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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the best of two pros and a couple. Joe
with Lamar airings and rating Win and Jonas Knox on.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Radio Mallard, God bless your ears, sir. Why God bless
your ears? Holy moldly, what happened? Hut? Put my airphones
up my head, set my cans on with his uh
volume setting. Yeah, it's beyond loud. That's ah, God bless
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your ears, sir. Well.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
One group of people who are going to be loud
is the Ohio State Buckeyes.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
They want to be loud, Yes they will, but for
how long? How long before they want to fire day again?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
It's good enough, they'll be They'll be loud until they
run into a Michigan fan. A Michigan fan will remind
them that they beat him this past season.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I beat I'll give Notre Dame credit.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
They made it somewhat competitive towards the end, and the
first drive started getting good vibes, and then afterwards too
much talent.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Man, I don't even know if it was too much talent.
I think Look, Notre Name's banged up, you know, it's
been part of the storyline that they've faced a bunch
of injuries different levels and I said this last week.
I think when we were talking before you know, we
had a new addition in our lives. But I was
talk about the linebacker play and I thought this game
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would be one where that would be the position group
that stood out. And I thought of of all the
groups that as far as like needed to have a
big game that probably didn't was Notre name linebackers. Like
I'm thinking that that's I want to you know, in
the back of my mind right now, I think of like,
what play, what moment they've really had that was a
big play, maybe the fumble recovery that kind of helped
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them get back into the game when I think it
was what it was a mecha Abuka who had the long,
long reception and they had a fumber recovery. But there
weren't many plays where Notre Dame's linebackers impacted the game
like they have throughout the course of the season. That
was that was one thing that I kind of thought
of and like stood out. But I mean, look, I
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thought that game started about as perfect as it could
have for Notre Dame, and obviously Ohio State was going
to respond after that first drive, but it was just
the inability to I think, get off the field, get
a stop. I mean, Ohio State did what you know,
Penn State and Georgia probably should have tried to do
more of. And that was lean on that defensive front
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that was banged up for Notre Dame. But they were
able to do it and they kind of controlled the
game after that second quarter from.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
There on out. Yeah, I mean my sentiments, and it's
crazy because Penn State and Georgia did it at times,
they just didn't stay with it. And for what it's worth,
I mean, the quarterback play was at a higher level,
at a higher level than Georgia and Penn State. The
receiver level was at a higher level. I won't say
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running backs, but but those two elements seemed to be
which I think. I think there's some accuracy to what
you're saying. In terms of the linebackers, there just wasn't
a lot of pressure. It just seemed like maybe they
were sitting back and trying to keep them in front
of them, almost like they were in that Tampa two
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type of set scenario where it was like if as
long as we keep Ohio State in front of us,
will be okay. Because it didn't seem as though they
were as active as they had been in games prior
to this one. So I mean they started revving it
up a little bit, and they started like running a
couple different type of stunts or different type of approaches
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to get into the backfield. But I don't know, I
thought that their game plan. I thought that their game
plan was just a little bit different than what it
had been. And I don't know if it's because I
was of you know, game playing from Ohio State and
the way they forced you know, Notre Dame to align
and and to play and who was going to be
in there, or I know they played the nickelback with
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Ryan Clark's son pretty much the whole game.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
You know, that's what they do, right, That's what they do.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Anyway, right, So it just I don't it just seemed
like it was a different approach, you know, than what
it had been in games prior to Well.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I won't, we won't. We want need to get an
argument about it. It was it was. It was the defense
they ran. They talked about it going into it. They
can't make a wholesale change. The lack of pressure largely
kind of came from Look, I have stated a good
job protecting Will Howard, and I thought, you know, look
the injuries to the defensive front, Rodley Mills, who leads
the team in sacks, or you know, you know, a
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couple of the other players up front, you know, guys
who were more impactful off the edge. They it just
they weren't there and it kind of showed up, you know.
And that's that's the reality of what happens when you've
got injuries and you've got guys who you know aren't
aren't there out there that are your your game breakers.
But again, look credit to Ohio State. That team, when
they play to their potential, was the best team in
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the country. You know at times. You saw that this
year and I thought, you know, one of the things
that Ryan Day needs more, you know, deserves more credit for,
is they could have gone in the tank. They could
have been licking their wounds. They could have not responded
after losing to Michigan for four straight years. But Ryan
Day got that team motivated and got them to be
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able to play their best football at the start of
the playoffs and after that Bud Kinggney versus Tennessee absolutely
the first half of wiping out Oregon altogether. I mean,
you go through the list of teams they went through
to get there, Texas then Notre Dame. I don't know
that there's been a national champion that's had a harder path. Now, granted,
the expanded playoff as part of that, but like the
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LSU team that won it with Burrow comes to mind,
they played a really really hard schedule that season and
obviously went through the fourteen playoff. That one comes to
mind too, because the SEC championship game obviously the college
football playoff. But outside of that, man, like, I can't
think as many teams that played the gauntlet that some
of these teams played this season. So credits to Ryan
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Day and I wonder a little bit like how much
the whole flag planning thing kind of little fire on
this team and kind of it sounds stupid to mention,
but when you really think about it, like this is
a team that didn't lay down, like they were still
ready to fight, They still had games left to play
and fight for, and there's you could see elements of that.
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I mean, I again, I was at that Ohio State
Tennessee game and they were able to wipe away a
loss to their biggest rival and their biggest rivalry in
sports in my opinion, and still be able to respond. So,
you know, credit to that team, credits to Ryan Day.
You got to take your hat off and give them
credit where credits due.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Here was Blackbeard himself.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Ryan Day speculations whether or that was Beijing or whether
it was just for men Clara wax will shoe polish,
but here he was postgame.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
These guys could, you know, learn a bunch of life lessons.
But they're going to go down in Ohio State history
as some of you know, one of the greatest teams
to ever play at Ohio State. After all the things
that have been said throughout the year, these guys are
going to be cemented as one of the best stories
in Ohio State history and one of the best football
teams ever. Only nine teams have ever done it, and
three in the over fifty years. These guys right here,
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And there was a point where not a lot of
people had that vision, but these guys did and they
saw it through. And Ohio State may not be for everybody,
but it's for these guys and I'm really proud of them.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
And the best part about it doesn't matter because you
run into a Michigan fan and they've owned for four years. Yeah,
but but Ohio State fans have been saying this for
a long time. Well, the one that matters most is
beating Michigan.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Okay, all right, so y cautiously be clear, if they
had lost that game last night, the conversations would be
drastically different today. Like we can say, hypothetically or maybe
even realistically and factually, Michigan fans will do that you
didn't even make the playoffs, Michigan, Like, good for you.
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You won the game, you'll get your gold pants or
whatever it is, y'all get good for y'all, But you
weren't even in the playoff. They were good enough to
make it in the playoff, and they redeemed their loss
to Oregon in an emphatic fashion. In fact, every single
game they've played in in the playoff game as it
was detailed back Q, has been an emphatic fashion. So
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that's cool if you're a Michigan fan and that's what
you had to lean on. But let's be clear that
there's levels to this. There's levels that them boys just
won the national title, like props do. They won a
national title, So you can, okay, we're Michigan. Yeah, you
didn't even make it. I mean, you didn't even make it.
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You didn't even make it to the playoffs this year.
My guys, sorry, oh sorry, I mean, just keep it
in a proper trust me. I know exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I'm just telling you right now because that's a petty
rivalry and there's a lot of pettyness.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
And I was in Atlanta, you know, I was in Atlanta.
There's there's Michigan fans. I was like, what are you
doing here? They're like, oh, we just wanted to come
around and make sure to remind a how state they
lost to us this year. I'm like, all right, Like
Michigan fans went to Atlanta just to remind Ohio State
fans about the game earlier this season. It's bizarre, but
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that rivalry is as petty and as crazy as it gets.
So I understand what you're saying, man, Like Ohio State
won it, they got the national championship. You know, cooon
is to Ryan Day too, because that was part of
the conversation after the loss of Michigan is like, well,
you know, who are they gonna find, Like, he's not
a good coach. He's like, no, he is a really
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good coach. He's he's gonna eventually win a national championship.
It happened to be this year, and he'll eventually figure
out how to beat Michigan. Like they'll change that that
run that's happened right now for for the Wolverines. But
trust me, there's there's still gonna be a lot of
Michigan fans to hold on to that for this past season.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I Like I said, rivalries, they matter, good for them,
but I mean, they're the national champs. So sorry, Like,
nobody's going to take anything away from which y'all beat
Ohio State, but nobody's going to take anything away from
your national championship last year, which, by the way, it
is two years straight that it has been a Big
Ten representative when win the championship.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
It is it is interesting now that nil is legalized.
You know, you kind of looked the past couple of
years and it's and and really even look at like
the schools that were in you had Michigan versus Washington
last year, you have a high state unit name this year,
I mean last year is a complete Big Ten. This
year it's one team, but another team that's kind of
in that region. Like you look at the impact that
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nil has had on all these other teams now able
to construct the roster, and therein lies kind of your
solution maybe to what was always missing in the past.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Any issue with Marcus Freeman electing to kick a field
goal down sixteen at that point.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Do we have this sound?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Because I do think you got to play his response
because it you know, I'll just say this. I mean,
he's got a guy who is very sharp. It was
constantly usually with them on the sideline, sometimes in the booth.
That's giving him those stats. And I imagine what the
conversation was. But do we have the sound?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
First? Yeah, I just it's awesome.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
You know, instead of being down sixteen, let's try to
go down thirteen. And I know it's still a two
score game, but you have better probability of getting fourteen points,
and you do sixteen points. And so if it was
a shorter fourth and situation, I probably would have gone
for it. But I just felt fourth and nine was
not a great chance for us to make that, and
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you know, and decided to kick it and we didn't
make it.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, Look, I mean, if it make the kick. I
don't know that anyone's second guessing decision. Maybe still a
little bit because you're looking at the numbers. But again,
he's got a guy who's telling him the probably.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Four minutes left. It was, Yeah, I think it was
a little more than that was like six no, half, No,
I don't think it was that much. I think it
was like like four and a half minutes. I want
to say it was like four. I'm I'm pretty certain
I saw like four minutes because I was thinking to myself,
how many I think they had? What they they had
all their timeouts right at that time, or maybe one
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their timeouts, and they had the two minutes and had
the two minutes. I thought it was not I didn't
think that there was enough time. I thought it was
a in a way, I thought it was a gutsy
good decision rather than a gutsy bad decision, or however
you want to call it. I thought it made sense
to get it the third team because it was going
to be you. You have to be perfect in order
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to be able to score two more times. It was
it was the other the other touchdown. That's then it
makes it even more, That makes it even more. That's
a good decision. That's if you get the three points,
you have nine minutes left, you have all your timeouts.
The defense was was doing pretty they were doing pretty
good against Yeah, they were doing pretty good.
Speaker 7 (13:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
The penalty take place after with the hit on the quarterback.
Was that after they missed the field gold or was
it before It might have been before.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Before the after the time out the TV timeout, Marcus
Freeman was talking and said, yeah, you know the penalty.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
We need it.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
We need a turnover if we can get it, and
Chris fo then they get a turnover.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Chris Fowler made the point of the broadcast. He's like, well,
you know the thing about Ohio State is they don't
fumble the ball. Then they fumbled that play. They fumbled
the ball and No Dame recovered it. So it opened
the door. I mean I could have you know, would
have helped if maybe Notre Dame would have kept the
score within fourteen and a half.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Close close, Well, I mean they over didn't hit it,
you know in that case, right, it did for your
six point teacher. You just go ahead and tell everyone
you lost.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
On both ends of listen tease you know me. Yeah,
and I tried and you tried and it did not
not Yeah damn, it didn't work well.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Well, they kept it within that number.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
One on that side of it, you lost the Yeah,
the over, yeah I need And I felt good about
the under, especially after the first quarter because it was
two long drives.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Nobody could seemingly get anybody off the field, and I
was like, okay, lot. Ohio State was in trouble, man,
the way they moved that ball in that first yeah,
first series, I was like, oh, these boys in trouble.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
It felt like Ohio State though, And this just something
that they don't get enough credit for is their adjustments.
Notre Dame's done a good job of that too throughout
the playoffs, but Ohio State, you know, Jim Knowles, their
defensive coordinator, and even Ryan Dane chip Kelly like they
made his adjustments as well as anyone in second halfs
of games this year. If we actually go back through
the regular season too, so kind of knew that may
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be coming. But just going back to the decision again,
he's got a guy who's giving him those probabilities. I
imagine that he said to him like, hey, here's your
win probability. With nine and a half minutes left, all
your timeouts, and you know where we're at, like your
ability to and especially this team this year, like you
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know we're gonna have to throw the football. You know,
that hasn't been the strength. Even though Riley Leonard I thought,
played as good of a game as he could have.
You know, that was about as good as he could
have last night. The kid's tough, he's gritty, he's a leader,
he's all those things, but he's just not going to
be able to dice you up and you know, through
the air and make some of those plays like he
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made some good throws last night. He has the season,
but it's just that's not his strength. And I thought
in that moment it wasn't the worst decision. It backfires
when you miss because now it looks like, okay, this
is insurmountable. Now, like we lost all momentum we had
getting down here, but people could second guess it. You know,
I know a lot of purists are like, what are
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you doing at this point in the game, and why
not at least I try to go for it because
the counter to all that's like, well, if the probability
of getting sixteen points isn't as good as getting you know, fourteen.
The reality is you're down to a point where you're like,
you're not really taking into account probabilities because you got
nine and a half minutes left to win the game.
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So you got to do something and you're gonna have
to get desperate. You have to work against the odds
at some point. So that's kind of the counter that conversation.
But again, in the end, you're going to be at
that feel gold in the end.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
If you're a football pureist and you understand how probabilities work,
chances are you're going to need that field goal at
the end of the game versus at that point where
you kicked it well, So it just it just kind
of it works out that way because it's the problem
ability of you getting two touchdowns and two point conversions.
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It's not highly likely. It's not going to be highly likely.
So you're going to be down by that field gold anyway,
if you were to score the two you know, the
two touchdowns, you're gonna if you miss one of those
those two points, you're going to have to end up
kicking the field goal, whether it's one minute left, you know,
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fifty seconds left, and you have the ball back and
you got to try to get down there to kick
a field gold whatever it is. Chances are you were
going to end up having the kick a field goal
to win the game. So I didn't have a problem
for me. I didn't have a problem with with the logic.
I thought it was less time. There was even more
time than what I was thinking. So it's kind of
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like you had your timeouts, you had nine minutes turn
it into a thirteen point game. Your defense is playing
pretty decent right now, take a chance, take a chance
like it's a momentum swing, and you didn't take You know,
you didn't take the momentum away by missing all fourth down.
It was fourth and long, So at that point in
the game, you're playing decent defense. I thought it was
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a good decision.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
If you ask God, I wonder how obnoxious Breer is
going to be, God all that Breer is going to be.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Here's the thing is, Breer did he even go to
the game. That might have been why they won that
he wasn't a part of the game.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
I thought he sent a tweet out, He's sent something.
Yet it was like like when like when the whole
e fing thing or something like that, Like he actually
cursed in his tweet, which means he's probably been licking
the letter a little lit pre game, and then you know,
got a little froggy and decided to jump on social
media and start, you know, cursing it up the storm with.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Friends with a lot of Ohio State players. But I
don't like Ohio State. I think Ohio State and Michigan
people are snobs. I think they're like arrogant snobs. Yeah,
but where do they fall?
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Like if you had to go like snob rankings, who's
one and who's too?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Honestly, I would have thought a while back, I would
have thought Michigan was one to to how States two?
But I don't know, man, I don't know. I think
they're one in one A. To be honest, in terms
of football schnobs, it's it's pretty they're pretty high. They're
both pretty high up there. Hey, speaking of licking the lid,
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how's Lee doing that this morning? But yesterday was a
rough one for him? Yeah, you know, hey Lee, Hey guys, yeah, bro, yesterday,
how are we doing? Buddy? I'm doing pretty good? And
we heard there was a reblocking that took place as well, too,
So yeah, you know, reblocking yeah, you missed a lot yesterday.
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Many tell them.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yeah, Mike Shanahan would be proud of the blocking scheme
by Lee's girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Oh yeah, oh wow, that way, we're still doing that. Huh.
Well you saw you saw what I said walked out
of my own phone nowadays. Yeah, you saw what I
sent you yesterday to the Dynamic Duo. Right yeah, all right,
So that that was a whole like three segments of
the show yesterday, and and it was pretty entertaining, is
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what I'll say. Super entertaining. But we found out that well, uh,
Lorena and Lee being workout buddies partners just wasn't you know,
that wasn't part of what the discuss plan was. And
that became common not preapproved. There we go.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
It was not your your life decisions after you be
preapproved by someone else.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yeah, and then and then and then checked on at
the gym. Oh no, oh yeah, who know? Oh yeah,
and then action taken you know, upon leaving no no hugs,
so you had to get the side hug no following
on social media. Uh, do not break the five inch rule,
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you know, the Well, I shouldn't go into too many
details on this, but I.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Was gonna say, you know that the thing with the
side hug is, you know you kind of like a
lot of women feel like it's a less intimate hug. Yet,
if we're being real, you know, when a guy gives
like the side hug, there's there's portions of his body
that may hit against.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
The woman's body just because you.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Because because of the angle angles, like if you do
a front two hand like normal hug and embrace, there's
the hips back that where you don't really feel as
much in the lower.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Half of the man. She was worried about my hips.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Also side your hips. I think she was Lee's hips
against your side of your you.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Know, also side hug better view from what I've been told.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yeah, you've been told that. Yeah, yeah, I don't I
don't even know what that means. I apologize yesterday. You know,
we've got a new born, little baby boy, born last Thursday.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
So congratulate littlecade.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Quinn takes some I had to take some time off
to be with him, be with the wife, all that
good stuff. Everyone's happy, healthy, eating a lot, pooping a lot, nice,
sleeping off and on.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
So we're going through all that. Yeah, he's alloted over. Yeah,
all right, Wow, No, they're good. Now I'll be a
granddad next time I'm doing this, I'll be a granddad. Yeah,
I can starting over, Yeah, because I just want to
be able to hold the baby, and when the baby
does any of those things that you just mentioned, I
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just want to hand off. There you go. It's all
yours back to you, and now back to you.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
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Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, messed up?
Speaker 4 (22:57):
How about the back channeling by Brady Quinn changing his
intro song without letting anybody know, and then then.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Still cut up on what you said? Uh like what
a lead had told all his self. Messed up?
Speaker 8 (23:13):
Man?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
He told on himself.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yes, yes, I'll tell you later. It's that one thing.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
One thing, man, Oh right near the beach? Are we changing?
Are we changing songs and opens here on the show?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Is that getting done?
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Ley? It is?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
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want it. Whoa right, do you really want to wake
up in the morning or do you really.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
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way too provocative for this this time. Well, I do
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There was a tweet that was sent out by Ian
(24:18):
Rappaport of the NFL Network earlier who said Aaron Glenn
is expected to meet with the Jets later on today.
The hope is that they're able to get a deal done.
He's a former Jet. It would seem like it would
make some sense. But you know, he could be the
head coach of the Jets by the end of today,
if not the Saints or another team that are considering
Aaron Glenn if he decides to pass on whatever the
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New York Jets are offering, Which is interesting because the
other coordinator for the Detroit Lions, the offensive coordinator Ben Johnson,
reportedly finalizing a deal to.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Become the new head coach of the Chicago Bears. Wow,
which which would mean that Vegas once again doesn't get
their man right.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
But like, why was that ever? Like that and you
talk to enough peoples like, oh, that's gonna happen. It's
a foregone conclusion. Tom Brady can't, you know, talk in
certain ways about Ben Johnson because if he hires him afterwards,
it's see, they've already talked and there's a massive deal
out there, and then a day, a couple of days
after they get eliminated, he agrees to a deal with
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the Bears.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Like what happened?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
This is where I can't stand some of the narratives
that the internet and social media create. You have people
who have no clue what they're talking about. And it's
even some people who have websites, I mean Pro football
talk talked about the conflict of interest with Tom Brady announced,
he's announced a game, he's talked about these coordinators, but
it's like it's a conflict of interest because he's a
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limited partner of a team. Like can we just get
this out so people understand. Yes, he's Tom Brady, and
I'm sure Mark Davis takes into account his opinion and
he might even be a part of the interview process.
He doesn't have the final say. He's he does not
the majority owner, like until he's that ultimately, whatever he
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says it matters to a degree, and then it doesn't.
Because Mark Davis owns the team, he has to make
that decision with whoever else he's maybe anointed, and maybe
Tom's one of those people. But at the end of
the day, it's still Mark Davis's team. Who he wants
to hires, who he hires. That's how this all works.
So there's no conflict of interest with him calling a
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game just because he talks to these guys in an interview. Like,
what's the conflict? I mean, it does tom Brady giving
out the Detroit Lions secrets to the Washington Commandos before
the playoff game? Like I don't really understand, Like what
the big conflict is that Mike Florio or anyone else
has an issue with. It's it's the stupidest discussion we've
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had for the entirety of the season.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So can we just move on?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
And by the way, Ben Johnson nor Aaron Glenn are
gonna be the next head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders.
So that's one inside of this conversation. The other is
what is the city?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
You guys?
Speaker 3 (27:04):
The Ben Johnson of all the jobs that are available,
is picking a team that's in the division, which he's
he's in right now, or at least until it's official.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I guess it's official. But he's leaving Detroit Lions as
the outfitse coordinator to stay in the division and go
to the Bears. What do you think that says about
what he thinks about the rest of the Nbacy North, That.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
There's that window in Detroit that's closing, and he sees
that as as an opportunity and based on what we
saw from that division in the playoffs this year.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I'm gonna take my chances right where we at. Yeah,
I know, I'm familiar with my familiar confines and and
they don't lock their doors. Yeah. I mean, I was
with AP the other day and I just still couldn't
understand outside of it being for Ben Johnson, Like I
get clearing it out. You know, one year the guy
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doesn't have pretty much anything that he needs personnel wise
outside of a defensive end and a rookie, a rookie
sensation tight end, and you let him go after a year. Okay,
you're doing it because of all of the things we're
hearing about Ben Johnson. But now, if Ben Johnson isn't
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going to Las Vegas, then who is your coaching candidate
and why is that justified? How do you justify this
firing now is what I would be curious to understand,
because again, you want to go away from a defensive
minded guy. Okay, makes sense. All the name that just
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kept surfacing and resurfacing and being connected to Tom Brady's,
you know, being enamored by him and all this other
stuff and aggressively wanting him has been Ben Johnson. So
how does that work? How do you now justify that decision?
And have we heard a name emerge at as who
is the front runner to be the head coach of
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the Las Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
The only name I saw was Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
That's all I heard. So saying, if you're legitimizing the
firing of Antonio Pearce after one year with total negligence
in being able to give him a team that would
be able to have success in that particular part of
the NFL. How do you justify the firing now that
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you're not getting Ben Johnson? I think most people would
say they would be okay, like I didn't. Maybe I
didn't like him, Maybe he didn't get a fair shake.
Who cares. You're bringing in a guy that you believe
is going to be someone who offensively can get this
team going, but that's not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
So where you go from here, it might be a
different offensive mind. If they do do it, I would
assume so. But I want to get back to the
decision by Ben Johnson though selecting this team, because the
one thing, as you talked about Antonio Pierce, that they
didn't have in Las Vegas is a quarterback. And that's
one of the evaluations that I think if you're Ben
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Johnson and you're looking at the Chicago Bears ownership, which
has been criticized heavily in many ways, how they've led
this search has been criticized heavily. But the one thing
I think you could say they have is they have
a quarterback. I think Caleb Williams has displayed that this season.
His ability to be able to make plays and show
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enough potential where Ben Johnson says, yeah, I can work
with that, like I can work with a lot of
the pieces that they have around him too. Are we
anywhere close to where the Lions are? No, Because if
you look at that roster, one of the strengths of
that offense is their offensive line. They built that thing
from the inside out, and clearly the Bears still need
to do that, but they have some other pieces around
the quarterback position too. So you know, Ben Johnson knows
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that division better than any other, and he saw value.
He saw, you know, may as he's looking at his
own team saying, well, they're gonna lose Aaron, They're gonna
lose me. You have a window that's closing on a
roster that's hard to keep all these guys together. And
maybe we've hit the ceiling with Jared Goff. So if
I'm gonna take an opportunity where I have to face
this team twice here, like, I'm okay with that because
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I've got this quarterback, I've got these other pieces, you know,
these defensive pieces. I feel like I could turn this
thing around and win some football games at a place
that hasn't experienced that, and I think he probably looks
at Minnesota and says, well, they've got to make a decision.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Is Darnall coming back?
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Is he not?
Speaker 3 (31:33):
If he's not, it's Jaje McCarthy who's essentially playing his
rookie year since he missed this year with injury. So
as good as Justin Jefferson is and Kevin O'Connell is,
there could be those growing pains. And by the way,
they might lose their defensive corner Aeron Brian floores if
he gets a head coaching job, and then you you know,
you kind of look at Green Band and say, well,
green Bay, they can build on the roster they had,
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you know, a good season two. But he made this
decision looking at this division that he knows so well
and even his own team and saying, yeah, I could
beat these guys. Otherwise you don't take that job. And
I think he thinks he can beat them with Caleb
Boyas and some of the pieces they already have.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Yeah, it's and I think it says a lot about
what he feels about those teams in the division, what
he felt about the Raiders. I can't wait to hear
what Pete Prisco says about, you know, the Jaguars and
where that lines up, because look like the Trent Balky
stuff that we've talked about, like that could be pushing
and steering a lot of people away from the organization.
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But there was a lot of people that thought, man,
if you're the Bears, like, nobody's gonna want to take
over a team that's got Kevin Warren who's all over
the place, who's got Ryan Poles who's already there, Like
they're gonna want to be able to pick and choose
who they're working with when it comes to the front office.
And so he just looked at it and said, I'll
take my chances with the quarterback, with what they got
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on offense, and just hope that the O line gets better.
Like that would feel like would be the most sensible,
which is why some of the other ones out there,
out side of Jacksonville, who's got a quarterback and and
some pieces there, just didn't make a whole lot of
sense to me. So Dallas never never, I don't even
I don't think Dallas got an interview because they waited
so long. So Dallas, they just you know, Mike McCarthy,
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I mean, Mike McCarthy in Vegas is that I don't
even know if he's interviewed. I don't even think they've
they've talked to him, but Mike McCarthy's out there.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
It feels like some teams are better than others announcing
who they've interviewed. Like the Bears interviewed everyone, and they
were also very public about that, whereas other teams they'll,
you know, someone will send out a report or maybe
there's an insider who lets it be known. But the Bears, man,
they were, they were They interviewed pretty much everyone on
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the face of the planet besides.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Lee Well and got the best one out there. So yeah,
maybe there's a method to it. So now they get
to say, hey, we've we've seen it all, we've seen
the world. We get to brag about what we want.
Bet I seen the most coveted, prestigious job out there.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
I still think Brable was the best one, but you
know this is second best. I mean, Jonas, how are
you feeling about this? This is your you know, this
is your big job.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
By the way, the staff is like already coming together, right,
Like Dennis Allen will be defensive coordinator. It looks like
Darren Rizzy. Yeah, I mean it's a hell of a staff.
I will say that's a hell of a staff.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
So and Dennis Allen has always been They've given him
credit as one of the better defensive coordinators in the league.
It's just as a head coach, like he struggled with
the Raiders, struggle with the Saints and it just never
panned out. But you know, the fact that he's gonna
get gobbled up this quick, I think, I think says
a lot about him, Darren Rizzy, Like, I can't wait
to see some of the interactions he has with Tory Taylor.
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If that's the case, that's gonna be a lot of
fun Taylor Toy Tory Oh oh oh, I'm sorry now
the other one too soon? The other Yeah, yeah, that
could be.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Way.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Antonio Brown won't let it go. You will not let
it go, you know, or whoever's run his account. So yeah,
that's uh. I'm cautiously optimistic.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I just the O line is a real problem.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
And unless they get that fixed, I just don't know
what's going to look different this year as opposed to
last year.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
I mean, maybe they won't lose those games they should
have won.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Uh, you know, a couple of those being divisional games
that were just late game collapses.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
But yeah, cautiously optimistic. And everybody says.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
They've got a ton of cap space. Yeah, fourth most
in the league.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Now, as far as and you talk to these you know,
people in and around the league, as far as play
callers go, where does he stack up ben Jonson Brady
as far as he went.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Up there at the top? I mean, did you not
not to go back to the previous game since we're
going on Tuesday? Did you see the little quick pitch
that turned into a shovel pass? Yeah, And I mean
you just don't see other teams doing that.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
It's awesome.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
It's ridiculously creative. It was perfectly designed because the way
it impacts and it really dissects the defense almost cuts
it in half with the way they blocked and the
way the defense reacts. So it's stuff like that that
that's the creativity you're looking for. I mean, you can
apply it to any other industry you want. Like people
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are always looking for that person who's the innovator. They're creative,
they're they're like able to take their business and do
things that like they can't foresee or they can't fathom.
That's what Ben Johnson's been as a play caller. Now,
whether or not he can execute those things and get
that Bears team to get it done, that's another story.
But that, to me at least is I think the
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hope for a lot of Bears fans is you're a
team that is best known for the eighty five Bears
for defense. I think that's fair to say that, and
Walter Payton like those two things. Maybe you'd say, Jim McMahon,
you might have throw some other players in there, But
by and large, I think the Chicago Bears are viewed
as like, the greatest team we had was a defensive team,
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and this is an era now of offensive football, and
I think it's gonna be fun for Bears fans to
see all the different things that he can dial up.
I mean, hell, they've watched it when they get to
play the Detroit Lions two times a year, so it'll
it's gonna be fun to see what he's able to
do with Keiler Williams because he's got a ton of ability, right,
Like he couldn't do as much with Goff because of
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his lack of mobility. Caleb Williams can do a bunch
of stuff.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
So that's what could be really fun with this offense.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
I wanted to ask you ays this because I've been
curious about it. When people talk about offensive versus defensive
minded head coaches, did you guys notice a difference as
a team in either the approach or the vibe depending
on whether the coach came from the offensive side or
defensive side of the ball. Was there any difference that
you noticed as players with the different side of the
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ball that came from.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, just like if you like, hey, we're our head
coach is.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
An offensive minded head coach, Like, was there a different vibe,
a different approach to games as opposed to, Hey, our
head coach is a defensive minded head coach?
Speaker 2 (38:21):
As players?
Speaker 3 (38:22):
I mean, I feel like I could speak on this,
but I always felt like the defensive coaches that I had,
it was very like these three things.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
This was you know, like it was very.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
I don't know how to describe as saying, like not regimented,
but it felt like at times, I mean, there's it
all depends on the personality. There there's one that like
that I that you know I had or was a
part of that kind of just more talked to the team,
but then really felt like it was that there's a
defensive led team and he wasn't wrong, but you know,
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that was his strength, that's what he knew. That's what
he kind of spoke to. There's others that when they
speak it's almost like how they would coach the defense. Hey,
we got to stop these you know, these two or
three things. This is what you have to do in
order to win. And then you've get you get other
coaches who I think that come from the offensive side
that kind of speak more generally. Maybe there's a pep
talk to something a little more you know, creative about
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It's just it's it's just different, Like I think it's
just different perspectives on how they see the game and
then how they reflect that and teach a team. But
that's how I would describe it is typically the offensive.
You know, guys are coming up with different schemes and
players and different stuff, like there's only so many ways
you're gonna play man, there's only so many ways you're
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gonna play different types of zone, and so it tends
to be kind of more in this like box of
of this is what we've got to do to win.
You know, this is these these two or three things
you take away. We're doing this, doing that, Okay, boom,
go out and do it, go out to execute. I
don't know that's my impression at least. I mean, I
think there's a little bit more to it than that.
But I mean I would ultimately say.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
I looked at the person and I never really took
the time to think about, Okay, this is a defensive coach.
Like we had Marty Settenheimer. He's a defensive guy, you know,
we had Steve Spurri, or he's an offensive guy. We
had Nord Turner, he's an offensive guy.
Speaker 7 (40:18):
You know.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I just you know, I don't know. I never really
looked at it from that perspective. So it's kind of
interesting to because.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
You hear it.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
It's always reported and it's always discussed like Okay, you're
choosing between an offensive minded guy versus a defensive minded guy.
But I guess recalling as a player, I never really
I just looked at it as the person.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Like Like the reason why I ask is because like
we're talking about how great Jaden Daniels is and they're
talking about, Hey, if you want to get the most
out of Kayleb Williams. You're gonna need to get an
offensive minded coach. Well, Dan Quinn's a defensive coach, but
he brought in a brilliant offensive mine in Kingsbury. So,
like I guess to the point point, it depends on
the type of control that that head coach wants. I
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would assume, and I guess that's where I was getting
to is you get to know the person. You get
to know if they're like more of a delegator or
if they're more of a micro manager.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
And if it's a defensive guy or even if it's
an offensive guy, depending on how micro they are, on
how they're running the team will dictate to me. I
would assume how heavy you are on one side to
the other. Like we were supposed to be a heavy,
offensive sided type of team when Steve Spurrier took over,
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and we were totally defensive driven, totally, you know, but
we had Marvin Lewis as as a defensive coordinator. How
would coach Spurry talk to y'all, Oh, hey, you know,
nobody's fault, nobody's fault. We're all pros here, all right, Hey,
get gets showered out, all right? We're going to meet
with me. Well i'll see us, see you guys on Monday,
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but again on Monday. But again, don't don't wear it
all weekend. You know, Hey, we're all pros. We're all pros. Uh,
it's all film.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
We got it on film.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
We'll see it, we'll watch it. Well, we got it,
you know, we're all we're all. So basically, what he
was telling you is, if you're here, it's because you're here.
If you get released, it's because we're all pros. You're
getting released. Like that's basically what he was telling cats.
Because we lose that game. We lose that game. He
was like, Oh, he ain't nobody's fault.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Was he the loosest head coach you've ever had?
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Oh, he's the best. He's like, I mean, you could
do whatever you want. I mean it was like this.
He trusted the players to govern the team. It's like,
you guys be pros. You guys be what you're going
to be to one another, and we're just gonna call
plays like we're going to practice the plays, we're gonna
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run the plays. This is our playbook. So on and
so forth, and and Marvin was a little different Marvin
was more structured, so we had our own little thing going.
But in terms of a total hole and being able
to like stay at home or relaxed with meetings and
stuff like that, Coach Spurrier was the best. I was like,
I used to tell them, dude, y'all immature mother efforts,
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y'all going to f this up for all of us.
You're gonna f it up for all of us because
y'all not professionals. And they did, and they blamed that
on Steve Spurrier. How many days when Steve Spurrier got
how many days a week you think he played golf?
I don't know, man, I just remember the one time
it was raining outside and we went out. I was like, man, look, look,
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coach Cole, that that rain washitney that we just got
started with doing, like you know, the little little jog through.
We hadn't even made it to stretches. He's like, it's sure,
it's code out here. Let's take it on that and
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wrap it up, like get lunch, get getting yeah, get
in the weight room, getting the weight room, get a
little film in hillo, it's cold, get a break.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
He was out.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
He was running towards the doors, and you know what,
we were sitting there. He was like, it's cold as
hell out here. Why are we out here?
Speaker 7 (44:18):
Like?
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Why are we out here practicing? And he was like
he was doing what we was thinking, like, you don't
never have that happen with a coach. A coach does
what you're thinking, Like, dang, what would it be like
if coach just called the practice like, we don't really
need to be out here, it's a spring practice. It's
(44:38):
crappy out here. Why are we out here? Like we
could do a lift. Hey, it's cold as hell out here. Hey, everybody,
bring it on up. We're gonna take it on there.
We're gonna get lunch, We're gonna get in the weight round.
Were you like fifteen minutes into practice?
Speaker 7 (44:53):
Broh?
Speaker 2 (44:54):
It wasn't long, It was not Did you laugh? Like
how do guys react to that?
Speaker 7 (44:58):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (44:58):
We was pumped up, dudes was pumped up. But see
the problem was is you had vets that were pumped up,
and it's like get in here, get your food, digest
your food, get a good workout in and use the
time properly in the meeting room. And then you had
dudes like I'm gonna go get my food and I'm
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gonna speed through this workout and I'm out of here.
I get back to my video games like whatever, like
get back to my my you know, my dating life.
Whatever it was. It's like, dudes just weren't taking What
Steve was doing was allowing for us to be responsible
for one another, and dudes just wasn't. I guess the
biggest the biggest thing I have say for him is
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he needed to realize and notice that he didn't have
enough of he didn't have enough old head vets that
could could manage the locker room at that time. It
just wasn't the mix was we were too young. We
were too young. He had to tighten up. Like when
Marty had us, the old heads hated Marty. It was opposite.
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He treated us like the young dudes and had all
kinds of rules and was coaching like he's out there
telling He's out there telling Daryl Green, like how to
do his stance as a defensive back d Green in
like year twenty eight, He telling d Green how to
do his stance and then stuff like that in defense.
It was wild. Darl response. Oh, d Green would look
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at just look at him and be like like what,
you're really correct, Like you're correcting my stance. Like I'm
like he ain't look at him like I'm Daryl Green.
But what the what?
Speaker 5 (46:36):
What the what?
Speaker 2 (46:38):
That was when he made he made Bruce Smith dude,
He made Bruce Smith dude. Oklahoma drill. They did Oklahoma Girra.
Bruce's like, all right, I'm gonna do it. Bruce gets
up there, he throws the guy out of the way.
He hits the guy. Everybody's pumped up, like Bruce gets up.
Then he goes back now on one knee. We never
saw Bruce again for the recent traded cat In the
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same drill, a kid breaks his ankle.
Speaker 7 (47:04):
Shot.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Hoier goes, all right, everyone, let's take a knee and
let's pray. Right, everybody takes a knee, and you hear somebody,
you hear voice come out of nowhere. Pray, pray for what,
pray for some of his matt and is going on
around here. We's all turned the liquor with Bruce. Bruce
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Smith was not he was not happy. He legitimately injured.
Oh yeah, he said, there holding his shoulder. His shoulder
was on the ground. He had to pick his shoulder
up and hold his shoulder while we was praying for
the other dude that just broke his ankle. So yeah,
it was very interesting.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
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Speaker 4 (47:50):
We do turn it over to the man himself. He
is Pete Prisco. He's our smooth operator. Yeah, senior NFL
columnist for CBS Sports, CBS Sports h Q analysts. Get
him on X if you want that smoke at Prisco CBS. Pete,
good morning. How are we feeling?
Speaker 2 (48:07):
How you doing, Pete?
Speaker 7 (48:08):
I'm feeling great. I'm feeling great.
Speaker 8 (48:10):
I feel a lot better than Brady's probably feeling to.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Oh wow, wow, shots fired, Pete, shots fired? Wow?
Speaker 8 (48:17):
Okay, look I was I was rooting for Notre Dame.
And by the way, congratulations Brady on baby number eleven.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Happy life, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 7 (48:29):
That would be my man's a machine, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 3 (48:34):
Whoa whoa?
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Pete? Love?
Speaker 3 (48:39):
Actually, hold on? Could we do something and not talk
sports with Pete but instead trying to have Pete give
Lee life advice?
Speaker 2 (48:47):
Oh this would be interesting.
Speaker 8 (48:49):
That's like, no, please, please, what's the situation?
Speaker 2 (48:57):
Oh no, Lee, do you want to tell help Pepe?
I'm living fine. I'm a happy man. I don't know
what h I'm living fine. What do you want? What
should I learn from Pete today?
Speaker 7 (49:10):
You can learn a lot from me.
Speaker 8 (49:10):
But go ahead, Brady, there's obviously a situation.
Speaker 7 (49:13):
You want me to address, So tell me what I
mean I do.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
But now I feel like Lee's scared, which I gain.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Okay, so let's just take Lee's Let's let's take Lee's
name out of it and just say, like in generality,
some like just some random person and his name happened
to be Lee, right that that was pretty good and
and and you know what, and this this guy named
Lee actually ended up like wanting to work out, wanted
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to get back into shape, get back into the game,
you know, tighten up some of those trouble areas, and
and eat right, and you know, do less drinking, cut
your mullet off, all kinds of stuff like that, right,
change your appearance. You just want to look different. And
then you have a person that actually supports you and
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is like a cheer person to your team, because everybody
needs that hype person, and that hype person happens to
work in the same room as you during your job hours,
and you guys develop that kind of rapport and camaraderie
for one another, and well it's like, let's do it together.
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And then they're lifting and they're exercising, and they're doing
it together, Pete Prisco and everything is positive. But then
the girlfriend doesn't feel as though this makes sense or
it's right and kind of pops up and becomes the
third will to the positive train. There you go, what
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you might do.
Speaker 7 (50:45):
So wait, so there's three people in this equation.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yes, okay, so two of them are happy, two of them.
Two of them are somewhat happy.
Speaker 7 (50:57):
Two of them work together.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
One of them is doing their own thing, but is
in in the relationship by default.
Speaker 8 (51:06):
Yeah, I know that's I need more specific stuff to
really give the advice. But it sounds really messy.
Speaker 7 (51:13):
But well, that is.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
True, all right, hear Pete. That is true here, Pete.
Two people work together, they go to the gym together.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
One of them found out they were going to the
gym together and is not happy and showed up to
the gym and it was.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
It was a problem. So do you sound real serious,
and how you're introducing it now?
Speaker 7 (51:31):
Now?
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Now serious of nature?
Speaker 8 (51:35):
The two people going to the gym together and the
third whee'll find it out and showing up the third
wheel probably has a right to be angry.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
Oh wow, you know what though? But how angry is?
This is pretty standard. It's usually on the wrong side
of things.
Speaker 8 (51:52):
You hear, why you know you don't put yourself in
that position?
Speaker 2 (51:58):
But how but how but angry should the person third wheel?
Speaker 7 (52:04):
You don't give a damn about the third wheel?
Speaker 3 (52:08):
And and that's what if the third wheel is not
the third wheel but the main wheel. But in this scenario,
they're the third wheel?
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Are the third wheel? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (52:15):
Well then the main whee?
Speaker 8 (52:16):
Then the main wheel has every right to be angered.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
All right, Okay, a different perspective, so block, block the support.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
I don't think he has enough information on that. Okay,
give some more, give some more context. Let's just give
some more context. He's not happy. Some more context then,
all right.
Speaker 8 (52:36):
If you're going to the gym spending two three hours
or two hours or whatever hour.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
The third minutes, well but you drive there, you talk.
Speaker 8 (52:45):
There, you chat there, you hang out there, and the
significant other doesn't like it, and then that's understandable.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
So so the the workout partner, the chair team that
the hype up man has to go. They have to
be removed from the scenario. Or he does wow or
he does which one, whichever one represents that person.
Speaker 8 (53:07):
If you're that guy and you care about the other one,
then you remove yourself from it. If you don't really
care about the other one, then you keep going to
the workouts.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
And get rid of the other one and just working
out with the workout partner. Well, pete, uh, pete, So
let me ask.
Speaker 7 (53:30):
Put this way, somebody has to be fired.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Uh, that's what it appears. Uh, Pete loves the advice. Pete, Pete.
Speaker 4 (53:39):
Uh, let me ask you this though, Speaking of messy situations,
Ben Johnson, choosing Chicago for Jacksonville means means what about
your Jaguars.
Speaker 7 (53:50):
Well, they're not my jaguars A but b it means
of Jacksonville.
Speaker 8 (53:55):
Well, Ben Johnson didn't even interview face to face in
Jacksonville or Chicago. And from what I understand, Jacksonville wanted
them to come face to face interview before making any
kind of formal offer.
Speaker 7 (54:07):
To him and he and so yeah, I mean that
that's a bad situation.
Speaker 8 (54:13):
And look, he he made it known he didn't want
to deal with Trent Balk in the building.
Speaker 7 (54:19):
But the reality is, though Brady, if he had gone
through with the interview and they had wanted him, and.
Speaker 8 (54:25):
I had heard that was their target and seod Con
can pay whatever the hell he wants.
Speaker 7 (54:28):
To because he wanted richest owners in the league and
he was willing to do it, then he didn't.
Speaker 8 (54:32):
He kind of you know, screwed himself by not going
in there and listening to him instead taking the job
in Chicago, because he could have, from what I've been told,
if he wanted to go in there and say, look,
I want they.
Speaker 7 (54:45):
Were going to give the coach.
Speaker 8 (54:46):
Whoever the coach is is going to have the power now.
By the way, if he went in there and said
I want to be the I want to be the coach,
and I don't really want Trent Balky around.
Speaker 7 (54:52):
I want to you know, he can stay around, but
it's going to be a different position.
Speaker 8 (54:55):
I'm making all the decisions. I'm bringing my guy in
and they really wanted him, that would happened. And so
he didn't give himself that opportunity and I think he
and his agent kind of blew it from that standpoint.
Speaker 3 (55:06):
Yeah, I want to switch gears talk about Jane Daniels.
Is he having the greatest rookie season we've ever seen
for a quarterback in the NFL. You've covered it for
a long time.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (55:17):
To answer your question, yes, because you go back in
history and you look at some of the greatest season
I'm talking about post merger.
Speaker 7 (55:22):
Now, I'm not going back to his way back in
the day, but.
Speaker 8 (55:24):
Post merger you go back to fit some of the
greatest rookie seasons we've seen.
Speaker 7 (55:28):
You know, Ben.
Speaker 8 (55:29):
Roethlisberger had won, he was undefeated at one point. You know,
Russell Wilson was great as a rookie.
Speaker 7 (55:34):
Dan Marino was great as a.
Speaker 8 (55:36):
Rookie, but nothing like this. This, this is different. And
you know Andrew luck was really good as rookie, but
you know, nothing, nothing to this degree. So to answer
your question, Brady, I don't think there's any.
Speaker 7 (55:47):
Question about it. And what's amazing about him and I
thought so before the draft. You know how much I
felt about that kid. I love that kid.
Speaker 8 (55:55):
I just think that he makes it look so easy
and effortless. There's no he blits him that big deal.
You stand back and coverage, big deal. You know, you
pressure him, he gets out, He keeps his head up,
he runs, He can do so many different things. And
I think the way he does it with the easy
he does it with, I don't think there's anything that
really impacts him or bothers him. So to answer your question, absolutely,
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is the greatest rookie quarterback season.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
Wow, that's pretty interesting. Do you think they can win
this weekend and you think he makes it to the
super Bowl?
Speaker 7 (56:26):
Yes, they can win this weekend.
Speaker 8 (56:27):
Yes, they can win this weekend because look the way
he's playing right now.
Speaker 7 (56:31):
They can score it anybody.
Speaker 8 (56:32):
And I think Cliff Kingsbury's really got a good handle
on the offense for all the.
Speaker 7 (56:36):
Over the years he's taken a lot of criticism, but
this works.
Speaker 8 (56:39):
It works with the guy he has up there. He
has an advantage because that guy can move and he
can throw it, and he gets those matchups and those
one on ones, and he gets the you know, the
easy bubble screens for touchdowns.
Speaker 7 (56:50):
Yes, they can win. You know, I don't like the
fact that Cosby's.
Speaker 8 (56:53):
Heard it that right guard and you got Jalen Carter
in there, you know, reaking havoc.
Speaker 7 (56:58):
But absolutely they can win. Here's the other thing.
Speaker 8 (57:00):
How healthy is Jalen Hurts?
Speaker 7 (57:02):
And if Jalen Hurts can't pull it, and that's.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
A big part of their office, very pull it.
Speaker 7 (57:07):
Yeah, that changes the way they play.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Folded up pretty good in that game. So you're you're
absolutely right about that.
Speaker 7 (57:13):
I think Washington.
Speaker 8 (57:14):
I think Washington can win that game absolutely.
Speaker 4 (57:17):
Pete Prisco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Pete,
A lot of blame is being handed out when it
comes to who's responsible for the loss in Buffalo?
Speaker 2 (57:26):
Is it Lamar? Is it Mark Andrews? Was it you know,
not giving the ball to Derek Henry? And now where
do you sit on that?
Speaker 7 (57:33):
Well? I think not giving the ball to Derrick Henry
was a major mistake. He only had sixteen carries. I
would have ran it, ran it, ran.
Speaker 8 (57:39):
It some more, and you know, and when he didn't
run it, Lamar should have pulled it. I thought, you know,
Buffalo had a good plan. They attacked him, you know,
they went after him in the run game and they
you know, they attacked a run game. And I thought
they had a really good plan early in that game.
But you could see that coming as Henry. As Henry
got going, you know, all of a sudden, the boom,
there goes the touchdown at the start of the third
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quarter and they're right back in it, and then they
kind of got away from it again. So I think
the blame goes to not running Dereck Henry enough. You know,
the Mark Andrews fumble, that's happens, okay, stuff havas the touch,
the drop even if he catches it. People think that
that was going to win the game. Josh Allen still
had a minute what forty to go get points, so
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it wasn't like that was going.
Speaker 7 (58:21):
To win the game.
Speaker 8 (58:22):
It would have tied the game. So yeah, to answer
your question, I think not running Derek Henry enough is
to blame. Look, Lamar didn't play great, you know, the
second The first half was not good.
Speaker 7 (58:34):
The fumble, he.
Speaker 8 (58:35):
Tried to do too much, the interception, fad throw, and
then they scored. You know, everybody says, well he scored
in the second in the third quarter, Well, he didn't
do anything on that drive. He handed it off for
like seventy.
Speaker 7 (58:45):
Five yards of it.
Speaker 8 (58:46):
So the one drive he did have to go with
backup wide receivers. He went and got the touchdown, and
credit to him for doing that, But I think it's
the fact they got away from Dereck Henry.
Speaker 3 (58:58):
Pete. As we look into the Conference schampionship weekend, I mean,
who do you got? I mean, can we get your
predictions for who's gonna be playing off the super Bowl?
We know it's not gonna be Cincinnati, and we know
you've made the declaration that they're gonna win multiple super
Bowls with Joe Burrow. So maybe you'll pick Cincinnati at
some point the rest of your life for them to win.
But who do you got to go through Conference championship
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to the super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (59:20):
But by the way, I said one, they would win one,
so don't put multiple, and they still got time.
Speaker 3 (59:23):
To win that one. But again we don't need to
get sidetracked on this, but you do have to actually
pick Cincinnati to win the super Bowl in order for
like your proclamation to.
Speaker 2 (59:34):
Be worth anything.
Speaker 3 (59:35):
If you never picked them, then when you said that
on draft Day, you never really met it.
Speaker 8 (59:39):
Well, play some damn defense and I will pick them.
Their defense is terrible, I mean, nobody you know, Come on,
give me a break.
Speaker 7 (59:45):
I picked them because Joe Burrow.
Speaker 8 (59:46):
When I said that, I said, they win one for
Joe Burrow, and he's done everything in his.
Speaker 7 (59:49):
Power to win one.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
Yeah, yes, yeah, yes.
Speaker 7 (59:52):
So I'm picking Buffalo.
Speaker 8 (59:53):
I picked them before the season to go to the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (59:55):
I'm picking Buffalo.
Speaker 8 (59:57):
I think Josh Allen is on that mission.
Speaker 7 (59:59):
I think they're charge.
Speaker 8 (01:00:00):
I think they're physical too. That's the biggest difference in
this team. They're physical upfront on the offensive line. I
think they go in I know it's hard to beat
Michael Jordan at his place, but I think they go
in there and beat.
Speaker 7 (01:00:10):
Them this week. And I'm picking the upset and the
other one.
Speaker 8 (01:00:13):
I think you're going to see Washington go in there
and win that game. I think, like I said, Jayden
Daniels is special, and special sometimes rises to the to
the top in those big moments. And I think both
Josh Allen and Jade Daniel will find ways to get
their team to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (01:00:29):
So I'm picking the two dogs this week. I like
both of them.
Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Pete my last one just super quick. I know we're
up on it, but got to ask. Ben Johnson was
supposed to be the guy that took over in Vegas
doesn't take over in Vegas. What's like, what's our view,
our vantage point of Antonio Pierce losing his job under
the circumstances he lost his job for, and it not
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being the coach that was kind of put out there
in the media that was going to be delivered.
Speaker 7 (01:00:58):
Well, I got one quick thing for you. Are you
going to the game this week?
Speaker 8 (01:01:02):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
No, not as of not as of right now, I'm
gonna switch my back. I am not the mush.
Speaker 7 (01:01:14):
LeVar.
Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
I'm glad.
Speaker 7 (01:01:15):
I'm glad LeVar is back in the fold.
Speaker 8 (01:01:17):
I'm glad that I'm glad the Washington franchises back where
it was too, because that's a good thing for the league.
To answer your question. Look, they wanted Ben Johnson.
Speaker 7 (01:01:27):
They didn't get them.
Speaker 8 (01:01:27):
Now you look, you go find the next guy. Think
about last year this time, LaVar, who did Washington want?
They were on the plane to go get Ben Johnson,
That's who they wanted. They were going there. In process,
he relayed the message to them why they were on
the plane, and he.
Speaker 7 (01:01:43):
Didn't want the job. So now they end up with
Dan Quinn.
Speaker 8 (01:01:46):
And now now look and see how that's worked out.
So I think sometimes and it's the case with every
coaching search. Everybody wants this guy, that guy, that guy,
that guy. They're gonna be great. They're gonna be great,
and the reality is we have no earthly eye idea
how it's going to work out.
Speaker 7 (01:02:01):
So to answer your question, I think the Raiders can
still fix that thing.
Speaker 8 (01:02:05):
They can find the right coach. There's some talk they're
gonna go get Pete Carroll. That would be interesting because
you know, Pete Carroll still has the energy of a
fifty year old man, maybe even younger, and I still
think he's capable of, you know, doing a good job.
So we never know about these guys. The next great
one usually.
Speaker 7 (01:02:24):
Isn't the next great one in a lot of circumstances.
Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Pete Prisco always fun. Sam Ben Johnson is going to
sink as a coach.
Speaker 7 (01:02:32):
Damn.
Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Basically, that's not what I'm saying. That's what you said.
Those words came out of your mouth.
Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
I that that's what he said, and that wasn't smooth
at all operator my ass.
Speaker 8 (01:02:45):
We need a Fox Sports firing in there somehow somewhere,
or somebody's gonna get fired, you know what I mean.
The problems relationship needs to be fired.
Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Baby Pete. We appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
We'll do it again next week, all right, see you
guys there.
Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
He is a great Pete risk go just dolling out
an NFL conversation and relationships here on the show.