September 9, 2024 • 55 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Dak Prescott gets paid right before the kickoff to the season. Deshaun Watson is wearing out his welcome in Cleveland. Caleb Williams escapes with a win despite a lackluster start and the guys defend Tom Brady’s broadcast debut from all the haters.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with lamar As, Brady Quinn and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feel here on a Monday morning?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
That was a weekend. That was a weekend of football, Man,
Which one is your WU for?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Though? I mean I had to have seen at least
a hundred indefanse in Chicago yesterday. Travel It wasn't good,
but you know what, it's not bad. Though it's bad,
but it's not as bad as it could it could be.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
We'll get to that.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Well, we'll get to that.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
We have a segment probably devoted for close losses, which
and then went on which your WU was for the Well,
it's football to you saying I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I'm excited football is back. You know, you gotta move on.
It's the expanded playoff era, so you can you can
lose one, you.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Can lose maybe three, so but we will talk about it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It was the it was America's game of the week.
It was the big one. It was the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
It was the delivered.
Speaker 6 (01:16):
They delivered, well Dallas did and uh and then all
of a sudden, Mike Zimmer and that defense said, yeah,
we're gonna go ahead and dismiss whatever happened in that
playoff game against Green Bay and they.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Whooped that ass yesterday. That was a beating and a half.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
But don't you feel like Dallas is beginning to be
the Baltimore of the NFC. It's like like, now under
Mike McCarthy, we don't worry about whether or not they're
playoff team. That was a problem before with Jason Garrett.
That's not a concern anymore. It's like, all right, that
was a great win. I mean, well, excuse me, good
win granted versus my super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Pick the team to win it all. A lot of
work to do there.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Don't jump off the boat yet. Come on, oh no.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
No, no season, long season, sixteen more to go. But
is that where they're at? Like, are we that? I've
thought about? You to on that one too.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Don't worry, you know, all we need to do is
get the tournament at the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
That's all we need to do.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
I thought about Jonas with the Bears. I mean, they won,
but you know, Tennessee, that's not a playoff team.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
That's not a playoff team.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I'm sorry, I get it, trust me.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I watched but but isn't this getting to that point.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
I mean, look, it's congrats the Dack by the way,
biggest contract NFL history, over two hundred and thirty million guaranteed.
I mean, I just the Cowboys got business done when
they needed to on and off the field, especially Week one.
But that's not ultimately what's going to determine Mike McCarthy's
job status. It's what they do once it comes to
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the postseason.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
That's correct.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I'm not trying to take anything away from the win.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
It was a Domina win, but it's also like the
difference of two franchises right now, where you've got one
that's that's been a twelve win team that gets the playoff.
Then you've got another one that's like still trying to
find its way of what are we doing at the
quarterback spot? I mean, both both tackles out. It was
gonna be hard for them to be productive, especially with
that matchup. But I look at it just go You've
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got a team of the Cleveland Browns that they know
what they're dealing with. It's just about trying to get
it there for Dallas. Great win, but this isn't what
we're gonna be judged based on all of us.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
And it's also Jerry Jones all off season, I mean
multiple times throughout the offseason he's brought.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Up the Green Bay thing, the Green Bay thing.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Like that loss still resonates with him. And so yeah,
like anybody that says, well, you know, why not you know,
appreciate what they're doing in the regular season, well, because
the owner is saying, listen, this is all nice. We're
winning twelve games a year, but we're not doing it
in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And that loss.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Still I think other's Jerry Jones, bothers that organization people
up top, and so now it's it's a way we
go with another Cowboys funfield season.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Ceedee Lamb snapped. He snapped out, I mean, were you
concerned about would he be ready to go, not being
in training camp, does he need to get back into
game shape or whatever? He Ceedee Lamb is a is
a guy and he's gonna make a statement for being
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the best in the league. He will, he will make
a statement this year. Dak Prescott looked good and I
know that there's there's the talk of what they do
in the postseason. One will be what Mike McCarthy has
judged off of I agree with you on that queue,
but I also agree that you gotta go one game
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out of time too, right, It's it's always a one
game season in terms of if you're going to even
be good enough or what type of momentum you have
going into the playoffs. Are are you a home team,
are you a good team? Did you limp into it,
did you stumble into it? How did you go through
the regular season? Because quite frankly, if you don't do
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well in the regular season, he don't have to worry
about what he's going to be judged and measured on
in the playoffs because they won't be going to them.
I'll say this, I'm not going to look at any
of these teams except Carolina and say that they're done
for I'm not going to look at any of them
and say that I feel horribly bad for Bryce Young
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because what the trend looks like for him doesn't look great.
But I'm not going to go too deep into that.
I'm gonna stay on Dallas when I look at all
of these teams, I'm not going to get too high
on the fact that Dallas look like a team. Need
I say what Jerry Jones has been saying all season,
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they looked like an all in team. They did. They
looked good on defense, they were flying around. They got
Trayvon Back. I think that's a tremendous obviously a tremendous
addition back to their defense after losing him. And it
is nice to see him flying around. Mike is Michaeh Parsons.
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I mean, it just is what it is. Like you
you had better figure out a way to avoid him
versus try him.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Do not.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Think that you're unless you're gonna plan on saying somebody
else has to beat us in terms of putting two
or three guys on him and blocking him. Michael Parsons
is going to dominate his part of the game, and
he's going to impact what an offense does. So to me,
looking at Dallas yesterday, they I mean Zeke. Zeke's obviously
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not the fact that he was, but Zeke serves a
very nice purpose in that run game with pass pickups
and those hard yards. Like he's like a battering ram
running back now, you know. And I was impressed by Dallas.
I really was watching that game and watching Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
See he went off, man, didn't he went off? He
went for sixty one, he went off man.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
When they used him, he did what he needed to do.
And I don't know, Cleveland. I want to say it's
a head scratcher, but if I'm being honest, that's what
I was expecting. But I don't want to say that's
what I was expecting until we get into week five,
six or seven, because they could turn it around.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
So the old line obviously was banged up. But I
was watching the game yesterday and I'm looking at the
second half and thinking to myself, there's no way Deshaun
Watson makes it through this season in one piece, Like
if that's he was taking a beating.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Right But but but eventually Willison Cocklin will be back.
Willis excuse me that that's that's one of.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
The biggest reasons when you have both tackles out and
you're going up against that defense with Micah Parsons and
whether they can rush. I just I mean, it was
a bit of an outlier, Like I don't suspect it'll
be like that every single week for me, you don't
have both.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
Your starting tackles, It's uh, it just did.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Not I'm not I'm not in on Deshaun Watson. I'm sorry,
I think and they pay they got to pay him
all that money his day cap space. Like as you've
been mentioning the whole time, I'm just not. I'm just
not a believe I'm sorry, I'm just not. I'm not
a believer in Deshaun Watson. I'm just not. I just
don't see a guy that that's going to be the
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guy that people think he was at the moment in
time he was and in Houston. I think that's a
long ago on deal. That's a pipe dream to think
that he's going to be this this world beater at quarterback.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
I mean, the last time that he was like a
really good starting quarterback in the NFL was what twenty twenty.
It's four years and injuries, you know, the weird off
field stuff, everything that came along with it. Like, yeah,
the roster's good, but I just I'm with you, I
don't I just don't see it. I don't think it's
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there anymore. And they're just going to have to wear
it and hope that you know, they can get something
and improve, you know, I guess around him, maybe get
a better more of a running game. Maybe, you know,
Jameis Winston gets an opportunity at some point. But I
just I look at it and I think Stefanski, I
don't know if he's got the power to be able
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to make the decision. But I just still go back
to Mary kay Cabot, who said a couple of months ago,
they will not be shy about benching him if they
feel like it's going to upgrade the position and they're
going to get more out of whoever's behind him. But
they ran a graphic on the game yesterday and showed listen,
when he's not in and they've got to turn to
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another quarterback, the numbers are better. And then meanwhile, Baker
Mayfield's just lighten up Washington yesterday.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
How awesome was that?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
It's great?
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Let me bad for Washington. I don't think it was awesome.
I thought it was a good game for Tampa though, But.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
I mean, well, awesome in the and the respect of
what happened, what occurred between Baker Mayfield and the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I mean, Washington, We'll get to them at some point.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
But yeah, yeah, so you're not alone. To you, you're
not alone, bro? All good?
Speaker 5 (10:39):
It was just good to see a guy who you know,
I thought had taken to Cleveland to a point where
it was as good as it was going to be
at that time, and they've continued to build the roster
to a point now where I think if he's in Cleveland,
that game looks entirely different, but maybe not a ton
different because of the issue with the tackles and that
defensive front, But to me, much better quarterback play, much
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more consistent quarterback play.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
I think they have a chance to compete and win
the game if Baker Mayfield is in that game. I'm
sorry and Djoku Atkins for Judy Amari that you have
a ton of guys more. I just think it's the quarterback.
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I'm gonna be honest, I think it's the quarterback. And
granted the Dallas offense gave a daunting Cleveland defense, that
Cleveland defense will be everything that Cleveland needs in order
to make a run for the playoffs in order to
be competitive in the AFC North. That defense will live
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up to its billing if the health of the main
guys stays what it's supposed to be. But I think
the Achilles heel of this of this team is that
they have to unequivocally put their trust in the hands
of a quarterback that just is not going to be
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able to deliver what it is that that the team
is going to need. That's that's just my take on it.
I don't want to feel like I'm throwing shade, but
y'all know me. You know, some some days sometimes I'm
the half glass. I'm the glass half empty and not
half fool. I'm half empty on this one. I think
as long as he's their quarterback, unless he proves me otherwise,
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that's going to be the Achilles Hill of this team.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Man.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
I only know the fans' perspective, just because there's so
many you know, Cleveland fans around it, you know, central
Hilo area, and it's everyone's just tired of it, and
honestly like they're tired of kind of the like.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
And this is what one buddy said to me yesterday.
He's like, man, it feels like he just makes.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
It, makes excuses for everything that doesn't go right, and
instead of just owning it and taking accountability. And he
was like, man, he's like, the guy's getting paid two
hundred and thirty million or whatever it was, guaranteed he goes.
At some point, you have to be able to take
criticism and I do feel like, I mean, think about it, well,
let's be real for a second, between his agent, his quarterback, coach,
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all parties involved, there's a lot of sensitivity about everything
that happened off the field, the jokes that have been
thrown around. At some point you have to step up
and kind of be a man and be like, yeah,
it's on me, like I signed this contract, I did
whatever would happen, was accused of the past, like he's
got to be accountable for all of that, and it
doesn't feel like he always is. I think that's the
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frustrating part too. It's one thing if you're not going
to be good enough or performing well, whatever the case is.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
It's another it makes.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Even worse when you don't take responsibility when you're the
key component to all of that. And I said, I
think that's the frustrating part for Browns fans out there
right now, is they're living with this and they've got
to for at least another.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Couple of years after this year. I think his dead
cap hits like one hundred and seventy some million.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
It's ridiculous, Like and look, you can blame ownership on that,
because this decision to sign and trade for Deshaun Watson
was all Jimmy Haslam and before they they kind of
went on this run where they had, you know, Baker Mayfield.
If you go back and look at the ownership tenure
of Jimmy Haslam, he was He's been awful as an owner.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Awful.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
I mean an oh to sixteen season, a one to
fifteen season and everything they've gone through and firing coach
after coach after coach and not even giving guys really chances.
And then he settles, like Kevin Stefanski. They have a
playoff year, they go to Pittsburgh, b Pittser in the playoffs.
That's the moment where you say, all right, Eureka, we've
got it. I don't need to move on from my quarterback.
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And instead whatever transpires between Baker Mayfield and Jimmy has
them transpires and this is the end result. Like this
is his was his response to Baker Mayfield and whatever
took place between us two. And now this is where
the Crowns are with the roster that with any almost
any other quarterback playing at an average level, probably could
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have a shot away a super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Most expensive gaff in NFL history.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I mean, I might go down as the worst end
on that trade contract.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
Everything that foll Yeah, And that's the other part of it,
like not even just the contract, everything they gave up
for it.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
And I'm just not I'm not. I'm not one of
those guys to hate on somebody's money. God bless you,
you made your money. But this one might go down
in the history and the animals as the worst. And
I said that when it happened to be honest, like
we were joking. We talked about hard towels and and
and and deep massages and all that stuff. We were
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joking around when we were talking about them. But I'm
just telling you, man, what I looked at yesterday, that
doesn't look like that's going to trend in a different direction,
tackles back or not. It just it just you know,
it's like they say, believe you're lying eyes, Like, believe
you're lying eyes. Man. At some point, if it looks
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like a duck and it quacks like a duck and
it walks like a duck, it's a duck.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
I say, do you think that it was like how
soon before the game or how soon before I guess
better question how long ago? Was this contract with Dak finalized,
because I do wonder if because they gave him.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
It looked like it was like Dang Dak balk but
it was.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
But because it happened right before the game. And look
at the guaranteed dollars. It was one million more than
what Deshaun got. And I just wonder if they were like, yeah,
we're gonna sign off on this, but we're going to
drop the news right before you go play the guy
that that organization gave the record contract.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
I didn't even see it before the game. I was
just watch I was traveling, so I was watching the
game on my phone and and like airport bars and
stuff like that because we were delayed all day. I
literally just got home like fifteen minutes ago. But I'll
tell you it just for me, Dak Prescott looked legit yesterday.
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I'll tell you that now. The reason of when to
do it and how they did it, I don't know.
I saw it. I saw it during the game, and
I was like, oh, like, you know, I said some profanity,
like one word in particular, you know, the one thing
that you know horses have and all that stuff. I
was like, oh, horse right, and and he was bawling, Like.
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It wasn't like you were looking at it and you're
looking across the field at the guy that had the
other contract that large. You were just looking at Dak
Prescott like. He looked sharp, he looked crisp, he looked confident.
They looked confident. The Cowboys look like a team that's
ready to handle their business. That's what it looked like
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to me. So if I'm Jerry Jones today or if
I'm even Mike McCarthy, you know, I'm pleased. I'm pleased
coming out of week one saying that, you know what,
if we can hold this together, stay healthy, some good things,
you know, stay in our favor. This is a team which,
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by the way, here's me making it about me as
I usually do. This will be a team that is
actually very very competitive within this regular season, and I
think they'll be pretty pretty competitive in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Yeah yeah, I mean, like I said, it really comes
down to what they do in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
That's what that's about. For Mike McCarthy, For Circh, Sure,
I feel like Dak played well. I mean, you know
what wasn't like, Oh no, I'm just I mean.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Numbers are a pedestrian.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah, it's it's pedestrian, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
But it is for that line too.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
But yeah, I mean, it wasn't like he lit the
world on fire. I was more impressed by Tyreek Hill
overcoming whatever the hell happened.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Fast to him doing that.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
And then, by the way, the throw of the decade
would have been Anthony Richardson. I have never seen anything
like that. Did you see that off his back foot
from seventy yards down field? That's crazy. I mean, that
is the most ridiculous throw I've ever seen in my
Like when you wanted to ask why, I was saying, whoo,
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that's why. I've never seen a throw like that in
my entire life. And that kid is just flat out
a superstar in the making, like you want to talk about,
like show out. I know they lost, but he keeps
that entire thing. He keeps it in that the entire
team competitive. It's not like the roster around him is
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really that supportive, at least maybe offense speaking.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
I mean, I just he makes all of that go.
That kid's impressive.
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Speaker 6 (20:56):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here on Fox
Sports Radio. All right, so we had some rookie quarterbacks
making their debut in the NFL yesterday and oh listen,
none of them looked all that hot, all right, they
didn't look all that great.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Oh you see, but.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
So Caleb Williams first up nails were painted, they know,
had they had stuff designed, and the offense went out
there and what's great about the Bears is that for
I don't know, five decades, it's been kind of the
same recipe suspect offense, but damn they've got a defense
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like they figure it out almost every single year, special
teams defense. And they were losing that game.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
They were getting wiped out in that game.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
They got some help from will Levis, who threw an
awful pick six, but no offensive touchdowns. There was an
opportunity to Keenan Allen to score. He dropped it in
his game as a Bear, and away we go with
the Caleb Williams era in Chicago. Would you like to
hear a little bit from Caleb Williams though, yes, of course,
all right, So no, no word is still whether or
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not he had the nail Paulish removed at all.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
It was still there. It was all right, don't judge him,
don't judge them.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Well here he was after the game.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
We didn't perform how we wanted to. We want to
be the most efficient team out there. You know, myself included,
didn't perform the way that I wanted to. I missed
a few passes that I normally don't miss, all of
his other things, and so I think there's small things
that always lead up to big things to.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Make games a lot closer. It's great to get this
first win.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
You know, we're all excited, went into the locker room celebrate.
I sat down and enjoyed the moment and just watching
all the guys celebrate, understanding that I need to be better.
I will be better, and then uh, you know, you know,
just take it in the first win. It's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Want to oh one of that's hand bears the bears
it Well, I mean, here's the reality.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Remember how good CJ. Stroud was last year? Yeah, yep,
all right, does anyone remember how he played versus Baltimore
Week one?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Not great, Nope, not great.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Didn't throw a touchdown Bauts, didn't turn it over, was
sacked five times, and got a lot of pressure on him.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
It wasn't one of his best games.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
In fact, I would say outside of their lost to Carolina,
which probably was the worst game he played last season,
you know, and maybe the Jets. I think he you know,
played a little bit in that Week thirteen game where
he struggled. That was one of his lesser games. And
so even though you have this player that played arguably
the best rookie season. I would say some have said
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since Dan Marino, like that's how good CJ. Stroud looked.
Like it's been that long since Dan Maria since we've
seen a rookie as a quarterback come into the league
and play the way that c. J.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Stroud did just a year ago.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
So that was the expectation to Caleb Williams, or that
was the expectation for bow or Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
It was gonna be rough.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
And I think you look, for example, at a team
like the New England Patriots, who none of us predicted
to win this past week's game. They go out and
they find a way of winning with Jacoby Brissett, and
we'll I'm sure touch on that.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
When we get to it.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Would anyone predict that well?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
And here we are. So But here's why.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Because it's still a league where there's going to be
a learning curve for all these quarterbacks. The speed is
ramped up, those windows are closing even faster. They are
now able to see some of what your weaknesses are
just from watching the preseason film, and you better believe
they're game planning for you and around it. And it's
your job not only to get a better sense of
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how to execute within your offense, but deal with the
defenses that you're seeing. And it's hard to deal with
those defenses everything they're giving you while you're still trying
to get down the timing and rhythm of the offense
you're playing with them, And just even.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
How much that game plan changes.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
For whatever Caleb Williams had for the Tennessee Titans this week,
it should be at least forty percent different fifty percent
different than what they're doing next week. Like that's how
drastic the game plan should change on a week to
week basis in the NFL, because it's so much matchup
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based that goes for your offensive line obviously your wide receivers,
running backs, tight ends, et cetera. In the passing game,
but also in the running game as far as your
mismatch that you get up front, or the different tweaks
that you've got on running plays where you feel like
you can get to edges and you.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Can exploit some of the weaknesses you see on their defense.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
So that's the that's the hard part for quarterbacks, and
it's kind of why we've got this trend of hey
by year three really want to evaluate these guys, well,
it's like he had a perfect scenario, like a year
three where they've played year one, year two into year three.
Because you're one, you're just trying to learn your stuff.
Your two, you're trying to learn what the defense is
always presenting you. And year three you put all together,
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you show out that that's a perfect scenario. A lot
of these rookies don't get that many games anymore, and
that's the difficulty in evaluating them. We tend to rush
to judgment and hopefully people don't be patient and give
these guys some time. But it was ugly football for
a lot of these rookies in the first start.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
It was ugly, But you know what, it was ugly
for a lot of quarterbacks. You just mentioned Cincinnati Joe Burrow.
I don't think any of us would sit there and
say we thought Joe Burrow would would have the type
of game that he had.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Do you know how happy I was the Browns lost
because I like our parlay party that we picked on Friday,
Like I had Bengals money line and like you guys
were busting my balls, like, oh, the biggest favorite, and
I'm thinking, man, if I would have been the only
one to lose our parlay for us because of the
damn Bengals, and then Brady's Browns came back.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
That was the only way we lost it.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
No, well, the Browns lost too, So that's saying did.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I was took?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
He took the Browns?
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Who did I take? You took the Eagles? Oh yeah,
Lamar got it anyway. I don't like to make things
about me, but let's let me go back to my
original point, right, But how.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Would you pick Minnesota versus the Giants?
Speaker 6 (27:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
I was trying to give people one that wasn't an
obvious too, you know what I mean? Like that one
that much. By the way, that was one of the
more exciting games of the weekend, by the way, the
game in South Paulo. I mean, did they give them
a show or what I'll say this. I mean he
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might have left more than that there, you know, who knows, man,
but he did leave. He did leave that. I mean,
you know, Q is the authority on that right now.
So everyone out there listening to that, that was one
Brady q quinn that gave you that right there, That
a bit of information. That's what I was going for anyway,
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Joe Burrow's numbers were pedestrian as well, Right, So I
don't think anyone's going to sit there and be like,
oh my gosh, Joe, like how I did you know
Deshaun Watson cause his numbers weren't good. But if I'm
looking at Joe Burrow and I'm like, oh, first week,
one hundred and sixty four yards, no touchdowns, I'm not
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sitting there saying that, Okay, well he's washed. I'm not
sitting there thinking that it's week one. So even though
we're looking at and we're measuring by CJ. Stroud for
these rookies, because it's still recency, I would caution people
and urge them to listen to what it is you
just said. That doesn't happen often. You don't have a
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rookie just come in and just light it up often.
So if you get that, if you get solid played
to better, throwing a young man into a game full
of pros, of grown ass men who who are in life,
have been in life versus being in college and they're
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actually lighting it up against these these guys, that's a
that is a tremendous bonus to you as onlookers and fans,
But there is a learning curve that has to be
closed down. There is experience and understanding how this, how
this worked. A lot of the things that Caleb was seeing.
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We said this during the preseason, he's going to have
to deal with being schemed when we get to the
regular season, and he was schemed in Game one. So
now it's it's like, Okay, what are these new wrinkles
that are going to come my way as a rookie
And you look at somebody like Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow
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is looking at it like, oh, I got to figure
out what are these What are these new approaches to
how they're trying to defense us, how they're trying to
defense me. Now it's on film, So to me, the
biggest tail of the tape is now that you have
a week under your belt of your being schemed. And
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this is another reason why I say, unless you're going
to use preseason that way, which nobody is going to
use what they're going to use in regular season. So
that's another reason why I just don't like preseason. But
now Caleb Williams, now, Joe Burrow, now Deshaun Watson, now
all these other quarterbacks, Jade Daniels, you name it. Now
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they have a real film of four quarters of football,
real schematics, real real uh planning, game planning. What are
the tendencies they're looking at as it applies to you
and what you're trying to do? What are you trying
to do to the defenses? Now you can do a
very very good itself scouting of what you look that
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looked like what you were looking for, what you wanted
to get done, and you can look at the defense
and see what it is that they were going to
try to do.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Because if it.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Was true success that the defense had, oh, the other
teams are going to do it. The other teams are
going to scheme you the same way if you had
success against them. I don't care if it's week one
or week sixteen, They're going to scheme you the same
way because success and success. So you got to make
sure you're looking at the film now, yep, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Let me ask you guys this, when do you think
the last time the Bengals won their season opener?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (31:40):
I don't know, three years ago, right. They're actually one
in five in their last six season openers. Like, as
much as we want to be surprised by this, because
you know, we looked at, for example, the New England
Patriots the roster and everything and said, well, clearly on paper,
they're not as good as a football team. This is
one of the things I love about the NFL is
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the talent is much more equated than I think anyone realizes.
And this has been a Cincinnati Bengals team that under
Zach Taylor, even Joe Burrow, has been a slow starting team.
And if you want to chalk it up to Jamar
Chase not being there practicing, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Okay, played in the game really didn't matter.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
But whatever you want to throw it, like, chalk it
up to they just do not do well to open
the season. It's hard for them, I think, to find
their rhythm. Maybe they do need to have their starters
play a little bit in preseason. Maybe it's not worth
it to them so much. Is this is more preseason.
This is the starter's problem season right now. And I
think that like philosophically, like big picture, and I don't know,
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maybe you disagree with this when I said this is Jonas,
but like when you play more games as we get
to seventeen, now we maybe go to eighteen. There is
an element of devaluing each week as far as what's
at stake because you.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Can lose more.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
And I think that's one of the things that college
football battles in an expanded playoff scenario, because that's what
some people have said, is like, well, it's okay, we've
lost the game, but there's probably gonna be a team
that loses three games that gets in the playoff.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
And I personally like it. I don't think that's a
bad thing. I don't think that a team early on
in the season. Now granted, maybe you lose later on
in the year, but you know what Notre Dame did, Like,
let's just use them as an example. All they did
was give away their opportunity to let one or so
get away from them later on, you let it go, okay,
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moving on. I like that because for me, it was like, okay,
if I'm being honest, and it's a lot different than
when I was in school. But let's be clear, if
you lost one game, you were out of it, no chance.
When I was in school, you couldn't lose games.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Same thing to the BCS, I mean, especially when you're
not a conference championship that's how we felt.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
But you couldn't lose a game.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
So to me, it's some people say, oh, well, it's
not as intense as not it doesn't mean as much.
Yes it does. You know why, because if you let
a game like that go, then that one game, that
one game that you you let go against a bigger,
bigger opponent where it's like the biggest game and something
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happening you didn't win. You know what, Now you gotta
win it. So now it creates that pressure in that
moment because that's the one game you could actually let
get away and still made it into the playoffs, but
you gave it away early on, which fun it's a
learning experience that could be the one loss that that
triggers us against the world type deal. You know, oh
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they CA you could go into Texas A and M.
You could be, but you can't beat this stick like okay,
we're gonna show you. Like in a good coach, which
they have a strong coach, that they have a strong culture.
I look at it and I say, those are the
things to me that make it better. It makes it
better when you see these types of and transitioning it
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back to the pros when you see guys struggle early.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
It is simple to say that this is the starter's preseason.
I don't think it takes any type of crazy logic
to know that these guys aren't ready to play. Unless
you've played four quarters in a game, you don't know
what that as feels like mentally and physically.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
You know what I thought watching Kayleb Williams because I
wasn't worried at all, Like and I'm not worried looking
at at how the offense was.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
There's a lot of new pieces there. He's a rookie,
he's young.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
I kindly got one concern, but go ahead.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
Well, like my thought on it was, it just struck
me how bad the Carolina Panthers have failed Bryce Young.
Like I watch that and I go, they've got it.
The Bears at least have a defense. They've surrounded him
with pieces like there there's a real plan there. And
then you look on the on the flip side of
it at last year's number one pick, like he's screwed,
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Like they are terrible and there's there's no direction. He's
already gone through a coaching change, like they didn't add
anything around him. Anybody that was there that was worth anything.
They've traded away to other places like Chicago, like the
Giants and Brian Burns, Christian McCaffrey. Whatever they get, we
got in return for that. Like, I look at it
and I go, I'm not worried because it feels like
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there's at least a plan in place. I look at
Bryce Young after yesterday and I'm like, I don't know
if it's ever going to get off the ground for.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Him, and might not. And that's more often than not.
Well if people sit there and get upset about guys
being called bus but more often than not, guys find
themselves in the situation you're explaining, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
There's a lot of health organizations out there, and I
think that's the hard part is you look at that
one and go, yeah, I don't think they're gonna be
able to fix things enough around him in order to
help him excel or be the best version of himself
so we can see what we have in him. There
is one concern, and this is only because I had
a chance I call one of his games last year
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and I talked about this with my producer just watching film,
and this is a concern for me with Kleb.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
You know, one of the things that not to get
into long dissertation.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
We don't have a ton of time here, but when
you play from shotgun through pretty much your entire career,
your footwork gets sloppy, at least in regards to how
your footwork as a quarterback has to work in the
pocket in the NFL. And the reason why I said
that is, you know you're so you're so drilled and
trained three step, five step, seven step, and all those
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drops are similar too with the play action pass, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
To be able to set the pocket for the offensive line.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Like this really is a conversation about the offensive line
play and how your full work impacts them, because that
impacts your job more than anything else. And so when
you play from under center, you get so awesome to
your depth, your timing, your rhythm, everything being the same.
And when you when you set that pocket, meaning when
I hit my fifth step, when I hit my seventh
step at the back of the pocket, I'm then stepping
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back up. So what you're trying to do is set
a set point for the edge rushers to be able
to rush up field at that spot, and then you
know your tackles are trained and taught to push them
by you as you step up. What the problem is
with guys in shotgun is the footwork starts to go
a little haywire, right, you have a shotgun snap which
throws off somewhat of the timing in and of itself
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your footwork then because of the timing of the snap
itself and just getting the ball and in the laces,
it's not directly correlated with how the timing is going
to be under center. So typically, if you have a
three step drop, which doesn't exist anymore in the NFL,
it would be one step in shotgun if you have
if you had a five step drop, it'd be three
steps in shotgun. You know, if you had a seven
step drop under center and be five steps, that's kind
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of how it converts. But oftentimes maybe maybe we go
big three here because you know the timing of it,
you just say three bit steps from it. But the
general point is there's bad habits that are created for.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
The full work.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
And one of the things that I noticed about Bryce
Young was he would turn with his body parallel and
then he'd constantly because he was how far back he was.
Instead of stepping up into the pocket. He would look
to get to the outside, and that's exactly what defenses
want to do. I worry a little bit about Caleb Williams, who,
over the last two years of his time at USC
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was so effective and so good at getting out of
the pocket to create that at times, he almost looks
and relies on that instead of having to stay in
the pocket throw with more time in rhythm and realizing
that that's how this game is played.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
You know, that's where you get the protection.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
If you think you're going to live and be a
Super Bowl winning quarterback, leaving the pocket all the time,
good luck. And I think that's the one concern I
have for him is can he get to a point
where he feels so comfortable just dancing and moving within
that pocket to be able to make the throws and
then when he is tasked with it like kind of
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Patrick Mahomes, unless he has to, then he could take
off in showcase what he could do running the football.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
I wonder if he regrets and Okay, Patrick Mahomes wasn't
one of his top two quarters because you tried to
do what Patrick Mahomes does on Sundays and well, now
you know what it looks like, it feels like it
a regular season gay yeah, one of the books.
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Speaker 6 (40:35):
I didn't think it was bad. I thought he sounded
a little bit nervous at times. He was trying to
find his way through things. But first game, first opportunity.
It's not going to be a finished product. And I
trust that he's going to get better and better, and
if given an opportunity, he's going to figure this thing out.
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And the nuances that you guys would know better than
me because you've actually been in a booth and called game.
I think he'll just you know, get a little bit
easier for him throughout. And I thought he did ease
up a little bit as the game went on.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
Oh yeah, the second half he was much looser, kind
of just providing insight, kind of more speaking his mind
to about different things, which which I appreciate it. It
was good to hear. There's one thing though that he'll
never be able to overcome. Oh oh, and that is
what he's being paid. And the problem with that is
is we're human beings. People listening right now. You're gonna
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hate me for saying this, but you're jealous. You're jealous
of someone who has not done this job at all,
ever in their life, ever in their career and immediately
walks in and makes thirty seven and a half million
a year Like that is hard for everyone to digest,
I think unless you're you know, the people who are
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mind hit the decisions, may, et cetera. Right, and there's
justification for he's the go. He's the greatest quarterback of
all time. So you know, we could sit here and
debate about that, but it doesn't matter at this point.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Like that's what it is.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
I think the only thing you could have done to
help with the situation is that stuff not become.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Public if it was possible.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
And the only reason I say that is because once
that number is out there, I mean, think about this,
the criticism for Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Outside of the.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
Fact that all the stuff that he was alleged to
do or accused of doing and all that, you know,
outside of that being ridiculous, it really comes down to
the contract. You know, it really comes down to the
fact if they're paying him a league minimum, would anyone
have that big of a problem with how he played.
Probably not, because they'd be like, well, we're not paying
the guy much like, let's move on and find someone else.
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The problems they're paying of so much they can move
on from them. So then with that comes more criticism.
And I think that's part of the deal, is as
I as I kind of looked through the comments of
social media, or I should say X in this case,
which I usually never do.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Because it's a terrible indication.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
It's typically like online reviews, you'll mostly get some negative
ones because if somebody great experience, they're probably not gonna
go out of their way to go write a review.
They're just gonna go back to that restaurant. They're gonna
go back to that place again.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
If it was a.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
Really bad experience, they're never going back there again. And
they're probably saying, I want to stick it to this
person or sticking to this company, or sticking to this restaurant.
So I'm gonna write a review about it because I
know that'll hurt them a little.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Bit more too. And so anyway, I tried not to
buy too much into it. But there was a fair.
Speaker 5 (43:24):
Amount of like, oh, well, they're paying them for this
commentary and saying this for you know, thirty seven and
a half million or three hundred million. It's like it's like, yeah,
it's low hanging fruit, dude, Like of course, of course
you're gonna be that guy on X who's so unoriginal.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
You make that comment.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
So that's something that unfortunately, because that's become public, he's
never gonna be able to overcome that. He has to
ultimately find a way of just settling in and being
comfortable with himself calling the game, because the more reps
and real live reps he gets, the more confident he's
gonna be when when he's speaking, not gonna hear like
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the nervousness like you mentioned, or you're not gonna hear
the hesitation, or maybe even at times like the way
is Cadence sounded, meaning it seemed like at times he'd
pause in between to kind of make and figure out
what he wants to say. And some that's the guy
in your ear, your producer talking to you while you're talking,
and then you trying to formulate a sentence while all
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that's going on, or telling you what you're gonna see
on TV and you're trying to pair what you're saying
with what you're about to see.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Some that's managing all of that.
Speaker 5 (44:31):
So I'm with you. I think he'll continue to get better.
I actually really enjoyed it, honestly. And I think the
other thing that, like we all battle is when you're
in a broadcast meeting, whether you're on radio or you're
on TV.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
You know, God gives you a voice, Like that's your voice, man,
That's all. That's all you can do.
Speaker 5 (44:48):
Like, I don't know, Jonas, maybe you can take voice
lessons or something and that can help improve it. Like
maybe you know more about that than I do. But
you know, part of it's like your voice is no. No,
I'm not saying you specifically. I'm saying you been a singer,
you've been in his industry.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
I'm saying Jonas specifically.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
No, I'm not okay, no offense, LeVar.
Speaker 5 (45:07):
I don't know that you've been going to get voice
lessons or you've done that before.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
I'm saying that.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
I have actually done voice lessons. Have you one? Yeah,
But the one thing that you learn is to live
in your voice, right. I don't want to sound like
I'm a robot. I don't want to sound like someone.
You know, not to get off on a tangent, but like,
your sound is your sound, like your voice is your voice.
So some people are going to be attracted to it.
Some are going to say, all that sounds weird, Like
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I feel bad for Cold McCoy. COLP McCoy was broadcast
to the Colorado Nebraska game. People were hammering him, and
it's like, dude, it's his first big stage, first opportunity.
He's going to get better too. But but part of
it was like, well, this is how his voice sounds,
and it's like, well.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
He can't change that.
Speaker 5 (45:49):
So I hate seeing that's sort of criticism because I
didn't hear him.
Speaker 6 (45:54):
What was He's got an accent, like a Southern accent,
and it's not he's more high pitched, you know what.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
You reminded me of a more high pitched Troy Aikman.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
I do not see that at all.
Speaker 5 (46:09):
Like I'm telling you that might be. I swear that
might have been the worst comparison ever.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
I don't think it is. I've had.
Speaker 6 (46:15):
First of all, I've had plenty of worse comparisons, a
lot worse than that one.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
I'm telling you higher pitch.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
That's that's that's not telling you that was the worst
thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
That was my take What made you say that, Jon, Because.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
He's a Texas accent.
Speaker 6 (46:32):
Yeah, there's there's like a there's like an accent. But
Troy Aikman's got more of a has.
Speaker 4 (46:39):
A Texas accent.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
Yeah, that's weird because he's from West Covina, So it's
weird that you think that.
Speaker 6 (46:45):
I mean, Derek Carr has got an accent. He's got
a Texas accent.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
I grew, He's got more of a country, he's from
more of a rule area. Well, listen, Cole McCoy's got
an accent, and that doesn't mean all of a sudden
everyone has the accent sounds like Trey.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
No, I'm just saying that was you. You asked me
what the detail on that? That was my takeaway.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
I didn't ask you. LeVar asked you. Yeah, I understood
where you're God.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
Did ask you. I didn't know you. Guys start going like, well,
I didn't know you guys compared.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
To Troy Aikman.
Speaker 6 (47:17):
Gosh, like, find me somebody else that gave that comp
All right, we're setting standards.
Speaker 5 (47:22):
Here's the thing is, we don't need a comp The
whole general point to it is, you know, a guy's
voice is his voice.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
That's what he's got dealing with.
Speaker 5 (47:28):
Honestly, Like I listened to Romo sometimes, and when I
listened back to my stuff, I'm like, I wonder all
the years of barking out to like a Cadence and
all that, like how that played an impact on our
vocal cords. Like I've never cared enough to go have
someone do that. There's there's people who are really big
in this industry that they'll get their like vocal cords
looked at, and they'll try to have a diet and
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this whole regiment around protecting their vocal cords because they
do voiceovers or that's that's their life. That's a real thing,
by the way, But I just I don't have time
for that. I have four kids and stuff. I'm going
a lot going on right now. Like I just, you know,
it is what it is. I'm not, you know, I'm
not that insecure about like how my voice sounds, but
some people are. And and that's again, it's something that
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people are gonna have to get used to because their
their cadence and their sounded is what it is that's
really not going to change. Their confidence and comfort talking
is what's gonna change.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
I just you know, Terrell Davis used to do the
voice warm ups, the vocal coret warm ups, the hot
water and all that stuff, like he did it by
the book too, by the way, before every show. You know,
it was what I mean, the whole Tom Brady thing
is I was telling somebody because I was sitting with
somebody who's on the C group with with Sanchez and
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those guys on on the plane yesterday and we were
talking and he's like, not the producer, but like kind
of the director of of of their their broadcast, and
we were talking and we were talking about Tom Brady,
and I was like, listen, man, if anybody thinks that
for as good as he's been at what it is
that he's done, that he's not going to figure it out,
you're kidding yourself. So whatever it was, the result was
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the result was the result. If he had moments with
his rhythm, or he had moments where you know, his
cadence might have been off, or whatever it may have been,
the bottom line is now it's on film and it's
a real one. You know. It's not the u UFL
or you know, anything else that he may have been doing.
Now he has a real game under his belt, real time,
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the feelings and the emotions of a big game, because
that was a big game probably, I mean, that's up
there as one of the biggest games of the weekend
in the NFL. Now he gets to go back and
he gets to study it. And one thing about him,
he's going to have the support team that goes over
it with him, and then he's going to continue to
work on it. That's the thing about it. You can't
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ever think that you're rap. It's kind of like what
Bletsoe said, that's what Tom That's what Tom Brady's going
to do. So whatever his results were, whereas results his results,
you have to do it in order to get better
at it. And it's in front, it's in front of
millions of people while he's learning. But that's it. Just
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he's got to have enough thick skin to be able
to get to where he's going to to become what
he's going to be.
Speaker 5 (50:17):
Go ahead, and I was just saying, and he's he's
been working hard at it. I think this he had
thirty games he has done rehearsals on before this game,
you know, And there's something to be said for that,
where when the red light comes on and this is real, real,
it's not the same as rehearsals because in the back
of your mind, like practice whatever, I don't care if
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it's a scrimmage, you know, you don't have the whole
weight of the world on your shoulders at that moment,
and where everyone's listening to every word you say. Once
that red light goes on, it's the real deal. You
feel that, And the hardest thing is much like quarterback play,
until you do it for real, for real, real, there's
really no replacing it, and so you you have to
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get experience. So again back to the initial point you're making,
Jonas like, I just think he'll continue to get better,
he'll continue to settle in. This is just the beginning,
and I think it's going to be one that works out.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
I will say this too, I was.
Speaker 5 (51:14):
Wrong about what I had heard in regards to his
ownership stake in the Raiders and how this will work
out with broadcasting. So what I had heard over the
past weekend is the restrictions on his access to teams.
If he gets this minority stake in the Las Vegas Raiders,
(51:37):
they're already actually working under those restrictions now, almost as
an act of good faith, as to, hey, this is
how we're going to operate, even though this hasn't been approved,
even though this all hasn't transpired or taken place yet
with the Raiders, and it's been approved. So that was
one interesting nugget that I thought was, Okay, this is
unique because just say you were wrong, Yeah, one hundred percent,
(52:01):
I dude, I was obviously. I mean, I'm probably gonna
be wrong with the Browns. I'm willing to admit that
right now after one game in the NFL Seas. But
the point is is he will be able to do
both until there comes a point in time where he
doesn't or he has the opportunity maybe to become the
majority owner, but he is on a strict policy where
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he's limited as far as what he can do now. However,
the difficulty of implementing that is it's Tom Brady. You know,
he knows these coaches right like he knows Mike McCarthy.
He doesn't need to go sit in a production meeting
where he's sitting at a round table in whatever conference
room USA at some Marriott hotel or Hilton known hotel
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where they're going to be talking it with their whole crew.
To Mike McCarthy, he could just call Mike and go
talk to him for an hour on the phone if
he wants. No different than Dak, no different than anyone
else because he's Tom Brady. And obviously there's when you
have relationships like that. A lot of other guys do
that too, But that's one of the things too that
stands out is whatever whatever restrictions they place on him,
it's like, well, how's that really gonna work out in reality?
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Like it's good to say that, but in the end,
you've got personal relationships that extend past that. So I
was concerned, like would he still be able to do
this job and the capacity needs to if he is limited,
But it sounds like even if they try to limit
his access, he's still Tom Brady. He's still going to
get that access and be able to potentially have this
minority stake in the Las Vegas Raiders once it is approved.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
Get them Tom, get him it.
Speaker 6 (53:33):
Just I love the people that are so bitter, like
they want to see him struggle at something, because there's
so few things that he struggles at.
Speaker 4 (53:42):
So it's like that, you know what he struggled at,
what's that getting to where he got to. So if
that's what they're looking for, God blessed that man had
to struggle to get to college. He had to struggle
to get splitting time in at Michigan, he had to
struggle to get the star arting job and become the
captain of the team. He had to struggle to get that.
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He had to struggle to get to get drafted.
Speaker 6 (54:07):
A struggle would you guys say, Chris Collinsworth is a
good broadcaster.
Speaker 3 (54:11):
I think you know.
Speaker 6 (54:13):
There was a point last night in overtime where some
people wondered whether or not he knew the overtime rules
because he he thought Detroit was just going to settle
for a field goal and win the game. Like that's
the impression that you got. And that's a guy who's
as good as anybody that's ever done it. And like,
sometimes listen, you have a bad moment, you make a mistake.
It happens man first game, for God, Like people are
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just like wearing him out on social media for his
first game, Like, come on, man like and also if
the voice is that much of a problem, I would
get the argument if he was a play by play guy.
Play by play guy, that's where you need the voice,
that's where you need like so what Like there's a
lot of other people. John Madden didn't have the greatest
voice in the world, like a lot of people thought.
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He was, you know, jumbling his words and it was this,
but you ended up to learn to appreciate what he
brought to it. I think Tom Brady's gonna be able
to find his path and find his groove.
Speaker 4 (55:06):
He'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
It's gonna be good.
It is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with lamar As, Brady Quinn and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feel here on a Monday morning?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
That was a weekend. That was a weekend of football, Man,
Which one is your WU for?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Though? I mean I had to have seen at least
a hundred indefanse in Chicago yesterday. Travel It wasn't good,
but you know what, it's not bad. Though it's bad,
but it's not as bad as it could it could be.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
We'll get to that.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Well, we'll get to that.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
We have a segment probably devoted for close losses, which
and then went on which your WU was for the Well,
it's football to you saying I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I'm excited football is back. You know, you gotta move on.
It's the expanded playoff era, so you can you can
lose one, you.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Can lose maybe three, so but we will talk about it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It was the it was America's game of the week.
It was the big one. It was the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
It was the delivered.
Speaker 6 (01:16):
They delivered, well Dallas did and uh and then all
of a sudden, Mike Zimmer and that defense said, yeah,
we're gonna go ahead and dismiss whatever happened in that
playoff game against Green Bay and they.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Whooped that ass yesterday. That was a beating and a half.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
But don't you feel like Dallas is beginning to be
the Baltimore of the NFC. It's like like, now under
Mike McCarthy, we don't worry about whether or not they're
playoff team. That was a problem before with Jason Garrett.
That's not a concern anymore. It's like, all right, that
was a great win. I mean, well, excuse me, good
win granted versus my super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Pick the team to win it all. A lot of
work to do there.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Don't jump off the boat yet. Come on, oh no.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
No, no season, long season, sixteen more to go. But
is that where they're at? Like, are we that? I've
thought about? You to on that one too.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Don't worry, you know, all we need to do is
get the tournament at the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
That's all we need to do.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
I thought about Jonas with the Bears. I mean, they won,
but you know, Tennessee, that's not a playoff team.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
That's not a playoff team.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I'm sorry, I get it, trust me.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I watched but but isn't this getting to that point.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
I mean, look, it's congrats the Dack by the way,
biggest contract NFL history, over two hundred and thirty million guaranteed.
I mean, I just the Cowboys got business done when
they needed to on and off the field, especially Week one.
But that's not ultimately what's going to determine Mike McCarthy's
job status. It's what they do once it comes to
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the postseason.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
That's correct.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I'm not trying to take anything away from the win.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
It was a Domina win, but it's also like the
difference of two franchises right now, where you've got one
that's that's been a twelve win team that gets the playoff.
Then you've got another one that's like still trying to
find its way of what are we doing at the
quarterback spot? I mean, both both tackles out. It was
gonna be hard for them to be productive, especially with
that matchup. But I look at it just go You've
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got a team of the Cleveland Browns that they know
what they're dealing with. It's just about trying to get
it there for Dallas. Great win, but this isn't what
we're gonna be judged based on all of us.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
And it's also Jerry Jones all off season, I mean
multiple times throughout the offseason he's brought.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Up the Green Bay thing, the Green Bay thing.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Like that loss still resonates with him. And so yeah,
like anybody that says, well, you know, why not you know,
appreciate what they're doing in the regular season, well, because
the owner is saying, listen, this is all nice. We're
winning twelve games a year, but we're not doing it
in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And that loss.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Still I think other's Jerry Jones, bothers that organization people
up top, and so now it's it's a way we
go with another Cowboys funfield season.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Ceedee Lamb snapped. He snapped out, I mean, were you
concerned about would he be ready to go, not being
in training camp, does he need to get back into
game shape or whatever? He Ceedee Lamb is a is
a guy and he's gonna make a statement for being
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the best in the league. He will, he will make
a statement this year. Dak Prescott looked good and I
know that there's there's the talk of what they do
in the postseason. One will be what Mike McCarthy has
judged off of I agree with you on that queue,
but I also agree that you gotta go one game
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out of time too, right, It's it's always a one
game season in terms of if you're going to even
be good enough or what type of momentum you have
going into the playoffs. Are are you a home team,
are you a good team? Did you limp into it,
did you stumble into it? How did you go through
the regular season? Because quite frankly, if you don't do
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well in the regular season, he don't have to worry
about what he's going to be judged and measured on
in the playoffs because they won't be going to them.
I'll say this, I'm not going to look at any
of these teams except Carolina and say that they're done
for I'm not going to look at any of them
and say that I feel horribly bad for Bryce Young
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because what the trend looks like for him doesn't look great.
But I'm not going to go too deep into that.
I'm gonna stay on Dallas when I look at all
of these teams, I'm not going to get too high
on the fact that Dallas look like a team. Need
I say what Jerry Jones has been saying all season,
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they looked like an all in team. They did. They
looked good on defense, they were flying around. They got
Trayvon Back. I think that's a tremendous obviously a tremendous
addition back to their defense after losing him. And it
is nice to see him flying around. Mike is Michaeh Parsons.
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I mean, it just is what it is. Like you
you had better figure out a way to avoid him
versus try him.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Do not.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Think that you're unless you're gonna plan on saying somebody
else has to beat us in terms of putting two
or three guys on him and blocking him. Michael Parsons
is going to dominate his part of the game, and
he's going to impact what an offense does. So to me,
looking at Dallas yesterday, they I mean Zeke. Zeke's obviously
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not the fact that he was, but Zeke serves a
very nice purpose in that run game with pass pickups
and those hard yards. Like he's like a battering ram
running back now, you know. And I was impressed by Dallas.
I really was watching that game and watching Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
See he went off, man, didn't he went off? He
went for sixty one, he went off man.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
When they used him, he did what he needed to do.
And I don't know, Cleveland. I want to say it's
a head scratcher, but if I'm being honest, that's what
I was expecting. But I don't want to say that's
what I was expecting until we get into week five,
six or seven, because they could turn it around.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
So the old line obviously was banged up. But I
was watching the game yesterday and I'm looking at the
second half and thinking to myself, there's no way Deshaun
Watson makes it through this season in one piece, Like
if that's he was taking a beating.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Right But but but eventually Willison Cocklin will be back.
Willis excuse me that that's that's one of.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
The biggest reasons when you have both tackles out and
you're going up against that defense with Micah Parsons and
whether they can rush. I just I mean, it was
a bit of an outlier, Like I don't suspect it'll
be like that every single week for me, you don't
have both.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
Your starting tackles, It's uh, it just did.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Not I'm not I'm not in on Deshaun Watson. I'm sorry,
I think and they pay they got to pay him
all that money his day cap space. Like as you've
been mentioning the whole time, I'm just not. I'm just
not a believe I'm sorry, I'm just not. I'm not
a believer in Deshaun Watson. I'm just not. I just
don't see a guy that that's going to be the
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guy that people think he was at the moment in
time he was and in Houston. I think that's a
long ago on deal. That's a pipe dream to think
that he's going to be this this world beater at quarterback.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
I mean, the last time that he was like a
really good starting quarterback in the NFL was what twenty twenty.
It's four years and injuries, you know, the weird off
field stuff, everything that came along with it. Like, yeah,
the roster's good, but I just I'm with you, I
don't I just don't see it. I don't think it's
(09:23):
there anymore. And they're just going to have to wear
it and hope that you know, they can get something
and improve, you know, I guess around him, maybe get
a better more of a running game. Maybe, you know,
Jameis Winston gets an opportunity at some point. But I
just I look at it and I think Stefanski, I
don't know if he's got the power to be able
(09:44):
to make the decision. But I just still go back
to Mary kay Cabot, who said a couple of months ago,
they will not be shy about benching him if they
feel like it's going to upgrade the position and they're
going to get more out of whoever's behind him. But
they ran a graphic on the game yesterday and showed listen,
when he's not in and they've got to turn to
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another quarterback, the numbers are better. And then meanwhile, Baker
Mayfield's just lighten up Washington yesterday.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
How awesome was that?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
It's great?
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Let me bad for Washington. I don't think it was awesome.
I thought it was a good game for Tampa though, But.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
I mean, well, awesome in the and the respect of
what happened, what occurred between Baker Mayfield and the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I mean, Washington, We'll get to them at some point.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
But yeah, yeah, so you're not alone. To you, you're
not alone, bro? All good?
Speaker 5 (10:39):
It was just good to see a guy who you know,
I thought had taken to Cleveland to a point where
it was as good as it was going to be
at that time, and they've continued to build the roster
to a point now where I think if he's in Cleveland,
that game looks entirely different, but maybe not a ton
different because of the issue with the tackles and that
defensive front, But to me, much better quarterback play, much
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more consistent quarterback play.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
I think they have a chance to compete and win
the game if Baker Mayfield is in that game. I'm
sorry and Djoku Atkins for Judy Amari that you have
a ton of guys more. I just think it's the quarterback.
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I'm gonna be honest, I think it's the quarterback. And
granted the Dallas offense gave a daunting Cleveland defense, that
Cleveland defense will be everything that Cleveland needs in order
to make a run for the playoffs in order to
be competitive in the AFC North. That defense will live
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up to its billing if the health of the main
guys stays what it's supposed to be. But I think
the Achilles heel of this of this team is that
they have to unequivocally put their trust in the hands
of a quarterback that just is not going to be
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able to deliver what it is that that the team
is going to need. That's that's just my take on it.
I don't want to feel like I'm throwing shade, but
y'all know me. You know, some some days sometimes I'm
the half glass. I'm the glass half empty and not
half fool. I'm half empty on this one. I think
as long as he's their quarterback, unless he proves me otherwise,
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that's going to be the Achilles Hill of this team.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Man.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
I only know the fans' perspective, just because there's so
many you know, Cleveland fans around it, you know, central
Hilo area, and it's everyone's just tired of it, and
honestly like they're tired of kind of the like.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
And this is what one buddy said to me yesterday.
He's like, man, it feels like he just makes.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
It, makes excuses for everything that doesn't go right, and
instead of just owning it and taking accountability. And he
was like, man, he's like, the guy's getting paid two
hundred and thirty million or whatever it was, guaranteed he goes.
At some point, you have to be able to take
criticism and I do feel like, I mean, think about it, well,
let's be real for a second, between his agent, his quarterback, coach,
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all parties involved, there's a lot of sensitivity about everything
that happened off the field, the jokes that have been
thrown around. At some point you have to step up
and kind of be a man and be like, yeah,
it's on me, like I signed this contract, I did
whatever would happen, was accused of the past, like he's
got to be accountable for all of that, and it
doesn't feel like he always is. I think that's the
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frustrating part too. It's one thing if you're not going
to be good enough or performing well, whatever the case is.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
It's another it makes.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Even worse when you don't take responsibility when you're the
key component to all of that. And I said, I
think that's the frustrating part for Browns fans out there
right now, is they're living with this and they've got
to for at least another.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Couple of years after this year. I think his dead
cap hits like one hundred and seventy some million.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
It's ridiculous, Like and look, you can blame ownership on that,
because this decision to sign and trade for Deshaun Watson
was all Jimmy Haslam and before they they kind of
went on this run where they had, you know, Baker Mayfield.
If you go back and look at the ownership tenure
of Jimmy Haslam, he was He's been awful as an owner.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Awful.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
I mean an oh to sixteen season, a one to
fifteen season and everything they've gone through and firing coach
after coach after coach and not even giving guys really chances.
And then he settles, like Kevin Stefanski. They have a
playoff year, they go to Pittsburgh, b Pittser in the playoffs.
That's the moment where you say, all right, Eureka, we've
got it. I don't need to move on from my quarterback.
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And instead whatever transpires between Baker Mayfield and Jimmy has
them transpires and this is the end result. Like this
is his was his response to Baker Mayfield and whatever
took place between us two. And now this is where
the Crowns are with the roster that with any almost
any other quarterback playing at an average level, probably could
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have a shot away a super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Most expensive gaff in NFL history.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I mean, I might go down as the worst end
on that trade contract.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
Everything that foll Yeah, And that's the other part of it,
like not even just the contract, everything they gave up
for it.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
And I'm just not I'm not. I'm not one of
those guys to hate on somebody's money. God bless you,
you made your money. But this one might go down
in the history and the animals as the worst. And
I said that when it happened to be honest, like
we were joking. We talked about hard towels and and
and and deep massages and all that stuff. We were
(15:57):
joking around when we were talking about them. But I'm
just telling you, man, what I looked at yesterday, that
doesn't look like that's going to trend in a different direction,
tackles back or not. It just it just you know,
it's like they say, believe you're lying eyes, Like, believe
you're lying eyes. Man. At some point, if it looks
(16:17):
like a duck and it quacks like a duck and
it walks like a duck, it's a duck.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
I say, do you think that it was like how
soon before the game or how soon before I guess
better question how long ago? Was this contract with Dak finalized,
because I do wonder if because they gave him.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
It looked like it was like Dang Dak balk but
it was.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
But because it happened right before the game. And look
at the guaranteed dollars. It was one million more than
what Deshaun got. And I just wonder if they were like, yeah,
we're gonna sign off on this, but we're going to
drop the news right before you go play the guy
that that organization gave the record contract.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
I didn't even see it before the game. I was
just watch I was traveling, so I was watching the
game on my phone and and like airport bars and
stuff like that because we were delayed all day. I
literally just got home like fifteen minutes ago. But I'll
tell you it just for me, Dak Prescott looked legit yesterday.
(17:21):
I'll tell you that now. The reason of when to
do it and how they did it, I don't know.
I saw it. I saw it during the game, and
I was like, oh, like, you know, I said some profanity,
like one word in particular, you know, the one thing
that you know horses have and all that stuff. I
was like, oh, horse right, and and he was bawling, Like.
(17:43):
It wasn't like you were looking at it and you're
looking across the field at the guy that had the
other contract that large. You were just looking at Dak
Prescott like. He looked sharp, he looked crisp, he looked confident.
They looked confident. The Cowboys look like a team that's
ready to handle their business. That's what it looked like
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to me. So if I'm Jerry Jones today or if
I'm even Mike McCarthy, you know, I'm pleased. I'm pleased
coming out of week one saying that, you know what,
if we can hold this together, stay healthy, some good things,
you know, stay in our favor. This is a team which,
(18:25):
by the way, here's me making it about me as
I usually do. This will be a team that is
actually very very competitive within this regular season, and I
think they'll be pretty pretty competitive in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Yeah yeah, I mean, like I said, it really comes
down to what they do in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
That's what that's about. For Mike McCarthy, For Circh, Sure,
I feel like Dak played well. I mean, you know
what wasn't like, Oh no, I'm just I mean.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Numbers are a pedestrian.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah, it's it's pedestrian, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
But it is for that line too.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
But yeah, I mean, it wasn't like he lit the
world on fire. I was more impressed by Tyreek Hill
overcoming whatever the hell happened.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Fast to him doing that.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
And then, by the way, the throw of the decade
would have been Anthony Richardson. I have never seen anything
like that. Did you see that off his back foot
from seventy yards down field? That's crazy. I mean, that
is the most ridiculous throw I've ever seen in my
Like when you wanted to ask why, I was saying, whoo,
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that's why. I've never seen a throw like that in
my entire life. And that kid is just flat out
a superstar in the making, like you want to talk about,
like show out. I know they lost, but he keeps
that entire thing. He keeps it in that the entire
team competitive. It's not like the roster around him is
(19:56):
really that supportive, at least maybe offense speaking.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
I mean, I just he makes all of that go.
That kid's impressive.
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Speaker 6 (20:56):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here on Fox
Sports Radio. All right, so we had some rookie quarterbacks
making their debut in the NFL yesterday and oh listen,
none of them looked all that hot, all right, they
didn't look all that great.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Oh you see, but.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
So Caleb Williams first up nails were painted, they know,
had they had stuff designed, and the offense went out
there and what's great about the Bears is that for
I don't know, five decades, it's been kind of the
same recipe suspect offense, but damn they've got a defense
(21:40):
like they figure it out almost every single year, special
teams defense. And they were losing that game.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
They were getting wiped out in that game.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
They got some help from will Levis, who threw an
awful pick six, but no offensive touchdowns. There was an
opportunity to Keenan Allen to score. He dropped it in
his game as a Bear, and away we go with
the Caleb Williams era in Chicago. Would you like to
hear a little bit from Caleb Williams though, yes, of course,
all right, So no, no word is still whether or
(22:12):
not he had the nail Paulish removed at all.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
It was still there. It was all right, don't judge him,
don't judge them.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Well here he was after the game.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
We didn't perform how we wanted to. We want to
be the most efficient team out there. You know, myself included,
didn't perform the way that I wanted to. I missed
a few passes that I normally don't miss, all of
his other things, and so I think there's small things
that always lead up to big things to.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Make games a lot closer. It's great to get this
first win.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
You know, we're all excited, went into the locker room celebrate.
I sat down and enjoyed the moment and just watching
all the guys celebrate, understanding that I need to be better.
I will be better, and then uh, you know, you know,
just take it in the first win. It's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Want to oh one of that's hand bears the bears
it Well, I mean, here's the reality.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Remember how good CJ. Stroud was last year? Yeah, yep,
all right, does anyone remember how he played versus Baltimore
Week one?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Not great, Nope, not great.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Didn't throw a touchdown Bauts, didn't turn it over, was
sacked five times, and got a lot of pressure on him.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
It wasn't one of his best games.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
In fact, I would say outside of their lost to Carolina,
which probably was the worst game he played last season,
you know, and maybe the Jets. I think he you know,
played a little bit in that Week thirteen game where
he struggled. That was one of his lesser games. And
so even though you have this player that played arguably
the best rookie season. I would say some have said
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since Dan Marino, like that's how good CJ. Stroud looked.
Like it's been that long since Dan Maria since we've
seen a rookie as a quarterback come into the league
and play the way that c. J.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Stroud did just a year ago.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
So that was the expectation to Caleb Williams, or that
was the expectation for bow or Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
It was gonna be rough.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
And I think you look, for example, at a team
like the New England Patriots, who none of us predicted
to win this past week's game. They go out and
they find a way of winning with Jacoby Brissett, and
we'll I'm sure touch on that.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
When we get to it.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Would anyone predict that well?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
And here we are. So But here's why.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Because it's still a league where there's going to be
a learning curve for all these quarterbacks. The speed is
ramped up, those windows are closing even faster. They are
now able to see some of what your weaknesses are
just from watching the preseason film, and you better believe
they're game planning for you and around it. And it's
your job not only to get a better sense of
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how to execute within your offense, but deal with the
defenses that you're seeing. And it's hard to deal with
those defenses everything they're giving you while you're still trying
to get down the timing and rhythm of the offense
you're playing with them, And just even.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
How much that game plan changes.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
For whatever Caleb Williams had for the Tennessee Titans this week,
it should be at least forty percent different fifty percent
different than what they're doing next week. Like that's how
drastic the game plan should change on a week to
week basis in the NFL, because it's so much matchup
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based that goes for your offensive line obviously your wide receivers,
running backs, tight ends, et cetera. In the passing game,
but also in the running game as far as your
mismatch that you get up front, or the different tweaks
that you've got on running plays where you feel like
you can get to edges and you.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Can exploit some of the weaknesses you see on their defense.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
So that's the that's the hard part for quarterbacks, and
it's kind of why we've got this trend of hey
by year three really want to evaluate these guys, well,
it's like he had a perfect scenario, like a year
three where they've played year one, year two into year three.
Because you're one, you're just trying to learn your stuff.
Your two, you're trying to learn what the defense is
always presenting you. And year three you put all together,
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you show out that that's a perfect scenario. A lot
of these rookies don't get that many games anymore, and
that's the difficulty in evaluating them. We tend to rush
to judgment and hopefully people don't be patient and give
these guys some time. But it was ugly football for
a lot of these rookies in the first start.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
It was ugly, But you know what, it was ugly
for a lot of quarterbacks. You just mentioned Cincinnati Joe Burrow.
I don't think any of us would sit there and
say we thought Joe Burrow would would have the type
of game that he had.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Do you know how happy I was the Browns lost
because I like our parlay party that we picked on Friday,
Like I had Bengals money line and like you guys
were busting my balls, like, oh, the biggest favorite, and
I'm thinking, man, if I would have been the only
one to lose our parlay for us because of the
damn Bengals, and then Brady's Browns came back.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
That was the only way we lost it.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
No, well, the Browns lost too, So that's saying did.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I was took?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
He took the Browns?
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Who did I take? You took the Eagles? Oh yeah,
Lamar got it anyway. I don't like to make things
about me, but let's let me go back to my
original point, right, But how.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Would you pick Minnesota versus the Giants?
Speaker 6 (27:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
I was trying to give people one that wasn't an
obvious too, you know what I mean? Like that one
that much. By the way, that was one of the
more exciting games of the weekend, by the way, the
game in South Paulo. I mean, did they give them
a show or what I'll say this. I mean he
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might have left more than that there, you know, who knows, man,
but he did leave. He did leave that. I mean,
you know, Q is the authority on that right now.
So everyone out there listening to that, that was one
Brady q quinn that gave you that right there, That
a bit of information. That's what I was going for anyway,
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Joe Burrow's numbers were pedestrian as well, Right, So I
don't think anyone's going to sit there and be like,
oh my gosh, Joe, like how I did you know
Deshaun Watson cause his numbers weren't good. But if I'm
looking at Joe Burrow and I'm like, oh, first week,
one hundred and sixty four yards, no touchdowns, I'm not
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sitting there saying that, Okay, well he's washed. I'm not
sitting there thinking that it's week one. So even though
we're looking at and we're measuring by CJ. Stroud for
these rookies, because it's still recency, I would caution people
and urge them to listen to what it is you
just said. That doesn't happen often. You don't have a
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rookie just come in and just light it up often.
So if you get that, if you get solid played
to better, throwing a young man into a game full
of pros, of grown ass men who who are in life,
have been in life versus being in college and they're
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actually lighting it up against these these guys, that's a
that is a tremendous bonus to you as onlookers and fans,
But there is a learning curve that has to be
closed down. There is experience and understanding how this, how
this worked. A lot of the things that Caleb was seeing.
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We said this during the preseason, he's going to have
to deal with being schemed when we get to the
regular season, and he was schemed in Game one. So
now it's it's like, Okay, what are these new wrinkles
that are going to come my way as a rookie
And you look at somebody like Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow
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is looking at it like, oh, I got to figure
out what are these What are these new approaches to
how they're trying to defense us, how they're trying to
defense me. Now it's on film, So to me, the
biggest tail of the tape is now that you have
a week under your belt of your being schemed. And
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this is another reason why I say, unless you're going
to use preseason that way, which nobody is going to
use what they're going to use in regular season. So
that's another reason why I just don't like preseason. But
now Caleb Williams, now, Joe Burrow, now Deshaun Watson, now
all these other quarterbacks, Jade Daniels, you name it. Now
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they have a real film of four quarters of football,
real schematics, real real uh planning, game planning. What are
the tendencies they're looking at as it applies to you
and what you're trying to do? What are you trying
to do to the defenses? Now you can do a
very very good itself scouting of what you look that
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looked like what you were looking for, what you wanted
to get done, and you can look at the defense
and see what it is that they were going to
try to do.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Because if it.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Was true success that the defense had, oh, the other
teams are going to do it. The other teams are
going to scheme you the same way if you had
success against them. I don't care if it's week one
or week sixteen, They're going to scheme you the same
way because success and success. So you got to make
sure you're looking at the film now, yep, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Let me ask you guys this, when do you think
the last time the Bengals won their season opener?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (31:40):
I don't know, three years ago, right. They're actually one
in five in their last six season openers. Like, as
much as we want to be surprised by this, because
you know, we looked at, for example, the New England
Patriots the roster and everything and said, well, clearly on paper,
they're not as good as a football team. This is
one of the things I love about the NFL is
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the talent is much more equated than I think anyone realizes.
And this has been a Cincinnati Bengals team that under
Zach Taylor, even Joe Burrow, has been a slow starting team.
And if you want to chalk it up to Jamar
Chase not being there practicing, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Okay, played in the game really didn't matter.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
But whatever you want to throw it, like, chalk it
up to they just do not do well to open
the season. It's hard for them, I think, to find
their rhythm. Maybe they do need to have their starters
play a little bit in preseason. Maybe it's not worth
it to them so much. Is this is more preseason.
This is the starter's problem season right now. And I
think that like philosophically, like big picture, and I don't know,
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maybe you disagree with this when I said this is Jonas,
but like when you play more games as we get
to seventeen, now we maybe go to eighteen. There is
an element of devaluing each week as far as what's
at stake because you.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Can lose more.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
And I think that's one of the things that college
football battles in an expanded playoff scenario, because that's what
some people have said, is like, well, it's okay, we've
lost the game, but there's probably gonna be a team
that loses three games that gets in the playoff.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
And I personally like it. I don't think that's a
bad thing. I don't think that a team early on
in the season. Now granted, maybe you lose later on
in the year, but you know what Notre Dame did, Like,
let's just use them as an example. All they did
was give away their opportunity to let one or so
get away from them later on, you let it go, okay,
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moving on. I like that because for me, it was like, okay,
if I'm being honest, and it's a lot different than
when I was in school. But let's be clear, if
you lost one game, you were out of it, no chance.
When I was in school, you couldn't lose games.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Same thing to the BCS, I mean, especially when you're
not a conference championship that's how we felt.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
But you couldn't lose a game.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
So to me, it's some people say, oh, well, it's
not as intense as not it doesn't mean as much.
Yes it does. You know why, because if you let
a game like that go, then that one game, that
one game that you you let go against a bigger,
bigger opponent where it's like the biggest game and something
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happening you didn't win. You know what, Now you gotta
win it. So now it creates that pressure in that
moment because that's the one game you could actually let
get away and still made it into the playoffs, but
you gave it away early on, which fun it's a
learning experience that could be the one loss that that
triggers us against the world type deal. You know, oh
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they CA you could go into Texas A and M.
You could be, but you can't beat this stick like okay,
we're gonna show you. Like in a good coach, which
they have a strong coach, that they have a strong culture.
I look at it and I say, those are the
things to me that make it better. It makes it
better when you see these types of and transitioning it
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back to the pros when you see guys struggle early.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
It is simple to say that this is the starter's preseason.
I don't think it takes any type of crazy logic
to know that these guys aren't ready to play. Unless
you've played four quarters in a game, you don't know
what that as feels like mentally and physically.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
You know what I thought watching Kayleb Williams because I
wasn't worried at all, Like and I'm not worried looking
at at how the offense was.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
There's a lot of new pieces there. He's a rookie,
he's young.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
I kindly got one concern, but go ahead.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
Well, like my thought on it was, it just struck
me how bad the Carolina Panthers have failed Bryce Young.
Like I watch that and I go, they've got it.
The Bears at least have a defense. They've surrounded him
with pieces like there there's a real plan there. And
then you look on the on the flip side of
it at last year's number one pick, like he's screwed,
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Like they are terrible and there's there's no direction. He's
already gone through a coaching change, like they didn't add
anything around him. Anybody that was there that was worth anything.
They've traded away to other places like Chicago, like the
Giants and Brian Burns, Christian McCaffrey. Whatever they get, we
got in return for that. Like, I look at it
and I go, I'm not worried because it feels like
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there's at least a plan in place. I look at
Bryce Young after yesterday and I'm like, I don't know
if it's ever going to get off the ground for.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Him, and might not. And that's more often than not.
Well if people sit there and get upset about guys
being called bus but more often than not, guys find
themselves in the situation you're explaining, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
There's a lot of health organizations out there, and I
think that's the hard part is you look at that
one and go, yeah, I don't think they're gonna be
able to fix things enough around him in order to
help him excel or be the best version of himself
so we can see what we have in him. There
is one concern, and this is only because I had
a chance I call one of his games last year
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and I talked about this with my producer just watching film,
and this is a concern for me with Kleb.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
You know, one of the things that not to get
into long dissertation.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
We don't have a ton of time here, but when
you play from shotgun through pretty much your entire career,
your footwork gets sloppy, at least in regards to how
your footwork as a quarterback has to work in the
pocket in the NFL. And the reason why I said
that is, you know you're so you're so drilled and
trained three step, five step, seven step, and all those
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drops are similar too with the play action pass, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
To be able to set the pocket for the offensive line.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Like this really is a conversation about the offensive line
play and how your full work impacts them, because that
impacts your job more than anything else. And so when
you play from under center, you get so awesome to
your depth, your timing, your rhythm, everything being the same.
And when you when you set that pocket, meaning when
I hit my fifth step, when I hit my seventh
step at the back of the pocket, I'm then stepping
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back up. So what you're trying to do is set
a set point for the edge rushers to be able
to rush up field at that spot, and then you
know your tackles are trained and taught to push them
by you as you step up. What the problem is
with guys in shotgun is the footwork starts to go
a little haywire, right, you have a shotgun snap which
throws off somewhat of the timing in and of itself
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your footwork then because of the timing of the snap
itself and just getting the ball and in the laces,
it's not directly correlated with how the timing is going
to be under center. So typically, if you have a
three step drop, which doesn't exist anymore in the NFL,
it would be one step in shotgun if you have
if you had a five step drop, it'd be three
steps in shotgun. You know, if you had a seven
step drop under center and be five steps, that's kind
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of how it converts. But oftentimes maybe maybe we go
big three here because you know the timing of it,
you just say three bit steps from it. But the
general point is there's bad habits that are created for.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
The full work.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
And one of the things that I noticed about Bryce
Young was he would turn with his body parallel and
then he'd constantly because he was how far back he was.
Instead of stepping up into the pocket. He would look
to get to the outside, and that's exactly what defenses
want to do. I worry a little bit about Caleb Williams, who,
over the last two years of his time at USC
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was so effective and so good at getting out of
the pocket to create that at times, he almost looks
and relies on that instead of having to stay in
the pocket throw with more time in rhythm and realizing
that that's how this game is played.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
You know, that's where you get the protection.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
If you think you're going to live and be a
Super Bowl winning quarterback, leaving the pocket all the time,
good luck. And I think that's the one concern I
have for him is can he get to a point
where he feels so comfortable just dancing and moving within
that pocket to be able to make the throws and
then when he is tasked with it like kind of
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Patrick Mahomes, unless he has to, then he could take
off in showcase what he could do running the football.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
I wonder if he regrets and Okay, Patrick Mahomes wasn't
one of his top two quarters because you tried to
do what Patrick Mahomes does on Sundays and well, now
you know what it looks like, it feels like it
a regular season gay yeah, one of the books.
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Speaker 6 (40:35):
I didn't think it was bad. I thought he sounded
a little bit nervous at times. He was trying to
find his way through things. But first game, first opportunity.
It's not going to be a finished product. And I
trust that he's going to get better and better, and
if given an opportunity, he's going to figure this thing out.
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And the nuances that you guys would know better than
me because you've actually been in a booth and called game.
I think he'll just you know, get a little bit
easier for him throughout. And I thought he did ease
up a little bit as the game went on.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
Oh yeah, the second half he was much looser, kind
of just providing insight, kind of more speaking his mind
to about different things, which which I appreciate it. It
was good to hear. There's one thing though that he'll
never be able to overcome. Oh oh, and that is
what he's being paid. And the problem with that is
is we're human beings. People listening right now. You're gonna
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hate me for saying this, but you're jealous. You're jealous
of someone who has not done this job at all,
ever in their life, ever in their career and immediately
walks in and makes thirty seven and a half million
a year Like that is hard for everyone to digest,
I think unless you're you know, the people who are
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mind hit the decisions, may, et cetera. Right, and there's
justification for he's the go. He's the greatest quarterback of
all time. So you know, we could sit here and
debate about that, but it doesn't matter at this point.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Like that's what it is.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
I think the only thing you could have done to
help with the situation is that stuff not become.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Public if it was possible.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
And the only reason I say that is because once
that number is out there, I mean, think about this,
the criticism for Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Outside of the.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
Fact that all the stuff that he was alleged to
do or accused of doing and all that, you know,
outside of that being ridiculous, it really comes down to
the contract. You know, it really comes down to the
fact if they're paying him a league minimum, would anyone
have that big of a problem with how he played.
Probably not, because they'd be like, well, we're not paying
the guy much like, let's move on and find someone else.
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The problems they're paying of so much they can move
on from them. So then with that comes more criticism.
And I think that's part of the deal, is as
I as I kind of looked through the comments of
social media, or I should say X in this case,
which I usually never do.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Because it's a terrible indication.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
It's typically like online reviews, you'll mostly get some negative
ones because if somebody great experience, they're probably not gonna
go out of their way to go write a review.
They're just gonna go back to that restaurant. They're gonna
go back to that place again.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
If it was a.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
Really bad experience, they're never going back there again. And
they're probably saying, I want to stick it to this
person or sticking to this company, or sticking to this restaurant.
So I'm gonna write a review about it because I
know that'll hurt them a little.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Bit more too. And so anyway, I tried not to
buy too much into it. But there was a fair.
Speaker 5 (43:24):
Amount of like, oh, well, they're paying them for this
commentary and saying this for you know, thirty seven and
a half million or three hundred million. It's like it's like, yeah,
it's low hanging fruit, dude, Like of course, of course
you're gonna be that guy on X who's so unoriginal.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
You make that comment.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
So that's something that unfortunately, because that's become public, he's
never gonna be able to overcome that. He has to
ultimately find a way of just settling in and being
comfortable with himself calling the game, because the more reps
and real live reps he gets, the more confident he's
gonna be when when he's speaking, not gonna hear like
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the nervousness like you mentioned, or you're not gonna hear
the hesitation, or maybe even at times like the way
is Cadence sounded, meaning it seemed like at times he'd
pause in between to kind of make and figure out
what he wants to say. And some that's the guy
in your ear, your producer talking to you while you're talking,
and then you trying to formulate a sentence while all
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that's going on, or telling you what you're gonna see
on TV and you're trying to pair what you're saying
with what you're about to see.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Some that's managing all of that.
Speaker 5 (44:31):
So I'm with you. I think he'll continue to get better.
I actually really enjoyed it, honestly. And I think the
other thing that, like we all battle is when you're
in a broadcast meeting, whether you're on radio or you're
on TV.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
You know, God gives you a voice, Like that's your voice, man,
That's all. That's all you can do.
Speaker 5 (44:48):
Like, I don't know, Jonas, maybe you can take voice
lessons or something and that can help improve it. Like
maybe you know more about that than I do. But
you know, part of it's like your voice is no. No,
I'm not saying you specifically. I'm saying you been a singer,
you've been in his industry.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
I'm saying Jonas specifically.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
No, I'm not okay, no offense, LeVar.
Speaker 5 (45:07):
I don't know that you've been going to get voice
lessons or you've done that before.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
I'm saying that.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
I have actually done voice lessons. Have you one? Yeah,
But the one thing that you learn is to live
in your voice, right. I don't want to sound like
I'm a robot. I don't want to sound like someone.
You know, not to get off on a tangent, but like,
your sound is your sound, like your voice is your voice.
So some people are going to be attracted to it.
Some are going to say, all that sounds weird, Like
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I feel bad for Cold McCoy. COLP McCoy was broadcast
to the Colorado Nebraska game. People were hammering him, and
it's like, dude, it's his first big stage, first opportunity.
He's going to get better too. But but part of
it was like, well, this is how his voice sounds,
and it's like, well.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
He can't change that.
Speaker 5 (45:49):
So I hate seeing that's sort of criticism because I
didn't hear him.
Speaker 6 (45:54):
What was He's got an accent, like a Southern accent,
and it's not he's more high pitched, you know what.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
You reminded me of a more high pitched Troy Aikman.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
I do not see that at all.
Speaker 5 (46:09):
Like I'm telling you that might be. I swear that
might have been the worst comparison ever.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
I don't think it is. I've had.
Speaker 6 (46:15):
First of all, I've had plenty of worse comparisons, a
lot worse than that one.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
I'm telling you higher pitch.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
That's that's that's not telling you that was the worst
thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
That was my take What made you say that, Jon, Because.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
He's a Texas accent.
Speaker 6 (46:32):
Yeah, there's there's like a there's like an accent. But
Troy Aikman's got more of a has.
Speaker 4 (46:39):
A Texas accent.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
Yeah, that's weird because he's from West Covina, So it's
weird that you think that.
Speaker 6 (46:45):
I mean, Derek Carr has got an accent. He's got
a Texas accent.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
I grew, He's got more of a country, he's from
more of a rule area. Well, listen, Cole McCoy's got
an accent, and that doesn't mean all of a sudden
everyone has the accent sounds like Trey.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
No, I'm just saying that was you. You asked me
what the detail on that? That was my takeaway.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
I didn't ask you. LeVar asked you. Yeah, I understood
where you're God.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
Did ask you. I didn't know you. Guys start going like, well,
I didn't know you guys compared.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
To Troy Aikman.
Speaker 6 (47:17):
Gosh, like, find me somebody else that gave that comp
All right, we're setting standards.
Speaker 5 (47:22):
Here's the thing is, we don't need a comp The
whole general point to it is, you know, a guy's
voice is his voice.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
That's what he's got dealing with.
Speaker 5 (47:28):
Honestly, Like I listened to Romo sometimes, and when I
listened back to my stuff, I'm like, I wonder all
the years of barking out to like a Cadence and
all that, like how that played an impact on our
vocal cords. Like I've never cared enough to go have
someone do that. There's there's people who are really big
in this industry that they'll get their like vocal cords
looked at, and they'll try to have a diet and
(47:50):
this whole regiment around protecting their vocal cords because they
do voiceovers or that's that's their life. That's a real thing,
by the way, But I just I don't have time
for that. I have four kids and stuff. I'm going
a lot going on right now. Like I just, you know,
it is what it is. I'm not, you know, I'm
not that insecure about like how my voice sounds, but
some people are. And and that's again, it's something that
(48:12):
people are gonna have to get used to because their
their cadence and their sounded is what it is that's
really not going to change. Their confidence and comfort talking
is what's gonna change.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
I just you know, Terrell Davis used to do the
voice warm ups, the vocal coret warm ups, the hot
water and all that stuff, like he did it by
the book too, by the way, before every show. You know,
it was what I mean, the whole Tom Brady thing
is I was telling somebody because I was sitting with
somebody who's on the C group with with Sanchez and
(48:46):
those guys on on the plane yesterday and we were
talking and he's like, not the producer, but like kind
of the director of of of their their broadcast, and
we were talking and we were talking about Tom Brady,
and I was like, listen, man, if anybody thinks that
for as good as he's been at what it is
that he's done, that he's not going to figure it out,
you're kidding yourself. So whatever it was, the result was
(49:09):
the result was the result. If he had moments with
his rhythm, or he had moments where you know, his
cadence might have been off, or whatever it may have been,
the bottom line is now it's on film and it's
a real one. You know. It's not the u UFL
or you know, anything else that he may have been doing.
Now he has a real game under his belt, real time,
(49:30):
the feelings and the emotions of a big game, because
that was a big game probably, I mean, that's up
there as one of the biggest games of the weekend
in the NFL. Now he gets to go back and
he gets to study it. And one thing about him,
he's going to have the support team that goes over
it with him, and then he's going to continue to
work on it. That's the thing about it. You can't
(49:50):
ever think that you're rap. It's kind of like what
Bletsoe said, that's what Tom That's what Tom Brady's going
to do. So whatever his results were, whereas results his results,
you have to do it in order to get better
at it. And it's in front, it's in front of
millions of people while he's learning. But that's it. Just
(50:11):
he's got to have enough thick skin to be able
to get to where he's going to to become what
he's going to be.
Speaker 5 (50:17):
Go ahead, and I was just saying, and he's he's
been working hard at it. I think this he had
thirty games he has done rehearsals on before this game,
you know, And there's something to be said for that,
where when the red light comes on and this is real, real,
it's not the same as rehearsals because in the back
of your mind, like practice whatever, I don't care if
(50:38):
it's a scrimmage, you know, you don't have the whole
weight of the world on your shoulders at that moment,
and where everyone's listening to every word you say. Once
that red light goes on, it's the real deal. You
feel that, And the hardest thing is much like quarterback play,
until you do it for real, for real, real, there's
really no replacing it, and so you you have to
(51:00):
get experience. So again back to the initial point you're making,
Jonas like, I just think he'll continue to get better,
he'll continue to settle in. This is just the beginning,
and I think it's going to be one that works out.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
I will say this too, I was.
Speaker 5 (51:14):
Wrong about what I had heard in regards to his
ownership stake in the Raiders and how this will work
out with broadcasting. So what I had heard over the
past weekend is the restrictions on his access to teams.
If he gets this minority stake in the Las Vegas Raiders,
(51:37):
they're already actually working under those restrictions now, almost as
an act of good faith, as to, hey, this is
how we're going to operate, even though this hasn't been approved,
even though this all hasn't transpired or taken place yet
with the Raiders, and it's been approved. So that was
one interesting nugget that I thought was, Okay, this is
unique because just say you were wrong, Yeah, one hundred percent,
(52:01):
I dude, I was obviously. I mean, I'm probably gonna
be wrong with the Browns. I'm willing to admit that
right now after one game in the NFL Seas. But
the point is is he will be able to do
both until there comes a point in time where he
doesn't or he has the opportunity maybe to become the
majority owner, but he is on a strict policy where
(52:24):
he's limited as far as what he can do now. However,
the difficulty of implementing that is it's Tom Brady. You know,
he knows these coaches right like he knows Mike McCarthy.
He doesn't need to go sit in a production meeting
where he's sitting at a round table in whatever conference
room USA at some Marriott hotel or Hilton known hotel
(52:45):
where they're going to be talking it with their whole crew.
To Mike McCarthy, he could just call Mike and go
talk to him for an hour on the phone if
he wants. No different than Dak, no different than anyone
else because he's Tom Brady. And obviously there's when you
have relationships like that. A lot of other guys do
that too, But that's one of the things too that
stands out is whatever whatever restrictions they place on him,
it's like, well, how's that really gonna work out in reality?
(53:07):
Like it's good to say that, but in the end,
you've got personal relationships that extend past that. So I
was concerned, like would he still be able to do
this job and the capacity needs to if he is limited,
But it sounds like even if they try to limit
his access, he's still Tom Brady. He's still going to
get that access and be able to potentially have this
minority stake in the Las Vegas Raiders once it is approved.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
Get them Tom, get him it.
Speaker 6 (53:33):
Just I love the people that are so bitter, like
they want to see him struggle at something, because there's
so few things that he struggles at.
Speaker 4 (53:42):
So it's like that, you know what he struggled at,
what's that getting to where he got to. So if
that's what they're looking for, God blessed that man had
to struggle to get to college. He had to struggle
to get splitting time in at Michigan, he had to
struggle to get the star arting job and become the
captain of the team. He had to struggle to get that.
(54:04):
He had to struggle to get to get drafted.
Speaker 6 (54:07):
A struggle would you guys say, Chris Collinsworth is a
good broadcaster.
Speaker 3 (54:11):
I think you know.
Speaker 6 (54:13):
There was a point last night in overtime where some
people wondered whether or not he knew the overtime rules
because he he thought Detroit was just going to settle
for a field goal and win the game. Like that's
the impression that you got. And that's a guy who's
as good as anybody that's ever done it. And like,
sometimes listen, you have a bad moment, you make a mistake.
It happens man first game, for God, Like people are
(54:35):
just like wearing him out on social media for his
first game, Like, come on, man like and also if
the voice is that much of a problem, I would
get the argument if he was a play by play guy.
Play by play guy, that's where you need the voice,
that's where you need like so what Like there's a
lot of other people. John Madden didn't have the greatest
voice in the world, like a lot of people thought.
(54:57):
He was, you know, jumbling his words and it was this,
but you ended up to learn to appreciate what he
brought to it. I think Tom Brady's gonna be able
to find his path and find his groove.
Speaker 4 (55:06):
He'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
It's gonna be good.
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