Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe

Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys react to the Packers shutting out the Saints on MNF. The beef between Kirk Herbstreit and Shannon Sharp is borderline comical. And NFL Columnist for CBSSports, Pete Prisco stops and debates what the Vikings and Raiders will do at quarterback next season.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Arings and Rady Win and Jonas Knox
on radio.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Happy Christmas Eve to everyone.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
That doesn't really feel like Christmas Eve to me, but
you know I'm here with y'all.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Yeah, well, listen, there's a I mean, we could have
a plenty of conversation about Christmas Eve. By the way,
no Brady Quinn on the show. He will be back
with us, you know after the holiday. I mean even
like even a even Christmas Eve could could result in
the PD suspension.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Of a man. Q and New Orleans must be in
the same place because they didn't show up last night either.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Yeah, listen, there was a football game last night.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
I think is that what it was? Green Bay played
a football game.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
I don't know what you called.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
It, man, New Orleans sticks sang. Thank god they're hosting
the Super Bowl this year, because that's as close as
they're getting for a long ass time. They're in salary cap.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Hell, that's the closes. The Lombardi's gonna come to their place.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
That is a that's a rough one. It's like the
loser who goes and buys a picture frame at a store,
and he just keeps the pictures that were inside of
it because he doesn't want to rewrite it. He has
no family. The Saints are like, you don't want at
least the Super bowls here? Can we just can we
just get a picture of that, because that's the closest
we're gonna be for a long Timeang, congratulations to the
Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
They look good, but but green u but New Orleans
looked so bad it made me question, are the Packers
continuing to improve? I'll say this, to win the game
thirty four nothing in a an NFL game, it is
not easy.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
I don't care how bad.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
For a shut out of the year, it's not It's
not easy to shut a team out for one for two.
Even if New Orleans is as bad as we say
they are, they're still an NFL team, and you got
to handle your business and take care of your business
because any given Sunday, a team like that can beat you.
And they decisively tore them apart thirty four points. They

(02:15):
played defense, lights out defense like Rashaw Gary. Rashaw Gary
leads that defense. They are They are as good as advertising.
And I'm very curious. I'm very curious because all of
a sudden, you have at least four teams in the

(02:36):
NFC that are emerging as as legit teams that could
possibly win at all, not just when, not just when
the NFC, they could legitimately win it all.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Green Bays or excuse me, Detroit's injuries has opened everything up.
I think, and look, offensively, they still got a ton
of talent. Defensively, they're ravaged with injuries. I don't think
either Minnesota or green Bay, who has seen them twice,
would lose to them.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
I don't think they're worried about having to go to
Detroit to have to play him. I don't think they
look at that and go, Okay, that's a daunting task.
I mean, yeah, green Bay lost to Detroit twice this year,
but I don't think I don't think green Bay looks
at Detroit and says, oh man, I'm not sure we
can get there. I don't think Minnesota looks at Detroit
and says, oh man, I'm really hoping, you know, if
we've got to go through Detroit and looka Minnesota is

(03:30):
still alive for the one seed still alive to potentially
take that spot. I look at it and I go,
I think, and we can have the conversation about the AFC.
The NFC is way more wide open than the AFC
is right now because Detroit suffered all those injuries, and
I think to your point, it has opened the door
for a team like Green Bay who can run the football.

(03:52):
Josh Jacobs had a little bit of a down game
last night as far as yardage goes, but Green Bay's
got a real shot and credit to that organization, credit
to Jordan Love and Matt lafloran company and your guy,
Brian Gudakunst who has put together that team. Jordan Loved,
the quarterback of the Packers, actually spoke afterwards to say,

(04:15):
but yeah, he had another below.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Doesn't mean to get into the playoffs, trespen etation along
not You've probably got hurt.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
What's what's the moon like?

Speaker 5 (04:24):
No, it's it's a big time you know, that's something
that obviously the goal is super Bowl. So that's the
first step right there, is making the playoffs. Obviously this
was a big time game to clinch that spot. And uh,
I'm proud of the way we came out here, handled
business and uh yeah, so it's a big time.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
So They've now made the playoffs in all but one
year since Matt.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Lafloor has been there was a beast man la Floor.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
You would have thought with Aaron Rodgers and the way
he kind of carried him at times that he was
like just like, you know, Aaron Rodgers pet You remember
you remember when Aaron Rodgers went up to the defense.
It's a coordinator and dap the defensive coordinator up like
Lafloor ain't got nothing to do with this success.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Let me wrap up my decordinator.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
You remember when that happened, and there was like a
moment in town where you're like, man, Matt Lafleura, like, geez,
didn't he get lucky getting you know, Aaron Rodgers as
a young rookie head coach and all that. Everybody was
must be nice, must be nice? Right, hey, man, he's legit.

(05:28):
He's legit. And I tell you who else is legit? Jacobs? Yeah,
Josh Jacobs is legit. Now, he didn't break a hundred.
He didn't break a hundred on him, like a hundred,
you know, a hundred, that's what you say. You know,
he ain't break a hundred. A scene some of yeah, yeah,
he didn't break a hundred, but he is out here
making a statement. It's taking the pressure, you know. It's

(05:52):
Jordan Love moved the ball around so much last night.
Like you didn't see a receiver with crazy a crazy stuf,
but you saw a lot of receivers with targets and
with yards. And Josh Jacobs gives Jordan Love that outlet.
I talked about it last year. Jordan Love had Aaron
Aaron Jones as an outlet. And any quarterback that has

(06:17):
an outlet in their backfield where I can just give
it to you right here. It's quick, it's closed, I
won't miss it, and you can do things with that
ball where you force defenses to if you pay attention
people like you'll see you'll watch some football games, pay
attention to the fact that no defenses really don't pay

(06:41):
attention to running backs once they leave the backfield, if
they flare, if they go into the flats, defenses really
don't account for them very much outside of them running
the ball. So when you get a receiver that can
actually run the ball, but when they they stay in

(07:01):
they block right and then they release, you gotta cover them.
Somebody's got to cover them or you gain an extra
man when a when a quarterback knows that they're running back,
can give them protection and catch the ball in the
passing game, in the short game for one. I mean
some of them like the Kamaras of the world, and

(07:22):
you know a few others, the Cemax they can actually
go out and be receivers as well. You plan for them.
But it's very, very difficult. It's very difficult for a
defense to maintain or want to take take a defender
and put it on the back in the past because
generally speaking, quarterbacks aren't throwing it to them. The ones

(07:46):
that do and they use their backs correctly and they
use their backs effectively. It opens up your passing games.
It creates different lanes for your your receivers. It creates
a level of to me, a level of comfort for
for the quarterback. And Jordan loves has really really I

(08:09):
think at this point Jonas he has exceeded what it
is that you look at and what you want your
quarterback to be. We were we were talking yesterday or
the other day. Yeah, maybe it was yesterday about how
I think q May made mention of the fact that
how this is the model you're going to want which
Jordan Love didn't come in and play right away. But

(08:30):
you're gonna want a quarterback to come in and from
your draft pick and play right away and turn your
your team around like Jaydon Daniels is doing in Washington.
It made me think about this, and it made me
think about Laflor, and it made me think about you
know that that actual that actual thought process is that
can you actually do it? And the analogy that I

(08:54):
came up with was it's like having you know, and
and they talking like and racing and NASCAR, right you
have now everybody has to use the same parts and everything,
right Like, you don't get to use this different that
you're basically in essence, putting the same car out there

(09:15):
on the track. I feel like right now in the
NFL with these types of quarterbacks that are coming into
the league, if you get an elite quarterback, you're basically
putting the same type of quarterback out there on the field.
Question is is is the organization? Is the organization not

(09:36):
the coach? Is the organization the proper driver for the vehicle? Yeah,
because you can have the same car, but some reason
somebody comes and last with that same car, and somebody
wins the race with that same car.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Well, we've been talking about it, and it's so like
to see the differences between the two is a stamp,
but if it shouldn't be. If you, if you've been
following these two organizations for the past three, four, five decades,
the difference between the Packers and the Bears is astonishing
in the sense that the Bears like for people that

(10:14):
have not been paying close attention, Caleb Williams is playing good,
like he had a really good game the other this
past Sunday against Detroit. Like he's playing good, hasn't He's
like setting rookie records for not throwing an interception like
he's he's playing He's getting better and better and better.
He's accuracy down the field at times, still needs to
work on that, but he's gotten much better. He is

(10:36):
the last of their problems. For an organization who the
quarterback has always been the problem. They could figure out
the defense, they could identify a running back, they could,
they had all. Now they finally have the quarterback figured out.
The defense is a sieve. They can't run the football
and their offensive line has let him get sacked what

(10:58):
sixty times in the NFL most in the Green Bay
hires Matt Lafleur, and the Bears are trying to find
a coach. The whole like, from start to finish, top
to bottom, the whole thing is a disaster. Green Bay
hires Matt Lafleur, who called plays for one year in
Tennessee and it's not like the Titans offense was lighting
the league on fire. Hired him for one off of

(11:20):
calling plays one year. He comes to the Packers and
and to your point, the thought was, well, it's it's
Aaron Rodgers. It's you know, he's only doing it because
he's got Rogers. Rogers is a Hall of Fame quarterback.
Let's see what we can do since Rogers has left,
the Packers organization is ascended and Aaron Rodgers is in

(11:41):
the midst of whatever the hell the experience with the
Jets is because that organization, I mean, a full blown
diaper fire, and it's just still lost by the way,
I mean, I know that's like maybe not breaking news anymore,
but you know, they did lose again. But it's like
Green like nobody had Matt leafleor as this top can

(12:02):
Matt Lafleur was looked at as like well, he's a
Sean McVay guy. You know, he's one of these McVey guys.
Let's do in that little youth movement, Like what other
evidence do you need to know that that organization does
it the right way. So if they're drafting a quarterback,
they're probably going to get it right. If they're hiring
a head coach, they're probably gonna get it right because
their organization is stable and they do it the right way.

(12:24):
And I'll bet you if you were to pull Rogers
aside and ask him like, hey, uh, do you have
a better appreciation for the Packers organization now that you've
seen the clown show that is the Jets. Rogers are
probably big. Oh you have yeah, you have no idea,
You have no idea. So just to see that they're
back in the playoffs with Jordan Love and Josh Jacobs

(12:48):
and Matt leaflor Is their coach, who was a one
year play caller in Tennessee and not a guy that
people looked at and said, oh, that's going to be
the next big thing in the world of coaching. That's
just that stable or organizations, that's a functional, high operating
organization that does things the right way. And it's paying dividends.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
It's a very very Is it timing? Is it by
chance or fate? I don't really know, but I mean
you're right, it's like this team got better. It was
like they were released, like like Aaron Rodgers was actually

(13:28):
like holding these boys hostage basically.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
And by the way, I just want to be clear,
as the star of Aaron Rodgers Netflix documentary, I support
Aaron Rodgers and his decision. He needed to go a
separate way. But the Jets organization in comparison to the
Packers is just a disaster.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
And what's crazy is there were two names at the
epicenter of all of the confusion with the New York Jets,
and one of the names is Aaron Rodgers. You had
drama playing out in Green Bay? How much drama have
we heard play out in Green Bay since Aaron Rodgers
is left?

Speaker 4 (14:06):
The only drama we had was Lee trying to win
rubber duckies out of a klama.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Which if that's drama, I mean you're doing well. This
dude was really spending money and time and energy and
was excited about winning rubber duckies with a claw still
in Where.

Speaker 6 (14:23):
Was that playing the Frozen Tundra. Is that the name
of that direct frozen Tundra?

Speaker 3 (14:27):
That is fricking, And you know, to be honest with you,
it's like knowing your your audience. It's like knowing your
audience because that restaurant or someone whoever built that machine
knew that there was a Lee out there that wanted
to spend his money to and it's time to get
rubber duckies.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
That's weird to me.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
By the way, there's people listening on the game in
Wisconsin right now. They're like, Wow, he did that. What
a loser, What a complete loser. Nobody goes to the
rubber ducky Klama. Sheine also one off the poll tabs.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
So I just know this. You might be a serial killer.
And you know what, let me tell you something, Lee,
I got a burner. I will pop your ass. I
promise you. I ain't playing around. Don't bring that ass
my way.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
If when he starts using his middle name, don't bring
that my way when talking about himself, then we got
a serial in their name.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
I did have a burner read too, by the way,
So just so you know that was me, not you.
I just didn't see it.

Speaker 6 (15:32):
By the way, I found a new duck machine twice
the size of the claw. I got three the other day,
three and one.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, man, hey look here, man, and keep my family
out of it too. Like if you're if you're like
deciding you're about to go on like one of them
little spreees. Bro, if they say please, I'm like, you know,
I'm an Errington. Just just give them a pass, bro,
Just give them a pass, all right. Don't when when
you finally like lose it and you find and you

(16:01):
know what's crazy, serial killers don't lose it. They're like
very sophisticated. Actually, yeah, so what I'm telling you is
and I'm not going see me. Yeah, see what I mean?
Hey man, it's listen, it's a problem. Just leave Loraina
so we can still have a board. I like Mark,
but Loraina's cool.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
Hey, they I'll tell you this right now. You ever
see narcos, stay away from my in laws. You don't
want that smoke, buddy, They've.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Come for you. You don't want that they got.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Well, I mean, the only problem we have here with
Lee is everybody's going to know, like if anything were
to happen to us, they're going to think at you, Lee,
they're just telling.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
You there's a trail of Evan Williams's mini bottles. I
find They're like, oh, we don't done it. We got him.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
But seriously, you haven't heard anything out of Green Bay
since Aaron Rodgers has left. Name me one piece and
I guarantee you so something has happened. There's all kinds
of things that happen in a locker room during the
courtse of a season.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
We haven't heard.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Yeah, what's the biggest drama at green Bay since Rodgers left?

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Name it what, Lee, you're a fan?

Speaker 3 (17:12):
He named the biggest headline drama, drama written, or drama
driven that's come out of Green Bay since Aaron Rodgers
has left.

Speaker 6 (17:22):
They had issues with their defensive coordinator last year. Obviously
they got rid of Devonja Campbell, who has now been
dismissed from the Niners. The Niners, so they've been, you know,
they've been doing the right things. If anything, there was
remnants of the Rogers regime and it's only getting cleaner.
If anything, here's my observation, Lafleur looks mad every time

(17:45):
I look at him.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Yeah, that's the best part about him. He's got a
little red ass.

Speaker 6 (17:48):
Yeah, yeah, and I like it. Yeah, it looks like
he's so he.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Wasn't allowed to have a puffy bottom with Aaron Rodgers there.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
Maybe not, maybe he didn't feel like he was entitled yet,
but they're like the The great thing about Leaflor too,
is that you know a clean cut guy, you look
at him, you go, Okay, he's not your typical like
he's the complete opposite of like a Mike Holmgren or
Mike McCarthy. And yet he's had more altercations with either officials.

(18:19):
He was running off the field and bumped into somebody.
He ran off the field, was trying to get off
the field, had an altercation with a Detroit Lions fan
who got a season tickets revoked.

Speaker 6 (18:29):
Like you mentioned that, Like Matt Leaflor will get into it, man.
I do have one thing from the offensive side though.
Romeo Dubbs was suspended one game this season. Oh that's right,
but now he's come back gangbusters.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
But what I'm saying to you is, you guys are
furthering my point. I just said things are going to happen.
Things happen. There are things happening, but you don't hear
it as this like this tremendous, wild ass story that's
playing out in the media. It doesn't play out in

(19:01):
the media the same way. It doesn't. It just doesn't.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
And that's an Aaron Rodgers effect.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Do you think there's a by chance because a lot
of drama takes place in New York? But how much
more did that ass ratchet up once Aaron Rodgers got there?

Speaker 2 (19:20):
It went through the roof. Like all you hear.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Is about the drama playing out in New York. I mean,
I'm just saying, listen, I'm not Aaron Rodgers does listen
to this stuff. I mean, guy, so I support him.
I'm just I'm older. I'm older than you anyway, you
could kiss my ass anyway. And I am retired and
I don't have any any dog in the fight. But bruh,

(19:47):
you be bringing drama. You be bringing drama. And now
you can actually look at where you just left. That
team is thriving like they never had. And oh, well,
I won a Super Bowl. Yeah you did, you did.
It wasn't what it wasn't with Lafleoor. But you did

(20:08):
win a Super Bowl and you did have MVPs. You did,
you accomplished. That's great. But this team looks like it's
a team.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
It's not. It's not.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
You don't hear anything like it's Jordan love, Jordan Love,
Jordan Love, Jordan Love, Jordan Love. Like there's nothing like
that going on. Jordan Love just seems like this this
just quiet, unassuming, humble human being that goes about his
business and it's trying to make his team the best
team ever. I didn't like the fact that they let
Aaron Jones go. I thought it was a tremendous miss.

(20:41):
And then lo and behold, Josh Jacobs gets in there,
and he is he He is super effective. He has
made this team and this offense probably as complete as
it can possibly be. You're finally getting your receivers back healthy.
So now you got your receivers out there. They just
look really good, man, and they look healthy. They look

(21:03):
like they're emotionally healthy out there and not dealing with
any type of you know, ulterior motives or flexing of
the muscle or.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Anything like that.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
It just looks like it's a team that's trying to
go in the right direction. They're dangerous. I'm telling you,
it's a dangerous team. Green Bay's dangerous.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Josh Jacobs has got to be looking around going this
is nice, man, Like, not only am I on a
good football team and like a team that's going to
go to the playoffs and has a shot to maybe
make a run, but like I could walk around town.
It's not like Vegas, where you walk around you run
into a drug addict and a hooker within ten seconds
of each other. He just walks around, enjoys his time there.

(21:47):
You know, family atmosphere. They love the Packers, they love
their new running back. Like, what a breath of fresh
air for him? So congratulations, It's what a feel good
story on Christmas Eve for the Green Bay Packers. The Saints, well,
at least Spencer Ratler spent time at a walk in
freezer to get ready.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
For that game.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
So what what a fall from amazingness for Chase Young too? Man,
Come on, man, that dude looks like he's out there
on stilts. That was bro For one second there, I
thought he was going to be in the same conversation
as as Miles Garrett and the Michael Parsons and aut
that the dude looks like he's on stilts out there, man,

(22:27):
like he's on borrowed time.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
That knee injury was way worse than a lot of
people thought. And then he tried to rehab it on
his own and go get other opinions, and there was
you know that apparently pissed off the organization. Yeah, it
was not great.

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Speaker 4 (22:55):
So we were talking about the beef water people like
to swim in this espcially in sports media. That should
be a shirt.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
We got to yeah, write that one down.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yeah, well, so grab a snorkel away we go, Kirk
curb Street and Chris Fowler. We're having a discussion about
Ryan Day's job status and Ryan Days.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
How appropriate for this conversation. Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
So Ryan days struggles against Michigan and people that were
calling for his job, and it's the same stuff they
were saying about James Franklin. It's all the same same
people having the same discussions. But Kirk curve Street and
Chris Vowler discussed it during the game over the weekend
and it sounded like.

Speaker 7 (23:38):
This, when you hear pundits on this network at other
places talk about that with certainty.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Now it's nonsense, Frankly.

Speaker 7 (23:44):
I mean, the public doesn't pull the trigger and get
rid of the coach. Now the administrators do, and they're
behind him.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
First take tried to fire and they thought he was done.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
So I'll be excited to see what they talk about
on Monday after this performance.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Had him out trying to find replacements.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
But here is there is He still got his hat on,
He's still coaching. So that was Kirk. He paused too,
like he knew he did it too. He knew he
lit it up. Uh, he knew he lit the fuse,
Shannon Sharp. He decided to respond on ESPN yesterday and
it sounded like.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
This, I'm gonna be a good teammate.

Speaker 8 (24:25):
I'm gonna let it fly everybody at ESPN, because had
you not taken the rock you taken, I would have
lit their ass up. I'm gonna let it fly. You
know what, guys, congratulations Ohio State, you won the game.
But a if we're gonna be on the same team,
if we're gonna work for the same network, don't do that, Kirk,
Chris Pola, I promise you if you ever mentioned anything

(24:45):
any platform that I'm on again and talking about. I
wonder what they're gonna say in negativity, I promise you.
ESPN ain't got enough bosses to keep me off y'all
for what I'm gonna say. So I'm gonna let y'all
fly today. I'm gonna turn it over to D d
O before I get myself in trouble. But don't play
with me, go.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Ahead, deal.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
So there's a now here's my read on it.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
They don't have enough bosses.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
This is my read on it. Shannon Sharp a little
too sensitive, and I think they're all sensitive.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
That's the whole point of it. Yeah, that's the whole
point of why you you pop.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Off that way? That's all sensitivities.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
I mean, like that's but that's why I don't. I
don't swim in the beef water because I don't care
enough to get worked up over. Kirk Curve Street and
Chris Fowler are having a discussion and if anything, they're
promoting Hey, coming up, let's see what they're gonna have
to say on first take like that, Like I didn't
see that as anything, Like they were taking a shot

(25:46):
at Shannon Sharp.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
And then they were taking a shot. It was it
was taking a shot. But again the question now becomes
like what are you going to do?

Speaker 2 (26:01):
You know what I mean? Like what what?

Speaker 9 (26:03):
Like?

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Okay, So, Kirk so, Kirk kurb Street and Chris Fowler
decided to call you on it.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
What is it exactly that you're threatening them with?

Speaker 3 (26:12):
That's what always makes me laugh, Like you better not
do it again?

Speaker 2 (26:16):
What? Okay?

Speaker 3 (26:17):
So they go back on there, and and because Ohio
State whipped Tennessee's ass, they didn't just beat them.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
They didn't just get out of the game. They whipped
all them.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
Look, I think Ohio State looked the best of any
team all weekend.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
They looked phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
So and and and and just for everybody out there
who may not know this, Kirk kurb Street was a
quarterback for Ohio State. So he has a dog in
the fight. Shanna Sharp doesn't have a dog in that fight.
Just like I took aim and said something about James Franklin,
I have a dog in that fight. I play that

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Penn State. I don't make any owns about it. But
Kirk Herbstreet has been removed for so long you might
not remember the fact that he was a pretty damn
good quarterback for the Ohio State Buckeye So there was
a reason why kirk Herbstreet maybe took a personal a
personal approach to it. So keep that in mind. But
at the end of the day, some of these cats

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out here might be planned by the same rules you're
playing by, Shannon. Some of these guys out here might
feel exactly the same way you feel.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Try me, Try me.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Kirk Herbstreet has been at ESPN forever. Fowler has been
there forever. What are you talking about? There's not enough bosses?
What are you talking about? What? What are you going
to do?

Speaker 2 (27:57):
What exactly are you gonna do? That's weird?

Speaker 3 (28:00):
What exactly are you going to say about Chris Fowler
at Kurt Herbstreet?

Speaker 2 (28:05):
What are you going to do?

Speaker 3 (28:08):
It's dumb, It's a dumb It's a dumb deal. Like, like,
what are you swimming in those beef infested waters for?

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Like, I just like, get out of there, man, What
are you going to do?

Speaker 4 (28:20):
If somebody I've heard a couple of times that there's
been people at this network that have taken a shot
at me. I've heard a couple of times through the
grapevine I've never even gone back to listen to it,
and I've never because I don't.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Care to say.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Doug takes shots at That's part of his deal is
they take our they take our soundbites.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Doug sounds off on them.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
And that's fine. Look whatever, like because do what you
want to do. We're not always going to agree. It's fine.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
You got your.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Opinion, I got If you want to build an audience
off of taking like twitch to me, I think it's
kind of lazy. But if you want to take our opinions,
you want to take our opinions, and you you want
to build a show based off of taking our opinions
and talking about it, have at it?

Speaker 4 (29:05):
What does the Fox say?

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Have at it? Have at it? Sheesh, have at it.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
But at the end of the day, at the end
of the day, what have you really what have you
really like done to impact me? Like what Shannon Sharp said,
Shannon Sharp is throwing something out there like I'm going
to impact your lives. There ain't enough bosses here. There's
not enough bosses here to handle what it is. I'm

(29:32):
gonna bring your way. If you ever mentioned my name again,
what do you mean? What do you mean we're talking
about words. That man is sitting there talking about something
y'all said.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
He ain't lying.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
It's not like he.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Put out something that was false.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
I'll be interested to hear what y'all gotta say, because
this is what y'all said.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Did y'all not say? Y'all said it? That man went
to Ohio State, he called the game. You got a.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Problem with him saying, I'll be interested to hear what
First take says.

Speaker 10 (30:10):
He's on ESPN. You're on ESPN. Y're all on ESPN.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Kerb Hurt Street didn't say yeah, yeah, first take, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
This is oh, this is this is OS.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
This is O hi oh shoot program.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Like he my man wasn't talking like like he gonna
come and beat your asses.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
That bad didn't throw no threats at y'all.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
He's coming to the six one four.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
I'm interested to hear what y'all gotta say about him now,
because if you're gonna here's my thing, if you're gonna talk,
if you gonna talk head on somebody, right, if you're
gonna talk bad about him, then let's hear what you
say when they when they prove out that man proved
out Tennessee. People thought Tennessee was gonna win that game.
There were a lot of people that thought Tennessee was
gonna win that game. I bet on him, and and

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and and Ryan Day might be on his head. A
lot of people thought that. And not only did they
win that game, they whooped them. They whooped them boys.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
So what you're gonna say, don't don't not talk about it? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (31:19):
Right?

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Is that real? Don't not talk about it.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
It's just it's being overly sensitive to you got something
wrong or you were expecting a different result and it
didn't go your way, and you don't like the fact that.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Somebody called you on it, like welcome to Like that's
what this is. I called you on it?

Speaker 4 (31:37):
Like have I have I gotten credit one time for
a pick? I've gotten right on this show? I remember
exactly and I'm five hundred knox locks. But I get
reminded constantly about everyone I get wrong. And that's okay.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
I don't.

Speaker 9 (31:52):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
There's no you don't take offense to it. There's nothing
wrong with that. But then yeah, to your point, Shannon's sharp,
like like like he was gonna throw down.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Nobody stop.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
What's about to happen to you if you bring up
my name again on any of the platforms.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
That's Kirk Herbstreet. It's gonna beat up Kirk Kurbstreet. By
the way, Chris Fowler secretly jacked for people that don't
know gotta be kind of a jack the guys.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Hey, man, all I'm saying is, Shannon Sharp, you didn't
accomplish way too much to be that sensitive bro, Like, I.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Get it, the whole row Sparks thing.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
And then going back to you know, god dag uh
skip trying to like talk bad on you while you like,
you know, like, hey, bro, like you've done you You've
you're You're a role model to a lot of guys.
A lot of people look up to you. People get
into the business based off of things you're doing. Man,
you've done some excellent things. Man, that's a bad look.

(32:52):
That's a bad look, man, Like, like there ain't enough
like let me stop for I get in trouble. What
are you gonna get trouble for? What? What are you like? Bro?
I'm gonna tell you right now again, there are some
dudes out here that don't play like that.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
Who you got in a fight Shannon Sharp versus Fowler
and Herbstreet two on one.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Shannon Sharp, Shan and Sharp is a bruh. He's in shape,
he's strong as hell. He probably whipped the hell out
of both of them.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
You get good, good odds.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
But I don't want to see that because I don't
want to see it, and I don't want to hear
about it. Don't talk about no stuff like, don't talk
about beef like that.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
I don't want to see that.

Speaker 9 (33:34):
Man.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
So what are you talking about?

Speaker 9 (33:36):
Man?

Speaker 3 (33:37):
ESPN is not firing Kirk Herbstreet over sand and Sharp.
So what exactly are you it's threatening?

Speaker 2 (33:44):
They ain't.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
They ain't firing Chris Fowler. He brought it up. So
what exactly are you threatening? In case you missed it?
Y'all black?

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Damn.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
Well, that's true.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
There is a limitation to some of the things. That's
all right. Well, I know y'all generating a ton of
money for.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Esp tell me about it.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
I know y'all knowing it.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
But Steve and that you could go Jason Whitlock, he's
black too, damn.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
You hain't seem said to.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Do at the skip when they was sitting on the table,
say something else about me again? Skip Say something about
me again, and you'll see how many bosses there are.
You'll see what it is. Say something else again. You
ain't see that.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Right now, we are going to turn it over to
the smooth operator himself. He is a senior NFL columnist
at CBS Sports. He is a CBS Sports HQ analyst.
He is the great Pete Prisco. Hell yeah, you find
him on x at Prisco CBS. Hey, Peter, are you familiar?
First of all, Merry Christmas to you and yours. Merry Christmas, Peter.

(34:58):
Are you familiar with the term beef water?

Speaker 2 (35:01):
We just created it here on this show.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
All right, So here, here's here's what it means. It
means people who just love beefing social media in the media.
They just they can't get enough of it. And it
feels like some people in our industry are really all
about that, just beefing with other people in the industry.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
One of those.

Speaker 9 (35:21):
No, I mean, do I like a good argument with somebody. Absolutely,
Am I going to get into it with them on
Twitter on a constant basis anymore? No, because everybody's looking
to take you down. So, you know, the way I
look at it, it's not worth it to argue with
a guy who's living in his basement and has four followers.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
But what if the beef is against somebody else that
isn't living in a basement and doesn't have four followers.

Speaker 9 (35:45):
Well, I mean I used to argue with LeVar all
the time on his when he had his show in DC.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
We didn't beef.

Speaker 9 (35:50):
We never had no beef. We just you just lost
a lot of arguments.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah, that's fine, that's perfectly fine. I'm okay with that.
Did did you hear about what took place with herb
Street and Sharp?

Speaker 9 (36:04):
Yeah? I mean, look, there are certain people in our
industry that have a self importance about themselves, and the
reality is you're not any more important than anybody else.
Just you know, they look what I did, Look at me,
Look at I mean the beat between Ryan Clark and
Aaron Rodgers. You're kidding me, Give me a break, I
mean the whole thing there. Let's put it this way.

(36:25):
There's probably twenty people in this industry that walk around
and act like they invented the damn game. And you know,
like the game never the game never happened before they
were covering it. It never happened after or before they
played it, never happened after. And here's the bottom line,
And LaVar, you were in an NFL locker, you've been around,
You get hurt, they kick you to the curbs so

(36:48):
fast you may well be dead in that locker. You
know that, when somebody's hurt in the locker room, I
don't care who you are, if you're a star of
the team or whatever team's playing on, you're dead. You
walk through, you're dead. And that's basically the game goes
on without you. The game will go on long before,
it went on long before us, It will go long
long after us, and quit having a self importance. Who

(37:09):
the hell do you think you are?

Speaker 4 (37:10):
Yeah, happy holidays from Pete Prisco. Everybody what you're injured,
You're dead. That's kind of true, Pete. How surprised are
you now that we've seen the Packers get to the postseason.
Now that we see the Packers get to the postseason
fifth time in six years, for Matt Lafleur. How surprised

(37:30):
are you at the success that Matt laflor has had,
because I don't know that a lot of people expected
this when the hire was made, and yet here he
is again in the postseason without Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 9 (37:42):
He's a great coach. He's a great coach. And look,
he hasn't won a Super Bowl, so that people hold out.
We told that against you, But you know, at one point,
I think you it's the first coach to have three
straight twelve wins or thirteen win seasons. At one point,
nobody even knows that he's done a fantastic job. I mean,
he really has. And this team I picked them to
go to the super Bowl. I picked them this play

(38:03):
the Bills the Super Bowl. I still like my peck.
I think they can get on one of those hot runs.
They're physical. You know, that's the one thing that you
always used to say about the Packers. They're not physical.
They can score, they're pretty, they can do a lot
of things, but they're not physical. This team is physical.
The line is good. The offensive line is really good.
They can run the ball. Jacobs can run the ball.
They have a lot of weapons to throw it. To
when they need to throw it, and then you go

(38:23):
to the defensive side of the ball. Jeff Athley's done
a great job with that group, and they're much more physical.
You know, it's just okay, the Saints aren't very good,
but they physically mauled them. But they went to Seattle
two weeks ago and physically maled that team at their place.
And that's the sign of a team that can get
hot and going out in the playoffs and win a
lot of games.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Pete, looking at how the playoff pitcher is is unfolding,
What to you is most intriguing at this this moment,
you know, during the course of the season.

Speaker 9 (38:56):
Well, I think you have to look at the hot teams.
I mean, the Rams are the hot team. Who are
they going to play in the first round? That's an
interesting one. Yeah, you know you're going to get one
of those NFC North teams. Which one is it going
to be? Is it going to be? You know, where
do you want to be? Do you want to be three?
Do you want to be four? You know, there's there's
some of that going on too. For example, you play

(39:18):
if you're the if you're the Texans this week and
you're playing the Ravens and you win that game, you
pretty much I think you're going to try and you
might end up with the third seed. Right, do you
want to play the Ravens again in case they're the wildcard.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Game or you know what I mean?

Speaker 9 (39:33):
I don't so, I I think you have to start
looking at who's going to be playing who but the
Rams and the the in the NFC North team, whoever
it is, that's going to be an interesting game because
you know, half the building is going to be full
of that NFC North teams fan base. That's just the
way they are, whether it's the Packers, the Vikings, the Line,
they're going to be there. So it's going to be

(39:54):
like a home game. And and but the Rams are hot,
and I think that that's always an intriguing one. And
then the other part of it is, uh, you know,
if the Steelers lose out to the Ravens, hour, ho
are they when they go out on the road. I
think that's an interesting one as well.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Pete Prisco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Get
him on x at Prisco CBS. So we were talking
about Antonio Pierce's comments basically doesn't give a rip about
what the fans want when it comes to the number
one draft pick and then beating your Jaguars over the
weekend and kind of basically I think themselves out of
the opportunity most likely to draft Shador Sanders. So let's

(40:29):
say they are on the outside looking in the Raiders
are when it comes to drafting a quarterback high in
the upcoming draft, what's like the next best thing? Is
it a Sam Darnold? Like, what would be the next
best thing for the Raiders if they can't get one
of those top two qbs.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Pete Jonas said, maybe trade uh, you know, Prince Charming
from out at Jacksonville to you know, to the Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
I mean, I'm just thinking, like.

Speaker 9 (40:56):
You know, the contract is the contract is untradeable. First off,
can't do that it. I mean, he's got he got
half of he got a quarter of a billion dollars,
and he got so many, so much acceleration. They're not
going to do that. They're gonna build around that guy.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
You like that?

Speaker 9 (41:10):
What's that? You like that? Of course you get you
get a right coach in there, in the right system,
he's going to be a look. If Ben Johnson goes
in there, Ben Johnson's gonna do what he did with
Jarakoff when he did, He's gonna do exactly the same
thing with with Trevor Lawrence. I believe that he's athletic,
he can move, he can throw it. I think the
system has been bad and and there's been a bunch

(41:32):
of reason. You know, injuries have killed them too. With
injuries at wide receiver. No Brian Thomas the number one
wide receiver, Trevor Lawrence stays there. They're going to be
a dynamic group when when they get the right coach
in there, and they're going to get the right coach there.
As for the Raiders, would you pay Sam Darnold forty
five million dollars a year to be a quarterback?

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yes? To do what today? Yes? You know look today today,
being in a situation that they're in right now, Yes,
I would.

Speaker 9 (41:58):
I mean, don't you think that there's a little bit
of Sam Donald the concern around the league that he
might turn into Sam Donald again?

Speaker 3 (42:06):
I mean that I think that's it's sad to say
that someone who's shown in the right and the right
situation that they can be everything that you thought they
would be, and then now based upon circumstances that that
he's had to live through and endure in his career,
that he's going to be judged and measured off of

(42:27):
those circumstances, not what his what, not what his talent
level is. Now you got to take a guy to
have the talent.

Speaker 9 (42:34):
But the other way, you can put it the other
way to Lebar and say, okay, well, okay, what about
the circumstances. Now he's got a great offensive minded head coach,
he's got Justin Jefferson. He goes to the Raiders, he
doesn't have Justin Jefferson. So the circumstances are the circumstances
now making him the player he is. You can argue
with that.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
I like the point that you're making.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
But with that being said, you got to try to
find players that can because you could say that about
any quarterback right now.

Speaker 9 (43:02):
There are guys that carry teams. There are guys that
need to be carried.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Hold on, hold on, now, hold on, I'll if we
look at around the league, what elite quarterback is elite
without elite receivers being at least one elite receiver being
a part of what they got going on. I'll give
you Patrick Mahomes. That might be the only one that
I'll give you. Who else is there?

Speaker 9 (43:27):
Josh Allen has been elite and he isn't having up
until they got Cooper, and.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
They were and they Cooper, they've hardly used him.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
I lost, but he had he had he had uh,
he had Digs. He had an elite receiver. He had Digs.

Speaker 9 (43:43):
Well, Diggs wasn't an elite receiver for the last ten
games of the year last year, where he'd barely even
the game.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Yeah, but he was been elite. He's been elite, well, Pete,
let me so.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
On the subject of Sam Darnold's let's say you're you're
the Raiders and you don't want to give him that money,
what do the Vikings do? Because I understand that they've
got JJ McCarthy. I understand they traded for Daniel Jones.
Are you really going to take a chance at going
away from the success that you've had, especially if they
make a run in the postseason, just because you've already
drafted JJ McCarthy and you're waiting for him to get healthy.

Speaker 9 (44:17):
Personally, I didn't love JJ McCarthy when he came out,
so I would probably I would tell Sam Donald. Look,
this is a great situation for you. We want you back.
We're going to give you the Baker Mayfield plus contract.
You know, give them Baker got thirty three million a year.
Give him thirty eight and say, look, you want to
stay here, we'll pay you this. It's the great opportunity
for three years. And if he says no, then off

(44:38):
he goes. Because I'm not paying him fifty million dollars
a year.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
I'm not saying fifty, but I'll say forty. You said
forty five. Now you're going to jump up five more
million dollars.

Speaker 9 (44:48):
I say this forty five. I'm not paying forty five either.
I give him the Sam Damn Donald plus. So you
get you gotta assume for you know, inflation, we know
how that is these days. So you give him thirty
seven thirty eight million a year, yes, you take it? Well,
if you don't see it.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
I think that where the market is right now and
the way he's playing, I think somebody out there would
be willing to give him that money, and I think
that they have to. You got to think about it
from that perspective. If Minnesota is willing to let him
walk away, I don't.

Speaker 9 (45:19):
Know Okay, let's let's let's let's go through it real quick.
You keep saying somebody's willing to get in.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Then it could be the Giant.

Speaker 9 (45:24):
The Jet's not going to bring him back. There's no
way that, you know, I don't think.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
No, it wouldn't be the Jets, Okay, could be the Giants,
could be the Raiders.

Speaker 9 (45:32):
Well, the Giants are going to draft the quarterback, so
that that's out. They'll have the first pick, so they're
going to draft the quarterback, so they're done.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
I mean, you could still look at what Atlanta just did.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
They could still pay a forty million dollar contract to
a quarterback that they think can come in and make
their team better.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
I don't know that what the Giants are all had
the number one pick are yes, you can't.

Speaker 9 (45:53):
You can't draft the quarterback number one pay a guy
forty forty million.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Oh that's fair, that's fair. That is I also think
that is fair.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
Look, maybe maybe JJ McCarthy or the Raiders, maybe the
Vikings do decide to keep Sam Donald, they go I
don't see that, you know, think, and you got to.

Speaker 9 (46:10):
Think about this, think about it from this standpoint too.
Tom Brady's going to go in. You know, the rumors
are Tom Brady's going to go in there and he's
going to be the guy making the football decision.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Michigan connection. That's right.

Speaker 9 (46:21):
Where did JJ McCarthy go.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
To School's talking about Pete?

Speaker 2 (46:26):
We just did it.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
Pete Prisco and I just solved the Raiders quarterback and
he's year.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Pete is on some weirdo action like you you got
your point with the number one overall pick, but you're
not going to get to in a row that one
does not fly. It's not going to happen McCarthy. They're
not letting McCarthy go. They just invested a top picking him.
They're not letting him.

Speaker 9 (46:46):
I haven't seen him ticket. They invested a top picking
him with the idea that they didn't have a quarterback.
Were now Sam Donald's a quarterback?

Speaker 3 (46:56):
No, because they already pay If you're saying that they're
not going to pay Sam Darnold, I already got my
quarterback money then, And you're saying it based upon your
logic of they have a cour have a core receiving.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Corps that would would be you know, good for any quarterback.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Why would you get rid of your draft pick for
a guy that nobody else is actually even willing to
pay for, Like, I don't.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
I don't see that logic.

Speaker 9 (47:20):
If you think you know this is what he's going
to be in your system, you keep him and let
him continue to grow. You don't.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
But do you know what he's going to be in
your system? I mean, he's good this year. It's about
your logic or you don't know what he's going to be.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
I'm not arguing with myself. I feel good about By
the way, about.

Speaker 9 (47:37):
The LeVar from the last second, last part, this second
is beating the LeVar right now. So you're you're yourself
no way. Bottom line is you're not getting rid of
get yourself.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
What what draft pick was McCarthy? What number was it?

Speaker 9 (47:50):
Was?

Speaker 4 (47:50):
He nine?

Speaker 9 (47:52):
Yeah, you could trade that.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
No you're not.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
You're not getting rid of a top ten pick. I
think he was like four, like that four or five drafted.

Speaker 9 (48:02):
When they drafted McCarthy in that spot, they didn't know
they had this version of Sam Donald on the roster.
So yes, you can trade it, no way. Here's the
other part of that. They traded a bunch of they
need draft picks too, They traded a bunch of assets.
Remember they traded to go get Dallas Turner, they traded
to get McCarthy. They have they need, They have barely
any picks in this draft, So it makes sense if

(48:25):
you believe Sam Donald is your guy, you can trade
JJ McCarthy to a team like the Raiders and get
draft picks to Replendter.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
So then they're going to pay Sam Donald forty million
dollars forty five million.

Speaker 9 (48:37):
I mean if they believe, if they believe that he's
as good as you think he is, then obviously they will.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
No, I don't buy that. I don't buy that at all.
I mean, I think they're going to open market.

Speaker 9 (48:49):
He does.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
He commands that that coin after.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
There's another aspect of it, which is, if you're Sam
Donald and you've been a journeyman throughout the course of
your career because you haven't found a stable spot, and
now you found it in Minnesota, maybe he would take
a little less to stay in Minnesota than go elsewhere
because he's like, man, this is for the betterment of
my career. Like I've bounced around the Jets, Carolina, et cetera,

(49:13):
the Niners. Now I've got my shot. It's worked.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Y'all just going to tell him how he might.

Speaker 9 (49:18):
Need to be looking at. That's the kind of situation
it was for Baker Mayfield last year. And I actually
had a conversation with Baker. Maybe I said, don't take
the hometown discount, and you know what, he ended up
kind of taking a hometown discount. He probably could have
gotten some on the more on the open market. He
decided to stay in Tampas because it's a great situation.
He loved the place, he loved the team, he loves
living there. And maybe that's the case with Sam Arnold.

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Would I do it? No, I wouldn't take the hometown discount.
If the hometown discount is a million dollars a year,
then you take the hometown discount. It's aid the hometown
discount is five million, No, you don't take it. So
I think you had to look at it from that standp.
But I think you're right Jones. I think there's an
opportunity for him to say, I love this situation. I
want to be here. They're going to pay me thirty
five to thirty eight million, thirty nine million, and I

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can go get forty two in the open market. I'm
gonna stay here.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
They have a draft pick that is rehabbing and coming
back that I'm testing the market, test the market because
that's their guy.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
They drafted him, that's their guy.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
I'm testing the market because every single thing you do
is going to be measured and judged. They're not getting
rid of McCarthy. They're gonna have McCarthy. So at the
end of the day, and they brought in, as you mentioned, Jonas,
they brought in Daniel Jones. What are deal Daniel Jones?
Deal him? What do you You're not going to deal? Yea,
you are not going to deal Pete.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
We're not going to deal McCarthy. Pete, what do you think?

Speaker 4 (50:40):
What do you think they could get for Daniel Jones
if they traded him?

Speaker 9 (50:42):
What do you think to the sandwich? Let me ask
you this. Let me Yeah, if you're the Minnesota Vikings
and you look at it from this standpoint, are we
better off with Sam Darnold and more draft picks by
trading JJ McCarthy than we are by having AJ McCarthy
and letting Sam Donald walk off into the sunset.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
I would say in the short term, it's an easy
answer to say that we're better off with Sam Donald,
and the long term, I would say that's way too
that's way too much of a risk, is way And
when would you ever have the opportunity to get a
top ten pick player Anna McCarthy and and and I
have that, like, I don't. I don't see that making sense.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
You're not.

Speaker 9 (51:27):
Here's why it makes sense, LeVar, because they forced the
top ten picks because they didn't know what they had,
and when you don't have it, you do everything you
can to solve the spot. But that's why from pressure,
and Sam Donald solved their spot as he solved it.
If he's there, I don't.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Know that he solved it. I think they're having a
fine year. I think that he's done an amazing job
as the quarterback of this team. But there was a
lot of pressure on that team to make sure that
they had a quarterback because they let one go that
that people thought they should have paid. So that's why
they forced theirselves to get that top ten pick and
to get McCarthy.

Speaker 9 (52:04):
If you if you trade away, you say yes you
might Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
No, I did say that. I did not say that.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
I think the position that the Minnesota Vikings are in,
if anything, I would pay Sam Donald and keep and
keep McCarthy as a backup until he's ready to play,
like they did with Aaron Rodgers and and Jordan Love
if anything, worst case scenario. But if I'm Sam Donald,
I'm testing the open market because anything that happens, if

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I mess up, anything that happens, I'm coming out because
they have a draft pick that's sitting behind me. I'm
testing the open market.

Speaker 9 (52:42):
Arnald twenty seven years old. So you're going to keep
them for You're got to keep McCarthy sitting there for three.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Years, Yeah, two more years, two three years.

Speaker 9 (52:50):
Yeah, he's going to be gone. He's going to be
an unrestricted free agent.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
No, he's still be under contract. And if wins the
Super Bowl, well then you think about what you're going
to do with you, think about what you're gonna do
with the other day Donald.

Speaker 9 (53:08):
If you think Sam Donald is this guy in your
building with your team and your coach, you keep Sam
Donald paying him the trade J J. McCarthy to somebody,
get more out.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
I just told him to take the hometown discount.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
You guys are talking out of both sides of your mind,
right you just fine, No, No, you're going out of
both You just said he's not worth that money on.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
You just said he's not worth that money.

Speaker 9 (53:30):
Be par two bar one, beat LeVar two, and now
LeVar two scrambling to beat the one. Only imagine what
noror no.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
I do talk it to myself in the mirror quite
a bit.

Speaker 9 (53:43):
But I like a lot of really good stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
I do too, and you know what, and he agrees
with most of everything. I say. Hey, but listen, I
think you are.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
You are sabotaging what I'm saying, because the bottom line
here to me is is that if you think that
that Sam don't Arnold is worth that to your team,
then why are you going to him saying, oh, can
you just take thirty eight? Can you just take thirty seven?
Like you're going to just pay him what the market
value of the position would be. And if you're not

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going to pay him.

Speaker 9 (54:14):
That market if you're not a market value for him.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Not if he's winning at the level of somebody who's
look at Dak Prescott, you're not.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
He's doing better than Dak. He's doing better than Dak
in one year?

Speaker 9 (54:26):
Has he done it more than Dak in one year?
Has he done it for more than one year? Has
you been better than Dak.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
For more than that, But you don't know what else
you have out there. You let your guy go, You
let Kirk Cousins go. You found the guy in free
agency by doing it with Sam Darnold. No, he hasn't
done it as much as Dak, but maybe he can
with the with the personnel that he has in Minnesota.
So why let him go? And if you don't want
to let him go, why not pay him? I don't

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want to let you go, but I don't want to
pay you.

Speaker 9 (54:53):
But before, before this season, he was complete percentage of
fifty seven, sixty one, fifty nine, fifty eight, the eight
and sixty.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
I mean, you know, he did pretty good his last year.
What was that Denver? He was at? Where was he
at before?

Speaker 9 (55:06):
Again?

Speaker 2 (55:06):
The sand friend, he did something pretty well and he.

Speaker 9 (55:10):
Took forty six passes.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
How did he do? Yeah? Pretty good?

Speaker 9 (55:15):
Didn't he passes with two touchdownsand and one pick?

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (55:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
It's not a large sample size.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
We appreciate it, we are up against it. Get him
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Pete Happy all days man.

Speaker 9 (55:32):
Merry Christmas argue with I'm gonna go argue with one
if he could be before one.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Hey, Merry Christmas, Pete, Mary Christmas ladder Man.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
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