August 22, 2022 • 38 mins
It’s Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, and Dana White reveals how Jon Gruden ‘blew up’ the deal for Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski to the Las Vegas Raiders in 2020. Jonas, Brady and LaVar share their takeaways from the Manti Te’o documentary. Plus, the return of the BQ News.
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was gonna be a wild one here on a Monday. Um,
all right, who wants to start off with a fun
little what could have been story that came out of
nowhere when nobody was expecting it from a busy weekend
in the world of football. You guys ready for this.
At UFC two seventy eight, Dana White, the president of
the UFC, was taking part in something called a gron Cast. Now,
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as you can guess it, it is starring Rob Gronkowski. Yeah,
I believe it or not. And I don't know. I
don't know who else was there because the screen was
so small, I couldn't tell it qualifies. And and all
of a sudden, Rob Gronkowski brings up this, you know,
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potential scenario that could have played out. And I don't
think Dana White was expecting to have to talk about
this with an actual audience there, and and this is
how it played out. On Saturday night. I worked to
put that deal together for Brady and Gronk to come
to the Raiders. Yeah, it was almost a done deal.
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And at the last minute, Gruden blew the deal up
and said that he didn't want them, and all hell
broke loose. Man, it was crazy and and and Brady
was already looking at houses and it wasn't being said
yet that Gronk was coming. So Las Vegas would have
had Brady and Gronk the year that the Bucks won
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the Super Bowl, except Gruden blew the deal up And
I was never going to tell that story until Gronk
just said it. Yeah, he doubled down on it. Well,
Gruden day want it. Gruden killed the deal, that that
deal had been killed that or you know, the the
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irony to all of it is it would have worked
out where josh My Daniels then comes and eventually takes
over Tom Brady is very familiar with Miche Lombardi like
confirmed that that's true. Story. Well, he came out and
he came out and like tweeted about it. I mean
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gron confirmed it too. He said, hey, man, this was
the deal. Yeah, I I totally biden. If you go
back and think about the Raiders were a team that
was talked about as a potential landing spot for Brady
at the time, What does that mean for for car
and and how amazing would that have been for ticket sales?
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Oh god? And and just the amount of attention on
that team. Hold on a second. I mean in the end,
John Gruden did pick Derek Carr. Yes, he did. Like
that's that's got to be kind of like, hey, like
this guy, obviously, if you're gonna pick me over the
greatest quarterback to ever do it, I don't know, man,
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That's that's like picking you know, picking you over Jordan's
for someone else. And that's that. That's a pretty big
statement right there. Is why do you think John Gruden
acts to the deal? Why Why do you think he
did it? Because he wanted to be the biggest name
in Oakland. That's what I think, And that's why I
got rid of Khalil Matt. It was more manageable to
have just Car because Car isn't like the big, big
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personality type of dude. I think Gruden wanted to be
the star, and I think he wanted to be the
focal point of the Raiders and Brady being there, Gronk
being there all of a sudden, that's gone there the stars.
I could have seen it being Tom talking him about
it and saying, look, because they run two completely different offenses.
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And I remember this happened during when Peyton Manning became
a free agent and there's the Peyton sweep stakes. There
were some places who were like, hey, pay we want
you to recover around our system. Right like they didn't
want everyone else to have to learn peyton system. They
want to Payton to learn their system. One guy, you
know their system, instead of everyone else on the roster
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and on the coaching staff learn his system. The Denver
Broncos said to Peyton, hey, he would come here, We'll
do whatever you want. We'll do whatever you want. We'll
run your system. We'll all learn it. We'll figure it
out from there. And that's how they that's one of
the reasons how they got them, because it's such a
difficult thing to do at that point in your career
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to learn a new system. And I can promise you
Tom Brady wasn't gonna sit there and say I'm not
gonna learn the entire West Coast offense that with the
way John Gruden called it, which is the old school way,
the Marty Morning Way, Marty Morning Way way, which was
like a two centence long play call. He wasn't gonna
do it, and I can guarantee he sat back and goes, yeah, like,
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this isn't, this isn't. This isn't what I'm gonna do
at this point. And you either gonna take me and
my and what I'm gonna run and what I'm gonna bring,
or you can go find someone else. I bet that
was one of the things they talked about, because it
was talked a lot about in Tampa two that they
were going to run a you know, Bruce Arian system
all stuff. Guess what, at the end of the day
end up being a lot of concepts that Tom Brady
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was most familiar with, and how they end up calling that.
That's why Byron left, Witch and Tom kind of worked
well together at b A and Tom didn't because it
ended up being a top system when it was all
said and done. I think that played more of a
role than people realize. Also, this was that kind of
brings up the speculation. Everyone wondered who Brady was talking
about when he was appearing on the Shop. Was this
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last offseason I think, or was it earlier this offseason
when so he was on the shop and was talking
if I remember that one of the remember that and
a lot of people thought a lot of people thought
that he was like posturing though, right, I believe when
he said it, I thought he was talking about a
different quarterback. And we actually remember Jonas I laid out
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an entire, entire, like like sheet of like reasons why
it was another quarterback. But we'll get to that a second.
Here was Brady on the shop one of the teams,
and they weren't interested. At the very end, I was thinking,
you're so we had there was there was there was
a lot of argation about who it was going to be.
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I don't do the Oakland play Tampa. I don't think
they do well. That needs to schedule list no, I mean, yeah, yeah,
that's vague. They need to schedule that. They need to
like flex it out and replace that with with them playing.
Want to know, you need to make that happen absolutely.
I mean one week prior to uh, the return in Cleveland,
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swap just swap teams. Hey, we don't like this matchup?
The Raiders said, yes, oh yeah, grudge match. I mean,
look all to me, all of it checks out like data.
White even doubled down. He was asked about it after
the press conference, and they were and he didn't want
to talk about it like this was something that Grock
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brought up for some reason. Here was White afterwards. It's
true and I thought that I would never tell that
story publicly, but what the hell Gron was doing that
he brought up? But it would have been amazing for
the city, and it would have been amazing for the Raiders.
I mean, the first year there got the Brady and
Gron is real happy to hear the story. Yeah, so
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that was something that I don't think anybody thought was
going to get out. But you know, when when you
think back to it, it makes a ton of sense.
I've seen some people try and shoot it down and
say no, no, no, uh, this is uh Dana White's
just talking out of his ass. He doesn't. It's like, dude,
Gron confirmed it. Uh. You when you go back and
think about everything that was playing out at that time,
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they were a serious contender and a threat to be
able to land Tom Brady and what have made a
ton of sense in the world. I think we even
talked about it. I think when we were having conversations
Brady back then, talking about well, there's some things that
do make sense about why the why the Raiders would
be a potential landing spot because nobody was sure whether
or not John Gruten bought into Derek Carr. There was
always speculation that maybe he was going to make a
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move at quarterback and go in another direction, just like
he did if you mentioned with Kalo Mack. And it
just so to me, I think a lot of this
does check out. I just I wonder if it all
was because of ego or whatever happened when it came
to Gruden wanting to act the deal, and I'm surprised
that Mark Davis would let him just whack the deal
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like that and say no, no, no, no, no, you
have full control here, all right, you do whatever you
need to do. If I'm Mark Davis, if I could
deliver Tom Brady, especially in a pandemic here, I mean,
come on, man, like, like who's not who's not signing
enough for that? To me, that would make all the
sense in the world. But here we are. Derek Carr
got a new deal and now the rest is history.
So you can't say it's about money because I think
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Tom Brady when he first signed, they kind of signed
that like old Man's deal where him and Drew Brees
both getting paid like twenty five million a year like
that was about going great old man's well, no, like, okay,
I mean I'm not being agist right now. I'm just
telling you what it was like when when Drew Brees
and Tom Brady we're look at the side extensions. It
was like everyone's like, God, they're so old, like, but
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what do we They're so good there all favors, what
do we do? And they're like, well, you never know.
I mean they could twist that ancle walking out the side,
walking the bad So let's just teach you give him
twenty five billion a year. That was like the going rate.
It was like they were both member going back and forth,
you know, beating each other in the old time passing
record and the regular season, and and they're like, yeah,
well this guy's getting paid, this guy's getting paid twenty
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I was like, kind of it, Um, I mean, it
couldn't have been money. It couldn't have been because it
wasn't that. I mean, Tom Brady has been making that
much money there, or at least wasn't initially in Tampa.
You know, it wasn't really until this most recent deal
where he started making a little bit more. But I
just think The interesting thing is the fact that you
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know this was actually a possibility for whatever reason they
chose not to. I thought it was Tennessee that was
the team that that would have been easy. That's an
easy one, you know. And if you're complaining Tanna hit
Tannehill to, well, yeah, I think we brought that up
to that. You remember remember his last game in New England,
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what it ended with Tennessee. It's also okay, like he's
still bitter about it, like he played against him during
his time, and I thought it was tanning Hill for sure,
and then now this comes out. I was like, whoops, whoa, whoa,
let me fix that. Brady at a hole at a
whole board with like the red string tied to another
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picture and like the whereabout everything? Yeah, it was I mean,
like yours. It was more fun because Rable the tan
Hill stuff, losing his final game. You know why. It
makes more sense for tax purposes playing in Tennessee. There
was financially, everything was covered the entire breakdown, no stone unturned, LaVar.
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It got to the point where I was like, my
wife's like, what's wrong with you? I was like, I
don't know, I can't stop. I'm saying late at night
trying to the numbers, had an obsession with finding out
who it was. Man, Well listen, well now we know. Yeah,
sometimes you don't never get the answer. Yeah, this came
out of nowhere. We got the answer. Now, I didn't
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better play your us off the rest of the way
because Tom Brady said this happing guy, you chose to
keep me. What's what means that after this year, if
Tom wanted to keep playing, we don't know what's you
know why he's gone he supposed to he does enjoy McDaniel. Yes,
that's what I'm saying. Um, I just I love how
Data White was just like, you're really bringing this up,
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like we're really going you're really doing really do this,
sitting there with that big a smile on laugh on
his face. Yeah, yeah, we are. Yeah, yeah. I don't
know if Grog realized. You know, Tom still is playing.
By the way, so as if he's not gonna be
asked a ton of questions, I'm sure this is gonna
be one of the first ones that media finally gets
her hands on him when he returns from the abduction.
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He's on right now, So so there's that. By the way,
we'll have more on that story coming up later on
throughout the show. Yeah, the abduction. Yeah. So be sure
to catch live editions of Two Pros and a Cup
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playing the violins from anto, Oh, don't be that? Come on?
Come on, Brady, how does he? How is it the
love of your life? But you never met her? I
don't I don't understand. Okay, first off, I don't know
because I can't relate with that, all right. I was,
I was, you know, never fond of a long distance relationship,
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but you know, always would still try to go see
that person whenever I had the chance. I think when
you grow up in a YI, it's it's a different
like life when you're trying to get back and forth,
and you probably have to be pretty affluent in order
to do that, especially to South ben Indiana, you know,
during the time in college, which is you know, supposedly
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how how you know when they're met and all that.
I think the relatable thing is and the most relatable
thing that that I would like took away from that
whole thing because everyone I was like, how how could
you not know? Like how could you get full? And
how could you you meet so many people when you
are a celebrity, especially at that age when you're young,
you at school, at that level, when you're on the
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national stage, like especially like I remember coming back from
my senior year that oh five to oh six, like
I couldn't go anywhere without someone recognized me as that person.
And so when you when he decided to come back,
when he came back, like you can't help but throughout
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even the course of your career, like during a Notre Dame,
as you build up, as you play as a freshman,
it's a national brand and you can't help. But you
don't want to help people. But also like you know,
you're reaching out to people, you send videos and all
the stuff. You know, if that whole thing started because
he thought he had met someone, right, which back then,
it's it's hard for us to understand now because like
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everything is so accessible to us online. Back then, it
wasn't like you could meet someone or someone could say
that met you at an event. You're go, yeah, probably,
and it'd be hard to look back and find out
whether you actually were at that event with that person.
Like camera phones weren't prevalent, they started to become that
like where most people had there are a lot of
people out to FaceTime. Well, by the way, listen to the
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the voicemails, like I mean I was, I was like, okay,
that sounds like a girl. And then the picture, you know,
the picture like that dated picture. The dated picture was
like okay, like if you were looking for by the way,
like let's just put the stick, let's just packages together.
It is a very attractive young woman who supposedly went
to Stanford. Like I'm sorry. Most people will be like,
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all right, that's probably something I want to pursue. And hey,
I'm doubting on football right now. And and and trust me,
the academics are tough, so you don't have a ton
of free time. And I my high school spear was
down in my own of Ohio when I was when
I was going through college, so I'd go down to
see her what I could, but it was tough with
the schedule that you had to drive four down, four
hours down, four hours back, and so you you start
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kind of putting together and going okay, like I could
see back then based on how the world operated, like
how that could potentially happen and if and if he
ended up having a relationship with someone who was there
for him and spoke to him and helped encourage him
and helped him through some tough times like was portrayed,
Like I could see how that coming out, But like
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you know, the tough part is is how you handle
it once you find out that everything you thought was
a lie. Which that that's where I think makes this
whole story really interesting. And I kind of figured he
was gonna say what he was gonna say, like at
the Heisman everything else where you kind of have to
go along with the company line at that point. Like
I said this to you guys before we talked about this, like,
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is that the moment you really go, hey, by the way,
this girl that I thought was dead that I really
cared about apparently it's alive, Like it is that the
moment before the Heisman Trophy where you say that, yeah,
there were there were two things they were right. There
were two things that kind of jumped up in my mind.
One is did he go that long without getting ass
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like did he really go? Okay? So so that's where
I feel like there's maybe some things that weren't technically
that's what I'm like, that's the first conclusion I came
to immediately, like your wait, hold on, wait, but that.
But then I'm like, look, the dude is super ridiculously
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religious and spiritual, and that is a real thing. You know,
that's a real thing when you don't you know, put
you know, a lot of weight on some of the
things that people that don't carry those very strong spiritual
um and religious beliefs um what they do and how
you handle things. I think that he was just I mean,
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I think he was just gullible. But my my, here's
the thing though. My number two takeaway was the so
so a sopa so yapa? What what? What? Was the
just one of the most selfish, self centered, self driven,
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like you name it anything, one of the most selfish
things that I have ever and when I mean the
most disgustingly selfish, like can you say diabolical? Like I
mean it is as and and and you know what
what really really really irritated me watching it is it
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was all about that person justifying things for themselves. It
was like always like, oh, I was just so glad,
like you just told this dude and your other voice
that the person he loves died. You so selfish can't
let him go, so you called back and say it's me, Like,
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it's you tormenting this dude. And by the way, I
don't to give away the spoiler, because there's a there's
a development uh with Nya and um, you know, so
I don't want to give that detail away, but we'll
just put it this way. Some things have changed. And
so this idea that it's my favorite part of the
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whole thing is when Renia is talking about the profile
and it's saying, you know, look, it's like, it's when
I made this profile. It's a it's all you know,
it's it's it's my my interest, it's my favorite music.
It's like, that's like really, yeah, except not your photos
and wrong gender. That that's the only thing you know
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other than that it taught me that's a big big
that's a big detail. What a scumbag that is. That's
a scumbag thing. No real copability whatsoever. Yeah, no copability
and could have really stopped this from really falling on
man who had sold all of it. That was one
of the things I thought about by the way, it
was like, all right, I guess, well, I guess there's
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two ways of looking at it. If he never called back,
it would have been fine, right, well, it would have
been fine. But some of the dead Spins articles found it,
they still would have and that was the only reason
why the dude started tripping out in first place. Right.
But but I wonder, I wondered if it would have
had the impact on Manti the way it did because
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as dead Spin started to construct their article, and obviously
they're an awful publication, so we we've kind of seen
the death of dead Spin over the course of you know,
spasically since that time. And and look, and the worst
part about that was, I mean, let's just be real
about what it was. You had a young star in sports,
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right who obviously was taken advantage of by a confused
individual about where they were in their life, and then
you had a publication and dead Spin before getting all
of the in formation, ran the story. And you can
make the case that it ruined both man Ta Teo
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and Ranaya Tuyasa Sopo or however, uh they're identifying themselves now,
it ruined, it ruined their lives like like literally because
they didn't have all the facts and and they were
actually patient enough Tim Burko, I think it's the guy's name, right,
and Jack whatever, because they weren't patient enough to actually
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get all of the facts. Because they wanted so badly
to make ESPN look dumb. That was their objective. They
talked about it because that was there, that was their
entire motivation. They then ruined two people's lives and now
come back, they're just sitting down talking about it like
it's okay. They should be sued. There should be some
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sort of defamation that's taken place, because as we saw
from the media outlets, and by the way, some of
those media people work for Fox. Some of those media
people work for the publications people ran wild with the
speculation legitimately, I mean questions the guy's sexual orientation there,
your team's questioning him and whether or not he should
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or not should not be a first round pick off.
That this whole thing cost it Man Tito his career. Listen,
I'm telling you it costed him his career because if
you're paying attention to what he says, he forgave himself
and he forgave the person. But I don't think he's
ever started fully trusting himself. I still think he's by
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my like my, like my, I know this sounds crazy.
My spirit went out for him, man like my. I
connected with him like like I felt like man like,
he's still fighting this. He's still battling this right now today.
So you're talking about when he said, like, this is
what made me who I am, Like, I'm like, that's
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my buckets, brother, right there. I know exact actually what
he's talking about. That that that go down on all fours.
I will bite your leg off. I will. I will
handle this business the way that I need to handle it.
That is a mindset, that is a belief that you
are the baddest thing moving out there on the field.
If you lose that, you've lost it all. If you're
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not willing to take those chances unapologetically with absolutely no
second thought whatsoever. I give zero f about anybody having
a problem with how I'm out here being a warrior
and I'm hunting. If you take that away from a
player that plays the way out of man tie tailor plays,
you've taken away the essence of what made him what
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he is, and that that costed him his career because
he didn't trust himself. It's like, do I trust my
decision here? That's crazy like that as crazy as a
hell to me. You you costed yourself a career because
somebody stole from you the belief in yourself and the
things that you do. Yeah, but it was all her
aichs and interests and all that. You know again, just
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the you know, the orientation and then the pictures. That
was the only thing that was alive. Other than that,
it was on the up and up. Yeah, what a
bizarre story. To that point, LaVar, like think about the
impact of everyone else in the locker room and just
how like this this story really came about because that person,
Ranya Tuyasa Soba, was having a hard time identifying in
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this world, like with how they viewed themselves. But the
problem is because of the confusion or the the I
guess fear of what would come from trying to become
the person they wanted to be, that then impacted the
identity of Mantai Tao. If you think about when he
got to the league now, because everyone's saying all this
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stuff about him, it's like, yeah, I'm not that guy,
but everyone thinks that or the or their imagination runs
wild with whatever they want to think, because there wasn't
the whole story. And so now it's not even just
what he thinks of himself, it's how everyone else identifies him, because,
as you know, when you're an alpha in that especially
on the defensive side of the ball, man he is
the guy. He's the guy, the guy. And now it's like,
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and when we just talked about losing draft stock, our
guy is gonna be able to follow him? I don't know,
man Like that puts a lot of things in question,
Like he might have been questioning some things, but I
think there's a lot of people out around him that
are questioning him. Which is the worst position you could
be in in the NFL. Like I always say, when
you see a man's confidence go in the NFL, his
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career is gonna go shortly with him, Like, that's the
one thing you could I've seen so many players that
were average at best, but they were so confident and
maybe even cocky or even arrogant that they believed they
could make every single play, and they played longer or
more successful because of that belief, because of that confidence,
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because they sure as hell didn't have the talent but
once that's taken away from you, man, that is that's
a rap. And I think there's no doubt this whole
experience not only took away his own confidence, but I
think the confidence that other people had in him as
a player. Man. Yeah, wild story, Man, that's a wild story.
Just I mean, that's a wild one. I can't have
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you ever known anybody who got calf I had a
buddy who got calt fished, and I knew no, I
sort of got this's a true story. And and it
was different because it ended up, you know, being it
was a girl, just not the pictures or a profile
that that she sent over. But I remember it was
all the sum watching this where they're talking about well,
you know, he tried to face time and it was blurry,
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or they tried to meet up, but something else happened
and they tried. It was all the same tactics. It
was the same thing. I remember him saying, yeah, I'm
supposed to meet up with her. But that's the thing.
It was. Catfishing wasn't even a thing back then. You
didn't even know there was There was no name to it.
Somebody catfishing me, Yeah, there was no name to me. Yeah,
and I just remember and when she finally, you know,
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let the cat out of the bag, that like, all
I need to be honest with you. It was just
because she had run out of lies and excuses for
not wanting to meet up. And I remember he just
saw the picture and said, oh, yeah, that's not you.
All right, take care and it was like, I'll move
it on now. But we've talked about it afterwards. It
was just it's such a bizarre, weird thing to do
that you create an entire fake profile, a fake orientation,
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sexual orientation, all of it, just to try and get
close enough to somebody but not close enough to where
they find out who you are. It's just the whole
psychological thing is weird. And uh and yeah, he got
screwed because of it, lost millions of dollars and and
all that. But I just, you know, I don't know.
I wish you would have come clean at some point
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and let everybody know, like, hey, you know, this isn't
exactly on the up and up. This kind of did.
But the problem was is like no one believed him
because they didn't have the other side of the story
and the understanding as to why I think when you
first tuned into the document or first that first episode,
you go, oh, okay, like this was this was like
(29:06):
there was a lot going on here, and that's that's
what makes it well, that's what makes it really you know, intriguing,
and you're kind of and like as they play it
out and as you hear that, because you sit there
and like, I think the one thing that makes it
so impactful and I'm sure like so many people have
reached out to him, is there so many people who
probably sat like for a second issues. I thought they
(29:27):
did a great job of portraying it from his lens
of what happened, and then you kind of go, day
that could have happen to me. It makes way too
much sense, is what I'll say. There's not one moment
where I sat there, like Jonas said, and put my
my vu. In fact, my I had an entire orchestra
by the time I got to the bro I got
(29:48):
choked up watching the joint. I got choked up and
and and and I was like I was I was
explained this to my kids because I was like, it
could take you a lifetime to build your reputation. You
were saying that Rania inspired you in a lot of ways. No,
not at all, and and it takes a second to
to ruin it all right, a second of miss judgment
to ruin it all I said, you look at man
(30:10):
Tie Tail. Man t Teo said something one of the
things that like one of the most like I can
it would be devastating to me. They once said there's
Man Ti Tail. Now they say there's man Thy Tail.
You know, like you go from being the hero of
the mass proportion that he represented. He was such a
(30:32):
big brand. He represented like the Polynesian culture, he represented
people from Hawaii like he. There were so many people
that were all in on on Man Ti Tail, like
absolutely loved him. His decision to go to Notre Dame
I thought was fast. His decision to stay at Notre
(30:54):
Dame was fascinating. His his him making it to a
national title. Is that the whole thing for his storybook
for a career, talking about coming from Hawaiian that he's
in South Bend and he's like, oh, I feel for
different because he's still dealing with it. Yeah, he's still
(31:14):
dealing with that. Although I'll say this, um, he's doing
all right. I mean that he a man say he
didn't bad. He's doing okay. He didn't do bad that beach.
He didn't do bad, and my eyes work. I'm not
(31:35):
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Let's go to the news task. Here's Brady Quinn. So
we did talk about football is back and probably not
a better place to start than high school football. Yeah,
I sent you guys a clip. Now, this is a
four overtime game in Georgia high school and they run
a trick play. Uh. The winning team in this case, um,
(32:43):
it was Loganville High school who ends up doing this,
but they basically it looked like it was a misdirection
kind of handoff. Did I think the tight end who
then turns and throws the ball over his head? Uh
to a receiver named Josh Rutter who caught the ball
in the end zone for the win. But if you
haven't seen it, go out there look it up. I'm
(33:05):
sure if you just type in Georgia high school football game,
crazy pass or something, you'll see it. He literally takes
the ball, turns his back, tosses it over his head.
The receiver dies that catches at the end zone. Successful
highlight reel made the b Q news. Awesome, guy throwing
the ball back behind his head? No, look awesome? Kind
(33:26):
of a risky move in that spot now, kind of
a risky play call? Well before you, coach, Now, how
many times do you need to practice that to ever
feel like I've this? I would never feel confident running that, never, Never,
I would never feel confident. How about this? I think
I was wide open. I mean, there were players around him.
It was a great throw. But what are you doing
(33:47):
in four overtimes pulling a play like that off? I
don't know, but all I know is that guy is
gonna be peacock and when he walks into those reunions
for the rest of his life, you will never forget
that play the rest of your life. I don't care
if it was a peeweek. People don't think you're making
it up. You did what? Yeah? Right? Good for him, Yeah,
(34:09):
good for him, that's all right. But a Flack and
Jailo got married. Yeah weekend. Yeah, so they're hitched. H Casey.
If Flack couldn't make it, I did share a post
that talking about it, kind of giving them a little
bit of a hard time. The weird the weird thing
was is he said, you know, good things are worth waiting.
And as I'm kind of reading this and and and
(34:30):
his welking him jail to the family, I'm like, haven't
already done this before? Like wasn't she already a part
of the family at one point time? Or I'm am
I mistaken and that they were engaged that okay, So
that's not like serious enough for Casey A Flack to
be like, hey, you're part of the family. Yeah, it's
a little a little bizarre. I just what do you?
I just want to know what Alex Rodriguez thinks about
(34:52):
all this because I just the timing of everything. They
just happened to end up together right after they break up.
I just think that there was maybe some negotiations, as
they say, while she was still in a relationship with
Alex Rodriguez. That's what it feels like to me. It's
kind of kind of moved pretty quick here and now
they're married. I mean, you know, a lot going on.
(35:15):
How old is Jennifer Lopez by the way, something? All right?
So Ben Affleck is, uh, he's fifty. I think he's young.
And j Lo she's there. You go, good for him. Hey,
she's still Hey man, she is one serious piece of work.
I'll tell you that, because she gets them. They go
(35:36):
right on back. Yeah, going on. She's she's special forward.
What do you mean whatever? Award winner? I don't know.
Let me know she's got going on. Don't know, squat,
I just don't know. Hey I do. It's right there.
Look at that. That's what's going on. Do you guys
want to hear about the one of the all time
(35:59):
worst criminal. Yeah, well, Tennessee's suspect has been investigated for
a stolen car. Well it was it was he was
found out or found in general, because he, uh, he
left this wallet in the stolen car, probably probably gonna
need that. Probably what an idiot? Uh So now any
(36:23):
other any other piece of evidence there they just they
had at that point. But I mean, you know, he
could say, well that wasn't really mine, you know, or
you could say I was you know, somebody else, you know,
put that there. I I don't know, I don't know
what's happening. Like it just feels like if you're gonna
leave just your wallet, was their I D was their
(36:45):
credit cards, the whole thing was in there. But okay,
so there's no way he's going to get out of this. No.
And that's the best part is imagine Flank thinking you
got away with it, and they come knock on the door,
They're like, here's your wallet. Oh oh yeah, there was that?
There is that? What a bummer? I mean, if you're
an idiot, I mean, this is what happens. Is why
(37:06):
you shouldn't be an idiot and and don't don't commit crimes.
Nature taking its course, there is that we drive a
weed out the week arn uh. Interesting story here a
woman in Houston says she was sent to the hospital
after touching a napkin on her car door that was
apparently poisoned. Yeah. This this woman, Aaron mims Um. She
(37:29):
went to a restaurant celebrating her birthday and when her
and her husband came outside and then went to get
in the car, there's a napkin on the door, and
according to her account, she just threw it out and
she began to open the door with the tips of
her fingers and she asked her husband, did you put
it on there? He said no. But then when her
finger started to feel numb and tingly, and she started
(37:51):
developed symptoms from that. From there, about five minutes later,
her whole barty and body started the tingling, philling up.
She went to the hospital. Kind of crazy deal. Still
looking for the dress of the detail in this one.
What was the poison was it? Uh? They didn't necessarily
say what the substance was At this point it was unknown.
But the figure that doctors said have been a failed
kidnap attempt. Horrible people they're looking for Tom Brady maybe
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Sounded really interpret? There's a lot going on here. We
are by the way, we are happy on lead to
lap is back our executive made. Yeah, his hair looks longer,
he looks happy. He's been gone for three months, but
(01:11):
Lee is finding back. Yeah. Came back from the mountains
of Nigeria. Back from the mountain. He came back from
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(01:56):
was gonna be a wild one here on a Monday. Um,
all right, who wants to start off with a fun
little what could have been story that came out of
nowhere when nobody was expecting it from a busy weekend
in the world of football. You guys ready for this.
At UFC two seventy eight, Dana White, the president of
the UFC, was taking part in something called a gron Cast. Now,
(02:18):
as you can guess it, it is starring Rob Gronkowski. Yeah,
I believe it or not. And I don't know. I
don't know who else was there because the screen was
so small, I couldn't tell it qualifies. And and all
of a sudden, Rob Gronkowski brings up this, you know,
(02:39):
potential scenario that could have played out. And I don't
think Dana White was expecting to have to talk about
this with an actual audience there, and and this is
how it played out. On Saturday night. I worked to
put that deal together for Brady and Gronk to come
to the Raiders. Yeah, it was almost a done deal.
(03:02):
And at the last minute, Gruden blew the deal up
and said that he didn't want them, and all hell
broke loose. Man, it was crazy and and and Brady
was already looking at houses and it wasn't being said
yet that Gronk was coming. So Las Vegas would have
had Brady and Gronk the year that the Bucks won
(03:23):
the Super Bowl, except Gruden blew the deal up And
I was never going to tell that story until Gronk
just said it. Yeah, he doubled down on it. Well,
Gruden day want it. Gruden killed the deal, that that
deal had been killed that or you know, the the
(03:43):
irony to all of it is it would have worked
out where josh My Daniels then comes and eventually takes
over Tom Brady is very familiar with Miche Lombardi like
confirmed that that's true. Story. Well, he came out and
he came out and like tweeted about it. I mean
(04:04):
gron confirmed it too. He said, hey, man, this was
the deal. Yeah, I I totally biden. If you go
back and think about the Raiders were a team that
was talked about as a potential landing spot for Brady
at the time, What does that mean for for car
and and how amazing would that have been for ticket sales?
(04:25):
Oh god? And and just the amount of attention on
that team. Hold on a second. I mean in the end,
John Gruden did pick Derek Carr. Yes, he did. Like
that's that's got to be kind of like, hey, like
this guy, obviously, if you're gonna pick me over the
greatest quarterback to ever do it, I don't know, man,
(04:47):
That's that's like picking you know, picking you over Jordan's
for someone else. And that's that. That's a pretty big
statement right there. Is why do you think John Gruden
acts to the deal? Why Why do you think he
did it? Because he wanted to be the biggest name
in Oakland. That's what I think, And that's why I
got rid of Khalil Matt. It was more manageable to
have just Car because Car isn't like the big, big
(05:08):
personality type of dude. I think Gruden wanted to be
the star, and I think he wanted to be the
focal point of the Raiders and Brady being there, Gronk
being there all of a sudden, that's gone there the stars.
I could have seen it being Tom talking him about
it and saying, look, because they run two completely different offenses.
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And I remember this happened during when Peyton Manning became
a free agent and there's the Peyton sweep stakes. There
were some places who were like, hey, pay we want
you to recover around our system. Right like they didn't
want everyone else to have to learn peyton system. They
want to Payton to learn their system. One guy, you
know their system, instead of everyone else on the roster
(05:55):
and on the coaching staff learn his system. The Denver
Broncos said to Peyton, hey, he would come here, We'll
do whatever you want. We'll do whatever you want. We'll
run your system. We'll all learn it. We'll figure it
out from there. And that's how they that's one of
the reasons how they got them, because it's such a
difficult thing to do at that point in your career
(06:15):
to learn a new system. And I can promise you
Tom Brady wasn't gonna sit there and say I'm not
gonna learn the entire West Coast offense that with the
way John Gruden called it, which is the old school way,
the Marty Morning Way, Marty Morning Way way, which was
like a two centence long play call. He wasn't gonna
do it, and I can guarantee he sat back and goes, yeah, like,
(06:36):
this isn't, this isn't. This isn't what I'm gonna do
at this point. And you either gonna take me and
my and what I'm gonna run and what I'm gonna bring,
or you can go find someone else. I bet that
was one of the things they talked about, because it
was talked a lot about in Tampa two that they
were going to run a you know, Bruce Arian system
all stuff. Guess what, at the end of the day
end up being a lot of concepts that Tom Brady
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was most familiar with, and how they end up calling that.
That's why Byron left, Witch and Tom kind of worked
well together at b A and Tom didn't because it
ended up being a top system when it was all
said and done. I think that played more of a
role than people realize. Also, this was that kind of
brings up the speculation. Everyone wondered who Brady was talking
about when he was appearing on the Shop. Was this
(07:17):
last offseason I think, or was it earlier this offseason
when so he was on the shop and was talking
if I remember that one of the remember that and
a lot of people thought a lot of people thought
that he was like posturing though, right, I believe when
he said it, I thought he was talking about a
different quarterback. And we actually remember Jonas I laid out
(07:39):
an entire, entire, like like sheet of like reasons why
it was another quarterback. But we'll get to that a second.
Here was Brady on the shop one of the teams,
and they weren't interested. At the very end, I was thinking,
you're so we had there was there was there was
a lot of argation about who it was going to be.
(08:02):
I don't do the Oakland play Tampa. I don't think
they do well. That needs to schedule list no, I mean, yeah, yeah,
that's vague. They need to schedule that. They need to
like flex it out and replace that with with them playing.
Want to know, you need to make that happen absolutely.
I mean one week prior to uh, the return in Cleveland,
(08:23):
swap just swap teams. Hey, we don't like this matchup?
The Raiders said, yes, oh yeah, grudge match. I mean,
look all to me, all of it checks out like data.
White even doubled down. He was asked about it after
the press conference, and they were and he didn't want
to talk about it like this was something that Grock
(08:44):
brought up for some reason. Here was White afterwards. It's
true and I thought that I would never tell that
story publicly, but what the hell Gron was doing that
he brought up? But it would have been amazing for
the city, and it would have been amazing for the Raiders.
I mean, the first year there got the Brady and
Gron is real happy to hear the story. Yeah, so
(09:06):
that was something that I don't think anybody thought was
going to get out. But you know, when when you
think back to it, it makes a ton of sense.
I've seen some people try and shoot it down and
say no, no, no, uh, this is uh Dana White's
just talking out of his ass. He doesn't. It's like, dude,
Gron confirmed it. Uh. You when you go back and
think about everything that was playing out at that time,
(09:27):
they were a serious contender and a threat to be
able to land Tom Brady and what have made a
ton of sense in the world. I think we even
talked about it. I think when we were having conversations
Brady back then, talking about well, there's some things that
do make sense about why the why the Raiders would
be a potential landing spot because nobody was sure whether
or not John Gruten bought into Derek Carr. There was
always speculation that maybe he was going to make a
(09:48):
move at quarterback and go in another direction, just like
he did if you mentioned with Kalo Mack. And it
just so to me, I think a lot of this
does check out. I just I wonder if it all
was because of ego or whatever happened when it came
to Gruden wanting to act the deal, and I'm surprised
that Mark Davis would let him just whack the deal
(10:09):
like that and say no, no, no, no, no, you
have full control here, all right, you do whatever you
need to do. If I'm Mark Davis, if I could
deliver Tom Brady, especially in a pandemic here, I mean,
come on, man, like, like who's not who's not signing
enough for that? To me, that would make all the
sense in the world. But here we are. Derek Carr
got a new deal and now the rest is history.
So you can't say it's about money because I think
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Tom Brady when he first signed, they kind of signed
that like old Man's deal where him and Drew Brees
both getting paid like twenty five million a year like
that was about going great old man's well, no, like, okay,
I mean I'm not being agist right now. I'm just
telling you what it was like when when Drew Brees
and Tom Brady we're look at the side extensions. It
was like everyone's like, God, they're so old, like, but
(10:53):
what do we They're so good there all favors, what
do we do? And they're like, well, you never know.
I mean they could twist that ancle walking out the side,
walking the bad So let's just teach you give him
twenty five billion a year. That was like the going rate.
It was like they were both member going back and forth,
you know, beating each other in the old time passing
record and the regular season, and and they're like, yeah,
well this guy's getting paid, this guy's getting paid twenty
(11:15):
I was like, kind of it, Um, I mean, it
couldn't have been money. It couldn't have been because it
wasn't that. I mean, Tom Brady has been making that
much money there, or at least wasn't initially in Tampa.
You know, it wasn't really until this most recent deal
where he started making a little bit more. But I
just think The interesting thing is the fact that you
(11:35):
know this was actually a possibility for whatever reason they
chose not to. I thought it was Tennessee that was
the team that that would have been easy. That's an
easy one, you know. And if you're complaining Tanna hit
Tannehill to, well, yeah, I think we brought that up
to that. You remember remember his last game in New England,
(11:56):
what it ended with Tennessee. It's also okay, like he's
still bitter about it, like he played against him during
his time, and I thought it was tanning Hill for sure,
and then now this comes out. I was like, whoops, whoa, whoa,
let me fix that. Brady at a hole at a
whole board with like the red string tied to another
(12:18):
picture and like the whereabout everything? Yeah, it was I mean,
like yours. It was more fun because Rable the tan
Hill stuff, losing his final game. You know why. It
makes more sense for tax purposes playing in Tennessee. There
was financially, everything was covered the entire breakdown, no stone unturned, LaVar.
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It got to the point where I was like, my
wife's like, what's wrong with you? I was like, I
don't know, I can't stop. I'm saying late at night
trying to the numbers, had an obsession with finding out
who it was. Man, Well listen, well now we know. Yeah,
sometimes you don't never get the answer. Yeah, this came
out of nowhere. We got the answer. Now, I didn't
(12:59):
better play your us off the rest of the way
because Tom Brady said this happing guy, you chose to
keep me. What's what means that after this year, if
Tom wanted to keep playing, we don't know what's you
know why he's gone he supposed to he does enjoy McDaniel. Yes,
that's what I'm saying. Um, I just I love how
Data White was just like, you're really bringing this up,
(13:20):
like we're really going you're really doing really do this,
sitting there with that big a smile on laugh on
his face. Yeah, yeah, we are. Yeah, yeah. I don't
know if Grog realized. You know, Tom still is playing.
By the way, so as if he's not gonna be
asked a ton of questions, I'm sure this is gonna
be one of the first ones that media finally gets
her hands on him when he returns from the abduction.
(13:42):
He's on right now, So so there's that. By the way,
we'll have more on that story coming up later on
throughout the show. Yeah, the abduction. Yeah. So be sure
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(14:04):
playing the violins from anto, Oh, don't be that? Come on?
Come on, Brady, how does he? How is it the
love of your life? But you never met her? I
don't I don't understand. Okay, first off, I don't know
because I can't relate with that, all right. I was,
I was, you know, never fond of a long distance relationship,
(14:26):
but you know, always would still try to go see
that person whenever I had the chance. I think when
you grow up in a YI, it's it's a different
like life when you're trying to get back and forth,
and you probably have to be pretty affluent in order
to do that, especially to South ben Indiana, you know,
during the time in college, which is you know, supposedly
(14:49):
how how you know when they're met and all that.
I think the relatable thing is and the most relatable
thing that that I would like took away from that
whole thing because everyone I was like, how how could
you not know? Like how could you get full? And
how could you you meet so many people when you
are a celebrity, especially at that age when you're young,
you at school, at that level, when you're on the
(15:11):
national stage, like especially like I remember coming back from
my senior year that oh five to oh six, like
I couldn't go anywhere without someone recognized me as that person.
And so when you when he decided to come back,
when he came back, like you can't help but throughout
(15:31):
even the course of your career, like during a Notre Dame,
as you build up, as you play as a freshman,
it's a national brand and you can't help. But you
don't want to help people. But also like you know,
you're reaching out to people, you send videos and all
the stuff. You know, if that whole thing started because
he thought he had met someone, right, which back then,
it's it's hard for us to understand now because like
(15:51):
everything is so accessible to us online. Back then, it
wasn't like you could meet someone or someone could say
that met you at an event. You're go, yeah, probably,
and it'd be hard to look back and find out
whether you actually were at that event with that person.
Like camera phones weren't prevalent, they started to become that
like where most people had there are a lot of
people out to FaceTime. Well, by the way, listen to the
(16:16):
the voicemails, like I mean I was, I was like, okay,
that sounds like a girl. And then the picture, you know,
the picture like that dated picture. The dated picture was
like okay, like if you were looking for by the way,
like let's just put the stick, let's just packages together.
It is a very attractive young woman who supposedly went
to Stanford. Like I'm sorry. Most people will be like,
(16:40):
all right, that's probably something I want to pursue. And hey,
I'm doubting on football right now. And and and trust me,
the academics are tough, so you don't have a ton
of free time. And I my high school spear was
down in my own of Ohio when I was when
I was going through college, so I'd go down to
see her what I could, but it was tough with
the schedule that you had to drive four down, four
hours down, four hours back, and so you you start
(17:00):
kind of putting together and going okay, like I could
see back then based on how the world operated, like
how that could potentially happen and if and if he
ended up having a relationship with someone who was there
for him and spoke to him and helped encourage him
and helped him through some tough times like was portrayed,
Like I could see how that coming out, But like
(17:21):
you know, the tough part is is how you handle
it once you find out that everything you thought was
a lie. Which that that's where I think makes this
whole story really interesting. And I kind of figured he
was gonna say what he was gonna say, like at
the Heisman everything else where you kind of have to
go along with the company line at that point. Like
I said this to you guys before we talked about this, like,
(17:42):
is that the moment you really go, hey, by the way,
this girl that I thought was dead that I really
cared about apparently it's alive, Like it is that the
moment before the Heisman Trophy where you say that, yeah,
there were there were two things they were right. There
were two things that kind of jumped up in my mind.
One is did he go that long without getting ass
(18:05):
like did he really go? Okay? So so that's where
I feel like there's maybe some things that weren't technically
that's what I'm like, that's the first conclusion I came
to immediately, like your wait, hold on, wait, but that.
But then I'm like, look, the dude is super ridiculously
(18:26):
religious and spiritual, and that is a real thing. You know,
that's a real thing when you don't you know, put
you know, a lot of weight on some of the
things that people that don't carry those very strong spiritual
um and religious beliefs um what they do and how
you handle things. I think that he was just I mean,
(18:48):
I think he was just gullible. But my my, here's
the thing though. My number two takeaway was the so
so a sopa so yapa? What what? What? Was the
just one of the most selfish, self centered, self driven,
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like you name it anything, one of the most selfish
things that I have ever and when I mean the
most disgustingly selfish, like can you say diabolical? Like I
mean it is as and and and you know what
what really really really irritated me watching it is it
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was all about that person justifying things for themselves. It
was like always like, oh, I was just so glad,
like you just told this dude and your other voice
that the person he loves died. You so selfish can't
let him go, so you called back and say it's me, Like,
(19:56):
it's you tormenting this dude. And by the way, I
don't to give away the spoiler, because there's a there's
a development uh with Nya and um, you know, so
I don't want to give that detail away, but we'll
just put it this way. Some things have changed. And
so this idea that it's my favorite part of the
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whole thing is when Renia is talking about the profile
and it's saying, you know, look, it's like, it's when
I made this profile. It's a it's all you know,
it's it's it's my my interest, it's my favorite music.
It's like, that's like really, yeah, except not your photos
and wrong gender. That that's the only thing you know
(20:38):
other than that it taught me that's a big big
that's a big detail. What a scumbag that is. That's
a scumbag thing. No real copability whatsoever. Yeah, no copability
and could have really stopped this from really falling on
man who had sold all of it. That was one
of the things I thought about by the way, it
was like, all right, I guess, well, I guess there's
(21:03):
two ways of looking at it. If he never called back,
it would have been fine, right, well, it would have
been fine. But some of the dead Spins articles found it,
they still would have and that was the only reason
why the dude started tripping out in first place. Right.
But but I wonder, I wondered if it would have
had the impact on Manti the way it did because
(21:25):
as dead Spin started to construct their article, and obviously
they're an awful publication, so we we've kind of seen
the death of dead Spin over the course of you know,
spasically since that time. And and look, and the worst
part about that was, I mean, let's just be real
about what it was. You had a young star in sports,
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right who obviously was taken advantage of by a confused
individual about where they were in their life, and then
you had a publication and dead Spin before getting all
of the in formation, ran the story. And you can
make the case that it ruined both man Ta Teo
(22:08):
and Ranaya Tuyasa Sopo or however, uh they're identifying themselves now,
it ruined, it ruined their lives like like literally because
they didn't have all the facts and and they were
actually patient enough Tim Burko, I think it's the guy's name, right,
and Jack whatever, because they weren't patient enough to actually
(22:29):
get all of the facts. Because they wanted so badly
to make ESPN look dumb. That was their objective. They
talked about it because that was there, that was their
entire motivation. They then ruined two people's lives and now
come back, they're just sitting down talking about it like
it's okay. They should be sued. There should be some
(22:51):
sort of defamation that's taken place, because as we saw
from the media outlets, and by the way, some of
those media people work for Fox. Some of those media
people work for the publications people ran wild with the
speculation legitimately, I mean questions the guy's sexual orientation there,
your team's questioning him and whether or not he should
(23:13):
or not should not be a first round pick off.
That this whole thing cost it Man Tito his career. Listen,
I'm telling you it costed him his career because if
you're paying attention to what he says, he forgave himself
and he forgave the person. But I don't think he's
ever started fully trusting himself. I still think he's by
(23:37):
my like my, like my, I know this sounds crazy.
My spirit went out for him, man like my. I
connected with him like like I felt like man like,
he's still fighting this. He's still battling this right now today.
So you're talking about when he said, like, this is
what made me who I am, Like, I'm like, that's
(23:57):
my buckets, brother, right there. I know exact actually what
he's talking about. That that that go down on all fours.
I will bite your leg off. I will. I will
handle this business the way that I need to handle it.
That is a mindset, that is a belief that you
are the baddest thing moving out there on the field.
If you lose that, you've lost it all. If you're
(24:20):
not willing to take those chances unapologetically with absolutely no
second thought whatsoever. I give zero f about anybody having
a problem with how I'm out here being a warrior
and I'm hunting. If you take that away from a
player that plays the way out of man tie tailor plays,
you've taken away the essence of what made him what
(24:41):
he is, and that that costed him his career because
he didn't trust himself. It's like, do I trust my
decision here? That's crazy like that as crazy as a
hell to me. You you costed yourself a career because
somebody stole from you the belief in yourself and the
things that you do. Yeah, but it was all her
aichs and interests and all that. You know again, just
(25:02):
the you know, the orientation and then the pictures. That
was the only thing that was alive. Other than that,
it was on the up and up. Yeah, what a
bizarre story. To that point, LaVar, like think about the
impact of everyone else in the locker room and just
how like this this story really came about because that person,
Ranya Tuyasa Soba, was having a hard time identifying in
(25:25):
this world, like with how they viewed themselves. But the
problem is because of the confusion or the the I
guess fear of what would come from trying to become
the person they wanted to be, that then impacted the
identity of Mantai Tao. If you think about when he
got to the league now, because everyone's saying all this
(25:47):
stuff about him, it's like, yeah, I'm not that guy,
but everyone thinks that or the or their imagination runs
wild with whatever they want to think, because there wasn't
the whole story. And so now it's not even just
what he thinks of himself, it's how everyone else identifies him, because,
as you know, when you're an alpha in that especially
on the defensive side of the ball, man he is
the guy. He's the guy, the guy. And now it's like,
(26:10):
and when we just talked about losing draft stock, our
guy is gonna be able to follow him? I don't know,
man Like that puts a lot of things in question,
Like he might have been questioning some things, but I
think there's a lot of people out around him that
are questioning him. Which is the worst position you could
be in in the NFL. Like I always say, when
you see a man's confidence go in the NFL, his
(26:32):
career is gonna go shortly with him, Like, that's the
one thing you could I've seen so many players that
were average at best, but they were so confident and
maybe even cocky or even arrogant that they believed they
could make every single play, and they played longer or
more successful because of that belief, because of that confidence,
(26:53):
because they sure as hell didn't have the talent but
once that's taken away from you, man, that is that's
a rap. And I think there's no doubt this whole
experience not only took away his own confidence, but I
think the confidence that other people had in him as
a player. Man. Yeah, wild story, Man, that's a wild story.
Just I mean, that's a wild one. I can't have
(27:16):
you ever known anybody who got calf I had a
buddy who got calt fished, and I knew no, I
sort of got this's a true story. And and it
was different because it ended up, you know, being it
was a girl, just not the pictures or a profile
that that she sent over. But I remember it was
all the sum watching this where they're talking about well,
you know, he tried to face time and it was blurry,
(27:37):
or they tried to meet up, but something else happened
and they tried. It was all the same tactics. It
was the same thing. I remember him saying, yeah, I'm
supposed to meet up with her. But that's the thing.
It was. Catfishing wasn't even a thing back then. You
didn't even know there was There was no name to it.
Somebody catfishing me, Yeah, there was no name to me. Yeah,
and I just remember and when she finally, you know,
(27:58):
let the cat out of the bag, that like, all
I need to be honest with you. It was just
because she had run out of lies and excuses for
not wanting to meet up. And I remember he just
saw the picture and said, oh, yeah, that's not you.
All right, take care and it was like, I'll move
it on now. But we've talked about it afterwards. It
was just it's such a bizarre, weird thing to do
that you create an entire fake profile, a fake orientation,
(28:23):
sexual orientation, all of it, just to try and get
close enough to somebody but not close enough to where
they find out who you are. It's just the whole
psychological thing is weird. And uh and yeah, he got
screwed because of it, lost millions of dollars and and
all that. But I just, you know, I don't know.
I wish you would have come clean at some point
(28:45):
and let everybody know, like, hey, you know, this isn't
exactly on the up and up. This kind of did.
But the problem was is like no one believed him
because they didn't have the other side of the story
and the understanding as to why I think when you
first tuned into the document or first that first episode,
you go, oh, okay, like this was this was like
(29:06):
there was a lot going on here, and that's that's
what makes it well, that's what makes it really you know, intriguing,
and you're kind of and like as they play it
out and as you hear that, because you sit there
and like, I think the one thing that makes it
so impactful and I'm sure like so many people have
reached out to him, is there so many people who
probably sat like for a second issues. I thought they
(29:27):
did a great job of portraying it from his lens
of what happened, and then you kind of go, day
that could have happen to me. It makes way too
much sense, is what I'll say. There's not one moment
where I sat there, like Jonas said, and put my
my vu. In fact, my I had an entire orchestra
by the time I got to the bro I got
(29:48):
choked up watching the joint. I got choked up and
and and and I was like I was I was
explained this to my kids because I was like, it
could take you a lifetime to build your reputation. You
were saying that Rania inspired you in a lot of ways. No,
not at all, and and it takes a second to
to ruin it all right, a second of miss judgment
to ruin it all I said, you look at man
(30:10):
Tie Tail. Man t Teo said something one of the
things that like one of the most like I can
it would be devastating to me. They once said there's
Man Ti Tail. Now they say there's man Thy Tail.
You know, like you go from being the hero of
the mass proportion that he represented. He was such a
(30:32):
big brand. He represented like the Polynesian culture, he represented
people from Hawaii like he. There were so many people
that were all in on on Man Ti Tail, like
absolutely loved him. His decision to go to Notre Dame
I thought was fast. His decision to stay at Notre
(30:54):
Dame was fascinating. His his him making it to a
national title. Is that the whole thing for his storybook
for a career, talking about coming from Hawaiian that he's
in South Bend and he's like, oh, I feel for
different because he's still dealing with it. Yeah, he's still
(31:14):
dealing with that. Although I'll say this, um, he's doing
all right. I mean that he a man say he
didn't bad. He's doing okay. He didn't do bad that beach.
He didn't do bad, and my eyes work. I'm not
(31:35):
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Let's go to the news task. Here's Brady Quinn. So
we did talk about football is back and probably not
a better place to start than high school football. Yeah,
I sent you guys a clip. Now, this is a
four overtime game in Georgia high school and they run
a trick play. Uh. The winning team in this case, um,
(32:43):
it was Loganville High school who ends up doing this,
but they basically it looked like it was a misdirection
kind of handoff. Did I think the tight end who
then turns and throws the ball over his head? Uh
to a receiver named Josh Rutter who caught the ball
in the end zone for the win. But if you
haven't seen it, go out there look it up. I'm
(33:05):
sure if you just type in Georgia high school football game,
crazy pass or something, you'll see it. He literally takes
the ball, turns his back, tosses it over his head.
The receiver dies that catches at the end zone. Successful
highlight reel made the b Q news. Awesome, guy throwing
the ball back behind his head? No, look awesome? Kind
(33:26):
of a risky move in that spot now, kind of
a risky play call? Well before you, coach, Now, how
many times do you need to practice that to ever
feel like I've this? I would never feel confident running that, never, Never,
I would never feel confident. How about this? I think
I was wide open. I mean, there were players around him.
It was a great throw. But what are you doing
(33:47):
in four overtimes pulling a play like that off? I
don't know, but all I know is that guy is
gonna be peacock and when he walks into those reunions
for the rest of his life, you will never forget
that play the rest of your life. I don't care
if it was a peeweek. People don't think you're making
it up. You did what? Yeah? Right? Good for him, Yeah,
(34:09):
good for him, that's all right. But a Flack and
Jailo got married. Yeah weekend. Yeah, so they're hitched. H Casey.
If Flack couldn't make it, I did share a post
that talking about it, kind of giving them a little
bit of a hard time. The weird the weird thing
was is he said, you know, good things are worth waiting.
And as I'm kind of reading this and and and
(34:30):
his welking him jail to the family, I'm like, haven't
already done this before? Like wasn't she already a part
of the family at one point time? Or I'm am
I mistaken and that they were engaged that okay, So
that's not like serious enough for Casey A Flack to
be like, hey, you're part of the family. Yeah, it's
a little a little bizarre. I just what do you?
I just want to know what Alex Rodriguez thinks about
(34:52):
all this because I just the timing of everything. They
just happened to end up together right after they break up.
I just think that there was maybe some negotiations, as
they say, while she was still in a relationship with
Alex Rodriguez. That's what it feels like to me. It's
kind of kind of moved pretty quick here and now
they're married. I mean, you know, a lot going on.
(35:15):
How old is Jennifer Lopez by the way, something? All right?
So Ben Affleck is, uh, he's fifty. I think he's young.
And j Lo she's there. You go, good for him. Hey,
she's still Hey man, she is one serious piece of work.
I'll tell you that, because she gets them. They go
(35:36):
right on back. Yeah, going on. She's she's special forward.
What do you mean whatever? Award winner? I don't know.
Let me know she's got going on. Don't know, squat,
I just don't know. Hey I do. It's right there.
Look at that. That's what's going on. Do you guys
want to hear about the one of the all time
(35:59):
worst criminal. Yeah, well, Tennessee's suspect has been investigated for
a stolen car. Well it was it was he was
found out or found in general, because he, uh, he
left this wallet in the stolen car, probably probably gonna
need that. Probably what an idiot? Uh So now any
(36:23):
other any other piece of evidence there they just they
had at that point. But I mean, you know, he
could say, well that wasn't really mine, you know, or
you could say I was you know, somebody else, you know,
put that there. I I don't know, I don't know
what's happening. Like it just feels like if you're gonna
leave just your wallet, was their I D was their
(36:45):
credit cards, the whole thing was in there. But okay,
so there's no way he's going to get out of this. No.
And that's the best part is imagine Flank thinking you
got away with it, and they come knock on the door,
They're like, here's your wallet. Oh oh yeah, there was that?
There is that? What a bummer? I mean, if you're
an idiot, I mean, this is what happens. Is why
(37:06):
you shouldn't be an idiot and and don't don't commit crimes.
Nature taking its course, there is that we drive a
weed out the week arn uh. Interesting story here a
woman in Houston says she was sent to the hospital
after touching a napkin on her car door that was
apparently poisoned. Yeah. This this woman, Aaron mims Um. She
(37:29):
went to a restaurant celebrating her birthday and when her
and her husband came outside and then went to get
in the car, there's a napkin on the door, and
according to her account, she just threw it out and
she began to open the door with the tips of
her fingers and she asked her husband, did you put
it on there? He said no. But then when her
finger started to feel numb and tingly, and she started
(37:51):
developed symptoms from that. From there, about five minutes later,
her whole barty and body started the tingling, philling up.
She went to the hospital. Kind of crazy deal. Still
looking for the dress of the detail in this one.
What was the poison was it? Uh? They didn't necessarily
say what the substance was At this point it was unknown.
But the figure that doctors said have been a failed
kidnap attempt. Horrible people they're looking for Tom Brady maybe
(38:13):
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