November 27, 2023 • 43 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Eagles find ways to win while the Bills find ways to lose. Steelers are able to move the ball and impress in a post-Canada offense and the guys recap an all-timer rivalry weekend in college football.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple. Joe
with Lamar Arings and Rady Whinn and Jonas Knox on
Box Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feeling here on a Monday morning?
Good good, post Turkey Day, post Turkey Day. Yeah, Turkey mortem.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Excited, fired up, I'm good. I feel rested. How about yourself? Yeah,
feeling I mean it was.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
It was probably the first time I've gotten more than
six hours sleep in consecutive days.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Really, See, I can't do it. Yeah, my bladder, it's
so funny. My body is okay, Like my mind is
okay with with staying sleep on our days off. My
bladder is still on the same Uh, it's still on
the same schedule. Oh yeah, what does that mean? That
means I gotta get up, I gotta go. I gotta
go handle that. And I generally just stay awake. I
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just start working.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
On business and you handle that, don't you.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I do, absolutely, you gotta have it. Yeah. I saw
you guys dancing on the sideline on Saturday. I was
really excited for you guys dancing. Yeah, you guys, you
don't remember dancing on the sideline in ann Arbor dancing.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
We were trying to mess with Rob for one of
his hits at one point, which he kind of turned
the tables on us.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Maybe it was more so. I mean I saw you guys.
I could have sworn you guys were jamming on the sideline,
and then I it might.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Have been we might have been jamming.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
There was one song we'd hear it everywhere we went,
and we actually learned the name of it when we're
in Penn State. Well, the nice young man young men
one of the fans there told us, he's like, this
is the.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Name of that song. Oh oh gosh, man, we were
asking for the entire year.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Huh. Well, of course it would have been someone that
Penn State that would have been courteous and kind enough
to offer that that uh information Toppy Valley.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
They called it way correct.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
The group that actually sits up where a set was,
it's the same group of guys.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
That was there last year. They're they're a funny group
man there. They were there. They're kind of I think
they're from uh, I think they're from Jersey.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Nice, but they would like try to like heckle a
little bit, but then they're like cool just to kind
of talking ball and all that most of the time
gambling too, which is kind of funny. I was like,
you should you just talk to Jonas. He doesn't win
many but if you fade him, you'll win a lot
of money.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I didn't this weekend, that's for sure. That you do
know that Jonas did the cow Herd Show when we
were all off, and and you know, it's just been
it's been a whirlwind of of just all kinds of
praise and and just you know, happiness around Jonas.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Isn't doing that?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Did you have any dynamic guests Jonas? Is that why?
Like what made the show so special? Well?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I think we went live to Ann Arbert at one point,
got a got a Scott stap performance wow by by
somebody there. So somebody who's you know, just a Heisman finalist,
uh TV star?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Heang you had Brady On? I was talking about Rob Stone.
What do you mean? Yeah, Brady On, what are you
talking about? See? That's fed up man clown. You didn't
so I had to wait for Saturday. Huh. Oh yeah,
And I had the request to be all about the
way you have.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
To tell you well, I actually he had said something
to me and then I resell I was like, yeah,
anything I could do to help you, let me know.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
So very interesting. He thought it was somebody else. I
think the truth comes out. He'd gotten confused. Otherwise he
wouldn't have come on.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
But the odd thing was like you didn't want to sing,
and like you actually sang, like you ran a band.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I was laying out for you, Like, uh, you know
I were laying out for him. My singing days are over.
So I learned my lesson being a part of a
bad band. But you know, it's fine.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Listen. It was all good.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
It was a fun time, fun weekend for all. Fun
weekend in the NFL and college football, and a fun
weekend if you're a Philadelphia Eagle fan, because man oh man,
they somehow figure out ways to win games.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
You remember how I told you though that Philly fans,
PA fans are like real A holes, like real A holes. Yeah,
how many times do you think they were? Like if
you we suck? Oh wait wait wait, oh we're great,
We're good, We're good. Okay, now you we sucked. You
remember we were making that's a Philly fan.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
We were making the case after the Monday Night came
against the Chiefs and we were saying, man, Philly just
somehow figures out, Like, I don't know that I trust
another team in a close game than Philly in the
league right now.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
It's kind of like the mentality of the streets of Philadelphia. Man,
like close close close close, Uh you scratch your scrounge
like like almost like you know, what comes to mind.
The the physical embodiment of it is Joe Frasier. You know,
it's like you're just you're tough, your hard nose, you're
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a bully, You're you're gonna take the punches, but you're
going to deliver the blows. That's Philly. That's like literally
what their football team is this year. And I actually
find them very fun to watch. I enjoy watching Philly play.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Yeah, I mean the first off, they're extremely talented. They're
extremely talented. It's it's fun to watch.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Them in my opinion, because you've got some of the
best players in the league on one team, sure, and
they've drafted well, they've developed well, so that you kind
of I mean, at least for any of us that's
followed college football, you get to see a guy like
Jordan Davis playing the next level and you're like, yep,
still has a pretty big impack.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
He's so big he damned there killed himself when he
fell on his belly. Yeah, that fell on his belly.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
He don't the wind out of himself.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
He rolled over it. Chris was sitting there like, is
he okay? I said, man that let me just get
put this in perspective. And I told them how big
he was and how much he waited, And they're like, oh,
so where you said that? He knocked the wind out
of himself. That was it. He was moving fast.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
I mean they say the bigger they are, the harder
they fall.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
There's not a lie. They say grizzly bears run faster
than thoroughbred horses too.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Downhill Townhill. Yeah, I think the thing I kind of
came away with was one.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Jalen Hurts plays with like a sense of poison confidence
that's just the fun to watch, easier to root for.
There's just something about him, man, and like the entire
team embodies him as a leader, because there's a stark
contrast between Hurts and obviously Nick Sirianni like it's fire going,
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like very outgoing. Ye, Like it's it's I mean, it'll
be telling people off. I think I saw him in
the tunnel. He was yelling at people in Kansas City.
So it's just two completely different personalities. And Hurts has
such a cool, calm and collected demeanor, and I think
everyone kind of embodies that because they feel that and
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they see like, all right, if they get.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
The ball, we're gonna win.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
He's gonna drive down and he's gonna find a way
of making a play to make it happen. I mean,
I look bad on.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
That game, and I just say it's literally it was the.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Difference between Buffalo's last series in regulation and they're bringing
all out blitz.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Gabe Davis is running the corner, and look, you know,
if you're.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Josh Allen, you like him to drift back and throw
it up to a spot because he's gonna get hit
and he's going to be able to stand in there
and get the ball off where the corner is going
to be. He threw it more like he was going
vertical up the field, So in one way, you'd like
to say, all right, you're the quarterback. If you throw
him more towards the corner, he's gonna fade to and
hopefully see it make a catch on it. Right the
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other thing is Gabe Davis has to know it's blood
zero and has to look sooner. Like sometimes I said
this before. Wide receiver's gravest mistake when running routes, it's
not having any clue what's going on around the line
of scrimmage, not looking in saying wait, I'm one on one.
There's no safety out here. I need to look quick
because it's blood zero. There's an extra guy. They're not
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gonna be a lock them. I need to look quicker
in my route. And he obviously didn't, like he had
no clue what the ball was. So that ultimately ends
up in the field goal and the way Philly drove
down at the end of the game. And I know
it's a long field goal for Jake Elliott, but I
was like, what's the gut In the overtime, I'm like, well,
it doesn't matter, like Philly's gonna win this game.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
That was a long field goal.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
Man.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I couldn't believe he made it in those conditions, and
it was he made it the ball too right. It
was moving, Yeah, that ball was moving like it almost
looked like it could have curved. It could have hit
a hard bank any different direction. Because of the way
to win was grabbing it. But man, talk about clutch.
Did they just win close games?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Well, it's not even that.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
It's like the Bills can't win one an overtime out
in that he never won an overtime game, and so
it was like that little detail of that. But zero
play led ultimately an overtime ultimately to like game game over.
Like you knew Jalen Hurts. Once they got the ball
they were going to make enough plays to go win
that game.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I saw I needed to score. I was just wondering.
I was like, okay, are they going to get it in?
Are you going to get it in? And then they
kicked the field guy. I was like, man, this this
a rat.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Well it was when they did the coin flip for overtime.
The Bills won the toss and elected to receive it.
Brandon Gram's like don't matter, Like you knew their.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Robo and Nance didn't say anything about it, Like excuse me, no,
you know, Jason Garrett and Tarika, that was robodance.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
That was Robanante.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Sorry, those games sort of playing into each other with
the with the howl that one start right, Yeah, yeah,
I thought they would have said something about it like,
I don't think they made mention of it.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Maybe they didn't hear it.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Well, no matter.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Josh Allen after the game, and Josh Allen did have
a great game. He had the interception, but he did
play really really well, scrambled, made a lot of plays
with his feet and you know, kept the Bills in
it and had him in a good position to try
and win the game. He spoke afterwards about just the
situation that Buffalo is in with their season on the line.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
I'm extremely confident in our guys and the men that
we have in this locker room. You know, when when
understand where we're at, so we're gonna get things going again.
I think effort was there, execution was there. I just
gotta make a couple more plays, and you know, there's
a couple we wish we had back.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So does feel like Buffalo's in a little bit of
a tough spot here with the season. That was a
big one yesterday they could have won, they did not.
They've lost three of their last four, they fired a coordinator.
They're going to be at Kansas City coming up next week.
If they got Dallas the Chargers after that, so it's
going to be a tricky schedule for the Buffalo Bills
the rest of the way. If they get in, they're dangerous.
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But if they don't, again, I just wonder what sort
of they have.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
To win four I mean, what do you think they
have to win four games in order to be able
to get in ten.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
It's a bipolar team.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Man.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Ten feels like the threshold if you want to be
in the conversation and you just never know. The only
thing that you know you're going to get is what
you don't know what you're going to get from the
Buffalo Bills. I hate to say it, but you get
you get a good team at times, you get a
a team that could actually be great at times. That
good team can win or lose games. That great team,
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that team that shows greatness, they win games, they can
win big games. I just think that they are like
there's such an anomaly. I don't I don't. I can't
figure them out. Like you watch them, you know you
got you got pieces. Now they deal with injuries. I
get that, but they still show that they have the
ability to be able to compete at a high levels.
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It's not like you were watching this game against Philly
and it's like oh, they're getting out class. Clearly they were.
They were very evenly matched. It looked like an evenly
matched game. But they didn't come out on top. And
at some point, and you know, I had to be
the guy that said, I feel like this team hit
its ceiling last year. But I just feel like I
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see certain things that take place, like a game against
Philly that they could have pulled out. I mean, in
a couple of different instances, and I'll just go no
further than just the overtime. If they punched the ball in,
you don't even give the ball back to Jalen Hurts.
He doesn't even get it. He doesn't even get an
opportunity to be Jalen Hurts for Philly in the game.
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But they weren't able to do that. And so to me,
I just think that when I look at him, it
just comes across as a team that has talent in
certain places. You have a franchise quarterback, but you just
have not been able as a team, as a franchise
figured out how to get over the threshold of where
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you're at, which almost is in a way kind of
reminiscing of the teams that went to the Super Bowl
and couldn't win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
You know, they moved on from Ken Dorsey and Joe
Brady's now had two games, and I got to be honest, like,
I don't know how different this team is what Joe
Brady called plays. I know at times they were a
complimentary of Joe Brady getting into a rhythm, but when
you really like go back and watch that game, what
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you end up coming back to is.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
It's still the same thing.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
In order for the Bills to have a shot of
winning games, Josh Allen has to be superman.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
He's gonna have to lead him in rushing.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
He's gonna have to make plays downfield, you know, with
the football, or extend plays with his legs to throw downfield.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
It's the same thing.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
And I just I keep going back to like how
long is that sustainable? And I know they've been injured
on defense and that's played a role, but it just
it feels like it's always an uphill battle. He has
to do something that's spectacular in order for them to
be able to win games. And it's a tough world
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to live in in the NFL, and so I'm sure
he feels it more than anyone and he's such a
special player. But I mean when it just it feels
like that's that's what they have to do every single week. Offensively,
There's there's no basic run game where they can get
it going consistently.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
They're in that respect.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
You know, Stefan Diggs gets eleven targets this week. The
previous week was eight for like four catches versus the Jets,
and you know, give Jets credit, but you go through
the season, there's games where he explodes and has big games.
There's games when he doesn't. And I don't know if
that's play calling. I don't know if that's you know
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what you point to. I mean, obviously that was where
the finger was pointed earlier this year, But there is
just it's something off. It's like, outside of Josh Allen
showing up and being Superman every game, you don't see
the rest of that from whoever it is. That's that's
a part of it. But this one felt like a
backbreaker for Buffalo. I really felt like they thought they
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were gonna win a regulation once it win overtime. As
Brendan Graham said, it didn't matter, don't.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Matter, Yeah, and they were in control for a lot
of the game. Too, and then you know they bounce back,
they retake the lead and get to overtime and it's
the same old source, such a long kick, and you
know they it just seemed like Philly was just confident
and just you know, like we're not even going to
take any real risk, any unnecessary and unnecessary plays or
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risk to try to move the ball. They were like
very vanilla plays leading up to that field goal, and
he banged that thing, banged it right on out. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
I got a lot of respect for kickers, And I
mean this week in particularly, you started getting down this
this time of the season with the weather's like it is,
and you got to think about it too, man, like
they get one shot at that thing.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
They had one shot and then they get out.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
There and if they hit it, it's like they only
get applauded or appreciated for the kicks they hit. I mean,
it was fun watching everyone celbat Jake Elliott, but I'm like, man,
he misses that, It's not like anyone's come over and
talking to him.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
And that's a tough life of a kicker.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
You know, you think you think Philly fans are booing
him off the field if he misses.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
It, Oh, bro, it's Philly fans man. It's probably the
booing is probably the least of it.
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Speaker 2 (17:13):
So if you just looked at the Pittsburgh Steelers final
score yesterday against the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
You would say, okay't wait to hear it to you.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I mean, listen, it was they put up sixteen points,
what's the big deal. But if you actually go and
do a deeper dive into the total yards and just
how the offense looked post to Matt Canada and the
first game since the Matt Canada firing, you can see
that there was clearly a difference difference. It looked like
it was a different football team on offense, at least
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for that much. And so the Pittsburgh stay it was
actually like exciting plays.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
I mean, I think the biggest thing was they just
pushed the ball down the field vertically right. It was
it was pretty simple, like you have the players to
do it, why not do it? And the offense gained
over four hundred yards the first time they've outgate an
opponent all season. Kenny Pickett, who's hasn't even been a
starter for two four years, he had the second most
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production in his career. In the first game that Mike
Salvin's calling for the Pittsburgh Steels as their play caller,
I just wasn't that hard. Wasn't that something you know,
I didn't need to, like, you know, try to make
it any you know, more difficult than it needed to be.
You're you're breathing some new life into this team, into
this offense, and you're now seeing the rewards.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
So, you know, when I watched the game and paid
attention to everything that was going on, I'm like, you know,
Jake Browning, he's a he's a fill in, but we've
seen backups step in and do some pretty interesting things
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during the course of the time of the starter being out.
And you know, we were talking about well, people talked
about Rush and and how you know, maybe there's a
quarterback come people people. I won't say us on this show.
I'll say me. I said it on this show.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
There could have been a quarterback playing Rush the band,
which showed us what was gonna hate on.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
But they actually have some good hits.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
They do have some good that we're playing. The Paul
Abdul song, Yeah, that was a good one too. It
was the band Rush. It was both of.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
You because the Leite singers got the unique sound.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
That's correct. Which, by the way, Sam will bring us
back to Rush one hundred, Let's make sure it's their
best ones.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Everyone talks about the drummer for Rush, but they base
playing like Eddie Lee.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, pretty good slaps. So but when you look at
this Bengals team, it's still the same team that basically,
you know, owned owned the Bills at at what I
believe is at the height of their being what they are,
own the Kansas City Chiefs at being the height of
what they are. They're all still there. Outside of Joe Burrow.
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That's kind of a big deal. It's a big deal.
But your defense is still the same defense. You still
have a ton of talent on the outside, you still
got mixing in the backfield, you still have all the
elements to be able to put together a win. And
so to me, that's what I was really looking at,
is like, this is really it's a fine football team
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that definitely is reeling from not having Joe Burrow, but
nonetheless it's still a very very good football team. They're
going to play defense, they played defense hard, and their
offense was well, you know, kind of serviceable. But you
look at what Pittsburgh brought to the table, and it
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was more risk taking. Whoa, they took more risk, there
was more citement. The defense played the way the defense played.
As long as you have a healthy TJ. Watt, you've
got a chance to win. And to me that's you know,
you now have a two to two man backfield. And
most would say I think that when you're having success
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as as a football team, especially if you're using your backfield,
you want to have two guys that can carry the load. Pause.
But with that being said, I just really think that
this this Pittsburgh team is a very, very sneaky team
and I don't look at them as a Super Bowl contender,
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but I do look at them as a season spoiler.
They can spoil. They could possibly make it into which
not possibly, it looks as though they'll make it into
the playoffs, and they could be a team that spoils
somebody's playoff bid. That's what I look at and see
in this Steelers team right now. Well, Kenny Pickett spoke
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after the game, Yeah he did. He spoke after the
game after his performance and the first edition the Pittsburgh
Steelers Post. Matt Canada let's take a list, okay.
Speaker 9 (22:06):
Kind of flow of calls, like how coach Sully likes
to call games and our communication on the side line
is great, which he's been there with you know, my
right hand man since I got here. So the communication
has always been great with coach solely, and it's just
now that he has to call the plays. And obviously
it's just an adjustment. But felt like we handled it
really well. It's a lot of a lot of adversity,
a lot of things going on moving parts, but like
I said, it was, it was it felt like a
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short week almost because you know when we got the
news and how quickly we all had to kind of
react to what happened and flush and move on and
get ready to go this week. So, you know, hats
off to our guys in our locker room that did that.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
You mean coach Sully from from Houston via Baltimore Ravens.
That coach Mike Sullivan.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Mike, he's been in the NFL for he was a Giants.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
It was Kulley that was the coach, David Cully. Okay,
they called him Sully. Okay, I was confused there.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
They called him Sully too. Yeah, No, he's he's been
in the NFL for a long time. He started with
the Jaguars, I believe in the early two thousands and
then kind of worked his way up through. But it
was part of Super Bowl there with the Giants, the box.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
You know that that's that's uh, that's flattering to put
out there. He's been my right hand man. I mean,
that's a vote of confidence.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Right anytime he's your quarterback coach, you know, that's that's huge.
You know you're so close with your quarterback coach. And
for me, it was ripped sheer when I first got
into the NFL. I mean I literally I sort of
got I bought a house that was probably a driver
and a wedge away from from where he lived, because
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because I wanted to live close to where he was
so I could go see him in off hours and
talk to when I needed to grab a beer and
whatever it was.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I literally went took that into consideration.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
Hell yeah, hell yeah, Like I like that was it
was that important to me.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
And also I love rip I mean to this day
we still keep in touch.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
You know, hey, coach, where you live?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Man?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Okay, well what's the address?
Speaker 4 (24:03):
It was? It wasn't as creepy as that, But it
was like I was looking in that vicinity.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
I mean, look, Braylan, Braylan was in that area too,
Brenan Edwards, because that was my guy I wanted to
I wanted to be close to one of the guys
I was gonna be building a relationship with.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
You know, if I ever heard that y'all did a
street football game, I would be I mean, I'd be fan.
I mean, I'm already a fan of both of you guys,
but I would be way bigger fan if you told
me y'all lived in the same community and was actually
doing real life street football games. Who's gonna beat him
in Brailin. I mean those were I mean, I'm just
gonna tell you street football games. You can't just take
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for granted that two NFL superstars will be able to
win that game. Just be honest with you, because they're
pretty competitive games.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Man, different rules, man, guys taking cheap shots and all.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
You got to know how to use the craft articles.
You know, you got you got all where the light
poles are.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Like people be jumping off the curb like it's not
out of bounds, Like it's just it changes some places.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
There's more gravel on the ground. You got to know
where you just there's just different rules that can make
it a little bit more difficult to be a polished
NFL football player. Man, I'll take my chances. You give
me Brady and Braidlen, I'll take my chances. Bombs. I'm good.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
But the point is it's like he's he's gonna be
very complimentary and say that about him, Like Jim Zorn.
Here's a guy got close to as well. You know,
Tater Carl Smith, like all those guys. You spend so
much time with them. You know Adam Gase when he
was with us for a year in Denver. Like you
spend out, you end up knowing the guys in the
quarterback room better than you know your family. Like I
swear to God, I could tell you exactly how Derek Anderson,
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Ken Dorsey, any of those guys, Brett Ratliff when he
was in there with us, Rich Partel, like any of
the quarterbacks who came through.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
When you spend enough.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Time with them, you could literally talk about like how
they're gonna drink their coffee, how they were are the
morning person are they not?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
You know, like are they gonna work out with you
in the morning. Are they after practice?
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Like you knew so many little idiosyncrasies about those guys
because you sat in a room with them all and
you just talk about life, talk about ball like it
was so look that that relationship clearly is the easiest
one to see translate onto the field. It's why I
think if you're in OC and you're not in your
quarterback room, you're doing your team of disservice because that
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guy needs to be an extension of you out there
in the field. And if he knows exactly how you're
thinking about things, then he's going to be able to
execute it and explain that too to guys in the
field in that moment. So it's you know, you could
see why it worked in a one game sample size,
but I'm really optimistic.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
And there were and pick it.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Through some dimes, dude, dude, the ball he threw up
the sidelines to Pickings, who made a nice catch. I mean,
thank god he didn't. He almost got his legs rolled
up on. But I mean he threw some dimes and
you see it, and you go.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
There, there it is.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
It's been there time, yeah, the whole time, and now
you're finally starting to see it. So I'm happy for
Mike tom Win the Steers. Even though I literally grew
up with a lot of hate my heart for the
Pittsburgh Steel It's good to see them reaching their potential.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Though.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
They're going to be a playoff team, yeah they are,
they should be. Their schedule is cake, I mean, I
don't want to say. They've got obviously Baltimore to finish
up the year and then Indianapolis. Speaking of backup quarterbacks
who have made an impact, Gardner Minshew's got them playing
right now. But man like, I like if ten is
the threshold, as we laid out and we talked about, listen,
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if you get to ten wins, that's where you need
to get to if you want to be a playoff
team in the AFC. I mean, you just find three
wins easy Arizona, New England, and then since you gain
at home, there you go. And then if you can
get one of those other ones, we could be looking
at possibly an eleven win team who fired a coordinator
mid season and they're going to be a playoff team again.
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Mike Tomlins got them back in the playoffs. It's kind
of wild man. And so now we get to see
how this thing moves, you know, goes moving forward. But
you know, Najie Harris was more involved yesterday. I just
I wonder if if it was just this, like what
were the conversations Like, was Matt Canada just not open
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minded to hey, you know work this in, you know,
talk with so and so.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
That is there's an art to how you call plays
in games. I've been around coordinators who are unbelievable game planning,
breaking down film to know what a defense is going
to do in a certain scenario, like all of that,
and you feel so prepared, so confident going into the game,
and then you get in the game that I'll call
into this place or there's no like rhythm and rhyme
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to it and what they're doing. And there's an art
to being able to see the field, call plays, anticipate
what's happening like and kind of like the difference between
playing checkers and chess, right, you always want to be
setting things up for that next move and anticipating what
your opponent's doing. There's times when you feel like when
guys are out there and they're just calling plays, they're
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just playing checkers. They're like one move at a time,
and they're not thinking about like this play is going
to set up this play with a double mover or
a shot off this run player off of this action.
I mean, there are some things you look at and
go all right, like you can see where the creativity
comes from. I mean even even just with like what
Joe Brady did. There's a few times in that Bills
game when they set up different actions and varieties of
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screens and then the different players off of the same personnel,
same formation, like similar action, and they both hit and
you're going, yep, there it is like one was the
digs one I think came back to it was either
one of the tight ends. But you're watching it, You're
going all right, like there it is, like that's that's why,
like they elevated Joe Brady in that spot, is you
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find like creative ways of finding a rhythm and keeping
the defense on their heels when you're going out there
calling things that like they've either seen before and then
trying to build off of so you're trying to catch them,
you know, sleep or catch them out of position.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah, you know, just just the out there. Since we're
talking about the new newly rejuvenated offense, of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
You do know that the Ravens had the Jags, the Niners,
the Dolphins, and the Steelers consecutively to end out the season.
(30:17):
Tough schedule, man, that is one hell of a tough
schedule to have to go down the end.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Who's got a harder schedule? Them or Kansas City?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
That's I would say that's as hard as hard gets
to have the Jaguars the way they're playing and the
forty nine Ers the way they're playing.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Do you know the schedule the rest of the r
I think tell me.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I mean, I just think that is Baltimore's schedule is
more difficult. It's just hard to It's hard to say
that there would be way more different if.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Dallas is on Kansas City schedule than Yes, I think
LaVar is gonna save Baltimore as the Fortunes.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
No, I'm not. I'm not going to hate on Dallas.
I think Dallas is playing very very fine football right now.
I think they're up there. I just would say this
would be difficult schedule. To say that there's one harder
than this one, I mean, unless you got Philly in
there somewhere. Trying to say the Steelers are gonna win that.
I mean, I'm just saying that, bro. Like, if you
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look at who the Steelers have left and you mentioned it,
it is what kind of cake walk?
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Why did you stop saying the Stellers Never?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I never say still I never say Steelers like steel metal.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
You don't see how you were you were saying Stiller.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Stillers, man, I mean, if they make the playoffs and
they make a legitimate run, can we place the Steelers
polka song every single day?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Why do you say the polka though? Can you play
the the poka? That's what it's called. Can you play
the one that's the here we go? Do we even
have the hare we go Pittsburgh Steelers song? Who wants that?
When you get the poka?
Speaker 4 (31:49):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Who wants that? We want it?
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Here we go?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Boom boom, there we go. That's just a chant. That's
just a check. That's just a chant.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
We go there.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Here, here we got Steelers. Here we go, Hey Jonus,
Pittsburg's going the Zooper Bowl. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, this is a real deal right here A way,
no way, I mean a real deal.
Speaker 10 (32:28):
I mean, you gotta jump, you gotta clock your head.
You gotta jump. You gotta do this. You gotta do
that at the table, Pitts stealers, you gotta do that
right there. I don't even know what the hell that means,
but you gotta do.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
That, start slinging meat balls around. I don't know why
I always felt like this is because I grew up
around Italian I just always felt like this, I mean
Italian type of salt, Like why is it? It gotta
be Italian because that's why I.
Speaker 10 (32:59):
Grew up round disrespectful and we listened to songs like
isn't this what you do at the table?
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Hey, Brady, I'd like to apologize to your family. I mean,
I don't think I'm assuming this is a town. I
don't feel like.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
We already decided like Pocus not Italian.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
We said it is Polish or something. It's like check check, yeah,
it's check. There's a lot of Polish people in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
We went over this in a previous show, Yes, where
we learn Pocus.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Is not Italian.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
I swear on everything.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
I don't think the Pizons want to claim.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
It, you know, I don't know, man, I don't think that.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
I don't think the DeVito family. I don't know, man,
what's to claim it? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
I don't know that that's true. I mean they'll.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Claim Sinatra that, you know, some other.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
But I don't know, Man, Pittsburgh Italian know that.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
I don't know, Manoa.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah, I think that's what it should be. The Italian.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Don't think the pison's want that.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
You might be right. You could be right Byza. I
don't know, though, you got to be like that one.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Hey, hey, quite possibly the best thing you saw yesterday
was the shots of the DeVito fa believable. It was
like I was like, is this is this like an
opening episode of Soprand?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Like that?
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Right? It was awesome?
Speaker 6 (34:15):
God, I was better in that game, that's for sure,
because man oh Man, be sure to catch live editions
of Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn,
LeVar Errington, and Jonas Knox weekdays at six a m.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Eastern three am Pacific.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Was that the best edition of the game between Michigan
and Ohio State of all time?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Was that?
Speaker 5 (34:38):
Was that?
Speaker 3 (34:39):
All time? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:40):
I don't know if I'm going that far. It was
a really good game.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
It was a really dope game.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
It was awesome.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
And honestly kind of had a little bit of everything
that you're looking for, like momentum swings and kind of
the drama on everything else.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
And I think that the one thing that killed.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
Me was seeing Zach Zinner, who's the best offensive lineman
in the country, go down and a lot of people,
you know, who don't follow college football. He came back
for his senior year because they want a shot at
winning a national championship, and to have him go down,
he's gonna be a top draft pick, you know. I
don't know how this is gonna impact things moving forward.
(35:18):
I think he'll be fine, but you hate seeing that.
And it was a gruesome injury.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Was that a knee brace injury? Because he had the
knee brace on there was no give and I.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Mean he ended up fracturing both tibi a fibula, So damn.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
I can't.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
I can't go into the you know, specifics of whether
the DonJoy player or a role in that. But the
greatest thing is it just stinks when you see that.
That was like the only downside of the game. Outside
of that, it had like all the drama and intrigue
you're looking for. And I just I said it after
the game, and I thought the most the thing that
stood out the most to me was Shroon Moore and
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his play calling and the aggressiveness at which he called
the game as their play caller, their interim head coach,
and their ow line coach. You know, he really did
early set the tone going for fourth downs. The half
back pass when he called it came at such a
moment where it was wide open. It was It's one
of those play calls in a big game where if
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it doesn't go well, you blame them. Yeah, that that
stands out. Yeah, but what it does you then are
the genius And just to have the cahonas to do
it was incredible, And I thought it was just interesting
that for a guy who could be interviewing, depending on
what happens with Jim Harball after the season, could be
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interviewing for the for the Michigan headge coaching job to
replace Jim Harbaugh. He really took it and ran with
it the past three weeks. And he was the difference.
Like if you look at between him him and Ryan Day.
I thought Ryan Day called that game and managed that
game extremely conservative.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yes, he did, like I age.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
I thought early in.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
The game, there was a fourth down that I kind
of looked to coach Mine. I was like, I might
think about going for this. Now, granted, you make that
decision if you're the type of person that wants to
dictate things to your opponent. And that's more of how
I kind of see the game from time to time,
and especially the way the past two years have gone,
that could have been a statement play for Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Now I understand why Ryan Day didn't. You're in your
own territory.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Your defense has been really good all year, so you're
betting that Michigan's not gonna be able to go the long,
hard way to get scores. But the reality was is
when Michigan needed to they did, and in large part
because what Ryan Day wasn't willing to do, Sharon Moore was,
and he was willing to take those chances on fourth downs.
He was willing to take those chances winning through the
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football how he threw the football, and I just thought,
in the end, Michigan, I don't even know this price
comes off as controversial if they're necessarily even the better team,
but they were that day and the way he coached them,
he made them.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Michigan was not the better team, but they were. They
played better than Ohio State. I think Ohio State left
a lot on the table offensively. I don't understand why
they didn't work. And listen, Marvin Harrison Junior had over
one hundred yards, but why do you not work to
get him more involved in your offensive scheme during this game?
(38:22):
It's the biggest game of the year. How do you
not get him more involved? Like, I just didn't understand.
I didn't understand that. And you know your defense is
going to play play well. You know they're going to
play tough defense. But with that being said, Michigan ended
up doing Ohio State's defense the same exact way they
did Penn State's defense. I mean, make no mistake about it.
(38:45):
They were running that ball. Was it twenty two straight times?
They were running that ball. Rushing category won the game
in the They were running that ball. Them boys was
running that ball the same exact I mean, they might
have had bigger runs again Stuts, but they were They
were pounding them boys with that run.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Man.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
The other thing that's crazy is Ohio State when Trayvon
Henderson rushes for seventy five yards or more, are undefeated,
literally like they were I think they were eighteen and
oh coming into the game.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
He was fifteen yards off from that.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
And that's and that's the reality is. You know, who
knows how he was impacted by the injury. He end
up limping off the field at one point. I think
he got his ankle rolled up on. But to your point,
LeVar Henderson Harrison are the two players that are just
they're they're when they're at their game and they're healthy,
at their best, they're.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Better than anyone else.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
I'll yes.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
And I think that's what's probably stood out a little
bit to me too about Ryan Day is in the
past we've seen him be able to scheme some things
up where he got a guy like Marvin Harrison Junior open,
or he put him in different positions to allow him
to avoid being taken away. And it's just you go
down to that final drive and you're like, who was it?
(40:00):
It was Marvin Harrison. Marvin Like even the interception, mccora
was going to the right spot. If he gets that
ball off he threw. He was throwing that at the
right time to the right spot because Harrison was coming
up on on the deep dig. But he just got
hit when he threw in the ball kind of you know,
flailed out of there. It just you felt like when
they needed to they went to him, and then instead
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of doing it the entire game, they only did it
as a response to a Michigan score, and it just
seemed really conservative. And so I can understand the frustration
from Ohio State fans. And obviously if you're Michigan, no,
Jim Harbaugh, Kyle Stallions hasn't been a part of the
you know, the universe organization, the team, whatever you want
to call it. And yet they still get a win,
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and I just I kind of look at it as like,
this is this season's almost vindication for Michigan, if they
win the Big Ten this week, if they go into
the playoff and win a national championship.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
You did see that stephen A, which I know, but
I thought it was interesting said that they shouldn't be
able to play in the in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
I don't care about that.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
It hasn't I've said this before and people ask me,
are on there people have overblown this entire thing. They've
overblown the entire thing. There's other teams that have done
it in various ways, and I'll be honest, with you.
I don't know how great of an impact it even
plays in game, because very similar to TCU in the
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semi final game last year, they knew Michigan was doing it.
They changed every single call, every signal, and that it
wasn't like Michigan's defense was stopping TCU.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
No, don't get me wrong, it can't play to your advantage.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
But taking stuff that they did in prior games and
then applying it in game like things don't change, but
the teams don't make adjustments.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
It's you have to be in game able to do it.
That's all legal.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
So I just I think it's one of the more
overblown things. And I think it's because Michigan and Jim
Harball been pretty dominant that people are looking to point
the finger. I just like to me, if you're the NCA,
you're gonna investigate Michigan, go investigate every team in the country, Like,
go find more about every single team in the country
and see if other other schools aren't doing it into
what capacity.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Between the game, the Iron Bowl, the Apple Cup that
was a hell of a Saturday for college football that
was fantastic, The finishing, the finishing you know at Jordan
hare with.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
I mean, that's maybe the most crazy play. Fourth and
thirty one, fourth and goal thirty one for the for
the win, to have a shot at SEC and making
the playoff for Bamba. And by the way, it wasn't
a pushoff. They were both kind of back and forth
with each other like that was unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
Throwing great catch by mom.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
And then to see Washington Washington State was, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
The Florida State game was. I mean, there was just
a u g you could tell teams want the other
teams to win.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
I want them to go undefeed.
Speaker 5 (43:01):
It even like low key robberies like Virginia Virginia Tech.
The DC after Virginia Tech came out in the field
and they want to take a photo like commemorating the
wind and the UVA landscape, or turn on the sprinklers.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
The field, like just little stuff like that. Dude makes
college football so much fun. It really does.
It's the best of two pros and a couple. Joe
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feeling here on a Monday morning?
Good good, post Turkey Day, post Turkey Day. Yeah, Turkey mortem.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Excited, fired up, I'm good. I feel rested. How about yourself? Yeah,
feeling I mean it was.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
It was probably the first time I've gotten more than
six hours sleep in consecutive days.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Really, See, I can't do it. Yeah, my bladder, it's
so funny. My body is okay, Like my mind is
okay with with staying sleep on our days off. My
bladder is still on the same Uh, it's still on
the same schedule. Oh yeah, what does that mean? That
means I gotta get up, I gotta go. I gotta
go handle that. And I generally just stay awake. I
(00:55):
just start working.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
On business and you handle that, don't you.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I do, absolutely, you gotta have it. Yeah. I saw
you guys dancing on the sideline on Saturday. I was
really excited for you guys dancing. Yeah, you guys, you
don't remember dancing on the sideline in ann Arbor dancing.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
We were trying to mess with Rob for one of
his hits at one point, which he kind of turned
the tables on us.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Maybe it was more so. I mean I saw you guys.
I could have sworn you guys were jamming on the sideline,
and then I it might.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Have been we might have been jamming.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
There was one song we'd hear it everywhere we went,
and we actually learned the name of it when we're
in Penn State. Well, the nice young man young men
one of the fans there told us, he's like, this
is the.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Name of that song. Oh oh gosh, man, we were
asking for the entire year.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Huh. Well, of course it would have been someone that
Penn State that would have been courteous and kind enough
to offer that that uh information Toppy Valley.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
They called it way correct.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
The group that actually sits up where a set was,
it's the same group of guys.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
That was there last year. They're they're a funny group
man there. They were there. They're kind of I think
they're from uh, I think they're from Jersey.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Nice, but they would like try to like heckle a
little bit, but then they're like cool just to kind
of talking ball and all that most of the time
gambling too, which is kind of funny. I was like,
you should you just talk to Jonas. He doesn't win
many but if you fade him, you'll win a lot
of money.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I didn't this weekend, that's for sure. That you do
know that Jonas did the cow Herd Show when we
were all off, and and you know, it's just been
it's been a whirlwind of of just all kinds of
praise and and just you know, happiness around Jonas.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Isn't doing that?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Did you have any dynamic guests Jonas? Is that why?
Like what made the show so special? Well?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I think we went live to Ann Arbert at one point,
got a got a Scott stap performance wow by by
somebody there. So somebody who's you know, just a Heisman finalist,
uh TV star?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Heang you had Brady On? I was talking about Rob Stone.
What do you mean? Yeah, Brady On, what are you
talking about? See? That's fed up man clown. You didn't
so I had to wait for Saturday. Huh. Oh yeah,
And I had the request to be all about the
way you have.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
To tell you well, I actually he had said something
to me and then I resell I was like, yeah,
anything I could do to help you, let me know.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
So very interesting. He thought it was somebody else. I
think the truth comes out. He'd gotten confused. Otherwise he
wouldn't have come on.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
But the odd thing was like you didn't want to sing,
and like you actually sang, like you ran a band.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I was laying out for you, Like, uh, you know
I were laying out for him. My singing days are over.
So I learned my lesson being a part of a
bad band. But you know, it's fine.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Listen. It was all good.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
It was a fun time, fun weekend for all. Fun
weekend in the NFL and college football, and a fun
weekend if you're a Philadelphia Eagle fan, because man oh man,
they somehow figure out ways to win games.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
You remember how I told you though that Philly fans,
PA fans are like real A holes, like real A holes. Yeah,
how many times do you think they were? Like if
you we suck? Oh wait wait wait, oh we're great,
We're good, We're good. Okay, now you we sucked. You
remember we were making that's a Philly fan.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
We were making the case after the Monday Night came
against the Chiefs and we were saying, man, Philly just
somehow figures out, Like, I don't know that I trust
another team in a close game than Philly in the
league right now.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
It's kind of like the mentality of the streets of Philadelphia. Man,
like close close close close, Uh you scratch your scrounge
like like almost like you know, what comes to mind.
The the physical embodiment of it is Joe Frasier. You know,
it's like you're just you're tough, your hard nose, you're
(04:45):
a bully, You're you're gonna take the punches, but you're
going to deliver the blows. That's Philly. That's like literally
what their football team is this year. And I actually
find them very fun to watch. I enjoy watching Philly play.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Yeah, I mean the first off, they're extremely talented. They're
extremely talented. It's it's fun to watch.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Them in my opinion, because you've got some of the
best players in the league on one team, sure, and
they've drafted well, they've developed well, so that you kind
of I mean, at least for any of us that's
followed college football, you get to see a guy like
Jordan Davis playing the next level and you're like, yep,
still has a pretty big impack.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
He's so big he damned there killed himself when he
fell on his belly. Yeah, that fell on his belly.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
He don't the wind out of himself.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
He rolled over it. Chris was sitting there like, is
he okay? I said, man that let me just get
put this in perspective. And I told them how big
he was and how much he waited, And they're like, oh,
so where you said that? He knocked the wind out
of himself. That was it. He was moving fast.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
I mean they say the bigger they are, the harder
they fall.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
There's not a lie. They say grizzly bears run faster
than thoroughbred horses too.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Downhill Townhill. Yeah, I think the thing I kind of
came away with was one.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Jalen Hurts plays with like a sense of poison confidence
that's just the fun to watch, easier to root for.
There's just something about him, man, and like the entire
team embodies him as a leader, because there's a stark
contrast between Hurts and obviously Nick Sirianni like it's fire going,
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like very outgoing. Ye, Like it's it's I mean, it'll
be telling people off. I think I saw him in
the tunnel. He was yelling at people in Kansas City.
So it's just two completely different personalities. And Hurts has
such a cool, calm and collected demeanor, and I think
everyone kind of embodies that because they feel that and
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they see like, all right, if they get.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
The ball, we're gonna win.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
He's gonna drive down and he's gonna find a way
of making a play to make it happen. I mean,
I look bad on.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
That game, and I just say it's literally it was the.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Difference between Buffalo's last series in regulation and they're bringing
all out blitz.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Gabe Davis is running the corner, and look, you know,
if you're.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Josh Allen, you like him to drift back and throw
it up to a spot because he's gonna get hit
and he's going to be able to stand in there
and get the ball off where the corner is going
to be. He threw it more like he was going
vertical up the field, So in one way, you'd like
to say, all right, you're the quarterback. If you throw
him more towards the corner, he's gonna fade to and
hopefully see it make a catch on it. Right the
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other thing is Gabe Davis has to know it's blood
zero and has to look sooner. Like sometimes I said
this before. Wide receiver's gravest mistake when running routes, it's
not having any clue what's going on around the line
of scrimmage, not looking in saying wait, I'm one on one.
There's no safety out here. I need to look quick
because it's blood zero. There's an extra guy. They're not
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gonna be a lock them. I need to look quicker
in my route. And he obviously didn't, like he had
no clue what the ball was. So that ultimately ends
up in the field goal and the way Philly drove
down at the end of the game. And I know
it's a long field goal for Jake Elliott, but I
was like, what's the gut In the overtime, I'm like, well,
it doesn't matter, like Philly's gonna win this game.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
That was a long field goal.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
Man.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I couldn't believe he made it in those conditions, and
it was he made it the ball too right. It
was moving, Yeah, that ball was moving like it almost
looked like it could have curved. It could have hit
a hard bank any different direction. Because of the way
to win was grabbing it. But man, talk about clutch.
Did they just win close games?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Well, it's not even that.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
It's like the Bills can't win one an overtime out
in that he never won an overtime game, and so
it was like that little detail of that. But zero
play led ultimately an overtime ultimately to like game game over.
Like you knew Jalen Hurts. Once they got the ball
they were going to make enough plays to go win
that game.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I saw I needed to score. I was just wondering.
I was like, okay, are they going to get it in?
Are you going to get it in? And then they
kicked the field guy. I was like, man, this this
a rat.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Well it was when they did the coin flip for overtime.
The Bills won the toss and elected to receive it.
Brandon Gram's like don't matter, Like you knew their.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Robo and Nance didn't say anything about it, Like excuse me, no,
you know, Jason Garrett and Tarika, that was robodance.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
That was Robanante.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Sorry, those games sort of playing into each other with
the with the howl that one start right, Yeah, yeah,
I thought they would have said something about it like,
I don't think they made mention of it.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Maybe they didn't hear it.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Well, no matter.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Josh Allen after the game, and Josh Allen did have
a great game. He had the interception, but he did
play really really well, scrambled, made a lot of plays
with his feet and you know, kept the Bills in
it and had him in a good position to try
and win the game. He spoke afterwards about just the
situation that Buffalo is in with their season on the line.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
I'm extremely confident in our guys and the men that
we have in this locker room. You know, when when
understand where we're at, so we're gonna get things going again.
I think effort was there, execution was there. I just
gotta make a couple more plays, and you know, there's
a couple we wish we had back.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So does feel like Buffalo's in a little bit of
a tough spot here with the season. That was a
big one yesterday they could have won, they did not.
They've lost three of their last four, they fired a coordinator.
They're going to be at Kansas City coming up next week.
If they got Dallas the Chargers after that, so it's
going to be a tricky schedule for the Buffalo Bills
the rest of the way. If they get in, they're dangerous.
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But if they don't, again, I just wonder what sort
of they have.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
To win four I mean, what do you think they
have to win four games in order to be able
to get in ten.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
It's a bipolar team.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Man.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Ten feels like the threshold if you want to be
in the conversation and you just never know. The only
thing that you know you're going to get is what
you don't know what you're going to get from the
Buffalo Bills. I hate to say it, but you get
you get a good team at times, you get a
a team that could actually be great at times. That
good team can win or lose games. That great team,
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that team that shows greatness, they win games, they can
win big games. I just think that they are like
there's such an anomaly. I don't I don't. I can't
figure them out. Like you watch them, you know you
got you got pieces. Now they deal with injuries. I
get that, but they still show that they have the
ability to be able to compete at a high levels.
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It's not like you were watching this game against Philly
and it's like oh, they're getting out class. Clearly they were.
They were very evenly matched. It looked like an evenly
matched game. But they didn't come out on top. And
at some point, and you know, I had to be
the guy that said, I feel like this team hit
its ceiling last year. But I just feel like I
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see certain things that take place, like a game against
Philly that they could have pulled out. I mean, in
a couple of different instances, and I'll just go no
further than just the overtime. If they punched the ball in,
you don't even give the ball back to Jalen Hurts.
He doesn't even get it. He doesn't even get an
opportunity to be Jalen Hurts for Philly in the game.
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But they weren't able to do that. And so to me,
I just think that when I look at him, it
just comes across as a team that has talent in
certain places. You have a franchise quarterback, but you just
have not been able as a team, as a franchise
figured out how to get over the threshold of where
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you're at, which almost is in a way kind of
reminiscing of the teams that went to the Super Bowl
and couldn't win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
You know, they moved on from Ken Dorsey and Joe
Brady's now had two games, and I got to be honest, like,
I don't know how different this team is what Joe
Brady called plays. I know at times they were a
complimentary of Joe Brady getting into a rhythm, but when
you really like go back and watch that game, what
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you end up coming back to is.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
It's still the same thing.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
In order for the Bills to have a shot of
winning games, Josh Allen has to be superman.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
He's gonna have to lead him in rushing.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
He's gonna have to make plays downfield, you know, with
the football, or extend plays with his legs to throw downfield.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
It's the same thing.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
And I just I keep going back to like how
long is that sustainable? And I know they've been injured
on defense and that's played a role, but it just
it feels like it's always an uphill battle. He has
to do something that's spectacular in order for them to
be able to win games. And it's a tough world
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to live in in the NFL, and so I'm sure
he feels it more than anyone and he's such a
special player. But I mean when it just it feels
like that's that's what they have to do every single week. Offensively,
There's there's no basic run game where they can get
it going consistently.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
They're in that respect.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
You know, Stefan Diggs gets eleven targets this week. The
previous week was eight for like four catches versus the Jets,
and you know, give Jets credit, but you go through
the season, there's games where he explodes and has big games.
There's games when he doesn't. And I don't know if
that's play calling. I don't know if that's you know
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what you point to. I mean, obviously that was where
the finger was pointed earlier this year, But there is
just it's something off. It's like, outside of Josh Allen
showing up and being Superman every game, you don't see
the rest of that from whoever it is. That's that's
a part of it. But this one felt like a
backbreaker for Buffalo. I really felt like they thought they
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were gonna win a regulation once it win overtime. As
Brendan Graham said, it didn't matter, don't.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Matter, Yeah, and they were in control for a lot
of the game. Too, and then you know they bounce back,
they retake the lead and get to overtime and it's
the same old source, such a long kick, and you
know they it just seemed like Philly was just confident
and just you know, like we're not even going to
take any real risk, any unnecessary and unnecessary plays or
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risk to try to move the ball. They were like
very vanilla plays leading up to that field goal, and
he banged that thing, banged it right on out. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
I got a lot of respect for kickers, And I
mean this week in particularly, you started getting down this
this time of the season with the weather's like it is,
and you got to think about it too, man, like
they get one shot at that thing.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
They had one shot and then they get out.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
There and if they hit it, it's like they only
get applauded or appreciated for the kicks they hit. I mean,
it was fun watching everyone celbat Jake Elliott, but I'm like, man,
he misses that, It's not like anyone's come over and
talking to him.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
And that's a tough life of a kicker.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
You know, you think you think Philly fans are booing
him off the field if he misses.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
It, Oh, bro, it's Philly fans man. It's probably the
booing is probably the least of it.
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Speaker 2 (17:13):
So if you just looked at the Pittsburgh Steelers final
score yesterday against the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
You would say, okay't wait to hear it to you.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I mean, listen, it was they put up sixteen points,
what's the big deal. But if you actually go and
do a deeper dive into the total yards and just
how the offense looked post to Matt Canada and the
first game since the Matt Canada firing, you can see
that there was clearly a difference difference. It looked like
it was a different football team on offense, at least
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for that much. And so the Pittsburgh stay it was
actually like exciting plays.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
I mean, I think the biggest thing was they just
pushed the ball down the field vertically right. It was
it was pretty simple, like you have the players to
do it, why not do it? And the offense gained
over four hundred yards the first time they've outgate an
opponent all season. Kenny Pickett, who's hasn't even been a
starter for two four years, he had the second most
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production in his career. In the first game that Mike
Salvin's calling for the Pittsburgh Steels as their play caller,
I just wasn't that hard. Wasn't that something you know,
I didn't need to, like, you know, try to make
it any you know, more difficult than it needed to be.
You're you're breathing some new life into this team, into
this offense, and you're now seeing the rewards.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
So, you know, when I watched the game and paid
attention to everything that was going on, I'm like, you know,
Jake Browning, he's a he's a fill in, but we've
seen backups step in and do some pretty interesting things
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during the course of the time of the starter being out.
And you know, we were talking about well, people talked
about Rush and and how you know, maybe there's a
quarterback come people people. I won't say us on this show.
I'll say me. I said it on this show.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
There could have been a quarterback playing Rush the band,
which showed us what was gonna hate on.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
But they actually have some good hits.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
They do have some good that we're playing. The Paul
Abdul song, Yeah, that was a good one too. It
was the band Rush. It was both of.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
You because the Leite singers got the unique sound.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
That's correct. Which, by the way, Sam will bring us
back to Rush one hundred, Let's make sure it's their
best ones.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Everyone talks about the drummer for Rush, but they base
playing like Eddie Lee.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, pretty good slaps. So but when you look at
this Bengals team, it's still the same team that basically,
you know, owned owned the Bills at at what I
believe is at the height of their being what they are,
own the Kansas City Chiefs at being the height of
what they are. They're all still there. Outside of Joe Burrow.
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That's kind of a big deal. It's a big deal.
But your defense is still the same defense. You still
have a ton of talent on the outside, you still
got mixing in the backfield, you still have all the
elements to be able to put together a win. And
so to me, that's what I was really looking at,
is like, this is really it's a fine football team
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that definitely is reeling from not having Joe Burrow, but
nonetheless it's still a very very good football team. They're
going to play defense, they played defense hard, and their
offense was well, you know, kind of serviceable. But you
look at what Pittsburgh brought to the table, and it
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was more risk taking. Whoa, they took more risk, there
was more citement. The defense played the way the defense played.
As long as you have a healthy TJ. Watt, you've
got a chance to win. And to me that's you know,
you now have a two to two man backfield. And
most would say I think that when you're having success
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as as a football team, especially if you're using your backfield,
you want to have two guys that can carry the load. Pause.
But with that being said, I just really think that
this this Pittsburgh team is a very, very sneaky team
and I don't look at them as a Super Bowl contender,
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but I do look at them as a season spoiler.
They can spoil. They could possibly make it into which
not possibly, it looks as though they'll make it into
the playoffs, and they could be a team that spoils
somebody's playoff bid. That's what I look at and see
in this Steelers team right now. Well, Kenny Pickett spoke
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after the game, Yeah he did. He spoke after the
game after his performance and the first edition the Pittsburgh
Steelers Post. Matt Canada let's take a list, okay.
Speaker 9 (22:06):
Kind of flow of calls, like how coach Sully likes
to call games and our communication on the side line
is great, which he's been there with you know, my
right hand man since I got here. So the communication
has always been great with coach solely, and it's just
now that he has to call the plays. And obviously
it's just an adjustment. But felt like we handled it
really well. It's a lot of a lot of adversity,
a lot of things going on moving parts, but like
I said, it was, it was it felt like a
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short week almost because you know when we got the
news and how quickly we all had to kind of
react to what happened and flush and move on and
get ready to go this week. So, you know, hats
off to our guys in our locker room that did that.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
You mean coach Sully from from Houston via Baltimore Ravens.
That coach Mike Sullivan.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Mike, he's been in the NFL for he was a Giants.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
It was Kulley that was the coach, David Cully. Okay,
they called him Sully. Okay, I was confused there.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
They called him Sully too. Yeah, No, he's he's been
in the NFL for a long time. He started with
the Jaguars, I believe in the early two thousands and
then kind of worked his way up through. But it
was part of Super Bowl there with the Giants, the box.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
You know that that's that's uh, that's flattering to put
out there. He's been my right hand man. I mean,
that's a vote of confidence.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Right anytime he's your quarterback coach, you know, that's that's huge.
You know you're so close with your quarterback coach. And
for me, it was ripped sheer when I first got
into the NFL. I mean I literally I sort of
got I bought a house that was probably a driver
and a wedge away from from where he lived, because
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because I wanted to live close to where he was
so I could go see him in off hours and
talk to when I needed to grab a beer and
whatever it was.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I literally went took that into consideration.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
Hell yeah, hell yeah, Like I like that was it
was that important to me.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
And also I love rip I mean to this day
we still keep in touch.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
You know, hey, coach, where you live?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Man?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Okay, well what's the address?
Speaker 4 (24:03):
It was? It wasn't as creepy as that, But it
was like I was looking in that vicinity.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
I mean, look, Braylan, Braylan was in that area too,
Brenan Edwards, because that was my guy I wanted to
I wanted to be close to one of the guys
I was gonna be building a relationship with.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
You know, if I ever heard that y'all did a
street football game, I would be I mean, I'd be fan.
I mean, I'm already a fan of both of you guys,
but I would be way bigger fan if you told
me y'all lived in the same community and was actually
doing real life street football games. Who's gonna beat him
in Brailin. I mean those were I mean, I'm just
gonna tell you street football games. You can't just take
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for granted that two NFL superstars will be able to
win that game. Just be honest with you, because they're
pretty competitive games.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Man, different rules, man, guys taking cheap shots and all.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
You got to know how to use the craft articles.
You know, you got you got all where the light
poles are.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Like people be jumping off the curb like it's not
out of bounds, Like it's just it changes some places.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
There's more gravel on the ground. You got to know
where you just there's just different rules that can make
it a little bit more difficult to be a polished
NFL football player. Man, I'll take my chances. You give
me Brady and Braidlen, I'll take my chances. Bombs. I'm good.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
But the point is it's like he's he's gonna be
very complimentary and say that about him, Like Jim Zorn.
Here's a guy got close to as well. You know,
Tater Carl Smith, like all those guys. You spend so
much time with them. You know Adam Gase when he
was with us for a year in Denver. Like you
spend out, you end up knowing the guys in the
quarterback room better than you know your family. Like I
swear to God, I could tell you exactly how Derek Anderson,
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Ken Dorsey, any of those guys, Brett Ratliff when he
was in there with us, Rich Partel, like any of
the quarterbacks who came through.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
When you spend enough.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Time with them, you could literally talk about like how
they're gonna drink their coffee, how they were are the
morning person are they not?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
You know, like are they gonna work out with you
in the morning. Are they after practice?
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Like you knew so many little idiosyncrasies about those guys
because you sat in a room with them all and
you just talk about life, talk about ball like it
was so look that that relationship clearly is the easiest
one to see translate onto the field. It's why I
think if you're in OC and you're not in your
quarterback room, you're doing your team of disservice because that
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guy needs to be an extension of you out there
in the field. And if he knows exactly how you're
thinking about things, then he's going to be able to
execute it and explain that too to guys in the
field in that moment. So it's you know, you could
see why it worked in a one game sample size,
but I'm really optimistic.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
And there were and pick it.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Through some dimes, dude, dude, the ball he threw up
the sidelines to Pickings, who made a nice catch. I mean,
thank god he didn't. He almost got his legs rolled
up on. But I mean he threw some dimes and
you see it, and you go.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
There, there it is.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
It's been there time, yeah, the whole time, and now
you're finally starting to see it. So I'm happy for
Mike tom Win the Steers. Even though I literally grew
up with a lot of hate my heart for the
Pittsburgh Steel It's good to see them reaching their potential.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Though.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
They're going to be a playoff team, yeah they are,
they should be. Their schedule is cake, I mean, I
don't want to say. They've got obviously Baltimore to finish
up the year and then Indianapolis. Speaking of backup quarterbacks
who have made an impact, Gardner Minshew's got them playing
right now. But man like, I like if ten is
the threshold, as we laid out and we talked about, listen,
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if you get to ten wins, that's where you need
to get to if you want to be a playoff
team in the AFC. I mean, you just find three
wins easy Arizona, New England, and then since you gain
at home, there you go. And then if you can
get one of those other ones, we could be looking
at possibly an eleven win team who fired a coordinator
mid season and they're going to be a playoff team again.
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Mike Tomlins got them back in the playoffs. It's kind
of wild man. And so now we get to see
how this thing moves, you know, goes moving forward. But
you know, Najie Harris was more involved yesterday. I just
I wonder if if it was just this, like what
were the conversations Like, was Matt Canada just not open
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minded to hey, you know work this in, you know,
talk with so and so.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
That is there's an art to how you call plays
in games. I've been around coordinators who are unbelievable game planning,
breaking down film to know what a defense is going
to do in a certain scenario, like all of that,
and you feel so prepared, so confident going into the game,
and then you get in the game that I'll call
into this place or there's no like rhythm and rhyme
(28:37):
to it and what they're doing. And there's an art
to being able to see the field, call plays, anticipate
what's happening like and kind of like the difference between
playing checkers and chess, right, you always want to be
setting things up for that next move and anticipating what
your opponent's doing. There's times when you feel like when
guys are out there and they're just calling plays, they're
(28:57):
just playing checkers. They're like one move at a time,
and they're not thinking about like this play is going
to set up this play with a double mover or
a shot off this run player off of this action.
I mean, there are some things you look at and
go all right, like you can see where the creativity
comes from. I mean even even just with like what
Joe Brady did. There's a few times in that Bills
game when they set up different actions and varieties of
(29:20):
screens and then the different players off of the same personnel,
same formation, like similar action, and they both hit and
you're going, yep, there it is like one was the
digs one I think came back to it was either
one of the tight ends. But you're watching it, You're
going all right, like there it is, like that's that's why,
like they elevated Joe Brady in that spot, is you
(29:42):
find like creative ways of finding a rhythm and keeping
the defense on their heels when you're going out there
calling things that like they've either seen before and then
trying to build off of so you're trying to catch them,
you know, sleep or catch them out of position.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah, you know, just just the out there. Since we're
talking about the new newly rejuvenated offense, of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
You do know that the Ravens had the Jags, the Niners,
the Dolphins, and the Steelers consecutively to end out the season.
(30:17):
Tough schedule, man, that is one hell of a tough
schedule to have to go down the end.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Who's got a harder schedule? Them or Kansas City?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
That's I would say that's as hard as hard gets
to have the Jaguars the way they're playing and the
forty nine Ers the way they're playing.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Do you know the schedule the rest of the r
I think tell me.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I mean, I just think that is Baltimore's schedule is
more difficult. It's just hard to It's hard to say
that there would be way more different if.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Dallas is on Kansas City schedule than Yes, I think
LaVar is gonna save Baltimore as the Fortunes.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
No, I'm not. I'm not going to hate on Dallas.
I think Dallas is playing very very fine football right now.
I think they're up there. I just would say this
would be difficult schedule. To say that there's one harder
than this one, I mean, unless you got Philly in
there somewhere. Trying to say the Steelers are gonna win that.
I mean, I'm just saying that, bro. Like, if you
(31:12):
look at who the Steelers have left and you mentioned it,
it is what kind of cake walk?
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Why did you stop saying the Stellers Never?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I never say still I never say Steelers like steel metal.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
You don't see how you were you were saying Stiller.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Stillers, man, I mean, if they make the playoffs and
they make a legitimate run, can we place the Steelers
polka song every single day?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Why do you say the polka though? Can you play
the the poka? That's what it's called. Can you play
the one that's the here we go? Do we even
have the hare we go Pittsburgh Steelers song? Who wants that?
When you get the poka?
Speaker 4 (31:49):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Who wants that? We want it?
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Here we go?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Boom boom, there we go. That's just a chant. That's
just a check. That's just a chant.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
We go there.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Here, here we got Steelers. Here we go, Hey Jonus,
Pittsburg's going the Zooper Bowl. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, this is a real deal right here A way,
no way, I mean a real deal.
Speaker 10 (32:28):
I mean, you gotta jump, you gotta clock your head.
You gotta jump. You gotta do this. You gotta do
that at the table, Pitts stealers, you gotta do that
right there. I don't even know what the hell that means,
but you gotta do.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
That, start slinging meat balls around. I don't know why
I always felt like this is because I grew up
around Italian I just always felt like this, I mean
Italian type of salt, Like why is it? It gotta
be Italian because that's why I.
Speaker 10 (32:59):
Grew up round disrespectful and we listened to songs like
isn't this what you do at the table?
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Hey, Brady, I'd like to apologize to your family. I mean,
I don't think I'm assuming this is a town. I
don't feel like.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
We already decided like Pocus not Italian.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
We said it is Polish or something. It's like check check, yeah,
it's check. There's a lot of Polish people in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
We went over this in a previous show, Yes, where
we learn Pocus.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Is not Italian.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
I swear on everything.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
I don't think the Pizons want to claim.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
It, you know, I don't know, man, I don't think that.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
I don't think the DeVito family. I don't know, man,
what's to claim it? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
I don't know that that's true. I mean they'll.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Claim Sinatra that, you know, some other.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
But I don't know, Man, Pittsburgh Italian know that.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
I don't know, Manoa.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah, I think that's what it should be. The Italian.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Don't think the pison's want that.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
You might be right. You could be right Byza. I
don't know, though, you got to be like that one.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Hey, hey, quite possibly the best thing you saw yesterday
was the shots of the DeVito fa believable. It was
like I was like, is this is this like an
opening episode of Soprand?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Like that?
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Right? It was awesome?
Speaker 6 (34:15):
God, I was better in that game, that's for sure,
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Speaker 1 (34:28):
Eastern three am Pacific.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Was that the best edition of the game between Michigan
and Ohio State of all time?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Was that?
Speaker 5 (34:38):
Was that?
Speaker 3 (34:39):
All time? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:40):
I don't know if I'm going that far. It was
a really good game.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
It was a really dope game.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
It was awesome.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
And honestly kind of had a little bit of everything
that you're looking for, like momentum swings and kind of
the drama on everything else.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
And I think that the one thing that killed.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
Me was seeing Zach Zinner, who's the best offensive lineman
in the country, go down and a lot of people,
you know, who don't follow college football. He came back
for his senior year because they want a shot at
winning a national championship, and to have him go down,
he's gonna be a top draft pick, you know. I
don't know how this is gonna impact things moving forward.
(35:18):
I think he'll be fine, but you hate seeing that.
And it was a gruesome injury.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Was that a knee brace injury? Because he had the
knee brace on there was no give and I.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Mean he ended up fracturing both tibi a fibula, So damn.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
I can't.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
I can't go into the you know, specifics of whether
the DonJoy player or a role in that. But the
greatest thing is it just stinks when you see that.
That was like the only downside of the game. Outside
of that, it had like all the drama and intrigue
you're looking for. And I just I said it after
the game, and I thought the most the thing that
stood out the most to me was Shroon Moore and
(35:55):
his play calling and the aggressiveness at which he called
the game as their play caller, their interim head coach,
and their ow line coach. You know, he really did
early set the tone going for fourth downs. The half
back pass when he called it came at such a
moment where it was wide open. It was It's one
of those play calls in a big game where if
(36:16):
it doesn't go well, you blame them. Yeah, that that
stands out. Yeah, but what it does you then are
the genius And just to have the cahonas to do
it was incredible, And I thought it was just interesting
that for a guy who could be interviewing, depending on
what happens with Jim Harball after the season, could be
(36:37):
interviewing for the for the Michigan headge coaching job to
replace Jim Harbaugh. He really took it and ran with
it the past three weeks. And he was the difference.
Like if you look at between him him and Ryan Day.
I thought Ryan Day called that game and managed that
game extremely conservative.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yes, he did, like I age.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
I thought early in.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
The game, there was a fourth down that I kind
of looked to coach Mine. I was like, I might
think about going for this. Now, granted, you make that
decision if you're the type of person that wants to
dictate things to your opponent. And that's more of how
I kind of see the game from time to time,
and especially the way the past two years have gone,
that could have been a statement play for Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Now I understand why Ryan Day didn't. You're in your
own territory.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Your defense has been really good all year, so you're
betting that Michigan's not gonna be able to go the long,
hard way to get scores. But the reality was is
when Michigan needed to they did, and in large part
because what Ryan Day wasn't willing to do, Sharon Moore was,
and he was willing to take those chances on fourth downs.
He was willing to take those chances winning through the
(37:45):
football how he threw the football, and I just thought,
in the end, Michigan, I don't even know this price
comes off as controversial if they're necessarily even the better team,
but they were that day and the way he coached them,
he made them.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Michigan was not the better team, but they were. They
played better than Ohio State. I think Ohio State left
a lot on the table offensively. I don't understand why
they didn't work. And listen, Marvin Harrison Junior had over
one hundred yards, but why do you not work to
get him more involved in your offensive scheme during this game?
(38:22):
It's the biggest game of the year. How do you
not get him more involved? Like, I just didn't understand.
I didn't understand that. And you know your defense is
going to play play well. You know they're going to
play tough defense. But with that being said, Michigan ended
up doing Ohio State's defense the same exact way they
did Penn State's defense. I mean, make no mistake about it.
(38:45):
They were running that ball. Was it twenty two straight times?
They were running that ball. Rushing category won the game
in the They were running that ball. Them boys was
running that ball the same exact I mean, they might
have had bigger runs again Stuts, but they were They
were pounding them boys with that run.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Man.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
The other thing that's crazy is Ohio State when Trayvon
Henderson rushes for seventy five yards or more, are undefeated,
literally like they were I think they were eighteen and
oh coming into the game.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
He was fifteen yards off from that.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
And that's and that's the reality is. You know, who
knows how he was impacted by the injury. He end
up limping off the field at one point. I think
he got his ankle rolled up on. But to your point,
LeVar Henderson Harrison are the two players that are just
they're they're when they're at their game and they're healthy,
at their best, they're.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Better than anyone else.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
I'll yes.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
And I think that's what's probably stood out a little
bit to me too about Ryan Day is in the
past we've seen him be able to scheme some things
up where he got a guy like Marvin Harrison Junior open,
or he put him in different positions to allow him
to avoid being taken away. And it's just you go
down to that final drive and you're like, who was it?
(40:00):
It was Marvin Harrison. Marvin Like even the interception, mccora
was going to the right spot. If he gets that
ball off he threw. He was throwing that at the
right time to the right spot because Harrison was coming
up on on the deep dig. But he just got
hit when he threw in the ball kind of you know,
flailed out of there. It just you felt like when
they needed to they went to him, and then instead
(40:20):
of doing it the entire game, they only did it
as a response to a Michigan score, and it just
seemed really conservative. And so I can understand the frustration
from Ohio State fans. And obviously if you're Michigan, no,
Jim Harbaugh, Kyle Stallions hasn't been a part of the
you know, the universe organization, the team, whatever you want
to call it. And yet they still get a win,
(40:43):
and I just I kind of look at it as like,
this is this season's almost vindication for Michigan, if they
win the Big Ten this week, if they go into
the playoff and win a national championship.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
You did see that stephen A, which I know, but
I thought it was interesting said that they shouldn't be
able to play in the in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
I don't care about that.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
It hasn't I've said this before and people ask me,
are on there people have overblown this entire thing. They've
overblown the entire thing. There's other teams that have done
it in various ways, and I'll be honest, with you.
I don't know how great of an impact it even
plays in game, because very similar to TCU in the
(41:26):
semi final game last year, they knew Michigan was doing it.
They changed every single call, every signal, and that it
wasn't like Michigan's defense was stopping TCU.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
No, don't get me wrong, it can't play to your advantage.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
But taking stuff that they did in prior games and
then applying it in game like things don't change, but
the teams don't make adjustments.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
It's you have to be in game able to do it.
That's all legal.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
So I just I think it's one of the more
overblown things. And I think it's because Michigan and Jim
Harball been pretty dominant that people are looking to point
the finger. I just like to me, if you're the NCA,
you're gonna investigate Michigan, go investigate every team in the country, Like,
go find more about every single team in the country
and see if other other schools aren't doing it into
what capacity.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Between the game, the Iron Bowl, the Apple Cup that
was a hell of a Saturday for college football that
was fantastic, The finishing, the finishing you know at Jordan
hare with.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
I mean, that's maybe the most crazy play. Fourth and
thirty one, fourth and goal thirty one for the for
the win, to have a shot at SEC and making
the playoff for Bamba. And by the way, it wasn't
a pushoff. They were both kind of back and forth
with each other like that was unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
Throwing great catch by mom.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
And then to see Washington Washington State was, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
The Florida State game was. I mean, there was just
a u g you could tell teams want the other
teams to win.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
I want them to go undefeed.
Speaker 5 (43:01):
It even like low key robberies like Virginia Virginia Tech.
The DC after Virginia Tech came out in the field
and they want to take a photo like commemorating the
wind and the UVA landscape, or turn on the sprinklers.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
The field, like just little stuff like that. Dude makes
college football so much fun. It really does.
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