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Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Derek Carr gets banged up in the loss to the Chiefs on Monday Night. Stop making excuses for Deshaun Watson, who’s dragging the Browns down. And NFL Columnist for CBSSports, Pete Prisco joins the guys to recap Week 5.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and a couple.
Joe with Lamar Arrings rating Win and Jonas Knox on
Box Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feel here on our Tuesday morning.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Hi, probably better than Derek Carr.

Speaker 4 (00:18):
Gee, I'm just saying, damn oblique is intact over here. Yeah,
you guys ever had a no obleaque injury before?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
No, it's like a baseball injury, right, well.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Not really. It could be any injury happened in football. Yeah,
I was gonna say it.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
And by the way, the older you get as a
dad buddy, trust you're gonna be like, well, what's that like,
You're gonna have all sorts of injuries you never thought
you were like ever we're gonna encounter in your life before.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Because when they say when a guy gets to the
oblique in baseball, like it's a kind of a tedious
injury because you can't swing, you can't really like.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Move, it's not a baseball injury. It's it's it could
be a golf injury. Anytime you rotate. You rotate a
lot of sports injury. I'm gonna Jonas dad injury for
you soon as soon as you realize that that's what
that's what happens, man, you get older, start having injuries
like this.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, no, I'm gonna try and steer clear of that.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
I mean I was.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
We were ripping it yesterday at the park.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
What do you mean? I mean what?

Speaker 2 (01:16):
I threw a twelve six curveball to my son with
a whiffle ball that he still got hold of. I
mean he can. He can just pipe it with the
best of them.

Speaker 5 (01:28):
So the best of.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Them, So base baseball or not, that was not a
not a great performance by Derek carran company. And I'm
watching Kansas City and it's like they've got, you know,
multiple tight ends they're using, they're using wide receivers that
you know, other teams probably didn't want. They're using a
running back that was out of work, and yet they're

(01:49):
still just winning games and figuring out ways to put
up w's during the course of the season. And it
just reminds me of the Patriots. It's like, Okay, here
we go. It's just they're just going to be a
team that's going to be in contention ver a super
Bowl for the next decade. And every single time I
pick against him, because like, no, no, this can't be
the year they just go out and rack up five

(02:10):
straight wins in a row to start off a year.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
So that's the similarities are pretty interesting when you bring
it up that way. The difference is you've got an
offensive mind and head coach an era that plays to
the offense's advantage.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
I think they're taking full advantage of that.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
You've got a quarterback who similar to Britty in ways,
but has his own style and stamp of it. You know,
the way he throws the football, the way he gets
outside the pocket, creates plays a tight end who's a
future Hall of Famer similar to what they had in Gronk,
but now in Kelsey and also very different. I mean
he's not a you know, behemoth of a human being.

(02:48):
He's smaller, able to kind of do more. He's kind
of known now for this lateral like you saw last
night to cream Hunt to help get the first down.
Like it's there's similarities, but they're unique in their own
way as to how they go about doing it. And
it's you know, it's it's interesting that Spags has been
there the whole time as their defensive coordinator. Maybe the

(03:10):
perfect fit because as you kind of look at all this,
they've moved through offensive coordinators that's never impacted them. They've
moved through some players and they're on the roster that's
never impacted them. It's very similar to New England in
that way. The one concern I have with this team
is if they moved on from Steve Spagnola, you know,
what does this defense look like? Because the defense was
able to do enough last night to styn me any

(03:31):
sort of rushing attack, and Derek Carr struggled at times.
I mean, the first interception was like, what the heck
was that? But outside of that, there's a couple of
big plays and that was kind of it. And the
defense has been the one, to me, consistent piece that
they've had despite a lot of the you know, trying
to figure out who's going to be that number one
wide receiver, dealing with some of the injuries they've had

(03:52):
on the offensive side of.

Speaker 6 (03:53):
The ball, they pull it together and I think it's
the biggest comparison I believe you can make with the
New England Patriots of old, the dominant ones, the Super
Bowl ones, and this Kansas City team is the culture.
You know, we've heard, We've heard so many times throughout

(04:14):
the course in time of the success of the Patriots
all all these guys that came and went different different
coaches and coordinators that came and gone. Now, listen, it
was all the coordinators in New England and they were
still able to replace, you know, the Romeo Crenells and
you know the different guys that that moved on.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
But with that being said, when you.

Speaker 6 (04:37):
Look at how this Kansas City team plays in comparison
to a dominant team like that that old New England
Patriots group, it's the culture. I think that's the biggest
takeaway I I get when I watched this team play.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
You have a.

Speaker 6 (04:57):
Quarterback that is the catalysts of the team, undisputed. No
one would would dare challenge the fact that Patrick Mahomes
is one hundred percent the example, the motivator. He's the
guy that they all believe in and he wears that

(05:18):
role very well. You have a coach that all the
players they believe in, they buy into, they subscribe to
his way. And now you have a rest of everyone
who steps in understanding what that expectation is, what that
accountability is, and knowing that if you're going to achieve

(05:42):
at a high level, there has to be you know,
Andy Reid said it in his interview. These guys just
don't they don't flinch. They don't let the size of
the moment. They don't let what's taking place dictate to
them the outcome. They just what they need to do
in those moments. That's culture, and and that's understated in

(06:05):
sports so many times when you see a team that
that knows how to handle handle themselves, they you know,
guy goes down, another guy steps up. I mean, Kareem
Hunt gets back in there and and and it's like.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
He never left, you know. And this is not a
bad New New Orleans team.

Speaker 6 (06:24):
I actually think that they're a very very competitive team.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
This was a quality win. And I think that that.

Speaker 6 (06:32):
Culture that that Kansas City is playing with right now
gives a level of confidence where they just know they're
going to get the job done. Might not be the
prettiest I here are all these you know, different analysts
and hosts talking about you know, this isn't the Kansas
City Chiefs that we know. This isn't it's boring. It's

(06:55):
boring this that and the other. It's not Patrick Mahomes
going downfield. It's not that not the big place and
this that and the other it's a team that takes
what you give them and they are going to eventually
win the game. I think that people should learn to
accept that now because it's been enough games where that's evident.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
I think we run the maybe we've kind of run
its course, the whole Taylor Swift thing, by the way,
Like Troy Aikman's even getting fed up with it, Like
you can tell they're just kind of tired of the
whole thing. If we could just get back to our
regular schedule programming of just focus on the Chiefs and
Travis Kelsey being a great player, I think it would
be better for everybody involved. Like I think here's a

(07:36):
clip of Belichick on the Manning Cast. They showed her
and he was just like, oh.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
How great was Belichick on the Manning Cast last night?

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Like just singer after singer after the singer, I mean,
ripping Peyton and then the Colts for pumping in fake crowds.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
He was saying, like, yeah, we do. It's fake.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
When we can hear the CD's skipping back in the
day back it was fantastic, man.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, So the Kansas City Chiefs get it done. New
Orleans started off the year two and zero. They've now
lost three straight. Derek Carr is a little banged up.
Do you want to hear Derek Carr who although playing
and by the way, Jay Kyner went to Fresno State
as well too, correct they did so, is that just
Fresno State jumped in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
Dropped the seed there at the end of the game.
I thought maybe that a shot getting back into it.
One thing quickly before you transition the play to Juju
Smith Schuster on the goal line, I do feel like
that's a play that doesn't happen to Kansas City. It
usually happens to other teams against Kansas City, or you know.
It kind of almost reminded me a little bit of
like the Seattle's New England Super Bowl, where it's New

(08:48):
England who was on the better side of that.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
It was just odd, you know, seeing how.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Juju Smith Schuster literally should be catching a touchdown pass
instead volleyball sets it to Kayln Saunders. I mean, the
wide receiver conundrum will become an issue at some point
this season if they don't get Hollywood Brown back and
into the mix. Xavier Worthy's won his part as a rookie,
but the rest of the pieces outside of what they

(09:13):
have in Kelsey a tight end and some of the
other tight ends. They just it doesn't feel like they
can sustain this way forever, and especially when plays like
that happen, when you literally take seven points off the
board going into the fourth quarter and you felt like
the game was basically over at that point. But seeing
that player going, ah, maybe they don't have all the

(09:34):
luck in the world, or the ball doesn't always bounce
their way. Because every single person will try to tell
you the league gives them all the calls, the ball
always bounces their way. That is not always the truth,
and that was a prime example of that last night.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
So what's the They were trying to explain it, but
I was confused the Kaylin Sunders his brother.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
His brother, Kaylyn Saunder's brother is a backup dancer for
Taylor Swift, which we all could have not used that
piece of information. I just went on living our lives.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
But like right after they discussed it, the guy comes
up with the interception in return, No, I'm just it
worked out well. But yeah, I just thought to myself,
what is her him being a backup dancer to do
with anything? I have no idea it just kind of
all tied together. It was just a happy accident.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
For Joe Buck accident.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, that's all. It was a nice, little happy accident.
And Xavier Worthy hands the football to his mom on
her birthday afterwards, Uh he looks just like her, by
the way, like literally identical to her, which is, you know,
good for everybody involved. But Derek Carr was discussing his
injury afterwards, let's take a listen.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
Not good.

Speaker 7 (10:49):
But you know, we'll get we'll get am and all
that kind of stuff tomorrow and figure it out. But
for me not to be out there with my guys,
no matter of situation, it's it takes something.

Speaker 5 (10:59):
So it was like a pain thing, you know.

Speaker 7 (11:01):
It wasn't like dealing with pain, like can you deal
with the pain then you can go. It's like, literally,
I just I just can't do what I want to do.
And so obviously it's fresh and just happened, but you know,
I mean I'm gonna do anything I can to make
sure I'm there on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
All right, Oh right, that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
I mean that's kind of scary for SADES fans though.
I mean, in all reality, if you look at this
team without Derek Carr. It's more Taysom Hill. It's it's
shake Hanner out a quarterback. It's there's some questions I
think as to what this team's going to be.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Well, yeah, look at the Raiders for that Derek Carr.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
I mean, this is my nightmare.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
No, it could be.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
It could be a real problem for them.

Speaker 6 (11:40):
It's not necessarily because of him, though I would say that.
I mean, he is a good quarterback. I don't think
there's you know, I'm not trying to take away from him,
but maybe the Raiders problem might be a little bit bigger.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
I do have the Bucks next the divisional game.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
That's wild man.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
I was trying to focus in on what we're talking
about while reading what you said.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
That's wild man.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, that's wow.

Speaker 6 (12:11):
I mean there's bigger issues out here in the world,
I'll tell you than the ones we're discussing.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
God.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah, I mean hurting your ap police one thing.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yeah, having your mayor get decapitated, that's a whole after
taking office is a little different.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
Yeah, I mean talking about sending a message.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
So Mexico mayor's decapitated head found on his car six
days after taking office.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
Exactly what exactly are you sending that to.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
I don't know about you, guys, but I'll be taking
a long way home today. So that's okay.

Speaker 6 (12:43):
I understand. I understand your terms. Now see, we could
do it your way ever. That way is whatever, okay, man.

Speaker 5 (12:54):
I just don't want to be next, That's all.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Narcos is real. Man.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
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Speaker 2 (13:13):
Hey, by the way, did any of the hangover recommendations
from Lee help or now like any of the stuff
that he sent over?

Speaker 6 (13:22):
Yeah, he just slept it off, man. I finished the show.
I slept it off.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
So it was the number one remedy right there.

Speaker 6 (13:29):
Back to bed, went, got some she crab soup here.
Really good man, it's good. So yeah, I'm good. I'm
back back today. Feel good. Gotta fly out though, yeah, well, so.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
It's not easy to uh, to fly out of state college.
I know you're not in state college right now.

Speaker 5 (13:48):
But I gotta out to stay college though. So yeah,
you're right.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
Yeah, so you're a very similar to the football team
where yeah, he was complaining about the runway there at
s E.

Speaker 6 (14:00):
Yeah, it's too small. It needed to expand for quite
some time. So what he was saying definitely resonates, you know,
for a lot of different reasons. It was probably like
that when you were there, right, Oh, you got to
drive somewhere else to fly out either Harrisburg.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
Just so people understand what we're talking about the airport
at State College is the runway is not long enough,
big enough to allow a plane like the charter that
Penn State will be on when they try to fly
to the west coast to go to southern Cow to
be able to take off and land without having to

(14:37):
stop because of the size and weight of the plane. Correct,
So James Franklin was saying yesterday in particular, the frustration
that he's got to drive to Harrisburg to be able
to take a plane big enough to do so because
again a.

Speaker 6 (14:50):
Little earlier and leaving a day earlier, just sort of
simple fact that the type of the type of time
that it takes to travel. But I mean there's a
whole lot more issues to it though, you know, in
terms of for our economy, you know, for recruits, for
just you know, everything in general. It's just it's a
headache to get in there, you know. And it's it's

(15:12):
very limited on flights. So and it's right, that's like
when we used to fly back, we'd have to fly back.
We chartered like three or four different like small private jets,
you know, because well it's not three or four but
like two, two or three, so just so you could
land in state college, you know, and not have So

(15:33):
that is.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
The other alternative is half a team goes right on
one and the other half team goes in the other.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
You would still have to stop though, you would still
have to.

Speaker 6 (15:43):
Stop and like refuel, or you'd have to stop and
get on a bigger plane, you know what I mean,
Like you like.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
If you guys have to do that or you didn't
really plan.

Speaker 6 (15:52):
No, we so we would have to drive out if
we played somewhere far away, we would have to drive
out to harry Burg or a different a different airport,
get on a bigger a big plane, fly out on
a big plane, and then when we came back, we
fly in on smaller planes. Like so we would be
on different planes. We weren't all on the same plane

(16:14):
because you can't land a big boy in State College.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
So that's how it worked.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
I think it's the greatest airport I've ever been to
in my life. I swear I was saying this.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
First off, no offense to State College. It is not
were there a Saturday, Not one damn thing was open.
And try to eat or drink.

Speaker 5 (16:33):
There's only one place to eat. Yeah, there's only one
place you eat.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
Penn Valley established in twenty twenty four and it's already
not even open on the sat. Okay, hold on, give
me one person in there. Okay, hold on the vending machine.
Very affordable prices, and they've got enough of a snack
selection that you can use. I'm just saying that you
can work around whatever hunger issues you might have.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Because the cafe is closed.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
I will say this.

Speaker 6 (17:00):
I will say this, if you were to ever miss
a flight due to tardiness at State College Airport, you
have no one to blame but yourself, no one. You
cannot blame that airport. You cannot blame the size of
the airport. If you were ever ever too late for

(17:20):
a flight, that's on you.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
It is interesting, though, Franklin kind of aired out. It
kind of airs out the whole process of flying out
of Penn State. It's like you would have figured at
some point someone would have addressed this and gotten this
done for by the way, not even just with now
the realignment and that the football team will have to travel,

(17:44):
but like other teams traveling in Q.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
Yes, that's a one, Like us LA.

Speaker 6 (17:51):
They probably had to fly into Harrisburg and they probably
had to drive in from somewhere else.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
Yeah, bus in.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, it's like you'd think the conference would put pressure
on that airport or on that the community to try
to make better accommodations for them.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
It ain't easy, and it's not easy.

Speaker 6 (18:09):
That's always been a thing in terms of now that
recruiting is is taking on a larger footprint. It's not
about just driving in from Pittsburgh or driving in from Philadelphia.
It's actually you are you are having to drive in

(18:31):
I mean you you can't you you can't fly in there.
That's that's the biggest point. And so if you're coming
from Florida or coming from California or Texas or anything
like that, you always have to connect, always have to connect.
And it's just it's it's a headache to try to
get a flight into State College because there's only so
many of those small flights that are going in and out.

(18:53):
So it's just it's been a headache for a long time.
It's crazy that they haven't expanded it yet.

Speaker 5 (18:59):
It is what it is.

Speaker 6 (19:00):
Literally, I'm glad you got it out though. I mean,
it's it's been needing to be talked about. It's been
needing to be discussed. I mean it has. It has
been discussed at length, but it's only like been like
a small conversation. Like it's it's a it's ridiculous how
hard it is to fly in and out of State College.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
The State College airport. When we got off the plane,
we we we come out off the runway. If we
walk in, we go down this pathway, we hang a
left and that's it.

Speaker 5 (19:31):
That's it. Okay, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (19:34):
If you're ever like and and listen, everybody knows, everybody
it's a dope place.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Am I exaggerating this? There are car washes bigger than
that airport. Yeah, yeah, like this it is tighty. I
was shot. Its smallest airport I've ever seen.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
It's small yeah, I mean you have what two desks?
I think it's American and United don't have any more desks,
just two.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Desks, a cafe that's never opened in a vending machine.

Speaker 6 (20:04):
The cafe is open just as it opens at times
like we do have.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
A vending machine, like one of those places. Like be
back in twenty minutes and an hour later, nobody still
showed up to the store.

Speaker 5 (20:16):
Named Roy and Love.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
He's working the the United.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
What's that love? You? I br see her today?

Speaker 6 (20:28):
Yeah, that's that's it. But yeah, I mean it's airing
and outs. It is airing out our dirty laundry. But
it's it's laundry that needs to be aired out that
something needs. At some point, there needs to be an
expansion of that airport. Man, this town is expanding, it's growing.
Looks very good. I mean people need to be able

(20:49):
to fly. It needs to be easier to fly in
and fly out of State College.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
So there you go. There's that.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Well the Cleveland Browns were hoping it was going to
be easier to uh, at least they got it. Airport,
you get some well, yeah, they got an airport, and they.

Speaker 5 (21:04):
Need to be sending somebody there with a one way, take.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Damn so. Kevin Stefanski, the head coach of the Cleveland Browns,
spoke yesterday following that brutal performance against the Commandos on Sunday.
He spoke yesterday about potentially giving up play calling duties
to offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey and also what needs to

(21:30):
change on offense.

Speaker 8 (21:32):
I think there's a bunch of different things, Mary Kay,
that we want to look at and see how we're
doing from an operations standpoint. On offense, I think Ken's
been an outstanding partner and all this. So those are
the type of things that I will always look at.
But really it just gets back to making sure that
we're putting our guys in position is what we'll look at. Ultimately,

(21:53):
I have to coach better as offensive coaches. We have
to coach better. As players, we have to play better.
Deshaun can play better. He will play better. He's had
some obviously good moments and then there's times that we
have to play better around him. But he's committed to
getting better. We're committed as an offense to putting our
guys in position to succeed.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
All Right, just a couple of things.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Can we stop making excuses for Deshaun Watson. What good
moments does he had none? And can we stop though?
Like someone will post a photo of one drop and
be like, there it is is wide receivers, don't have
his back man stop the offensive. Watch seven sacks, Go
back and watch the tape. How many of those did
he bring on himself? How many times he's running around

(22:38):
scrambling when he's in a clean pocket he could step
up and make a throw, or how about this, he's
a novel throw the football away like it's unbelievable. This
is a Deshaun Watson issue dating back to even when
he was a Pro bowlorn Houston. Even when he was
a pro boarn in Houston. He dealt with this in

(23:00):
twenty eighteen. He's a pro bowler. He actually led the
league in sacks that year. He led the league in
sack yards as well, which means he's running back out
of the pocket or horizontally. He's not even trying to
get up to the line of scrimmage. So spare me
the excuses. I'm tired of it at this point. This

(23:22):
team's too talented. You have a coach who won Coach
of the Year last year. We watched an offense that
was operating better with a guy who wasn't even on
the roster to start the season at quarterback, and they
didn't want to bring Joe Flacco back.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Why we just watched him throw for over three hundred yards.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
Has Deshaun Watson thrown for over three hundred yards as
at Cleveland Brown?

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yet?

Speaker 5 (23:43):
No?

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Could someone look that up? Is that? Has he done
that yet?

Speaker 4 (23:47):
Flacco just did that last week for the Colts, and
yet they didn't want to bring him back. Why because
he was what threatening to Deshaun Watson or whatever they
want to make up or Jimmy Haslm or whoever the
fun office. It's unbelievable to hear all the excuses that
are made look sin since day one since they've got

(24:08):
Deshaun Watson, forget the off the field stuff. Still shocking
that he gets the contract and they trade for him
With all of that, this was never a good match
with Kevin Stefanski's offense and what Deshaun Watson wants to do.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
It's just it's never been the case.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
So the problem's gonna be, and it's gonna it's gonna
it's already coming to a head. We're watching it play
out is either you gotta get to running Kevin Stefanski's
offense or we're gonna keep watching whatever the hell this
is on Sundays with the Browns, And that's putting Deshaun
Watson back there in shotgun, let him try to scan
the field and look around like he knows how to

(24:45):
read a defense or anything else, and then struggle to
be able to figure it out instead of just putting
him under center, running all these outside zone schemes, the
boots and everything else off it, trying to make life
easy for him and doing what actually could be something
similar close to Kevin Stefanski's offense, having him play with
some sort of sense of timing in a rhythm.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
But the reality is, whoever is.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
Making that decision, and I think it's pretty clear and
apparent it's not Kevin Stefanski. To keep Deshaun Watson in
there is only holding back this football team. And I'm
sure we're gonna keep hearing people on social media try
to come to the defensive Deshaun Watson and it's most
likely his agent and the whole pr campaign behind it.
That's how this works, especially when he's paid two hundred.

Speaker 5 (25:30):
And thirty million.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
There's a lot of people who have put a lot
of money and time into this to make sure it
looks okay that he doesn't take all the blame for it.
But the truth of the matter is it is awful
to watch. And unless the Browns put in Jameis Winston
give him a shot, Drian Thoms Robinson, I don't care.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
I don't care who they put in.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
They need to try to find a way of getting
a spark for this offensive for this team because it
feels like this team doesn't believe in him anymore.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
And it feels like this team's.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Gonna lose belief in their coach too and the decision
makers if they don't find a way of getting him
to play better football, because it is.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Awful to watch.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
So he threw for two to eighty nine in a
game Week three last year against the Titans. That was
as high as a Cleveland Brown quarterback as high this
year yardage wise was one ninety six. Derrick Henry ran
for one ninety nine last week. So it's and here's
the part that I find funny about it is you

(26:27):
know they're asking and they're just kind of throwing different
questions and trying to find solutions. Are you getting about
play calling duties? It's not a Stefanski problem. We've seen
multiple quarterbacks in all shapes and sizes in Cleveland have
success there. They went to the playoffs with Baker Mayfield,
they went to the playoffs with Joe Flacco. Kevin Stefanski

(26:48):
was there both of those times. Like, this is clearly
a Deshaun Watson problem. Yeah, everybody's trying to find well,
what else could it be?

Speaker 3 (26:57):
No, it is.

Speaker 6 (26:58):
It is a Stefanski problem, though, well because he's the
head coach, so it is. It is a Stefanski problem.
But I think what you're saying is is correct in
the sense that he can't figure him out. He can't
figure out how to be successful with Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
So I feel like this is is.

Speaker 6 (27:18):
Kind of like him saying, listen, I'm gonna get up,
I'm giving up play calling dude. He's like, hey, hey, Dorsey,
maybe you can figure it this dude out. Maybe you
can figure it out. I'm done, hands up in there,
Like I just there's nothing, there's nothing I can do
to remedy why this guy isn't doing more for us

(27:38):
as as a quarterback with me calling the plays.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
So he's basically giving you.

Speaker 6 (27:43):
Guys, just like how we just talked about Coach Franklin,
like kind of rolling rolling State College air Port under
the bus, you know, for not being you know, good
enough to handle the needs of what's taking place. This
is Kevin Stefanski making sure people get an idea of
fact that I'm rolling to Shawn Watson under the bus

(28:04):
because I can't. I can't. It's something I can't figure out.
It's not gonna work. So let me just say.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Under the bus.

Speaker 6 (28:14):
Yeah, and what in a way in the sense that
let let somebody else call the plays, Like I'm going
to show you that it's not me, it's my team,
and I have to give up the play calling duties
for somebody else to call the place. But maybe he
can do a better job than what I can. I'm
basically saying to y'all, I'm done. I can't do it.

(28:35):
Like so it's it's kind of it is kind of
he's rolling, He's rolling DeShawn under the bus because he's
basically saying I can't help this, dude, Like, sorry, I
can't help you. This ain't no. We're holding hands, We'll
figure it out. Let's let's see where we end up.
It's like, let's go the place. Yeah's that's what I
would call it. I mean, I I don't think it's

(28:55):
throwing shade. I just think he's making sure that people
understand that I can't do it, like I can't my
offense like you're saying, my offense does not fit what
Deshaun Watson tries to do, and and so.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
I rather, can you do it? Ken? Can you figure
the dude out? Okay?

Speaker 6 (29:13):
You take on to play call in duty's you're to
oc anyway? I trust you. I bought you here. Good luck,
good luck. Yeah, it's bad at it. Yeah, because if
it don't work with that, they probably all might. I
don't know. Are they looking for new jobs? I mean,
are you looking for a new job if you're Kevin
Stefanski and Ken Dorsey after after this debacle with with

(29:36):
with Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
I mean, if Stefanski gets fired by the Cleveland Browns
after this year because the season's over, Like, if he
gets fired after this year, I think he'll get it.
One hundred percent, he'll get another head coaching job because
people are going to look at his resume and go Listen,
he's proven it with multiple quarterbacks. It was just whatever

(29:58):
the hell that diaper fire was that they gave two
hundred and thirty million dollars too, that couldn't work, Like
it just didn't work. And I don't know that people
around the league look at it as a Stefanski problem.
I think they look at it as that guy's broken,
like Deshaun Watson is not anywhere close to the same player.
And I think if they decide to move on from Stefanski,

(30:18):
I don't think he's gonna have a problem finding another job.

Speaker 5 (30:20):
I think the greater.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Issue, too, is they are they're stuck in this situation
because it's going to take the owner, Jimmy Haslam, to
move off of it.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
He's ultimately the one that agreed to the contract.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
When you have a contract that is record setting in
the amount, that's fully guaranteed, a fully guaranteed five year
deal at signing, when you make this sort of trade
for a guy that's twenty four separate lawsuits off the
field that you're dealing with, and you give up the
draft capital that you give up in exchange for him,
when you do all of that, that is not a

(30:58):
general manager decision. It's not a head coach decision that
is an owner. That's an owner's decision. Jimmy has them
ultimately is the only one that can unwind this entire situation.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
And I would guess that based on how.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
Things ended for Baker Mayfield, who would have been a
better option, their best option to find a way of
working it out, getting an extension, seeing what this team
could have been if he was playing as their quarterback. Instead,
they find themselves now with a guy who's not playing

(31:35):
anywhere near to the level of football that he was
playing at during his days in Houston, and a team
that is as talented as any even despite some of
the injuries that they do have, that is struggling to
find a way of wanting to play behind this guy.
And so there is only one way out of it,
and there's only one person to make that decision, and

(31:58):
it's Jimmy Haslam. That's the bottom line, that's the truth
to all this. Because of the magnitude of the contract,
the cash that's been paid out, the hit that you're
going to have to take whether you trade him or
release them. And I don't even know how you'd go
about trading him at this point, because I don't think
anyone else wants to absorb that contract, So you'd have
to make some big time considerations there and how much

(32:18):
more you'd have to pay as part of that contract,
kind of something similar to the Denver Broncos right now
paying for you know, Brussell Wilson not to be there.
That would be an essence what the Browns would have
to do and hamstring themselves for the future with their
salary cap if they wanted to move on from him.
So it's what I've said from day one of this season.
Regardless of how bad Deshaun Watson is and plays, it

(32:41):
doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
The contract protects them.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
This is the good and bad to having a fully
guaranteed five year deal. You don't have that in when
you're talking about you know, football very often other sports, yes,
and you see players be able to flex their leverage
and take time coming back from injuries and not feel
as much pressure as compared to an NFL player. When

(33:06):
you get injured, you feel the pressure to come back
because you don't have many guarantees or you don't have
many years of guarantees in your contract, so you're forced
to sometimes come back before even healthier ready not the
case here. So the reality is this contract's great from
a player perspective because he's protected and despite the fact
that he's not playing well, he's gonna get that cash.

(33:26):
Unless this is off the field lawsuit, this new one
ends up playing a factor in some part.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
But this all.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Comes down to Jimmy Haslm and whether or not Jimmy
HASLM will make the decision at some point to move
on from Deshaun Watson, or if he's gonna move on
from the people underneath them that really didn't have final
say in the decision to bring Watson in the first place,
but are gonna take the fall for him.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
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Speaker 2 (34:00):
Right now, we welcome in the man himself, Pete Prisco,
senior NFL columnists for CBS Sports, a CBS Sports HQ analyst,
a football savant, and a man who deserves respect and
if he doesn't get it, he'll just take it from you.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Peek.

Speaker 9 (34:21):
Good morning, what's up, guys, where's Lamar? You suspend him today.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, he suspend him for the final hours or something
like that. I still can't get over this music, Pete,
We've got for you.

Speaker 9 (34:33):
I love it. I love it.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Come on my song, So Pete, uh you. LeVar is
not here. He's been on the other side of the Jets.
Brady and I had them, I believe as a playoff team.
I know you had him in the postseason. I think
you had him going to the AFC title game. Aaron
Rodgers now got a low ankle sprain. Based on what
you've seen and what you've saw on Sunday, how concerned

(34:58):
are you for the New York Jets being able to
make a run in a Yeah, not an overwhelmingly good AFC.
But they've got an injured quarterback and he's going to
be forty one in two months.

Speaker 9 (35:10):
Yeah, I mean, okay, anytime you have an old guy quarterback,
that's always concerning if they start having injuries. But again,
what I see the problem being is they don't have
weapons in an offense that you have to have weapons,
And by that I mean and you know, look, Aaron
Rodgers has never liked receivers in pre sat motion and
all that moving before the snap. He said, line up

(35:32):
over here, and you line up over there, and we'll go.
We'll decipher and go. It's not unlike what you know
Peyton Manning used to do back in the day. But
the difference is Peyton Manning had Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison,
two Hall of famers, and they were able to overcome that.
And plus, defenses have become much more complex now and
the post you know, the post snap movement has changed,
and so I think you need to dictate. That's why

(35:54):
I think they're having problems. But here's what they need
to do. It's really simple. Go make the move to
get the Vauta Adams. You know, if you want to
get Garrett Wilson, go and go get another guy on
the other side and help that offense. If you're not
going to change and make all that pre snap motion
and get creative the way teams are now, then go
get another great player. And if you're the Jets, why
wouldn't you. If you're Joe Douglas and Robert Salad, you're

(36:17):
not win. If you don't win, you're not you don't
have a job, period, end of story. So go make
the move. You're giving up somebody else's draft picks if
it doesn't work.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
Anyway, Would you admit, though, this was the worst game
he has played and it really didn't have anything to
do with the personnel. To me, he just the three
interceptions in particular raw on him. Is that fair to say?

Speaker 9 (36:38):
Well, look, yes, I didn't think he played well. I
think his offensive line has sped him up a little bit.
I think he was still a little cautious about moving
the way he used to. But the throw he made
the band gigg I mean, come on, you're veteran this league.
You got to know and read that and drop that out.
You know, he drops out there. You have to see that,
you know. So Yeah, Brady, to answer your question, I

(36:58):
would agree with you one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
I think that was the more concerning thing for me
with it. But moving forward, I want to transition over
the quarterback he struggled. Sorry, Jonason, I want to jump
on you. But where you out with de Shan Watson
in Cleveland? Like, what's your remedy or what's your solution
to their problem?

Speaker 9 (37:17):
Tout his ass down period, That's what I would do.
I just don't think he looks like he's capable of
moving the football and consistently getting first downs and making
plays down the field. I don't know what happened to him.
He's a different guy. He doesn't play the positions. Look,
I always thought he was a little overrated, even when
he was used, and we talked about that Brady back

(37:38):
in the day. I thought he was a little overrated.
I thought the move to go get him in the
assets they gave up and the money they paid him
was absurd. And now it's playing out that way, and
so why not try and put some you know, juice
into that team and get you know, get Jamis on
the field, let him play. I just think when you
look at the way he's playing, it's almost comical to
watch him take a drop, it's like take a drop,

(38:00):
move up, take a drop, move back. It's like he's
on a string from the center. He keeps moving up
and back and up and back, and then he'll move
left and right and he doesn't ever stand there. And granted,
the offensive line has not been good, they've had so
many injuries up there, but I think he's done. I
think he looks lost out there, and maybe time to
sit down will help him, or maybe it won't. Maybe

(38:20):
he's done. But the bottom line is they need to
make a change, and I think that the fact that
they haven't made a change is coming from high above
Kevin Stefanski. I don't think Kevin Stefanski ever wanted to
Shaun Watson. That was forced on him, and now he's
probably stuck playing him because that's being forced on him
as well.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
We were talking about this earlier Pete Prisco joining us
here on Fox Sports Radio, that we've seen Stefanski's offense
work with multiple quarterbacks, Baker Mayfield, they went to the playoffs.
They went to the playoffs last year with Joe Flacco.
So it does make the question why wasn't Flacco brought back?

Speaker 9 (38:53):
Why he wasn't brought back? In my opinion, and nobody
told me this, but I think this is why they
didn't bring him back, because as soon as you bring
him back and Watson goes to this period, everybody's screaming
for Joe Blaco to play. It wouldn't even been this long,
would have been two games in, and they didn't want that.
I mean, you know, Jamis is one thing. Joe Blaco,
who took the team to the postseason, is another. And

(39:14):
I think that's why they didn't bring him back. They
have a hefty investment in this guy, and the people
that pay that bill they want to get return on investment,
no matter how bad it looks. And that's the problem
right now.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Pete, I got to ask you about the quarterback situation
in Las Vegas. I mean, it seems like Antonio Pierce's
contemplating maybe going to Aidan O'Connell from Gardner Minshew.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
What would be your.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Thoughts on that.

Speaker 9 (39:40):
I mean, you are what you are, Brady. It always
bubbles to the surface. You can have those aberration games
and you can go to Baltimore and throw for its
three hundred wherever he did. But you always become what
you are. It doesn't matter. You can hide for a
game or two or whatever, but over the course of
the long haul, it always it comes to the top

(40:00):
of the surface and there you are. I'm just the guy,
and that's what Gardner Minshew is. Will always be just
the guy. He's a great backup quarterback. That's a great job.
It's a great occupation. You can stay in the league
a long time. But let's forget about him as a
starting quarterback. Please put it the rest once and.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
For all, What was your thought on the Bills execution
late in that game against the Texans, throwing the ball
three times from their own three with thirty seconds left
for three incompletions, punning it away and setting up Kayimi
Fairbairn for a game winning field goal.

Speaker 9 (40:34):
Horrendous. I have no idea what the hell they were doing.
I mean, look, that's two games in a row byway,
because remember they had this stupid fleet flicker players at
Baltimore that costs him a chance to get back in
that game, and then at the end of this game
run the ball three times and use some of the
clock and make them use those timeouts. It made no

(40:56):
sense whatsoever. Because here's why. Let's just say you get
a first down, you get ten yards, what are you
doing then? Are you going? Are you gonna go? You're
at That means you're at the ten yard line. That
means you're with twenty eight seconds or whatever, twenty six seconds.
Does that mean you're going to get a field goal? Now? No,
your best case scenario is you get maybe the midfield.
I think you know you're not gonna hit. They didn't

(41:18):
hit any long shots down the field other than the
one that Coleman made when he made somebody miss on
a quick throw. So bottom line is, no, you run
the ball, you go to overtime. That was stupidity. It's fine,
it's and hey, granted they've had their fair share. Let's
not forget about thirteen seconds back in the day that
caused them a chance to win at Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
All right, it's time for what could you care less about?

Speaker 4 (41:39):
Okay, seeing Taylor Swift at another Kansas City Chiefs game,
we're discussing what exactly Ceedee Lamb said to Dak Prescott
on the sidelines despite the fact that they won on
Sunday night football season, me on Monday night football or Sunday.

Speaker 9 (41:52):
Football, I care neither of it. I care nothing about
either one of them. Brady to be other, I mean,
I think the networks they've even gotten kind of gun
shy on showing her because they don't even show her anymore.
Did you You didn't even know she was at the
game until like it was halfway through last night, right.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Well, Unfortunately I knew she was going to be there
because they made such a big deal about the fact
that she was going to be there. Because it was
the first one she's been able to make it to
and YadA, YadA, YadA. So yeah, I actually I didn't
know for a while this game was circled because Taylor
Swift was actually gonna be make it to this one.

Speaker 9 (42:29):
Well, I could care I could care less about either
one of them. Sideline argument, sideline argument. They happen all
the time, you know, Brady in the NFL, people makes
up a big deal about those things that it's ridiculous.
It's unlike, it's not unlike any other job. People have disagreements,
and you have disagreements on the sideline people see him.
There was one in Jacksonville on Sunday. Gave Davis and

(42:49):
Trevor Lawrence got into it. It happens all the time, and
I've never put much stock into those. I do like
to know what they're about, though, that much I will
give you. I don't care if having the appetation. But
that's that's.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
A repeat that I love about you.

Speaker 9 (43:06):
Yeah, I got to get to I got to get
to the root cause of the thing. I mean, what
what was the reason? And then you go back and
you look and you said, you know what, maybe gave
Davis was bright, he was open in the middle of
the beetle. But as far as heat of the moment competitions,
they mean nothing to anybody. But you know what Tae
Swift beat at the game probably means less. To be
honest with you.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Pete, what pick from this weekend? Were you on the
right side of that? Ultimately didn't come through? But you
don't regret it because you know you had the right
handicap going into the game and it should have played
out the way that you project.

Speaker 9 (43:38):
You know, it's funny we're starting I'm starting to get
text tweets from people on those since we talk about
it all the time, and you know, I love that, Brady,
I was on the right side of that.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
I'm with you, Pete. I'm with you. That's my logic.
So is there one that jumps out to you this
weekend that you yeah?

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Which one?

Speaker 5 (43:53):
Pete?

Speaker 9 (43:54):
Come tell us, well, I think I was on the
right side of the of the Bills game. If they
don't if they get points there at the end of
the half. I like the Bills of that game, and
I think they probably should have won the game. They
get a fumble and they get nothing, so yeah, yeah,
you know, I'll take the Bill and then the end
of the game. So I'll blame the coaching staff for

(44:14):
put me on the wrong side of that. And by
the way, winning out, you'll always blame the coaches. Always
blame the go around the league to break. You know that.
I always blame the coaches.

Speaker 5 (44:25):
You do, yeah, you do?

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Uh, Pete, I'd be remiss if I let you go.
We didn't talk about your fighting sun Devils four and one.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
Now after they're a nice win over Kansas, a back
and forth game, can we finally give your alma mater
some props. I think they're even getting some momentum to
be a top twenty five team. I know you're excited
about it. You hate talking about until they're actually good.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Forks out, Pete.

Speaker 9 (44:48):
Well yeah, yeah, Well they're not good. They're just winning
games against bad teams, and I feel Look, I feel
better about I like Kenny Dillingham. I think he's doing
a good job there. I think he's kind of banging
his head against the wall because they don't have the
assets that all the other programs do. And then he's
winning games against bad teams. But let's see them start
winning games against good teams, and then I'll be okay.

(45:12):
I mean, if they do. If they start winning games
against good teams, and then I'll be excited about it.
But right now, I mean that Kansas team was supposed
to be good and they're not.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
That's not okay. Let me make the case. Let me
make the case for Arizona Arizona State beating Kansas. Where
they are, they actually have a plus They have a
plus seventeen scoring margin, so they're actually so they're one
and five, but they have a plus seventeen scoring margin.
Outside of their win versus Lyndon Wood, they've lost by
one score to everyone, with the exception now of TCU.

(45:43):
But that being said, they haven't played the easiest schedule,
like Illinois was ranked to one point, UNLV was right
to one point, like everyone they've played actually has been
kind of decent. They have a winning record, so it's
a bit surprising they're one in five. I do think
they'll get and then the problem is they're not gonna get
to an easier point.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Of their schedule.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
They still have k State, Iowa State, b YU, and
Colorado left in their schedule, so it's gonna be a
long season for Kansas. But they played a really tough
schedule for their standards a little.

Speaker 9 (46:08):
It was supposed to be. They were supposed to be
a top twenty five team, Kansas.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Okay, By the way, it wasn't Kenny Dillingham ranked the
worst coach in the Big Twelve going into the season.
And wasn't that CBS that had that ranking system. You
remember Dion was ranked?

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Who was who was a Prisco? Why is it chopping
them now?

Speaker 5 (46:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Did Dennis Dodd do that? Pete or what?

Speaker 9 (46:29):
Well? DoD fo Well, you know what, here's the other
day they were ranked as the worst team in the
conference and that was a slam dug. Everybody had him
as the worst team of the conference, and so they
look kudos to what they've done. I just it's it's
how do you compete with Georgia and Alabama and all
those those you know, Ohio State, those power programs. You can't,

(46:50):
you don't, you don't. It's never going to get to
that It won't. And you can't cheat to that point anymore.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
You know.

Speaker 9 (46:56):
It's not like you could one day try and get
there if you had boosters that were paid, because everybody
gets paid now, So how do you get to that point?
And I don't think you can. And they've done a
really good job of getting transfers in there. I think
the quarterback is going to be a good player. I mean,
he's a young kid. He's a truth you know. Yeah, Shatta,
who's a tough kid too. I mean, I feel like

(47:17):
he takes way too many hits, but he's a tough kid.
But here's the thing, Brady, is there any chance that
after this year that Levitton looks around and goes, you
know what, I've played well here at Arizona State. Now
let me go to your.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Pete, why pony up and start paying these kids? Man, Hey,
do you stop being so cheap?

Speaker 5 (47:35):
Pete?

Speaker 3 (47:36):
What you say, stop being so cheap? Pony? Have to
start paying these kids with a nil deal.

Speaker 9 (47:41):
It ain't that important to me, not here, up here,
up here, as much as anybody else, But it ain't
that important, dude.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Stay safe for the storm.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
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Prisco Senior NFL column, the CBS Sports and our smooth operator.
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