Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the curtain is pulled back on the clown show that is the Jets front office, following the firing of GM Joe Douglas. The guys debate which organization they would like to be fired by and The Old P, Petros Papadakis stops by for his weekly visit.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with lamar As, Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on
Fox Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Do you guys remember the elevator scene in The Departed
where everybody got shot, I mean just blown away. That's
your favorite scene right well, kind of reminds me of
the New York Jets. Feels like, damn, everybody's getting capped.
Every single member of the organization. Trap doesn't like shot

(00:33):
up the tap that dang, that's done.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
You used some hard slang terminology right there, my guess.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
I mean it is not great.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
From the nineties, the latest to everybody getting capped, the
latest tapping your ass. Joe Douglas, dam uh, spoiled, spoiled it.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Joe Douglas. He's the latest to get it from Woody Johnson.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
And he body could get it from Woody. He's feeling
real hard right now. Well, I mean you said busted cats.
Well we like that. You said you can't be awake
and Woody this early.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, So Joe Douglas the GM he got fired yesterday.
Phil Savage no relation to Randy. He will take over
for U on the interim level.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
So you got you got macho man savage now and
you're it that's running the show.

Speaker 5 (01:32):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
It feels like, especially with some of the reporting that's
come out following that, Connor Hughes reporting that Woody Johnson
is expected to move on from Aaron Rodgers, Diana Rossini
and the Athletic reporting that Woody Johnson tried to step
in after the Jets lost to the Broncos and ask
the coaching staff in a very contentious meeting, uh, if

(01:55):
Rogers should be benched. One of the coaches asked Woody
Johnson whether or not he was being serious. It's just
not great there, and it feels like we're looking towards
a full blown tear down at the end of this
whole thing.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Isn't this a contradiction? Let me ask you this, que
because I know you'd be having some real cool perspectives
on how mess be kind of unfolding and this one,
this one's for you too, Joe, And it's like some
perspective here, thanks man. Doesn't it contradict everything that was
surfacing early on?

Speaker 6 (02:28):
Yes, it's like a total contradiction.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Or how do we go from everything was being manipulated
by Aaron Rodgers? It almost makes me go back and say, damn, like,
what did we what did we miss? Because he's owning
an apology by a lot of people. He's coming he
was coming out, and he was saying I didn't have
anything to do with it. I'm not telling him what
to do. And then it comes out that not only

(02:51):
does Robert Salad not lose his job because of Aaron Rodg,
well because of Aaron Rodgers, but not because of the
way we've said because of Aaron Rodgers, now that it's
actually Woody that doesn't want Aaron Rodgers in the game.
So how does can y'all please explain to me how
does this all play out? If he gets Devonte Adams,

(03:12):
Robert Salah loses his job. And yet this is the
report that comes back retrospectively, Woody Johnson wanted Aaron Rodgers
out of the out of the lineup.

Speaker 6 (03:23):
How does that work? It works because he's a bad owner.

Speaker 7 (03:27):
I mean, it's as simple as that, right, I mean,
And this is this is to your point where you
try to convince Jonas and I of the entire time
about the New York Jets. And I think that's the
frustrating thing for me with this whole process is. I
had been with the Jets for half a year, and
I think I've told you guys this. I had never

(03:48):
been in an organization where I felt like the head
coach and general manager run a different page. And I
was just only there for half a season, but you
could sense it. You could feel it in the way,
you know, Rex and John Issick just didn't seem like
they're on the same page. And you know, coming from
you know, a place like during that time the Seattle Seahawks,

(04:09):
where everything was you know, working together, John Schneider and
Pete Carroll in the way that organization was run, it
was very easy to see that. And going to that
environment then or you felt like there was some disconnect,
You felt like there was discontent within the coaching stats,
some other things that were going on. You just got
a sense of all those, like the kind of pressure

(04:31):
points within the organization. And the tough part for me
was like thinking to myself, now they've got Aaron Rodgers,
like they're gonna take a step back, They're gonna let
this thing play out until the wheels fall off.

Speaker 8 (04:44):
I mean, you're not even you're more than halfway through.

Speaker 6 (04:48):
The season, but that's it.

Speaker 7 (04:49):
And the only year that Aaron Rodgers has been able
to play for you, and you're throwing in the towel
like this is an example of why teams are just
always going to be bad, because if there's ever a
point in time for you to kind of like double
down and stay patient see where this thing goes, it
was this year, Like this is year of one with Rogers.

Speaker 6 (05:10):
It's not year two. He didn't play last year.

Speaker 5 (05:13):
He was hurt.

Speaker 7 (05:14):
He's coming off in Achilles, like he will be better.
Assuming that all things are going into twenty twenty five,
you would assume that maybe I'm wrong, Maybe he'll never
be whatever he was before the Achilles, before he turned forty,
all those things I tend to believe though, like collectively
as a team they would be had they stayed the
course with all of this. You know, he kept Robert

(05:35):
Sala not fired, Joe Douglas built for one more year.

Speaker 6 (05:39):
Then you knock it down.

Speaker 7 (05:41):
You know, if you're looking for a quarterback, I'll just
be born about this. If you're looking for a quarterback
and next year's draft, this is not the time to
do it. Someone's gonna take Shad or Sanders. There's a
bit of a drop off of my opinion to the
next guys. You know, Cam Wood's played really.

Speaker 6 (05:58):
Well this year.

Speaker 7 (06:00):
I'm curious to, you know, see how people are gonna
evaluate him as an NFL prospect. Carson Beck came as
the first round pick. He has not played well. I
still think he will end up being that, but he's
struggled in particular the last.

Speaker 6 (06:12):
Few weeks bad.

Speaker 7 (06:14):
So I sit there and I just go, Okay, So
what's the plan, Woody. You're gonna move on from all
these guys starting knock down rebuild.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
But who's your quarterback? Like, who's gonna draft? This isn't
like this past year's class.

Speaker 7 (06:27):
We have five guys, and if you do, if you
think that you're gonna find five guys, you're reaching and
you're gonna have a really, really hard time making that work.
So I sit here and look and just go, this
is exactly what you said at the beginning the season.

Speaker 6 (06:44):
The Jonas and I and you were dead on. We
were one hundred percent wrong.

Speaker 7 (06:48):
And this is an example of why organizations stink in
the NFL.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
I was dumb to think that Woody Johnson somehow found
a different perconspective on this and was like you know what,
I'm not gonna meddle as much. I'm going to step
back and I'm going to let these people do what
they do because they know more about football than I do,
and I'm going to let this thing hole play out.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
I was an idiot. I can't believe that. I actually
thought that was going to happen.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Like, there's a reason why people have said the things
that they've said about the Jets, and for some reason,
I thought, Oh, he's going to have a different perspective
this time. He's going to realize his ways and realize
it's desperation time. When's the last time we had a
Hall of Fame caliber quarterback be our starter here with
an opportunity to do things, especially since the Patriots dynasty

(07:36):
is over. You know, the Bills can't seem to figure
it out in the postseason, the Dolphins, who knows, We've
got a.

Speaker 6 (07:42):
Real shot here?

Speaker 4 (07:43):
Nope?

Speaker 2 (07:43):
All wrong, completely wrong. And I wonder this, who the
hell wants that job? If Ben Johnson turned down the
commander's job because he didn't like the front office structure,
why the f would he take that gig with the Jets?

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Now it makes more sense to want to go to
Washington now. It's seeing how things are are developing there
is that they are changing culture and they are hiring
people and allowing them to do their jobs.

Speaker 6 (08:11):
But I would a never basketball player know what they're doing. Huh.
I mean that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Go figure right, remove yourself from being someone who thinks
you know everything about football and let people do what
they need to do. And guess what, you got a chance?
You know, could I play.

Speaker 7 (08:28):
Out a fictional tale, Oh yeah, come on, yeah, one
in which so the off season's coming and there's a
bar Winter's coming. It happens to be in New Orleans.
It just so happens that, you know, two guys walk
into it, one battled and beaten after going to an

(08:49):
organization that you know, it was just has a roof
falling on it and a crazy owner, one that's outspoken
as there is, and the other dealing with it's another
owner crazy, just meddling and all sorts of types of things,
firing people left and right. And they look at each
other as they grab their beer, they just go, you know,

(09:10):
maybe we're better off together. You know, maybe maybe we
should have found a way to make things work back
when we were up in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and those
two people are Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers, and I
can only imagine. I don't know what the relationship is like.
I can only imagine what that conversation would be like.

(09:32):
Is it like an old fishing stores? Like, oh dude,
you think your owner is bad?

Speaker 6 (09:35):
Way? Do you see the guy I was dealing with?
Is it gonna be one of those deals?

Speaker 3 (09:41):
If there were a way for them to come together
and bond over something where they have common ground, that
certainly would be the perfect topic I've been had, maybe
in my younger days. Is intelligent as I believe I am,
and as aware as I know I am, I just

(10:01):
didn't understand it this way.

Speaker 6 (10:04):
Coach, you know what, sir, I agree with you. It's okay.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
You know, we did have a good little setup the
people we were a coach and a player of the people.
We were situated, and you know, we had our moments.
But I'll tell you what it would have been. It
would have been cheaper to keep her, is what they'd say.
It's better for us to stay together here and work

(10:33):
it out and see where we're at. But as we've
mentioned so many times on this show that twenty twenty.
Hindsight is it's so real, man, It's just so real
to see these two guys. And I wasn't even putting
it together that way. So it's a pretty cool way
of putting the information together.

Speaker 6 (10:54):
I mean the two.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
I mean there's like three or four, but top two,
top three dysfunctional organizations. Two of the more successful beloved
heroes from Green Bay departed and work there. Now interesting, what.

Speaker 6 (11:13):
Do you guys think of the most dysfunction organizations? I'd
love Carolina is in there together in Dallas, Dallas, and
and the Jets. The Jets. Jets.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
The Jets are number one. It's not even close.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
All I played for them. Let's keep going.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
I hate to say New York is, but because I
mean I play, I'll play there.

Speaker 6 (11:32):
What are we write Cleveland on this list?

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (11:34):
There and there? The Yeah? Which one is higher? Though?
Is it Cleveland or is it the Giants? Oh dude,
there's stories from my time in Cleveland are unbelievable. I
will say this. I'll divance this. I don't know if
I should, but.

Speaker 7 (11:49):
So I had a when I got to the Jets,
I was out practicing and I literally popped a broken
sessimoid bone and then.

Speaker 6 (12:01):
Like a little uh what do you call it?

Speaker 7 (12:05):
Attendon in the bottom of my right foot, so like
my big toe. Now there's like I have like a
bunion from it. But that's basically what had happened. I'd
kind of planted and I turned to cut and ended
up like pop this thing right, And so I'd go
into the trainer. I'd, you know, go try to get
rehabbing stuff. I don't want to really say anything because
I was like, dude, I am not here to be
anything more than maybe like a backup slash I get

(12:27):
an opportunity, so I'm like, I've got to kind of
fight through this. I don't want to tell anyone like
this is going on. And so yeah, eventually you have
to follow workmen's comp claim. And when I did so,
Forty Johnson at some point had reached out and said
how disappointed he was in me for following the workman's
comp claim. And I'm like, you're the odor of all

(12:49):
these things, but in particular an NFL franchise, and you're
writing like a note to let someone know that he's disappointed.

Speaker 6 (12:56):
Like I was, like, what is happening? Like I'm like
it was unbelievable, dude.

Speaker 7 (13:01):
But it's again, it just goes back to show you,
like the things that owners will focus on or the
things owners will do. Think about David Tepper going into
that restaurant and talking to guy at the host stand
about his hat.

Speaker 6 (13:15):
Think about that for a second. How ridiculous that that
was a billionaire.

Speaker 7 (13:19):
Who's going like, I'm so worried about what this young
kid who's wearing a hat at a barbecue place, like,
why he's rooting against that hand?

Speaker 8 (13:26):
So you guys stink David, it's.

Speaker 6 (13:27):
Been your fault.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Dang yeah, on his way to the draft. Let me
stop real quick, just check it was it is? Uh,
I can't look. We made the point, but it needs
to be underline and said out loud again. He literally
Woody Johnson chased away Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
Like.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Those are two of the greatest to ever do it,
and he chased both of them away. They couldn't get
away from there fast enough and that's when he first
got there.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
So credit to them.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
For seeing, Oh yeah, I don't I don't want any
part of this, and that's why Belichick took the shot
at him when he did. On the Manning Cast, That's
why all the jokes have been made all these years.
Like you look at Joe Douglas, you look at the
draft class he had a couple of years ago in
twenty twenty two. Dude, like he hit draft pick after

(14:23):
draft pick after draft pick. Like he did a pretty
decent job all things considered. And one of the reports
that came out from the Athletic was that when people
saw him, he was just totally beaten down recently and
that they forced him to fire one of his I
believe his name was Rex Hogan, was one of his
top assistants. They were really close friends, their families were

(14:45):
close friends. And he forced him They Woody Johnson stepped in,
forced him to fire one of his good friends on
the staff.

Speaker 6 (14:54):
He didn't want to do it, and they wouldn't let
him go.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
They almost some people around the building said that it
was almost like Joe Douglass was held hostage. And Joe
Douglas told people back in February, what do you should
just fire me?

Speaker 5 (15:06):
Now?

Speaker 4 (15:06):
The whole thing is a clown show.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
You gotta throw Jacksonville on that list. You gotta throw
them in there for dysfunction, and what direction are you
going going? In I mean the idea that upper upper
leadership and how the influence of the ownership when you

(15:30):
have owners that are as involved as a Jerry Jones,
a Temper, a Johnson, a con when they're as involved
as they are, and then they have family members that
are involved and what's going on. It's not just them,
it's their children that are involved with what's going on.

(15:51):
It turns into this deal where the management ultimately is
handling things up not downward. And in business, if you
you know one thing you learn when you take classes
and when you experience business in real time, in real life,

(16:11):
they tell you the most successful business owners are the
ones who learned it from the bottom up, not the
top down, but the bottom up, so that you can
lead down and be an example that you know puts
your your workforce and position to raise their level up,

(16:32):
not downward. And so when you think about that, like
life is all about ascending, like your your your hopes,
your dreams, your your your goals, your motivations are always
to be more or should be. And when you look
at how ownership handles things, it's not something that creates

(16:54):
an environment that inspires or or generates that that energy
where people want to raise their game, or take ownership
over what you're doing, take ownership accountability over one another
or over the organization. You just don't see it that
way in these types of organizations. The sad thing about

(17:17):
maybe the one team on this list is the Giants,
because I have such an affinity and a respect for
their ownership and the kids, the descendants of the mayor
and the Tis family. That's not something that I experienced
and saw while I was there, but it seems to
be what it's developed into. Because you can see in

(17:38):
all of these teams that we're talking about that have
that level of dysfunction, there is ultimately the focal point
of what the owners are saying and what the owners
are doing, and it becomes evident and prevalent amongst the
media that the ownership is influencing what's taking place.

Speaker 6 (17:59):
And you cannot out.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
I don't care what coach you get, I don't care
what players you get, You're not going to mask that
and it's not going to outperform the dysfunction that's created
by your upper leadership members.

Speaker 6 (18:16):
It's just not I.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Think I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
I think I'm ready to unveil my top five most
dysfunctional organizations.

Speaker 6 (18:23):
In the NFL. You can't just go straight on.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Oh no, not the clown number one number. I'll start
from five, number five, step right up the Jacksonville Jaguars
number five or number five, just by default. They had
a clown out a couple of years ago to close
up the season their final home game. They actually won

(18:49):
that game. That was the year they fired Irvin Meyer
and I was going to fix everything, and then they
got annihilated their next two games. But I'm gonna go
with the Jaguars at number five. At number four, I'm
to go with the Las Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 6 (19:02):
That number four.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
I didn't want to throw them out there, but yep,
they're in there.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
They're in there. They're definitely in there.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Number three, I'm gonna go with the Washington Commanders.

Speaker 6 (19:14):
Why why number three?

Speaker 8 (19:17):
They were really bad, dude until this year.

Speaker 6 (19:19):
That's what I'm saying. You're basing not off of recency,
Like right now.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
I took a guy who craps his pants two years
in a row, and one day he goes, look I'm clean, dude.

Speaker 6 (19:27):
That doesn't wipe out serious.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yeah, but but the the dysfunction of it has been rectified.

Speaker 6 (19:35):
Sure, but we're.

Speaker 7 (19:35):
Saying, like, up to this poison only in the year
of one, we don't know what's gonna happen.

Speaker 6 (19:39):
Maybe though Danny comes back.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
Oh damn, damn.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
All right, I'm gonna go to the Commanders at three, damn
at number two, the Cleveland Browns. I'll go with the
Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
At number two.

Speaker 7 (19:55):
Uh, what do you mean signing to Sean Watson who
hadn't played like a year and a half, coming off
all those lawsuits, to their.

Speaker 8 (20:02):
Biggest, most fully guaranteed deal in NFL history.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
I mean that that definitely add to this that I mean,
that definitely adds in retrospect.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
It does.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
But you know, there was a couple of playoff appearances
there and uh, and I feel like, you know, they've
they've really rallied around that team.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
They're locally in Cleveland. But number one has to be
the Jets.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
I mean put it this way, their most successful coach
in recent history had.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
A foot fetish.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
This team stinks, their organization stinks, and as long as
that guy's the owner, it's going to be a disaster.

Speaker 6 (20:34):
You know, you don't have the giants in there.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
No, No, that's what I'm just saying, I know they're
a good organization, but they're not operating as a good organization.

Speaker 8 (20:45):
Yeah, maybe do.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
They have more fires? Do they have more fires? I'd
hed coach in more recent years than the commanders.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
Let me look look it up teams with the most
head coaches.

Speaker 6 (20:56):
And while we're at it, let's was in there.

Speaker 7 (21:00):
It depends on how far you want to go back,
because there's there's gonna be some like Jacksonville and Cleveland
and some Ofy's others are really gonna like Trump all that.

Speaker 6 (21:09):
That's all I'm saying. Your top five is.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
Say it what the Browns over the last twenty years?

Speaker 6 (21:17):
Here you go, buddy, enjoy this.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
LeVar are over one hundred games, under five hundred down?

Speaker 7 (21:22):
How many different head coaches and general managers?

Speaker 3 (21:28):
But again I would I would say, but isn't that
based upon isn't that based upon the ownership?

Speaker 6 (21:36):
See?

Speaker 3 (21:36):
I just feel like, yeah, there's a common theme. It's
not it's not. I don't know that it's fair.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
By the way Carolina is approaching.

Speaker 6 (21:45):
The list, how are they not in the top five.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Because David Tepper, I don't think has been there long
enough to where you can go.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
You're gonna use that logic for David Tepper and not
give the benefit of the doubt to the commanders.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
No, they haven't been there long enough. You got a quality.

Speaker 6 (22:00):
So so Tepper doesn't qualify.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
He hasn't been there long enough now, But the commander's
qualified because their ownership has been there long enough.

Speaker 6 (22:09):
Erect how long has their ownership been there? Tepper has
been an owner longer than.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
Now, probably five years.

Speaker 6 (22:16):
Five years, I want to say, has it been that long? Yeah?
All right, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (22:21):
Man. The Browns have had twelve head coaches okay since
two thousand. That's if you count Chris Palmer, the coach
from ninety ninety two thousand.

Speaker 6 (22:30):
Twelve head coaches. I'm now going to count the New
York Giants. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't think
it's gonna come anywhere close. It's not going to come
close with that time frame like their history.

Speaker 7 (22:43):
In their history, they've had twenty two okay, But I'm saying,
like the more recent years, they had like three coaches
over like a four year period of.

Speaker 8 (22:52):
Two thousand, they've had seven since two thousand a lot.

Speaker 6 (22:58):
No, it's not seven. It just says two thousand, comparing.

Speaker 8 (23:01):
It to Pittsburgh. It's unfair in like.

Speaker 7 (23:03):
Sixty years maybe so so Coughlin finished in twenty fifteen,
that's right.

Speaker 8 (23:08):
They have had five coaches since then, Ben McAdoo.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Over what period of time, twenty fifteen, so almost almost
a decade.

Speaker 6 (23:16):
Okay, a decade the Ben.

Speaker 7 (23:17):
Mcadow, Steve Spagnola, Pat Shermer, Joe Judge, now, Brian Dabel.

Speaker 6 (23:21):
That's fine.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
That's a lot. I mean, that's a lot, damn. And
that small period of time, that's that's a lot. You
don't think that's a lot.

Speaker 7 (23:31):
It's the exact same for Cleveland, and exactly exactly I
would have thought Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
I would have thought in that small period of time,
it would have been New York that had more head coaches.
But it was just that rough spot, that rough patch
of time where they just they were giving guys.

Speaker 6 (23:48):
One year or whatever and they would get rid of them.
You know, it's real.

Speaker 8 (23:51):
It's amazing about this is we uh, we gotta take
a break.

Speaker 7 (23:55):
Yeah, right back with this music and we can start
talking about this whole subject to get tang.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
On, yes, because I don't I don't agree with Jonas's
top five, which I think it's an easy it's an
easy deal to put in there who you want because
there's enough fuffle.

Speaker 6 (24:09):
All right, all right, here's enough fuffle. Here's what we're
gonna do. We gotta take a break.

Speaker 7 (24:12):
Jonas has to get to his tea's as far as
what our next subject is. But I also want to
tease this.

Speaker 6 (24:16):
All right.

Speaker 7 (24:17):
We all get to pick which organization you would rather
be fired by. All right, you can pick their top
three if you want, yeah, but you get to pick,
all right, your top organization you want to be fired by,
top buy and how you envision it happening.

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Speaker 2 (24:47):
The NFL has let everybody know it's cool, like everything's
fine here, and the fact that they had to do
it is pathetic. We will get into that for you
again coming up here at about twelve minutes from now. So,
Brady Quinn, you kind of threw out the question to
be more to be more specific, is it which organization

(25:09):
you'd want to be fired from If you have a choice,
which one.

Speaker 6 (25:12):
Know what you can from?

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Right, I'm ready the Carolina Panthers. Why because get some
barbecue after it. Well, and if he had not taken
the job in Nebraska, I believe that David Tepper would
have been paying two coaches right now who aren't even
there any.

Speaker 6 (25:34):
Frank on this list.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Frank Reich and Matt Rule would both be getting paychecks
while they're currently paying Dave Canalis.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
So at least I know they're going to pay.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
And look, you don't have to deal with all the uh,
you know, all the crap you'd have to deal with
in New York, with the traffic and all that. I
feel like that would be a soft landing. So I'd
rather be fired by the Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 6 (25:57):
That's interesting, bar. Where are you going?

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Well, let me first start off by saying that top
five lists before I give you my answer, I gotta
tell you one.

Speaker 6 (26:09):
I'm going with the Browns.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
Two.

Speaker 6 (26:11):
Thanks man.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
There's a tie between the Raiders and the Cowboys. They're
ties because they're they're six years and they're bad enough.
They're oh this it gets worse.

Speaker 6 (26:22):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
The Raiders in Dallas are equal and their dysfunction and
in historical value in terms of what they represent to
the fan bases. The Giants and the Jets well share
that number three spot because you're in the largest media market.
So whether your dysfunction is warranted or not, your record
says it the the Obviously, the indictment of what you

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did with Sakwon Barkley is out there.

Speaker 6 (26:48):
It's public.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
People have seen it, so we know that your GM
doesn't know what the hell he's doing. And the Jets, well,
we heard what's going on with what he that. That's
a tie for three and then four. That's a tie
to you got the Carolina Panthers and the Bears. That's
my that's you know, I could give you a I
could give you a fifth one because I didn't put
the Patriots on there, but the Patriots belonged on there

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as well.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
Bobby Orkill Bobby Orchids. But what this means they were
winning to spite in Bobby Orchids. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
And then now everything that fell apart when when Tom
and and Belichick departed, I mean even at the end
of Belichick's tenure there, it just doesn't seem very contentious
between owner and coach. You could say in there, and
their accomplishment has reflected that.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
You could say whatever you want about Bobby orchids, but
he went to the grab lab before they won an
AFC title.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Bo I'm just saying they want to spit up because
of who they had in place.

Speaker 6 (27:42):
They don't have them people in place in.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
The AFC title game after he got when Yeah.

Speaker 6 (27:47):
How long have they been good since? Since? Uh since
Tom Brady?

Speaker 4 (27:51):
And if I'm not mistakenly, can you look this up?
I think that was when they beat.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
How much success had their homes in Kansas City in overtime?

Speaker 3 (27:58):
How much success has this for franchise had and how
stable have they been since Tom Brady left?

Speaker 4 (28:03):
This is too recent history?

Speaker 6 (28:05):
All right, Well, I'm just saying I don't know.

Speaker 8 (28:07):
I can't kill you.

Speaker 6 (28:08):
Never said which one you want to fire you? I
don't Yeah, I'd so here we go.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
If I had to choose one I wanted to be
fired from, I clearly would go with the Washington commanders
because I think that they're going in the right direction
and if I lost my job, it would be because
they're getting rid of all the old ass that's connected
to the dysfunction.

Speaker 6 (28:28):
So I rather, I'd rather use the reason. I mean,
I was there though, man, I was there.

Speaker 5 (28:35):
I was like, I be.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Honest, he was Danny's first pen.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Me started, we started the party, and yo, Daddy, my
owner wasn't that So I wasn't going to be asked
fat dammy, I say.

Speaker 6 (28:53):
Are we finished yet? D night is sa? Are we done?

Speaker 3 (28:58):
All you do is eat that dang count on dingy.

Speaker 6 (29:06):
But he's gone, see him the benefit of the doubt.
He's gone.

Speaker 7 (29:11):
The hard thing for me is two of these teams
have already been cut by, so I know that experience.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
I can't actually, I mean I would coming back to
Giants and the and the well they were the Skins
back then.

Speaker 7 (29:22):
Technic I got traded away by by Cleveland, but it
felt like it they're shipping me off.

Speaker 6 (29:27):
Jets already been cut by, so I know what that
would have been like.

Speaker 7 (29:29):
I actually was thinking, I think Jacksonville would have been
a good one to get cut by because.

Speaker 6 (29:34):
Nobody would have cared.

Speaker 7 (29:37):
I'd be like, I would have hit up Pete Prisco.
Pete would have told me how much I stunk, and
we would have probably went too like a beach bar,
grabbed a few beers had a few laughs. It would
actually probably soften the blow of getting cut from the
NFL franchise, all because the mayor of Jacksonville, Pete Priscoe,
would have been there to add a little.

Speaker 8 (29:59):
Extra So wound chuck a knuck con chuck con.

Speaker 6 (30:06):
Chuck chuck a con chuck a.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Con Pete would be like a Brady, who'd you get
fired by?

Speaker 6 (30:13):
Chuck a con chuck a con chuck.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
A con.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Pete prisco does seem like somebody I don't want to
have a beer at beer with right after I got clipped,
Hey be the only one there covering it some plus thing.

Speaker 8 (30:27):
He then Coach Meyer and I would have stories together.

Speaker 7 (30:29):
Now we work on the weekends. We talk about it.
I'd be able to share some of that with them.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
So Urban Meer's demise wasn't even connected to football.

Speaker 6 (30:41):
I'm sitting there on a bar stool in a restaurant.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
That's how uninterested people are in that market for their football.

Speaker 6 (30:48):
I mean it just is what.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
It is, horrible market for a football team. They don't
give a damn Hey fire me. Look I'm gonna get
another job. Look at my resume. Oh he left Jacksonville.
He left Tagonville. Can you find an information on why
he got fired?

Speaker 2 (31:07):
No thought about this, so, uh, Brady played for the
Browns and the Jets, LaVar, you played for the Commanders.

Speaker 6 (31:14):
And the Giant.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
And I grew up a Bears fan. We are all doomed.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, but I grew up a Steelers fan. But that
was even full of disappointment too. We never won a
Super Bowl when I was growing.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Up, good Christ.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
I mean, we compete it for it, but we always
came up short. So but we were well ran. So
I was spoiled, huh. I mean, imagine I lived in
a place where you could actually see the Rooney family
walking around. They were like parking in parking lots and
going to the mall or sitting on their front porch
of their at their house and lived, not to mention,

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lived like next to the people. And when I say
they lived next to the people, they lived next to
the people on the north side.

Speaker 6 (31:54):
Man. And I'm gonna tell you right now, that's some
real s right there.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (31:58):
I mean, they're part of the community. But I don't know, man.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
I just think that, like, if you think about it,
the Browns shouldn't be bad. There's no there shouldn't be
a disconnect between their ownership the Raiders. There shouldn't be
a disconnect. Jerry Jones, he connects. He just doesn't. He
just can't seem to let other people make decisions. It's,
you know, probably narcissism at its best. But I think

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he's good intentions. You know, he's good. There's good intent
there with Jerry Jones. I don't think he's malicious. I
just think that when you look at these other guys,
like you know, Mark Davis, he inherited that, you know,
and and he's not going to be like his dad.

Speaker 6 (32:38):
The Giants, they inherited that. They're not going to be
like their dads. You know.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
It's like some of these situations. I don't know what
Woody's excuse would be, temper Maybe he has to settle
into being an owner in the National Football League and
someone has to be able to reach him and have
the conversation with him as to how he needs to
handle it. With the Beers, I don't know what their
problem is. And and while you guys may not support

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me on the Patriots, I just I just think as
it applies to the Patriots, maybe there's the idea that
that Craft has to get back to the basics and
how he he did what he did in order to
get to where he got to with Bill Belichick in
the first place, because he had success with with parcels
as well. He stayed within that par sales coaching tree.

(33:25):
He ends up getting getting a guy like like, uh,
you know, obviously Belichick, they go in the right direction,
but that's still not that's not a definitive direction change
in terms of what their trajectory is to be a
successful team. At this point, it's just not.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yours is too recently biased like this, I don't know
how to be longevity of dysfunction.

Speaker 6 (33:47):
Yeah, I mean I get it. I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
I don't know why your rules and parameters have to
be applied in it, Like why does it have to
be longevity? I think you got to look at where
it's at right now, you know.

Speaker 7 (33:59):
I mean, you're you're like negating the twenty years for
some of these franchises during that period, like New England
was the greatest ever, Yes, no doubt, no doubt about it.

Speaker 6 (34:11):
I can't cost on that.

Speaker 7 (34:12):
The interesting one was Detroit Detroit and any mentions because
of how we think they're playing now with the organization
is now, but you would.

Speaker 6 (34:19):
Have thrown them in the mix before.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Dan call recency effect, but he's not giving recency effect
to saying.

Speaker 7 (34:27):
By the way, just so people know at home, when
you hear that sound, that means we got.

Speaker 6 (34:31):
To go to break.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Oh gosh, that's why we keep hearing they it's time
to get.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
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Speaker 2 (34:48):
So, speaking of Wednesday traditions, here on the show, this
is a goodie.

Speaker 6 (34:52):
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
He's the old peon X. He's the co host of
the Petrosen Money Show, which you can hear on the
Blo Torch and LA Sports. He's a Fox College football analyst.
He is the great Petros Papadakas with us here Pee,
what's happening?

Speaker 5 (35:08):
Good morning? Hello, Sister Nancy. Uh.

Speaker 8 (35:13):
We we actually we said would Petros know the song?

Speaker 6 (35:16):
Which we all agreed you would, and then one of.

Speaker 8 (35:18):
Us said, you lost your virginity to the song.

Speaker 5 (35:21):
A sister Nancy though, Uh. One of the first female
DJs in Jamaican history.

Speaker 6 (35:30):
Come on, talk to him.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
This is one of the most famous songs in Jamaican history.

Speaker 6 (35:34):
Talk to him, Petros.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
I think the I think the rhythm is called Taxi
gang on. Talk to.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
LeVar said, the song sucked for a long time.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
Well, it's a very famous song.

Speaker 9 (35:50):
It's shea so bomm so what boom boom boom billum
boom boom.

Speaker 5 (36:04):
She quit music for a long time and moved to
the United States and actually was a president of a bank.

Speaker 6 (36:09):
Oh wow, I didn't know that.

Speaker 5 (36:11):
Yeah. And then recently, maybe not recently, maybe about seven
years ago, she she started touring again and singing. Because
her music is still pretty popular.

Speaker 6 (36:21):
It's never going to go out of style.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
She's got another song called Pigeon Rock about her pigeons
and how much she likes her pigeons. It's really good.
She's got another song called Transport Connection down where she says,
whether you drive a car or you're a walk foot man,
we all live on this little island.

Speaker 6 (36:40):
I told you all Petros was going to be in
on it.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
No, I like sister names. There's a lot of great
female Jamaican kind of toasters, and they've always been sort
of behind because Jamaica is misogynistic in its way, but
especially musically. But she she's great. Uh. There's a woman
called Patra from the nineties who was awesome but Lady Saw. Yeah,

(37:06):
Lady Saw as the most to the one that does
the uh the Steve.

Speaker 10 (37:11):
Oh yeah, tell him about how Patra danced. Yeah, pull
up to my bumper bump for Babe Bay, pull up
to it. She used to date on My Homies.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Uh p the uh the QB switch for USC was
that just because they were playing Nebraska they had success
or or is this uh you know what it's gonna
look like moving forward with the final couple of games
of their season.

Speaker 5 (37:37):
Oh, well, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (37:39):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (37:40):
Lincoln Riley switched quarterbacks, probably because there was a bye
week and they were getting a lot of heat. So
the bye week was gonna be about him getting fired
and instead it was about the quarterback change, babe.

Speaker 6 (37:57):
So he flipped it up on him.

Speaker 5 (37:59):
Well that happens sometimes.

Speaker 7 (38:01):
Go ahead, Brady, I'm sorry, No, I was asking, is
it you said he's gonna he was going to get
fired on the bye week?

Speaker 6 (38:05):
Whatever?

Speaker 8 (38:06):
Is that realistic? Isn't the bio?

Speaker 6 (38:07):
It's huge.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
No, he's not going to get fired. But the talk,
you know, the talk was that he changed the narrative. No,
I don't think they can fire him this offseason, no
matter what happens. I just don't think there's anybody that'll
pay that buyout that's involved with the USC not after
I thought.

Speaker 6 (38:23):
I wasn't Crusoe the big donor, wasn't he that?

Speaker 5 (38:26):
Yeah, we talked about this. Rick Caruso is a guy
who gave ninety million dollars to fire Clay Heltman hire
Lincoln Riley. And that was part of the ten year
deal that Lincoln Riley got and the seventy million dollar
buyout that that they're underneath right now, and that was
connected to his mayoral bid in the city of Los Angeles.
And they let him speak at the press conference and

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half the people wore masks. There were people walking around
cleaning up trash in the background of the colisey and
very awkward. And that's the press conference where you don't
even know Lincoln Riley, you really don't. I don't know,
and that whole thing that we've talked about. So yeah,
but I don't know if there's somebody that will pay
that out now, So no, that's not my thought. My
thought was just he didn't want to hear two weeks

(39:10):
of we've got to fire Lincoln Riley, who's going to
play this buyout? So they changed a quarterback. Not that
Mayava was bad, he was great against Nebraska, but I
don't think Miller Moss really lost himself that job. I mean,
if you throw the ball thirty times in the first
half of the football game, when your best player on
your offense is the running back, and you're at now

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in the Big Ten, like, I don't really want to
hear about USC one way or the other once they
lost at Maryland or once they lost at Minnesota, because
at that point, what are we doing? Now you're worse
than a middling Big Ten team and there's nothing to do.
There's nothing to say, regardless of how sexy you think
your coaches. So this is rivalry week here in town

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USC versus UCLA. Usually it's a pretty I mean, used
to be a whole week where we would put everybody
on that you can think of and all this stuff,
But now it's kind of sad. Everybody who I'd want
to talk to about rivalry week for the most part,
is dead. You know, all the people we used to
put on Terry Donahue, John Robinson just passed, Charles White,

(40:20):
Sam Cunningham. The people we want to talk to about
the game aren't with us anymore. We might throw Ronnie
Lott on or something this week, but somebody's like, well
you want Matt Castle. It's like, well, he's not even on.
It's the B game for NBC. He's on Army, Notre Dame. Yeah.

(40:42):
I don't know. I don't know if he'd want to be.
I don't think we can pay the freight to have
him on.

Speaker 8 (40:47):
Is there is there? Is there a fear of being
sued after.

Speaker 5 (40:51):
The You know, I try to avoid litigious people for
the most part.

Speaker 7 (40:58):
I want to talk about the other team in Southern
Cows win this past week in Nebraska. It's like they
got to a point the season where they had five wins.
We kind of looked at them and going okay, like,
Matt rules turn this thing around.

Speaker 6 (41:11):
Four weeks later, they've lost four straight games.

Speaker 7 (41:15):
It seems to be all in with exception of Indiana,
like tight games, Like it's the same issue they've dealt with.
They just can't seem to pull out some of these
one score games they got Wisconsin and then at Iowa,
did they I mean, did they get to Poe eligible
at this point? Did you see enough of that game
to get a feel for like where this Nebraska team's at.

Speaker 5 (41:33):
You know, it feels exactly like you said, It feels
like they are not helpless. And if you just look
at some of the stuff that we saw early in
the year and see how it's played out, it is
pretty amazing. This has been one of the most confusing,
confounding years in the history of college football, maybe just

(41:55):
to see how foreign everything is to everybody else as
all the opponents, all the film, all the different stuff
from playing all the different people, but some of these
teams are just still the same, right, Like Nebraska is
a hard luck team that can't find a way to
win down the stretch. Kansas sort of feels like that too,

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after feeling really good about what that team was going
to be coming into the year. If you think about
that Nebraska versus Colorado game and what a complete top
to bottom ass whooping it is that the Cornhuskers put
on Colorado, and then you think about what it would
be like if they played today. It's hard to imagine

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what about LSU and USC, And of course they're struggling
now too, but USC looked like a completely different team
in the first game of the year as opposed to
what they're like now. And we made a lot of
proclamations early about who was what and what was what?
I mean, Northern Illinois beating Notre Dame, and look at

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the direction both of those teams have gone in as
the season has gone on. So it's been it's been
a wild year. And I really like Matt rule two.
But what is it? Year two?

Speaker 6 (43:14):
Year two?

Speaker 5 (43:15):
Year two? And if if they don't get to a
bowl and then year three, you know you're going to
start to hear a lot of buzz around there. If
they're I mean, they want to do what a lot
of teams are doing. Michigan State is doing it, San
Diego State is doing it. Nebraska is doing it on
a bigger stage, I guess week in and week out.
But they're trying to develop around their young quarterback, and

(43:38):
they're gonna be a lot of growing pains in that regard.
I mean, football is a lot more than quarterback play.
But your young quarterback is gonna make mistakes and your
team is.

Speaker 7 (43:50):
Going to kind of take on that struggle last week
and particularly it looked like he's starting to kind of
fall off.

Speaker 6 (43:55):
A little bit.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
Yeah, and you know, look, that's what the season's like.
It's hard, and you know, it's interesting. I don't really
know doing games like I do, it's hard to tell
whether teams are just more decimated than they usually are
or thinner than they usually are as far as depth
goes here in November and how the nil and who's

(44:18):
on your team and guys that make business decisions as
the season goes on, after the team loses a couple
of games, all of those things are factored in now
and it's kind of hard to quantify the difference of
what our sport is. But still enjoying doing it all.
But yeah, some of those teams are are frustrating to watch,
I'm sure for their fan base because they're i mean,

(44:41):
I'm doing an Avada game. I mean they've lost like
eight games by one score or something. I mean, you're
literally in every game they were. They almost beat SMU,
one of the better teams in the country, in the
first game of the season. And there's a few teams
like that that are kind of in every game, but
can't find a way to pull it out. And maybe
a little bit more parody than we thought there would

(45:02):
be in college football, even with the modern NLA, I
LA and all the different stuff that.

Speaker 6 (45:06):
We talk about. Petro is rivalry weak for you guys.
You have UCLA.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
They're actually doing better than what some people thought that
they would have done. How how important do you think
it is for these teams to perform well in this game?

Speaker 6 (45:23):
Like does it? Does it have?

Speaker 3 (45:25):
I mean, historically it's had a big, big, big influence
on recruiting and in the area. I mean it's now
more you know, obviously spread out. It's not so much
you gotta win California, but it is still you gotta
win California if you're sc or UCLA.

Speaker 6 (45:41):
Right.

Speaker 5 (45:43):
Well, I think one of USC's biggest problems right now
under Lincoln Riley is that they're not recruiting California in
the way that they should. They're not building a fence
around the city of Los Angeles in the way that
they should. And I think we've talked about it. I mean,
in the past, for decades, USC has been the destination
on the West Coast to compete with other teams that

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are blue bloods everywhere else because consistently compete with them,
because they could develop and cultivate offensive and defensive line
play locally, and they've done that for many, many years.
Hall of famers and people that are household names in football,

(46:25):
Anthony Munnos, Bruce Matthews, and so on and so forth.
But those guys don't go to USC anymore because USC
has an air raid coach and had an air raid
coordinator in Graham Harrell for years, and offensive linemen have
a tendency to shy away from offenses like that. So
where are the offensive linemen on the West Coast going

(46:47):
to be developed? They're going to Orgon and Oregon is
the number one team in the country and just made
it into the Big Ten Championship because of a brilliant
email that was said last night. So it is interesting
in that regard. It is a big recruiting game in
LA but both of these teams need to recruit LA better.

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DeShawn had some real momentum with three straight wins, but
they lost up at Washington last night, so that kind
of took a lot of the air out of the balloon.
For for UCLA, they certainly have improved as the season
has gone on, and you have to give Deshaun Foster
credit for that, because that's what good coaches get teams

(47:30):
to do down the stretch, and that's got to be
harder to do than ever in this modern day era.
So I flipped. I tipped my cap to him, who
has the advantage. Both teams are quite even. It's not
really It's amazing to me how little people care in
town about this game. People are calling it the empty

(47:52):
seats Bowl. Wow. You know two years ago this was
Dorian Thompson Robinson against Caleb william for the PAC twelve
Championship Berth to play Utah. Yeah, yeah, and it was
an absolute barn burner and UCLA had him under Chip
Kelly and of course dtr threw a pick or two

(48:14):
or three and that's what killed it. But uh, this year,
it just doesn't have the buzz. And it's interesting also
because it's a seven o'clock kick, and when seu CLA
is not that great of a game, they push it
till later in the day. And I've called a few
of those when they're late in the day, and the

(48:34):
longer you leave people out there tailgating and the later
you kick, somebody's gonna get stabbed. That happened. I think
it was two thousand and nine.

Speaker 6 (48:48):
We shouldn't laugh about that.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
Well, somebody was stabbed in the face. Yeah, right on
that golf course that UCLA what's it called Brookside golf
course that the Rose Bowl is next to. I don't
think if that great of a course, but not there.
I mean they let everybody park on it, and somebody
got stabbed in the sand trap, right in the face,
in the face in like two thousand and nine because

(49:10):
the tailgate was too late. Yea very upsetting.

Speaker 7 (49:14):
Petro's I made mention of this earlier this week, and
I'm curious to pick your brain about it. You mentioned
the lack of development on the offensive line because this
air raid system and wake and Riley and I kind
of go through like the Phil Longo firing at Wisconsin.
He has air raid roots, And I just I said
this earlier this week, like, well, it's not even that

(49:35):
it's out of style, it just has a ceiling, like
like if you're serious about really trying to win your conference,
win a national championship, it just it doesn't seem like
any of the guys that have roots to the air
raid system ultimately can do that, Like they get to
a certain point and then it just kind of flattens out.
It's too predictable, it's too easy to attack or for
defenses to defend against.

Speaker 6 (49:57):
It never really works out.

Speaker 5 (49:59):
Like they have some red zone issues, don't they.

Speaker 7 (50:01):
They do well, yeah, when you're not balanced like that,
or you can't you know, run the football where you
need to. But I guess can you think of an
air raid where you're like, no, yeah, that that was
the team that won the national championship using an air raid,
or was able to consistently win their conference using the
air raid system.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
The last roar of the air raid was the TCU run, right,
And that's kind of where those guys are hiding. They're
back in Texas now there's a few air raid guys left.
There's Zach Kittley, who works for a defensive coach Joey
McGuire at Texas Tech. There's Kittley's uh, he's the mentor

(50:36):
for the coordinator.

Speaker 7 (50:38):
At Washington State or which is interesting you bring up
Tech because arguably they're the best players.

Speaker 6 (50:43):
Tos Brooks, the running back exactly.

Speaker 8 (50:45):
Well, that's what they don't even throw as much anymore, right.

Speaker 5 (50:47):
And they don't want to throw it. I mean they
don't want to run it, but they have to because
their best players are running back. I mean that's the
USC's problem. Their best players would he marks the Mississippi
State transfer running back, and Lincoln Riley grows udgingly runs
the ball. When he runs the ball, he didn't want
to run the ball. It's it's problematic. But yeah, they've
kind of they've kind of run back into the hovels

(51:09):
of Texas. The air raid people. Graham Harrell was fired
as the OC at Purdue a while back, and they're struggling,
of course, identity. I think you're absolutely right. I think
that the last big air raid higher was Lincoln Riley
at USC. Right at the right around the end of it,

(51:31):
Mike Leach passed one of our favorite people in football history.
And I think you're right. I think it's a I mean,
it was a system designed as a gimmick to keep
up with teams that are physically superior, the same thing
Chip Kelly did with his run game back at Oregon,
spacing and pacing people out, and they made it all

(51:51):
the way to a great BCS title game against Auburn.
Then everybody in the country watched. And Eugene's a small
town and so is Auburn, Alabama. But everybody turned out
to watch that game because all of the regions were involved.
And I think that's usually what's for the best in
college football. But I take your point, Brady, and I've
been noticing that for a long time. I mean for

(52:15):
a while we talked about the brilliance of the air
raid and pumped all these people up and built all
these graphics on all these shows. And now these coaches
are getting fewer and fewer and farther between as far
as being celebrated, because I think you just have to
be more balanced to have success, and the air raid
people don't really want it to be balanced. Now everybody's

(52:35):
air raid is a little bit different, you know, all
of these Dana Holgerson really changed and used a tight
end in full back because why because when he was
at West Virginia he had to recruit the local players
or the state would turn on him and burn him
at the stake. And what did he do. All the
local players are tight ends and fullbacks, angry white guys,
so he had to adjust and put them into his

(52:57):
air raid and change. So I mean, I hate to
paint everything with a broad brush because we know how
nuanced the sport is and how different everybody's kind of
approach is. Like Mike Leach's original approach. What the air
raid was. We want to stress the defense by getting
the ball to all five skill position guys at any time,

(53:19):
at any point on the field, as quickly as possible.
But there were side effects to that. They kept a
gurney right close to the sideline to carry the quarterback
off because that's basically what would happen every year. These
guys would get destroyed, you know, I mean bring out
the meat wagon exactly. Gardner Minshew, you know, I mean
he was great, and guys like I mean, it was

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not an air raid. It was a what do they
call it? The run and shoot? But God rest his soul,
Colt Brennan, you know, and Gardner Minshew, guys like that.
They get down in the red zone where the quarterback
usually gets sacrificed to the gods of the defensive line,
and these guys would dink and dunk and fly all
over the place. I mean, Colt Brennan would be horizontal

(54:01):
to the ground, you know, throwing a sidearm pass, you know,
to some five foot two sawed off slot guy.

Speaker 8 (54:09):
Uh, you know that's a horse jockey out there.

Speaker 5 (54:12):
Yeah. But but I take your point, Brady. None of
those teams are gonna line up against Georgia and have
much of a chance. You know, like we saw with
TCU when it finally with TCU beating Michigan in that
college football playoff a couple of years back, is really
one of the miracles. That's amazing. Yeah, that was a

(54:34):
pretty amazing moment, and and sometimes it happens like that.
But I think your point, as far as the actual
trend is is.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Well put out Petros before I let you go. Do
you have a favorite moment from the usc U c
L A rivalry from when you were playing, like an
interaction with something trying to.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
Think about the statute limitations? Oh, well there was one.
There was one. Uh remember that guy Brandon Ibadasia. Yea,
he was dating like one of our soccer player or
basketball player at usc and she had said a couple

(55:17):
of things about him, and uh, he tackled me.

Speaker 6 (55:22):
Let me dial in.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
Well, he tackled me early in the game and he uh,
we were in the pile, and he grabbed my ankle
and twisted it around the whole thing, you know, to
where I didn't even have to take one shot. I
had to take two shots at halftime.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Of what of what?

Speaker 6 (55:38):
Tell the world?

Speaker 10 (55:39):
What?

Speaker 5 (55:39):
Whatever?

Speaker 1 (55:39):
You know?

Speaker 5 (55:40):
The train? Maybe a little nova cane, some cortizons. Okay,
why are all those guys lined up that there's a
T train?

Speaker 6 (55:51):
There's a train? Yeah, buddy, nectar of the gods.

Speaker 5 (56:00):
How did that guy come out of the locker room
looking so hard to hear this story? I'm not gonna
tell it. I won't have this this stupid morning show.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Flash on, all right, come on, you got finished. The
ankle The ankle gets gets twist anyway. So I got mad,
and later in the game he tackled me again and
I told him something about.

Speaker 6 (56:26):
You know, his uh, his his girlfriend or I don't Yeah,
it was homie, and like, what did you tell him?

Speaker 5 (56:33):
He looked really mad.

Speaker 6 (56:34):
What did you tell him?

Speaker 5 (56:35):
I don't remember, but it's hard to say anything.

Speaker 6 (56:38):
In what context was it?

Speaker 5 (56:43):
Baby? I might have said something about I know that, uh,
I know that you pay her parking tickets or something
something like that.

Speaker 6 (56:49):
Oh that's not.

Speaker 5 (56:53):
I can't but I'll tell you what happened. And he
looked really sad. You know how to make it sound,
you can you really mad in his helmet, you know,
really mad and uh, of course you know personnel change.
I come off the field and this dude just threw
our left tackle into the stands and just started like
tackling Carson Palmer, sacking everybody. Just he became Superman out there.

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After I told him about his girlfriend, and I'll stand
on the sideline, I'm like, damn, maybe I shouldn't have
said that, and that they beat us and they're like
chanting eight more years as we walked off the field,
and he's like shirtless, flexing on the fifty like the
incredible Hulk.

Speaker 6 (57:34):
He was Jack Orange there.

Speaker 5 (57:38):
I shouldn't have said anything about that, I get him on.

Speaker 6 (57:53):
That's exactly how it he sounded too.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
What at the old pot X is petrous papadagas. We
appreciate it. We'll do it again next week.

Speaker 5 (58:11):
There he is sup