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January 18, 2025 51 mins

This week on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys recap a wildcard Weekend including the Commanders doinking past the Bucs. The Cowboys were clearly not prepared for Mike McCarthy to turn them down, so is Deion Sanders the answer? And The Old P, Petros Papadakis joins the guys to reflect on the road to the National Championship and the fires in LA.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Rings, Rating Winn and Jonas Knox on
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
LeVar congrats on your commanders as well too, you know,
getting it about it, getting it done.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Man.

Speaker 4 (00:19):
How does that fight song go? How does that one work?

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Uh? Hell to the commanders, which it doesn't work it
the same way? You know, hell victory because the next time,
the next thing it hits you. You know, it's like, so,
do you change it from braves or do you say
commanders now commanders on the war path? I see that

(00:45):
doesn't sound the same. How can a commander be on
I guess a commander could?

Speaker 4 (00:50):
I guess I could. Yeah, But well a commando can,
but a commander can. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
I guess a baby comes out now months later after
a commando? Does you know?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
UH got to give credit where credit's due. Baker Mayfield
the best Washington commander yesterday. Congratulations to uh to to Washington.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Didn't you take Tampa? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
They did, And it really pissed me off because that
turnover really changed the entire complexion of the game. It
felt like Tampa had an opportunity there up in that
game with the ball and they turned it over and
I was like, Okay, here we go and dan Quinn's
just wheeling and dealing going forward on fourth down. So, uh,

(01:41):
Washington's fun.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
It took a doink at the end to you know,
to get him in, but hey, let's a yeah, that's
a fun team to watch and they are on their
way to the next round, and that you got to
be disappointed if you're Tampa Bay. So it was an
outright road winner there for the Washington Commanders, unfortunate three
point underd and then they go in there and get
it done for those that had Tampa Bay on the

(02:04):
other side. So was the by the way, LaVar was
the last Commander's playoff win, was that when you guys beat.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Tampa Bay, Tampa, I believe so, yeah, I believe so.
I believe so she Tampa and Tampa Bay.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
So if somebody would have told you at that time, like, hey,
by the way, it's going.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
To be that's long.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
The baby that I had the next day, my oldest
daughter that I had the next day, would be well
into her freshman year of college by the time Washington
played and won another playoff game. I mean, we'd say
that eighteen years you know, well nineteen years. It's been
nineteen years. Uh, that's a long time. That's a long time.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, long ass time.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
That's a long time.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
So there was time. Yeah, so there was that one yesterday.
So what was that?

Speaker 3 (02:56):
I told you that Penn State almost beaten Notre Dame
without any receivers catching the ball. I'd say that was
wild too, just wild weekend and sports man wow week
in sports that's.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
All sorright though, represented yourself, Well, okay, yeah, it's a
good year, good year.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
One one out of two, you know, one out of two,
you know it's good.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah. Now overall, what was the big takeaway for you
guys from the NFL wild Card weekend?

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Like, oh, I don't know. I mean my first thought was,
it's kind of ironic that, you know, what was it?
Of all the games, the only exception being the Commandos
Tampa Bay Buccaneers game, which got off to a really
slow start, it was every single game what was a blowout,
with the exception of that one. And I never hear

(03:46):
this out crying for Oh, that team doesn't belong in
the playoffs. They should change the playoffs seating. Why is that?
Oh my gosh, this whole thing sticks. It happened last
year in the wildcard run of the NFL, and yet
we have people like Pete Prisco. I'll just go and

(04:07):
throw it to name who have like they don't even
pay attention to their own sport, and then they can
plain about college football. The whole thing's bizarre. Look, this
happens every single year. In most playoff formats. You get
competitive games and games that lack competitiveness, and mostly in
the wildcard round in the NFL, very similar to that.

(04:29):
In college football, you get some teams that, yeah, it's
not gonna be as good of a matchup, they don't
match up as well, it's not gonna be competitive. It
happens every level, every league. It happens. Can we move
on from this tired narrative and then can we stop?
I'm not sure why it's as bad as it is
with college football. I'm not sure if it's because there's

(04:49):
like NFL purists who are afraid of the ground that
like college football is making up, which the Penn State
Notre Dame rating was not great. It was down big
time from the year before. We can explain some of that,
but I look at him just like, can we stop
can we just like appreciate football and have fun with
these games. It's just bizarre.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
The acceptance to the wipeouts in the first round of
the NFL playoffs is almost grandfathered in, And because we
got to see the first year of the college football playoff,
people think now's their opportunity to bitch about it. It's like, dude,
look around sports. That usually happens when you have teams
that barely made it and teams that clinched weeks in

(05:31):
advance because they're significantly better, You're gonna get some mismatches.
I mean, it doesn't mean like the next round, Look,
Bill's Ravens is gonna be a fantastic game, or at
least on paper it is. But yeah, so it's not right. Well,
and I just I looked at it, and I and
I don't and I love the NFL, but I don't
know how you can take the college football Playoff and

(05:53):
the results of the first round and think that's an
outlier in comparison to other sports. It's not. That's usually
how it goes.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
I think that's a super solid takeaway. You know. One
of my takeaways from watching the games yesterday was the
balance every team that won for the exception, the exception
being Washington. Every team that won had a serious ass

(06:20):
running game and their back broke a hundred yards like
think about it. And in the Texans game, mixing like
was dealing, right, And then in the Ravens game, Henry dealing,
the Bills game, Cook dealing the Eagles game, sakwon, Barkley

(06:43):
dealing the only game where there wasn't one hundred yard
rusher and a real established run with your running back
with the balance of your quarterback. Because an interesting stat
to add to it is that, to me, the reason
why these running backs are doing so well, I mean,

(07:03):
outside of them being studs and all those names being
really really talented running backs, is that you have a
quarterback that's leading or coming in second in rushing yards, right,
So that RPO that as option from the quarterback I
think is really really having the evolution of it. Like

(07:27):
did you guys see the blocking scheme that they were using.
The Ravens were on that kind of like that on
the read of it, and then it gives you know,
Lamar Jackson holding them with like the handoff point, the
read point, giving the blockers the opportunity to get into

(07:47):
position in a way it's like was in a way
I haven't seen. It was new and it was innovative,
and it was scary. And it was scary because it
was getting people in the right positions and all the
back had to do was make the right decision, and
they literally were going to be on the second level
before they saw a defender. And if you're Derrick Henry,

(08:09):
if you're Sakwon Barkley, if you're Joe Mixon, if you know,
if your cook, that is that is music to your ears.
I only got to make one guy miss and then
I'm out. And sometimes they got tackled. But you're talking
about a six yard seven yard game. So to me,

(08:31):
watching these defense play defense, watching them balance it out
with the run and the pass on offense, they were
limiting their opportunities in the passing game because what I'll say,
in the Steelers game, they forced they forced the Steelers
to prove that they could truly run the ball, which
has always been a tremendous piece and staple of what

(08:55):
the Steelers offense represents. Right, they were not able to
run the ball, and it made them a very one
dimensional team and Russ was forced to win it in
the air and he wasn't able to do it. They
weren't able to do it. So it's like every team
that's going to play this, I don't know what we're
going to see out of the Vikings and Rams game,
but it would be interesting to see. The trend that

(09:16):
I took away from in the first round is these
teams that are willing to run the ball, and run
the ball not only with their back, but their their
quarterback is a running back as well, their second leading rusher.
In all those games, if the quarterback is having a
good game with balancing out the run with their running back,

(09:39):
it's going to be some really tremendous games because you're
talking about the running game, which is crazy because we
minimize the running backs anymore and say that they come
a dime a dozen. But I'll tell you this, in
this playoff, every single team that's going to have a
chance to win this Super Bowl is a team that

(10:00):
has a running game and for that and to that point,
they also have a quarterback that can run as well.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
The running back is back. It is back in a
big way. And all those teams that waved by bye
to their running back that they didn't need any more.
Now we're all sitting on the outside looking in at
those guys making for plays. Yeah, and that was I mean,
I look at it and I go The results kind

(10:29):
of played out exactly how we expected them to play out.
Bo Nix and Denver made it a little interesting with
that early touchdown, but even after that, it was just,
you know, Josh Allen and them overwhelmed Denver in that game.
But it's really this next round where I think we're
going to get to see the best the NFL has
to offer. And if you wanted to be honest about it,

(10:51):
we probably could have skipped bass the wildcard round and
just gone straight to the divisional round and just done that.
But I just kind of felt like there were a
lot of Yeah, we knew that was going to happen
Houston and LA. I did not expect it to go
that way. It felt like the Chargers had an opportunity
in that game, and then that was the one disappointing.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
I don't know about you guys, but that was the
one disappointed to me. I thought that would be a different,
different type of game.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
It felt like there was a chance early on for
LA to kind of not run away with it, but it,
you know, get it a doublegated lead. Yeah, just like
Houston didn't play all that well and then you just
saw turnover after turnover after turnover and they just couldn't
get back in it.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Herbert looked awful. And I know that harball offense at times.
Can you know that the way he kind of runs
things is it's not more of a spread it out
thrown around offense. But once Houston got going, they got physically,
you know, they imposed their will in La and I

(11:52):
did not see that coming. They looked like the more
physical team mixing went off. Herbert played terrible. I mean
it lends the questions of really, is justin Herbert gonna
be able to take this team to where they need
to go. I mean, there's a lot of people who
feel like or call them a social media quarterback. I'm

(12:13):
not exactly sure what that is. I don't I don't.
I don't tend to agree with it just because you
put up a lot of stats and get to a
lot of people who are fans of him. Yet when
it comes down to getting into the playoffs, winning the
matter of games that matter most hasn't necessarily been there.
So you know, you look at the three interceptions. I

(12:35):
don't know how much is on him or on the
wide receiver. It feels like it felt like, you know,
a couple of them. You could have said, all right,
it was like something a little different there. But I
still come back to there. There's any questions now surrounding
around Justin Herbert. You know, this is a great step
for Jim Harbaugh in his first year with the Chargers,
but moving forward, if they can't get past the wild

(12:57):
card round, they can't win more in the playoffs, they're
gonna start asking questions about Herbert. You know, whether it's right, wrong,
or indifferent, that's just how it works.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah. You know what's interesting is just like much like
what they did the Rust in Pittsburgh, they did to
Justin Herbert in that game. They forced him to win
the game with his arm I give a ton of credit.
I give a ton which to your point, Q, that's
what he should have been able to do. They put
the game in his hands. They were not going to

(13:26):
let him run the ball. They were they geared up.
The Texans geared up to stop stop the running game.
That's what it was. Stop them from running. Forced them
to win the game. In the air, and you know what,
like you said, I don't know if it falls on
Herbert or the receiver, or if it falls on both

(13:48):
of them, or if it's the play call. I don't
really know. But four interceptions in one game and you
only have one TD to show for it. In a
playoff game where you don't have a running game that's present,
Dobbins was not able to get off, Edwards was not
able to get off. It was. It was a poor

(14:08):
night for them, and so when you look at the
dynamic of what played out, not only did they force
force Herbert to win the ballgame in the air with
his arm through the air and see if he could
do it, but they grinded it out on them on
the ground and mixing which he had. He had one.

(14:31):
You know, he had a mishap. I didn't he fumble
if I recall it correctly. I'm trying to recall everything
that took place. But I think he did have like
a like a messed up play. I think he turned
the ball over or something like that, or maybe didn't
get a first down or anyway. Bottom line is is
that they were able to play solid defense against them,

(14:52):
keep them off balance with the run and C J. Stroud,
I mean he didn't have I mean he had a
decent day throwing the ball. But I just think that
that is going to be the trend that you got
to watch for, is these teams that are establishing their
running game the way that these these teams had Because

(15:13):
I didn't think that Houston had that great of a year,
even though they were eleven win team. I just didn't
think that it felt like the team that they had
last year. There was more to me, there was more
excitement about how dangerous they were last year. But maybe
they're getting they're getting hot on time. Maybe they pulled
it together on time, because I thought that was a

(15:34):
really I thought that was a good showing bye by
Houston in the.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
First round, and that result did give Kansas City a
second bye week in the playoffs, which is nice that
they're going to be able to just advance past and
face the winner of Baltimore in Buffalo. So that's nice
for the NFL.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Though you ain't lying. It is sound offensive, but you
ain't lied. Dang.

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Speaker 2 (16:09):
I assumed that when the Dallas Cowboys stepped up and said, hey, look,
you know, Mike McCarthy, we're not letting you go interview
for that Bears job. We're going to have conversations. I
just assumed that that meant they were going to get
a deal done. And then yes, yesterday happened and Nope,
no deal done, and the Cowboys and Mike McCarthy are

(16:30):
parting ways now. Jerry Jones would have you to believe
that there were no negotiations that were happening. They were
still having discussions about the overall picture of the team.
Others have said no, it was the length of the contract.
Mike McCarthy wanted one thing, the Dallas Cowboys were offering another.
And thus Mike McCarthy has now been thrown into the

(16:50):
mix of potential coaching fill ins, coaching hires, and the
new coaching cycle in the NFL and teams out there
looking for a and Dallas is out there now looking
for their guy. So awkward, ending to an awkwardly run
organization based on every other organization that we see in sports.

(17:12):
There you go, Dallas, job well done by everybody.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
Man, that's how you feel.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Huh yeah, I just.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
I think I look at it this way, and listening
to Troy Aman talk about it from last night's game,
I this can't be the design or the plan that
they had, because if it was, then maybe their top
candidates not Ben Jonson, maybe it's not Aaron Glenn. Otherwise,

(17:42):
you took so long dragging your feet with this decision
on Mike McCarthy that you basically didn't give yourself a
chance to interview either one of those two, or any
other coach that's still coaching the playoffs for that matter,
until after they're done. So the rumors come out that hey,
Deon Sanders has been contacted by Jerry Jones. They've had

(18:03):
good conversations, and it sounds like from all reports, Deianne
wants to stay in Colorado. So maybe he wasn't a
fan of whatever was offered or whatever was discussed. But
this can't be by design because it feels like not
only did it hamstring Mike McCarthy for a little bit,
but at Hamstrong the organization moving forward to whoever the

(18:24):
next head coach is going to be and now you
can't talk to one of the best candidates because while
he's still in the playoffs. Maybe that changes this week.
But I look at it and just go it feels
like everything's kind of haphazardly being done for a guy
who's trying to win a Super Bowl or went hashtag
all in last year. Like it's like almost like they
don't really have a blueprint for how to do this,

(18:46):
even though they did this thirty years ago.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
I mean, at least I didn't have to say they
fired him. You know, it's just it came to an
end and we're not going to ring you. I mean,
I don't know how often that happens. I do think
it was a tad bit peculiar, Like you said, Jonas,
that they did not allow for him to start the
interview process. I thought that maybe that was a foreshadowing

(19:17):
of do you look at it as McCarthy leveraging for
a little bit of you know, kind of I am
a good coach, I am important, I am in need
or in demand to some capacity. So you know, what
are you guys going to do? So when you let

(19:37):
his contract run out and say you're not going renew
him and you're letting them go. I almost feel like
that's kind of an insult, you know, to the injury
of we're not going to renew you and we're letting
you go, you know, and we weren't going to let
you do anything early on either. But it also maybe
makes me start to think tentatively that they did have

(19:59):
an eyea idea of who they may have wanted to
come in and take the job. And I would not
be surprised if it was Prime.

Speaker 5 (20:07):
You know.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
I start thinking to myself when when I saw that,
you know that there was conversations between Dion and Jerry
Jones that you remember that old Nike commercial where it
was like, get me Dion, I don't care what it costs.
You remember that, like and it had the song from
Dallas playing and it was like a Nike commercial for Dion. Well,

(20:31):
those same shoes. I believe maybe it's a different pair,
but you know it's I guess it gives me. It
gives me the vibes of you want to make a splash,
a splash higher, You're probably not going to get Ben Johnson,
who would probably be the other splash higher. And to

(20:51):
be honest with you. I mean, what other candidate out
there would you say would be a significant upgrade to
Mike McCarthy being your head coach? You had him, you know,
you had him on your You had him on your
staff last year, and you let him get away. If

(21:13):
you were going to let his contract run out and
get rid of him, why didn't you just hire Dan
Quinn last year? Why didn't you just hire him then?

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Like do you think there's uh? I don't want to say,
you know, sellers were more or have you want to
describe it, but there is because the betting odds favorite
right now is Kellen Moore, which takes me back to like, well,
wait a second, why would you do that? And hired
him Quinn on his staff and he moved on from

(21:41):
he let they let dan Quinn go, and then they
moved on from Kellen Moore? So how does that make
any sense?

Speaker 3 (21:49):
This doesn't It feels like dan Kellen does.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
The Cowboys are going to try and spin this as hey,
look we've got a plan. We've got to know you
don't like you. You thought Mike McCarthy was going to
come back and just take whatever terms you were going
to throw at him, because you were saying nice things
about him at the end, and Mike McCarthy's like, I've
got options. I'm not going to take a half assed
deal to go come back and be a part of
the chaos. And the fact that you had all those

(22:14):
players sticking up for him, and now you've got Dallas
kind of scrambling and trying to, you know, let everybody know, like, oh, listen,
you know, well, it feels like they've got to almost
get desperate and try and make a splash higher. And
I don't know if it's Dion or if they go
knock on Belichick's door, but it's just typical cowboys wait
until the last minute, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait and

(22:35):
accept this time, the guy on the other side was like, no, man, like,
I'm not just going to accept these terms. I'll go
I'll go my own way and go in a different direction.
And then if you ask a big picture about the organization,
you mentioned Troy Aikman. Aikman did talk last night just
about the overall opinion of the organization, whether it's this

(22:57):
big time job that everybody says it is, let's take listen.

Speaker 6 (23:00):
As far as a coveted job, I don't know that
that's accurate.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
I mean, I do think that.

Speaker 6 (23:04):
I do think the Cowboys are obviously a high profile team.
Whoever is covered or whoever is head coaching of that
team is certainly going to draw a lot of attention.
But I think most football people that take over as
a head coach, they want to do it on their terms.
That's hard to do, so, I mean I just sang.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Good luck, bang bang, good luck bang bang. Now there
was a report that, uh, you know, the conversations between
Dion and Jerry Jones are expected to continue. Whatever that means,
you know, I mean I would be surprised.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Do you think he can do it Do you guys
think he can do it at the pro level?

Speaker 2 (23:46):
I'm not going to down him.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
Yeah, sure, I mean why not, I'm not. I think
he runs I mean, look at what he did this year.
He runs it more as a pro style organization. Anyway.
I think the biggest difference is and not that they
have a big NIO collective and we're paying, you know,
paying players a lot of money because the transfer portal

(24:10):
has allowed them to turn over their roster in a
very dramatic fashion. The NFL level, it's really hard to
do that because you have to have an ownerho's willing
to pay all that money out, and Jerry Jones, at
least of late, has not been wanting to spend a
lot of cash. So I would say that the biggest
struggle is his model of how he's built his rosters

(24:31):
in college is not going to work in the NFL.
But Pat Shermer's offensive you know coordinator NFL style, you
know system and play caller, his defensive coordinator he brought
from the NFL ranks. I mean, his approach from year
one to year two is really Oh, I've had a
lot of college guys. I need more NFL guys. So
there is definitely is that NFL mindset, and so I'm

(24:52):
not going to count them out by any means, but
I do think he'd have to make some big adjustments
with how he's constructed his roster, some of the things
he's done at Colorado, and how that would apply it
at Dallas.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Yeah, I think it'd be much harder to win at
the league level. But I will say this, if there
was a match of energy or a clone of energy
in terms of marketing and selling, I mean, imagine Jerry
Jones and Deon Sanders together because to me, it has

(25:25):
it hasn't been about winning for a really long time
for the Dallas Cowboys. So whether Dion Sanders was able
to deliver a Super Bowl or just win right, if
he was able to win in Dallas, it would be
a major, major come up for Jerry Jones and that
organization and to me, the value of that organization because

(25:50):
they both are masterful in the way that they do
things that that garner attention and and and just get
get people's you know, their interest level up. In terms
of winning, I just think that it would be it
would be a difficult It's it's going to be a
difficult proposition for any coach to win at the league level.

(26:11):
But I will say this, I look at a guy
like Demico Ryans, you know, as as a pretty cool example.
You know, he came in as just a defensive coordinator.
He didn't come in as as a head coach, a
former head coach. He came in as a decoordinator and
was able to change a culture and in little time,

(26:34):
and that team is in its second playoff as many
years as he's been a head coach. So and the
reason why I pinpointed him is not because he's black.
I know a lot of people are probably thinking that
I don't make everything about color and race people really,
but yeah, he is. But I will say the reason
why I made him as a comparison is because I

(26:56):
think the way that players react to Tamiko Ryans in
terms of their relatability and him being a player coach,
I think that Dion Sanders has that in in a
whole different stratusphere. The way that the pros would relate
to Prime, the way that they would want to play

(27:20):
for Prime, I think would be a tremendous difference maker
in terms of what the level of expectation and the
level of achievement would be if he came there as
a coach. Because he's not a gimmick, I think people
should settle in on the fact now more than ever
that Deon Sanders coaching is not a gimmick. He really

(27:45):
can coach. He really is a leader of men, and
so to me, I think it would be an excellent
move if if Jerry Jones was able to lure him
away from from Boulder, Colorado.

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Speaker 7 (28:51):
Well, uh?

Speaker 5 (28:53):
As you know or probably don't.

Speaker 7 (28:55):
I was the usc PA address guy at the End's
basketball games for many years.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
In fact, he used to tell the stories. What would
it sound like?

Speaker 7 (29:06):
Well, what do you what do you want to have
have happened? I mean it's five in the morning in LA.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
If you're announcing the players, okay, we'll just.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Say say, uh, Sam Clancy Jr. Goes to the rack
and get Sam.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
I dunk I played around that time, you know.

Speaker 7 (29:20):
But if it's two points and it's such a class
use him right When.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
He puts it in.

Speaker 7 (29:26):
Clancy and then let's say, let's say Sam Clancy, it
plays for the other team, right and he gets a
crazy dunk, Sam Clancy, Sam Clancy. That's how you do
it right there, Like let me say the USC USC
Sam Clancy. You know, Nick Young, we used to have

(29:50):
I bridged the gap between the La Sports Arena, which
was one of the greatest forgotten arenas in the history
of mankind, which is now gone.

Speaker 5 (29:59):
It's Bemo Stadium where.

Speaker 7 (30:01):
The LAFC plays by the coliseum, but that used to
be where the Clippers played and USC basketball played, and
I was the announcer there, and then I think I
did that two years and then eight years over at
Galen And because I criticized Pat Hayden so heavily on radio,

(30:22):
and a few times he like cornered me while I
was trying to leave and yelled at me about like
stuff I said about Lane Kiffin.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Really, yeah, you don't even know, you don't even know.

Speaker 7 (30:31):
No, he said something like, I can't believe you to
tell this, You're a trojan.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
I'm like, f you get.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
Away from you. I don't work for you. On radio,
rich bastard.

Speaker 7 (30:41):
So anyway, so he Uh, they fired me, so I
don't do PA anymore. And it's kind of a pain
in the ass, you know, to try to to drive
over there after the radio show or manipulate the radio
show to get there on time and all that different stuff.
But anyway, I don't do the PA anymore. I loved

(31:02):
doing it. I loved being on the floor and watching
college basketball coaches coach. It taught me a lot and
that helps me because I talk about sports on air.
But my alma mater, Peninsula High School, almost as big
as USC basketball, not in the Big Ten, but in
the Bay League, is going to play their big heated rival,
Pallas Verdi's High School on Friday night.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah, and they ask you good.

Speaker 7 (31:26):
Palace Verdi's High and Peninsula are both about five both
of them.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
Yeah the boys.

Speaker 7 (31:30):
Yeah, but the Palace Vertie's High football won a CIF
championship this year and they have a really good quarterback,
which is something we've never had on the Hill.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
As far as like a guy that throws the ball.
You know, we've had running guys.

Speaker 7 (31:43):
But anyway, they asked me to do it Friday night,
and I will be there to do the PA on
Friday night and if I ss a radio show done early,
I'll do the girls game as well.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
Hell yeah, good for you, man, that's awesome. That's awesome.

Speaker 7 (31:54):
But the girls aren't playing the PV. The girls are
playing North Torrents. And you guys know who went to
North Torrents High, don't you? I do not Chuck Norris.
All right, well, yeah, the Chuck Norris North Torrance.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
Bitch.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
He kick your ass, Chuck Norris.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah, well, said Bruce Lee. He couldn't beat Bruce Lee.

Speaker 7 (32:12):
Hey, p who you got beat up Bruce Lee in
that movie?

Speaker 5 (32:16):
His ass made Bruce.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Lee look like p who you got in a fight?
Chuck Norris or steven Sagall?

Speaker 5 (32:23):
You see.

Speaker 7 (32:23):
I see the picture of Segall recently, and he's big
enough to eat hay and poop in the streets.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Damn dang.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
I mean he's.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Like put a saddle on him.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
Huh, jus heard him horse?

Speaker 3 (32:41):
He's huge.

Speaker 7 (32:43):
But Norris is really old. I mean, Chuck Norris is ancient.
Yeah when I was, when I was a young man. Uh,
Chuck Norris lived here in Palas Verdes, which is where
I live, which is not the Palisades. I know everybody thinks,
l A, we all just live under the Hollywood sign,
especially now that it's been in the news so much
with all this tragedy going on. But Chuck Norris and

(33:08):
Michael Doudakov of the American Ninja series, You guys don't
know about the American Ninja douda Kov and Chuck Norris
lived in Palace Verdi's and power lifted at a guy's
house named George Zengis, and they would listen to like
belly dancing music between dead lift sets.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
It's unreal scene.

Speaker 7 (33:33):
Wait, what what part of that didn't you understand?

Speaker 2 (33:37):
How do you know that they were doing that because
I was there, you saw it.

Speaker 7 (33:41):
Yeah, my brother used to squat every Saturday there, so
I'd go with him and introduce some dips. And you know,
I couldn't squat as much as those guys, so I'd
have to, you know, wait till they put the weights
down a little bit. But yeah, Duda Kof would be
like in a row with a big Jesus piece on
his chest, all shaved up, Chuck Norris's beards, a philoctu,

(34:01):
smoking a cigar, talking about men's handball. How do you
think I learned about listening to fay Ruse the Uh,
the Middle Eastern singer and doctor John from New Orleans.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Real Psychedelia, Chuck Norris Deadlifts, who knew.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
H Chuck Norris Deadlifting doing romazing.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
He's still doing those commercials with the home full gym
like I did it for a really really long time.

Speaker 7 (34:26):
Yeah he's really four years old.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
Yeah he's an old ass.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Ghat, I had no idea.

Speaker 7 (34:31):
Man, He's a ranger almost as old as Lot a
little not as old as Lou Holtz. And you can
still get attacked, you know, at eighty eight by Ryan Day.
I want to know where Lou Holtz is right now.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Probably a lot of motivation.

Speaker 5 (34:46):
I haven't stopped talking about it.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
I I think I think is going to be pumped
up about it. Yeah, I think that's.

Speaker 5 (34:55):
All he said. No, he said he hasn't patched it up.

Speaker 7 (34:57):
Noah, and uh, you you know, to me, that's still
the greatest moment that was last year? Right was that
game in September Ohio State Notre Dame. There was a
pretty good game. Ohio State pulled it out at the end.
Uh and Ryan Day wanted to kill the the we're
not physical narrative that has always existed because they've been

(35:20):
run over straight up and run over by Michigan three
years in a row.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
Now it is. And Lou Holtz, I mean.

Speaker 7 (35:27):
I can't believe what he said about our team. And
there's like a pause right there, and I always want
to add.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
Here's what everybody else says about your team.

Speaker 7 (35:35):
I can't believe what he said about our team. It's like,
believe it. He's an eighty eight year old man, you know.
But then I look back into Lou Holtz's history, you know,
because Lou Holtz is he knows a lot of fight songs.
He coached a lot of different places, and the first
head job he had was at William and Mary.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
And this is legendary Bobby story.

Speaker 7 (35:58):
And they got beat by They got there forty two
to seven. They got beat by Bobby Bowden in Morgantown
before Bobby Bowden ended up at Florida State, of course,
and they Lou Holtz is from West Virginia. You know,
his family and friends are all there. And they got
humiliated by Bobby Bowden's team. And Lou Holtz went up

(36:19):
to Bobby Bowden after the game and said, Lou were friends,
I mean, Bobby were friends. Why did you run up
the score like that? How could you do that? And
Bobby Bowden said something to the effect of, don't ask
me to lower my standards for your sorry as team.
Maybe if you had more Williams and less Mary's.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Y oh wow.

Speaker 7 (36:42):
So Lou Holtz has mixed it up in the past.
I do believe they'd bear those two. I think bury
the hatchet. But but black Dread Blackbeard the Pirate of
the High Seas of Ohio. It hasn't always been Ohio
against the world. It's like, I don't really think of
it like that. But ever, man, okay, but I do
appreciate us. This is the Brady gold Well. Brady, what

(37:05):
are you gonna do?

Speaker 5 (37:06):
I mean this? You know you're BQ ball.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
Do you mean what am I gonna do?

Speaker 7 (37:09):
I mean your balls are stretched out?

Speaker 5 (37:11):
Man.

Speaker 7 (37:13):
You got one testing in Columbus, the other one stretched
all the way to hisself.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
Benan, it's not I don't know.

Speaker 7 (37:20):
Do you think the Ohio people are gonna turn on
you like they did Herbstreet and you're gonna have to
move to Nashville and bring you everywhere. I have emotional problems.
I got my dog Hey won last game.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
At the Cincinnati because his son goes to San Xavier
who just committed to Michigan, which I would assume you're
you were on board with that whole whole deal. Like
when his son committed to Michigan. I guess he was
upset that the Ohio State coaches didn't reach out to
them to congratulate him. It's like, well, why would they

(37:52):
your son's going to the rival, Like, did you expect
to get a text back from him?

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (37:57):
Kirk wants the ring kissed at all time, and then
he wants you to clean up his dog's poop.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
That dog is perfectly manicured and groomed, by the way, Yeah,
tired of the lies, tired like super super perfect.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
By the way. Did he have that dog or did
he like, uhm, sure he went on Amazon after.

Speaker 7 (38:18):
They got a whole farm of dogs at this point,
you got a lot of dogs. Yeah, you know, honest.
On Kirk kirk Street's wall, you can see that poster
of that cat, you know, hanging on it and says
hanging there.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
How did that become a thing? How did that become
a thing where he's able to just bring his dog
on the field like that because.

Speaker 7 (38:35):
He has like some kind of emotional support issue because
you games a week. I mean, I like my lizard.
I don't bring the lizard everywhere.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
Yeah, well you can now, I mean after COVID you
can pretty much bring stuff wherever you want.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
What everyone You can identify with that lizard too, Petros,
you know you don't just have to bring it with you.
You can actually identify with it as well, and actually
demand that they call you a lizard and a lizard helmet.

Speaker 7 (39:06):
Yes, yes, like that military guy with the dog mask.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
Yeah, I start looking people, I'm a dog.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah, just change you pronoun to reptile.

Speaker 5 (39:17):
So did you guys do okay?

Speaker 4 (39:19):
In Florida?

Speaker 7 (39:20):
I got a lot of texts that you guys were
drinking long island ized teas and things of that nature.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Okay, I overdid it, Petros, really yeah I did. I'm
not apologizing for it either. I overdid it. I went
straight to work. Q found me with my ats halfway
down and you know, just sleep on on the on
the hotel. The hotel couch waiting due to show.

Speaker 7 (39:48):
My perspect me up on South Florida is similar to that.
You know, everybody's up all night. You got to get
somebody off a couch to do something in the morning
and all that. Yeah, uh, people sleep on porches. Those
clubs are open and then the sun comes up over
the beach and it's kind of cool. But at the
same time, I never understood South Beach. I haven't been

(40:09):
there in a long time, but it's always interesting to
me how these towns are not as big as you
think when you watch it on TV. And like, like,
if the super Bowl comes to LA, we don't notice, right,
this town will absorb almost any event. You know, the
Olympics are coming, I hope still, and like most people,

(40:34):
it wouldn't really affect them one way or the other.
The town just absorbs events like that. But I was
in Miami for one of the very few Super Bowls
I've covered, and I just couldn't believe, Like you couldn't
get anywhere.

Speaker 5 (40:45):
You couldn't get from Fort Lauderdale over to South Beach.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
I mean, it was just death oddy. I was almost
late for some pregame stuff I had to do because
of that. Took me two and a half hours. Yeah,
the traffic's there is awful. I'd sits the equivalent to.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
LA you know.

Speaker 7 (41:01):
But but but in La it's just so much bigger,
and there's always a way around it, you know, one
way or the other, and you know, the traffic is
what the traffic is.

Speaker 5 (41:10):
The event itself just destroys these.

Speaker 7 (41:13):
Towns, I mean, just absolutely makes it untenable. So I
don't know if it's like that for a college football
event in Miami.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
But it was. It really was going out there. I
mean everyone was complaining about the traffic and it brought
into question, like why have a seven to thirty kick,
why not ag thirty? You know, at least you're getting
another hour away from rush hour and everything else that's
going on there. But it was, it was an awesome atmosphere.
I think LaVar probably had the most fun pregame league.

Speaker 7 (41:41):
How was post up there?

Speaker 4 (41:44):
LaVar was not as happy.

Speaker 7 (41:48):
But still a successful year for the we Ares.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Yeah, it was. It was. It was.

Speaker 7 (41:53):
I mean, that's further than they've ever been before.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
That's most wins in a single season ever for Penn State.
That's true.

Speaker 7 (42:00):
I wouldn't say they've gone about as fur as they
can go, like in the play Oklahoma, but I would
say that, you know, I mean a bittersweet, like big
Head taught in the monsters.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, fair enough, Petrick. You made a point. You made
a point last week that I didn't think of until
you had said it, where you that whoever won the
Penn State Notre Dame game was going to be the
team that people were rooting for in the national title,
regardless of what happened in Ohio State and Texas. And
I started thinking about it, and there is something that's
unlikable about Ohio State. Is it just Ry Okay?

Speaker 7 (42:34):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Is it just Ryan David?

Speaker 7 (42:35):
No, it's what he hayes punching a guy on the
I mean, it's it's it's their identity. You know, they
have an idea. I mean, it's not that they're not likable,
but they're a college football blue blood. They have a
ton of money, They're unapologetic. Whenever I think about whenever
I think about Ohio State, I think about remember when
Urban Meyer got into whatever, you know, with the assistant

(42:58):
coach he had, the whatever that controversy was. There's been
a few that followed Urban around, but remember that one
that caught him in trouble at Ohio State and a
bunch of really dorky Ohio State fans like showed up
and to protest, like the way people were talking about
Urban Meyer and then that one guy was like, remember

(43:22):
that we had that sound? Yeah. I mean to me,
that's Ohio State football and a microcosm, you know, just drunk,
fleshy whites.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
But they win.

Speaker 7 (43:35):
They win that they but when they when they stand
up against Michigan the last three years, they've been punched
hard in the pelvis and obviously that that wrinkles them.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
What do you think two years.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
In a row, by the way, wow, four years one,
twenty two, twenty three, and twenty four.

Speaker 7 (44:02):
Right, and they've been mp physical in each and one
of those games.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Do you think the national title offsets the loss to
Michigan this year? Do you think people still complain about
the Michigan loss.

Speaker 7 (44:13):
I think Michigan people will tweet, you know, suck it meeps,
still beat you. But I mean, at the same time,
what Ohio State has accomplished this year if they are
able to end their favorite heavily and Notre Dame's pretty
beat up and Notre Dame has been a I mean,
Cinderella story for Notre Dame. Is kind of hard to
put those two words together for Notre Dame football at

(44:33):
least especially, But that's that's what's happened, and that's the
kind of team and they've shown it's hard not to
like them when you watch the way they play, and
you watch the way they play for each other, and
you watch the way the defense flies around and the
way they replace guys that are out.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
It's hard not to be inspired by Notre Dame.

Speaker 7 (44:49):
But at the same time, yeah, I think what Ohio State,
especially with the way they came back and beat Oregon
in that way and just punched Orgon's head clean off
before Oregon was even able to kind of get their
bearings and try to come back in that game, and
they had lost to Oregon and made some mistakes earlier
in the year in a tough place to play in
Audtsin Stadium. I think that was a pretty big statement.

(45:11):
But if you're Ohio State and you've been literally run
over four years in a row by Michigan, and this
last year that Michigan team had had no business being
on the field with you talent wise, I think that's
still going to bother people.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
Yeah, yeah, I guess I'll just ask you this, how
do you see the game playing out? I don't know,
And also real quick before that. Overall, have you enjoyed
the twelve team expanded playoff?

Speaker 7 (45:37):
Not really? You know, I mean I wanted to see
Ashton Gent run the ball. Well, you know, I wanted
to see Boise do better. And I do think that
Penn State was great. I mean all I thought. I
thought the teams were awesome. It was fun to see
everybody go out and compete. But you know, you kind
of found yourself in a lot of these games, just

(45:58):
kind of praying that one of these teams will come
back to make it a game, and it only really
happened once with Arizona State. The Ohio State Notre Dame
game I thought was great. I was inspired by a
lot of the different plays that I saw, especially the
running back from Notre Dame beat up like he was love,
hurtling a guy and then breaking five tackles and getting

(46:20):
into the end zone. Stuff like that I enjoyed. But overall, yeah,
I think it left something to be desired because look,
I'll say this, you guys played pro sports and you
understand it better than I do. But I do college
football and I live in college football. And the one
thing I love about college football is the chaos, and

(46:41):
that is because there's young people. Young people are big
and strong and fast, many very comparable to what they
are in the pros. But emotionally and mentally they don't
have those callouses to where they can go play on
the road and it doesn't.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
Really matter as much.

Speaker 7 (46:56):
You know, the crowd getting on top of you doesn't
humiliate in the pros like it does in college. And
you can just see that. But even that being said,
like in pro football, we constantly have the argument of
rest versus rust, right, Like, all these guys had too
much time off and they're pros and they're supposed to

(47:18):
be able to be resilient through that, and yet it's
still a gigantic debate on how to prepare your team,
rest your players in the playoff before the playoffs start,
Should Peyton Manning play in the last game? I mean,
we've been talking about this stuff forever at the pro level,
and that makes me feel like, wow, you give a
college football team three weeks off and another one has

(47:39):
two weeks off. You know, you never know who you're
going to be once the season's over and whatever bowl
practice quote unquote begins that time off for a team,
athletes are so routine oriented. Young people are so routine oriented.
The academic stuff we talk about not as much as
we used to, barely as much as we used to,

(48:02):
but that plays into it as well. So I think
having time off is not a reward. For a lot
of the teams that played well. It seemed like it
was more of a punishment because most of those teams
that had to buy didn't really seem to even wake
up until halfway through the second quarter if they did.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
It all right, p or you and the Fams say,
from the fires and all that, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (48:27):
Yeah, no, I just got done doing an hour radio
on KFI. There's a big wind watch going on right now.
But the fires seem to be containment. Is an interesting
way to put it, because the way the way they
calculate that, but the fires seem to be put in check,
but there's high winds all the way till three. You know,

(48:48):
It's interesting because I think most people around the country
think that LA is just like we all live under
the Hollywood Sign or you know, everything is really condemned
and it's not. LA is really spread out until the
city catches on fire. Then you realize, like what spills
into what? And kind of get a little bit more

(49:10):
perspective on where things are and the history of these
two communities that are just completely blown to pieces. Are
pretty interesting histories in the Palisades and Altadena, pretty old
LA communities both, and both are just pretty much gone,
kind of like Lehina. And it'll be very weird to

(49:30):
see how they rebuild and if the red tape will
be cut to allow them to rebuild, and what politically
will happen in the city because a lot of people
feel let down by their leadership.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
So we'll see.

Speaker 7 (49:41):
But it's been one of the craziest weeks in LA.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
That I've ever lived through.

Speaker 7 (49:44):
And I was here for Rodney King and north Ridge
earthquake and the OJ chase and everything in between, so
wild week and a lot of people that need help
in prayers.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Well, and to be fair, you tried to hide OJ
as well too.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
We thought about it. We were will to in the moment, Yes.

Speaker 7 (50:01):
Yea never came to That's gonna be the walk in Fridge.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
I would imagine you sound a lot different on that
channel than you do with us, Like, can you give
an impression of what exactly that sounds like?

Speaker 5 (50:14):
Well, look at these fires here that's good. How about that?

Speaker 7 (50:21):
That's my imitation, I said, I said, do you want it?
Like when whenever somebody's like, so, what do you do?
I said, well, I call football games. They're like, well,
what does that mean? I was like, well, I'm like
the analyst and I say, Okay, close your eyes. Here's
what it's like. And then I keep their eyes closed
for like three seconds, and I and I and I say.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
Nice throw by that guy.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
What you know, everybody's got.

Speaker 7 (50:48):
Everybody's got this app now called watch Duty, which is
what firemen use, and if you're concerned about anything, you
can look at it and uh, it's really actually easy
to use. And you punch the Palisades fire it says
eighteen percent containment, right, and then you go over to
eaton in Altadena and it says thirty five percent containment

(51:09):
and it tells you you know where there's a red
flag warning and who's evacuated and all that.

Speaker 5 (51:13):
How does that sound Did that sound noosy? Oh?

Speaker 4 (51:15):
Yeah, that sound newsy. That sounds good.

Speaker 5 (51:17):
That was good, devastating.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Well, pee, you can get him on X at the
Old Pe. We always appreciate your time. Thanks for hanging
out Wednesday and there, it is there. It is Petros
Papa Vegas, the co host of the Petros Money Show
with the blow La Sports.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Oh god,
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