October 10, 2024 • 44 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Aaron Rodgers defends himself against those who thought he got Robert Saleh fired. Antonio Pierce names Aidan O’Connell the starter over Gardner Minshew and dodges questions about Davante Adams future with the team. Senior NFL Reporter for TheMMQB, Albert Breer gives insight on Robert Saleh’s firing, Davante Adams’ market and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Arrington, Rady Win and Jonas Knots on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We are off and running here on a Thursday morning,
and we've got more the same when it comes to
the topic of conversation at hand. We've got Week six
in the NFL kicking off later on tonight, which we
will discuss.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
But we've also.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Got the aftermath of a week five firing of a
head coach in the NFL by the name of Robert
Sala and the dysfunctional disaster that is the New York Jets.
Everybody was wanting to hear from Aaron Rodgers and get
his take on just exactly what went down and what
his thoughts were, and so Rogers made an appearance on
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the Pat McAfee show starring A J. Hawk yesterday, and
here was some snippet of his conversation with Pat with
aj about how he felt about the situation and also
the dialogue he may or may not have had with
Woody Johnson.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yesterday was a day that reminds you of the simple
fact that all of us who played know all too well,
and that's that it's a tough business. It's a beautiful profession,
it's incredible, it's done so much for our lives, but
it's also a really tough business. I love coach Sala.
He was a big reason why I came to the Jets.
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You know, I felt like the team, you know, was
a solid team. Everything that Matt Lafleur said about him,
the few interactions I've had, the times that we went
against him, I just had a lot of respect for him.
As far as any of the ridiculous allegations out there,
I'm not going to spend more than one sentence in
response to it, and that is that I resent any
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of those accusations because they're patently falls. I did talk
to Woody Would. He called me on Monday night. We
had a short conversation and he just asked me how
I was doing. You know, obviously I got rolled up
on the game. My ankle got pretty banged up. So
he just called and was asking how I was doing.
Wood he has no obligation to let me know of
what his plans are. Whether or not he knew what
he was doing in that moment is inconsequential. We need
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as players to take accountability for what's happened. I think
that's the thing that hits you too in the moment,
is if I'd played better on Sunday, this doesn't happen.
And as somebody who takes a lot of pride in
their performance, that was the main sentiment for me yesterday.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
So there was a little bit of Aaron Rodgers from
the pat back of the show, who once our first stuff.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Oh you could stab it first, yeah, staff, Yeah, I
mean I felt like he was pretty open. Honest. I
don't think he had anything to do with Woody Johnson
making this decision. It didn't. It didn't seem like that
I and I think people often times over state the
power of a player. He acknowledged that he talked a
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lot about that. Obviously, we're just giving you, you know,
thirty seconds of soundbites. If you watch the entire interview,
you know, you can tell he was It seemed like
he was caught off guard by it too. It seemed
like he felt like he had an adversary there and
Robert Sala, which if you think about it, you know,
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there probably was no one who was a bigger advocate
for Rogers being there than Robert sala I mean, I
know It's hard to imagine this, but remember the first
year he got there. I mean, Robert Sala was a
giddy It was almost like over the top, just so
excited about the fact they had a quarterback, something that
hampered him during his tenure there to that point. Then
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the injury happens, and then they get into this year,
and despite everything else that went on, he still feel
like they had a shot because the quarterback. Now, you know,
I don't know if their relationship took a hit or
didn't take a hit. All I know is it seemed
like he was rather sincere. He talked a lot about
Robert as a man, as a family man, about his family,
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that people who are impacted by this, So, you know,
listening to the entire interview, I didn't come away thinking,
you know, and then look, I think he would have
been the type to be open if he was a
part of it, or say things that you could read
between the lines. That wasn't the case here. And I
think when you you know, and just relating to what
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he said. You know, Ty Willinghams, who I went to
play for in college. I remember when he got fired
after my sophomore year. I felt awful. I felt like
I was, you know, mostly to blame for because I'm
a quarterback and that that's how things work. And that
was one of the toughest times for me in my
life because it was the first time I'd really been
through something like that before, where you know, you feel
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accountable or responsible for not playing well enough to help
your coach, help your co staff retain their jobs. And
it was tough walking on campus. It was tough. You know,
would other guys be going out on weekends and stuff
I wasn't I did. I didn't feel like I had
earned that right to be able to go out and
have fun and all that. Like, I feel like there
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was still work to do. And you know, there's a
lot of truth in what he said, you know, if
he played better, if they win that game, this didn't happening.
So it's it's kind of crazy to think that. Like
the impacts of a game in London, right, a game
where I feel like most of us, they go over there,
they play early. If you're on the West coast, I
don't even know if you see the game because it's
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so early on the East Coast. Kind of I kind
of love it. It's cool we wake up watching football,
but it feels like it's like a I don't know,
and it's like other destinations, you don't really care about
it as much. Apparently it was that meaningful to Woody
Johnson because of his past ambassadorship to the UK or
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because of his you know, wealthy friends, or whatever the
case is. It seemed like that came the toping of
that game and where it was had more to do
it than anything else.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
The fact that it's a conversation point and that he
is either willing to address or is forced to address,
whichever one, whichever side he fell on when he decided
to address it, I think there's that's the start of
you know, the issue of it all is the fact
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that he had to come out and speak on it,
which means that it's directly pinpointed on him, fair or
not fair. That's that's the that's the case here. I
think also looking at it, when listening to the way
he's he's kind of discussing it, you know, you just
you just start to wonder, you know, and in the
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sense of him having to to address it, as I'm mentioned,
and and him having to be open about, you know,
his his personal situation with the coach. It speaks to
his level of relevance.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
For one.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It also speaks to him making sure that he's trying
to clear himself of any culpability to the scenario directly
being related to him doing it. So it led me
to the next thought, He's right, he doesn't, you know,
Woody Johnson doesn't have to to disclose to him what
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he's going to do. I just find it strange. I
find it strange that Woody Johnson would fire him after
five games if Aaron Rodgers indeed loves Robert Salah, because
I don't think that Aaron Rodgers would be the only
one that would come out and say how much he
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respects or has love for the man and the coach.
They're doing poorly. They're doing poorly as a team. If
you're doing poorly as a team and Aaron Rodgers is
your quarterback and he's playing, it just makes me wonder.
Is it the interactions between him and Rogers on the field.
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Is it his interactions with the media and how he's
responded to things that are taking place that have become
major news headlines in sports media. There's a reason why
wood he had this, If we want to call it
knee jerk reaction to what happened when they went overseas
to play, or if we want to call it something
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that he's been thinking about he's been teetering on. I
don't know what side of it that Woody Johnson falls
on as to why he made the decision, but nonetheless
he made the decision. And the word that keeps coming
out of Aaron Rodgers' mouth, which I think is very relevant,
is accountability. You know, everybody has to be accountable for
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the fact that the Jets are underperforming, and none more
so than the owner of the team to be more
accountable for what it is that's taking place. So to me,
I think the decision did not does not make this
team a better team, unless we're saying that the decisions
that were being discussed by Salah still as the head
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coach are maybe the direction you're going in and trying
to figure out a new play caller. I still don't
think in season game five, I just don't think that
that move improves the forecast of this team, like Woody
Johnson said and his quotes, so I don't know if
this clears you know, him going on in media, Aaron
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Rodgers going to media clears him of being blamed for this,
or if that salvages anything that could have been maybe
broken in the locker room. I mean, I appreciate it. It
did sound candidate me. I'll say that I appreciate the
fact that he's he's always talking about what what he thinks,
and he didn't, you know, shy away from it this
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time as well. I take it at face value what
he said. I just wonder if the if the damage,
if the collateral damage of this is already done, even
with him providing clarity as to what his involvement or
lack thereof to this scenario, you know what, what the
impact of that all is what?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
And I thought he came off since here as well too.
One of the things that I thought he said later
on in the interview that was telling to me is
when he said, look, regardless of you know, however you
know this was handled, there was going to need to
be some changes. And it was almost like an admission
on his part that, yeah, offensively, with Nathaniel Hackett calling
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plays whatever it is, there's going to need to be
some changes. And and the report is that there's going
to be changes that Jeff Olbrick is going to you know,
Todd Downing is going to be the play caller. Last
I had heard, and that, you know, Thaniel Hackett'll take
a step back in his role and his duty. And
I Rogers came off to me as someone who felt
really disappointed that it didn't work out with Robert Sala,
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but I think also professional and weathered enough in the
business to realize, man, this was always the possibility. I
just wish it went differently. I just wish we would
have played better, or there would have been a better result,
or I wouldn't have gotten hurt four games into the season,
because to me, and when people try to put together well,
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you know, he had a conversation with Woody Johnson and
then afterwards, you know, there was a conversation with Robert Sala,
letting people know that Nathaniel Hackett was going to be out,
and then five minutes later he was fired. Like Rogers
even said in the interview, like I was in the
training room getting medical attention, and then all of a sudden,
phones started ringing everywhere, and next thing you know, Robert
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Sala was gone. Like I find it hard to believe
that he had a meeting with the coaches announced that
Nathaniel Hackett was going to take a step back from
play calling duties, and then that's what triggered a five
minutes later, Woody Johnson pulling.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Him into the office and canning it. He was already
ready to do it, so he was already walking into
it like, yeah, he's out of here.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
So yeah, I just I looked at it, and I
thought that Rogers sounded like a defeated guy because the
vision that he had just didn't play out the way
he thought it would.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
No, none of it. I mean, let's just rewind back
two years ago and the American flag running out Week
one and then he gets hurt four plays into it.
I mean, if you really want to go back, if
you asked him, hey, what were your thoughts running out
of that tunnel? That that that at that time, Like
you're probably envisioning super Bowl, you're envisioning MVP whatever else. Right,
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all this success, there's an injury. There's not success. You're
losing football team right now, and your coach gets clipped
like this has to your point, Jonice, this couldn't have
gone any worse. I mean, I guess it could. There's
still room. But when you really look at it. There
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is an element of just kind of like this the
reality of life outside of Green Bay, which for the
longest time he had Mike McCarthy, what for thirteen years
whatever it was, you know, than now Matt Lafour, who's
doing a tremendous job. There a lot more stability, that
kind of stuff. It didn't really happen to him the
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same way it's happened to him here injuries happened.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
That's a good point. So on the other side, man.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
No, And I think I think he's seeing the reality.
Like he probably watched Tom go to Tampa and thought like, damn.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
You came up with that this morning. Bruh ain't feeling brighton,
but he had to thank.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
You, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Though not he watched Todd Dooe. He thought like, that's
gonna be me man, Like I'm one of the greats.
I'm one of the first ballot Hall of Famers, and
it's been anything but that. And I also think the
other thing that I wonder is if you guys ever
had a conversation with someone where and then they're in
a position of power and they they literally take your
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like whatever you said that they take something from it
and they immedia apply it moving forward and you're like, oh, well,
I didn't. I didn't know that was gonna happen, you know,
Like in all seriousness, I wonder if if he said
some stuff to Woody and then what he just acted out.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
And that's what I was thinking, but like it wasn't intentionally,
like it was reached out and he was like, hey,
what do you think this.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
And it happened. He's just like, oh, dang, Like I didn't.
I didn't think he which is in a way it's
almost like a betrayal of trust.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Still might not be aware of it, of what he
may have said or done that might have led to
what he.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Fel passing to where what he says, hey, you know
you seemed frustrated on the sideline, Well, I just don't
understand what we're doing sometimes, you know, But whatever, we'll
get it together.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
And he took note of that. I think that's one
hundred percent what it could be. That would be the
most logical reason as to what it could be. And
Rogers probably feels terrible about it too. He might not
be aware of it, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
He seemed pretty aware of the fact that had they
played better, that's.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
One hundred percent had they played better. But but then
that doesn't that lead you to the question of why
get rid of the Hey guy immediately? He is a
defensive minded coach. Why wouldn't you just get rid of
the if you're going to take away the play call
and why not just get rid of the play caller
and bring in the new play caller and go from there.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
The reports that Sallow Wooden fire Hacket, but he was
planning on demoting him, so he was going to bring
in Todd.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Well, then maybe that's the If that's the report, then
maybe that's the reason. What do you mean you're not
going to fire him? You guys are doing it.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
They're not firing Hacket either way. I mean old Brick's
gonna denote him to have doubting call plays. I just wonder,
I wonder if there is an element of again, whatever
he said, what he acts irrational And then now Roger's
in a tough spot because yeah, he's he's probably close
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with the owner in the sense of he's obviously asking
for advice different things like that, but it's also the
guy signing your paychecks.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
So if this is how wrong would you have no
relationship with the guy who's paying your paycheck. Everybody will
want to have a relationship with the person that.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
But I think what I'm saying is the issue now
becomes like he might be looking back on going I
gotta be careful what I say optics of it. Yeah, No,
I got what you're saying. Yeah, I have to get
careful what I say to him, because he might act
out irrationally. He might do something like this. Whereas in
the past, Like again, if you go back to Green Bay,
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even if he spoke to someone on the board with
the Packers, it wasn't They weren't going to make a
decision like this with a snap of their fingers. That's
not how the packers operate the Jets. When you have
a majority owner like this, they can So he might
be even a reevaluating how he's looking at his relationship
with Biddy Johnson or House, he's looking at his relationships
with everyone else. Were like, I'm gotta be careful what
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I say, otherwise it could get out and go somewhere
and it leads to this, and he's like, I had
no intentions of this, right, I mean, during the course
of a football season, you go through your ebbs and flows.
There might be a week or two where you hate
your head coach. There might be five weeks where you
love them. Same thing for your oc same thing you're
a quarterback coach. Players might fall way about each other.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Ever, like in my offense there you go see, I
don't ever like in them in the years years year
hated his offense and I hated him damn looking at
him like all right, let's let's give them another chance, fellas.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
And that's the that stinks because you'd like to be
able to have like true balance, yeah, not even bounce,
true love where you're able to love someone to spite
their inequities.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
There there there, whatever it is, their abilities there, you
know their performance. You'd rather be able to love and
fight for them through that, even though it's it's it's
hard to build that a team.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
We did for them, God had very much. There's a
lot of love there either. But like you at all,
I was damn bone there. So your own office is.
Somebody posted a picture your fate on the setlle with
the Jets and said this this sword doesn't explain at all.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
I had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
But you definitely.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
I didn't throw a ball for you guys. All I
try to do is make sure a rookie was getting
prepared for stuff. So right, I blame I wish, I
wish I could have played a role one way or another.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
I blame all of you, but I didn't have I
didn't have anything to do with it, right, you people
still blame you people, y'all. Roll you're you're man.
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Speaker 2 (19:21):
So we've got teams in the NFL that are trying
to figure out what the plan is moving forward. The
New York Jets just decided we're gonna go ahead and
get rid of our head coach.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
He's got to go.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Meanwhile, the Las Vegas Raiders, they've identified one of their
big issues, and one of their big issues is a quarterback,
Gardner Minshew. Apparently he's the problem. Aidan O'Connell will be
the starter now.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
So LeVar, well, no, I know how Q feels about it,
so we'll let you have it.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Well, I just want to know what Antonio is talking
about this.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
You never like leading off? Huh No, I don't. Do
you like seeing the picture? Get a few, like get
a batteran then you like going up there?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
And I mean, I'd just like to hear what you
have to say.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
I mean, I guess what I'd have to say is
I'm not as close with the head coach of the
Las Vegas Raiders, me neither closer than I am.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Uh yeah, probably, so that's true.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
I don't talk to him about these affairs. I will
simply say this just so we can get to you. Yes,
I don't know how this changes their fortune. I don't
know how this changes anything for them. I think Antoni
appears is in a tough spot. I think this team's
in a tough spot. They didn't address the quarterback position
the way they should have in the offseason, and that's
why they are where they are. But I do find
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it a bit comical. There's a poor report that came
out that said they were going to have a quarterback
competition in practice, and so apparently Abe o'cada won the
quarterback competition in practice. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I mean, I think the first point is the best
point is that they're in a very compromising the coaches
in a compromising position. The team is in a compromise
position because you don't have in my estimation, I think
it's bigger again, I think it's bigger than the quarterback's position.
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I think that they're in need of more altogether as
a team personnel wise, And that's the compromising position that
they're in, is that it's going to take time to put.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
It together, to gel it together.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
And and my biggest question is does AP get enough
time to see that through or is it looked at
and discussed as though he, you know, he's not the
person for the job. And then they bring somebody else in,
and then you have to say, that becomes the question
for the new guy that comes in because the problem,
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just like the quarterback issue, not being addressed or not
being changed by whichever one is starting, neither does changing
the head coach, whoever comes in there or or him
currently at head coach. There has to be an assertive
effort to improve this team personnel wise in order for
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them to take especially especially being in the AFC West.
That's my take on it. I mean, I don't think
O'Connell or minshew, I don't think they rectify the situation.
And once again, it's kind of if I'm being honest,
it kind of continues the theme. It's one of those
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organizations that's been in disarray. It's one of those organizations
that has has had a culture that isn't conducive towards
having great success. It's been a long long time, and
so to me, you know, can Antonio pears with the
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group of people he's brought in there to help assist
him and consult him, Can they turned the culture of
the Las Vegas Raiders? Can they turn it around? And
can they turn it around in enough time where he's
able to maintain his job. I think that's the biggest question.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
They just always feel like they're in this perpetual state
of no man's land, to where they're not good enough
to be a legitimate playoff contender or Super Bowl threat,
and they're not bad enough to get a high enough
draft pick to get a really good quarterback. Because obviously
they would have loved to have had Jaden Daniels, they
would have loved to have had Michael Pennix junior, sure,
and then they just were picking too far back, and
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it's almost like, if you guys could just suck a
little bit more, maybe you'd have an opportunity at one
of these guys. And the fan base is still scrambling
and looking for answers. But it goes back to and
we tried to tell us. We tried to tell Roberto
when he was here, you're gonna miss Derek Carr when
he's gone. You're gonna miss him when he's gone. Oh no,
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don't like that, don't no, don't do that. I got
to defend Bert here to defend himself. If Derek Carr
still the type of dude you are, though, Jonas well, now,
if Derek Carr is still there, I mean, in my defense.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
It was Roberto who was attacking me for making those
claims that he would miss Derek Carr. So Jonas is
only echoing when I told Roberto very true. Look, if
Roberto had his choice, there would be no one on
the field, no one coaching, because he would tell them
to fire their ass or bench their ass.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
And the only time Berto talked to us is after
the Raiders games, you know, adoring them or right before them.
That's the only time at least to me. I talked
to him last night and there you go. Exactly invited
me out to an October Fest drinking exit.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
You know what, together all the people.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
He would have thought, I.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Would invited you anything where there wasn't drinking involved.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
What what involves not drinking?
Speaker 5 (24:42):
I don't know. I mean drivingly, driving involves not drinking.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I mean I invited him to a pre joint. I
invited practice you know, drinking there.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
But we were fried. Yeah, we were fried while we
were there, though there was before, right, so that you know.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
And also I would say that if Derek Carr was
still there, then we're probably not having these issues with
DeVante Adams.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Antonio Peers, I don't know. Weren't the issues bubbling up
while he was still there that he might not want
to be there?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
No, yes, that was no car was gone and then
Josh McDaniels was the problem.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
That's correct. There you go, yeah, you're right, Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
So Antonio Piers discussed the status of DeVante Adams yesterday.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
It sounded like this.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
On the Adams situation and how quickly do you want
to get a resolution to this so you can kind
of move on what update.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Devanta's doing royal. Hamstring's getting there.
Speaker 8 (25:42):
He's getting closer and closer to get back on the field,
on the practice field and good spirits.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
We talked, you know, so everything's good.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Any scenario where he can returns.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
He's still a Raider. He's never not been a Raider.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
Yeah, actually playing again for the Raiders, He's still a Raider.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
When he's healthy and he can play it, we'll playing.
He's not healthy right now, and he's getting closer though.
That's a good part. He's working every day to get
that hamster's right. He's in the right handspace mentally. Like
I said, we talked recently and had a good conversation.
He's ready to play football.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Has he been rehabbing here?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
An seen him here?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
He seems a little over it.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
There seems to be a chance that zie Porter was
trying to point out that when he is back one
hundred percent healthy, it may just coincide with the trade.
You know, it may just it may just be where
he is back one hundred percent healthy, just not practicing
him playing for the Raiders. It would make sense if
he wants to be traded and it just so happens
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that hamstring magically is prepared and he's healthy, but it's
just in time for a trade. That would make a
lot of sense purely.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
That would also make sense if he doesn't because he
has been connected to injury in the past. That if
the trade, if they're trying to actively trade him, and
he's aware of the fact that maybe the asking price
is too high, that he needs to get his ass
back on the field and play so that his value
doesn't plummet or torpedo through the floor. That could be
(27:14):
I mean, that could have been just understanding how the
landscape all works.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
I mean, well, I guess why does he care about
his value? He's getting paid the cards.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
He is getting paid regardless. But if I look at
it like this, beyond beyond this season, beyond this season,
if you want to try to get up out of there,
keep playing, continue to keep keep playing, try to raise
your value, show that you want to continue to play,
I don't. I mean, I know NBA guys do do it,
(27:44):
you know, But I just think that if you can't
get a trade, if there's no trade in sight, like
I tell you, there is no trade in sight. So
do you want to try to play out a hamstring
injury for the rest of the season, or do you
want to get out here and play and try to
keep your value up. That's to me, that's how I
(28:04):
would be.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Look, Collins just went on IR for a hamstring injury,
but I would say this, here's here's the problem with
all that is, you know, Devonte's age plays a factor too,
and his injury history which you mentioned. So there's also
the other side of like, are you going to go
out there and keep playing risk injury and the potential
of you know, that trade value diminishing altogether cold because
(28:25):
you get injured again, or being more you know, diminishing
goods at your age. So it's it's to me, it's
more on the raiders of like, well, you didn't trade
up when you should have to get a quarterback. Now
you've got Devanta Adams, You've got a trade deadline. It's
not that soon, but it's coming. And if you want
to give a team that is looking for a wide receiver,
(28:46):
where it's the Jets, Saints, Bills, whoever are throwing the conversation,
if you want to get a deal done, get a
deal done, because otherwise if you wait till after the season,
he's a year older, he's a he's already through another season.
It's it's not going to drive up the value for him.
And there's gonna be receivers that come into the draft.
There's gonna be free agent wide receivers that you're in
competition with. Right now, Right now is arguably the best
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time for the Raiders to try to get something back
in return. And unfortunately, it's probably gonna be like a
third and a fifth or sixth. That's probably what it's
gonna come down to.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
There's a better chance he plays for the Las Vegas
Aces this year than he does rators again winning it
is Yeah, that's true. That is to me, that's true.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
It is over for him in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
But we do have updated odds. Do we have any
game show gambling music we can play for these updated
Davante Adams next Destination trade odds?
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Here?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
This is the best game show music song too, bat
the Wing? So hell no, damn.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
She he said, hel no, hell no.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
All right, So where do we want to see you?
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Guys?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Wanna throw a team out and see what the betting
odds are. Courtesy of our friends at DraftKings. The updated
spot will go one at a time. Kind of can
take turns?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Can I have the first one?
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Who you want?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
The New York Jetay, they are the favorite, Mike, Yeah,
the Saints plus eight hundred. There's a team that's actually
more favored than these Saints with better odds in the
New Orleans or shorter odds I should.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Say than the New Orleans shorter than the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Hm hmm, Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
The Buffalo Bills are ten to one.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Okay, Now it should be pointed out here that the
description and the details on this on these odds on
DraftKings are which team he takes his first snap with
Devanta Adams does after the NFL trade deadline.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
All right, let's.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Raiders in the mix.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
They are The Raiders are in the mix at plus
three hundred.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
That's so fa, that's where he got. Yeah, that's that's
where he tries. I was going to say it was
a bit of a trick, but.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I was right because I was going to be like
that was like rhetoric, you know, or rhetorically speaking, if
I would have said the Raiders, why would you? Or
even being you know, kind of sarcastic, I was going
to say the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
But even if they look at it and go, well,
if he's injured, you know his trade value. We can't
get a three form. We can only get a four.
It's like, just get what you can get. Like if
he wants to be gone and you want to move on,
then then move on. What about Washington?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I was about to say, what about the commanders because
they were going after They are not listed here.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Oh no, what about Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Pittsburgh not listed here? It only shows one full of teams. Uh,
it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
The chiefs are to be an interesting one way down.
That would be an interesting place for him to go though.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
But what's interesting about it is that, let's on your list, Joe. Okay,
So the odds two days ago, two days were the
Jets at minus one okay one. I don't know if
the Roberts solid firing had anything to do with it,
but they've now gone to minus two hundred turn that
and so some of the teams.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Have kind of fallen, being the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
So a couple of days ago before the Roberts solid firing,
let's take it so long to get to that? Can
you just give us because the give us a list
and then we can go through that. Do you want
the most recent or the ones previous to.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
That most recent? Right, give us the what date is
the most most.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Recent Jets minus two hundred, Raiders plus three hundred Baltimore
Ravens plus four you go, Ravens, there, you go, come on,
Saints plus eight hundreds, and the Bills tend to watch.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
We said the Bills, Yeah, the Bills could really use it.
You said Bills attend to one. You didn't say that
they're the fourth best team.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
You didn't say that. You said it like it was
really way down there, like.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
One, Listen, I'm hosting this game show. I can say
whatever the hell that I want.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Yeah, that's a expense.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
That's the off air jon As, I know.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, so that's why you never got that prices, right,
job damn? And you know, based on never alone, Yeah, no,
based on what based on some people that have posted
that that show. You know, that's a job you want,
you know, it just depends on a lot of stuff
(33:23):
out there. By the way, the Steelers were once a
part of this list. They have now seen we mentioned
mentioned them. Yeah, they've fallen off.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
I mean we mentioned every possible team. I mean the Cowboys,
we throw the Cowboys in there, because lord knows, the
Dallas are throwing these things.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
A couple of days ago, they were there at fourteen.
Go see, Like, by the way, it's such craft, they
no reason to.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Go after but I mean because of injuries to Cooks.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
But that's just it's drafts. It's not just DraftKings. Everybody
does that. They'll throw the Cowboys in there because it'll
generate a conversation around it, that's all it is. Like,
there's no chance that the Cowboys are going to make
a move for him. So it is interesting though that
after the firing, the odds for the Jets increased one
of from minus one fifty to minus two hundred.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
So interesting.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Maybe Woody Johnson's desperate enough to where he's like, all right,
I've made this big splash move. Now I'm gonna go
all in. And if it's not going to be this year,
it's not going to be any year. And maybe they
bring in DeVonta Adams that way, so who knows. But
point is, he ain't playing for the Raiders again. We
can pretty much guarantee that. And by the way, if
you doubt us, you know, we could just go straight
(34:30):
to Antonio Pierce for that sort of answer.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Oh yeah, the show sure can nice.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Whatt you hit him up?
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Right now?
Speaker 3 (34:37):
What do you think he's doing?
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Huh? Now were in season? I ain't playing that game.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 2 (34:51):
Right now, we welcome in Albert Breers, senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the MMQB. And also you see him.
He actually is the star of Amazon's Thursday night coverage
on Amazon Prime there for the NFL ab. What's happening?
Speaker 9 (35:07):
Good morning to you, Good morning guys, how we're doing.
That's quite the introduction, Jonas, thank you. I don't know
if all that's true, or even if any of it's true,
but I appreciated Listen.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Now we'll just roll with it, at least for today.
To your knowledge, best of your knowing enough, Oh yeah, superstar, superstar. Now,
to the best of your knowledge, what happened with Robert
Sala in New York? And how did this whole thing
go down a couple.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Of days ago?
Speaker 9 (35:32):
I mean, my understanding guys, is that this was a
one person decision that what he went in and fired him.
That conversation was not very long. There was one on
one that wasn't much of an explanation and that was that.
And so, like I know, there's been a lot of
speculation about Aaron Rodgers involvement in this and everything else.
(35:54):
It's just not what it was. You know, this was
this was an ownership decision, and I I know it
left a lot of people inside that organization stunned. And
I think mostly because I think the question is being
asked now is what exactly does this solve? How does
this solve what was wrong with the team because the
defense is playing really well. You know, you have a
(36:16):
defensive coordinator Jeff Ulbrick, who was doing a really nice job.
The issues were on offense, but I know solid vision
to turn play calling over to Todd Downing before this happened.
So like I understand wanting to shake things up and
make a change, and I'm not happy with where things are.
And my friends in London just saw me get embarrassed
(36:37):
and you know, taught them and all that different stuff.
But you know, in the end, functionally, I think the
question a lot of people in that building are asking
is what exactly is does this solve? How does this
make us better? And you know, I think the feeling
is it doesn't really solve anything on offense, and it
could make you with a defense because now you've taken
the defensive coordinator and Jeff Ulbrick and made him the
(36:59):
head coach and so like you're you know, obstensibly making
your your defensive staff a little less deep and sort
of splitting leadership up there. So yeah, I mean, you know,
they obviously weren't playing to their potential, but I you know,
I'm also not quite sure what this saws that would
agree with the people with that sentiment that out of
(37:20):
that building.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
You know, it's interesting hearing you say that. I kind
of felt similar based on a lot of the things
that have come out Albert that you know, this is
more of an ownership deal, and Levar's talked a lot
about with just the dysfunction and helped poor. The ownership's
really been in New York for quite some time, and
I guess I want to ask about the timing of it.
You touched on the whole UK presence. You know, we
(37:44):
talked about his past being an ambassador in the UK,
But wouldn't have made more sense to wait for the
buye I know it's late, or to wait for maybe
a different opponent as opposed to making this change up
now with a divisional opponent coming up, the best one
in their division.
Speaker 9 (38:00):
Yeah, and that's Ambassador Johnson to you, Brady. No, I uh,
I like, I agree, you know, and I we've seen
these things happen in coming out of London before too,
you know, like it's not the first time. And I
know if you go back and the Raiders did it once,
(38:21):
the Dolphins I think did it once where they fire
coaching mid season coming out of London, and you know,
these owners a lot of times it's a lot simpler
than people make it out to me, where it's just
they come back and they're embarrassed by what happened over there.
They think their business, their brand over there, they have
all these big ideas and then you know, they go
and lose a football game. So you know, I I
I wish I could tell you that there's there's there's
(38:43):
more to it than that, but maybe there isn't, you know,
because this does not make sense from a timing standpoint either,
because I mean, you look at where they are right now.
They're going into a Monday night game against the Bills,
and you know, like this is for first place in
the division, because the Bills have not pulled away. They
had a chance to at three and zero, but they've
lost a couple of games in a row. And the
(39:06):
other way I look at it is that could be
kind of a toxic environment and he's throw other fird
on Monday night, and God, what happens if you lose
that game? Now, if you played your last card, you
know what I mean? Like, I think that that's sort
of the problem with the timing of it. And again,
it's not like Robert lost a team.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
You know, It's just he was a.
Speaker 9 (39:25):
Love figure in that building and I know how the
players and the staff there felt about him. And you know,
I think sometimes these things are warranted because a coach
loses the locker room or the you know, a team's
kind of falling flat with you know, the way it's playing,
and it's not there's not energy. That wasn't the case here.
They just weren't playing to their potential. They just weren't
(39:46):
playing particularly well. But I don't think there's a team
that needed a spar you know, and so I think
now you're you're sort of left it where you know,
you've put Break in a tough position to to to
get pointed in the right direction with all these people
asking all these questions and again like if you take
(40:07):
one on the chin from Buffalo on Monday night, I
mean now challenging spot.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Yeah, I tend to agree with you. I think it's
a it's a no win situation for I call him,
you're it right now, let's transition for me to to
Las Vegas.
Speaker 9 (40:24):
A B.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
What how do you see this this playing out with
the latest you know being you know, coach Antonio Pierce
saying that he, you know, Davante Adams is healing up,
he's he's feeling better and if he's able to play,
he's going to play. Like is that tongue in cheek
or is that posturing?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Like?
Speaker 3 (40:43):
What what's what's the information you have as it pertains
to what's going on there?
Speaker 5 (40:47):
And you know what?
Speaker 9 (40:49):
Yeah, I mean I think part of it is if
Davante wants to get once he know what he wants here, right,
which is a trade to the Jets, then I think
that he does have to play ball with the Raiders
a little bit, and the Raiders still do have some
control over this situation. Now, I think we all know
that any team bringing in a guy with Davante's stature,
(41:13):
who's turning thirty two, who's making the money that he's making,
wants to want to know before I'm fourteen over a
draft picks for him that he's going to be on board.
So that's the Vante's level of control. But I mean,
look like the Raiders can look at this and say
they still the guy under contract for the next two years.
We can trade him after the season if we want to.
(41:33):
That'll be much harder because now you know, you'll be
looking at thirty six million dollars for twenty twenty five,
But you still have that that you control is right
for the next two years, you know. And look like
there's part of this too where you know his draft
pick value isn't as such where it's like, yeah, we
have to do this, you know, like you're not going
(41:54):
to bring home a first round pick for him. I
think most teams would not give up a second round
pick for him. So if you're talking about a three
or four, it's not like it's not like it's like
a franchise altering decision to turn down something like that. So,
you know, I think DeVante, look if he's if he's
smart about this, and he's a pretty smart guy, you know,
(42:15):
I think he knows he's got to play ball with
the Raiders a little bit, and you know, and and
and and be a good soldier here in the short term,
to try to facilitate a trade between now and November first,
and to try to have them play ball with him,
and and and have them trade him to a place
that he'd like to go.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Albert brew joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Where
do we stand on Russell Wilson potentially getting the nod
this week for the Steelers.
Speaker 9 (42:41):
Well, he practiced h fully yesterday, which is a big step.
And you know, Mike Tomlins said earlier in the week,
like how he comes out of the first full participation
practice would be a good marker. But they're still preparing
justin Field to start. And as I've told you guys,
as I've told you guys all along there, there's a
sentiment in that building is stick with Justin Fields. And
(43:03):
there's a sentiment in that building that Justin Fields is
the best option for the team right now. And Arthur
smith Field's really good about where he and the offensive
staff have gotten fields and where they're going with fields
now and how much better he can get over the
next couple of months. So you know, there there are
two roads they can take here. I think the merit
(43:26):
to going with Russell Wilson is that you can always
go back to fields, whereas if you just go with
fields here, then.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
You know, then you know.
Speaker 9 (43:34):
I think it's really at that point you're probably saying
that's hit for Russell Wilson as the starting quarter as
having a shot to be the starting quarterback here you know,
or you can or you can just go with fields now,
So there's merit to doing both things. I think the
idea of going with Russell would be you kind of
get two cracks at it, then you get a crack
Russell and you can go back to Justin, whereas with
(43:55):
Justin you go with him now, you're all in with him.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Get him on X at Albert Breers in your NFL reporter,
lead content strategists at the mm QB and, as we
pointed out, the star of Amazon's NFL on Prime Com
every single Thursday night, we'll be watching later AB and
we'll think next week.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
All right.
Speaker 9 (44:12):
Thanks, good weekend, Good luck to those too.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
You got a game this week, it's a good one.
It'll be fun.
This is the best of two pros and a couple
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
We are off and running here on a Thursday morning,
and we've got more the same when it comes to
the topic of conversation at hand. We've got Week six
in the NFL kicking off later on tonight, which we
will discuss.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
But we've also.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Got the aftermath of a week five firing of a
head coach in the NFL by the name of Robert
Sala and the dysfunctional disaster that is the New York Jets.
Everybody was wanting to hear from Aaron Rodgers and get
his take on just exactly what went down and what
his thoughts were, and so Rogers made an appearance on
(00:53):
the Pat McAfee show starring A J. Hawk yesterday, and
here was some snippet of his conversation with Pat with
aj about how he felt about the situation and also
the dialogue he may or may not have had with
Woody Johnson.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yesterday was a day that reminds you of the simple
fact that all of us who played know all too well,
and that's that it's a tough business. It's a beautiful profession,
it's incredible, it's done so much for our lives, but
it's also a really tough business. I love coach Sala.
He was a big reason why I came to the Jets.
(01:33):
You know, I felt like the team, you know, was
a solid team. Everything that Matt Lafleur said about him,
the few interactions I've had, the times that we went
against him, I just had a lot of respect for him.
As far as any of the ridiculous allegations out there,
I'm not going to spend more than one sentence in
response to it, and that is that I resent any
(01:55):
of those accusations because they're patently falls. I did talk
to Woody Would. He called me on Monday night. We
had a short conversation and he just asked me how
I was doing. You know, obviously I got rolled up
on the game. My ankle got pretty banged up. So
he just called and was asking how I was doing.
Wood he has no obligation to let me know of
what his plans are. Whether or not he knew what
he was doing in that moment is inconsequential. We need
(02:18):
as players to take accountability for what's happened. I think
that's the thing that hits you too in the moment,
is if I'd played better on Sunday, this doesn't happen.
And as somebody who takes a lot of pride in
their performance, that was the main sentiment for me yesterday.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
So there was a little bit of Aaron Rodgers from
the pat back of the show, who once our first stuff.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Oh you could stab it first, yeah, staff, Yeah, I
mean I felt like he was pretty open. Honest. I
don't think he had anything to do with Woody Johnson
making this decision. It didn't. It didn't seem like that
I and I think people often times over state the
power of a player. He acknowledged that he talked a
(03:04):
lot about that. Obviously, we're just giving you, you know,
thirty seconds of soundbites. If you watch the entire interview,
you know, you can tell he was It seemed like
he was caught off guard by it too. It seemed
like he felt like he had an adversary there and
Robert Sala, which if you think about it, you know,
(03:25):
there probably was no one who was a bigger advocate
for Rogers being there than Robert sala I mean, I
know It's hard to imagine this, but remember the first
year he got there. I mean, Robert Sala was a
giddy It was almost like over the top, just so
excited about the fact they had a quarterback, something that
hampered him during his tenure there to that point. Then
(03:47):
the injury happens, and then they get into this year,
and despite everything else that went on, he still feel
like they had a shot because the quarterback. Now, you know,
I don't know if their relationship took a hit or
didn't take a hit. All I know is it seemed
like he was rather sincere. He talked a lot about
Robert as a man, as a family man, about his family,
(04:10):
that people who are impacted by this, So, you know,
listening to the entire interview, I didn't come away thinking,
you know, and then look, I think he would have
been the type to be open if he was a
part of it, or say things that you could read
between the lines. That wasn't the case here. And I
think when you you know, and just relating to what
(04:31):
he said. You know, Ty Willinghams, who I went to
play for in college. I remember when he got fired
after my sophomore year. I felt awful. I felt like
I was, you know, mostly to blame for because I'm
a quarterback and that that's how things work. And that
was one of the toughest times for me in my
life because it was the first time I'd really been
through something like that before, where you know, you feel
(04:53):
accountable or responsible for not playing well enough to help
your coach, help your co staff retain their jobs. And
it was tough walking on campus. It was tough. You know,
would other guys be going out on weekends and stuff
I wasn't I did. I didn't feel like I had
earned that right to be able to go out and
have fun and all that. Like, I feel like there
(05:14):
was still work to do. And you know, there's a
lot of truth in what he said, you know, if
he played better, if they win that game, this didn't happening.
So it's it's kind of crazy to think that. Like
the impacts of a game in London, right, a game
where I feel like most of us, they go over there,
they play early. If you're on the West coast, I
don't even know if you see the game because it's
(05:35):
so early on the East Coast. Kind of I kind
of love it. It's cool we wake up watching football,
but it feels like it's like a I don't know,
and it's like other destinations, you don't really care about
it as much. Apparently it was that meaningful to Woody
Johnson because of his past ambassadorship to the UK or
(05:58):
because of his you know, wealthy friends, or whatever the
case is. It seemed like that came the toping of
that game and where it was had more to do
it than anything else.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
The fact that it's a conversation point and that he
is either willing to address or is forced to address,
whichever one, whichever side he fell on when he decided
to address it, I think there's that's the start of
you know, the issue of it all is the fact
(06:32):
that he had to come out and speak on it,
which means that it's directly pinpointed on him, fair or
not fair. That's that's the that's the case here. I
think also looking at it, when listening to the way
he's he's kind of discussing it, you know, you just
you just start to wonder, you know, and in the
(06:55):
sense of him having to to address it, as I'm mentioned,
and and him having to be open about, you know,
his his personal situation with the coach. It speaks to
his level of relevance.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
For one.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It also speaks to him making sure that he's trying
to clear himself of any culpability to the scenario directly
being related to him doing it. So it led me
to the next thought, He's right, he doesn't, you know,
Woody Johnson doesn't have to to disclose to him what
(07:37):
he's going to do. I just find it strange. I
find it strange that Woody Johnson would fire him after
five games if Aaron Rodgers indeed loves Robert Salah, because
I don't think that Aaron Rodgers would be the only
one that would come out and say how much he
(07:58):
respects or has love for the man and the coach.
They're doing poorly. They're doing poorly as a team. If
you're doing poorly as a team and Aaron Rodgers is
your quarterback and he's playing, it just makes me wonder.
Is it the interactions between him and Rogers on the field.
(08:20):
Is it his interactions with the media and how he's
responded to things that are taking place that have become
major news headlines in sports media. There's a reason why
wood he had this, If we want to call it
knee jerk reaction to what happened when they went overseas
to play, or if we want to call it something
(08:40):
that he's been thinking about he's been teetering on. I
don't know what side of it that Woody Johnson falls
on as to why he made the decision, but nonetheless
he made the decision. And the word that keeps coming
out of Aaron Rodgers' mouth, which I think is very relevant,
is accountability. You know, everybody has to be accountable for
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the fact that the Jets are underperforming, and none more
so than the owner of the team to be more
accountable for what it is that's taking place. So to me,
I think the decision did not does not make this
team a better team, unless we're saying that the decisions
that were being discussed by Salah still as the head
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coach are maybe the direction you're going in and trying
to figure out a new play caller. I still don't
think in season game five, I just don't think that
that move improves the forecast of this team, like Woody
Johnson said and his quotes, so I don't know if
this clears you know, him going on in media, Aaron
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Rodgers going to media clears him of being blamed for this,
or if that salvages anything that could have been maybe
broken in the locker room. I mean, I appreciate it. It
did sound candidate me. I'll say that I appreciate the
fact that he's he's always talking about what what he thinks,
and he didn't, you know, shy away from it this
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time as well. I take it at face value what
he said. I just wonder if the if the damage,
if the collateral damage of this is already done, even
with him providing clarity as to what his involvement or
lack thereof to this scenario, you know what, what the
impact of that all is what?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
And I thought he came off since here as well too.
One of the things that I thought he said later
on in the interview that was telling to me is
when he said, look, regardless of you know, however you
know this was handled, there was going to need to
be some changes. And it was almost like an admission
on his part that, yeah, offensively, with Nathaniel Hackett calling
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plays whatever it is, there's going to need to be
some changes. And and the report is that there's going
to be changes that Jeff Olbrick is going to you know,
Todd Downing is going to be the play caller. Last
I had heard, and that, you know, Thaniel Hackett'll take
a step back in his role and his duty. And
I Rogers came off to me as someone who felt
really disappointed that it didn't work out with Robert Sala,
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but I think also professional and weathered enough in the
business to realize, man, this was always the possibility. I
just wish it went differently. I just wish we would
have played better, or there would have been a better result,
or I wouldn't have gotten hurt four games into the season,
because to me, and when people try to put together well,
(11:38):
you know, he had a conversation with Woody Johnson and
then afterwards, you know, there was a conversation with Robert Sala,
letting people know that Nathaniel Hackett was going to be out,
and then five minutes later he was fired. Like Rogers
even said in the interview, like I was in the
training room getting medical attention, and then all of a sudden,
phones started ringing everywhere, and next thing you know, Robert
(12:00):
Sala was gone. Like I find it hard to believe
that he had a meeting with the coaches announced that
Nathaniel Hackett was going to take a step back from
play calling duties, and then that's what triggered a five
minutes later, Woody Johnson pulling.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Him into the office and canning it. He was already
ready to do it, so he was already walking into
it like, yeah, he's out of here.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
So yeah, I just I looked at it, and I
thought that Rogers sounded like a defeated guy because the
vision that he had just didn't play out the way
he thought it would.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
No, none of it. I mean, let's just rewind back
two years ago and the American flag running out Week
one and then he gets hurt four plays into it.
I mean, if you really want to go back, if
you asked him, hey, what were your thoughts running out
of that tunnel? That that that at that time, Like
you're probably envisioning super Bowl, you're envisioning MVP whatever else. Right,
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all this success, there's an injury. There's not success. You're
losing football team right now, and your coach gets clipped
like this has to your point, Jonice, this couldn't have
gone any worse. I mean, I guess it could. There's
still room. But when you really look at it. There
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is an element of just kind of like this the
reality of life outside of Green Bay, which for the
longest time he had Mike McCarthy, what for thirteen years
whatever it was, you know, than now Matt Lafour, who's
doing a tremendous job. There a lot more stability, that
kind of stuff. It didn't really happen to him the
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same way it's happened to him here injuries happened.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
That's a good point. So on the other side, man.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
No, And I think I think he's seeing the reality.
Like he probably watched Tom go to Tampa and thought like, damn.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
You came up with that this morning. Bruh ain't feeling brighton,
but he had to thank.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
You, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Though not he watched Todd Dooe. He thought like, that's
gonna be me man, Like I'm one of the greats.
I'm one of the first ballot Hall of Famers, and
it's been anything but that. And I also think the
other thing that I wonder is if you guys ever
had a conversation with someone where and then they're in
a position of power and they they literally take your
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like whatever you said that they take something from it
and they immedia apply it moving forward and you're like, oh, well,
I didn't. I didn't know that was gonna happen, you know,
Like in all seriousness, I wonder if if he said
some stuff to Woody and then what he just acted out.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
And that's what I was thinking, but like it wasn't intentionally,
like it was reached out and he was like, hey,
what do you think this.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
And it happened. He's just like, oh, dang, Like I didn't.
I didn't think he which is in a way it's
almost like a betrayal of trust.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Still might not be aware of it, of what he
may have said or done that might have led to
what he.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Fel passing to where what he says, hey, you know
you seemed frustrated on the sideline, Well, I just don't
understand what we're doing sometimes, you know, But whatever, we'll
get it together.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
And he took note of that. I think that's one
hundred percent what it could be. That would be the
most logical reason as to what it could be. And
Rogers probably feels terrible about it too. He might not
be aware of it, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
He seemed pretty aware of the fact that had they
played better, that's.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
One hundred percent had they played better. But but then
that doesn't that lead you to the question of why
get rid of the Hey guy immediately? He is a
defensive minded coach. Why wouldn't you just get rid of
the if you're going to take away the play call
and why not just get rid of the play caller
and bring in the new play caller and go from there.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
The reports that Sallow Wooden fire Hacket, but he was
planning on demoting him, so he was going to bring
in Todd.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Well, then maybe that's the If that's the report, then
maybe that's the reason. What do you mean you're not
going to fire him? You guys are doing it.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
They're not firing Hacket either way. I mean old Brick's
gonna denote him to have doubting call plays. I just wonder,
I wonder if there is an element of again, whatever
he said, what he acts irrational And then now Roger's
in a tough spot because yeah, he's he's probably close
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with the owner in the sense of he's obviously asking
for advice different things like that, but it's also the
guy signing your paychecks.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
So if this is how wrong would you have no
relationship with the guy who's paying your paycheck. Everybody will
want to have a relationship with the person that.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
But I think what I'm saying is the issue now
becomes like he might be looking back on going I
gotta be careful what I say optics of it. Yeah, No,
I got what you're saying. Yeah, I have to get
careful what I say to him, because he might act
out irrationally. He might do something like this. Whereas in
the past, Like again, if you go back to Green Bay,
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even if he spoke to someone on the board with
the Packers, it wasn't They weren't going to make a
decision like this with a snap of their fingers. That's
not how the packers operate the Jets. When you have
a majority owner like this, they can So he might
be even a reevaluating how he's looking at his relationship
with Biddy Johnson or House, he's looking at his relationships
with everyone else. Were like, I'm gotta be careful what
(17:23):
I say, otherwise it could get out and go somewhere
and it leads to this, and he's like, I had
no intentions of this, right, I mean, during the course
of a football season, you go through your ebbs and flows.
There might be a week or two where you hate
your head coach. There might be five weeks where you
love them. Same thing for your oc same thing you're
a quarterback coach. Players might fall way about each other.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Ever, like in my offense there you go see, I
don't ever like in them in the years years year
hated his offense and I hated him damn looking at
him like all right, let's let's give them another chance, fellas.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
And that's the that stinks because you'd like to be
able to have like true balance, yeah, not even bounce,
true love where you're able to love someone to spite
their inequities.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
There there there, whatever it is, their abilities there, you
know their performance. You'd rather be able to love and
fight for them through that, even though it's it's it's
hard to build that a team.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
We did for them, God had very much. There's a
lot of love there either. But like you at all,
I was damn bone there. So your own office is.
Somebody posted a picture your fate on the setlle with
the Jets and said this this sword doesn't explain at all.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
I had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
But you definitely.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
I didn't throw a ball for you guys. All I
try to do is make sure a rookie was getting
prepared for stuff. So right, I blame I wish, I
wish I could have played a role one way or another.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
I blame all of you, but I didn't have I
didn't have anything to do with it, right, you people
still blame you people, y'all. Roll you're you're man.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
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Speaker 2 (19:21):
So we've got teams in the NFL that are trying
to figure out what the plan is moving forward. The
New York Jets just decided we're gonna go ahead and
get rid of our head coach.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
He's got to go.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Meanwhile, the Las Vegas Raiders, they've identified one of their
big issues, and one of their big issues is a quarterback,
Gardner Minshew. Apparently he's the problem. Aidan O'Connell will be
the starter now.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
So LeVar, well, no, I know how Q feels about it,
so we'll let you have it.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Well, I just want to know what Antonio is talking
about this.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
You never like leading off? Huh No, I don't. Do
you like seeing the picture? Get a few, like get
a batteran then you like going up there?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
And I mean, I'd just like to hear what you
have to say.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
I mean, I guess what I'd have to say is
I'm not as close with the head coach of the
Las Vegas Raiders, me neither closer than I am.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Uh yeah, probably, so that's true.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
I don't talk to him about these affairs. I will
simply say this just so we can get to you. Yes,
I don't know how this changes their fortune. I don't
know how this changes anything for them. I think Antoni
appears is in a tough spot. I think this team's
in a tough spot. They didn't address the quarterback position
the way they should have in the offseason, and that's
why they are where they are. But I do find
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it a bit comical. There's a poor report that came
out that said they were going to have a quarterback
competition in practice, and so apparently Abe o'cada won the
quarterback competition in practice. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I mean, I think the first point is the best
point is that they're in a very compromising the coaches
in a compromising position. The team is in a compromise
position because you don't have in my estimation, I think
it's bigger again, I think it's bigger than the quarterback's position.
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I think that they're in need of more altogether as
a team personnel wise, And that's the compromising position that
they're in, is that it's going to take time to put.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
It together, to gel it together.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
And and my biggest question is does AP get enough
time to see that through or is it looked at
and discussed as though he, you know, he's not the
person for the job. And then they bring somebody else in,
and then you have to say, that becomes the question
for the new guy that comes in because the problem,
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just like the quarterback issue, not being addressed or not
being changed by whichever one is starting, neither does changing
the head coach, whoever comes in there or or him
currently at head coach. There has to be an assertive
effort to improve this team personnel wise in order for
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them to take especially especially being in the AFC West.
That's my take on it. I mean, I don't think
O'Connell or minshew, I don't think they rectify the situation.
And once again, it's kind of if I'm being honest,
it kind of continues the theme. It's one of those
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organizations that's been in disarray. It's one of those organizations
that has has had a culture that isn't conducive towards
having great success. It's been a long long time, and
so to me, you know, can Antonio pears with the
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group of people he's brought in there to help assist
him and consult him, Can they turned the culture of
the Las Vegas Raiders? Can they turn it around? And
can they turn it around in enough time where he's
able to maintain his job. I think that's the biggest question.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
They just always feel like they're in this perpetual state
of no man's land, to where they're not good enough
to be a legitimate playoff contender or Super Bowl threat,
and they're not bad enough to get a high enough
draft pick to get a really good quarterback. Because obviously
they would have loved to have had Jaden Daniels, they
would have loved to have had Michael Pennix junior, sure,
and then they just were picking too far back, and
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it's almost like, if you guys could just suck a
little bit more, maybe you'd have an opportunity at one
of these guys. And the fan base is still scrambling
and looking for answers. But it goes back to and
we tried to tell us. We tried to tell Roberto
when he was here, you're gonna miss Derek Carr when
he's gone. You're gonna miss him when he's gone. Oh no,
(23:53):
don't like that, don't no, don't do that. I got
to defend Bert here to defend himself. If Derek Carr
still the type of dude you are, though, Jonas well, now,
if Derek Carr is still there, I mean, in my defense.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
It was Roberto who was attacking me for making those
claims that he would miss Derek Carr. So Jonas is
only echoing when I told Roberto very true. Look, if
Roberto had his choice, there would be no one on
the field, no one coaching, because he would tell them
to fire their ass or bench their ass.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
And the only time Berto talked to us is after
the Raiders games, you know, adoring them or right before them.
That's the only time at least to me. I talked
to him last night and there you go. Exactly invited
me out to an October Fest drinking exit.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
You know what, together all the people.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
He would have thought, I.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Would invited you anything where there wasn't drinking involved.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
What what involves not drinking?
Speaker 5 (24:42):
I don't know. I mean drivingly, driving involves not drinking.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I mean I invited him to a pre joint. I
invited practice you know, drinking there.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
But we were fried. Yeah, we were fried while we
were there, though there was before, right, so that you know.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
And also I would say that if Derek Carr was
still there, then we're probably not having these issues with
DeVante Adams.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Antonio Peers, I don't know. Weren't the issues bubbling up
while he was still there that he might not want
to be there?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
No, yes, that was no car was gone and then
Josh McDaniels was the problem.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
That's correct. There you go, yeah, you're right, Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
So Antonio Piers discussed the status of DeVante Adams yesterday.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
It sounded like this.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
On the Adams situation and how quickly do you want
to get a resolution to this so you can kind
of move on what update.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Devanta's doing royal. Hamstring's getting there.
Speaker 8 (25:42):
He's getting closer and closer to get back on the field,
on the practice field and good spirits.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
We talked, you know, so everything's good.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Any scenario where he can returns.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
He's still a Raider. He's never not been a Raider.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
Yeah, actually playing again for the Raiders, He's still a Raider.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
When he's healthy and he can play it, we'll playing.
He's not healthy right now, and he's getting closer though.
That's a good part. He's working every day to get
that hamster's right. He's in the right handspace mentally. Like
I said, we talked recently and had a good conversation.
He's ready to play football.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Has he been rehabbing here?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
An seen him here?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
He seems a little over it.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
There seems to be a chance that zie Porter was
trying to point out that when he is back one
hundred percent healthy, it may just coincide with the trade.
You know, it may just it may just be where
he is back one hundred percent healthy, just not practicing
him playing for the Raiders. It would make sense if
he wants to be traded and it just so happens
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that hamstring magically is prepared and he's healthy, but it's
just in time for a trade. That would make a
lot of sense purely.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
That would also make sense if he doesn't because he
has been connected to injury in the past. That if
the trade, if they're trying to actively trade him, and
he's aware of the fact that maybe the asking price
is too high, that he needs to get his ass
back on the field and play so that his value
doesn't plummet or torpedo through the floor. That could be
(27:14):
I mean, that could have been just understanding how the
landscape all works.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
I mean, well, I guess why does he care about
his value? He's getting paid the cards.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
He is getting paid regardless. But if I look at
it like this, beyond beyond this season, beyond this season,
if you want to try to get up out of there,
keep playing, continue to keep keep playing, try to raise
your value, show that you want to continue to play,
I don't. I mean, I know NBA guys do do it,
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you know, But I just think that if you can't
get a trade, if there's no trade in sight, like
I tell you, there is no trade in sight. So
do you want to try to play out a hamstring
injury for the rest of the season, or do you
want to get out here and play and try to
keep your value up. That's to me, that's how I
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would be.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Look, Collins just went on IR for a hamstring injury,
but I would say this, here's here's the problem with
all that is, you know, Devonte's age plays a factor too,
and his injury history which you mentioned. So there's also
the other side of like, are you going to go
out there and keep playing risk injury and the potential
of you know, that trade value diminishing altogether cold because
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you get injured again, or being more you know, diminishing
goods at your age. So it's it's to me, it's
more on the raiders of like, well, you didn't trade
up when you should have to get a quarterback. Now
you've got Devanta Adams, You've got a trade deadline. It's
not that soon, but it's coming. And if you want
to give a team that is looking for a wide receiver,
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where it's the Jets, Saints, Bills, whoever are throwing the conversation,
if you want to get a deal done, get a
deal done, because otherwise if you wait till after the season,
he's a year older, he's a he's already through another season.
It's it's not going to drive up the value for him.
And there's gonna be receivers that come into the draft.
There's gonna be free agent wide receivers that you're in
competition with. Right now, Right now is arguably the best
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time for the Raiders to try to get something back
in return. And unfortunately, it's probably gonna be like a
third and a fifth or sixth. That's probably what it's
gonna come down to.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
There's a better chance he plays for the Las Vegas
Aces this year than he does rators again winning it
is Yeah, that's true. That is to me, that's true.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
It is over for him in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
But we do have updated odds. Do we have any
game show gambling music we can play for these updated
Davante Adams next Destination trade odds?
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Here?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
This is the best game show music song too, bat
the Wing? So hell no, damn.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
She he said, hel no, hell no.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
All right, So where do we want to see you?
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Guys?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Wanna throw a team out and see what the betting
odds are. Courtesy of our friends at DraftKings. The updated
spot will go one at a time. Kind of can
take turns?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Can I have the first one?
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Who you want?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
The New York Jetay, they are the favorite, Mike, Yeah,
the Saints plus eight hundred. There's a team that's actually
more favored than these Saints with better odds in the
New Orleans or shorter odds I should.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Say than the New Orleans shorter than the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Hm hmm, Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
The Buffalo Bills are ten to one.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Okay, Now it should be pointed out here that the
description and the details on this on these odds on
DraftKings are which team he takes his first snap with
Devanta Adams does after the NFL trade deadline.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
All right, let's.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Raiders in the mix.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
They are The Raiders are in the mix at plus
three hundred.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
That's so fa, that's where he got. Yeah, that's that's
where he tries. I was going to say it was
a bit of a trick, but.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I was right because I was going to be like
that was like rhetoric, you know, or rhetorically speaking, if
I would have said the Raiders, why would you? Or
even being you know, kind of sarcastic, I was going
to say the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
But even if they look at it and go, well,
if he's injured, you know his trade value. We can't
get a three form. We can only get a four.
It's like, just get what you can get. Like if
he wants to be gone and you want to move on,
then then move on. What about Washington?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I was about to say, what about the commanders because
they were going after They are not listed here.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Oh no, what about Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Pittsburgh not listed here? It only shows one full of teams. Uh,
it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
The chiefs are to be an interesting one way down.
That would be an interesting place for him to go though.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
But what's interesting about it is that, let's on your list, Joe. Okay,
So the odds two days ago, two days were the
Jets at minus one okay one. I don't know if
the Roberts solid firing had anything to do with it,
but they've now gone to minus two hundred turn that
and so some of the teams.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Have kind of fallen, being the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
So a couple of days ago before the Roberts solid firing,
let's take it so long to get to that? Can
you just give us because the give us a list
and then we can go through that. Do you want
the most recent or the ones previous to.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
That most recent? Right, give us the what date is
the most most.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Recent Jets minus two hundred, Raiders plus three hundred Baltimore
Ravens plus four you go, Ravens, there, you go, come on,
Saints plus eight hundreds, and the Bills tend to watch.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
We said the Bills, Yeah, the Bills could really use it.
You said Bills attend to one. You didn't say that
they're the fourth best team.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
You didn't say that. You said it like it was
really way down there, like.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
One, Listen, I'm hosting this game show. I can say
whatever the hell that I want.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Yeah, that's a expense.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
That's the off air jon As, I know.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, so that's why you never got that prices, right,
job damn? And you know, based on never alone, Yeah, no,
based on what based on some people that have posted
that that show. You know, that's a job you want,
you know, it just depends on a lot of stuff
(33:23):
out there. By the way, the Steelers were once a
part of this list. They have now seen we mentioned
mentioned them. Yeah, they've fallen off.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
I mean we mentioned every possible team. I mean the Cowboys,
we throw the Cowboys in there, because lord knows, the
Dallas are throwing these things.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
A couple of days ago, they were there at fourteen.
Go see, Like, by the way, it's such craft, they
no reason to.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Go after but I mean because of injuries to Cooks.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
But that's just it's drafts. It's not just DraftKings. Everybody
does that. They'll throw the Cowboys in there because it'll
generate a conversation around it, that's all it is. Like,
there's no chance that the Cowboys are going to make
a move for him. So it is interesting though that
after the firing, the odds for the Jets increased one
of from minus one fifty to minus two hundred.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
So interesting.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Maybe Woody Johnson's desperate enough to where he's like, all right,
I've made this big splash move. Now I'm gonna go
all in. And if it's not going to be this year,
it's not going to be any year. And maybe they
bring in DeVonta Adams that way, so who knows. But
point is, he ain't playing for the Raiders again. We
can pretty much guarantee that. And by the way, if
you doubt us, you know, we could just go straight
(34:30):
to Antonio Pierce for that sort of answer.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Oh yeah, the show sure can nice.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Whatt you hit him up?
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Right now?
Speaker 3 (34:37):
What do you think he's doing?
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Huh? Now were in season? I ain't playing that game.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
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Speaker 2 (34:51):
Right now, we welcome in Albert Breers, senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the MMQB. And also you see him.
He actually is the star of Amazon's Thursday night coverage
on Amazon Prime there for the NFL ab. What's happening?
Speaker 9 (35:07):
Good morning to you, Good morning guys, how we're doing.
That's quite the introduction, Jonas, thank you. I don't know
if all that's true, or even if any of it's true,
but I appreciated Listen.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Now we'll just roll with it, at least for today.
To your knowledge, best of your knowing enough, Oh yeah, superstar, superstar. Now,
to the best of your knowledge, what happened with Robert
Sala in New York? And how did this whole thing
go down a couple.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Of days ago?
Speaker 9 (35:32):
I mean, my understanding guys, is that this was a
one person decision that what he went in and fired him.
That conversation was not very long. There was one on
one that wasn't much of an explanation and that was that.
And so, like I know, there's been a lot of
speculation about Aaron Rodgers involvement in this and everything else.
(35:54):
It's just not what it was. You know, this was
this was an ownership decision, and I I know it
left a lot of people inside that organization stunned. And
I think mostly because I think the question is being
asked now is what exactly does this solve? How does
this solve what was wrong with the team because the
defense is playing really well. You know, you have a
(36:16):
defensive coordinator Jeff Ulbrick, who was doing a really nice job.
The issues were on offense, but I know solid vision
to turn play calling over to Todd Downing before this happened.
So like I understand wanting to shake things up and
make a change, and I'm not happy with where things are.
And my friends in London just saw me get embarrassed
(36:37):
and you know, taught them and all that different stuff.
But you know, in the end, functionally, I think the
question a lot of people in that building are asking
is what exactly is does this solve? How does this
make us better? And you know, I think the feeling
is it doesn't really solve anything on offense, and it
could make you with a defense because now you've taken
the defensive coordinator and Jeff Ulbrick and made him the
(36:59):
head coach and so like you're you know, obstensibly making
your your defensive staff a little less deep and sort
of splitting leadership up there. So yeah, I mean, you know,
they obviously weren't playing to their potential, but I you know,
I'm also not quite sure what this saws that would
agree with the people with that sentiment that out of
(37:20):
that building.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
You know, it's interesting hearing you say that. I kind
of felt similar based on a lot of the things
that have come out Albert that you know, this is
more of an ownership deal, and Levar's talked a lot
about with just the dysfunction and helped poor. The ownership's
really been in New York for quite some time, and
I guess I want to ask about the timing of it.
You touched on the whole UK presence. You know, we
(37:44):
talked about his past being an ambassador in the UK,
But wouldn't have made more sense to wait for the
buye I know it's late, or to wait for maybe
a different opponent as opposed to making this change up
now with a divisional opponent coming up, the best one
in their division.
Speaker 9 (38:00):
Yeah, and that's Ambassador Johnson to you, Brady. No, I uh,
I like, I agree, you know, and I we've seen
these things happen in coming out of London before too,
you know, like it's not the first time. And I
know if you go back and the Raiders did it once,
(38:21):
the Dolphins I think did it once where they fire
coaching mid season coming out of London, and you know,
these owners a lot of times it's a lot simpler
than people make it out to me, where it's just
they come back and they're embarrassed by what happened over there.
They think their business, their brand over there, they have
all these big ideas and then you know, they go
and lose a football game. So you know, I I
I wish I could tell you that there's there's there's
(38:43):
more to it than that, but maybe there isn't, you know,
because this does not make sense from a timing standpoint either,
because I mean, you look at where they are right now.
They're going into a Monday night game against the Bills,
and you know, like this is for first place in
the division, because the Bills have not pulled away. They
had a chance to at three and zero, but they've
lost a couple of games in a row. And the
(39:06):
other way I look at it is that could be
kind of a toxic environment and he's throw other fird
on Monday night, and God, what happens if you lose
that game? Now, if you played your last card, you
know what I mean? Like, I think that that's sort
of the problem with the timing of it. And again,
it's not like Robert lost a team.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
You know, It's just he was a.
Speaker 9 (39:25):
Love figure in that building and I know how the
players and the staff there felt about him. And you know,
I think sometimes these things are warranted because a coach
loses the locker room or the you know, a team's
kind of falling flat with you know, the way it's playing,
and it's not there's not energy. That wasn't the case here.
They just weren't playing to their potential. They just weren't
(39:46):
playing particularly well. But I don't think there's a team
that needed a spar you know, and so I think
now you're you're sort of left it where you know,
you've put Break in a tough position to to to
get pointed in the right direction with all these people
asking all these questions and again like if you take
(40:07):
one on the chin from Buffalo on Monday night, I
mean now challenging spot.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Yeah, I tend to agree with you. I think it's
a it's a no win situation for I call him,
you're it right now, let's transition for me to to
Las Vegas.
Speaker 9 (40:24):
A B.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
What how do you see this this playing out with
the latest you know being you know, coach Antonio Pierce
saying that he, you know, Davante Adams is healing up,
he's he's feeling better and if he's able to play,
he's going to play. Like is that tongue in cheek
or is that posturing?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Like?
Speaker 3 (40:43):
What what's what's the information you have as it pertains
to what's going on there?
Speaker 5 (40:47):
And you know what?
Speaker 9 (40:49):
Yeah, I mean I think part of it is if
Davante wants to get once he know what he wants here, right,
which is a trade to the Jets, then I think
that he does have to play ball with the Raiders
a little bit, and the Raiders still do have some
control over this situation. Now, I think we all know
that any team bringing in a guy with Davante's stature,
(41:13):
who's turning thirty two, who's making the money that he's making,
wants to want to know before I'm fourteen over a
draft picks for him that he's going to be on board.
So that's the Vante's level of control. But I mean,
look like the Raiders can look at this and say
they still the guy under contract for the next two years.
We can trade him after the season if we want to.
(41:33):
That'll be much harder because now you know, you'll be
looking at thirty six million dollars for twenty twenty five,
But you still have that that you control is right
for the next two years, you know. And look like
there's part of this too where you know his draft
pick value isn't as such where it's like, yeah, we
have to do this, you know, like you're not going
(41:54):
to bring home a first round pick for him. I
think most teams would not give up a second round
pick for him. So if you're talking about a three
or four, it's not like it's not like it's like
a franchise altering decision to turn down something like that. So,
you know, I think DeVante, look if he's if he's
smart about this, and he's a pretty smart guy, you know,
(42:15):
I think he knows he's got to play ball with
the Raiders a little bit, and you know, and and
and and be a good soldier here in the short term,
to try to facilitate a trade between now and November first,
and to try to have them play ball with him,
and and and have them trade him to a place
that he'd like to go.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Albert brew joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Where
do we stand on Russell Wilson potentially getting the nod
this week for the Steelers.
Speaker 9 (42:41):
Well, he practiced h fully yesterday, which is a big step.
And you know, Mike Tomlins said earlier in the week,
like how he comes out of the first full participation
practice would be a good marker. But they're still preparing
justin Field to start. And as I've told you guys,
as I've told you guys all along there, there's a
sentiment in that building is stick with Justin Fields. And
(43:03):
there's a sentiment in that building that Justin Fields is
the best option for the team right now. And Arthur
smith Field's really good about where he and the offensive
staff have gotten fields and where they're going with fields
now and how much better he can get over the
next couple of months. So you know, there there are
two roads they can take here. I think the merit
(43:26):
to going with Russell Wilson is that you can always
go back to fields, whereas if you just go with
fields here, then.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
You know, then you know.
Speaker 9 (43:34):
I think it's really at that point you're probably saying
that's hit for Russell Wilson as the starting quarter as
having a shot to be the starting quarterback here you know,
or you can or you can just go with fields now,
So there's merit to doing both things. I think the
idea of going with Russell would be you kind of
get two cracks at it, then you get a crack
Russell and you can go back to Justin, whereas with
(43:55):
Justin you go with him now, you're all in with him.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Get him on X at Albert Breers in your NFL reporter,
lead content strategists at the mm QB and, as we
pointed out, the star of Amazon's NFL on Prime Com
every single Thursday night, we'll be watching later AB and
we'll think next week.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
All right.
Speaker 9 (44:12):
Thanks, good weekend, Good luck to those too.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
You got a game this week, it's a good one.
It'll be fun.
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