August 15, 2023 • 45 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Michael Oher sues the Tuohy family and proves Hollywood sports movies are never close to reality. Iowa Head Coach Kirk Ferentz find sit curious that Iowa is the only state with a criminal investigation into athletes gambling. Plus, a plethora of running back news including Dalvin Cook landing with the Jets, Zeke signing with the Pats and Jonathan Taylor reporting but not caving to the Colts.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar arings and rating Winn and Jonas Knox on
four Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So apparently the great story the blind Side with I.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Thought that's I thought that's what you were segueing into
last segment.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Yeah, I kind of thought that too.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Yeah, but you segue right into Dalvin Cook and we
talked jets, which was fine. But when I said, you know,
royalties and all that stuff, you don't get any and this,
that and the other, I.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Thought you'd set them up.
Speaker 5 (00:35):
I thought that's where he was going. Hey, Q, how
are you doing?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Good man, I've been hanging out, was listening to y'all.
I don't know what the hell's going on by scenes, but.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
My dog, I was waiting for you to take it.
I gave, I gave, I gave my quick response, was
ready for you to give, give you give yours, and
then you weren't there, and I had to go ahead
and try to keep giving more of a response. And
you know, so, I'm glad you're here.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
I don't want to blindside you guys. Yeah, good job,
cut you guys off.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
So Michael Orr filed a petition in Tuesday or in
a Tennessee court on Monday, rather to end the conservativeship
with the family who quote unquote adopted him, in which
the movie The blind Side was based on. He claims
that he never received money for the movie, but instead
the two Wee's, the family who adopted him, they negotiated
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a deal that made them and their birth children millions
of dollars in royalties. So there's a book coming out,
he's going on the offensive. This gets filed, and it
just feels like maybe this story that was presented that
resulted in Hollywood and everybody else getting involved. I believe
Sondra Bullock was the star of that movie as well too.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
She actually one best actress, I believe in her portrayal
of Leanne Twoey or help you pronounce it.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
But it was also up for a f an Oscar
I believe for Best Picture.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
So it grossed right three hundred million, about which, yeah, Lee,
how much did they actually make off this so you'd know,
is there like a ballpark figure number they make from
like movies or as far as what it costs to
make a film.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I'm looking that up. I believe they made like you said,
they made three hundred million. I'm not exactly sure where
they made.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
They gross three hundred yeah, exactly. Let's talk about we're
talking numbers. A little difference there. So it gross three
hundred million. They might have cost them one hundred million
to make it right and everything else that.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Goes into it.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Sean Towey, who's the son of the two We's, he
spoke on barstool Radio yesterday about exactly how much they've
made the claim of millions of dollars. Here's that played out.
Speaker 7 (02:45):
I met my dad for launch, and you gave me
the check and like we get paid off a thing like, yeah,
it's made so much money now that like they can't
hide it.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
I think.
Speaker 7 (02:54):
I think there's like two and a half percent kicker
down the line. Again that'll be it'll be public. So
someone that really cares to go back and ring through
it can do so. And I bet through that we've
probably we using me personally only because I can speak
for that. I mean, like sixty seventy grand of the
course the last four or five years. It comes in
like the first year was like a fourteen thousand ar
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check and it was like an eight and seven whatever.
Someone so forth down that meth it, but it was
just start of a little higher.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Than if it went down.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
So his dad also mentioned something like forty thousand dollars
that he made off.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
The blind Side was produced by out Coon Entertainment and
released by Warner Brothers. The film's production budget was thirty
min whopping twenty nine lee twenty Is that a lot for.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
A movie like this? I don't know any twenty nine
million is is?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I mean, that's that's that's a decent budget, but that's
not a lot at all.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
How much was that, like just for sed your bullock million?
Speaker 6 (03:55):
I mean for reals, but wait, if they got a
two and a half percent kicker, that comes out about
seven point seven to five million, So that, I mean,
maybe that's what they're referring to.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
As far as what they made.
Speaker 8 (04:07):
I'm seeing four point six off because it netted one
to seventy five based off.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Okay, so this two and a half off to put
it in perspective for you, Q two hundred and fifty
million was the budget to make Avatar.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
The way, Well, there's a lot more that goes into
that though, right, I'm just sad to see I'm just
giving you, right, but I'm just giving you like two
hundred and fifty million versus twenty seven million, you know, right, right, right,
But but like that's like apples and oranges like you
we'd have to like what's the budget for the program?
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Right?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Great point of the program? Yeah, what is the budget
for the program now? And how much of it went.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
To uh maybe like thirty years before?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, all right, just off that. Do you guys think
the program?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Somebody got rich off that movie? I mean, let's go
to the original point of it. Though, somebody got wealthy
off that. If you only spent twenty seven million make
the movie and it grows three hundred million.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
What it mad say, one hundred and forty something? He said,
A yeah, somebody made money. Oh the producers didn't.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Whoever was the one to put in the money to
make it? I mean that's who That's who's making all
the money off of it. I mean, here's what I
don't know, all right. You know, Michael or no longer
is playing. He made I think close to thirty five
million during his career, and he's now what six years
removed I think from playing. And what you don't know
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is is sometimes like someone looks back and they're like
man like I didn't get as much as I thought
or I thought I should have got.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
More in the business deal.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
And the hard thing is is like, well, or maybe
like they're still getting, you know, some pay from it.
Maybe he's getting a little bit, but he thinks he should.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Get more from it.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
The hard thing is like, that's not usually how it works,
like unless you're the one with the money in a
deal putting up the risk, like you're not going to
get as much out of it, even if it's your
story that you're telling. And it's hard to explain that
to people, especially in the Hollywood industry, is that the
people who get rich out the films are the people
who take on all the risk by putting all the
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money to make it happen.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
And they pay for it up front, don't they pay
for the rights to do or.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
They'll do that, they'll give him a piece up front,
but I think it sounds like they were giving a
kicker off.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Of what have they made for the movie.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Do you think that that's why he's petitioning so that
he can see if he can make residuals off of
what the movie is is currently.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Or what you continue to do Once you think he
already had that as part of it.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
I mean, maybe that's what he's upset about, is if
he's not making anything off of it.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I mean, there's clearly there's clearly a reason why Michael
or keeps popping up about the movie about him.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
Yeah, it would look like like we don't know, I
mean like he might be saying, I'm not making anything
off of it, and they're getting checks for a few
thousand here and there, and that's what he's talking about,
and he thinks he should be making more from it.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
He also mentioned that he doesn't like the portrayal. There
were certain aspects of it where, you know, not that
it painted out. I don't know if it was that
he was dumb. I didn't see the movie, so there's
no blood on my hands here. So anybody who saw
the movie, you saw the movie.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
You should be Did you get blindsided by it?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I just I just saw the movie at face value,
you know, like like it was a It seemed like
it was a kid from a rough area. He he
was happened to be a big kid, happened to be
hold on now a black Kidjez Well, you know, so put.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
It all together racist that's what this movie is. I
thought it was about a blind kid playing football.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah no, this was about it was about a big
black kid from from a hard area.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
I thought this was about like the blinds, like the
blind side of the story.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah no, from what I can gather, I mean, he
looked like he could see perfecly fine out of both
of his eyes in the movie.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
And you know Stevie Wonder on steroids.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
Yeah, just you know, I don't know, it's him mull
and high school kids like I gotta go against Stevie Wonder.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Left I did.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I did see a post on social media the other
day where there was a kid that was blind that
was playing football, and I gotta tell you, it was
funny as hell.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
I saw it too. It was funny as hell. It's
not that funny. It was not that funny too.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I kind of I kind of laughed really hard when
I watched it.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
It was sad funny. I didn't said, didn't come to
mind for me. I just I was.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I was really laughing really hard, you know, because we
live in a time, We live in a day and
age where it's like, look, everybody's equal, everybody has their
opportunity and you know what, instead of him living in
the darkness of being blind, he said, Hell.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
I'm gonna put a uniform on it. I'm gonna go
out this mother sucker and I am going to.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Do what I do. And he did.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Now you're bringing me into the other things I've seen
on Instagram, like that there's the blind guy doing the
long jump.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Did you see that one?
Speaker 6 (09:12):
The poor guy misses the pit, he jumps, he hits
the side of the hit the sand.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
I was like, man, that had to hurt so bad.
I felt awful about it. And you know what's crazy?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Season laugh? I feel bad. No, that one was funny.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
I ain't gonna lie, but you know it's it's impressive
when you see the blind dudes running one hundred meters, Now,
that's pretty pretty interesting. When they had like their spot
or winter next to them. Yeah, and they got to
be just as fast as he is.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
And just say you think the spot is always like, damn,
I should be at the cement.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
That's a lot of pressure, Like I gotta be as
fast as he is. What if I'm having a bad day,
what if I pull a hamstring while we're out LaVar.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
Let's be real, like Jonah says led us when we
were blind a few mornings show up.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
That is very true. It's been our spotter. I'm sure
that's going to happen very soon. Here a show before.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Everybody needs a pace car, you know.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
I'm sure that's going to happen in a week. I
think it just some of those honor meter racist the
spotder person like pulling them along.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
By the way, the program was a fifteen to twenty
million dollar budget and it grossed twenty three million in
the box.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
That's a disgrace that it didn't get more.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
They got im part of that twenty three million. So
I was there.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I was there when the deleted scene of laying in
the road on the double lines was still in the movie.
That's how I went. We were waiting for it to open.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
What see, we're you know, part of the he Got
Game scene like the one they had in Ray Allen
when he was in a He Got Game?
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Did you guys have a seen like that? Yeah? How
you know, I'm just saying that's what I heard. How
you know about I heard there's a decent amount of
the budget that went that scene. How do you know?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I'm just saying, which one the visiting college one. Yeah,
oh yeah, yeah, man, man, you know that happens. Man,
that that that really happens, you know, and that is
a part of the movie budget.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
You know. Now, let me ask you this, let's get
back to this story here. If you're a Michael Or.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
And you can, oh gosh, and you want to challenge this,
wouldn't you just like prove to people, like if you're like,
for example, if you're upset that you're like, hey, I
don't like my portrayal on it. You know, they made
me seem like I was dumb.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Just show them your grades? Would you just show me
your grade?
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Like, here's my g p A, Here's how I did
in this, Like I don't need to have anything to hide, Like,
I just feel like, if you're gonna make a public
accusation about what you're not making from it or how
you're portrayed, like, just throw.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Them some facts, right, And I feel like maybe you
should just do a sequel, like your own version of
the blind Sided by the blind Side, blind Sided by
the blind Side, the true story of Michael Or.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
When you turn your life story over to Hollywood, you
kind of get what you got coming to you because Okay,
like Fox Catcher. Did you guys ever see that movie?
Fox Catcher? Okay, it's fantastic, Steve Carell, Channing Tatum, Mark Ruffalo.
It's about those wrestlers, the Schultz brothers who are the Olympians.
It's awesome, is good? I mean, Steve Carell is fan.
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I think he was nominated for an Oscar for.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
That role, like he's ranged man.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah. But but one of the one of the Schultzes
was upset about how he was portrayed because there was
like some stuff with John Tupont, John DuPont, who played
Steve Carrell, in which it just seemed like there was
a very odd dynamic between the two sexual and nature
at times that wasn't true, just sort of the way,
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and he complained about it afterwards. But but the point is,
like if you turn if you turn your life story
over to Hollywood, this is what happens. They're gonna make
it into whatever movie they want to make it into,
and they're gonna have.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
A spin on it.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
Can we be real, Like most people's lives aren't that entertaining? Okay,
Like that's why when you see the movie title at
the beginning, it says, based on a true story, based
based like based on so to Michael Orr's point, like
it could have just been like, hey, the I thought
adopted me. It wasn't technically that it was a conservatorship.
(13:21):
Maybe there's some differences there that this, you know, I
was what it was portrayed as homeless in the movie, right.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I don't remember, I think so.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
So it's like I wasn't even homeless. Maybe I was,
you know, staying with someone or a relative or friend
or whatever.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
I was. I was okay, or hey, I wasn't struggling
in school.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
Like that's the problem is to your point, Jonas, like
you got to make it a compelling story, and in
doing so, you're going to have to bend the truth.
Like I hate to break this, do you guys, But
like the Rudy story, yeah, that is not exactly how
it was portrayed. Like I for a lot of Notre
Dame fans out there, they're like, oh, man, I'm like,
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have you talked to Rudy, Like he'll tell you, like
he left to go serve in the military. They don't
talk about that. Because my whole thing when I first
met him, my first question of Rudy was, hey, man,
you let your brother take your girl like we're just
okay with it. I'm like, like you went away and
you're just like, yeah, my brother worked in the factory.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
I assumed he was gonna take my girl, Like that's
just that just happens.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
He was like, well, he's like, I you know, there's
a it was like the movie really would have been
a lot longer if they told the whole story. But
he's like, I had left to go serve and then
I came back and during that point in time that's
when the relationship occurred.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
I was like, oh okay.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
I was like, that makes it a little more sense
then a little more of a time lapse. There a
lot of things that are probably going through people's heads,
but like even that story and the channing of Rudy,
you know, from my understanding of the channing of.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Rudy, it never happened in the stadium.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
It was through Bengal Belts, which he did, which is
a boxing tournament they have for students at Notre Dame,
and and that was where supposedly the Rudy Rudy like,
that's where it came from. So it was all in
Bellish to make it a better movie. And mind you,
there was plenty of walk Ons. Peach Chivarelli. Peate Schivarelli,
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I believe is one of the players who's who's pictured
and you can see carrying Frank Leahy off the field
like he could have been one of those you know,
walk on guys that the movie was about. There's been
plenty of walk ons. I played with a guy named
Mike Anello. Mike and Nello could have been that guy
for us, you know, as far as a walk on
that had had a really you know story career and
a hard worker and everything you're.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Looking for a teammate.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
But the point is, Hollywood takes it to your point, Jonas,
and they're gonna have to say, well, we don't have
much here. We're gonna make something out of this, all right,
Let's create you know, a scandal, Let's create this, Let's
create that so.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
It makes it a more intriguing story.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
You have to fit the storyline, that's the bottom line.
You have to fit the story. You have to fit
the way you build a movie. You build a story.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
We just ruined a lot of people's feelings about cinema
right now because why, there's a lot of people out
there that the Rudy story Fox Catcher the blind side.
They've now been blindsided with the fact that, yeah, there's
a spin on this. It's not exactly everything that you
thought it would.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
If you are sitting there thinking that there's no spin,
your problem extends far beyond us hurting you with what
we just did on this segment and to leave.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
You with this.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
You know, Jonas told me a lot about one portion
of the film industry that I was not aware of,
and again, like reality versus what's portrayed. I was like, Okaya,
didn't know they filmed the ending?
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Yeah, first first.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
But it makes sense, it makes complete sense.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Once you said that, I was like, that makes so
much sense.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Now listen, I'm just here to help, just.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Saying you pitched it a lot and helping to provide
that perspective.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
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Speaker 5 (17:12):
So.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I don't know if you guys were aware of this,
but Iowa's got a little bit of a gambling problem.
The state of Iowa.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
What makes you say that?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, just you know, Iowa, Iowa State players betting on
the Syhawk Bowls betting than other stuff.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
I mean it's just Iowa though, right, there's not like
a bigger problemise.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
There, No, no, I mean you know. Well, according to
Kirk Farrence, the head coach of Iowa, he mentioned yesterday
and talking with the media locally there in Iowa about
just sort of how he found things a little bit
interesting in reference to the Iowa Department of Criminal Investigations
the DCI, and just how they've looked into the scandals
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involving gambling with current players former players at Iowa and
Iowa State, and he had this to say in regards
to all of them. I mentioned the DCI level.
Speaker 9 (18:01):
That's curious to me only in that I mean, I've
had a lot of time to think about it.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Now.
Speaker 9 (18:06):
There's forty United States by my account, that play football,
have college universities that play football. I think it's interesting
that we're the only state I'm aware of, and I
think it's interesting to more than two colleges in our
our state. So that's kind of interesting how that all
came about. Not excuse amb it's involved, and then also
I assume they've you know, maybe had charges against non
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athletes as well. I don't know that point there is,
I don't know a lot of things right now, and
we'll deal with what we do know when it's presented
to us.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
So Kirk Barns doesn't know a lot, but he just
find it interesting.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Well, look, that's just one way that people speak to
kind of make it a thought provoking comment for others. Right,
Like he's basically saying, why aren't like why are you
in the media ask you this question, which it's a
fair thing to say in all honesty, Like is this
just specific to Iowa? Is the state of Iowa? And
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they're like what rules of gaming commission? Are they the
only ones who are that I guess, you know, clamping
down on then this sort of activity that no other
state is willing to do so, or it's just you know,
the Iowa student athletes. I mean, he brought up the
point about it it's it only student athletes. Well unless
there's underage you know, betting and they're doing it through
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their parents. I'm not really sure what he was pointing to.
You know, maybe he's like, is he thrown as managers
or trainers under the bus because they have insider knowledge.
I'm just a bit curious as to what that comment
had to do with anything else. But no, it's it's
a it's a fair, you know statement to make and
bring up that if it's going on in Iowa, it's
probably going on elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yes, more, I mean more, there's probably other places where
it's going on more.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
But but also Farence has to understand how this works.
Whoever's the first one, they're gonna get all the heat.
They're gonna like, they're gonna they want to set a
precedent that you can't do this. And so this is
almost a warning shot to everybody else around college football
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that hey, we do look into this and you will
get caught. Look what's happening to Iowa. They're the example
that's being set right now. So for Kirk Farents to
come out and go, well, you know, I find it
a little bit curious. Of course, we'll just say it,
like what other programs out there do you think have
gambling issues? Just I mean, just say it. But to
come off that way and just to point fingers and say, well,
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it's interesting that we're the only state that's getting investigated
when it comes to this, Like, come on, dude, you
know how this works. You are the first one to
get popped for it, and so they're gonna lay the
hammer on you. That's how this works. So I just
I find it a little bit funny that Kirk Farance
has taken this direction.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
But what direction?
Speaker 6 (20:53):
I mean, he look, he might be acknowledging the fact that,
you know, since they are the first, he's going to
a pop for it. But I think the problem is
is everyone seems to make it and we've done this,
like we are guilty of this on the show, making
it seem like it's purely an Iowa thing. Now granted
that's because Iowa Sam usually is on the boards and
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he's very offensive and protective when you know it comes,
so it has a little bit to do with that,
but it's a fair point. I mean, if it's going
on elsewhere, why is this bringing being brought up anywhere else?
It seems like it obviously is in the NFL. It's
it's doesn't seem like it is in college outside of
Iowa Iowa State, or maybe they're not bringing up as
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big of a deal about it.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
I think the hard thing is for a lot of like.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
The Hawkeye fans or Iowa fans where it's Iowa State
or Iowa. In some of these cases, like you've got
guys who are betting against their team and they're playing
in the game, or or they're laying bets where they
could ultimately manipulate the outcome. I mean the Arlen Bruce one,
who is the wide receiver for Iowa. Yeah, that's the
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most damning. And then it makes you go back and
comb through every catch, everything he did to see I mean.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
I was talking about this with a buddy of the weekend.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
You know there's you know, he had bet the under
in a game where he scored the touchdown to hit
the over, and someone had said, didn't seem too thrilled
after that touchdown. It was kind of a you know,
a whole hum touchdown celebration. There's another example of him
catching a ball to get past the six on third
and two and he stumbles in the open field. I mean,
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if he keeps his feet, he's in the en zone
for a touchdown. But he stumbles in the open field.
And so it makes you want to say, Okay, did
he lay a bet on that game? Did he have
the under in that game too, and he was trying
to and by the way, I think two plays later
I turned over the football and there was a time
when there was a botched punt. I mean, there's all
sorts of ways you could potentially manipulate the game, and
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I just I feel like Kirk Ferens has to understand
he's got to get a grip on that at Iowa.
I mean, I don't care if it's going on other places.
You can't worry so much about other places. You just
need to worry about what's in house unless he knows
something we don't and they're being targeted for some reason,
which Matt Campbell, which should feel the same way then
and asking his you know, those same questions. You got
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to clean up some in house stuff going on right now?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Do you guys think that we would ever hear if
this was more rampant in college football, because I don't.
I think they would figure out a way to handle
it and it would never get out because if it
turns out that it's more than just Iowa Iowa State,
but it's also other programs around college football, now everybody's
going to be second guessing what the hell they're watching
every week.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Can I ask you guys a question, And I'm going
to first direct it to LeVar, because LeVar, like when
you played and especially in college, did you pay attention
to lines and.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Spreads and all that stuff?
Speaker 3 (23:55):
No?
Speaker 6 (23:56):
I didn't either, Like I didn't grow up in a
house whole where there's any betting. Like I remember, at
some point, whether my freshman or sophomore year, a senior
made I think I was a freshman because a senior
made a comment to me, and I'm like, what do
you mean. He's like, you don't look in the paper
to see what the spread is? I said, no, I said,
I'd never really, I don't even understand what.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
That stuff means.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
And Jonas, you're gonna test to this, Like if anyone's
taught me anything about betting, jon You've probably the person
i'd credit the most.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
It's a wonderful world.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Well that may be the case, but like, what's crazy
to me is is there's that that many kids now
who are into it like I was. I was just
so ignorant to it and maybe almost one of the few.
Maybe it's more rampant than I thought, Like, did you
have a bunch of guys LeVar in your locker room
that like knew that all that stuff was going on.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I don't know. I never paid. That was never that
was never a part of my conversations, So I wouldn't.
I would be totally oblivious to that. Like they're you know,
like there's just certain things you just you're oblivious to,
like what guys are into. Certain guys are into certain
things like I'm not hearing about. I could tell by
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the way Jansen smelled when he came into the locker
room every once in a while that him and Corey
Raymer had just come from from hunting to go straight
to meetings and didn't have time to shower. Well, this
smell it off whatever that spray is. They used that
that attracts deers or whatever. Horrible smell. But I mean
(25:29):
outside of eventually asking it, like hey.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
John, why do you smell like that dog?
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Like like, oh, I just came in and just came
in from you know, they like to, if I recall correctly,
they like to bow and arrow, you know, hunt, So
that was that was their thing. I just you know,
I was focused on what I was focused on. I
never heard about anything, like I don't know like I
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kind of like sitting there thinking like why was I
so oblivious?
Speaker 5 (25:58):
But yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Don't recall hearing about gambling other than when we were gambling, right,
like we sit down, we throw bones, or we played tonk.
Talk was my that was like the one that was
big for our team. Like you know, some guys played
like you said, bou ray and boo stuff like that,
but you know, yeah, yeah, tonk was was was the
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game we like cause it was quick, you know what
I mean, like you get in, you get out, like
you could play tonk anywhere. So I mean me and
me and Chimp used to sit on the planes and
play tonk. Like we'd be right there, that was our seats,
our row. We'd be playing tonk like that was it?
Like that was the extent of gambling. Is you bring
a couple thousand dollars, boom, you sit there, you play
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tonk done Like that was it? Not not sports betting,
not sports gambling. The only thing I had ever heard
about that was on Blue Chips back then.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
You know that's right by the.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Way blue Chips now looking back, pretty so accurate, so accurate.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
He's fought off, like I can't tell you how many
college coaches offered me a tractor?
Speaker 5 (27:04):
You know, for my family being from.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Ohio, you were Ricky Rowe.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
They pulled up, there was like a John Deere tractor.
I was like, man, I live in a suburb, bro, Like,
you don't need to bring all that, Like we're not
We're not you know, plowing any fields or anything. Well,
you couldn't use an extra tractor. Like, no, dude, I'm
in a neighborhood. My neighbor's looking at you right now.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
You can go ahead and tow that thing back out
of here.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Give me a John Deere.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
What am I.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Gonna do with that?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
What about the for you got to go to a
school I really didn't.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
I mean, I'll be honest with you, LeVar.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
You know, the the the middle class of Erica, white guy,
was not really a lot of that going on.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
There was there was a there was there was I'm not.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
Gonna say what programs, but there was one where I
went on a visit where they tried to like kind
of do some stuff up.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
I will say this.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
It wasn't SEC school, And I was like, all right,
like that I was, I mean, look, I was a
very sheltered kid when I was young and all that.
My mom had taken us down on a trip. So
it was an SEC school and they were they were,
you know, they're trying to take me and one of
my teammates I brought with me out for a good time.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
And I was just like, yeah, I'm not really into this.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Those Florida Gators, man, they're all the same. Oh stopevable stuff.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
I'm knocking out who it was.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
But it was it was an SEC school, and I
was like, all right, that's how they do it down here,
all right.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Damn Tennessee volunteers. So how could they do that to you?
Just what I mean, don't don't give the name of it,
just the city they're located in.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Man.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
When I visited Tennessee, I'll never forget, we had an
academic visit, and my mom was obviously like hard on them, like, hey, like,
you know, what's your academic rankings?
Speaker 5 (28:47):
You know what a study hall looked like? What does
this look like?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
The guy couldn't tell us where their business.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
School was ranked, and she almost got up out of
the room. And she was in there with another mom
justin Valentine as a running back and of going to Minnesota,
and and she was like his mom was like, oh,
hell no, She's like, You're not going to waste our
time having us come here and not be able to
tell us this and that. Like it was like basically
at that time, that was like Phillip fullmer time. It
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was just football U you know, like they really weren't
paying attention to class or anything else. But that was
I had a wide receiver when we were there because
we did like a little senior like one day camp thing,
and I was really trying to get him exposure and
he ended up breaking his wrist compound fracture. It was
one of the most gruesome things. Like when I like
he was doing out and up and when he planned
(29:35):
it for the out, he put his he put his
hand down and he broke snap both bones in his wrists,
and I literally, like you could hear it from where
I dropped back from across the field. Our head coach,
our quarterback coach ran over. We're pretty sure he might
have crapped himself because it was like so painful. But
they put that thing in an air cast and we
(29:55):
were in there the university hospital all night as they
tried to reset it and everything, and we had to
drive back all through the night to Columbus because I
was flying out to Colorado to visit cu.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
The next morning.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
It was just a crazy set of circumstances. But I've
never seen a break like that in person. And then
actually the receiver lost like the use of to his
fingers because the way it ended up, like messing up
his wrist and all that.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Oh my god. Well, hey listen, that's the way.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
But there was no gambling involved that. Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (31:16):
So we open up the show talking about the Dalvin
Cook signing with the New York Jets. Before that went
down in the NFL yesterday, there was another team in
the division in the AFC East that made an announcement
and it was the New England Patriots who announced a
signing of Ezekiel Elliott. So the former Cowboys all pro
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agrees to a one year deal with the Patriots for
three million dollars. It comes with a one million dollars
signing bonus and the deal with incentives could be worth
up to six million dollars. He also announced that he's
going to wear number fifteen, which he wore at Ohio State,
So he's going to go back to his roots a
little bit there. Ian Rappaport of the NFL Network sent
out this tweet a short time ago. The plan for
(31:59):
soon to be Patriots running back Ezekiel Elliott is he
will fly to New England to be on the ground
this am making the signing official. Then catch the teams
playing to Green Bay, where the Pats and Packers will
have joint practices starting tomorrow. Elliott should participate. So Zeke
Elliot find a home.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Huh how about that good for him?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Go for him? I mean kind spot or does that
go for m Q? Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
I mean yeah, I think playing is better than not playing.
I mean, you know he's gonna get carries in New England.
He's a he's a downhill runner, man. I mean him
and Ramandre Stevenson are two beasts. You know, those aren't
the type of guys that I mean if you look
at the combination of backs in Dallas last year, you know,
Zeke between the tackles Tony Pollard, you get him outside
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an any sort of the outside zone scheme. That's really
what you're trying to do with New England. It's a
little different. I mean, Zeke's kind of similar to Stevenson
in some ways. The both are capable catching the football,
but they're not necessarily like a mismatch out of the
backfield for you. So maybe it lends a little hint
(33:08):
to what Bill O'Brien's looking at doing in New England
and how they're gonna go about doing it. But interesting,
uh that that that's where Zeke would pick of the
different destinations in places that he was looking at.
Speaker 9 (33:20):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
I mean, it's that's a loaded division. Man.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
There's just there's so many talented players in the AFC
East and I'm curious to see what his impact is
going to be.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I know this might sound horrible, but I just wonder
if he'll make it through the entire season.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Well too, on Thengland on the roster, like I'm saying
on the roster, because you're saying that's the new England way.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yes, yeah, I'm just that's that was the first thing
I thought when that signing took place and they signed him.
I think that the bonus was a million dollars. Yeah, yeah, So,
I mean I was just my first thought was I
wonder if he'll make the entire season on the.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Roster, because they do.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
There's been some other Vets who've gone there and then
not like made it through.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Camp, right Reggie Wayne Wayne, I thought, yeah, and just
didn't work out. And then who did they? Was it
Jonathan Cooper who was the offensive lineman. They traded Tired, Yeah,
they traded Chandler Jones for and they got him back,
and then they just walked away from him pretty quick.
Like it's almost like Belichick just sees what he's got
(34:27):
and then says, yeah, I'm not waiting around for this.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
He'll walk away. Now.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
He will walk away, but he is going to I mean,
there is an opportunity for him there because to Brady's point,
Wheremondre Stevenson's the starter, they've been trying to find somebody
to take carries behind Ramandre Stevenson. So Elliott's going to
get that opportunity. I just I hope that it works out.
I hate it when a guy like Todd Gurley, for example,
Todd Gurley goes to Atlanta and he's a shell of himself,
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and yeah, he had more serious injury issues than Ezekiel
Elliott had. I would like for one of these running
backs to go to another place on a one year,
prove a deal like Zeke's doing and actually ball out,
actually have a good season, because I feel like that
could go in maybe a long way in him getting
maybe a longer term deal next offseason, or maybe the
Patriots keep him around. So I'm hoping he goes well
(35:14):
for Zeke.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Yeah, I mean obviously you hope it goes well.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
I mean, I think that's the case for any player.
It just it's gonna be weird seeing him in a
different uniform. You know, when he burst in the scene.
He had such a great rookie year in Dallas, you
kind of thought maybe he'd be there for the entirety
of his career when he signed the extension, and obviously
things haven't necessarily worked out that way. So quite the
contrast too, of organizations and structure from Dallas to New England,
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you know, I mean, LaVar, you touched on it, right,
like Jerry Jones will help players with different things outside.
I'm not saying Robert Kraft wouldn't do something along those lines,
but I guess the difference is it doesn't feel like
many players do that because of you know, Bill Belichick
as the head coach and wanting to make sure every
player is focused on football and that's the only thing
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they ultimately really care about, you know, like they don't
give a crap about your other marketing deals and other
stuff you've got going on if you're not producing on
the field, and then that stuff matters. So very different
atmosphere or culture and environment there in New England as
compared to Dallas, at least with some off the field stuff, right,
I mean, could you guys, can you guess imagine if
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Zeke jumped in that Salvation Army you know, bucket or
whatever it was, if it was with the New England
Patriots like the Bill Belichick film session afterwards.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, probably not, Probably not a good idea for him.
I also wonder do you think Jerry Jones is quietly
rooting for it not to work for Zeke like a
because that's his former player. And also apparently Jerry Jones
and Robert Kraft don't actually get along all that well.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
But there.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
You know, against that.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah, maybe you just want to see his acts do well,
you know, maybe he's one of those guys you know,
so maybe he looks at that.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Is that how you are? Is that why you bring
it up like var or I do something else?
Speaker 5 (37:00):
Or you're just going to root against us? Oh?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I mean, well you guys, Yeah, but I'm saying as
far as like exes go, Yeah, I'm not one of
those root against anybody.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Yeah, so you would root against us but not your exes.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yes, that's correct. I mean, there is the way this one.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
Far that's OK.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
But I wouldn't be shocked he was, that's true against
one of us. If we did something differently, I'd be
more shocked.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
Actually if he was like overly complimentary or or like
tried to give you anybody.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
But I wouldn't want that either.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
So I'm pretty sure he'd even if he was like
rooting for us, like, I don't think he'd reach out and.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Say no, absolutely not. Yeah, no, definitely not. By the way,
Speaking of running backs, Jonathan Taylor, So he is back
at Colts training camp. We talked about this yesterday, but
he's still.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
On the.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
According to Ian, is his ankle back.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Well.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Even though he's back at training camp, according to Ian Rappaport,
he still wants to be traded. So he has not
moved off his stance. So he wants to me.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
When your owner says what he says, that's I mean,
you drew a line in the saying like he's not
going back across that. I just I don't know, man,
I would it would be really hard for me to
have an owner say what he said and be like really,
and even in the locker room, you'd have to imagine
other players are talking about when Jim Irsay is saying,
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and like no one cares. Basically, if you're not in
the league, you're not a part of the team. I mean,
you just even if you think that, even if there's
some truth to that, you just can't say it, right,
Like I don't care what we're talking about, football or
any other organization. As a leader, like you just can't
say that, even if you're thinking it, or even if
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it may be true.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 6 (38:46):
I think that was the straw that broke the camel's
back in this case.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
What you guys have told me about Jonathan Taylor and
how good of a guy he is and his reputation
for being just a really solid dude, the idea that
he I think he would have come back, and I
think he would have played, even though he didn't get
the contract that he wanted and he didn't get more money.
But I think to your point, that was a deal
breaker when Jim Orsay made it personal and took that stance.
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Jonathan Taylor took it personal, and I don't think he's
going back.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Who wants to be told no one cares about you, right,
Nobody cares about you.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
John, By the way, Shane Steichen's got to be like, dude,
we could use all the help we can get here.
We got a young quarterback.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Do you think Frank.
Speaker 6 (39:30):
Right like said anything to Shane steike In, Like if
they know each other's like, hey man.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Good luck, look out, look out for this, Okay, like.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
The crap I had to deal with when I was there.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
So then what do they do? Do you think he
gets traded? I mean at some point if he if
he just doesn't want to play there and you're you're
trying to change a culture.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
They're putting him on the pup, aren't they.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, he's on the pup list right now.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (39:51):
So here, here's the tough part is One, he's on
the pup you're gonna be trade aways on that, and
he's he's got to get off that. Two, if you
look at the deal, even with Dalvin Cook, right, which
was much better than Zeke's, it's still not even what
the franchise tag is, right. And so like the other
situation that we haven't talked about is Josh Jacobs. Yeah,
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if you're the Vegas Raiders, like you could rescind it
and be like, yeah, go be a free agent.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Go you know, go where you want to go.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
I don't know how much is out there because of
how the running backs.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Are viewed in the marketplace.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
So I mean, look, the most value you probably have
in a trade.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
For Jonathan Taylor's now because he's still.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
Got another year left on his rookie deal, and then
you'd have the use of the franchise tag for one
or two years. So the reality is you could trade
for him, give up something, and at least have a
really good player under contract for one year before you
have to make the franchise tag decision, which is a
little more pricey, But the way these contracts are looking,
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it's likely that pricey, So you know, I think you
could probably facilitate a trade. It really comes down to
like what the Colts are willing to accept in exchange
for or Jonathan Taylor, and then you've got to work
out that deal, that long term deal I would assume
with the team that trades for him. Unless this is
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just purely emotional now, and Jonathan Taylor has said, I
just don't want to play for an owner that literally
does not care if I'm in the league or not
or alive or whatever.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Else, Right, you would, did Jim Mersey went to death route,
and Jonathan Taylor's like, hold on a second, yeah, yeah, Look,
you don't want to pay me fifteen million a year. Okay,
that's fine, but we're talking about dead bodies and I
could be out of the league and you don't care.
It's like, what.
Speaker 6 (41:37):
That's probably a good lesson for all those listening out there.
You know, you probably don't want to go to extremes
and utilize death when talking in negotiations or just the valuing, or.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
Maybe you do, maybe you really want to put that
bad boy to bit.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
I'm like Jonathan the general manager, Chris Ballard has got
to be like looking around, going are you serious, Jim?
Like every year there's a problem, Like every year there's
some sort of an issue. Last year was a disaster.
You've You've brought in different quarterback the last four years,
every like it has been an absolute disaster in Indianapolis,
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and Jim Mursey only makes it worse. And someone's like, hey, whatever,
Like this is my team, just the way that i'll
the way that I operate. I do wonder though, what
the next team would be for Jonathan Taylor, Like I'm
efforting if we can get some odds on the next
team for Jonathan Taylor, efforting, Yeah, I'm freaking around to
see if I can find it an actual betting line here,
all right, all.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
Right, I mean, let's start off with the teams within
their division.
Speaker 6 (42:37):
Jacksonville doesn't need anyone, not that they would trade in
their division, but if it gets to that point, I'm
not sure.
Speaker 5 (42:44):
So let's just rule out the AFC South, all right.
Speaker 6 (42:46):
So now you have to look at like, who's who's
really looking for a running back that doesn't have one
right now?
Speaker 2 (42:53):
So I've got some teams here. This according to Fox Sports,
who threw out these are hypothetical odds. This was a
little over a week ago. That's the most fresh version
of this that I can find, And it just it
feels like these are the usual suspects. Uh So, who
would you say, outside of the Colts, are the team
most likely according to Fox Sports at a plus four
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point fifty to land Jonathan Taylor and where he'll be
suiting up next year. No, okay, it's a team that's
been in the news and they've been connected to several
of these running backs.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Why don't you just tell us we have game shows?
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Miami Dolphins it feels like the Dolphins are connected to everybody,
like that's the cool team to go to.
Speaker 5 (43:37):
Who do the Panthers have that running back?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Uh, they've got a few guys.
Speaker 5 (43:42):
Have they brought him Mouse Sanders? Yeah they brought Yeah,
sure your free agent.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Though the Bills are also on this list of the buckets.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
The Bills are usually in that conversation.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Yeah they don't. They they have a who's kid? That
just Siund with the Jets, don't They have his brother?
Speaker 5 (44:01):
Uh brother James Cook. They drafted the second round.
Speaker 6 (44:06):
They're loaded that They got Latavious Murray, they got Damian Harris,
they got a bunch of guys.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah, so Jonathan Taylor still wants to be traded. We'll
keep you posted.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
Is to understand that Dolphins makes sense? Like what about
what about the Broncos?
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Who do the Broncos have?
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Like you have to basically run like a four to
two Williams the chase at Men's.
Speaker 5 (44:30):
Crockett, the Maria, the Maria Crockett.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Like samaj p Ryan.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
Yeah, p Ryan is that's a good name.
Speaker 6 (44:40):
I'm surprised the uh, the Chiefs are like somewhere in
the mix there, Like if you're gonna go somewhere else.
Why not just go with the team you feel like
this might make some I know they got Pacheco and
they obviously drafted clydewards Ailaire.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
In the first round, but go load up. Want to
try to win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah so, but you will see what Jim Mersey does,
whether or not they do and part with Jonathan Taylor.
He's back at camp, still on the pup list, but
still wants to be traded that according to the reports
out there on the Colt running back.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
So apparently the great story the blind Side with I.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Thought that's I thought that's what you were segueing into
last segment.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Yeah, I kind of thought that too.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Yeah, but you segue right into Dalvin Cook and we
talked jets, which was fine. But when I said, you know,
royalties and all that stuff, you don't get any and this,
that and the other, I.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Thought you'd set them up.
Speaker 5 (00:35):
I thought that's where he was going. Hey, Q, how
are you doing?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Good man, I've been hanging out, was listening to y'all.
I don't know what the hell's going on by scenes, but.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
My dog, I was waiting for you to take it.
I gave, I gave, I gave my quick response, was
ready for you to give, give you give yours, and
then you weren't there, and I had to go ahead
and try to keep giving more of a response. And
you know, so, I'm glad you're here.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
I don't want to blindside you guys. Yeah, good job,
cut you guys off.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
So Michael Orr filed a petition in Tuesday or in
a Tennessee court on Monday, rather to end the conservativeship
with the family who quote unquote adopted him, in which
the movie The blind Side was based on. He claims
that he never received money for the movie, but instead
the two Wee's, the family who adopted him, they negotiated
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a deal that made them and their birth children millions
of dollars in royalties. So there's a book coming out,
he's going on the offensive. This gets filed, and it
just feels like maybe this story that was presented that
resulted in Hollywood and everybody else getting involved. I believe
Sondra Bullock was the star of that movie as well too.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
She actually one best actress, I believe in her portrayal
of Leanne Twoey or help you pronounce it.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
But it was also up for a f an Oscar
I believe for Best Picture.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
So it grossed right three hundred million, about which, yeah, Lee,
how much did they actually make off this so you'd know,
is there like a ballpark figure number they make from
like movies or as far as what it costs to
make a film.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I'm looking that up. I believe they made like you said,
they made three hundred million. I'm not exactly sure where
they made.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
They gross three hundred yeah, exactly. Let's talk about we're
talking numbers. A little difference there. So it gross three
hundred million. They might have cost them one hundred million
to make it right and everything else that.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Goes into it.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Sean Towey, who's the son of the two We's, he
spoke on barstool Radio yesterday about exactly how much they've
made the claim of millions of dollars. Here's that played out.
Speaker 7 (02:45):
I met my dad for launch, and you gave me
the check and like we get paid off a thing like, yeah,
it's made so much money now that like they can't
hide it.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
I think.
Speaker 7 (02:54):
I think there's like two and a half percent kicker
down the line. Again that'll be it'll be public. So
someone that really cares to go back and ring through
it can do so. And I bet through that we've
probably we using me personally only because I can speak
for that. I mean, like sixty seventy grand of the
course the last four or five years. It comes in
like the first year was like a fourteen thousand ar
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check and it was like an eight and seven whatever.
Someone so forth down that meth it, but it was
just start of a little higher.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Than if it went down.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
So his dad also mentioned something like forty thousand dollars
that he made off.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
The blind Side was produced by out Coon Entertainment and
released by Warner Brothers. The film's production budget was thirty
min whopping twenty nine lee twenty Is that a lot for.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
A movie like this? I don't know any twenty nine
million is is?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I mean, that's that's that's a decent budget, but that's
not a lot at all.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
How much was that, like just for sed your bullock million?
Speaker 6 (03:55):
I mean for reals, but wait, if they got a
two and a half percent kicker, that comes out about
seven point seven to five million, So that, I mean,
maybe that's what they're referring to.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
As far as what they made.
Speaker 8 (04:07):
I'm seeing four point six off because it netted one
to seventy five based off.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Okay, so this two and a half off to put
it in perspective for you, Q two hundred and fifty
million was the budget to make Avatar.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
The way, Well, there's a lot more that goes into
that though, right, I'm just sad to see I'm just
giving you, right, but I'm just giving you like two
hundred and fifty million versus twenty seven million, you know, right, right, right,
But but like that's like apples and oranges like you
we'd have to like what's the budget for the program?
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Right?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Great point of the program? Yeah, what is the budget
for the program now? And how much of it went.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
To uh maybe like thirty years before?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, all right, just off that. Do you guys think
the program?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Somebody got rich off that movie? I mean, let's go
to the original point of it. Though, somebody got wealthy
off that. If you only spent twenty seven million make
the movie and it grows three hundred million.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
What it mad say, one hundred and forty something? He said,
A yeah, somebody made money. Oh the producers didn't.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Whoever was the one to put in the money to
make it? I mean that's who That's who's making all
the money off of it. I mean, here's what I
don't know, all right. You know, Michael or no longer
is playing. He made I think close to thirty five
million during his career, and he's now what six years
removed I think from playing. And what you don't know
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is is sometimes like someone looks back and they're like
man like I didn't get as much as I thought
or I thought I should have got.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
More in the business deal.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
And the hard thing is is like, well, or maybe
like they're still getting, you know, some pay from it.
Maybe he's getting a little bit, but he thinks he should.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Get more from it.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
The hard thing is like, that's not usually how it works,
like unless you're the one with the money in a
deal putting up the risk, like you're not going to
get as much out of it, even if it's your
story that you're telling. And it's hard to explain that
to people, especially in the Hollywood industry, is that the
people who get rich out the films are the people
who take on all the risk by putting all the
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money to make it happen.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
And they pay for it up front, don't they pay
for the rights to do or.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
They'll do that, they'll give him a piece up front,
but I think it sounds like they were giving a
kicker off.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Of what have they made for the movie.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Do you think that that's why he's petitioning so that
he can see if he can make residuals off of
what the movie is is currently.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Or what you continue to do Once you think he
already had that as part of it.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
I mean, maybe that's what he's upset about, is if
he's not making anything off of it.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I mean, there's clearly there's clearly a reason why Michael
or keeps popping up about the movie about him.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
Yeah, it would look like like we don't know, I
mean like he might be saying, I'm not making anything
off of it, and they're getting checks for a few
thousand here and there, and that's what he's talking about,
and he thinks he should be making more from it.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
He also mentioned that he doesn't like the portrayal. There
were certain aspects of it where, you know, not that
it painted out. I don't know if it was that
he was dumb. I didn't see the movie, so there's
no blood on my hands here. So anybody who saw
the movie, you saw the movie.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
You should be Did you get blindsided by it?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I just I just saw the movie at face value,
you know, like like it was a It seemed like
it was a kid from a rough area. He he
was happened to be a big kid, happened to be
hold on now a black Kidjez Well, you know, so put.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
It all together racist that's what this movie is. I
thought it was about a blind kid playing football.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah no, this was about it was about a big
black kid from from a hard area.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
I thought this was about like the blinds, like the
blind side of the story.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah no, from what I can gather, I mean, he
looked like he could see perfecly fine out of both
of his eyes in the movie.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
And you know Stevie Wonder on steroids.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
Yeah, just you know, I don't know, it's him mull
and high school kids like I gotta go against Stevie Wonder.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Left I did.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I did see a post on social media the other
day where there was a kid that was blind that
was playing football, and I gotta tell you, it was
funny as hell.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
I saw it too. It was funny as hell. It's
not that funny. It was not that funny too.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I kind of I kind of laughed really hard when
I watched it.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
It was sad funny. I didn't said, didn't come to
mind for me. I just I was.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I was really laughing really hard, you know, because we
live in a time, We live in a day and
age where it's like, look, everybody's equal, everybody has their
opportunity and you know what, instead of him living in
the darkness of being blind, he said, Hell.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
I'm gonna put a uniform on it. I'm gonna go
out this mother sucker and I am going to.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Do what I do. And he did.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Now you're bringing me into the other things I've seen
on Instagram, like that there's the blind guy doing the
long jump.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Did you see that one?
Speaker 6 (09:12):
The poor guy misses the pit, he jumps, he hits
the side of the hit the sand.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
I was like, man, that had to hurt so bad.
I felt awful about it. And you know what's crazy?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Season laugh? I feel bad. No, that one was funny.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
I ain't gonna lie, but you know it's it's impressive
when you see the blind dudes running one hundred meters, Now,
that's pretty pretty interesting. When they had like their spot
or winter next to them. Yeah, and they got to
be just as fast as he is.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
And just say you think the spot is always like, damn,
I should be at the cement.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
That's a lot of pressure, Like I gotta be as
fast as he is. What if I'm having a bad day,
what if I pull a hamstring while we're out LaVar.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
Let's be real, like Jonah says led us when we
were blind a few mornings show up.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
That is very true. It's been our spotter. I'm sure
that's going to happen very soon. Here a show before.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Everybody needs a pace car, you know.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
I'm sure that's going to happen in a week. I
think it just some of those honor meter racist the
spotder person like pulling them along.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
By the way, the program was a fifteen to twenty
million dollar budget and it grossed twenty three million in
the box.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
That's a disgrace that it didn't get more.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
They got im part of that twenty three million. So
I was there.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I was there when the deleted scene of laying in
the road on the double lines was still in the movie.
That's how I went. We were waiting for it to open.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
What see, we're you know, part of the he Got
Game scene like the one they had in Ray Allen
when he was in a He Got Game?
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Did you guys have a seen like that? Yeah? How
you know, I'm just saying that's what I heard. How
you know about I heard there's a decent amount of
the budget that went that scene. How do you know?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I'm just saying, which one the visiting college one. Yeah,
oh yeah, yeah, man, man, you know that happens. Man,
that that that really happens, you know, and that is
a part of the movie budget.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
You know. Now, let me ask you this, let's get
back to this story here. If you're a Michael Or.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
And you can, oh gosh, and you want to challenge this,
wouldn't you just like prove to people, like if you're like,
for example, if you're upset that you're like, hey, I
don't like my portrayal on it. You know, they made
me seem like I was dumb.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Just show them your grades? Would you just show me
your grade?
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Like, here's my g p A, Here's how I did
in this, Like I don't need to have anything to hide, Like,
I just feel like, if you're gonna make a public
accusation about what you're not making from it or how
you're portrayed, like, just throw.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Them some facts, right, And I feel like maybe you
should just do a sequel, like your own version of
the blind Sided by the blind Side, blind Sided by
the blind Side, the true story of Michael Or.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
When you turn your life story over to Hollywood, you
kind of get what you got coming to you because Okay,
like Fox Catcher. Did you guys ever see that movie?
Fox Catcher? Okay, it's fantastic, Steve Carell, Channing Tatum, Mark Ruffalo.
It's about those wrestlers, the Schultz brothers who are the Olympians.
It's awesome, is good? I mean, Steve Carell is fan.
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I think he was nominated for an Oscar for.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
That role, like he's ranged man.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah. But but one of the one of the Schultzes
was upset about how he was portrayed because there was
like some stuff with John Tupont, John DuPont, who played
Steve Carrell, in which it just seemed like there was
a very odd dynamic between the two sexual and nature
at times that wasn't true, just sort of the way,
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and he complained about it afterwards. But but the point is,
like if you turn if you turn your life story
over to Hollywood, this is what happens. They're gonna make
it into whatever movie they want to make it into,
and they're gonna have.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
A spin on it.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
Can we be real, Like most people's lives aren't that entertaining? Okay,
Like that's why when you see the movie title at
the beginning, it says, based on a true story, based
based like based on so to Michael Orr's point, like
it could have just been like, hey, the I thought
adopted me. It wasn't technically that it was a conservatorship.
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Maybe there's some differences there that this, you know, I
was what it was portrayed as homeless in the movie, right.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I don't remember, I think so.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
So it's like I wasn't even homeless. Maybe I was,
you know, staying with someone or a relative or friend
or whatever.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
I was. I was okay, or hey, I wasn't struggling
in school.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
Like that's the problem is to your point, Jonas, like
you got to make it a compelling story, and in
doing so, you're going to have to bend the truth.
Like I hate to break this, do you guys, But
like the Rudy story, yeah, that is not exactly how
it was portrayed. Like I for a lot of Notre
Dame fans out there, they're like, oh, man, I'm like,
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have you talked to Rudy, Like he'll tell you, like
he left to go serve in the military. They don't
talk about that. Because my whole thing when I first
met him, my first question of Rudy was, hey, man,
you let your brother take your girl like we're just
okay with it. I'm like, like you went away and
you're just like, yeah, my brother worked in the factory.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
I assumed he was gonna take my girl, Like that's
just that just happens.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
He was like, well, he's like, I you know, there's
a it was like the movie really would have been
a lot longer if they told the whole story. But
he's like, I had left to go serve and then
I came back and during that point in time that's
when the relationship occurred.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
I was like, oh okay.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
I was like, that makes it a little more sense
then a little more of a time lapse. There a
lot of things that are probably going through people's heads,
but like even that story and the channing of Rudy,
you know, from my understanding of the channing of.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Rudy, it never happened in the stadium.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
It was through Bengal Belts, which he did, which is
a boxing tournament they have for students at Notre Dame,
and and that was where supposedly the Rudy Rudy like,
that's where it came from. So it was all in
Bellish to make it a better movie. And mind you,
there was plenty of walk Ons. Peach Chivarelli. Peate Schivarelli,
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I believe is one of the players who's who's pictured
and you can see carrying Frank Leahy off the field
like he could have been one of those you know,
walk on guys that the movie was about. There's been
plenty of walk ons. I played with a guy named
Mike Anello. Mike and Nello could have been that guy
for us, you know, as far as a walk on
that had had a really you know story career and
a hard worker and everything you're.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Looking for a teammate.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
But the point is, Hollywood takes it to your point, Jonas,
and they're gonna have to say, well, we don't have
much here. We're gonna make something out of this, all right,
Let's create you know, a scandal, Let's create this, Let's
create that so.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
It makes it a more intriguing story.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
You have to fit the storyline, that's the bottom line.
You have to fit the story. You have to fit
the way you build a movie. You build a story.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
We just ruined a lot of people's feelings about cinema
right now because why, there's a lot of people out
there that the Rudy story Fox Catcher the blind side.
They've now been blindsided with the fact that, yeah, there's
a spin on this. It's not exactly everything that you
thought it would.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
If you are sitting there thinking that there's no spin,
your problem extends far beyond us hurting you with what
we just did on this segment and to leave.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
You with this.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
You know, Jonas told me a lot about one portion
of the film industry that I was not aware of,
and again, like reality versus what's portrayed. I was like, Okaya,
didn't know they filmed the ending?
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Yeah, first first.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
But it makes sense, it makes complete sense.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Once you said that, I was like, that makes so
much sense.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Now listen, I'm just here to help, just.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Saying you pitched it a lot and helping to provide
that perspective.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
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Speaker 5 (17:12):
So.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I don't know if you guys were aware of this,
but Iowa's got a little bit of a gambling problem.
The state of Iowa.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
What makes you say that?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, just you know, Iowa, Iowa State players betting on
the Syhawk Bowls betting than other stuff.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
I mean it's just Iowa though, right, there's not like
a bigger problemise.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
There, No, no, I mean you know. Well, according to
Kirk Farrence, the head coach of Iowa, he mentioned yesterday
and talking with the media locally there in Iowa about
just sort of how he found things a little bit
interesting in reference to the Iowa Department of Criminal Investigations
the DCI, and just how they've looked into the scandals
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involving gambling with current players former players at Iowa and
Iowa State, and he had this to say in regards
to all of them. I mentioned the DCI level.
Speaker 9 (18:01):
That's curious to me only in that I mean, I've
had a lot of time to think about it.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Now.
Speaker 9 (18:06):
There's forty United States by my account, that play football,
have college universities that play football. I think it's interesting
that we're the only state I'm aware of, and I
think it's interesting to more than two colleges in our
our state. So that's kind of interesting how that all
came about. Not excuse amb it's involved, and then also
I assume they've you know, maybe had charges against non
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athletes as well. I don't know that point there is,
I don't know a lot of things right now, and
we'll deal with what we do know when it's presented
to us.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
So Kirk Barns doesn't know a lot, but he just
find it interesting.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Well, look, that's just one way that people speak to
kind of make it a thought provoking comment for others. Right,
Like he's basically saying, why aren't like why are you
in the media ask you this question, which it's a
fair thing to say in all honesty, Like is this
just specific to Iowa? Is the state of Iowa? And
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they're like what rules of gaming commission? Are they the
only ones who are that I guess, you know, clamping
down on then this sort of activity that no other
state is willing to do so, or it's just you know,
the Iowa student athletes. I mean, he brought up the
point about it it's it only student athletes. Well unless
there's underage you know, betting and they're doing it through
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their parents. I'm not really sure what he was pointing to.
You know, maybe he's like, is he thrown as managers
or trainers under the bus because they have insider knowledge.
I'm just a bit curious as to what that comment
had to do with anything else. But no, it's it's
a it's a fair, you know statement to make and
bring up that if it's going on in Iowa, it's
probably going on elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yes, more, I mean more, there's probably other places where
it's going on more.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
But but also Farence has to understand how this works.
Whoever's the first one, they're gonna get all the heat.
They're gonna like, they're gonna they want to set a
precedent that you can't do this. And so this is
almost a warning shot to everybody else around college football
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that hey, we do look into this and you will
get caught. Look what's happening to Iowa. They're the example
that's being set right now. So for Kirk Farents to
come out and go, well, you know, I find it
a little bit curious. Of course, we'll just say it,
like what other programs out there do you think have
gambling issues? Just I mean, just say it. But to
come off that way and just to point fingers and say, well,
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it's interesting that we're the only state that's getting investigated
when it comes to this, Like, come on, dude, you
know how this works. You are the first one to
get popped for it, and so they're gonna lay the
hammer on you. That's how this works. So I just
I find it a little bit funny that Kirk Farance
has taken this direction.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
But what direction?
Speaker 6 (20:53):
I mean, he look, he might be acknowledging the fact that,
you know, since they are the first, he's going to
a pop for it. But I think the problem is
is everyone seems to make it and we've done this,
like we are guilty of this on the show, making
it seem like it's purely an Iowa thing. Now granted
that's because Iowa Sam usually is on the boards and
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he's very offensive and protective when you know it comes,
so it has a little bit to do with that,
but it's a fair point. I mean, if it's going
on elsewhere, why is this bringing being brought up anywhere else?
It seems like it obviously is in the NFL. It's
it's doesn't seem like it is in college outside of
Iowa Iowa State, or maybe they're not bringing up as
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big of a deal about it.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
I think the hard thing is for a lot of like.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
The Hawkeye fans or Iowa fans where it's Iowa State
or Iowa. In some of these cases, like you've got
guys who are betting against their team and they're playing
in the game, or or they're laying bets where they
could ultimately manipulate the outcome. I mean the Arlen Bruce one,
who is the wide receiver for Iowa. Yeah, that's the
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most damning. And then it makes you go back and
comb through every catch, everything he did to see I mean.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
I was talking about this with a buddy of the weekend.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
You know there's you know, he had bet the under
in a game where he scored the touchdown to hit
the over, and someone had said, didn't seem too thrilled
after that touchdown. It was kind of a you know,
a whole hum touchdown celebration. There's another example of him
catching a ball to get past the six on third
and two and he stumbles in the open field. I mean,
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if he keeps his feet, he's in the en zone
for a touchdown. But he stumbles in the open field.
And so it makes you want to say, Okay, did
he lay a bet on that game? Did he have
the under in that game too, and he was trying
to and by the way, I think two plays later
I turned over the football and there was a time
when there was a botched punt. I mean, there's all
sorts of ways you could potentially manipulate the game, and
(22:59):
I just I feel like Kirk Ferens has to understand
he's got to get a grip on that at Iowa.
I mean, I don't care if it's going on other places.
You can't worry so much about other places. You just
need to worry about what's in house unless he knows
something we don't and they're being targeted for some reason,
which Matt Campbell, which should feel the same way then
and asking his you know, those same questions. You got
(23:22):
to clean up some in house stuff going on right now?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Do you guys think that we would ever hear if
this was more rampant in college football, because I don't.
I think they would figure out a way to handle
it and it would never get out because if it
turns out that it's more than just Iowa Iowa State,
but it's also other programs around college football, now everybody's
going to be second guessing what the hell they're watching
every week.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Can I ask you guys a question, And I'm going
to first direct it to LeVar, because LeVar, like when
you played and especially in college, did you pay attention
to lines and.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Spreads and all that stuff?
Speaker 3 (23:55):
No?
Speaker 6 (23:56):
I didn't either, Like I didn't grow up in a
house whole where there's any betting. Like I remember, at
some point, whether my freshman or sophomore year, a senior
made I think I was a freshman because a senior
made a comment to me, and I'm like, what do
you mean. He's like, you don't look in the paper
to see what the spread is? I said, no, I said,
I'd never really, I don't even understand what.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
That stuff means.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
And Jonas, you're gonna test to this, Like if anyone's
taught me anything about betting, jon You've probably the person
i'd credit the most.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
It's a wonderful world.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Well that may be the case, but like, what's crazy
to me is is there's that that many kids now
who are into it like I was. I was just
so ignorant to it and maybe almost one of the few.
Maybe it's more rampant than I thought, Like, did you
have a bunch of guys LeVar in your locker room
that like knew that all that stuff was going on.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I don't know. I never paid. That was never that
was never a part of my conversations, So I wouldn't.
I would be totally oblivious to that. Like they're you know,
like there's just certain things you just you're oblivious to,
like what guys are into. Certain guys are into certain
things like I'm not hearing about. I could tell by
(25:06):
the way Jansen smelled when he came into the locker
room every once in a while that him and Corey
Raymer had just come from from hunting to go straight
to meetings and didn't have time to shower. Well, this
smell it off whatever that spray is. They used that
that attracts deers or whatever. Horrible smell. But I mean
(25:29):
outside of eventually asking it, like hey.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
John, why do you smell like that dog?
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Like like, oh, I just came in and just came
in from you know, they like to, if I recall correctly,
they like to bow and arrow, you know, hunt, So
that was that was their thing. I just you know,
I was focused on what I was focused on. I
never heard about anything, like I don't know like I
(25:56):
kind of like sitting there thinking like why was I
so oblivious?
Speaker 5 (25:58):
But yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Don't recall hearing about gambling other than when we were gambling, right,
like we sit down, we throw bones, or we played tonk.
Talk was my that was like the one that was
big for our team. Like you know, some guys played
like you said, bou ray and boo stuff like that,
but you know, yeah, yeah, tonk was was was the
(26:22):
game we like cause it was quick, you know what
I mean, like you get in, you get out, like
you could play tonk anywhere. So I mean me and
me and Chimp used to sit on the planes and
play tonk. Like we'd be right there, that was our seats,
our row. We'd be playing tonk like that was it?
Like that was the extent of gambling. Is you bring
a couple thousand dollars, boom, you sit there, you play
(26:44):
tonk done Like that was it? Not not sports betting,
not sports gambling. The only thing I had ever heard
about that was on Blue Chips back then.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
You know that's right by the.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Way blue Chips now looking back, pretty so accurate, so accurate.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
He's fought off, like I can't tell you how many
college coaches offered me a tractor?
Speaker 5 (27:04):
You know, for my family being from.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Ohio, you were Ricky Rowe.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
They pulled up, there was like a John Deere tractor.
I was like, man, I live in a suburb, bro, Like,
you don't need to bring all that, Like we're not
We're not you know, plowing any fields or anything. Well,
you couldn't use an extra tractor. Like, no, dude, I'm
in a neighborhood. My neighbor's looking at you right now.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
You can go ahead and tow that thing back out
of here.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Give me a John Deere.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
What am I.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Gonna do with that?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
What about the for you got to go to a
school I really didn't.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
I mean, I'll be honest with you, LeVar.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
You know, the the the middle class of Erica, white guy,
was not really a lot of that going on.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
There was there was a there was there was I'm not.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
Gonna say what programs, but there was one where I
went on a visit where they tried to like kind
of do some stuff up.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
I will say this.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
It wasn't SEC school, And I was like, all right,
like that I was, I mean, look, I was a
very sheltered kid when I was young and all that.
My mom had taken us down on a trip. So
it was an SEC school and they were they were,
you know, they're trying to take me and one of
my teammates I brought with me out for a good time.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
And I was just like, yeah, I'm not really into this.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Those Florida Gators, man, they're all the same. Oh stopevable stuff.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
I'm knocking out who it was.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
But it was it was an SEC school, and I
was like, all right, that's how they do it down here,
all right.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Damn Tennessee volunteers. So how could they do that to you?
Just what I mean, don't don't give the name of it,
just the city they're located in.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Man.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
When I visited Tennessee, I'll never forget, we had an
academic visit, and my mom was obviously like hard on them, like, hey, like,
you know, what's your academic rankings?
Speaker 5 (28:47):
You know what a study hall looked like? What does
this look like?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
The guy couldn't tell us where their business.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
School was ranked, and she almost got up out of
the room. And she was in there with another mom
justin Valentine as a running back and of going to Minnesota,
and and she was like his mom was like, oh,
hell no, She's like, You're not going to waste our
time having us come here and not be able to
tell us this and that. Like it was like basically
at that time, that was like Phillip fullmer time. It
(29:13):
was just football U you know, like they really weren't
paying attention to class or anything else. But that was
I had a wide receiver when we were there because
we did like a little senior like one day camp thing,
and I was really trying to get him exposure and
he ended up breaking his wrist compound fracture. It was
one of the most gruesome things. Like when I like
he was doing out and up and when he planned
(29:35):
it for the out, he put his he put his
hand down and he broke snap both bones in his wrists,
and I literally, like you could hear it from where
I dropped back from across the field. Our head coach,
our quarterback coach ran over. We're pretty sure he might
have crapped himself because it was like so painful. But
they put that thing in an air cast and we
(29:55):
were in there the university hospital all night as they
tried to reset it and everything, and we had to
drive back all through the night to Columbus because I
was flying out to Colorado to visit cu.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
The next morning.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
It was just a crazy set of circumstances. But I've
never seen a break like that in person. And then
actually the receiver lost like the use of to his
fingers because the way it ended up, like messing up
his wrist and all that.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Oh my god. Well, hey listen, that's the way.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
But there was no gambling involved that. Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (31:16):
So we open up the show talking about the Dalvin
Cook signing with the New York Jets. Before that went
down in the NFL yesterday, there was another team in
the division in the AFC East that made an announcement
and it was the New England Patriots who announced a
signing of Ezekiel Elliott. So the former Cowboys all pro
(31:37):
agrees to a one year deal with the Patriots for
three million dollars. It comes with a one million dollars
signing bonus and the deal with incentives could be worth
up to six million dollars. He also announced that he's
going to wear number fifteen, which he wore at Ohio State,
So he's going to go back to his roots a
little bit there. Ian Rappaport of the NFL Network sent
out this tweet a short time ago. The plan for
(31:59):
soon to be Patriots running back Ezekiel Elliott is he
will fly to New England to be on the ground
this am making the signing official. Then catch the teams
playing to Green Bay, where the Pats and Packers will
have joint practices starting tomorrow. Elliott should participate. So Zeke
Elliot find a home.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Huh how about that good for him?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Go for him? I mean kind spot or does that
go for m Q? Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
I mean yeah, I think playing is better than not playing.
I mean, you know he's gonna get carries in New England.
He's a he's a downhill runner, man. I mean him
and Ramandre Stevenson are two beasts. You know, those aren't
the type of guys that I mean if you look
at the combination of backs in Dallas last year, you know,
Zeke between the tackles Tony Pollard, you get him outside
(32:47):
an any sort of the outside zone scheme. That's really
what you're trying to do with New England. It's a
little different. I mean, Zeke's kind of similar to Stevenson
in some ways. The both are capable catching the football,
but they're not necessarily like a mismatch out of the
backfield for you. So maybe it lends a little hint
(33:08):
to what Bill O'Brien's looking at doing in New England
and how they're gonna go about doing it. But interesting,
uh that that that's where Zeke would pick of the
different destinations in places that he was looking at.
Speaker 9 (33:20):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
I mean, it's that's a loaded division. Man.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
There's just there's so many talented players in the AFC
East and I'm curious to see what his impact is
going to be.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I know this might sound horrible, but I just wonder
if he'll make it through the entire season.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Well too, on Thengland on the roster, like I'm saying
on the roster, because you're saying that's the new England way.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yes, yeah, I'm just that's that was the first thing
I thought when that signing took place and they signed him.
I think that the bonus was a million dollars. Yeah, yeah, So,
I mean I was just my first thought was I
wonder if he'll make the entire season on the.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Roster, because they do.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
There's been some other Vets who've gone there and then
not like made it through.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Camp, right Reggie Wayne Wayne, I thought, yeah, and just
didn't work out. And then who did they? Was it
Jonathan Cooper who was the offensive lineman. They traded Tired, Yeah,
they traded Chandler Jones for and they got him back,
and then they just walked away from him pretty quick.
Like it's almost like Belichick just sees what he's got
(34:27):
and then says, yeah, I'm not waiting around for this.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
He'll walk away. Now.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
He will walk away, but he is going to I mean,
there is an opportunity for him there because to Brady's point,
Wheremondre Stevenson's the starter, they've been trying to find somebody
to take carries behind Ramandre Stevenson. So Elliott's going to
get that opportunity. I just I hope that it works out.
I hate it when a guy like Todd Gurley, for example,
Todd Gurley goes to Atlanta and he's a shell of himself,
(34:52):
and yeah, he had more serious injury issues than Ezekiel
Elliott had. I would like for one of these running
backs to go to another place on a one year,
prove a deal like Zeke's doing and actually ball out,
actually have a good season, because I feel like that
could go in maybe a long way in him getting
maybe a longer term deal next offseason, or maybe the
Patriots keep him around. So I'm hoping he goes well
(35:14):
for Zeke.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Yeah, I mean obviously you hope it goes well.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
I mean, I think that's the case for any player.
It just it's gonna be weird seeing him in a
different uniform. You know, when he burst in the scene.
He had such a great rookie year in Dallas, you
kind of thought maybe he'd be there for the entirety
of his career when he signed the extension, and obviously
things haven't necessarily worked out that way. So quite the
contrast too, of organizations and structure from Dallas to New England,
(35:40):
you know, I mean, LaVar, you touched on it, right,
like Jerry Jones will help players with different things outside.
I'm not saying Robert Kraft wouldn't do something along those lines,
but I guess the difference is it doesn't feel like
many players do that because of you know, Bill Belichick
as the head coach and wanting to make sure every
player is focused on football and that's the only thing
(36:01):
they ultimately really care about, you know, like they don't
give a crap about your other marketing deals and other
stuff you've got going on if you're not producing on
the field, and then that stuff matters. So very different
atmosphere or culture and environment there in New England as
compared to Dallas, at least with some off the field stuff, right,
I mean, could you guys, can you guess imagine if
(36:22):
Zeke jumped in that Salvation Army you know, bucket or
whatever it was, if it was with the New England
Patriots like the Bill Belichick film session afterwards.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, probably not, Probably not a good idea for him.
I also wonder do you think Jerry Jones is quietly
rooting for it not to work for Zeke like a
because that's his former player. And also apparently Jerry Jones
and Robert Kraft don't actually get along all that well.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
But there.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
You know, against that.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah, maybe you just want to see his acts do well,
you know, maybe he's one of those guys you know,
so maybe he looks at that.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Is that how you are? Is that why you bring
it up like var or I do something else?
Speaker 5 (37:00):
Or you're just going to root against us? Oh?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I mean, well you guys, Yeah, but I'm saying as
far as like exes go, Yeah, I'm not one of
those root against anybody.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Yeah, so you would root against us but not your exes.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yes, that's correct. I mean, there is the way this one.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
Far that's OK.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
But I wouldn't be shocked he was, that's true against
one of us. If we did something differently, I'd be
more shocked.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
Actually if he was like overly complimentary or or like
tried to give you anybody.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
But I wouldn't want that either.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
So I'm pretty sure he'd even if he was like
rooting for us, like, I don't think he'd reach out and.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Say no, absolutely not. Yeah, no, definitely not. By the way,
Speaking of running backs, Jonathan Taylor, So he is back
at Colts training camp. We talked about this yesterday, but
he's still.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
On the.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
According to Ian, is his ankle back.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Well.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Even though he's back at training camp, according to Ian Rappaport,
he still wants to be traded. So he has not
moved off his stance. So he wants to me.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
When your owner says what he says, that's I mean,
you drew a line in the saying like he's not
going back across that. I just I don't know, man,
I would it would be really hard for me to
have an owner say what he said and be like really,
and even in the locker room, you'd have to imagine
other players are talking about when Jim Irsay is saying,
(38:21):
and like no one cares. Basically, if you're not in
the league, you're not a part of the team. I mean,
you just even if you think that, even if there's
some truth to that, you just can't say it, right,
Like I don't care what we're talking about, football or
any other organization. As a leader, like you just can't
say that, even if you're thinking it, or even if
(38:43):
it may be true.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 6 (38:46):
I think that was the straw that broke the camel's
back in this case.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
What you guys have told me about Jonathan Taylor and
how good of a guy he is and his reputation
for being just a really solid dude, the idea that
he I think he would have come back, and I
think he would have played, even though he didn't get
the contract that he wanted and he didn't get more money.
But I think to your point, that was a deal
breaker when Jim Orsay made it personal and took that stance.
(39:14):
Jonathan Taylor took it personal, and I don't think he's
going back.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Who wants to be told no one cares about you, right,
Nobody cares about you.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
John, By the way, Shane Steichen's got to be like, dude,
we could use all the help we can get here.
We got a young quarterback.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Do you think Frank.
Speaker 6 (39:30):
Right like said anything to Shane steike In, Like if
they know each other's like, hey man.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Good luck, look out, look out for this, Okay, like.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
The crap I had to deal with when I was there.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
So then what do they do? Do you think he
gets traded? I mean at some point if he if
he just doesn't want to play there and you're you're
trying to change a culture.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
They're putting him on the pup, aren't they.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, he's on the pup list right now.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (39:51):
So here, here's the tough part is One, he's on
the pup you're gonna be trade aways on that, and
he's he's got to get off that. Two, if you
look at the deal, even with Dalvin Cook, right, which
was much better than Zeke's, it's still not even what
the franchise tag is, right. And so like the other
situation that we haven't talked about is Josh Jacobs. Yeah,
(40:12):
if you're the Vegas Raiders, like you could rescind it
and be like, yeah, go be a free agent.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Go you know, go where you want to go.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
I don't know how much is out there because of
how the running backs.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Are viewed in the marketplace.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
So I mean, look, the most value you probably have
in a trade.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
For Jonathan Taylor's now because he's still.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
Got another year left on his rookie deal, and then
you'd have the use of the franchise tag for one
or two years. So the reality is you could trade
for him, give up something, and at least have a
really good player under contract for one year before you
have to make the franchise tag decision, which is a
little more pricey, But the way these contracts are looking,
(40:53):
it's likely that pricey, So you know, I think you
could probably facilitate a trade. It really comes down to
like what the Colts are willing to accept in exchange
for or Jonathan Taylor, and then you've got to work
out that deal, that long term deal I would assume
with the team that trades for him. Unless this is
(41:13):
just purely emotional now, and Jonathan Taylor has said, I
just don't want to play for an owner that literally
does not care if I'm in the league or not
or alive or whatever.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Else, Right, you would, did Jim Mersey went to death route,
and Jonathan Taylor's like, hold on a second, yeah, yeah, Look,
you don't want to pay me fifteen million a year. Okay,
that's fine, but we're talking about dead bodies and I
could be out of the league and you don't care.
It's like, what.
Speaker 6 (41:37):
That's probably a good lesson for all those listening out there.
You know, you probably don't want to go to extremes
and utilize death when talking in negotiations or just the valuing, or.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
Maybe you do, maybe you really want to put that
bad boy to bit.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
I'm like Jonathan the general manager, Chris Ballard has got
to be like looking around, going are you serious, Jim?
Like every year there's a problem, Like every year there's
some sort of an issue. Last year was a disaster.
You've You've brought in different quarterback the last four years,
every like it has been an absolute disaster in Indianapolis,
(42:14):
and Jim Mursey only makes it worse. And someone's like, hey, whatever,
Like this is my team, just the way that i'll
the way that I operate. I do wonder though, what
the next team would be for Jonathan Taylor, Like I'm
efforting if we can get some odds on the next
team for Jonathan Taylor, efforting, Yeah, I'm freaking around to
see if I can find it an actual betting line here,
all right, all.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
Right, I mean, let's start off with the teams within
their division.
Speaker 6 (42:37):
Jacksonville doesn't need anyone, not that they would trade in
their division, but if it gets to that point, I'm
not sure.
Speaker 5 (42:44):
So let's just rule out the AFC South, all right.
Speaker 6 (42:46):
So now you have to look at like, who's who's
really looking for a running back that doesn't have one
right now?
Speaker 2 (42:53):
So I've got some teams here. This according to Fox Sports,
who threw out these are hypothetical odds. This was a
little over a week ago. That's the most fresh version
of this that I can find, And it just it
feels like these are the usual suspects. Uh So, who
would you say, outside of the Colts, are the team
most likely according to Fox Sports at a plus four
(43:14):
point fifty to land Jonathan Taylor and where he'll be
suiting up next year. No, okay, it's a team that's
been in the news and they've been connected to several
of these running backs.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Why don't you just tell us we have game shows?
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Miami Dolphins it feels like the Dolphins are connected to everybody,
like that's the cool team to go to.
Speaker 5 (43:37):
Who do the Panthers have that running back?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Uh, they've got a few guys.
Speaker 5 (43:42):
Have they brought him Mouse Sanders? Yeah they brought Yeah,
sure your free agent.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Though the Bills are also on this list of the buckets.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
The Bills are usually in that conversation.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Yeah they don't. They they have a who's kid? That
just Siund with the Jets, don't They have his brother?
Speaker 5 (44:01):
Uh brother James Cook. They drafted the second round.
Speaker 6 (44:06):
They're loaded that They got Latavious Murray, they got Damian Harris,
they got a bunch of guys.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah, so Jonathan Taylor still wants to be traded. We'll
keep you posted.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
Is to understand that Dolphins makes sense? Like what about
what about the Broncos?
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Who do the Broncos have?
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Like you have to basically run like a four to
two Williams the chase at Men's.
Speaker 5 (44:30):
Crockett, the Maria, the Maria Crockett.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Like samaj p Ryan.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
Yeah, p Ryan is that's a good name.
Speaker 6 (44:40):
I'm surprised the uh, the Chiefs are like somewhere in
the mix there, Like if you're gonna go somewhere else.
Why not just go with the team you feel like
this might make some I know they got Pacheco and
they obviously drafted clydewards Ailaire.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
In the first round, but go load up. Want to
try to win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah so, but you will see what Jim Mersey does,
whether or not they do and part with Jonathan Taylor.
He's back at camp, still on the pup list, but
still wants to be traded that according to the reports
out there on the Colt running back.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
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Therapy Gecko
An unlicensed lizard psychologist travels the universe talking to strangers about absolutely nothing. TO CALL THE GECKO: follow me on https://www.twitch.tv/lyleforever to get a notification for when I am taking calls. I am usually live Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays but lately a lot of other times too. I am a gecko.