Best of Outkick the Coverage: 08/01/2019

Clay Travis kicks off NFL pre-season and reacts to the MLB trade deadline as the Astros did something the Dodgers and Yankees decided against and Frank Isola joins Outkick to talk all top stories including a new LeBron discussion. Clay doesn't think LeBron should get special treatment when it comes to his kid's basketball games and debates it with his crew and callers. Plus, Clay is joined by former Chargers' team doctor David Choi to break down the most critical player injuries as we begin the new NFL season! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of out kicked the coverage with
Clay Travis on Fox Sports Radio. If you listen to
this show regularly, and by the way, happy Thursday. I
hope all of you were having fantastic starts to your
morning as we inched closer and closer to the weekend.
John Morosy, I feel like we ought to pull the

(00:22):
audio on this. Do you remember my question Danny g
for him, Uh, down the stretch of our interview yesterday,
I said, is there anybody that you think would surprise
a lot of people if they were actually traded a
big name? And he specifically said Zach Grinky. He said
he might end up being able to make Uh, somebody

(00:43):
might be able to make the move for him. And
credit to John Morosey, our Major League Baseball expert, because
he didn't say specifically which team, but he said that
this raid was very possible and as a result, the
Houston Astros have surged as now the favorite to win
the World Series. Uh, they are making an aggressive move.
The Yankees didn't do anything. The expectation was the Yankees

(01:06):
were gonna make a lot of moves, potentially in the
pitching realm or at least attempt to and they didn't
make anything happen. Uh So I want to bring in
the crew here because you guys, I know, Danny g
you're a huge Dodger fan. Does this make you a
little bit nervous? The Dodgers with the best record in
all of baseball right now, but the Astros basically saying,

(01:27):
we we believe we could put together the best pitching
core in all of baseball, and we've done it before.
We know what happened the last time they were in
the World Series against the Dodgers. Did they shake you
a bit? Los Angeles and a ton of Dodger fans
were up in arms yesterday because fans were hoping that
the Dodgers would get a bullpen relief pitcher or a

(01:47):
closer to share time with Jansen, because Jansen hasn't been
the perfect closer that he was the last several years.
He just know he hasn't. He's been up and down.
But the Dodgers do have curious coming out of the bullpen.
They do use my Etta coming out of the bullpen
in the postseason. They have the arms. They just need

(02:08):
the right mindset because obviously it has not ended well
the past two post seasons. I think Dodger fans were
just hoping, look, get rid of some of the farm
prospects and get a couple of arms from a couple
other teams so that we could beef up that bullpen,
which has been the one spot for the Dodgers that
has been a problem obviously, especially in the World Series.

(02:29):
The last couple of World Series have ended the same way,
with the same exact score, and so Dodger fans, including myself,
have been left scratching our heads a little bit, because, yeah,
it's great having prospects, but you hope your team is
going to go all in and go for it. Yankee
fans were hoping the same exact thing. So obviously Dodger
fans and Yankee fans were both left wondering what could

(02:52):
have been at the deadline estoray, whereas the Astros went
all in. Not only the Astros, the city of Houston
is intriguing now for a sports perspective, right there are
a lot of good storylines down there. One what would
just happened with the Major League Baseball trade deadline? Can
the Astros go in the World Series again? To the
Rockets make the move to go get Russell Westbrook and

(03:15):
we'll see how he and James Harden do paired together.
That's a pretty intriguing story to follow. And three, I
think there's a lot of uncertainty about the Houston Texans.
Can they protect the Shawn Watson? Where is their ceiling
in the wake of that first round wild card playoff
defeat at the hands of the Indianapolis Colts. I think

(03:37):
there are you know, I think l A is one
of the most interesting cities in all of American sports
right if you're just ranking uh the cities in terms
of storylines and UH and interesting things to follow. And
a big part of l A obviously is having Kauai
and Paul George and Lebron James UH and UH and

(03:57):
Anthony Davis all in the same place. But you the
Dodgers uncertainty, and then you've got two NFL teams. Uh.
This does a lot of good storylines in l A.
A lot of good storylines in Houston. A lot of
good storylines now from a sports fan perspective in Houston,
lots of big names, lots of intriguing potential outcomes. We'll

(04:18):
see what manifest itself there. But a big move by
the Astros. Nonetheless, now your long national nightmare is over.
Since Tom Brady hoisted the Lombardi Trophy and the Patriots
took down the Rams, we have been sitting around waiting
for football to return, and boom, football is now back. Baby.

(04:42):
I know it's the Hall of Fame game in Can't, Ohio.
And I know there are a lot of you out
there that say, oh, preseason NFL football stinks, there's no
interest in it. I'm not curious about it at all.
And I understand that there are some of you who
are spoiled sports like that. I'm gonna be honest with you.
When toe meats leather and they kick off tonight, we

(05:03):
got the Denver Broncos going up against the Atlanta Falcons.
You know who's gonna be sitting on his couch with
television on, waiting to see what's gonna happen, even if
Matt Ryan's not playing very much, and even if Joe
Flacco is not playing very much, and even if the
game is not very good, this guy, because even bad
football is better than no football. It's like pizza. Pizza

(05:23):
may not be great, but it's still pizza. So I
will be there. I can't wait to see what's gonna happen.
I want to bring in the crew. How many of
you will be watching the game tonight? Starting with you,
Danny G. Will you watch any of Broncos Falcons? Well,
here's a clue. I've been watching rerun games on the
NFL all that work the past few weeks. There you go,

(05:44):
that's how much you are in demand for football. I
even watched the top one all the way through. Yeah,
that's unbelievable. By the way, official new month here, August.
Football is back, baby? Will you be watching dub? I
mean that may be the dumbest question you've ever asked me.
I am literally so happy that football is back. I
can't believe I've survived this long on tennis and golf.

(06:05):
I am so ready. Well, I'm an embarrassing guy out there.
Is the one who's listening to us right now. It's like,
not only am I watching, I set my DVR to
watch it on delay because it's football and I can't
wait to watch Eddie Garcia? Will you watch not a second?
I hate preseason for the only thing about it that's
good is it just reminds us that the real football
is getting here closer but preseason football is a total

(06:28):
waste of time. I agree that it's total waste of time.
And by the way, I think is it today that
the NFL p A in the NFL are meeting again
and there are discussions that the NFL owners might really
be trying to push for an eighteen game regular season
and as a result, they would obviously shorten the preseason,
but also be giving the players a lot more money.

(06:50):
But yeah, that is uh so, so you see I
watch because I think that that that what ends up
happening from a health perspective is so huge, right, I mean,
And and it's kind of like watching with your hands
over your eyes, like you're peaking at times if it's
your favorite team, because every time your quarterback gets hit,
you're like, oh, man, I hope he's not out for

(07:11):
the rest of the season. Every time your wide receiver
comes up a little bit limp, or your defensive end
uh gets his legs cut out from underneath him and
stays down for just a hair breadth of a second long.
Getting injured, having your team's top players get injured is
tough during the regular season. It's brutal during the preseason,
and so it's almost hard to watch and you can't
wait for the starters to get out and get all

(07:32):
the scrubs in. But I have to say it is
still pretty exhilarating to know that football is just close.
Will you watch? Roberto totally agree with Eddie there, no,
not even I'm not gonna watch. So but if you're
not gonna watch, what are you gonna be watching? The Dodgers?
All right? So what will you be watching? Eddie? So

(07:52):
do you? Uh? So, this, by the way, is a
good time to hopefully you've gotten a lot of your
sponsibility is done if you're a guy out there and
your wife or your girlfriend's got stuff around the house
or apartment or condo or whatever it is for you
to get done. Because I know myself like on the
weekend once football officially starts, and to me, football is

(08:15):
officially officially starting on August and the game that I'm
already excited to watch is the you Miami taking on
Florida in Orlando. That's gonna be a really good college
football kickoff game. Uh, to celebrate. I think it's a
hundred and fiftieth anniversary of college football, so that'll be uh,
that'll be really really entertaining to watch. But yes, in general,

(08:37):
I understand the reticence to to go all in on
preseason football because you feel like you're wasting maybe a
little bit of your of your goodwill that hopefully you
have built up in all the months that have taken place,
certainly since March Madness. Like, there's nothing that was must
see television in the world of sports. Tiger winning the Masters, maybe,

(08:59):
but not that many hours of commitment, Whereas Saturday Sunday,
once football officially gets rolling, you add in Thursday, add
in Monday. I mean, it's almost impossible. We have such
a buffet of sports, it's almost impossible to not be
diving all in. All right, so appreciate all of you
hanging out with us. Welcome back. Football is here. Rejoice, celebrate,

(09:24):
uh and uh, and get ready for the gridiron buffet
of excess that is soon to be coming your way.
Speaking of that, we have I believe Frankie Sola up next.
Is that right? Uh? And then an hour three we
got a new guest who I'm pretty excited to debut
with you guys. Um he is David Chow and if

(09:44):
you follow him on Twitter, he's at Pro Football injury expert.
What's his a fit pro football doc? I think is
his Twitter handle, But he in real time he used
to be at San Diego Chargers team doctor, and in
real time, based on looking at video, he will diagnose
what he thinks is likely to be the injury situation
of players. And he's phenomenal. He's incredibly talented at it.

(10:06):
And people out there and say, well, how in the
world can you tell what the injury status is of
a player by watching a video? He says, that's one
of the things you actually do. When you go and
start examining a player, one of the first things you
do is say, Okay, can I see video of how
the injury happened? Because it gives you a better indication
of what might be wrong with a player than just

(10:28):
asking them like, Hey, what's bothering you my knees hurting
or my shoulders hurting? Like when you actually watch it
on film, you have a pretty good idea of what
you might be needing to diagnose. So he is going
to be joining us weekly this year, and I think
this is gonna be pretty awesome. We haven't officially decided
what day he will be joining us, but if you
were out there and you're interested in gambling on football,

(10:51):
or you were interested in gambling on or fantasy football
or anything else. Injury status and health of players is
so mad Seve that I think he's gonna give us
information that you can't find anywhere else. He's a great
follow at Pro Football Doc. We had him on once before,
and you guys have loved it. We had him on
to talk about and you can talk about all injuries

(11:12):
obviously regardless of football, but we're gonna have him on
specifically for football season. But we had him on to
talk about Kevin Durant's injury and the feedback, if you
guys remember, was so phenomenal from from all of you,
with the data that he gave us, with the information
that we gave us, and I was like, man, we
gotta get this guy on more regularly. So, David Chow
He's gonna be on with us in our three of

(11:34):
the show. Today gonna be the first hit that he
does with us of what will be a regular weekly
hit be breaking down the injury status of all the
top athletes in the world of football NFL in specific
in particular. So I think you guys are really gonna
enjo him. If you haven't heard him yet, he'll be
on an hour three. But up next we're gonna talk
with frank I Sola. All of that should be good.

(11:54):
And by the way, anybody watched last night we had
Tulsa Gabbert on the show. What a couple of weeks ago. Oh,
she was one of the most responsive guests we've ever
had on the show, uh in terms of favorable feedback
and man, she went after Kamala Harris last night during
the Democratic presidential debate. Wasn't a lot of great sports
necessarily on television? That was an interesting sport Day two

(12:16):
of the Democratic presidential debate. So we will talk with
Frankie Sola next see what he thinks about everything in
the world of sports. I hope you guys are having
a fantastic Thursday morning. I am Clay Travis. This is
out the coverage. Congrats to Houston Astros fans. Congrats the
city of Houston be intriguing sports city for sure with
now Zach Grinky. And then you also throw in Russell

(12:38):
Westbrook and the uncertainty that is surrounding the Houston Texans
as they come into a season where they want a
division and they went to the playoffs. But once they
got to the playoffs, they kind of got exposed. What's
going to happen with Deshaun Watson, DeAndre Hopkins and company.
We will find out a lot of things to follow
in Houston. But the Astros now the favorite to win

(13:00):
the World Series and football is back. Rejoice. This is
outcheate the coverage up next Franky Sola from Around the Horn,
from the Athletic and from Sirius XM. Thanks ringing with
us here on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch
live editions. Ab I would kick the coverage with Clay
Travis weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. We

(13:22):
bring in now Frank Is Sola at the FRANKI Sola.
He writes for the Athletic, He talks on the radio
for US and for Sirius XM, and you can watch
him on television on Around the Horn. Uh, Frank, Uh,
appreciate you joining us. UM A lot of stories that
happened since we talked last time, but I wanted to
start with you here. I know your daughters play soccer

(13:45):
and I started off the show talking about this yesterday.
What did you make of all the debate and the
continuing fallout of the pay for women versus men in
the world of soccer. I know it's kind of expertise
of yours in the world now soccer. How how did
this story shake out? How was it covered, and how
should have been covered. I thought it was very interesting

(14:05):
that the president of you as soccer, you know, he
released that statement clearly to get you know, a little
public support behind it, because if you remember Clay during
the parade, he was on the float and they were
kind of taunting him a little bit like good players
are actually on the float, kind of confronting him in
front of everybody's saying what about equal pay? And he
was like kind of keeping quiet because I think he figured,

(14:26):
you know what, I'm not getting into, you know, a
debate right now during the parade on the float, and
he's because he's thinking to himself, no one's gonna even
though I have the facts, it's not worth kind of
pointing that out right now. But I did think that
was pretty interesting that they have made a larger percentage
of the money. I think that's uh. I think that
part of it is pretty interesting in support that hadn't

(14:48):
really been reported that much. What's also interesting about the
women is, you know, the the US Soccer Federation pays
their salaries, so even when they're playing for these club
teams in the WSL, they're getting paid by US Soccer.
You know, It's funny when they got back from France,

(15:08):
you know, they had the parade, and then the following
Sunday they had games, and the federation took all of
them to not play, and sure enough, none of them
played in the games, yet the fans were showing up
hoping to see the players. That makes no sense. I
don't understand why they did that. Yeah, that's tough because
if you're a women's soccer player, ultimately the World Cups

(15:30):
only every four years, and so that's really when all
the interest comes in. So if you really want to
make a substantial sum of money, you need to end
the National Women's Soccer League to be successful. And you're right,
I mean, that makes total sense that there would have
been a lot of people out there who are saying, okay,
let's go celebrate and and support the NWSL, and then
the players who they had seen in France were not

(15:52):
there on the field to h to be celebrated. I
can imagine parents showing up and thinking, man, this is
a rough deal that we went too. We came to
watch these stars and they aren't there. It's a good point.
We were just talking among the crew about the fact
that the NFL is back, and if you want to
count the NFL is being back. With the Hall of
Fame game, we got the Broncos going up against the

(16:13):
Falcons tonight. Will you watch and I'll definitely watch some
of it. And I did see your tweet I think
over the weekend when you said this would this will
be the last weekend without football between now in February eight.
And you live in the South, so it's a little
bit different. You know, appear in New York where the
NFL is huge. College football probably not so much. But

(16:34):
you know, it never ceases to amaze me. You know,
this country's appetite for football, especially the NFL and college
it's become, it becomes bigger and bigger. As much as
people think the sport is kind of damaging itself and
a lot of things that have happened off the field,
you know, everybody talks about players safety. People absolutely love
the sport. It's incredible that it's starting as early as

(16:55):
it is. But even you know, it's funny play. Even
the storylines aren't really that interesting. Whether it's you know,
guys holding out. Guys have been holding out all the
time in the NFL because just don't feel like practicing
the first couple of weeks in the extremely hot weather.
It's it happens all the time. But even like the
stories of guys holding out have become either bigger. I
remember years ago when Lawrence Taylor held out at the Giants.

(17:18):
Everyone knew there was eventually gonna be back, and sure enough,
I think he showed up the first week of uh,
you know, right before the first game that you know,
seven days before. Then sure enough he was out there.
But the storylines to me aren't that interesting. But people
just want football so much that it becomes it just
seems like it becomes bigger and bigger every year. The
demise of football is people love to report is a

(17:39):
greatly exaggerated Yeah, there's no doubt about that. Now you
are in New York and I'm fascinated by this storyline.
Baker Mayfield, now he's got the mustache. Everything that he does,
it becomes a major national story and uh, he's become
a huge lightning rode. The Browns are an exciting, sexy

(18:00):
team that you could never have said that about, maybe
ever in the history of their franchise before. And then
on the other side of the coin, you're in New York,
which is the media capital of the world, really and
Sam Donald hasn't made news for anything. And the two
different paths that these quarterbacks are on, Baker Mayfield and

(18:20):
Sam Donald, that's kind of an ironic little setup, right,
And does it surprise you how little news that Sam
Donald has made And which of the two sort of
paths do you think makes the most sense? The brash
everybody pay attention to me. We're gonna win, uh you
know our division. We're gonna try and contend for a championship.
Baker Mayfield or Sam Donald, who really hasn't said anything

(18:43):
for throughout most of the time his career so far.
And I think Sam Donald, you know, it might not
be the worst thing to kind of follow. You know
the template that Eli Manning and Eli Manning is incredibly boring,
you know, barely says anything and he ended up paving
or he's still on the run, but he did you know,
win two Super Bowls has have been very good the

(19:03):
last few years, but it kind of worked pretty like man,
because I think those guys have figured out, you know,
you say one thing has become a big story. Baker
Mayfield loves the spotlight. Though he loved it at Oklahoma,
whether he was you know, grabbing his crotch in the game,
planting the flag at Ohio State, he loves that part
of it. What I think is interesting about the Browns,

(19:23):
like Sam Donald's not saying anything, so it's almost not
like he has to prove something. But the Browns do
so much talking, and last year I thought they became
a really likable team, especially during hard not so we
have to admit they are a little arrogant for a
team that hasn't done anything. And then you throw kind
of Odell Beckham into the mix. So it almost seems
like Baker Mayfield feels like, well, I'm almost like competing

(19:45):
with some of my teammates for all this attention. He's
an interesting guy, There's no question about it. He likes
to say kind of provocative stuff. But there is gonna
come a point, I think more so for the Browns
this year because everyone is kind of riding them and
believe it that they could be a serious team. But
you look at their history, what they've done in that division,
the fact that Pittsburgh I understand what happened to them,

(20:06):
but it's still the Pittsburgh Steelers, who are a pretty
competent organization. I just think it's gonna be interesting this
year where the Browns with a lovable team last year,
but now you add Odell Beckham who loves to run
his mouth. They may feel loves to run his mouth.
Because the great thing about sports, everyone could talk all
they want, Eventually you gotta play the games. What about
Odell Beckham Jr. You just mentioned him leaving the Giants.

(20:29):
What's the vibe in the city of New York over
O'Dell being gone? Are people still rooting for him our
Giants fans still upset or they moved on? I mean,
the guy is a brilliant talent. But like I always say,
you know, he was remembered for making this incredible catch
against the Dallas Cowboys on a Sunday night football game.

(20:49):
But to me, it kind of summed up his career
with the Giants and he made his remarkable catch, not
what's taken that away from him, but they lost the game.
And I think, you know, to me, when I think
of at his time here, he was injured a bunch
and he lost the last two years with the Giants,
he played sixteen and thirty two games and they were
four and twelve in those games. You know, he got paid.

(21:12):
And now that he's on Cleveland, he can't stop talking
about the Giants. And when he talks about the Giants,
he makes it seem like, you know, the Giants that
is some run of the mill organization that basically has
been around for ten years, like he was helping the brand.
I get it. They're not on national right right now.
They don't have a Sunday night football game. But the
Giants have played five Super Bowls before Odell Beckham got here. Uh,

(21:33):
they didn't. They didn't play any when he was there.
They played one playoff game, and he was disappointing. Even
admits that he was disappointing. So I just think it's
interesting that he no one is questioned that he's a
great player. But I would also say this, he's not
even responsible for the greatest catch in Giants history that
belongs to David Tyree in the Super Bowl when he
caught the football against his head. Yeah, it's still an

(21:53):
incredible catch. Would have kept the Patriots maybe from being
nineteen and oh, uh the greatest team in the history
of the NFL. We're talking too Frank I Solo follow
him on Twitter at the Frank Eye Sola. You can
watch him on Around the Horn, you can read him
at the Athletic. You can listen to him at sirius
xm uh. Now you mentioned the uh, the kind of
the drama surrounding O'Dell well, one of the storylines, certainly

(22:15):
of the Giants is what's gonna happen with Daniel Jones?
What is the early read you've heard about Daniel Jones,
former Duke quarterback, drafted very high by the Giants, potentially
and probably to be the successor for Eli Manning. And
how many more years do you think the Giants really
believe Elies their guy? I mean, you know, there's a
lot of pressure on the front office, you know, taking

(22:36):
Jones as high as they did. The thing that's amazing
about Eli Manning and no one is questioned that man toughness,
how great he's been. I can't believe that he's still there. Guy,
I mean, you know, a couple of years ago, when
you when Ben McAdoo wanted to replace him, or to
not replace him, but have someone else start in front
of you, Like Manning, I thought Eli was a little selfish.

(22:56):
I get that he had the street going and I
you know, that's great and all that, but in a
losing season, why not let other guys go out there
and play and see what they have. I think that
Giants are being a little misguided with Eli Manning. No
one's questioning that he hasn't had a great run. I
just think it was something that they should have thought
about last year, changing him. So I think Jones might

(23:17):
get a chance sooner than later. If the Giants aren't winning.
Is that how many more losing seasons are gonna go through?
I mean, it's it's time to start looking toward the future.
And I think with Eli, especially in today's NFL, where
you know, the great thing about Eli is the ability
to stand in the pocket, take a hit, not get hurt.
But you know, you need a little bit of mobility,

(23:38):
and I think that's starting to hurt him at this point.
He's not aging the way Tom Brady's agent, and I
don't think there's any question about that, no one. You know,
Eli had two unbelievable playoff runs, but you look at
his record, especially the regular season the last years, it
hasn't been good enough. So I think you know how
it works. Play Everyone loves the backup quarterback, especially when
he's young, especially when he's a high pick. So I think,

(23:59):
you know, the RUMs are gonna start beating for the
Giants to get in and Jones in there, especially if
they get off to like you know, a one and
three started to five starts, then you're really gonna start
hearing it. I mentioned that you write for the Athletic,
and I know over the years you've written for a
lot of newspapers and uh, and you've seen sort of
the evolution of the journalism industry from a writing perspective. Uh.

(24:21):
The Athletic recently announced, I think last week that they
had five hundred thousand subscribers, or maybe it was Monday,
I think it was maybe uh five thousand subscribers. What
has your experience been like writing for the Athletic and
what do you think about the future of sports journalism
in general, especially from a writing perspective. Well, I think

(24:41):
for them, and I mean that's great news. And I
think you know, their goal is trying to get over
a million, and what they're also thinking is, you know,
they're trying to do what's say The New York Times
is where you're looking for a more global audience. That's
why I think you'll start to see more European soccer
stuff covered, especially things like the Premier League, where you know,
you have fans in the US that are big fans

(25:02):
of those teams. So if you're you know, if you're
a fan of Tottenham and you also follow, you know,
the Tennessee Titans, and you're also a fan of I
don't know, Oklahoma football, you could find all that in
the athletics. So I think from that standpoint, I think
it's pretty smart not to have the advertising. I do
laugh at this, but probably I'll probably get in trouble
for saying this. I think when I first started there,

(25:24):
I kind of felt like too many people, especially a
lot of people that came from newspaper, almost looked at
it as like an early retirement job. But I don't
have to be writing all the time. We had a
meeting in Las vegas Um a couple of weeks ago.
It was mostly the basketball guys and the founders all
asked us like basically, you know, people want more, and
I kind of agree with that. Like when I work

(25:44):
for a newspaper, you kind of used to write. If
you're covering a b you're writing every day. If you're
writing a columny, writing three or four times a week,
I think I get it. Like sometimes you need some
time to work on a story, but not every story
has to be some big feature where you're gonna take
ten days to do it. I still think that strong
comment I mean, you're right, commentary. I still think there's
a big there's a big market for that. You know,

(26:06):
whether or not you know you're writing about what you know,
Lebron James running on the court at in a U game.
I I still think there could be feature stories. But
I still think the public wants, you know, strong opinions,
not necessarily hot takes, but strong opinions on stuff that's
what people want to read, and they want to read it,
you know, somewhat quickly. And I think that's what the
Athletic is starting to do. We're talking to Frankie Solo.

(26:28):
You mentioned the Lebron controversy about running on the court
and they got a lot of attention. I'm curious for
you because I know you have daughters who played a
lot of soccer, I believe, at a high level and
have continued to do it. I think about that light
a lot as a as a parent. You and I
are both like Sintilla, as famous as Lebron James, but
also still probably more recognizable given our jobs at a

(26:52):
lot of times sporting events than your average parent might be.
How did you handle being a parent when it came
to going to your your daughter's games with those things
in mind, because I think it's something that every parent
has to realize and decide. And if you're out there
listening to me right now, you know exactly what I'm
talking about the difference between you being the person who's

(27:12):
playing the sport, which is I think what most people
get used to as you grow up. Just suddenly you're
there to observe your children, and it totally is a
different feeling and dynamic than anything like playing. And I'll
be honest, it was like the first time I showed
up for one of my little kids games, I'm like, man,
how do you handle this? You know, like, even though
it's a low level sporting event, like you put a

(27:34):
lot of energy and effort into it. What did you find?
You know, uh, my son also played at a high level.
In fact, it was at a national tournament. When your
soccer tournament in Arizona. Go to Arizona to play a
soccer in auguste. Yeah, I can imagine. Yeah, it's quite
it's quite lovely. And Chris Carter was there because Chris Carter,
the football player's daughter was playing for a team from

(27:55):
Florida and she was a goalkeeper, I believe. And I
remember watching out of the game and he was, you know,
he was calm. He was yelling a couple of things through.
His daughter wasn't ranting and raving on the sidelines. But
you know, if you go to and that's your kids
get older, you'll see, you know, parents can get pretty intense.
I mean you have to watch yourself and you you know,
everyone's gonna get emotional. But I think, like what Lebron did,

(28:17):
I'll give you the lay up on people. People are
entertained by that, all right, if if we could look
past the layup behind and the flexing on the silde,
I don't understand how anyone who's rational can say he
shouldn't be running on the court. I don't think that, Like,
why can't they be boundaries for everyone? I just don't think.
I just don't think it's appropriate. I think I think
he kind of looked silly doing and I think it

(28:38):
was like a little too much. I would never run
on the field while while the game was going on,
much less when the game ended. I mean, one year
they made it to the national so they won the
Eastern Regional and it was a big emotional moment. My
son's team beat this very good team from Mesa, Maryland,
which turned out to have like about five pros on
the team. We were excited. We're not running on the field,

(28:58):
We're letting the kids have their one And I get
it at Lebron, I get it that he's happy and
no one's questioning that. You know that, Yeah, it's great
that he's watching his kids play and you'll see this, Clay,
there's nothing better than watching your kids play sports. It's
an incredible experience. But there have to be some kind
of boundaries, like running on the field of running on
the court while the game's going I can't believe that
anyone said that that's okay. I don't. I don't understand that. Yeah,

(29:21):
that is fascinating to me. Um. The question I think
also is Lebron's oldest son, I think is going to
be fifteen in October. And so even though Lebron is
the greatest basketball player in the world, and I would
imagine if you're the son and you're named after him,
it's a pretty cool dad to have. I would also
think that almost every teenager thinks their dad and mom

(29:42):
at some point are lane right, and that's just natural
generational type behavior. And I would think that's even more
of the case if your dad's running on the court
during the game, Like at some point when you're fifteen
or sixteen years old, you're like, Dad, can you just
like give me a little bit of space? Yeah? And
and I also think too, I think he's so used
to performing and he likes to perform and he wants

(30:03):
to be an actor. Even this thing that he does
with like Taco Tuesday, when I watch it, I start
cringing and I can't believe like how corny it is,
and it's like a little bizarre. But he's just like
no one. We understand. He loves his kid, he loves
being at his games. He's supporting him. It's great, that's
what fathers should do. You don't get extra credit for
doing what you should do. But you can't sit there

(30:26):
and tell me that he also doesn't love the attention.
He's not stupid. He knows that when he's had a
game acting like that, it's gonna go viral, and which
is exactly what he wants. No one is knocking him
for being at his kids game and being happy and
showing showing passion for it. But there's once again, there
have to be some type of boundaries. And I think

(30:47):
I don't think asking people not to run on the
field and run on the court, I don't think that's
an unreasonable thing to ask of anybody. Yeah, Like I
was thinking about I coach little league baseball right my
seven and eight year old, and I was trying to
put the lebron and the running on the court, I
think is the thing that you would point to. And
I was like, you know, a kid hit a home run,
you know, let's say in our in our league, if
his dad was so excited that he left the onto

(31:11):
the field and like ran onto the field to start
running alongside with his kid, I think some people would
kind of laugh about it, but it would also seem weird, right,
I think if you if you think about it in
the context of going to your own kids little league game, uh,
and whether it's basketball or whether it's uh, you know,
football or whatever it is, somebody scores a touchdown and

(31:31):
then as he's running down the field, the dad like
runs out as well. I mean, that would be really,
I think weird behavior. Not to say that you'd be like,
oh my god, I can't believe this happened, Like this
is totally unacceptable, but you'd be like, this is strange behavior.
And if you would think that for someone you didn't know,
that seems like it's a fair standard to apply for
Lebron James too. And I also think, like to your story,

(31:53):
like if a parent turns you and said, yeah, but
at least he loves his son and he's here at
the game, you would say, all right, I'm not questioning that,
but he still shouldn't be on the field running with
the sun after he hits the home run. That's the
point I just get. I give Lebron credit because I
think he probably gets overly criticized sometimes, but I think
there's also this like community of people that defend like

(32:13):
everything that he does and like never say well, he
shouldn't do that, like you probably shouldn't show up for
work walking out of your car drinking wine, like it's
probably not the right thing to do, Like it's okay
to say that. Doesn't mean that you hate Lebron and
everything that he's done has been terrible. But like you,
I think that's how the media has changed to Clay.
It's like either all all or nothing now, like you're
allowed to criticize the guy. It's, you know, some of

(32:35):
the things that he does, you know, or a bad look.
I think running on the court during his son's game
is one of them. Showing up for the arena for
work even though you're not playing in the game. I
understand that drinking wine. I don't think that's a great
thing either. You know, you want to kill me for
saying that. That's that's how That's what I believe. Outstanding
stuff is always Frank I solo, watch him on Around
the Horn, read him at the Athletic, listen to him
on serious exam. We'll talk to him again soon. Be

(32:57):
sure to catch live editions about kick the coverage with
claych of this weekdays at six am Eastern three a
on Pacific. A couple of big stories that we are
tracking out there. The Major League Baseball trade deadline has
officially uh come and gone, and the Houston Astros made
the biggest move of all. This expectation was that the
Yankees may need to add some pitching help. Well, the

(33:19):
Astros did it instead. This is now the Astros starting rotation.
As we roll through. You've got Justin Verlander, who obviously
is a first ballot Hall of Famer, has been extraordinary.
You've got Zach Rinky, who is thirty five years old
this year with an e r A of two point
nine pretty solid. You've got Garrett Cole who is sitting

(33:41):
at twelve and five with an e r A under
three as well. That's three different pictures with an e
r A under three. Then he got Wade Miley who
has an e r A of just over three. And
then the expectation is probably that it's gonna be Brad
Peacock when he comes back from the injured list. I
believe he'll be back. But that's a pretty incredible starting

(34:03):
five right now for the Houston Astros that catapults them
to the favorites, according to the oddsmakers, to win another
World Series. Big move again for a thirty five year
old Arizona Diamondbacks former pitcher who now has become a
Houston astro, and that is going to likely make them
uh tough to beat when it comes to the postseason,

(34:25):
assuming everybody stays healthy. So that's where we are with
the Major League Baseball trade deadline. If you listen to
this show, props to John Morosi who said that Grenky
might well be on the trading block and that he
would be a guy I believe we have a cut
of him saying that on the show yesterday. I asked him, Hey,
is there a guy out there that you think might

(34:46):
make a might be moved that would shock a lot
of baseball fans And he said, this else is out
there that could make people by four o'clock Eastern look
down at their phones or look at television as the
news breaks and their jaws kind of drop. That Greening
could move. That That that's one that's probably a surprise
to a lot of fans. Uh. He's been mentioned a
little bit though, big contracts, hard mo movement. But I

(35:07):
would say teams that have a thin farm system, but
but an interest in taking on a salary like the Angels,
the Astros and the Phillies. Watched them very carefully. Wowtros,
that's pretty good. That's pretty good for John Morosi to
to have nailed that, you know, about ten hours before
the Major League Baseball trade deadline. Because when this story broke,

(35:30):
you know, everybody's phone immediately blew up from a perspective
of baseball fans. And yesterday we had John morosy on
i think an hour three of the show and that
was that was the hell of the prediction. Braves made
by the way uh moves as well that could that
could help them, But the Dodgers, the Yankees, a lot

(35:51):
of teams that were anticipated to to be making moves
stay pat. So that is the latest on the Major
League Baseball trade deadline. Roughly what games on average remaining
fifty games for some teams remaining in the season, and
now everybody has to roll with what they've already got
as well. The Hall of Fame game is tonight. Uh

(36:13):
NFL returns the Denver Broncos. Have they officially said whether
Joe Flacco is gonna play tonight, will this be his debut?
For the Broncos. Anybody know on the show. I haven't
heard whether he will take the field at all, because
sometimes in this Hall of Fame game, because it leads
to teams playing five preseason games, they don't even trot
out the starters at all. Drew Lock obviously is on

(36:36):
the Denver Broncos, and that is a storyline that I
think is very intriguing to follow. UH is where whether
Drew Lock will be looking like the quarterback of the
future for the Denver Broncos down the stretch. He'll probably
get some snaps, probably get into early read on him.
Second round pick air apparent to Joe Flacco, but Flacco
believes he still has a lot of time left in

(36:59):
his career. And then Obvio Slee on the other side,
Matt Ryan, who the Falcons had a pretty disappointing UH performance,
will see UH this past season. Whether with better health
UH in the secondary in particular, but on defense specifically,
they can put themselves into a position to be contenders
again in the NFC South, as well as contenders to

(37:20):
advance in the playoffs after a couple of years prior
to last season where they were they were very good.
Remember they almost beat the Philadelphia Eagles before the Eagles
went and won their championship. If Matt Ryan gets the
ball just a little bit lower to Julio Jones in
the back right corner of the end zone in Lincoln
Field there in Philadelphia, then we may have never seen

(37:42):
the rise of Nick Foles at all because the Eagles
would have lost that first game potentially in the playoffs,
that divisional round game that the Atlanta Falcons could have won. Uh.
And we're not able to do just a couple of
years ago. So anybody know on Flacco and has their
beneficial word about his performance or non performance. To days ago,
it was reported that both Ryan and Flacco will sit out. Okay,

(38:04):
so both of the starters out. I mean, that's not
uncommon when you look at the preseason when teams are
playing five games, and I think, honestly, that's one of
the reasons why the NFL p a UH in the
NFL have to get this thing resolved, because I think
what you're gonna start to see more and more is
teams just sitting their starters, UH, and particularly the quarterback

(38:25):
position when there's real risk at play of an injury.
Every time you get hit why put your quarterback out
there for some glorified scrimmage action when you're doing all
the training camp work already. And again, what I always
say is, it's fascinating to me that college football, which
has kids coming from high school right, you can literally

(38:47):
be coming from the last game you played, being in
high school football in front of a small, relatively speaking crowd,
and the next game you play, you start in college
football in a game that really matters. For instance, Miami
and Florida are playing on August that is a massive

(39:07):
old school rivalry game in the Sunshine State. There will
be a lot of players on both sides who will
be playing their first ever college football game after having
played their last game in high school. If college football
coaches with limited practice hours are able to bring high

(39:29):
school kids up to college and put them into games
the very first time they make a tackle in front
of anybody in a stadium is a game against the
high profile, high caliber opponent like we're talking about with
Florida and Miami. If that is possible without a single

(39:49):
preseason game for a kid going from high school to college,
how is it that NFL teams, which are often stocked
with veterans and have no limitation on the amount of
hours that they can practice or spend at the facility.
Couldn't be ready to go with week one of the
season without a ton of preseason football. Nobody's ever been

(40:13):
able to make that argument to me in a very
coherent fashion. Again, we can take high school kids and
have them ready to play huge games in front of
millions of people on television, sold out stadiums in college football,
but we can't get guys who are professionals that have
spent way more time with their playbooks and with their

(40:34):
actual practices and the mini camps and everything else. We
can't get those guys ready to go for Week one.
So that's always been my issue. And I'm a season
ticket holder for NFL games, so I definitely look at
the amount of money that I spend. I gotta buy
two different preseason games and pay full freight in the

(40:55):
same way that I do for the eight regular season games.
It's never made sense to me, never made sense to
me at all. I think if the NFL went to
eighteen games, they can just totally eliminate the preseason completely
and go straight in with Week one being uh the
deciding factor, and look, people out there and say, well,
what about the younger guys who are trying to make
a spot on the roster. Don't they deserve to play?

(41:17):
Most NFL teams don't have that much uncertainty of their
roster with all of the many camps and all the
training camp practices that they get, they don't get that
much more information based on these preseason games. So the
preseason will officially begin, uh tonight. That will be pretty
exciting to follow. Okay, usually we do the anonymous mailbag.

(41:39):
Let's go ahead and open up the phone lines. Let
Dub field these on the return of the NFL Major
League Baseball trade deadline. I will solve any problems that
exist in the out kick universe right now. Eight seven
seven nine six six three six nine. All you have
to do when you call Dub is give him your state,

(41:59):
and then in I will solve all of the problems
that surround you, that surround the the out kick universe.
Eight seven seven nine six three six nine. Is that
phone number? Get hooked up? Now, load up the phone lines.
We'll be ready to go. I'll answer some of those questions. Also,
I want to hit Lebron here. While everywhile Dub is

(42:20):
fielding all those calls and getting ready for the anonymous mailbag. Um,
we talked about Taco Tuesday yesterday. I think Lebron got
a complete pass on that. I bet I'm the only
person who pointed out the hypocrisy of Lebron being able
to do a Mexican accent and how if an Asian,
Hispanic or white person uh did a black accent while
celebrating a stereotypically uh black food whatever you want to

(42:42):
call that, like tacos are from Mexico. Nobody other than
me even raise that. Lebron gets a pass because he's
a social justice warrior, and uh, when you're a social
justice warrior, you're able to be a hypocrite as long
as you're on the quote unquote right side. But I'm
curious what you guys think. Um, Roberto, I know you
have a daughter. She's so young, she's not playing sports yet.

(43:03):
This turned into a big flash point because Jason Whitlock
talked about it on his show, and frankly, because there's
not a ton of actual sports news. Lebron at his
a AU game, running on the court while the game
was still going on that that's probably the only thing
that I would point to and look, there's so many
people out there that want to praise Lebron when he

(43:24):
does things that are just basically good dad things like oh,
he's going to watch his kid play Yeah, Like okay,
Like you're kind of an ass if you're a dad
and you don't go watch your kid play sports. And
we were living this era where we praise people oftentimes
if they're celebrities for doing things that are just basically

(43:47):
human decent things to do. Right, Oh, Lebron goes to
watch his kids play their their little league games, they're
a AU games or whatever. Okay, so you give him
credit for that. Like how many dads if you're a
dad out there and you're listening to me right now,
and you're not going to watch and I mean every
single event, right Because people have jobs, you have responsibilities.

(44:10):
But if you're not going to the majority of your
kids sporting events, then you're being a jerk. In my opinion,
you're not being very supportive of your children. So I'm
not big on giving people credit for things that you
should be doing. Who like, oh, I pay my mortgage
every month, Okay, that's why that when you took the

(44:34):
loan out on your house to pay your mortgage every month.
I've got a job and I work hard. Okay, that's
literally what you should be doing. I provide for my family. Okay,
that's the job of a dad and a mom. Oftentimes
we spent a lot of time, especially with celebrities, giving

(44:54):
them credit for things that aren't actually that impressive and
in fact should be the standard. So my kid comes
home and he says, hey, I got all a's and
b's on my report card. Good, that's what you should
be doing. I don't ever want to see a C.
That's my standard for how my kids should do on

(45:16):
his report card. Doesn't mean I don't say, hey, nice job,
but I'm not gonna throw a parade because my kid
doesn't get a C. I want him to be above
average in his academic performance. I want to be above
average in my performance as a dad, and the bare
minimum average to me is yeah, I showed up and
I watched my kid. But the thing that is funny,

(45:39):
and Frankie Solo brought this up an Hour one, it
definitely is is worth discussing. It's okay to criticize Lebron
for running on the court, or even to criticize him
for doing the layup line. That's kind of weird, right,
You're gonna do the layup line for your fourteen year
old team, who are like, well, those kids love Lebron

(45:59):
James interacting with him, Well, he can interact with him
without it being during a game, Like he can go
play basketball with that entire team without there being an
audience of people. They're watching him And I don't know
what Lebron's son thinks, but he's turning fifteen in October.
Most teenagers, it doesn't matter how badass your dad is.

(46:22):
They get embarrassed by dad. Barack Obama talked about that
the president of the freaking United States. You would think
that Sasha and Malia would have been like, this is
everything my dad does is amazing. He's the president of
the United States. You know what they thought, My dad's embarrassing.
You know why they thought that because Obama is probably

(46:43):
a pretty good dad, because he is just a dad
to them. Doesn't matter how successful he is, doesn't matter
that he's a leader of the free world. He's just dad.
He's dorky, he probably makes dad jokes. They think he's
awkward at times. They don't really want him to meet
their boyfriends. I bet fifteen year old Lebron James Jr.

(47:05):
Brawny they call him. I bet he thinks his dad's
kind of dorky. I bet he watches those Taco Tuesday
videos and he thinks his dad is corny. That's normal
to be a teenager. So dad being in the layup
line doing super dunks a little bit weird. Okay, it's
still a little bit weird. Saw Doug Gottlieb talked about that. Yeah,

(47:27):
a little bit weird. But running on the court while
the game is still going on, that's just super weird.
I mean, I coached little league baseball. If you have,
if we have a kid hit a home run, and
it happens every now and then, kid hits a home
run in the league, gets to jog the basis, if
one of the parents ran on the field to congratulate

(47:49):
their kid while he was jogging around the bases, that
would be weird. Not criminal behavior, not like insanely uh
and insane insanely unacceptable, but a little bit weird. And
I say that as somebody who coaches little league baseball, right,
I don't think there's anybody out there who would who
would see that and think that would be weird. If

(48:12):
your son makes a great play in a basketball game
and you run out on the court while the basketball
game is still going on at any arena or court
in America, that's weird too. Again, not criminal behavior, not
totally unacceptable, but weird. I think your eyebrows would go

(48:33):
up if somebody made a great play in a basketball
game that you were watching and then a parent ran
on the court while the game was still going on
to celebrate that play. I think you would think, man,
you're a grown ass man, what are you doing run
on the court. I think if uh, this happened in hockey,

(48:54):
certainly be ridiculous. If it happened in football, be ridiculous.
I mean, the Hank Aaron home run is marred, most
people think because random strangers ran on the field to
jog alongside of Hank Karen So, I don't think there's
anything wrong with saying, hey, when an athletic event is

(49:17):
going on and you are not playing, you should stay
on the sidelines. In fact, that's the rule for pretty
much every sport everywhere. And Lebron James can be exuberant,
he can be excited, but do you guys not agree
with me that it would be strange. Danny J. You coached.

(49:37):
You don't have any kids yet, but you coached a
little league. Wouldn't you think it was weird if one
of the parents, one of your kids when you were coaching,
had run on the field while the game was going
on to celebrate a play. Yeah, I would think it
was weird. But if it was Cody Bellinger and his son,
I I just still think it would be super weird.
I don't care. But I think what's being over analyzed

(49:57):
just a little bit, because when I saw the light
of this, I just kind of thought it was cool.
That's all I thought. And now I've been hearing everybody
just dig into it, and look, I get it. It's
the old Chris Rock thing where when you do what
you're supposed to be doing what he says famous line,
what do you want a cookie, you're supposed to pay
your bills. Okay, I get it, But there are so

(50:19):
many athletes out there who we know are deadbeat parents.
But I don't even think that that's necessarily true from
a perspective to defend athletes, Really, you don't you haven't
heard the story, certainly, kids by five different women. There
are certainly athletes that are not very good parents, But
I don't think as I think that athletes buy and

(50:41):
large statistically would be more likely to be good parents
than the nation as a whole would be. I know,
we focus on the ones that aren't because it's a storyline,
and we tend to focus on negativity more than we
do positivity. But for instance, defending athletes, people say, oh,
you know, like NFL players, you know, beat uh have

(51:02):
domestic violence incidents at way too frequent of rates. Right,
I mean that's a common discussion point, common complaint. Uh,
But NF NFL athletes have way less domestic violence rates
than soldiers and police officers do. Right. Partly that's a
function of wealth, because the more money you have, the

(51:24):
more flexibility you typically have with your schedule, the more
ability you have to go to games. So I think
the majority of athletes who have children in this country,
the vast, vast majority, are showing up at their games. Um.
And I just think if you run on I look,
I coach little league baseball in a community where there

(51:47):
are tons of famous people who are in the entertainment
industry whose kids are in our league, right, Like I
live in an area of Nashville where there are tons
of people who are singers, songwriter, actors, actresses. We have
a huge population, much like people who might live in
l A or New York or whatever, and a lot
of those parents will come to the games, right like,

(52:10):
for instance, uh, my kid regularly plays against Luke Bryant's kid,
um and uh. And if we were playing Little League
and Luke Bryant's kid hit a home run, Luke Bryant
is insanely famous. Right. If Luke Brian then ran on
the field to run around the bases with his son,

(52:31):
I would think it was super weird. Not that it's
a bad thing, not that he had done anything wrong,
not that it's some sort of criminal behavior. But I
think almost every parent who was there would be like,
this is super weird. And Luke Brian is a huge celebrity. Right.
I am low level celebrity, very low level celebrity. But

(52:52):
in the gym when my kids playing, you know, low
level basketball, there's a huge percentage of people that would
know who I am. When my kid makes an awesome
move in basketball and does something great, if I ran
on the court to celebrate it with him, while the
game was still going on. Everybody in that gym, I

(53:12):
think justifiable. You would be like, what the hell are
you doing, dude? The game is still going on, So
I don't believe that the person this is this isn't
I think. Did he run on the court? I mean
he jumped up and he flexed, he lost his shoe,
and he ran on the court, But he didn't run
and like hug his kid. I mean, hene line. I

(53:34):
kind of was like, that's a little strange. Line is weird. Hey,
I'll admit that was a little strange to me, But
still I didn't even over analyze that. But when he
got up and flexed because his kid dunked, really the
only reaction I had was, dang, his kid's going to
be a beast. That's the only thing. Again, if you
react at a sporting event off of the field, it's

(53:54):
funny to me because the same people who are defending Lebron.
The minute that anybody touches the work or the field
in any kind of college or pro sport, you're like,
that person needs to be tackled and arrested. Right, Um,
it's not your place to be on the field or
the court. It just isn't, and so I don't think
the standards should be different for Lebron because he happens

(54:17):
to be great playing basketball, just like I don't think
the standards should be different. I'm just using Luke Bryant
as an example. We talked about this in My Wins
and Lost his podcast with Kirk curb Street. Like Kirk
curb Street is the most He's the face of college football.
His kids play high school football and they were pretty good,
and they were contending for state championships all year. Imagine
the reaction if Kirk curb Street, because his kids make

(54:39):
a great play, suddenly runs on the football field while
the game is going on to celebrate with his kids.
I think everybody be like, dude, what in the world
are you doing. They wouldn't be like, Oh, he's Kirk
curb Street. He's the face of college football. He should
be able to run on any football field and celebrate
any time he wants to know. Maybe we need to
open up phone lines about this. Eight seventh having six

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three six nine. What do you think, Roberto, You got
a kid. I mean she's young, she hasn't started playing
sports yet. But didn't it seem a little bit weird
to you or no, Yeah, when he got in the
layup line and that's too much. Uh, the part where
he was like flexia, it's the only thing. The only
thing that I would say is the one that shouldn't
happen period, is he shouldn't go on the court while

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the game is going on. The layup line is a
little bit weird. Um, there's not anything wrong with it necessarily.
I just think if I'm a fifteen year old like
his son is about to be, he'd probably rather just
be out there with his teammates than have his dad
doing dunks. And then you don't want to take the
tension away from your kid. Also, yeah, well everything yea
Lebron does. Yeah, exactly. What about you, Eddie Garcia, what

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do you think about this? Yeah? I think you. I
thought it was all a little weird. I mean for
a guy and I it's hard to you know, criticize
someone who's enthusiastic about something his son does. But at
the same time, for a guy who's played an nb
A finals and he's been at the heights of sports
to react like that to uh, even a great dunk

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by your kid, and just a little over the time.
I don't even have any problem with the reaction if
he's on the sideline. In the credit we're talking talking
about him running on the floor and running on the
flopping off and all that stuff. It's like your your
first you're thirty five years old or whatever. He's about
to be thirty five years old, Like you know, you're
you're not eighteen, um, And I just, I mean, I

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think it's crazy, like running on again. I just put
it in the context of coaching or thinking about Little League,
like in the way that I'm involved now. No matter
who the parent is, no matter how famous they are,
if somebody runs on the court or the field to
celebrate something that their team did during the game, I
think you'd be like, this is crazy, this is ludicrous.

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Be sure to catch live editions of I Would Kick
the Coverage with Clay Travis weekdays at six am Eastern
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Heart Radio app. We're joined now by David Chow he's
pro football doc. He's gonna be joining us a weekly
during football season. I'm excited about that. You guys were
very fired up and we had him on last time,

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so DR Show appreciate you. Getting up early with a
start in the morning. Off, how excited are you for
the return of football starting night? Way more excited than
my wife is. So for people who don't, that's a
great answer. A lot of men out there definitely can
can empathize with that. Uh So, all right, I'm curious
for people who are out there who do not know you,

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explain what you do and why they should follow you
on Twitter? Uh and as you watch these all these
NFL games taking place, well, I mean, first of all,
I've thrilled to be on with you this season. And look,
if Clay Travis wat me on, you should follow me.
I think that's a very simple reason. But but but
beyond that, I mean I call what I do the

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medical Mike Pereira. Yeah, And essentially I give injury information.
I'm a former NFL team position, so I give insider
and knowledge, not inside information, but about what an injury is.
And uh, you know, obviously teams are purposefully a little
bit secretive, and uh so I can interpret some of that.

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But even in game I studied video for seventeen years
when I was a head NFL team position with the
San Diego Chargers, and every Monday morning everyone else will
be looking at film. So after seeing a player on
Sunday on the film on the field, on the sideline
in the locker room, after an m R I on Monday,
and uh, you know, an exam, I go up and
look at film with the head athletic trainer, and the

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video guys would show us all the replays and we
just studied film just to no more. And now that's
quite useful to uh reverse engineer injuries. And now it's
quite useful to see what an injury is, you know,
before there are even some announcements. Yeah. So the My
Prayer analogy is a great one because Mike Prayer explains
the rules better than I think anyone does. You can

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see an injury happen, watch the video of it, and
oftentimes be able to tell what's likely to have occurred
based on your experience. Uh And and it's actually you're
not saying you're accurate being able to diagnose, but I
followed you for a while. Now you're a really really
high level of accuracy because uh, typically, I mean, like

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you said, even when you're treating a player, you'd go
back and watch because you can sometimes diagnose what happened
to them based on the angle they get hit, where
they get hit, everything else, you can sometimes figure out
what's gone wrong. Oh absolutely, And and you know I'd
be careful. I'm careful not to use the word diagnosedis
medically diagnosed, implies that I'm examining look at m m

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R s and whatever I call it injury impressions. And
why can it be accurate? First of all, when I
was an NFL team position, I'd run onto the field
and I told my assistance, don't look at me, look
at the JumboTron, look at the replay. And then late
in my career there was replay on the sideline and
we go, look at that less for concussions than for
injuries sometimes, And why does it make sense? I mean, look,

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I make no secret about it. I'm sitting at home
watching the game. I'm not trying to fool anyone thinking
that I've looked at an m R or something like
or an X ray or something like that. But if
you go to the doctor because you hurt yourself playing
you know, adult indoor soccer or something, what does the
doctor say to you, what happened to your knee? Well,
you know, I was running and I planted. I felt

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the pop I got hit on the outside. Well, that's
the video. So that's the history of the injury. That's
why it can be helpful. And so it's not a
Carney trick, it's not magic. It's using medical information and
then uh looking at and quite honestly, the other thing
that I said I do do Clay is you read
between the lines in terms of what the coach is saying,
what the team is saying, etcetera. For example, Matt Naggie

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this year said, uh uh, you know Mr Bisky would
play on Thanksgiving, etcetera the national media, and I wrote
an article saying that he wouldn't because you looked at
the video and it was a throwing shoulder and the
way that it was externally rotated, it was a capsuler stretcher.
There's no way that you're gonna play with that, and
he missed a couple of weeks. It's never a hundred
percent accurate. But if you're getting audited by the I

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R S, do you want a good accountant or hopefully
a good accountant that used to be an I R
S agent And I'm kind of the former I R
S agent. That's a good analogy as well. We're talking
to David Chow follow him on Twitter at pro football Duck.
So let's dive into some of these injury situations. Andrew Luck.
The Colts are being very careful with him. You've heard
some of the comments, how nervous should Fantasy football uh

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draft easby maybe also gamblers who are thinking about the
Colts as futures tickets and Colts fans in general about
the way and the reports that you've seen so far
about Andrew Luck. Well, dialing back a year, you know,
when there was a lot of concern about a shoulder
at this point last year, there was a ton of

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concern still on Andrew Luck's shoulder. And I said at
the time, I was left concerned about Andrew Luck's season
long injury health than Deshaun Watson's. And I was less
concerned about Deshaun Watson than Carson Wentz. And unfortunately it
played out that way with Carson, you know, having a
rough year, Deshaun Watson having a nice second half of
slower first half, and obviously Andrew Luck maybe a slow

(01:02:18):
game or two, but he really did well last year.
This year, I actually have a lot of confidence that
Andrew Luck will be fine. Look I hear out there. Look,
Adam Schufter is the best. He reported that teams were worried,
including Andrew Luck and Frank frank Reich, about the Kevin
Durant situation, where the quote calf somehow turned into an Achilles.

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This is not the same deal at all. I get
why they would be worried. I get why the Colts
would be cautious. I get why Andrew Luck would be cautious.
Some of that caution has to do with being prisoners
of the moment looking at the Kevin Durant video. Some
of that caution is warranted based on how perhaps the
Colts and or Andrew Luck handled his shoulder issue pushing
through something, so caution, caution, caution. I don't think it's

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anymore than just caution. I think he's going to be fine.
And I don't have really any worries about Andrew Luck.
And I can understand why he wants to be cautious.
He's talked about his shoulder, how he felt like he
did it the wrong way rushing through some things, and
he just wants to be super super careful, which is uh,
probably not a bad thing. What about Cam Newton coming

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off the surgeries that he's had in the offseason. Obviously,
he was not healthy at all last year. What would
you expect for his his availability to be early in
the season, maybe during the preseason as well. How optimistic
are you about his full recovery? Well, you know, Julia,
I always love questions when they come to players, and
I can give you know thumbs up answers. I like

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to be optimistic rather than pessimistic and always delivering bad news.
And I think there's more good news for Cam Newton.
Look is he this minute. He's he's gonna play all
four preseason games. Look, A lot of that is a
coaching decision. I don't know that that's going to happen,
but I think he's gonna have a much better year
this year than he did last year. I don't think
the shoulder is going to act up in the same way. Uh.

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He posted video himself and I think it was a
YouTube channel or something where he showed the doctor talking
to him after surgery. And the key there is he's
regained some of his motion, and you need all your
motion to be able to throw with good mechanics and
throw deep. And that's the best part of the big
of the good news. However, he did say and the

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doctor did say something to the effect of the cartilane
damage was not as great as we thought, which is
good news. But there certainly is damage which could have
long term implications. Maybe not for this season, but you know,
is he going to become a Tom Brady into his forties. Uh?
I'm not sure that that's going to happen, but for
right now, I think Cam Newton is Okay. We're talking

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to Dr David Chow. He was the physician for the
San Diego Chargers for seventeen years now. He is a
on Twitter at Pro Football Docs. Is gonna be with
us all year. Um, what about Derrick Henry. Derrick Henry
in a walking boot right now? Finished I think sixth
overall in total yardage. A lot of people out there
fantasy football drafts coming up. He's not practicing right now.

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Big deal, small deal? How would you how would you
analyze it? Uh? You know, I saw one two seconds
snippet from a cell phone camera as Derrick Henry got hurt,
So you know, calveats there. Uh, there is some concern there.
I wouldn't say alarm, but there is some concern there
for for a couple of reasons. First of all, you

(01:05:29):
know this Clay, but look, I have the utmost respect
for Mike Rabel and if I were a head coach,
I wouldn't give injury information either. So and and in
the preseason, uh, in the training camp time there you're
there's no requirement for injury reports at all, so you
don't have to say anything. So in some ways, small
injuries can be made in mountains, mole hills. You don't

(01:05:51):
know if it's a mole hill or a mountain depending
on what happens because you don't have any information. But
based on that very limited video a walking boot, it
does appear to be a calf string and the cast
string on Derrick Henry is a little bit bigger deal
down Andrew Luck. And here's why. First of all, Andrew
Luck's calf injury started in June. This is something that's

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starting in late July. And Andrew Luck is a quarterback
who probably doesn't want to make his living exploding and
pushing off, whereas Derrick Henry that's what he does. And indeed,
calf injuries can linger and you can have a setbacks.
So I'm not saying Derrick Henry has a bad hat
calf strain in his season is done, but I am

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saying this is something to watch in terms of when
he can get back. In terms of the severity of
the calf string. It is possible for this calf strain
to leak into the regular season. I'm not saying it's
going to I have no idea of the severity, but
it is possible. Whereas Andrew Luck, I think is a
little bit different situation because of the timing and the
position that he plays, ETCETERA last question for you, still

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a lot of entry stin Kevin Durant and Clay Thompson
as they come back from injuries. What should we anticipate
for both men? Well, I think you know they're gonna
work hard to try and get back, but I think
it's gonna be hard for either player to return next
year at a hundred percent for a couple of reasons. Uh,
Kevin Durant, I do have some optimism. It's not the

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doom and gloom from an Achilles that we've seen once again,
I think we're prisoners of the moment there. We look
more at Kobe Bryant that he never really came back
the same way. But you have to understand Kobe Bryant
was several years older when he came back after I
think the six or seventh game, had a knee injury,
so he essentially missed two years. When he missed two

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years in your mid thirties, that's a tough comeback, and
that's what happened with Kobe. I'd rather compare Kevin to
Dominique Wilkins, the human human highlight reel, who tore his
achilles about the same time and came back to have
a stronger, stronger career. I'm not saying when Kevin Durant
comes back. First of all, if he's comes back at
all this next year, it will be well under But

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the following season he could return to the same form. Look,
it's hard to come back and be the best player
in the league like he was, but he certainly could
be a top, top, top player when he comes back.
As far as Clay Thompson is concerned, you know, Clay
plays through everything right and uh he's tough, So I'd
be surprised if he doesn't try to come back at
some time next season. I mean, he always is lobbying

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to play, but to ask him to be a hundred
percent in the game of basketball where you have to play,
you know, offense and defense and cover and react, which
is much hard for an ECL. I think that's asking
a lot for him to be a percent. Now, if
you want to make him a spot shooter towards the
end of next season in the playoffs and sit in
the corner and get fed the ball from stuff, that's

(01:08:47):
not a bad formula. So we'll see what happens. Outstanding
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