Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the College Football Playoff Rankings are problematic thanks to Conference Championships. There’s no justification for Diontae Johnson refusing to enter a game. And NFL Insider for TheMMQB, Albert Breer stops by for his weekly visit.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with LaVar Array Winn and Jonas Knox on.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Box, Brady Quinn, I gotta ask you a question, all right.
If you are a betting man and you could walk
up to a window right now and lay some coin down,
would you bet yes or no? Does LeVar cry next
year the first time he sees his son in a

(00:29):
Penn State UNI wearing number eleven.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
I think he does.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
I mean, I think that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
You don't think so?

Speaker 5 (00:37):
Think y'all both lose. I thought i'd cry when I
got drafted. I like was like ready to kill somebody,
like let's go put my pets on. I think I'll
be ready. I'll be ready for him to kill somebody
when you know, and I guess that's not politically correct
anymore to say it that way, but I'll be ready
for him to ball really hard when I see him

(00:57):
in the uniform.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
I don't know, man, I think a pretty sentimental guy.

Speaker 5 (01:01):
I am a sentimental guy. I am I am. But
that's how I feel today. I don't. I don't. I
don't believe I will cry. I maybe the only way
I cry is if I look to my left or
look to my right, and and to be honest with you,
you know Layla his twin sister. A lot some people
may not know he's a twin. She is our first

(01:21):
and only national champion. She's a three time national champion
as a cheerleader, and she's going to Penn State to chair.
So I might cry when I see her cheering, before
I cry before I see my man and my son
in a Penn State football.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
You just didn't generate any tears. Yeah, I don't know
to tell you.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
Yeah, that's more like we're going to like he's going
to war in the in the name of the Arrington
family and the Penn State family. So and reason why
we're having the conversation and the reason why I asked
you because obviously signing day was yesterday, and you know
he's so he signed his letter, you know, so he's
officially a Penn State inknee line today. So big day, man, Yeah,

(02:02):
big day day, Big day.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
It's a big day for even involved. I mean, people
should understand this is like one of those decisions that
changes the course the trajectory of a lot of young
people's lives. And I know everyone's gonna say, oh, there's
the truths for pool. Now it doesn't really mean as
much like it still means a lot too that I
think the majority of the young men and women who
in this case we're talking college football, but where they

(02:26):
decide to go to school, it sets up the rest
of their life oftentimes where they settle once they're done,
the network that they work through and work with. So
it's a huge decision. You got to feel good though. Man,
it's awesome. He's obviously signing and you got two, you know,
to sign it a Penn State following your footsteps.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Pretty cool, man, Pretty cool, Pretty humbling, you know, just
just to have the journey be the way that it was.
I mean, you're going through it. You're like in the
in the thick of it, you know, I'm like and
through like I'm I got one. I mean, I'm hitting
the Stanford tomorrow because they made it into the volleyball tournament,
the NCAA tournament. Uh. She's a freshman of the Year

(03:09):
in the in the w CC and she's she's amazing.
And so I'm to the point now where seeing what
what I believe my I mean, I give all the
credit to my wife I'll take maybe a little bit
of it, but the parenting aspect of what takes place
with your your church, yeah, it's uh, that's a very

(03:31):
real thing. Man. I've always said like and some people
have debated me through the years, and I'm I'm okay
with not being all the way correct, you know, but
I've always said success is taught, and success is learned,
and you're trained to be successful. I don't think you
become successful by accident. I don't think that it's it's

(03:54):
by chance that you become successful. I think it's a process.
You learn the process and you continue to build on it.
And I'll say this, my kids are excellent in school,
way better than what I was. They're excellent contributors to
our communities. They understand what the true values of family are,

(04:18):
and what the true values of hard work and dedication
and having a passion for what it is that you do,
and passion and love for your fellow person. I mean,
those are foundational components that me and me and Trisha
were were raised on and that was what we taught them.
And then you start to see it come out of
them once they get a little older. Because man, man

(04:39):
was the slowest of them all they say, kid, the
boys they develop like slower than what the girls do.
It's in our case it was one hundred percent correct.
Like I, you know, for the longest time, I look
at man and just be like, oh my gosh, I
don't know. I don't know about you, dude. And I
would tell him to his face like I don't know
about you, my guy, I don't know. You know, I

(05:03):
just you just don't get it. I don't know. You
kind of hit me as like I can't get right,
like or you can't get right. And then overnight it
was like overnight, like he started handling things differently, started
making sure his room was cleaned, he started making sure
he was clean. You know, it's just a whole bunch
of little things that you're like, why doesn't he do it?

(05:26):
You know what I mean as a parent. And then
once they get to that point of where you start
to see him transition into actually doing things as a
responsible person and you don't have to stand over top
of them like why do this? Do it?

Speaker 6 (05:42):
That?

Speaker 5 (05:42):
Do that? Like you didn't do this. Your chore list
is very clear as to what you need to do,
and then you have to you know, you get to
the point where you don't have to threaten him no more.
Like I had no practice today, you know, no working
out today, like, none of that. It's just been an
amazing journey, man. And yesterday it was a lot of emotions. Man,

(06:03):
it was a lot of emotions seeing him sign, you know,
for Penn State and just seeing how that all turned out.
I mean, just if you're a parent out there and
you're looking at your kid and they're getting on your
nerves or you don't feel like they hear you, my
advice to you would be, Man, where I'm at now,
just keep telling them, just keep going, just keep supporting them,

(06:24):
Just keep putting those values, pouring your love and pouring
your belief into your kids. Even when you get frustrated,
even when they do things that kind of you know,
you feel like they let you down or whatever it
may be. Just keep being a stab fast parent because
they will get it. They will get it, and you'll
start to see what it is that get it is

(06:46):
in a person that you made, which is like the
wildest thing ever. So I'm pretty proud, man. I gotta
say I'm you know, I act like I'm a I'm
a fake bragger. Is what I am Like, I'm a
fake arrogant, not really arrogant, and I'm not really a bragger.
I really don't want any attention. I really don't like
being in front of people. I really don't like a

(07:09):
lot of things. I just want to be alone, kind
of sort of like in reality. That's why you do radio. Yeah,
because I don't have to see anybody. I can talk
to you, but I don't have to see you. I
can end it when I want to end it. Like
it's kind of a weird thing because I hate doing television.
I've done it, but I've never really been into it
because I just I feel weird. It's a weird thing.

(07:31):
I got to like, you got to see me. I
don't want you to see me. But anyways, regardless, I
just this is one of those moments where I actually
am really kind of proud, super proud and super super
confident about you know, what my kids represents. So those
pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Man listen, congratulations and we will be waiting to see
those tears.

Speaker 5 (07:52):
I would not go on. I don't think I'm a
cry though, Jonas, I don't think I'm gonna cry.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
I would stall my ass off.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
I don't think I'm I don't know about balling like that.
I think you get choked up. I'm gonna get choked up,
for certain I'll get choked up.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
So Braden, you are back.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
You are back, and we're gonna find out and get
some clarity this weekend when it comes to the college
football playoff rankings.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
What's the biggest bitch for.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
You when it comes to college football playoff rankings? Because
I was thinking about this big bitch. I would like
to reserve my right to complain after we get to
see the final twelve released and the brackets come out,
because I think it's too cool of a setup, with
the home games and all of that that come along
with it, to sit here and maybe cry and complain
like some people are conditioned to do when they're.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
Used to the four team? Am I horrible for saying
I hope? I mean, I don't hope Penn State loses,
but damn a home game and the perceived bracket we
would have to get to the final be sweet.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Well, the problem is, I don't know if you lose,
you can guarantee yourself in a home game spot. I mean,
I think you'd you'd think that you would, but that's
the scary thing about that is like I don't especially the.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
Way you lose, Well, that will be true.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, I guess the general point is I don't have
a ton of gripes with the College Football Playoff Committee,
and I'll get to that in a second. It's more
of the scheduling in general, Like we're comparing the strength
of schedule for the Big Ten in the SEC and
the ACC and the Big twelve, and not every conference
plays nine conference games. So you kind of start there.

(09:36):
For me, where you go, Okay, a nine and three
Bama team. Are they nine and three if they have
to play additional conference game? I don't know. Maybe they are,
maybe they're not. Maybe that only enhances or strengthens their
argument to be a part of the College Football Playoff.
So it's tough because look, we get the chance to
go around the country and see different teams in person.

(09:59):
And there's two sides of this conversation. There's the well
that's why you play the game, right that argument. The
most recent game I was at, the game Ohio State
Michigan is a prime example of well, this is why
you play the game. Because even though Ohio State's a
twenty and a half point favorite, they get beat at
home and physically dominated by Michigan. So that's why you

(10:23):
play those games. Now, that being said, when I see Michigan,
when I see you know, Ohio State, Penn State, these
Big ten teams compared to some of the big twelve
schools we saw this year, is there a difference. Yeah,
there's a difference. There's difference in the trenches. Maybe the
skilled position players a little more even you know, maybe
you say the quarterbacks, all right, little little more, even

(10:43):
running backs, et cetera. The difference is in the trenches.
You see it on the offensive line, defensive line, each side.
And that's kind of hard to be able to judge
in a box score and sometimes when you're watching tape
or watching highlights, but that's where the championships are won
and lost. Look at the recent history, Look at Michigan,
look at Georgia, you know, look at some of the

(11:04):
teams that have been able to win. It's arguably because
of oftentimes what they do up front. So my gripes
aren't against you know, the ACC. For example, we're the
athletic director for Miami and the ACC, you know, Commissioner
Jim Phillips come out and they hammer the College Football
Playoff Committee because I think these people who are a

(11:24):
part of the committee have a really hard job. When
it was four teams, someone was going to moan about,
you know, not being number four, and it was probably
five and six, someone probably had a case. Then now
it's twelve and it's everyone's suposed to be excited about it.
Instead now we're ticked off that, you know, hey, it's
Miami who's sitting in the twelve spot right now, but

(11:46):
that means they're basically not a part of it. And
mostly because a lot of people out there have been
trying to say this the entire season don't understand the
format of the actual playoff. So I don't have many
gripes with the way the rankings are. I have more questions,
like Miami can't possibly move up. I just it feels

(12:09):
like it's impossible unless there's maybe a bunch of upsets
or something. But even then, Ward Manual's talked about not
dinging teams who lose in the conference championship weekend, which
is probably not the smartest thing to say, because if
you go back through you know the history of the
college Football Playoff grand and four teams. They would talk
about the fact that they're going to every single week

(12:30):
reevaluate these teams, and it almost seems like they're allowing
the story that's already been written on most these teams
to kind of dictate why they are where they are.
So I look at a team at Miami, I say
that stinks.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
Man.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Now you could say, hey, just beat Syracuse and you're in.
Beat Georgia Tech, you're in, and that's that's fair and fine,
but there's you know, they got two losses, and they're
looking at teams, you know, like Alabama, and they look
at other teams that are trying to make a grive
and say, oh, we should in instead of them. I
look at SMU, and that's the team I probably look
at and say the committee could be the most unfair too,

(13:09):
because they're in a position now where if they win,
obviously they're in. But based on how it's set up,
if Clemson win's the ACC, there'll be a three loss
conference champ and they will automatically go, and then that
leaves you at SMU with two losses and how far
do you drop. We've seen some teams drop as much
as eight or nine spots in one in one week's rankings.

(13:31):
We've seen some drop on an average about five or six,
so that would drop SMU out. And I think if
you're a part of the you know crowd that says
they don't have any ranked wins, you're right they don't.
The ACC has not been as strong as some of
the other Power four conferences. But how are you going
to tell that team that, you know, it's only lost

(13:52):
two games the entire season, I guess three in this case,
that they shouldn't go ahead of a team like Bama
who wasn't planning to comp a championship and as on
as many games. It's just I can understand the difficulty
of making these decisions, but it feels like no matter
how much we expand, there's always gonna be people ticked off.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, it's like college basketball goes from you know, thirty
two to sixty four. They add in the plan, they've
got the sixty eight teams that are qualifying, and then
people are the.

Speaker 5 (14:24):
Bubble team still got snubbed, Like.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, and it is weird that SMU, in a in
a weird way would almost be better off, like like
it's they're risking almost everything by playing this weekend.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
It feels like because.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, if they lose that game, all of a sudden,
they're going to be asked out and people are going
to be looking at potentially Alabama getting in over them,
and then Alabama causes all the controversy and complaining.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
Is getting worth of us while you play the games?
And that what keeps Yes, But also.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
This is like this came up. One of the guys
from barstool actually said this back when Ohio State was
playing Indiana, when it was a thought that Indiana wouldn't
be a part of the playoff, and the comment was,
if you forfeit, the NCAA registers it as one to nothing.
So if s MU just forfeited to Clemson, they would
lose one to nothing, which that in that event, yes

(15:18):
they'd have another loss.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
But lost exactly of the wire.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
So you could try using that same logic in this case.
Shot play State, y'all go ahead, take it.

Speaker 5 (15:35):
Y'all go ahead and take it. We're gonna take this
one points crazy.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
We had this flight to lay, couldn't get there.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
It does, it does. I was having this debate with
a buddy a couple of days ago. It does. Called
a question though in all seriousness when you bring that up, Levart,
if Penn State plays this game, maybe they get a
home play home, you know, host a home playoff game.
Maybe they don't. And and also you risk potent injury
of your players. I mean, if you really look at

(16:03):
the path, you'd almost rather be a team that plays
a conference championship game and can host, which I hate
to admit this, but that's exactly how it works for Dame.
By the way, I'm not just saying for this year.
I'm just saying that's always kind of the path they
have to go, and it's to me the smartest path because.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
Of course it is Dome.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Or if conference championships have I mean, are conference championships meaningful?
Now you have to seriously ask that question, because if
it's all about winning a national championship, me for all
this conference championships.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
I would I agree with you just and obviously because
we won the conference championship and didn't go to the
playoffs one at one point, so I would agree, like,
what does it matter to win the conference championship? And
you took a team from I'm the conference that didn't
win the conference championship, and the team that did was

(17:05):
left out. Now, granted that that was when it was
four teams, but nonetheless that was when I was like, okay,
conference championship, Like, great, we're Big ten champs, Big ten
champs that are sitting home watching the team that didn't
even play in the game. They weren't even considered to
be one of the representatives of the two best teams
to see who was the best team in the conference.

(17:27):
They weren't even in the game, and they're in the playoffs.
It's just like so for me, yeah, I mean, I
changed my opinion on conference championships once once we realized
that conference championships didn't guarantee that you would get in
especially Big ten, like a Big ten conference championship, that's
not guaranteeing you to get into the playoffs. So that

(17:49):
was when I felt the way that I felt about it.
I know, you know, there were discussions and debates you
know that I actually thought made sense, but ultimately back
to the idea of it didn't make much sense to
me in the end, using logical reasoning saying that why
are you playing a conference championship and why do you

(18:11):
crown a conference champion if the conference champion is leap
frogged by a team that wasn't even in the game.
So yeah, I don't. I mean, I think it's for
bragging rights this year personally, because I can't believe like
this is as God's true. I had the idea and
the thought process of what you just said, que the trenches.

(18:34):
The trenches and the weather are going to be the
two reasons why PAC twelve teams that came to the
Big ten are going to falter. And I give Dan
Lanning and coach Tosh I give them all their credit
and in the world for being able to prepare their
team weekend and week out to be able to deal
with what I call a black and blue conference. You're

(18:58):
going to beat each other up. I've always said, if
you see us losing later in the year to one
another's because we beat each other up once we started
conference play. If you see us losing the bowl game,
it's because you've beaten it. We've beaten each other up,
and and you're limping into the bowl season this year.

(19:18):
I'm sitting there saying you're gonna have to go through
the same type of changes we've gone through, and they've
done nothing but rise to the occasion every single week
that they've played.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
So would you rather this Penn State Oregon game for
the Big Ten title be outdoors than indoors at Lucas Oil.
I don't care. Let's get yeah, I get what you're saying.
Fifteen degree weather and get this like that.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
Game we played in last week got dang. But it
doesn't matter. This still to me is a matter of
the conversation of now it looks like it was an amazing,
a tremendous idea to to go after the schools that
they went after and bring them into the Big Ten,
because not only do you have have a successful approach

(20:02):
to having both coasts and like interested in this game, right,
you have both markets, both the West Coast and the
East coast interested to the ticket sales? That mean is
it bad? Are they bad?

Speaker 3 (20:17):
It's not good?

Speaker 5 (20:18):
I bet you, I bet you. I bet you. The
ratings will be pretty good.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Let me ask you this, what how much do you
think it is to get into the game right now?

Speaker 5 (20:28):
A regular tickett like just to get in, like the
cheapest ticket you can get cheapest, like maybe sixty dollars,
twelve dollars. Yeah, yeah, well that's crazy, that's crazy. I
think there's going to be interested. I still think it's
going to generate interest because pack twelve.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
Sixty bucks you'll get a couple of plays.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
Well, I think pack twelve people will will be interested.
And again I think that that's why you do this
in the first place, is to extend your your footprint.
Can I be honest, man, pack twelve people will not
be interested. Like, here's here's the reality is. We've seen it.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
It is sad because we've seen it through the ratings
this year. It's just the West Coast does not draw.
And I know that pains you guys to hear this
because you're in LA and you think it's a big market.

Speaker 5 (21:15):
I'm not from here.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Well I know, but people people like to try to
defend it. It's like, oh, okay, well, why don't we
just go look at the ratings to see if you
guys like to watch. It's like people like the spout
off about it and talk about it on Twitter x
on social media. Okay, well, you're obviously not watching because
the ratings don't come along with your outcry that you
care and you want to support all this stuff. It's

(21:39):
just different. It's just it's different in the Midwest. It's
different in the South. That's where college football rates. It
doesn't rate on the coast. It's just it's doesn't I mean,
some would say that that's the whole debate. Why Miami's
in and Alabama's not is because Bama's a brand they're
going to rate. As of right now, they would probably
play Notre Dame on December twentieth at eight pm Eastern time.

(22:03):
Up there, Alabama Notre name to kick off this twelve
team expanded playoff the first round. You don't think that
would be Bonker's ratings? Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean,
I'm not saying that Miami wouldn't be a little better,
but it's Bama. It's just it's got a different feel
to it. So, by the way, don't be surprised if
that matchup doesn't end up holding out.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
We'll see.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
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Speaker 2 (22:37):
We are often running here on a Thursday warning, and
apparently we now have some more clarity as to why
something happened in the NFL over the weekend. They want
to go in Deontay Johnson, who was acquired, you know,
a little while back before the trade deadline by the
Baltimore Ravens from the Carolina Panthers. He just didn't play

(23:01):
at all this past week, and it was a little
strange and people were trying to figure out, Okay, what's
going on? Why why didn't he play? And apparently it
turns out that when he was asked to go into
the game this past week, he refused to do so,
and it was a game where they probably could have
used him. He hasn't been heavily involved in the offense
this year since he's arrived in Baltimore, but they probably

(23:24):
could have used him because Rashad Bateman missed the second
half because of the injury.

Speaker 5 (23:30):
So what you're saying is y'all only wanted to use
me because y'all didn't have Rashot available.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
Yeah. Well, Deontay Johnson has been suspended.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
The Ravens are on a bye, but he gets suspended
for the week fifteen game by Eric DaCosta, the GM
there and companies.

Speaker 5 (23:45):
So they decided, all right, conduct detrimental to the crew.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
This is what I don't understand, and I really and
I'm trying to understand, and I'm trying to see it
from Deontay Johnson's eyes. But maybe it's because I'm not
an NFL player and I just I don't have this ability.
But I would think if you were able to get
away from a full blown, five alarmed diaper fire like

(24:13):
the Carolina Panthers and find yourself going from that to
a team making a Super Bowl run, why wouldn't you
be at least happy to be there? Like that's the
part that is strange to me. Is this all about, Well,
if I'm not playing, I'm not happy? Like, is there No,

(24:36):
He's just he's got to understand that. Look, Zay Flowers
is the one. They've got other options there. Yeah, maybe
your opportunity to have an impact on the game might
be a little limited here, but you will have a
chance to compete for a super Bowl. This just feels
like now he's got a bit of a reputation, and

(25:00):
I don't get it, Like, I don't know why why
you would make this move when a team asked you
to go into a game and you just said no,
I'm not doing it, Like why would that be the case.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
I'm curious as to what his side of the story is.
I know they listed it as conduct detrimental to the team.
I would be curious to know why he did not
go in. You're dressed, You've obviously gone through the week
of practice, you've prepared, So why in that moment did

(25:37):
you not go in? See, I'm not really I don't
want to jump to a conclusion that's damning of Deontay
because I don't know the conditions as to or what
the circumstances that were a part of his decision not
to go in. I mean, there could be a legitimate

(25:58):
reason in favor of Deontay Johnson that that would lead
me to believe that maybe he was right. Maybe you
shouldn't have put him in, Maybe he shouldn't have gone
in the game. Now what that reason is, I don't know,
But I just know that sometimes and go figure, this

(26:19):
could be, you know, breaking news for some people out there.
But there are some times where there's shady business that's
done to players with the Ravens. I mean, I'm not
one to exclude anyone from doing something that would would

(26:40):
lead a player to feel uncomfortable about uncomfortable about what
the situation would be, So I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know the circumstances well enough. We don't have
enough information in this moment to know what it was. Now,
I'll say this, if it was just bare minimum, let's

(27:03):
just take it from bare minimum. You're a player, you're
on the roster, you went through the week of practice
and you're not playing. But now all of a sudden,
you get an opportunity to play and you say you
don't want to go in. I get it. I get that.
If it's a bare minimum face value, that's what the
story is, then not only should you suspend him for

(27:26):
a game, but you probably should let him go from
your team because that's not going to be a positive
contributor to your team. If they don't want to be
a teammate and a player for the team that's active
and ready to participate to help you win. That's what
this is all about to begin with. Your professionals, do
your damn job. But if there's something more. I just

(27:48):
feel like for a football player to say I don't
want to go into the game, it just leads me
to believe first thought is to give pause and wonder
if there is if there was actually a legitimate concern
or a legitimate reason on Johnson's part to not go in.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
I'm going to take a stab at this.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
Okay, all right, stab at it.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Since he's arrived, he's got one catch for six yards, Okay,
I'm gonna say that when they went to him, when
Bateman went down and needed him to go in the game,
that is when he realized he had the quote unquote
leverage and just said, no, I'm not You guys aren't

(28:36):
using me at all.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
It's why do you need me?

Speaker 5 (28:37):
Now?

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Suit it up, ready to go, went through the warm
ups as you laid out, and then he decided, no,
I'm not going in. And I think this was about
the fact that he thought, if you're acquiring me, it's
for a purpose and for a reason. And yet all
that's happened is he's there and he's got one catch
for six So you think he was stewing on the

(28:59):
satelline hundred percent. It was a build up.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
Like the Ravens are one of them. And you've talked
about this.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
Before that I remember when they did that to me
in Washington. They were they were messing with me that way,
and I was just sitting on I was sitting on
the ice. The ice what is it like? What is
that called the not the I don't know. Water bucket
not a bucket though, but it's like where you put
all a cooler. I was sitting on a water cooler
right and one of the coaches walked back, Steve Jackson,

(29:31):
I believe it was his name, Steve Coach Jackson. He
walks by me goes, hey, LeVar, stay ready, man, you're
going to be up. I started laughing at him, and
he started laughing to it. I just threw my heads up.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
He just knew, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
Like, I think I may have ended up going in
for like a player or two or something like. I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
But when was that in your Washington career?

Speaker 5 (29:55):
It was?

Speaker 3 (29:56):
It was?

Speaker 5 (29:56):
It was that Oh hell yeah, it was the last
year it was And it was the Dallas game. We
were in Dallas and that was the game where Santana
Mosas caught that big play to win the game for
us or whatever. But why weren't they putting you in
the game. That's not worth going into why not. But
here's the bottom line. The bottom line is I understand

(30:18):
that you could be in a situation like I was being,
I was being belittled, I was being minimized. There was
a lot of things that was taking place while I
was sitting on that water cooler, cheering on my teammates,
still being a good teammate, And had they called my name,
I would have went in the game because going into

(30:40):
the game meant more to me to be there for
my teammates and deliver as a professional than it did
to sit on the bench and be like, you know,
you guys aren't using me. Clearly, this is run its course.
I don't like you, you don't like me, F you
f me like, okay, done right. But this is a game.

(31:04):
This is a game where your team shouldn't matter enough. Now,
with Deontae, that's not necessarily the case. He just got there.
I don't know that he has that kind of connection
to it to feel as though I know these guys
well enough and my feelings for this team, my teammates,

(31:25):
and for what I do, which I think personally, I
don't give a damn how much they tried to belittle me,
or how much they tried to diminish me or mess
up my name in the media. To the fans and
create this narrative of me. I was still going to
be ready to play because I'm a pro. I tend
to think that that's what he should have subscribed to

(31:46):
no matter what the situation was. What I'm not going
to do is give you a reason to actually justify
what it is that you're doing. So if you're not
throwing me the ball, I got one target, I got
one cat whatever it is. And this is the moment
where it's like, well, we're going to throw you in

(32:06):
because we don't have anybody else. Okay, I'm gonna be
like Willy Beaman out that bitch. You know. Oh, you
told me to do it this way, you told me
to do it that way. I'm going out there. I'm
getting open Lamar, get me the ball. I got you
because I'm going to end that moment. I'm going to
take advantage of what it is considered to be what

(32:27):
should be perceived as an opportunity.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Because now, if you're one of his teammates, aren't you
looking at him, going we needed.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
You, dude, like that was a big man and look
at it.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Doesn't mean that Deontay Johnson goes in the game and
all of a sudden, justin Tucker can make kicks like
that's not you know, it's not like maybe that was
the difference between them winning or losing. But it does
send a message or no, it does send a message
that no, well I'm not going in like you've done
this show when you've had other things more important than
this show going on. Correct, Yeah, a lot, and you

(32:59):
know I have yeah, hell yeah. But the reason you
do it is because you're a pro and there's people
that are there's people that are depending on it getting done,
and you address that later. And it feels like this
is something to where if this is what it is,
and again you don't want to jump to conclusions, but
that's my guess is that he was stealing a little

(33:20):
bit because he felt like you were warned.

Speaker 5 (33:21):
But if that's what it is, then it's a it's
a very very undeveloped way of handling being a grown man,
of being an adult. You don't get very many opportunities
to have a job where he makes the type of
money he's going to he's making. You just don't so

(33:42):
I don't give a damn at the end of the day,
if you wanted to treat me that way, it's still
a business. You have every right to do what you
want to do, how you want to do it, and
so do I. And one thing that I'm not going
to do if and if I'm Deontay Johnson, and that's
what it is, indeed what it is, And you got
to make sure that no matter what it is you're doing,

(34:04):
you understand that there's a level of professional, professionalism and
a level of integrity that you should bring to the tail.
I talked about that in the first segment of the
show when I was talking about, you know, my kids
and being proud of my kids. Those are principal values
that I've you know, I believe us as a family
have really really taught and pushed and forced into and

(34:27):
forged into our kids. Everybody's not going to be your friend.
Everybody's not going to be on your side. Everybody's not
going to be in favor of you having success. In fact,
some people may not care. They may not even care enough.
So in that moment, instead of you saying, oh, no

(34:50):
one cares. Now nobody wanted to play me in now
you want to play me, No, I'm not going in
like if that is indeed what it was If that's
the tr rooth of it, if that's what ends up
coming out, then you know what, same on him.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
And it also sends a message to the rest of
the league that listen, you don't know if you can
depend on this guy. You remember what McCole hardman, this,
I like, this is always a funny one. So mcole
Hardman left the chief signed with the Jets, wasn't getting
playing time similar to this, there was some you know,
dust ups on the sidelines, et cetera, et cetera, and
then went out and basically after he left and went

(35:28):
to Kansas City and back to Kansas City, went out
and started trashing, you know, the Jets and trashing the
organization and all that. And then you had Sauce Gardners
and other guys from the Jets being like, dude, you
were leaking game plan info to our opponents. Like so
if if that's and this was multiple players came out
and said this against McCole Hardman instead of you could

(35:51):
have just left there, gone somewhere else and then just
let it be. Now you send a message that I
can't trust this guy. If it's not Kansas City, Like
where is options and it's not like, you know, Deontay
Johnson's had some good moments, especially with the Steelers, and
he signed with Carolina and all that. But it's not
like he's a Jamar Chase looking at a two hundred

(36:13):
million dollar contract potentially or whatever it is that he's
gonna get paid in this upcoming offseason. This to me
feels like it would limit your options and all of
a sudden there would be questions like, hey, man, if
we want to go with you, are you going to
be able to play even if the ball is not
coming your way?

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Or are you going to say no, I refuse to
go in a game when your team needs you.

Speaker 5 (36:32):
You best believe these organizations make book on all their players.
Oh yes, So if that again, if that is indeed
what the case is here, and that's what it is,
which again, I'm not going I'm gonna give that man
the benefit of the doubt because I do not know
him and I do not know his history. So I'm

(36:54):
gonna get that man the benefit of the doubt and
and and I'm gonna leave it at that until I
or no more. But for the sake of sports talk
radio and for the sake of the topic in the conversation.
If it is indeed he was stewing on the sideline
and his anger and his emotions were getting the best

(37:16):
of him while he was waiting on the sideline, and
his response to adversity was to not go into the game,
then he shouldn't have got a one game suspension. Jonas,
you just let him go, like you release him.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
I think one of the details I saw was that
if they release him, then they wouldn't be able to
get back the compensatory pick that they gave up. So
that's part of the motivation, which to lower round pick
whatever they got in return. But that's part of the
motivation for wanting to keep him. Otherwise they would have
just got him.

Speaker 5 (37:52):
You want me to respond to that, Yeah, if in
that moment, that is what beyond If a Johnson did
when you needed him in a game, I would not
suspend him one game unless it was proper protocol to
suspend him before we let him go, I would his

(38:14):
ass would be off our roster. He would be gone.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah, it's look, I just remember, like, because if you
start putting yourself in a spot to where you get
a reputation, that's a problem. And I remember I got
One of the best pieces of advice was one of
the first pieces of advice when I got into radio,
is from a guy who was a mentor, one of
the great people in the business, Jeff Biggs, And I
remember Biggs telling me, he said, Hey, always be kind

(38:43):
to the people you work with, even if things don't
go well and you end up parting ways. Never burn
a bridge because you would be shocked how many of
those bridges are connected to other ones. And if you're
Deontay Johnson, you don't think people there, especially the Ravens,
who have one of the best reputations in the NFL,
know people know somebody. The fact that this stuff gets

(39:06):
public like this, that's just a bad look, Like that's
a a bad the.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
Fact that they did it. Because it doesn't matter if
it gets public. The bottom line is that these they make,
they make book on you, and that's going to follow you.
Your reputation will follow you from whatever organization you leave,
and it comes down to the relationships that you have,
the credibility of of of others that have been around

(39:33):
you who know you are. There are a few things
that that will precede you in going to get another
job in the national Football League, not to mention beyond
the playing field. I tell my listen, I tell guys
all the time. You you look at it from the
player's perspective when you're a player, because that's what you're doing.

(39:56):
But most of y'all not gonna make it. You're not
going to to make it to a major Division I school.
If you do, then you make it there. You're not
gonna make it to the next level. It's just the
odds are against you to make it. But with that
being said, there are so many opportunities, so many jobs
that you could be a part of that would keep

(40:19):
you within the ecosystem of the sport you grew up
playing and you loved. But you have to be humble
enough and you have to be aware enough to always
put your best foot forward, be on time for a meeting,
you know why. Maybe that just might come up in
a business interview, a job interview that has absolutely zero

(40:39):
to do with you as a player. But what if
it's the organization, what if it's the school you went to. Oh,
he wasn't the greatest of players, or it didn't work
out well for him as a player, but you know what,
he was always on time. Dude always was studious, took notes,
made sure he talked to his teammates, was a good teammate,
was a good guy in the locker. Yeah, let's hire him.
You could trust him. We can trust them, Johnny, we

(41:01):
can depend on him. Hey, he's dependable. Jail Now, I'm
just saying, but it's true, though, Is the point? The
point is to be always? My parents taught me a
very valuable lesson, a very very tremendously valuable lesson. Doing
what's required is not enough. Doing what you're supposed to

(41:28):
do is not enough. Always be building value, Always be
building value. You want to know why I don't miss
doing the radio. You want to know why I get
my ass up and I'm always here thirty minutes before
every single freaking day is because building the value beyond

(41:51):
what I'm required to do is always the first thing
that I'm thinking about. If an ego, I'm gonna put
my best foot forward every single day. Oh you want to,
well you have you know, you guys have the option
to be off this day. Da da da? Who's in here?
Who's in here? We got seven days to work? We

(42:12):
do six? Who's in here? We don't have to do
the weekend show. We're on the we are on the
weekday lineup, We're on the lineup. But we still do it.
Why Because I'm always going to put more effort. I'm
always going to bring more value. I'm always going to

(42:33):
be focused in on being more than what's required of me,
because if I'm just doing what's required of me, I'm replaceable.
If I do more than what's required of me, and
I built the value beyond what was required of me,
then now you got to take a look at the
people that you may want to replace me with, and

(42:53):
you got to be like, is that person going to
bring the more like this person right here? That what
LeVar is doing, and that makes it hard for an
employer to move on from an employee. And that's what
that's to me, that if that's what this discussion is about,
that man made it very easy for himself to be replaced.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Jerry Coleman, who covers the Ravens in Baltimore, good dude,
who has been doing it a long time there. He
just sent me a message that said Deontay Johnson's current
members in Baltimore are one catch and one suspension. So
at least we're off in good math.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
It's just not good man.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Oh yeah, that's that is the the story from Baltimore.
We'll see how it plays out after the bye week
and uh, you know, after his one.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
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Speaker 2 (43:55):
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Speaker 4 (44:17):
We'll just let you have.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
It first, what the hell happened in Columbus, because we
do have it on good authority that you were being
harassed by one Brady Quinn before the game.

Speaker 5 (44:27):
Mush, Yeah he did. What are you saying said you
were to mush?

Speaker 6 (44:33):
I was a mush. I'm not sure what that means.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
He was blaming you. You're the reason that they were struggling.

Speaker 6 (44:38):
Oh oh yeah, yeah. He gave me increasing attention over
the course of the game. I don't know if he was.
I don't know if he was trying to, uh to
rub it in or if he was trying to come
to my aid. It was kind of hard. I was
in a fog there in the fourth quarter. Yeah, that
was awful. That was awful. That was had a great
had a great day to begin with, flew in flight,

(45:02):
was on time. Buddy picks me up at the airport,
My buddy Reagan. Uh, we go back to his house.
His lovely wife, Kelly, gives us a ride over, get
to see his son Chase. Kelly gets ride over to
the tailgate, shout out of a tailgate. Performed pretty well
there for a couple of hours. Get to the stadium.
Seats are great and uh and then the game started.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
So yeah, where.

Speaker 6 (45:26):
Does then somehow and somehow Michigan probably has two players
on their on that like, on that field, Michigan probably
had two players who would start at Ohio State, right,
probably two players that would start at Ohio State. And
somehow the game plan was to run right at those
two guys. So yeah, I trust me.

Speaker 5 (45:44):
I've had to.

Speaker 6 (45:45):
Reckon with it over the last Where where does that run.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Where does that rank for most difficult or frustrating losses?
As an Ohio State a lumber.

Speaker 6 (45:52):
Fan, You know, I like, it's just so weird now
because we're still going to the playoff, you know, like
I don't know. I mean, I don't know, LeVar, like
you probably like relate with this too, like it's it
just it doesn't it's like still sucks the same way
in the moment, and this one sucked for a couple
of days after. I've just got too many Michigan people

(46:13):
in my life, like my family. You know, I'm in
Detroit now. You know, I went to my cousin's house
last night last night, and you know, like last week,
I would have told you it would have been like
I would have been like having a parade over there,
and it wasn't that way. So I would say, like
it still hurts in the moment, but then it's like, well,
you know, now you get another chance to redeem yourself,

(46:35):
which in the past, and college football wasn't the case.
Right Like in the past, and college football, like you
lose one game and there's no guarantee of anything after that,
and it's not that way anymore.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
It could be the best thing that happened to you. Guys.
Get your loss out of the way. Now.

Speaker 6 (46:48):
You know that's weird, right, But like I think it
like can sometimes can be a wake up call, like
we can't play that way, you know what I mean?
I don't know, you know, it's like it's like the
strength of the team is the receivers and to throw
it to him and maybe if you win that game,
it's weird, but like maybe if you win that game
seventeen thirteen, still you don't learn that. You don't learn
that lot, but you know what I mean, And it's like, oh,

(47:10):
well we were just tougher, Like well yeah, but you
still have like three first round picks at receivers, So
why aren't you throwing to him now? Like you sort
of have to face that question, you know, Abe, I.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
Got to know.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
So when we spoke to you last Friday, it was
right as the move was being made the Bears firing
Matt ebra Flues. Yep, what are you hearing about their
pursuit of potential coaches. It feels like Thomas Brown's going
to get a real shot. But what are you hearing
about who they may be targeting?

Speaker 6 (47:37):
Well, they're impressed with the job that Thomas Brown did
you know it, Calevin with the offenses. They do want
to give him some real run and then you know
the reality of that, like that doesn't really cost him anything, right,
Like they can just they just like see how that
goes and see how he adapts. And it's a big
challenge for him. Of course if you if you look
like over the last month, he's gone from past game coordinator,

(48:01):
which you know, if you're the tasking coordinator, you don't
even really have your own position group that you're that
you that you're running you know what I mean, Like
you're important, but you're not you're not really in charge
of much and like as far as just people. And
then you go to being offensive coordinator now to head coach.
So you know, that's a that's a that's a that's
a big jump from one to the next to the next.
And so like they'll get a very real look at

(48:23):
how he handles it. And you know, I think one
thing that's one thing that like I think is interesting
about him is just like he everybody's been around him
says he's got the personality to be a head coach, right,
and so like the question is is he ready to
do it, and now he's being thrust into that role
where he's going to have to manage all of those things.
So it'll be interesting to see. And I do think

(48:43):
like he has some qualities that you would want in
your head coach. Like I I think the Bears, you know,
as much as there's going to be like a focus
on like yeah, like let's find somebody to coach Caleb Williams,
I don't know. I look at that franchise over the
last fifteen years and it's like I almost feel like
that's the last thing they should be focused on, you
know what I mean. Like I think it's not to

(49:04):
say it's not important. Obviously it's important to develop the quarterback,
but it's like when you've got like these deep rooted problems,
like you should not be focused on developing one player,
you know, you need to be looking at the big
picture of things. At least that's the way that I
see it, you know. And if you can find a
guy who can do both, great, But yeah, Thomas Brown's
going to get a look at it, and you know,
I think then the next question is like how much

(49:25):
are they willing to change or adapt the way they're
set up now to fit whoever the next head coach is,
because I do think that that's going to have an
effect on which type of a head coach they can
attract to that job because they're not there's a perception
about the way that organization runs it has run for
the last ten to fifteen years, that they're going to
be battling. So if they're not willing to make some

(49:47):
concessions on the way they're set up, well, then that's
going to drive, you know, some coaching candidates away.

Speaker 5 (49:53):
Maybe as the season begins to wind down and the
games continue to matter the most to those teams that
are pushing for the playoffs. There's a team in particular
that's trending up positively, which is the Eagles. But yet
you look around and all of the media outlets are
leaning into this narrative of the conversations of Nick Sirianni.

(50:16):
Why is he such a hot button topic in terms
of his job security when for me, seemingly, I mean
he should be in consideration for Coach of the Year,
let alone be wondering if he's going to get fire
from his.

Speaker 6 (50:30):
Job Because the NFC East is like the SEC when
it comes to the coaching shot security, like it's unbelievable
if you think about it, right like, and not to
say like that Mike McCarthy deserves to be cut, like
a huge break here, But he did win twelve games
three years in a row, right like, And coming into
this year his job was on the line. Like, how
many places would you say that that would be the

(50:53):
case other than Dallas, right New York obviously, like we
know where you know Dave ball is and you know
the the temperature rising there and then Philly. I mean,
if you look at Siriani's resume, he inherited a four
win team, right, so inherit the four win team he's making.
He's he's leading a change of quarterbacks. So they're trading
Carson Wentz. They're bringing in jail On Arts, which we

(51:15):
didn't know what that was going to become of that
at that point in time. In twenty one, he makes
the playoffs. In the year one, he gets the super
Bowl in year two. In year three, they start out
what was at nine and one, and then like things
sort of come undone on him at the end and
all of a sudden, his jobs on the line. He
made the playoffs three years in a row, got to
the Super Bowl, developed a quarterback, Like you know, it's

(51:35):
just it's crazy to sort of think, like how many
cities would would would a guy that was his job
be on the line going into year four? And yet
here they are, here they were coming into the year.
And I think he's done a great job handling it.
Like I think one of the things that like, like
I even admit that I probably got wrong was like
some people question, like, you know, is he right for Philly?

(51:58):
And you know, you had the press conference at the
beginning of the yelling of the fan earlier this year
and all of that. Well, like I actually have come
to think that he's perfect for Philly because he doesn't
give a crap, you know what I mean. Like, and
like I think that there's this like kind of like
defiant like I am who I am, you know, and
that's it. And I sort of think you like need
that hard shell to coach in a place like that,

(52:20):
you know what I mean, like where you really don't
you really don't care what what what what what the
outside world thinks, you know. So I think, you know,
I've sort of gone from like is he the right
guy to coach? In that city now, Like I think
he's sort of got the perfect mentality for it.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
I just it's almost like winning doesn't matter. Wait what,
like like that's the whole goal and all he does
is win games there. That's why the whole conversations was
weird to me before the season, and it's weird to
me now, Like he's like twenty five games over five hundred,
Like that's got.

Speaker 6 (52:52):
To count forty four nineteen or something.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Yeah, like what do we do And it's like, well,
we're not talking like he's been one and done in
the playoffs?

Speaker 4 (52:59):
You could, are you?

Speaker 2 (53:00):
They should have beaten the Chiefs in that Super Bowl
like they would to a Super Bowl. Like, I just
that one's that one, you know, to look.

Speaker 6 (53:07):
At that, it's like you have beat by an all
time great, you know what I mean. Like that's like
that's like losing the Brady back in the day. It's
like you obviously would rather win than lose, But if
your loss is coming to that guy in the Super Bowl,
sometimes it's just like, well that's just the lake couse,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Albert Breer joining us here on Fox Sports Radio on
the subject of McCarthy, Like we were kind of kicking
this around yesterday because Jerry Jones threw this out there, Well,
it wouldn't be the craziest idea to get him an extension.
Do you think he's back, because I hope he's back.
I love the way he's handled this year to where
he's just kind of laughed off all the Jerry Jones
interviews and comments about the offense. But like if if

(53:43):
say Belichick doesn't want to be a part of it,
and you start really you know, narrowing down candidates because
they want to go elsewhere, if I find it hard
to believe that you would find somebody better than Mike
McCarthy to take that job.

Speaker 6 (53:57):
Yeah, And I mean that's always, that's always what's going
to be the question coming into the year when they
decided not to extend him. And that's what's tricky about it,
you know, is that like, if you're them, you can't
just like say like, okay, like let's try it for
another year. You have to negotiate a whole new contract
with him, which means you're recommitting to him, right, and
which means is like this isn't just for the here

(54:18):
and the now, It's for two or three years because
I think like if he had if he hadn't, I
would look at this differently if he had, like a
if he was if he had been extended like a
couple of years ago, like let's say they extend them
after the twenty two season, and now he's under contract
through like twenty twenty seven, I'd probably look at this
a lot differently. I'd be like, Yeah, he's handled this

(54:40):
really well, and like it's like a horrific situation just
as far as like at the injuries and then the
adjustment on defense, and like he's like sort of managed
this to a point where like I mean you look
at like against this against like some other teams in
the way that some other teams have circle the drain,
Like his guys are still fighting, you know, So like

(55:03):
I'm with you like that, Like if he was on
an existing contract in the next year, like I think
it would be like fifty to fifty maybe better than
that that he's back, and you know what complicates it
now is like having to do a whole new contract
with him and and you're right, like I don't know,
like when they moved on from Wade Phillips in two
thousand and in twenty ten, like they knew who the

(55:27):
next head coach was going to be, you know what
I mean, Like they knew, like we've groomed Jason Garrett,
like this is our guy. We're going with Jason Garrett right.
Like they it's not like there's somebody there for them
this time around where it's like, yeah, there's the obvious tick,
go get them, you know, unless maybe a Selichick. But
I I just I don't know. I'm with you, like,
like this thing I think has gotten a little bit

(55:47):
more complicated because I do think McCarthy has done like
an admirable job getting the team where it needs to
be in a really weird.

Speaker 5 (55:55):
Situation, there's going to be quite a few coaching might
I think it might be a pretty high level or
a pretty high number of of coaching opportunities, including possibly
in Dallas. But when you hear a h a person

(56:16):
a high up in and an organization like the Bears
come out and say their job will be the most
coveted job to get as as a head coach, is
that do you buy that? Like? Yeah, I didn't either,
But give me your perspective on it.

Speaker 6 (56:34):
I mean, I think LeVar right, I just think like so,
I mean like part of the issue like to me
is like it is like you look at like and
again like I think, like it's easy to look at
a roster see like, yeah, there's a lot to work
with there, and I think there there there is, there's
a good based talent Chicago. But then I think you
got to look at the history of ownership because that's

(56:55):
the ones that you can't change, and like we're have
coaches there before had trouble and like, okay, like am
I going to be able to set it up the
way that I want to set it up? And you know,
I think like you can judge the attractiveness of these
jobs by like like are you turning off certain factions
of coaches but with some element of your operation? And

(57:15):
like I do think for the Bears, the trouble is
like if you're a mic Vrabel or you're a Bill Belichick,
who I both think like would be would would would
have interest in that job, Like do you look at
it and say, well, like do I have to come
in and work for Ryan Poles? Is the is the
reporting structure going to be the same? How much of us,
say am I going to have in personnel? Like there

(57:38):
are all of these unanswered questions where it's just you know,
you're are you are you going in with a chance
to build something the way you want to build it?
Or are you inheriting the old problems that Matt Eberflus
had to deal with, you know what I mean? Like
so like I think that that's the one thing that's difficult.
It's like when when you when you go through these
half measures and you're you're firing one guy but not

(57:59):
the other guy, and then like a lot of like
other fasts the organization are staying the same, Like what
are you really doing? Are you confirming that like what
you were doing before was right and this one person
was the problem. And then if you're a coach looking
at different jobs, is it attractive to walk into that
where it's like all right, these people already think they

(58:20):
were right about what they were doing the last few years,
even though they haven't made the playoffs, you know, in
the last four years. Like is there like like like
am I going to be able to overcome the problems
of the coach before me?

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Face?

Speaker 6 (58:35):
Like I think that's the trouble with it.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Albert Breer with us here on Fox Sports Radio abe,
do you because I've seen some people.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
Kind of kick this around.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
And then obviously Florio started back up when he was
talking about, you know, should the Bears call the Niners about,
you know, a trade for Kyle Shanahan. But there was
you know, there's stuff that was out there about you know,
has it run its course? So on and so forth.
Do you buy that that maybe we could see a
change when it comes to the head coach in San
Francisco one way or the other.

Speaker 5 (59:09):
Not really.

Speaker 6 (59:11):
I think the Niners really like the way they're set up.
I think there's like a lot of smart people in place.
I think Kyle has the run of the place, has
like things like in a way where he can have
a major say in personnel, where the team's gonna be
shaped in in the way that that he wants it shaped.

(59:31):
He's got smart people there that he respects, that he
works with, that are outside the coaching staff. So I
just I have a hard time seeing where like San
Francisco would move on from that, or like where where
Kyle would say, yeah, like I want to pull up
stakes and get the hell out of here, and there's

(59:52):
there's greener grass somewhere else. Now, maybe it's you know,
like if you look in Chicago, his dad's from there,
you know, like he it's it's an iconic franchise as
a quarterback there, like maybe there'd be some interest, But
I think overall, like San Francisco's got a lot of
the things that like and remember, Chicago to get him
would also probably have to blow up a lot of things,

(01:00:12):
just as far as the way they're structured. But but
I think overall, like San Francisco is probably still like
the best situation for him. But that doesn't mean if
I'm not if I'm another team, I wouldn't I wouldn't
be calling like I I think it's I think it
makes all the sense of the world, especially for these teams,
the Bears, the Saints, the Jets like, who have like

(01:00:32):
given themselves like this extra runway to look. I think
it makes all the sense in the world for those
teams to call anyone. I mean, shoot, call the Steelers,
Umike Comlin, you know what I mean, Like like I
like I would I like I call the call the
Ravens on John Harbaugh, you know, like I I I
I don't see the harm in doing that. If you're
if you're a team that's looking, you know, because you

(01:00:53):
never think it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
Could harm the relationship though, Like to me, yeah, you
do that with the Ravens or or like some of
the names you just mentioned, but they're having success. So
it's like it's like we threw it out there, like
it's no, Like I know I'm secure, you know, if
I'm if I'm a horrball. But but if this is
Kyle Shanahan, you know, after a season like this, I

(01:01:15):
need to feel supported, right, Like I need to know
like hey, John, like, hey, guys, we're we're still on
the same page, right, Like what you mean?

Speaker 6 (01:01:23):
I know what I'm saying, but I'm saying if you're
one of those other teams, okay, okay, if you're one
of those other teams about them, Okay, you're calling about that,
calling about that, like call call the owner owner, you
know what I mean, the owner calls their owner like, hey, like,
we know this is out of ost field, we know
this is probably a no. But would you have any interest,

(01:01:45):
like would there be any interest in doing coach? I
mean I just think, like you know, I think like
it's just you have to look at some of the
guys who've been in single places for a long time
where it's like would you ever need a change the scene?
And these questions have come up with Harbaugh and Tomlin,
you know, because those guys happened in those places for
so long. Harbaugh's what in seventeen years in Baltimore and

(01:02:09):
Tomlin's at eighteen years in Pittsburgh. You know, like so
like it can't harm that, It can't doesn't harm anything
for an owner to call another owner to make that
call and say like, look like like we know this
is probably a no, but like a way I kicked myself.
I didn't ask, and so like would this at all
be possible? And I'll likelihood it would probably be a no,
and hang up the phone. And that's that. Well what

(01:02:31):
happens if something happens in three or four weeks, like
where you know, maybe they changed their perspective. Well, now
like if there were a conversation to have, they would
call you back, you know. So I don't think that
there's any harm in that, and I think that could
that should be a part of just being very thorough
and what you're doing when you're looking for a new
coach ab.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
We got less than thirty seconds. Are you going to
throw your support behind Penn State. Just do it for
the old big ten as opposed to.

Speaker 6 (01:02:58):
Or Yeah, I'm a big timp here and talk Lar
you got me. I do like Dan Landing a lot.
But yeah, but but yeah, but yeah, I think uh,
I'll be interested to see how you guys. But you
got an Ohio boy out there at quarterback. We'll see
how Alan plays.

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
Oh there you are, So there's the sneak take credit.
Okay with you, Albert Breer.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
You'll see him later on tonight on Amazon's NFL on
prime coverage.

Speaker 6 (01:03:26):
Hey, a LeVar, the best best ten State teams have
always had Ohio guys.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
I mean John Carter diced them boys up the last
time we saw them. So I'm with you there.

Speaker 6 (01:03:36):
I've had I've had to hear those revenge storylines a lot,
trust me. I thought I thought Alan might be dishing
one of them out. He hasn't yet, but I know
we'll see what happens on Saturday, a b.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
We appreciate it, and we'll watch you later on tonight.
All right, than there is Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the m m QB and part
of Amazon's NFL on prime coverage, which will feature the
Line and the Packers later on tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
Get him on ex at Albert Brier