June 30, 2025 • 51 mins
It's a special day on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, as the guys celebrate LaVar's Birthday! The league will test Travis Hunter's armor in his rookie year but if he can really play both ways, his contract should reflect it. And the NBA is trying to get in front of a big problem by making an example of Malik Beasley for potential gambling.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with LaVar airings and rating Win and Jonas Knox
on Boxorts Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
This is a very special show, special show here on
this Monday morning, We've got a birthday in the house.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Oh ladies and gentlemen, Happy birthday to the one, to
the only that's good, to the magnificent.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
LeVar Arrington. Thank you, guys, Thank you, thanke some noise,
thank you, thank you too much, too much, thank you,
thank you. All right, okay, right, all right, no but
(00:55):
cheers you come right now. We're gonna those surprises all
of course of the show.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Birthday that Norton.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Thank you, thank that was very nicely. Thank you fellas.
Did you happen to uh get to a pre pre
party the yes, yeah, oh yeah. I'm surprised that I'm
I'm in good enough shape to do the show. I'm here.
Don't expect much out of me, I know some of
(01:37):
you out there don't anyway, They don't expect much anyway,
what what happened. It's just there's a lot of partying
going on, a lot of laughs, some good music. My
buddy Byron Morey came through. He cooked some uh, some
tray tip. It was good. It was a good day.
(02:01):
My son, my son man Man surprised me and popped up,
popped up early in the day yesterday.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
So the wife orchestrated that. And you guys, uh when
did he When did he show up? Like nine am?
I was still laying on my couch half dead, you know.
And that was that was on Saturday. Yeah, and he
just walked in. Yeah, and you had no idea at all.
(02:29):
What's It's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
It was a beautiful thing. Yeah. Yeah, I mean good
to see my boy again. It's probably the last time
I get to see him before, you know, he completes
his his freshman year of college. So yeah, it's pretty cool. Man.
The twins were home, Penn was home. I was. I
was missing too, the two oldest once at one. Marley's
at Oregon doing what she needs to do, and Keino's
(02:53):
in Pittsburgh doing what he needs to do. He's training.
You see him, bro, he's gotten pretty big. It was
a good day. No, he's he's like two fifty big. Yeah,
he's going the body builder out. Yeah yeah, so what's
his diet. He's dressing like a bodybuilder these days too.
You know, he wears T shirt, well not not quite
(03:14):
ripped T shirt, but like you know, like baggier type
of clothing because it's not quite there yet. There's still
sweats and it's still like sweattops. But he's getting so
big that you know, he's like wearing stuff that's more comfortable,
and he's just constantly walking around like a jug of
(03:34):
water next to him at all jug of water. He
eats like every what two or three hours or something
to that effect, and it's a lot. Like we sat
down for breakfast, he got like two bowls of like
iron cut oats or whatever oatmeal or what would uh
some cinnamon on it or whatever. He eats a lot.
(03:57):
He consumes a lot. But he's gotten up to he
was like two twenty five when he was playing ball
at Delaware two twenty five to twenty. He's like two
fifty now. So good looking dude. I tell you that
he's a really good I got some good looking kids.
So there's that. Yeah. Uh, those are the boo the
(04:18):
bodybuilder diet and lifestyle crazy a wild Cadeah, that's crazy,
but it's uncomfortable. You probably you probably.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Eating when you don't want to eat because you're trying
to because you got to keep you have constant fuel
into your body at all times so your muscles can grow,
because that's really the way that they're going to grow.
And especially if like you can cut corners and do
all that, but if you're doing it the clean way,
meaning the legal way, you're constantly packing on calorie after
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calorie after calorie your intake. You've got to set reminders
to continue eating if you want to keep eating constantly
throughout the course of the day, and then you can't
even partake in some of the fun stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Drinking, none of that. None of that. That's interesting because
it's like you're it's almost like you're intelligent, but by
the sounds of the people on your your social, we're
not capable of having a high IQ conversation. What do
you mean, I don't know. I don't understand why the
people on your social are so freaking negative, bro. I mean,
(05:24):
it's like they make it it's their living to go
on to your social and be as negative as they
possibly can be. I think, like I just assumed, I
didn't know our IQ levels aren't anywhere close to Brady Quinn's.
I just found that out on Friday, when when one
(05:45):
of your your loyal subjects of hate posted that he
doesn't listen to the show anymore because IQ level is
so low when he's not on the show, apparently with
some dumb mother efforts.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Hey, look, dang, if you're too smart for us, good
luck with life. That's not that's not really for you
to be listening to it.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Not exactly. We're not trying to out smart anybody here,
I am.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Then this is the show's about having fun, busting balls,
little grab ass here and there, and some controversial takes
if need be go figure.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
I just assumed.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I just assumed after the first because I thought it
was the overnights. When I was doing the overnights on
the weekend, I would get some of the stuff that
people would send in because you know, they're hammered.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I mean that has to be the reason. Well yeah,
I mean it had to be. Could be that they
really feel that way about.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
It, And I thought, listen, you know, once you get
away from that, you don't have to worry about it anymore.
And no, it's like the traveling road show. Everywhere I've gone,
they just follow along. Just assumed, Well, if I you know,
if they at some point they're going to realize that
it doesn't offend me and I think it's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Or that you're actually pretty damn good at what you do,
and they could acknowledge it for all the times that
they've hated on you, but they don't. Like I saw
your post on Saturday, they consistently hate your guts, Bruhn.
I mean, but they hate me too. I mean, clearly,
some of them hate me because I'm black. I mean,
(07:21):
let's be real, clearly some of them hate me because
I'm black. Some of them hate me because I'm not Brady,
which I don't even understand how that works. I mean,
we all work together. I didn't make Brady miss the
time where he's missing right now. I have nothing to
do with that. You have nothing to do with that.
So I don't understand how our show sucks. But you know,
(07:41):
it's just interesting. This thing is interesting how hard some
people work. Like my whole thing is is if you
hate Jonas, if you hate me, if you genuinely hate
us and you don't like listening to us, you don't
(08:02):
take the time every single day to write. I don't
listen to the show anymore. I've stopped listening to it
for a while. You don't make comments about something you hate,
but maybe one time, I could see if you comment
it one time, but to make it a habit of
doing it every single day. You're a fan. You're a fan.
(08:27):
You're a fan. Maybe you don't understand this, but you're
a fan. Did I see you call somebody a groupie? Yes,
I'm a troll. I'll troll a troller, So I don't.
I love trolling trollers. You know some people are like, oh,
you're better than that, you don't have to get involved. No, No,
I will troll a troller. I have no problem getting
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into it with trolls because they're not just like, they
can talk crazy guys because they don't think we're real people.
It's like I feel like I can talk crazy to
them because they're not really real people to me. See.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
But now, at least now I've been exonerated on all
charges because Lee and Brady were pushing a false narrative
for years that those were my burner accounts that were
sending me messages. And I kept saying, dude, I don't need.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
There's too many of them. It's not I don't there's
too there's too No, there's too many people that hate them.
I don't and it's too many, I mean, and they
hate me too, But there's too many of them for
it to be burner times, Like that's just way too
much work. Oh my god. I could say if it
was like one or two and you were like building
this narrative to have some sympathetic you know, fans out there,
(09:41):
But no, there's there's a lot of them that that
really really hate your guts. Yeah they light it up. Yeah,
they hate your gut and they hate my guts. So
I'm happy about that. I mean, because for all the
people that do listen to our show, and there are
a lot of them, I get our you know, our downloads,
I get our hits, I get our you know, I
get the data on our show. It's a really successful show.
(10:05):
But within all of that success, you do have people
that are detractors, and they just happen to be the
ones that are more often than not on social media
write and crazys about you or a I've told you
this story.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
When I grew up listening to sports stock radio and
knew that it existed, I was enamored by it. Like,
wait a second, so you can actually do that as
a job and as a career. And I remember listening
to it would be certain hosts that would say something
I disagreed with. Never one time in my wildest dreams
(10:42):
and ideas as a fan, just a fan of sportstock Radio,
I listener of sportstock Radio, did I ever think about
emailing or faxing in a homophobic slur to the guy
on the air.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
It never.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
It never occurred to me. Yet every weekend I get buried.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
It's never occurred to me growing up loving sports talk radio.
Never occurred to me.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
You know, I don't like that guy's opinion on the
draft class homophobic slur, dang F bomb, dang a mom joke.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I just like, what are we doing here? But I
think it's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Keep on coming and listen if it's funny. I have
a strict policy funny is funny. If it's funny, probably
gonna get rewarded with a retweet. Some of them aren't funny,
so they don't get the same treatment.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
But yeah, listen, I think it's kind of fun that
you post them right after your show or adoring the show.
You post them, whichever one it is. Well, we get
them during the week too. Yeah, and it's always on
your on your page. Sometimes it's on Fox Sports Radio's page,
but more often than not, it's on your page. I
(11:52):
think they have like a healthy obsession with you, to
be honest. Well, listen, I wish I wish more people
did now. Isn't that how Dratcula was was able to eat?
By the way, is this is this offensive? Is that
one offensive? I mean got me a little juicy. I'm
a little bit thicker one day. In fact, the one
(12:14):
dude who was insulting us this weekend, he called me
a fat ass, like fat mother effort. I mean, I
am obese, but I am not sue your standard of
fat my guy.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
By the way, the Fox Sports Radio Twitter account did
post a little birthday show promotion and there's a gift
of LeVar in a I believe this is a car
commercial from back of the.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
That is Eastern Motors. Sean Taylor was in that commercial
flight flight of commercials.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, so it's a special day here. So it is
had another happy birthday celebration.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
And by the way, each and every segment, can we
do a different can we do a different.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Happy Birthday song? Is that Stevie Wonder it is yet
it is that songs. And while I love my heritage,
I love being a black man, I just I've heard
too many people do it for their like and they
only know happy birthday. They don't know any other words
to the song, Like do you do you know any
(13:27):
other words to the Stevie Wonder happy Birthday song? I
don't know. It's just happy Birthday on repeat, isn't it.
I think there's more to it. I think there's more
because the song was made for Martin Luther King, I believe,
and nobody and you just proved the point, like you
don't know the words beyond happy Birthday? So can we
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not play that one?
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Like?
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Can we play one that's super easy? Like, hey, happy
birthday to you, Like I'm going to open up my
birthday music box and see what I got for you
love our wonderful thank you. Lee's looking it up. Le,
He's like, well, he's correct. There are lyrics to that song.
And yes, I did not know that day for the
late and Martin Luther King. I like it even more,
(14:13):
yes or no, Lee, Lee, there you go, there you go,
sing the words, sing the words. Come on, because y'all
was singing Happy Birthday, sing the words come on, Lee,
come on right out there written here we go, come on,
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come on. Oh there we go back back to where
we belong.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Hey, Stevie, what a creative course. How long did it
take you to write that one?
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Jesus? I mean it was for his birthday, all right,
So there's two pros. Nelson Mandela, Yeah, okay, there you go,
he said, Probably Martin Luther. I mean I was about
to say them, I got them confused. I mean they
were both trying to lead their people to treat them.
I'm so glad you did that. If I would have
(15:09):
done that, they would have landed different. I could have
sworn he did it. I'm certain he did it for
Martin Luther King Tribute birthday tribute though, Just so we
don't let that go on record as if I as
if I mixed up Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King.
I did not. There was a moment in time where
Stevie Wonders sang this song for Martin Luther. By the way,
(15:31):
this is gonna be a great show. I can already
tell this is. We're off and running here. But I
would have to have an IQ and a memory to
be able to actually correct me being corrected by Lee
in that moment, instead of just going with it like, yeah,
I'm wrong. Sorry, I think all black people are the same.
You know, I am guilty of making that mistake a
(15:53):
few times there and there. There'd be no real there'd
be no real opportunity to express my my sarcasm or
exercise my sarcasm. You know with this low IQ that
I care you every day of my life. You know.
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Speaker 2 (16:51):
There is a I don't know if this is a
target or a you know, somebody's put somebody else on
notice about how things could pretend actually go in the
NFL this year. But Travis Hunter, who's trying to do
the offense defense thing in the NFL, which we don't
really get to see hardly ever at all, he's got
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his work cutout for him. That according to Willie Cologne,
former Super Bowl champion I guess forever super Bowl champion,
but former offensive lineman in the NFL. He was on
FS one's breakfast Ball on Friday and had this to
say about how he would approach the one and only
Travis Hunter.
Speaker 8 (17:30):
I know how I would approach a guy like this.
I'm gonna test his arfle. I'm gonna see how tough
you really are if you want to be a two
way player in the NFL. I'm gonna see if you're
strong enough to be a two way player. So when
I'm pulling around that corner, I'm gonna test that twelve
on your chest, right, And so for me, if I'm
the TXFL dav wars He that's listen to what the
players are saying. They're curious if he should finish an
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eighteen game season going both ways.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
I promise you he won't.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
They won't move him to one side of the ball
next quarterback and allow him to be the best quarter
they beat, because not only going to have to make tackles,
you all have to go stand.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Getting hit too. So that was Willie Cologne assessing how
things could go for the one and only Travis Hunter.
How'd you feel about that assessment?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
It does bring up an interesting point that I don't
know if people have thought about, because if a say,
a quarterback comes into the league and they're really cocky
or really arrogant, you can understand why there would be a.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Target on them.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Johnny Manzel that it seemed like players obviously knew the
reputation and whatnot, and so there were incidents where you know,
they would take liberties or take shots at him. There
were some people that speculated maybe that would happen with
Caleb Williams. There's some people that think maybe that happens
with Ace Bailey, the guy who you know didn't want
to work out for any teams didn't want to go
(18:49):
to Utah, wanted to go to Washington, and the Jazz
ended up drafting him. Like, if you come in with
a reputation as being a little bit cocky, I could
understand why maybe you would feel like there would be
a target on your back.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
He does bring up.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
A point, though, that you've got a guy who's coming
into the league and is basically saying I'm going to
try and do what nobody else in the league can do.
And I just wonder how that's gonna land with certain
players in the NFL then maybe saying no, no, you're not
doing that on our watch. You're not gonna listen, You're
gonna pick a side, because if you try and go
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both ways offense and defense, you're gonna be held accountable
for it. And I just wonder if players look at
that as almost a challenge. Let's let him know that
the NFL is different than what it was at college.
You can pull that in Boulder, you can't pull it
here on Sundays.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
But he it is what Travis Hunter has done, and
not many people at all, if any, have ever been
able to pull it off to the level that he's
pulled it off at winning the Heisman Trophy. Yeah, you
can't discredit what he's already done and say, Okay, well
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you can't. You're not going to be able to do
that in the league. The bottom line is, any high
profile draft pick is going to be targeted. Abdual Carter
is going to be targeted, Warren is going to be targeted.
You know, cam is going to be cam Ward is
going to be targeted. Like all these top guys offensive
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linemen that go early, they are going to be targeted.
They're all going to be targeted. So I think that's
a for one, that's an overstated type of point to
the conversation, because there's somebody that's going to be out
there that is targeting you, specifically being a rookie, and
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especially if you're a high profile, high draft pick rookie,
somebody's targeting you. The bottom line, in fact, if you're
able to stay relevant as a player throughout your you're
being targeted. That's the bottom line. And even though Greg
Williams got in trouble for revealing to the public how
(21:11):
deep targeting can go that exists, knocking dudes out of games,
I don't know if that culture still exists in today's NFL.
I'm not close enough to the game at this point
to know the ins and outs on how defensive players
view games, but that is certainly that was certainly culture
(21:34):
when I was coming through, and when I was playing,
there was always the idea, kill the head, the body
will die. But we also can wound some different parts
of the body as well. If a running back represented
an arm, we could take that arm. If a receiver
represented a leg, take the leg. If you could get
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a lineman out of the game and get him out
of the game, that was just how you played the game.
So I don't find this to be egregious to sit
there and be like, oh, I'm going to check the
twelve on his chest and see if he can handle it.
What pulling lineman isn't going to see if any any
high draft pick on the outside can handle them pulling.
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Who's not going to do that. So that's the first point, right,
That's the first point. But then the second point is
which I felt confident about what he said about being
a cornerback when he was first coming into the league.
But the more I've listened to Pete Prisco and other
people talk about it, if you really think about it,
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he's too good of a weapon for a quarterback that
is in a very pivotal year for you not to
use him on the offensive side of the ball. I
would be more I would be more agreeing with the
idea of playing him one way if you were playing
him one way as a receiver at this point, because
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he gives an added dimension, he gives a weapon. If
people are saying that he's in comparison impact wise, he
could have the same type of impact that Justin Jefferson
has on the receiving corps that you know that's what
Trevor Lawrence is needing in need of, then why would
you play him on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
If that's the case, If that's the you know, the
the expectation or what people look at as the potential
of him as a receiver, then that's a dangerous offense
all of a sudden, because Brian Thomas Junior doesn't get
talked about enough. That guy's a flat out stud. And
for all the love that Malik Neighbors gets, go look
at Brian Thomas Junior from last year. He's fantastic. So
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if you've got him, and then Travis Hunter on the
other side, that's a problem. I just you have to
at least if you're Liam Kohen, you have to at
least try it out on defense. If the approach is
we're gonna like because the decordinator in Jacksonville is already like, man,
you can see it his instincts. We put him out
there a couple of times in OTAs or whatever, and
(24:08):
Liam Cohne said, look, he's come to me and said, hey,
can we work with him again today. I just wonder
how they're going to manage this, because you know, Willy
Coloone says the better questions, like Willy Colone saying, listen, man,
you're not going to last you know, seventeen games that
that's not how this works, Like you're not like we're
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I'm going to let it be known that this is different.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
And I just wonder how they may I think that's
a hot take. The reason why I don't think it's
a hot take is because you are literally taking up
two major position groups like you're you're taking up you're
a one for two. So if it's going to be
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hard for a receiver to make it through, like any
receiver is going to be a ground to make it
through because all the running that you're doing as a corner,
it's the same thing. It's going to be hard for
you to make it through because of all of the
running that you're doing. So to double that up and
say you're gonna play both positions, you're basically saying that
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your injury expectancy doubles. It doubles, right, That's what you'd
got to sue. It can't be a hot take to
say if a guy is playing taking up two you're
basically taking up two roster spots. Like this again, I
said this earlier on. If the man were to play
two positions and to play them successfully, do you understand
(25:38):
what that means? To me? What that means is once
he gets to his contract year, you have to pay
him as a two way player. This is nothing like
to me, there's no reason to look at it and
not know what the intentions are in wanting to play
both ways. It's not just to be playing both ways.
You want to get paid as a two way player
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when you go back to the table for your.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Second Contract's like when Jimmy Graham wanted to get paid
as a wide receiver and they're like you're a tight end.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
He goes, look at how I line up. Majority of
the time I line up as a wider. This is
totally different, but I'm saying so it's so different. In fact,
it is unprecedented to understand the idea of I'm coming
to you. Look at what Justin Jefferson made as a
top receiver. So if I prove to you I'm a
top receiver, and then look at who's the top paid
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cornerback in the league, it might be is it Stingley or.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Horn?
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Okay, so let's just say, okay, so I am one
of the top rated corners, grading out as high as
one of the top paid corners, and I'm a top
top rated receiver rate it out next to the top
rated receivers in the league, and I'm doing both successfully.
How are you going to pay him? How is that categorized?
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Do you just oh, we're gonna pay like even his contract? Now?
How does he he? In theory he is deserving to
be paid for two roster spots if he's a true
two way player. Do you think he can hold up?
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That's a lot. Again, I think it's a You've doubled
the odds of getting injured. Can he hold up? Yes,
for how long? That's probably gonna be the biggest question.
And he's not the biggest guy in the world, right,
but that could work in his favor. I mean, we're
not in the most physical of days for for football.
(27:42):
It's not I mean, am we're not. We're not. You're
not in a situation where if you do things the
right way, you make good business decisions out there on
the football field, that you can't pretty much stay unscathed physically.
I'm not saying he won't hold up physically in terms
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of getting hit. I'm saying can he hold up physically
the amount of running he's going to be doing. That's
a lot of right, And you would assume that they're
going to put Travis Hunter on established being a cover corner.
So chances are they're going to put Travis Hunter. If
he proves out of early stage that he's good enough
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to do it, you're going to put him on the
number one receiver. So not only is he going I
don't know if he's running as a one or as
a two receiver, but if he's going both ways and
he's covering their number one receiver and he's their number
one or number two receiver, he's running a ton of routes.
He's doing a ton of covering of guys, running a
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ton of routes. It's just how are you going to
manage his reps? How are you going to manage how
he practices? How are you going to manage all of
these things that were were a true two way player?
Because in the pros, even in college two way players
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like it's where do you have the time? Like you're
going to have to split time because it's not like
high school where it's like you don't have enough players.
So generally, unless you're a big school, generally you have periods.
You have offensive side, you have defensive side, because you
got a lot of two way players like two ways.
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Playing two ways isn't foreign to football players. If you
played high school football at a normal high school, if
you've gone to a big high school, that's different. There's
more likelihood you play one position or one side of
the ball. But for most people, you're not. It's not
foreign to you to play both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Even just looking at the depth chart for the Jaguars
and again all this stuff changes. We're not even a
training camp now, just seeing Travis Hunters as the wide
receiver opposite to Brian Thomas Junior and then listed now
the backup cornerback to Jerry and Jones, Like just even
seeing that makes this whole thing that much more fascinating.
(30:11):
Like I'm fascinated to see not only you know, as
Willie Colone mentioned, just the reaction, how he's going to
be approached, you know, by by other players who see
him out there, but also how are the Jaguars going
to pull this off? Because if you're if you're Liam Cohen,
now it becomes difficult to understand. All right, snap count wise,
(30:33):
he's not going to maybe want to come out of games,
but maybe you need to take him out for a
few snaps just because he's tired, but you know, he
wants to tell. And then you've got to consider once
you get past the eleventh, twelfth week of the season,
now it's you know where they taught was that that
rookie wall? After you get about that point, like now
(30:53):
you've got to worry about the back end of the
season and it's just him being a rookie.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
I just the whole thing is fascinating to me because
we haven't seen him before I just think the most
fascinating part of it all is if he has success,
if he has great success playing both ways, success like
true two way player, his agency is going to have
to do the unthinkable and you're going to have to
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negotiate a deal that pays him like he's two players.
There's no way around it. If that man is able
to be successful playing both ways, you cannot give him
a contract that's for a cornerback. When he's successful as
a cornerback and you can't give him a or he's
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successful as a receiver and you can't give him he's
successful as a cornerback when he I'm mixing it up,
but you know what I'm trying to say. If he's
playing one side of the ball, you can't give him
a contract. Let me restate this, all right, This is
crazy because I'm confusing myself, but I'm not confused both
sides of the ball. He's successful. If he's successful, goes
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back to getting the contract redone. You can't pay him
to just be a receiver when he's successful as a cornerback.
If he goes back to the table and he's had
successful on both sides of the ball, you can't just
pay him for being successful as a cornerback, because he's
been successful as a wide receiver. That's how I wanted
to get it out. And that is the biggest to me.
That will be the biggest storyline in all of football history.
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It will be up there in the conversation of biggest,
biggest happenings in the league in the history of the game.
If he's able to be successful being a true, it
has to be true two way player.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
And that's why I brought up the Jimmy Graham's story
because you know, the Saints here, it might have been
the Sea whoever was he was trying to argue it
for at that time, they wanted to pay him at
the position that was going to be cheaper, and so
you know they want listen, no, no, no, your tight end. Yeah,
but I line up as a wide receiver more no, no
of your tight end. If you're Travis Hunter and you're
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negotiating at that point with the Jaguars, I mean, they're
gonna try and get the best deal.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Like this, even if they're playing him as a backup
corner and they have a starter, or they have him
as a starting corner and a backup receiver and he's
still producing, I would still demand that I get paid
whatever that wage is for that roster spot that I'm
you that I'm taking up when I go out there
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on the field. If I'm getting the same amount of reps,
I want to be paid for getting the reps as
a player that goes into the game, whatever it is
that's required, what that costs. I want fear market value
for that. And if he's doing that in two different positions,
on two different sides of the ball, you gotta pay them. Like,
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how do you not pay him? How do you not
do that deal? And what does that look like? How
do you justify one over the other? I don't you know.
I don't know. And to me, that is the most
intriguing aspect of all of this is if he's able
to pull it off, what the hell does the NFL
do if he proves he's elite at both? Is he
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like AE hundred million dollar due guarantee? That'd be great.
I mean by that time we're talking to what three
four years from now, mean, who the hell knows. So
you're talking like you're going to be forty forty four cornerbacks,
maybe fifty fifty sixty four receivers. Travis, we'll give you
a hundred million. We gotta give you one hundred million.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
By the way, we're not that far off from somebody
making one hundred million in a season.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Like we're telling what ad we ten maybe ten twelve
years away. It's two I mean, there's no way around.
It's two roster spots. There's two roster spots. He's taken
up if he's a true two way player.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
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Speaker 2 (35:02):
It has been a wild show here through the first
two hours as we celebrate the birthday of the one
and only LeVar Arrington.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Yeah. Thanks, it's a shooting gallery here in the studio.
Good morning everyone, Good morning.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
But yes, it's been a it's been a fun and
vibrant show here through the first couple of hours. We
even talked about a potential gambling scandal in the NBA, uh,
the one with Malik Beasley who apparently is under investigation.
This according to we'll go ahead and reset this because
there's been further evidence that has come out here, which
(35:58):
is what we kind of speculated on. But according to
Sham Shrani at ESPN, the US District's Attorney's office is
investigating the Pistons Guard on allegations of gambling related to
NBA games and prop bets from the twenty twenty three
to twenty twenty four season when he played for the Bucks.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
They've looked into this.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
According to there's one prominent US sportsbook that detected unusually
heavy betting interest on Beasley's stats beginning around January twenty
twenty four. A gambling industry source told ESPN's David Purdam. Now,
they pointed to a game on January thirty first of
twenty twenty four in which a lot of money came
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in on the under of two and a half rebounds
from the league Beasley, and it skewed the line. The
under didn't hit. All those bets lost, so the over
actually hit in the second quarter. So you look at that,
and you and I were kind of speculating, there's got
to be more to this, because this is not enough
for me to go, Okay, well, we got this is
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a big to do and the NBA needs to step
in and do something. But the fact that this story
came out, we wondered was there more to it? And
people have started going down the rabbit hole and finding
video clips of Malik Beasley, and there's one in particular
where there's a rebound he picks up off a free throw.
(37:23):
The Bucks are down by nine, and he gets the
rebound in a game that's over, the clock is winding
down and goes coast to coast and dunks it with
no time remaining, And the points spread was eight and
a half, and so you're looking at that going hmm,
did he have his team plus eight and a half
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And that's why he took the ball and went coast
to coast when nobody would ever do that. Nobody would
ever eight and a half. And they won by eight. Well, no,
they won by seven. Oh, they won best so that
they hit the under. Yeah, so the lead bet on
hitting the under.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
The lead was nine. He got the reound, Okay, got you,
got you, gotcha, and so got you. But but this
is this is what I'm wondering, because the rebound prop
bet that this sort of soft tossed to us isn't
enough for me to freak out about it. But stuff
like that would be if it's impacting the games, and
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it's impacting the outcome of the games as it applies
to the total hold the teams, that's different. That's different.
I mean, the rules are the rules. If he's breaking
the rules and he's betting on himself and and he's
trying to hit the overs and unders on how many
rebounds and assists that he gets, then punish him and
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keep it moving. But if he is altering games and
in a way where it impacts the reputation of yeah,
he's pushing that ball down and the game is over.
He pushed this, Yeah, you should have walked it up
and gave it to the referee, But he pushed it
coast to coast. And I stand that was when he
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was with the Timberwolves, not the Timberwolves. Yeah, I just
you know, I don't think there's any room for for that.
If you're if you're impacting game in a manner that
that destroys the integrity of what the game represents, that
has to be addressed.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
It's just it's either that or NBA fans just aren't
used to seeing players give effort all game, and so
they're not used to give effort on the very final
play of the game place and you got the game
one place till the last.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
You're going to lose the game. You're down what you're
down by two? Yeah, you're still losing. Yeah, but you
lost by under the spread, right, You're still going to lose.
But that's why I just think there's more to this.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
I I don't I don't buy the whole This was
a nice, a nice little soft toss by the NBA
to report that, oh what was for a prop bet
on rebounds?
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Okay? But why was Why is there an investigation into it?
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Right?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Like an investigation into this? Why is his attorney already
giving a statement afterwards? I mean we're talking like this
is the USDA's office that's investigating this. You've got, you know,
a US sports book and at least one of them.
This is multiple sources on ESPN talking to both of
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those entities. You've got his attorney coming out with a statement.
All of this on the brink of free agency when
he was expected to sign a new free agent deal.
And I just I think what the NBA did and
what ESPN did is they threw out and it's you know,
just wanted everybody to know they're investigating this. It's a
prop bet because I think that there's more to this,
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and I think there's more coming to this story.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
And when you say more egregious from him or from
others from him, like and like not passing the ball
to a guy so that they don't get the stat
line that they deserved. Like when you say more egregious,
what do you mean? Well, is he putting icy hot
(41:10):
in somebody's jockstrap and they can't play in the game now?
Speaker 2 (41:14):
So Johntay Porter, when he got popped. Amongst the details
on his violations and when people really caught wind of
him doing some funny stuff is when their money came in.
I believe there might have even been text exchanges where
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he bet on or a lot of money came in
on the under of him shooting threes or point totals
or something along those lines. He checked into a game
and then checked out shortly afterwards, complaining of an eye injury.
Well guess what he played? Those bets count and that
those bets hit like that that's a smoking gun. Yeah this,
(41:58):
well you listen, he bet you know, a lot of
money came in on under two and a half rebounds
and those bets didn't hit. So what's I mean, what
you know? But at least he's being investigated. I wonder
if this is also the NBA maybe using him as
a scapegoat. He's about to sign a big money deal
in free agency that's about to happen. I wonder if
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this is the NBA saying, hey, this guy's already had
a run in before. He got suspended like eleven twelve
games a couple of years ago for a guns charge,
and this has already been an issue with him before,
and now we've got gambling allegations. Just so everybody knows
this guy was on the brink of free agency about
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to get a big money deal, maybe the NBAS make
an example of him and letting the rest of the
league know, in so many words, if anybody else is
doing this, cut the crap now, because this is going
to cost him a ton of money and the rest
of his career. So if anybody else is doing this,
cut the crap now. And I wonder if Maligue Beasley
(43:06):
is being is being the scapegoat here and the example
of the NBA letting their players know, hey, friendly reminder,
this can cost you everything, Like it's about to cost
this guy.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
If you need this type of reminder at this point
in your career, it's already too late. You're not going
to be He's you know, Beasley's not going to be
a deterrent to those who can't control themselves at this
point in their life. So if you're trying to make
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him an example, good luck with that. Those who are
going to mess up are going to mess up, and
you know, you can make this as harsh a penalty
as you want to make it. Again, Now, if that's
Lebron James, that's different. That's different. If it's if it's
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a big name player. See when you spank a little player,
it's like, Okay, he shouldn't have got caught, But that
hasn't got anything to do with me. I'm gonna just
keep doing me. But when you get somebody of influence, like,
(44:24):
how many times have we seen somebody get popped of influence,
like of real stature and status get popped for any
of these types of accusations. Pete Rose, Okay, how long
ago is that we have we had anybody recently in
the NBA, any big name athletes in the NBA, I
(44:44):
mean major brand athletes like the all right, Shoha Tani
in baseball, but that was his interpreterpreter. That's not even
And you see how polarizing and how much that gripped
sport News when it was just the translator. Now imagine
if it came out that it was him. That's different. Oh,
(45:07):
shoe a Atani gets suspended for a year, that's different.
To ask you this, if this was Lebron James. Calvin
Ridley is a pretty decent one.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Let me ask you this, if it was Lebron James,
you think we'd ever find out about it?
Speaker 4 (45:20):
No, absolutely not. It can't because it would. It would
destroy it would destroy the credibility of what goes on
in the NBA. It would it would destroy the reputation
of the NBA. And that's that's why to me, every
single time these types of stories surface and they pop up,
(45:42):
it's like, for what, you're not popping James Harden, You're
not You're not popping Anthony Edwards. You're not popping any
of those guys. Pop a guy that that if you
have to sit him out for a year, it really
did impact that team and it really did impact the league.
That's how you set an example.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Well, but I do think, and we were mentioning this earlier,
at this point, if they can't help themselves, it's like
he can't get right, right, I mean, wouldn't you? Isn't
that what you call it?
Speaker 8 (46:16):
It?
Speaker 4 (46:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (46:17):
So he's a guy who And that's why if people
want to claim that this is the issue, as we
mentioned earlier, when you welcome gambling into the NBA, Dude,
just because you welcome them in a sponsors doesn't mean
you have to partake in the gambling of your own games.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
Okay, that's that's.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Not how it works. That's why I made the example.
Like everybody's got a kitchen with knives in it, you
don't use it on a relative. Like you have a
choice in this. He's got a choice, and he chose
to potentially ruin his career by betting on himself in
games or against himself whatever. So like I just I
look at this story and I go, there's got to
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be more to it. You can't have me, you know,
get caught up in this and freak out about an
over under rebound total that didn't even hit by the
second quarter and lost all the money that came in
on it without there being more to the story. And
(47:17):
now people are starting to look back at the at
the course of his career and going, well, he didn't
hustle here. He hustled a little bit too much there.
He did a little bit too much of this hm,
He's already had off the court issues before. Yeah, maybe
there is something here and I just think.
Speaker 4 (47:31):
That the NBA. But again, what end to what end?
I think there's gonna be more than if it connects,
If it connects to a bigger a bigger, bigger issue,
I get it. If it does not connect, if it
just starts and ends with this young man, But what
is the old Like, Okay, he he was betting on himself,
(47:53):
he got caught. What makes it any more of a
story than that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Like?
Speaker 4 (47:59):
What's his relevant to what's going on with the NBA?
And like, well, we'll call out referees and say, okay,
we get and understand the magnitude of if a referee
or a group of referees are are interfering in a
way where it dictates the outcome of a game. I
get that, right, we get that. What is the what
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for Beasley to be in this situation? What is what's
the ultimate end? What's the storyline here that makes Malik
Beasley relevant in this scenario.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Because he's about to sign a big money deal and
on the brink of free agency, this story comes out.
I don't think it's coincidental. I think it's this is
a friendly reminder, don't mess around. It's going to cost
this guy millions of dollars and it's going to cost
him his career potentially because he wanted to, you know,
(48:50):
fart around and do prop bets or you know, potentially
get involved in gambling on his own.
Speaker 4 (48:56):
Games like that. That's that's what I think. I don't
think that that's for the public determination though, that's a
that's within the league determination, right, Like, oh like for
all the players that aren't major brand players, if if
you're planning on getting a good contract or being in
the good graces of the league, don't here's one place
(49:18):
you just don't the waters you don't get into. That's
more internal.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah, but I think it's a it's sort of a
flare gun into the sky for NBA players, Like, Hey,
this is an issue, and I think the NBA probably
knows that there's more of this that goes on like
they don't have enough hard evidence, but I'm sure they're
probably aware that. Yeah, maybe this is how this would work.
(49:44):
If you were an NBA player and somebody came to
you and said, hey, are you playing in this game? Yeah,
I'll be playing in this game. All right, here's X
amount of dollars, don't know, miss a couple more threes.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
Than you normally would, which is stupid, no problem, Like
why is it no problem? But you but you can't.
But you can. It's just that simple though, Like you
can impact games that directly. But what I'm saying is, again,
if you're making what you're making as a player, why
would you like, you've got to be one silly, stupid
(50:24):
mother effort. I agree to go down that road just
based off of the minimum wage of what you're making
a great like that, And that's so dumb. You can't
get it right. So you can't get right. You can't
get right. And I just and and and let nature
take its course, like get your ass up out of here.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
It's you know, but the NBA has got another, uh,
you know, another potential scandal on its hand. So which,
by the way, I think this stuff is fascinating. I
welcome it at all cost, whatever it takes. Give us something,
give us some more of this. I'd rather talk talk
about this in his actual free agency Malik Beasley, I.
Speaker 4 (51:03):
Mean, thank you, Malik Beasley for giving us a topic,
because it is that time of the year where you
got to figure out ways to entertain the grateful listeners
and the butt head ungrateful listeners that are out there
as well. So there you go. You gotta have some
type of headline or some type of news to talk
(51:24):
about during these dog days of summer.
It is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with LaVar airings and rating Win and Jonas Knox
on Boxorts Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
This is a very special show, special show here on
this Monday morning, We've got a birthday in the house.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Oh ladies and gentlemen, Happy birthday to the one, to
the only that's good, to the magnificent.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
LeVar Arrington. Thank you, guys, Thank you, thanke some noise,
thank you, thank you too much, too much, thank you,
thank you. All right, okay, right, all right, no but
(00:55):
cheers you come right now. We're gonna those surprises all
of course of the show.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Birthday that Norton.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Thank you, thank that was very nicely. Thank you fellas.
Did you happen to uh get to a pre pre
party the yes, yeah, oh yeah. I'm surprised that I'm
I'm in good enough shape to do the show. I'm here.
Don't expect much out of me, I know some of
(01:37):
you out there don't anyway, They don't expect much anyway,
what what happened. It's just there's a lot of partying
going on, a lot of laughs, some good music. My
buddy Byron Morey came through. He cooked some uh, some
tray tip. It was good. It was a good day.
(02:01):
My son, my son man Man surprised me and popped up,
popped up early in the day yesterday.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
So the wife orchestrated that. And you guys, uh when
did he When did he show up? Like nine am?
I was still laying on my couch half dead, you know.
And that was that was on Saturday. Yeah, and he
just walked in. Yeah, and you had no idea at all.
(02:29):
What's It's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
It was a beautiful thing. Yeah. Yeah, I mean good
to see my boy again. It's probably the last time
I get to see him before, you know, he completes
his his freshman year of college. So yeah, it's pretty cool. Man.
The twins were home, Penn was home. I was. I
was missing too, the two oldest once at one. Marley's
at Oregon doing what she needs to do, and Keino's
(02:53):
in Pittsburgh doing what he needs to do. He's training.
You see him, bro, he's gotten pretty big. It was
a good day. No, he's he's like two fifty big. Yeah,
he's going the body builder out. Yeah yeah, so what's
his diet. He's dressing like a bodybuilder these days too.
You know, he wears T shirt, well not not quite
(03:14):
ripped T shirt, but like you know, like baggier type
of clothing because it's not quite there yet. There's still
sweats and it's still like sweattops. But he's getting so
big that you know, he's like wearing stuff that's more comfortable,
and he's just constantly walking around like a jug of
(03:34):
water next to him at all jug of water. He
eats like every what two or three hours or something
to that effect, and it's a lot. Like we sat
down for breakfast, he got like two bowls of like
iron cut oats or whatever oatmeal or what would uh
some cinnamon on it or whatever. He eats a lot.
(03:57):
He consumes a lot. But he's gotten up to he
was like two twenty five when he was playing ball
at Delaware two twenty five to twenty. He's like two
fifty now. So good looking dude. I tell you that
he's a really good I got some good looking kids.
So there's that. Yeah. Uh, those are the boo the
(04:18):
bodybuilder diet and lifestyle crazy a wild Cadeah, that's crazy,
but it's uncomfortable. You probably you probably.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Eating when you don't want to eat because you're trying
to because you got to keep you have constant fuel
into your body at all times so your muscles can grow,
because that's really the way that they're going to grow.
And especially if like you can cut corners and do
all that, but if you're doing it the clean way,
meaning the legal way, you're constantly packing on calorie after
(04:49):
calorie after calorie your intake. You've got to set reminders
to continue eating if you want to keep eating constantly
throughout the course of the day, and then you can't
even partake in some of the fun stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Drinking, none of that. None of that. That's interesting because
it's like you're it's almost like you're intelligent, but by
the sounds of the people on your your social, we're
not capable of having a high IQ conversation. What do
you mean, I don't know. I don't understand why the
people on your social are so freaking negative, bro. I mean,
(05:24):
it's like they make it it's their living to go
on to your social and be as negative as they
possibly can be. I think, like I just assumed, I
didn't know our IQ levels aren't anywhere close to Brady Quinn's.
I just found that out on Friday, when when one
(05:45):
of your your loyal subjects of hate posted that he
doesn't listen to the show anymore because IQ level is
so low when he's not on the show, apparently with
some dumb mother efforts.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Hey, look, dang, if you're too smart for us, good
luck with life. That's not that's not really for you
to be listening to it.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Not exactly. We're not trying to out smart anybody here,
I am.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Then this is the show's about having fun, busting balls,
little grab ass here and there, and some controversial takes
if need be go figure.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
I just assumed.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I just assumed after the first because I thought it
was the overnights. When I was doing the overnights on
the weekend, I would get some of the stuff that
people would send in because you know, they're hammered.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I mean that has to be the reason. Well yeah,
I mean it had to be. Could be that they
really feel that way about.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
It, And I thought, listen, you know, once you get
away from that, you don't have to worry about it anymore.
And no, it's like the traveling road show. Everywhere I've gone,
they just follow along. Just assumed, Well, if I you know,
if they at some point they're going to realize that
it doesn't offend me and I think it's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Or that you're actually pretty damn good at what you do,
and they could acknowledge it for all the times that
they've hated on you, but they don't. Like I saw
your post on Saturday, they consistently hate your guts, Bruhn.
I mean, but they hate me too. I mean, clearly,
some of them hate me because I'm black. I mean,
(07:21):
let's be real, clearly some of them hate me because
I'm black. Some of them hate me because I'm not Brady,
which I don't even understand how that works. I mean,
we all work together. I didn't make Brady miss the
time where he's missing right now. I have nothing to
do with that. You have nothing to do with that.
So I don't understand how our show sucks. But you know,
(07:41):
it's just interesting. This thing is interesting how hard some
people work. Like my whole thing is is if you
hate Jonas, if you hate me, if you genuinely hate
us and you don't like listening to us, you don't
(08:02):
take the time every single day to write. I don't
listen to the show anymore. I've stopped listening to it
for a while. You don't make comments about something you hate,
but maybe one time, I could see if you comment
it one time, but to make it a habit of
doing it every single day. You're a fan. You're a fan.
(08:27):
You're a fan. Maybe you don't understand this, but you're
a fan. Did I see you call somebody a groupie? Yes,
I'm a troll. I'll troll a troller, So I don't.
I love trolling trollers. You know some people are like, oh,
you're better than that, you don't have to get involved. No, No,
I will troll a troller. I have no problem getting
(08:51):
into it with trolls because they're not just like, they
can talk crazy guys because they don't think we're real people.
It's like I feel like I can talk crazy to
them because they're not really real people to me. See.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
But now, at least now I've been exonerated on all
charges because Lee and Brady were pushing a false narrative
for years that those were my burner accounts that were
sending me messages. And I kept saying, dude, I don't need.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
There's too many of them. It's not I don't there's
too there's too No, there's too many people that hate them.
I don't and it's too many, I mean, and they
hate me too, But there's too many of them for
it to be burner times, Like that's just way too
much work. Oh my god. I could say if it
was like one or two and you were like building
this narrative to have some sympathetic you know, fans out there,
(09:41):
But no, there's there's a lot of them that that
really really hate your guts. Yeah they light it up. Yeah,
they hate your gut and they hate my guts. So
I'm happy about that. I mean, because for all the
people that do listen to our show, and there are
a lot of them, I get our you know, our downloads,
I get our hits, I get our you know, I
get the data on our show. It's a really successful show.
(10:05):
But within all of that success, you do have people
that are detractors, and they just happen to be the
ones that are more often than not on social media
write and crazys about you or a I've told you
this story.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
When I grew up listening to sports stock radio and
knew that it existed, I was enamored by it. Like,
wait a second, so you can actually do that as
a job and as a career. And I remember listening
to it would be certain hosts that would say something
I disagreed with. Never one time in my wildest dreams
(10:42):
and ideas as a fan, just a fan of sportstock Radio,
I listener of sportstock Radio, did I ever think about
emailing or faxing in a homophobic slur to the guy
on the air.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
It never.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
It never occurred to me. Yet every weekend I get buried.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
It's never occurred to me growing up loving sports talk radio.
Never occurred to me.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
You know, I don't like that guy's opinion on the
draft class homophobic slur, dang F bomb, dang a mom joke.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I just like, what are we doing here? But I
think it's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Keep on coming and listen if it's funny. I have
a strict policy funny is funny. If it's funny, probably
gonna get rewarded with a retweet. Some of them aren't funny,
so they don't get the same treatment.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
But yeah, listen, I think it's kind of fun that
you post them right after your show or adoring the show.
You post them, whichever one it is. Well, we get
them during the week too. Yeah, and it's always on
your on your page. Sometimes it's on Fox Sports Radio's page,
but more often than not, it's on your page. I
(11:52):
think they have like a healthy obsession with you, to
be honest. Well, listen, I wish I wish more people
did now. Isn't that how Dratcula was was able to eat?
By the way, is this is this offensive? Is that
one offensive? I mean got me a little juicy. I'm
a little bit thicker one day. In fact, the one
(12:14):
dude who was insulting us this weekend, he called me
a fat ass, like fat mother effort. I mean, I
am obese, but I am not sue your standard of
fat my guy.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
By the way, the Fox Sports Radio Twitter account did
post a little birthday show promotion and there's a gift
of LeVar in a I believe this is a car
commercial from back of the.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
That is Eastern Motors. Sean Taylor was in that commercial
flight flight of commercials.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, so it's a special day here. So it is
had another happy birthday celebration.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
And by the way, each and every segment, can we
do a different can we do a different.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Happy Birthday song? Is that Stevie Wonder it is yet
it is that songs. And while I love my heritage,
I love being a black man, I just I've heard
too many people do it for their like and they
only know happy birthday. They don't know any other words
to the song, Like do you do you know any
(13:27):
other words to the Stevie Wonder happy Birthday song? I
don't know. It's just happy Birthday on repeat, isn't it.
I think there's more to it. I think there's more
because the song was made for Martin Luther King, I believe,
and nobody and you just proved the point, like you
don't know the words beyond happy Birthday? So can we
(13:49):
not play that one?
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Like?
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Can we play one that's super easy? Like, hey, happy
birthday to you, Like I'm going to open up my
birthday music box and see what I got for you
love our wonderful thank you. Lee's looking it up. Le,
He's like, well, he's correct. There are lyrics to that song.
And yes, I did not know that day for the
late and Martin Luther King. I like it even more,
(14:13):
yes or no, Lee, Lee, there you go, there you go,
sing the words, sing the words. Come on, because y'all
was singing Happy Birthday, sing the words come on, Lee,
come on right out there written here we go, come on,
(14:35):
come on. Oh there we go back back to where
we belong.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Hey, Stevie, what a creative course. How long did it
take you to write that one?
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Jesus? I mean it was for his birthday, all right,
So there's two pros. Nelson Mandela, Yeah, okay, there you go,
he said, Probably Martin Luther. I mean I was about
to say them, I got them confused. I mean they
were both trying to lead their people to treat them.
I'm so glad you did that. If I would have
(15:09):
done that, they would have landed different. I could have
sworn he did it. I'm certain he did it for
Martin Luther King Tribute birthday tribute though, Just so we
don't let that go on record as if I as
if I mixed up Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King.
I did not. There was a moment in time where
Stevie Wonders sang this song for Martin Luther. By the way,
(15:31):
this is gonna be a great show. I can already
tell this is. We're off and running here. But I
would have to have an IQ and a memory to
be able to actually correct me being corrected by Lee
in that moment, instead of just going with it like, yeah,
I'm wrong. Sorry, I think all black people are the same.
You know, I am guilty of making that mistake a
(15:53):
few times there and there. There'd be no real there'd
be no real opportunity to express my my sarcasm or
exercise my sarcasm. You know with this low IQ that
I care you every day of my life. You know.
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Speaker 2 (16:51):
There is a I don't know if this is a
target or a you know, somebody's put somebody else on
notice about how things could pretend actually go in the
NFL this year. But Travis Hunter, who's trying to do
the offense defense thing in the NFL, which we don't
really get to see hardly ever at all, he's got
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his work cutout for him. That according to Willie Cologne,
former Super Bowl champion I guess forever super Bowl champion,
but former offensive lineman in the NFL. He was on
FS one's breakfast Ball on Friday and had this to
say about how he would approach the one and only
Travis Hunter.
Speaker 8 (17:30):
I know how I would approach a guy like this.
I'm gonna test his arfle. I'm gonna see how tough
you really are if you want to be a two
way player in the NFL. I'm gonna see if you're
strong enough to be a two way player. So when
I'm pulling around that corner, I'm gonna test that twelve
on your chest, right, And so for me, if I'm
the TXFL dav wars He that's listen to what the
players are saying. They're curious if he should finish an
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eighteen game season going both ways.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
I promise you he won't.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
They won't move him to one side of the ball
next quarterback and allow him to be the best quarter
they beat, because not only going to have to make tackles,
you all have to go stand.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Getting hit too. So that was Willie Cologne assessing how
things could go for the one and only Travis Hunter.
How'd you feel about that assessment?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
It does bring up an interesting point that I don't
know if people have thought about, because if a say,
a quarterback comes into the league and they're really cocky
or really arrogant, you can understand why there would be a.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Target on them.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Johnny Manzel that it seemed like players obviously knew the
reputation and whatnot, and so there were incidents where you know,
they would take liberties or take shots at him. There
were some people that speculated maybe that would happen with
Caleb Williams. There's some people that think maybe that happens
with Ace Bailey, the guy who you know didn't want
to work out for any teams didn't want to go
(18:49):
to Utah, wanted to go to Washington, and the Jazz
ended up drafting him. Like, if you come in with
a reputation as being a little bit cocky, I could
understand why maybe you would feel like there would be
a target on your back.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
He does bring up.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
A point, though, that you've got a guy who's coming
into the league and is basically saying I'm going to
try and do what nobody else in the league can do.
And I just wonder how that's gonna land with certain
players in the NFL then maybe saying no, no, you're not
doing that on our watch. You're not gonna listen, You're
gonna pick a side, because if you try and go
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both ways offense and defense, you're gonna be held accountable
for it. And I just wonder if players look at
that as almost a challenge. Let's let him know that
the NFL is different than what it was at college.
You can pull that in Boulder, you can't pull it
here on Sundays.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
But he it is what Travis Hunter has done, and
not many people at all, if any, have ever been
able to pull it off to the level that he's
pulled it off at winning the Heisman Trophy. Yeah, you
can't discredit what he's already done and say, Okay, well
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you can't. You're not going to be able to do
that in the league. The bottom line is, any high
profile draft pick is going to be targeted. Abdual Carter
is going to be targeted, Warren is going to be targeted.
You know, cam is going to be cam Ward is
going to be targeted. Like all these top guys offensive
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linemen that go early, they are going to be targeted.
They're all going to be targeted. So I think that's
a for one, that's an overstated type of point to
the conversation, because there's somebody that's going to be out
there that is targeting you, specifically being a rookie, and
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especially if you're a high profile, high draft pick rookie,
somebody's targeting you. The bottom line, in fact, if you're
able to stay relevant as a player throughout your you're
being targeted. That's the bottom line. And even though Greg
Williams got in trouble for revealing to the public how
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deep targeting can go that exists, knocking dudes out of games,
I don't know if that culture still exists in today's NFL.
I'm not close enough to the game at this point
to know the ins and outs on how defensive players
view games, but that is certainly that was certainly culture
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when I was coming through, and when I was playing,
there was always the idea, kill the head, the body
will die. But we also can wound some different parts
of the body as well. If a running back represented
an arm, we could take that arm. If a receiver
represented a leg, take the leg. If you could get
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a lineman out of the game and get him out
of the game, that was just how you played the game.
So I don't find this to be egregious to sit
there and be like, oh, I'm going to check the
twelve on his chest and see if he can handle it.
What pulling lineman isn't going to see if any any
high draft pick on the outside can handle them pulling.
(22:18):
Who's not going to do that. So that's the first point, right,
That's the first point. But then the second point is
which I felt confident about what he said about being
a cornerback when he was first coming into the league.
But the more I've listened to Pete Prisco and other
people talk about it, if you really think about it,
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he's too good of a weapon for a quarterback that
is in a very pivotal year for you not to
use him on the offensive side of the ball. I
would be more I would be more agreeing with the
idea of playing him one way if you were playing
him one way as a receiver at this point, because
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he gives an added dimension, he gives a weapon. If
people are saying that he's in comparison impact wise, he
could have the same type of impact that Justin Jefferson
has on the receiving corps that you know that's what
Trevor Lawrence is needing in need of, then why would
you play him on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
If that's the case, If that's the you know, the
the expectation or what people look at as the potential
of him as a receiver, then that's a dangerous offense
all of a sudden, because Brian Thomas Junior doesn't get
talked about enough. That guy's a flat out stud. And
for all the love that Malik Neighbors gets, go look
at Brian Thomas Junior from last year. He's fantastic. So
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if you've got him, and then Travis Hunter on the
other side, that's a problem. I just you have to
at least if you're Liam Kohen, you have to at
least try it out on defense. If the approach is
we're gonna like because the decordinator in Jacksonville is already like, man,
you can see it his instincts. We put him out
there a couple of times in OTAs or whatever, and
(24:08):
Liam Cohne said, look, he's come to me and said, hey,
can we work with him again today. I just wonder
how they're going to manage this, because you know, Willy
Coloone says the better questions, like Willy Colone saying, listen, man,
you're not going to last you know, seventeen games that
that's not how this works, Like you're not like we're
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I'm going to let it be known that this is different.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
And I just wonder how they may I think that's
a hot take. The reason why I don't think it's
a hot take is because you are literally taking up
two major position groups like you're you're taking up you're
a one for two. So if it's going to be
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hard for a receiver to make it through, like any
receiver is going to be a ground to make it
through because all the running that you're doing as a corner,
it's the same thing. It's going to be hard for
you to make it through because of all of the
running that you're doing. So to double that up and
say you're gonna play both positions, you're basically saying that
(25:17):
your injury expectancy doubles. It doubles, right, That's what you'd
got to sue. It can't be a hot take to
say if a guy is playing taking up two you're
basically taking up two roster spots. Like this again, I
said this earlier on. If the man were to play
two positions and to play them successfully, do you understand
(25:38):
what that means? To me? What that means is once
he gets to his contract year, you have to pay
him as a two way player. This is nothing like
to me, there's no reason to look at it and
not know what the intentions are in wanting to play
both ways. It's not just to be playing both ways.
You want to get paid as a two way player
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when you go back to the table for your.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Second Contract's like when Jimmy Graham wanted to get paid
as a wide receiver and they're like you're a tight end.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
He goes, look at how I line up. Majority of
the time I line up as a wider. This is
totally different, but I'm saying so it's so different. In fact,
it is unprecedented to understand the idea of I'm coming
to you. Look at what Justin Jefferson made as a
top receiver. So if I prove to you I'm a
top receiver, and then look at who's the top paid
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cornerback in the league, it might be is it Stingley or.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Horn?
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Okay, so let's just say, okay, so I am one
of the top rated corners, grading out as high as
one of the top paid corners, and I'm a top
top rated receiver rate it out next to the top
rated receivers in the league, and I'm doing both successfully.
How are you going to pay him? How is that categorized?
(26:59):
Do you just oh, we're gonna pay like even his contract? Now?
How does he he? In theory he is deserving to
be paid for two roster spots if he's a true
two way player. Do you think he can hold up?
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That's a lot. Again, I think it's a You've doubled
the odds of getting injured. Can he hold up? Yes,
for how long? That's probably gonna be the biggest question.
And he's not the biggest guy in the world, right,
but that could work in his favor. I mean, we're
not in the most physical of days for for football.
(27:42):
It's not I mean, am we're not. We're not. You're
not in a situation where if you do things the
right way, you make good business decisions out there on
the football field, that you can't pretty much stay unscathed physically.
I'm not saying he won't hold up physically in terms
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of getting hit. I'm saying can he hold up physically
the amount of running he's going to be doing. That's
a lot of right, And you would assume that they're
going to put Travis Hunter on established being a cover corner.
So chances are they're going to put Travis Hunter. If
he proves out of early stage that he's good enough
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to do it, you're going to put him on the
number one receiver. So not only is he going I
don't know if he's running as a one or as
a two receiver, but if he's going both ways and
he's covering their number one receiver and he's their number
one or number two receiver, he's running a ton of routes.
He's doing a ton of covering of guys, running a
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ton of routes. It's just how are you going to
manage his reps? How are you going to manage how
he practices? How are you going to manage all of
these things that were were a true two way player?
Because in the pros, even in college two way players
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like it's where do you have the time? Like you're
going to have to split time because it's not like
high school where it's like you don't have enough players.
So generally, unless you're a big school, generally you have periods.
You have offensive side, you have defensive side, because you
got a lot of two way players like two ways.
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Playing two ways isn't foreign to football players. If you
played high school football at a normal high school, if
you've gone to a big high school, that's different. There's
more likelihood you play one position or one side of
the ball. But for most people, you're not. It's not
foreign to you to play both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Even just looking at the depth chart for the Jaguars
and again all this stuff changes. We're not even a
training camp now, just seeing Travis Hunters as the wide
receiver opposite to Brian Thomas Junior and then listed now
the backup cornerback to Jerry and Jones, Like just even
seeing that makes this whole thing that much more fascinating.
(30:11):
Like I'm fascinated to see not only you know, as
Willie Colone mentioned, just the reaction, how he's going to
be approached, you know, by by other players who see
him out there, but also how are the Jaguars going
to pull this off? Because if you're if you're Liam Cohen,
now it becomes difficult to understand. All right, snap count wise,
(30:33):
he's not going to maybe want to come out of games,
but maybe you need to take him out for a
few snaps just because he's tired, but you know, he
wants to tell. And then you've got to consider once
you get past the eleventh, twelfth week of the season,
now it's you know where they taught was that that
rookie wall? After you get about that point, like now
(30:53):
you've got to worry about the back end of the
season and it's just him being a rookie.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
I just the whole thing is fascinating to me because
we haven't seen him before I just think the most
fascinating part of it all is if he has success,
if he has great success playing both ways, success like
true two way player, his agency is going to have
to do the unthinkable and you're going to have to
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negotiate a deal that pays him like he's two players.
There's no way around it. If that man is able
to be successful playing both ways, you cannot give him
a contract that's for a cornerback. When he's successful as
a cornerback and you can't give him a or he's
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successful as a receiver and you can't give him he's
successful as a cornerback when he I'm mixing it up,
but you know what I'm trying to say. If he's
playing one side of the ball, you can't give him
a contract. Let me restate this, all right, This is
crazy because I'm confusing myself, but I'm not confused both
sides of the ball. He's successful. If he's successful, goes
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back to getting the contract redone. You can't pay him
to just be a receiver when he's successful as a cornerback.
If he goes back to the table and he's had
successful on both sides of the ball, you can't just
pay him for being successful as a cornerback, because he's
been successful as a wide receiver. That's how I wanted
to get it out. And that is the biggest to me.
That will be the biggest storyline in all of football history.
(32:30):
It will be up there in the conversation of biggest,
biggest happenings in the league in the history of the game.
If he's able to be successful being a true, it
has to be true two way player.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
And that's why I brought up the Jimmy Graham's story
because you know, the Saints here, it might have been
the Sea whoever was he was trying to argue it
for at that time, they wanted to pay him at
the position that was going to be cheaper, and so
you know they want listen, no, no, no, your tight end. Yeah,
but I line up as a wide receiver more no, no
of your tight end. If you're Travis Hunter and you're
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negotiating at that point with the Jaguars, I mean, they're
gonna try and get the best deal.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Like this, even if they're playing him as a backup
corner and they have a starter, or they have him
as a starting corner and a backup receiver and he's
still producing, I would still demand that I get paid
whatever that wage is for that roster spot that I'm
you that I'm taking up when I go out there
(33:31):
on the field. If I'm getting the same amount of reps,
I want to be paid for getting the reps as
a player that goes into the game, whatever it is
that's required, what that costs. I want fear market value
for that. And if he's doing that in two different positions,
on two different sides of the ball, you gotta pay them. Like,
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how do you not pay him? How do you not
do that deal? And what does that look like? How
do you justify one over the other? I don't you know.
I don't know. And to me, that is the most
intriguing aspect of all of this is if he's able
to pull it off, what the hell does the NFL
do if he proves he's elite at both? Is he
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like AE hundred million dollar due guarantee? That'd be great.
I mean by that time we're talking to what three
four years from now, mean, who the hell knows. So
you're talking like you're going to be forty forty four cornerbacks,
maybe fifty fifty sixty four receivers. Travis, we'll give you
a hundred million. We gotta give you one hundred million.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
By the way, we're not that far off from somebody
making one hundred million in a season.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Like we're telling what ad we ten maybe ten twelve
years away. It's two I mean, there's no way around.
It's two roster spots. There's two roster spots. He's taken
up if he's a true two way player.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am East, three am Pacific.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
It has been a wild show here through the first
two hours as we celebrate the birthday of the one
and only LeVar Arrington.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Yeah. Thanks, it's a shooting gallery here in the studio.
Good morning everyone, Good morning.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
But yes, it's been a it's been a fun and
vibrant show here through the first couple of hours. We
even talked about a potential gambling scandal in the NBA, uh,
the one with Malik Beasley who apparently is under investigation.
This according to we'll go ahead and reset this because
there's been further evidence that has come out here, which
(35:58):
is what we kind of speculated on. But according to
Sham Shrani at ESPN, the US District's Attorney's office is
investigating the Pistons Guard on allegations of gambling related to
NBA games and prop bets from the twenty twenty three
to twenty twenty four season when he played for the Bucks.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
They've looked into this.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
According to there's one prominent US sportsbook that detected unusually
heavy betting interest on Beasley's stats beginning around January twenty
twenty four. A gambling industry source told ESPN's David Purdam. Now,
they pointed to a game on January thirty first of
twenty twenty four in which a lot of money came
(36:38):
in on the under of two and a half rebounds
from the league Beasley, and it skewed the line. The
under didn't hit. All those bets lost, so the over
actually hit in the second quarter. So you look at that,
and you and I were kind of speculating, there's got
to be more to this, because this is not enough
for me to go, Okay, well, we got this is
(37:01):
a big to do and the NBA needs to step
in and do something. But the fact that this story
came out, we wondered was there more to it? And
people have started going down the rabbit hole and finding
video clips of Malik Beasley, and there's one in particular
where there's a rebound he picks up off a free throw.
(37:23):
The Bucks are down by nine, and he gets the
rebound in a game that's over, the clock is winding
down and goes coast to coast and dunks it with
no time remaining, And the points spread was eight and
a half, and so you're looking at that going hmm,
did he have his team plus eight and a half
(37:45):
And that's why he took the ball and went coast
to coast when nobody would ever do that. Nobody would
ever eight and a half. And they won by eight. Well, no,
they won by seven. Oh, they won best so that
they hit the under. Yeah, so the lead bet on
hitting the under.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
The lead was nine. He got the reound, Okay, got you,
got you, gotcha, and so got you. But but this
is this is what I'm wondering, because the rebound prop
bet that this sort of soft tossed to us isn't
enough for me to freak out about it. But stuff
like that would be if it's impacting the games, and
(38:19):
it's impacting the outcome of the games as it applies
to the total hold the teams, that's different. That's different.
I mean, the rules are the rules. If he's breaking
the rules and he's betting on himself and and he's
trying to hit the overs and unders on how many
rebounds and assists that he gets, then punish him and
(38:40):
keep it moving. But if he is altering games and
in a way where it impacts the reputation of yeah,
he's pushing that ball down and the game is over.
He pushed this, Yeah, you should have walked it up
and gave it to the referee, But he pushed it
coast to coast. And I stand that was when he
(39:02):
was with the Timberwolves, not the Timberwolves. Yeah, I just
you know, I don't think there's any room for for that.
If you're if you're impacting game in a manner that
that destroys the integrity of what the game represents, that
has to be addressed.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
It's just it's either that or NBA fans just aren't
used to seeing players give effort all game, and so
they're not used to give effort on the very final
play of the game place and you got the game
one place till the last.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
You're going to lose the game. You're down what you're
down by two? Yeah, you're still losing. Yeah, but you
lost by under the spread, right, You're still going to lose.
But that's why I just think there's more to this.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
I I don't I don't buy the whole This was
a nice, a nice little soft toss by the NBA
to report that, oh what was for a prop bet
on rebounds?
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Okay? But why was Why is there an investigation into it?
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Right?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Like an investigation into this? Why is his attorney already
giving a statement afterwards? I mean we're talking like this
is the USDA's office that's investigating this. You've got, you know,
a US sports book and at least one of them.
This is multiple sources on ESPN talking to both of
(40:26):
those entities. You've got his attorney coming out with a statement.
All of this on the brink of free agency when
he was expected to sign a new free agent deal.
And I just I think what the NBA did and
what ESPN did is they threw out and it's you know,
just wanted everybody to know they're investigating this. It's a
prop bet because I think that there's more to this,
(40:47):
and I think there's more coming to this story.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
And when you say more egregious from him or from
others from him, like and like not passing the ball
to a guy so that they don't get the stat
line that they deserved. Like when you say more egregious,
what do you mean? Well, is he putting icy hot
(41:10):
in somebody's jockstrap and they can't play in the game now?
Speaker 2 (41:14):
So Johntay Porter, when he got popped. Amongst the details
on his violations and when people really caught wind of
him doing some funny stuff is when their money came in.
I believe there might have even been text exchanges where
(41:34):
he bet on or a lot of money came in
on the under of him shooting threes or point totals
or something along those lines. He checked into a game
and then checked out shortly afterwards, complaining of an eye injury.
Well guess what he played? Those bets count and that
those bets hit like that that's a smoking gun. Yeah this,
(41:58):
well you listen, he bet you know, a lot of
money came in on under two and a half rebounds
and those bets didn't hit. So what's I mean, what
you know? But at least he's being investigated. I wonder
if this is also the NBA maybe using him as
a scapegoat. He's about to sign a big money deal
in free agency that's about to happen. I wonder if
(42:21):
this is the NBA saying, hey, this guy's already had
a run in before. He got suspended like eleven twelve
games a couple of years ago for a guns charge,
and this has already been an issue with him before,
and now we've got gambling allegations. Just so everybody knows
this guy was on the brink of free agency about
(42:43):
to get a big money deal, maybe the NBAS make
an example of him and letting the rest of the
league know, in so many words, if anybody else is
doing this, cut the crap now, because this is going
to cost him a ton of money and the rest
of his career. So if anybody else is doing this,
cut the crap now. And I wonder if Maligue Beasley
(43:06):
is being is being the scapegoat here and the example
of the NBA letting their players know, hey, friendly reminder,
this can cost you everything, Like it's about to cost
this guy.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
If you need this type of reminder at this point
in your career, it's already too late. You're not going
to be He's you know, Beasley's not going to be
a deterrent to those who can't control themselves at this
point in their life. So if you're trying to make
(43:39):
him an example, good luck with that. Those who are
going to mess up are going to mess up, and
you know, you can make this as harsh a penalty
as you want to make it. Again, Now, if that's
Lebron James, that's different. That's different. If it's if it's
(44:02):
a big name player. See when you spank a little player,
it's like, Okay, he shouldn't have got caught, But that
hasn't got anything to do with me. I'm gonna just
keep doing me. But when you get somebody of influence, like,
(44:24):
how many times have we seen somebody get popped of influence,
like of real stature and status get popped for any
of these types of accusations. Pete Rose, Okay, how long
ago is that we have we had anybody recently in
the NBA, any big name athletes in the NBA, I
(44:44):
mean major brand athletes like the all right, Shoha Tani
in baseball, but that was his interpreterpreter. That's not even
And you see how polarizing and how much that gripped
sport News when it was just the translator. Now imagine
if it came out that it was him. That's different. Oh,
(45:07):
shoe a Atani gets suspended for a year, that's different.
To ask you this, if this was Lebron James. Calvin
Ridley is a pretty decent one.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Let me ask you this, if it was Lebron James,
you think we'd ever find out about it?
Speaker 4 (45:20):
No, absolutely not. It can't because it would. It would
destroy it would destroy the credibility of what goes on
in the NBA. It would it would destroy the reputation
of the NBA. And that's that's why to me, every
single time these types of stories surface and they pop up,
(45:42):
it's like, for what, you're not popping James Harden, You're
not You're not popping Anthony Edwards. You're not popping any
of those guys. Pop a guy that that if you
have to sit him out for a year, it really
did impact that team and it really did impact the league.
That's how you set an example.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Well, but I do think, and we were mentioning this earlier,
at this point, if they can't help themselves, it's like
he can't get right, right, I mean, wouldn't you? Isn't
that what you call it?
Speaker 8 (46:16):
It?
Speaker 4 (46:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (46:17):
So he's a guy who And that's why if people
want to claim that this is the issue, as we
mentioned earlier, when you welcome gambling into the NBA, Dude,
just because you welcome them in a sponsors doesn't mean
you have to partake in the gambling of your own games.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
Okay, that's that's.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Not how it works. That's why I made the example.
Like everybody's got a kitchen with knives in it, you
don't use it on a relative. Like you have a
choice in this. He's got a choice, and he chose
to potentially ruin his career by betting on himself in
games or against himself whatever. So like I just I
look at this story and I go, there's got to
(46:57):
be more to it. You can't have me, you know,
get caught up in this and freak out about an
over under rebound total that didn't even hit by the
second quarter and lost all the money that came in
on it without there being more to the story. And
(47:17):
now people are starting to look back at the at
the course of his career and going, well, he didn't
hustle here. He hustled a little bit too much there.
He did a little bit too much of this hm,
He's already had off the court issues before. Yeah, maybe
there is something here and I just think.
Speaker 4 (47:31):
That the NBA. But again, what end to what end?
I think there's gonna be more than if it connects,
If it connects to a bigger a bigger, bigger issue,
I get it. If it does not connect, if it
just starts and ends with this young man, But what
is the old Like, Okay, he he was betting on himself,
(47:53):
he got caught. What makes it any more of a
story than that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Like?
Speaker 4 (47:59):
What's his relevant to what's going on with the NBA?
And like, well, we'll call out referees and say, okay,
we get and understand the magnitude of if a referee
or a group of referees are are interfering in a
way where it dictates the outcome of a game. I
get that, right, we get that. What is the what
(48:19):
for Beasley to be in this situation? What is what's
the ultimate end? What's the storyline here that makes Malik
Beasley relevant in this scenario.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Because he's about to sign a big money deal and
on the brink of free agency, this story comes out.
I don't think it's coincidental. I think it's this is
a friendly reminder, don't mess around. It's going to cost
this guy millions of dollars and it's going to cost
him his career potentially because he wanted to, you know,
(48:50):
fart around and do prop bets or you know, potentially
get involved in gambling on his own.
Speaker 4 (48:56):
Games like that. That's that's what I think. I don't
think that that's for the public determination though, that's a
that's within the league determination, right, Like, oh like for
all the players that aren't major brand players, if if
you're planning on getting a good contract or being in
the good graces of the league, don't here's one place
(49:18):
you just don't the waters you don't get into. That's
more internal.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah, but I think it's a it's sort of a
flare gun into the sky for NBA players, Like, Hey,
this is an issue, and I think the NBA probably
knows that there's more of this that goes on like
they don't have enough hard evidence, but I'm sure they're
probably aware that. Yeah, maybe this is how this would work.
(49:44):
If you were an NBA player and somebody came to
you and said, hey, are you playing in this game? Yeah,
I'll be playing in this game. All right, here's X
amount of dollars, don't know, miss a couple more threes.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
Than you normally would, which is stupid, no problem, Like
why is it no problem? But you but you can't.
But you can. It's just that simple though, Like you
can impact games that directly. But what I'm saying is, again,
if you're making what you're making as a player, why
would you like, you've got to be one silly, stupid
(50:24):
mother effort. I agree to go down that road just
based off of the minimum wage of what you're making
a great like that, And that's so dumb. You can't
get it right. So you can't get right. You can't
get right. And I just and and and let nature
take its course, like get your ass up out of here.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
It's you know, but the NBA has got another, uh,
you know, another potential scandal on its hand. So which,
by the way, I think this stuff is fascinating. I
welcome it at all cost, whatever it takes. Give us something,
give us some more of this. I'd rather talk talk
about this in his actual free agency Malik Beasley, I.
Speaker 4 (51:03):
Mean, thank you, Malik Beasley for giving us a topic,
because it is that time of the year where you
got to figure out ways to entertain the grateful listeners
and the butt head ungrateful listeners that are out there
as well. So there you go. You gotta have some
type of headline or some type of news to talk
(51:24):
about during these dog days of summer.
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