June 27, 2025 • 60 mins
It’s a Football Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, and Justin Tucker is likely done after his suspension finally comes down. The Bucs reward stability by extending Todd Bowles and Jason Licht. Plus, Honest criticism for “players-coach” Mike Tomlin.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Labar Aarings and Rating Wind and Jonas Knox
on five four Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Fucking Drack, We're back and we're bad.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Sucking blood in the dark. Can't see me. I'm camouflage,
but Drack is flying. Yeah, waits things want.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
To sucking blood out your neck? Yeah, sucking blood.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
You known't what was stella? I was telling Petros yesterday
we were talking about Little League, and I'm like, man,
I'll bet my kids day night split are gonna be
wild because he'll probably just refuse to play during.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
The day, but at night he is a winner.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Rank I'll tread fatten six sixty with like seventy five
home runs. But during the day nowhere to be found
hanging upside down on the dugoutang waiting for the sun
to go down.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Tang.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Well, that sun can be a doozy, sure kid. UV
was up there yesterday too, like like seven or eight yesterday.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio, another edition of Black and Drag.
Here on a football Friday, It'll be LeVar, Arrington, jon
and Here taking you all the way up until nine
am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. You can listen to
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Speaker 2 (02:00):
What up sticks? What man? So you're watching some horse racing?
Apparently that's crazy, bro.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I never thought Chris Jones would be outdone, but this
one clearly puts Chris Jones in an easy second, easy second,
and it's an uncomfortable first.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I'll tell you that. You just see the one I
sent it to you too. Leeve you see the.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
One that that I sent you. It's it's uh, let's
just say. You don't really pay attention to how obvious
it is when you're watching horse racing, but when you
watch regular racing like sprinters racing, and that happens, it's noticeable.
Oh my, very uncomfortable. So I didn't make it all
(02:53):
the way through. I didn't make it to the finish line,
I'll tell you that. But it was I heard it
was a valiant effort though. Yeah know he went to
hit and still won the race even though he had
a uniform malfunction.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Yeah, I believe the name is Chris Robinson, US track
star who did win a race, and he won a race.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I mean he should have won a race. He ran
a three legs. I mean, he definitely has horse power.
He should run the race. What do you expect. Guy's
got a leg up on the comfortence, the leg up
and a foot I mean that's what he should do.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Sorry for having, you know, higher expectations for certain people
here on this show, Paul Jeeves.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
It just makes you wan pu.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
It just makes you wonder. How do cats wear anything
but like onesies to run? You can't wear them blue
shorts when you're sprinting, man, when you've right now now,
I just look at it differently. Now for all these years,
you know, he's just like you never paid it really
any mind, but that Wille forced you to pay attention
(04:01):
to the fact, like you got to pay attention to
what you're wearing when you're round them.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
This is what I wonder because I know that racer,
like sprinters, swimmers, they're looking for an edge anyway they
can get it. And I've always I've always wondered about that,
Like swimmers will shave their armpits, and they'll shave their bodies.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, and their faces and everything.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
You mean, a little armpit hair, is going to be
the difference between you and in a gold or a bronze,
probably more mental, you know what I mean. Like, it's
all I know is I'm not a gazer. That's not
something that I've ever been into. Not not my deal,
not for s's and giggles, not for anything. For anything,
(04:42):
I'm not a gazer.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
But that video that popped up first of all, just
like the Chris Jones joint, it's just kinda it's like
seeing roadkill. You see that that smashed up bird or
or squirrel on the side of the road, and it's
close to you, and you can look at it and
you can see it, and then you look and you see.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
They got me. Hiss a b that's cold blood. Just
for that's cold blooded.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Just just a little friendly reminder for people that are
doing the AI grock images of black and drag. LeVar
is an actual, living, breathing black band with credentials, and
it's very easy to find pictures of him on the internet.
(05:34):
You can make me any kind of Dracula you want.
That's fine. Levar's known. Okay, So, like these people are
putting up these grock images of random black guys in
white beaters.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I love it personally, And I said, by the way, yeah,
white white beater. Just to be clear, gold chains like
this cold bluddy, I look like a yes anyway.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I just that that that footage that popped up, it's
it's uh, it's just a reminder that the pressures and
the things that as you mentioned, to compete at the
highest of levels to try to win, and the things
that we don't generally think about that could possibly happen,
and then his ability his resilience to be able to tuck,
(06:24):
like you know, throttle down maybe just a little bit tuck,
go back to trying to get to top end speed.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I believe they were hurdling too, weren't they. It was
a hurdles race.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
And I think he tumbled at the end intentional, well,
I mean because at that point he's like, you know
it would be intentionally.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I mean clearly, if something like.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
That gets the moving around with no no type of
you know it being you know, kind of secured, it's
going to throw you off off balance.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah. The momentum of them.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Like like when you're when dudes are running, like sometimes
dudes be hitting off of each leg like it'd be
like leg leg leg leg, lag leg and then as
they're speeding up is like leg leg leg leg leg leg.
I feel horrible sadness. But always thought to myself, how
can you be fast if you got to carry all that?
(07:18):
Like you said, you get rid of the hair on
your arms and stuff like that. Whatever, How are you
that fast if you have to carry something like that?
Literally the tail.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Wagging the dog, Yeah yeah, literally yeah and still one
and still one, and it tumbled the end. It was uncomfortable, though, man,
but it was funny as hell. How can it be
uncomfortable and funny all at the same time? It was though, well, listen,
I do know this. It's time we transition to something
(07:50):
that that's gonna be a little bit more. He was
transitioning more of a mature conversation. Okay, a mature discussion, right,
Justin Tucker? Okay, these that's not mature at all. Former
Ravens kicker Justin Tucker was suspended for the first ten
weeks of the regular season after the NFL found he
violated the league's personal conduct policy. Now, this goes back
(08:14):
to his issues and the allegations that he was inappropriate
at multiple massage parlors in and around the Baltimore area
from I believe twenty twelve to twenty sixteen. No, that
was not him after a game winner, but justin Tucker.
They did the investigation, They looked into it, and they
(08:37):
tried to see, all right, so is there something to
these stories, something to these reports. And you talk to
certain people in Baltimore and they're like, yeah, this has
been rumblings about this stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
For years and years and years that there was.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Allegations and people like whispering about and what brought this on?
And there was Jerry Coleman, who covers the Ravens and
Baltimore Sports, does a phenomenal job. Listener to the program,
He's fantastic. Jerry pointed out that what brought the conversations
up was not because people thinking, well, you know, did
(09:13):
he know these were allegations were coming out and that's
why he struggled last year. No, what brought the topic
up was people wondering, God, why is he struggling? Maybe
he should go back to his old ways. Oh wow,
And that's what sparked up all of the details and
the allegations and the revelations and the rumors started again,
and that's why this became a story. So nonetheless, he
(09:35):
gets suspended for the first ten games of the season.
If he were to sign with the team, he could
attend training camp and play in preseason games before the
suspension starts August twenty sixth. He's eligible for reinstatement November eleventh.
The NFL says they clearly.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Found something that they didn't like in looking through the
information about him, and I don't, you know, it doesn't
really mention anything about legal action. I don't think at
this point, I don't think so, yeah, I don't. I
don't think I saw that in anything that i've I've
looked up into the scenario. But if the NFL suspended
(10:15):
that man for such a substantial amount of time, like
you even look at the Deshaun Watsons one game Watson
one game less, and and while Watson settled and maintains
his innocence, if if this was a matter of him
getting shook down, I just don't think the NFL is
(10:36):
going to make it an example of or or create
a standard where its employees can be extorted, because that's
what that would be.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
As extortion is what it is.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
You're dictating what the working health of of that that
employee is by making these these claims, especially obviously if
they were to consider it to be false claims. So
the NFL can't just be loosely throwing out ten game,
you know, multiple of games of suspension if they don't
(11:13):
feel like there's something warranted to issue out because that
is a very very stiff penalty. That's half the season.
More so, it's more than half, but you know what
I'm saying, it's half of the season gone, and so
to me, you don't want to put the league in
(11:34):
a situation where any type of dealings can easily be
leveraged by those who wish to gain from it. All
you gotta do, say this happened, Boom, the NFL has
to act. You gotta believe some type of civil suits
are coming now that you got a suspension from the league.
(11:56):
Maybe that that's a good enough case for or a
buzzby or you know another lawyer out there to do
a lawsuit against a collection of lawsuits against Tucker to
get a settlement. It happened with Deshaun Watson. Don't know
how much they got out of it, but you gotta
(12:17):
believe it's in the seven figures. You gotta believe it's
in the seventh figures somewhere. So yeah, So to me,
you don't want, if I'm the NFL, you don't want
to just take these these matters lightly, not only from
the standpoint of if it really happened, but imagine if
it didn't happen. Now you gotta you like that fine
(12:41):
tooth comb has got to be so handled so well,
with so much care, because you are in a situation
where the decisions that you make as a governing body
are ultimately going to dictate how things have to be
handled in the future based upon what these guys are
doing in their spare time and how it's being interpreted
(13:05):
by the people who they're spending this time with.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
So Tucker's representative released the following statement after the NFL
decision to is suspend him for the first ten weeks
of the season. Quote, we are disappointed with the NFL's decision.
Justin has always strived to carry himself in a way
that would make his family and community proud. He stands
by his previous statements. In order to put this difficult
episode behind him and get back on the field as
soon as possible, We've advised Justin to accept this resolution and.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Close this menage. Accept the resolution. We just code for hey,
we got no shot. Here be camp, we got no shot.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
I mean, we can continue to try and you know,
deny this and all that, but there's got to be
some decent amount of evidence that would suggest that these
allegations have some validity to.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Them, which now leads to you better give an agreement
to any of these people that have you know, made
the claims against you, and get that in signed, and
get an agreement signed so you can put it to
bid and move on from it, so there's no further embarrassment.
There's no further coverage because all it does is continue
(14:11):
to damage his brand. But it's collateral damage as well,
because it damages the National Football League's brand as well.
Guilty by association and the league has to know that,
and they have to understand that these are very delicate situations,
and it's taking place in a time where the delicacy
(14:32):
of handling things of this nature are at a high premium.
You cannot miss and mess around with these types of scenarios.
And while I say the NFL is big enough as
a brand and as a commodity to be able to
overcome most anything. It's the slow drip, it's the chipping away.
(14:56):
It's like, wait, hold on, when I heard one, it
was one thing. Even if you made it racial, like
there was one he was black racist, Okay, right, then
you could try to make it a justification, like you
had one degenerate human being and whatever it is, your
preconceived notions of how that racial group and particularly handles things,
(15:20):
you can try to get some some closure on it
as a fan. But but Justin Tucker, him, But Justin Tucker,
if that was what you were trying to run with
and you felt good about it, and you wanted to
create this divide as if you were different, you were
better than what we are. Lo and behold, Justin Tucker's
(15:41):
not only the one that evened up the field, but
he is a high end high like he's you know,
he's he's a golfer. That's as high level white dude
as you get in the guy, clean cut looking dude,
put a Hall of Fame career. That's the one that
throws you for a loop, like wait, Justin Tucker, Yeah no,
(16:05):
I mean you know, how how did this happen?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Listen?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I got I gotta tell you in speaking for my
fellow white people, we were we were just I mean,
he gives us really a bad look because we thought,
to your point that man, at least we could say
that we at least that's our one up on the
whole situation.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And now everybody's doing it.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
You know, it's like, let's know, it's no longer the
racial barriers have been completely broken, and now we've got
one black. And actually, if you think about it, we've
been mixing robber crafts. Oh, the whites are up two
to one, are up to one, So there's the best
of seven. Somebody's got to step.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Their game up on your head and tang just letting
you know, I don't think we can compete with that.
When you throw Robert Kraft into the scenario, I think
that just pushes it out of reach for us to
be able to outrank you on what we're doing. Just
saying that's one that y'all got. Y'all got it in state.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
So we've already lost You've already lost it.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I mean, how many thanks, guys, how many how many
dudes will have to mess up for to equate the
mess up that roberts.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
It's man, it's I.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Mean you put there too, which I don't think there's
Is there a mugshot of Robert Kraft, probably not.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Of of Tucker, but maybe a crad I think he
was smoking a cigarette. Was he really? Oh?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Man, that'd be funny as hell, But I just you know,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Man.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
It Just again, on a more serious note, you can't
take these matters lightly. If you're the NFL, you have
to move in a way that shows that you're distancing
yourself from the person that that is being a degenerate.
Which that did not happen with Kraft, but you know,
that's another topic for another day.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
But but they did.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
They did give a harsh, stiff penalty to Tucker, which
probably will have effectively end his career. I would assume.
I don't know that he becomes a little radio active.
Think so, I mean, I think he's going to get
another shot in fact knocks. Oh wait, hold on, I mean,
well you did say he gets another shot, so we
know I did say it his career before he gets
(18:18):
another shot.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
All right, Three teams are out for sure on Justin Tucker. Obviously,
the Ravens, the Browns and the Patriots can't do it.
I mean they probably want to.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
The Browns definitely will not catch and the Patriots, the
Patriots cannot.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
I mean, you couldn't even bring up Robert Craft stuff,
you know, at the Tom Brady Roast without Tom Brady
getting a red ass about it. So like, that's so
clearly those teams are out. But look, if he's going
to be ready in November and there's a team out
there with kicking issues and we're talking about arguably the
greatest kicker of all time, at that point, I could
(18:58):
see them justifying this stuff with look, we understand, we
get it. But if you go back, these allegations were
from twenty sixteen, I mean, these were a long time ago.
He's a different person. He's a change man looking for an.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Opportunity a long time ago, and it just came out
and you just got caught for it and you got
punished for it. That hits differently with fan bases. It's like,
when you hear something being speculated about, you're tolerant of it.
When it actually comes out and it's being discussed in
the open, it's not as tolerable, and it's just a
(19:35):
horribly bad look the conduct when it goes into that
realm of being inappropriate sexually towards people. It's just never
going to land well. You put your hands on a woman,
it's not going to land well, you do things against
their will, it's just not going to land well.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
It's a full contact sport.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Dudes are big, they're strong, They're come in all different
shapes and sizes and racial backgrounds. There's just too much
connected to and too much at stake for the reputation.
You can't come across as Neanderthals or guys that just
can't handle themselves emotionally, can't control themselves emotionally and physically
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when it comes down to the opposite sex or the
same in twenty twenty five, it's just not a good look.
I wouldn't be surprised if we never see him play
on a team again. Who's going Why is it worth
taking a hit, risking the reputation of the team by
bringing him in based off of why he's out in the.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
First cause I think you're maybe not giving enough credence
to teams like to win games. And if he's won
a lot of games for Baltimore and so I'll ask
you this, do you believe it's more likely he's brought
back in season or in the off season, because I
think it's probably more likely that teams don't want to
deal with the distraction that late in the year, and
(21:10):
if you're struggling at the kicker position, maybe you make
a move, you know, to sign somebody else that's not
going to have as much blowback in the year when
you've already got turmoil at the position and it turns
in all sorts of draws.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I just don't know how there's no blowback.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I could I could see a team in the off
season being like, all right, we've got an off season
to figure out the messaging, deal with all the questionings,
deal with the whole questioning.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yeah, I know you're going to say it's because they
want to win, But why would you why would you
concern yourself with doing that. It's just to me, I
think the risk reward of bringing in a guy that
brings that type of radio activity to the to the
equation is that's not a touchable that's not a touchable commodity.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Depends on who you ask.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I mean, I don't disagree what you think that way,
and I'm sure teams will possibly kick that around, but
you're risking like again, you make a decision like that,
you're risking the fallout of what it could be and
how do you take that back?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
So, for remember Matt erizah matde Eriza, who is the
punter for Kansas City. Now, if you remember those allegations
that came out when he was at San Diego State,
I believe he was called the punt God, and all
of a sudden, these allegations came out I think the
off season after he was drafted, and nobody would really
(22:32):
go near him until Kansas City waited for everything to
calm down and they ended up bringing him back. He's
too big a name, Justin Tucker. Yeah, it's too big
a name. I could see it in the off season.
So that listen, we've we've called our shot. And this
is not me defending Justin Tucker. I don't want people
to get to get upset or to get offended.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I just don't get it.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I just don't get why you would take the chance
like that is that is such a big deal that
your team could possibly get get canceled, or the GM
could get canceled, or the head coach could get canceled.
And then now what if that turns into a thing.
I mean, look, they took Mike Vick back, you know
(23:16):
what I mean. And Mike Vic that's against all odds.
I mean, you want to talk about not wanting somebody
back in the league. The fans did not want him
back in the league.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I mean you remember the protests. It was bad.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Oh my god, it was very very I mean it
was bad, like you would have thought we were in
a different time period.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I actually think if that happened now, maybe he doesn't
get it out. He can't.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Yeah, it's too much the social media, the way things
are covered, the way it's circulated.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Remember Riley Cooper.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Yeah, I mean Riley Cooper dropping an ND bomb at
a concert.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
And I think he still maintained on the team. And
I think he got a contract extension. He did, he did,
he did. It's not a shot, but he didn't last
long now all that it's just you don't think you can.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, I just don't think you can get away with
with those things because if if you sign him, here's
the risk you run. If you sign him, what comes,
Like you're like, can you imagine how the Browns feel
after really getting involved with Deshaun Watson? Like you gotta
be sitting there like, I got over two hundred million
(24:31):
invested in this man. What's gonna happen next? You're just
waking up every morning, one of your morning checklists, questions
to yourself in the mirror while you're brushing your teeth
and shaving your neck and all that stuff. Is something
going to pop up on Deshaun?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Today?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Andrew Berry's calling around massage parlors in Cleveland going, did
you see him there?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Did you guys see him? Anybody looked like him? Security?
Did you? Did you guys?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Tell him every Brown's apparel? Okay, about this tall? Why
would you want to live?
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Like?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Why would you want to have to do all of
those things? I just don't see it being worth it
for any organization to take that chance.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah, well we will, we will, wait it might be done.
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People are starting to up their game a little bit.
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That's a really good one.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
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(26:29):
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Speaker 2 (26:36):
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Speaker 4 (26:37):
Always on the iHeartRadio app and you can find us
on hundreds of affiliates all across the country. We were
mentioning this that somebody was rewarded in the NFL and
they deserve to be. And that's somebody was the head
coach and GM for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who yesterday
the Buccaneers announced multi year extensions for Todd Bowls and
(26:59):
Jason Light This is, in my opinion, totally deserved, especially
Jason Light who. Yeah, they won a Super Bowl with
Tom Brady, But it is interesting how the Patriots have
completely unraveled.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yes since Tom Brady last yes they have. The Buccaneers
have not only stayed afloat, but surprisingly like they're the
of all teams in the NFL, only five teams have
won more games than the Buccaneers have since COVID since
twenty two.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
They're surprisingly Yeah, Baker Mayfield era competitive, just consistent bowls competitive,
Top Bowls era competitive competitive. I mean you can anticipate
who would you expect to win that division?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
The Bucks? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeah, So, I mean you can make the argument that
it could be Atlanta. We said that last year they
boned us. Now who's the who's the next one. Who's
the next one up? It ain't gonna be Carolina? Oh,
come on, it ain't gonna be Carolina. Who else is
in there? Who else you got? Carolina, Carolina, New Orleans Saints.
(28:16):
It ain't gonna be the Saints. It ain't gonna be Carolina,
And it ain't gonna be the other team that Falcons.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
It ain't. It's just not.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
So partially you could blame it due to the level
of achievement of the other teams in the division, But
make no mistake about it. You take a Baker Mayfield
in a situation where it's like he doesn't get paid
the money he wants, and then they paid Deshaun Watson
more than the money he wanted, and and now you've
(28:47):
stabilized a franchise at the quarterbacks position with Baker Mayfield
playing at a very high level, and the other team
has five quarterbacks on their roster to figure out who's
going to be the number one quarterback. So justin that alone,
like bringing him in believing that he can be that
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guy that leads the way for your Tampa Bay Bucks
team was a big decision because he was somebody else's
trash turned out to be their treasure.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
And not only was it somebody else's trash, it was
somebody else's trash that was brought in to replace the
greatest of all time, and we've seen what's happened in
New England when they've tried to do that. And yet
you look at Tampa and they've just been consistent. And look,
it's not like Todd Bowles is lighting it up as
head coach when it comes to a win loss record.
I think he's three games over five hundred. But there
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is something to be said for that consistency. And there's
also something to be said for the fact that they
do it home grown. And this was a stat that
was out yesterday that the Bucks lead the NFL in
total snaps and starts by homegrown players drafted in rounds
one through five since twenty fourteen. So that's not like
a you know, a a sample size. For over a decade,
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no team has had more draft picks play a significant
amount of time for them than the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
have between rounds one and five during that time, and that,
I mean, that is something to be said. And they've
had results based on the wins and the success that
they've got, so listen, i think they've deserved it. But
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it's been under the radar almost because look, Chris Godwin
had a better offer on the table, but decided I
want to come back and I want to be a
part of this, and I want to continue to be
a part of this. And this is a guy coming
off an injury. They've found a way to draft great
reward their own players, and they've built a culture there
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to where players want to be there. And Baker Mayfield
has worked wonders there, completely revitalized his career, one of
the more underrated players in the NFL, underrated quarterbacks in
the NFL. And you look at jamp and go, maybe
they're not the super Bowl elite team, but there is
something to be in pretty consistent and they've been one
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of the more consistent teams in the NFL for years now.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Yeah, and they just got bigger on the interior line,
you know, so now they got some real size up front.
They've done a really really solid job of dealing with
the departures that they've had and like you said, homegrown,
like they've built through the draft. It's like it's a
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very very sneaky ascent, is what I would say. They
seem to be a team that is inching closer and
closer to being back to that elite status. They seem
to be a team that's going in the right direction.
That's the reward of extensions to the head coach and
the GM. I just think this will be an interesting
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year to see how that plays out, because I think
now we've gotten enough of us sample size of Baker
Mayfield as the quarterback of this team to say, Okay,
now it's time. If Baker Mayfield is truly that that
franchise guy, now is that time to take that level
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of accomplishment to another level, especially knowing that the level
of competition isn't necessarily very high. I mean, you're talking
about a team that Michael Pennix is your starter, you
got you got.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Shock? Is he going to be the starter?
Speaker 3 (32:32):
And and and maybe Okay, so we don't really know
who's going to be the starter in New Orleans and
is it going to be Bryce Young or who is it?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Who's it going to be in Carolina.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Bucks are by far and away the most stable organization
in that division, so it's not even close.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
So again, I think this is one of those non
excuse years that the Bucks are going to be facing.
They could be the their own victims of success. The
level of success that they've been able to have because
you're able to win in the regular season, make it
to the playoffs, make it to the postseason.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
But how does that go.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
I think that's going to be what they're judged on
this upcoming season is to have a solid expected solid
regular season, get into the playoffs, and how do you
do in the playoffs. If it's an early departure, I
think it's a loss of a season. And you can't
continue to look at the coaching staff and the quarterback
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or even the GM and give credit due to saying
that this is a very well built team.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I mean, if we're going to be fair, they probably
should have beat Washington in that playoff game. There was
a miscue by the Bucks. There was I think a
field goal that went off the upright and bounced around
that you know, get the best football.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I know.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
I'm just saying they're not that far away. We're not
far off from being a team to really have to
deal with and contend with.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
They just can't go oh backwards though. That's the thing,
and that's I think that's the major point here is, yes,
they have been very close to like taking that next
step to the next level. And again that's why you
reward the people with the type of contracts extensions that
that you did. But going into this season, can they
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take a definitive step forward from where they are right
now currently knowing that it's not the most competitive division
that you're going to have to compete in, so they're
going to have to show that they can be competitive
outside of their division and win those games and show
that they are to superior your team within their division
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when they're playing those games.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Now, it is, uh, it's game show time, all right,
So do we have any special game show music here?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Because of what we did?
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Mention this that since twenty twenty, since COVID when the
Bucks won the Super Bowl, they have the sixth most
wins in the NFL during that stretch of time, which
may be a surprise to some people that the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers have the sixth most wins.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
In the league over the last five years.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
So the question I have for you, LeVar Arrington, or
some people call you Levarrington, who are the five teams
ahead of the Bucks in most wins in the NFL
since twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Most wins since twenty twenty. The Kansas City Chiefs that
is correct. The Baltimore Ravens, that is correct. Buffalo Bills
that is also correct.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
How many is that? Three? Three? We got two left
wins wins wins.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
The Steelers just below the Buccaneers, okay, twenty twenty, twenty twenty,
the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
No, no, not the Lions. We're getting cold. I mean,
well we'll think about, you know, twenty twenty. Who's who's
the forty no, no, and even the forty nine ers.
Who's the benchmark of the NFL? Right now?
Speaker 3 (36:16):
If you have to say that's that's the organization, that's Oh,
I gotta throw Philly in there. Philly's the But I
would have said the benchmark is Kansas City. Yeah, and
Kansas City's on that lower city Kansas City. So there's
there's one more.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
One team left and this might also be a little surprising,
but one team left. And if you noticed, how.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Is it Cincinnati?
Speaker 7 (36:39):
Now?
Speaker 4 (36:39):
You see you see your executive PU the Green Bay Packers.
So the Green Bay Packers on the list. So the Chiefs,
the Bills, the Packers, the Ravens, the Eagles, and then
the Bucks. Most wins I got twenty first three. I'm
sure the top three we didn't get up with the
top three. So outside of the three Packers were they
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they don't count. Damn that's crazy though. But yeah, I
don't think a lot of people consider Tampa Bay to
be that consistent of an organization. And I've always said this, Look,
there's no guarantees that you're going to win a Super Bowl.
As we talked about, you know, the Bucks probably should
have won that game against Washington and the playoffs last year,
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but some things go get a bounce here, a missque here,
and that's just the playoffs. That's how it works, and
you know the rest is history. I will take my
team being consistent, and I'll take my team being what
to expect every year as opposed to this up and
down roller coaster, not quite sure, disappointment here, disappointment there.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I think that's got to be one of the hardest
when that talking about all these teams like the Chiefs,
the Bills, the Packers, the Ravens, the Eagles, the Bucks,
all pretty consistent. Yeah, you don't have a lot of
letdown to me, right, what's the boom zoom deal? Like,
who's the boom and bust team?
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Well, because if you look at there's teams every year,
and Albert Brier had the article, you know, worse to
first teams and then the following year, you're not quite
sure what to get. You're not quite sure what you're
gonna have in each franchise or each organization. And I
look at teams like, yeah, maybe the Packers won't win
a Super Bowl, but at least you know they're going
to be competitive. And if I'm a fan, if I'm
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somebody rooting for that franchise, just give me a chance, like,
give me, give me a chance that we get a
couple of bounces or a couple of breaks in the
postseason and next thing, you know, maybe we can win
big games late. And you saw that look in Cincinnati.
I always defended the Andy Dalton there in Cincinnati because
that team was going to the playoffs every year. They
just weren't winning any games, but at least they were
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in the discussion. At least, you know, it's a crapshoot
at that point. Get us into the postseason and maybe
we'll get a couple of things to go our way.
And it feels like Tampa's one of those teams to
where listen, man, get them in the postseason. At least
you know they're going to win some games, stay competitive.
You're not going to see the bottom fall out on them.
And it's an organization. You could probably argue the bottom
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could have fallen out on them because Bruce arians left,
Tom Brady left, and it didn't. They were able to stabilize,
figure it out, and now they've got one of the
better quarterbacks in the conference that somebody else didn't want.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
That's a great point.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
So and he is a valued employee, and clearly we
were seeing that the head coach is a valued employee,
and as well as the GM. I think you can
only hope for seeing them take a step forward. And
I just just to add to your points because I
thought that's a good perspective, is you're looking at a
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league that it's just very hard to prognosticate what's going
to happen. I think that that's what makes the league
so intriguing. Why you can sit there and say, all right,
there's teams that you can count on being good. Can
you count on the fact that they're going to be
the team that goes all the way or what type
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of a year they're going to have. If you would
have said that when Dmico Ryans took over the Houston Texans,
that they would they would get as good as they did,
as quickly as they did. I don't know how many
people would have said, I put my money on now
state claim that this is what's going to happen with
the Houston Texans, and nonetheless they improved because they were
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one and done on coaches two years in a rouge.
I mean, look at the Washington Commanders, same exact thing.
You know, you're looking at a team that was suffering, struggling,
had fallen into mediocrity living there, and then boom, you
bring in new ownership, you bring in a new head coach,
you bring in Jaydon Daniels, and now you have a
team that's one game away from the Super Bowl, right
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and arguably could have won the game against the eventual
Super Bowl champs.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
In that also kind of what makes the Steelers' decision
on Mike Tomlin that much for difficult, because that's exhibit
A of the bottom never falling out. Yeah, always in contention,
always in consideration, and they haven't won a playoff game,
you know, their last five six times in the postseason,
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but never a losing record, and sort of bordering on
the brink of being a team that could make some
noise in the postseason, and now the Steelers are looking
at it going, yeah, that's been the case for a
long time. But it may seem like an easy caller,
an easy decision to just say, well, we've got super
Bowl aspirations here, like our mark is a super Bowl.
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If you're not winning a super Bowl, okay, that's fine.
But as we've seen, crazy stuff happens when you get
to a super Bowl. That Super Bowl against Green Bay,
if you go back and watch it, I think it
was Rashard Mendenhall had a fumble there that completely kind
of changed what that game could have looked like. There's
just there's a bouncers, a break that goes here. I
just think if you can get to the postseason and
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throw your name in that you got a shot in
a one game scenario or situation, just like what Washington
did to Detroit last year in the postseason. Like and
so the Bucks are one of those teams at least,
at the very least always give themselves a shot.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Well, and then you look at the just just take
a step the point a little bit more forward with
with the Steelers. You're doing that in the AFC North. Yeah,
you know what I mean. It's not like you're doing
it in the NFC South. You're doing it in the
AFC North when you are winning and you are making
the playoffs in the AFC North.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
With unstable quarterback play.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
So you got to take that into consideration because if
you were to disrupt that and take a chance on
bringing in a new coach, what does that look like?
Is there a slide and can you recover? This franchise
is a storied franchise. It has had a ton of
success for a very very I mean since they've been around.
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I mean since they turned it around when the steel
curtain took over and they drafted all those guys. I'm
curious when you look at teams that have that good
season but can't seem to return back to that type
of form, what that looks like. So when you do
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see a level of consistency in terms of what the
accomplishments are during the course of the year, do you
temper your expectations to say, I'm okay, if we have
a winning season, everything else is a bonus. Most fans
would say no. And that's where that's where it gets
kind of confusing and maybe a little sticky is most
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fans would say, that's just not enough for me to
be happy with our season.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
I mean, I've got a good example for you. The
Bears fired Lovey Smith after he went ten and six.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
What's that look like? Since? What does that look like?
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Since it just I mean, people want to People were
ready to fire the head coach of the Ohio State
Buckeyes Michigan. They wanted to fire him, I mean, and
James Franklin, Like, I don't get it, man. They wanted
to fire Franklin after losing his first game of.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
I've twenty years before.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
I remember doing a show with Bucky Brooks and we
were talking about there was this anonymous pole that came out.
I think it was CBS Sports. It might have been
Prisco who was part of it. Who knows, But there
was this anonymous pole that came out on CBS Sports
where they ranked the most overrated coaches in college football
and James Franklin was like three or four on the list,
and the knock on him was, well, all he does
is recruit? Okay, what about now? Like I know, yeah,
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there's not a national title. That's come along with it.
But you mean to tell me you think you're better
off moving off of that, like moving away from that,
like you would be better off.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
To I just Ryan Day ended up winning it all
and some would argue and debate. They still wonder if
they should let this man go because he didn't beat
Michigan in the horseshoe. It's preposterous to think that some
of the fans base and judge what it is that
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they think is the criteria of success versus failure as
a coach, So you can't base how you reward your
coaching staff or your players off of what fans think,
because sometimes it's just not realistic.
Speaker 6 (45:32):
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Speaker 4 (45:42):
There was a discussion that was at this week on
the latest edition of Nightcap, Oh Yeah or James Harrison,
former Pittsburgh Steeler Great, was talking with your guy, TJ.
Houschman's Adam Yeah, and he was having a discussion about
Mike Tomlin, what makes Mike Tomlin great and also what
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may be one of the flaws is with old coach
Tomlin there in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
With Mike, the.
Speaker 7 (46:13):
Thing I guess that I liked about him he is
a player's coach, and the thing that I disliked about
him is he is a player's coach to a point
of sometimes it can just for up, you know what
I'm saying, because it goes maybe a little too far
with allowing certain things, you know what I'm saying with
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certain players, and then it becomes an issue, you know,
with that player. So especially like towards the end of
my career, you know, the biggest thing was, you know,
ask a tough question, you get a tough answer. Well,
I was asking tough questions and I wasn't getting the answer,
you know, I was you know, I was getting told
things that weren't the answer that was the true answer.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
And so that was love with cash, you know it
when they wanted to just say just I wish he
would have said just what he wanted to say.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
Like that.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
You know that. You know, I don't know what it is, but.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
When you're when you use that many crutches and what
it is that you're saying, he doesn't want to say
something that he can't, can't take back.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
And and I do believe he's.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Welcomed into you know, the Stellers facility, Stiller's training camps,
stuff like that. You'll see him around. I know James Harrison,
and James is a really good dude. One thing about
James he shoots from the hip too, Like that's why
he's you know, I fool with him so much is
I'm one of those guys I'm gonna shoot from the hip.
I like being around dudes that shoot from the hip.
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I don't like passive, aggressive dudes. I don't like dudes
that that min's words or or don't want to just
say what they feel. I don't like dudes that talk
behind people's backs and won't say it to their face
or a woman to that point, Like whatever it is
I got to say, I could say it to you
in your face, same thing I say if you're not there.
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So in this situation, in this SoundBite, he isn't saying
exactly what he's feeling. He's playing it safe, and it
leaves me wanting to understand more because I have heard things.
I know a few people that had played for coach
Tomlin and had played in Pittsburgh. I know people who
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have understood the culture of what Pittsburgh, how it works,
and why it's thrived for so long, and why coaches
have been able to be in the seat for so
long throughout the years. I understand it because I grew
up learning it from the older guys, from Jerome Bettis,
from from Greg Lloyd. Once I got an opportunity to
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be around these guys DERMANI Dawson, Mike Mike White, I
got an opert excuse me, the white White shouts out
to Mike White, that's my guy. I got an opportunity
to hear it firsthand what the culture of football was
and ultimately what the culture of the Pittsburgh Steelers was
growing up. And then as a guy that played in
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the league and you had peers like I got really
close with Joey Porter, a senior, I got close with
Jason Gilden and like I said, you know, you got
really cool with James Harrison. And obviously one of my
closest friends that I consider one of my best friends
is Plexico Bursts. I know so many people that are
connected to the organization, and I've heard so many different things.
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I'm not going to ever be the one that comes
out and says some of the things that I heard,
because it's not my place to do it. I just
wish that whoever, you know, in that moment, I wish
James would have just said what he felt, because I'm
hearing some of the things that are being discussed or
are talked about when the Steelers are brought up, and
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he will alluding to it, but he didn't really step
into it.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
I think what he's getting at is Mike Tomlins, Like
Mike Tomlin can keep a secret. And we've seen the
example be Antonio Brown, George Pickens to where after they leave,
you go, oh wow, all that.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Was going on, but you didn't really hear much of that.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
And I've always maintained maybe that's one of the appeals
that Rogers has because it doesn't feel like there's a
lot of loose lips in Pittsburgh. It doesn't feel like
you've got a lot of stuff that will leak out.
But when it does, they usually follow suit by moving away.
Like we heard rumblings about Antonio Brown, they moved off
of him. We heard rumblings about George Pickens, they moved
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off of him. Hell, we heard rumblings about Kenny Pickett
that he could have dressed up for a game in
Seattle opted not to. They said, oh, no, listen, that's
not true, that's not accurate. Mark Madden reported on that
everybody said, oh, you don't know what you're talking about. Now,
My sources are pretty credible on this, and what do
they do. I think that very offseason moved off of
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Kenny Pickett. I just I think that Tomlin keeps everything
a secret, doesn't want stuff to come out, doesn't want
it to leak to the media, and ultimately the way
they act afterwards tells you everything you need to know
about how that player really was in that locker room.
But I think to James Harrison's point, he's probably thinking, man,
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that stuff should be squashed way sooner than it is.
And maybe Tomlin, because he's about winning games and willing
to deal with personalities and whatnot, maybe he just lets
that stuff go on a little bit too far for
some of the other players in the locker room are like, dude,
are you going to step up and do anything about
this other than after it reaches a certain point, and
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his threshold might be higher than other people's, then you
decide to move off of This certainly.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
Was put on the front street with the whole thing
playing out between Ben Roethlisberger and Antonio Brown. It was
put on front and it was it was a topic
of conversation. How do you handle it, Who's right, who's wrong?
Who do you get rid of? Who do you keep?
Speaker 2 (52:13):
So this has happened before, I guess I'll touch on it. No,
I'm not gonna do. It's just again, it's just not
I know.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
I've heard Ben Roethlisberger bring up the fact how he
feels about how coach Tomlin has handled things as the
leader of the team and how that plays into the
culture of the Pittsburgh Steelers. I've heard that, I'll say
loosely or gently. I've heard that the culture has slowly deteriorated.
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The Steeler the air quotes the Steeler culture, and I
won't go any deeper than that. The Steeler culture has
been slowly eroding under his tenure. That's where I'll leave it.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
That he's willing to deal with more than maybe he
would have in previous years because they need all the
help they can get.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
Yeah, but here's my thing, right, coaches always have to
deal with more, they always have to deal with things
and people. The general republic will never know all that
they have to deal with in order to hold a
team together. I don't I don't find there to be
anything brilliant or or really just out of the at
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the normal for that, like that's something that coaches have
to do.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
I think.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
I think for me and how I've been looking at
just lately, how things have gone been going with the
Steelers is more of the culture of the locker room
and and how that plays out the the personalities that
are in the locker room, how do they govern and
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and have handle affairs in the locker room. Who's empowered
to handle those things?
Speaker 2 (54:05):
You got?
Speaker 3 (54:05):
I'm sure James Deebo was an enforcer to the locker room.
And I think the reason why that team was so
good back in the earlier days when Tomlin took over
was because of the personalities that you had in that
locker room. And you would say the same would exist
for Bill Cower, and the same existed for Chuck Knowle.
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And you know when you had those type of personalities
like a male blunt and the white white and me
and Joe Green and Jack both the Jacks Lambert and
ham You have a mentality and a standard and an
expectation that became the identity of that team, and that
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carried on through the generations of players and coaches. You
see certain players play for the Pittsburgh Steelers. You know
what type of player you're getting. That's been the outside
linebackers position. It's been the defensive tackles position. It's been
the inside linebackers position. Oh, it's been the safety's position. Hey,
by the way, it's been the cornerback's position. Oh, you
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think I'm joking. From Brinson Buckner to Casey Hampton, same
type of dudes, different eras of time, Ray Seals, you know.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
Aaron Aaron? Uh, not Aaron? What's my man? Justin? H
is it Justin? And a big big Keyesel Keesel, Brett Keesel.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
You got all these bad mother efforts on the defensive
side of the ball from from me and Joe Green
the original steel curtain to where they are, you know
where they had gotten to. Right then you're talking about
guys like Kevin Green and Jason Gilden and and and
Earl Holmes and ken Drel Bell. People don't even remember
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Kendrel Bell, but that mentality of what the heartbeat of
a team would be Rod Woodson and Cornell Lake and
you know, Dwayne Woodruff and all those guys. Then you
look on the other side of the ball and they
have always produced a receiver from Lewis Lips, Louis Lips
to to you know, from you know Lynn Swan Swaneon
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and John stalwartancyn Yancy Thigpenn and Charles Johnson and you
know just Andre Hastings and then you move into the
more recent you know with Plexico Burrs and Heinz Ward.
You have always had a certain mentality and a certain
demeanor connected even at the running backs position when it
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was Tim Worley and it was you know, it was
Warren Williams, and it was Barry Foster, and you know,
then it comes in you have John l and then
you have you know, Jerome Bettis, and you always had
this distinct personality connected to each position of that team.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
And it plays out in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (57:08):
They said Rod Woodson and Greg Lloyd were the enforcers
of the locker room. I think the biggest issue here,
and I think what James Harrison is touching on and
alluding to, is that because of the way things are handled,
those tough.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
Conversations that he's talking about. Chuckno had that with his guys.
Bill Cower had that with his guys, and there was.
Speaker 3 (57:34):
An authoritative figure and there was a subordinate in all
of these situations. But those subordinates ultimately respected the fact
that they had those conversations and they were going back
in the locker room and they were having their way
in terms of the tough conversations they're having within the
locker room culture. I think there's a disconnect between this
head coach at this point, even though they love him
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and even though he is a player's coach. I think
there's a disconnect because those topics aren't met head on,
and it doesn't establish the authoritative figure, and it doesn't
establish the subordinates, but the subordinates that go in as
the authoritative figures in the locker room. And it's a
deteriorating of a culture where you had players that were
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so strong and what it was that they were doing
and it were such a representative of the coach that
they were able to hold that locker room and check
and hold them accountable and create the standard that has
gone from generation A generation of each Pittsburgh Steeler team.
And you could sit here and say, I don't know
jack as about it. I'm only a fan. I'm only
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a fan. I do not know it from the inside,
but I do. Again, I will say this, I learned
it enough. It influenced me as a player growing up.
I learned it enough from the players that meantward me
that were Pittsburgh Steelers, and I learned it enough from
my friends once I became an adult what it looked like.
Because the Steelers have always been a team of interest
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to me, and I've always been a fan of Mike Tomlin.
I know it seems like maybe as of late, I
come across as like I'm a detractor of Mike Tomlin
as the coach. I think he is a fine person.
I think he is a fine coach. I think he
is a brilliant mind. I think he has done an
amazing job as the leader and the coach of this team.
But I do wonder if if some of the things
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that I hear, like the quote you heard or the
sound you heard from James Harrison, has he been too
much of a player's coach where you have compromised what
that standard and that expectation of being a Pittsburgh Steeler represents.
Speaker 4 (59:38):
Can't be the cool dad. You gotta be the discipline guy.
You gotta be the disciplinarian. Sometimes being the cool dad
and the popular dad ain't ain't the way to go,
And uh, yeah it's not. But I mean, let's look
on the bright side. At least they're not the pirates,
so you know, there is that or to Pittsburgh spirits. Yeah,
I mean, they're not even around anymore.
Speaker 2 (59:59):
And let's be honest here, we're gonna you know, the
Penguins aren't all that all the way, and they got
issues too, but
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Labar Aarings and Rating Wind and Jonas Knox
on five four Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Fucking Drack, We're back and we're bad.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Sucking blood in the dark. Can't see me. I'm camouflage,
but Drack is flying. Yeah, waits things want.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
To sucking blood out your neck? Yeah, sucking blood.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
You known't what was stella? I was telling Petros yesterday
we were talking about Little League, and I'm like, man,
I'll bet my kids day night split are gonna be
wild because he'll probably just refuse to play during.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
The day, but at night he is a winner.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Rank I'll tread fatten six sixty with like seventy five
home runs. But during the day nowhere to be found
hanging upside down on the dugoutang waiting for the sun
to go down.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Tang.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Well, that sun can be a doozy, sure kid. UV
was up there yesterday too, like like seven or eight yesterday.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio, another edition of Black and Drag.
Here on a football Friday, It'll be LeVar, Arrington, jon
and Here taking you all the way up until nine
am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. You can listen to
this show as always on the iHeartRadio app and on
hundreds of affiliates all across the country.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
What up sticks? What man? So you're watching some horse racing?
Apparently that's crazy, bro.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I never thought Chris Jones would be outdone, but this
one clearly puts Chris Jones in an easy second, easy second,
and it's an uncomfortable first.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I'll tell you that. You just see the one I
sent it to you too. Leeve you see the.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
One that that I sent you. It's it's uh, let's
just say. You don't really pay attention to how obvious
it is when you're watching horse racing, but when you
watch regular racing like sprinters racing, and that happens, it's noticeable.
Oh my, very uncomfortable. So I didn't make it all
(02:53):
the way through. I didn't make it to the finish line,
I'll tell you that. But it was I heard it
was a valiant effort though. Yeah know he went to
hit and still won the race even though he had
a uniform malfunction.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Yeah, I believe the name is Chris Robinson, US track
star who did win a race, and he won a race.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I mean he should have won a race. He ran
a three legs. I mean, he definitely has horse power.
He should run the race. What do you expect. Guy's
got a leg up on the comfortence, the leg up
and a foot I mean that's what he should do.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Sorry for having, you know, higher expectations for certain people
here on this show, Paul Jeeves.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
It just makes you wan pu.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
It just makes you wonder. How do cats wear anything
but like onesies to run? You can't wear them blue
shorts when you're sprinting, man, when you've right now now,
I just look at it differently. Now for all these years,
you know, he's just like you never paid it really
any mind, but that Wille forced you to pay attention
(04:01):
to the fact, like you got to pay attention to
what you're wearing when you're round them.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
This is what I wonder because I know that racer,
like sprinters, swimmers, they're looking for an edge anyway they
can get it. And I've always I've always wondered about that,
Like swimmers will shave their armpits, and they'll shave their bodies.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, and their faces and everything.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
You mean, a little armpit hair, is going to be
the difference between you and in a gold or a bronze,
probably more mental, you know what I mean. Like, it's
all I know is I'm not a gazer. That's not
something that I've ever been into. Not not my deal,
not for s's and giggles, not for anything. For anything,
(04:42):
I'm not a gazer.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
But that video that popped up first of all, just
like the Chris Jones joint, it's just kinda it's like
seeing roadkill. You see that that smashed up bird or
or squirrel on the side of the road, and it's
close to you, and you can look at it and
you can see it, and then you look and you see.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
They got me. Hiss a b that's cold blood. Just
for that's cold blooded.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Just just a little friendly reminder for people that are
doing the AI grock images of black and drag. LeVar
is an actual, living, breathing black band with credentials, and
it's very easy to find pictures of him on the internet.
(05:34):
You can make me any kind of Dracula you want.
That's fine. Levar's known. Okay, So, like these people are
putting up these grock images of random black guys in
white beaters.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I love it personally, And I said, by the way, yeah,
white white beater. Just to be clear, gold chains like
this cold bluddy, I look like a yes anyway.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I just that that that footage that popped up, it's
it's uh, it's just a reminder that the pressures and
the things that as you mentioned, to compete at the
highest of levels to try to win, and the things
that we don't generally think about that could possibly happen,
and then his ability his resilience to be able to tuck,
(06:24):
like you know, throttle down maybe just a little bit tuck,
go back to trying to get to top end speed.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I believe they were hurdling too, weren't they. It was
a hurdles race.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
And I think he tumbled at the end intentional, well,
I mean because at that point he's like, you know
it would be intentionally.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I mean clearly, if something like.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
That gets the moving around with no no type of
you know it being you know, kind of secured, it's
going to throw you off off balance.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah. The momentum of them.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Like like when you're when dudes are running, like sometimes
dudes be hitting off of each leg like it'd be
like leg leg leg leg, lag leg and then as
they're speeding up is like leg leg leg leg leg leg.
I feel horrible sadness. But always thought to myself, how
can you be fast if you got to carry all that?
(07:18):
Like you said, you get rid of the hair on
your arms and stuff like that. Whatever, How are you
that fast if you have to carry something like that?
Literally the tail.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Wagging the dog, Yeah yeah, literally yeah and still one
and still one, and it tumbled the end. It was uncomfortable, though, man,
but it was funny as hell. How can it be
uncomfortable and funny all at the same time? It was though, well, listen,
I do know this. It's time we transition to something
(07:50):
that that's gonna be a little bit more. He was
transitioning more of a mature conversation. Okay, a mature discussion, right,
Justin Tucker? Okay, these that's not mature at all. Former
Ravens kicker Justin Tucker was suspended for the first ten
weeks of the regular season after the NFL found he
violated the league's personal conduct policy. Now, this goes back
(08:14):
to his issues and the allegations that he was inappropriate
at multiple massage parlors in and around the Baltimore area
from I believe twenty twelve to twenty sixteen. No, that
was not him after a game winner, but justin Tucker.
They did the investigation, They looked into it, and they
(08:37):
tried to see, all right, so is there something to
these stories, something to these reports. And you talk to
certain people in Baltimore and they're like, yeah, this has
been rumblings about this stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
For years and years and years that there was.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Allegations and people like whispering about and what brought this on?
And there was Jerry Coleman, who covers the Ravens and
Baltimore Sports, does a phenomenal job. Listener to the program,
He's fantastic. Jerry pointed out that what brought the conversations
up was not because people thinking, well, you know, did
(09:13):
he know these were allegations were coming out and that's
why he struggled last year. No, what brought the topic
up was people wondering, God, why is he struggling? Maybe
he should go back to his old ways. Oh wow,
And that's what sparked up all of the details and
the allegations and the revelations and the rumors started again,
and that's why this became a story. So nonetheless, he
(09:35):
gets suspended for the first ten games of the season.
If he were to sign with the team, he could
attend training camp and play in preseason games before the
suspension starts August twenty sixth. He's eligible for reinstatement November eleventh.
The NFL says they clearly.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Found something that they didn't like in looking through the
information about him, and I don't, you know, it doesn't
really mention anything about legal action. I don't think at
this point, I don't think so, yeah, I don't. I
don't think I saw that in anything that i've I've
looked up into the scenario. But if the NFL suspended
(10:15):
that man for such a substantial amount of time, like
you even look at the Deshaun Watsons one game Watson
one game less, and and while Watson settled and maintains
his innocence, if if this was a matter of him
getting shook down, I just don't think the NFL is
(10:36):
going to make it an example of or or create
a standard where its employees can be extorted, because that's
what that would be.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
As extortion is what it is.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
You're dictating what the working health of of that that
employee is by making these these claims, especially obviously if
they were to consider it to be false claims. So
the NFL can't just be loosely throwing out ten game,
you know, multiple of games of suspension if they don't
(11:13):
feel like there's something warranted to issue out because that
is a very very stiff penalty. That's half the season.
More so, it's more than half, but you know what
I'm saying, it's half of the season gone, and so
to me, you don't want to put the league in
(11:34):
a situation where any type of dealings can easily be
leveraged by those who wish to gain from it. All
you gotta do, say this happened, Boom, the NFL has
to act. You gotta believe some type of civil suits
are coming now that you got a suspension from the league.
(11:56):
Maybe that that's a good enough case for or a
buzzby or you know another lawyer out there to do
a lawsuit against a collection of lawsuits against Tucker to
get a settlement. It happened with Deshaun Watson. Don't know
how much they got out of it, but you gotta
(12:17):
believe it's in the seven figures. You gotta believe it's
in the seventh figures somewhere. So yeah, So to me,
you don't want, if I'm the NFL, you don't want
to just take these these matters lightly, not only from
the standpoint of if it really happened, but imagine if
it didn't happen. Now you gotta you like that fine
(12:41):
tooth comb has got to be so handled so well,
with so much care, because you are in a situation
where the decisions that you make as a governing body
are ultimately going to dictate how things have to be
handled in the future based upon what these guys are
doing in their spare time and how it's being interpreted
(13:05):
by the people who they're spending this time with.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
So Tucker's representative released the following statement after the NFL
decision to is suspend him for the first ten weeks
of the season. Quote, we are disappointed with the NFL's decision.
Justin has always strived to carry himself in a way
that would make his family and community proud. He stands
by his previous statements. In order to put this difficult
episode behind him and get back on the field as
soon as possible, We've advised Justin to accept this resolution and.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Close this menage. Accept the resolution. We just code for hey,
we got no shot. Here be camp, we got no shot.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
I mean, we can continue to try and you know,
deny this and all that, but there's got to be
some decent amount of evidence that would suggest that these
allegations have some validity to.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Them, which now leads to you better give an agreement
to any of these people that have you know, made
the claims against you, and get that in signed, and
get an agreement signed so you can put it to
bid and move on from it, so there's no further embarrassment.
There's no further coverage because all it does is continue
(14:11):
to damage his brand. But it's collateral damage as well,
because it damages the National Football League's brand as well.
Guilty by association and the league has to know that,
and they have to understand that these are very delicate situations,
and it's taking place in a time where the delicacy
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of handling things of this nature are at a high premium.
You cannot miss and mess around with these types of scenarios.
And while I say the NFL is big enough as
a brand and as a commodity to be able to
overcome most anything. It's the slow drip, it's the chipping away.
(14:56):
It's like, wait, hold on, when I heard one, it
was one thing. Even if you made it racial, like
there was one he was black racist, Okay, right, then
you could try to make it a justification, like you
had one degenerate human being and whatever it is, your
preconceived notions of how that racial group and particularly handles things,
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you can try to get some some closure on it
as a fan. But but Justin Tucker, him, But Justin Tucker,
if that was what you were trying to run with
and you felt good about it, and you wanted to
create this divide as if you were different, you were
better than what we are. Lo and behold, Justin Tucker's
(15:41):
not only the one that evened up the field, but
he is a high end high like he's you know,
he's he's a golfer. That's as high level white dude
as you get in the guy, clean cut looking dude,
put a Hall of Fame career. That's the one that
throws you for a loop, like wait, Justin Tucker, Yeah no,
(16:05):
I mean you know, how how did this happen?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Listen?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I got I gotta tell you in speaking for my
fellow white people, we were we were just I mean,
he gives us really a bad look because we thought,
to your point that man, at least we could say
that we at least that's our one up on the
whole situation.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And now everybody's doing it.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
You know, it's like, let's know, it's no longer the
racial barriers have been completely broken, and now we've got
one black. And actually, if you think about it, we've
been mixing robber crafts. Oh, the whites are up two
to one, are up to one, So there's the best
of seven. Somebody's got to step.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Their game up on your head and tang just letting
you know, I don't think we can compete with that.
When you throw Robert Kraft into the scenario, I think
that just pushes it out of reach for us to
be able to outrank you on what we're doing. Just
saying that's one that y'all got. Y'all got it in state.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
So we've already lost You've already lost it.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I mean, how many thanks, guys, how many how many
dudes will have to mess up for to equate the
mess up that roberts.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
It's man, it's I.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Mean you put there too, which I don't think there's
Is there a mugshot of Robert Kraft, probably not.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Of of Tucker, but maybe a crad I think he
was smoking a cigarette. Was he really? Oh?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Man, that'd be funny as hell, But I just you know,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Man.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
It Just again, on a more serious note, you can't
take these matters lightly. If you're the NFL, you have
to move in a way that shows that you're distancing
yourself from the person that that is being a degenerate.
Which that did not happen with Kraft, but you know,
that's another topic for another day.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
But but they did.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
They did give a harsh, stiff penalty to Tucker, which
probably will have effectively end his career. I would assume.
I don't know that he becomes a little radio active.
Think so, I mean, I think he's going to get
another shot in fact knocks. Oh wait, hold on, I mean,
well you did say he gets another shot, so we
know I did say it his career before he gets
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another shot.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
All right, Three teams are out for sure on Justin Tucker. Obviously,
the Ravens, the Browns and the Patriots can't do it.
I mean they probably want to.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
The Browns definitely will not catch and the Patriots, the
Patriots cannot.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
I mean, you couldn't even bring up Robert Craft stuff,
you know, at the Tom Brady Roast without Tom Brady
getting a red ass about it. So like, that's so
clearly those teams are out. But look, if he's going
to be ready in November and there's a team out
there with kicking issues and we're talking about arguably the
greatest kicker of all time, at that point, I could
(18:58):
see them justifying this stuff with look, we understand, we
get it. But if you go back, these allegations were
from twenty sixteen, I mean, these were a long time ago.
He's a different person. He's a change man looking for an.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Opportunity a long time ago, and it just came out
and you just got caught for it and you got
punished for it. That hits differently with fan bases. It's like,
when you hear something being speculated about, you're tolerant of it.
When it actually comes out and it's being discussed in
the open, it's not as tolerable, and it's just a
(19:35):
horribly bad look the conduct when it goes into that
realm of being inappropriate sexually towards people. It's just never
going to land well. You put your hands on a woman,
it's not going to land well, you do things against
their will, it's just not going to land well.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
It's a full contact sport.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Dudes are big, they're strong, They're come in all different
shapes and sizes and racial backgrounds. There's just too much
connected to and too much at stake for the reputation.
You can't come across as Neanderthals or guys that just
can't handle themselves emotionally, can't control themselves emotionally and physically
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when it comes down to the opposite sex or the
same in twenty twenty five, it's just not a good look.
I wouldn't be surprised if we never see him play
on a team again. Who's going Why is it worth
taking a hit, risking the reputation of the team by
bringing him in based off of why he's out in the.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
First cause I think you're maybe not giving enough credence
to teams like to win games. And if he's won
a lot of games for Baltimore and so I'll ask
you this, do you believe it's more likely he's brought
back in season or in the off season, because I
think it's probably more likely that teams don't want to
deal with the distraction that late in the year, and
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if you're struggling at the kicker position, maybe you make
a move, you know, to sign somebody else that's not
going to have as much blowback in the year when
you've already got turmoil at the position and it turns
in all sorts of draws.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I just don't know how there's no blowback.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I could I could see a team in the off
season being like, all right, we've got an off season
to figure out the messaging, deal with all the questionings,
deal with the whole questioning.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yeah, I know you're going to say it's because they
want to win, But why would you why would you
concern yourself with doing that. It's just to me, I
think the risk reward of bringing in a guy that
brings that type of radio activity to the to the
equation is that's not a touchable that's not a touchable commodity.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Depends on who you ask.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I mean, I don't disagree what you think that way,
and I'm sure teams will possibly kick that around, but
you're risking like again, you make a decision like that,
you're risking the fallout of what it could be and
how do you take that back?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
So, for remember Matt erizah matde Eriza, who is the
punter for Kansas City. Now, if you remember those allegations
that came out when he was at San Diego State,
I believe he was called the punt God, and all
of a sudden, these allegations came out I think the
off season after he was drafted, and nobody would really
(22:32):
go near him until Kansas City waited for everything to
calm down and they ended up bringing him back. He's
too big a name, Justin Tucker. Yeah, it's too big
a name. I could see it in the off season.
So that listen, we've we've called our shot. And this
is not me defending Justin Tucker. I don't want people
to get to get upset or to get offended.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I just don't get it.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I just don't get why you would take the chance
like that is that is such a big deal that
your team could possibly get get canceled, or the GM
could get canceled, or the head coach could get canceled.
And then now what if that turns into a thing.
I mean, look, they took Mike Vick back, you know
(23:16):
what I mean. And Mike Vic that's against all odds.
I mean, you want to talk about not wanting somebody
back in the league. The fans did not want him
back in the league.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I mean you remember the protests. It was bad.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Oh my god, it was very very I mean it
was bad, like you would have thought we were in
a different time period.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I actually think if that happened now, maybe he doesn't
get it out. He can't.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Yeah, it's too much the social media, the way things
are covered, the way it's circulated.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Remember Riley Cooper.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Yeah, I mean Riley Cooper dropping an ND bomb at
a concert.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
And I think he still maintained on the team. And
I think he got a contract extension. He did, he did,
he did. It's not a shot, but he didn't last
long now all that it's just you don't think you can.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, I just don't think you can get away with
with those things because if if you sign him, here's
the risk you run. If you sign him, what comes,
Like you're like, can you imagine how the Browns feel
after really getting involved with Deshaun Watson? Like you gotta
be sitting there like, I got over two hundred million
(24:31):
invested in this man. What's gonna happen next? You're just
waking up every morning, one of your morning checklists, questions
to yourself in the mirror while you're brushing your teeth
and shaving your neck and all that stuff. Is something
going to pop up on Deshaun?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Today?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Andrew Berry's calling around massage parlors in Cleveland going, did
you see him there?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Did you guys see him? Anybody looked like him? Security?
Did you? Did you guys?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Tell him every Brown's apparel? Okay, about this tall? Why
would you want to live?
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Like?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Why would you want to have to do all of
those things? I just don't see it being worth it
for any organization to take that chance.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah, well we will, we will, wait it might be done.
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Speaker 4 (25:54):
People are starting to up their game a little bit.
On the the rock images. Uh oh, that's a good one.
That's a really good one.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
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Speaker 4 (26:09):
X grocked a black and drack Google image. You're drinking
a margarita, you're drinking blood and I'm clear, and we're
sharing a mic together. But you're in Penn Steak here,
so at least we're getting close. It is two pros
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(26:29):
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Always on the iHeartRadio app and you can find us
on hundreds of affiliates all across the country. We were
mentioning this that somebody was rewarded in the NFL and
they deserve to be. And that's somebody was the head
coach and GM for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who yesterday
the Buccaneers announced multi year extensions for Todd Bowls and
(26:59):
Jason Light This is, in my opinion, totally deserved, especially
Jason Light who. Yeah, they won a Super Bowl with
Tom Brady, But it is interesting how the Patriots have
completely unraveled.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yes since Tom Brady last yes they have. The Buccaneers
have not only stayed afloat, but surprisingly like they're the
of all teams in the NFL, only five teams have
won more games than the Buccaneers have since COVID since
twenty two.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
They're surprisingly Yeah, Baker Mayfield era competitive, just consistent bowls competitive,
Top Bowls era competitive competitive. I mean you can anticipate
who would you expect to win that division?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
The Bucks? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeah, So, I mean you can make the argument that
it could be Atlanta. We said that last year they
boned us. Now who's the who's the next one. Who's
the next one up? It ain't gonna be Carolina? Oh,
come on, it ain't gonna be Carolina. Who else is
in there? Who else you got? Carolina, Carolina, New Orleans Saints.
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It ain't gonna be the Saints. It ain't gonna be Carolina,
And it ain't gonna be the other team that Falcons.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
It ain't. It's just not.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
So partially you could blame it due to the level
of achievement of the other teams in the division, But
make no mistake about it. You take a Baker Mayfield
in a situation where it's like he doesn't get paid
the money he wants, and then they paid Deshaun Watson
more than the money he wanted, and and now you've
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stabilized a franchise at the quarterbacks position with Baker Mayfield
playing at a very high level, and the other team
has five quarterbacks on their roster to figure out who's
going to be the number one quarterback. So justin that alone,
like bringing him in believing that he can be that
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guy that leads the way for your Tampa Bay Bucks
team was a big decision because he was somebody else's
trash turned out to be their treasure.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
And not only was it somebody else's trash, it was
somebody else's trash that was brought in to replace the
greatest of all time, and we've seen what's happened in
New England when they've tried to do that. And yet
you look at Tampa and they've just been consistent. And look,
it's not like Todd Bowles is lighting it up as
head coach when it comes to a win loss record.
I think he's three games over five hundred. But there
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is something to be said for that consistency. And there's
also something to be said for the fact that they
do it home grown. And this was a stat that
was out yesterday that the Bucks lead the NFL in
total snaps and starts by homegrown players drafted in rounds
one through five since twenty fourteen. So that's not like
a you know, a a sample size. For over a decade,
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no team has had more draft picks play a significant
amount of time for them than the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
have between rounds one and five during that time, and that,
I mean, that is something to be said. And they've
had results based on the wins and the success that
they've got, so listen, i think they've deserved it. But
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it's been under the radar almost because look, Chris Godwin
had a better offer on the table, but decided I
want to come back and I want to be a
part of this, and I want to continue to be
a part of this. And this is a guy coming
off an injury. They've found a way to draft great
reward their own players, and they've built a culture there
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to where players want to be there. And Baker Mayfield
has worked wonders there, completely revitalized his career, one of
the more underrated players in the NFL, underrated quarterbacks in
the NFL. And you look at jamp and go, maybe
they're not the super Bowl elite team, but there is
something to be in pretty consistent and they've been one
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of the more consistent teams in the NFL for years now.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Yeah, and they just got bigger on the interior line,
you know, so now they got some real size up front.
They've done a really really solid job of dealing with
the departures that they've had and like you said, homegrown,
like they've built through the draft. It's like it's a
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very very sneaky ascent, is what I would say. They
seem to be a team that is inching closer and
closer to being back to that elite status. They seem
to be a team that's going in the right direction.
That's the reward of extensions to the head coach and
the GM. I just think this will be an interesting
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year to see how that plays out, because I think
now we've gotten enough of us sample size of Baker
Mayfield as the quarterback of this team to say, Okay,
now it's time. If Baker Mayfield is truly that that
franchise guy, now is that time to take that level
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of accomplishment to another level, especially knowing that the level
of competition isn't necessarily very high. I mean, you're talking
about a team that Michael Pennix is your starter, you
got you got.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Shock? Is he going to be the starter?
Speaker 3 (32:32):
And and and maybe Okay, so we don't really know
who's going to be the starter in New Orleans and
is it going to be Bryce Young or who is it?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Who's it going to be in Carolina.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Bucks are by far and away the most stable organization
in that division, so it's not even close.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
So again, I think this is one of those non
excuse years that the Bucks are going to be facing.
They could be the their own victims of success. The
level of success that they've been able to have because
you're able to win in the regular season, make it
to the playoffs, make it to the postseason.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
But how does that go.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
I think that's going to be what they're judged on
this upcoming season is to have a solid expected solid
regular season, get into the playoffs, and how do you
do in the playoffs. If it's an early departure, I
think it's a loss of a season. And you can't
continue to look at the coaching staff and the quarterback
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or even the GM and give credit due to saying
that this is a very well built team.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I mean, if we're going to be fair, they probably
should have beat Washington in that playoff game. There was
a miscue by the Bucks. There was I think a
field goal that went off the upright and bounced around
that you know, get the best football.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I know.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
I'm just saying they're not that far away. We're not
far off from being a team to really have to
deal with and contend with.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
They just can't go oh backwards though. That's the thing,
and that's I think that's the major point here is, yes,
they have been very close to like taking that next
step to the next level. And again that's why you
reward the people with the type of contracts extensions that
that you did. But going into this season, can they
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take a definitive step forward from where they are right
now currently knowing that it's not the most competitive division
that you're going to have to compete in, so they're
going to have to show that they can be competitive
outside of their division and win those games and show
that they are to superior your team within their division
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when they're playing those games.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Now, it is, uh, it's game show time, all right,
So do we have any special game show music here?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Because of what we did?
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Mention this that since twenty twenty, since COVID when the
Bucks won the Super Bowl, they have the sixth most
wins in the NFL during that stretch of time, which
may be a surprise to some people that the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers have the sixth most wins.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
In the league over the last five years.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
So the question I have for you, LeVar Arrington, or
some people call you Levarrington, who are the five teams
ahead of the Bucks in most wins in the NFL
since twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Most wins since twenty twenty. The Kansas City Chiefs that
is correct. The Baltimore Ravens, that is correct. Buffalo Bills
that is also correct.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
How many is that? Three? Three? We got two left
wins wins wins.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
The Steelers just below the Buccaneers, okay, twenty twenty, twenty twenty,
the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
No, no, not the Lions. We're getting cold. I mean,
well we'll think about, you know, twenty twenty. Who's who's
the forty no, no, and even the forty nine ers.
Who's the benchmark of the NFL? Right now?
Speaker 3 (36:16):
If you have to say that's that's the organization, that's Oh,
I gotta throw Philly in there. Philly's the But I
would have said the benchmark is Kansas City. Yeah, and
Kansas City's on that lower city Kansas City. So there's
there's one more.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
One team left and this might also be a little surprising,
but one team left. And if you noticed, how.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Is it Cincinnati?
Speaker 7 (36:39):
Now?
Speaker 4 (36:39):
You see you see your executive PU the Green Bay Packers.
So the Green Bay Packers on the list. So the Chiefs,
the Bills, the Packers, the Ravens, the Eagles, and then
the Bucks. Most wins I got twenty first three. I'm
sure the top three we didn't get up with the
top three. So outside of the three Packers were they
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they don't count. Damn that's crazy though. But yeah, I
don't think a lot of people consider Tampa Bay to
be that consistent of an organization. And I've always said this, Look,
there's no guarantees that you're going to win a Super Bowl.
As we talked about, you know, the Bucks probably should
have won that game against Washington and the playoffs last year,
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but some things go get a bounce here, a missque here,
and that's just the playoffs. That's how it works, and
you know the rest is history. I will take my
team being consistent, and I'll take my team being what
to expect every year as opposed to this up and
down roller coaster, not quite sure, disappointment here, disappointment there.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I think that's got to be one of the hardest
when that talking about all these teams like the Chiefs,
the Bills, the Packers, the Ravens, the Eagles, the Bucks,
all pretty consistent. Yeah, you don't have a lot of
letdown to me, right, what's the boom zoom deal? Like,
who's the boom and bust team?
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Well, because if you look at there's teams every year,
and Albert Brier had the article, you know, worse to
first teams and then the following year, you're not quite
sure what to get. You're not quite sure what you're
gonna have in each franchise or each organization. And I
look at teams like, yeah, maybe the Packers won't win
a Super Bowl, but at least you know they're going
to be competitive. And if I'm a fan, if I'm
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somebody rooting for that franchise, just give me a chance, like,
give me, give me a chance that we get a
couple of bounces or a couple of breaks in the
postseason and next thing, you know, maybe we can win
big games late. And you saw that look in Cincinnati.
I always defended the Andy Dalton there in Cincinnati because
that team was going to the playoffs every year. They
just weren't winning any games, but at least they were
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in the discussion. At least, you know, it's a crapshoot
at that point. Get us into the postseason and maybe
we'll get a couple of things to go our way.
And it feels like Tampa's one of those teams to
where listen, man, get them in the postseason. At least
you know they're going to win some games, stay competitive.
You're not going to see the bottom fall out on them.
And it's an organization. You could probably argue the bottom
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could have fallen out on them because Bruce arians left,
Tom Brady left, and it didn't. They were able to stabilize,
figure it out, and now they've got one of the
better quarterbacks in the conference that somebody else didn't want.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
That's a great point.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
So and he is a valued employee, and clearly we
were seeing that the head coach is a valued employee,
and as well as the GM. I think you can
only hope for seeing them take a step forward. And
I just just to add to your points because I
thought that's a good perspective, is you're looking at a
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league that it's just very hard to prognosticate what's going
to happen. I think that that's what makes the league
so intriguing. Why you can sit there and say, all right,
there's teams that you can count on being good. Can
you count on the fact that they're going to be
the team that goes all the way or what type
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of a year they're going to have. If you would
have said that when Dmico Ryans took over the Houston Texans,
that they would they would get as good as they did,
as quickly as they did. I don't know how many
people would have said, I put my money on now
state claim that this is what's going to happen with
the Houston Texans, and nonetheless they improved because they were
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one and done on coaches two years in a rouge.
I mean, look at the Washington Commanders, same exact thing.
You know, you're looking at a team that was suffering, struggling,
had fallen into mediocrity living there, and then boom, you
bring in new ownership, you bring in a new head coach,
you bring in Jaydon Daniels, and now you have a
team that's one game away from the Super Bowl, right
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and arguably could have won the game against the eventual
Super Bowl champs.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
In that also kind of what makes the Steelers' decision
on Mike Tomlin that much for difficult, because that's exhibit
A of the bottom never falling out. Yeah, always in contention,
always in consideration, and they haven't won a playoff game,
you know, their last five six times in the postseason,
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but never a losing record, and sort of bordering on
the brink of being a team that could make some
noise in the postseason, and now the Steelers are looking
at it going, yeah, that's been the case for a
long time. But it may seem like an easy caller,
an easy decision to just say, well, we've got super
Bowl aspirations here, like our mark is a super Bowl.
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If you're not winning a super Bowl, okay, that's fine.
But as we've seen, crazy stuff happens when you get
to a super Bowl. That Super Bowl against Green Bay,
if you go back and watch it, I think it
was Rashard Mendenhall had a fumble there that completely kind
of changed what that game could have looked like. There's
just there's a bouncers, a break that goes here. I
just think if you can get to the postseason and
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throw your name in that you got a shot in
a one game scenario or situation, just like what Washington
did to Detroit last year in the postseason. Like and
so the Bucks are one of those teams at least,
at the very least always give themselves a shot.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Well, and then you look at the just just take
a step the point a little bit more forward with
with the Steelers. You're doing that in the AFC North. Yeah,
you know what I mean. It's not like you're doing
it in the NFC South. You're doing it in the
AFC North when you are winning and you are making
the playoffs in the AFC North.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
With unstable quarterback play.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
So you got to take that into consideration because if
you were to disrupt that and take a chance on
bringing in a new coach, what does that look like?
Is there a slide and can you recover? This franchise
is a storied franchise. It has had a ton of
success for a very very I mean since they've been around.
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I mean since they turned it around when the steel
curtain took over and they drafted all those guys. I'm
curious when you look at teams that have that good
season but can't seem to return back to that type
of form, what that looks like. So when you do
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see a level of consistency in terms of what the
accomplishments are during the course of the year, do you
temper your expectations to say, I'm okay, if we have
a winning season, everything else is a bonus. Most fans
would say no. And that's where that's where it gets
kind of confusing and maybe a little sticky is most
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fans would say, that's just not enough for me to
be happy with our season.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
I mean, I've got a good example for you. The
Bears fired Lovey Smith after he went ten and six.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
What's that look like? Since? What does that look like?
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Since it just I mean, people want to People were
ready to fire the head coach of the Ohio State
Buckeyes Michigan. They wanted to fire him, I mean, and
James Franklin, Like, I don't get it, man. They wanted
to fire Franklin after losing his first game of.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
I've twenty years before.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
I remember doing a show with Bucky Brooks and we
were talking about there was this anonymous pole that came out.
I think it was CBS Sports. It might have been
Prisco who was part of it. Who knows, But there
was this anonymous pole that came out on CBS Sports
where they ranked the most overrated coaches in college football
and James Franklin was like three or four on the list,
and the knock on him was, well, all he does
is recruit? Okay, what about now? Like I know, yeah,
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there's not a national title. That's come along with it.
But you mean to tell me you think you're better
off moving off of that, like moving away from that,
like you would be better off.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
To I just Ryan Day ended up winning it all
and some would argue and debate. They still wonder if
they should let this man go because he didn't beat
Michigan in the horseshoe. It's preposterous to think that some
of the fans base and judge what it is that
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they think is the criteria of success versus failure as
a coach, So you can't base how you reward your
coaching staff or your players off of what fans think,
because sometimes it's just not realistic.
Speaker 6 (45:32):
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Speaker 4 (45:42):
There was a discussion that was at this week on
the latest edition of Nightcap, Oh Yeah or James Harrison,
former Pittsburgh Steeler Great, was talking with your guy, TJ.
Houschman's Adam Yeah, and he was having a discussion about
Mike Tomlin, what makes Mike Tomlin great and also what
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may be one of the flaws is with old coach
Tomlin there in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
With Mike, the.
Speaker 7 (46:13):
Thing I guess that I liked about him he is
a player's coach, and the thing that I disliked about
him is he is a player's coach to a point
of sometimes it can just for up, you know what
I'm saying, because it goes maybe a little too far
with allowing certain things, you know what I'm saying with
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certain players, and then it becomes an issue, you know,
with that player. So especially like towards the end of
my career, you know, the biggest thing was, you know,
ask a tough question, you get a tough answer. Well,
I was asking tough questions and I wasn't getting the answer,
you know, I was you know, I was getting told
things that weren't the answer that was the true answer.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
And so that was love with cash, you know it
when they wanted to just say just I wish he
would have said just what he wanted to say.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
Like that.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
You know that. You know, I don't know what it is, but.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
When you're when you use that many crutches and what
it is that you're saying, he doesn't want to say
something that he can't, can't take back.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
And and I do believe he's.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Welcomed into you know, the Stellers facility, Stiller's training camps,
stuff like that. You'll see him around. I know James Harrison,
and James is a really good dude. One thing about
James he shoots from the hip too, Like that's why
he's you know, I fool with him so much is
I'm one of those guys I'm gonna shoot from the hip.
I like being around dudes that shoot from the hip.
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I don't like passive, aggressive dudes. I don't like dudes
that that min's words or or don't want to just
say what they feel. I don't like dudes that talk
behind people's backs and won't say it to their face
or a woman to that point, Like whatever it is
I got to say, I could say it to you
in your face, same thing I say if you're not there.
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So in this situation, in this SoundBite, he isn't saying
exactly what he's feeling. He's playing it safe, and it
leaves me wanting to understand more because I have heard things.
I know a few people that had played for coach
Tomlin and had played in Pittsburgh. I know people who
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have understood the culture of what Pittsburgh, how it works,
and why it's thrived for so long, and why coaches
have been able to be in the seat for so
long throughout the years. I understand it because I grew
up learning it from the older guys, from Jerome Bettis,
from from Greg Lloyd. Once I got an opportunity to
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be around these guys DERMANI Dawson, Mike Mike White, I
got an opert excuse me, the white White shouts out
to Mike White, that's my guy. I got an opportunity
to hear it firsthand what the culture of football was
and ultimately what the culture of the Pittsburgh Steelers was
growing up. And then as a guy that played in
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the league and you had peers like I got really
close with Joey Porter, a senior, I got close with
Jason Gilden and like I said, you know, you got
really cool with James Harrison. And obviously one of my
closest friends that I consider one of my best friends
is Plexico Bursts. I know so many people that are
connected to the organization, and I've heard so many different things.
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I'm not going to ever be the one that comes
out and says some of the things that I heard,
because it's not my place to do it. I just
wish that whoever, you know, in that moment, I wish
James would have just said what he felt, because I'm
hearing some of the things that are being discussed or
are talked about when the Steelers are brought up, and
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he will alluding to it, but he didn't really step
into it.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
I think what he's getting at is Mike Tomlins, Like
Mike Tomlin can keep a secret. And we've seen the
example be Antonio Brown, George Pickens to where after they leave,
you go, oh wow, all that.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Was going on, but you didn't really hear much of that.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
And I've always maintained maybe that's one of the appeals
that Rogers has because it doesn't feel like there's a
lot of loose lips in Pittsburgh. It doesn't feel like
you've got a lot of stuff that will leak out.
But when it does, they usually follow suit by moving away.
Like we heard rumblings about Antonio Brown, they moved off
of him. We heard rumblings about George Pickens, they moved
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off of him. Hell, we heard rumblings about Kenny Pickett
that he could have dressed up for a game in
Seattle opted not to. They said, oh, no, listen, that's
not true, that's not accurate. Mark Madden reported on that
everybody said, oh, you don't know what you're talking about. Now,
My sources are pretty credible on this, and what do
they do. I think that very offseason moved off of
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Kenny Pickett. I just I think that Tomlin keeps everything
a secret, doesn't want stuff to come out, doesn't want
it to leak to the media, and ultimately the way
they act afterwards tells you everything you need to know
about how that player really was in that locker room.
But I think to James Harrison's point, he's probably thinking, man,
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that stuff should be squashed way sooner than it is.
And maybe Tomlin, because he's about winning games and willing
to deal with personalities and whatnot, maybe he just lets
that stuff go on a little bit too far for
some of the other players in the locker room are like, dude,
are you going to step up and do anything about
this other than after it reaches a certain point, and
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his threshold might be higher than other people's, then you
decide to move off of This certainly.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
Was put on the front street with the whole thing
playing out between Ben Roethlisberger and Antonio Brown. It was
put on front and it was it was a topic
of conversation. How do you handle it, Who's right, who's wrong?
Who do you get rid of? Who do you keep?
Speaker 2 (52:13):
So this has happened before, I guess I'll touch on it. No,
I'm not gonna do. It's just again, it's just not
I know.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
I've heard Ben Roethlisberger bring up the fact how he
feels about how coach Tomlin has handled things as the
leader of the team and how that plays into the
culture of the Pittsburgh Steelers. I've heard that, I'll say
loosely or gently. I've heard that the culture has slowly deteriorated.
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The Steeler the air quotes the Steeler culture, and I
won't go any deeper than that. The Steeler culture has
been slowly eroding under his tenure. That's where I'll leave it.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
That he's willing to deal with more than maybe he
would have in previous years because they need all the
help they can get.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
Yeah, but here's my thing, right, coaches always have to
deal with more, they always have to deal with things
and people. The general republic will never know all that
they have to deal with in order to hold a
team together. I don't I don't find there to be
anything brilliant or or really just out of the at
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the normal for that, like that's something that coaches have
to do.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
I think.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
I think for me and how I've been looking at
just lately, how things have gone been going with the
Steelers is more of the culture of the locker room
and and how that plays out the the personalities that
are in the locker room, how do they govern and
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and have handle affairs in the locker room. Who's empowered
to handle those things?
Speaker 2 (54:05):
You got?
Speaker 3 (54:05):
I'm sure James Deebo was an enforcer to the locker room.
And I think the reason why that team was so
good back in the earlier days when Tomlin took over
was because of the personalities that you had in that
locker room. And you would say the same would exist
for Bill Cower, and the same existed for Chuck Knowle.
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And you know when you had those type of personalities
like a male blunt and the white white and me
and Joe Green and Jack both the Jacks Lambert and
ham You have a mentality and a standard and an
expectation that became the identity of that team, and that
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carried on through the generations of players and coaches. You
see certain players play for the Pittsburgh Steelers. You know
what type of player you're getting. That's been the outside
linebackers position. It's been the defensive tackles position. It's been
the inside linebackers position. Oh, it's been the safety's position. Hey,
by the way, it's been the cornerback's position. Oh, you
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think I'm joking. From Brinson Buckner to Casey Hampton, same
type of dudes, different eras of time, Ray Seals, you know.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
Aaron Aaron? Uh, not Aaron? What's my man? Justin? H
is it Justin? And a big big Keyesel Keesel, Brett Keesel.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
You got all these bad mother efforts on the defensive
side of the ball from from me and Joe Green
the original steel curtain to where they are, you know
where they had gotten to. Right then you're talking about
guys like Kevin Green and Jason Gilden and and and
Earl Holmes and ken Drel Bell. People don't even remember
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Kendrel Bell, but that mentality of what the heartbeat of
a team would be Rod Woodson and Cornell Lake and
you know, Dwayne Woodruff and all those guys. Then you
look on the other side of the ball and they
have always produced a receiver from Lewis Lips, Louis Lips
to to you know, from you know Lynn Swan Swaneon
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and John stalwartancyn Yancy Thigpenn and Charles Johnson and you
know just Andre Hastings and then you move into the
more recent you know with Plexico Burrs and Heinz Ward.
You have always had a certain mentality and a certain
demeanor connected even at the running backs position when it
(56:45):
was Tim Worley and it was you know, it was
Warren Williams, and it was Barry Foster, and you know,
then it comes in you have John l and then
you have you know, Jerome Bettis, and you always had
this distinct personality connected to each position of that team.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
And it plays out in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (57:08):
They said Rod Woodson and Greg Lloyd were the enforcers
of the locker room. I think the biggest issue here,
and I think what James Harrison is touching on and
alluding to, is that because of the way things are handled,
those tough.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
Conversations that he's talking about. Chuckno had that with his guys.
Bill Cower had that with his guys, and there was.
Speaker 3 (57:34):
An authoritative figure and there was a subordinate in all
of these situations. But those subordinates ultimately respected the fact
that they had those conversations and they were going back
in the locker room and they were having their way
in terms of the tough conversations they're having within the
locker room culture. I think there's a disconnect between this
head coach at this point, even though they love him
(57:57):
and even though he is a player's coach. I think
there's a disconnect because those topics aren't met head on,
and it doesn't establish the authoritative figure, and it doesn't
establish the subordinates, but the subordinates that go in as
the authoritative figures in the locker room. And it's a
deteriorating of a culture where you had players that were
(58:19):
so strong and what it was that they were doing
and it were such a representative of the coach that
they were able to hold that locker room and check
and hold them accountable and create the standard that has
gone from generation A generation of each Pittsburgh Steeler team.
And you could sit here and say, I don't know
jack as about it. I'm only a fan. I'm only
(58:40):
a fan. I do not know it from the inside,
but I do. Again, I will say this, I learned
it enough. It influenced me as a player growing up.
I learned it enough from the players that meantward me
that were Pittsburgh Steelers, and I learned it enough from
my friends once I became an adult what it looked like.
Because the Steelers have always been a team of interest
(59:03):
to me, and I've always been a fan of Mike Tomlin.
I know it seems like maybe as of late, I
come across as like I'm a detractor of Mike Tomlin
as the coach. I think he is a fine person.
I think he is a fine coach. I think he
is a brilliant mind. I think he has done an
amazing job as the leader and the coach of this team.
But I do wonder if if some of the things
(59:24):
that I hear, like the quote you heard or the
sound you heard from James Harrison, has he been too
much of a player's coach where you have compromised what
that standard and that expectation of being a Pittsburgh Steeler represents.
Speaker 4 (59:38):
Can't be the cool dad. You gotta be the discipline guy.
You gotta be the disciplinarian. Sometimes being the cool dad
and the popular dad ain't ain't the way to go,
And uh, yeah it's not. But I mean, let's look
on the bright side. At least they're not the pirates,
so you know, there is that or to Pittsburgh spirits. Yeah,
I mean, they're not even around anymore.
Speaker 2 (59:59):
And let's be honest here, we're gonna you know, the
Penguins aren't all that all the way, and they got
issues too, but
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