July 9, 2021 • 40 mins
Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington get your Friday jumpin' with reaction to Gm 2 of the NBA Finals. What stood out to them about the Suns win over the Bucks, and why was Giannis compared to a young LeBron? The fellas have a great conversation about Name Image and Likeness. How much money did LaVar miss out on? Plus, we find out about a dog tattoo on Jonas and the show ponders which Suns player is most likely to get a trophy tattoo.
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Hey, it's out kicked the coverage here Fox Sports Radio,
Jonas knocks Brady, Quinn, LaVar Arrington, and on the Friday
edition the NBA Finals, we are two games in. What
the hell is going on with the Milwaukee Bucks. We
will take a look and a listen to. Plus it's name,
image and likeness, but what does it really mean inside
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a locker room in college football? Tom Brady is a
New Orleans Saint. It was actually that close to happening.
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part of your Friday. Welcome aboard. The weekend starts now
and we're gonna take you all the way up until
nine am Eastern times, six o'clock Pacific. Guys, are we
ready for this Friday? Uh dose of Shenanigans? We are
going to offer up the nation right now. It's Friday's Friday.
I mean, just get after this thing up. Yeah. I mean,
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when it's Friday and you don't have a job and
you don't have anything to do, you just you just
turn up. So we're gonna help all your people out
there that ain't working, you know what I mean. I've
got some bad news. I've got some bad news. So
what happened last night in the NBA was the worst
possible thing that could have happened for all those people
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out there who wanted the Sons and four got to
go away. I'll just I'll leave it at that. The
Sons in four Guys back in full effect. They've got
a two oh lead. Everyone is. He's still in the
back of our minds if if, if this series would
have went won one, okay, we wouldn't have to worry
about any more Sons and four guy. But now we've
got the Sons and Four guys back, and he's a
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bigger deal than ever before. Jonas. Yeah, listen that guy.
I mean he's got an Action figure he's got now
for you guys. For you guys, that's not a big
deal because you guys, you know, have figures. Yeah, you
got like you guys are starting lineups. Do you remember
those starting lineups action figures and your kids? I don't
know about remember them, but you know I have I
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have like a miniature, like a really really big bobblehead
out there. Oh nice man. Yeah, Brady's got a babble
idea and realized, you know, Brady walked around with the
bubble here. You know, I've got a big dome. I'm
not afraid to admit he's smart. You gotta have that
storage space and so yeah, so this guy, so this
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guy's sons and four action figure is now gonna, you know,
just increase in value as they continue to go up.
The Sun's get it done last night. Uh, they have
two games to none in the series. Um, Look, at
some point we got to talk about the free throw shooting.
Just it's such a such a scam that happens every
year in the NBA are and every other game seemingly.
But look, we alluded to this, and Phoenix is a story.
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There're two games away from winning an NBA championship and
it looks like it's going to be a son's year.
All of that is great, But we we talked about
this a little bit, just kind of joking. Almost yesterday,
Somebody's got to explained to me how Janice is a
walking and be scoring forty two in the finals game.
He was fantastic. What are we? What are we looking
at here? What's happening? Great? Jeans? I'm I was really
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sure what else you pointed to? You know, Jonas when
we were preparing for the show, you you had accompt
for him, And I'm not gonna go there because I
feel like that individual is so unique, But I'll let
you speak about it. My thing is, I think Janice
is a closer version to maybe what Lebron was when
he first came into the league. Now we're talking about
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years and years ago, but when he first came into
the league, he was so physically dominant for his size
as far as the way you could fly, the everything
he could do. But he he came in more skilled.
I mean, Jana still has a long way to go,
but he's got that sort of ability to be able
to take over a game to a degree. He just
had no help. Like this reminded me of watching Lebron
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in his first NBA Finals versus the San Antonio. Yeah,
San Antonio Spurs, like they got swept, it was it
was four oh and he had no help on that
team whatsoever. This is this really And obviously he doesn't
have the free throw issues to the degree that Janice does,
but even to this day, he's still not the best
free throw shooter, especially the clutch. But that's who he
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reminds me of, at least how this playoffs has turned out.
You know what, what's interesting for me and watching these
playoffs take place. First of all, you wanna you want
to quickly say that the Sons have proven that there
are better team and and that Janice, Janice has to
be honest for them to have a chance to win.
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But again I'm gonna go back to my point that
I made yesterday. The biggest thing, Well it wasn't yesterday
was Game one, um, and I think that was with
with me and you Jonas I I and I reiterated
right now is as big a stage as this game,
this this series is and it being the biggest moment. Now,
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think about this for every single player in this finals.
It has created a different dynamic of how we're going
to look at a Janice, how we're going look out
of Chris Paul and Devin Booker and even the role
players that are on this team. So when I'm looking
at how Janice is playing the moment, it's like you
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you know this, Brady and and and those games that
that that those legendary games that Notre Dame would play
against certain opponents. The level and the magnitude of what
that moment presents there, You're either going to rise up
in that moment, either as an individual, collectively or both,
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or you're only gonna have a few rise up and
it's not going to be collective and then you have
to see where where it's going to end up. You're
looking at a a Milwaukee team. This stage is seemingly
too big for the lack of experience being in an
NBA finals, where you're looking at this this Sun's team
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and them with the way Janice is playing through this
injury and as brilliant as he played last evening, You're
looking at a team that has probably the reason being
even though he's never played in a championship round, but
Chris Paul's leadership is probably signing through because this team
seems to be loose, They seem to be confident, and
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they seem to be prepared for a moment in time
that well, none of them have ever lived out. So
I think that that's what's playing out right now an
interesting look at. And also Drew Holiday was supposed to
be an addition to help you honest and and help
you know, put them over the edge and not getting done.
And Chris Middleton was supposed to be you know, the
number two so to speak for Janice and that team,
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and and Brady's point, those Calves teams, like the first
one Lebron was on, it literally was all Lebron, there
was there was it was Lebron and like who else
was even? Was it it was Eric snow might I
think of the Sixers with Alan Iverson with those two
teams are always compared because you literally one guy and
then just some supporting cast of nobody you could really remember.
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I think Booby Gibson might have been it might have
been another guy. Yeah, and so yeah, so there's you like,
look at that team and then you look at this
morning you go, well, it seems like they've already addressed
these issues, like they've already tried to add around him.
If you're the Milwaukee Bucks, so you gotta be relieved
because at least he already signed the big contract extension.
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Because if these guys, I'm telling you, if these guys
are getting exposed in the finals like this and he
and there, he had the opportunity to leave after this year,
He's got all the leverage in the world you want
to walk because he sees what's happening on the biggest stage.
To LaVar's point, the fact that he's already locked up,
the Milwaukee's gonna be having a sigh of relief right now,
thinking hold on, hold on, these players in the NBA
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can do whatever they want. They have so much power
as far as if he wants to get traded, he
can get traded, like it's not overly complicated to do that.
I actually yeah. You just act like you put on
pounds at you had on eight layers game and act
like you put on a bunch of weight. Then you
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look spelt once you go to Brooklyn. In all seriousness,
this was their window of opportunity. This was their year.
And I'm not writing them off yet because I think
they can play well at home and even the series
the two and two, even though it doesn't look like it.
But the truth of the matter is this was their
window of opportunity. You cannot tell me that next year
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they're gonna be the favorite the East over Brooklyn with
Durant with hardened and Irving back healthy and with that
team maybe even playing better at that point in time
too as a group. So I I just they they
if this plays out how I think we think it might,
where Suns are winning at least in five or six,
this thing is over and and they missed this window
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of opportunity. If I'm be honest, I'm as frustrated as
I possibly could be. And I'm not saying this is
gonna lead to him making the decision, if you will,
he takes his talents to South Beach. But the truth
of the batteries, you know, there's a team like Miami,
there's other teams down there who are looking to get
another superstar on their roster so they can make a
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run in the East. In particular se I actually think
both these teams. Look whatever happens out in the Western
Conference next year, I mean, let's just call what it is.
Phoenix has been the benefit of injury luck more so
than any team I can ever remember making a run
to a time, whether it's the Lakers in the first series,
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Anthony Davis was a shell of himself. Lebron was nowhere
close to Denver was completely gassed. After the run the
bubble the short turnaround, Murray was out, and then they
get the Clippers. Kauahi Leonard was out for that series
and Zoo Bots went out in that series. They had
injuries and now and now, well, I'm just saying like
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that that was another that was another star, that was
another remember it I miss I was back. I was
just trying to showcase the fact that I actually Knowledge
got that Knowledge likely pronounced his name, and I just
wanted to shoot at the point. But the point being,
the point being here before I get kicked on the
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in the nuts on national radio, the point being they've
Phoenix has gotten every benefit of the doubt. So I
actually it's their opportunity to this is what you're saying,
and whoever doesn't capitalize on this, they're screwed next year.
I actually think this is the the window is closing
after they for a title for both these teams. And
Chris Paul, Yeah, the hold on, don't you think Phoenix though,
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has more of a window with that young group and
the way they shoot. I know, the West is much
more difficult to go through it, I know. And time's
Monty Williams, Notre Dame Guy, Monty Williams, Notre Here's Jonas.
He's talking. He's talking to me Jonas Jonas. Okay, so
that's what he's thinking's going. Wait a second, I'm a
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Lakers fan, huge Lakers. Okay, hold on a second. Like
you can, you can say a lot of things that
do not call me a Laker fan. I do my
best to avoid the plague Fox Sports Radio that is
Laker fans that make up this place. I'm doing everything
I can, all right to try and try and make
this thing stay afloat with all the Laker fans and
the negativity around this building. And then I get called
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a Laker fan. That is that a line? Well, let
me let you do next, bring up my dead dog?
I mean you heard this story. No, but it's it's
clearly sensitivity, Friday. I just gave ending. Don't worry that.
It's pretty much almost somebody. Somebody's got an exposed cavity
in their mouth right now and the coffee has hurt them,
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hit the nerve. What what you got going on? Man?
What tell us about the dog? You know, I'm all
about the end. What do you mean he died? It
was years ago, but Brady Lake, it was eleven years ago.
Was not eleven years ago? Where you got where you
got super close, where your best was a girl? A girl?
Was it a boy print tattooed on my arm? Not? No,
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it's true. I'm looking at it right now showing he
has his Paul print? Was it? So? What was it
like a bulldog or some Yeah? You think that's a
big all right, it's a mascot of the Cleveland ground.
I'm into that's probably a tattoo you don't regret, right, Oh,
what do you think it's covered? He has given him
the biggest Brady Hey Brady. He did put a tattoo
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around the Paul print though, But yeah, I mean that's
kind of that's kind of dope, though, I guess. I mean,
I've I've owned some dogs they've passed on. I've never
felt compelled to get them see his own. Some people
make mistakes of bar I. I don't think everybody. I
wonder what Phoenix Here's here's a betting situation here, what
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Phoenix Sun will get the Phoenix Suns logo tattooed on
them if they win the championship. That's a good point.
When I was going to do it, that's a really
good point. It was gonna do it. It It won't be
Chris Paul because it'll be gone. Let's see who who
would be the first. But Chris Paul doesn't seem like
the tattoo type. Well there, there's there's some talk that
he's not gonna be back, that he's gonna ask for
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a massive amount of money and they're gonna go he
you know, well, well, we'll let him, We'll let him walk.
It doesn't seem like h like that's the long term there.
But yeah, Phoenix Sun, that would get a son's tattoo.
I don't know. We can go down the roster and
break that down. But and I think, you know, what
we did just now is really do a deep dive
recap in to gain one of the NBA Finals like
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no other show than well, here's the here's the finishing off,
here's the finishing touches. There was not one other Milwaukee
Buck that broke twenty points in an NBA finals what
could be considered and I note, listen, I knowpe, this
is like dragging your fingers down a chalkboard and a
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must win gang too. There were no other Milwaukee Bucks
players that showed up and put in the points and
the work that Jannis did. And that's said because this
is an opportunity. This is when you become the star.
This is when you become a household name. You don't
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want to become a household name in infamy. You want
to have fame and fortune and status, right and Milwaukee,
those those players are missing that opportunity. And that's you know,
I think that that's kind of set when you got
a guy with the caliber that Janice is walking around
on a slinky uh, and those guys aren't showing up finals.
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Lebrod had to deal with this year though, right, Yeah,
he didn't have much help once. It's a d sort
of dealing with injuries. Yeah, but you know what, tough balls.
You want to build a roster, you get what you deserve. Sorry, Pale,
I'm not gonna feel bad for him, all right, Brady
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up next, We're going to get into a discussion in
the world of sports. It is taken off like wildfire.
We're talking about the changing of football at one level
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I saw what you did there. I'll see what you
did there. A referenced a referenced Friday coming into the show.
I see what you did. I appreciate you listening to me, man,
I hope, yeah, out there listening to us. So I
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Brady Quinn, LaVar Arrington, Jonas knocks here on fs ARE
we're going to get into a discussion that has changed
football with a couple of real experts on the matter.
We will get to that here coming up in just
a moment from now. All Right, how we feeling about
we are? What? What are we in a little over
a weekend to name image likeness in the n c
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a A. You're seeing more and more deals get done.
It's it's not the It's almost like free agency where
it was really hot and heavy, some big names, a
lot of moving and shaking in the first couple of days.
But it's slowed down a little. But there are still
players out there that are agreeing to certain things. Um So,
a week into it, how are we feeling about the
the potential uh impact name image and like this is
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having on college football? Because I don't know if people
know there's not Brady quinnin labar Arrington massive stars at
the college football level. Just ask them, they'll tell you.
So what I mean, we did it? I mean, hey, Brady,
I'm I know about. I'm not going to apologize that
I had a brilliant college career. I know that. How
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about that. Whether people remember it or not is another story,
But in my own mind it went pretty well. No,
I mean, I'm not even gonna I'm not really sure
why that matters to Jonas. Outside of it, it does
play into like how we would have handled name, image,
likeness like these guys are now. I think it's such
a different landscape because of social media and the following
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you can build. I don't want to say in an instant,
but let's be real, and I'm sure you've seen this
LaVar when a kid commits to a team, everyone starts
to follow the kid. Some of these kids I talked
to coaches and they'll say this. They'll look at like, well,
what kind of following the team actually has on their
social media accounts? To get a sense for how many
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followers it will give them. I mean, think about that
for a second. The whole thing is a bit absurd.
But Jonas, as you pointed out, we saw this big
wave a lot of news about it, and now we're
not hearing quite as much. And then that's that's not
because there's not deals being made. You know, Phil Knight
and Nike just signed Cabon Thibodeaux, the outstanding pass may
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be the best in the entire country, to a six
figure deal. We don't know what exactly that is, but
he's gonna making at least a hundred thousand dollars on
a deal that the field night with Nike, he's able
to do with them, And and I wish I could
elaborate and like give you more details about some of this,
But the truth is what we've gotten with the Name,
Image and likeness is the wild, wild West. We do
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not know how all this stuff is coming together. I mean,
for example, the President all Right of the commission that's
supposed to govern all this for compliance, he openly said
he doesn't know how to govern any of it because
he doesn't know what rules he's supposed to be forcing
or not. That's a problem, I mean, that's gonna be
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a problem. The president this year is having issues looking
at that. So the truth of the matter is, if
you're a booster and you want to help out your
football program and be a part of Name, image and likeness,
you can and you just to never do that before.
And it's a slippery slope because now you know, do
you think about, like back when we were there, LaVar,
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you had to have a pre existing relationship to someone
if they were gonna be able to give you twenty
bucks for lunch, like you could literally lose eligibility over
twenty bucks. Over twenty bucks, I'll tell I'll give you
worse one than that. I we have a I've done
a program where we helped kids and we mentor kids,
and at one point we were assisting young men in
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Nigeria and they were coming here and we were getting
them placed in in high schools. One of the kids
that we had, we had camps worldwide. We discovered these
kids and we brought them here. He had to pay
me for spending a weekend at my house, which he
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always spent weekends at my home since he came to America.
He had to pay me a certain sum of money
in order to to keep himself clear in terms of eligibility,
because that was considered to be a benefit that would
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and now think about, he wouldn't even be here if
it wasn't for me, And they're making him pay me
for his stay at my home, which he was staying
at before he even became a prospect that played at
the Division one level. Like that was how weird these
rules have have shown to be so now when you
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think about it now, Brady and Jonas, when you think
about what this rule represents. Now, you're talking about if
you have, like if you have any type of aspirations
of being a money manager, of being a handler, which
handlers is so rampant. If you understand this landscape right now,
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handlers are rampant, and they come in all shapes, sizes,
and forms. It could be a mom, It could be
an aunt, It could be an uncle, It could be
a cousin. It could be a brother. It could be
a best friend, it could be a family friend. It
could be someone that that teaches you at school. It
could be your finance teacher at school. It could it
can be anyone. The game is now changed in the
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sense that any and every single person out here can
try to connect themselves to talent. And here's where it
gets super interesting, guys. The battle ground is not the
college athlete. It's the high school athlete. Let me blow
your mind, it's the middle school athlete. They are going after.
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These people are going to attach theirselves for these business
opportunities that are going to benefit these schools as benefiting businesses.
They are going to go attached to eighth graders, seventh graders,
ninth graders, tenth graders. Now, you tell me what comes
out of that? How do you govern that? Right? Well,
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and that's that's where you can't. And honestly, it's been
going on forever. It's been going on forever because you know,
much like we saw with the basketball cases in regards
to Adidas and how they got popped from giving players
extra benefits, the truth of the matter is au basketball
and the recruiting of kids in junior high has started
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for a long time and it's been that way in football.
But we never address or talk about it because again
there's a ton of players. You know, there's probably even
more so that don't necessarily pan out because I think
so much has to do with your you know, your
physical size and how you develop and if you can
be that four force you know, forty guy. Um. But
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but the truth of the matter is that's been going
on for a while now. I mean Adida has had
these showcase, these high high school football games that are
these big showcases, and they've been doing this now for years.
And what they do is they go out and they
get these kids free swag. And their whole point is
they're trying to put those little little breadcrumbs. Leave the
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bread crumbs for him. So when they get to school,
they like the Adidas gear. You know what, when they
get the chance to sign a deal in the NFL,
they like the Adida's gear. They're the ones who are
are kind of being, you know, at the forefront of
all that thinking about those younger generations, and the truth
of the matter is you're not gonna be able to
stop it because at that young at that young of
an age, it would be considered a pre existing relationship.
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So so even with the old rules, they would still
would have been allowed. And now with the new rules,
it's just gonna one rampant because if these kids, if
they have any sort of social media falling, Like remember
mc McClung, who's now you end up going to Texas
Tech to play basketball. But he he was a sensation
because he was a little, you know, white boy out
of I forget exactly where his high school was, but
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he could no I'm just saying like he could. He
could throw it down for a kid who was six
foot like he could elevate, throw it down and he
would do these ridiculous dunks and it literally it generated
such a viral or so, you know, social media following
that he could have walking into Georgetown when he first
went there, he could have gotten paid big time from
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N I L and just people advertising on a social
media account that couldn't before. So I think there's still
a lot to be seen with this whole deal, But
you know, it's calmed down to a degree apart because
I think we all realized there are so many athletes
out there. They're not gonna be able to all cash in.
It's gonna be the point zero one percent of college
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athletes that are good enough people are gonna give them
money to do this, are you guys? So when it
comes to the name, image and likeness stuff, there's no
concern about resentment in locker rooms about one guy getting
one deal and another guy in not getting anything. Was
that de Eric King of Miami There was a report
him in Bubba And then then we're gonna be sort
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of spreading out the money they were getting to help
out other athletes and and try and help out other
players in the program. It's just it feels to me
like there there is some dangers with this that maybe
now some people are starting to think all the way through,
but weren't actually thinking about That's that's cute to spread
the wealth around and take care of your teammates. But
let's be clear, those resentment issues are already there if
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if they're going to be there based off of this, right,
Like it's based off of playing time, it's based off
of fame, popularity, respect, how the coaches treat you, whatever
it may be. Those resentment issues always are in locker rooms,
and the idea of it is is how do you
manage them as players with one another? How do you
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manage it as coaches? Coaches in and and trying to
keep everyone together. I always say the more you love
one another as teammates, the better opportunity, a better chance
you have a winning So those issues already exist, you know,
in locker rooms. Brady, Yeah, I don't know that they're
gonna make it any work just because there's there's money involved. Now.
I think a lot of players have kind of realized
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based on you know, their status within the team, whether
they're a captain and people think they should be or
not or just the position that they play like that
that's gonna play a factor in it too. What's your point,
It's always been there, like, there's always gonna be some
guys who are jealous, whether it's a skill position player
who feels like he contributes just as much, or you know,
honestly the position that pretty much at every level, every
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level now probably doesn't get enough attention or credit for
what they do. Running Backs now, at least in the
in the NFL, when those offensive linemen get there, they're
getting paid. Okay, you're talking yeah, well no, no no, but
I'm just saying in general, like at every level, even
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though office and lineman never get enough appreciation, but at
least they get compensated well at the next level. Even
at the next level, running backs aren't making that's the
money that other positions are, and so they're not appreciated
in college, they're not appreciated in the NFL. It seems like,
you know, they're the lowman. So if anyone should be resentful,
it's probably running backs. But the reality is, you know,
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this has always existed. You know, the interesting thing about
talking about how all of these benefits and situations have existed,
I would say, one of the major shifts that in
my opinion, that I would forecast that is going to
come is the ideas surrounding how do you grow your brand?
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See for me being a mentor of of young men
for so long, Seawan Merriman is the first kid I
ever mentored and taught to brand himself, to present himself
in a certain type of way. That's how far back
it goes for me. And it's like the idea of
turning yourself into a a business, an investable business. That's
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going to change, and it's going to change in a
major way. Because now I tell guys all the time,
you don't have to make it to the pros to
be able to leverage what you're doing in the game.
You don't have to. In fact, you don't even have
to be a great player at the college level. So
instead of wasting your time being jealous or upset at
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someone else, figure out how to grow your network, figure
out how to talk to people, be a kind person,
help and assist others, make yourself and dare yourself to
the communities that you're in because for what it's worth,
whether it's your high school community, whether it's your college community,
whether it's both whether you make it to the NFL
and you're not one of those guys that's a mainstream guy.
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With what's taking place now, you can still develop a
brand and an identity that is investable and it doesn't
have to be the star player, doesn't have to be
the recognized, well compensated player to do so. You can
build that good will up and that becomes the vegetable
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piece of what it is that you represent. And I
think that that's going to be the biggest element as
it applies to how I'm viewing this. That can be
the most perspective productive aspect of this naming, image likeness
situation that's going on. God, I just want how much
you guys are ever sit and think to yourself, God,
we could have made so much money. I just so
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much money. Like how many cheers we had. We had
over a hundred thousand people that came to watch our games.
And I'm thinking to myself, I used to think this
when I played. I saw eleven jerseys at such a
rapid clip when I played, eleven T shirts, eleven posters,
eleven calendars of Phil Sims fans. You know, they had
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New York Times with sims On. But just give me
one dollar. Just give me one dollar from each one
of those. Just give me one dollar and imagine what
that would be. Well, I'm just saying but but but
just the thing, you get nothing. So give me one
dollar of how many eleven jerseys that I would see
during the course of a year one like when sports illustrated.
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So you want to think about this, like I was
a four year starter Notre Dame quarterback and really the
first person who brought this to our attention. I had
this conversation with Jonas was we had a sports psychologist
that you know, they come through they talked to us
about it. And he was the first one. Now granted
I did I didn't tell Jonas this. He played football
back at s m U, back before they got the death.
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He had seated all so when he was when he
was looking at me, he was thinking, man, you guys
are getting taken advantage of for the amount of you know,
money you're bringing in out even outside of just what
we were doing on the field. And so he was
the first one that said, you know, at some point,
you know, you might want to come back and try to,
you know, make some money off of how they've made
money off you. And the interesting thing about that is
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I never I valued my education there so much that
I never felt like I was taking advantage of I
really didn't. And I do feel like there's a degree
with all these kids that they're overlooking the fact they're
leaving college. Even if they don't make the NFL, they're
leaving college debt free. They are not going to have
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any debt. And so the n i L money icing
on the cake, you know, the fact that they've got
an education, the n i L money if they can
make it, icing on the cake. But the overall experience too,
and being able to kind of grow as a man
or just as a young human in this world. Man
like that. That stuff you can't replicate. So I never
really took on that approach. Um now looking back on it,
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you know, again, we had a national following. You know,
could could I have made some money? Sure, sure I
could have made some money from it, But the reality
is I probably would have blown some of that money anyway.
It would have would have been a wise investment outside
of just given everything I could back to my family.
And that's that's the hard thing with some of these
kids too. We talked about like Derek King, Bubba Bolden,
bringing that money throughout the locker room. The guys who
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needed some of these kids might be getting insane, like
I'm getting it because my family needs it, Like I'm
passing it back to them because I need to support them.
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get your podcast. Yeah, Jonas and Brady got enough juice
to go around. It's far other side of town and
I get back to the street the radio show. See,
I'll be messing up my bars every once in a while.
Every every once in a while, I mess up whoa, whoa?
Wait for wait a second. We never got an update.
Did you make the turkey legs? No? I didn't. Oh man,
(34:26):
I didn't. Yeah, yeah I didn't. I didn't make it
so much yesterday. But I will, but I will. I'm
gonna go to my in fact shouts out to my
people's Applaza Produce, I go get pass. Yeah. Can you
really taking this name image like this stuff to another
(34:48):
like that produced T shirt. I gotta tell you they
always in their Michigan fans so that you know. So man,
you know Brady, we can you know, kind of team
up on like that. But but with that being said,
he the owner of the spot, really takes care of me,
like and you'll let me know, all right, I got
I got this in stocker, I got this. Have you
(35:10):
ever tried making this like it's really a thing for me, man,
I mean, it's really a thing. At some point we
should also talk about your love of you know, Mexican beers.
Big fan of beers, I mean, and and you like
I p a s. Yeah, what are you into, Brady?
Are you into beers? I am irish, so I like
(35:31):
all alcohol. That's not anything that you could really throw
my way. Yeah, come on, well you take offense to that.
I think I think there's something there that we Yeah,
play the bag pipes with the Ireland and play. I
have no idea what join us was gonna try to
get us to talk about. But can we go back
(35:53):
to the Sun's tattoo conversation? I just say this so
I did want to get into a discussion about something
that could happen in the NFL that could completely have
changed last weekend, our last seat. We will be getting
into that in ten minutes from now. I promise you
we will pay that tease op. Ten minutes from now. Uh,
these Phoenix Suns player to most likely to get a tattoo,
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I'm gonna go, Uh, Frank Kaminsky, that's gonna be mine. Yeah,
why I don't because it's the first guy I could
think of. I have no idea who cares, cares is
most important? That's that's that's the one. Um. Look, Tori
Craig has a fair amount of tattoos, so maybe he
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would be more likely to get another. The only issue
is is this year he played for both the Bucks
and the Suns. In fact, if you go on NBA
dot com and you look up the Sun's roster, it's
actually a photo of him in a Bucks jersey. So
I think he would be likely to get one, and
and maybe he's not gonna have another chance or opportunities
(36:58):
somewhere else to get one. So I'm gonna go with
Tory Craig just giving the amount of tattoos he already has,
it wouldn't be that much to add one. More like,
if you were regretting it, which I don't think you would,
you could hide it amongst all the rest of his tattoos.
I'm going with Cameron Payne. Oh, I like that. By
the way, I love Cameron. He's very he's very colorful. Um,
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he's probably gracious as hell, right, Like, he's not even
in the league. His ass off every single game. You
watch that guy he's all over the but think about it,
he was not in the league. He was overseas. He
gets this opportunity to come back. Not only does he
come back, but then he has an impact. So in
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this moment of time, they win a championship. That's something
you can never take away from him. You know, they
call what they call him the dancing squirrel or whatever
they call him. What is that? I don't know. They
call him the dancing man or something. He's got a
nickname because he's him. And and what Russell Westbrook or
somebody that you used to dance like? He still does.
(38:02):
He dances before the games all the time, Like, look
it up. This is a real thing. So he's a
colorful personality. He's he's like I said, he's probably happier
than than a clam that he's He's in the NBA
finals from where he started. You know, the the year
and the idea of it is like man like to
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commemorate what this moment in his life represent it, it
would be Cameron Pitt. Look at that. Did you see
an argument? I picked Frank Kaminsky just because I thought,
all right, well who who who feels guilty about not
stepping up. When Pat Beverley shoved Chris Paul in the back,
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Jake Crowder just walked by too, like hey, hey, puts
on them. And I thought Jay Crowder is like a
tough dude, like he was ready to get it on
and stuff like that. And I don't know, I thought
Jay Crowder was should have done a little bit more.
He was right there to push them. That's that's not
this NBA. Yeah, that is not this era. What's that
supposed to be? That's kind of fighting words from a
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QB man. I'm just the guys don't These guys don't
want to heat like they're not trying to get in
fights another. People don't realize that Brady was a thug man.
He wasn't. Well you can't. All right, let's go, let's
go live. I've got a question on The Sun's player
to get a tattoo insider Danny G for the Latest Danny. So,
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if management was crazy enough to put you guys in
this spot full time, would any of the three of
you get a show logo tattoo? Hell, yeah, I do it.
I'm not come on, just depend on what the name
of the show. Yeah, come on, I would do it.
Why not well, Yeah, listen, you can't get worse than
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the two tattoos I've got. So, I mean I just
saw that that that first one, and I don't want
to say it was just Irvan. Could you could have
went to a better artist to get tell me about it, man,
I trust me. Like this is old school, like streak
it at at your sketch, streak it through the class,
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just tracing it. I hear about he's doing it. Jonas,
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part of your Friday. Welcome aboard. The weekend starts now
and we're gonna take you all the way up until
nine am Eastern times, six o'clock Pacific. Guys, are we
ready for this Friday? Uh dose of Shenanigans? We are
going to offer up the nation right now. It's Friday's Friday.
I mean, just get after this thing up. Yeah. I mean,
(01:49):
when it's Friday and you don't have a job and
you don't have anything to do, you just you just
turn up. So we're gonna help all your people out
there that ain't working, you know what I mean. I've
got some bad news. I've got some bad news. So
what happened last night in the NBA was the worst
possible thing that could have happened for all those people
(02:12):
out there who wanted the Sons and four got to
go away. I'll just I'll leave it at that. The
Sons in four Guys back in full effect. They've got
a two oh lead. Everyone is. He's still in the
back of our minds if if, if this series would
have went won one, okay, we wouldn't have to worry
about any more Sons and four guy. But now we've
got the Sons and Four guys back, and he's a
(02:34):
bigger deal than ever before. Jonas. Yeah, listen that guy.
I mean he's got an Action figure he's got now
for you guys. For you guys, that's not a big
deal because you guys, you know, have figures. Yeah, you
got like you guys are starting lineups. Do you remember
those starting lineups action figures and your kids? I don't
know about remember them, but you know I have I
(02:55):
have like a miniature, like a really really big bobblehead
out there. Oh nice man. Yeah, Brady's got a babble
idea and realized, you know, Brady walked around with the
bubble here. You know, I've got a big dome. I'm
not afraid to admit he's smart. You gotta have that
storage space and so yeah, so this guy, so this
(03:15):
guy's sons and four action figure is now gonna, you know,
just increase in value as they continue to go up.
The Sun's get it done last night. Uh, they have
two games to none in the series. Um, Look, at
some point we got to talk about the free throw shooting.
Just it's such a such a scam that happens every
year in the NBA are and every other game seemingly.
But look, we alluded to this, and Phoenix is a story.
(03:38):
There're two games away from winning an NBA championship and
it looks like it's going to be a son's year.
All of that is great, But we we talked about
this a little bit, just kind of joking. Almost yesterday,
Somebody's got to explained to me how Janice is a
walking and be scoring forty two in the finals game.
He was fantastic. What are we? What are we looking
at here? What's happening? Great? Jeans? I'm I was really
(04:00):
sure what else you pointed to? You know, Jonas when
we were preparing for the show, you you had accompt
for him, And I'm not gonna go there because I
feel like that individual is so unique, But I'll let
you speak about it. My thing is, I think Janice
is a closer version to maybe what Lebron was when
he first came into the league. Now we're talking about
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years and years ago, but when he first came into
the league, he was so physically dominant for his size
as far as the way you could fly, the everything
he could do. But he he came in more skilled.
I mean, Jana still has a long way to go,
but he's got that sort of ability to be able
to take over a game to a degree. He just
had no help. Like this reminded me of watching Lebron
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in his first NBA Finals versus the San Antonio. Yeah,
San Antonio Spurs, like they got swept, it was it
was four oh and he had no help on that
team whatsoever. This is this really And obviously he doesn't
have the free throw issues to the degree that Janice does,
but even to this day, he's still not the best
free throw shooter, especially the clutch. But that's who he
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reminds me of, at least how this playoffs has turned out.
You know what, what's interesting for me and watching these
playoffs take place. First of all, you wanna you want
to quickly say that the Sons have proven that there
are better team and and that Janice, Janice has to
be honest for them to have a chance to win.
(05:30):
But again I'm gonna go back to my point that
I made yesterday. The biggest thing, Well it wasn't yesterday
was Game one, um, and I think that was with
with me and you Jonas I I and I reiterated
right now is as big a stage as this game,
this this series is and it being the biggest moment. Now,
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think about this for every single player in this finals.
It has created a different dynamic of how we're going
to look at a Janice, how we're going look out
of Chris Paul and Devin Booker and even the role
players that are on this team. So when I'm looking
at how Janice is playing the moment, it's like you
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you know this, Brady and and and those games that
that that those legendary games that Notre Dame would play
against certain opponents. The level and the magnitude of what
that moment presents there, You're either going to rise up
in that moment, either as an individual, collectively or both,
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or you're only gonna have a few rise up and
it's not going to be collective and then you have
to see where where it's going to end up. You're
looking at a a Milwaukee team. This stage is seemingly
too big for the lack of experience being in an
NBA finals, where you're looking at this this Sun's team
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and them with the way Janice is playing through this
injury and as brilliant as he played last evening, You're
looking at a team that has probably the reason being
even though he's never played in a championship round, but
Chris Paul's leadership is probably signing through because this team
seems to be loose, They seem to be confident, and
(07:22):
they seem to be prepared for a moment in time
that well, none of them have ever lived out. So
I think that that's what's playing out right now an
interesting look at. And also Drew Holiday was supposed to
be an addition to help you honest and and help
you know, put them over the edge and not getting done.
And Chris Middleton was supposed to be you know, the
number two so to speak for Janice and that team,
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and and Brady's point, those Calves teams, like the first
one Lebron was on, it literally was all Lebron, there
was there was it was Lebron and like who else
was even? Was it it was Eric snow might I
think of the Sixers with Alan Iverson with those two
teams are always compared because you literally one guy and
then just some supporting cast of nobody you could really remember.
(08:05):
I think Booby Gibson might have been it might have
been another guy. Yeah, and so yeah, so there's you like,
look at that team and then you look at this
morning you go, well, it seems like they've already addressed
these issues, like they've already tried to add around him.
If you're the Milwaukee Bucks, so you gotta be relieved
because at least he already signed the big contract extension.
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Because if these guys, I'm telling you, if these guys
are getting exposed in the finals like this and he
and there, he had the opportunity to leave after this year,
He's got all the leverage in the world you want
to walk because he sees what's happening on the biggest stage.
To LaVar's point, the fact that he's already locked up,
the Milwaukee's gonna be having a sigh of relief right now,
thinking hold on, hold on, these players in the NBA
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can do whatever they want. They have so much power
as far as if he wants to get traded, he
can get traded, like it's not overly complicated to do that.
I actually yeah. You just act like you put on
pounds at you had on eight layers game and act
like you put on a bunch of weight. Then you
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look spelt once you go to Brooklyn. In all seriousness,
this was their window of opportunity. This was their year.
And I'm not writing them off yet because I think
they can play well at home and even the series
the two and two, even though it doesn't look like it.
But the truth of the matter is this was their
window of opportunity. You cannot tell me that next year
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they're gonna be the favorite the East over Brooklyn with
Durant with hardened and Irving back healthy and with that
team maybe even playing better at that point in time
too as a group. So I I just they they
if this plays out how I think we think it might,
where Suns are winning at least in five or six,
this thing is over and and they missed this window
(09:51):
of opportunity. If I'm be honest, I'm as frustrated as
I possibly could be. And I'm not saying this is
gonna lead to him making the decision, if you will,
he takes his talents to South Beach. But the truth
of the batteries, you know, there's a team like Miami,
there's other teams down there who are looking to get
another superstar on their roster so they can make a
(10:11):
run in the East. In particular se I actually think
both these teams. Look whatever happens out in the Western
Conference next year, I mean, let's just call what it is.
Phoenix has been the benefit of injury luck more so
than any team I can ever remember making a run
to a time, whether it's the Lakers in the first series,
(10:31):
Anthony Davis was a shell of himself. Lebron was nowhere
close to Denver was completely gassed. After the run the
bubble the short turnaround, Murray was out, and then they
get the Clippers. Kauahi Leonard was out for that series
and Zoo Bots went out in that series. They had
injuries and now and now, well, I'm just saying like
(10:52):
that that was another that was another star, that was
another remember it I miss I was back. I was
just trying to showcase the fact that I actually Knowledge
got that Knowledge likely pronounced his name, and I just
wanted to shoot at the point. But the point being,
the point being here before I get kicked on the
(11:14):
in the nuts on national radio, the point being they've
Phoenix has gotten every benefit of the doubt. So I
actually it's their opportunity to this is what you're saying,
and whoever doesn't capitalize on this, they're screwed next year.
I actually think this is the the window is closing
after they for a title for both these teams. And
Chris Paul, Yeah, the hold on, don't you think Phoenix though,
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has more of a window with that young group and
the way they shoot. I know, the West is much
more difficult to go through it, I know. And time's
Monty Williams, Notre Dame Guy, Monty Williams, Notre Here's Jonas.
He's talking. He's talking to me Jonas Jonas. Okay, so
that's what he's thinking's going. Wait a second, I'm a
(12:01):
Lakers fan, huge Lakers. Okay, hold on a second. Like
you can, you can say a lot of things that
do not call me a Laker fan. I do my
best to avoid the plague Fox Sports Radio that is
Laker fans that make up this place. I'm doing everything
I can, all right to try and try and make
this thing stay afloat with all the Laker fans and
the negativity around this building. And then I get called
(12:23):
a Laker fan. That is that a line? Well, let
me let you do next, bring up my dead dog?
I mean you heard this story. No, but it's it's
clearly sensitivity, Friday. I just gave ending. Don't worry that.
It's pretty much almost somebody. Somebody's got an exposed cavity
in their mouth right now and the coffee has hurt them,
(12:44):
hit the nerve. What what you got going on? Man?
What tell us about the dog? You know, I'm all
about the end. What do you mean he died? It
was years ago, but Brady Lake, it was eleven years ago.
Was not eleven years ago? Where you got where you
got super close, where your best was a girl? A girl?
Was it a boy print tattooed on my arm? Not? No,
(13:08):
it's true. I'm looking at it right now showing he
has his Paul print? Was it? So? What was it
like a bulldog or some Yeah? You think that's a
big all right, it's a mascot of the Cleveland ground.
I'm into that's probably a tattoo you don't regret, right, Oh,
what do you think it's covered? He has given him
the biggest Brady Hey Brady. He did put a tattoo
(13:29):
around the Paul print though, But yeah, I mean that's
kind of that's kind of dope, though, I guess. I mean,
I've I've owned some dogs they've passed on. I've never
felt compelled to get them see his own. Some people
make mistakes of bar I. I don't think everybody. I
wonder what Phoenix Here's here's a betting situation here, what
(13:51):
Phoenix Sun will get the Phoenix Suns logo tattooed on
them if they win the championship. That's a good point.
When I was going to do it, that's a really
good point. It was gonna do it. It It won't be
Chris Paul because it'll be gone. Let's see who who
would be the first. But Chris Paul doesn't seem like
the tattoo type. Well there, there's there's some talk that
he's not gonna be back, that he's gonna ask for
(14:12):
a massive amount of money and they're gonna go he
you know, well, well, we'll let him, We'll let him walk.
It doesn't seem like h like that's the long term there.
But yeah, Phoenix Sun, that would get a son's tattoo.
I don't know. We can go down the roster and
break that down. But and I think, you know, what
we did just now is really do a deep dive
recap in to gain one of the NBA Finals like
(14:33):
no other show than well, here's the here's the finishing off,
here's the finishing touches. There was not one other Milwaukee
Buck that broke twenty points in an NBA finals what
could be considered and I note, listen, I knowpe, this
is like dragging your fingers down a chalkboard and a
(14:55):
must win gang too. There were no other Milwaukee Bucks
players that showed up and put in the points and
the work that Jannis did. And that's said because this
is an opportunity. This is when you become the star.
This is when you become a household name. You don't
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want to become a household name in infamy. You want
to have fame and fortune and status, right and Milwaukee,
those those players are missing that opportunity. And that's you know,
I think that that's kind of set when you got
a guy with the caliber that Janice is walking around
on a slinky uh, and those guys aren't showing up finals.
(15:40):
Lebrod had to deal with this year though, right, Yeah,
he didn't have much help once. It's a d sort
of dealing with injuries. Yeah, but you know what, tough balls.
You want to build a roster, you get what you deserve. Sorry, Pale,
I'm not gonna feel bad for him, all right, Brady
Quinn olavar Arrington, Jonas knocks. That's I'll kick the coverage
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I saw what you did there. I'll see what you
did there. A referenced a referenced Friday coming into the show.
I see what you did. I appreciate you listening to me, man,
I hope, yeah, out there listening to us. So I
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Brady Quinn, LaVar Arrington, Jonas knocks here on fs ARE
we're going to get into a discussion that has changed
football with a couple of real experts on the matter.
We will get to that here coming up in just
a moment from now. All Right, how we feeling about
we are? What? What are we in a little over
a weekend to name image likeness in the n c
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a A. You're seeing more and more deals get done.
It's it's not the It's almost like free agency where
it was really hot and heavy, some big names, a
lot of moving and shaking in the first couple of days.
But it's slowed down a little. But there are still
players out there that are agreeing to certain things. Um So,
a week into it, how are we feeling about the
the potential uh impact name image and like this is
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having on college football? Because I don't know if people
know there's not Brady quinnin labar Arrington massive stars at
the college football level. Just ask them, they'll tell you.
So what I mean, we did it? I mean, hey, Brady,
I'm I know about. I'm not going to apologize that
I had a brilliant college career. I know that. How
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about that. Whether people remember it or not is another story,
But in my own mind it went pretty well. No,
I mean, I'm not even gonna I'm not really sure
why that matters to Jonas. Outside of it, it does
play into like how we would have handled name, image,
likeness like these guys are now. I think it's such
a different landscape because of social media and the following
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you can build. I don't want to say in an instant,
but let's be real, and I'm sure you've seen this
LaVar when a kid commits to a team, everyone starts
to follow the kid. Some of these kids I talked
to coaches and they'll say this. They'll look at like, well,
what kind of following the team actually has on their
social media accounts? To get a sense for how many
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followers it will give them. I mean, think about that
for a second. The whole thing is a bit absurd.
But Jonas, as you pointed out, we saw this big
wave a lot of news about it, and now we're
not hearing quite as much. And then that's that's not
because there's not deals being made. You know, Phil Knight
and Nike just signed Cabon Thibodeaux, the outstanding pass may
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be the best in the entire country, to a six
figure deal. We don't know what exactly that is, but
he's gonna making at least a hundred thousand dollars on
a deal that the field night with Nike, he's able
to do with them, And and I wish I could
elaborate and like give you more details about some of this,
But the truth is what we've gotten with the Name,
Image and likeness is the wild, wild West. We do
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not know how all this stuff is coming together. I mean,
for example, the President all Right of the commission that's
supposed to govern all this for compliance, he openly said
he doesn't know how to govern any of it because
he doesn't know what rules he's supposed to be forcing
or not. That's a problem, I mean, that's gonna be
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a problem. The president this year is having issues looking
at that. So the truth of the matter is, if
you're a booster and you want to help out your
football program and be a part of Name, image and likeness,
you can and you just to never do that before.
And it's a slippery slope because now you know, do
you think about, like back when we were there, LaVar,
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you had to have a pre existing relationship to someone
if they were gonna be able to give you twenty
bucks for lunch, like you could literally lose eligibility over
twenty bucks. Over twenty bucks, I'll tell I'll give you
worse one than that. I we have a I've done
a program where we helped kids and we mentor kids,
and at one point we were assisting young men in
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Nigeria and they were coming here and we were getting
them placed in in high schools. One of the kids
that we had, we had camps worldwide. We discovered these
kids and we brought them here. He had to pay
me for spending a weekend at my house, which he
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always spent weekends at my home since he came to America.
He had to pay me a certain sum of money
in order to to keep himself clear in terms of eligibility,
because that was considered to be a benefit that would
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and now think about, he wouldn't even be here if
it wasn't for me, And they're making him pay me
for his stay at my home, which he was staying
at before he even became a prospect that played at
the Division one level. Like that was how weird these
rules have have shown to be so now when you
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think about it now, Brady and Jonas, when you think
about what this rule represents. Now, you're talking about if
you have, like if you have any type of aspirations
of being a money manager, of being a handler, which
handlers is so rampant. If you understand this landscape right now,
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handlers are rampant, and they come in all shapes, sizes,
and forms. It could be a mom, It could be
an aunt, It could be an uncle, It could be
a cousin. It could be a brother. It could be
a best friend, it could be a family friend. It
could be someone that that teaches you at school. It
could be your finance teacher at school. It could it
can be anyone. The game is now changed in the
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sense that any and every single person out here can
try to connect themselves to talent. And here's where it
gets super interesting, guys. The battle ground is not the
college athlete. It's the high school athlete. Let me blow
your mind, it's the middle school athlete. They are going after.
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These people are going to attach theirselves for these business
opportunities that are going to benefit these schools as benefiting businesses.
They are going to go attached to eighth graders, seventh graders,
ninth graders, tenth graders. Now, you tell me what comes
out of that? How do you govern that? Right? Well,
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and that's that's where you can't. And honestly, it's been
going on forever. It's been going on forever because you know,
much like we saw with the basketball cases in regards
to Adidas and how they got popped from giving players
extra benefits, the truth of the matter is au basketball
and the recruiting of kids in junior high has started
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for a long time and it's been that way in football.
But we never address or talk about it because again
there's a ton of players. You know, there's probably even
more so that don't necessarily pan out because I think
so much has to do with your you know, your
physical size and how you develop and if you can
be that four force you know, forty guy. Um. But
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but the truth of the matter is that's been going
on for a while now. I mean Adida has had
these showcase, these high high school football games that are
these big showcases, and they've been doing this now for years.
And what they do is they go out and they
get these kids free swag. And their whole point is
they're trying to put those little little breadcrumbs. Leave the
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bread crumbs for him. So when they get to school,
they like the Adidas gear. You know what, when they
get the chance to sign a deal in the NFL,
they like the Adida's gear. They're the ones who are
are kind of being, you know, at the forefront of
all that thinking about those younger generations, and the truth
of the matter is you're not gonna be able to
stop it because at that young at that young of
an age, it would be considered a pre existing relationship.
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So so even with the old rules, they would still
would have been allowed. And now with the new rules,
it's just gonna one rampant because if these kids, if
they have any sort of social media falling, Like remember
mc McClung, who's now you end up going to Texas
Tech to play basketball. But he he was a sensation
because he was a little, you know, white boy out
of I forget exactly where his high school was, but
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he could no I'm just saying like he could. He
could throw it down for a kid who was six
foot like he could elevate, throw it down and he
would do these ridiculous dunks and it literally it generated
such a viral or so, you know, social media following
that he could have walking into Georgetown when he first
went there, he could have gotten paid big time from
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N I L and just people advertising on a social
media account that couldn't before. So I think there's still
a lot to be seen with this whole deal, But
you know, it's calmed down to a degree apart because
I think we all realized there are so many athletes
out there. They're not gonna be able to all cash in.
It's gonna be the point zero one percent of college
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athletes that are good enough people are gonna give them
money to do this, are you guys? So when it
comes to the name, image and likeness stuff, there's no
concern about resentment in locker rooms about one guy getting
one deal and another guy in not getting anything. Was
that de Eric King of Miami There was a report
him in Bubba And then then we're gonna be sort
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of spreading out the money they were getting to help
out other athletes and and try and help out other
players in the program. It's just it feels to me
like there there is some dangers with this that maybe
now some people are starting to think all the way through,
but weren't actually thinking about That's that's cute to spread
the wealth around and take care of your teammates. But
let's be clear, those resentment issues are already there if
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if they're going to be there based off of this, right,
Like it's based off of playing time, it's based off
of fame, popularity, respect, how the coaches treat you, whatever
it may be. Those resentment issues always are in locker rooms,
and the idea of it is is how do you
manage them as players with one another? How do you
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manage it as coaches? Coaches in and and trying to
keep everyone together. I always say the more you love
one another as teammates, the better opportunity, a better chance
you have a winning So those issues already exist, you know,
in locker rooms. Brady, Yeah, I don't know that they're
gonna make it any work just because there's there's money involved. Now.
I think a lot of players have kind of realized
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based on you know, their status within the team, whether
they're a captain and people think they should be or
not or just the position that they play like that
that's gonna play a factor in it too. What's your point,
It's always been there, like, there's always gonna be some
guys who are jealous, whether it's a skill position player
who feels like he contributes just as much, or you know,
honestly the position that pretty much at every level, every
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level now probably doesn't get enough attention or credit for
what they do. Running Backs now, at least in the
in the NFL, when those offensive linemen get there, they're
getting paid. Okay, you're talking yeah, well no, no no, but
I'm just saying in general, like at every level, even
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though office and lineman never get enough appreciation, but at
least they get compensated well at the next level. Even
at the next level, running backs aren't making that's the
money that other positions are, and so they're not appreciated
in college, they're not appreciated in the NFL. It seems like,
you know, they're the lowman. So if anyone should be resentful,
it's probably running backs. But the reality is, you know,
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this has always existed. You know, the interesting thing about
talking about how all of these benefits and situations have existed,
I would say, one of the major shifts that in
my opinion, that I would forecast that is going to
come is the ideas surrounding how do you grow your brand?
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See for me being a mentor of of young men
for so long, Seawan Merriman is the first kid I
ever mentored and taught to brand himself, to present himself
in a certain type of way. That's how far back
it goes for me. And it's like the idea of
turning yourself into a a business, an investable business. That's
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going to change, and it's going to change in a
major way. Because now I tell guys all the time,
you don't have to make it to the pros to
be able to leverage what you're doing in the game.
You don't have to. In fact, you don't even have
to be a great player at the college level. So
instead of wasting your time being jealous or upset at
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someone else, figure out how to grow your network, figure
out how to talk to people, be a kind person,
help and assist others, make yourself and dare yourself to
the communities that you're in because for what it's worth,
whether it's your high school community, whether it's your college community,
whether it's both whether you make it to the NFL
and you're not one of those guys that's a mainstream guy.
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With what's taking place now, you can still develop a
brand and an identity that is investable and it doesn't
have to be the star player, doesn't have to be
the recognized, well compensated player to do so. You can
build that good will up and that becomes the vegetable
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piece of what it is that you represent. And I
think that that's going to be the biggest element as
it applies to how I'm viewing this. That can be
the most perspective productive aspect of this naming, image likeness
situation that's going on. God, I just want how much
you guys are ever sit and think to yourself, God,
we could have made so much money. I just so
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much money. Like how many cheers we had. We had
over a hundred thousand people that came to watch our games.
And I'm thinking to myself, I used to think this
when I played. I saw eleven jerseys at such a
rapid clip when I played, eleven T shirts, eleven posters,
eleven calendars of Phil Sims fans. You know, they had
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New York Times with sims On. But just give me
one dollar. Just give me one dollar from each one
of those. Just give me one dollar and imagine what
that would be. Well, I'm just saying but but but
just the thing, you get nothing. So give me one
dollar of how many eleven jerseys that I would see
during the course of a year one like when sports illustrated.
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So you want to think about this, like I was
a four year starter Notre Dame quarterback and really the
first person who brought this to our attention. I had
this conversation with Jonas was we had a sports psychologist
that you know, they come through they talked to us
about it. And he was the first one. Now granted
I did I didn't tell Jonas this. He played football
back at s m U, back before they got the death.
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He had seated all so when he was when he
was looking at me, he was thinking, man, you guys
are getting taken advantage of for the amount of you know,
money you're bringing in out even outside of just what
we were doing on the field. And so he was
the first one that said, you know, at some point,
you know, you might want to come back and try to,
you know, make some money off of how they've made
money off you. And the interesting thing about that is
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I never I valued my education there so much that
I never felt like I was taking advantage of I
really didn't. And I do feel like there's a degree
with all these kids that they're overlooking the fact they're
leaving college. Even if they don't make the NFL, they're
leaving college debt free. They are not going to have
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any debt. And so the n i L money icing
on the cake, you know, the fact that they've got
an education, the n i L money if they can
make it, icing on the cake. But the overall experience too,
and being able to kind of grow as a man
or just as a young human in this world. Man
like that. That stuff you can't replicate. So I never
really took on that approach. Um now looking back on it,
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you know, again, we had a national following. You know,
could could I have made some money? Sure, sure I
could have made some money from it, But the reality
is I probably would have blown some of that money anyway.
It would have would have been a wise investment outside
of just given everything I could back to my family.
And that's that's the hard thing with some of these
kids too. We talked about like Derek King, Bubba Bolden,
bringing that money throughout the locker room. The guys who
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needed some of these kids might be getting insane, like
I'm getting it because my family needs it, Like I'm
passing it back to them because I need to support them.
Brady Quinn, LaVar Arrington, Jonas knocks, and I'll kick the
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get your podcast. Yeah, Jonas and Brady got enough juice
to go around. It's far other side of town and
I get back to the street the radio show. See,
I'll be messing up my bars every once in a while.
Every every once in a while, I mess up whoa, whoa?
Wait for wait a second. We never got an update.
Did you make the turkey legs? No? I didn't. Oh man,
(34:26):
I didn't. Yeah, yeah I didn't. I didn't make it
so much yesterday. But I will, but I will. I'm
gonna go to my in fact shouts out to my
people's Applaza Produce, I go get pass. Yeah. Can you
really taking this name image like this stuff to another
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like that produced T shirt. I gotta tell you they
always in their Michigan fans so that you know. So man,
you know Brady, we can you know, kind of team
up on like that. But but with that being said,
he the owner of the spot, really takes care of me,
like and you'll let me know, all right, I got
I got this in stocker, I got this. Have you
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ever tried making this like it's really a thing for me, man,
I mean, it's really a thing. At some point we
should also talk about your love of you know, Mexican beers.
Big fan of beers, I mean, and and you like
I p a s. Yeah, what are you into, Brady?
Are you into beers? I am irish, so I like
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all alcohol. That's not anything that you could really throw
my way. Yeah, come on, well you take offense to that.
I think I think there's something there that we Yeah,
play the bag pipes with the Ireland and play. I
have no idea what join us was gonna try to
get us to talk about. But can we go back
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to the Sun's tattoo conversation? I just say this so
I did want to get into a discussion about something
that could happen in the NFL that could completely have
changed last weekend, our last seat. We will be getting
into that in ten minutes from now. I promise you
we will pay that tease op. Ten minutes from now. Uh,
these Phoenix Suns player to most likely to get a tattoo,
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I'm gonna go, Uh, Frank Kaminsky, that's gonna be mine. Yeah,
why I don't because it's the first guy I could
think of. I have no idea who cares, cares is
most important? That's that's that's the one. Um. Look, Tori
Craig has a fair amount of tattoos, so maybe he
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would be more likely to get another. The only issue
is is this year he played for both the Bucks
and the Suns. In fact, if you go on NBA
dot com and you look up the Sun's roster, it's
actually a photo of him in a Bucks jersey. So
I think he would be likely to get one, and
and maybe he's not gonna have another chance or opportunities
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somewhere else to get one. So I'm gonna go with
Tory Craig just giving the amount of tattoos he already has,
it wouldn't be that much to add one. More like,
if you were regretting it, which I don't think you would,
you could hide it amongst all the rest of his tattoos.
I'm going with Cameron Payne. Oh, I like that. By
the way, I love Cameron. He's very he's very colorful. Um,
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he's probably gracious as hell, right, Like, he's not even
in the league. His ass off every single game. You
watch that guy he's all over the but think about it,
he was not in the league. He was overseas. He
gets this opportunity to come back. Not only does he
come back, but then he has an impact. So in
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this moment of time, they win a championship. That's something
you can never take away from him. You know, they
call what they call him the dancing squirrel or whatever
they call him. What is that? I don't know. They
call him the dancing man or something. He's got a
nickname because he's him. And and what Russell Westbrook or
somebody that you used to dance like? He still does.
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He dances before the games all the time, Like, look
it up. This is a real thing. So he's a
colorful personality. He's he's like I said, he's probably happier
than than a clam that he's He's in the NBA
finals from where he started. You know, the the year
and the idea of it is like man like to
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commemorate what this moment in his life represent it, it
would be Cameron Pitt. Look at that. Did you see
an argument? I picked Frank Kaminsky just because I thought,
all right, well who who who feels guilty about not
stepping up. When Pat Beverley shoved Chris Paul in the back,
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Jake Crowder just walked by too, like hey, hey, puts
on them. And I thought Jay Crowder is like a
tough dude, like he was ready to get it on
and stuff like that. And I don't know, I thought
Jay Crowder was should have done a little bit more.
He was right there to push them. That's that's not
this NBA. Yeah, that is not this era. What's that
supposed to be? That's kind of fighting words from a
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QB man. I'm just the guys don't These guys don't
want to heat like they're not trying to get in
fights another. People don't realize that Brady was a thug man.
He wasn't. Well you can't. All right, let's go, let's
go live. I've got a question on The Sun's player
to get a tattoo insider Danny G for the Latest Danny. So,
(39:31):
if management was crazy enough to put you guys in
this spot full time, would any of the three of
you get a show logo tattoo? Hell, yeah, I do it.
I'm not come on, just depend on what the name
of the show. Yeah, come on, I would do it.
Why not well, Yeah, listen, you can't get worse than
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the two tattoos I've got. So, I mean I just
saw that that that first one, and I don't want
to say it was just Irvan. Could you could have
went to a better artist to get tell me about it, man,
I trust me. Like this is old school, like streak
it at at your sketch, streak it through the class,
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just tracing it. I hear about he's doing it. Jonas,
He's LaVar, Eric Titt, He's Brady Quit, I'm Jonas Knocks.
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