August 12, 2022 • 36 mins
On 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, and Jonas Knox react to the news about Tom Brady taking some personal time away from the Buccaneers. Plus, the guys react to Deshaun Watson’s people proposing a counter offer to the recommended 6 game suspension. Then, the guys make their picks!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar areas Brady Quinn and Jonas knocks on
Foorts Radio. Yeah oh no, yeah, oh no, yeah, man,
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Jonas will wear these things out. He's like a pair
of tires that are like run flats. Nothing is the
same tire as Marshawn Lynch shot on his car. Is
that did you see? Did you see any of that video?
My god? Was he absolutely obliterated? I mean, what the hell, dude,
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what is he? What? What are you doing? And he's
driving around actually reminded me a Brady just in the
sense that he was driving around on rims and a
really ice car like Brady did for seven miles on
a highway in Florida. Did get to the flat hire? Yeah,
Please don't confuse the two. Then people get the wrong
idea saying that Brady was obliterated. I definitely didn't clarify.
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I just said I was driving on rims for seven miles.
I said, because I was late for a flight, I
got a flat highre I couldn't miss the flight, so
that the rim sacrifice and and I was I said,
in regards to driving on a rim, I didn't say
you were drunk behind the wheel. Come on, you didn't
specify that I wasn't well as the problem, and you did.
And guess what, that's why we have a podcast to
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clean it up in post production. So there it is.
When nobody's confused. That's a good point, all right, So
we will. So we've got a couple more hours to
play with here on a football Friday, here on fs are. Um,
what do you guys make of the Tom Brady news
that came out of Bucks camp yesterday? Um, LaVar Arrington, Brady,
Quinn Jonas knocks the here. Todd Bowles talked about it,
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and he explained that his quarterback was not going to
be there with the Buccaneers for a little bit of time.
Time has been excused today. He'll be back sometime around
after Tennessee. He's gonna deal with some personal things. This
is something we talked about before training camp started. So
is this a big deal or not a big deal
at all? Or is it just none of our business
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and people need to let him have his privacy at
this time? Well, there's a couple of things. If he
talked about it before camp, you gotta wonder, is it
you know, family related. Is it like an illness thing.
There's there's been thoughts of that, which is awful, and
you hope and pray that everyone's gonna be okay. Um,
which is I mean, I don't even know how I
approached the subject without you know, speculating, but that's kind
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of where we're at if you want to talk about it.
So the truth of the matter is you don't see
players play this long. Like you just don't and so
and and and Like we've seen games before where you know,
Brett fare his father passed, he plays after, has an
incredible game in prime time. We've seen those things. But
when you're forty five years old, you're much more apt
to have, you know, issues with your parents and your
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loved ones. So you know, that's been something that people
have speculated about. Who knows. But either way, like I
think the greater general point is, does he really need
to be in camp? No, Like, he's probably better off
just wrapping him in bubble wrap, getting him to the
week regular season week one to make sure he's gonna
be healthy and you know, and safe. So you have
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a shot at going win a super Bowl, especially considering
they lost their starting center Ryan Jensen Haines. He goes down,
which I guess it was cramps, was what the report said. Yeah,
well they said he was staying off in a card
So I don't know about that. But um, you know,
you're you're down to your your third string center. It's like, okay,
what's the point of it being here, Like if you
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can't get all these guys up there to protect him
and everything else, like, you might as well wait until
the end of the preseason having back m hmm. I
mean as far as as as far as I'm concerned,
if they've already talked about it, it could it could range.
The range could be very broad, right, Like it could
be personal in terms of in nature of somebody's health
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as as you mentioned Brady. It could be something as
simple as it's it's his opportunity for them to you know,
do the TV you know TV twelve method and make
sure everything is all systems are go, and you know
its health is good and and this time it could
be anything. And and so to me, I think it's
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really I don't think it's a big deal, especially if
it was already predetermined and pre prediscussed. Um, if there's
one guy in the National Football League. There there's probably
two um of of note that you would say if
you don't need them and they can go handle some
some personal things, that you would allow for that to
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take place. Tom Brady is one of those guys. I
don't don't think that that would be a problem with
his teammates. I don't think it would be a problem
with the coaching staff, and I don't think it would
be a problem with the fans. So and it matters
like these generally speaking, the one thing that you concern
yourself with is he being pampered or is this something
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that you know could create dissension amongst the players and
then the locker room and different things like that. Could
this be a distraction. I don't see that being the
case here. So I don't think that it's too big
of a matter where you know, where you speculate in
in terms of it being a negative, you know what
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I mean. And that's just you know, that's kind of
my take on it. And and again I want to
be um sensitive to the fact that and and obviously
the the idea of it could be something that is
health related. It could be something that's health related to
a family member, whatever it may be, but yeah, I'm not.
That's not a road I'm going to go down. So
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if if that was predetermined based off of that you
need some last time or or just time in general,
then that's you know, okay, it's Tom Brady. You think
players there would have an issue though with him, you know,
taking time away. He seems like the type of guy
who has earned the credential, with his credentials and everything.
If he needs to take time away. I don't know
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that they would get upset that he was maybe being
pampered or anything. Just you mean's just the greatest football
player of all time? Yeah? Probably probably not. I think
I think they're to okay, So just just being clear.
I mean again, I don't know why I'm being attacked.
We're just having a conversation. I don't know if players
that would go, wait a second, Tom's not here for preseason,
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Well maybe maybe his job should be up for up
for debate here, right, what do you think a quarter
quarterback controversy of Tampa. LaVar said, you need worried about
him being pampered, and I thought, well, I don't know that.
I didn't say worried about him being pampered I say,
in general, if if a guy is treated differently and
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differently to the tune of of it being you know,
oh you're excused, like take the week off, take the
weekend off, whatever it may be. I'm saying in general
that that is a concern that you have to have
with with players and and the treatment of those players.
That is not I made that very clear. I do
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not believe that that is a topic of of of
conversation as it applies to Tom Brady. So you know,
don't don't don't you know, don't manipulate my words anything.
I just was making the point. I just wanted to
be clear on that, you know, I mean, I just
was curious, that's all, Brady jumping all over me. I
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don't understand why. I mean, like, this is a big way.
Why did you bring me into it? If you want
to argue with yourself and bring Brady into it, just
leave me out of it. Like I did not make
the comment that Tom Brady that the concern of Tom
Brady being pampered, that's it. That's a general topic that
you would approach if in a situation like this that
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were to take place. I just don't I don't know
why you went on the air and would say that
Tom Brady was being pampered when he was taking time
away for this, Like it just feels like that was
a bit outrageous of you to do that. I don't
know why that's going on. It it's very it's very strange.
It's very very strange. Bit what you're doing. Okay, okay,
well listen, good good talk. We're off and running. Yeah
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that's yeah, I mean is out. And and by the way,
the fine that you just said that, I'm I'm being
fined ten dollars for being pastive aggressive. You brought up
Washington earlier and your final year in Washington, and I
didn't say anything about a fine. Okay, I didn't say
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anything derogatory about washing And it wasn't really a diet tribe.
He just kind smoke as part and then knows it. Yeah.
I just just gave an example of hackling. So that
really jumped on them on. It wasn't findable in my opinion. Now,
thank you. Even the one dollar deal, right, we revisit
it with the one dollar say anything that's a teacher
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could take take the class two game. There you go.
I just want to be clear because if you have
twenty two students in your class, all that's going on,
collet is I've got a I've got a different angle
on something. So obviously the Baltimore Ravens Tennessee Titans play
last night, we're talking about now, like, hey, does Tom
Brady really need to be there? Friend? No, like a
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personal you know matter going on, you know, go take
care of the personal matter, whatever that is. And again
you you hope and pray everything's all right with him,
his family, you know who also probably doesn't need to
ever do anything in three season before they get to
week one. Justin Tucker, like when I watched him kick
off in a meaningless preseason game and thinking to myself,
imagine someone returns it and he gets hurt. Like it
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we can we can sit here and act like, oh,
he's a kicker or whatever, that's the maybe the best
kicker ever. And now all of a sudden, if you
look at the Baltimore Ravens, how many clutch kicks he's hit,
how much that team at times has to play via defense,
the rushing attack, fuel position battles that will come back
to get you, like it will come back like wants
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to go for more fourth downs and you can go
more for more fourth thouns. I you don't have Justin Tucker.
But he's a guy that, like, I don't know that
i'd put out there in preseason, like if you're gonna,
you know, not rest all these other starters. He might
be one of the only kickers that I think has
earned the right, no doubt in my mind, to be
able to actually sit out and never have to do anything.
And I don't think that's pampering him. I think that's
just being smart with making sure he's getting to the
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regular season healthy. Do you think when he retires five
years later he's a Hall of Famer first ballot? He
should be, but I think he's actually that good. I
think he will be Continu'll be looked at that way.
Hard for specialists be a first ballot, not for that, dude.
What about it? Bet that one first ballot? I don't know,
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hall of Famer for certain first ballot, I don't know.
Has there ever been a first ballot kicker? I don't
think so. I don't know. I think that's gonna be
a hard one. Yeah, um, long term bet, but it
also would depend on the year. That's the other thing, right,
like if you have a certain class where you're like,
all right, there's some guys who've been waiting. You know,
maybe they do, but like we look at next year's class,
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the guys that are eligible, like Joe Thomas first ballot,
he gets in. Del's first ballot, he gets in. Like
there's already guys right now. You know we're gonna make
it like we don't even have to have a debate.
Roeflisberger is on the clock for first. It's not it's
not his first, but now I'm just saying, like a
first ballot, guys coming up in the next couple of years, Well,
I'm saying, guys who are else will next year there
will be first ballot like those two hands down first ballot.
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Later on this hour, we are gonna have another edition
of Vacation missed it? Terrible luck for somebody who should
probably give up gambling for good after this incident went down.
That'll be happening a little over twenty minutes from now,
Uh LaVar. You mentioned it later on tonight, Big Time,
Big Time matchup in the NFL Huge seven Eastern Time
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for Pacific in Jacksonville. Tickets going for I don't know,
forty two cents. Yeah, bring a snort, Yeah, bring a snorkell,
go to the pool, have fun. You can. You can
watch the Browns and the Jags play, and you can
watch Deshaun wattson as of right now, make his debut
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for the Cleveland Browns, as Deshaun Watson is set to
start that game as of right now, although according to
um the a P and Rob Maddy, who covers the
story for the AP, he said that Deshaun Watson in
his camp UH is willing to accept an eight game
suspension and a five million dollar fine. So now, Deshaun
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Watson of your Cleveland Brown's Brady Quinn is in a
spot to where he is haggling on how much money
he's willing to be fined and how many games he's
willing to be suspended. So that's that's that's nice, and
I'm gonna throw out there at eight games, suspension, five million.
I mean. The problem is now that Roger Goodell has
spoken out publicly. It just it looks bad, like if
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they were like, oh, you know what, Yeah, but what
will accept that? I mean, give me a break. It will,
it will. It will be a minimum twelve and you'd
have to think the find is gonna be substantial and
probably double the five million. And I don't know outside
of a lawsuit, you know what the NFL p A
is going to do, but that where this is heading.
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I can't imagine, given how this whole thing was structured
by the NFL, with that or the c b A
that Peter g Harvey is not going to rule in
the manner in which Roger Gonna wants him to. I
think the only question becomes the timing of it, like
do they let Deshaun Watson take the field tonight? And
I don't think they want them to, but I mean,
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it feels like we're getting a gatt close to the
eleventh hour before we're gonna have a decision. Maybe that's strategic,
or maybe that's just how this thing is all gonna
work out tonight. Either way, I have a hard time
believe he's going to see the field is tonight. A
gauging of sorts like if if if they haven't made
the decision yet, they haven't made the decision, and if
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they have not made that decision, then that's something that
that you know, the NFL has to to live with.
In terms of Deshaun Watson touching the field, he touches
the field to me, I think from a public standpoint
of public onlooker standpoint, not from an insider's perspective or
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having been there as a player or employee. To me,
what's the difference between you playing in a game in
the preseason and playing in a game in the regular season.
You're playing in a game now, we will differentiate the
fact that this is preseason. As soon as regular season starts,
their suspension will start and be upheld. But that's kind
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of it's still kind of asked backwards. It's like, all right,
you're gonna pay the fine, you're gonna be out for
ten to twelve games, whatever it is, but we got
to see you play in the preseason. It's kind of
like it's just to me and something like this, where
the topic of conversation is such a a hardline, a
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herdline topic, I don't think you should allow the opportunity
for him to touch the field, and it seems like
this might happen. So wonder even though this is something
that has to be a decision that is made by
the arbitrator, I wonder how how the NFL is looking
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at it, How will what will the feedback be if
he plays tonight? Is there is there a tremendous outcry?
Is there is there social justice warriors that come to
the forefront. Does this become a big conversation or is
it much to do about nothing? You know? I don't.
I don't know. And those could be two different extremes.
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There may be somewhere in the middle where this all lands.
But I think that it does give pause for the
conversation of if Deshaun Watson touches that field tonight, what
is that like? You know, that's going to be the
most covered sports story and all the sports What does
that look like in terms of image for the National
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Football League? Why are the Browns starting him? Like because
at the very best case scenario, he's gonna miss the
first six games already know that, So you're gonna put
him out there for I give him a couple of
reps and then have him sit for two months. It
just like it doesn't make any sense. If I were
the Browns, you already look bad in this situation. If
you send this guy out there and start him knowing
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there's a suspension coming, knowing all the other things that
have come along with this, all the other details that
are out there, it just makes the Browns look kind
of flip it into the whole situation saying well, we're
gonna start our guy, We're gonna play our guy whatever,
and you guys can can piss and moan about it
and do whatever you want, but we're gonna play him
in a preseason game. What's the point he's gonna play
what one series? Two series? I just I don't. I
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don't think it's worth them putting him out there and
having it look even worse on the franchise and on
Stefanski and everybody else who maybe wasn't as all in
on this decision as maybe some of the people in
the front office were. Because it's not Andrew Berry is
not going to be asked questions about it afterwards. The
Hasms are going to be asked questions after the game.
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You think after the game it's gonna be Stefanski is
gonna have to wear it when when. Maybe maybe immediately after,
but at some point Barry is gonna have to answer
questions about it. I just don't see why that this
is worth it for them to put him out there
and have him play when you know, at the very
least he's out six games. We know that's going to
be increased. And so he goes out there, plays one
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game and then it plays a couple of series and
then sits for a couple of months. It just doesn't
make any sense to me. I just think it's a
bad look all the way around. I don't know. Look,
the reality is if they can play them, they're gonna
play him because that that's what they brought him there
to do. And I think they want to give their
fans some hope and they don't want them to look
bad for preated a guys to play the entire season,
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so they can get him out there. They're gonna get
him out there because I think the Cleveland fan base
has lived off the optimism for I don't know how long,
but that's part of this. Like even if you suspended
for the entire season, he's their first round draft pick.
You know you used to live on that when you
have a bad football season. Sale, Well, well there's ho
next year, we look towards the draft. Well, you traded
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away that first round pick, and you've gotten now a
quarterback that you believe in. Are you fully can deliver
whatever he gets on the field. It's giving you a
glimpse of hope. It's giving you a glimpse into the
future if indeed, he is suspended for the entire season,
because otherwise, like those seventeen games that come along, if
he can't participate in any of them in the regular season,
you're gonna hear a lot of fans just you know,
moaning and complaining, but they're gonna be looking towards the future.
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That's just that's how this this that's how this fan base,
that's how this franchise is operated pretty much since it became,
you know, came back as an expansion team. Let me
ask you as this, do you think the NFL is
happy with the Browns starting in tonight? Okay, so then
they're just throwing this out there. What if the Browns
continue to go through with this. Yeah, he's gonna start,
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He's gonna start, And then the NFL finally just says, Okay,
the decision comes to an album tomorrow. Well, yeah, but
what if they pull him off the field during warmups
or act during the game where somebody comes over to him,
similar to like seeing a guy get traded midgame during
the MLB trade deadline and they've got to pull him
off the field out of the dugout. What if he's
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out there warming up and all of a sudden, somebody
comes up to him and says, hey, buddy, you're not playing.
You just got suspended. It starts immediately and then you're gone. Well,
that ship probably happened before they get to the field.
But but if the NFL has got a red ass
about this and says, well, we don't like the check,
that should probably happened before they get to the field. Yeah,
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why would you wait till he's on the field. Well
if look, if you're gonna put us out there and
make our league look bad, we're gonna make you look
bad and pull him off the field while he's getting
warmed up for a game. So that about that, And
how about it? But that's spiting your your face, bet
your ascid is No, that's not how that that works.
They'll they will, I'm certain they're they're probably up right
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now in in New York, and I'm certain they are
on you know, they are deliberating pretty intensely as to
how to handle this because to me, I think this
is a potential pr nightmare for for the the the NFL.
It could possibly not be, but are they willing to
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take the chance, Like, Okay, we're gonna allow him to play.
The suspension hasn't been levied yet, but it's still like, okay,
a suspension being levied. I just explained to me to
you know, my my interpretation of it and how I
look at it, It's like, does that does a suspension really? Oh?
The suspension matters because now the games matter. The winds,
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the winds in the lost totals they count now. But
he still has the ability to go out there and
play the game he loves. I might be missing something here,
but the fact that he has not played, he didn't
play last season. Now he's in training cap so he's
going through practices as normal. He is basically and as
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normal a routine as any other player that's playing. So
so why why now, all of a sudden are we
not considering the fact that, Okay, the suspension is gonna
be levied it's gonna be a harsher penalty. They're trying
to negotiate and say what they would be willing to
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take and put it out there. Okay, fine, all of
those things, But to me, I almost feel like, you
do not let him practice, you do not let him
participate in in in the preseason games, you do not
let him participate until you hash this thing out. To me,
that would have been the most sound approach to this
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whole entire scenario without running into lines of interpretation of
how is this being handled? And I know that's not
the rules, but to me, in a situation like this,
I would have aired on the side of caution and said,
we're holding the dude out. You guys, hold the dude
out until we figure out what we're gonna do. But
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you know, they didn't do that. So it'll be interesting
to see if he plays tonight. This will be the
most covered Jacksonville Jaguars games since they're a f C
title game against the Patriots, And yeah, I think about it.
So so congratulations shod Con. You've done it. You've got
yourselves a highly covered team. All it took was Deshaun
Watson and twenty something thirty something, lawsuits against him and
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all the behavior that came along this offseason order to
get there. So congratulations, big night for the Jacksonville Jaguars
and their fan base. It is two pros to couple. Joe.
Here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington Brady Quinn Jonas knocks,
we've got in case you missed it coming up shortly.
By the way, bad news for those of you that
love the Field of Dreams games not gonna be back
next year because of construction. How about it? Huh, it's
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too bad. So no Field of Dreams game. They're gonna
be doing construction and so they're formation well, I don't know,
I think that what are they putting like youth baseball
fields in or something like that around there, like guys
softball fields? Yeah, softball fields. So they've got to put
that all together. That doesn't seem like it would be
that hard to construct. You just tear down some corn
and build some fencing. What's the problem? Am I missing
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something here? I don't know, But it's kind of odd
that there. Um, I mean, it seems like there's a
lot of corn out there. They can't figure out like
a different area to do it. Yeah, listen, you get
a bunch of drunk farmers who make crop circles. Why
can't these guys just figure this out, lay the corn down,
cut it off and then and then just build a stadium,
build some fencing up. Doesn't seem like that difficult at all.
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What is that? Corn smoking? Ain't gonna tell nobody else?
What is that? What is that? What movie? Friday? Thanks? Friday? Friday?
I knew that. Yeah, Friday. Come on, man, I guess
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well that's a different movie. Yeah, that's a different movie. Uh,
in different context as well. You know. Yeah, that's true.
Sean Watson would have been in on that. Oh my god, God.
But you think he gets booed tonight if he does play,
or you think people are like, yeah whatever, I mean,
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it's in Jacksonville. I can't imagine that fan base is
going to have a soft heart for him. Yeah, that's true.
Are the hard hard towels or something? I can't even
imagine what the heckling like. The levels of heckling in
the National Football League are very real. That's one aspect
that you really don't get watching things on television, you know,
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is the the heckle effect. But let me tell you something.
Heckling is very real. Man. Like my last year in
in Washington, when I was benched, I got the worst
heckling tour ever. Every away game, the heckling was so real.
Kansas City there hecklers real real. And when I say real,
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people may be sitting there like, well, what do you mean, Lavre.
Nothing is off limits, nothing is off limits. Fans don't care.
They go to moms, they go to dad's, they go
to brothers, they go to sisters, they go to two wives,
they go to kids, they go to whatever. It is
that true. Hecklers think that they can use to try
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to distract you or be that twelfth man that that
helps out the team. Some professional hecklers. Nothing is off limits?
Is it worse than in college? See I don't really
remember hecklers in college. I just remember how bad the
hecklers were in the league. It gives both ways, It
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gives both ways. Maybe I don't know why harder never
I mean maybe just guess everyone's scared of him. Say
as much college I've I've had like something I've told
you stories before like that. The trash talk, even like
tour coaches was like, my god, that is just ruthless chee.
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My god. I remember hearing stuff and just seeing coaches
take one on the chin and you're going, you'd be okay, man,
You're gonna be okay. You never recover from this, It's
gonna be all right. My buddy who played, uh he
played in the Pack twelve fact that I think it
was still the Pac ten. He uh, he went out.
He was, well, yeah, that's a good point. It's gonna
(28:29):
be Pack six and in a minute. But he went
out and uh, you know, he was on I think
he was injured. He was out for a few games
and uh, you know, he got a little after it
one night and then drove around and got popped for
a d y. And they kept it completely on the download.
Nobody on the team knew. Even his best friend had
no idea on the team. I mean his coach knew,
and they kept it real quiet, real hush hush. And
(28:51):
they go up to like core Ballast or Pullman, and
he's walking out like the next week or a couple
of weeks later, just to see pregame warm ups, and
some drunk hid from up top goes hey, nice d
u I and he looks around. He's like, how the
hell do you find out about it? He had no
idea how this guy found out about it, but he said,
some of those fans up there in places like that
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are just ruthless. They get liquored up, they've been pre gamed.
If it's a night game, they've been pre gaming all day,
and they'll just let him have it. So there's somebody
who has been rehearsing what they're going to say, and
they get their opportunity to say it. And then the
other thing is there's someone who's not rehearsing. They're just drinking,
(29:33):
and then they're preparing for that moment when whatever happens
is going to happen. But they're getting liquored up for
that moment. That's the other spectrum of good for that man,
good for them. It is Two Pros and a Cup
of Joe, all right, So coming up next somebody who
should probably give up gambling. This is an awful, awful
way to go into the weekend. We'll get into it
right here in f s are be sure to catch
(29:54):
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top of next hour. A little over ten minutes from now,
(30:16):
we might have an answer to one of the great
mysteries of the NFL offseason. We'll get into that for
you here on Fox Sports Radio. But right now it's
time for something we do every single week, and it's
called this time to put your money where your mouth is.
You know, it's over under all right, and lead to
(30:40):
lap is still out on vacation for like another month
and a half. So we've got Ricky Herrera in his place. Ricky,
we did, uh, we did over unders on games last
night in the preseason. How do we have to turn out? Yeah? Yes,
So last night, Jonas, you win, you won. You went
three and two. Now no, actually, but Brady and LaVar
(31:02):
went four and one. Kiss my ash, Ricky. Oh now
you're jumping on board. All right. I see what it is.
I see what it is. Yeah, I see what it is.
That's all right, that's right. I got two hours tomorrow,
two hours for revenge tomorrow. That's okay, we can play
this game. Okay, attacked by everybody on the show. What
was the one we missed? Uh? So you guys missed
(31:26):
the Brady you missed, you missed Daniel Jones total touchdowns
and I didn't have anything that's right? And then LaVar,
you missed the over under the Pat's game. Yeah, matter,
But so what did I miss? What were the two
that I missed? Pretty much? Jonas, you missed Daniel Jones
(31:50):
total touchdowns? God forbid? I was trying to be positive
about the Andrew Jones. Okay, go ahead, that's unfortunate. And
uh and you missed the Harbor of Fort down conversion. Okay, well,
going for it for down. I mean think I think
he would have if Tennessee's defense would have stopped him
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on third down once or twice. But they didn't, so
I got screwed. So we'll put a little bit of
an asterisk next to that one and we move on
to what we got this weekend. So let's get it going. Okay,
So last week, LaVar, you went three and one. So
the first one we got is Brown's Browns and Jags. Uh,
offensive snaps for Deshaun Watson under a half under under yep,
(32:40):
I mean Friday news dump, right, I mean join us.
I don't know if you need to do some research
on this, but it might be something let's take about. Okay, yeah,
give me a second, because done, this is really important stuff. Well,
give me a second here, I'm gonna take the under
ricky Okay, okay, second one. We got Packers forty Niners
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Trade Lance total touchdowns a half said out a half. Yeah,
we got a touchdown. They say how long he's gonna play?
Like how many? Like how many snaps he's gonna actually
get in the game? There is that anywhere? Because I
feel like nine snaps. And by the way, I saw
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ESPN ran something on their chiron saying Trey Lance making
his NFL debut. He got time last year, he played
last year, he got he did play a little bit
last year. It's not his debut starting. Yeah, but that's
not what they said. Yeah, I saw the graphic two
of that surprised me. It's a mistake on their part.
(33:46):
I'm trying to hold people accountable that we're a football show.
It's a football Friday. You gotta get things right here. Um,
I'm gonna take the over as well to Ricky. Okay, cool,
next one, guys, Chiefs and Bears um. The total total
points for this game is set at thirty seven and
a half over or under over because Kansas City is
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gonna put up forty. So well, I was gonna say
they can score their deep even if they don't play
their starters. They got some talent um. Yeah, and I
don't know that the Bears have any depth. Do you
think Andy Reid to do? Matt Naggie a solid would say,
you know, score, Yeah, let's go ahead and get things
(34:29):
down here. Yeah, you know what, just for that reason,
I'm gonna go with the over. Let's take the over all, right, Ricky,
have we differentiated on anything? Uh? This is We're I'll
just kind of going the same though so far. Alright,
I'll take pretty in line. Yeah, alright, what do we
got next? This is a game LaVar has a circled Tomorrow.
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The Panthers and Commanders are going at it. So Carson
Carson went interceptions set at a half, take the under.
I'm gonna take the under. Two. I think the Commandos
are gonna want to put their best foot forward. So
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and there Beds it forward. I'm gonna take the over. Yeah,
I'm gonna take the over, And I think it'll probably
be like a deflected ball and everyone's going to make
a big, big to do about it, and you'll be
able to identify who the box score readers are if
it tipped interception, because they're gonna air him out the
next day or the next week, and it's gonna be
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not his fault. Somebody dropped a pass, or somebody wasn't
where they needed to be, somebody defend Carson was on
that he's been so inaccurate to So that's probably good point.
If it does happen, that's probably how it's gonna happen.
It's been so inaccurate during camp. Yeah, that's true. All right, Ricky,
what's the last one? All right? If you guys remember
last year, Rams friends, we're getting a little wild all season.
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So Rams and Chargers fight fan fights set at one
and a half. Oh, I'm taking the under. I think
they'll be one. I don't know if there'll be two.
O man over because tickets are so cheap for these
preseason games that you got more. But how are we
going to know? Social media everywhere I'm gonna because we're
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not going to know, we're not on Twitter. I'll take
the over. Yeah, but what do you count? Like you
can't count like a shouting match, that's not that's probably
an l A fight, but like that's not. Oh yeah,
sure you No, I'm saying like Dodgers are different. I mean,
but that's true. It's not a Raider game. So yeah,
well I'm gonna. I'm gonna take the over. If it
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was a Raider game would be different. What's that's supposed
to mean? Hey, that's that supposed he's right and he's right.
Oh my god, I go a let me tell you
something I got on the elevator. Yeah, it was bad.
It's the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar areas Brady Quinn and Jonas knocks on
Foorts Radio. Yeah oh no, yeah, oh no, yeah, man,
(00:28):
Jonas will wear these things out. He's like a pair
of tires that are like run flats. Nothing is the
same tire as Marshawn Lynch shot on his car. Is
that did you see? Did you see any of that video?
My god? Was he absolutely obliterated? I mean, what the hell, dude,
(00:52):
what is he? What? What are you doing? And he's
driving around actually reminded me a Brady just in the
sense that he was driving around on rims and a
really ice car like Brady did for seven miles on
a highway in Florida. Did get to the flat hire? Yeah,
Please don't confuse the two. Then people get the wrong
idea saying that Brady was obliterated. I definitely didn't clarify.
(01:16):
I just said I was driving on rims for seven miles.
I said, because I was late for a flight, I
got a flat highre I couldn't miss the flight, so
that the rim sacrifice and and I was I said,
in regards to driving on a rim, I didn't say
you were drunk behind the wheel. Come on, you didn't
specify that I wasn't well as the problem, and you did.
And guess what, that's why we have a podcast to
(01:37):
clean it up in post production. So there it is.
When nobody's confused. That's a good point, all right, So
we will. So we've got a couple more hours to
play with here on a football Friday, here on fs are. Um,
what do you guys make of the Tom Brady news
that came out of Bucks camp yesterday? Um, LaVar Arrington, Brady,
Quinn Jonas knocks the here. Todd Bowles talked about it,
(02:00):
and he explained that his quarterback was not going to
be there with the Buccaneers for a little bit of time.
Time has been excused today. He'll be back sometime around
after Tennessee. He's gonna deal with some personal things. This
is something we talked about before training camp started. So
is this a big deal or not a big deal
at all? Or is it just none of our business
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and people need to let him have his privacy at
this time? Well, there's a couple of things. If he
talked about it before camp, you gotta wonder, is it
you know, family related. Is it like an illness thing.
There's there's been thoughts of that, which is awful, and
you hope and pray that everyone's gonna be okay. Um,
which is I mean, I don't even know how I
approached the subject without you know, speculating, but that's kind
(02:42):
of where we're at if you want to talk about it.
So the truth of the matter is you don't see
players play this long. Like you just don't and so
and and and Like we've seen games before where you know,
Brett fare his father passed, he plays after, has an
incredible game in prime time. We've seen those things. But
when you're forty five years old, you're much more apt
to have, you know, issues with your parents and your
(03:05):
loved ones. So you know, that's been something that people
have speculated about. Who knows. But either way, like I
think the greater general point is, does he really need
to be in camp? No, Like, he's probably better off
just wrapping him in bubble wrap, getting him to the
week regular season week one to make sure he's gonna
be healthy and you know, and safe. So you have
(03:26):
a shot at going win a super Bowl, especially considering
they lost their starting center Ryan Jensen Haines. He goes down,
which I guess it was cramps, was what the report said. Yeah,
well they said he was staying off in a card
So I don't know about that. But um, you know,
you're you're down to your your third string center. It's like, okay,
what's the point of it being here, Like if you
(03:47):
can't get all these guys up there to protect him
and everything else, like, you might as well wait until
the end of the preseason having back m hmm. I
mean as far as as as far as I'm concerned,
if they've already talked about it, it could it could range.
The range could be very broad, right, Like it could
be personal in terms of in nature of somebody's health
(04:11):
as as you mentioned Brady. It could be something as
simple as it's it's his opportunity for them to you know,
do the TV you know TV twelve method and make
sure everything is all systems are go, and you know
its health is good and and this time it could
be anything. And and so to me, I think it's
(04:34):
really I don't think it's a big deal, especially if
it was already predetermined and pre prediscussed. Um, if there's
one guy in the National Football League. There there's probably
two um of of note that you would say if
you don't need them and they can go handle some
some personal things, that you would allow for that to
(04:56):
take place. Tom Brady is one of those guys. I
don't don't think that that would be a problem with
his teammates. I don't think it would be a problem
with the coaching staff, and I don't think it would
be a problem with the fans. So and it matters
like these generally speaking, the one thing that you concern
yourself with is he being pampered or is this something
(05:19):
that you know could create dissension amongst the players and
then the locker room and different things like that. Could
this be a distraction. I don't see that being the
case here. So I don't think that it's too big
of a matter where you know, where you speculate in
in terms of it being a negative, you know what
(05:39):
I mean. And that's just you know, that's kind of
my take on it. And and again I want to
be um sensitive to the fact that and and obviously
the the idea of it could be something that is
health related. It could be something that's health related to
a family member, whatever it may be, but yeah, I'm not.
That's not a road I'm going to go down. So
(06:01):
if if that was predetermined based off of that you
need some last time or or just time in general,
then that's you know, okay, it's Tom Brady. You think
players there would have an issue though with him, you know,
taking time away. He seems like the type of guy
who has earned the credential, with his credentials and everything.
If he needs to take time away. I don't know
(06:22):
that they would get upset that he was maybe being
pampered or anything. Just you mean's just the greatest football
player of all time? Yeah? Probably probably not. I think
I think they're to okay, So just just being clear.
I mean again, I don't know why I'm being attacked.
We're just having a conversation. I don't know if players
that would go, wait a second, Tom's not here for preseason,
(06:43):
Well maybe maybe his job should be up for up
for debate here, right, what do you think a quarter
quarterback controversy of Tampa. LaVar said, you need worried about
him being pampered, and I thought, well, I don't know that.
I didn't say worried about him being pampered I say,
in general, if if a guy is treated differently and
(07:05):
differently to the tune of of it being you know,
oh you're excused, like take the week off, take the
weekend off, whatever it may be. I'm saying in general
that that is a concern that you have to have
with with players and and the treatment of those players.
That is not I made that very clear. I do
(07:25):
not believe that that is a topic of of of
conversation as it applies to Tom Brady. So you know,
don't don't don't you know, don't manipulate my words anything.
I just was making the point. I just wanted to
be clear on that, you know, I mean, I just
was curious, that's all, Brady jumping all over me. I
(07:46):
don't understand why. I mean, like, this is a big way.
Why did you bring me into it? If you want
to argue with yourself and bring Brady into it, just
leave me out of it. Like I did not make
the comment that Tom Brady that the concern of Tom
Brady being pampered, that's it. That's a general topic that
you would approach if in a situation like this that
(08:09):
were to take place. I just don't I don't know
why you went on the air and would say that
Tom Brady was being pampered when he was taking time
away for this, Like it just feels like that was
a bit outrageous of you to do that. I don't
know why that's going on. It it's very it's very strange.
It's very very strange. Bit what you're doing. Okay, okay,
well listen, good good talk. We're off and running. Yeah
(08:34):
that's yeah, I mean is out. And and by the way,
the fine that you just said that, I'm I'm being
fined ten dollars for being pastive aggressive. You brought up
Washington earlier and your final year in Washington, and I
didn't say anything about a fine. Okay, I didn't say
(08:54):
anything derogatory about washing And it wasn't really a diet tribe.
He just kind smoke as part and then knows it. Yeah.
I just just gave an example of hackling. So that
really jumped on them on. It wasn't findable in my opinion. Now,
thank you. Even the one dollar deal, right, we revisit
it with the one dollar say anything that's a teacher
(09:15):
could take take the class two game. There you go.
I just want to be clear because if you have
twenty two students in your class, all that's going on,
collet is I've got a I've got a different angle
on something. So obviously the Baltimore Ravens Tennessee Titans play
last night, we're talking about now, like, hey, does Tom
Brady really need to be there? Friend? No, like a
(09:37):
personal you know matter going on, you know, go take
care of the personal matter, whatever that is. And again
you you hope and pray everything's all right with him,
his family, you know who also probably doesn't need to
ever do anything in three season before they get to
week one. Justin Tucker, like when I watched him kick
off in a meaningless preseason game and thinking to myself,
imagine someone returns it and he gets hurt. Like it
(10:00):
we can we can sit here and act like, oh,
he's a kicker or whatever, that's the maybe the best
kicker ever. And now all of a sudden, if you
look at the Baltimore Ravens, how many clutch kicks he's hit,
how much that team at times has to play via defense,
the rushing attack, fuel position battles that will come back
to get you, like it will come back like wants
(10:20):
to go for more fourth downs and you can go
more for more fourth thouns. I you don't have Justin Tucker.
But he's a guy that, like, I don't know that
i'd put out there in preseason, like if you're gonna,
you know, not rest all these other starters. He might
be one of the only kickers that I think has
earned the right, no doubt in my mind, to be
able to actually sit out and never have to do anything.
And I don't think that's pampering him. I think that's
just being smart with making sure he's getting to the
(10:41):
regular season healthy. Do you think when he retires five
years later he's a Hall of Famer first ballot? He
should be, but I think he's actually that good. I
think he will be Continu'll be looked at that way.
Hard for specialists be a first ballot, not for that, dude.
What about it? Bet that one first ballot? I don't know,
(11:03):
hall of Famer for certain first ballot, I don't know.
Has there ever been a first ballot kicker? I don't
think so. I don't know. I think that's gonna be
a hard one. Yeah, um, long term bet, but it
also would depend on the year. That's the other thing, right,
like if you have a certain class where you're like,
all right, there's some guys who've been waiting. You know,
maybe they do, but like we look at next year's class,
(11:24):
the guys that are eligible, like Joe Thomas first ballot,
he gets in. Del's first ballot, he gets in. Like
there's already guys right now. You know we're gonna make
it like we don't even have to have a debate.
Roeflisberger is on the clock for first. It's not it's
not his first, but now I'm just saying, like a
first ballot, guys coming up in the next couple of years, Well,
I'm saying, guys who are else will next year there
will be first ballot like those two hands down first ballot.
(11:48):
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(13:14):
Later on this hour, we are gonna have another edition
of Vacation missed it? Terrible luck for somebody who should
probably give up gambling for good after this incident went down.
That'll be happening a little over twenty minutes from now,
Uh LaVar. You mentioned it later on tonight, Big Time,
Big Time matchup in the NFL Huge seven Eastern Time
(13:35):
for Pacific in Jacksonville. Tickets going for I don't know,
forty two cents. Yeah, bring a snort, Yeah, bring a snorkell,
go to the pool, have fun. You can. You can
watch the Browns and the Jags play, and you can
watch Deshaun wattson as of right now, make his debut
(13:58):
for the Cleveland Browns, as Deshaun Watson is set to
start that game as of right now, although according to
um the a P and Rob Maddy, who covers the
story for the AP, he said that Deshaun Watson in
his camp UH is willing to accept an eight game
suspension and a five million dollar fine. So now, Deshaun
(14:19):
Watson of your Cleveland Brown's Brady Quinn is in a
spot to where he is haggling on how much money
he's willing to be fined and how many games he's
willing to be suspended. So that's that's that's nice, and
I'm gonna throw out there at eight games, suspension, five million.
I mean. The problem is now that Roger Goodell has
spoken out publicly. It just it looks bad, like if
(14:40):
they were like, oh, you know what, Yeah, but what
will accept that? I mean, give me a break. It will,
it will. It will be a minimum twelve and you'd
have to think the find is gonna be substantial and
probably double the five million. And I don't know outside
of a lawsuit, you know what the NFL p A
is going to do, but that where this is heading.
(15:00):
I can't imagine, given how this whole thing was structured
by the NFL, with that or the c b A
that Peter g Harvey is not going to rule in
the manner in which Roger Gonna wants him to. I
think the only question becomes the timing of it, like
do they let Deshaun Watson take the field tonight? And
I don't think they want them to, but I mean,
(15:21):
it feels like we're getting a gatt close to the
eleventh hour before we're gonna have a decision. Maybe that's strategic,
or maybe that's just how this thing is all gonna
work out tonight. Either way, I have a hard time
believe he's going to see the field is tonight. A
gauging of sorts like if if if they haven't made
the decision yet, they haven't made the decision, and if
(15:42):
they have not made that decision, then that's something that
that you know, the NFL has to to live with.
In terms of Deshaun Watson touching the field, he touches
the field to me, I think from a public standpoint
of public onlooker standpoint, not from an insider's perspective or
(16:03):
having been there as a player or employee. To me,
what's the difference between you playing in a game in
the preseason and playing in a game in the regular season.
You're playing in a game now, we will differentiate the
fact that this is preseason. As soon as regular season starts,
their suspension will start and be upheld. But that's kind
(16:26):
of it's still kind of asked backwards. It's like, all right,
you're gonna pay the fine, you're gonna be out for
ten to twelve games, whatever it is, but we got
to see you play in the preseason. It's kind of
like it's just to me and something like this, where
the topic of conversation is such a a hardline, a
(16:48):
herdline topic, I don't think you should allow the opportunity
for him to touch the field, and it seems like
this might happen. So wonder even though this is something
that has to be a decision that is made by
the arbitrator, I wonder how how the NFL is looking
(17:09):
at it, How will what will the feedback be if
he plays tonight? Is there is there a tremendous outcry?
Is there is there social justice warriors that come to
the forefront. Does this become a big conversation or is
it much to do about nothing? You know? I don't.
I don't know. And those could be two different extremes.
(17:31):
There may be somewhere in the middle where this all lands.
But I think that it does give pause for the
conversation of if Deshaun Watson touches that field tonight, what
is that like? You know, that's going to be the
most covered sports story and all the sports What does
that look like in terms of image for the National
(17:52):
Football League? Why are the Browns starting him? Like because
at the very best case scenario, he's gonna miss the
first six games already know that, So you're gonna put
him out there for I give him a couple of
reps and then have him sit for two months. It
just like it doesn't make any sense. If I were
the Browns, you already look bad in this situation. If
you send this guy out there and start him knowing
(18:14):
there's a suspension coming, knowing all the other things that
have come along with this, all the other details that
are out there, it just makes the Browns look kind
of flip it into the whole situation saying well, we're
gonna start our guy, We're gonna play our guy whatever,
and you guys can can piss and moan about it
and do whatever you want, but we're gonna play him
in a preseason game. What's the point he's gonna play
what one series? Two series? I just I don't. I
(18:36):
don't think it's worth them putting him out there and
having it look even worse on the franchise and on
Stefanski and everybody else who maybe wasn't as all in
on this decision as maybe some of the people in
the front office were. Because it's not Andrew Berry is
not going to be asked questions about it afterwards. The
Hasms are going to be asked questions after the game.
(18:57):
You think after the game it's gonna be Stefanski is
gonna have to wear it when when. Maybe maybe immediately after,
but at some point Barry is gonna have to answer
questions about it. I just don't see why that this
is worth it for them to put him out there
and have him play when you know, at the very
least he's out six games. We know that's going to
be increased. And so he goes out there, plays one
(19:19):
game and then it plays a couple of series and
then sits for a couple of months. It just doesn't
make any sense to me. I just think it's a
bad look all the way around. I don't know. Look,
the reality is if they can play them, they're gonna
play him because that that's what they brought him there
to do. And I think they want to give their
fans some hope and they don't want them to look
bad for preated a guys to play the entire season,
(19:42):
so they can get him out there. They're gonna get
him out there because I think the Cleveland fan base
has lived off the optimism for I don't know how long,
but that's part of this. Like even if you suspended
for the entire season, he's their first round draft pick.
You know you used to live on that when you
have a bad football season. Sale, Well, well there's ho
next year, we look towards the draft. Well, you traded
(20:03):
away that first round pick, and you've gotten now a
quarterback that you believe in. Are you fully can deliver
whatever he gets on the field. It's giving you a
glimpse of hope. It's giving you a glimpse into the
future if indeed, he is suspended for the entire season,
because otherwise, like those seventeen games that come along, if
he can't participate in any of them in the regular season,
you're gonna hear a lot of fans just you know,
moaning and complaining, but they're gonna be looking towards the future.
(20:27):
That's just that's how this this that's how this fan base,
that's how this franchise is operated pretty much since it became,
you know, came back as an expansion team. Let me
ask you as this, do you think the NFL is
happy with the Browns starting in tonight? Okay, so then
they're just throwing this out there. What if the Browns
continue to go through with this. Yeah, he's gonna start,
(20:49):
He's gonna start, And then the NFL finally just says, Okay,
the decision comes to an album tomorrow. Well, yeah, but
what if they pull him off the field during warmups
or act during the game where somebody comes over to him,
similar to like seeing a guy get traded midgame during
the MLB trade deadline and they've got to pull him
off the field out of the dugout. What if he's
(21:09):
out there warming up and all of a sudden, somebody
comes up to him and says, hey, buddy, you're not playing.
You just got suspended. It starts immediately and then you're gone. Well,
that ship probably happened before they get to the field.
But but if the NFL has got a red ass
about this and says, well, we don't like the check,
that should probably happened before they get to the field. Yeah,
(21:29):
why would you wait till he's on the field. Well
if look, if you're gonna put us out there and
make our league look bad, we're gonna make you look
bad and pull him off the field while he's getting
warmed up for a game. So that about that, And
how about it? But that's spiting your your face, bet
your ascid is No, that's not how that that works.
They'll they will, I'm certain they're they're probably up right
(21:51):
now in in New York, and I'm certain they are
on you know, they are deliberating pretty intensely as to
how to handle this because to me, I think this
is a potential pr nightmare for for the the the NFL.
It could possibly not be, but are they willing to
(22:12):
take the chance, Like, Okay, we're gonna allow him to play.
The suspension hasn't been levied yet, but it's still like, okay,
a suspension being levied. I just explained to me to
you know, my my interpretation of it and how I
look at it, It's like, does that does a suspension really? Oh?
The suspension matters because now the games matter. The winds,
(22:36):
the winds in the lost totals they count now. But
he still has the ability to go out there and
play the game he loves. I might be missing something here,
but the fact that he has not played, he didn't
play last season. Now he's in training cap so he's
going through practices as normal. He is basically and as
(22:58):
normal a routine as any other player that's playing. So
so why why now, all of a sudden are we
not considering the fact that, Okay, the suspension is gonna
be levied it's gonna be a harsher penalty. They're trying
to negotiate and say what they would be willing to
(23:19):
take and put it out there. Okay, fine, all of
those things, But to me, I almost feel like, you
do not let him practice, you do not let him
participate in in in the preseason games, you do not
let him participate until you hash this thing out. To me,
that would have been the most sound approach to this
(23:41):
whole entire scenario without running into lines of interpretation of
how is this being handled? And I know that's not
the rules, but to me, in a situation like this,
I would have aired on the side of caution and said,
we're holding the dude out. You guys, hold the dude
out until we figure out what we're gonna do. But
(24:02):
you know, they didn't do that. So it'll be interesting
to see if he plays tonight. This will be the
most covered Jacksonville Jaguars games since they're a f C
title game against the Patriots, And yeah, I think about it.
So so congratulations shod Con. You've done it. You've got
yourselves a highly covered team. All it took was Deshaun
Watson and twenty something thirty something, lawsuits against him and
(24:25):
all the behavior that came along this offseason order to
get there. So congratulations, big night for the Jacksonville Jaguars
and their fan base. It is two pros to couple. Joe.
Here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington Brady Quinn Jonas knocks,
we've got in case you missed it coming up shortly.
By the way, bad news for those of you that
love the Field of Dreams games not gonna be back
next year because of construction. How about it? Huh, it's
(24:47):
too bad. So no Field of Dreams game. They're gonna
be doing construction and so they're formation well, I don't know,
I think that what are they putting like youth baseball
fields in or something like that around there, like guys
softball fields? Yeah, softball fields. So they've got to put
that all together. That doesn't seem like it would be
that hard to construct. You just tear down some corn
and build some fencing. What's the problem? Am I missing
(25:09):
something here? I don't know, But it's kind of odd
that there. Um, I mean, it seems like there's a
lot of corn out there. They can't figure out like
a different area to do it. Yeah, listen, you get
a bunch of drunk farmers who make crop circles. Why
can't these guys just figure this out, lay the corn down,
cut it off and then and then just build a stadium,
build some fencing up. Doesn't seem like that difficult at all.
(25:31):
What is that? Corn smoking? Ain't gonna tell nobody else?
What is that? What is that? What movie? Friday? Thanks? Friday? Friday?
I knew that. Yeah, Friday. Come on, man, I guess
(25:51):
well that's a different movie. Yeah, that's a different movie. Uh,
in different context as well. You know. Yeah, that's true.
Sean Watson would have been in on that. Oh my god, God.
But you think he gets booed tonight if he does play,
or you think people are like, yeah whatever, I mean,
(26:11):
it's in Jacksonville. I can't imagine that fan base is
going to have a soft heart for him. Yeah, that's true.
Are the hard hard towels or something? I can't even
imagine what the heckling like. The levels of heckling in
the National Football League are very real. That's one aspect
that you really don't get watching things on television, you know,
(26:35):
is the the heckle effect. But let me tell you something.
Heckling is very real. Man. Like my last year in
in Washington, when I was benched, I got the worst
heckling tour ever. Every away game, the heckling was so real.
Kansas City there hecklers real real. And when I say real,
(26:58):
people may be sitting there like, well, what do you mean, Lavre.
Nothing is off limits, nothing is off limits. Fans don't care.
They go to moms, they go to dad's, they go
to brothers, they go to sisters, they go to two wives,
they go to kids, they go to whatever. It is
that true. Hecklers think that they can use to try
(27:22):
to distract you or be that twelfth man that that
helps out the team. Some professional hecklers. Nothing is off limits?
Is it worse than in college? See I don't really
remember hecklers in college. I just remember how bad the
hecklers were in the league. It gives both ways, It
(27:45):
gives both ways. Maybe I don't know why harder never
I mean maybe just guess everyone's scared of him. Say
as much college I've I've had like something I've told
you stories before like that. The trash talk, even like
tour coaches was like, my god, that is just ruthless chee.
(28:07):
My god. I remember hearing stuff and just seeing coaches
take one on the chin and you're going, you'd be okay, man,
You're gonna be okay. You never recover from this, It's
gonna be all right. My buddy who played, uh he
played in the Pack twelve fact that I think it
was still the Pac ten. He uh, he went out.
He was, well, yeah, that's a good point. It's gonna
(28:29):
be Pack six and in a minute. But he went
out and uh, you know, he was on I think
he was injured. He was out for a few games
and uh, you know, he got a little after it
one night and then drove around and got popped for
a d y. And they kept it completely on the download.
Nobody on the team knew. Even his best friend had
no idea on the team. I mean his coach knew,
and they kept it real quiet, real hush hush. And
(28:51):
they go up to like core Ballast or Pullman, and
he's walking out like the next week or a couple
of weeks later, just to see pregame warm ups, and
some drunk hid from up top goes hey, nice d
u I and he looks around. He's like, how the
hell do you find out about it? He had no
idea how this guy found out about it, but he said,
some of those fans up there in places like that
(29:13):
are just ruthless. They get liquored up, they've been pre gamed.
If it's a night game, they've been pre gaming all day,
and they'll just let him have it. So there's somebody
who has been rehearsing what they're going to say, and
they get their opportunity to say it. And then the
other thing is there's someone who's not rehearsing. They're just drinking,
(29:33):
and then they're preparing for that moment when whatever happens
is going to happen. But they're getting liquored up for
that moment. That's the other spectrum of good for that man,
good for them. It is Two Pros and a Cup
of Joe, all right, So coming up next somebody who
should probably give up gambling. This is an awful, awful
way to go into the weekend. We'll get into it
right here in f s are be sure to catch
(29:54):
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top of next hour. A little over ten minutes from now,
(30:16):
we might have an answer to one of the great
mysteries of the NFL offseason. We'll get into that for
you here on Fox Sports Radio. But right now it's
time for something we do every single week, and it's
called this time to put your money where your mouth is.
You know, it's over under all right, and lead to
(30:40):
lap is still out on vacation for like another month
and a half. So we've got Ricky Herrera in his place. Ricky,
we did, uh, we did over unders on games last
night in the preseason. How do we have to turn out? Yeah? Yes,
So last night, Jonas, you win, you won. You went
three and two. Now no, actually, but Brady and LaVar
(31:02):
went four and one. Kiss my ash, Ricky. Oh now
you're jumping on board. All right. I see what it is.
I see what it is. Yeah, I see what it is.
That's all right, that's right. I got two hours tomorrow,
two hours for revenge tomorrow. That's okay, we can play
this game. Okay, attacked by everybody on the show. What
was the one we missed? Uh? So you guys missed
(31:26):
the Brady you missed, you missed Daniel Jones total touchdowns
and I didn't have anything that's right? And then LaVar,
you missed the over under the Pat's game. Yeah, matter,
But so what did I miss? What were the two
that I missed? Pretty much? Jonas, you missed Daniel Jones
(31:50):
total touchdowns? God forbid? I was trying to be positive
about the Andrew Jones. Okay, go ahead, that's unfortunate. And
uh and you missed the Harbor of Fort down conversion. Okay, well,
going for it for down. I mean think I think
he would have if Tennessee's defense would have stopped him
(32:11):
on third down once or twice. But they didn't, so
I got screwed. So we'll put a little bit of
an asterisk next to that one and we move on
to what we got this weekend. So let's get it going. Okay,
So last week, LaVar, you went three and one. So
the first one we got is Brown's Browns and Jags. Uh,
offensive snaps for Deshaun Watson under a half under under yep,
(32:40):
I mean Friday news dump, right, I mean join us.
I don't know if you need to do some research
on this, but it might be something let's take about. Okay, yeah,
give me a second, because done, this is really important stuff. Well,
give me a second here, I'm gonna take the under
ricky Okay, okay, second one. We got Packers forty Niners
(33:03):
Trade Lance total touchdowns a half said out a half. Yeah,
we got a touchdown. They say how long he's gonna play?
Like how many? Like how many snaps he's gonna actually
get in the game? There is that anywhere? Because I
feel like nine snaps. And by the way, I saw
(33:25):
ESPN ran something on their chiron saying Trey Lance making
his NFL debut. He got time last year, he played
last year, he got he did play a little bit
last year. It's not his debut starting. Yeah, but that's
not what they said. Yeah, I saw the graphic two
of that surprised me. It's a mistake on their part.
(33:46):
I'm trying to hold people accountable that we're a football show.
It's a football Friday. You gotta get things right here. Um,
I'm gonna take the over as well to Ricky. Okay, cool,
next one, guys, Chiefs and Bears um. The total total
points for this game is set at thirty seven and
a half over or under over because Kansas City is
(34:07):
gonna put up forty. So well, I was gonna say
they can score their deep even if they don't play
their starters. They got some talent um. Yeah, and I
don't know that the Bears have any depth. Do you
think Andy Reid to do? Matt Naggie a solid would say,
you know, score, Yeah, let's go ahead and get things
(34:29):
down here. Yeah, you know what, just for that reason,
I'm gonna go with the over. Let's take the over all, right, Ricky,
have we differentiated on anything? Uh? This is We're I'll
just kind of going the same though so far. Alright,
I'll take pretty in line. Yeah, alright, what do we
got next? This is a game LaVar has a circled Tomorrow.
(34:53):
The Panthers and Commanders are going at it. So Carson
Carson went interceptions set at a half, take the under.
I'm gonna take the under. Two. I think the Commandos
are gonna want to put their best foot forward. So
(35:14):
and there Beds it forward. I'm gonna take the over. Yeah,
I'm gonna take the over, And I think it'll probably
be like a deflected ball and everyone's going to make
a big, big to do about it, and you'll be
able to identify who the box score readers are if
it tipped interception, because they're gonna air him out the
next day or the next week, and it's gonna be
(35:34):
not his fault. Somebody dropped a pass, or somebody wasn't
where they needed to be, somebody defend Carson was on
that he's been so inaccurate to So that's probably good point.
If it does happen, that's probably how it's gonna happen.
It's been so inaccurate during camp. Yeah, that's true. All right, Ricky,
what's the last one? All right? If you guys remember
last year, Rams friends, we're getting a little wild all season.
(35:56):
So Rams and Chargers fight fan fights set at one
and a half. Oh, I'm taking the under. I think
they'll be one. I don't know if there'll be two.
O man over because tickets are so cheap for these
preseason games that you got more. But how are we
going to know? Social media everywhere I'm gonna because we're
(36:18):
not going to know, we're not on Twitter. I'll take
the over. Yeah, but what do you count? Like you
can't count like a shouting match, that's not that's probably
an l A fight, but like that's not. Oh yeah,
sure you No, I'm saying like Dodgers are different. I mean,
but that's true. It's not a Raider game. So yeah,
well I'm gonna. I'm gonna take the over. If it
(36:39):
was a Raider game would be different. What's that's supposed
to mean? Hey, that's that supposed he's right and he's right.
Oh my god, I go a let me tell you
something I got on the elevator. Yeah, it was bad.
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