June 7, 2023 • 52 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, PGA Tour commissioner Jay Monahan is exposed as a hypocrite after merging with LIV Golf. Lions HC Dan Campbell takes shots at the Rams, saying Jared Goff has gotten better since leaving LA for Detroit. And the weekly visit from Petros Papadakis to talk about the merger.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Rings, Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on Foorts Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Hey, how you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Listen, We're just hanging out here, just kind of laughing, grinning, okay,
smirking a little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You know, it's always nice when you find out somebody's
full of crap for your very eyes and ears.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, let's get to it, man, I mean, it's just
let's get When I saw it, I was like, this
is a joke, Like this was it was so beyond
my realm of comprehension after hearing all of the backlash
and and everything that was taking place with the golfers
who did it, and Charles Barkley wanting to announce it, like,
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let's get to it.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah, it's I thought the same thing.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I thought there was a parody account attached to it,
because you can never be too sure because sometimes these
stories come out and you've got to reference it and
see whether or not it's a site ball sack Sports
who likes to throw out some headlines and.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Is that real?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Yeah, that's real. It's a real thing. It's called ball
sack Sports.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
And they'll and what they'll do is they'll attribute quotes
that aren't true to people and they just run with
it and they catch people all the time.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I think they've they've gotten Steven A.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Smith, I think they've gotten Shannon Sharp because they're really
well done and well executed. It's like the old the
the Onion that's out there. The Onion's got some great headlines.
Then I assumed that this was one of those headlines,
and then nope, it started flying and the story started
to come out that the PGA and the Live Golf
Tour are now merging and the funding will be on
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behalf of the Saudis who were the same group and
the same people behind the Live Tour that the PGA tour,
and all of those blowhards who stood on their soapbox
condemned all of those players like Brooks Koepka and Phil
Mickelson for joining because it was blood money and all
the other things that came along with it. And then
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they saw their opportunity and without letting anybody know, and
apparently none of the players knew either on the Live
tour the PGA tour, they all found out via social
media and Twitter. J mo Onahan, the PGA Tour Commissioner
announced that this would be happening. The merger is here,
but he also recognized that there's some hypocrisy in all
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of this, and so in talking with ESPN he addressed
that as well too.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
I recognize that people are going to call me a hypocrite.
And anytime I've said anything, I said it with the
information I had at that moment, and I said it
based on someone that's trying to compete for the PGA
Tour and our players, and so I accept those criticisms.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I hope, So of course you do. I hope, of
course you do. I mean, come on, it's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
He sounds like a moron, Like, I mean, come on,
Like I said it with the information I had at
time at the time. The information hasn't changed. It hasn't changed.
The only thing that's changed is now y'all don't have
any type of legal issues pending, which who knows how
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much that was going to cost, you know, the sites.
Now you have to explain why the patriot uh, the
patriotism of what the PGA Tour represents is now been
pushed to the side because everybody was talking about terrorists,
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terrorists terrorists. You can't do it. It's not American terrorists, terrorists, terrorists, terrorists.
These are the same people that have sent terrorists to
our land. They knocked down our buildings, they've they've terrorized
our people. Terrorists, terrorists, terrorists, terrorists. Charles Barkley, you'll lose
everything nobody wants you if you do this. This is ridiculous.
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Why are you thinking that's terrorists, terrorists, terrans And now
all of a sudden you're saying saying it's not that like,
it's good, We're good, We're gonna partner up right, Come on, man,
that this has got to be one of the most
insanely acidine moves and sports that I've ever heard of.
It's just based off of the level of I mean,
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I remember distinctly how disgusted people were, the golfers that
were coming out. I even think Tiger came out and
had something to say about it. Everybody had something to
say about it and was weighing in on it and
chiming in on it. And you know what, they wanted
to shame any and everyone who had any shred or
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ounce of support for the Live Tour. And now we're
here with new information, Jonas, could you please give me
that new information? Please? Can you give me the new information?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Oh, there is none.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
The new information is Jamon hann and the PGA tour realized.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Damn, that's a lot of money that would really go
a long way.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
And and he can talk about it's better for the
game of golf and whatnot, and listen them two being
together and and Brooks Kepka and all those guys being
able to participate in the tournaments together and all that stuff.
That's all good and well, But the fact of the
matter is the hypocrisy is so egregious that I think
a lot of people are gonna have a hard time
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wrapping their arms around this for a significant amount of time.
And I know the news cycle is a fast one
and things turn and burn, but you can't look at
some of the people that shot their mouths off and
not think to yourself, to your point, what has changed?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
And if you're.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Tiger Woods, if you're Rory McRoy, if you're some of
these guys that condemned these golfers for joining and talked about,
you know, all the money that you're taking and the
blood money bro they offer tiger Woods like seven eight
hundred million dollars. Is he going to get that money back?
Is Tiger Wood's going to be able to get that
seven eight hundred million dollars back? Whatever them was that he.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Turned down, and not unless they gonna purchase him a
new leg. It's just new body parts.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
It's just like, the whole thing is amazing to watch
in real time and just to see the way it
was handled and nobody knew about it, and you've got
all like Jay Monahan talks said that he had a
meeting with a bunch of the PGA Tour players and
he described it as he did and the word hypocrite
was thrown around, and all, well, yeah, of course, because.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Because you got everybody looking like everybody who went along
with it, you got them looking like morons and hypocrites
right along with one.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Hundred percent and all of the And the difference between
those guys and the guys that did join the live
tour is they got like a you know, like an
extra one hundred million dollars in their pocket, and we
all ended up in the same spot. It's the whole
thing is awful. And I saw some report that was
out there that you know, these players will be fine
when they joined the tour, my ass like, like, if
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you don't think that that Phil Mickelson and some of
these guys, there's a reason why they were taking victory
laps on Twitter yesterday. There's a reason why because they
had to wear it from so many people who stood
on the soapbox at the PGA tour and were blow
hardening up for what two years now, Like we would
talk about this with Brady because he was all into
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just the business.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Of it all.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
And I remember we all in Unison were like, man,
there's a lot of name calling, a lot of stuff
going on there, like it just it felt like those
guys were going so hard in the paint with patriotism
and where the money's coming from and let's trace it
back and all that, and all those live guys had
to wear it and they took their money and their
names were drugging the dirt the entire time. And two
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years later we're in the exact same spot, except they
got the money and these guys don't like.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
It's the thing.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
It's it's amazing to watch, Like I just and again
I thought it was a parody. Account I didn't think
it was real. And then the more it came out,
people that cover golf were looking around, going, wait a second,
this is actually happening.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I couldn't believe it when I got I got the
message soon is the news dropped up? I was like, man,
I sent the message back like, bruh, it's not April.
It's like, is this April fools? Like you sound like
this is the dumbest, Like why are you sending me
this random like the PGA tour the merges with Live
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Like that's so dumb. I put. I looked at it
and clicked out of the message, like the person sending
it to me is bored. You got too much time
on your hands. That's how I looked at it. I
couldn't comprehend it.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
It's wild, man.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I couldn't comprehend it.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
So you remember, like one of the things that I
was thinking about yesterday when I saw it. You remember
when Nick Saban came out and was critical of Jimbo
Fisher and Niel and all the other things. When we
were talking about like because we hadn't heard a coach
go after another coach like that, Like we hadn't heard
anybody air another coach out for their recruiting tactics or
whatever the case may be. And Jimbo Fisher responded and
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along the lines of I know stuff about him. I
could say stuff about like he was really thrown off
by Nick Saban coming after him and his time going
so hard in the paint at Jimbo Fisher for the
way he was recruiting. And part of the reason was
is if you look deep enough into anybody, whether it's
college or whatnot, you can find dirt on anybody. Like
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if you really wanted to find dirt on a program,
you could do it. And you've never heard like when
USC's got all of their issues, you never hear a
UCLA coach come out after USC. You normally don't hear that,
but you did with Saban, which is what was so
surprising about it, because there's almost this I don't know
if this is there what do they call it?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Thieves?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
You know, like no honor amongst Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
No honor amongst thieves kind of thing to where you know,
we're all kind of cutting corners here and there. Let's
not air each other out, because then it opens up
a can of worms for everybody involved. Like this is
exactly bactly why none of these people should have shot
their mouth off when given the opportunity, when these guys
took this money, because if this much money was involved,
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the idea that the PGA Tour would just stand back
away from all of that and continue to condemn it
this entire time was laughable. And you like, never if
pot calling a kettle black, if you've got, you know,
dirt on somebody, but you've got some skeletons in your closet,
don't call it out in real time on the spot
and try and air anybody out. And reminded me of
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that because you normally don't see this stuff in college football.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
You normally don't.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Hear other recruiters air out other recruiters because everybody's got
a little bit of something that you could point to
and say, oh what about this. And the fact that
all these guys stood on the soapbox like j Monahan,
the PGA Tour commissioner, and wore these players out for
joining the live tour, And here we are lesson learn
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don't call anybody out when you know you're going to
end up if they go the direction that this was
going to head in the entire time, if you're going
to end up in the same spot.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Now you just look like clowns. They look stupid.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Everybody on that side of it looks dumb, and they
look like they were all full of crap, especially Jay
Monahan who recognized the amount of money that was involved
and then jumped at the cash when he got an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
To and got out of paying cash. Yeah, because they
were going to have to continue to shut out cash
on the antitrust lawsuits that were pending or were going
against one another that they filed against one another. And
I just get this strange feeling their money isn't as
long as that public fund that's funding lived. I just
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don't I don't see it. I don't see it. Maybe
I'm off, but I just don't see it.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
So they've got so much money, Like there is so
much money that they can work with. It's like they're
in another stratosphere. Like I was talking to Ben Mahller
about this before the show. So the WWE puts on
live events in Saudi Arabia at least a couple of
times a year, and initially when they were doing it,
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it was all about, well, I mean, this is a
bad look and it's blood money, and it's this like
all of the same stuff, and then you start to
realize how much money they're bringing in from a business standpoint,
coming off a pandemic where everybody's still trying to find
their footing in certain areas. Man Like, we could trace
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back a lot of stuff, like if you want to,
like some of the sponsors on the PGA Tour at
the time, if you wanted to go far enough back,
you could probably find some dirt on a lot of
money that was in the PGA tour as well too.
And the fact that those players in Jay Monahan were
calling out these guys when they were making a business
decision for them and we're having to defend themselves from
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PGA tour writers and people in the media, and that
they were being condemned the entire time.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
It was bad.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
It was bad.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
They were ostracized, Like they were looked at as bad
for the game and bad for humanity and bad for America.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
That's what they were looked at.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
There was the group nine eleven Families. Yeah United, Yes, United.
They they're terribly offended, terribly offended. You like, if you
are a Patriot and you live in that you basically
the PGA Tour basically has condemned themselves to anyone that
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is truly, truly, deeply rooted in that belief, like, you've
alienated yourselves as the tour PGA tour, You've alienated the
rest of the people who play in the tour because
of the hypocrisy that you have exercised on such a
flagrant level. It's like, how do you And I'm curious
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is the outcry from the nine to eleven communities and
the people who have been impacted directly by by this this,
you know, the whole deal of it. I wonder how
large of a voice, because we see when the voice
is loud, things change. We're seeing it, you know, with
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what's going on, like what we saw what happened with
the Dodgers and different things like that connected to that
community in particular. They have gotten us such a strong
voice that when that voice comes together, things change. We
saw it happen with Black lives Matter, Things change. I
wonder is the voice the voices of the patriots who
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feel the way that they feel about you know, Saudi
Arabia and the money or the Saudi money. I just
wonder is that voice so strong? Is it strong enough
to come together to condemn this so much that something changes,
because I think the backlash of this is going to
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be significant amongst them, But how significant is it in
a true public form and a public voice. Will it
create pressure for the PGA tour to have to reconsider
what it is that they did based upon how badly
it's being received here in America.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
And the fact that they didn't let anybody know that
it was happening. I think I ought to tell you
how they felt internally about it, that oh man, this
isn't going to land.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Well.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
It's like it's like waiting, waiting till your parents just
wake up to ask them if you can go somewhere
because you know they're groggy and not really thinking straight.
It's almost like they wanted to wait till everybody wasn't
looking or maybe not thinking straight, and then all of
a sudden they just dropped a bombshell in the morning
and said, all right, here we go, and everyone's like, wait,
what do you mean? Is this a joke or is
this not a It's the whole idea behind it, from
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start to finish is laughable. And and I'm with you,
I'm curious to see how bad the backlash get and
if you're one of those family members who stood up
there and condemned these golfers for joining and where the
money comes from, and they're exposing themselves and they're showing
themselves to be who they really are, and I mean
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all of the stuff. And then you still are down
a family member who you lost to nine to eleven.
You sat up there and had to make a statement
and defend your family and what happened and talk about
the PGA Tour doing it the right way and the
Live Tour not doing it the right way.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
How are they feeling right now?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Because you had to stir up all those memories and
all those feelings. And then at the end of the day,
the person who was kind of angling to get everybody
to go in that direction ended up going in the
same direction as the arch rival or the villain in
this whole thing ended up going to for the money.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
You know, It's even more interesting and further in the
article that I'm reading, Donald Trump was hosting live tours,
live golf events on his courses and basically got on
on his his true social and said that a merger
and he said this last year, a merger between Live
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and PGA Tour was inevitable people. I mean, I'm not
We're not gonna turn this. I mean, this is a
political conversation, honestly, it really is.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
It is.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
But when you start to see people who are saying
things that are actually accurate and then them things are
happening a year later, I mean, you know, it's it
creates interesting perspectives, It creates new parallels, and I just
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think it's this one, This is an interesting one. Where
Where's Joe Biden? Where's Joe Biden in this? Like, if
we're being real here, where where are the government of
officials that are protecting democracy and protecting you know, what's
what's considered to be American Where where are these people? Where?
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Where is that? Because to me, if this is as
bad as they tried to make it when it happened,
if it's as bad as it was when this happened,
and as as many people that tried to make this happen,
how do you allow the PGA to do a merger
and do business this way without there being any type
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of discussions, any type of whole ho ho hold on,
Like you guys can't do that, You're not going to
do that? Where? Where? Where are where are these politicians
because this seems to go outside. This clearly goes far
beyond the parameters of just sports. This isn't just a
sports topic. This is a political topic, which to me,
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I'm curious with everything that's going on with you know,
campaigns and stuff like that, I'm wonder are they going
to are people going to just kind of brush over
this or are politicians going to have something to say
about it? Yeah, because there I'm definitely certain that more
than just the nine to eleven people, are the nine
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eleven community are offended by this?
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, there's a lot of people who are doing the
I told you sos that many people in mainstream media
don't want to hear from. And unfortunately they were all right,
and Trump.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Was one of them.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Phil Mickelson was one, Greg Norman was another. All like,
there's just it's just such a bad look, bad look.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
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Speaker 4 (20:00):
Do you wobout the fact that it's still raining out here?
What a pain in the ass, man, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Look, we're not trying to complain about the weather. For
many people listening across the country, you feel no sympathy
for us in southern California. But we've gotten inundated with
rain this year.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Oh no, I'm complaining. I'm not paying taxes. I'm complaining
because they tell me you're paying for the weather. Your
taxes that you pay here on the West Coast is
for the weather. Yeah, sunshine tax So please bring the
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sunshine back. And and by the way, you know what
all this rain has done, Jonas, what's that? I have
had some of the worst bug bites that you like.
The rain has created super insects, you know, because they
don't have rain out here, they don't have water, you
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know what I mean. Like these insects have tried to
adapt to you know, they just rusty, dusty, crusty out here.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
Man.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
You know what they're drinking now, your blood? Your blood,
flying vampires.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Tired of it.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
And it's not even we're not even at the heavy
part of mosquito season. I've still I've still I've got
scars on my ankles from last year.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Like you thought, I step on a bear trap.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I've got scars from mosquitos that disintegrated my legs last year,
and there's not a lot of meat on those legs
and they found every ounce of it and they got
after it. So yeah, it's it's not going to be
not going to go for bone mar you know, yes too.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
It's a high end stuff, you know it is.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
So let's get into uh, what is a fun little
topic and a fun little piece of business here that's
being done in the NFL, and that is the little revenge.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
I don't know if this is there.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
They're looking at it as revenge because it's not like
the Lions have actually clinched a playoff spot or won
anything significant. I mean the Rams definitely have. They won
a super Bowl, but the Jared Goff Matt Stafford trade
a couple of years later. As it stands right now,
I feel like Jared Goff's a better quarterback than Matt Stafford.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
We super Bowl goes to the Rams, and I mean
that's just always going to be the leveling piece of
all of this, is that it's just that it goes
back to them winning the super Bowl, you know, with
Matthew Stafford coming there for one year.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
And Dan Campbell, the head coach of the Detroit Lions.
He talked about the development of one Jared Goff. Let's
take a listen to DC.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
I mean, he's a better quarterback than he was there
in my opinion, because he can do more things. He's
mentally on it. I mean, we've come light years ahead
of where he was two years ago when we walked
down and just start teaching him protections and really dove
into that. And he's got a real good grasp of
what we're doing, where the issues are, where the problems are.
And that's something that we really wanted him to get
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good at, and he wanted to get good at and
he's worked at it and he's improved.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So that helps you.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Now all credit to Jared Goff, who, Look, that's a
tough spot for a guy. When you're supposed to be
the face of the franchise, you get to a Super Bowl,
you come up short, you're playing the Patriots, and then
just the way things ended there, he was kind of
looked at as the scapegoat. He wasn't all that healthy.
They could have started him in a playoff game at Seattle,
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they decided not to start him. Then their backup, John
Wofford goes in, gets hurt, Jared Goff comes in early.
They win that game on the road. Then they're really
competitive at Green Bay the following week, in which Aaron
Donald got hurt.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Goff with the.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Broken hand and bum hand wasn't nearly one hundred percent,
but they were in that football game for a majority
of that game. And then you get to the offseason
and you're the scapegoat and you're the missing piece at
that position, and they go out and they trade for
Matt Stafford and they send Jared GoF to Detroit. A
bad situation, and then your ex ends up winning a
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Super Bowl while you're sitting in Detroit with all of
your teammates, all of the relationships you built. And he
never complained about it. He never there was no outbursts,
there was no he didn't take shots at anybody. He
just kept his head down, kept working. And now we
are two years later, and I totally agree with Dan Campbell.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
I think he's a better quarterback.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
And I think it's a testament to Jared Goff for
how he handled the situation, because that couldn't have been ideal.
If when you left Washington, if the very next year
they won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Damn that would hurt that. That feels like that would
bother you a little bit.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
It wouldn't have hurt because I knew it wouldn't have happened. Okay,
first of all. Second, second of all, as it applies
to to like Jared Goff, like they didn't they make
it to the Super Bowl with Jared all right, So
it's not as though Jared Goff isn't sitting there looking
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at the scenario, like our team was good enough to
make it to the super Bowl with me. So the
fact that we didn't win it, I mean that doesn't
you know. A lot of people said the reason why
they didn't win in San Francisco when they went to
the Super Bowl was because of their quarterback. And everybody's
going to have their varying differing opinions of what something is,
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what substantiated the claim. And in La Is they brought
in Matthew Stafford and they they were able to win it.
It is what it is. If I'm Jared Goff, I'm
not even living in the past of what I was
when I was in in Los Angeles. I'm living in
the fact that I was drafted to be a franchise quarterback.
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He was not brought in as you know, like he's
he's not a scrub, you know what I mean? Like
so Jared Jared Goff comes from you know, being I
want to say, what was he drafted? I don't want
to what was it?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
He was number one overall overall? Yeah, and Carson Wentz
was too.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah. So there, I mean, come on, like like know
that that you don't by accident get to that pick
in the draft. Now, for whatever his work, Carson Wentz
has falling off the face of the planet in the
way that he went over Niagara falls with his career.
But as it as it applies to Jared Goff, I
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think he's done heck, extremely well. He's made it further
than then a lot of players have made it in
the in the pro level and has.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Escually when you consider he was he was inactive his
first week. You remember his first few games of Jeff
Fisher like they thought he was a bust. Like there
was bus talk with Jared Goff. So to your point,
he's at he's at a a pretty good career all
things considered.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
All things considered, and now he goes nine and eight
last year with the Lions. The Lions are looking to
be a team that possibly wins the division this year
and could possibly be competitive making it to the making
a playoff run. I don't know how much I believe
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in that. I know that's what a lot of people
out there are saying and predicting. But what I will
say is is the one thing that's most important in
this scenario is that it seems as though you have
a coach that believes in you. And to me, that's
the singular biggest element that you want to have in
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play is that, well, the coach believes in you. If
he feels like he's better here because we give him
the ability to do more, then that's awesome. And you
live with that, and you ride with that, and you
go with that, and you make that work. That's awesome,
and that gives him a fear opportunity to achieve a
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certain level of success. You know, if they don't achieve
that that certain level of success as a team, does
that fall on Jared Goff? I think it falls on everyone.
It falls on the coaching staff, it falls on the quarterback,
it falls on everybody else that's on the team. But
for the most part, I look at Jared Goff and
I say, he's you know, he's been a good quarterback
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for the Detroit lines. And focus in on that, you know,
focus in on that, because if I'm trying to focus
in on substantiating it between LA and Detroit. For one,
Detroit was not a team that was built to win
the same way that the Los Angeles Rams were. But
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then you watch the Rams fall off a cliff. You
got one good year out of Matthew Stafford, one good year.
Now what happens after? What happens now? I don't know
if Jared Goff continues to trend upward and Matthew Stafford disappears.
If you want to use the Super Bowl to substantiate,
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then you go right ahead. But the bottom line is
what do they feel in Detroit about Jared Goff? That's
really all that matters at this point.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, and Dan Campbell, I think loves him.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
And look, you were you actually did his Jared Goff's
first year at Detroit. You did the Lions Browns game
that November, and the Lions were winless going into that game,
and they were also winless coming out of that game.
And it's it's funny because Goff didn't play. It was
Tim Boyle who was the starting quarterback because Goff had
an oblique injury. But if I would have told you
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leaving the booth of the game, you called hey. By
the way, in less than two years, the Lions are
going to be favorite to win their division. Would you
believe me?
Speaker 4 (29:59):
No, it's a prettyund.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
But that's addition by subtraction. Also, I mean, Minnesota claimed
it this year. And Minnesota just doesn't want to be
a playoff team. They just don't want to be a
good playoff team. What do you mean, they just don't
want to be a good playoffs We rather not do
that rather than.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
That, I'm not going I'm not going to uh, but.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I mean Aaron Rodgers. Let's be clear, this is the
Aaron Rodgers fact. Now that Aaron Rodgers is not in
the NFC North. I mean, you look at it and
you say, okay, Ken the Beers catch up, maybe they
can probably not all right, where where without I gotta
be honest, without dalving cook and your defense not cooking
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like it has been for years, where are you at
in Minnesota? So Minnesota could be dealing with the idea
of maybe they might not be as explosive on offense
as they have been. Maybe they will, I don't know,
but I would I would say odds for me, if
i'm if I'm betting on it, odds for me is
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to go with Minnesota until they prove otherwise, and then
I would look at Detroit and see what happens. There
just too many question marks surrounding the Beers, too many
question marks surrounding the Packers right now to put them
up at the top. But this is almost by default.
I don't think that this is my dominance of Detroit.
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It's just about default.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
See, I think we were going to get to this
point anyway, as Aaron Rodgers or not. Detroit swept him
last year, Like they won that final game when everything
was on the table for Rogers.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
You had cold weather, all the.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
The playoffs, right, they could have made the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Yeah, and it was it was win and get in
and the Lions ended up going on the road and
winning that game. I just I love what Dan Campbell's done.
I love what the Lions have done and the fact
that they brought in all those players and there's this
there's just a different vibe to them. Then there isn't
in a lot of places. You look around the NFL
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just to see all the you know, Chris Spielman, all
of these respected guys trying to repair relationships with Barry
Sanders and Calvin Johnson and all that. I just I
think what they've done is is outstanding and it's good
to see for just the city of Detroit and for
Lions fans where they're headed. And the fact that you know,
Sean McVay was asked about it and he's got to,
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you know, sort of dance around the topic because he
heard the quotes from Dan Campbell, because Dan Campbell said
he's a better quarterback now here than he was there,
which if you're supposed to be this offensive guru, I
don't know how that lands with you if you're Sean McVay.
But you know, he talked about, oh yeah, he's playing
at a high level. That's probably a fair assessment. And
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you can tell he was trying to be, you know,
just as professional as possible when it came to addressing
all that. But if you're if you're Sean McVay, and
you see the way you kind of alienated Goff at
the end, and he was the de facto scapegoat of
why you couldn't get over the hump? And you're looking
around going, man, I don't even know if I want
to coach anymore because I've been hinting at retirement and
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I've got a quarterback who's coming back because of the
money he's going to make, and physically we don't know
if he can still get it done.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
If regret would be the right word, But I just
wonder if Sean McVay gives a second thought to could
we have done this with Jared Goffitt quarterback? Could we
have done it that year with gothic quarterback instead of
Matt Stafford. And I think that's the big what if
question for the Rams that unfortunately we're never going to
get an answer to.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I don't know that that's a what if for them.
They got their Super Bowl, they pay for their Super Bowl.
Guys are dropping, you know, I don't know what's going
to happen with Stafford. Jalen Ramsey has left, they don't
have Von Miller anymore. Aaron Donald he's coming back, but
you know, there's always the conversation of if this is
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his last season. It's just there are so many Whitworth retired.
I mean, there's just so many different variables at play
in in LA that to me, I don't think they're
thinking about what if with Jared Goff. I think they're
thinking about what next for them as as as an
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organization and as a team. You got your super Bowl,
but now that's like in the distant past. Now it's
now what have you done for me lately? And so
now they got to start figuring out how does that,
how do you how do you make that work for
you now? And and thinking about something from the past
when you were able to get a Super Bowl after
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you got rid of him and brought in someone new,
I think I think it legitimize the move at that
moment in time. So now you just got to figure
out what legitimizes what you got going on moving forward.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Yeah, so there's all that. You're Detroit Lions.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
How does it feel to be the guy who started
this successful run for the Lions? You and Gus Johnson
calling a game in Cleveland and here we are the
favorites to win the division.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I don't think that's what it is, but I'll take it.
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Speaker 3 (35:56):
Right now, we turn it over to the old pe
Petrous Papadak. He is the co host of the Petros
and Money Show, which you can hear on the Blowtorch
a M five seventy l A Sports. He's also a
Fox College Football analyst and you can get him on
Twitter at the old.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
P Good morning, Pee, what's happening forget about me? What's
the mystery?
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Oh? You gotta stick around and find out. I can't
come on. It's fun.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I'll text it to you. But everybody else listening as to.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
Am I going to be impressed or completely and totally
let down.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
No, I don't want to tell you are going to
be totally let down.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Oh come on, this is p Come on, Petros, Yeah, exactly,
thank you.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
I cannot I cannot be fooled.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
I cannot be I'll tell you that it cannot be
bamboozled into thinking that Prince Harry is some kind of
warrior prince taking on the media.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I will say this, you were fooled by the PGA.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Oh pet hey, how about that a trip?
Speaker 6 (36:54):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (36:54):
How about golf popping up on the headlines here in
the middle of waiting around for Game three the ms P.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
I know you love you some golf, you know what, guy?
Speaker 6 (37:04):
I think what was interesting is and you don't see
much of this anymore in our day and age.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
I guess you do.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
With a trade or something like that in a major
pro sport that nobody saw coming. I mean, I always
think about the pau gasol trade that just kind of happened.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
And hit everybody upside the head.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
It was a little bit before social media was super prevalent,
but it is really hard to pull anything off.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Without it leaking.
Speaker 6 (37:38):
And the fact that this just hit everybody in the
head like an anvil and a cartoon.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Yesterday, not that everybody.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
And I got a lot of texts like, yeah, this
is great and it's interesting, but I don't care about golf.
I don't want to say I don't care about golf.
I certainly care more than I used to. I understand
the sport and why it's super super hard and the
pressure and the culture of it, and it's a country
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club sport that a lot of us have a hard
time relating to.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
But this is crazy.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
I mean, this is literally people's bosses for years telling
them not to take one hundred million dollar pay day
because they have a moral high ground or whatever, and
then your bosses take thee hundred million dollar pay day
and you're just expected to swallow it. And there's going
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to be if you're one of those PGA guys that
was running around talking about evil Saudi's and killing the
media and all of these terrible things that you would
link in with with Saudi money. Of course you don't
bother checking everybody else that you are a patron of
that takes money from all kinds of different, very very
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questionable regimes around the country, including our own questionable crap.
So it really, it really becomes a miyer of a thing.
But it's literally like somebody telling you you can't take
this blood money and then turning around weeks, months, a
year or so later and taking the blood money. That's
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got to be pretty tough to swallow if you're one
of those PGA guys. And I guess there's gonna be
a lot of bad blood for a long time, but
there's gonna be a lot more money, and that's gonna
be something to excite people that are golfers. But they
have a lot of logistical stuff to figure out. I
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mean a lot. They got to move mountains, So good luck.
I guess they'll tell us about it.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Uh, Petri's I gotta because you feel like in lebarn
I were talking, we think that you would be the
guy to ask when it comes to this. So these
seven to eight hundred million dollars whatever the number was
that was offered to Tiger Woods that he could have
got correct from Live Golf had he taken the deal.
Could his ex wife have gotten any of that?
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (40:14):
I don't know afterward?
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah, Like you know what I'm saying, Like, because if
it's post divorce and he earned it after they were together,
Like he would have gotten to keep all of that.
That really would have made up for a lot of
the income he lost.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
I mean, you're talking about two sets of gigantic lawyer groups, Yeah,
that would be working on that, Yeah, and Macro money.
And I think LeVar, I mean, you understand this more
than most of us. When it comes to the NFL
or lucrative sports where people are making a bunch of money.
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You got your Tom Brady's and your Aaron Rodgers of
the world. They are the exception. And I think golf
is the same. I mean, the guys that are really
getting screwed here are not Tiger Woods, who who could
lose lose a half a billion dollars and not lose
anything probably, but these guys that turned down ten million,
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fifty million, a lot of money that is not going
to be available anymore, only to have the entity they
were working for turn around and tell them, hey, it's
okay to do something we told you was a completely
morally bankrupt move. That is tough that for guys, and
we were talking to We're really lucky to have Gary
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McCord on yesterday right when it broke. We we have
a relationship, I guess with Gary McCord, And he came
on and was talking about it, and he said, they
might have to take, you know, a couple hundred million
dollars into some kind of slush fund or retirement fund
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or some kind of pension for a lot of these guys.
For the young guys, obviously, it wouldn't or the guys
that don't a bunch of money.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
It wouldn't make the.
Speaker 6 (42:01):
Biggest difference for the top fifteen to twenty whatever guys.
But all the other guys probably deserve some kind of
compensation or something for their loyalty. But they got a
lot to figure out. And I am not that guy.
I mean, my wife pays the bills around here.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
I mean, I wonder if they have any type of
legal action that they could take if they cost it
themselves millions of dollars. And I wonder if the people
who took the deals to begin with with the Live
tour will continue to be be monetized by Live the
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way that they were for taking the risk of doing it.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (42:44):
I mean, I think these contracts are contracts, right, and
they probably have to pay them out regardless I don't know.
I mean, I'm still trying to figure out the nil
thing where somebody says, the guy's getting ten million dollars,
but what if he transfers, what if he gets hurt?
What at the circumstances change. We don't know how these
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guys get paid in the nil. I mean, you want
to talk about something murky, I mean that is murky
and that has got something even I was talking to
a pro football coach just two three days ago, and
he was like, yeah, we have no idea how that works,
Like none of us do. Nobody has any idea, and
the coaches aren't really telling you at the college level
how it works. This I think. I mean, that's not
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a good example. Just I made the example to say
that structure is probably a lot more confusing than just
a standard contract that you signed with a company. Even
though the company is like a Saudi company that is
like bleeding oil and money, I think it still stands
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to reason that you get paid. I mean, Phil Michelson,
what did he what was it like one hundred million.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
Dollars, Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
Yeah, they're gonna pay They're gonna pay him one hundred
million dollars and if not, like LeVar said, there's probably
gonna be some kind of lawyers figuring it all out.
I mean, the billable hours from law firms for this
merger go up a little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
And you know what that starve if you need any
representation on the Live m PGA merger.
Speaker 6 (44:20):
Thoseto stores, those Snow stores US. You know Sweet James's
new number, Sweet James, the dense spirard of Justin went
my lawyer. Yeah, eight hundred and nine million. That's one
eight hundred nine zero zero zero zero.
Speaker 9 (44:36):
Zero zero cent center. But I I really I don't
know what well, I'm too stupid to understand, uh, this
kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
But there's a lot more money involved now, and I.
Speaker 6 (44:52):
Guess it's a it's a huge, huge endeavor and golfers
everywhere are going to have something to say, not just golfers,
probably politics and all that stuff. But it is amazing
where you say, well, everybody's got a price, and you say, well,
you know not what it comes to doing business with
so and so, and then I just rewinded Lebron James
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telling us that we don't know what's going on in
China and we shut out. It's like come on, dude,
you know, the money's the money, and people are going
to take it, and they're going to find ways to
do verbal and emotional and mental gymnastics to get out
of questions that they're asked about it. And look, I
never had some huge, fiery reason to not like live golf.
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I would probably find it very hard to find. It's
on the same network that the PAC twelve is probably
headed two, the Dancing Frog and the CW or Hello.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
My Baby, Hello my Darland, Hello my rag time.
Speaker 6 (45:54):
So you know, I don't really have a dog in
this fight, but it is interesting when people are really
really preachy, really preachy, oh and then they just turn
around and up the DL Anyway. I mean, what is
Rory McElroy gonna.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
Say, Oh god, Well, it's funny that he's he's all
of a sudden gotten quiet in recent weeks. I wonder
if he sort of anticipated something.
Speaker 6 (46:19):
Gary mccorr told us that he told us, you know,
they must have. They had to go around to about
six or seven of these golfers and.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Be like, hey, we're really sorry about this, but you
know that hundred million you turned down?
Speaker 4 (46:30):
Oh yeah, Coty in a bit of a pipe like
it's just a yeah, it is. It is hilarious.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
I was actually thinking about this too when it comes
to just a lesson learned in all of this that
everybody's a hypocrite. And so when you condemned somebody for
the way they do business, if you look deep enough,
you could probably find something wrong with them. And the
most recent one was like when Nick Saban called out
Jimbo Fisher for the nil and is recruiting and all
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that stuff, and it was like Jim Jimbo Fisher's first
reaction was, Oh, I know stuff about you if you
want to go there, like I got stuff on you.
And it's like like all of these guys that were
reprimanding these golfers for taking the money and all of
this stuff and standing on this this soapbox, and as
it turns out, everybody's full of crap, Like you're just
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a hypocrite. And that's why lesson learn don't throw stones
because everybody probably lives in a glasshouse, or at least
has some part of their house it's built by glass
that you could break easily if you really wanted to
look hard enough and throw something at it.
Speaker 6 (47:38):
If yeah, if you break it down, I mean, all
you really got to do is look at your phone, right, Yes?
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Who built your phone? Yeah? All right?
Speaker 6 (47:47):
I mean it goes that far in today's day and age,
and we're all just trying to live in the world.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
I mean, we're all just.
Speaker 6 (47:54):
Trying to get through the day, the moments without your
wife yelling at you or whatever it is you're scared of.
And it is interesting though that this came to fruition
the way it came to fruition. And I don't know,
maybe I'm just older now, but when I was younger,
it was a little bit harder to just strip the
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skin off and find the blatant hypocrisy. Now it's almost
like people don't they don't care, right because we're so inundated.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
I didn't mean for this to become such a heavy conversation, but.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
No, there's that type of conversation.
Speaker 6 (48:32):
We're so deeply inundated with information, right Like there It
used to be like you think about sitting around with
your friends back in the day, and the stuff he
used to talk about and the stuff he used to
convince each other was right, and ninety five percent of
it was dead wrong. I mean, now we have Wikipedia
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and you're like, damn, you know, I've been spreading lies
for my whole life. You know, like, you know, a
lot of information is so readily available to us. We're
so saturated in it that it almost doesn't mean as
much as it used to. You know, being right or
wrong or having the moral high ground is not it's
not stable anymore. It's not like you're standing on a rock.
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It's like you're standing on the sand and it's constantly
moving because the information is constantly coming at us.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
It's like, you know, when.
Speaker 6 (49:25):
The coaches say, well, it's a first week of camp
and we're installing, and it's like drinking out of a
fire hose.
Speaker 4 (49:31):
You know, that's that's kind of like what this is.
Speaker 7 (49:35):
You know.
Speaker 6 (49:35):
It's like every day we wake up and we and
you know, we're all radio hosts, so we look at
the news and we're involved in the news, and we
live in the twenty four hour media. But there's just
so much all day every day. It's almost like you've
come all the way around to the other side and
there's nothing. So you know, you don't really you're not
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affected by the news. Oh there's another shooting, All right,
where's my combucha? You know, it's it's a societal problem.
I do feel like, and we have too much information
and it doesn't affect us like it used to. So
you know, people they say, well, let's take this hit.
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We'll take the money, we'll take the hit, We'll take
the four or five day or fifty day or whatever
it is pr hit, and eventually it will blow over
and we will we will be rich.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
You know.
Speaker 6 (50:34):
That's I think that's a big part of this, or
at least some part of it, is just we don't
have a gauge on how impactful information is anymore because
we're constantly living in it. I mean, sports talk radio
itself used to be just informational. The guys that did
sports talk radio were guys that knew the starting lineup
(50:55):
of the Kansas City Royals and they lived in New York.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
Hack saws headlines, right.
Speaker 6 (51:00):
Because that was the only information you could get about
the sports world between the newspapers coming out and maybe
the evening news.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
So you know, and that's changed.
Speaker 6 (51:10):
All the everything is on everybody's phone at the same time.
So what do you have to do in sports talk radio?
Maybe be a little bit more entertaining and things like that.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
It's a.
Speaker 6 (51:21):
It's a confusing thing to navigate. And good luck to
all the golfers at the country club drinking.
Speaker 4 (51:26):
Their mimosas at a place called the nineteen.
Speaker 6 (51:30):
One and forty dollars Polo that stretches, that resists sweat.
Speaker 4 (51:35):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Hey, how you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Listen, We're just hanging out here, just kind of laughing, grinning, okay,
smirking a little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You know, it's always nice when you find out somebody's
full of crap for your very eyes and ears.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, let's get to it, man, I mean, it's just
let's get When I saw it, I was like, this
is a joke, Like this was it was so beyond
my realm of comprehension after hearing all of the backlash
and and everything that was taking place with the golfers
who did it, and Charles Barkley wanting to announce it, like,
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let's get to it.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah, it's I thought the same thing.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I thought there was a parody account attached to it,
because you can never be too sure because sometimes these
stories come out and you've got to reference it and
see whether or not it's a site ball sack Sports
who likes to throw out some headlines and.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Is that real?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Yeah, that's real. It's a real thing. It's called ball
sack Sports.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
And they'll and what they'll do is they'll attribute quotes
that aren't true to people and they just run with
it and they catch people all the time.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I think they've they've gotten Steven A.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Smith, I think they've gotten Shannon Sharp because they're really
well done and well executed. It's like the old the
the Onion that's out there. The Onion's got some great headlines.
Then I assumed that this was one of those headlines,
and then nope, it started flying and the story started
to come out that the PGA and the Live Golf
Tour are now merging and the funding will be on
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behalf of the Saudis who were the same group and
the same people behind the Live Tour that the PGA tour,
and all of those blowhards who stood on their soapbox
condemned all of those players like Brooks Koepka and Phil
Mickelson for joining because it was blood money and all
the other things that came along with it. And then
(02:03):
they saw their opportunity and without letting anybody know, and
apparently none of the players knew either on the Live
tour the PGA tour, they all found out via social
media and Twitter. J mo Onahan, the PGA Tour Commissioner
announced that this would be happening. The merger is here,
but he also recognized that there's some hypocrisy in all
(02:24):
of this, and so in talking with ESPN he addressed
that as well too.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
I recognize that people are going to call me a hypocrite.
And anytime I've said anything, I said it with the
information I had at that moment, and I said it
based on someone that's trying to compete for the PGA
Tour and our players, and so I accept those criticisms.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I hope, So of course you do. I hope, of
course you do. I mean, come on, it's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
He sounds like a moron, Like, I mean, come on,
Like I said it with the information I had at
time at the time. The information hasn't changed. It hasn't changed.
The only thing that's changed is now y'all don't have
any type of legal issues pending, which who knows how
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much that was going to cost, you know, the sites.
Now you have to explain why the patriot uh, the
patriotism of what the PGA Tour represents is now been
pushed to the side because everybody was talking about terrorists,
(03:35):
terrorists terrorists. You can't do it. It's not American terrorists, terrorists, terrorists, terrorists.
These are the same people that have sent terrorists to
our land. They knocked down our buildings, they've they've terrorized
our people. Terrorists, terrorists, terrorists, terrorists. Charles Barkley, you'll lose
everything nobody wants you if you do this. This is ridiculous.
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Why are you thinking that's terrorists, terrorists, terrans And now
all of a sudden you're saying saying it's not that like,
it's good, We're good, We're gonna partner up right, Come on, man,
that this has got to be one of the most
insanely acidine moves and sports that I've ever heard of.
It's just based off of the level of I mean,
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I remember distinctly how disgusted people were, the golfers that
were coming out. I even think Tiger came out and
had something to say about it. Everybody had something to
say about it and was weighing in on it and
chiming in on it. And you know what, they wanted
to shame any and everyone who had any shred or
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ounce of support for the Live Tour. And now we're
here with new information, Jonas, could you please give me
that new information? Please? Can you give me the new information?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Oh, there is none.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
The new information is Jamon hann and the PGA tour realized.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Damn, that's a lot of money that would really go
a long way.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
And and he can talk about it's better for the
game of golf and whatnot, and listen them two being
together and and Brooks Kepka and all those guys being
able to participate in the tournaments together and all that stuff.
That's all good and well, But the fact of the
matter is the hypocrisy is so egregious that I think
a lot of people are gonna have a hard time
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wrapping their arms around this for a significant amount of time.
And I know the news cycle is a fast one
and things turn and burn, but you can't look at
some of the people that shot their mouths off and
not think to yourself, to your point, what has changed?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
And if you're.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Tiger Woods, if you're Rory McRoy, if you're some of
these guys that condemned these golfers for joining and talked about,
you know, all the money that you're taking and the
blood money bro they offer tiger Woods like seven eight
hundred million dollars. Is he going to get that money back?
Is Tiger Wood's going to be able to get that
seven eight hundred million dollars back? Whatever them was that he.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Turned down, and not unless they gonna purchase him a
new leg. It's just new body parts.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
It's just like, the whole thing is amazing to watch
in real time and just to see the way it
was handled and nobody knew about it, and you've got
all like Jay Monahan talks said that he had a
meeting with a bunch of the PGA Tour players and
he described it as he did and the word hypocrite
was thrown around, and all, well, yeah, of course, because.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Because you got everybody looking like everybody who went along
with it, you got them looking like morons and hypocrites
right along with one.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Hundred percent and all of the And the difference between
those guys and the guys that did join the live
tour is they got like a you know, like an
extra one hundred million dollars in their pocket, and we
all ended up in the same spot. It's the whole
thing is awful. And I saw some report that was
out there that you know, these players will be fine
when they joined the tour, my ass like, like, if
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you don't think that that Phil Mickelson and some of
these guys, there's a reason why they were taking victory
laps on Twitter yesterday. There's a reason why because they
had to wear it from so many people who stood
on the soapbox at the PGA tour and were blow
hardening up for what two years now, Like we would
talk about this with Brady because he was all into
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just the business.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Of it all.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
And I remember we all in Unison were like, man,
there's a lot of name calling, a lot of stuff
going on there, like it just it felt like those
guys were going so hard in the paint with patriotism
and where the money's coming from and let's trace it
back and all that, and all those live guys had
to wear it and they took their money and their
names were drugging the dirt the entire time. And two
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years later we're in the exact same spot, except they
got the money and these guys don't like.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
It's the thing.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
It's it's amazing to watch, Like I just and again
I thought it was a parody. Account I didn't think
it was real. And then the more it came out,
people that cover golf were looking around, going, wait a second,
this is actually happening.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I couldn't believe it when I got I got the
message soon is the news dropped up? I was like, man,
I sent the message back like, bruh, it's not April.
It's like, is this April fools? Like you sound like
this is the dumbest, Like why are you sending me
this random like the PGA tour the merges with Live
(08:23):
Like that's so dumb. I put. I looked at it
and clicked out of the message, like the person sending
it to me is bored. You got too much time
on your hands. That's how I looked at it. I
couldn't comprehend it.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
It's wild, man.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I couldn't comprehend it.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
So you remember, like one of the things that I
was thinking about yesterday when I saw it. You remember
when Nick Saban came out and was critical of Jimbo
Fisher and Niel and all the other things. When we
were talking about like because we hadn't heard a coach
go after another coach like that, Like we hadn't heard
anybody air another coach out for their recruiting tactics or
whatever the case may be. And Jimbo Fisher responded and
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along the lines of I know stuff about him. I
could say stuff about like he was really thrown off
by Nick Saban coming after him and his time going
so hard in the paint at Jimbo Fisher for the
way he was recruiting. And part of the reason was
is if you look deep enough into anybody, whether it's
college or whatnot, you can find dirt on anybody. Like
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if you really wanted to find dirt on a program,
you could do it. And you've never heard like when
USC's got all of their issues, you never hear a
UCLA coach come out after USC. You normally don't hear that,
but you did with Saban, which is what was so
surprising about it, because there's almost this I don't know
if this is there what do they call it?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Thieves?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
You know, like no honor amongst Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
No honor amongst thieves kind of thing to where you know,
we're all kind of cutting corners here and there. Let's
not air each other out, because then it opens up
a can of worms for everybody involved. Like this is
exactly bactly why none of these people should have shot
their mouth off when given the opportunity, when these guys
took this money, because if this much money was involved,
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the idea that the PGA Tour would just stand back
away from all of that and continue to condemn it
this entire time was laughable. And you like, never if
pot calling a kettle black, if you've got, you know,
dirt on somebody, but you've got some skeletons in your closet,
don't call it out in real time on the spot
and try and air anybody out. And reminded me of
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that because you normally don't see this stuff in college football.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
You normally don't.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Hear other recruiters air out other recruiters because everybody's got
a little bit of something that you could point to
and say, oh what about this. And the fact that
all these guys stood on the soapbox like j Monahan,
the PGA Tour commissioner, and wore these players out for
joining the live tour, And here we are lesson learn
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don't call anybody out when you know you're going to
end up if they go the direction that this was
going to head in the entire time, if you're going
to end up in the same spot.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Now you just look like clowns. They look stupid.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Everybody on that side of it looks dumb, and they
look like they were all full of crap, especially Jay
Monahan who recognized the amount of money that was involved
and then jumped at the cash when he got an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
To and got out of paying cash. Yeah, because they
were going to have to continue to shut out cash
on the antitrust lawsuits that were pending or were going
against one another that they filed against one another. And
I just get this strange feeling their money isn't as
long as that public fund that's funding lived. I just
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don't I don't see it. I don't see it. Maybe
I'm off, but I just don't see it.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
So they've got so much money, Like there is so
much money that they can work with. It's like they're
in another stratosphere. Like I was talking to Ben Mahller
about this before the show. So the WWE puts on
live events in Saudi Arabia at least a couple of
times a year, and initially when they were doing it,
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it was all about, well, I mean, this is a
bad look and it's blood money, and it's this like
all of the same stuff, and then you start to
realize how much money they're bringing in from a business standpoint,
coming off a pandemic where everybody's still trying to find
their footing in certain areas. Man Like, we could trace
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back a lot of stuff, like if you want to,
like some of the sponsors on the PGA Tour at
the time, if you wanted to go far enough back,
you could probably find some dirt on a lot of
money that was in the PGA tour as well too.
And the fact that those players in Jay Monahan were
calling out these guys when they were making a business
decision for them and we're having to defend themselves from
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PGA tour writers and people in the media, and that
they were being condemned the entire time.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
It was bad.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
It was bad.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
They were ostracized, Like they were looked at as bad
for the game and bad for humanity and bad for America.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
That's what they were looked at.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
There was the group nine eleven Families. Yeah United, Yes, United.
They they're terribly offended, terribly offended. You like, if you
are a Patriot and you live in that you basically
the PGA Tour basically has condemned themselves to anyone that
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is truly, truly, deeply rooted in that belief, like, you've
alienated yourselves as the tour PGA tour, You've alienated the
rest of the people who play in the tour because
of the hypocrisy that you have exercised on such a
flagrant level. It's like, how do you And I'm curious
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is the outcry from the nine to eleven communities and
the people who have been impacted directly by by this this,
you know, the whole deal of it. I wonder how
large of a voice, because we see when the voice
is loud, things change. We're seeing it, you know, with
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what's going on, like what we saw what happened with
the Dodgers and different things like that connected to that
community in particular. They have gotten us such a strong
voice that when that voice comes together, things change. We
saw it happen with Black lives Matter, Things change. I
wonder is the voice the voices of the patriots who
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feel the way that they feel about you know, Saudi
Arabia and the money or the Saudi money. I just
wonder is that voice so strong? Is it strong enough
to come together to condemn this so much that something changes,
because I think the backlash of this is going to
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be significant amongst them, But how significant is it in
a true public form and a public voice. Will it
create pressure for the PGA tour to have to reconsider
what it is that they did based upon how badly
it's being received here in America.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
And the fact that they didn't let anybody know that
it was happening. I think I ought to tell you
how they felt internally about it, that oh man, this
isn't going to land.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Well.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
It's like it's like waiting, waiting till your parents just
wake up to ask them if you can go somewhere
because you know they're groggy and not really thinking straight.
It's almost like they wanted to wait till everybody wasn't
looking or maybe not thinking straight, and then all of
a sudden they just dropped a bombshell in the morning
and said, all right, here we go, and everyone's like, wait,
what do you mean? Is this a joke or is
this not a It's the whole idea behind it, from
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start to finish is laughable. And and I'm with you,
I'm curious to see how bad the backlash get and
if you're one of those family members who stood up
there and condemned these golfers for joining and where the
money comes from, and they're exposing themselves and they're showing
themselves to be who they really are, and I mean
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all of the stuff. And then you still are down
a family member who you lost to nine to eleven.
You sat up there and had to make a statement
and defend your family and what happened and talk about
the PGA Tour doing it the right way and the
Live Tour not doing it the right way.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
How are they feeling right now?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Because you had to stir up all those memories and
all those feelings. And then at the end of the day,
the person who was kind of angling to get everybody
to go in that direction ended up going in the
same direction as the arch rival or the villain in
this whole thing ended up going to for the money.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
You know, It's even more interesting and further in the
article that I'm reading, Donald Trump was hosting live tours,
live golf events on his courses and basically got on
on his his true social and said that a merger
and he said this last year, a merger between Live
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and PGA Tour was inevitable people. I mean, I'm not
We're not gonna turn this. I mean, this is a
political conversation, honestly, it really is.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
It is.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
But when you start to see people who are saying
things that are actually accurate and then them things are
happening a year later, I mean, you know, it's it
creates interesting perspectives, It creates new parallels, and I just
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think it's this one, This is an interesting one. Where
Where's Joe Biden? Where's Joe Biden in this? Like, if
we're being real here, where where are the government of
officials that are protecting democracy and protecting you know, what's
what's considered to be American Where where are these people? Where?
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Where is that? Because to me, if this is as
bad as they tried to make it when it happened,
if it's as bad as it was when this happened,
and as as many people that tried to make this happen,
how do you allow the PGA to do a merger
and do business this way without there being any type
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of discussions, any type of whole ho ho hold on,
Like you guys can't do that, You're not going to
do that? Where? Where? Where are where are these politicians
because this seems to go outside. This clearly goes far
beyond the parameters of just sports. This isn't just a
sports topic. This is a political topic, which to me,
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I'm curious with everything that's going on with you know,
campaigns and stuff like that, I'm wonder are they going
to are people going to just kind of brush over
this or are politicians going to have something to say
about it? Yeah, because there I'm definitely certain that more
than just the nine to eleven people, are the nine
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eleven community are offended by this?
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, there's a lot of people who are doing the
I told you sos that many people in mainstream media
don't want to hear from. And unfortunately they were all right,
and Trump.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Was one of them.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Phil Mickelson was one, Greg Norman was another. All like,
there's just it's just such a bad look, bad look.
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Speaker 4 (20:00):
Do you wobout the fact that it's still raining out here?
What a pain in the ass, man, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Look, we're not trying to complain about the weather. For
many people listening across the country, you feel no sympathy
for us in southern California. But we've gotten inundated with
rain this year.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Oh no, I'm complaining. I'm not paying taxes. I'm complaining
because they tell me you're paying for the weather. Your
taxes that you pay here on the West Coast is
for the weather. Yeah, sunshine tax So please bring the
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sunshine back. And and by the way, you know what
all this rain has done, Jonas, what's that? I have
had some of the worst bug bites that you like.
The rain has created super insects, you know, because they
don't have rain out here, they don't have water, you
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know what I mean. Like these insects have tried to
adapt to you know, they just rusty, dusty, crusty out here.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
Man.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
You know what they're drinking now, your blood? Your blood,
flying vampires.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Tired of it.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
And it's not even we're not even at the heavy
part of mosquito season. I've still I've still I've got
scars on my ankles from last year.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Like you thought, I step on a bear trap.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I've got scars from mosquitos that disintegrated my legs last year,
and there's not a lot of meat on those legs
and they found every ounce of it and they got
after it. So yeah, it's it's not going to be
not going to go for bone mar you know, yes too.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
It's a high end stuff, you know it is.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
So let's get into uh, what is a fun little
topic and a fun little piece of business here that's
being done in the NFL, and that is the little revenge.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
I don't know if this is there.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
They're looking at it as revenge because it's not like
the Lions have actually clinched a playoff spot or won
anything significant. I mean the Rams definitely have. They won
a super Bowl, but the Jared Goff Matt Stafford trade
a couple of years later. As it stands right now,
I feel like Jared Goff's a better quarterback than Matt Stafford.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
We super Bowl goes to the Rams, and I mean
that's just always going to be the leveling piece of
all of this, is that it's just that it goes
back to them winning the super Bowl, you know, with
Matthew Stafford coming there for one year.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
And Dan Campbell, the head coach of the Detroit Lions.
He talked about the development of one Jared Goff. Let's
take a listen to DC.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
I mean, he's a better quarterback than he was there
in my opinion, because he can do more things. He's
mentally on it. I mean, we've come light years ahead
of where he was two years ago when we walked
down and just start teaching him protections and really dove
into that. And he's got a real good grasp of
what we're doing, where the issues are, where the problems are.
And that's something that we really wanted him to get
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good at, and he wanted to get good at and
he's worked at it and he's improved.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So that helps you.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Now all credit to Jared Goff, who, Look, that's a
tough spot for a guy. When you're supposed to be
the face of the franchise, you get to a Super Bowl,
you come up short, you're playing the Patriots, and then
just the way things ended there, he was kind of
looked at as the scapegoat. He wasn't all that healthy.
They could have started him in a playoff game at Seattle,
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they decided not to start him. Then their backup, John
Wofford goes in, gets hurt, Jared Goff comes in early.
They win that game on the road. Then they're really
competitive at Green Bay the following week, in which Aaron
Donald got hurt.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Goff with the.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Broken hand and bum hand wasn't nearly one hundred percent,
but they were in that football game for a majority
of that game. And then you get to the offseason
and you're the scapegoat and you're the missing piece at
that position, and they go out and they trade for
Matt Stafford and they send Jared GoF to Detroit. A
bad situation, and then your ex ends up winning a
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Super Bowl while you're sitting in Detroit with all of
your teammates, all of the relationships you built. And he
never complained about it. He never there was no outbursts,
there was no he didn't take shots at anybody. He
just kept his head down, kept working. And now we
are two years later, and I totally agree with Dan Campbell.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
I think he's a better quarterback.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
And I think it's a testament to Jared Goff for
how he handled the situation, because that couldn't have been ideal.
If when you left Washington, if the very next year
they won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Damn that would hurt that. That feels like that would
bother you a little bit.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
It wouldn't have hurt because I knew it wouldn't have happened. Okay,
first of all. Second, second of all, as it applies
to to like Jared Goff, like they didn't they make
it to the Super Bowl with Jared all right, So
it's not as though Jared Goff isn't sitting there looking
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at the scenario, like our team was good enough to
make it to the super Bowl with me. So the
fact that we didn't win it, I mean that doesn't
you know. A lot of people said the reason why
they didn't win in San Francisco when they went to
the Super Bowl was because of their quarterback. And everybody's
going to have their varying differing opinions of what something is,
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what substantiated the claim. And in La Is they brought
in Matthew Stafford and they they were able to win it.
It is what it is. If I'm Jared Goff, I'm
not even living in the past of what I was
when I was in in Los Angeles. I'm living in
the fact that I was drafted to be a franchise quarterback.
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He was not brought in as you know, like he's
he's not a scrub, you know what I mean? Like
so Jared Jared Goff comes from you know, being I
want to say, what was he drafted? I don't want
to what was it?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
He was number one overall overall? Yeah, and Carson Wentz
was too.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah. So there, I mean, come on, like like know
that that you don't by accident get to that pick
in the draft. Now, for whatever his work, Carson Wentz
has falling off the face of the planet in the
way that he went over Niagara falls with his career.
But as it as it applies to Jared Goff, I
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think he's done heck, extremely well. He's made it further
than then a lot of players have made it in
the in the pro level and has.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Escually when you consider he was he was inactive his
first week. You remember his first few games of Jeff
Fisher like they thought he was a bust. Like there
was bus talk with Jared Goff. So to your point,
he's at he's at a a pretty good career all
things considered.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
All things considered, and now he goes nine and eight
last year with the Lions. The Lions are looking to
be a team that possibly wins the division this year
and could possibly be competitive making it to the making
a playoff run. I don't know how much I believe
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in that. I know that's what a lot of people
out there are saying and predicting. But what I will
say is is the one thing that's most important in
this scenario is that it seems as though you have
a coach that believes in you. And to me, that's
the singular biggest element that you want to have in
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play is that, well, the coach believes in you. If
he feels like he's better here because we give him
the ability to do more, then that's awesome. And you
live with that, and you ride with that, and you
go with that, and you make that work. That's awesome,
and that gives him a fear opportunity to achieve a
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certain level of success. You know, if they don't achieve
that that certain level of success as a team, does
that fall on Jared Goff? I think it falls on everyone.
It falls on the coaching staff, it falls on the quarterback,
it falls on everybody else that's on the team. But
for the most part, I look at Jared Goff and
I say, he's you know, he's been a good quarterback
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for the Detroit lines. And focus in on that, you know,
focus in on that, because if I'm trying to focus
in on substantiating it between LA and Detroit. For one,
Detroit was not a team that was built to win
the same way that the Los Angeles Rams were. But
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then you watch the Rams fall off a cliff. You
got one good year out of Matthew Stafford, one good year.
Now what happens after? What happens now? I don't know
if Jared Goff continues to trend upward and Matthew Stafford disappears.
If you want to use the Super Bowl to substantiate,
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then you go right ahead. But the bottom line is
what do they feel in Detroit about Jared Goff? That's
really all that matters at this point.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, and Dan Campbell, I think loves him.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
And look, you were you actually did his Jared Goff's
first year at Detroit. You did the Lions Browns game
that November, and the Lions were winless going into that game,
and they were also winless coming out of that game.
And it's it's funny because Goff didn't play. It was
Tim Boyle who was the starting quarterback because Goff had
an oblique injury. But if I would have told you
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leaving the booth of the game, you called hey. By
the way, in less than two years, the Lions are
going to be favorite to win their division. Would you
believe me?
Speaker 4 (29:59):
No, it's a prettyund.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
But that's addition by subtraction. Also, I mean, Minnesota claimed
it this year. And Minnesota just doesn't want to be
a playoff team. They just don't want to be a
good playoff team. What do you mean, they just don't
want to be a good playoffs We rather not do
that rather than.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
That, I'm not going I'm not going to uh, but.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I mean Aaron Rodgers. Let's be clear, this is the
Aaron Rodgers fact. Now that Aaron Rodgers is not in
the NFC North. I mean, you look at it and
you say, okay, Ken the Beers catch up, maybe they
can probably not all right, where where without I gotta
be honest, without dalving cook and your defense not cooking
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like it has been for years, where are you at
in Minnesota? So Minnesota could be dealing with the idea
of maybe they might not be as explosive on offense
as they have been. Maybe they will, I don't know,
but I would I would say odds for me, if
i'm if I'm betting on it, odds for me is
(31:10):
to go with Minnesota until they prove otherwise, and then
I would look at Detroit and see what happens. There
just too many question marks surrounding the Beers, too many
question marks surrounding the Packers right now to put them
up at the top. But this is almost by default.
I don't think that this is my dominance of Detroit.
(31:33):
It's just about default.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
See, I think we were going to get to this
point anyway, as Aaron Rodgers or not. Detroit swept him
last year, Like they won that final game when everything
was on the table for Rogers.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
You had cold weather, all the.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
The playoffs, right, they could have made the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Yeah, and it was it was win and get in
and the Lions ended up going on the road and
winning that game. I just I love what Dan Campbell's done.
I love what the Lions have done and the fact
that they brought in all those players and there's this
there's just a different vibe to them. Then there isn't
in a lot of places. You look around the NFL
(32:09):
just to see all the you know, Chris Spielman, all
of these respected guys trying to repair relationships with Barry
Sanders and Calvin Johnson and all that. I just I
think what they've done is is outstanding and it's good
to see for just the city of Detroit and for
Lions fans where they're headed. And the fact that you know,
Sean McVay was asked about it and he's got to,
(32:30):
you know, sort of dance around the topic because he
heard the quotes from Dan Campbell, because Dan Campbell said
he's a better quarterback now here than he was there,
which if you're supposed to be this offensive guru, I
don't know how that lands with you if you're Sean McVay.
But you know, he talked about, oh yeah, he's playing
at a high level. That's probably a fair assessment. And
(32:51):
you can tell he was trying to be, you know,
just as professional as possible when it came to addressing
all that. But if you're if you're Sean McVay, and
you see the way you kind of alienated Goff at
the end, and he was the de facto scapegoat of
why you couldn't get over the hump? And you're looking
around going, man, I don't even know if I want
to coach anymore because I've been hinting at retirement and
(33:12):
I've got a quarterback who's coming back because of the
money he's going to make, and physically we don't know
if he can still get it done.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
If regret would be the right word, But I just
wonder if Sean McVay gives a second thought to could
we have done this with Jared Goffitt quarterback? Could we
have done it that year with gothic quarterback instead of
Matt Stafford. And I think that's the big what if
question for the Rams that unfortunately we're never going to
get an answer to.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I don't know that that's a what if for them.
They got their Super Bowl, they pay for their Super Bowl.
Guys are dropping, you know, I don't know what's going
to happen with Stafford. Jalen Ramsey has left, they don't
have Von Miller anymore. Aaron Donald he's coming back, but
you know, there's always the conversation of if this is
(34:04):
his last season. It's just there are so many Whitworth retired.
I mean, there's just so many different variables at play
in in LA that to me, I don't think they're
thinking about what if with Jared Goff. I think they're
thinking about what next for them as as as an
(34:25):
organization and as a team. You got your super Bowl,
but now that's like in the distant past. Now it's
now what have you done for me lately? And so
now they got to start figuring out how does that,
how do you how do you make that work for
you now? And and thinking about something from the past
when you were able to get a Super Bowl after
(34:47):
you got rid of him and brought in someone new,
I think I think it legitimize the move at that
moment in time. So now you just got to figure
out what legitimizes what you got going on moving forward.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Yeah, so there's all that. You're Detroit Lions.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
How does it feel to be the guy who started
this successful run for the Lions? You and Gus Johnson
calling a game in Cleveland and here we are the
favorites to win the division.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I don't think that's what it is, but I'll take it.
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Speaker 3 (35:56):
Right now, we turn it over to the old pe
Petrous Papadak. He is the co host of the Petros
and Money Show, which you can hear on the Blowtorch
a M five seventy l A Sports. He's also a
Fox College Football analyst and you can get him on
Twitter at the old.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
P Good morning, Pee, what's happening forget about me? What's
the mystery?
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Oh? You gotta stick around and find out. I can't
come on. It's fun.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I'll text it to you. But everybody else listening as to.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
Am I going to be impressed or completely and totally
let down.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
No, I don't want to tell you are going to
be totally let down.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Oh come on, this is p Come on, Petros, Yeah, exactly,
thank you.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
I cannot I cannot be fooled.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
I cannot be I'll tell you that it cannot be
bamboozled into thinking that Prince Harry is some kind of
warrior prince taking on the media.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I will say this, you were fooled by the PGA.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Oh pet hey, how about that a trip?
Speaker 6 (36:54):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (36:54):
How about golf popping up on the headlines here in
the middle of waiting around for Game three the ms P.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
I know you love you some golf, you know what, guy?
Speaker 6 (37:04):
I think what was interesting is and you don't see
much of this anymore in our day and age.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
I guess you do.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
With a trade or something like that in a major
pro sport that nobody saw coming. I mean, I always
think about the pau gasol trade that just kind of happened.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
And hit everybody upside the head.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
It was a little bit before social media was super prevalent,
but it is really hard to pull anything off.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Without it leaking.
Speaker 6 (37:38):
And the fact that this just hit everybody in the
head like an anvil and a cartoon.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Yesterday, not that everybody.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
And I got a lot of texts like, yeah, this
is great and it's interesting, but I don't care about golf.
I don't want to say I don't care about golf.
I certainly care more than I used to. I understand
the sport and why it's super super hard and the
pressure and the culture of it, and it's a country
(38:10):
club sport that a lot of us have a hard
time relating to.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
But this is crazy.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
I mean, this is literally people's bosses for years telling
them not to take one hundred million dollar pay day
because they have a moral high ground or whatever, and
then your bosses take thee hundred million dollar pay day
and you're just expected to swallow it. And there's going
(38:39):
to be if you're one of those PGA guys that
was running around talking about evil Saudi's and killing the
media and all of these terrible things that you would
link in with with Saudi money. Of course you don't
bother checking everybody else that you are a patron of
that takes money from all kinds of different, very very
(39:01):
questionable regimes around the country, including our own questionable crap.
So it really, it really becomes a miyer of a thing.
But it's literally like somebody telling you you can't take
this blood money and then turning around weeks, months, a
year or so later and taking the blood money. That's
(39:24):
got to be pretty tough to swallow if you're one
of those PGA guys. And I guess there's gonna be
a lot of bad blood for a long time, but
there's gonna be a lot more money, and that's gonna
be something to excite people that are golfers. But they
have a lot of logistical stuff to figure out. I
(39:45):
mean a lot. They got to move mountains, So good luck.
I guess they'll tell us about it.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Uh, Petri's I gotta because you feel like in lebarn
I were talking, we think that you would be the
guy to ask when it comes to this. So these
seven to eight hundred million dollars whatever the number was
that was offered to Tiger Woods that he could have
got correct from Live Golf had he taken the deal.
Could his ex wife have gotten any of that?
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (40:14):
I don't know afterward?
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah, Like you know what I'm saying, Like, because if
it's post divorce and he earned it after they were together,
Like he would have gotten to keep all of that.
That really would have made up for a lot of
the income he lost.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
I mean, you're talking about two sets of gigantic lawyer groups, Yeah,
that would be working on that, Yeah, and Macro money.
And I think LeVar, I mean, you understand this more
than most of us. When it comes to the NFL
or lucrative sports where people are making a bunch of money.
(40:45):
You got your Tom Brady's and your Aaron Rodgers of
the world. They are the exception. And I think golf
is the same. I mean, the guys that are really
getting screwed here are not Tiger Woods, who who could
lose lose a half a billion dollars and not lose
anything probably, but these guys that turned down ten million,
(41:09):
fifty million, a lot of money that is not going
to be available anymore, only to have the entity they
were working for turn around and tell them, hey, it's
okay to do something we told you was a completely
morally bankrupt move. That is tough that for guys, and
we were talking to We're really lucky to have Gary
(41:32):
McCord on yesterday right when it broke. We we have
a relationship, I guess with Gary McCord, And he came
on and was talking about it, and he said, they
might have to take, you know, a couple hundred million
dollars into some kind of slush fund or retirement fund
(41:52):
or some kind of pension for a lot of these guys.
For the young guys, obviously, it wouldn't or the guys
that don't a bunch of money.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
It wouldn't make the.
Speaker 6 (42:01):
Biggest difference for the top fifteen to twenty whatever guys.
But all the other guys probably deserve some kind of
compensation or something for their loyalty. But they got a
lot to figure out. And I am not that guy.
I mean, my wife pays the bills around here.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
I mean, I wonder if they have any type of
legal action that they could take if they cost it
themselves millions of dollars. And I wonder if the people
who took the deals to begin with with the Live
tour will continue to be be monetized by Live the
(42:40):
way that they were for taking the risk of doing it.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (42:44):
I mean, I think these contracts are contracts, right, and
they probably have to pay them out regardless I don't know.
I mean, I'm still trying to figure out the nil
thing where somebody says, the guy's getting ten million dollars,
but what if he transfers, what if he gets hurt?
What at the circumstances change. We don't know how these
(43:07):
guys get paid in the nil. I mean, you want
to talk about something murky, I mean that is murky
and that has got something even I was talking to
a pro football coach just two three days ago, and
he was like, yeah, we have no idea how that works,
Like none of us do. Nobody has any idea, and
the coaches aren't really telling you at the college level
how it works. This I think. I mean, that's not
(43:30):
a good example. Just I made the example to say
that structure is probably a lot more confusing than just
a standard contract that you signed with a company. Even
though the company is like a Saudi company that is
like bleeding oil and money, I think it still stands
(43:51):
to reason that you get paid. I mean, Phil Michelson,
what did he what was it like one hundred million.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
Dollars, Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
Yeah, they're gonna pay They're gonna pay him one hundred
million dollars and if not, like LeVar said, there's probably
gonna be some kind of lawyers figuring it all out.
I mean, the billable hours from law firms for this
merger go up a little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
And you know what that starve if you need any
representation on the Live m PGA merger.
Speaker 6 (44:20):
Thoseto stores, those Snow stores US. You know Sweet James's
new number, Sweet James, the dense spirard of Justin went
my lawyer. Yeah, eight hundred and nine million. That's one
eight hundred nine zero zero zero zero.
Speaker 9 (44:36):
Zero zero cent center. But I I really I don't
know what well, I'm too stupid to understand, uh, this
kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
But there's a lot more money involved now, and I.
Speaker 6 (44:52):
Guess it's a it's a huge, huge endeavor and golfers
everywhere are going to have something to say, not just golfers,
probably politics and all that stuff. But it is amazing
where you say, well, everybody's got a price, and you say, well,
you know not what it comes to doing business with
so and so, and then I just rewinded Lebron James
(45:15):
telling us that we don't know what's going on in
China and we shut out. It's like come on, dude,
you know, the money's the money, and people are going
to take it, and they're going to find ways to
do verbal and emotional and mental gymnastics to get out
of questions that they're asked about it. And look, I
never had some huge, fiery reason to not like live golf.
(45:38):
I would probably find it very hard to find. It's
on the same network that the PAC twelve is probably
headed two, the Dancing Frog and the CW or Hello.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
My Baby, Hello my Darland, Hello my rag time.
Speaker 6 (45:54):
So you know, I don't really have a dog in
this fight, but it is interesting when people are really
really preachy, really preachy, oh and then they just turn
around and up the DL Anyway. I mean, what is
Rory McElroy gonna.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
Say, Oh god, Well, it's funny that he's he's all
of a sudden gotten quiet in recent weeks. I wonder
if he sort of anticipated something.
Speaker 6 (46:19):
Gary mccorr told us that he told us, you know,
they must have. They had to go around to about
six or seven of these golfers and.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Be like, hey, we're really sorry about this, but you
know that hundred million you turned down?
Speaker 4 (46:30):
Oh yeah, Coty in a bit of a pipe like
it's just a yeah, it is. It is hilarious.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
I was actually thinking about this too when it comes
to just a lesson learned in all of this that
everybody's a hypocrite. And so when you condemned somebody for
the way they do business, if you look deep enough,
you could probably find something wrong with them. And the
most recent one was like when Nick Saban called out
Jimbo Fisher for the nil and is recruiting and all
(47:02):
that stuff, and it was like Jim Jimbo Fisher's first
reaction was, Oh, I know stuff about you if you
want to go there, like I got stuff on you.
And it's like like all of these guys that were
reprimanding these golfers for taking the money and all of
this stuff and standing on this this soapbox, and as
it turns out, everybody's full of crap, Like you're just
(47:24):
a hypocrite. And that's why lesson learn don't throw stones
because everybody probably lives in a glasshouse, or at least
has some part of their house it's built by glass
that you could break easily if you really wanted to
look hard enough and throw something at it.
Speaker 6 (47:38):
If yeah, if you break it down, I mean, all
you really got to do is look at your phone, right, Yes?
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Who built your phone? Yeah? All right?
Speaker 6 (47:47):
I mean it goes that far in today's day and age,
and we're all just trying to live in the world.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
I mean, we're all just.
Speaker 6 (47:54):
Trying to get through the day, the moments without your
wife yelling at you or whatever it is you're scared of.
And it is interesting though that this came to fruition
the way it came to fruition. And I don't know,
maybe I'm just older now, but when I was younger,
it was a little bit harder to just strip the
(48:16):
skin off and find the blatant hypocrisy. Now it's almost
like people don't they don't care, right because we're so inundated.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
I didn't mean for this to become such a heavy conversation, but.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
No, there's that type of conversation.
Speaker 6 (48:32):
We're so deeply inundated with information, right Like there It
used to be like you think about sitting around with
your friends back in the day, and the stuff he
used to talk about and the stuff he used to
convince each other was right, and ninety five percent of
it was dead wrong. I mean, now we have Wikipedia
(48:52):
and you're like, damn, you know, I've been spreading lies
for my whole life. You know, like, you know, a
lot of information is so readily available to us. We're
so saturated in it that it almost doesn't mean as
much as it used to. You know, being right or
wrong or having the moral high ground is not it's
not stable anymore. It's not like you're standing on a rock.
(49:16):
It's like you're standing on the sand and it's constantly
moving because the information is constantly coming at us.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
It's like, you know, when.
Speaker 6 (49:25):
The coaches say, well, it's a first week of camp
and we're installing, and it's like drinking out of a
fire hose.
Speaker 4 (49:31):
You know, that's that's kind of like what this is.
Speaker 7 (49:35):
You know.
Speaker 6 (49:35):
It's like every day we wake up and we and
you know, we're all radio hosts, so we look at
the news and we're involved in the news, and we
live in the twenty four hour media. But there's just
so much all day every day. It's almost like you've
come all the way around to the other side and
there's nothing. So you know, you don't really you're not
(49:57):
affected by the news. Oh there's another shooting, All right,
where's my combucha? You know, it's it's a societal problem.
I do feel like, and we have too much information
and it doesn't affect us like it used to. So
you know, people they say, well, let's take this hit.
(50:19):
We'll take the money, we'll take the hit, We'll take
the four or five day or fifty day or whatever
it is pr hit, and eventually it will blow over
and we will we will be rich.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
You know.
Speaker 6 (50:34):
That's I think that's a big part of this, or
at least some part of it, is just we don't
have a gauge on how impactful information is anymore because
we're constantly living in it. I mean, sports talk radio
itself used to be just informational. The guys that did
sports talk radio were guys that knew the starting lineup
(50:55):
of the Kansas City Royals and they lived in New York.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
Hack saws headlines, right.
Speaker 6 (51:00):
Because that was the only information you could get about
the sports world between the newspapers coming out and maybe
the evening news.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
So you know, and that's changed.
Speaker 6 (51:10):
All the everything is on everybody's phone at the same time.
So what do you have to do in sports talk radio?
Maybe be a little bit more entertaining and things like that.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
It's a.
Speaker 6 (51:21):
It's a confusing thing to navigate. And good luck to
all the golfers at the country club drinking.
Speaker 4 (51:26):
Their mimosas at a place called the nineteen.
Speaker 6 (51:30):
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Speaker 3 (51:38):
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