October 11, 2022 • 43 mins
Tuesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Chiefs comeback against the Raiders on MNF in part thanks to Josh McDaniels going for a 2pt-conversion instead of tying the game. The refs continue to call ridiculous roughing the passer penalties. The Panthers fire HC Matt Rhule, but blame needs to be shared with an unlikely character, and it’s a bad look in Washington with Ron Rivera throwing Carson Wentz under the bus.
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Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar Areas Radio, Quinn and Jonas Knocks on
Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, you're gonna have a good show.
That's what it means. We can't have a good show
if I don't do that. That's the indicator. That is
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the indicator this show for me, it's what Live Bed
Jesus shows up. But there's no radio show. What makes
the bet last night? Yeah, I agree, pretty weird, but
not pretty weird. Didn't hit the bet. I mean, yeah,
he actually want a bet, which means I think it
goes to show you something. Yeah, I think that loser
and he's a stop coming on our show. Thank you.
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That that's I mean, what do I I mean, it
doesn't insult me to you make fun of Live Bed
Jesus one of the most consistent contributors in the history
of Fox Sports Radio, winner losing never he never comes
on our show anymore. I mean there's no real live
games going on. I mean, well it makes sense then, okay,
just you know, there was a live game and he
got a little frisky and then wanted to make some
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money and he did, I mean plus five and a
half was there for the taking. I'll say this, if
you wanted every food group represented in the world of football,
you had it in that game last night. You had
superstars being superstars. You had shotty officiating. Yeah, you had
you had coaches making questionable decisions that people are gonna
look back on in question. You had Davante Adams shoving
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some guy in his ass after the game. I mean,
everything was there that That game had everything. That was
a phenomenal football game last night on Monday. And oh yeah,
bravo to uh to the Chiefs and the Raiders. That
was a one of the great rivalry he did. Yeah
that uh the I think it was. That was what
was the prop that we did most receptions in the game. Yeah,
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I think you took Travis Kelsey. Yeah, you took Kelsey there.
What a fun game, man, that was an awesome game.
But I think about how what kind of start that
got off to. I mean I was watching, Oh if
you feel like a Chief said you're going at home
and here's let the Raiders walk right into your front
door and just say how you're doing. Daddy doesn't live
here anymore. And the next thing you know, it's like
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training to ten and a half. You know, Chiefs starting
to creep back in and I've watched this going oh here,
here it is, this is this is where the Chiefs
just creep right back on into this thing. And sure enough,
dude Kelsey and Patrick Mahomes. I don't want to I
don't want this to be hyperbole. Are they the best
quarterback had incomination that we've seen? I mean, I know
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we've had Bridy and Ground. I think they already better.
Uh sharp, yeah, dude, I mean last night to me
watch him. I don't get it. Why can't the Raiders
just put two dudes on him and say, here it is,
We'll let you run and we'll let you throw it.
Anyone else, just don't throw the Travis Kelsey and they
still can't stop it. Maybe I need to credit any
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reading Eric Pna for design, but they seem to continually
find ways of getting him the football, and it's unbelievable.
Are doing you, as a de federal looking and go
It's not that complicated, guys, like just just just cover him,
let someone else speach you, right, you would think so,
But it's it's always trying to maintain the balance of
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of the defense and the integrity of the defense. It's like, yeah,
pay attention to him. But then it's like, Okay, are
we running his own? Is he running through the zones?
Are we running a man? Are we manning him and
zoning everything else? And then the ball is snapped and
then now we got to read is there a run?
And it is in theory simple to say, key the
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guy like key Kelsey, key, this guy. Don't let him
beat us. And the teams that are able to do
it are the ones that you'll see have more success
than the than the teams that know they need to
do it and can't seem to do it. I don't know.
I mean, he he kept getting open and he kept
making big plays and and my homes kept finding them.
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If they can, if they can find a way to
sustain that, that says to me that Kansas City can,
because the way they play defense, I think they still are.
I think they've proven they're still the I want to
get it out of maybe second or maybe a one
aide to Buffalo, but most dangerous team in the league
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for sure. If Kansas City and Buffalo played right now,
who are you taking in that game? Because I still
think I would take Kansas City. I still think I
would take Kansas City. I swear to god, I'm probably
taking Buffalo. I don't know, just if they're fully healthy,
I'm taking. That's my one caveat. It's actually the point
of analysis that matters. Yeah, yeah, you can't put out
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the walking wood in your secondary. I think you're gonna
cover the chief There you go, there you go. So
that's my cab. Where's the game played? All right, it's
in Buffalo, you know, sure, Kansas City probably giving each
team the edge there. I think it's had a neutral site,
you know, like a I don't know, Buffalo, Wild Wings,
an anchor bar. I'd probably get buff He still gotta
go with Buffalo A Buffalo. Well when you think so, yeah,
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just just because I think that they feel a little
bit more comfortable. Yeah, um, I just look at it
and I go. Kansas City has played in so many
big time games, if you think about it, all that
Patrick Mahomes knows as Chiefs quarterback is conference championship games
and every time that is true. Yeah, he knows Hawaiian
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shirts and yeah, and and you've got you know now
now Andy Reid's and his commercials as well too, So
there's that there. Now, he's a good actor. I thought
he sold that part pretty well. He is. I just
that that was so much fun last night. But do
you question Josh McDaniels going for two in that spot?
Do you question it? I mean I thought, I thought
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Hikabs got in, but unfortunately came up short. So how
much time would have been left even if he did
a couple of minutes a little? That's kind of the
problem is like you could say, oh, we went for
the win, but it's like, well did you because Ken
say is gonna get the ball, drive right back down
the field and probably have a shot um. And even
though they had a shot there at the end, if
not for Hunter renfro and Davante Adams running a collision
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course into one another. You know, but I just I
look at it and go there, it's all four and
a half minutes, That's what I'm saying. Like there was
a lot of time, like I felt like, so it
really didn't matter because the Chiefs were going to have
a shot to overcome that, So I thought it was early. Personally,
I think you go, you tied up, and then if
you have another shot at the end, But like four
and a half minutes for those two teams, the way
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they were moving the ball, you were each going to
get another shot at it, right, chief the Chiefs obviously
we're gonna get another shot of that, and probably the
Raiders if they get the ball back, to get another
shot and doing something at the end. So I just
if the thought process was this is it, we're gonna
seal the game here, it's like, dude, you have four
and a half minutes left. I guess the Chiefs in
Arrowhead they're going to have another shot at scoring even
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if you get this um all right in the show,
it's got to be done. Four and a half minutes left,
so the rough past, all right, listen, go ahead. By
definition of the rule, if a quarterback doesn't have the football,
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Chris Jones literally stripped him of the football, he doesn't
get those same protections in the pocket. I guess you
could you could maybe say, well, after the ball releases
his hand, there's a period of time we're in the pocket.
You still can't hit him a certain way. Okay, but
it's a fumble like this is a fumble. Chris Jones
had the football. This is it was the most egregious
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mistake I've seen and I don't know how long. I mean,
the end of NFL fish as drunk, Like that's the
only thing you can you can surmise from all this,
because it doesn't make any sense how you can make
that call. And we have gone. So I don't want
to say the things I want to say right now,
because I feel like we talked about it yesterday, like
how we tend to like over overcorrect when there's an issue,
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something that's like our societal issue. This is another issue
like we're seeing now in sports, and I absolutely hate that.
It almost feels intentional, like the officials are saying, oh,
you think we're being reckless here, Okay, this is what
you get if you don't want the NFL that we
were presenting you, and you think everybody's being reckless and
we don't care about player safety. Every time a guy
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cuts a fart near a quarterback, he's getting flagged fifteen yards.
Let's just do it that way. That that was so
bad last even in real time, Like I could understand
seeing Tom Brady spun to the ground in real time
and you go, okay, well maybe that he that was
violent and unnecessary last night. We get it. But last
night watching in real time, it was like, why was
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the flag being thrown if that's roughing personal foul, roughing
the passer or what? Was it roughing? Yeah? I mean yeah,
but that's the call was roughing? Yeah, just I don't know.
I mean, that's that is now. You know, defenders have
joked about it for many many years. Give the quarterback
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a flag and and let us grab the flag off
off of the quarterback. We have joked about, oh, don't
you know you're not allowed to hit the QB like
we've joked about it. But that is as blatant message
of saying stop hitting the QB as as it gets
because here's the thing, ye are you going to Is
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he going to get fined too? Like? Are are they?
Are they gonna find guys who you got ahold of
the ball on a sack strip recovery? But yet you
brutalize the quarterback and and in the process of doing so,
I mean, how are how are defenders supposed to feel
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if your ultimate goal as as a front seven guy
or a blitzing secondary guy at times, if your goal
and you're one main foe, kiss and the love of
of of the end result of what it is that
you do. When you do it right, it is ultimately
the finish at the quarterback. If you're taking that away,
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then I think responsibly speaking instead of instead of doing it.
The way that they're doing is almost like a passive
aggressive way of getting to the point of telling defenders
stop touching the quarterback. Just tell the tell the defensive
players that you're not supposed to touch the quarterback. I mean,
give give the defenders a fighting chance to have success
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at what it is that they do in their profession.
Because Chris Jones was doing what he's paid to do
and and got fined for or excuse me, and got
got a penalty for it, that just just doesn't That
doesn't add up. That one is that that's the most
egregious I've ever seen, And that's like, that's the most
egregious one. I just I don't know what you I
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literally don't know even how you usify. I don't know
how as as a league you say tell us how
this in any way, shape or form is a part
of of roughing the passer. The guy no longer as
a pastor. He doesn't have the ball by definition, your
own rule, your own language. This doesn't make any sense.
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It was a strip sack fumble. It can't be roughing
the passer if the guy is no longer a passer.
And I don't know what else you wanted Chris Jones
to do. He's running from behind his sacked. Here a car.
Where do you want him to land? Where do you
want him to go? I mean the entire thought that
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a defensive player can't land on top of a quarterback anymore.
I mean, get out of here with that. You're now
putting defensive players at risk with the way you're asking
them to contort their body in a tight space so
they don't land in a manner that lands on top
of the quarterback. That's why quarterbacks are compensated so much.
I'm sorry, and I know people are gonna argue, what
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do you want to see a league with the old
back was playing? Yeah? I do, because that's obviously what
ends up happening in football. And so then the starter
has to beat tough, the starter has to come back.
And if you're worried about your team, then having to
play their backup, get a better backup. Like it makes
me so mad, I think because it's taken away from
the integrity of the game, like we're trying to act
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like this isn't a tough man's game, that's what it is.
This isn't the n b A, this isn't Major League baseball.
It's a contact sport. It's unbelievable. And it's like I
see these tweets from Troy Vince about flag football, like
is that what you Is that what they want? Because
that's what it seems like the league's going to like
they just wanted to be flag football. I don't want that.
I'm not gonna watch flag football. You want to do
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your skills challenge, great, I'm not watching could give two
craps about that. I cannot believe what we're seeing right
now in the NFL, and honestly what it is. It
kind of tarnishes I think the game that we used
to see for all the great all the older players
who have played, uh and and I've been through like
a lot more physical era football, Like it almost like
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they're probably looking at this goal. What the hell? I
was seriously like, what did we go through? What did
we play in? And that? What is this? I mean,
it's disrespectful for all those who kind of put put
their bodies through so much, you know, punishment and abuse
for sport. Now they probably can even recognize it's two
pros and a cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. Now, obviously,
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with these two teams headed in different directions, the Raiders
have got to buy this week. But those Kansas City
Chiefs are getting the bills this upcoming weekend. And so
I'm gonna ask you, guys, VI had to guess, what
do you think that if anybody hasn't seen the betting
line as Kansas City, Kansas City is hosting Buffalo this weekend,
So you think the line is three in favor of
Kansas City. No, I think Buffalo. Okay, think it's one
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or two. It's two and a half, all right, So
the Buffalo bills are two and a half point favors
at the chief Sys coming Sunday. So that sounds about
take those points. I'm gladly take those points. Kansas City
gets it done. Who knows, maybe Chris Jones will be
suspended for that game though, so that could also impact
what is happening based on based on that the first half,
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that's the front targeting for that for that reckless behavior
last treatment he treated hispandex at the combo. That is
true disrespect to the turf. When he landed, I had
to buckle off. You know, I gotta be careful out there.
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Matt Rule. He gone, that's that'll that'll wrap that up
in Carolina Matt Rule. That they gave him an opportunity
to get his pick of what what college job he wants.
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You know, if he's got offsets like yeah, like go
go fire him now? Why continue to keep paying him
if you don't think he's you know, he's gonna be
a guy that's around next year. I mean, from my understanding,
I think Ian Rappaport sent out a tweet saying basically
rules paid out for the rest of this year, but
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I think there's another forty million or so that's out
to him, and that would be offset by any college
job that he does take. So so that was more.
That's probably the main reason why they did that, right that,
I want to say themselves dollars well, I think it's twofold.
I think it's they get to be first, first crack.
It's starting to search. Um. Look, and they might like
Steve Wilkes a lot. Look, I had Steve Wiokes as
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a coach, um, and I got a lot of respect
for him. I hated the fact that the only game
a year in Arizona that ended up being someone of
a dumpster fire with the way that was all handled.
He's got enough games where he could try to make
a run for turning this thing around. Now I think
he's got an uphill battle. I mean p J. Walker
comes in now, his quarterback Baker's band up that defense.
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He's got to get them plying at a higher level,
which which will be calling the defense too. Because they
let go of Phil Snow, who was Matt Rule's longtime
defensive corded or so that that kind of made some
sense to when Rule got fired that Snow is gonna
go with them. So it's look, I mean, the season
is not lost. But um, bottom line is they're facing
a lot of the issues that Matt Rule faced over
his tenure right now, injuries, etcetera. This is the least
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surprising story I think in the league as far as
we were braiding. I we texted on Sunday during the
game and said, there's no way he's going to be
here that much longer. We were actually firing him in
that moment. Yeah, yeah, David Tepper was was also on
the line as well too. We made sure that we
contacted him. I feel bad for Matt Rule, not in
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the sense, and he's getting, you know, forty plus million
dollars still remaining on the contract if he if he
decides not to take a college job, whatever the final
number is going to be. But they never figured out
the quarterback position. But it was retread after retread. It
was Teddy Bridgewater than it was Sam Donald, and then
they flirted with the idea of acquiring to Shaun Watson.
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But then I think it was Albert Brier told us
that they refused to give him the final two years guarantee.
They were only willing to guarantee two of the four
or five years, whatever the case was. It just it
just feels like lot Smith what I mean. It's etainly
people can figure it out on their own, but it
just felt like they never had the quarterback position in
the right direction, and Matt Rule just had to deal
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with retread after retread, and like Nick Saban said it
after he left the NFL to go back to college,
he said his biggest regret was the quarterback position. He's like,
we never really figured it out. They brought in Dante
Cole Pepper and Saban had more success than Matt Rule did.
I just felt like he was doom from the start,
and we talked about it in the off season. David
Tepper put the heat on him in the off season
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with some comments he made, and he tried to walk
him back, and Matt Rule even spoke up on it
and said, well, listen, I mean I was brought in
here and told I was going to be giving a
full opportunity to get this thing figured out and to
get this thing in the right direction. And ultimately we're
five games into the season and now he's gonna ask
you guys this, do you guys, how how much of
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the blame do you put at the feet of Matt Rule? Well?
Some of it, Yeah, you have to put it. Well,
I say, I'd say a good portion of it. It's
ultimately his team. I think I put someone him, um,
you know, maybe say the front office and some of
the decisions in regards to the quarterback spot. I don't
know if he had full control or any control over that,
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that would be something that I would have been frustrated by.
And then Olivia Coolpole. I mean, look, Christian McCaffrey has
been healthy. He's the best player, and you know there's
only one something. Were we talking about her at practice yesterday?
We brought up Christian eyes work. It wasn't me. We
we brought up Christian McCaffrey. And you know the conversation
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of that ensued after and I think everyone unders ants
like she's partially to play like someone someone needs to, like,
you know, talk to her about and that's very real.
I was never healthy after I fell in love, man,
never was why. I was always your hearts somewhere else.
And my knees, my knees were two like the cartilage
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was was given out the just Bert that was so
the car was actually really good though. That was good
that that cartilage was good, carlage Bert was talking about
was good, you know, the cartilage and my knees. However,
we're not for some string there there is some weekend
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there's somebody who's got high death speakers somewhere who heard
exactly what Berto just said there. I don't know anomy
that well, but I'm pretty sure that's not carl Yeah,
it's like Brady's ears. There's no Carlage there either that. Yeah,
I mean I don't know there there might be cartilage.
I mean that's um. So I've done some research. I'm
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gonna go ahead and just forward you guys just the
research I was able to put together. Yeah, it sounds funny. Anyway,
we get back to your point. I just gonna ask
did he have enough time? Like? My thing is the
timing of it where you had two plus years and
I don't know, maybe they felt like the way the
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season started off, they're like, this is the same thing
we saw the last two years. And I don't want
to give you a chance to save the season by
winning some games down the stretch and making it look
like there's progress when there's not. But that being said,
wouldn't that be the definition of progress? Like if you
could build with a new quarterback again and your team
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to win more games than you did the year before.
Like that's the thing I hate about it is for
a guy who I think was signed to a seven
year deal, which was unprecedented for a college, you know,
first time head coach to get that much money, and
then you really not let him have that much more
time than the average NFL coach that's hired. I just
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I don't know that he had enough time to ultimately
turn this team around. I think that way they need to.
I think it was a smart move, And honestly, I
think you're a hundred percent spot on. They killed two
birds with one stone here, so to speak. You're you're
putting Matt Rule in a position nobody's gonna hold Matt
Rule accountable at the college ranks and be like, yeah,
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Matt Rule is a bad coach. He wouldn't be able
to come in and get our boosters excited and get
everybody going the way that he needed to get them
going um out of college, out of really really good
college of fine college. He's been a fine coach at
that level. So I think that that is a great
opportunity for Matt and a new start, and it's a
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great opportunity for as you mentioned Q, for them to
get from underneath what they would have to pay him.
And then the second part of it is, which I
didn't really think about it, but why not be the
first one to the party. Why not it yourself in
a position where you can start courting Sean Payton or
whoever it else that maybe the type of coach you
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feel you could bring in there and change your organization.
If you feel like you can change the trajectory of
your organization with higher like a Sean Payton, then get
started with courting him. Now get started now, like all right,
how do you want to build this team? Like, let's start,
because that's that's not colluding, is it. There's no collusion
in that because there's no there's no connection to right, Yeah,
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they can yeah, it doesn't matter at that point, they
can talk to him. They can speak to him freely, like, yeah,
you want to come into the facility and start putting
together a war room with with or who you want
your front office to be a start assembling your because
if you think about it, he can start assembling his
his his coaching staff. I mean, now, I don't know,
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maybe that might be tampering if if if the guy
works for a different team, But if you're having just casual,
friendly conversation where I haven't made any decisions yet, but
if I were too que we go are we going
to Nebraska, if we were to have I don't see
that being colluding or tampering. Right. Do you think Matt
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Ryle is gonna bring you on his staff? You know
I've been I've been approached a few times and approached
a few times. I just don't. I can't make that
type of time commitment. I really can't. Just I would love,
I would love to be able to coach at the
college level, just not give the amount of time that
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it like, the recruiting and the just being away. It's
just a way you're way too too long, too much.
It's too much, just like any schools, any recruits. You
just like, when you want to talk to him, just
have him on the show and then we'll just we'll
talk to him on the air. I'm a health of
the recruiter. Yeah, I'll tell you that I have delivered
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for many, many years from great results. Can you recruit nice? Cool?
What do you mean I'm I'm a hell of a
recruiter for a college? Oh got you? Got you? I
thought you met for high schools. Yeah. No, you're not
supposed to recruit or use unjust uh unjust uh what
is that called? Um? Well, if you're a private member
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to come to your school. You're not supposed to at
a private school, it's against the law. Are private school,
you can do whatever you want. I mean everybody. It's
like the biggest running joke in California. That's the biggest
running across the country. School recruits, but you're not supposed
to use unjust influences what it's called. Even at private
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school like Sarah Yes Sarah, or or Modern Day or Bosco,
you're not allowed. You're not allowed to call it recruiting.
You're not allowed to recruit. So that's the funny thing
is I'm I'm coaching out of public school, and we're undefeated,
and we have a really good team, and and one
of the coaches after the game was like, yeah, yeah,
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way to go Transfer Oak. You know our our name
of our school is Charter Oak. So they're like, yeah, wait,
good game, transfer over. I'm like, hold on, Like, didn't
you just get three or four sitouts coming on your team?
By the way, you guys are seven and all right,
we are seven, I mean, not here to be the
bearer of bad news, but two and five against the spread.
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So I just want to point that out again. Not
trying to be negative. They're not trying to be negative here,
but but I just would like to make that clear.
Where are you getting those lines from? I got, I got,
I got places. Don't see IF Book. Don't they make
money off of everybody everything else connected to California sports.
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undefeated Eagles, you've got the Cowboys and Giants sitting at
four and one. Everybody's headed in the right direction except
for the Washington Commandos. They're bad football team, and so
they're head coach Ron Rivera spoke yesterday and this is
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going to be a fun little exercise of did you
actually hear the entire press conference or did you just
hear what went viral because he was asked by the
media about the difference between them and the other teams
in the division, and it played out like this, why
do you think the teams in the division are father
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had at this point? Quarterback? Is that? I mean with
Night like the Cowboys friends is there? They don't have
Dak Prescott this season and still haven't able to They
started with they built around dock and the offense is
built around Dock. Um. They're back up a guy that's
very solid inside of it, inside of what they do. Um.
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And the truth is that this is a quarterback driven
league and if you look at the teams that have
been able to sustain success, they've been able to build
it around a specific quarterback. So so why haven't you
found a specific quarterback? Now? What people ran with was
just the quarterback spot. And oh my, that that's a
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a damning thing to say about Carson Wentz and on.
Never mind the fact that he was a little bit
complimentary of Carson Wentz after the fact, as he said here, okay,
but but pump the brakes. It sounds bad. Of course
that's only Juan Rivera, a former player, but he has
a reputation for being a player's coach. And so one
of the two things is that play here. Either Wentz
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is just really disliked and he just got a personality
that it's hard for people to like him. Is that
seemed to be the case in Philly, that seemed to
be the case in India. Now you're in Washington, you've
got a head coach who again by and large with
they never say never, and and and here's the other
part that I'd just say in defensive wins, he's not
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the problem in Washington. How about that. You can talk
about what happened to the end of the last week's game.
He was the only reason they were in that game.
Dude three for almost three in the sixty yards last week,
a couple of touchdowns. Like he he's not the reason.
He's not the reason. Like if you look at what
he's done to keep his team in games this season
in Washington in comparison to other quarterbacks, whether it's Daniel Jones,
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Cooper Rush, he's the one doing all the heavy lifting.
So like he could complain about wins all he wants,
but the reality is their defense hasn't been as good
as what they thought. When Chase Young came the league,
we thought he was gonna be this this big old time,
you know, takeover games type player, and he that draft
pick has not worked out to have the impact they
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thought it was gonna have. That front has not had
the impact they thought it was gonna have. Their pass
coverage is still lacking. The run game is not existing.
They've had some offensive line issues. That's part of it.
But like if you really chalk up and watch throughout
the course of the season, guess what, It's not all
on Wentz. He hasn't played good at times, but other
times he's kept him in the game. So it's just
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it's surprising that you would hear a head coach drive
a bus directly over his starting quarterback at this point. Well,
here's what's for me. This is this is how I
kind of internalize it. Right. I look at this team
and I say, the storyline is already written and it
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it's like the blanks are replaceable. So it's like, okay.
Ever since Daniel Snyder owned this team, the team has struggled.
Outside of the first year that he owned the team.
So it's like, okay, this coach Boom North Turner offensive guru.
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You bring in Ray Rhodes defensive guru, who was a
former head coach, coached a pretty good Eagles team. You know,
they come in, fill in the blanks. They can't win,
lose close games, you know, whatever it may be. Boom
delete quarter quarterback. Oh, by the way, quarterback Brad Johnson.
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Back up Jeff George who ends up being the starter,
Jeff George. What did they do with Brad Johnson? He
goes to Tampa? What is what does Brad Johnson doing?
Tampa win a Super Bowl? Right? Keep going right, you
can keep going. Change the coach, Marty Schottenheimer comes in
as the coach. You have Patrick Ramsey, who's going to
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be your quarterback? Draft pick boom, big arm, big big,
big aspirations. Doesn't work out, coach gone, quarterback gone all right.
You bring in Steve Spurrier, You bring in Danny warfol
You bring in Shane Matthews, You bring in the uh
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the brother was hassleback. You got these guys, right, Tim
Tim Hasselback. You know they're all gone. No success continues
on like you could keep going Gibbs and and and
and listen, Mark Burnell, they had a measure of success.
We made it to the playoffs. But that was about it,
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right that there has never been a time where you
can sit there and look at the coach, the quarterback,
or this team and say that they have definitively changed
the direction, changed, the culture, changed what they are as
an organization since Dan Snyder's taking it over. That is
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the one constant of the storyline that has blanks that
can be filled in by any coach, any quarterback, any
running back, or any other player that you would like
to fill into those blanks. Is it just so? If
you remember back when Carson Wentz was in Philly and
there was a report that came out that some some
of his teammates denied, but there was anonymous teammates that
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went to the media and said, well, you know, he
doesn't interact with guys, he's not well liked, etcetera, etcetera.
And they all shot it down. Carson Wentz shot it
down at the time. And then you see just how
that all played out in Philadelphia, and then you see
what happened with Jim Ursay in the Indianapolis Colts last
year and then you hear what is it? Like? What
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am I missing with? When it comes to Carson Wentz,
he doesn't seem like a bad guy, but it seems
like everywhere he goes there's questions about him and whether
or not people actually like him. Does he does not
associate well or relate well with teams? Like what is
it about Carson Wentz that it seems like we're having
the same discussion with him where he gets buried by
people that he works with or or that he's playing with.
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Yet you look back on it and go, what wasn't
that bad? I mean, his numbers are better this point
last year in Indianapolis and Matt Ryan's are by far.
Yet the conversation about him was, well, he's got to
go because he's clearly the issue. Aren't his numbers better
than Matt Ryan's this year? Yes? Like that. That's why
I just I'm trying to figure out, like, like, what
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is what is happening here with Carson Wentz? I don't know.
I can only speculating throughout a theory. I feel. I
feel like the way he came into the nfl UM
it built up this idea or this ego that you
know he was. He kind of ascended rapidly to be
one of the top quarterbacks in a very short time span,
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and it probably wasn't warranted. Like the more you dive
into that Eagles team, that Doug Peterson led Eagles team,
the more you go back and go, well, you know,
he played well, but that was a really, really talented roster.
I was a good roster. I mean they went on
to win with even without him, with Nick Foles, they
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went on to win a super Bowl, and peculiarly there
is you know, issues there within that quarterback room. But
I'm sure there was a thought and WinCE his mind
because of how his career started off that he was
superior to you know, and he was the thing that
was making it all run and making it all go.
And it's not too far removed from him now where
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you look at Jailor Hurts, the success the Eagles are
having and yes, granted a new head coach and Nick Sirianni,
but that was what two years ago and once as
long I've been there and now you're watching it going, oh, okay,
maybe it wasn't necessarily once maybe maybe you know, there
weren't you know he wasn't as good as we thought.
And I think the tough thing is is, you know,
now he's bouncing around from team of team, and you're
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trying to play with the new systems, and it's incredibly
difficult to have success when you're running a system that
you haven't had a lot of time with. It just
is I mean, throwing to guys that you haven't had
you know, a lot of chance to play with. Whether
it's the communication with the align, the chemistry with the
guys you're throwing too, it's hard, Like it's hard at
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the most elite level of the NFL to be able
to compete with other guys who have played in systems
for years, who've played with guys for years, and to
have that same type of timing and anticipation and confidence
to even throw certain flows. You don't think Travis Kelsey
and Patrick Mahomes, If you think they couldn't both go
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out there blindfold and probably complete some passes, both of
them blindfold, You're you're nuts. Like they have they have
that sort of chemistry from playing so much together. And
Andy Reid knows exactly what his quarterback canon cannot do,
which I don't know that Patrick Mahomes, you know, it
is probably capable doing a whole lot. I'm not sure
what he can't do. But the point is when you're
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in Wentz's position, now you're just trying to survive. And
I think there's a lot of frustration that probably comes
with the fact of how his career started, where he
was looked at and probably thought to be an m
v P and what a second year the third year
would have ended up being, and then has an injury
and and then his career starts to look a lot different.
Since then he probably sitting back thinking, how would I
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be viewed differently had I stayed healthy what I've won
the m v P, I would have gone on to
win a Super Bowl like Nick Foles did with that team.
There's probably a lot of bitterness, to be honest with you,
because that those are the things that you can't get past,
like you can't control some of the things that happened
to you and how everything plays out. And so now
he's just trying to survive on these different rosters and
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he's put in a position that, again he's not the problem,
but he's taken all the blame, and it takes a
lot of a lot of fixed skin to be able
to deal with that. That's that's brutal. And then the
next year he gets banged up, he goes into a
playoff game. There were even some people when he was
in that playoff game against Seattle, he came out of
the game and he checked himself out because he took
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a hit to the head by Jadevian Clowney. A lot
of people thought was dirty to the back of the head,
And there was even some conversation afterwards about well, teammates
are giving him the side. I like, dude, it's a
playoff game. Why are you taking yourself out after he
had gotten cracked? And it just feels like after they
won that Super Bowl. To Brady's point, with a backup quarterback,
all of the shine was off him for the rest
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of his career. And he's just going to have to
deal with that, and and it's going to be a
crutch or whatever it's going to be in however long
he's gonna keep playing for me. You would assume after
this season that ship has sailed. Nobody else is going
to take a chance on him being a starting quarterback
for their team. And again, let's go back to the
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beginning of the conversation, She said it best. You've never
heard a coach just flat outside quarterback, like why are
we why are you not having a quarterback? You ain't
never heard like that's still your starting quarterback? You just
like if there was that that wasn't even a slowly
You didn't even stick a needle and it didn't even go.
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That was like pow, Wait what do it sounds like? Yeah?
That was that like a Draymond Green sucker punch. Yes,
it wasn't a sucker punch, just like Draymond's wasn't. Well,
this one might have been a sucker punch accident. I
don't know, Draymond, was it not a sucker punch? That
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wasn't I don't think really got pushed pushed. Now, I
will say this one is probably more of a sucker punch.
Like imagine if if Carson Wentzon just walked into the
press conference just by action and say hey, hey, coach,
did I leave my playbook in your office? And like, hey,
uh yeah, so coach, what what is the reason why
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you guys are so bad and why you suck quarterback? Like, oh,
I think I know where I left my playbook? I'll
just I'll just excuse myself from this this press conference.
Could you imagine accidentally being car Carson Wentz accidentally walking
into that press conference hearing that answer. Could you imagine
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Ron Rivera see it in the face on Carson Wentz
once he said and realized Carson Wentz was in the room. Now,
that's not what happened, I'm certain, But could you imagine
like hearing your coach say, well, why do you guys suck? Uh?
Carson Wentz? So he didn't let me ask you if
if you were to gauge Ron Rivera's like in that moment,
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because he did go on to seation. Okay, so you
think that when he went on to say some kind
things about Carson Wentz, like the person that says I
have black friends, or I listened to the Temptations and
and I have you know, a black person that comes
up to my house right before, right before you start
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talking about how much you don't like this about the
same culture, right, It's like, I I really don't like
Oh that's every person that says I've listened to the
Temptations before they to justify what they're about to say,
Just don't say it. Don't say it? So I just so,
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do you think don't do it? Do you think don't
be that person? Do you think when I listened to
the temptations? Do you think when do they When? Do
you think when he comes back afterwards and his complimentary
of him, do you think he realized, Oh, that came
out bad. I gotta I gotta recover. Here is he
didn't have to realize that he knew exactly what he
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was doing when he put that one out, because don't
nobody do it? Wait? You know what the best part is,
play play that again? Because after he says quarterback, the
person in the media, I don't know who asked somebody
was back there like they had no idea where to
go because they were stunned that he that he made
this answer say this again? Why do you think the
teams in the division her father had at this point? Quarterback?
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Is that? I mean? Is that? Wait? What is that?
Is that? What you said? It was like they didn't
even finish the sentence. You're really just gonna You're really
just gonna put him it on one guy. I'm just
gonna put it on one guy. Just got here. Just
Toro for almost three hundred and sixty yards. Is that
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that's the guy you're gonna pay? Not okay, just just
making sure that was like he was always like he
was under like he was like you had to give
a testimony and then to lie is to be purse.
You're purjurizing yourself. You was, you're committing perjury. Like, who
is the reason? Coach? You know what? It was like?
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It was the court. It was heppy. Did you see
that point them out in the courtroom? Did you guys
see the viral video where some guy went around on
the street and he was asking couples. He said, hey,
if you could sleep with one person from your past,
who would it be or another person? And the woman
in front of her boyfriend said my ex. And the
boyfriends like, wait what, no idea? Wait who him? You
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just dated him? Like they had no idea where to
go when when Ron Rivera went that direction with Carson Wentz,
so we the good news is they've got to come
back and play on Thursday night. Carson Wentz is the
starter's so so there's that on a short week. I mean,
sometimes negative reinforcement is pros I guess Fox Sports Radio
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money and he did, I mean plus five and a
half was there for the taking. I'll say this, if
you wanted every food group represented in the world of football,
you had it in that game last night. You had
superstars being superstars. You had shotty officiating. Yeah, you had
you had coaches making questionable decisions that people are gonna
look back on in question. You had Davante Adams shoving
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some guy in his ass after the game. I mean,
everything was there that That game had everything. That was
a phenomenal football game last night on Monday. And oh yeah,
bravo to uh to the Chiefs and the Raiders. That
was a one of the great rivalry he did. Yeah
that uh the I think it was. That was what
was the prop that we did most receptions in the game. Yeah,
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I think you took Travis Kelsey. Yeah, you took Kelsey there.
What a fun game, man, that was an awesome game.
But I think about how what kind of start that
got off to. I mean I was watching, Oh if
you feel like a Chief said you're going at home
and here's let the Raiders walk right into your front
door and just say how you're doing. Daddy doesn't live
here anymore. And the next thing you know, it's like
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training to ten and a half. You know, Chiefs starting
to creep back in and I've watched this going oh here,
here it is, this is this is where the Chiefs
just creep right back on into this thing. And sure enough,
dude Kelsey and Patrick Mahomes. I don't want to I
don't want this to be hyperbole. Are they the best
quarterback had incomination that we've seen? I mean, I know
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we've had Bridy and Ground. I think they already better.
Uh sharp, yeah, dude, I mean last night to me
watch him. I don't get it. Why can't the Raiders
just put two dudes on him and say, here it is,
We'll let you run and we'll let you throw it.
Anyone else, just don't throw the Travis Kelsey and they
still can't stop it. Maybe I need to credit any
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reading Eric Pna for design, but they seem to continually
find ways of getting him the football, and it's unbelievable.
Are doing you, as a de federal looking and go
It's not that complicated, guys, like just just just cover him,
let someone else speach you, right, you would think so,
But it's it's always trying to maintain the balance of
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of the defense and the integrity of the defense. It's like, yeah,
pay attention to him. But then it's like, Okay, are
we running his own? Is he running through the zones?
Are we running a man? Are we manning him and
zoning everything else? And then the ball is snapped and
then now we got to read is there a run?
And it is in theory simple to say, key the
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guy like key Kelsey, key, this guy. Don't let him
beat us. And the teams that are able to do
it are the ones that you'll see have more success
than the than the teams that know they need to
do it and can't seem to do it. I don't know.
I mean, he he kept getting open and he kept
making big plays and and my homes kept finding them.
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If they can, if they can find a way to
sustain that, that says to me that Kansas City can,
because the way they play defense, I think they still are.
I think they've proven they're still the I want to
get it out of maybe second or maybe a one
aide to Buffalo, but most dangerous team in the league
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for sure. If Kansas City and Buffalo played right now,
who are you taking in that game? Because I still
think I would take Kansas City. I still think I
would take Kansas City. I swear to god, I'm probably
taking Buffalo. I don't know, just if they're fully healthy,
I'm taking. That's my one caveat. It's actually the point
of analysis that matters. Yeah, yeah, you can't put out
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the walking wood in your secondary. I think you're gonna
cover the chief There you go, there you go. So
that's my cab. Where's the game played? All right, it's
in Buffalo, you know, sure, Kansas City probably giving each
team the edge there. I think it's had a neutral site,
you know, like a I don't know, Buffalo, Wild Wings,
an anchor bar. I'd probably get buff He still gotta
go with Buffalo A Buffalo. Well when you think so, yeah,
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just just because I think that they feel a little
bit more comfortable. Yeah, um, I just look at it
and I go. Kansas City has played in so many
big time games, if you think about it, all that
Patrick Mahomes knows as Chiefs quarterback is conference championship games
and every time that is true. Yeah, he knows Hawaiian
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shirts and yeah, and and you've got you know now
now Andy Reid's and his commercials as well too, So
there's that there. Now, he's a good actor. I thought
he sold that part pretty well. He is. I just
that that was so much fun last night. But do
you question Josh McDaniels going for two in that spot?
Do you question it? I mean I thought, I thought
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Hikabs got in, but unfortunately came up short. So how
much time would have been left even if he did
a couple of minutes a little? That's kind of the
problem is like you could say, oh, we went for
the win, but it's like, well did you because Ken
say is gonna get the ball, drive right back down
the field and probably have a shot um. And even
though they had a shot there at the end, if
not for Hunter renfro and Davante Adams running a collision
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course into one another. You know, but I just I
look at it and go there, it's all four and
a half minutes, That's what I'm saying. Like there was
a lot of time, like I felt like, so it
really didn't matter because the Chiefs were going to have
a shot to overcome that, So I thought it was early. Personally,
I think you go, you tied up, and then if
you have another shot at the end, But like four
and a half minutes for those two teams, the way
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they were moving the ball, you were each going to
get another shot at it, right, chief the Chiefs obviously
we're gonna get another shot of that, and probably the
Raiders if they get the ball back, to get another
shot and doing something at the end. So I just
if the thought process was this is it, we're gonna
seal the game here, it's like, dude, you have four
and a half minutes left. I guess the Chiefs in
Arrowhead they're going to have another shot at scoring even
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if you get this um all right in the show,
it's got to be done. Four and a half minutes left,
so the rough past, all right, listen, go ahead. By
definition of the rule, if a quarterback doesn't have the football,
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Chris Jones literally stripped him of the football, he doesn't
get those same protections in the pocket. I guess you
could you could maybe say, well, after the ball releases
his hand, there's a period of time we're in the pocket.
You still can't hit him a certain way. Okay, but
it's a fumble like this is a fumble. Chris Jones
had the football. This is it was the most egregious
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mistake I've seen and I don't know how long. I mean,
the end of NFL fish as drunk, Like that's the
only thing you can you can surmise from all this,
because it doesn't make any sense how you can make
that call. And we have gone. So I don't want
to say the things I want to say right now,
because I feel like we talked about it yesterday, like
how we tend to like over overcorrect when there's an issue,
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something that's like our societal issue. This is another issue
like we're seeing now in sports, and I absolutely hate that.
It almost feels intentional, like the officials are saying, oh,
you think we're being reckless here, Okay, this is what
you get if you don't want the NFL that we
were presenting you, and you think everybody's being reckless and
we don't care about player safety. Every time a guy
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cuts a fart near a quarterback, he's getting flagged fifteen yards.
Let's just do it that way. That that was so
bad last even in real time, Like I could understand
seeing Tom Brady spun to the ground in real time
and you go, okay, well maybe that he that was
violent and unnecessary last night. We get it. But last
night watching in real time, it was like, why was
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the flag being thrown if that's roughing personal foul, roughing
the passer or what? Was it roughing? Yeah? I mean yeah,
but that's the call was roughing? Yeah, just I don't know.
I mean, that's that is now. You know, defenders have
joked about it for many many years. Give the quarterback
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a flag and and let us grab the flag off
off of the quarterback. We have joked about, oh, don't
you know you're not allowed to hit the QB like
we've joked about it. But that is as blatant message
of saying stop hitting the QB as as it gets
because here's the thing, ye are you going to Is
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he going to get fined too? Like? Are are they?
Are they gonna find guys who you got ahold of
the ball on a sack strip recovery? But yet you
brutalize the quarterback and and in the process of doing so,
I mean, how are how are defenders supposed to feel
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if your ultimate goal as as a front seven guy
or a blitzing secondary guy at times, if your goal
and you're one main foe, kiss and the love of
of of the end result of what it is that
you do. When you do it right, it is ultimately
the finish at the quarterback. If you're taking that away,
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then I think responsibly speaking instead of instead of doing it.
The way that they're doing is almost like a passive
aggressive way of getting to the point of telling defenders
stop touching the quarterback. Just tell the tell the defensive
players that you're not supposed to touch the quarterback. I mean,
give give the defenders a fighting chance to have success
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at what it is that they do in their profession.
Because Chris Jones was doing what he's paid to do
and and got fined for or excuse me, and got
got a penalty for it, that just just doesn't That
doesn't add up. That one is that that's the most
egregious I've ever seen, And that's like, that's the most
egregious one. I just I don't know what you I
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literally don't know even how you usify. I don't know
how as as a league you say tell us how
this in any way, shape or form is a part
of of roughing the passer. The guy no longer as
a pastor. He doesn't have the ball by definition, your
own rule, your own language. This doesn't make any sense.
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It was a strip sack fumble. It can't be roughing
the passer if the guy is no longer a passer.
And I don't know what else you wanted Chris Jones
to do. He's running from behind his sacked. Here a car.
Where do you want him to land? Where do you
want him to go? I mean the entire thought that
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a defensive player can't land on top of a quarterback anymore.
I mean, get out of here with that. You're now
putting defensive players at risk with the way you're asking
them to contort their body in a tight space so
they don't land in a manner that lands on top
of the quarterback. That's why quarterbacks are compensated so much.
I'm sorry, and I know people are gonna argue, what
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do you want to see a league with the old
back was playing? Yeah? I do, because that's obviously what
ends up happening in football. And so then the starter
has to beat tough, the starter has to come back.
And if you're worried about your team, then having to
play their backup, get a better backup. Like it makes
me so mad, I think because it's taken away from
the integrity of the game, like we're trying to act
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like this isn't a tough man's game, that's what it is.
This isn't the n b A, this isn't Major League baseball.
It's a contact sport. It's unbelievable. And it's like I
see these tweets from Troy Vince about flag football, like
is that what you Is that what they want? Because
that's what it seems like the league's going to like
they just wanted to be flag football. I don't want that.
I'm not gonna watch flag football. You want to do
(12:45):
your skills challenge, great, I'm not watching could give two
craps about that. I cannot believe what we're seeing right
now in the NFL, and honestly what it is. It
kind of tarnishes I think the game that we used
to see for all the great all the older players
who have played, uh and and I've been through like
a lot more physical era football, Like it almost like
(13:08):
they're probably looking at this goal. What the hell? I
was seriously like, what did we go through? What did
we play in? And that? What is this? I mean,
it's disrespectful for all those who kind of put put
their bodies through so much, you know, punishment and abuse
for sport. Now they probably can even recognize it's two
pros and a cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. Now, obviously,
(13:31):
with these two teams headed in different directions, the Raiders
have got to buy this week. But those Kansas City
Chiefs are getting the bills this upcoming weekend. And so
I'm gonna ask you, guys, VI had to guess, what
do you think that if anybody hasn't seen the betting
line as Kansas City, Kansas City is hosting Buffalo this weekend,
So you think the line is three in favor of
Kansas City. No, I think Buffalo. Okay, think it's one
(13:54):
or two. It's two and a half, all right, So
the Buffalo bills are two and a half point favors
at the chief Sys coming Sunday. So that sounds about
take those points. I'm gladly take those points. Kansas City
gets it done. Who knows, maybe Chris Jones will be
suspended for that game though, so that could also impact
what is happening based on based on that the first half,
(14:15):
that's the front targeting for that for that reckless behavior
last treatment he treated hispandex at the combo. That is
true disrespect to the turf. When he landed, I had
to buckle off. You know, I gotta be careful out there.
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Matt Rule. He gone, that's that'll that'll wrap that up
in Carolina Matt Rule. That they gave him an opportunity
to get his pick of what what college job he wants.
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You know, if he's got offsets like yeah, like go
go fire him now? Why continue to keep paying him
if you don't think he's you know, he's gonna be
a guy that's around next year. I mean, from my understanding,
I think Ian Rappaport sent out a tweet saying basically
rules paid out for the rest of this year, but
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I think there's another forty million or so that's out
to him, and that would be offset by any college
job that he does take. So so that was more.
That's probably the main reason why they did that, right that,
I want to say themselves dollars well, I think it's twofold.
I think it's they get to be first, first crack.
It's starting to search. Um. Look, and they might like
Steve Wilkes a lot. Look, I had Steve Wiokes as
(15:40):
a coach, um, and I got a lot of respect
for him. I hated the fact that the only game
a year in Arizona that ended up being someone of
a dumpster fire with the way that was all handled.
He's got enough games where he could try to make
a run for turning this thing around. Now I think
he's got an uphill battle. I mean p J. Walker
comes in now, his quarterback Baker's band up that defense.
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He's got to get them plying at a higher level,
which which will be calling the defense too. Because they
let go of Phil Snow, who was Matt Rule's longtime
defensive corded or so that that kind of made some
sense to when Rule got fired that Snow is gonna
go with them. So it's look, I mean, the season
is not lost. But um, bottom line is they're facing
a lot of the issues that Matt Rule faced over
his tenure right now, injuries, etcetera. This is the least
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surprising story I think in the league as far as
we were braiding. I we texted on Sunday during the
game and said, there's no way he's going to be
here that much longer. We were actually firing him in
that moment. Yeah, yeah, David Tepper was was also on
the line as well too. We made sure that we
contacted him. I feel bad for Matt Rule, not in
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the sense, and he's getting, you know, forty plus million
dollars still remaining on the contract if he if he
decides not to take a college job, whatever the final
number is going to be. But they never figured out
the quarterback position. But it was retread after retread. It
was Teddy Bridgewater than it was Sam Donald, and then
they flirted with the idea of acquiring to Shaun Watson.
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But then I think it was Albert Brier told us
that they refused to give him the final two years guarantee.
They were only willing to guarantee two of the four
or five years, whatever the case was. It just it
just feels like lot Smith what I mean. It's etainly
people can figure it out on their own, but it
just felt like they never had the quarterback position in
the right direction, and Matt Rule just had to deal
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with retread after retread, and like Nick Saban said it
after he left the NFL to go back to college,
he said his biggest regret was the quarterback position. He's like,
we never really figured it out. They brought in Dante
Cole Pepper and Saban had more success than Matt Rule did.
I just felt like he was doom from the start,
and we talked about it in the off season. David
Tepper put the heat on him in the off season
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with some comments he made, and he tried to walk
him back, and Matt Rule even spoke up on it
and said, well, listen, I mean I was brought in
here and told I was going to be giving a
full opportunity to get this thing figured out and to
get this thing in the right direction. And ultimately we're
five games into the season and now he's gonna ask
you guys this, do you guys, how how much of
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the blame do you put at the feet of Matt Rule? Well?
Some of it, Yeah, you have to put it. Well,
I say, I'd say a good portion of it. It's
ultimately his team. I think I put someone him, um,
you know, maybe say the front office and some of
the decisions in regards to the quarterback spot. I don't
know if he had full control or any control over that,
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that would be something that I would have been frustrated by.
And then Olivia Coolpole. I mean, look, Christian McCaffrey has
been healthy. He's the best player, and you know there's
only one something. Were we talking about her at practice yesterday?
We brought up Christian eyes work. It wasn't me. We
we brought up Christian McCaffrey. And you know the conversation
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of that ensued after and I think everyone unders ants
like she's partially to play like someone someone needs to, like,
you know, talk to her about and that's very real.
I was never healthy after I fell in love, man,
never was why. I was always your hearts somewhere else.
And my knees, my knees were two like the cartilage
(19:17):
was was given out the just Bert that was so
the car was actually really good though. That was good
that that cartilage was good, carlage Bert was talking about
was good, you know, the cartilage and my knees. However,
we're not for some string there there is some weekend
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there's somebody who's got high death speakers somewhere who heard
exactly what Berto just said there. I don't know anomy
that well, but I'm pretty sure that's not carl Yeah,
it's like Brady's ears. There's no Carlage there either that. Yeah,
I mean I don't know there there might be cartilage.
I mean that's um. So I've done some research. I'm
(20:01):
gonna go ahead and just forward you guys just the
research I was able to put together. Yeah, it sounds funny. Anyway,
we get back to your point. I just gonna ask
did he have enough time? Like? My thing is the
timing of it where you had two plus years and
I don't know, maybe they felt like the way the
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season started off, they're like, this is the same thing
we saw the last two years. And I don't want
to give you a chance to save the season by
winning some games down the stretch and making it look
like there's progress when there's not. But that being said,
wouldn't that be the definition of progress? Like if you
could build with a new quarterback again and your team
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to win more games than you did the year before.
Like that's the thing I hate about it is for
a guy who I think was signed to a seven
year deal, which was unprecedented for a college, you know,
first time head coach to get that much money, and
then you really not let him have that much more
time than the average NFL coach that's hired. I just
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I don't know that he had enough time to ultimately
turn this team around. I think that way they need to.
I think it was a smart move, And honestly, I
think you're a hundred percent spot on. They killed two
birds with one stone here, so to speak. You're you're
putting Matt Rule in a position nobody's gonna hold Matt
Rule accountable at the college ranks and be like, yeah,
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Matt Rule is a bad coach. He wouldn't be able
to come in and get our boosters excited and get
everybody going the way that he needed to get them
going um out of college, out of really really good
college of fine college. He's been a fine coach at
that level. So I think that that is a great
opportunity for Matt and a new start, and it's a
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great opportunity for as you mentioned Q, for them to
get from underneath what they would have to pay him.
And then the second part of it is, which I
didn't really think about it, but why not be the
first one to the party. Why not it yourself in
a position where you can start courting Sean Payton or
whoever it else that maybe the type of coach you
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feel you could bring in there and change your organization.
If you feel like you can change the trajectory of
your organization with higher like a Sean Payton, then get
started with courting him. Now get started now, like all right,
how do you want to build this team? Like, let's start,
because that's that's not colluding, is it. There's no collusion
in that because there's no there's no connection to right, Yeah,
(22:29):
they can yeah, it doesn't matter at that point, they
can talk to him. They can speak to him freely, like, yeah,
you want to come into the facility and start putting
together a war room with with or who you want
your front office to be a start assembling your because
if you think about it, he can start assembling his
his his coaching staff. I mean, now, I don't know,
(22:52):
maybe that might be tampering if if if the guy
works for a different team, But if you're having just casual,
friendly conversation where I haven't made any decisions yet, but
if I were too que we go are we going
to Nebraska, if we were to have I don't see
that being colluding or tampering. Right. Do you think Matt
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Ryle is gonna bring you on his staff? You know
I've been I've been approached a few times and approached
a few times. I just don't. I can't make that
type of time commitment. I really can't. Just I would love,
I would love to be able to coach at the
college level, just not give the amount of time that
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it like, the recruiting and the just being away. It's
just a way you're way too too long, too much.
It's too much, just like any schools, any recruits. You
just like, when you want to talk to him, just
have him on the show and then we'll just we'll
talk to him on the air. I'm a health of
the recruiter. Yeah, I'll tell you that I have delivered
(23:55):
for many, many years from great results. Can you recruit nice? Cool?
What do you mean I'm I'm a hell of a
recruiter for a college? Oh got you? Got you? I
thought you met for high schools. Yeah. No, you're not
supposed to recruit or use unjust uh unjust uh what
is that called? Um? Well, if you're a private member
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to come to your school. You're not supposed to at
a private school, it's against the law. Are private school,
you can do whatever you want. I mean everybody. It's
like the biggest running joke in California. That's the biggest
running across the country. School recruits, but you're not supposed
to use unjust influences what it's called. Even at private
(24:38):
school like Sarah Yes Sarah, or or Modern Day or Bosco,
you're not allowed. You're not allowed to call it recruiting.
You're not allowed to recruit. So that's the funny thing
is I'm I'm coaching out of public school, and we're undefeated,
and we have a really good team, and and one
of the coaches after the game was like, yeah, yeah,
(25:00):
way to go Transfer Oak. You know our our name
of our school is Charter Oak. So they're like, yeah, wait,
good game, transfer over. I'm like, hold on, Like, didn't
you just get three or four sitouts coming on your team?
By the way, you guys are seven and all right,
we are seven, I mean, not here to be the
bearer of bad news, but two and five against the spread.
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So I just want to point that out again. Not
trying to be negative. They're not trying to be negative here,
but but I just would like to make that clear.
Where are you getting those lines from? I got, I got,
I got places. Don't see IF Book. Don't they make
money off of everybody everything else connected to California sports.
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do it? Man? Alright, So, the the story out of
d C is that the Washington Commando slash football team,
slash team name that we can't say anymore when LaVar
(26:43):
played there, else we'll get thrown off the air. Yeah,
well it's now. It's The Commandos are definitely freeballing right now. Yeah,
freeballing and free falling. Yeah, I mean, however you want
to call it the free they are free hanging whatever
you know they are. Maybe that's not a good reference either. Yeah,
they're not. They're not a very good football team. Scratch death,
(27:06):
take that off. No free hangings. So they're not a
very good football team, and in fact, they are far
behind in a division that's all of a sudden, the
talk of the NFL, the NFC s. You got the
undefeated Eagles, you've got the Cowboys and Giants sitting at
four and one. Everybody's headed in the right direction except
for the Washington Commandos. They're bad football team, and so
they're head coach Ron Rivera spoke yesterday and this is
(27:28):
going to be a fun little exercise of did you
actually hear the entire press conference or did you just
hear what went viral because he was asked by the
media about the difference between them and the other teams
in the division, and it played out like this, why
do you think the teams in the division are father
(27:49):
had at this point? Quarterback? Is that? I mean with
Night like the Cowboys friends is there? They don't have
Dak Prescott this season and still haven't able to They
started with they built around dock and the offense is
built around Dock. Um. They're back up a guy that's
very solid inside of it, inside of what they do. Um.
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And the truth is that this is a quarterback driven
league and if you look at the teams that have
been able to sustain success, they've been able to build
it around a specific quarterback. So so why haven't you
found a specific quarterback? Now? What people ran with was
just the quarterback spot. And oh my, that that's a
(28:33):
a damning thing to say about Carson Wentz and on.
Never mind the fact that he was a little bit
complimentary of Carson Wentz after the fact, as he said here, okay,
but but pump the brakes. It sounds bad. Of course
that's only Juan Rivera, a former player, but he has
a reputation for being a player's coach. And so one
of the two things is that play here. Either Wentz
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is just really disliked and he just got a personality
that it's hard for people to like him. Is that
seemed to be the case in Philly, that seemed to
be the case in India. Now you're in Washington, you've
got a head coach who again by and large with
they never say never, and and and here's the other
part that I'd just say in defensive wins, he's not
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the problem in Washington. How about that. You can talk
about what happened to the end of the last week's game.
He was the only reason they were in that game.
Dude three for almost three in the sixty yards last week,
a couple of touchdowns. Like he he's not the reason.
He's not the reason. Like if you look at what
he's done to keep his team in games this season
in Washington in comparison to other quarterbacks, whether it's Daniel Jones,
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Cooper Rush, he's the one doing all the heavy lifting.
So like he could complain about wins all he wants,
but the reality is their defense hasn't been as good
as what they thought. When Chase Young came the league,
we thought he was gonna be this this big old time,
you know, takeover games type player, and he that draft
pick has not worked out to have the impact they
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thought it was gonna have. That front has not had
the impact they thought it was gonna have. Their pass
coverage is still lacking. The run game is not existing.
They've had some offensive line issues. That's part of it.
But like if you really chalk up and watch throughout
the course of the season, guess what, It's not all
on Wentz. He hasn't played good at times, but other
times he's kept him in the game. So it's just
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it's surprising that you would hear a head coach drive
a bus directly over his starting quarterback at this point. Well,
here's what's for me. This is this is how I
kind of internalize it. Right. I look at this team
and I say, the storyline is already written and it
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it's like the blanks are replaceable. So it's like, okay.
Ever since Daniel Snyder owned this team, the team has struggled.
Outside of the first year that he owned the team.
So it's like, okay, this coach Boom North Turner offensive guru.
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You bring in Ray Rhodes defensive guru, who was a
former head coach, coached a pretty good Eagles team. You know,
they come in, fill in the blanks. They can't win,
lose close games, you know, whatever it may be. Boom
delete quarter quarterback. Oh, by the way, quarterback Brad Johnson.
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Back up Jeff George who ends up being the starter,
Jeff George. What did they do with Brad Johnson? He
goes to Tampa? What is what does Brad Johnson doing?
Tampa win a Super Bowl? Right? Keep going right, you
can keep going. Change the coach, Marty Schottenheimer comes in
as the coach. You have Patrick Ramsey, who's going to
(31:56):
be your quarterback? Draft pick boom, big arm, big big,
big aspirations. Doesn't work out, coach gone, quarterback gone all right.
You bring in Steve Spurrier, You bring in Danny warfol
You bring in Shane Matthews, You bring in the uh
(32:16):
the brother was hassleback. You got these guys, right, Tim
Tim Hasselback. You know they're all gone. No success continues
on like you could keep going Gibbs and and and
and listen, Mark Burnell, they had a measure of success.
We made it to the playoffs. But that was about it,
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right that there has never been a time where you
can sit there and look at the coach, the quarterback,
or this team and say that they have definitively changed
the direction, changed, the culture, changed what they are as
an organization since Dan Snyder's taking it over. That is
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the one constant of the storyline that has blanks that
can be filled in by any coach, any quarterback, any
running back, or any other player that you would like
to fill into those blanks. Is it just so? If
you remember back when Carson Wentz was in Philly and
there was a report that came out that some some
of his teammates denied, but there was anonymous teammates that
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went to the media and said, well, you know, he
doesn't interact with guys, he's not well liked, etcetera, etcetera.
And they all shot it down. Carson Wentz shot it
down at the time. And then you see just how
that all played out in Philadelphia, and then you see
what happened with Jim Ursay in the Indianapolis Colts last
year and then you hear what is it? Like? What
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am I missing with? When it comes to Carson Wentz,
he doesn't seem like a bad guy, but it seems
like everywhere he goes there's questions about him and whether
or not people actually like him. Does he does not
associate well or relate well with teams? Like what is
it about Carson Wentz that it seems like we're having
the same discussion with him where he gets buried by
people that he works with or or that he's playing with.
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Yet you look back on it and go, what wasn't
that bad? I mean, his numbers are better this point
last year in Indianapolis and Matt Ryan's are by far.
Yet the conversation about him was, well, he's got to
go because he's clearly the issue. Aren't his numbers better
than Matt Ryan's this year? Yes? Like that. That's why
I just I'm trying to figure out, like, like, what
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is what is happening here with Carson Wentz? I don't know.
I can only speculating throughout a theory. I feel. I
feel like the way he came into the nfl UM
it built up this idea or this ego that you
know he was. He kind of ascended rapidly to be
one of the top quarterbacks in a very short time span,
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and it probably wasn't warranted. Like the more you dive
into that Eagles team, that Doug Peterson led Eagles team,
the more you go back and go, well, you know,
he played well, but that was a really, really talented roster.
I was a good roster. I mean they went on
to win with even without him, with Nick Foles, they
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went on to win a super Bowl, and peculiarly there
is you know, issues there within that quarterback room. But
I'm sure there was a thought and WinCE his mind
because of how his career started off that he was
superior to you know, and he was the thing that
was making it all run and making it all go.
And it's not too far removed from him now where
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you look at Jailor Hurts, the success the Eagles are
having and yes, granted a new head coach and Nick Sirianni,
but that was what two years ago and once as
long I've been there and now you're watching it going, oh, okay,
maybe it wasn't necessarily once maybe maybe you know, there
weren't you know he wasn't as good as we thought.
And I think the tough thing is is, you know,
now he's bouncing around from team of team, and you're
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trying to play with the new systems, and it's incredibly
difficult to have success when you're running a system that
you haven't had a lot of time with. It just
is I mean, throwing to guys that you haven't had
you know, a lot of chance to play with. Whether
it's the communication with the align, the chemistry with the
guys you're throwing too, it's hard, Like it's hard at
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the most elite level of the NFL to be able
to compete with other guys who have played in systems
for years, who've played with guys for years, and to
have that same type of timing and anticipation and confidence
to even throw certain flows. You don't think Travis Kelsey
and Patrick Mahomes, If you think they couldn't both go
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out there blindfold and probably complete some passes, both of
them blindfold, You're you're nuts. Like they have they have
that sort of chemistry from playing so much together. And
Andy Reid knows exactly what his quarterback canon cannot do,
which I don't know that Patrick Mahomes, you know, it
is probably capable doing a whole lot. I'm not sure
what he can't do. But the point is when you're
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in Wentz's position, now you're just trying to survive. And
I think there's a lot of frustration that probably comes
with the fact of how his career started, where he
was looked at and probably thought to be an m
v P and what a second year the third year
would have ended up being, and then has an injury
and and then his career starts to look a lot different.
Since then he probably sitting back thinking, how would I
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be viewed differently had I stayed healthy what I've won
the m v P, I would have gone on to
win a Super Bowl like Nick Foles did with that team.
There's probably a lot of bitterness, to be honest with you,
because that those are the things that you can't get past,
like you can't control some of the things that happened
to you and how everything plays out. And so now
he's just trying to survive on these different rosters and
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he's put in a position that, again he's not the problem,
but he's taken all the blame, and it takes a
lot of a lot of fixed skin to be able
to deal with that. That's that's brutal. And then the
next year he gets banged up, he goes into a
playoff game. There were even some people when he was
in that playoff game against Seattle, he came out of
the game and he checked himself out because he took
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a hit to the head by Jadevian Clowney. A lot
of people thought was dirty to the back of the head,
And there was even some conversation afterwards about well, teammates
are giving him the side. I like, dude, it's a
playoff game. Why are you taking yourself out after he
had gotten cracked? And it just feels like after they
won that Super Bowl. To Brady's point, with a backup quarterback,
all of the shine was off him for the rest
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of his career. And he's just going to have to
deal with that, and and it's going to be a
crutch or whatever it's going to be in however long
he's gonna keep playing for me. You would assume after
this season that ship has sailed. Nobody else is going
to take a chance on him being a starting quarterback
for their team. And again, let's go back to the
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beginning of the conversation, She said it best. You've never
heard a coach just flat outside quarterback, like why are
we why are you not having a quarterback? You ain't
never heard like that's still your starting quarterback? You just
like if there was that that wasn't even a slowly
You didn't even stick a needle and it didn't even go.
(39:06):
That was like pow, Wait what do it sounds like? Yeah?
That was that like a Draymond Green sucker punch. Yes,
it wasn't a sucker punch, just like Draymond's wasn't. Well,
this one might have been a sucker punch accident. I
don't know, Draymond, was it not a sucker punch? That
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wasn't I don't think really got pushed pushed. Now, I
will say this one is probably more of a sucker punch.
Like imagine if if Carson Wentzon just walked into the
press conference just by action and say hey, hey, coach,
did I leave my playbook in your office? And like, hey,
uh yeah, so coach, what what is the reason why
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you guys are so bad and why you suck quarterback? Like, oh,
I think I know where I left my playbook? I'll
just I'll just excuse myself from this this press conference.
Could you imagine accidentally being car Carson Wentz accidentally walking
into that press conference hearing that answer. Could you imagine
(40:10):
Ron Rivera see it in the face on Carson Wentz
once he said and realized Carson Wentz was in the room. Now,
that's not what happened, I'm certain, But could you imagine
like hearing your coach say, well, why do you guys suck? Uh?
Carson Wentz? So he didn't let me ask you if
if you were to gauge Ron Rivera's like in that moment,
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because he did go on to seation. Okay, so you
think that when he went on to say some kind
things about Carson Wentz, like the person that says I
have black friends, or I listened to the Temptations and
and I have you know, a black person that comes
up to my house right before, right before you start
(40:52):
talking about how much you don't like this about the
same culture, right, It's like, I I really don't like
Oh that's every person that says I've listened to the
Temptations before they to justify what they're about to say,
Just don't say it. Don't say it? So I just so,
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do you think don't do it? Do you think don't
be that person? Do you think when I listened to
the temptations? Do you think when do they When? Do
you think when he comes back afterwards and his complimentary
of him, do you think he realized, Oh, that came
out bad. I gotta I gotta recover. Here is he
didn't have to realize that he knew exactly what he
(41:34):
was doing when he put that one out, because don't
nobody do it? Wait? You know what the best part is,
play play that again? Because after he says quarterback, the
person in the media, I don't know who asked somebody
was back there like they had no idea where to
go because they were stunned that he that he made
this answer say this again? Why do you think the
teams in the division her father had at this point? Quarterback?
(42:00):
Is that? I mean? Is that? Wait? What is that?
Is that? What you said? It was like they didn't
even finish the sentence. You're really just gonna You're really
just gonna put him it on one guy. I'm just
gonna put it on one guy. Just got here. Just
Toro for almost three hundred and sixty yards. Is that
(42:23):
that's the guy you're gonna pay? Not okay, just just
making sure that was like he was always like he
was under like he was like you had to give
a testimony and then to lie is to be purse.
You're purjurizing yourself. You was, you're committing perjury. Like, who
is the reason? Coach? You know what? It was like?
(42:46):
It was the court. It was heppy. Did you see
that point them out in the courtroom? Did you guys
see the viral video where some guy went around on
the street and he was asking couples. He said, hey,
if you could sleep with one person from your past,
who would it be or another person? And the woman
in front of her boyfriend said my ex. And the
boyfriends like, wait what, no idea? Wait who him? You
(43:08):
just dated him? Like they had no idea where to
go when when Ron Rivera went that direction with Carson Wentz,
so we the good news is they've got to come
back and play on Thursday night. Carson Wentz is the
starter's so so there's that on a short week. I mean,
sometimes negative reinforcement is pros I guess Fox Sports Radio
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