07/25/2024 – Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, UCLA HS DeShaun Foster delivers the worst introductory presser of all time. Jonas and Brady weigh into the NBA’s new TV deal and TNT’s legal rebuttal. TheMMQB Senior NFL Reporter, Albert Breer joins the guys from the start of his Training Camp Tour to talk Hold Outs, Hold Ins and more!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with LaVar Arrington and Brady Quinn and Jonas Knox
on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. No, LeVar Arrington
suspended for peds the heavy usage getting ready for the season,
and he will not be on the show. By the way,
he did send a video to a video to us
late last night stuck in an airport an hour and

(00:35):
a half late from whatever their departure time was. So
the travel woes on this show continue here on Fox
Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
So I don't tell you what man it has been.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
It's been such a hassle lately trying to fly with
everything that's transpired from that crowd strike, whatever happened to be.
I don't know if you believe in the fact that
of what they say happened or the conspiracy theories, but somehow,
I mean, weeks later, you're still getting all these flights
that are impacted from that.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
I mean, even people who are at Big ten media.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Days here in Indianapolis have talked about how their flights
have been impacted by that It's like, dude, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Like a week or week or so ago.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
I looked at someone the other days and yeah, it's
kind of like remember during COVID.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
It all it's the supply chain. It's the supply chain.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Like no one can order a couch because somehow, someway
it fell off one of those gigantic tankers in the ocean.
You get a photo and saying, oh, your couch was
in there. Like now that's what every single persons saying
with their flight. They're saying, oh, it's the crowd strike.
It's like, dude, that was an excuse. I was like
a week ago, and somehow it's still playing an effect

(01:47):
on everyone's travel out there.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I love the go to excuses from companies. That's my
favorite part. Like Lee sent me over some link about it,
because remember we talked briefly about just how you get
to certain places. And they'll say, oh, you know, can't
make you that it's broken. Yeah, I don't know what
it is. You know, we had a shortage. Like they'll
just come up with some excuse apparently. Like one of
the big ones is McDonald's, like their mcflurry machine is

(02:10):
always broken, Like it's always a bunch of crap, and
there's always some backstory that never makes sense, and it
generally is because somebody's lazy and just doesn't want to
do it. But yeah, those are the good old days
of COVID man. You ordered something, you just never got it.
And nowadays, apparently when you go to have a flight
and you go to get there on time, it just
doesn't depart on time, and it sucks and it just

(02:31):
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tire buying should be. So, as you mentioned, Brady, you
are on are at Indianapolis for Big Ten media days,
and I feel like a lot of people have made
an impression on the Big Ten. You know, maybe no
one so much as Deshaun Foster. Maybe not anybody that's

(03:15):
done it as well as he's done it. But were
you in the room when he made his opening statement
two members of the media, or did you just catch
whim of it and what was the discussion there boots
on the ground in Indy.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
So I was not in the room when he made
the statement. However, I did catch wind of it, and
it was drawn to my attention when I actually saw
him and his group later on, and it looked like
they were having a hard time navigating through the halls
there in Indianapolis under Lucas Oil Stadium. So maybe that

(03:51):
was somewhat of an indication as to the lack of
preparation for this event, the lack of preparation for an
opening statement. It looked as if he was just speaking
off the cuff. I mean, I think if you're someone who,
which he admitted this later on, doesn't like speaking in public,
like maybe have someone write one down for you, you know,

(04:12):
maybe have someone write a few sentences that you're going
to read off for your opening statement instead of having
that happen.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
So either way, it.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
Was it sent a message as everyone's curious what's going
to happen with four new teams coming from the West
Coast into the Big Ten, and UCLA seems to be
a bit of an afterthought given you know how everything
that's transpired in the off season, I mean Schip Kelly
leaving as their head coach as a head coach to
go become an offensive coordinator at Ohio State.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
There's a lot of people who feel.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Like it gives you a bit of an indication as
to how it seemed like Ohio State operates, or Michigan
or Penn State as compared to a school like UCLA,
and it makes you concerned about UCLA's ability to remain
competitive within this conference.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
So here was the opening statement from Deshaun Foster, and
if you are a fan of awkward exchanges, this is
right up there near the top of the list.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Hi, guys, doing.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
I'm happy to be here, glad to be a part
of this great conference, finally putting two great emblems together,
UCLA and a Big Ten. We're a school that's won
what one hundred and twenty three championships, so this fits
us being right in this conference.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Football wise, which is excited.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
You know, I'm sure you guys don't know too much
about UCLA, but our football program, but we're in LA,
it's us in usc.

Speaker 6 (05:58):
We I'm just basically excited. Really, that's it. Main questions.

Speaker 7 (06:16):
Into second.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
All right, Yeah, it was tough.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
I'll put it this way. It was the one thing
you didn't want to do.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
If it was if you're a first time head coach,
your school's first time being in a conference, this is
your moment to really get a sense for, oh, what's
the direction of this program? And especially after as I
mentioned Chip Kelly leaving to become an offensive coordinator instead
of a head coach somewhere else, it did not send
the right message to what I would deem to be
the best, you know, biggest, most wealthy conference in college football.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
So I've got a couple of different bailouts for Deshaun
Foster here. I want to try surprise, Okay, so listen,
because I want to try and defend him. I'm gonna
throw a couple of different options at you, and you
let me know what you think of either of these
and whether or not either of these dogs hunt on
this excuse for Deshaun Foster with whatever the hell that

(07:11):
was yesterday, big ten media days. All right, Option number one, Listen,
he's uh, he just froze up. It happens. I don't
know if you recall the first time you ever had
to speak in public. I can recall the first time
I ever had to do a hit live for a
radio station out here in southern California and completely crap myself.

(07:33):
It was terrible. It was an abomination. I can't believe
they even asked me back. It was just awful, God awful,
can't even put it into words. Embarrassing, all of that.
It was right up there with Deshaun Foster. It was
live on the air. Terrible. Do you buy any of
that as an excuse for what happened yesterday?

Speaker 6 (07:54):
No?

Speaker 4 (07:55):
I think you can't freeze. You know, that is something
that's real. I think when I've done public speaking before,
when I've kind of lost my train of thought, or
you've gone off done a separate you know, maybe not tangent,
and you've lost where you want to get back to.
But that comes down to preparation. That comes down to
either the practice behind it, or having an opportunity to

(08:18):
then go back, look at a note or look at
what you've written down to get back on track. So
even a moment where something like that has happened, and
that's happened to me, like I've still been at least
able to look back at something and say, oh, okay,
let me get back to this.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
He had nothing. I mean looking up there, he was
woefully prepared.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
There wasn't like a backup plan in the case this happens.
And what to go back to the Other point is,
he said openly afterwards, it's like, I'm not really a
big talker. Okay, you knew this date was coming, you
knew you had to make an opening statement. If you're
not a big talker, have some sort of statement written
out there for you. I almost look at their id

(09:00):
and the people behind the scenes that are part of
his staff to blame as much, if not more than him,
because if that is indeed why he's hired to be
the football coach and recruit and all that good stuff,
well then that's your job to help prepare for something
he's not good at instead of living him walk up
there with nothing.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
So I don't buy that excuse. Okay to me, that
to me screamed of just being unprepared.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
All right, here's option too. He's not used to seeing
that many people in the media days. All Right, he
comes from the PAC two. All right, Nobody goes to
those events. Nobody gives a rip about the PAC twelve,
so much so that they've dissolved into two teams left
that are going to be battling it out for some
conference title game that's probably going to happen at a
Chuck E Cheese somewhere, because it's like nobody gives a

(09:49):
rip about anything going on in the PAC twelve or two,
or whatever you want to call it. He gets up
there and he goes, Hold on a second. I'm used
to playing small coffee shop gigs. Next thing you know,
I'm playing a full arena. I'm not accustomed to this.
This is bizarre. What the hell am I doing here?
And maybe that led to some of the uncomfortable moments.

(10:10):
Are you buying that at all?

Speaker 4 (10:12):
That's more believable, okay, And it's more believable for this reason.
I've been to the old Pack twelve media days back,
even at its height, when you would get, you know,
the best gift probably from any media day conference event.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
I mean, that was the one thing.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
You left the Pack twelve with a nice dinner and
a really nice gift. But to your point, it wasn't
even close to the same as far as the feel
for the amount of media and the attention they're just
to paint the picture Lucas Oil Stadium. You're down on
the field, they have a just gigantic backdrop and out
in front of you are I would guess, hundreds of

(10:50):
people who are sitting there at tables in front of you,
waiting to ask questions, waiting to kind of take notes
and write stories based on every little thing you say.
It's a very very different feeling to it. And there's
a radio row that's back beyond that where the players
go through, the coaches go through, so the entire field
is filled with media folks, and then you go back

(11:12):
through this kind of gauntlet or maze of rooms where
you know Fox is there, CBS is there, NBC is there,
ESPN is there, and they've all got their their various
rooms where they're doing something.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
The big ten network is there. It's it's a it's
a bunch of.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Different commitments for the day and they knocked out content
with you your players. So it could be a gauntlet
to go through, but that that can feel a bit daunting,
So that's more believable from at least my experience being
in the PAC twelve media days, that definitely didn't feels
as legit as this.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Oh man, by the way, what was the gift? I've
heard you and Petro's talk about it, like what would
they give you a PAC twelve media days? You get
a nice dinner and then like an iPad.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
Really they used to have the Yes, they used to
have like some sweet gifts, But you kind of knew
the PAT twelve was maybe taking a step back as
things dwindled through the years.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Also, you went from iPad to like iPod, like two years, like.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
An iPod, You go like an iPad to like a
neck pillow for traveling.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Oh it's sweet. And let me tell you something. You
go to one of those Hudson News things in the airport.
Those are like twenty five bucks. So that's not bad. Yeah,
I mean I would.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Say, consider the standard this set. I wasn't looking for that.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Also, I'll put I'd like to say this neck pillows
used to be a fan of them. They just don't
work anymore for me. I don't I don't fall asleep
with them. It doesn't happen Like I get on the
airplane and I'm like I could fall asleep right then
and there. AI neck pillow just feels too obstructive. That's
usually gonna sit.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
You're not really one to give an opinion. You fly
like twice a year.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Hold on a second. But but I've flown before, and
I've purchased neck pillows, so I know the difference between
a quality neck pillow and to us like.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Frequent flyers, then somebod who's done it once before for
their life, and now all of a sudden, you're an
expert opinion.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
What do you mean? I got a I got like
a rewards count with the Southwest. I think I think
it's lying around somewhere.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
You probably do based on your trips to Chicago to
go trace back your your ancestry.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
They watch the.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Cubs lose, Just get to get to Midway and then
figure it out from there. You know, the dicey Dragon.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Exact same thing last time I went through Chicago.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah. By the way, do you prefer Midway over O
hair a little easier?

Speaker 3 (13:28):
That's a tough question because mid Midway has less options.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
Basically, you know you're flying Southwest, You're going to Midway
and is easier. But there's something about ohair that's kind
of nostalgic to me.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
You know, you've got.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
The scene from you know, uh, Home Alone, so that
that always kind of feeds into my memory of like, hey,
this is where they were running through the airport.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, there's also yeah the flags.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
It's just I don't know something about it, and I've
had some some fantastic weather delays there that have cost
me to be stuck there and actually had some good times.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah, it's it's a fun time at O'Hare or Midway.
So I can't recommend it enough.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
We should bring up this one point.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
I mean, what happened with this Deshaun Foster that didn't
impact anything for the upcoming season.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Did it?

Speaker 2 (14:12):
The fact that somebody and you found this and Brad
Power's former Fox Sports radio host, great guy loves college
football and follows it religiously. The fact that people saw
that opening press conference and said, do you know what,
that's enough to fade UCLA against Hawaii week one is

(14:32):
astonishing to me. The fact that the line moved off
week one, just that's how bad that press conference was
and that meeting with the media was that the line
moved week one against Hawaii.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
What the half a point half a point immediately after.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
So there, what a thirteen point favorite I think I.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
Saw yeah, And now it's dropped to twelve and a half,
maybe even lower now depending on the aftermath. But it's
funny though, even though we're making a joke of it,
it does lend to the thought of, well, if he
can't speak well in front of a group like that
for an opening statement to kick this thing off, how

(15:15):
is he in front of the team, Like, what's it
gonna be like before their first game.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
He's just not gonna say much.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
I mean, I'm not saying you're you're gonna win the
game with a pregame speech in the locker room, but
there is an element of leadership that comes along with
that and firing the team up. You know, maybe that's
just not his thing, maybe he delegates that to someone else,
but it does exude this kind of well, he wasn't prepared.
If he's not prepared for this, what do you think
it's gonna look like once they get on the field.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
I mean, I would say also not to get in
the weeds on you know how teams are gonna look
early in the season, But do you feel better about
a team going into their Week two, facing a team
starting the season with their Week one, like basically a
team that's already had a game to play, Do you
feel better about how they're going to go into the

(16:03):
game as opposed from a rough standpoint, because Hawaii is
going to be already have a game under their belt.
They're opening up with Delaware State, and so a week
later they're gonna get UCLA. They've already got a game.
And now you're seeing the coach melt down in front
of you know, forty five people at Big ten media days, Like,
maybe there is something to that. So maybe people factor

(16:24):
that into the whole line and why that line moved
a little bit just saying if you want to get in.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
The week, Yeah, no, there's something to that. Like I
said this with a few other coaches.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
You go through the schedules for some of these teams,
I mean Southern Calf for example, I believe they I
think they open with LSU.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
I mean it's just it's a rough road. Like in
college football, there's no pregame versus a preseason.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
Well, you're not playing these two or three preseason games
whatever it's gonna be in the NFL one day to
get you a sense of maybe where you're at, or
have an idea with some of your some of your
teams in operations, things of that nature, like especially if
you have a tough Week one matchup, you go right
into it. And you know coaches in college football talking
about that all the time. There was a reason why
for a lot of teams that are in conferences, they

(17:11):
play three kind of cupcakes usually to give them a
sense of where they're at by the time they get
to the conference conference.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Games Week four and all.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
That's changed as TV networks have one and ten broadcast
better non conference games, bigger non conference games during the
the beginning of the season, and that's played a factor
in all of it. So I think you're onto something there.
I mean, Hawaii is gonna have one under their belt.
And if you're a betting man, I would take the
I would I take the twelve and a half points.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Oh you like it, liking those boys, But I will
say this, LSU opens the season. Are you surprised that
they're only a six point favorite against USC? I know
it's in Vegas, so it's at a neutral site, but
only a six point favorite against USC with what seemingly
feels like a daunting task this year for the Trojans.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
No, both teams have questions, and I think there's a
lot of questions around how improved it Southern cal defense
can be coming off what has been two dismal years.
And I'm sure we'll get into Lincoln Rilly, who, Look,
this is the most open I've ever seen Lincoln Riley
in regards to a lot of things, which I'm sure
there'll be different opinions about that, but they went to

(18:23):
address the defense. They've done that again through the transfer
portal and with their coaching staff, so they feel like
they're a much better spot. I think Miller Moss is
a quarterback who from the one game starting sample size
played incredible in the Holiday Bowl. Now that wasn't necessarily
the same Louisville team that we saw during the season,
who mightily fell off, but still nonetheless a huge performance.

(18:45):
So you know, if they keep that offensive momentum, improve
on defense, you know, USC could be a team that
competes and LSU has got a new quarterback and Garrett
nuss Meyer. He's replacing Jane Daniels, and there's some questions there.
They obviously have lost some players to the NFL. So
it's it should be a close matchup. I think it's
that's a fair line for a week one matchup with

(19:06):
so many other notes.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Man, right around the corner a month away, we're gonna
get fully loaded college football on Labor Day weekend. I
can't wait.

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Speaker 2 (20:30):
So, do we want to put a ball on this
NBA TV rights deal fiasco that's going on with Warner Brothers,
Discovery and Amazon and apparently they're going to take them
to court. Now do we want to? Do you have
any more?

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Indiana?

Speaker 4 (20:43):
I think it makes sense to I mean, instead of
maybe just giving it two minutes a segment.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
You know, I'm not sure who made that decision.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
But I mean it was just probably a clockworked against this.
Yeah it happens, right, Yeah, it happens to me.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
It wasn't like there was a rundown change. Was there
behind the scenes, someone thought that'd be a better idea.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
We need room, redline or live got to play the hits?

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Yeah, yep, maybe maybe we can.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
We'll get to the hold and hold out at some
other point in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
So tell me, what do you know? What what is there?

Speaker 4 (21:11):
What's the legitimate case is the fact that I'm sure
within their agreement they had a right to match whatever
offer was presented. Now why they went after and specifically presented,
you know, Amazon's offers is kind of interesting because it
appears that that's the one they're targeting the most.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
So I'm not sure as to the specifics.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
But with most of these deals, if you have the
rights to it, there's various negotiating periods, and there should
have been a negotiating window in which T and T
Warner Brother Discovery had the opportunity to match what offers
out there. The most fair points you bring up is
maybe something that you read the notes. But that being said,
it was, you know, does the NBA want to have

(21:52):
a platform that involves streaming? In most cases, it probably
shouldn't matter. They would just go to the highest bit.
But look at the NFL. They've brought on Amazon, they've
hat Netflix. Now who's involved, and it's a desire to
not only increase revenue but also start a partnership with
streaming services that may very well be how we all

(22:14):
consume that sport ten twenty years down the road.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
We're not there yet.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
And that's the hard part is as much as we
want to act like streaming is a huge piece of
all this, it's still not bigger than any of these
TV networks and their ability to broadcast linear television, so
that still is king for now. But teams are making
the inroads for streaming services, and streaming services have deeper pockets,
they've got a lot more cash on hand. So that

(22:41):
being said, there is something to maybe wondering why the NBA,
who has had such a long partnership with TNT wouldn't
want to continue that relationship. And if they do want
to start off to have new relationships with Amazon, to
have streaming and kind of build out that portion of
their viewership, why is it then that Warner Brothers, you know,

(23:03):
did TNT ends up being the one that takes a hit.
Why invite back NBC. Why have ESPN ABCP a part
of it, which gets the Lion's share of obviously the
finals games and a lot of the actual share of
the games that we played in the regular season.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
So I want to clear this up. I did not
steal from the notes. I talked about this with Fred
Rogan yesterday when I filled it on the Blowtour JAM
five seventy, and he pointed, okay, that.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
No one here in the Midwest knew that or cared
about that.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Well, I'm just saying, like, I'm just letting people know that.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
He will make sure old people hear a big ten
media day to see if they got your hot take
with Fred road.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
No, no, I'm just letting you know. That's where I got
my information from, not the show notes. All Right, I'm
not going to be accused of being a thief. I've
never stolen anything, Okay, So I just want to clear
that's not true. Well, you're right, But the point is
I also say this, if Barkley is going to be
gone after next year anyways, I don't care. Like to me,

(24:06):
he's the star of that whole thing, Like I love
you Ernie and Kenny and Shack and all that but
when he's not there, it's not the same. And so
if Warner Brothers, Discovery and TNT has got NBA on TNT,
which is really all I care about, if I'm being
honest for the next year, and it's not going to
be the same after that anyways, I mean, what are

(24:26):
we really missing here? I mean, yeah, Amazon could throw
a boatload of cash at him, but Barkley sounds pretty
convinced that he's done after this upcoming season, and so
whatever they try and pull off, he feels like he's
the real star that draws the most people in and
that's really to me where their value is. And with
it all up in the air, I look at it
and I go, if he's already calling it and saying

(24:48):
I'm done after this upcoming season, where they end up
doesn't really matter to me, to be honest with you,
It sucks for the people they sit behind the scenes,
But you know, is what it is.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
My understanding of Barkley stepping down had to do with
this potential rights issue that if the Warner Brothers Discovery
had gotten the rights for the foreseeable future, that Charles
Barkley would work in that position longer. But because they won't,
then the show kind of goes away, and I know
they talked about the different potential opportunities for you know,

(25:21):
Barkley to buy the show and then he essentially, you know,
works with another network to do it. But you know,
when you do something like that, I mean, think about
the undertaking that would be. I mean you're trying to
get everyone behind the scenes and all those different contracts
so you can get the same exact group not only
on camera but behind the camera to be a part
of that. Yeah, I don't know that he wants to

(25:43):
do all of that, and so I think how he's
looking at it is I've worked for TNT. It's been
a great experience. If they're not doing it, I want
to do it. So that's it's a consideration where if
you're the NBA, and I'm like you, I mean, I
always wonder if the NBA is jealous of what tant
Whateverether's Discovery is built.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
It wouldn't surprise me, I swear to God, like they
are the stars, Like I don't. You could put any
game on on a Thursday night, I don't care what
it is, and the game could be crap, Like we've
talked about this like I would rather watch those guys
in the actual game, Like there's some playoff games, I'd
rather watch that show pre halftime post other than the

(26:26):
instead of the game itself. And I do wonder if
there's some env from people in the industry that go,
we don't have that, so if we can't get it,
let's try and destroy it. But that's I mean, that's
where I look at it.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
It feels a little bit like it if I mean,
that's a sickle way of thinking, but it feels a
little bit like that. That's the case here. Either way.
I think it brings up the greater point the NBA
is able to with this new deal, eleven year deal
earn what's seventy six billion dollars, which I still go
back to, outside of the sheer number of games that

(27:04):
you have to put on TV, how does the number
get this big? I mean, have their ratings not been
in decline for years at least through the course of
the regular season. So if the package you're selling isn't
even getting the amount of viewership, how are these networks
paying for this?

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Because they're all sharing.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
In this, None of the models makes sense for any
of these TV networks that are overpaying for live events
and sports, and I know that's king right now, but
it doesn't make any sense as to how they.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Are able to pay the bills for this.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
I mean, unless I'm missing something and someone wants to
point out where their ratings have been increasing.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
For the NBA, which it hasn't been. It hasn't been
the case.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
No, I mean maybe even maybe point to the NBA Finals,
maybe a few different series, but in regards to overall,
there's been a viewership decline best of plateau. So that's
more of like my concern is what's the NBA doing
to grow their viewers and how are these TV networks
going to make any money.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Off of this.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
It's and it's not like for lack of trying. I mean,
it is forced down everybody. I'll say, look, we can
talk about the WNBA and kind of scoff at it.
That actually has grown like that, that has seen an increase,
and that has seen an increase in popularity to where
it feels like the NBA is just it's stagnant at times,
and they can try and make all the in season

(28:24):
gimmicky tournaments they want. I just I think people look
at it and go, Football's king, and we'll address the
NBA when we get to it after the season in February.
And then they start, but by that time, you're months
into the year and you've lost all the potential viewership
you could have gotten, and it just leads to the decline,
and it leads to people, you know, waiting around for

(28:46):
the NFL to start, and then you've got the NFL
Draft and everything else. It just feels like everybody's fighting
for scraps from what the NFL leaves over. By the way,
speaking of the NFL, or just go ahead, sorry about that.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
No, I was just saying to your point, the WAW
as a grown in viewership. But you know, they announced
as part of this deal some of the additional viewing
that will be available too, so I assume it will
continue to grow. I mean, maybe they'll head a plateau
at some point, or maybe people will get fed up
with essentially none of the women being able to support
one another, right, like no one being able to just

(29:18):
to say, hey, we're all trying to build this league.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Let's just be supportive of one another.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
It's like we have to have these heroes, these villains,
these these various takes, But I digress. The one thing
the WNBA knows is they're still going to be getting
money from the NBA year over year to help them
with their private flights and everything else that they've been
you know, so so have to be like so frank
about asking for so there's that's at least healthy for

(29:44):
the WNBA as well.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Now, when you guys are because I do wonder about this,
and you may have touched on this before, but at
Big Noon kickoff, when you guys are looking at sort
of the standard what you want to model the show after,
not that you would steal from it, but do you
look at the NBA on TNT and is the conversation
kicked around how are they doing it like as opposed

(30:08):
to where maybe some of these other studio shows might
have envy towards it, maybe there's an appreciation towards They've
got something there. How do we get to that point?
Like what can we do? Like when you guys were
first starting, because you've obviously grown, your ratings have increased
every single year, you guys have been fantastic. Are they
still where everybody looks at or at least for the

(30:29):
most part, that's what you were hoping to get to
one day, and it's why they've been on for twenty
plus years.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
I would define them as the standard. I think everyone
aspires to be what they are. It's just unrealistic for
a couple of reasons. The first being most producers, most
people who are executives and producers, they just they wouldn't
allow for a lot of the I don't want to
say freelance or improvisation, but I don't know that they

(30:58):
would trust talent to have this stuff build in. You know,
if you look at a rundown and a rundown and
in essence just you know, a sheet that has a
time clock or a time stamp next to every second
of the show. Like producers will fill out every second
of the show and they want to make sure they

(31:18):
have something for it so that nothing goes unaccounted for. Well,
if you were to submit that to your boss, you've
got sections that are blank. They're like, well, what's going here?
Oh well, Charles and Kenny want to talk about something.
You know, there'll be like a five minute segment. They
told us they take care of it. Well, that takes
a lot of trust, trust the talent, trust the producer,
trust the behind the scenes being able.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
To follow what they're saying.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
So if all of a sudden, Charles bark We starts
talking about the stats for the Dallas Mavericks and Luka
Donciz and Kyrie Irving, they need to be ready to
throw that graphic up. They need to be ready to
throw the video up of whatever he's calling for looking for.
So it's a lot more stress behind the scenes, I think,
And also it puts a lot more pressure on those
operating behind the scenes to do their job and listen

(32:02):
to what the show is saying. Now, as an analyst,
I would say that's how the show should be like. Ultimately,
the behind the scenes should always be following what's happening
out there for any show.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
But the truth is it.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
Doesn't work that way because in a corporate America, it
doesn't work that way.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
You've got a.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Boss, you've got someone who's overseeing something else, and they
don't like seeing things that.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Are field in that aren't you know, accounted for at
some point.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
So that's the reality, and that's the number one biggest
issue is there is just there's not necessarily a lack
of trust, but there's just not the ability to freelance
the way they can. And I think the other thing
is is, you know, no one's Charles Barkley, no one's
Kase Smith, no one's Shack, no one's Ernie. I mean,
for as much as we highlight the actual analysts because

(32:51):
they are fantastic in what they do, Ernie Johnson is
a unique coast where he allows for it like he's
the point guard. He's the one who allows for the
conversations to take place or can set them up with
very simple teases. There's no one like Ernie, and there's
not many hosts who are willing.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
To say I could take a step back and say
less and that.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
Helps highlight our show better or or people still appreciate
what I do even though I'm not saying as much
or not doing as much with the ball, like i
might not be scoring, but I'm passing a lot and
that tends to make our show better. So there's that
element too of the way he hosts the show that,
at least in my eyes, it's one of the reasons

(33:35):
why it makes them the best is because he does
stay out of it.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Like how often do you hear Ernie really saying much?

Speaker 4 (33:43):
And you don't because that's not why you tune in
to their pregame show, their post their studio show. You
tune in and tune in and see what the other
guys are gonna say. All studio shows should be the way. Unfortunately,
most hosts don't handle themselves that way.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Damn shots fired.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
I will say this, it's not shots fire.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
It's just the reality of it, you know, Like that's
just the truth of how these shows should be built.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
But they're the hosts.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
And I believe Sports Center for this, Sports Center caused
hosts because of the highlights shows. They have to build
up this this persona that people care what their opinions are.
And I think over time, as we've seen so many
people cycle through ESPN and Sports Center, it's got to
a point where, like there might be certain personalities people
you like. For the most part, no one gives a crap.

(34:30):
You just want to see the highlights. You want to
see what happened in the game. Like, I don't care
what your opinion is on it. I just want to
see the game. If I want to hear an opinion,
bring on someone that did it before that has some
opinion on it. Like that's it's simple. It's not that complicated.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
And now when you mentioned producers giving host the ability
to freelance, that's really I think what separates Lee from
other producers. He gives us that a bilit That's right, Yeah,
we can freelize.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
Dude, Lee is he is as flexible as it gets.
He's like gumpy, I mean that is I mean, Lee,
what is going on? By the way, why did you
not have delivery Wednesday?

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yesterday?

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (35:05):
There's a lot of behind the scenes on that one.

Speaker 11 (35:08):
Uh, to excuse me for the UZ, but Todd got
back from vacation and they had already filled his slot
because they weren't sure if he was going to make
it back in time.

Speaker 7 (35:18):
But I think he had a little bit of personal.

Speaker 11 (35:19):
Business to wrap a bow on. So I'm gonna reconvene
with him today. We're gonna do a little delivery Thursday.
We won't technically be receiving kegs or anything like that,
but we're gonna do a little Uh we're tynest.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Go back over what what delivery wednesday really means? Like, yes,
why could he not?

Speaker 12 (35:40):
So?

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Does he work somewhere he as a bar back or something.

Speaker 7 (35:43):
Well, he's the kJ He's the karaoke.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Disc jockey kids.

Speaker 11 (35:50):
Right, Well, he's not serving the alcohol, so he's there
on Wednesdays to receive said kegs so that the bartenders
can show up and have everything ready receive eved package delivered,
all that stuff. So everything from kegs to the liquor beers,
all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
What are these kegs delivered everywhere.

Speaker 7 (36:08):
From eleven am to five pm?

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Okay, But he doesn't he doesn't have to work until
what time?

Speaker 11 (36:17):
Well, that particular on Wednesdays, he doesn't work that day,
so that is the that is his shift. But normally
he doesn't. He normally he doesn't work until seven pm
till two am.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Okay, So it's considered his shift because he's there receiving.

Speaker 7 (36:32):
The alcohol, correct, amundo, and then he.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Just partakes and drinking the alcohol. Yes, is this known
by whoever owns this establishment.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Let's not bury the lead here. He samples the goods.

Speaker 7 (36:44):
Yeah, we gotta.

Speaker 11 (36:44):
That's the point, both me and him connoisseurs making sure
everything is ready to go.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
I mean, I'm sure ownership really appreciates the fact that's
a keg mist.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Sample the entire time.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
By the way, the owner noticed in something Wednesday feels
a little light for some reason.

Speaker 11 (37:02):
By the way, the owners the owner's name is Todd,
also fan of the show, Hey Todd.

Speaker 7 (37:08):
So that gets confusing for some people. Todd and Todd.
But Todd and Todd and I have an agreement.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
Here's I am more interested in meeting the other Todd
that owns it. I am talking to your Todd.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Here's here's the other part that should be pointed out.
So you mentioned you guys are going to get together.
What movie you watching it? What terrible movie you guys watched?

Speaker 11 (37:28):
Adpool and Wolverine? I said, verse Wolverine. It's Deadpool and Wolverine?

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Is that it? Are you guys going to see it
back to back or is it going to be one showing?
And that's good enough. One is good for me today?
All right? So how many cocktails at Margaritaville before you
guys should walk into the movie.

Speaker 7 (37:42):
That's a good question. We're actually not going to city
Walk today.

Speaker 11 (37:45):
We're going to another venue. But I can give you
an answer already, have it in text form. Picking him
up at twelve to one o'clock one or two, You
knowing Todd, he won't roll out until two. We'll have
a flask ready, we'll have a six pack ready, we
got we got some we got some personal business to

(38:07):
get to. So we're probably gonna put down the equivalent
the equivalent of the equivalent of three or four rounds
before this movie.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
And then.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
It's just just a level of social life.

Speaker 10 (38:23):
I can't even conferend, like, you know, I'll business that
you have to get through.

Speaker 11 (38:28):
You know, he's going through a little bit of a
heartbreak right now, so riverside, So you know that means
maybe a little harder, maybe an extra round or two
before that.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Okay, here's what does this have to do with you.

Speaker 7 (38:42):
I'm the best friend, dude. You don't you never helped
a buddy with going through a heartbreak.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
You said, we are going through something. He is going
through something. You were not going through a Breakoup.

Speaker 7 (38:51):
I think I said, he like, it's just we're all
we're all heartbroken.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
It's a social life. I literally you can't even can't
even comprehend, like you know what you know what I'm
doing later today, I'm taking my son to t ball.
Leave's hiding a flask to go into a movie theater.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
I can't even by the way, how you hide the
six pack like, how are you getting that in there?

Speaker 13 (39:14):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (39:14):
That you just go for right before you take three piece?
You roll up with that and you just you smash
it on the ground right in front of the ticket taker.
You're like boom, good to go.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Really, so is that like your your sacrifice beer? Like
we can't take these in, but meanwhile you got a
flask in your pocket. Depends what you're feeling.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Okay, did you say you usually go with like a sacrifice,
so like it throws them off?

Speaker 11 (39:40):
Like that was probably, Well that's yeah, that's when you're
going into a full venue, like a three hour game
or something like that, where you're you're partaking, where you're
you're on the field with the with your team. Yeah,
you would, where you gotta picnic. You got a picnic basket,
a picodic basket.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
I mean that is that is a brilliant strategy.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
I mean, if you think about like a security person,
that's why Oh okay, that's it's not there's no way
they're packing anything extra.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Meanwhile, it's that's a completely least plan.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
He's drinking it, drigging a beer, trigging it some before
Oh yes, sir, I'll throw this away.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Meanwhile, he's got a flask stuck to his side.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
He's got it. He's got a twenty two of Oduel's
and he's like, ah, room of my day. Meanwhile, he's
got Evan Williams to the brim and a flask by
his ankle. He's gonna walk in with that's listen, don't
I don't want to hear anybody accuse you of not
thinking ahead. That's that's bs all right.

Speaker 8 (40:28):
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Speaker 2 (40:40):
Right now, he is Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter, lead
content strategist at the MMQ Bar. Get him on Twitter
at Albert Breer ab As the training camp tour started, yet,
what are we looking at?

Speaker 12 (40:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (40:52):
Yeah, yeah, In fact, you guys just woke me up
because I'm on the West coast. Oh probably not from you, Jonas.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Yeah, we feel we feel so bad for you, Albert.

Speaker 12 (41:02):
I know, I know, I know, I'm really taking one
for the team today.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
All right, So, which are you an ox start or
where you at right now?

Speaker 12 (41:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (41:10):
I know I'm in I'm in West l A. But
I went to Chargers yesterday. I was with the Raiders
the day before. We'll be with the Rams today. There
are five teams, as you guys know out here, so
then Cowboys on Friday and Saints on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Okay, most impressive team so far that you've had a
chance to to take a look at.

Speaker 12 (41:32):
Out that I've seen.

Speaker 13 (41:34):
Yes, I would say the Chargers were more impressive than
the Raiders. Raiders practice just visited with.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Do you see any babies being born?

Speaker 13 (41:42):
No, no baby is born yet.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
I mean yeah, I was gonna say, like, how's that
land with you? You're Ohio state guy? Seeing uh coach
get all that love from Charger fans.

Speaker 12 (41:54):
It's great to see him in the NFL.

Speaker 13 (41:56):
I'm all for it.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
I mean, that's it.

Speaker 12 (42:00):
Like I mean, so, I mean, I like, it's uh,
you know what, Honestly, guys like like I he it was.
It was.

Speaker 13 (42:12):
It was really interesting seeing him back in an NFL
context and seeing how happy he is back in pro football.

Speaker 12 (42:18):
And you know, I remember like.

Speaker 13 (42:22):
The way that he was perceived leaving the Niners in
twenty fourteen and how that perception has changed. And you know,
I like it was interesting to see after after the
way the Niners were when he left and kind of
from of the turmoil that that that take place there,
seeing how the Chargers are in complete lockstep now and

(42:43):
how excited everybody is to have them there, and how
the players are behind him. And I think that was
the case of the Niners too, from as far as
the players went. But you know, it's just it's it's
it's it feels like he's re entering the league in
a different context.

Speaker 12 (42:59):
At least no way he's perceived then he left.

Speaker 13 (43:02):
It, you know, ten years ago so or nine years ago.

Speaker 12 (43:05):
So, Like I I think you know what you're going
to see as a team.

Speaker 13 (43:09):
That looks a lot like you know, the teams that
he's had over the years at Stanford, San Francisco and Michigan.
And I think the sort of buy in at least
it at least looks like he's getting right away there
should help facilitate getting that sort of team pretty quickly.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Yeah, I mean, he's going to be interesting to see
how the team responds to him because he's just such
a unique personality. I do want to kind of follow
up though, on what you just said, because I kind
of go back to that run in San Francisco where
things weren't great after he left. And I know some
blame by forty nine Ers fans will probably go to
Jed York, the ownership group, but I feel like Trent
Bulky also was meddling in all of that. And as

(43:48):
you kind of followed Trent Balky to where he's been,
it seems like there's always just something going on.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
There's always I don't.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Want to say it's a disaster, but it feels like
maybe he's the one that's bringing the trauma. Maybe he
was the one to blame. Who knows if they would
have moved on from Bulky, if Harball would would have
ever even left the forty.

Speaker 13 (44:08):
Nine Ers at that point, right, And I you know,
I think, you know, you look at the circumstances they
had in San Francisco, Well, the team that was really
really talented. Now, part of it might have been to
that grougaged out a little too, you know, Brady, but
I don't think there's much doubt that they would have
probably kept finding found a way.

Speaker 12 (44:25):
To keep winning with Jim.

Speaker 13 (44:27):
Jim's won everywhere he's gone, you know, I mean, even
that last year, I believe, and I looked this up,
I think they were nine to seven that last year
he was there. They didn't make the playoffs, and it
was you know, it was a weird year for sure,
but like it's not like they were bad. The bottom
fell out after he left, you know. So so yeah,
I mean, I think it's definitely one of those things

(44:48):
where you know, when you look at the way people
thought about it at the time and the way people
looked at it at the time, and then you know
what history has sort of shown us, you know, that's
that's certainly changed a lot too. You know, I think
some people, you know, looked at it back then because
because Jim Harmo was a forward station guy, that the
guy that was, you know, the public face of the team,

(45:12):
a lot of people looked at it then as like, Okay.

Speaker 12 (45:14):
Well is Jim just difficult to deal with?

Speaker 3 (45:17):
You know?

Speaker 13 (45:17):
And now you look at you know, what's happened with
Trent since and what's happened with Jim since, and maybe
that's flipped attle.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. He
is the senior NFL reporter lead content strategist at the
MMQB get him on X at Albert Brier. Albert speaking
of Jim Harbo's former team, the forty nine Ers, I
thought you put this perfectly on X yesterday when you
said with Trent Williams to go along with Brandon Aiyuk

(45:46):
brock perties deal coming up, that they've got Champagne problems.
But it does feel like there's like a theme that
seemingly every off season there's somebody not happy with their
contractual situation there, and it sort of bleeds into camp
and then it becomes a storyline what's happening with the
Niners and how does this play out?

Speaker 13 (46:08):
You know, I think it's a result of the success
they've had, of course, you know, and you know, I
think with Trent, you know, which I don't know a
lot of people saw that one coming. That's more of
a result of a trend we're seeing across the league
where you know, in guys contracts are set up a
certain way, they're gonna want a correction.

Speaker 12 (46:28):
You know.

Speaker 13 (46:28):
I think you're seeing that with Tyreek Hill where his
contracts back quoted. You know, certainly, you know, we saw
it with with Christian McCaffrey right there. You know, in
San Francisco earlier in the off season saw with Matthew Stafford.
You know, Matthew Stafford wasn't happy with his contract and
the Rams were able to get something done there. So,
you know, I think these situations are a little different

(46:50):
that like Trent. I think is you know, one of
these veteran players that is looking for a correction. And
you know, I think maybe players are a little more
savvy about that than they used to be where he
used to be. While I'm under contract for another three
years now, you know, those players look at it and say,
I don't know how much longer I'm gonna be playing.
I don't know how much longer.

Speaker 12 (47:10):
My team's to be willing to take me at this rate,
So I.

Speaker 13 (47:13):
Better get mine while I still can. And you know,
if you look at this contract again, like it sets up,
I believe it's twenty million this year, twenty three million
this year, and then over thirty million in the final
year of the deal. So could they move some money
around and move some money forward? So so Trent's getting
getting his money a little faster to take care of this.

(47:35):
I certainly think there's a solution there. You know, I
use different because he's in a contract year and he's
looking for the first.

Speaker 12 (47:43):
Big payday of his career.

Speaker 13 (47:45):
And so that one's I think a little bit more
complicated than the trend one that's not just moving.

Speaker 12 (47:51):
Money around, you know, And so.

Speaker 13 (47:56):
You know, I think that that one's more analogous to
Dvout two years ago, to Nick Bose the last year,
and the Niners.

Speaker 12 (48:02):
Have been through this before.

Speaker 13 (48:04):
But look like I mean, it's just the reality of
where you are if you play well, if you draft ball,
if you develop all the Niners have down all those
things where you know, when you paid guys before, when
you when you when you pay guys before, the next
guy is going to be looking for his And you know,
there aren't that many teams that are in the situations
that aren't that many teams that are talented as the Niners.

(48:26):
But the one day we've seen in the last two years,
they've been able to weather the storm, you know, when
it comes to contract the studs and hold out and
so you know, I think their their intentional along is
going to keep bringing Egan their roster. I think they
love to have Ayyuk as you know, as as as
Broad Party's number one receiver, going forward, you know, especially

(48:47):
as guys like McCaffrey and Kittle and Devo get older.
And so I think it's their intention to sign on
Trump and that's been reflected in their offers. Whether they
can do that under the new context of the receiver
market with Justin Jefferson thirty five.

Speaker 12 (49:00):
I think is a different story.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
What's interesting to me about this this subject is it
feels like they were cut off guard a little bit.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
I mean, maybe maybe we're.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
Just not in the know on the outside and this
there have been ongoing conversations, specifically more with Trent Williams,
but I mean they knew this with Brandon Ayuk. But
when you look at the contrast, for example, of teams
like the Lions, teams like the Eagles, for example, in
the same conference, they seem to get business done, like
they just didn't allow this to be a distraction once
training camp. Comes my intuition, and just from knowing John Lynch,

(49:31):
I don't feel like he's the type either that would
want this to bleed into the trade into the training camp.
So how have they gotten here? Like like, was this
just a surprise the old Trent Williams deal for them,
or even a Yuk, you know, getting closer to tru
Camp formerly or publicly request in the trade.

Speaker 13 (49:48):
I think again, I think they're sort of separate.

Speaker 12 (49:50):
Like I think with Ayuk.

Speaker 13 (49:52):
You can criticize the nine Ers in the same way
you got to criticize them last year on Bosa, where
you canna say you should have done as the year before.
You know, you knew this was coming. You knew the
market wasn't gonna you know, you knew the market was
going to be changed by you know, some conditions, and
in particular, you know, justin Jefferson's deal getting done, and

(50:13):
as they got closer to you know, like the idea
that Jefferson would get done, and now you was in
this draft class, you know it was going to become
more likely that you know, you're gonna throw a wrench.

Speaker 12 (50:24):
Into the negotiation.

Speaker 13 (50:26):
And you're right to bring up like the Eagles with
Devonte Smith, the Texans with Nego Collins, the Lions of
the Monros Saint Brown, the Dolphins of Jail and Model
and all those teams acted with urgency this offseason because
they knew the Jefferson deal was coming. So yeah, certainly
I think it's fair to criticized the Niners there, but
it does take to to to to to do a deal,

(50:46):
and you know that's you know, you know that that
that's that that's part of our youth strategy too, is
to see what happened with Jefferson. You know, I think
Trent is more again, like you know, I think it
can be a little reactiontionary. You know, sometimes in the
case these players, and you know, when Trent sees Christian
McCaffrey get a contract adjustment, and I do think like

(51:10):
the idea of adjusting McCaffrey's contract related to you they
knew they were going to have to get that done
before they did IU and McCaffrey made.

Speaker 12 (51:17):
Noise about that early in the off season, with how
valuable he.

Speaker 13 (51:21):
Is that team, and of course the shelf life of
running backs gives a submergency.

Speaker 12 (51:24):
To do something.

Speaker 13 (51:26):
You know, Trent Williams could look at that say, well,
I'm probably the most indispensable player on this team, and
i might be the best player on this team. And
I don't think he'd be necessarily wrong on either of
those counts, you know, so I think, you know, like again,
it's sort of trend you see along the league around
the league.

Speaker 12 (51:43):
With older players who are still performing. And I do
think Trent's seeing that happen with one of his teammates can.

Speaker 13 (51:49):
Direct could have directly affected his decision.

Speaker 12 (51:52):
To hold out.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Albert Brier is joining us here on Fox Sports Radio.
All Right, so we've got Jordan Love, who's holding in
to who is holding in but still sort of.

Speaker 12 (52:02):
Yeah like it.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I don't know what what that is. And then I
don't know what Dak's plan is. But if you're looking
at the situation in order, how did these deals get done?
Who goes first? Who gets it done last?

Speaker 13 (52:16):
I think Love is first. I think too, Uh, the
two one's interesting and the two ones a little provocated.
It was good to hear Dax feel the Decks Decks,
that the Decks negotiations had resumed, and you know, I
think there's there's a there's a chance like Thatak gets

(52:37):
done before the season starts because of that. But I
would say Jordan loves the next one to go down,
And you know, then I think the tour of thing
is difficult, but I think they probably find a way
to do something before the season. And I'd say Dak
Dax s feel would be the wild card, you know,
I think where where Jordan Lufkins set the table for
the for for for TUA and I think daks are

(52:59):
separate that, But where where Jordan love can shit the
table for Tua is And we've talked about this guy's like,
there's a there's a real difference between Joe Burrow's deal
and Trevor Lawrence's deal despite the fact that you know
there's that number fifty five next to each of them,
and that Joe Burrow gets his cash a lot faster
and there's more guaranteed money in his deal. So where two,

(53:22):
where where Jordan loves deal like lands from a cash
flow standpoint, because I expected the number is going to
be in the mid fifties. There where we're at LANCE
from a cash flow standpoint, and then where at LANCE
from guaranteed money standpoint is relevant. And the other thing
that's relevant too here is all three of those quarterbacks
have you know, have agents that work for the same agency.

(53:44):
You know they're they're all they're all represented by athletes. First,
they have separate individual agents, but they those guys are
all with the same agency, which means there could be
some I think teamwork there the same way that it
was there's the same way there was, you know between
Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase, and those guys could be
each other apprized of where where their negotiations were at

(54:05):
Jamar Chase's decision to wait until Jefferson got a deal done.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
Albert, I want to ask you about the potential of
an eighteen game season, as appears that the conversations are
starting to heat up. We hear the NFLPA side talk
about it. How soon could we be looking at eighteen games?
I mean it's next year. Realistic is a year after that?
And then what would be the construction of the season.
Would they throw in an additional buy?

Speaker 13 (54:31):
If that's the case, I think the networks are going
to be hesitant to have to buy now. Couldn't you
know they look at the makeup of the season the
way it said something change that maybe, you know. I
think the idea of throwing an extravine there's always been
a non star for the networks because they don't want

(54:52):
to water down Sunday anymore. And when they did this
in the past, I can't remember it was twenty twenty
five years ago, but there was a time where they
were two buys there in the individual years. It made
it so like the inventory that they would have for
those Sunday windows really suffered for it. And remember that

(55:13):
was before you had them plucking games away for Christmas,
for Black Friday, for.

Speaker 12 (55:20):
All those different things.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
And so.

Speaker 13 (55:23):
You know, the NFL doesn't listen to many people. The
NFL listens to its broadcast partners, and so they would
have to resolve that if they wanted to have multiple
bye weeks. But I do think it happened. I do
think the eighteen game season happens. And the fact that
they're talking about it so openly it's interesting and I think,
you know, an indicator that the owners would like to

(55:46):
have it soon. And to me, like the next checkpoint
and cause the deadline whatever you want is the opt out,
and the broadcast feels after twenty twenty nine, you know,
presumably they would like to go to the market with
the new deal. Seeing what the NBA got, I think
it's pretty much a certain to out, going to opt out.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
That's just incredible.

Speaker 12 (56:07):
Well opt out, No, No.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
That what the NBA got.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
I mean, do you look at it, because I mean,
considering there's no viewership, I mean there it's declining yet
they still get almost three x you know, compared to
what they did before.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
The NFL has to be like licking their lips.

Speaker 13 (56:22):
Over this, right, it's because the only thing anybody watches
live anymore is sports, Brady, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (56:28):
I get that, but but like, how do you how
do you make money from advertisers in linear television because
you do have two partners that are in the linear space,
when you have less people watching, how do you sell that?

Speaker 12 (56:39):
Well, you can say, I mean it's it's it's not
just like the linear space.

Speaker 13 (56:44):
Is also the ability to stream it and get people
to subscribe.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
I get that, but that's only that's only one of
the three that have right now gotten that deal.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Two are linear television partners. So that's what I'm saying.
I understand the inventory. You have eighty two games, I
get that, but distill, there's a fewer decline. I mean,
it feels like it's it's a desperation just to have
something that is a live sports ere.

Speaker 13 (57:07):
Right, we just have to put on the air that
people are going to actually watch, you know what I mean.
Like that's that's increasingly challenging for linear television networks. So
I mean, like that's that's a huge part of it,
you know what I mean? Like, And I think I'd
look like I you know, I like, you're going to
have those streaming services spitting on this too. And and

(57:28):
if the NBA is getting three X with the NFL
is going to get, of course they're going to opt out,
I mean in twenty twenty nine to find out where
that number is going to go. And I do think
that like the NFL would like to go to the
market with these broadcast partners with an eighteen games schedule
to sell. The question is what they got to give
the players to do that. And I will say that

(57:49):
it's like if I'm the players, like do not do
not like giveaway like offseason practices like that's you should get.

Speaker 12 (57:58):
Way more than that, you know what I mean like,
And I think I think.

Speaker 13 (58:02):
The answer for the players here has to be, well,
if you're going to do something that could potentially shorten
our careers, then you've got to give us something that's
going to make it easier.

Speaker 12 (58:09):
For us to get paid.

Speaker 13 (58:11):
So I'm talking about like finding a way maybe to
get guys a free agency after three years instead of four,
maybe loosening the rains up front.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Yeah, but there's but we'd how this works. There's always
a cause and effect.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
Like I always feel like that train of thought is great,
But then then the teams adjust, and then so what
do they start doing? Then you know, they start putting
in different things that contracts to prevent that or to
lessen the ability for players to take advantage of that.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
I still I said this earlier. I stand by this.
This is one of the last swings the NFL players get.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
And if they take a big swing and say we
need healthcare, we need that impacts all, Yeah, every generation
of player.

Speaker 13 (58:48):
I mean, that's really important, you know, and you would
hope right that active players think that way, But you
and I both know that's not always been.

Speaker 12 (58:57):
The case, you know what I mean.

Speaker 13 (58:58):
Like that's also where the owners. The owners have been
able to take advantage of the pleasure in these negotiations
a couple of different ways, like you know, like one
of them is that you know, active players aren't always
motivated to care former players because the twenty five year
old might not see what this looks like for himself
at forty five, right, Like, so like that's the problem,
and you know they've been able to take advantage of

(59:19):
players in that like well, you know, veteran players are
the ones that negotiate the CBA, so they may not
be motivated to help younger guys get the free agency
because they're already cast that point in their career and
maybe those they feel like those guys would be taking
money off the table that they could get, you know.
So there are all kinds of dynamics to the way

(59:41):
that the NFL player population is that the league's been
able to take advantage of. And I think that that's
a challenge for the Lloyd how All, the new executive
director of the NFLPA is to get guys a big
picture of these things, you know, and get guys to
think a different way, because there is a real opportunity

(01:00:01):
to take advantage of you know, the owners desired to
get to eighteen games, and like you said, like you know,
I think, you know, if he can get over that
hurdle with some of the other guys that you've got
to think that way, like we you know, I want
to be taking care of for the rest of my
life from a healthcare perspective, like then, you know, maybe
they can get some of those things the players in
the past haven't been needle to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
To get get them on x at Albert breer Ab
appreciate it. Man, Thanks for waking up early with us,
and we'll do it again next week, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Thanks so