November 24, 2023 • 49 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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on a Black Friday. We've got one NFL game, bunch
of college games. More importantly, though, Jeff, how was Thanksgiving? Man?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Was it good?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
It was good? You know, I had to reload a
parlay after the first, the first NFL game of the day,
I think, like most of the country had to reload
a parlay. No sorry, I had as a teaser leg.
I had a teaser leg. I had to be reloaded.
And you know, it was good. Thanksgiving. You know, lots
of football obviously, and I think we have a lot
(01:03):
of uh, sort of answers on where the NFL is
after even just three games yesterday, which is always important
to have. And today is what possibly could be the
final Civil War in the history of Oregon Oregon State,
which is wild. I think this is the fine, Brian.
This is the final weekend of Pack twelve football.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I mean, there's obviously Changion game next weekend, but like,
this is it, Like this is a conference started in
nineteen fifteen, it's playing its final weekend of college football,
and it starts today with a game. I mean, the
Civil War thing has been played since. Like it's it's
one of those rivalries that I don't think people realize
has been played as long as it has. I think
it's it's up there as far as one of the
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longest running rivalries in college football. I'm pretty sure it
started in the eighteen hundreds. Let me make sure to
put it. I mean it started in eighteen ninety four. Wow.
So they play a lot of football game together. You know,
sixty seven, forty nine and ten an all time series
for Oregons. So there's you know, it's been played a
(02:07):
long long time and it ends presuming not presumably, but
it ends today without any sort of adjustment to schedules
next year. It's pretty crazy, man.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
You know what tells you how long it's been played?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
The ten, like there are no ties anymore, right, so
there are ten ties in the all time series.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Well, it's been around for a long time.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
The most famous one was the nineteen eighty three Toilet Bowl.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It was zero to zero, oh god.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Eleven turnovers. It was played, you know, if you saw
the game last weekend went to Organstine and Washington in
the rain. It was played in that weather. Eleven fumbles
sorry exeature eleven and fumbles, six for turnovers, five interceptions
for miss field goals. Oregon also scored twice but got
called back on penalties, but ended zero to zero.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I'm sure a young maybe teenager crack told his dad
to take the under, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
It was about it would not surprise me.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Bill Krakenberger are sports handicapper. You know he's probably on
the under in that game.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Uh yeah, I mean it's I would imagine he is.
And uh, it's uh, you know, it's it's uh, it's
a bummer.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
It is.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
It is because it's been such a good season for
the Pac twelve also, and uh, it's it's crazy to
see it go. But like you're saying, Oregon State against Oregon,
that's at eight thirty Eastern time, tonight, and that's that's
that's the last installment, like you said, most likely unless
they're like, hey, you know, it's twenty forty seven for
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old time sake, let's tee it up.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
That's Look, man, I I think that some of the
change is going to be fun and fresh and interesting
and who's not gonna want to see the Ducks go
up against Ohio State or Michigan. There's going to be
some good. But some of these people like it doesn't
have to be one or the other. It doesn't have
to be all bad with re alignment. It doesn't have
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to be all good. It's a blend. It's a mixture
of both.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Well, I'm glad you mentioned that, because here's the way
I sort of look at a conference. Re alignment. Obviously,
for those who are unaware, and I don't know why
you've never heard me before, good morning, have a good
thing is getting come.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I do pass region.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I do pack to a radio, have done it for
for five years now. I grew up in Los Angeles.
My parents are used to like alums. I went to Oregon,
so I'm I'm very you know, invested in West Coast
football and and you know, college football is is is
unique in that you know's see how popular it is.
It's the second most popular sport in the country. But
there's two ways to view college football. There's the regional way,
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which is obviously sort of part of my job, right
and sort of my childhood. And then there's a national way.
And I also cover you know, college sports nationally right
for Fox Sports and when we do this show and whatnot,
So I have both those lenses. Regionally, conference re alignment stinks,
right because you know all these matchups, all this like
Scartish organ to Arizona State last weekend, and my Ducks
(05:04):
like have this terrible history of playing in the desert November,
like we've lost so many games as big favorites in
that state. I played twice there in November, and I
left in Arizona, not Arizona State, but just in the
desert alone, and Brian I left both games with not
a starting quarterback. Like it just it's one of those places.
It's just like it's hard to play in the desert
(05:26):
in November. And you know, Oregon struggles with Stanford and
we're always good against this school, and so you lose
all of that scar tissue and all that shared history
in tradition when you go to the Big Ten, right,
but nationally, as you mentioned, we get much better football games.
Instead of Oregon Cal, it's now Oregon Penn State where
(05:47):
Oregon Wisconsin. And but you know again, I have to
like relearn like who's going to be our Stanford? Who's
going to be We go to Stanford every year like
in early October and have a stinker. Who is actually
Purdue now? Exactly? Is Iowa the new Arizona for us?
And you have to relearn all these You have to
(06:08):
relearn all these sort of rivalries and scar tissues and whatnot.
So that's the part to me that you know, I
not that I'm being stubborn, old headed about I mean,
I'll learn it, of course, but I kind of liked
what I already knew about college football and the rivalries
already knew about. So you know, again things things are changing.
I've accepted it. Obviously. I'm a little bun because I
(06:29):
gamble on the Pac twelve and I'm really good at it.
Now I've got to either learn the Big ten or
just kind of sort of stop giving out public picks. Nonetheless,
here's where we are. The last rivaly weekend in the
Pac twelve. But look, there's the last rubber weekend and
you know SEC IS, you know they're they're changing their conference,
you know, alignment next year. So you know, a lot
of a lot of rivalries just might not continue in
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the same way moving forward.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I think that's what's hard to wrap your mind around,
is how different it is than the NFL. For instance,
think about the three games yesterday. Imagine if it's a
great rivalry between the Seahawks and the forty nine ers.
Imagine if they were like, yeah, that's the last time
we might play each other, maybe twenty years from now,
just for the heck of it, but that's pretty much
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the last time we're gonna play due to realignment.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It would blow your mind, you.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Know, Like, can you imagine if the Commanders and the
Cowboys they just didn't play again for two more decades
like college football will do.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
It'd be pretty crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
But hey man, that's just where we're at in college football.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Brian, I've said this for a long time and I
really do believe it. And when we talk about these
sports I talk about differently, they are two different sports.
I know people try to say, oh, it's a football.
They're not the same thing, man, even the football is
not the same. Like we would never I don't think
we ever say college Basle and NBA are the same.
I've never heard anyone say that before. Right, it comes
to football, you know, it's just say no, they're different.
(07:53):
The football is different, the field markings are different, right,
Like the schedule is different, the playoffs is. It's all different.
It's a completely different sport. And they're both NFL and
college fooball are both great in their own ways. I
prefer if you're asking me, like I'd rather much other
watch the NFL. I feel like college football is just
a different my team I root for obviously, but it's
a different vibe when you watch college football. But they're
(08:16):
not the same thing. And just treat them. And you
have to say, when you talk about the sports or
watch consumers, there's different sports. You understand you're consuming a
different sport when you watch college football or the NFL.
So I think people sometimes kind of love them together
and then they're not the same thing.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, we've got a lot of time to look back
at what happened yesterday and look forward to today in
the weekend and all that stuff. But of the three
NFL games, so we had the Packers pull a minor
shocker against the Lions and win the game. Like you said,
some people are reloading the teasers or the parlays to
(08:55):
the first NFL game of the day. Then you had
the Cowboys just destroy Washington forty five to ten. You
had the forty nine Ers look pretty dominant against the Seahawks.
I know, the Seahawks made a little push to begin
the second half and the Niners were like, okay, pipe
down Seattle and they won with ease by eighteen points.
(09:16):
Of those three games, which which game, not just yesterday
but going forward right when we're starting to look at
the playoff picture and everything, which game do you think
was the most significant?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Probably Seattle and forty nine Ers, because the Niners are
gonna win the NFC West now, and there was you know,
there was a one game difference between those two, those
two scols, and then they play again fairly soon too.
There's one. Now it's two games, and I think there's
a real chance Seattle is not a playoff team. Yeah,
And that's what it showed the last six games for Seattle.
(09:52):
Off the top of my head, because I've waged on
some of them and pay attention. They have just played
sort of average football, right. They went to the Bengals
six weeks ago, and you know, they put a terrible
red zone game and lost, came home. But the Cardinals
barely cover the Cardinals, you know, they barely beat the Commanders,
and the Browns need to they need a big come
back to beat the Browns, like they just you know,
(10:13):
Rams beat them last week. They're just okay, right, but
you look at the at their schedule the next couple
of weeks, it's it's it's teams they're not going to
be favored against, and there's not a lot of margin
for area. Now, the NFC is much easier than the
AFC as far as sort of where there, you know,
the seventh place team, the record on that can be
eight to nine. Probably to get in nine to eight
(10:35):
probably surely gets you in the NFC. So they might
still make it as a seventh seed, but like, they're
not a legitimate sort of contender to do much of
anything I think in uh, you know, in in this uh,
in the playoffs at all, they kind of That was
my takeaway from that game, and it's I think I
think yesterday. My overall sort of vibe and takeaway is
(10:58):
that we sort of the NFC stort of separate itself yesterday.
We know Tier one and Tier two and the Tier
two teams are Cowboys and Lions, Like, can those teams beat?
Can those teams beat you know, what's the way to
put it. Can those teams beat the Eagles and Niners?
Probably not?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, That's the thing to me is you look at
the Lions and look, man, it's a long season. They
lost a nationally televised standalone game against the Packers yesterday.
It was embarrassing and there might be a knee jerk
reaction to sort of write them off. I'm not doing that,
but it was a significant day because they get leapfrogged
(11:38):
by the Niners. The Niners are now the two seed
in the NFC. The Lions fall down. You look at
the defense. So these are the last but these are
four of the last five games. What they've given up
points wise, they give up thirty eight on the road
against the Ravens, they give up thirty eight on the
road against the Chargers, then they give up twenty six
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to the Bears and twenty nine yesterday.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
To the Packers. That's not all defense.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I mean sometimes there are some there are some defensive scores, right,
Like Jared Goff was a turnover machine yesterday turned it
over three times, three.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Times for two weeks.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So that's the thing with the Lions is as they're
starting to fall in the seating standings, if you will,
right for the playoffs, rolling around, and they've gotten destroyed
defensively the last two road games, how good are you
feeling about the Lions' chances to do major damage come
playoff time on the road if they're playing a game
(12:38):
or two of significance on the road, I don't feel
great at all. You've got a defense that's getting shredded,
and you've got Jared Goff who's a turnover machine.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
That is not a good combination at all.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Yeah. I think I think you're again you're sort of
separating the nine Ers and Eagles away from the Lions
and Cowboys in my opinion. And look, here's here's the
thing is you have a situation where you have, you know,
you're led by Jared Goff. As much as Jared Goff
has improved since the sort of his time at the
end with the Rams there, it's still Jared Goff and
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you're just not gonna win anything important with him at
this you know, at this point of his career. That's
not really not a knock on him, it's just where
he is in his career. He's sort of showed them
the last couple of weeks like you're just it's just
he's just not a guy that is going to get
you three playoff ways to get to the super Bowl. Yeah. Right,
it's just not gonna hapen. Especially when you're playing the
Eagles and you're playing the forty nine ers, presumably it's
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just not gonna happen. And that's okay, it's I mean,
it's what the why the lines trying to draft a quarterback?
I Hateen Hooker, but but after to address that position
in my opinion in the off season. Obviously, defense still
a big problem for them, as you mentioned, their defensive
numbers have been bad the last month or so. But
I think it's just Goff's not not good enough to
get you to that place. Dan Campll's done a great job,
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but he deserves credit for what he's done this year.
He might win Coach of the Year. Still know how
it ends and he's definitely built this organization up to
be a winner, which has been a long struggle for
the Lions, and he deserves credit and praise for that.
But but Brian that if the idea is like the
Lions are competitive in the NFC, that they're not going
to be just not And it's okay, it's but you
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really see when the Chiefs struggle, we can say, well,
they've shown this before, They've won two super Bowls the
last four years. Like that, that's that's they can benefit
of the doubt. When the Lions struggle last two weeks,
as they're sending to the top of the mountain, that
becomes concerned, right because we haven't seen them correct this yet.
They haven't been in this spot before, and so I
think there is certainly worry about the defense and then
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the turnovers with Gough.
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So Jeff. Yesterday it was a record setting performance from
Deron Bland. He is a second year cornerback for the Cowboys.
He recorded his fifth pick six of the season, an
interception for a touchdown. He's got five of them so far.
We're through week twelve at least for the Cowboys. This
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was how his fifth one and most recent ones sounded
yesterday against the Commanders on CBS.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Is this is history, but you can take it the distange.
This will be the return.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
To the fifth time as.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
A pick six. It's never been the history in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
I want to call on you.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
You got me with des Combe stands. That was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Right there you go, man, That's how it sounded. Against
Sam Howell. There fifth interception for a touchdown by Dern
Bland and Jeff This has been huge for the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Obviously.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Trayvon Diggs goes down, who's their stud cornerback and in
walks in Deron Bland, a fifth round pick out of
Fresno State last year. You know, this is like shades
of Richard Sherman at least being a fifth round corner.
And I know it's early, but maybe Riek Woolan with
the Seahawks think about the more recent version he was
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a fifth rounder as well. But Deron Bland is he's
been a huge difference maker for the Cowboys here.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah, it does feel like interceptions fumble sometimes as a
tad bit of luck right now with pick sixes, obviously
the get the interception the first place takes a lot
of skill being able to score. I feel like is
again that five interceptions alone itself will be a very
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good season so far, right, Yeah, and you obviously the
touchdown part of it makes it incredible. So that part
to me is like fun to talk about the interception.
You know, the returns are fun, but like that's not
to me. The important part is other than he's just
getting the five interceptions right? Are my wrong on like that?
The part to me is random more than the interception,
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which takes the skill.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah, I hear you on that.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
It's just when you can say something that's never been
gone before in the history of the NFL, it's like, wow.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Really diminishing what he's done. I'm just saying that, like,
it would be impressive if he didn't even score the touchdowns,
right because the five receptions would you especially filling in
for digs and whatnot. So I've been I've been impressed. Man.
The Cowboys need that right now. Some of these have
happened in blowouts. But what happens if he doesn't get
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a pick six? Does that change what the defense becomes
in the playoffs? And they're relying too much on this.
I would say again that the Cowboys are the best
front runners of the NFL, even better than your than
your Dolphins, dude. When when they are when they are
leading in a game, they are unstoppable. Man, they just
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they've but that's Arizona. They have one and covered every
single big spread this season.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
It's incredible, it is It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
And that's one of the things, man, where if we
bring the gambling aspect into this. I don't know how
you feel about it, Jeff, but we've been watching the
NFL for so long. The NFL reminds you, hey, it's
not that easy. Look at the Lions yesterday. You know,
the Lions are over a touchdown favorite and the Packers
tap you on the shoulder and do the de kembe
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like that? No, no, no, it's not that easy. And
that's how I feel with the Cowboys. When they're going
up against these teams that they're better than they you'll
still get upset. It'll still at least be a close game,
and the favorite doesn't cover the spread. I've been waiting
for that for the Cowboys to happen for weeks now
against lesser opponents, and it hasn't happened. They have boat
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raced these teams that they're better than, and that's a
credit to them. But you still like the Dolphins, you
got to see what they have against.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
The big boys. That's what it ultimately comes down to.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Vieah yesterday it was great too.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
It was he did a great job with that.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Had a little gravel in his voice, almost like he
sound he listens to metal over there, you know, oh boy,
oh no, no.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
We don't want that, Dolly pardon halftime and what a day. Yeah, performances,
it was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, not the greatest reaction in the Lions game to
the halftime performance.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
No, no, my wife did say, oh, that's what Jack
Harler looks like.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, yeah, that was not highly thought of with Jack Harlow.
I was with family, like the volume wasn't at full blast.
Do you believe my sister doesn't even follow sports, Jeff,
I don't know how we're related. I don't get that.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I don't know how that's possible. Like, I like, you know,
there are people that don't watch Super Bowl, and I
like one of our nanny friends, she's my age thirty five,
and like she doesn't watch sports and she really doesn't
watch super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Wow, that's yeah, that's another level right there. I mean,
that's a piece of Americana.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Like what do you deal with your Sundays? I don't
know what, you know?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Is it chores?
Speaker 4 (23:04):
You know? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Watched I binge Netflix?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Netflix? Yeah, I knit.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
While watching Netflix. I nitflex Netflix.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
No, I'm just saying like she just doesn't watch sports.
It's just yeah, Wow, people are my wife doesn't watch sports.
I guess.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Now, I had the tablet going all day long. Yeah,
I was just hanging out with family and didn't have
the volume on. I'm watching you know, uh, the halftime
show with Jack Harlow and then X slash Twitter whatever
you call it, went in on this guy. They're just
like this, no thumbs down, no thank you.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
My wife is I can I can talk about football
without watching it? Quite? It's quite like, I'm like, can
you can you do nursing without without practicing Nursing's said
the most insane thing of all time.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
I'm a parent, but I don't practice parenting.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Yeah, It's like it's like, hun, I have to watch
fotball to talk about football, right, doesn't It doesn't compete
with her?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
No, It's like, but then you really, So we go
from a record setting performance from Deron Bland fifth pick
six of the season, it's probably not gonna be a
record setting performance for Jets quarterback Tim Boyle today. Jeff
I don't think that he's gonna carve up the Dolphins
to the tune of it being a record setting performance.
But nevertheless, he gets the start against the Dolphins in
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the first ever Black Friday game. Is this going to
be a disaster for Tim Boyle in the Jets? Is
that what you're anticipating here?
Speaker 4 (24:34):
I am. So here's the thing about this game. It's
Tim Boyle is obviously he wasn't a good college quarterback, right,
so I don't even know why he would be going
the NFL. But when I heard Nate Hackett or someone
on the Jets say from the long lines of like,
well he's he knows Nicknate Hackett's offense, well like, well,
that's that's not good, Like that's that's the first sign
(24:54):
of not know having those Neate Hackett has been a
terrible offensive in his career. He somehow gets credit for,
like being on the Packer staff when Aaron Rodgers won
win Mvpiece, he didn't call plays. Every time he's been
in charge of an offense, he has stunk at being
in charge of an offense. So the idea that because
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Tim ball knows the offense, they're fortun to be better
this week, to me is a fallacy. It's not a reality.
It's also worth pointing out since Jyalen Ramsey has been
back for the Dolphins three weeks now, defense much better
seventeen points, fourteen points, thirteen points, So you have a
better Dolphins defense with Ramsey and Vic Fangail. Obviously, is
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DC sort of figuring it out with the options he
has on his defense against a Jets team without some
offensive line might do it, though. I do believe Dwayne
Brown might be back this week for the game today
with Tim Boyle as their quarterback, Like, come on, what
are we doing here? What are we doing? I have
the under in this game tonight as one of my
favorite wagers of the week. The Dolphins have shown a
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little bit. It's a little tougher for them to move
the ball against defenses like the Jets, and the Jets
have Tim Boiler quarterback, so I think there's just not
a lot of points in this game.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah no, man, that's a schwartzism right there.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
You know, what are we doing here? What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I love that, man, It's a signature phrase from you,
and it certainly applies to Tim Boyle being the starting
quarterback for the Jets today. That might be what Fireman
d is saying instead of leading the j E t
s Jets, Jets Jets chant, it might be like what
are we doing?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
That might be a few things.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Look, I know that teams don't plan under their quarterback
missing time. And if you are without Aaron Rodgers for
a season, you're you're not going to be a playoff team.
That's just what it is. Right. However, the Jets rightfully
deserve to be criticized for their inability to have a
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backup plan because the Chiefs have had a backup quarterback
play in two playoff games on two Super Bowl runs.
Remember Mahomes got cuts against the Browns. Yeah, and and
chan Henny had that long touchdown ecive me the long
run on third down to clinch the game for them.
Last year, Mahomes of Hurrgans Jacksonville ched handel in a
(27:21):
ninety seven yard touchdown drive. Yeah, ched, Hanny's not going
to win you super Bowl. It's not going to lose
your Super Bowl probably right, Like you know, Nick Foles
won you know one, and that was Nick Foles bit
playing out of his mind. But still, and you have
to have some sort of option to to and the
Jets just went down with Zach Wilson.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, I know it.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
It's that this is this is the low point for
Zach Wilson. Man is getting replaced by Tim Boyle, who
threw more interceptions than touchdowns in college. I think about that,
that's an NFL qorderback that threw more interceptions than touchdowns
in college. And I get some enjoyment out of the
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updates of Hey, hey, Aaron Rodgers, he's nearing a return,
and it's like, bro, what is their record going to
be like when he's maybe ready to go? And your
reaction to that is hysterical to me. It's again, it's
the what are we doing, guys, he's not coming back
type thing. I don't think the record's going to be
good enough for him to say, Okay, I'm back the
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same year.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Yeah, I'm not a doctor. I've got a lot of injuries.
I pay attention to, you know, injuries and sort of
the process of rehab. So he currently wrong. I think
Aaron Rodgers got hurt in September, right, So again I
make sure political scign is not math. But September, October, November,
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that's that's twelve weeks essentially, right. Week fifteen puts him
in the middle. So let's say that's fourteen weeks give
or take, right, because when he had surgery, it was,
you know, mid September but let's just say fourteen weeks.
The quickest anyone's come back to play football on that
Speedbridge Achilles surgery was six months. It was cam Akers
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and he wasn't very good when he came back. So
a forty year old quarterback is going to come back
in fourteen weeks from a surgery that no one's come
back from in six months. In six like, it's just
it's Aaron Rodgers wanting attention. It's Aaron Rodgers needing a
spotlight at all times, everyone to talk about him each
and every week. It's needing the validation that he is
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getting the love from the media, the hope and the
hype and oh he's our savior. He's coming back soon, guys,
the Jets can be thirteen and three. He's not seen
the football field.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah, he.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Is not ready to play football. Yeah, this difference between
working out and playing football. Is he ready to escape
the pocket if pressure was coming down on him? Is
he ready to move in the way he has to
move to avoid people falling on him? Right, and like
craving his leg again?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Is he able to just take a hand off and
roll out and get on the move and throw a
bootleg the inswest to that is all no, and so
he's not coming back. No. Jets won't be good enough either,
so that also play into his favor. But they're not
having a viable option. And Zach Wilson not only got
benched his third stream this week.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
He probably won't even see his jersey, right, they'll probably dress.
You just dressed two quarterbacks in this game. Yeah, Zach
Wilson's It is interesting because it's becoming increasingly easy to
understand that that that COVID year in college football was
just in aberration. It didn't nothing that happened that year
(30:51):
carried over like Zach Wilson was incredible in twenty twenty.
No fans in the stands played a weird schedule twenty twenty.
By the way, Oklahoma, look, he really had a good
defense in twenty twenty. None of the stuff Hills holds
up right. And Zach Wilson had bust potential all over it.
One sort of decent year at BYU, had tons of
(31:15):
time and protection, he had that offensive line that year.
Did he did get touched all season? Yeah, And it
just very clearly was like he's just not going to
be that guy. And It's not his fault. He was
drafted second overall. He didn't ask for that to have.
If he draft in the third round, you'll be like, okay, cool,
like you know, he's a career backup whatever. But he
drafted the second overall like that, It's not it's a
(31:37):
burden he has to live with because of his draft slot.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Well, and that's the thing too, is I hear you on,
Aaron Rodgers, let's play this game real fast, because I
would compare it a bit and hear me out to
Kevin Durant. Remember when Durant was with the Warriors and
it's the NBA Finals against the Raptors, and Durant hadn't
been playing, he had been nursing a calf injury. And
now it's game five if the Warriors are facing elimination
(32:03):
and KD gives it a go and unfortunately, yeah, the
achilles went. Now what's different with Aaron Rodgers is he
did have an achilles injury right like he had. He
tore his achilles and he's had surgery and now he's
fighting back. In all of that, the comparison I'm making
is Game five of the NBA Finals compared to what's
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the Jets record when Rogers might be in a window
where he's not fully ready, but he could get on
the field, he could push it. Think about this, they
play the Dolphins two of the next four games. Let's
say they lose out. I'm not expecting the Jets to
win today. Let's say that happens. Let's say they lose
in Miami. Then they have the Falcons and Texans sandwiched
(32:50):
in between. Let's say they split those games, they would
be five to nine. Jeff, Like, do you think that
signals a return for Rogers at that point? No?
Speaker 4 (33:00):
No, it doesn't. Yeah, you know, even like I'm just like,
next year, I mean, is Rogers at his age going
to be as effective as we think he is in
this Jets offense next season? Because in the AFC, everyone
has to be compared to you know, can you beat
the Chiefs? Like right now, the Chiefs are having their
(33:21):
worst offensive year and are still the favorites to win
the AFC. Like they just catch the football. They be
nine to one right now. It's still so you know,
can you know, can can the Jets with the roster
they have built and by the way, defense typically does
(33:41):
not hold year to year. Now there are situations like
the Ravens for so many years and Steelers that have
been good each year, but like it's hard to rely
sometimes on defense being your calling cards. Like the Jets
really good defense this season, but it's hard to just
it's just hard every year. Offense is very sustainable, right
because quarterback, but its quarterback coach. So is there a
(34:03):
guarantee that, like you know, the j just Devens will
be as good next season? So I just don't know
if the Jets will ever get there With Rogers.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
They might not.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Coming up next on Two Bros and a Cup of
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the name Nathaniel Hackett. Jeff, I have a special treat
for you. There is a player in the NFL who
listed him as the coach, the head coach he would
most want to play for.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Okay, was it someone on the Chiefs because he was
rooting against the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Maybe that's the case, but we'll give you a little
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should be. Man, Jeff, we got a lot of college
ball today. We've got the NFL game, the Jets hosting
the Dolphins, but a lot of college football today. This
isn't just a yeah, we'll give you a game like
last night with the egg ball, right.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
We had all to got schmorgasboard full Schmorgasport of college
football love.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah, see you go h with Schmorgasport. I go Smorgasbord.
I think it's a tomato tomato thing. I'm not correcting you,
it's just you know, I like.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
What go Smorgasort. How do you go?
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I go Smorgasport. I think it's I've.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Never seen it spelled before. I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
I think it's spelled s M, but a lot of
people go with the H, which I think is fine.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
It's just a preference type thing.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Interesting. Yeah, I don't know. I forgot. Today's Black Friday,
and it's a day we're I'm just gonna spend money
for no reason because it's some stuff's on sale, Like
I just like, I don't actually need that, but it's
it's twenty percent off. It's a deal, dumb a Soliday.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
What do you think you might you might buy today?
You're watching college football and all.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
I have more radio this afternoon, so that's probably what
I'll give.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
A little piece of double dipping today.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
I got my Pat twelve show, buddy, it's you know,
it's a PAC twelve game day. We got we got
a game tonight the Pat. Well, yeah, we got Oklahoma
TCU at noon on Fox, and then we have the
Monster ioway to Brassla contest twenty twenty four and a
half points.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Is that what it's down to now?
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yeah, I think that's what I'm gonna check. I'm gonna
check the wager talk. I think it's it's it says
a twenty four and a half on on on Fox Sports.
For the thing, let's see what the twenty four and
a half guys is like the lowest total by five
points I think in history. And I mean people are
(38:10):
let's see here, yeah, I see twenty four, twenty five,
twenty four and a half's I mean, how do you
not like tease? God, even just a regular teas And
I know collegortaball teachers aren't really a thing, but wow, wow,
that's wild.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
That's the thing to me is like Nebraska going up
against Iowa's defense.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
It's possible Nebraska scores three points, maybe six, I don't
think it's outside the realm of possibility. They get shut
out right, like, and how many points is Iowa gonna score?
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Easy? Thing? Iowa has nothing to play for in this game.
Nebraska's playing for bull birth.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
That's true. At homes, Nebraska's at home.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Yeah. This is the thing about what makes this weekend
very interesting in college football is the there's a lot
in collegtables different the NFL, where you you think you
absolutely wager on emotion in college football, right, I'm sure
that you do as well. And there's a lot of
spots where your emotion plays a factor in sort of
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the games. Right, So for example, the first game TC Oklahoma. Now,
I don't think you blindly bet on teams to cover
games that need to win to go to make a
ball it's probably but TC you again, five and six
Oklahoma not into Oklahoma, I believe is out of the
Big twelve. There's like a weird big tom as a
weird tie breaker system. Yeah, but yeah so, but they
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still have to obviously play it to get into But
they might be without Jackson, without Dan Gabriel today, and
I have Jackson Arnold playing for them much in Nebraska, right,
five and six Matt Rowlands first year, I'm sure we
love nothing more than to you know, to get to
get himself, you know, h a bull board, especially with
the way they started. So there's just a lot of
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things in college football that you wager on besides the exit,
O's a lot of it does come to the emotion
of the game.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Man, I'm just looking at Iowa. Here we are breaking
down Iowa Nebraska. I love this what well? I no, no, no, no, no,
there's more so Rutgers. They played Rutgers a couple of
weeks ago, they shut them out. Iowa pitched a shutout
against Rutgers. They gave up seven to Northwestern six to Wisconsin.
Here's a bet for you, Jeff, I just saw this
(40:32):
on bet MGM. Both teams to score ten or more points.
Oh under a yeah, no, it is minus one forty five.
There's a little bit of juice, little tax. But you
gotta go no on that, right, both teams scored ten
or more.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
No thing, so ten ten.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
If you scored ten, you're at a push or you
win the win the bet.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
It would be a push.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
No, no, no, you would right. If you say yes,
you would win. If both teams score ten, you would win.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
If you say no, say no, no one can get
one team cannot get to double digits.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Okay, all right, interesting.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
I say no, I say no. There's one that doesn't.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
I mean you can get I'm looking at alternate alternate
numbers here. It's incredible that don't.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Might here's one for you. This is great.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Both teams score twenty or more. No is minus three thousand.
You'd have to risk three thousand dollars to win one
hundred dollars. That's how much of a long shot it
is that both teams would crack twenty points apiece.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
I mean, geez, under eleven and a half is plus
five point fifty. Wow.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Oh man, really you know what.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
I would I would be okay doing it. Here we
go under thirteen and a half, so the game is
ten to three, okay plus four hundred Wow, I'm might
do it. Might you know, I'm gonna do a tony.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
I'm gonna just sprinkle on that, gonna do a little bet.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
Yeah, peanut bet so cracks.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Peanut bet is five hundred dollars. What's a peanut bet
to you?
Speaker 4 (42:13):
The twenty bucks? Twenty bucks like like like like that
thirteen point teaser you know.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Uh huh yeah yeah yeah, for fun? I mean, what
else do we have going on today? We've got uh?
Speaker 4 (42:24):
I mean, I mean I have organ sted organ tonight.
I haven't put a wager on that game officially yet.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Debating what to do.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Or not, well, that's the big one. That's definitely the
game of the Texas Texas.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Tech is important tonight too because if Texas loses, you know,
they're they're out of the playoff hunt. Yeah, and Texas
Tech has played better football, won three straight games. They're
kind of you kind of evening out after you know,
it's a quarterback injuries early in this season, and you know,
for me, you know it's a I kind of need
Texas Tech to win for organ because they played him
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earlier this season. That would be a big win for
you know, strength to schedule, and then also knock Texas
out of contention for a playoff spot, which would be nice.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
I think the games today it's a little bit like
a Thanksgiving meal where I don't get too picky and choosy.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
I'm just like it's a party. It's I'm just.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Throwing everything on my plate. I'll take a bit of everything,
you know what I mean. Yeah, that's how I feel
with the college slate today. Like I said, one ranked
versus ranked. There are thirteen games in FBS, right, thirteen games,
and there's one game featuring two ranked teams. So you
get some higher point spreads, get a couple of games
where you're like, it's not the sexiest matchup right there.
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I don't know if you're racing out to see Memphis
in Temple, you know, but I think whatever comes my
way here, I'm cool with it.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
I will tell you what though, Temple plus the points
might be a fun wager to beate today.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Temple plus thirteen is what you're thinking.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
Yeah, well, Memphis is eight and three, they have nothing
to play for, they're out of the AAC Champion Chip Game,
and they're going to I imagine Philly is not the
warmest of places today. It feels a.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Dead spot from Memphis could be. I mean, you might
be right.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
You see, like Boston College dead spot for Miami in
my opinion, like these are. This is what I'm talking
about with college fooball, So let me throw it. Let
me throw out the Oregon State organ thought I had
okay about so obviously I went play to oregonfo You know,
both schools, both rogons very well. So Oregon State entering
the Washington did you have an opinion on who to
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win the Washington Oregon State game?
Speaker 3 (44:34):
I thought it would be Washington. Honestly, same, I bet Washing,
I bet Washington.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
So we're on the same page. They're perfect. Oregon State
was seventeen and one over the last three years at
home during that game. Okay, they had lost to USC
last year, that was it. Now they were down thirty
one ten or thirty one thirteen Oregon last year and
had that, you know, the big comeback right which you know,
life happens. It's unfortunately lost for Wargon, but they won.
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They're seventeen and one. Two years ago they began the
construction process to modernize one side of their stadium. The
other one had been done. The other one was like
a high school stadium side. So last year they played
in front of no fans on that side, so there
was like thirty thousand fans. And this year they get
their first full season, you know, in the new stadium.
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Again great they had been at the time, was a
ranked Utah team at home at the time, was a
ranked UCLA team at home, and they had done just
a good job at home. Their home road splits. Brian
are like, this is it's it's wild their home road splits.
And I did this. I'm gonna pull up for you
right now. That let you know, because it's all gonna
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play until like the emotional part of the game tonight.
Why I think you wager on this? So they again
the last two years, the last two seasons there again
one loss home. This season, you're ready home road splits.
Entering the Washington game at home, average margin of victory
forty to twelve point eight, forty to twelve point eight
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at home on the road thirty five to twenty eight.
It's a pretty big disparity on defense, right, Yeah, sure
last season thirty six to seventeen and twenty six to
twenty eight. So my point is they were building up
this Washington game. The schedule worked out to where they
were playing Washington Oregon end the season like boom boom,
they lose. They lose this game to Washington. They don't
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Washington scores no points second half and they still lose
the game. And I think heading into the Oregon game
on a short week off, a physical game, coaching rumors
about their coach going to Michigan State, this feels like
a dead spoff Oregon State.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Man.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
Yeah, that's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Man.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
Everything everything they wanted this year destroyed last weekend by
by not winning that game.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
And they were right there, they were right there.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
Washington not scoring the second half.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Yeah, it's tough. It's tough to come back. Like we
always talk about the the emotional letdown off a win,
I mean, we don't talk as often about the emotional
letdown off a crushing loss like that. And that's what
happened with the Beaves last week. They were right there,
like the weather. They're playing smash mouth football. It's a
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lower scoring game, you know, and then Michael Pennix Junior
and Washington just hang on for dear life. That's just
such a crushing loss. It's tough to get up a
second straight week against Oregon. That's a tough test for
Oregon State.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
Man. It's also it's also hard because you know, again
like the physicality of Oregon and having to meet that
week after you play a physical game with Washington. A
lot of teams don't have that depth. That's why it
becomes a struggle for you know, teams to play in
these conferences that don't have the depth, and right now
(47:58):
they don't have don't have a depth the organized So
I'm curious. I'm curious how this uh, you know, how
this one goes tonight. I think Organ handles it. But
you know, I'm an Organ fan, so maybe not the
best person to talk about this all the time.
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on a Black Friday. We've got one NFL game, bunch
of college games. More importantly, though, Jeff, how was Thanksgiving? Man?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Was it good?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
It was good? You know, I had to reload a
parlay after the first, the first NFL game of the day,
I think, like most of the country had to reload
a parlay. No sorry, I had as a teaser leg.
I had a teaser leg. I had to be reloaded.
And you know, it was good. Thanksgiving. You know, lots
of football obviously, and I think we have a lot
(01:03):
of uh, sort of answers on where the NFL is
after even just three games yesterday, which is always important
to have. And today is what possibly could be the
final Civil War in the history of Oregon Oregon State,
which is wild. I think this is the fine, Brian.
This is the final weekend of Pack twelve football.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I mean, there's obviously Changion game next weekend, but like,
this is it, Like this is a conference started in
nineteen fifteen, it's playing its final weekend of college football,
and it starts today with a game. I mean, the
Civil War thing has been played since. Like it's it's
one of those rivalries that I don't think people realize
has been played as long as it has. I think
it's it's up there as far as one of the
(01:46):
longest running rivalries in college football. I'm pretty sure it
started in the eighteen hundreds. Let me make sure to
put it. I mean it started in eighteen ninety four. Wow.
So they play a lot of football game together. You know,
sixty seven, forty nine and ten an all time series
for Oregons. So there's you know, it's been played a
(02:07):
long long time and it ends presuming not presumably, but
it ends today without any sort of adjustment to schedules
next year. It's pretty crazy, man.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
You know what tells you how long it's been played?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
The ten, like there are no ties anymore, right, so
there are ten ties in the all time series.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Well, it's been around for a long time.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
The most famous one was the nineteen eighty three Toilet Bowl.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It was zero to zero, oh god.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Eleven turnovers. It was played, you know, if you saw
the game last weekend went to Organstine and Washington in
the rain. It was played in that weather. Eleven fumbles
sorry exeature eleven and fumbles, six for turnovers, five interceptions
for miss field goals. Oregon also scored twice but got
called back on penalties, but ended zero to zero.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I'm sure a young maybe teenager crack told his dad
to take the under, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
It was about it would not surprise me.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Bill Krakenberger are sports handicapper. You know he's probably on
the under in that game.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Uh yeah, I mean it's I would imagine he is.
And uh, it's uh, you know, it's it's uh, it's
a bummer.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
It is.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
It is because it's been such a good season for
the Pac twelve also, and uh, it's it's crazy to
see it go. But like you're saying, Oregon State against Oregon,
that's at eight thirty Eastern time, tonight, and that's that's
that's the last installment, like you said, most likely unless
they're like, hey, you know, it's twenty forty seven for
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old time sake, let's tee it up.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
That's Look, man, I I think that some of the
change is going to be fun and fresh and interesting
and who's not gonna want to see the Ducks go
up against Ohio State or Michigan. There's going to be
some good. But some of these people like it doesn't
have to be one or the other. It doesn't have
to be all bad with re alignment. It doesn't have
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to be all good. It's a blend. It's a mixture
of both.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Well, I'm glad you mentioned that, because here's the way
I sort of look at a conference. Re alignment. Obviously,
for those who are unaware, and I don't know why
you've never heard me before, good morning, have a good
thing is getting come.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I do pass region.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I do pack to a radio, have done it for
for five years now. I grew up in Los Angeles.
My parents are used to like alums. I went to Oregon,
so I'm I'm very you know, invested in West Coast
football and and you know, college football is is is
unique in that you know's see how popular it is.
It's the second most popular sport in the country. But
there's two ways to view college football. There's the regional way,
(04:40):
which is obviously sort of part of my job, right
and sort of my childhood. And then there's a national way.
And I also cover you know, college sports nationally right
for Fox Sports and when we do this show and whatnot,
So I have both those lenses. Regionally, conference re alignment stinks,
right because you know all these matchups, all this like
Scartish organ to Arizona State last weekend, and my Ducks
(05:04):
like have this terrible history of playing in the desert November,
like we've lost so many games as big favorites in
that state. I played twice there in November, and I
left in Arizona, not Arizona State, but just in the
desert alone, and Brian I left both games with not
a starting quarterback. Like it just it's one of those places.
It's just like it's hard to play in the desert
(05:26):
in November. And you know, Oregon struggles with Stanford and
we're always good against this school, and so you lose
all of that scar tissue and all that shared history
in tradition when you go to the Big Ten, right,
but nationally, as you mentioned, we get much better football games.
Instead of Oregon Cal, it's now Oregon Penn State where
(05:47):
Oregon Wisconsin. And but you know again, I have to
like relearn like who's going to be our Stanford? Who's
going to be We go to Stanford every year like
in early October and have a stinker. Who is actually
Purdue now? Exactly? Is Iowa the new Arizona for us?
And you have to relearn all these You have to
(06:08):
relearn all these sort of rivalries and scar tissues and whatnot.
So that's the part to me that you know, I
not that I'm being stubborn, old headed about I mean,
I'll learn it, of course, but I kind of liked
what I already knew about college football and the rivalries
already knew about. So you know, again things things are changing.
I've accepted it. Obviously. I'm a little bun because I
(06:29):
gamble on the Pac twelve and I'm really good at it.
Now I've got to either learn the Big ten or
just kind of sort of stop giving out public picks. Nonetheless,
here's where we are. The last rivaly weekend in the
Pac twelve. But look, there's the last rubber weekend and
you know SEC IS, you know they're they're changing their conference,
you know, alignment next year. So you know, a lot
of a lot of rivalries just might not continue in
(06:51):
the same way moving forward.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I think that's what's hard to wrap your mind around,
is how different it is than the NFL. For instance,
think about the three games yesterday. Imagine if it's a
great rivalry between the Seahawks and the forty nine ers.
Imagine if they were like, yeah, that's the last time
we might play each other, maybe twenty years from now,
just for the heck of it, but that's pretty much
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the last time we're gonna play due to realignment.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It would blow your mind, you.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Know, Like, can you imagine if the Commanders and the
Cowboys they just didn't play again for two more decades
like college football will do.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
It'd be pretty crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
But hey man, that's just where we're at in college football.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Brian, I've said this for a long time and I
really do believe it. And when we talk about these
sports I talk about differently, they are two different sports.
I know people try to say, oh, it's a football.
They're not the same thing, man, even the football is
not the same. Like we would never I don't think
we ever say college Basle and NBA are the same.
I've never heard anyone say that before. Right, it comes
to football, you know, it's just say no, they're different.
(07:53):
The football is different, the field markings are different, right,
Like the schedule is different, the playoffs is. It's all different.
It's a completely different sport. And they're both NFL and
college fooball are both great in their own ways. I
prefer if you're asking me, like I'd rather much other
watch the NFL. I feel like college football is just
a different my team I root for obviously, but it's
a different vibe when you watch college football. But they're
(08:16):
not the same thing. And just treat them. And you
have to say, when you talk about the sports or
watch consumers, there's different sports. You understand you're consuming a
different sport when you watch college football or the NFL.
So I think people sometimes kind of love them together
and then they're not the same thing.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, we've got a lot of time to look back
at what happened yesterday and look forward to today in
the weekend and all that stuff. But of the three
NFL games, so we had the Packers pull a minor
shocker against the Lions and win the game. Like you said,
some people are reloading the teasers or the parlays to
(08:55):
the first NFL game of the day. Then you had
the Cowboys just destroy Washington forty five to ten. You
had the forty nine Ers look pretty dominant against the Seahawks.
I know, the Seahawks made a little push to begin
the second half and the Niners were like, okay, pipe
down Seattle and they won with ease by eighteen points.
(09:16):
Of those three games, which which game, not just yesterday
but going forward right when we're starting to look at
the playoff picture and everything, which game do you think
was the most significant?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Probably Seattle and forty nine Ers, because the Niners are
gonna win the NFC West now, and there was you know,
there was a one game difference between those two, those
two scols, and then they play again fairly soon too.
There's one. Now it's two games, and I think there's
a real chance Seattle is not a playoff team. Yeah,
And that's what it showed the last six games for Seattle.
(09:52):
Off the top of my head, because I've waged on
some of them and pay attention. They have just played
sort of average football, right. They went to the Bengals
six weeks ago, and you know, they put a terrible
red zone game and lost, came home. But the Cardinals
barely cover the Cardinals, you know, they barely beat the Commanders,
and the Browns need to they need a big come
back to beat the Browns, like they just you know,
(10:13):
Rams beat them last week. They're just okay, right, but
you look at the at their schedule the next couple
of weeks, it's it's it's teams they're not going to
be favored against, and there's not a lot of margin
for area. Now, the NFC is much easier than the
AFC as far as sort of where there, you know,
the seventh place team, the record on that can be
eight to nine. Probably to get in nine to eight
(10:35):
probably surely gets you in the NFC. So they might
still make it as a seventh seed, but like, they're
not a legitimate sort of contender to do much of
anything I think in uh, you know, in in this uh,
in the playoffs at all, they kind of That was
my takeaway from that game, and it's I think I
think yesterday. My overall sort of vibe and takeaway is
(10:58):
that we sort of the NFC stort of separate itself yesterday.
We know Tier one and Tier two and the Tier
two teams are Cowboys and Lions, Like, can those teams beat?
Can those teams beat you know, what's the way to
put it. Can those teams beat the Eagles and Niners?
Probably not?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, That's the thing to me is you look at
the Lions and look, man, it's a long season. They
lost a nationally televised standalone game against the Packers yesterday.
It was embarrassing and there might be a knee jerk
reaction to sort of write them off. I'm not doing that,
but it was a significant day because they get leapfrogged
(11:38):
by the Niners. The Niners are now the two seed
in the NFC. The Lions fall down. You look at
the defense. So these are the last but these are
four of the last five games. What they've given up
points wise, they give up thirty eight on the road
against the Ravens, they give up thirty eight on the
road against the Chargers, then they give up twenty six
(11:58):
to the Bears and twenty nine yesterday.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
To the Packers. That's not all defense.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I mean sometimes there are some there are some defensive scores, right,
Like Jared Goff was a turnover machine yesterday turned it
over three times, three.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Times for two weeks.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So that's the thing with the Lions is as they're
starting to fall in the seating standings, if you will,
right for the playoffs, rolling around, and they've gotten destroyed
defensively the last two road games, how good are you
feeling about the Lions' chances to do major damage come
playoff time on the road if they're playing a game
(12:38):
or two of significance on the road, I don't feel
great at all. You've got a defense that's getting shredded,
and you've got Jared Goff who's a turnover machine.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
That is not a good combination at all.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Yeah. I think I think you're again you're sort of
separating the nine Ers and Eagles away from the Lions
and Cowboys in my opinion. And look, here's here's the
thing is you have a situation where you have, you know,
you're led by Jared Goff. As much as Jared Goff
has improved since the sort of his time at the
end with the Rams there, it's still Jared Goff and
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you're just not gonna win anything important with him at
this you know, at this point of his career. That's
not really not a knock on him, it's just where
he is in his career. He's sort of showed them
the last couple of weeks like you're just it's just
he's just not a guy that is going to get
you three playoff ways to get to the super Bowl. Yeah. Right,
it's just not gonna hapen. Especially when you're playing the
Eagles and you're playing the forty nine ers, presumably it's
(13:36):
just not gonna happen. And that's okay, it's I mean,
it's what the why the lines trying to draft a quarterback?
I Hateen Hooker, but but after to address that position
in my opinion in the off season. Obviously, defense still
a big problem for them, as you mentioned, their defensive
numbers have been bad the last month or so. But
I think it's just Goff's not not good enough to
get you to that place. Dan Campll's done a great job,
(13:56):
but he deserves credit for what he's done this year.
He might win Coach of the Year. Still know how
it ends and he's definitely built this organization up to
be a winner, which has been a long struggle for
the Lions, and he deserves credit and praise for that.
But but Brian that if the idea is like the
Lions are competitive in the NFC, that they're not going
to be just not And it's okay, it's but you
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really see when the Chiefs struggle, we can say, well,
they've shown this before, They've won two super Bowls the
last four years. Like that, that's that's they can benefit
of the doubt. When the Lions struggle last two weeks,
as they're sending to the top of the mountain, that
becomes concerned, right because we haven't seen them correct this yet.
They haven't been in this spot before, and so I
think there is certainly worry about the defense and then
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the turnovers with Gough.
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So Jeff. Yesterday it was a record setting performance from
Deron Bland. He is a second year cornerback for the Cowboys.
He recorded his fifth pick six of the season, an
interception for a touchdown. He's got five of them so far.
We're through week twelve at least for the Cowboys. This
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was how his fifth one and most recent ones sounded
yesterday against the Commanders on CBS.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Is this is history, but you can take it the distange.
This will be the return.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
To the fifth time as.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
A pick six. It's never been the history in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
I want to call on you.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
You got me with des Combe stands. That was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Right there you go, man, That's how it sounded. Against
Sam Howell. There fifth interception for a touchdown by Dern
Bland and Jeff This has been huge for the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Obviously.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Trayvon Diggs goes down, who's their stud cornerback and in
walks in Deron Bland, a fifth round pick out of
Fresno State last year. You know, this is like shades
of Richard Sherman at least being a fifth round corner.
And I know it's early, but maybe Riek Woolan with
the Seahawks think about the more recent version he was
(18:58):
a fifth rounder as well. But Deron Bland is he's
been a huge difference maker for the Cowboys here.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah, it does feel like interceptions fumble sometimes as a
tad bit of luck right now with pick sixes, obviously
the get the interception the first place takes a lot
of skill being able to score. I feel like is
again that five interceptions alone itself will be a very
(19:29):
good season so far, right, Yeah, and you obviously the
touchdown part of it makes it incredible. So that part
to me is like fun to talk about the interception.
You know, the returns are fun, but like that's not
to me. The important part is other than he's just
getting the five interceptions right? Are my wrong on like that?
The part to me is random more than the interception,
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which takes the skill.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah, I hear you on that.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
It's just when you can say something that's never been
gone before in the history of the NFL, it's like, wow.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Really diminishing what he's done. I'm just saying that, like,
it would be impressive if he didn't even score the touchdowns,
right because the five receptions would you especially filling in
for digs and whatnot. So I've been I've been impressed. Man.
The Cowboys need that right now. Some of these have
happened in blowouts. But what happens if he doesn't get
(20:24):
a pick six? Does that change what the defense becomes
in the playoffs? And they're relying too much on this.
I would say again that the Cowboys are the best
front runners of the NFL, even better than your than
your Dolphins, dude. When when they are when they are
leading in a game, they are unstoppable. Man, they just
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they've but that's Arizona. They have one and covered every
single big spread this season.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
It's incredible, it is It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
And that's one of the things, man, where if we
bring the gambling aspect into this. I don't know how
you feel about it, Jeff, but we've been watching the
NFL for so long. The NFL reminds you, hey, it's
not that easy. Look at the Lions yesterday. You know,
the Lions are over a touchdown favorite and the Packers
tap you on the shoulder and do the de kembe
(21:18):
like that? No, no, no, it's not that easy. And
that's how I feel with the Cowboys. When they're going
up against these teams that they're better than they you'll
still get upset. It'll still at least be a close game,
and the favorite doesn't cover the spread. I've been waiting
for that for the Cowboys to happen for weeks now
against lesser opponents, and it hasn't happened. They have boat
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raced these teams that they're better than, and that's a
credit to them. But you still like the Dolphins, you
got to see what they have against.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
The big boys. That's what it ultimately comes down to.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Vieah yesterday it was great too.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
It was he did a great job with that.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Had a little gravel in his voice, almost like he
sound he listens to metal over there, you know, oh boy,
oh no, no.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
We don't want that, Dolly pardon halftime and what a day. Yeah, performances,
it was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, not the greatest reaction in the Lions game to
the halftime performance.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
No, no, my wife did say, oh, that's what Jack
Harler looks like.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, yeah, that was not highly thought of with Jack Harlow.
I was with family, like the volume wasn't at full blast.
Do you believe my sister doesn't even follow sports, Jeff,
I don't know how we're related. I don't get that.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I don't know how that's possible. Like, I like, you know,
there are people that don't watch Super Bowl, and I
like one of our nanny friends, she's my age thirty five,
and like she doesn't watch sports and she really doesn't
watch super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Wow, that's yeah, that's another level right there. I mean,
that's a piece of Americana.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Like what do you deal with your Sundays? I don't
know what, you know?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Is it chores?
Speaker 4 (23:04):
You know? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Watched I binge Netflix?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Netflix? Yeah, I knit.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
While watching Netflix. I nitflex Netflix.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
No, I'm just saying like she just doesn't watch sports.
It's just yeah, Wow, people are my wife doesn't watch sports.
I guess.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Now, I had the tablet going all day long. Yeah,
I was just hanging out with family and didn't have
the volume on. I'm watching you know, uh, the halftime
show with Jack Harlow and then X slash Twitter whatever
you call it, went in on this guy. They're just
like this, no thumbs down, no thank you.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
My wife is I can I can talk about football
without watching it? Quite? It's quite like, I'm like, can
you can you do nursing without without practicing Nursing's said
the most insane thing of all time.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
I'm a parent, but I don't practice parenting.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Yeah, It's like it's like, hun, I have to watch
fotball to talk about football, right, doesn't It doesn't compete
with her?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
No, It's like, but then you really, So we go
from a record setting performance from Deron Bland fifth pick
six of the season, it's probably not gonna be a
record setting performance for Jets quarterback Tim Boyle today. Jeff
I don't think that he's gonna carve up the Dolphins
to the tune of it being a record setting performance.
But nevertheless, he gets the start against the Dolphins in
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the first ever Black Friday game. Is this going to
be a disaster for Tim Boyle in the Jets? Is
that what you're anticipating here?
Speaker 4 (24:34):
I am. So here's the thing about this game. It's
Tim Boyle is obviously he wasn't a good college quarterback, right,
so I don't even know why he would be going
the NFL. But when I heard Nate Hackett or someone
on the Jets say from the long lines of like,
well he's he knows Nicknate Hackett's offense, well like, well,
that's that's not good, Like that's that's the first sign
(24:54):
of not know having those Neate Hackett has been a
terrible offensive in his career. He somehow gets credit for,
like being on the Packer staff when Aaron Rodgers won
win Mvpiece, he didn't call plays. Every time he's been
in charge of an offense, he has stunk at being
in charge of an offense. So the idea that because
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Tim ball knows the offense, they're fortun to be better
this week, to me is a fallacy. It's not a reality.
It's also worth pointing out since Jyalen Ramsey has been
back for the Dolphins three weeks now, defense much better
seventeen points, fourteen points, thirteen points, So you have a
better Dolphins defense with Ramsey and Vic Fangail. Obviously, is
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DC sort of figuring it out with the options he
has on his defense against a Jets team without some
offensive line might do it, though. I do believe Dwayne
Brown might be back this week for the game today
with Tim Boyle as their quarterback, Like, come on, what
are we doing here? What are we doing? I have
the under in this game tonight as one of my
favorite wagers of the week. The Dolphins have shown a
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little bit. It's a little tougher for them to move
the ball against defenses like the Jets, and the Jets
have Tim Boiler quarterback, so I think there's just not
a lot of points in this game.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah no, man, that's a schwartzism right there.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
You know, what are we doing here? What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I love that, man, It's a signature phrase from you,
and it certainly applies to Tim Boyle being the starting
quarterback for the Jets today. That might be what Fireman
d is saying instead of leading the j E t
s Jets, Jets Jets chant, it might be like what
are we doing?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
That might be a few things.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Look, I know that teams don't plan under their quarterback
missing time. And if you are without Aaron Rodgers for
a season, you're you're not going to be a playoff team.
That's just what it is. Right. However, the Jets rightfully
deserve to be criticized for their inability to have a
(26:57):
backup plan because the Chiefs have had a backup quarterback
play in two playoff games on two Super Bowl runs.
Remember Mahomes got cuts against the Browns. Yeah, and and
chan Henny had that long touchdown ecive me the long
run on third down to clinch the game for them.
Last year, Mahomes of Hurrgans Jacksonville ched handel in a
(27:21):
ninety seven yard touchdown drive. Yeah, ched, Hanny's not going
to win you super Bowl. It's not going to lose
your Super Bowl probably right, Like you know, Nick Foles
won you know one, and that was Nick Foles bit
playing out of his mind. But still, and you have
to have some sort of option to to and the
Jets just went down with Zach Wilson.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, I know it.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
It's that this is this is the low point for
Zach Wilson. Man is getting replaced by Tim Boyle, who
threw more interceptions than touchdowns in college. I think about that,
that's an NFL qorderback that threw more interceptions than touchdowns
in college. And I get some enjoyment out of the
(28:09):
updates of Hey, hey, Aaron Rodgers, he's nearing a return,
and it's like, bro, what is their record going to
be like when he's maybe ready to go? And your
reaction to that is hysterical to me. It's again, it's
the what are we doing, guys, he's not coming back
type thing. I don't think the record's going to be
good enough for him to say, Okay, I'm back the
(28:32):
same year.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Yeah, I'm not a doctor. I've got a lot of injuries.
I pay attention to, you know, injuries and sort of
the process of rehab. So he currently wrong. I think
Aaron Rodgers got hurt in September, right, So again I
make sure political scign is not math. But September, October, November,
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that's that's twelve weeks essentially, right. Week fifteen puts him
in the middle. So let's say that's fourteen weeks give
or take, right, because when he had surgery, it was,
you know, mid September but let's just say fourteen weeks.
The quickest anyone's come back to play football on that
Speedbridge Achilles surgery was six months. It was cam Akers
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and he wasn't very good when he came back. So
a forty year old quarterback is going to come back
in fourteen weeks from a surgery that no one's come
back from in six months. In six like, it's just
it's Aaron Rodgers wanting attention. It's Aaron Rodgers needing a
spotlight at all times, everyone to talk about him each
and every week. It's needing the validation that he is
(29:35):
getting the love from the media, the hope and the
hype and oh he's our savior. He's coming back soon, guys,
the Jets can be thirteen and three. He's not seen
the football field.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah, he.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Is not ready to play football. Yeah, this difference between
working out and playing football. Is he ready to escape
the pocket if pressure was coming down on him? Is
he ready to move in the way he has to
move to avoid people falling on him? Right, and like
craving his leg again?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Is he able to just take a hand off and
roll out and get on the move and throw a
bootleg the inswest to that is all no, and so
he's not coming back. No. Jets won't be good enough either,
so that also play into his favor. But they're not
having a viable option. And Zach Wilson not only got
benched his third stream this week.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
He probably won't even see his jersey, right, they'll probably dress.
You just dressed two quarterbacks in this game. Yeah, Zach
Wilson's It is interesting because it's becoming increasingly easy to
understand that that that COVID year in college football was
just in aberration. It didn't nothing that happened that year
(30:51):
carried over like Zach Wilson was incredible in twenty twenty.
No fans in the stands played a weird schedule twenty twenty.
By the way, Oklahoma, look, he really had a good
defense in twenty twenty. None of the stuff Hills holds
up right. And Zach Wilson had bust potential all over it.
One sort of decent year at BYU, had tons of
(31:15):
time and protection, he had that offensive line that year.
Did he did get touched all season? Yeah, And it
just very clearly was like he's just not going to
be that guy. And It's not his fault. He was
drafted second overall. He didn't ask for that to have.
If he draft in the third round, you'll be like, okay, cool,
like you know, he's a career backup whatever. But he
drafted the second overall like that, It's not it's a
(31:37):
burden he has to live with because of his draft slot.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Well, and that's the thing too, is I hear you on,
Aaron Rodgers, let's play this game real fast, because I
would compare it a bit and hear me out to
Kevin Durant. Remember when Durant was with the Warriors and
it's the NBA Finals against the Raptors, and Durant hadn't
been playing, he had been nursing a calf injury. And
now it's game five if the Warriors are facing elimination
(32:03):
and KD gives it a go and unfortunately, yeah, the
achilles went. Now what's different with Aaron Rodgers is he
did have an achilles injury right like he had. He
tore his achilles and he's had surgery and now he's
fighting back. In all of that, the comparison I'm making
is Game five of the NBA Finals compared to what's
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the Jets record when Rogers might be in a window
where he's not fully ready, but he could get on
the field, he could push it. Think about this, they
play the Dolphins two of the next four games. Let's
say they lose out. I'm not expecting the Jets to
win today. Let's say that happens. Let's say they lose
in Miami. Then they have the Falcons and Texans sandwiched
(32:50):
in between. Let's say they split those games, they would
be five to nine. Jeff, Like, do you think that
signals a return for Rogers at that point? No?
Speaker 4 (33:00):
No, it doesn't. Yeah, you know, even like I'm just like,
next year, I mean, is Rogers at his age going
to be as effective as we think he is in
this Jets offense next season? Because in the AFC, everyone
has to be compared to you know, can you beat
the Chiefs? Like right now, the Chiefs are having their
(33:21):
worst offensive year and are still the favorites to win
the AFC. Like they just catch the football. They be
nine to one right now. It's still so you know,
can you know, can can the Jets with the roster
they have built and by the way, defense typically does
(33:41):
not hold year to year. Now there are situations like
the Ravens for so many years and Steelers that have
been good each year, but like it's hard to rely
sometimes on defense being your calling cards. Like the Jets
really good defense this season, but it's hard to just
it's just hard every year. Offense is very sustainable, right
because quarterback, but its quarterback coach. So is there a
(34:03):
guarantee that, like you know, the j just Devens will
be as good next season? So I just don't know
if the Jets will ever get there With Rogers.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
They might not.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
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Okay, was it someone on the Chiefs because he was
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Speaker 2 (34:39):
Maybe that's the case, but we'll give you a little
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should be. Man, Jeff, we got a lot of college
ball today. We've got the NFL game, the Jets hosting
the Dolphins, but a lot of college football today. This
isn't just a yeah, we'll give you a game like
last night with the egg ball, right.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
We had all to got schmorgasboard full Schmorgasport of college
football love.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah, see you go h with Schmorgasport. I go Smorgasbord.
I think it's a tomato tomato thing. I'm not correcting you,
it's just you know, I like.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
What go Smorgasort. How do you go?
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I go Smorgasport. I think it's I've.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Never seen it spelled before. I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
I think it's spelled s M, but a lot of
people go with the H, which I think is fine.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
It's just a preference type thing.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Interesting. Yeah, I don't know. I forgot. Today's Black Friday,
and it's a day we're I'm just gonna spend money
for no reason because it's some stuff's on sale, Like
I just like, I don't actually need that, but it's
it's twenty percent off. It's a deal, dumb a Soliday.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
What do you think you might you might buy today?
You're watching college football and all.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
I have more radio this afternoon, so that's probably what
I'll give.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
A little piece of double dipping today.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
I got my Pat twelve show, buddy, it's you know,
it's a PAC twelve game day. We got we got
a game tonight the Pat. Well, yeah, we got Oklahoma
TCU at noon on Fox, and then we have the
Monster ioway to Brassla contest twenty twenty four and a
half points.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Is that what it's down to now?
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yeah, I think that's what I'm gonna check. I'm gonna
check the wager talk. I think it's it's it says
a twenty four and a half on on on Fox Sports.
For the thing, let's see what the twenty four and
a half guys is like the lowest total by five
points I think in history. And I mean people are
(38:10):
let's see here, yeah, I see twenty four, twenty five,
twenty four and a half's I mean, how do you
not like tease? God, even just a regular teas And
I know collegortaball teachers aren't really a thing, but wow, wow,
that's wild.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
That's the thing to me is like Nebraska going up
against Iowa's defense.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
It's possible Nebraska scores three points, maybe six, I don't
think it's outside the realm of possibility. They get shut
out right, like, and how many points is Iowa gonna score?
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Easy? Thing? Iowa has nothing to play for in this game.
Nebraska's playing for bull birth.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
That's true. At homes, Nebraska's at home.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Yeah. This is the thing about what makes this weekend
very interesting in college football is the there's a lot
in collegtables different the NFL, where you you think you
absolutely wager on emotion in college football, right, I'm sure
that you do as well. And there's a lot of
spots where your emotion plays a factor in sort of
(39:21):
the games. Right, So for example, the first game TC Oklahoma. Now,
I don't think you blindly bet on teams to cover
games that need to win to go to make a
ball it's probably but TC you again, five and six
Oklahoma not into Oklahoma, I believe is out of the
Big twelve. There's like a weird big tom as a
weird tie breaker system. Yeah, but yeah so, but they
(39:43):
still have to obviously play it to get into But
they might be without Jackson, without Dan Gabriel today, and
I have Jackson Arnold playing for them much in Nebraska, right,
five and six Matt Rowlands first year, I'm sure we
love nothing more than to you know, to get to
get himself, you know, h a bull board, especially with
the way they started. So there's just a lot of
(40:04):
things in college football that you wager on besides the exit,
O's a lot of it does come to the emotion
of the game.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Man, I'm just looking at Iowa. Here we are breaking
down Iowa Nebraska. I love this what well? I no, no, no, no, no,
there's more so Rutgers. They played Rutgers a couple of
weeks ago, they shut them out. Iowa pitched a shutout
against Rutgers. They gave up seven to Northwestern six to Wisconsin.
Here's a bet for you, Jeff, I just saw this
(40:32):
on bet MGM. Both teams to score ten or more points.
Oh under a yeah, no, it is minus one forty five.
There's a little bit of juice, little tax. But you
gotta go no on that, right, both teams scored ten
or more.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
No thing, so ten ten.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
If you scored ten, you're at a push or you
win the win the bet.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
It would be a push.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
No, no, no, you would right. If you say yes,
you would win. If both teams score ten, you would win.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
If you say no, say no, no one can get
one team cannot get to double digits.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Okay, all right, interesting.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
I say no, I say no. There's one that doesn't.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
I mean you can get I'm looking at alternate alternate
numbers here. It's incredible that don't.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Might here's one for you. This is great.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Both teams score twenty or more. No is minus three thousand.
You'd have to risk three thousand dollars to win one
hundred dollars. That's how much of a long shot it
is that both teams would crack twenty points apiece.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
I mean, geez, under eleven and a half is plus
five point fifty. Wow.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Oh man, really you know what.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
I would I would be okay doing it. Here we
go under thirteen and a half, so the game is
ten to three, okay plus four hundred Wow, I'm might
do it. Might you know, I'm gonna do a tony.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
I'm gonna just sprinkle on that, gonna do a little bet.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
Yeah, peanut bet so cracks.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Peanut bet is five hundred dollars. What's a peanut bet
to you?
Speaker 4 (42:13):
The twenty bucks? Twenty bucks like like like like that
thirteen point teaser you know.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Uh huh yeah yeah yeah, for fun? I mean, what
else do we have going on today? We've got uh?
Speaker 4 (42:24):
I mean, I mean I have organ sted organ tonight.
I haven't put a wager on that game officially yet.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Debating what to do.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Or not, well, that's the big one. That's definitely the
game of the Texas Texas.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Tech is important tonight too because if Texas loses, you know,
they're they're out of the playoff hunt. Yeah, and Texas
Tech has played better football, won three straight games. They're
kind of you kind of evening out after you know,
it's a quarterback injuries early in this season, and you know,
for me, you know it's a I kind of need
Texas Tech to win for organ because they played him
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earlier this season. That would be a big win for
you know, strength to schedule, and then also knock Texas
out of contention for a playoff spot, which would be nice.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
I think the games today it's a little bit like
a Thanksgiving meal where I don't get too picky and choosy.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
I'm just like it's a party. It's I'm just.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Throwing everything on my plate. I'll take a bit of everything,
you know what I mean. Yeah, that's how I feel
with the college slate today. Like I said, one ranked
versus ranked. There are thirteen games in FBS, right, thirteen games,
and there's one game featuring two ranked teams. So you
get some higher point spreads, get a couple of games
where you're like, it's not the sexiest matchup right there.
(43:37):
I don't know if you're racing out to see Memphis
in Temple, you know, but I think whatever comes my
way here, I'm cool with it.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
I will tell you what though, Temple plus the points
might be a fun wager to beate today.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Temple plus thirteen is what you're thinking.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
Yeah, well, Memphis is eight and three, they have nothing
to play for, they're out of the AAC Champion Chip Game,
and they're going to I imagine Philly is not the
warmest of places today. It feels a.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Dead spot from Memphis could be. I mean, you might
be right.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
You see, like Boston College dead spot for Miami in
my opinion, like these are. This is what I'm talking
about with college fooball, So let me throw it. Let
me throw out the Oregon State organ thought I had
okay about so obviously I went play to oregonfo You know,
both schools, both rogons very well. So Oregon State entering
the Washington did you have an opinion on who to
(44:32):
win the Washington Oregon State game?
Speaker 3 (44:34):
I thought it would be Washington. Honestly, same, I bet Washing,
I bet Washington.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
So we're on the same page. They're perfect. Oregon State
was seventeen and one over the last three years at
home during that game. Okay, they had lost to USC
last year, that was it. Now they were down thirty
one ten or thirty one thirteen Oregon last year and
had that, you know, the big comeback right which you know,
life happens. It's unfortunately lost for Wargon, but they won.
(45:02):
They're seventeen and one. Two years ago they began the
construction process to modernize one side of their stadium. The
other one had been done. The other one was like
a high school stadium side. So last year they played
in front of no fans on that side, so there
was like thirty thousand fans. And this year they get
their first full season, you know, in the new stadium.
(45:23):
Again great they had been at the time, was a
ranked Utah team at home at the time, was a
ranked UCLA team at home, and they had done just
a good job at home. Their home road splits. Brian
are like, this is it's it's wild their home road splits.
And I did this. I'm gonna pull up for you
right now. That let you know, because it's all gonna
(45:44):
play until like the emotional part of the game tonight.
Why I think you wager on this? So they again
the last two years, the last two seasons there again
one loss home. This season, you're ready home road splits.
Entering the Washington game at home, average margin of victory
forty to twelve point eight, forty to twelve point eight
(46:08):
at home on the road thirty five to twenty eight.
It's a pretty big disparity on defense, right, Yeah, sure
last season thirty six to seventeen and twenty six to
twenty eight. So my point is they were building up
this Washington game. The schedule worked out to where they
were playing Washington Oregon end the season like boom boom,
they lose. They lose this game to Washington. They don't
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Washington scores no points second half and they still lose
the game. And I think heading into the Oregon game
on a short week off, a physical game, coaching rumors
about their coach going to Michigan State, this feels like
a dead spoff Oregon State.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Man.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
Yeah, that's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Man.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
Everything everything they wanted this year destroyed last weekend by
by not winning that game.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
And they were right there, they were right there.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
Washington not scoring the second half.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Yeah, it's tough. It's tough to come back. Like we
always talk about the the emotional letdown off a win,
I mean, we don't talk as often about the emotional
letdown off a crushing loss like that. And that's what
happened with the Beaves last week. They were right there,
like the weather. They're playing smash mouth football. It's a
(47:20):
lower scoring game, you know, and then Michael Pennix Junior
and Washington just hang on for dear life. That's just
such a crushing loss. It's tough to get up a
second straight week against Oregon. That's a tough test for
Oregon State.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
Man. It's also it's also hard because you know, again
like the physicality of Oregon and having to meet that
week after you play a physical game with Washington. A
lot of teams don't have that depth. That's why it
becomes a struggle for you know, teams to play in
these conferences that don't have the depth, and right now
(47:58):
they don't have don't have a depth the organized So
I'm curious. I'm curious how this uh, you know, how
this one goes tonight. I think Organ handles it. But
you know, I'm an Organ fan, so maybe not the
best person to talk about this all the time.
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