February 13, 2025 • 51 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Travis Kelce has a lot on his mind with his retirement decision. Joe Burrow wants the Bengals to be more aggressive with the salary cap. Plus, NFL Insider Albert Breer talks about the biggest headlines this offseason.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple. Joe
with Lamar Airings and rating Win and Jonas Knox on Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Lavore could have been in a rock band like that.
Hell yes, oh oh my bad. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I would love to go to a concert with Jonas
like this and watch from somewhere safe. I never want
to go to another concert again like this though, because
these aren't like small venues. A lot of times, right
people be having like you know, all kinds of rings
on their fingers and stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Like that and knocking each other out, and.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
It's way too much like they go with the whole costume.
Have you ever mah pitted?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yeah, slayer mosh pit? I did a fear factory mosh pit.
Did you get hit or did you do the hitting
I got? I got run over by a guy so
bad that that I and I was so pissed off
about it because I got completely clowned that I waited
until he came back around and totally cheap shot. Pretty
sure I separated my shoulder. This guy was so big,
(01:18):
like it not in the good type of big, like
he looked for you. He was Uh yeah, I learned
my lesson pretty quick. Yeah, it's not not a great idea.
But you ever mach pit.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Probably when I was young, maybe like in junior high
or something like that. But you know nothing nothing seriously ever,
you ever col tip dance? You ever col tip?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
You're a tip?
Speaker 6 (01:40):
No, although we talked a lot about it, but never
never Cali colt tip I have.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
That's a real thing.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Did they go down pretty easy? No, that's not true
at all. Now are we at least a sleep? So
when you start pushing they don't feel it.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
That's point, that's the point. You get them wide sleep.
So it's the ultimate cheap shot. It's ultimately but that
ain't it ain't the cheap shot.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
You think.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Cow tipping is more or less like working together to
finally get it over. It ain't like it ain't like
what you think it is not. It is not as
like funny and as like joked about glorious as people
think it is. It's it's really like a dirty job
and it's not worth doing.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
By the way, being a cow must suck your entire life.
Just eat some grapes like people are yanking on your nipples,
and then you eat grass. They blame you for the
ozone deteriorating couple of farts and they're like, oh, well,
it's because all the the fumes that come from them.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
And then by the.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
Way, if we're gonna blame cows, why we blame lee?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I want a cow to come in studio and yank
my nipples?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Whoa hey, man say?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Period is crazy? Man, A few guys man out of context?
You want a cow to come pull your nips?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
And then at the end of it all you just
get butchered and like there you're.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
If you're treat it well. You could tell if they
were treated well or not. Though about the taste of them,
you know, just saying that might have that might have
grossed out all the vegans out there that that are
awake right now listening to us. But I'm just saying,
if they're if they're taking care of you know, massage daily, yeah,
talk to you know, people are are paid to talk
(03:32):
to the cows, and you know, see how they're doing
that is what is right?
Speaker 7 (03:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Oh man.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Then there's like there's like different levels of it too,
Like they have like dot dash eight eight nine stuff
like that. It's crazy, Like how how how'd you exactly
label this?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
This piece of meat.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Meanwhile, LaVar and his buddy, you're tipping them over all
trying to catch a nap back in the day, and
I was a city dude.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I was a city dude.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I ended up dating somebody that lived in the country
for the rest of my high school time country girl.
She ain't act time country. She was from the country.
She was more street than me.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Uh, we used to see so many cows. And one
time it was like a I don't know, it's like
a teammate getaway type of deal. And we drove out there,
like it's like an hour outside of Pittsburgh, and yeah,
we saw him, and you know, we went after one
hurt stink got it though. Somebody stepped in some cow
(04:44):
dung on the like on the like, you don't you
don't take some of the small details of trying to
go through a like you know, a feel full of cows.
You know, you just think you're gonna go tip a
coal and then you're gonna laugh about it because you
were drinking and then you go get back in the
car and go it didn't happen like that. Yeah, you
can't hurt them, right, they say, they say, you heard
(05:05):
them if they fall over. But it's really just I
felt like when we did it, we didn't hurt them
or or her heard her, but it was the mooing,
Like it was the you know that that once you
once you tipped it. That was what made it work.
If I'm being totally honest, That's what made it worthwhile. Like,
(05:27):
that's what made it memorable. I'm sorry I was younger.
I mean, I was in high school. But that's what
made it. That's what made it worthwhile.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Like seeing the snap bubbles.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Bro, when you hear the noise that it makes when
it goes down like that, that mooing noise, Like, that's
the funniest that's in person.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I ain't gonna lie to you. It's the funniest that's
in person. Well, shout out to Peter. I hope you're
enjoying the first portion of the show. I was seventeen.
That's so dumb. What are y'all?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Don't know?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
What are you watching? Laredo? You were lore under the
bit right there.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I have not touched these TVs all night. Dude.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Look look look just like Loraina.
Speaker 8 (06:12):
You put that on there? Yes x X A great movie.
X one of three. First of three. I think that's me.
Oh goodness, oh god, that's good.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
It looked like Travis Kelsey with with LORRAINO. You know,
I can't really tell that that's uh, what's her name,
Taylor Swift or not? Yeah, but that definitely is Lorraine
trying to pull her way out from under.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
It's a great uh great seguey uh.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I mean that's more action right there than Travis Kelsey
got in that Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yeah, did you have any catches?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Like one?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Do you think you had one?
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Won?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
A lot of hustle little jump shot all right, a
lot of a lot of hustle plays, has pointed out
on social media.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I mean, it sucks that probably that's like maybe maybe
I don't know, four four plays that he probably did
like that during the game.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
Four for thirty nine for Kelsey, Oh four four cats.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's nice. It might have been as the second half, right,
if not all correct.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I mean if you think about it, you know what
I mean, Like people capture people's bad moments, but they
always said what they say, Q is if you put
it on film, it's on film. Like you put it
that's right there, Like if you put it on film,
it's on film.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
It's right there, dyeing the sky, don't lie.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Eyeing the sky, don't lie.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
So you got to make sure that you're always hustling,
or at least if you put it on film.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
It's on film. Film, Yeah, you can't. You can't deny it.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
You can't be like ah, well, Patrick Mahomes looked like
he was in dress, like he was gonna get his
head knock the hell off. They were gonna tear his
arms off, take his legs, hand him back to him,
send him over to the skyline. It's on film, and
when it's on film, it's on film. It is a
bad look. It definitely was a bad look.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Well.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
He spoke with his brother on his New Heights podcast,
of course he did about his future okay, and had
this to say.
Speaker 9 (08:13):
I know everybody wants to know whether or not I'm
playing next year, And right now, I'm just kicking everything
down the road. I'm kicking every can I can down
the road, and I'm not making any crazy decisions. But
I right now, the biggest thing is just being there
for my teammates. And you know, I've I've been fortunate
over the past five six years.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
I've played more football than anybody and it's it's.
Speaker 9 (08:35):
Because the people that are in that building and the
fact that we keep going to these AFC Championships and
these Super Bowls, and that means I'm playing an extra
three games more than everybody else in the in the
entire league.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
And that's a lot of wear and tear on your body.
And it's a lot.
Speaker 9 (08:51):
It's a lot of time spent in the building, focusing
on your craft, focusing on the task at hand. Every
challenge that you set up for yourself, that process could
be gruelly.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
It can. It can weigh on you.
Speaker 9 (09:02):
It can it can make you better, and it can
drive you crazy at the same time. And right now
it's one of those things where it was kind of
driving me crazy this year. And I think that it
happens as you as you kind of tail off towards
the back nine of your career, as as VP would say,
is as you see yourself or not feel yourself have
the success that you once used to have. Man, it's
(09:25):
it's a tough pill to swallow. And then on top
of that, to not be there in the biggest moments
knowing your team's counting on you. Man, those are all
extremely hard things to uh it's just a tough reality.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
He'll be back as well. Spoken though, I think he's
kind of.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I hope so, I hope.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
So.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
I do feel like there's more peace with the game
when you can finish on top. You know, I'm saying,
like you when you can ride out in the sunset
after a Super Bowl championship. So that could probably be
the motivating factor for him. My concern is is, I mean,
not only did he not appear to be effective physically,
(10:05):
it's taken a toll on him. I just I wonder
if he's willing to do what he needs to do
this offseason to get himself back in the best.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Possible position to go win one, to go be a
part of that. He's got a lot of things off
the field going on for him. Two.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
And I'm not saying once you have one foot out
the door that you can't excel. I mean, he's played
football for so long, he's got a great feel for
the game. He understands it. But you go back and
watch the Super Bowl and this has kind of always.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Been the case.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
I don't know if we had mentioned this earlier this week,
but between Gronk and Kelsey, like the one thing you
could say about Gronk when he got older, even though
he was banged up, that he was never fast.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
He was fast enough, but he was so massive and
he was so.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Good as a blocker that he had to be in
even on run games, you know, and even on run
plays because he would blow up.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Whoever's across from her.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
You know, that was a game that really exposed the
lack of physicality from Kelsey. There's many times where I mean,
he just wasn't given the effort you're accustomed to seeing.
And that's what shocked me. And granted, you know, you
can make whatever you one of a few clips here
and there. But I went back and watched it over
(11:17):
the game because I was curious to see and it
was just weird because it didn't seem like it was
the same Patrick Mahomes, the same Travis Kelcey connection, and
it didn't seem like Kelsey was as desperate to go
win that Super Bowl, you know what I'm saying, Like
there's something about those guys who've been there, done it,
they've won, they've lost, they understand all of it, and
(11:40):
when there's a desperation to it, it's almost like he's
doing everything he possibly can do to win that game,
and you're never gonna question the effort, or you should
never question the effort. This was a game where I
think if you go back and just watch him every play,
there's gonna be times where you question the effort. And
that's what was so surprising about it is for whatever reason,
(12:01):
it just it didn't seem like he was where he
was mentally in the previous Super Bowls and in many
of the other games I've seen him play.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That's what was the most surprising to me.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I'll just say this, He's he represented himself very well
in his explanation. It makes all the sense in the world.
I mean, I could imagine you being a younger player,
and if you were here for all of or there
I should say, for all of their success, you're probably fatigued.
(12:40):
You are one hundred percent fatigued. I mean, just a
regular season when you come out of college, a regular
season is very mentally and physically trying. I mean, you
have to learn how to be a pro when you
get there. It's not easy to go from doing the
amount of work in college that you have to do
(13:02):
in the league, and now they add an additional game.
It's just it's it's a it's a grueling it's a
grueling deal to go through a football season mentally and physically.
So I get where he's coming from, and and those
things that he's talked about, that fatigue and and just
(13:23):
you know, the monotony of it all. I don't know
how you would allow for it to play out in
the super Bowl because it is the last game of
the year. But at the same time, like you're saying,
that familiarity of being there, it's probably just another game
to them at this point. To some of them, it's
it's literally a part of the season. And and so
(13:45):
I don't know. I can't speak to it from experience.
You know, there's only a few guys that can speak
to it from experience. And to be honest with you,
have we gotten to a point now where they've done
it so much that they're the only team that I've
done it, So in theory, they're the only ones that
can speak to what that fatigue feels like going through
(14:05):
those types of seasons year in and year out. So,
I mean, whatever it is he decides to do again,
you just got to know going into it, you got
to represent yourself the best way that you possibly can
when you go out there on the field. You don't
want to get to a point in time where you know,
people are pulling up clips like they did, and there's
more of those than there are clips of you doing
(14:27):
amazing things out there on the field, because then now
it's like, well, what are you out here for? You know,
what did you come back for? And you don't ever
want your kind of like what your reputation and the
legacy that you built to take a hit on or
he's just stealing, or he's just here to be here.
You know, Oh, they're going to have to push him
out of the building. And then you know, he's had
(14:48):
so much success and nobody's going to sit there and
question his body of work. I think it's just something
that he's going to really have to take a good
long heart look at what he's willing to do and
how hard he's willing to work at this point in
his career.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
I just find it hard to believe that he wants
that to be the last sighting of him on an
NFL field, because just as a whole, there was no
real they got hit in the mouth and there was
no real counter it. Just where we've seen another Super Bowls.
They'll get down and they were competitive, and there was it.
(15:23):
They just didn't have it. And that's why I thought
it was interesting to see Andy Reid go over so
early on to try and wake everybody up, because they
think he sends it as well too. I just can't
imagine from a competitive standpoint, you're a great player like that.
The fact that he's talking about it in almost a
and they're almost mourning the loss and their performance and
(15:44):
maybe the effort they put on the field.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I just can't imagine that he walks away.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
And so yes, so much going on for him, There's
so many operations going on, there's so much opportunity. I
just if he did, I don't think anyone would sit
there and be like, oh boy, that was a big mistake.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I mean I would. I was curious.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
I mean, you've talked about the times in the off
season of radio, you know, if you're going to hang
it up or you know, take a take a break
from all of it.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I mean, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Because some of us do take breaks, you know, and yeah,
you know, well we're.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Al If you don't, I'm not taking advantage of your benefits.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Hell yeah, Hell yeah, I mean we're gonna be on
a different time slot next week.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I mean people take breaks.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Man, Hey, speaking of we'll be on different time slot tomorrow,
I mean extended weekend, Dan Patrick.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
People take breaks? What do you mean? What do you
cant hat?
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I mean, what do you mean we're going to do
a different time slot tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I'm not I'm not taking shots.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
I'm just saying, can I uh can I reach out
to Lee in the segments to close things up?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Lee, how hammered did you get yesterday?
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Because you sent me something on Instagram that blew my
mind and then I followed up and you never got
back to me.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
I'm sorry, I never got back to you.
Speaker 8 (17:06):
That's my fault.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, you'd be the guy whouldn't answer
the phone.
Speaker 8 (17:10):
I would be the guy who doesn't answer the phone
went silence to so I thought that was me.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I can't believe I was catching strays. That's why I
didn't even respond, like, I'm like, you look at these dudes, like,
what do you mean?
Speaker 8 (17:21):
I did send you a weird one though yesterday it
was what.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Was that about? Were you drunk?
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Well?
Speaker 8 (17:26):
It was dirt dirty mic in the boys. I thought
you'd appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I did, But that wasn't that scene.
Speaker 8 (17:32):
It was it was an offshoot of that scene.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
It was it was I've seen it. I've seen it.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
I just that's why I was a little confused by
it was that scene. It was like an offshoot of it.
That wasn't the scene that we always talked about that
happened in your car.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Right, it was?
Speaker 8 (17:45):
It literally was dirty mic and the boys really wrong.
Speaker 10 (17:50):
I had a drink some Super Bowl Sunday. Here's the
problem with this, que Let me tell you the problem
with this. We have had these conversations more than enough, bro.
And he'll say that, and then you'll start to see
the signs, the remnants of him getting tore down.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
And then you'll be like, Lee, seriously, are where are
you drinking? Bro? And he'll and he'll.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Finally like break down, be like yeah, yeah I was drinking.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Yeah, yeah I was.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
And then you ask him the reason, well, why are
you so adamant about telling us that you weren't?
Speaker 4 (18:23):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
His response is.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
What's that you can't believe me?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I'm always lying.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
You were quoted to say that once, Lee, you can't
you can't believe anything, And he can't believe anything that
I say. I'm always lying.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
Lee, and lie about something that happened last week. But
there was a time when he told us he was done,
he was going up, and one hundred percent was not
done that night. I know for a fact no, because
I went down to get food and I saw Lee
and I was like, I'm lying, mother.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
That was the Tuesday night dinner. Everybody was calling the
night and Lee. He's like, Lee was turning into a word.
He's like, it's only seven thirty back home, We're we're
a wolf in New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
You try to act like you were doing in Lee,
that was not the case. I love how youing firked
up there.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
It's like you put his hands on his hips and went,
I haven't had a drink since Super Bowl Sunday. Yea
freaking liar. Most people haven't, right, that's crazy, flying ass.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Ah, Lee, What does uh your significant other have to
do with that? Do you think that's uh the main
reason you haven't drank?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (19:34):
Yeah, we've enjoyed a couple of nice evenings together, so yeah,
no drinks.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
It was drinking a pretty woman. Yeah, there was drinking
and pretty woman. And why would you not drink. When
you have that type.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Of scenario playing out, by the way, you're lying.
Speaker 8 (19:48):
I attempted to.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I threw it out.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
There's like, hey, let's grab a let's grab a drink.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
But uh, you lie. We were lying.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
We were trying to catch the movie.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Lorna listening to this relationship play out on the radio
right now, how does it make you feel when you
listen to Lee talk about the fact that he had
no drinks and enjoyed night's out.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
With the other well as his work wife. I mind
my business. Oh yeah, it sounds like you're growing colder
towards the situation.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Why couldn't you.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Raise Lorena ray Ray?
Speaker 8 (20:19):
You don't even get a text through his phone right now?
Speaker 6 (20:21):
So ray Ray just slipped in now she's silenced.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Did you know what she said that? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
What did you What did you just say?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Lona?
Speaker 4 (20:30):
What did you just you just saw.
Speaker 8 (20:31):
What Lorena asked for me to pick up some food.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
On the way and dos you g me a m
chicken or a cheeseburger on your way in?
Speaker 8 (20:38):
And then he gets here and he's like, oh, I
didn't see your text because I have your notification of
silence altogether, because yeah, because I don't need a twelve
thirty text in the middle of the night saying, hey,
can you pick me up.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
A m And why is that Lee? Why is that Lee?
I mean, because it's just a text in the middle
of the night.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
No one's gonna she's not gonna appreciate you asking for
me to bring a cheeseburger to the studio.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
So my significant I mean, if I got a text
at the middle of the night, it's not even being
paid attention.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
To claimed a place together.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
It was over and now it seems like it's it's
back on as much as ever.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
She's a liar now.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Hey, And it's all because of Raina.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
It's all because his value went through the roof his stock.
He's like he was like almost about to be a
free agent, like in the NFL, and much like what
these agents do where the reporters, we're the ones that's
putting out the information.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
And now he's a top agent. I don't know, got franchised.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
You clean them up. She comes back to town. You
cleaned them up, like you know what it's like. It's
like along came Polly.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
It's like, are you for schoolba? You know what his
chick did?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Scuba rolled out, said she was going through some things
and then all of a sudden, you know, he finds Polly,
and Polly like gets going and he's happy, and then
now you want him back.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
That's what's going on with you right now, Lee is
going forward to I just I love the interrogation because
you come across little gems and details in the story
that go, oh, so the numbers block, the numbers block, and.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
She got her silence. So she's a coworker. What else
if she needs something?
Speaker 8 (22:21):
Yeah, well she knows, she knows if she needs if
she needs to get a hold how's she going to
find you?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Did you feel like you needed to get a hold
of it before that?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
M chicken?
Speaker 8 (22:30):
Of course I did. Okay, Lee, I should have called Lee?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
How does she get ahold of you?
Speaker 8 (22:39):
There's other ways? There's yea told rapid radio X or
the rapid radio X.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Rapid that's a good call, ye go the rapid radio.
That's gonna get you just too much in trouble. Yeah,
that's gonna get you. There's a whole bunch of Iranians
that are real pissed about this, real.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I mean, and I could see why because they want
to be in Lee's spot, and Lee's not taking advantage,
and he's like kind of like throwing it up in
Lorena's face, like, I mean, the significant other. You know,
we had a great couple of nights together, honey, so
good that we didn't have any drinks.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Meanwhile, meanwhile, Lorena's got to rely.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
He did say love you honey the other day too.
I saw I heard him throw that in there.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Meanwhile, Lorena's got to rely on deliveries from forced Gump
in the middle of the night to try and short
of respect on this show.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Well, I mean he gives her a little bit more
than that too.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Damn guy walked back to his car so fast the
bracest came off.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
She's got a whole box. He was not.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
He was not walking fast, bro, he was not walking
fast at all. If there was a pack of coyotes
out there that was coming for him, he was. He's
the one that you gotta be faster than you.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Make anybody had a problem.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
How fast you got to be to run away from
a pack of coyotes as fast as his ass, Faster
than that guy, faster than I'm gonna trip him.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Hey, Walt, could you with back braids.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
If it's on film, it's on film. That's the bottom line. Man,
you put it there, it's gonna be there. Don't say
it ain't there. Don't say you didn't do it because
you put it on film. You're gonna have to live
with it.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
God, I don't even know what. Let's just take a break.
We're late. Let's take a break.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
I'm man, love you welcome. He's right, got us silenced too,
not knowing what we may say, or.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Well you for sure?
Speaker 4 (24:35):
And La in front of the first two letters, Oh, yes,
you can't take any chances. Lakers updates, not happening, not happening.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Loraina has totally derailed everything but made it great at
the same time.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
So good for you. Yeah, Lee railed, Lee railed. Oh
that's sounded weird.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
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Speaker 4 (25:08):
By the way, somebody did somebody did an offer up
on social media to have Lee come to Green Bay
again and shot on some beers and catch member ducky.
I don't know why it's an impossible thought that we
could go to Green Bay. It's not for the draft.
I mean it feels like that's a doable, doable thing.
(25:31):
You know, maybe we get we get to work on that, Lee.
I mean, Lee, you're the Packers fan. You start hitting
up the powers that be?
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Yeah, Lee, does anyone uh you know, and and anyone
on the executives side listen to you?
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, absolutely do they?
Speaker 8 (25:44):
Yeah, absolutely, Only.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
When he's snitching by and tell him what to do.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
If you say to him, hey, we'd love to go
to the draft, are they like, oh okay, Lee? Or
are they like, oh, Lee, thanks for bringing that to
our attention.
Speaker 8 (26:00):
They will say thanks for bringing that to our attention.
We'll look into it, we'll see if we could get
a game plan together.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
And then they give you all that Tommy Bahama shirt.
Just keep moving on through life. You just keep walking.
Speaker 8 (26:11):
Well, I mean that is what I do. But uh yeah,
circle back, we'll circle back.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Who's your go to for stuff like that? Lee?
Speaker 8 (26:19):
Whoever we need to talk to, But I mean that
first would be Scott.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Yeah, our Lord and savior. Here's the selling point, all right,
So the draft is in Green Bay. We are on
in Green Bay. So we have an affiliate out there,
the great Steve Zabe and Zebe, who Lebar was on
with last week at the Super Bowl. He does a
show out there statewide. Mike Keller, great dude, worked with
him many times before. Also, there's a thought Abdul Carter
(26:45):
could be going number one overall to Tennessee and Cleveland,
Rady's former stomping grounds. Cleveland is going number two. Travis
the Bar played for the Giant. They're picking third. I mean,
it's like there's there's a real selling point here.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
He's a packer.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Lee.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Do you think you could sell this slie?
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Oh yeah, definitely. As long as you guys are on board,
then I'll uh go go for it. So I'm in.
We're in. We're all in their head?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Maybe one day I'll be in.
Speaker 8 (27:21):
Plus, I made lots of friends out there who will
offer great airbnbs if we need if we can't find hotels,
because I know they will feel anything.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Looks great to you, buddy.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not doing that. I'm not
trusting Lee's Airbnb plugs.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
No way, Lee staying in a motel that comes with
a hard key and the plastic room number attached to
it and say, you know it's good.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
No way.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
Cockroaches tang.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Yeah, well, Nicodemus, he lives there, man, Nicodemus followers. I'm
just telling you. You don't want to mess with Nicodemus
and the followers, Bro, They'll get you. It's a bad idea.
Speaking of the draft, and speaking of.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
The draft coming up, the Cincinnati Bengals are picking at seventeen,
so they'll be, uh, they'll be trying.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
To build around that roster.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
You've got, you know, more conversation about somebody else who
would like to uh maybe venture out and uh and
try to go elsewhere. One of their best defenders, most
consistent defenders over the past several years, Jermaine Pratt. Uh,
he is looking for a trade.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
That's their best defender.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Well, he's one of their better, more consistent defenders. I
wouldn't say Hendrickson is, but he's been really solid for
them over the past several years. He's looking for a
trade if he can't get a deal done. I believe
he's in the final year of a three year contract.
So part for the course with the Bengals, another player
looking to get a deal and demanding a trade if
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he can't get it done, at least publicly. Joe Burrow
was actually talking about the Cincinnati Bengals cap situation with
pardon my take It had.
Speaker 11 (29:00):
This to say, you could convert some of the money
to a signing bonus, okay, will lower the cap hit.
You can push some of the money to the back
end of the contract that lowers the cap, and then
when you get to the back end of the contract
you can restructure it and convert it to a signing bonus.
You understand the cap, I mean not really kind of,
(29:20):
because we.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Don't think that it exists way more than we do.
Speaker 11 (29:23):
Well, definitely, some teams seem to make it feel that way.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah yeah, I mean the States have just pretended it
doesn't exist for.
Speaker 11 (29:31):
A while when the Eagles are paying everybody, yeah yeah,
so it seems like the way whatever they're doing bang
bang yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
As you kind of pointed out, that's the couple different
ways you go about doing it. Now, What's what he's
not pointing out is when you do extend it out.
So let's say, like, for example, you'll hear me talk
about the avoidable years on the end of.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
A contract, those still count against your cap.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
You're just spreading it out far enough because because even
a signing bonus it counts against your cap. The difference
is you spread out that signing bonus so o for
the remainder of years of the contract. So, you know,
just to make math easy, if you had a twenty
million dollars signing bonus, you had four years left, right,
that's five million per year as opposed to if you're
going to pay him twenty million in base salary.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 6 (30:18):
So that's an essence how you go about, you know,
making or creating space within the cap. But as as
Burrow's kind of pointing out, those are essentially the two
ways of doing it. The hard thing is that teams
don't necessarily always want to do it because they don't
want to have to have a guy who's not on
their roster account against their cap. Now it's becoming more
of the in vogue thing to do, and that's why
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you see Philadelphia do it, you see the Saints do it,
and they they'll come up with other ways of getting
around it at that point. But that's an essence what
a lot of teams are doing now that are having success.
And the problem is and Borrough should I mean and look,
it's a good situation for Burrow when you're a franchise quarterback,
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when you've gotten that second big contract.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I always keep saying, you're the you're the mortgage company.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
You're who the team comes back to to refinance to
create cap space, because there's no concerns about you as
you know, as a player, if you're in question, like,
they know you're their guy. So whatever you're slated to
make in base sally that stated within the contract, they
can always come back. You convert some of that to
signing bonus and spread it out, come back the next year,
do it again, do it again, do it again. And
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so they they have to be willing to do one
of two things though. They have to have to cash
and be willing to pay out the cash in order
to do that. And they have to be willing to
spend like that's the other portion of this. You know,
they can do different things to create you know, cap
space for for Joe Burrow, but they're actually willing to
spend that money on players instead of put in their pockets.
(31:48):
So there's there's all sorts of different questions around to
me how the Bengals are going to handle this offseason
with some of their star players. But if it's anything
like we've seen in the past, they're to lose a
guy or two, Like they're probably gonna lose Tree hendricks
Trey Hendrickson, They'll probably lose T Higgins.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
So if that happens, it's a rap. I'm sorry, it's
a rap. You can forget about it. If they lose Hendrickson,
that's it totally changes the way their defense, how it goes.
He is the catalyst of their defense. T Higgins is
a big hit too. I mean, you saw it when
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he was injured that they are different offense with him out.
They're much better defense when they have him in. I
mean off excuse me, there's much better offense when they
have Higgins. I just I think that's a brutal hit.
If I'm the Cincinnati Bengals, why do you allow that
to happen? Why do you allow I mean if you can't,
if you cannot, you know, protect against it.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
But like like we're talking about it, you can ultimately
figure out a way to keep your best players. You can,
and that's the bottom line. I mean, it is t
Higgins going to go on the open market and get
what Jamar Chase will get. No, he's not, so figure
it out because somebody's going to pay him the same
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type of dollar that you would have had to pay
him at the end of the day. And it's not
going to be for a one receiver. But yet he
brings one receiver quality to your offense. So I just
I don't know, I think that's a bad look. I
think letting Hendrickson go is I mean, it just totally
changes the way your team is.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
It's interesting how he's sort of publicly created a line
in the sand so the fan base knows, hey, this
is how this is possible. Let's see if they make
it work, and basically letting him know, we've got a window,
we've got opportunity here, and if this doesn't get done,
you go backwards.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
And he's putting you on notice.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah that this organization is cheap. That team definitely goes
backwards if those guys walk.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
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Speaker 4 (34:09):
Right now, we turn it over to a Thursday tradition.
A man we saw live in person last week in
New Orleans, the Great Albert Breer, the star of Amazon's
NFL on Prime coverage, NFL on Prime Insider, senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
At the MMQB.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
You can get him on x at Albert Breer and
a man who doubled down on social media for his
love for the city of New Orleans is a Super
Bowl host city. AB Good morning, how with you on morning?
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Sir? Oh, it's the best. I believe you have it
every year. Brady, there it is. I would federally fund
a stadium for New Orleans so it can always be there.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
Well, there might actually already be some funds that are
diverted there based on a lot of things we're finding out.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
But Albert, you made it out.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
Okay, nothing happened to you, didn't get sick, you didn't
get it stabbed or drugged or anything.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
No, no, no, no, I mean, okay.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
All those things were on the table after last week.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
So I'm alive, and well, I'm alive, and well, you know,
I honestly, I mean, you like the Vegas Super Bowl, right, Brady, Yeah,
I love Vegas. I mean, I just I don't know.
I don't know how somebody could look at and say
those things about New Orleans and like Vegas doesn't make
sense to me.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
But if you're trying to compare New Orleans in Vegas,
like I just, that's where you lose me. I don't
think anyone in their right mind think that those two
are things are even closer.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I agree with Q on this one.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Ab, So you're you're a New Orleans hater too.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I don't hate New Orleans. I don't.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
I don't have that strong of an emotion and invested
in it. But I would I would dare not compare
Vegas and New Orleans, though, I mean, oh.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
I mean I think as far as like seeds Prime,
like that stuff exists in both cities, right.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Vegas does a much better job of covering it up.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
And also last year, I don't remember some of the
things that took place this past week happening in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
At least we didn't hear about.
Speaker 7 (36:02):
Them, tang.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Vegas is a good way of covering things up, so.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
You know that, And the air quality is a whole
lot better seemingly if there ain't no you know, sandstorms
going on over those things.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
The casinos are rough man with a cigarette smoke, Ah yeah,
but they pump in a whole lot of oxygen.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Man.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
It just depends on the areas you are in the casino.
But that, you know, it is what it is. I
want to ask you about what was your what was
your takeaways from from the Super Bowl? I mean, going
into it obviously, I think I've recall you being more
pro you know, you can't go against Chiefs, Yeah, stuff
(36:38):
like that.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
What was your takeaway after watching the game?
Speaker 5 (36:42):
Well, just so the Eagles are supremely well built. You know,
I was wrong, you know, I thought the gap, I know,
I think I said this to you guys last week.
I did think that the Eagles had the bend roster.
What I was wrong about was the gap between the two.
You know, I thought it was relatively close. As it
turns out it was not, you know, And I think
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there's some good lessons for other teams in this, and
there are a few, like football wise, Like I think
the obvious one is you build through the line of discrimmage,
and they're really strong at the line of scrimmage, both
lines the Eagles are and I think that's where this
game is won or loss, you know, one and loss
is where the Chiefs simply couldn't block the Eagles and
(37:23):
the Chiefs couldn't get to Jalen Hurts, and that really
was the ballgame. Yeah. I also think like it's, you know,
an example of a team that pulls every single lever
you know, and they have a big ticket free agent,
Saquon Barkley. They have reclamation projects like Zach Bond and
like Zach Bond and uh and Mackay Becton. They have
(37:45):
guys they traded for like Darius Slay and A. J. Brown,
and then of course they've drafted exceptionally well, you know.
So I think it's an example of a team that
has just pulled just about every lever it possibly can
to build its roster and turned over every single rock,
you know. And I think that the the the underlying,
(38:05):
the underlying thing about all of this is the owner
spends and there there there's been great investment into that team.
And you know, in a league where I think owners
are sometimes more competitive about profitability than they are about
wins and losses and about doing good business than they
are about winning championships. You know, I think Jeffery Lewie's
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sent a set of tone in that place where you
know the priority is winning, period, end of story. And
you know they've got one of the most built out
personnel departments in all sports. They have a ton of
different resources that they can pull on when it comes
to player acquisition. And then you just look at their coordinators.
I mean they spent I think it's over nine million
(38:48):
dollars per year on Kellen Moore and Vic Fangio, you know,
and I think both those guys are a great job
this year. So that's why when I looked at and
coming out of it of bars like this felt to
me like you know, we we we a lot of
times try to assign credit right like where it's like
is it the coach? Is it the quarterback? Is it
the general manager? I think in this case like this
(39:11):
is just total and complete organizational triumphs. They won the
Super Bowl at every level.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Albert, which team between Kansas City and Philly looks the
most different?
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Next year, I would say the Chiefs will probably look
a little bit more different. Like I just say that
because of what happened the last time this happened when
when they got their brains beat in by the by
the Buccaneers four years ago. They came back having sort
of reset in a lot of different areas, you know,
(39:42):
and and primarily it was in the offensive line. If
you guys remember, they they they signed Joe Touney, they
trade for Orlando Brown, they draft Create hum Koree and
Trace Smith. They had four new offensive alignment in five
out of five starting spots. And so I don't know
if the change will be that drastic on the offensive line,
(40:03):
but they've got some big decisions to make with you know,
Tray Smith being a free agent. I think their tackle
position should and probably will look a lot different next
year than than it does right now, you know. And
then I think, you know, defensively, they've got some decisions
to make as well. You know. I Nick Bolton's been
kind of like the heartbeat of their defense. They re
(40:24):
sign him, you know, I think. And and then as
Travis Kelcey coming back, you know, I think that's an
open question. As of like a month ago, I you know,
I talked to a few people who thought that was
it for him, you know, and that that that he
was done and then he came out during Super Bowl
week and he said and and and he said he
planned to keep playing. So I was like, okay, you know,
(40:44):
and now it's sort of flipped back around, so it's
Kelsey back. Because if Kelsey's not back, you know, now
you're looking at a guy who you know, is the
focal point of the offense for a lot of years
and at the very least was where Patrick Mahomes is
going in big spots gone. Now you've got to replace
that as well. So I think the Chiefs will probably
go through more change than the Eagles. Well this offseason, Albert.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
One of the things I mentioned yesterday, I kind of
feel like maybe flew under the radar because there's all
just talk about how great the Eagles team is, the
roster you kind of talked about you thought it was
closer than it actually ended up being, and watching that
game as far as the difference between the Eagles and
Chiefs is Howie Roseman like, we kind of talked a
lot about, you know, Hurts and Syrianni everything else. But
(41:28):
does this kind of stake a claim for Roseman get
into the Pro Football.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Hall of Fame?
Speaker 5 (41:32):
I think, yeah, you have to consider it. I mean,
like when you look at like the teams he's built
and he's won with so many different coaches now, I mean,
he was part of the group with Andy Reid, you know,
and he became the general manager at the very end
of Andy Reid's time. I'm in Philly, so he was
there for for reads success and then you know they
(41:54):
won ten games seriars in their owl. Chip Kelly, you
won a super Bowl with Doug Peterson and now he's
won a super Bowl and been to two with nixt
year Yanni. You know, he has gone to super Bowls
with most two different quarterbacks now. So so yeah, And
I think one of the thing is like when you
consider an executive, when you consider, like, you know, an
(42:14):
executive for a spot in the for Football Hall of Fame,
one thing that you have to look at his impact.
And you know, I do think like you know, when
you look at the way that they do things are
so innovative and they've done things differently. You know, it's
funny looking back at it, like how you feel sensitive
about the idea that he's not a football guy, you know,
and that he's that he was more of like a
cap side guy, right, Like and a lot of the
(42:35):
guys when they're young deal with this. But over the years,
I think he's like sort of become this hybrid of
everything where you know, he understands every facet of a
football operation and understands what goes into it and what
he's really like a lead app You can have all
of this information, whether it's analytics, traditional scouting, you know,
(42:55):
all the different things that go into its, sports science,
the tracking, all that different stuff, but if you don't
know how to synthesize it and put it together, it's workless,
you know what I mean. Then you just have a
mountain of information. And you know, from the people I
know that have worked with him, but they say he's
truly a lade at US. Jeffrey Lord gives them all
these resources and builds out all these different departments and
(43:16):
everything else. And that's great, but you need somebody who's
there to synthesize all the information and boil it down
and take it and be able to use in a
way where you're able to effectively make decisions with it.
And that's what how he's a lead at And so
you know, I think that if you want to talk
about an innovation with Hallie. It's being at the forefront
of being able to take all this new age stuff
(43:38):
and marry it with the old school stuff and turn
it into the sort of roster he put on the
field on Sunday, you know, so you know, certainly you know,
as a multi time Super Bowl winner. Now I think
he's he's going to merit consideration, and rightfully so, he's
done a great job there.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
Albert Breer, Amazon NFL on Prime Insider, Senior NFL Report
lead content and strategist at the MMQB, joining us here
on Fox Sports Radio now as we transition over to
the off season. Most interesting off season storyline to watch
for you as what.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
I think, it's actually the Bengals. I mean, did you
guys have Joe Burrow on last week? Because it seemed
like everybody else did.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
I don't know, I mean, people weren't awake when we
were going we had on one of his employees, was that.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
We had on one of his employees?
Speaker 5 (44:32):
Okay, okay, So I mean I would just tell you, like,
like I think, listening to.
Speaker 12 (44:37):
Joe last week, Joe knows that Joe's are really smart,
and Joe knows what he's doing, and Joe keeps saying
the same thing over and over and over again for
a reason. You know, I think like he wants to
be a Bengal for life, and he wants to be.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
The person who turned that place around. He wants them
to win Champo, win multiple champampionships there, and winning championships
is a singular focus. But he also knows that the
perception of the franchise has been over the years. He
also knows the perception of ownership there, Mike Brown and
his family, the Blackburns, has been there. So you know, like,
(45:15):
I don't think like there was any sort of accident
handling the last four or five months the way that
he did, where he would subtenly drop hints during the
season and then like last week, it was almost like
he did a media blitz of like here's what we
need to do, and we need to pay t Higgins,
and we need to pay Jamar Chase, and we need
(45:36):
to pay Trey Hendrickson. How all of that plays out
is really I think going to be fascinating. I think
there's the most interesting team this offseason. Does ownership open
a checkbook and take care of everybody? And if they don't,
what does that do to the relationship with the quarterback.
I think, to me, they're the most interesting team because
(45:57):
either this thing is setting up the Bengals to win
for the next half decade and compete for championships and
for Joe to be in the running for MVP, or
it could go in the other direction. If it goes
in the other direction, I mean, you guys, remember what
happened with Carson Palmer fifteen years ago. They can't let
that happen again.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
I think that's an interesting take because looking at who
won the MVP this year, it wasn't based upon best stats, right.
If it was best stats, then it would either been
Joe Burrow it would have been Lamar Jackson. May it
leads me to this question, listening to what you're saying
about Joe Burrow and the Bengals, has has Jalen Hurts
(46:39):
done enough to be in the conversation of rival to
Patrick Mahomes And what does that look like moving forward?
In terms of Okay, maybe Jalen Hurts doesn't create the
most gaudy stat lines in what he does, but there
is something to be said about winning, I would assume,
especially if he is considered to be the catalyst of winning.
Speaker 5 (47:03):
Yeah, you know, I struggled with this one a little bit, LeVar,
because I do think like there's this upper tier. I
think there are four guys in the upper tier, right,
like and that that that that has been this way
for maybe a couple of years now, where it's Patrick Mahomes,
Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Lamar Jacks. I think those
the four, right, And I don't think many people would
have argued with that a couple of weeks ago. Jalen
(47:25):
Hurts is a winner though, you know, and I just
it's hard for me to discount anything he's done. I
love his story, and he wanted a high level in
college too. I mean he played well in high leverage
situations as a college player. You know. Now we could
talk about the championship game against Georgia if you want,
but I mean, for the most part, like this is
a guy who over the years, going back to college,
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has been at his best when his best was needed.
And you know, I think you saw that again in
the super Bowl. Where was he as good as the
Super Bowl two years ago? Maybe not, but he was
right there. He's got two really good performances on that stage.
Now and was the MVP. Maybe not, but he gave
the team everything he needed, you know, I know I
(48:08):
would argue that that maybe Josh Swite deserved it. Hurts
gets it fine, you know. So it's it's sort of
like you hate to do it, but it's like, how
do you divorce a player from his team's success? And
so I don't know if I put him on that
tier with the other four, you do, I.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Don't think you do a b I certainly do not
put him in the top tier of quarterbacks, but I
put him in top tier of winning quarterbacks right right right.
Speaker 5 (48:38):
That's the hard thing, you know what I mean, Like,
I don't know, Like it's really hard to divorce him
from the success the team's had. But like, like I
think we've seen with you those other four, that those
other four are capable of carrying the team, you know,
And I don't know. I don't know that at the
end of the day that Jalen Hurts would be capable
of doing that. Now, again, what I would say is,
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when the chips are in the middle of the table
and you've got a good team, I wouldn't buy you.
I implicitly trust you know, I implicitly trust Jalen Hurts
to get it done. And there's a lot to be
said for that because we've seen quarterbacks who are great players,
So you can't say that about the past, right But
but but I don't know that he's quite on the
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on the tier of the other court. And I hate
saying that three days after, four days after he won
a Super Bowl because it sounds like you're discounting him
or whatever, because he's a he's a really good player
who's great when he needs to be.
Speaker 6 (49:31):
Albert last one for me and quickly Sam Donold, where's
the end out? Like, what's the most likely landing spot
for him coming out this offseason?
Speaker 5 (49:41):
So I think the Vikings like to keep him, but
I don't know that they're going to be I don't
know if they're going to pay what he'll he'll wind
up getting on the open market. My guest right now
is they don't. They don't tag him, if you know,
maybe they put the transition tag on him, but they
let him go to the market and they say, okay,
like if you could like like go see what you're
(50:03):
worth and then we'd love to continue the conversation with you.
As for teams like on the outside that I think,
you know, would be interesting at least is suitors. Vegas
would be one, you know, I think Vegas, you know,
obviously has no opening there and Sam could at least
be a bridge for them. And then the other one
I just kind of keep an eye on will be
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the Rams. If they wind up trading Matthew Stafford, then
I could certainly see that being an answer to them.
He's from there and he played in the system that
was you know, very it's very much like the one
the Rams run both in Minnesota and San Francisco, so
you'd have some scheme familiarity there. And obviously there's a
(50:45):
tie between Kevin O'Connell and Sean mcsay where I think
a lot of the things about the program that darn
will be walking into in Los Angeles will be pretty
relatable for him.
Speaker 4 (50:55):
Focus is phenomenal. What's your dogs so pissy about the
Matt Patricia hire?
Speaker 5 (51:03):
No, no, no, no, Gunner's fired enough about the Matt
Patricia hire. He's a big fan of it. Oh those
are happy barks, Jonah.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
We're happy for you.
Speaker 4 (51:14):
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Speaker 5 (51:26):
All right, now, let I'll let Donner chake me out here.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
I'll I'll keep you guys hard.
Speaker 4 (51:30):
But there he is the great Alba Brier with us here,
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Lavore could have been in a rock band like that.
Hell yes, oh oh my bad. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I would love to go to a concert with Jonas
like this and watch from somewhere safe. I never want
to go to another concert again like this though, because
these aren't like small venues. A lot of times, right
people be having like you know, all kinds of rings
on their fingers and stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Like that and knocking each other out, and.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
It's way too much like they go with the whole costume.
Have you ever mah pitted?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yeah, slayer mosh pit? I did a fear factory mosh pit.
Did you get hit or did you do the hitting
I got? I got run over by a guy so
bad that that I and I was so pissed off
about it because I got completely clowned that I waited
until he came back around and totally cheap shot. Pretty
sure I separated my shoulder. This guy was so big,
(01:18):
like it not in the good type of big, like
he looked for you. He was Uh yeah, I learned
my lesson pretty quick. Yeah, it's not not a great idea.
But you ever mach pit.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Probably when I was young, maybe like in junior high
or something like that. But you know nothing nothing seriously ever,
you ever col tip dance? You ever col tip?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
You're a tip?
Speaker 6 (01:40):
No, although we talked a lot about it, but never
never Cali colt tip I have.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
That's a real thing.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Did they go down pretty easy? No, that's not true
at all. Now are we at least a sleep? So
when you start pushing they don't feel it.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
That's point, that's the point. You get them wide sleep.
So it's the ultimate cheap shot. It's ultimately but that
ain't it ain't the cheap shot.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
You think.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Cow tipping is more or less like working together to
finally get it over. It ain't like it ain't like
what you think it is not. It is not as
like funny and as like joked about glorious as people
think it is. It's it's really like a dirty job
and it's not worth doing.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
By the way, being a cow must suck your entire life.
Just eat some grapes like people are yanking on your nipples,
and then you eat grass. They blame you for the
ozone deteriorating couple of farts and they're like, oh, well,
it's because all the the fumes that come from them.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
And then by the.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
Way, if we're gonna blame cows, why we blame lee?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I want a cow to come in studio and yank
my nipples?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Whoa hey, man say?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Period is crazy? Man, A few guys man out of context?
You want a cow to come pull your nips?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
And then at the end of it all you just
get butchered and like there you're.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
If you're treat it well. You could tell if they
were treated well or not. Though about the taste of them,
you know, just saying that might have that might have
grossed out all the vegans out there that that are
awake right now listening to us. But I'm just saying,
if they're if they're taking care of you know, massage daily, yeah,
talk to you know, people are are paid to talk
(03:32):
to the cows, and you know, see how they're doing
that is what is right?
Speaker 7 (03:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Oh man.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Then there's like there's like different levels of it too,
Like they have like dot dash eight eight nine stuff
like that. It's crazy, Like how how how'd you exactly
label this?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
This piece of meat.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Meanwhile, LaVar and his buddy, you're tipping them over all
trying to catch a nap back in the day, and
I was a city dude.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I was a city dude.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I ended up dating somebody that lived in the country
for the rest of my high school time country girl.
She ain't act time country. She was from the country.
She was more street than me.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Uh, we used to see so many cows. And one
time it was like a I don't know, it's like
a teammate getaway type of deal. And we drove out there,
like it's like an hour outside of Pittsburgh, and yeah,
we saw him, and you know, we went after one
hurt stink got it though. Somebody stepped in some cow
(04:44):
dung on the like on the like, you don't you
don't take some of the small details of trying to
go through a like you know, a feel full of cows.
You know, you just think you're gonna go tip a
coal and then you're gonna laugh about it because you
were drinking and then you go get back in the
car and go it didn't happen like that. Yeah, you
can't hurt them, right, they say, they say, you heard
(05:05):
them if they fall over. But it's really just I
felt like when we did it, we didn't hurt them
or or her heard her, but it was the mooing,
Like it was the you know that that once you
once you tipped it. That was what made it work.
If I'm being totally honest, That's what made it worthwhile. Like,
(05:27):
that's what made it memorable. I'm sorry I was younger.
I mean, I was in high school. But that's what
made it. That's what made it worthwhile.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Like seeing the snap bubbles.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Bro, when you hear the noise that it makes when
it goes down like that, that mooing noise, Like, that's
the funniest that's in person.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I ain't gonna lie to you. It's the funniest that's
in person. Well, shout out to Peter. I hope you're
enjoying the first portion of the show. I was seventeen.
That's so dumb. What are y'all?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Don't know?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
What are you watching? Laredo? You were lore under the
bit right there.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I have not touched these TVs all night. Dude.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Look look look just like Loraina.
Speaker 8 (06:12):
You put that on there? Yes x X A great movie.
X one of three. First of three. I think that's me.
Oh goodness, oh god, that's good.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
It looked like Travis Kelsey with with LORRAINO. You know,
I can't really tell that that's uh, what's her name,
Taylor Swift or not? Yeah, but that definitely is Lorraine
trying to pull her way out from under.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
It's a great uh great seguey uh.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I mean that's more action right there than Travis Kelsey
got in that Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yeah, did you have any catches?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Like one?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Do you think you had one?
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Won?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
A lot of hustle little jump shot all right, a
lot of a lot of hustle plays, has pointed out
on social media.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I mean, it sucks that probably that's like maybe maybe
I don't know, four four plays that he probably did
like that during the game.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
Four for thirty nine for Kelsey, Oh four four cats.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's nice. It might have been as the second half, right,
if not all correct.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I mean if you think about it, you know what
I mean, Like people capture people's bad moments, but they
always said what they say, Q is if you put
it on film, it's on film. Like you put it
that's right there, Like if you put it on film,
it's on film.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
It's right there, dyeing the sky, don't lie.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Eyeing the sky, don't lie.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
So you got to make sure that you're always hustling,
or at least if you put it on film.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
It's on film. Film, Yeah, you can't. You can't deny it.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
You can't be like ah, well, Patrick Mahomes looked like
he was in dress, like he was gonna get his
head knock the hell off. They were gonna tear his
arms off, take his legs, hand him back to him,
send him over to the skyline. It's on film, and
when it's on film, it's on film. It is a
bad look. It definitely was a bad look.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Well.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
He spoke with his brother on his New Heights podcast,
of course he did about his future okay, and had
this to say.
Speaker 9 (08:13):
I know everybody wants to know whether or not I'm
playing next year, And right now, I'm just kicking everything
down the road. I'm kicking every can I can down
the road, and I'm not making any crazy decisions. But
I right now, the biggest thing is just being there
for my teammates. And you know, I've I've been fortunate
over the past five six years.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
I've played more football than anybody and it's it's.
Speaker 9 (08:35):
Because the people that are in that building and the
fact that we keep going to these AFC Championships and
these Super Bowls, and that means I'm playing an extra
three games more than everybody else in the in the
entire league.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
And that's a lot of wear and tear on your body.
And it's a lot.
Speaker 9 (08:51):
It's a lot of time spent in the building, focusing
on your craft, focusing on the task at hand. Every
challenge that you set up for yourself, that process could
be gruelly.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
It can. It can weigh on you.
Speaker 9 (09:02):
It can it can make you better, and it can
drive you crazy at the same time. And right now
it's one of those things where it was kind of
driving me crazy this year. And I think that it
happens as you as you kind of tail off towards
the back nine of your career, as as VP would say,
is as you see yourself or not feel yourself have
the success that you once used to have. Man, it's
(09:25):
it's a tough pill to swallow. And then on top
of that, to not be there in the biggest moments
knowing your team's counting on you. Man, those are all
extremely hard things to uh it's just a tough reality.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
He'll be back as well. Spoken though, I think he's
kind of.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I hope so, I hope.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
So.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
I do feel like there's more peace with the game
when you can finish on top. You know, I'm saying,
like you when you can ride out in the sunset
after a Super Bowl championship. So that could probably be
the motivating factor for him. My concern is is, I mean,
not only did he not appear to be effective physically,
(10:05):
it's taken a toll on him. I just I wonder
if he's willing to do what he needs to do
this offseason to get himself back in the best.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Possible position to go win one, to go be a
part of that. He's got a lot of things off
the field going on for him. Two.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
And I'm not saying once you have one foot out
the door that you can't excel. I mean, he's played
football for so long, he's got a great feel for
the game. He understands it. But you go back and
watch the Super Bowl and this has kind of always.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Been the case.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
I don't know if we had mentioned this earlier this week,
but between Gronk and Kelsey, like the one thing you
could say about Gronk when he got older, even though
he was banged up, that he was never fast.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
He was fast enough, but he was so massive and
he was so.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Good as a blocker that he had to be in
even on run games, you know, and even on run
plays because he would blow up.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Whoever's across from her.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
You know, that was a game that really exposed the
lack of physicality from Kelsey. There's many times where I mean,
he just wasn't given the effort you're accustomed to seeing.
And that's what shocked me. And granted, you know, you
can make whatever you one of a few clips here
and there. But I went back and watched it over
(11:17):
the game because I was curious to see and it
was just weird because it didn't seem like it was
the same Patrick Mahomes, the same Travis Kelcey connection, and
it didn't seem like Kelsey was as desperate to go
win that Super Bowl, you know what I'm saying, Like
there's something about those guys who've been there, done it,
they've won, they've lost, they understand all of it, and
(11:40):
when there's a desperation to it, it's almost like he's
doing everything he possibly can do to win that game,
and you're never gonna question the effort, or you should
never question the effort. This was a game where I
think if you go back and just watch him every play,
there's gonna be times where you question the effort. And
that's what was so surprising about it is for whatever reason,
(12:01):
it just it didn't seem like he was where he
was mentally in the previous Super Bowls and in many
of the other games I've seen him play.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That's what was the most surprising to me.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I'll just say this, He's he represented himself very well
in his explanation. It makes all the sense in the world.
I mean, I could imagine you being a younger player,
and if you were here for all of or there
I should say, for all of their success, you're probably fatigued.
(12:40):
You are one hundred percent fatigued. I mean, just a
regular season when you come out of college, a regular
season is very mentally and physically trying. I mean, you
have to learn how to be a pro when you
get there. It's not easy to go from doing the
amount of work in college that you have to do
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in the league, and now they add an additional game.
It's just it's it's a it's a grueling it's a
grueling deal to go through a football season mentally and physically.
So I get where he's coming from, and and those
things that he's talked about, that fatigue and and just
(13:23):
you know, the monotony of it all. I don't know
how you would allow for it to play out in
the super Bowl because it is the last game of
the year. But at the same time, like you're saying,
that familiarity of being there, it's probably just another game
to them at this point. To some of them, it's
it's literally a part of the season. And and so
(13:45):
I don't know. I can't speak to it from experience.
You know, there's only a few guys that can speak
to it from experience. And to be honest with you,
have we gotten to a point now where they've done
it so much that they're the only team that I've
done it, So in theory, they're the only ones that
can speak to what that fatigue feels like going through
(14:05):
those types of seasons year in and year out. So,
I mean, whatever it is he decides to do again,
you just got to know going into it, you got
to represent yourself the best way that you possibly can
when you go out there on the field. You don't
want to get to a point in time where you know,
people are pulling up clips like they did, and there's
more of those than there are clips of you doing
(14:27):
amazing things out there on the field, because then now
it's like, well, what are you out here for? You know,
what did you come back for? And you don't ever
want your kind of like what your reputation and the
legacy that you built to take a hit on or
he's just stealing, or he's just here to be here.
You know, Oh, they're going to have to push him
out of the building. And then you know, he's had
(14:48):
so much success and nobody's going to sit there and
question his body of work. I think it's just something
that he's going to really have to take a good
long heart look at what he's willing to do and
how hard he's willing to work at this point in
his career.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
I just find it hard to believe that he wants
that to be the last sighting of him on an
NFL field, because just as a whole, there was no
real they got hit in the mouth and there was
no real counter it. Just where we've seen another Super Bowls.
They'll get down and they were competitive, and there was it.
(15:23):
They just didn't have it. And that's why I thought
it was interesting to see Andy Reid go over so
early on to try and wake everybody up, because they
think he sends it as well too. I just can't
imagine from a competitive standpoint, you're a great player like that.
The fact that he's talking about it in almost a
and they're almost mourning the loss and their performance and
(15:44):
maybe the effort they put on the field.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I just can't imagine that he walks away.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
And so yes, so much going on for him, There's
so many operations going on, there's so much opportunity. I
just if he did, I don't think anyone would sit
there and be like, oh boy, that was a big mistake.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I mean I would. I was curious.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
I mean, you've talked about the times in the off
season of radio, you know, if you're going to hang
it up or you know, take a take a break
from all of it.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I mean, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Because some of us do take breaks, you know, and yeah,
you know, well we're.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Al If you don't, I'm not taking advantage of your benefits.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Hell yeah, Hell yeah, I mean we're gonna be on
a different time slot next week.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I mean people take breaks.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Man, Hey, speaking of we'll be on different time slot tomorrow,
I mean extended weekend, Dan Patrick.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
People take breaks? What do you mean? What do you
cant hat?
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I mean, what do you mean we're going to do
a different time slot tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I'm not I'm not taking shots.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
I'm just saying, can I uh can I reach out
to Lee in the segments to close things up?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Lee, how hammered did you get yesterday?
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Because you sent me something on Instagram that blew my
mind and then I followed up and you never got
back to me.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
I'm sorry, I never got back to you.
Speaker 8 (17:06):
That's my fault.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, you'd be the guy whouldn't answer
the phone.
Speaker 8 (17:10):
I would be the guy who doesn't answer the phone
went silence to so I thought that was me.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I can't believe I was catching strays. That's why I
didn't even respond, like, I'm like, you look at these dudes, like,
what do you mean?
Speaker 8 (17:21):
I did send you a weird one though yesterday it
was what.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Was that about? Were you drunk?
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Well?
Speaker 8 (17:26):
It was dirt dirty mic in the boys. I thought
you'd appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I did, But that wasn't that scene.
Speaker 8 (17:32):
It was it was an offshoot of that scene.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
It was it was I've seen it. I've seen it.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
I just that's why I was a little confused by
it was that scene. It was like an offshoot of it.
That wasn't the scene that we always talked about that
happened in your car.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Right, it was?
Speaker 8 (17:45):
It literally was dirty mic and the boys really wrong.
Speaker 10 (17:50):
I had a drink some Super Bowl Sunday. Here's the
problem with this, que Let me tell you the problem
with this. We have had these conversations more than enough, bro.
And he'll say that, and then you'll start to see
the signs, the remnants of him getting tore down.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
And then you'll be like, Lee, seriously, are where are
you drinking? Bro? And he'll and he'll.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Finally like break down, be like yeah, yeah I was drinking.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Yeah, yeah I was.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
And then you ask him the reason, well, why are
you so adamant about telling us that you weren't?
Speaker 4 (18:23):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
His response is.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
What's that you can't believe me?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I'm always lying.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
You were quoted to say that once, Lee, you can't
you can't believe anything, And he can't believe anything that
I say. I'm always lying.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
Lee, and lie about something that happened last week. But
there was a time when he told us he was done,
he was going up, and one hundred percent was not
done that night. I know for a fact no, because
I went down to get food and I saw Lee
and I was like, I'm lying, mother.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
That was the Tuesday night dinner. Everybody was calling the
night and Lee. He's like, Lee was turning into a word.
He's like, it's only seven thirty back home, We're we're
a wolf in New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
You try to act like you were doing in Lee,
that was not the case. I love how youing firked
up there.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
It's like you put his hands on his hips and went,
I haven't had a drink since Super Bowl Sunday. Yea
freaking liar. Most people haven't, right, that's crazy, flying ass.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Ah, Lee, What does uh your significant other have to
do with that? Do you think that's uh the main
reason you haven't drank?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (19:34):
Yeah, we've enjoyed a couple of nice evenings together, so yeah,
no drinks.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
It was drinking a pretty woman. Yeah, there was drinking
and pretty woman. And why would you not drink. When
you have that type.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Of scenario playing out, by the way, you're lying.
Speaker 8 (19:48):
I attempted to.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I threw it out.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
There's like, hey, let's grab a let's grab a drink.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
But uh, you lie. We were lying.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
We were trying to catch the movie.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Lorna listening to this relationship play out on the radio
right now, how does it make you feel when you
listen to Lee talk about the fact that he had
no drinks and enjoyed night's out.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
With the other well as his work wife. I mind
my business. Oh yeah, it sounds like you're growing colder
towards the situation.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Why couldn't you.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Raise Lorena ray Ray?
Speaker 8 (20:19):
You don't even get a text through his phone right now?
Speaker 6 (20:21):
So ray Ray just slipped in now she's silenced.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Did you know what she said that? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
What did you What did you just say?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Lona?
Speaker 4 (20:30):
What did you just you just saw.
Speaker 8 (20:31):
What Lorena asked for me to pick up some food.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
On the way and dos you g me a m
chicken or a cheeseburger on your way in?
Speaker 8 (20:38):
And then he gets here and he's like, oh, I
didn't see your text because I have your notification of
silence altogether, because yeah, because I don't need a twelve
thirty text in the middle of the night saying, hey,
can you pick me up.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
A m And why is that Lee? Why is that Lee?
I mean, because it's just a text in the middle
of the night.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
No one's gonna she's not gonna appreciate you asking for
me to bring a cheeseburger to the studio.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
So my significant I mean, if I got a text
at the middle of the night, it's not even being
paid attention.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
To claimed a place together.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
It was over and now it seems like it's it's
back on as much as ever.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
She's a liar now.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Hey, And it's all because of Raina.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
It's all because his value went through the roof his stock.
He's like he was like almost about to be a
free agent, like in the NFL, and much like what
these agents do where the reporters, we're the ones that's
putting out the information.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
And now he's a top agent. I don't know, got franchised.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
You clean them up. She comes back to town. You
cleaned them up, like you know what it's like. It's
like along came Polly.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
It's like, are you for schoolba? You know what his
chick did?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Scuba rolled out, said she was going through some things
and then all of a sudden, you know, he finds Polly,
and Polly like gets going and he's happy, and then
now you want him back.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
That's what's going on with you right now, Lee is
going forward to I just I love the interrogation because
you come across little gems and details in the story
that go, oh, so the numbers block, the numbers block, and.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
She got her silence. So she's a coworker. What else
if she needs something?
Speaker 8 (22:21):
Yeah, well she knows, she knows if she needs if
she needs to get a hold how's she going to
find you?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Did you feel like you needed to get a hold
of it before that?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
M chicken?
Speaker 8 (22:30):
Of course I did. Okay, Lee, I should have called Lee?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
How does she get ahold of you?
Speaker 8 (22:39):
There's other ways? There's yea told rapid radio X or
the rapid radio X.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Rapid that's a good call, ye go the rapid radio.
That's gonna get you just too much in trouble. Yeah,
that's gonna get you. There's a whole bunch of Iranians
that are real pissed about this, real.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I mean, and I could see why because they want
to be in Lee's spot, and Lee's not taking advantage,
and he's like kind of like throwing it up in
Lorena's face, like, I mean, the significant other. You know,
we had a great couple of nights together, honey, so
good that we didn't have any drinks.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Meanwhile, meanwhile, Lorena's got to rely.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
He did say love you honey the other day too.
I saw I heard him throw that in there.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Meanwhile, Lorena's got to rely on deliveries from forced Gump
in the middle of the night to try and short
of respect on this show.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Well, I mean he gives her a little bit more
than that too.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Damn guy walked back to his car so fast the
bracest came off.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
She's got a whole box. He was not.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
He was not walking fast, bro, he was not walking
fast at all. If there was a pack of coyotes
out there that was coming for him, he was. He's
the one that you gotta be faster than you.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Make anybody had a problem.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
How fast you got to be to run away from
a pack of coyotes as fast as his ass, Faster
than that guy, faster than I'm gonna trip him.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Hey, Walt, could you with back braids.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
If it's on film, it's on film. That's the bottom line. Man,
you put it there, it's gonna be there. Don't say
it ain't there. Don't say you didn't do it because
you put it on film. You're gonna have to live
with it.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
God, I don't even know what. Let's just take a break.
We're late. Let's take a break.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
I'm man, love you welcome. He's right, got us silenced too,
not knowing what we may say, or.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Well you for sure?
Speaker 4 (24:35):
And La in front of the first two letters, Oh, yes,
you can't take any chances. Lakers updates, not happening, not happening.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Loraina has totally derailed everything but made it great at
the same time.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
So good for you. Yeah, Lee railed, Lee railed. Oh
that's sounded weird.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
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Speaker 4 (25:08):
By the way, somebody did somebody did an offer up
on social media to have Lee come to Green Bay
again and shot on some beers and catch member ducky.
I don't know why it's an impossible thought that we
could go to Green Bay. It's not for the draft.
I mean it feels like that's a doable, doable thing.
(25:31):
You know, maybe we get we get to work on that, Lee.
I mean, Lee, you're the Packers fan. You start hitting
up the powers that be?
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Yeah, Lee, does anyone uh you know, and and anyone
on the executives side listen to you?
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, absolutely do they?
Speaker 8 (25:44):
Yeah, absolutely, Only.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
When he's snitching by and tell him what to do.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
If you say to him, hey, we'd love to go
to the draft, are they like, oh okay, Lee? Or
are they like, oh, Lee, thanks for bringing that to
our attention.
Speaker 8 (26:00):
They will say thanks for bringing that to our attention.
We'll look into it, we'll see if we could get
a game plan together.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
And then they give you all that Tommy Bahama shirt.
Just keep moving on through life. You just keep walking.
Speaker 8 (26:11):
Well, I mean that is what I do. But uh yeah,
circle back, we'll circle back.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Who's your go to for stuff like that? Lee?
Speaker 8 (26:19):
Whoever we need to talk to, But I mean that
first would be Scott.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Yeah, our Lord and savior. Here's the selling point, all right,
So the draft is in Green Bay. We are on
in Green Bay. So we have an affiliate out there,
the great Steve Zabe and Zebe, who Lebar was on
with last week at the Super Bowl. He does a
show out there statewide. Mike Keller, great dude, worked with
him many times before. Also, there's a thought Abdul Carter
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could be going number one overall to Tennessee and Cleveland,
Rady's former stomping grounds. Cleveland is going number two. Travis
the Bar played for the Giant. They're picking third. I mean,
it's like there's there's a real selling point here.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
He's a packer.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Lee.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Do you think you could sell this slie?
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Oh yeah, definitely. As long as you guys are on board,
then I'll uh go go for it. So I'm in.
We're in. We're all in their head?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Maybe one day I'll be in.
Speaker 8 (27:21):
Plus, I made lots of friends out there who will
offer great airbnbs if we need if we can't find hotels,
because I know they will feel anything.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Looks great to you, buddy.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not doing that. I'm not
trusting Lee's Airbnb plugs.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
No way, Lee staying in a motel that comes with
a hard key and the plastic room number attached to
it and say, you know it's good.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
No way.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
Cockroaches tang.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Yeah, well, Nicodemus, he lives there, man, Nicodemus followers. I'm
just telling you. You don't want to mess with Nicodemus
and the followers, Bro, They'll get you. It's a bad idea.
Speaking of the draft, and speaking of.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
The draft coming up, the Cincinnati Bengals are picking at seventeen,
so they'll be, uh, they'll be trying.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
To build around that roster.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
You've got, you know, more conversation about somebody else who
would like to uh maybe venture out and uh and
try to go elsewhere. One of their best defenders, most
consistent defenders over the past several years, Jermaine Pratt. Uh,
he is looking for a trade.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
That's their best defender.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Well, he's one of their better, more consistent defenders. I
wouldn't say Hendrickson is, but he's been really solid for
them over the past several years. He's looking for a
trade if he can't get a deal done. I believe
he's in the final year of a three year contract.
So part for the course with the Bengals, another player
looking to get a deal and demanding a trade if
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he can't get it done, at least publicly. Joe Burrow
was actually talking about the Cincinnati Bengals cap situation with
pardon my take It had.
Speaker 11 (29:00):
This to say, you could convert some of the money
to a signing bonus, okay, will lower the cap hit.
You can push some of the money to the back
end of the contract that lowers the cap, and then
when you get to the back end of the contract
you can restructure it and convert it to a signing bonus.
You understand the cap, I mean not really kind of,
(29:20):
because we.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Don't think that it exists way more than we do.
Speaker 11 (29:23):
Well, definitely, some teams seem to make it feel that way.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah yeah, I mean the States have just pretended it
doesn't exist for.
Speaker 11 (29:31):
A while when the Eagles are paying everybody, yeah yeah,
so it seems like the way whatever they're doing bang
bang yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
As you kind of pointed out, that's the couple different
ways you go about doing it. Now, What's what he's
not pointing out is when you do extend it out.
So let's say, like, for example, you'll hear me talk
about the avoidable years on the end of.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
A contract, those still count against your cap.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
You're just spreading it out far enough because because even
a signing bonus it counts against your cap. The difference
is you spread out that signing bonus so o for
the remainder of years of the contract. So, you know,
just to make math easy, if you had a twenty
million dollars signing bonus, you had four years left, right,
that's five million per year as opposed to if you're
going to pay him twenty million in base salary.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 6 (30:18):
So that's an essence how you go about, you know,
making or creating space within the cap. But as as
Burrow's kind of pointing out, those are essentially the two
ways of doing it. The hard thing is that teams
don't necessarily always want to do it because they don't
want to have to have a guy who's not on
their roster account against their cap. Now it's becoming more
of the in vogue thing to do, and that's why
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you see Philadelphia do it, you see the Saints do it,
and they they'll come up with other ways of getting
around it at that point. But that's an essence what
a lot of teams are doing now that are having success.
And the problem is and Borrough should I mean and look,
it's a good situation for Burrow when you're a franchise quarterback,
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when you've gotten that second big contract.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I always keep saying, you're the you're the mortgage company.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
You're who the team comes back to to refinance to
create cap space, because there's no concerns about you as
you know, as a player, if you're in question, like,
they know you're their guy. So whatever you're slated to
make in base sally that stated within the contract, they
can always come back. You convert some of that to
signing bonus and spread it out, come back the next year,
do it again, do it again, do it again. And
(31:27):
so they they have to be willing to do one
of two things though. They have to have to cash
and be willing to pay out the cash in order
to do that. And they have to be willing to
spend like that's the other portion of this. You know,
they can do different things to create you know, cap
space for for Joe Burrow, but they're actually willing to
spend that money on players instead of put in their pockets.
(31:48):
So there's there's all sorts of different questions around to
me how the Bengals are going to handle this offseason
with some of their star players. But if it's anything
like we've seen in the past, they're to lose a
guy or two, Like they're probably gonna lose Tree hendricks
Trey Hendrickson, They'll probably lose T Higgins.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
So if that happens, it's a rap. I'm sorry, it's
a rap. You can forget about it. If they lose Hendrickson,
that's it totally changes the way their defense, how it goes.
He is the catalyst of their defense. T Higgins is
a big hit too. I mean, you saw it when
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he was injured that they are different offense with him out.
They're much better defense when they have him in. I
mean off excuse me, there's much better offense when they
have Higgins. I just I think that's a brutal hit.
If I'm the Cincinnati Bengals, why do you allow that
to happen? Why do you allow I mean if you can't,
if you cannot, you know, protect against it.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
But like like we're talking about it, you can ultimately
figure out a way to keep your best players. You can,
and that's the bottom line. I mean, it is t
Higgins going to go on the open market and get
what Jamar Chase will get. No, he's not, so figure
it out because somebody's going to pay him the same
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type of dollar that you would have had to pay
him at the end of the day. And it's not
going to be for a one receiver. But yet he
brings one receiver quality to your offense. So I just
I don't know, I think that's a bad look. I
think letting Hendrickson go is I mean, it just totally
changes the way your team is.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
It's interesting how he's sort of publicly created a line
in the sand so the fan base knows, hey, this
is how this is possible. Let's see if they make
it work, and basically letting him know, we've got a window,
we've got opportunity here, and if this doesn't get done,
you go backwards.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
And he's putting you on notice.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah that this organization is cheap. That team definitely goes
backwards if those guys walk.
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Speaker 4 (34:09):
Right now, we turn it over to a Thursday tradition.
A man we saw live in person last week in
New Orleans, the Great Albert Breer, the star of Amazon's
NFL on Prime coverage, NFL on Prime Insider, senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
At the MMQB.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
You can get him on x at Albert Breer and
a man who doubled down on social media for his
love for the city of New Orleans is a Super
Bowl host city. AB Good morning, how with you on morning?
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Sir? Oh, it's the best. I believe you have it
every year. Brady, there it is. I would federally fund
a stadium for New Orleans so it can always be there.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
Well, there might actually already be some funds that are
diverted there based on a lot of things we're finding out.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
But Albert, you made it out.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
Okay, nothing happened to you, didn't get sick, you didn't
get it stabbed or drugged or anything.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
No, no, no, no, I mean, okay.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
All those things were on the table after last week.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
So I'm alive, and well, I'm alive, and well, you know,
I honestly, I mean, you like the Vegas Super Bowl, right, Brady, Yeah,
I love Vegas. I mean, I just I don't know.
I don't know how somebody could look at and say
those things about New Orleans and like Vegas doesn't make
sense to me.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
But if you're trying to compare New Orleans in Vegas,
like I just, that's where you lose me. I don't
think anyone in their right mind think that those two
are things are even closer.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I agree with Q on this one.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Ab, So you're you're a New Orleans hater too.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I don't hate New Orleans. I don't.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
I don't have that strong of an emotion and invested
in it. But I would I would dare not compare
Vegas and New Orleans, though, I mean, oh.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
I mean I think as far as like seeds Prime,
like that stuff exists in both cities, right.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Vegas does a much better job of covering it up.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
And also last year, I don't remember some of the
things that took place this past week happening in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
At least we didn't hear about.
Speaker 7 (36:02):
Them, tang.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Vegas is a good way of covering things up, so.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
You know that, And the air quality is a whole
lot better seemingly if there ain't no you know, sandstorms
going on over those things.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
The casinos are rough man with a cigarette smoke, Ah yeah,
but they pump in a whole lot of oxygen.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Man.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
It just depends on the areas you are in the casino.
But that, you know, it is what it is. I
want to ask you about what was your what was
your takeaways from from the Super Bowl? I mean, going
into it obviously, I think I've recall you being more
pro you know, you can't go against Chiefs, Yeah, stuff
(36:38):
like that.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
What was your takeaway after watching the game?
Speaker 5 (36:42):
Well, just so the Eagles are supremely well built. You know,
I was wrong, you know, I thought the gap, I know,
I think I said this to you guys last week.
I did think that the Eagles had the bend roster.
What I was wrong about was the gap between the two.
You know, I thought it was relatively close. As it
turns out it was not, you know, And I think
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there's some good lessons for other teams in this, and
there are a few, like football wise, Like I think
the obvious one is you build through the line of discrimmage,
and they're really strong at the line of scrimmage, both
lines the Eagles are and I think that's where this
game is won or loss, you know, one and loss
is where the Chiefs simply couldn't block the Eagles and
(37:23):
the Chiefs couldn't get to Jalen Hurts, and that really
was the ballgame. Yeah. I also think like it's, you know,
an example of a team that pulls every single lever
you know, and they have a big ticket free agent,
Saquon Barkley. They have reclamation projects like Zach Bond and
like Zach Bond and uh and Mackay Becton. They have
(37:45):
guys they traded for like Darius Slay and A. J. Brown,
and then of course they've drafted exceptionally well, you know.
So I think it's an example of a team that
has just pulled just about every lever it possibly can
to build its roster and turned over every single rock,
you know. And I think that the the the underlying,
(38:05):
the underlying thing about all of this is the owner
spends and there there there's been great investment into that team.
And you know, in a league where I think owners
are sometimes more competitive about profitability than they are about
wins and losses and about doing good business than they
are about winning championships. You know, I think Jeffery Lewie's
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sent a set of tone in that place where you
know the priority is winning, period, end of story. And
you know they've got one of the most built out
personnel departments in all sports. They have a ton of
different resources that they can pull on when it comes
to player acquisition. And then you just look at their coordinators.
I mean they spent I think it's over nine million
(38:48):
dollars per year on Kellen Moore and Vic Fangio, you know,
and I think both those guys are a great job
this year. So that's why when I looked at and
coming out of it of bars like this felt to
me like you know, we we we a lot of
times try to assign credit right like where it's like
is it the coach? Is it the quarterback? Is it
the general manager? I think in this case like this
(39:11):
is just total and complete organizational triumphs. They won the
Super Bowl at every level.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Albert, which team between Kansas City and Philly looks the
most different?
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Next year, I would say the Chiefs will probably look
a little bit more different. Like I just say that
because of what happened the last time this happened when
when they got their brains beat in by the by
the Buccaneers four years ago. They came back having sort
of reset in a lot of different areas, you know,
(39:42):
and and primarily it was in the offensive line. If
you guys remember, they they they signed Joe Touney, they
trade for Orlando Brown, they draft Create hum Koree and
Trace Smith. They had four new offensive alignment in five
out of five starting spots. And so I don't know
if the change will be that drastic on the offensive line,
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but they've got some big decisions to make with you know,
Tray Smith being a free agent. I think their tackle
position should and probably will look a lot different next
year than than it does right now, you know. And
then I think, you know, defensively, they've got some decisions
to make as well. You know. I Nick Bolton's been
kind of like the heartbeat of their defense. They re
(40:24):
sign him, you know, I think. And and then as
Travis Kelcey coming back, you know, I think that's an
open question. As of like a month ago, I you know,
I talked to a few people who thought that was
it for him, you know, and that that that he
was done and then he came out during Super Bowl
week and he said and and and he said he
planned to keep playing. So I was like, okay, you know,
(40:44):
and now it's sort of flipped back around, so it's
Kelsey back. Because if Kelsey's not back, you know, now
you're looking at a guy who you know, is the
focal point of the offense for a lot of years
and at the very least was where Patrick Mahomes is
going in big spots gone. Now you've got to replace
that as well. So I think the Chiefs will probably
go through more change than the Eagles. Well this offseason, Albert.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
One of the things I mentioned yesterday, I kind of
feel like maybe flew under the radar because there's all
just talk about how great the Eagles team is, the
roster you kind of talked about you thought it was
closer than it actually ended up being, and watching that
game as far as the difference between the Eagles and
Chiefs is Howie Roseman like, we kind of talked a
lot about, you know, Hurts and Syrianni everything else. But
(41:28):
does this kind of stake a claim for Roseman get
into the Pro Football.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Hall of Fame?
Speaker 5 (41:32):
I think, yeah, you have to consider it. I mean,
like when you look at like the teams he's built
and he's won with so many different coaches now, I mean,
he was part of the group with Andy Reid, you know,
and he became the general manager at the very end
of Andy Reid's time. I'm in Philly, so he was
there for for reads success and then you know they
(41:54):
won ten games seriars in their owl. Chip Kelly, you
won a super Bowl with Doug Peterson and now he's
won a super Bowl and been to two with nixt
year Yanni. You know, he has gone to super Bowls
with most two different quarterbacks now. So so yeah, And
I think one of the thing is like when you
consider an executive, when you consider, like, you know, an
(42:14):
executive for a spot in the for Football Hall of Fame,
one thing that you have to look at his impact.
And you know, I do think like you know, when
you look at the way that they do things are
so innovative and they've done things differently. You know, it's
funny looking back at it, like how you feel sensitive
about the idea that he's not a football guy, you know,
and that he's that he was more of like a
cap side guy, right, Like and a lot of the
(42:35):
guys when they're young deal with this. But over the years,
I think he's like sort of become this hybrid of
everything where you know, he understands every facet of a
football operation and understands what goes into it and what
he's really like a lead app You can have all
of this information, whether it's analytics, traditional scouting, you know,
(42:55):
all the different things that go into its, sports science,
the tracking, all that different stuff, but if you don't
know how to synthesize it and put it together, it's workless,
you know what I mean. Then you just have a
mountain of information. And you know, from the people I
know that have worked with him, but they say he's
truly a lade at US. Jeffrey Lord gives them all
these resources and builds out all these different departments and
(43:16):
everything else. And that's great, but you need somebody who's
there to synthesize all the information and boil it down
and take it and be able to use in a
way where you're able to effectively make decisions with it.
And that's what how he's a lead at And so
you know, I think that if you want to talk
about an innovation with Hallie. It's being at the forefront
of being able to take all this new age stuff
(43:38):
and marry it with the old school stuff and turn
it into the sort of roster he put on the
field on Sunday, you know, so you know, certainly you know,
as a multi time Super Bowl winner. Now I think
he's he's going to merit consideration, and rightfully so, he's
done a great job there.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
Albert Breer, Amazon NFL on Prime Insider, Senior NFL Report
lead content and strategist at the MMQB, joining us here
on Fox Sports Radio now as we transition over to
the off season. Most interesting off season storyline to watch
for you as what.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
I think, it's actually the Bengals. I mean, did you
guys have Joe Burrow on last week? Because it seemed
like everybody else did.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
I don't know, I mean, people weren't awake when we
were going we had on one of his employees, was that.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
We had on one of his employees?
Speaker 5 (44:32):
Okay, okay, So I mean I would just tell you, like,
like I think, listening to.
Speaker 12 (44:37):
Joe last week, Joe knows that Joe's are really smart,
and Joe knows what he's doing, and Joe keeps saying
the same thing over and over and over again for
a reason. You know, I think like he wants to
be a Bengal for life, and he wants to be.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
The person who turned that place around. He wants them
to win Champo, win multiple champampionships there, and winning championships
is a singular focus. But he also knows that the
perception of the franchise has been over the years. He
also knows the perception of ownership there, Mike Brown and
his family, the Blackburns, has been there. So you know, like,
(45:15):
I don't think like there was any sort of accident
handling the last four or five months the way that
he did, where he would subtenly drop hints during the
season and then like last week, it was almost like
he did a media blitz of like here's what we
need to do, and we need to pay t Higgins,
and we need to pay Jamar Chase, and we need
(45:36):
to pay Trey Hendrickson. How all of that plays out
is really I think going to be fascinating. I think
there's the most interesting team this offseason. Does ownership open
a checkbook and take care of everybody? And if they don't,
what does that do to the relationship with the quarterback.
I think, to me, they're the most interesting team because
(45:57):
either this thing is setting up the Bengals to win
for the next half decade and compete for championships and
for Joe to be in the running for MVP, or
it could go in the other direction. If it goes
in the other direction, I mean, you guys, remember what
happened with Carson Palmer fifteen years ago. They can't let
that happen again.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
I think that's an interesting take because looking at who
won the MVP this year, it wasn't based upon best stats, right.
If it was best stats, then it would either been
Joe Burrow it would have been Lamar Jackson. May it
leads me to this question, listening to what you're saying
about Joe Burrow and the Bengals, has has Jalen Hurts
(46:39):
done enough to be in the conversation of rival to
Patrick Mahomes And what does that look like moving forward?
In terms of Okay, maybe Jalen Hurts doesn't create the
most gaudy stat lines in what he does, but there
is something to be said about winning, I would assume,
especially if he is considered to be the catalyst of winning.
Speaker 5 (47:03):
Yeah, you know, I struggled with this one a little bit, LeVar,
because I do think like there's this upper tier. I
think there are four guys in the upper tier, right,
like and that that that that has been this way
for maybe a couple of years now, where it's Patrick Mahomes,
Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Lamar Jacks. I think those
the four, right, And I don't think many people would
have argued with that a couple of weeks ago. Jalen
(47:25):
Hurts is a winner though, you know, and I just
it's hard for me to discount anything he's done. I
love his story, and he wanted a high level in
college too. I mean he played well in high leverage
situations as a college player. You know. Now we could
talk about the championship game against Georgia if you want,
but I mean, for the most part, like this is
a guy who over the years, going back to college,
(47:47):
has been at his best when his best was needed.
And you know, I think you saw that again in
the super Bowl. Where was he as good as the
Super Bowl two years ago? Maybe not, but he was
right there. He's got two really good performances on that stage.
Now and was the MVP. Maybe not, but he gave
the team everything he needed, you know, I know I
(48:08):
would argue that that maybe Josh Swite deserved it. Hurts
gets it fine, you know. So it's it's sort of
like you hate to do it, but it's like, how
do you divorce a player from his team's success? And
so I don't know if I put him on that
tier with the other four, you do, I.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Don't think you do a b I certainly do not
put him in the top tier of quarterbacks, but I
put him in top tier of winning quarterbacks right right right.
Speaker 5 (48:38):
That's the hard thing, you know what I mean, Like,
I don't know, Like it's really hard to divorce him
from the success the team's had. But like, like I
think we've seen with you those other four, that those
other four are capable of carrying the team, you know,
And I don't know. I don't know that at the
end of the day that Jalen Hurts would be capable
of doing that. Now, again, what I would say is,
(49:00):
when the chips are in the middle of the table
and you've got a good team, I wouldn't buy you.
I implicitly trust you know, I implicitly trust Jalen Hurts
to get it done. And there's a lot to be
said for that because we've seen quarterbacks who are great players,
So you can't say that about the past, right But
but but I don't know that he's quite on the
(49:20):
on the tier of the other court. And I hate
saying that three days after, four days after he won
a Super Bowl because it sounds like you're discounting him
or whatever, because he's a he's a really good player
who's great when he needs to be.
Speaker 6 (49:31):
Albert last one for me and quickly Sam Donold, where's
the end out? Like, what's the most likely landing spot
for him coming out this offseason?
Speaker 5 (49:41):
So I think the Vikings like to keep him, but
I don't know that they're going to be I don't
know if they're going to pay what he'll he'll wind
up getting on the open market. My guest right now
is they don't. They don't tag him, if you know,
maybe they put the transition tag on him, but they
let him go to the market and they say, okay,
like if you could like like go see what you're
(50:03):
worth and then we'd love to continue the conversation with you.
As for teams like on the outside that I think,
you know, would be interesting at least is suitors. Vegas
would be one, you know, I think Vegas, you know,
obviously has no opening there and Sam could at least
be a bridge for them. And then the other one
I just kind of keep an eye on will be
(50:24):
the Rams. If they wind up trading Matthew Stafford, then
I could certainly see that being an answer to them.
He's from there and he played in the system that
was you know, very it's very much like the one
the Rams run both in Minnesota and San Francisco, so
you'd have some scheme familiarity there. And obviously there's a
(50:45):
tie between Kevin O'Connell and Sean mcsay where I think
a lot of the things about the program that darn
will be walking into in Los Angeles will be pretty
relatable for him.
Speaker 4 (50:55):
Focus is phenomenal. What's your dogs so pissy about the
Matt Patricia hire?
Speaker 5 (51:03):
No, no, no, no, Gunner's fired enough about the Matt
Patricia hire. He's a big fan of it. Oh those
are happy barks, Jonah.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
We're happy for you.
Speaker 4 (51:14):
Get him on x at. Albert Breer, Senior NFL reported
lead content strategist at the m m QB, Amazon, NFL
on Prime Insider. Always fun on a Thursday. Ab Let's
suit again next week.
Speaker 5 (51:26):
All right, now, let I'll let Donner chake me out here.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
I'll I'll keep you guys hard.
Speaker 4 (51:30):
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