June 1, 2023 • 44 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, The Athletic exposes how fractured the relationship really is between Aaron Rodgers and the Packers. Senior NFL Reporter for TheMMQB, Albert Breer talks about the league’s true feelings towards the kickoff change and Deshaun Watson wants to prove he’s still elite but the guys aren’t so sure he cracks the top 10.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
The Big News was a deep dive done by The
Athletic Matt Schneidman of The Athletic talking about Aaron Rodgers
and his departure from Green Bay, his deteriorating relationship with
Brian Gudakunz, the general manager. Rogers spoke with The Athletic
last week. There was a part of it was a
story that came out in which Rogers called the Green
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Bay Packers to see about getting Brian Goodacuns fired. When
asked about that, Rogers deferred to his agent, which tells
me that that's probably the case. That report was also
out there via Charles Robinson months ago, courtesy of Yahoo.
And so there's some other stuff in here where Rogers
is talking about, you know, his you know, like his
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being upset with the organization and drafting Jordan Love when
he felt like they could have used some other help elsewhere.
He also talked about the DeVante Adams move. They ended
up trading Davante Adams. The quote from Rogers in this
was they offered DeVante Adams less money than Christian Kirk,
which was eighteen million dollars a year. DeVante Adams was
offended by that, and so Rogers knew that although DeVante
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Adams and Rogers had a great relationship, that he probably
wasn't for long. Just the way the negotiations were going,
he was going to eventually be elsewhere, and so it
wasn't that much of a surprise. The other interesting tidbit
that came out of this was there was some discussions
about Rogers commitment last year. That was one of the
reports that came out that the Packers had some issues
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with it. And so when Rogers wasn't there for voluntary
OTAs when they had young wide receivers to work with,
that kind of bothered the Green Bay Packers, And so
Rogers pointed out in this article via the athletic quote,
when I'm in, I'm all in, and you want to
ride with off season workouts, I wont MVP without doing
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off season workouts? Was my commitment any less? Then I'd
say not at all. The way that I come back
to work, not just physically in good shape, but mentally refreshed,
is the best thing for me to have the season
I wanted to have during those in Green Bay. I
think that's just a cop out written to try and
find something to disparage me about that. Honestly, when you
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know what the off season workouts are really about, it's
completely ridiculous. There also was some discussion about him saying
that the Green Bay Packers complained about that, but yet
they commended him for his leadership during a difficult time
last year. So a lot of he said, he said
when it comes to Aaron Rodgers. What I find funny
about this whole thing is that this article, and it's
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a deep dive with quotes from Rogers, recent quotes nowhere
to be found on ESPN. Can't find it anywhere. And
it's funny because last I checked, Adam Schefu works for ESPN,
Diana Rassini works for ESPN, and I seem to recall
Aaron Rodgers, letting them know they're not a part of
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my inner circle. They don't know anything about me. Quote
Lose my Number was the viral video that went out
in the viral quote from Aaron Rodgers, and yet here
he is talking about everything that went down, a lot
of comments about the DeVante Adams situation, the trade why
it happened, miscommunication, accusations, and nowhere to be found on ESPN.
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You find that a little strange that ESPN wouldn't want
to report on any of this stuff either.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Well, clearly they don't want to find themselves in a
situation with the a rod you know, but listen, that
seems to be proper protocol for franchises. When things seem
to be going the wrong direction, you start to put
out little things like what Aaron Rodgers is talking about.
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That's always been how how franchises have done things, And
it's it's very it's very petty. It's it's to me,
it's it's very it's like juvenile.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
It's not, it's not, it really is.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
It's just it's like, if things are going wrong, then
say it, rather than try to do things where you're
you're passively aggressive and how you're addressing what's going on,
because in the end, everybody's going to sit there and
sift through it anyway regardless. So instead of being passive aggressive, like, oh,
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Aaron Rodgers commitment level, I don't know he's not here
for off season workouts. We just we're not happy about that.
We don't know if he's all the way in uh Okay.
So that's your feeble minded attempt to plant seeds not
only in the community and in the media so that
it's for public consumption, but also to the team, to
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the members of that that football team. And I don't know,
I have no idea why front office people do that chicanery.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
That's from a man Chad Knock, Chad Duke's Chad knocks.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Because it is it is not it is so easily
comprehendible that it's bs.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
It's pretty transparent.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
So then now that makes you, that paints a picture
of you, that makes Aaron Rodgers even more sympathetic to
the onlookers, to his teammates, to anyone who's paying attention.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
It's like, oh, Aaron's right. When you do stuff like that,
people are like, yep, he's right.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Like they're morons, they don't they don't get it, Like
the guy did just get an MVP and he did
things the same exact way, and now all of a
sudden you're saying that you're questioning his commitment, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
And when remember Brian gudu Kunz talked after the decision
was made they were going to move on, and his
point was well, listen, you know, we were hoping to
have conversations with Aaron himself, but unfortunately those didn't happen,
and there was all this and just I remember we
talked about it on the show and it was like, so,
let me get this straight. Greatest player in the history
of the franchise couldn't get a hold of him at all,
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Like there was there was no way to have a conversation.
And I'm not saying that Rogers isn't you know, didn't
make things difficult. Maybe he was feeling like I either
want to retire, I want to go play somewhere else
because I just I don't want to be around these
people any longer. But Rogers pointed out when they tried
to get together for this, you know, when he came
out of his darkness retreat, he heard the rumors about
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them potentially wanting to move on, and Rogers pointed out,
he said, quote, did Brian text me more than I
texted him? Yeah? But did I ghost him? No? I
texted him back. There was back and forth that we
had and so much of So this story you want
to go with, is me not responding back to you.
You're going to stand on this hill of austerity and
say that, arguably, in the conversation of the best player
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in your franchise history, you're going to say, I couldn't
get a hold of him, and that's why we had
to move on. He said, come on, just tell the truth.
You wanted to move on. You didn't like the fact
that we didn't communicate all the time. Listen, I talk
to people that I like end quote.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
So I yes.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
And and it just felt like there was no recovering
from what happened. Now, even if they had won a
super Bowl after they drafted Jordan Love and Rogers had
won the two MVPs, and they had won a super.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Bowl, and I would have had to have kept winning
a super Bowl or an MVP.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
They would have been gone, Yeah, he's gone. Yeah. So
it's just funny. How but I can almost guarantee you this,
If the packers a response to this report, I almost
can assure you it'll come from ESPN.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Yeah, I get where you're going. I can.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I can totally understand where you're going with that. And
with that being said, at this point, who gives a
damn Yeah? You know, I mean, really, you're going to
get an opportunity to move on from Aaron Rodgers and
take control back over your organization. You don't have You
don't have a power struggle anymore. Believe you, Me and
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I don't see that in the near near future changing.
So with that being said, Aaron Rodgers is on to
a different a different place, in a different situation as well.
He doesn't have to worry about being looked at the
way that he was being looked at in Green Bay.
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He doesn't have to worry and wonder about what his
speech is going to be when he steps to the
podium for his interviews his media days, to be able
to defend himself. Go figure like, can you imagine living
I know I've been through it. Can you imagine waking
up every day knowing that you have to put your
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thoughts together to combat multiple brains that are trying to
undermine you and devalue you. But it's not like it's
not about football anymore. You're really thinking about other things
that you have to contend with when you're in the
situation that Aaron Rodgers was in in Green Bay. So
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now he's in a comfortable environment for himself and an
environment where he feels probably very very appreciated, and so
both sides are where they seemingly want to be, and
both sides have an opportunity to show the sports world,
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the media world, what their capabilities are. And that's what
makes it very to me. That's what makes this entertaining,
not the relationship. It's a foregone conclusion that the relationship
was a fractured relationship.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
It's to your point when it comes to the distractions
and everything that he was dealing with. This is probably
going to be the most free he's played in years,
if you think about it, because he does strike me
as somebody when there's a lot going on in his head.
I mean, for Christ's sake, the guy had to go
live in a hobbit hole for four days to try
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and clear his mind. So when there's a lot of
stuff going on up there, maybe it's hard for him
to focus and keep track of everything and keep his
emotions in check. Still, he won a couple of MVPs,
and still he's pointing out, when I've got to battle
all of this stuff behind the scenes, it's hard for
me to play. That's why hasn't he seemed like just
a completely different person since he's gotten to the Jets.
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He's going to Taylor Swift concerts. He's out there talking
about how great the organization is, how it's already better
than where he was the communication rather than it was
in Green Bay. Like, it does feel like he's not
having to battle all of that stuff behind the scenes.
He could he might even play better than he did
those two MVP seasons, if that if that's even more
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or he might.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Not because historically we always saw him play his best
when he had a chip on his shoulder, and his
chip might be the fact that now he's wanted where
in a place where he should have been adored and
mired and revered, that he didn't feel that. So that
might be his boulder on his rock on the shoulder.
It's possible, but it seems as though that's the way
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he motivates himself. I think we'll find out if happy
makes him play better. If is he truly happy in
New York? Does that does that correlate to him playing
better football. I think it's all intriguing. I think it's
all entertaining. It's it's again, the NFL is the best
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reality TV show going in the history of reality TV,
because you have so many major stars, and you have
so many major storylines and things can go so many
different directions and so many timelines and time frames because
you just don't know what's happening next.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Don't you think the NFL? I mean, they've already shown
that they've got the ability to change things on the fly. They'll,
you know, reschedule a game, they'll you know, flex a
Thursday game like they've all And I know that there's
TV contracts and these schedules and and how these schedules
are put together are done well in advance. I think
the NFL should give themselves wiggle room on a couple
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of games each year with the NFL schedule team by team.
And I say that because wouldn't you love to see
Rogers against the Packers this year?
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Or you would?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I mean, if you're the NFL and you've got the
flexibility to do everything from change the kickoff rule, when
you have Roger Goodell convince owners behind the scenes to
move games around, to flex stuff out, if you could
play a Wednesday game during COVID, how the hell do
you not give yourself the ability to set up some
of these juicier matchups like Rogers against Green Bay Derek
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Carr taking on the Raiders, Like, I just feel like
there's opportunities here. If it's the best reality.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
G the Niners, I would love to see all those guys.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I mean, if we're talking reality shows, let's do this
thing all the way and let's build in.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Some of the massage tables, everything.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Everything we could possibly do, you know, like, just let's
let's figure out how we can make that happen. If
you're the NFL with you, that would be so much fun.
Deshaun Watson, by the way, I did look this up.
Deshaun Watson is a two and a half point favorite
against Massage Tables as we head into this uptime season.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I do so love that.
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Speaker 2 (14:15):
Right now, the direction we're headed is to Albert Breer,
senior NFL reporter at the MMQB. You can get him
on Twitter at Albert Breer, Albert, what's happening? Good morning, what's.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Up, guys, Good morning, Good morning, morning, sir.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
All right, So we got to know because you put
this out yesterday. And I think it's fascinating the pushback
that we've gotten on the NFL kickoff rule change. And
you've got Matthew Slater who went in on the league,
and it's hard to find anything to counter the points
he made about the issues that we have with the
change to the kickoff. Belichick made some comments Andy Reid,
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John Harbaugh, et cetera, et cetera. So how the hell
did we get to the point where the NFL changed
the kickoff rule in the last week?
Speaker 6 (14:58):
Oh, I mean, it's it's actually, like, really really interesting
if you want to go back and look at how
this all came down, because I can't really remember anything
being so unanimous among coaches and players as this has been.
You won't find much pushback. And you know, it goes
back to you know, the meetings in March, and you know,
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the big annual meeting, all the coaches and GM's are there,
and I think they could barely get a sixteen to
sixteen vote on this. Now you need twenty four votes
to change a rule, because it should be hard to
change a rule, right, And in the time since you know,
they decided a table edit that meeting and take it
to May because the commissioner really wanted to get it through.
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And in the time since the Special Teams coaches organized
and basically did a study, they all met at films
before the draft, which is crazy if you know how
you know busy that time is for football people. And
you know, I think about a dozen other Special teams
coaches went to NFL filmed in New Jersey. John Harbaugh
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went to and they met and they studied it, and
they put together a study and then they had a
call with all thirty two Special Teams coaches and it
was basically thirty two to nothing, but this rule is bad.
And then they enlisted a couple of veterans Special Teams
players and you know, have those names for you guys
over the weekend. But those two guys are as respected
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as anyone in the league. Those guys who organized a
group of thirty four players representing all thirty two teams,
and they all basically unanimously said this rule is bad.
And then they went to their head coach, went to
their general managers, went to their owners and said this
can't go through. And yet like they get to the
owners meeting last week in Minneapolis, and on Monday it's
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eighteen thirteen one, so not that different from what it
was at the meetings in Arizona in March. And then overnight,
all of a sudden, you know, Roger goes to work
and starts politicking and working owners and saying like that,
there's good, there's gonna be This could open them up
to legal liability and to more concussion litigation if they
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let this go. And all of a sudden, it's twenty
five to six to one or twenty six to five
to one and it passes, and uh, you know, Roger
was able to flip eight teams overnight. And you know,
I think that that's why the coaches and the players
are so irate. You know, this isn't one of those
things where it's like split down the middle, you know
what I mean. Like, it's it's like pretty unanimous, and
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you can hear it in the way coaches are talking
about it now, and I know a lot of these
guys feel really really strongly about it, and uh, and
they feel like it's going to make the play more
dangerous and LaVar you can probably talk to this better
than I can but you know what a lot of
the coaches and the players feel is that, like the
counteraction to this is going to be not more teams
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kicking it through the end zone and more and more
touchbacks necessarily, it's going to be knucklers, is going to
be line drive kicks, it's going to be squib kicks,
it's going to be directional kicks that they think they're
going to create more chaotic, unsettled football, which is more
dangerous football than you're getting a normal kickoff.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
But I mean, if we're being realistic here, isn't isn't
that what you want for your viewers. Isn't that what
they call entertainment?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
No?
Speaker 6 (18:17):
No, because they're like, what the league wants. The league
wants to take the kickoff out of the game. And
I think that that much is clear, and you know
what they what they what they think. So what they
found in their study was that because of the touchback
being moved out to the twenty five, more teams instead
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of kicking it into the end zone, we're popping it up.
And so like the counteraction to that rule change was
popping it up, which condensed the field and made for
more violent collisions, and you know, as a result of
that concussions. They felt like there was a reason why
the concussions went up from I think it was ten
and twenty twenty to fourteen and twenty twenty one to
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nineteen last year, and so they wanted to do something
to eliminate like the pop up kickoff. So the solution
there was, well, let's just make it so the guy
fielding the pop up kickoff and call for a fair catch,
and we moved the ball out to the twenty five.
It's really interesting, you know what I mean, like if
you think about it, because there are all kinds of
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you know, there are a lot of potential and intended
consequences to that as well. A coach brought this up
to me. I thought, this was really interesting. What happens now?
It's like, let's say you're down eight, right and you know,
you score, you score touchdown, and so you have to
go for two. What's preventing on what's preventing the defense
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from just saying go take the quarterbacks head off, you know,
and play through the whistle and just thrill them. What's
preventing the defensive coordinator from doing that? Because now if
there's a fifteen yard penalty. It becomes irrelevant on the
kickoff right now, if you kick him out from the fifty,
you're just gonna fair catch it and put it in
twenty five. So but there are like all kinds of
things here that I think that players coaches think could
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result from this that are bad, that make it so
any benefit there is from this is going to be
negated by some of the unintended consequences, and that this
is really going to create like a little bit of
a i say, negative effect when we get to the fall.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Get them on Twitter at Albert Breers, senior NFL reporter
at the MMQB, joining us here on Fox Sports Radio.
So you've got respected players, You've got coaches, both special teams,
you've got head coaches, everybody's in unison. They all agree
that this is a bad idea, and the owners agree,
and then Roger Goodell does some work behind the scenes
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in the middle of the night and convinces other owners
to flip, how the hell is this landing? When you
hear when you talk to these players and these coaches
who who did the research took the time to point
out why it's a bad idea, how's it landing to
them when the owners of these teams disregard everything that's
being said because they bought you know whatever Roger Goodell
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was selling in the middle of the night about player
safety and potential litigation and down the road.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Yeah, I think like the point Roger's making is, well,
we can't just sit there and do nothing right, and
like I think that the and and Roger basically his
point is if concussions have gone up the last two
years in a row, like you're opening yourself up to
legal liability if you don't do anything because it's something
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really bad happens on the kickoff now, like could somebody
come and see you because you did nothing? And like
the coaches are saying that's not the right reason to
change a rule. But you know, like to be fair,
the owners are the ones who are going to two
you know what I mean. Like, so like that's part
of it, you know. I just think that the coaches
and players feel like at some point, like football is
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a dangerous game. Yeah, at some point, like you know,
you have you have to do if you have to
you know, have to be great. You have to be
tough enough to to do things that like you know,
like like like you shouldn't just be doing things in
reaction to what could happen to you. You should be
doing things because you think it's for the good of
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the game. And like, I know, the coaches and players
feel like this is just a band aid and it's
inevitable that this is going to be changed again, And
I think, yeah, I mean there's absolutely some fear on
the case, on the on the on the on the
on the part of the special teams, coaches and players
that this is going to affect, you know, their their value,
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you know, in the league too, So that's definitely a
part of it as well.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Abe, I want to switch gears on you and and
talk about John Grutin being brought in UH in New
Orleans to to help out with the installation of of
their the offense there. Why has this become such a
big story. I mean, I'm kind of trying to understand
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it and figure it out. I mean, I get it,
I get what took place obviously, but at this point,
I mean, why is this, Like, just give me, give
me an idea why this has been made kind of
or almost being forced into a big story.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Well, two reasons. Number one, cause it's may or I
get the student from now right, and there's nothing else
going on in football. I was in the kickoff role.
And I think the other thing is just how he
left the league, you know, and how controversial that was.
And I mean, I think what people have to understand
and v are you were in the league for a
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long time. I mean, like in the spring, how often
did you guys have like college coaches come by and visit,
you know, or like there's like a lot of like
this information sharing that goes on this time of year,
you know, like we're former coaches or guys who are
out for a year will travel around and go to
like three or four teams OTAs and they'll study some
things and then they'll sit down at the end of
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the day and they'll trade ideas with the guys who
are coaching in those places. I mean, I'm sure you
saw it like over and over again right when you
were in the NFL, like that there will be visiting
coaches coming through. That's essentially what this is. And I know,
you know, Dennis Allen felt like there were there were
there were a couple of good reasons to do it.
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I mean, number one, the guy is I mean, you know,
John Gruden's you know, wealth of knowledge is going to
be beneficial for any coaching staff. So hey, can we
get a guy in here who like is going to
be able to kind of look at some things we're
doing and and and you know, like trade ideas with
us and that sort of thing. There's great value in that.
There's humility and being willing to do that too, you know.
And then you know number two is the direct experience
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he has with Derek Carr. And so knowing having coached
Derek Carr for three years or four four years, four years,
you know what makes the guy tick and what the
guy's good at and how to make the guy comfortable
and all that different stuff is valuable. And I can
tell you like the day after he left, you know,
Dennis Allen went into their offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael and
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basically said to him like, hey, look like we're still
going to be the Saints on offense. You know, like
what we've done here for a long time obviously worked,
especially when we have a veteran quarterback who's got a
good handle on what we're doing. But you know what
what I think Brutin's visit can do is it can
help them, and like and and and and trying to
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learn what best to emphasize and how to call it in,
what makes them comfortable, and how to get him going
because he's worked with the guy in games and worked
with the guy in games for four years, you know.
So I don't think it's like Gruden's coming in to,
you know, change what they're doing offensively, or you know,
like like reinvent the wheel for the Saints' offense. I think,
more than anything else, it's all right. We you know,
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we've got a great system here, but obviously for every player,
and especially quarterbacks, you're gonna tweak it a little bit.
And so having a resource with a guy who knows
what the guy is most comfortable with, what the quarterbacks
most comfortable is a great thing to have when you're
putting things together. In May and Jim.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Albert Breer, before we let you go, we got about
thirty seconds, but I got to ask you who's going
to be the starting quarterback for the Las Vegas Raiders
come Week one.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
I still think it's gonna be Jimmy Garoppolo. And I
think a lot of people don't understand what this waiver is.
This is actually relatively common with with the older players,
and you don't see them starting quarterbacks a lot for sure,
But like a lot of guys will have to sign
injury waivers to protect the team in situations where there
are injuries like this. Now, Jimmy Garoppol still has thirty
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three and a half million dollars guaranteed in this contract.
The only thing this changes is if he re injures
the left foot, then they can cut him right. So
it would have to specifically be that foot again, Like
if he separates his shoulder, or he blows out his knee,
or he breaks his ribs, like that doesn't change anything.
His contract is still guaranteed its specifically if he injures
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that foot, injury put again. So we're talking about like
this somehow displacing him as a starting quarterback of the Raiders.
It would have to be that specifically happening again. And
so you know, I think Jimmy, you'll be able to
get through it. From what I understand, he's coming along well,
everything's gone according to plan since since he had the surgery.
He's been in there every day and building a relationship
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with Davante Adams and obviously he knows Josh and a
lot of the staff already, and so I think everything's
on track now. The only thing this changes is like
they felt uncomfortable enough with the foot where they protected themselves,
where if he injures the foot again, their options are open.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Get him on Twitter at Albert Breers, Senior NFL reporter
at the mmqb AB. We appreciate it as always. We'll
do it again next week.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Thanks Rober, Thanks guys, have a good one.
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HBO's Ballers.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
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Speaker 4 (28:13):
Well we talk about mental health.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
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Speaker 2 (28:24):
Your buddy Massage Watson was speaking recently to de Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
And lotion, that's that's oil, But go ahead, depends on
how far I do it.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
We are I guess you're right, But your buddy Deshaun
slash Massage Watson was talking with the media recently about
just sort of the perception of him. His offensive coordinator
spoke recently about where he's at. Alex Van Pelt is
the OC in Cleveland and talked about just the difference
between Deshaun Watson this year as opposed to last year.
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Said that he's improved enfold over last year, and so
there has been some speculation about what is this new
version of Deshaun Watson that gets ready for year two
in Cleveland. Well, he spoke recently about sort of the
perception that has come along with his quality of play.
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
I'm very motivated.
Speaker 8 (29:18):
I'm very excited to be able to have those opportunities
to go out there and improve what I what I
have before and even better. And that's the goal is
to be better than what you know people last saw me.
And yeah, I mean honestly, you know, people are entitled
to their owner Beans. But at the same time, you
got to you gotta respect everythings.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
You know, I missed two years of football, so if.
Speaker 8 (29:36):
I was in their shoes, I wouldn't put myself in
that position either.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
I got to go out there improve it. And that's
what I'm looking for too.
Speaker 8 (29:41):
So those opportunities for me this upcoming season, I have
to take advantage of it.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
So three years ago, Deshaun Watson, you couldn't find three
quarterbacks you would take ahead of him in the NFL
to start a franchise. And now you start looking around
the league, I don't know if he's the top ten guy.
And it just goes to show you how much things
have changed, not only maybe on the field, but also
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off the field. And I think this contract is going
to age so poorly in Cleveland. Like the longer this
goes on and the more that he continues to fall
down the list, the worse this contract is going to
look in the effort of the Cleveland Browns and Deshauw Watson.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Well, you know who it won't look bad for. Who's
that David Muligetto.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
That's true, that is true.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
You know who else? Who's that Massage Watson?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
That is true, got us two thirty.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
He said, yeah, man, So regardless of what anyone thinks,
he's got a fully guaranteed contract. And and you got
to say, one of the biggest concerns, and one of
the biggest fears that that NFL ownership and decision makers
would have is opening up their you know, their purse strings,
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loosening them, you know, divvying out these types of contracts
knowing that this is a production sport, it's a production.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Profession. And so when you take away.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Any real motivation, I don't know how many guys are
going to be as motivated once they get a deal
so massive and it's fully guaranteed. I mean, we're seeing
it in basketball, like people want to call it load management,
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whatever you want to call it. But you see the
way players are in terms of mentality in the league,
and those who separate themselves are the ones who work
their asses off even though they got those types of contracts.
And you see that it is very pronounced. It is
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very pronounced. The ones that put in the time, they
put in the work even though they got max contracts.
So to me, when I look at the Massage Watson situation,
it could play out in a favorable way for Cleveland
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if he comes out and he can regain form and
play at a very high level and have success in
the AFC North and be a contender in the AFC.
But I think that it's such a long shot for
Cleveland to be that team. I think it's such a
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long shot for Deshaun Watson to be that player. I
don't want to sound like I'm a massage Massage Watson hater,
but I'm just saying, realistically speaking, he had a limited
season last year and that season was well, it was forgettable. Yeah,
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he didn't play the year before and he didn't play
the year before that.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
The year before that, that was the four win team
with the Houston Texans.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Okay, four wins. Yeah, I just you know, I can't
say I wish him well. I will say that even
though I'm not a hater, I can't say, well, I
wish him well because I just don't know that I
have a positive feeling about who he is as a person.
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And maybe I'm wrong for that because when you're watching football,
when you're watching sports, maybe you're not looking at the
sport and the player for their character. You're looking at
the player for the way they play, so but just
knowing what I know and the things that have have,
you know, kind of kind of found their way out
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there into the public consumption area. I'm not a fan.
I'm not a fan of them, So it's kind of
one of those things where you'll be watching. I'll be
watching just like everyone else to see if he can
live up to the contract. But I think it's just
going to be very difficult. Whether you like them or
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whether you don't, whether you're a Cleveland fan or you're not,
you're going to pay attention and you're going to want
to see how it plays out, because ultimately, if it
does play out, it does bote well for future quarterbacks
who want to go after that fully guarantee contract. Even
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though I don't see how that could happen, just based
off of the given all the parameters and the stipulations
and everything that has to take place for a fully
guaranteed contract to happen, I think that that will be
the one reason why it's of significance outside of it
being Massage Watson, is that can he perform well enough
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where it takes contract negotiations possibly in a different direction.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You know what you mentioned the guaranteed contract and how
the tendency for a lot of people. And look, I
may fall into this as well too, if you told
me I had two hundred and thirty million dollars guaranteed
coming to me, no matter what, no matter how I played.
First of all, I'm set for life. The people around
me are set for life. The people that they give
birth to are set for life. Like like, I could
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understand why there would be a tendency to pull off
the gas. I think it's natural. But when you bring
up that point, it's part of the reason why there's
a lot of people complain about UFC fighter pay because
there's no guaranteed deals outside of what those guys get,
you know, when they get to the fight, and then
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they've got a win bonus. So if a guy you know,
takes part in a fight, he only gets the other
half of his paycheck when he wins the fight. And
you look at that, and there's a lot of people
who aren't happy about that. Obviously, there's exceptions. You got
your McGregor's, you got your Israel Adissanya's, you've got your
Marquis John Jones, fighters who get all those contracts. But
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to the defense of the UFC, and fighters have admitted
this and gotten some blowback because they're not supporting other fighters.
You do see guys fight a little bit harder when
they know I'm not getting the second half of that
check unless I win, and I'm not getting a bonus
check unless I look really good in my performance via
either a knockout or a submission or a performance of
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the night. So there really is something too. If you
leave a little bit out there, a carrot to grab,
so to speak, you are going to see maybe a
better performance. And I don't know if Deshaun Watson maybe
has taking his foot off the gas because he realizes
I don't have another caret to grab. It's all here.
I've got everything I could possibly want. But I just
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look at it. And if you go around the NFL,
all list off a number of quarterbacks and you tell
me which one of these quarterbacks you would take ahead
of Deshaun Watson, Which is why I say this contract
looks so bad on behalf of the Cleveland Browns. Like,
if you just go around the NFL right now, are
you taking Deshaun Watson over Josh Allen? No, what about
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Deshaun Watson over Aaron Rodgers. No, Deshaun Watson over Lamar Jackson. No,
Deshaun Watson over Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
No, And that's that's then AFC North right there.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah, Deshaun Watson over Picket. Yes, well, yeah, of course
I think at that point in.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Time, well, don't load the deck check. I mean, throw
them out there if you want to throw them out there.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Deshaun Watson over Trevor Lawrence. No, okay, what about Deshaun
Watson over Russell Wilson Because I'm not.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
That's a tough one.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
I'm gonna go with Russell Wilson because at least Russ
gets villainized for being a good dude.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, I mean yeah, and which is better than the opposite.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Which is better than the alternative?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Okay? Obviously Patrick Mahomes justin Herbert not taking them correct.
And then you get to a guy like Jalen Hurts Nope, Yeah,
And then you go around what about Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Mmm, probably the same as Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, you'd lean towards Kirk Cousins, but it's it's at
least close. And then you've got your Dak Prescott's you know.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Now that's a good one. Who taking Deshaun?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Take Dak Prescott.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Yeah, I'm gonna take Dak.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah. So like you just you go around the NFL
and then you know, you get over how many we
just listed a dozen quarterbacks? We didn't get to a
Matt Stafford. We didn't get to And this is all
as of right now. Man If Bryce Young plays well,
if CJ. Stroud plays well, if Anthony Richardson plays well,
if Will Levis performs well for the Titans, if Justin
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Fields goes to another level in Chicago, which a lot
of people.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
Think he needs to go to another Leson, I would hope.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
So, yeah, they won't win three games this upcoming year.
But like we just rattled off potentially fifteen sixteen other
quarterbacks that you'd start your franchise with before you'd start
your franchise with Deshaun Watson. And that guy got two
hundred and thirty million dollars guaranteed. But by definition is
that the deal is awful? Yeah, you're right, it is
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off me.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
You're right. But here's the thing, we don't know what
Deshaun Watson is anymore.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Well, we do off the field, Well, he's relaxed off
the field. Yeah, really very relaxed.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
I mean, he clearly comes across relaxed.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
And his inner I mean, so it must have done it.
It must have worked.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Does he have any knots or tightness anywhere anymore? Has
that all been gone? Like once you get like two
thousand massages, that all disappears, correct.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
I mean you'd assume his throwing motion, his all kinds
of you know, his his his run fakes, and everything
is just going to be very very loose and fluid,
you know, like you know, you just just be real, yeah, supple.
But I just don't know that we know what Deshaun
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Watson is at the moment. And that's what's most I
guess intriguing about the whole.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Deal in Cleveland. What is he? Yeah? And then what
is Cleveland?
Speaker 3 (40:49):
You know, because Cleveland, Cleveland has has to be something
as well. It's not games take a team, it takes
a it takes a collective effort to win games. It's
very difficult to win games and be successful in the NFL.
So this is just as much about Stefanski and the
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rest of those coaches as it is about Massage Watson.
So I think I think that we don't really know
what he is right now, he could very well return
back to form. But here's here's my biggest question. My
biggest question is you said there wasn't three quarterbacks that
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you would take over Deshaun before you know, everything took place.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
But I would debate that, you know, I would debate that.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
I would debate that there were more quarterbacks than that
that I would start a franchise with outside other than
Deshaun Watson, because there were question marks on his health.
There there was, you know, the idea that sure he
was having success and play playing fairly well and in
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the league he was cooking while the team was really
like not even doing really well at times. But I mean,
I never looked at him as a league MVP. If
he was not one you take over some of these
other guys, then why wasn't he getting league MVP or consideration.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
I think that was the the ability was there, and
people looked at him and said, the next step in
his development, this is an ascending quarterback. This is somebody
who you know, again, to start a franchise, you would
look at a guy like Mahomes at the time. But
it just it shows you how fast things change in
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the NFL because in three years, I mean, he's been
laughed multiple times over. I mean, I don't think he
was a finished product. I don't think he was an
MVP guy. He was never Lamar Jackson like whatever anybody
wants to say, was never Lamar and he's never seen
Joe Burt.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
So doesn't that lead to the bigger question being how
did they value him to get to that contract to
begin with? Hey, let alone for him to prove out
that he's good enough for the contract, how did he
get to that contract to begin with amen?
Speaker 4 (43:14):
That would be the bigger question for me.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Don't you think we should also maybe credit Baker Mayfield
Because when Baker Mayfield went public and said I'm not
coming back. We need to go our separate ways, the
Browns were like, uh oh, we better do something here,
and Deshaun Watson was saying, well, listen, I'll just sign
with the Atlanta Falcons. I mean, they already gave m
a jersey like he slipped up and he had it
on his social media afterwards that he already had a
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jersey printed out from Atlanta. And then Cleveland got desperate
and said, we don't have another option at quarterback here
here's two hundred and thirty fully guaranteed, and we'll figure
it out afterwards. And if you missed the first eleven
games of your first year, don't worry about it. We'll
push the majority of that money's towards the year two
and year three of the deal. It just the whole
thing is bizarre, Like there should really be a doc
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entry done on how we got to this point where
he got paid.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
That's to me, that's the more relevant question, because you
can't judge him based off of something he's not capable
of accomplishing to begin with. If you thought he was
going to be a world beater to win a Super Bowl,
what gave you that? What gave you that inclination that
that's what it was going to be? And why was
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that the dollar amount that was connected to him in
the first place. Yeah, that to me is the bigger
that's the bigger question.
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The Big News was a deep dive done by The
Athletic Matt Schneidman of The Athletic talking about Aaron Rodgers
and his departure from Green Bay, his deteriorating relationship with
Brian Gudakunz, the general manager. Rogers spoke with The Athletic
last week. There was a part of it was a
story that came out in which Rogers called the Green
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Bay Packers to see about getting Brian Goodacuns fired. When
asked about that, Rogers deferred to his agent, which tells
me that that's probably the case. That report was also
out there via Charles Robinson months ago, courtesy of Yahoo.
And so there's some other stuff in here where Rogers
is talking about, you know, his you know, like his
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being upset with the organization and drafting Jordan Love when
he felt like they could have used some other help elsewhere.
He also talked about the DeVante Adams move. They ended
up trading Davante Adams. The quote from Rogers in this
was they offered DeVante Adams less money than Christian Kirk,
which was eighteen million dollars a year. DeVante Adams was
offended by that, and so Rogers knew that although DeVante
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Adams and Rogers had a great relationship, that he probably
wasn't for long. Just the way the negotiations were going,
he was going to eventually be elsewhere, and so it
wasn't that much of a surprise. The other interesting tidbit
that came out of this was there was some discussions
about Rogers commitment last year. That was one of the
reports that came out that the Packers had some issues
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with it. And so when Rogers wasn't there for voluntary
OTAs when they had young wide receivers to work with,
that kind of bothered the Green Bay Packers, And so
Rogers pointed out in this article via the athletic quote,
when I'm in, I'm all in, and you want to
ride with off season workouts, I wont MVP without doing
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off season workouts? Was my commitment any less? Then I'd
say not at all. The way that I come back
to work, not just physically in good shape, but mentally refreshed,
is the best thing for me to have the season
I wanted to have during those in Green Bay. I
think that's just a cop out written to try and
find something to disparage me about that. Honestly, when you
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know what the off season workouts are really about, it's
completely ridiculous. There also was some discussion about him saying
that the Green Bay Packers complained about that, but yet
they commended him for his leadership during a difficult time
last year. So a lot of he said, he said
when it comes to Aaron Rodgers. What I find funny
about this whole thing is that this article, and it's
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a deep dive with quotes from Rogers, recent quotes nowhere
to be found on ESPN. Can't find it anywhere. And
it's funny because last I checked, Adam Schefu works for ESPN,
Diana Rassini works for ESPN, and I seem to recall
Aaron Rodgers, letting them know they're not a part of
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my inner circle. They don't know anything about me. Quote
Lose my Number was the viral video that went out
in the viral quote from Aaron Rodgers, and yet here
he is talking about everything that went down, a lot
of comments about the DeVante Adams situation, the trade why
it happened, miscommunication, accusations, and nowhere to be found on ESPN.
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You find that a little strange that ESPN wouldn't want
to report on any of this stuff either.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Well, clearly they don't want to find themselves in a
situation with the a rod you know, but listen, that
seems to be proper protocol for franchises. When things seem
to be going the wrong direction, you start to put
out little things like what Aaron Rodgers is talking about.
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That's always been how how franchises have done things, And
it's it's very it's very petty. It's it's to me,
it's it's very it's like juvenile.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
It's not, it's not, it really is.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
It's just it's like, if things are going wrong, then
say it, rather than try to do things where you're
you're passively aggressive and how you're addressing what's going on,
because in the end, everybody's going to sit there and
sift through it anyway regardless. So instead of being passive aggressive, like, oh,
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Aaron Rodgers commitment level, I don't know he's not here
for off season workouts. We just we're not happy about that.
We don't know if he's all the way in uh Okay.
So that's your feeble minded attempt to plant seeds not
only in the community and in the media so that
it's for public consumption, but also to the team, to
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the members of that that football team. And I don't know,
I have no idea why front office people do that chicanery.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
That's from a man Chad Knock, Chad Duke's Chad knocks.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Because it is it is not it is so easily
comprehendible that it's bs.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
It's pretty transparent.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
So then now that makes you, that paints a picture
of you, that makes Aaron Rodgers even more sympathetic to
the onlookers, to his teammates, to anyone who's paying attention.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
It's like, oh, Aaron's right. When you do stuff like that,
people are like, yep, he's right.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Like they're morons, they don't they don't get it, Like
the guy did just get an MVP and he did
things the same exact way, and now all of a
sudden you're saying that you're questioning his commitment, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
And when remember Brian gudu Kunz talked after the decision
was made they were going to move on, and his
point was well, listen, you know, we were hoping to
have conversations with Aaron himself, but unfortunately those didn't happen,
and there was all this and just I remember we
talked about it on the show and it was like, so,
let me get this straight. Greatest player in the history
of the franchise couldn't get a hold of him at all,
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Like there was there was no way to have a conversation.
And I'm not saying that Rogers isn't you know, didn't
make things difficult. Maybe he was feeling like I either
want to retire, I want to go play somewhere else
because I just I don't want to be around these
people any longer. But Rogers pointed out when they tried
to get together for this, you know, when he came
out of his darkness retreat, he heard the rumors about
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them potentially wanting to move on, and Rogers pointed out,
he said, quote, did Brian text me more than I
texted him? Yeah? But did I ghost him? No? I
texted him back. There was back and forth that we
had and so much of So this story you want
to go with, is me not responding back to you.
You're going to stand on this hill of austerity and
say that, arguably, in the conversation of the best player
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in your franchise history, you're going to say, I couldn't
get a hold of him, and that's why we had
to move on. He said, come on, just tell the truth.
You wanted to move on. You didn't like the fact
that we didn't communicate all the time. Listen, I talk
to people that I like end quote.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
So I yes.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
And and it just felt like there was no recovering
from what happened. Now, even if they had won a
super Bowl after they drafted Jordan Love and Rogers had
won the two MVPs, and they had won a super.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Bowl, and I would have had to have kept winning
a super Bowl or an MVP.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
They would have been gone, Yeah, he's gone. Yeah. So
it's just funny. How but I can almost guarantee you this,
If the packers a response to this report, I almost
can assure you it'll come from ESPN.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Yeah, I get where you're going. I can.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I can totally understand where you're going with that. And
with that being said, at this point, who gives a
damn Yeah? You know, I mean, really, you're going to
get an opportunity to move on from Aaron Rodgers and
take control back over your organization. You don't have You
don't have a power struggle anymore. Believe you, Me and
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I don't see that in the near near future changing.
So with that being said, Aaron Rodgers is on to
a different a different place, in a different situation as well.
He doesn't have to worry about being looked at the
way that he was being looked at in Green Bay.
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He doesn't have to worry and wonder about what his
speech is going to be when he steps to the
podium for his interviews his media days, to be able
to defend himself. Go figure like, can you imagine living
I know I've been through it. Can you imagine waking
up every day knowing that you have to put your
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thoughts together to combat multiple brains that are trying to
undermine you and devalue you. But it's not like it's
not about football anymore. You're really thinking about other things
that you have to contend with when you're in the
situation that Aaron Rodgers was in in Green Bay. So
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now he's in a comfortable environment for himself and an
environment where he feels probably very very appreciated, and so
both sides are where they seemingly want to be, and
both sides have an opportunity to show the sports world,
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the media world, what their capabilities are. And that's what
makes it very to me. That's what makes this entertaining,
not the relationship. It's a foregone conclusion that the relationship
was a fractured relationship.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
It's to your point when it comes to the distractions
and everything that he was dealing with. This is probably
going to be the most free he's played in years,
if you think about it, because he does strike me
as somebody when there's a lot going on in his head.
I mean, for Christ's sake, the guy had to go
live in a hobbit hole for four days to try
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and clear his mind. So when there's a lot of
stuff going on up there, maybe it's hard for him
to focus and keep track of everything and keep his
emotions in check. Still, he won a couple of MVPs,
and still he's pointing out, when I've got to battle
all of this stuff behind the scenes, it's hard for
me to play. That's why hasn't he seemed like just
a completely different person since he's gotten to the Jets.
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He's going to Taylor Swift concerts. He's out there talking
about how great the organization is, how it's already better
than where he was the communication rather than it was
in Green Bay. Like, it does feel like he's not
having to battle all of that stuff behind the scenes.
He could he might even play better than he did
those two MVP seasons, if that if that's even more
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or he might.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Not because historically we always saw him play his best
when he had a chip on his shoulder, and his
chip might be the fact that now he's wanted where
in a place where he should have been adored and
mired and revered, that he didn't feel that. So that
might be his boulder on his rock on the shoulder.
It's possible, but it seems as though that's the way
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he motivates himself. I think we'll find out if happy
makes him play better. If is he truly happy in
New York? Does that does that correlate to him playing
better football. I think it's all intriguing. I think it's
all entertaining. It's it's again, the NFL is the best
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reality TV show going in the history of reality TV,
because you have so many major stars, and you have
so many major storylines and things can go so many
different directions and so many timelines and time frames because
you just don't know what's happening next.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Don't you think the NFL? I mean, they've already shown
that they've got the ability to change things on the fly. They'll,
you know, reschedule a game, they'll you know, flex a
Thursday game like they've all And I know that there's
TV contracts and these schedules and and how these schedules
are put together are done well in advance. I think
the NFL should give themselves wiggle room on a couple
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of games each year with the NFL schedule team by team.
And I say that because wouldn't you love to see
Rogers against the Packers this year?
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Or you would?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I mean, if you're the NFL and you've got the
flexibility to do everything from change the kickoff rule, when
you have Roger Goodell convince owners behind the scenes to
move games around, to flex stuff out, if you could
play a Wednesday game during COVID, how the hell do
you not give yourself the ability to set up some
of these juicier matchups like Rogers against Green Bay Derek
(13:23):
Carr taking on the Raiders, Like, I just feel like
there's opportunities here. If it's the best reality.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
G the Niners, I would love to see all those guys.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I mean, if we're talking reality shows, let's do this
thing all the way and let's build in.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Some of the massage tables, everything.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Everything we could possibly do, you know, like, just let's
let's figure out how we can make that happen. If
you're the NFL with you, that would be so much fun.
Deshaun Watson, by the way, I did look this up.
Deshaun Watson is a two and a half point favorite
against Massage Tables as we head into this uptime season.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I do so love that.
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Speaker 2 (14:15):
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senior NFL reporter at the MMQB. You can get him
on Twitter at Albert Breer, Albert, what's happening? Good morning, what's.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Up, guys, Good morning, Good morning, morning, sir.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
All right, So we got to know because you put
this out yesterday. And I think it's fascinating the pushback
that we've gotten on the NFL kickoff rule change. And
you've got Matthew Slater who went in on the league,
and it's hard to find anything to counter the points
he made about the issues that we have with the
change to the kickoff. Belichick made some comments Andy Reid,
(14:50):
John Harbaugh, et cetera, et cetera. So how the hell
did we get to the point where the NFL changed
the kickoff rule in the last week?
Speaker 6 (14:58):
Oh, I mean, it's it's actually, like, really really interesting
if you want to go back and look at how
this all came down, because I can't really remember anything
being so unanimous among coaches and players as this has been.
You won't find much pushback. And you know, it goes
back to you know, the meetings in March, and you know,
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the big annual meeting, all the coaches and GM's are there,
and I think they could barely get a sixteen to
sixteen vote on this. Now you need twenty four votes
to change a rule, because it should be hard to
change a rule, right, And in the time since you know,
they decided a table edit that meeting and take it
to May because the commissioner really wanted to get it through.
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And in the time since the Special Teams coaches organized
and basically did a study, they all met at films
before the draft, which is crazy if you know how
you know busy that time is for football people. And
you know, I think about a dozen other Special teams
coaches went to NFL filmed in New Jersey. John Harbaugh
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went to and they met and they studied it, and
they put together a study and then they had a
call with all thirty two Special Teams coaches and it
was basically thirty two to nothing, but this rule is bad.
And then they enlisted a couple of veterans Special Teams
players and you know, have those names for you guys
over the weekend. But those two guys are as respected
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as anyone in the league. Those guys who organized a
group of thirty four players representing all thirty two teams,
and they all basically unanimously said this rule is bad.
And then they went to their head coach, went to
their general managers, went to their owners and said this
can't go through. And yet like they get to the
owners meeting last week in Minneapolis, and on Monday it's
(16:46):
eighteen thirteen one, so not that different from what it
was at the meetings in Arizona in March. And then overnight,
all of a sudden, you know, Roger goes to work
and starts politicking and working owners and saying like that,
there's good, there's gonna be This could open them up
to legal liability and to more concussion litigation if they
(17:07):
let this go. And all of a sudden, it's twenty
five to six to one or twenty six to five
to one and it passes, and uh, you know, Roger
was able to flip eight teams overnight. And you know,
I think that that's why the coaches and the players
are so irate. You know, this isn't one of those
things where it's like split down the middle, you know
what I mean. Like, it's it's like pretty unanimous, and
(17:31):
you can hear it in the way coaches are talking
about it now, and I know a lot of these
guys feel really really strongly about it, and uh, and
they feel like it's going to make the play more
dangerous and LaVar you can probably talk to this better
than I can but you know what a lot of
the coaches and the players feel is that, like the
counteraction to this is going to be not more teams
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kicking it through the end zone and more and more
touchbacks necessarily, it's going to be knucklers, is going to
be line drive kicks, it's going to be squib kicks,
it's going to be directional kicks that they think they're
going to create more chaotic, unsettled football, which is more
dangerous football than you're getting a normal kickoff.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
But I mean, if we're being realistic here, isn't isn't
that what you want for your viewers. Isn't that what
they call entertainment?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
No?
Speaker 6 (18:17):
No, because they're like, what the league wants. The league
wants to take the kickoff out of the game. And
I think that that much is clear, and you know
what they what they what they think. So what they
found in their study was that because of the touchback
being moved out to the twenty five, more teams instead
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of kicking it into the end zone, we're popping it up.
And so like the counteraction to that rule change was
popping it up, which condensed the field and made for
more violent collisions, and you know, as a result of
that concussions. They felt like there was a reason why
the concussions went up from I think it was ten
and twenty twenty to fourteen and twenty twenty one to
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nineteen last year, and so they wanted to do something
to eliminate like the pop up kickoff. So the solution
there was, well, let's just make it so the guy
fielding the pop up kickoff and call for a fair catch,
and we moved the ball out to the twenty five.
It's really interesting, you know what I mean, like if
you think about it, because there are all kinds of
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you know, there are a lot of potential and intended
consequences to that as well. A coach brought this up
to me. I thought, this was really interesting. What happens now?
It's like, let's say you're down eight, right and you know,
you score, you score touchdown, and so you have to
go for two. What's preventing on what's preventing the defense
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from just saying go take the quarterbacks head off, you know,
and play through the whistle and just thrill them. What's
preventing the defensive coordinator from doing that? Because now if
there's a fifteen yard penalty. It becomes irrelevant on the
kickoff right now, if you kick him out from the fifty,
you're just gonna fair catch it and put it in
twenty five. So but there are like all kinds of
things here that I think that players coaches think could
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result from this that are bad, that make it so
any benefit there is from this is going to be
negated by some of the unintended consequences, and that this
is really going to create like a little bit of
a i say, negative effect when we get to the fall.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Get them on Twitter at Albert Breers, senior NFL reporter
at the MMQB, joining us here on Fox Sports Radio.
So you've got respected players, You've got coaches, both special teams,
you've got head coaches, everybody's in unison. They all agree
that this is a bad idea, and the owners agree,
and then Roger Goodell does some work behind the scenes
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in the middle of the night and convinces other owners
to flip, how the hell is this landing? When you
hear when you talk to these players and these coaches
who who did the research took the time to point
out why it's a bad idea, how's it landing to
them when the owners of these teams disregard everything that's
being said because they bought you know whatever Roger Goodell
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was selling in the middle of the night about player
safety and potential litigation and down the road.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Yeah, I think like the point Roger's making is, well,
we can't just sit there and do nothing right, and
like I think that the and and Roger basically his
point is if concussions have gone up the last two
years in a row, like you're opening yourself up to
legal liability if you don't do anything because it's something
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really bad happens on the kickoff now, like could somebody
come and see you because you did nothing? And like
the coaches are saying that's not the right reason to
change a rule. But you know, like to be fair,
the owners are the ones who are going to two
you know what I mean. Like, so like that's part
of it, you know. I just think that the coaches
and players feel like at some point, like football is
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a dangerous game. Yeah, at some point, like you know,
you have you have to do if you have to
you know, have to be great. You have to be
tough enough to to do things that like you know,
like like like you shouldn't just be doing things in
reaction to what could happen to you. You should be
doing things because you think it's for the good of
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the game. And like, I know, the coaches and players
feel like this is just a band aid and it's
inevitable that this is going to be changed again, And
I think, yeah, I mean there's absolutely some fear on
the case, on the on the on the on the
on the part of the special teams, coaches and players
that this is going to affect, you know, their their value,
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you know, in the league too, So that's definitely a
part of it as well.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Abe, I want to switch gears on you and and
talk about John Grutin being brought in UH in New
Orleans to to help out with the installation of of
their the offense there. Why has this become such a
big story. I mean, I'm kind of trying to understand
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it and figure it out. I mean, I get it,
I get what took place obviously, but at this point,
I mean, why is this, Like, just give me, give
me an idea why this has been made kind of
or almost being forced into a big story.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Well, two reasons. Number one, cause it's may or I
get the student from now right, and there's nothing else
going on in football. I was in the kickoff role.
And I think the other thing is just how he
left the league, you know, and how controversial that was.
And I mean, I think what people have to understand
and v are you were in the league for a
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long time. I mean, like in the spring, how often
did you guys have like college coaches come by and visit,
you know, or like there's like a lot of like
this information sharing that goes on this time of year,
you know, like we're former coaches or guys who are
out for a year will travel around and go to
like three or four teams OTAs and they'll study some
things and then they'll sit down at the end of
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the day and they'll trade ideas with the guys who
are coaching in those places. I mean, I'm sure you
saw it like over and over again right when you
were in the NFL, like that there will be visiting
coaches coming through. That's essentially what this is. And I know,
you know, Dennis Allen felt like there were there were
there were a couple of good reasons to do it.
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I mean, number one, the guy is I mean, you know,
John Gruden's you know, wealth of knowledge is going to
be beneficial for any coaching staff. So hey, can we
get a guy in here who like is going to
be able to kind of look at some things we're
doing and and and you know, like trade ideas with
us and that sort of thing. There's great value in that.
There's humility and being willing to do that too, you know.
And then you know number two is the direct experience
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he has with Derek Carr. And so knowing having coached
Derek Carr for three years or four four years, four years,
you know what makes the guy tick and what the
guy's good at and how to make the guy comfortable
and all that different stuff is valuable. And I can
tell you like the day after he left, you know,
Dennis Allen went into their offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael and
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basically said to him like, hey, look like we're still
going to be the Saints on offense. You know, like
what we've done here for a long time obviously worked,
especially when we have a veteran quarterback who's got a
good handle on what we're doing. But you know what
what I think Brutin's visit can do is it can
help them, and like and and and and trying to
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learn what best to emphasize and how to call it in,
what makes them comfortable, and how to get him going
because he's worked with the guy in games and worked
with the guy in games for four years, you know.
So I don't think it's like Gruden's coming in to,
you know, change what they're doing offensively, or you know,
like like reinvent the wheel for the Saints' offense. I think,
more than anything else, it's all right. We you know,
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we've got a great system here, but obviously for every player,
and especially quarterbacks, you're gonna tweak it a little bit.
And so having a resource with a guy who knows
what the guy is most comfortable with, what the quarterbacks
most comfortable is a great thing to have when you're
putting things together. In May and Jim.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Albert Breer, before we let you go, we got about
thirty seconds, but I got to ask you who's going
to be the starting quarterback for the Las Vegas Raiders
come Week one.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
I still think it's gonna be Jimmy Garoppolo. And I
think a lot of people don't understand what this waiver is.
This is actually relatively common with with the older players,
and you don't see them starting quarterbacks a lot for sure,
But like a lot of guys will have to sign
injury waivers to protect the team in situations where there
are injuries like this. Now, Jimmy Garoppol still has thirty
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three and a half million dollars guaranteed in this contract.
The only thing this changes is if he re injures
the left foot, then they can cut him right. So
it would have to specifically be that foot again, Like
if he separates his shoulder, or he blows out his knee,
or he breaks his ribs, like that doesn't change anything.
His contract is still guaranteed its specifically if he injures
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that foot, injury put again. So we're talking about like
this somehow displacing him as a starting quarterback of the Raiders.
It would have to be that specifically happening again. And
so you know, I think Jimmy, you'll be able to
get through it. From what I understand, he's coming along well,
everything's gone according to plan since since he had the surgery.
He's been in there every day and building a relationship
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with Davante Adams and obviously he knows Josh and a
lot of the staff already, and so I think everything's
on track now. The only thing this changes is like
they felt uncomfortable enough with the foot where they protected themselves,
where if he injures the foot again, their options are open.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Get him on Twitter at Albert Breers, Senior NFL reporter
at the mmqb AB. We appreciate it as always. We'll
do it again next week.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Thanks Rober, Thanks guys, have a good one.
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Speaker 2 (28:24):
Your buddy Massage Watson was speaking recently to de Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
And lotion, that's that's oil, But go ahead, depends on
how far I do it.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
We are I guess you're right, But your buddy Deshaun
slash Massage Watson was talking with the media recently about
just sort of the perception of him. His offensive coordinator
spoke recently about where he's at. Alex Van Pelt is
the OC in Cleveland and talked about just the difference
between Deshaun Watson this year as opposed to last year.
(28:58):
Said that he's improved enfold over last year, and so
there has been some speculation about what is this new
version of Deshaun Watson that gets ready for year two
in Cleveland. Well, he spoke recently about sort of the
perception that has come along with his quality of play.
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
I'm very motivated.
Speaker 8 (29:18):
I'm very excited to be able to have those opportunities
to go out there and improve what I what I
have before and even better. And that's the goal is
to be better than what you know people last saw me.
And yeah, I mean honestly, you know, people are entitled
to their owner Beans. But at the same time, you
got to you gotta respect everythings.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
You know, I missed two years of football, so if.
Speaker 8 (29:36):
I was in their shoes, I wouldn't put myself in
that position either.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
I got to go out there improve it. And that's
what I'm looking for too.
Speaker 8 (29:41):
So those opportunities for me this upcoming season, I have
to take advantage of it.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
So three years ago, Deshaun Watson, you couldn't find three
quarterbacks you would take ahead of him in the NFL
to start a franchise. And now you start looking around
the league, I don't know if he's the top ten guy.
And it just goes to show you how much things
have changed, not only maybe on the field, but also
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off the field. And I think this contract is going
to age so poorly in Cleveland. Like the longer this
goes on and the more that he continues to fall
down the list, the worse this contract is going to
look in the effort of the Cleveland Browns and Deshauw Watson.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Well, you know who it won't look bad for. Who's
that David Muligetto.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
That's true, that is true.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
You know who else? Who's that Massage Watson?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
That is true, got us two thirty.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
He said, yeah, man, So regardless of what anyone thinks,
he's got a fully guaranteed contract. And and you got
to say, one of the biggest concerns, and one of
the biggest fears that that NFL ownership and decision makers
would have is opening up their you know, their purse strings,
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loosening them, you know, divvying out these types of contracts
knowing that this is a production sport, it's a production.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Profession. And so when you take away.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Any real motivation, I don't know how many guys are
going to be as motivated once they get a deal
so massive and it's fully guaranteed. I mean, we're seeing
it in basketball, like people want to call it load management,
(31:39):
whatever you want to call it. But you see the
way players are in terms of mentality in the league,
and those who separate themselves are the ones who work
their asses off even though they got those types of contracts.
And you see that it is very pronounced. It is
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very pronounced. The ones that put in the time, they
put in the work even though they got max contracts.
So to me, when I look at the Massage Watson situation,
it could play out in a favorable way for Cleveland
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if he comes out and he can regain form and
play at a very high level and have success in
the AFC North and be a contender in the AFC.
But I think that it's such a long shot for
Cleveland to be that team. I think it's such a
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long shot for Deshaun Watson to be that player. I
don't want to sound like I'm a massage Massage Watson hater,
but I'm just saying, realistically speaking, he had a limited
season last year and that season was well, it was forgettable. Yeah,
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he didn't play the year before and he didn't play
the year before that.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
The year before that, that was the four win team
with the Houston Texans.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Okay, four wins. Yeah, I just you know, I can't
say I wish him well. I will say that even
though I'm not a hater, I can't say, well, I
wish him well because I just don't know that I
have a positive feeling about who he is as a person.
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And maybe I'm wrong for that because when you're watching football,
when you're watching sports, maybe you're not looking at the
sport and the player for their character. You're looking at
the player for the way they play, so but just
knowing what I know and the things that have have,
you know, kind of kind of found their way out
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there into the public consumption area. I'm not a fan.
I'm not a fan of them, So it's kind of
one of those things where you'll be watching. I'll be
watching just like everyone else to see if he can
live up to the contract. But I think it's just
going to be very difficult. Whether you like them or
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whether you don't, whether you're a Cleveland fan or you're not,
you're going to pay attention and you're going to want
to see how it plays out, because ultimately, if it
does play out, it does bote well for future quarterbacks
who want to go after that fully guarantee contract. Even
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though I don't see how that could happen, just based
off of the given all the parameters and the stipulations
and everything that has to take place for a fully
guaranteed contract to happen, I think that that will be
the one reason why it's of significance outside of it
being Massage Watson, is that can he perform well enough
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where it takes contract negotiations possibly in a different direction.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You know what you mentioned the guaranteed contract and how
the tendency for a lot of people. And look, I
may fall into this as well too, if you told
me I had two hundred and thirty million dollars guaranteed
coming to me, no matter what, no matter how I played.
First of all, I'm set for life. The people around
me are set for life. The people that they give
birth to are set for life. Like like, I could
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understand why there would be a tendency to pull off
the gas. I think it's natural. But when you bring
up that point, it's part of the reason why there's
a lot of people complain about UFC fighter pay because
there's no guaranteed deals outside of what those guys get,
you know, when they get to the fight, and then
(35:58):
they've got a win bonus. So if a guy you know,
takes part in a fight, he only gets the other
half of his paycheck when he wins the fight. And
you look at that, and there's a lot of people
who aren't happy about that. Obviously, there's exceptions. You got
your McGregor's, you got your Israel Adissanya's, you've got your
Marquis John Jones, fighters who get all those contracts. But
(36:18):
to the defense of the UFC, and fighters have admitted
this and gotten some blowback because they're not supporting other fighters.
You do see guys fight a little bit harder when
they know I'm not getting the second half of that
check unless I win, and I'm not getting a bonus
check unless I look really good in my performance via
either a knockout or a submission or a performance of
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the night. So there really is something too. If you
leave a little bit out there, a carrot to grab,
so to speak, you are going to see maybe a
better performance. And I don't know if Deshaun Watson maybe
has taking his foot off the gas because he realizes
I don't have another caret to grab. It's all here.
I've got everything I could possibly want. But I just
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look at it. And if you go around the NFL,
all list off a number of quarterbacks and you tell
me which one of these quarterbacks you would take ahead
of Deshaun Watson, Which is why I say this contract
looks so bad on behalf of the Cleveland Browns. Like,
if you just go around the NFL right now, are
you taking Deshaun Watson over Josh Allen? No, what about
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Deshaun Watson over Aaron Rodgers. No, Deshaun Watson over Lamar Jackson. No,
Deshaun Watson over Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
No, And that's that's then AFC North right there.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah, Deshaun Watson over Picket. Yes, well, yeah, of course
I think at that point in.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Time, well, don't load the deck check. I mean, throw
them out there if you want to throw them out there.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Deshaun Watson over Trevor Lawrence. No, okay, what about Deshaun
Watson over Russell Wilson Because I'm not.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
That's a tough one.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
I'm gonna go with Russell Wilson because at least Russ
gets villainized for being a good dude.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, I mean yeah, and which is better than the opposite.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Which is better than the alternative?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Okay? Obviously Patrick Mahomes justin Herbert not taking them correct.
And then you get to a guy like Jalen Hurts Nope, Yeah,
And then you go around what about Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Mmm, probably the same as Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, you'd lean towards Kirk Cousins, but it's it's at
least close. And then you've got your Dak Prescott's you know.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Now that's a good one. Who taking Deshaun?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Take Dak Prescott.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Yeah, I'm gonna take Dak.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah. So like you just you go around the NFL
and then you know, you get over how many we
just listed a dozen quarterbacks? We didn't get to a
Matt Stafford. We didn't get to And this is all
as of right now. Man If Bryce Young plays well,
if CJ. Stroud plays well, if Anthony Richardson plays well,
if Will Levis performs well for the Titans, if Justin
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Fields goes to another level in Chicago, which a lot
of people.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
Think he needs to go to another Leson, I would hope.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
So, yeah, they won't win three games this upcoming year.
But like we just rattled off potentially fifteen sixteen other
quarterbacks that you'd start your franchise with before you'd start
your franchise with Deshaun Watson. And that guy got two
hundred and thirty million dollars guaranteed. But by definition is
that the deal is awful? Yeah, you're right, it is
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off me.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
You're right. But here's the thing, we don't know what
Deshaun Watson is anymore.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Well, we do off the field, Well, he's relaxed off
the field. Yeah, really very relaxed.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
I mean, he clearly comes across relaxed.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
And his inner I mean, so it must have done it.
It must have worked.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Does he have any knots or tightness anywhere anymore? Has
that all been gone? Like once you get like two
thousand massages, that all disappears, correct.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
I mean you'd assume his throwing motion, his all kinds
of you know, his his his run fakes, and everything
is just going to be very very loose and fluid,
you know, like you know, you just just be real, yeah, supple.
But I just don't know that we know what Deshaun
(40:33):
Watson is at the moment. And that's what's most I
guess intriguing about the whole.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Deal in Cleveland. What is he? Yeah? And then what
is Cleveland?
Speaker 3 (40:49):
You know, because Cleveland, Cleveland has has to be something
as well. It's not games take a team, it takes
a it takes a collective effort to win games. It's
very difficult to win games and be successful in the NFL.
So this is just as much about Stefanski and the
(41:11):
rest of those coaches as it is about Massage Watson.
So I think I think that we don't really know
what he is right now, he could very well return
back to form. But here's here's my biggest question. My
biggest question is you said there wasn't three quarterbacks that
(41:33):
you would take over Deshaun before you know, everything took place.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
But I would debate that, you know, I would debate that.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
I would debate that there were more quarterbacks than that
that I would start a franchise with outside other than
Deshaun Watson, because there were question marks on his health.
There there was, you know, the idea that sure he
was having success and play playing fairly well and in
(42:03):
the league he was cooking while the team was really
like not even doing really well at times. But I mean,
I never looked at him as a league MVP. If
he was not one you take over some of these
other guys, then why wasn't he getting league MVP or consideration.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
I think that was the the ability was there, and
people looked at him and said, the next step in
his development, this is an ascending quarterback. This is somebody
who you know, again, to start a franchise, you would
look at a guy like Mahomes at the time. But
it just it shows you how fast things change in
(42:43):
the NFL because in three years, I mean, he's been
laughed multiple times over. I mean, I don't think he
was a finished product. I don't think he was an
MVP guy. He was never Lamar Jackson like whatever anybody
wants to say, was never Lamar and he's never seen
Joe Burt.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
So doesn't that lead to the bigger question being how
did they value him to get to that contract to
begin with? Hey, let alone for him to prove out
that he's good enough for the contract, how did he
get to that contract to begin with amen?
Speaker 4 (43:14):
That would be the bigger question for me.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Don't you think we should also maybe credit Baker Mayfield
Because when Baker Mayfield went public and said I'm not
coming back. We need to go our separate ways, the
Browns were like, uh oh, we better do something here,
and Deshaun Watson was saying, well, listen, I'll just sign
with the Atlanta Falcons. I mean, they already gave m
a jersey like he slipped up and he had it
on his social media afterwards that he already had a
(43:38):
jersey printed out from Atlanta. And then Cleveland got desperate
and said, we don't have another option at quarterback here
here's two hundred and thirty fully guaranteed, and we'll figure
it out afterwards. And if you missed the first eleven
games of your first year, don't worry about it. We'll
push the majority of that money's towards the year two
and year three of the deal. It just the whole
thing is bizarre, Like there should really be a doc
(44:00):
entry done on how we got to this point where
he got paid.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
That's to me, that's the more relevant question, because you
can't judge him based off of something he's not capable
of accomplishing to begin with. If you thought he was
going to be a world beater to win a Super Bowl,
what gave you that? What gave you that inclination that
that's what it was going to be? And why was
(44:24):
that the dollar amount that was connected to him in
the first place. Yeah, that to me is the bigger
that's the bigger question.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
It's crazy.
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