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to today. Clay Travis is in Florida doing what usually does,
loafing on the job, so we will not hear from
him for the rest of the week. In his place,
I don't have the post it note that I usually
do in front of me. That lists all the many

(01:10):
teams that Jeff Schwartz played for during his time in
the NFL when he was on the offensive line. I
know it included the Panthers, the Giants, and the Lions.
So I'm gonna put those three out there to be safe.
But Jeff Schwartz joins us. He's down in Charlotte. Jeff,
what's up, my friend. At least you didn't get the
number of years wrong this time, so that's good. Yeah. Well,
now that you've mentioned that you are a three year

(01:31):
NFL veteran on the offensive line, it's just good ruin
that with with five different teams you were cutting mid
season twice, very very effective. My name is Jason Martin.
You can follow me on Twitter at j mart Out.
You can follow Jeff, who's laughing in the background, at
Jeff Schwartz. Hey, the President has tweeted already this morning
about LaVar Paul twice in the NFL. Once. We cannot

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escape this, so we will be talking about it. We
won't be talking about it off the top. There's a
lot of things happening in the world of sports the
Thanksgiving weekend. Wherever you are, I don't know if you're
off work today, a lot of folks are a lot
of folks are gonna be traveling. Hopefully we'll be able
to provide you an adequate soundtrack for that deal. We've
got some animal Thunderdome today to get to. We've got

(02:14):
Mike Leach's wedding advice, a just crazy crazy situation. Mike
Leach is a beauty. We'll talk about him later on
in the show as well. But the college football playoff
rankings came out again and finally Miami jumps Clemson the
top five. Alabama, Miami, Clemson, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, then Auburn, and

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then you get Georgia, Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Penn State.
It appears that we're down to eight teams. Really with
a legitimate shot here. Clay gave you an argument for
eleven yesterday and with all the many, many different scenarios
that were to go into the favor of the other
three teams there, it could happen. But it seems like

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we're down to eight, with the eighth one being Ohio
State at nine. And and the reason why is because
Ohio State has a few games left on its schedule
that could vault it up if other things go in
their favor in terms of Alabama winning out or Miami
winning out, or Oklahoma doing what Oklahoma should do over
their next two games. But Ohio State has games against

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Michigan in quote the game unquote this weekend, and then
they will have a chance to play Wisconsin in the
Big Ten championship game. If they were able to win
both of those games and other situations went for them,
they could sneak in. Honestly, no offense, Buckeye fan, I
hope not. Because you lost twice and you lost in
kind of dominant fashion both times, particularly that Iowa game.

(03:39):
I don't think you deserve to be in the college
football playoff. That's me personally. It does look like Alabama,
Miami or Clemson. I don't think both of them get in.
Whoever wins that game between the two of them gets in.
Then Oklahoma, who I think is going to win out.
I believe they have a fifty chance according to five
thirty eight, of actually winning out, and then if what's

(04:00):
Anson wins out, they have a This is amazing. They
have a chance of getting into the college football playoffs. Jeff,
if they went out, if they were to lose, especially
to Minnesota this week, that goes to eight. So that's
a lot of pressure on that wisconstant team because if
they don't win out, no one is impressed with that schedule,

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no matter what they have left. So everything they've done
right now is only put them in position to have
to do more to get into the college football Playoff.
They have to go undefeated or they're gonna get left
out in the cold. So when you look at this,
I think they finally get it right by moving Miami
above Clemson. Clempson got a little bit of a pass.
I don't think that that loss was terrible to Syracuse

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when you consider that Kelly Bryant was out of that
game fairly early on. But that's a bad Syracuse team.
And Miami's undefeated in that same conference and is beaten
a top ten team in Notre Dame. So I look
at it that way. And not just beat Notre Dame
but pretty much ripped their souls out in Catholics versus Convicts.
Not this pass that to day, but the Saturday before,

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So it looks like it's gonna shake out. Okay, what
what interests you when you look at these rankings? Well,
I think it's fairly simple. Do you you're gonna have
a combination of one of these SEC teams Bama, Auburn, Georgia.
Depends on how that folds out. Right, If Alabama beats
Auburn this weekend, I think they're in no matter what,
even if they lose to Georgia the SEC Championship game.
But if they lose this weekend, then the winner of

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Auburn Georgia will will make the playoff. Even Alburn with
with two losses shouldn't make it. If they beat a
number one Alabama and they beat number seven Georgia and
the SEC Championship game, then you have the winner of
Miami climbs in will be in. Oklahoma if they went out,
will be in and Wisconsinent Ohiose State will be And
I mean it's setting up pretty well because the Pack
twelve is out of it. Notre Dame is independent, um

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sort of an independent. A SEC team is out of
it with two losses, So it's setting up pretty well.
I know it looks kind of congested at the top,
and and you know there's a lot of scenarios here
and there. The question is, though, if Oklahoma loses, I
don't think to lose to to West Virginia this weekend.
But if they lose to TCU, which they should end
up playing in the Big twelve championship game, that throws
a wrench into it, and you could get a second

(06:04):
SEC team, possibly you know, combs into a Miami loser
in that game. Depending on how close that game is
or the SEC championship game, the loser gets in. So
that's what I'm looking forward to. If you want some chaos,
you root for Oklahoma to lose the Big twelve Championship
game and then another conference will get a second team
in this playoff. See, I don't think I want to
root for for chaos, and usually I would you. You're

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kind of conditioned as a sports fan to root for
craziness to happen unless it's your own fan base. And
I mean, I'm not an Oklahoma fan. So I just
want to see the best four teams get in this time.
I want to see the heavyweights, I think, as does Clay,
as do I think many of you out there. If
Wisconsin goes into this playoff and let's say they play Alabama,
nobody wants to watch that game. Trust me, you don't

(06:48):
want to see that game. You might think you want
to see that game. You do not want to see
that game. That is that is like a twenty three
to three kind of just terrible football game waiting to happen,
and no offense to Wisconsin except for the fact you're
just not as good as Alabama is. We've seen enough
to know that already. Oklahoma because of Baker Mayfield, not

(07:09):
just because of the potential craziness that could happen, but
mainly because that dude can play, and that dude can
cause problems and he can escape trouble, and he looks
like and I said this yesterday, he looks like one
of those quarterbacks like we've even seen Chack Kelly do
this from time to time, but Johnny Manzel or Tim
Tebow or some of those guys where sometimes it looks
like they're drawing up plays in the dirt. And that's

(07:30):
how you sometimes beat Nick Saban. You don't come in
with a scheme and then run that scheme four quarters
against him, not a just and have a chance to win.
But Oklahoma has a guy in Mayfield that can make
plays that otherwise don't seem available. So just as a
football fan, you want to see Oklahoma. As an Alabama fan,
me being a Crimson type fan, I'm terrified of Oklahoma.

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If I look at the rest of these teams, that's
the one team I'm scared of, with the exception obviously
of Auburn this weekend. Well, Alabama has always struggled with
these dual threat type quarterbacks kryptonite, whether it's whether it's
Deshaun Watson, whether it's at Ohio State, They've always dealt
with with that quarterback has always been a problem for them.
And the way this is setting up, they'll end up
playing if it if it all kind of shakes out

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the way we think it is, you know, Oklahoma will
be a two or three seed, so they'll play them
in the in the championship game if they get that far,
and that's only a week or ten days of preparation
instead of a month of preparation, So that would be
even worse for Alabama had not get that full month
to prepare for for Mayfield. So if Oklahoma ends up
getting a two or three seed, I actually feel really

(08:32):
good about them winning a championship. However, you know the
defense though, that that always gonna scare me because if
you can't play any defense to Oklahoma, really can't. Um.
That always worries me because your offense can have a
bad half, you have a bad quarter. Um. You know,
you might not be able to run the ball that day,
but you can't fall back on your defense at all.
I mean, if Oklahoma plays Alabama, Alabama's gonna put up

(08:53):
thirty five points on on Oklahoma. You tell me Oklahoma's
gonna score thirty five to thirty eight to forty one
points again Bama. Yeah, I mean it's possible, right comes
and did it last year. But you can't rely on
Alabama giving up that many points all the time. So
I think for Oklahoma to to have a legit chance,
somehow their defect is really gonna have to pick it
up in the playoff. Yeah, I agree with that. The

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one thing that I will say, and I kind of
laid this out yesterday from the Alabama standpoint, is that
their linebackers are not as dynamic as they've been in
years past, They're not as fast as they've been in
years past, and yes, then they have injury issues as well.
So what would bother me if I'm an Alabama fan,
If I'm looking down the barrel at an Oklahoma game
is intermediate passing that gets me across the middle at

(09:37):
times and gives Baker Mayfield some outs in that eight
to fifteen yard range. That might also actually scare me
a little bit against Auburn, who just flat out terrifies
everybody at this stage in the game. When you look
at it, Jeff, do you like the idea of potentially
having two SEC teams get in and maybe having Wisconsin
lose and being knocked out of this thing? Or do
you kind of hope that they still get in because

(09:59):
they've had such a the year. Well, if What's Constant loses,
that means probably Ohio States in unless Ohio State loses
this weekend the Michigan, So we'll see. I don't think
that's true. Think, I don't think that's you think it's true. No,
I don't like. I think that a lot of things
have to go Ohio States away on top of them
winning those two games to get in from the nine
spot right now, like they have an outside. So are

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you saying that Alabama, Well, you're saying that that Oklahoma
loses to TCU and then with Constant loss to Ohio State,
And you don't think Ohio State gets in in that scenario,
I would have a hard time making that argument. I
guess it could happen, But Oklahoma dropped Ohio State, you know,
in Columbus as well, and I think that that might
play into it. I feel like you get two SEC

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teams before you get Ohio stateing in there unless things
played out wrong. I guess for Alabama more so than
anything else, But I don't have to lose to the
next two games. Yeah, and they can't do that really,
and they really can't do that because they lose the first,
they're not going to play the second. I um no,
I'm fine with two SEC teams. Look, I'm a I'm

(11:06):
a West Coast guy pact I've got. I used to
despise the SEC because they won so many years in
a row, but now living in the South and watching
more SEC football, I love watching them play. Um, you know,
they tend to run more pro style type stuff. They
play defense for once they hit their physical So I
wouldn't mind two SEC teams in the playoffs. I like,
I like you. I think just want the four best teams.

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Um and you know, even you know, look Wisconsin, if
they went out, Look, it's impressive that they went out
and they they haven't had a tough schedule, but they
beat Ohio State in the Big Ten championship game. That's
an impressive win obviously, to to finish down the stretch.
So I'd feel better about what's consint being in there.
But I just can't buy Wisconsin is one of the
top four teams in the country no matter what record
they end up finishing with. So I would be excited

(11:49):
if if two se teams got in because that means
it's concepts out. Probably, So your anti Wisconsint, I mean
I kind of am too. Like I said, I just
don't think five. I'm generally anti Big Ten minus Ohio States.
They think Ohio States explosive and they're fun to watch.
I didn't Wisconsin. Watching Wisconsin Alabama play, like you said,
would just be would just take set college football back

(12:12):
many years. Al Right, So let's continue to drouw Wisconsin
real quickly here before we go to break Wisconsin at
five right now. Obviously we would take Alabama, Miami, Clempson,
Oklahoma all four I think over Wisconsin if they were
to play on a neutral site. But let's look at
the rest of the top ten I'm taking Auburn to
beat Wisconsin. I think I'm taking Georgia to beat Wisconsin.

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Notre Dame, I'm not sure honestly. Ohio State, I'm taking
them to beat Wisconsin in the Big Ten title game
if that's the game that we're gonna get, obviously, and
then Penn State, Yeah, I don't know. But Wisconsin to
me is somewhere in the eight to ten range if
you just look at the teams, not the records. I know,
you have to look at the records, and they've done

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you know, they're undefeated, but that schedule is just not
very impressive. They have evaded playing almost everybody could because
of this nonsensical division structure in the Big Ten. That
should go away where they get to feast on all
these bad teams because I don't know how you made
these divisions the way that you did, but you just
ensured that you were always gonna have one side that
was gonna be lopsided and then generally you were gonna

(13:16):
have Wisconsin on the other side. So it's played out
well for them. But if you look at that top ten, Jeff,
how many of those teams would you pick Wisconsin to
actually beat? If they actually play, not know, not many.
I mean, look, but what's interesting is Alabama strength. The
schedule is sixty which is low, which is low against
high low for them compared to most years. It was

(13:38):
consin sixty two. But we just assume that the SEC
is a better overall conference in the Big Ten, which
might not totally be true. Well, we'll come we'll see
come Bull seas. I know Bull season. At times you
can't really get a full picture because it's a one
game playoff essentially. But you know, the Big tenant an
SEC tend to play six or seven games against each other,
it feels like during both season. So we'll get maybe

(13:58):
a better picture of that come Bole season. But you know,
I mean for Alabama to have a straining the schedule
of six now that now that'll pick up playing Alburn
this week, pick up and they played Georgia again. Um,
you know, but SEC in general is down this year,
so maybe we're overvaluing Alabama. Um, you know, they blown
a lot of teams out, but they know they played
a tough game against Mississippi State, and in Mississippi State
to me, just completely blew that game. They had a

(14:20):
chance to win that game. They were really conservative. Um
that they did some weird things the final five minutes
of the game and they could easily beat in Alabama,
especially at home. Yeah, that that game is scary. It
really was. It looked like Mississippi State had all the
momentum and saying they come back, and the last couple
of minutes they put in the ball in the forty
two and when the end zone, it was like a

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net twenty two yard punt. And then they did that
they called that time out on third down after showing
the pressure and then ran the exact same thing again
in Alabama burned him on it. Um. It just felt
like Mississippi State was trying to probably the game really conservatively,
and I to me, conservative football equals a loss. Like
you can't if you play a game a certain way
for fifty five minutes. In the last five minutes of
the game, you play soft, it doesn't work. I mean, look,

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you know, look at mon Night football with Seattle Atlanta, right,
Atlanta's defense was aggressive most of the game, and then
they get up eleven points and play this zone and
Seattle picks them apart in fifty seconds and scores a touchdown.
Like you just play the defense that got you to
the dance. Um, and and be aggressive and and if
they score in fifty seconds and you'd be aggressive. I
feel like you can live with that. But you're still

(15:25):
you still up by three obviously, or or five if
they don't convert the two point conversion. But as soon
as you play soft and play not to lose, you're
gonna lose the football game. Those comments from noted NFL
defensive expert Jeff Schwartz laying it out for you right there,
just kidding. So there's your college football playoff. Continue to
discuss this. Yeah, you're definitely at guru and all things.

(15:49):
You're certainly offensive. Food and food and football for sure.
Well this is your week, Jeff. We will be talking
food certainly, probably today but definitely tomorrow. There's there's very
the turkeys out to frosting. Um. I I could be
more excited. Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday because it involves

(16:09):
food and football. Yeah, I'm not not hideously surprised by that.
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(16:32):
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into politics, because no, we will discuss this LaVar ball nonsense,
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We will talk to him about sports as well. But

(17:57):
by the way, Jeff, Jeff did read West of West
Coast Wednesday. Yes, I'm very excited about it as well.
Love my western doing it. Yeah, we're definitely doing it.
That was that was the first stage of it. Right there.
That's Jeff Schwartz in the background trying to talk over me.
I'm Jason Martin. He's at Jeff Schwartz on Twitter. I'm
at j mart out kick. I think it's at Danny
G Radio. Is that right, Danny, Yeah, Oh, I've got it.

(18:19):
And then Justin Cooper out there as well. He's at
U H. Bronco Fan, which we could ask him to
explain it again, but honestly, the story is not that
not that entertaining. Just follow him at U H. Bronco
Fan if you want liar liar thoughts twenty four hours
a day, seven days a week. So LaVar Ball talked
a lot when he was with Chris Cuomo a couple
of days ago. I don't know why c ann devoted

(18:41):
twenty plus minutes to LaVar Ball. There was not a
whole lot going on in the world, apparently, and this
was an easy way for them to stir up controversy
that didn't need to exist and give LaVar Ball even
more fame than he has not earned. If you missed
some of that, because the President has tweeted about it
already twice this morning, here is just a small montage
of um of that CNN interview from a couple of

(19:02):
nights ago with LaVar Ball. So the President he do
for myself. The President says that he spoke to the
Chinese president. He says that the boy was that the
involvement of the president of the United States mattered, and
that then he wanted some thanks, and instead you said,
who what was he Trump over there for? Don't tell
me he wanted. Everybody wants to make it seem like

(19:24):
he helped me out. I mean, you're you're trying to
make a sound like that. I'm just saying what you said.
I didn't meet when he faced to face. I know
exactly what I said, But you buffing it up like
you said that. You don't want to say thank you
to nobody, no coming try. Do you think the president helped?
Do I think the President helped? Yes? I don't know.

(19:46):
So do you think he would be lying about Hell?
Say what you want. I didn't see him talk. I
don't care, and I don't know. I wasn't there. I'm
not gonna say nothing. I don't know, and I don't
see it. I don't hear. So the President United States
says he has supposed to say, and you say, if
you didn't see it, you didn't hear it, you don't
believe it. Hey, if he said he helped, that's good
for his mind? What do you mean good for him?

(20:08):
I even got to say, if you help, you shouldn't
have to say anything. If you help, you shouldn't have
to If I help somebody. I don't walk around saying,
you know, I help you. Now, come on, now you
give me some love. I helped you, then come on
for real. A somebody told me about to tweet a
couple of days ago. I don't even tweet. I'm just saying,
why is that on your mind? All this stuff going on,
and that's on your mind that the father didn't say

(20:28):
thank you? And you're supposed to be the head of
you know, you're the head of the US. Come on, criticism,
the president is asking for thanks. You can criticize that.
I'm just stating the point that I'm saying is, but
there's a lot of other things that's going on. No
question about him, do his political affairs and let me
handle my son and let's just stay in our land.

(20:51):
He says he helped get them out of China. Okay,
if if if he, if he, if he paid for
the money to put up whatever we needed to do,
then I would say thank you. Did he do that?
So that's the bar. If he doesn't put up bail
for the boys, then he doesn't deserve thanks. Come on,
it's not if he didn't put up bail. He said
he helped, How did he helped. If he helped, I
would say thank you, Hey, And I got a message

(21:12):
for you. What is it? Tell Donald Trump to have
a great Thanksgiving because big bully is Jeff. I mean,
I guess can't come to an end fast enough. This
is this next year. I know you're at a very

(21:33):
very good point. Maybe we need to keep seen around
the way things have have kind of progressed. But the
President this morning has responded again. I don't know that
LaVar said more, but the President continues to come after
him on Twitter. He says, it wasn't the White House,
it wasn't the State Department, It wasn't father. LaVar is
so called people on the ground in China that got

(21:53):
his son out of a long term prison sentence. It
was me in all gaps too bad. LaVar is just
a poor man's version of on King, but without the hair.
Just think, and he's still not done. He immediately then
tweets five minutes later, LaVar, you could have spent the
next five to ten years during Thanksgiving with your son
in China, but no NBA contract to support you. But remember, LaVar,
shoplifting is not a little thing. It's a really big deal,

(22:16):
especially in China, ungrateful fool. Wow. So this continues, I
don't I'm sure, I pray. I'm hoping neither one of
them actually believes the things that they say. Like I
was listening to to LaVar who's just bloviating and will
not shut up, and is even kind of speaking against

(22:37):
himself while he's talking, like some of his points are
actually hypocritical to other points that he made because he
forgot what he said five minutes ago in this twenty
two and a half minute interview or whatever it was,
because CNN had nothing better to do than to talk
to LaVar Ball for that long. LaVar balls in the wrong.
And I said this yesterday Steve Kerr, who I often
don't agree with politically, came out and said, point blank,

(23:00):
it would be better at both these guys shut up.
I actually agree with that, because the one thing Trump
has done here that I do not like at all.
He is that dude that does a favor for you
so that he can then lud you around the rest
of town and make sure everyone knows he did that
favor for you. A quick story. I was hired to
be a manager in retail about ten years ago by

(23:22):
a friend of mine who I had met through the
pro wrestling industry, and every success that I had as
a retail manager, when I was promoted, when I was
moved into bigger stores, and all of those kinds of things,
this guy would notoriously say, you know, I hired that guy.
Like every time we would be in mixed company or
we would be anywhere on some kind of a company
outing or anything, he would remarkably be around to mention

(23:46):
that he's the one that brought me into the company,
and he's the one that trained me. To me. That's
similar here. It's like, did Donald Trump do this to
get these kids out of jail for an altruistic reason?
Probably not, honest Lee, I was trying to think about
it my head. Did he sit down with Z or
did he talk to G and basically say, look, man,
this would be an easy win for me, Like can

(24:08):
we just get these kids out? And then immediately he
says will they thank me? On Twitter? I just hate that.
It's like, if you're begging for the thank you, yes,
LaVar Ball, by courtesy and by manners and all of
those things. Absolutely, you should thank anybody that had anything
to do with getting your son and two other young
men out of a hell hole where their rights were

(24:30):
not going to be preserved in any real fashion, even
if things were not going to lead to them being
in prison for ten years, and that turned out not
to be the case. I just I have never been
a guy that's ever said you're gonna thank me for that.
That is so just beneath not just the presidency, that's

(24:50):
just beneath humanity. Both of them are LaVar not thanking
him and him begging to be thanked. These are two
people that j us can't get out of each other's
way and can't get out of their own way sometimes,
and that's why you just roll your eyes. But you
have to talk about this story. The politics of it
are completely irrelevant to me. But the idea of these

(25:13):
two side shows causing this and this being a multiple
day story because of a thank you or a non
thank you, or an ungrateful or this or that, Jeff
just absolutely drives me batty. Well. The story has nothing
to do with politics, which is why it's great to
talk about. It just has to do with two guys
who want attention. And here's the thing. Every time the

(25:34):
President tweets about LaVar Ball, the winner of this is
LaVar Ball. He goes on CNN for twenty two minutes.
It builds up his brand. You know when when they
asked him, you know, do you you know, are you
thankful for for Donald Trump? And he says, who he
knew exactly what he was doing. He knew exactly the
reaction he'd get. He knew exactly that he would get
more media, you get more people to drive his brand,
more people to go to his website. Maybe he even

(25:56):
picked up fans now who wanted to end up who
wanted to buy his shoe was and by his apparel
and maybe you know, they want to, you know, take
some attention away from from a Lonzo struggles on the
court in Los Angeles, So he exactly what are you
talking about? I will tell you this though, I saw
that let LaVar Ball said he wants the lekers to
stop babing him, which I as actual basketball note, Um,

(26:19):
I kind of agree with that. So but that back
to this story. What's you know, what's fascinating to me
is is the president wakes up and it's five thirty
in the morning and he's tweeting the first thing in
his mind is LaVar Ball. So LaVar ball is winning
in this in this if you can win as much
as you can win in this in this sort of situation. Uh.
And one last thing too, this is this is like
a little thing and it does bother me as I
like details like the punishment in China was three to

(26:43):
ten years, not five to times. We keep he keeps
saying five to ten years. It's three to ten years.
It's it's a little different, I know, but like these
little details that aren't in the tweet, Like I don't
know why that bothers me so much, but um, but LaVar,
I mean, look, he's gonna keep winning as long as
as as the President keeps tweeting about him, and it's
gonna keep going. Like I'm sure today LaVar will get
on some some show and say the same talking points

(27:06):
again and again, and we'll go through the same cycle
over and over again until I guess there's another controversy
we forget about, you know, LaVar for a week. But
it's um, It's just it provides me a little bit
of humor. Though I feel like you don't think it's
as funny as I do. I guess I'm just tired
of it. What I'm not tired of is Eddie Garcia

(27:27):
our guy in the updates studio. Let's go to him
right now and find out what happened yesterday in the
wild and Willie world of sports. Eddie, what's up? Well? Boys?
Of course, we gotta start with college football, where the
top four and the latest Ploff rankings are out. Now
they're the same for the most part. Alabama's number one.
You've got Miami and Clemson at two and three. In
Oak clem at four. Now Miami and Clemson footblop from
last week. Uh, that's really the only change. Wisconsin undefeated.

(27:50):
There's still outside of the top four number five. Auburn
is at number six. The Houston Chronicles reporting that Texas
and m is gonna fire head coach Kevin Sutherland after
the Aggies game gets LSU this Saturday. In the NFL,
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones says he's not going to sue
the league over Commissioner Roger Gondell's pending contract extension. However,
in the future, Jones wants all the owners, not just
the six members of the compensation committee, to be allowed

(28:12):
to review the commissioner's contract before it is approved. Oklanreator's
Fire defensive coordinator Ken Norton Jr. Paxton Lynch is gonna
start a quarterback for the Broncos this Sunday. And also, guys,
it is time for our get Coope Player the Day,
bronzell a hand for k c P and the Fire

(28:32):
Give me the fall, Yeah, give me the fall k
c P. That was Lakers Television Spectrum Sports Net. If
you don't know, k c P is of course Kntavious
Caldwell Pope who had one points as the Lakers come
from behind and beat the Bulls one O three to
ninety four. And the only NBA game of the night.
That is your guy Coope Player of the Day and

(28:56):
that is Eddie Garcia Lakers. I don't know. Sometimes it's good,
sometimes it's bad. Often the bad goes with Lonzo Ball.
We will talk about him before the end of this program.
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(29:38):
it's because Clay Travis and his voice are not on
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He will be back certainly on Monday. So I'm Jason Martin,
the executive producer, was about to say I'm jefch Wartz.
That is not yeah almost, I was seriously about say
I'm Jeff Swartz. I'm Jason Martin, the executive producer of
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(29:59):
You can follow me at j mardout kicked Jeff Schwartz,
NFL veteran off the offensive line, now a professional bloviator.
You can follow him at Jeff Schwartz. So I'll let
you go ahead. I'll let all you guys, as a
matter of fact, the guys out in l a Dandy
g and Justin Cooper and of course Jeff Schwartz, all
Lakers hanks. So go ahead and have fun because of

(30:19):
what happened last night, because it hasn't been too much
fun in games so far this season, because your number
two pick is not your best rookie on that team,
not by a long shot at least right now, and
we haven't really discussed this at all, So feel free
to go into Lonzo walking away from that altercation, and
what a bad look that was for him, even if
he made the right decision, that was first of all,

(30:40):
that there was a terrible look for him. He should
have at least pretended to be in the fight, Like
I was not a big fight, right, I wasn't a
couple of fights. But whenever there was a fight at practice,
I learned just to run in there, like you don't
have to punch anybody, but just like pretend that you care.
You put your helmet on, running there really fast and
get all I angry and start, you know, and it
looks good. He should have done something like that, like
in the wait, to at least fake it and not

(31:01):
just walk away. I know they tried to defend him,
saying that they told him to walk away and all
these things, but I don't really believe that. Um, he
probably caught some some flak in the locker room for that.
You know, Lakers are an eight seed right now. To me,
it does not matter where they finished. They just have
to make themselves exciting to get Lebron, Paul George, any
of these guys to show up and be a Laker.

(31:21):
This year to me is only about making the Lakers exciting,
um again to play for gentlemen. All right, all right,
it's a lot to a lot to digest here. First
of all, I completely disagree with the Lonzo scuffle thing.
I mean, we make fun of NBA players all the time.
You hear broadcasters always, Oh, nobody really fights in the NBA.

(31:44):
They just you know, show bowed and act like they're
gonna fight. So why are we like mad at a
player for not pretending like he's gonna fight. Like Like,
I don't want him involved in that stuff. I never
want the star players involved, especially when it has nothing
to do with them. And then as far as the
Lakers as a whole, I do think that they're exciting.
I think they're one of the most exciting teams in

(32:06):
the league. I mean, they're not one of the best
teams in the league, obviously, but they're exciting to watch.
And as bad as Alonzo has been shooting the ball,
and it's been bad, it's embarrassingly bad, the rest of
his game is awesome. It's everything that you could have wanted.
So and the Lakers, like, like Jeff said, they're an
eight seed right now, they're they're above the Clippers and

(32:29):
the Thunder And could you imagine if a Lonzo actually
shot just decently what the team would be doing. It
would be an extra what like eight ten points a game.
I'm really excited about this Lakers team, but just a
little Alonzo, though didn't shoot terribly well in college. I mean,
he's able to create college because because it's college, and

(32:51):
like his job is to me His job this year,
like I said, is not to be a score. His
job is to distribute and get veterans to want to
come to l a and play with him. He can
work on his shot, and you know, even Magic talked
about you know, they're working on a shot in the offseason,
but right now his job is to make it exciting.
To play for the Lakers, dished the ball out, you know,

(33:11):
control the offense. The shooting to me is secondary, Like
he'll learn to shoot better, he'll learn to finish around
the rim better. But right now, we just need him
to distribute the ball and make it fun again to
be a Laker. I I agree, and I think that's
exactly what he's doing. I mean, to two triple doubles before,
you know, just barely turning twenty years old, matching Lebron

(33:32):
in that. I mean, I think that what he's doing
is exactly what we want him to do, just you know,
minus the terrible shooting. But like you said, that's something
that you can get better at and improve on much
easier than than any other aspect of the game. Charles
Barkley actually said last week on T n T he
said that, well, they revealed obviously that Steph Curry has

(33:54):
his like shooting video coming out is how to shoot
like Steph Curry video, and basically said that's someone in
the Lakers organization needs to buy that from a Lonzo
ball for Christmas. That's tough. Is so unique in the
way he shoots and the way he gets his thing
is getting the ball up so quickly, like a video
is not gonna you know, he's telling it to make money.

(34:16):
But I'm saying like that, that's not gonna help. I'm
not gonna help most players, they're not as quick as
Steph Curry is to launch the shot. No, I agree.
Somebody else you might agree with is MIKEA. Leach. This
dude is amazing. Talking to a reporter yesterday, Yeah, I
tell you, yeah. Okay, there you go talking to a
reporter yesterday, obviously commenting on a college football playoff, but

(34:38):
then finds out this reporter is nine days away from
getting married, and then for two minutes and eight seconds
he tries to give wedding advice to this guy. If
you have not heard this, it's gonna make your day.
Stick through the break, we'll be back on the other
side and you'll hear from the pirate himself, Coach Leech,
he's on the other side. This is out kicked the
coverage with j Martin Jeff here on Fox Sport. It's

(35:00):
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Danny g and Justin Cooper spending the dollars radio style
for us out in Los Angeles this morning. Mike Leach,

(35:23):
as Jeff told me during the break in our chat window,
is a national treasure, and to this I certainly agree.
He had comments about the college football Playoff Committee, which
we're gonna talk about in the next hour, and also
a ton of NFL still to come. So if you
have thoughts on your favorite team or what you're expecting
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(35:45):
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for yourself, is how you can join this program. But
the college Football Playoff Committee stuff that Leech said, even
though it was an epic rant, is nothing compared to
him to talking to a reporter who's getting married in
nine days and trying to give him advice on the wedding.

(36:05):
Just sit back on this day before Thanksgiving this Thanksgiving Eve,
and enjoy Mike Leach as only Michael Leach could do this.
Women lose their mind. Your fiance is gonna lose her mind.
Your mother in law is gonna lose her mind. Your
mom is gonna lose her mind. Several of your sisters

(36:26):
and female relatives are gonna lose their mind. And um,
and that they're gonna they're gonna broase you with constant
questions what should we wear? And then uh, which, of
course my answer was, I don't care? And then what
color should the invitations be? I don't care? Uh? What

(36:47):
should we have for dessert? I don't care? Should we
see this this way or that that that way? I
don't care. But see, I don't care. It's not satisfactory
at all. And you're gonna get caught in etch twenty two.
And I'm certain that you already have and that catch
twenty two is well, I want you to be a
part of this too. Uh So what color invitations? Um?

(37:10):
All right, the blue ones? Well I kind of like, uh,
I kind of like the tan ones. Okay, the tan ones.
Then oh you're just saying that because uh yeah, you
want this over. Well, you're not even thinking about it,
which is of course true. What do you want for dessert?
I was thinking of strawberry shortcake. Oh okay, yes, strawberry
shortcake would be good. Well what about the blueberry pie? Well,

(37:32):
I like the blueberry pie. We could have the blueberry pie. Well,
I thought you said you wanted the strawberry shortcake. And
it's just gonna go back and forth, and they're gonna
play keep away from you until after you're married. There's
no answer you can give that it's going to be
satisfactory or correct, and if you successfully please a few
of them, the others will still be Well. I just

(37:53):
don't feel like he's that interesting. Okay, So so you
need to work late. Uh, go in the back room
and eat a lot of books. Take the grooms from
it out so you make sure that they march in
just right and they know exactly you know, these swell
outfits that you picked out or whatever however you're doing
it um and in the end you'll wish you elope.
You need to find um excuses that they'll buy. Uh

(38:19):
to be as far out of harm's way as you
possibly can. That is Washington State head football coach Mike Leach,
who also commented on the college football playoff committee, which
we will get to in the second hour because it
was a great rant. But Jeff, I don't even have
any words for that. I mean, that was not like
a twenty second answer. That was Hugh be Brown breaking

(38:42):
down the zone defense in the NFL playoffs as an answer.
Just could not stop talking. And you, even if you
didn't know it was Mike Leach. If I said there's
a college football coach who reacted for two and a
half minutes about wedding advice, he would have to be
in the top three or four choices. But that was
just epic stuff. That was so fantastic because it is

(39:02):
so true. And I'll tell you this. So after our
wedding and I've been married for three years now, something
like that. Um, once it gets past, like a year
doesn't even matter. Um, married three years And so after
I remember after the wedding, my wife said, wow, you
were you were so helpful, you know, you helped me
out so much. And I said, no, we did everything
you wanted to do, and it was fine with me.

(39:24):
That's what it should be, I said, I just I
just made it pretend like I you know, like I cared, Oh, flowers, baby,
these flowers are fantastical. This is a great You've done
a great job. This is gonna be you know. I
love these things too, like you've done a fantastic job.
I mean, that's what That's what the wedding is. The
wedding is not about the groom. It should not be
about the groom. It should be about the bride what
she wants to do. And I thought it was. It

(39:45):
was a fantastic ramp by Leach because it is so true,
and um, it's not helping. It's as bad as as
he says it is. But I hope that guy can
enjoy his wedding now because that I was in the
looping part. By the way, I was sitting at my wedding,
which was fantastic. My wedding was all m and I
thought to myself in the middle of dinner service, I
can't believe I paid this much money for one night.

(40:07):
That could that we could take that out of context
and use it some other time and it would really work. Well.
That last sentence that you just use permission, You may
use that for any way you want to. All right,
that's that's very solid that's a real bad move on
your part. We'll talk about the college football Playoff Committee
rant from Mike Leach and get into the NFL in
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We're always in the zone here on now Kicked the Coverage.
My name is Jason Martin. Executive producer of this fine
program is Clay Travis is with his family down in Naples, Florida.
He'll be back next week and he'll have I don't

(41:11):
know he will have had a lot of food in
him in five or six days to have developed as hot.
It takes as are possible under those confines. So we'll
hear from him. Then I am joined by veteran on
the offensive line. I think it's seven years. I don't
have the sheet in front of me right now. Jeff Schwartz,
he's at Jeff Schwartz on Twitter. That's g e O
f F and not j E F F. And you know, Jeff,
this is interesting because Wednesday's hour two is usually your

(41:34):
spot on the show. So right now you're at home.
It's these other hours that we have you on in
which you're kind of out of your element. Yeah, I
don't know, you know, the first couple of hours of
the show, I don't know what I'm doing. But right
now that's gonna hit my stride between seven and seven,
that's my stride. I don't know that you have a stride.
I don't. I don't know if stride is a word

(41:56):
that I would use to to determine you. All Right,
So we're gonna talk a good it about the NFL
this this hour. We're also gonna have John Campbell from
Odd Shark come in and talk a little bit of gambling,
hopefully making some money over these holidays with Black Friday
coming up. You need the bank account to be in
good shape so that you can do whatever it is
that you need to do for your family. And as
Jeff mentioned, if you're getting married, the thing that you

(42:16):
need to do for your family is to just listen
to her. And that's what we got from Mike Leach
there in the first hour. A lot of you enjoyed
that audio. We may hit it again before the end
of the program. But that's not all Mike Leach had
to say. He also went on a rant about the
college football playoff Committee, and again, Mike Leach in rare form.
He is all over this program today, as he should be.

(42:36):
Here's what he had to say about the playoff committee
and committees in general. This is awesome. We're American. We
love committees. Let's get us a committee. Well, who should
be on the committee? Well, I don't know. This guy
is a good guy, Let's have him on the committee. Well,
I mean there's people on the committee that don't even
have remote associations with football, nor have they at any

(42:59):
level other than being a fan. But you know what,
let's have him on a committee. Why not? And then, um,
I mean it'd be fun. We'd go to that resort,
we could talk, we could hang out at dinner, and
then we'll decide which four teams should go. We ought
to have an extended the playoff system, just like everybody

(43:21):
else does. I mean, this isn't reinventing the wheel. This
is instead of clumping down the road on our square wheel, uh,
considering the notion of rounding some of the edges off
so it'll spin. Okay, And then um, let's see, we
could copy the NFL. We could copy Division two, we

(43:42):
could copy one double A or whatever that division it's called.
Now that they changed all the initials because they want
to confuse everybody, and then they want to just all
of a sudden say how you're wrong because it's called
the ABC something or other and and so and now
you've got more to remember because we had a committee
and we don't have anything better to do than have

(44:03):
a committee. It changed all the initials. Bleach not a
big fan. If you didn't gather that from the audio
of the College Football Playoff Committee. The the top ten
that came out last night, Alabama, Miami, Clemson, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Auburn, Georgia,
Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Penn State rounding out that
top ten. Currently on the College Football Playoff Committee is

(44:27):
the chair of the director of Athletics of Texas Tech,
Frank Biemer, the former head coach of Virginia Tech, Jeff Bauer,
who used to be the head coach at Southern miss
Herb Deromady, who used to be the head coach at
Central Michigan. Chris Howard is the president of Robert Morris University,
but played college football and was a first team All American.
Tom Jernstead is the former n C double A executive

(44:48):
vice president who was a four year scholarship football student
athlete at jeff the University of Oregon between ninette and
nineteen sixty seven. Bobby Johnson, who coached at Vanderbilt Jeff Long,
is the director of athletics at Arkansas. Rob Mullins, who
is the director of athletics at jeff University of Oregon,
The director of athletics Clemson University, Dan Radakovich, Gene Smith,

(45:11):
the director of athletics at Ohio State. Steve Wiberg, who
is the former college football reporter for USA Today one
of the ten most powerful people in college sports after
thirty years of writing for USA Today, and Tyrone Willingham,
of course we know as a former head coach at
three different places, so I don't necessarily disagree with some

(45:33):
of the things he was saying. I definitely believe in
eight team playoff with all five major conference winners are
the big five getting in with three wild cards, are
three at large selections after that is where we're probably
headed and where we should be, and that will be
the perfect number. But his comments about people not having
anything to do with football, I don't know if he
was just talking about Condoleeza Rice, who was course not

(45:55):
there anymore. She was on the first three years from
two thousand fourteen to two thousand six team, but it's
not part of the committee now. Clay believes that she
should be the commissioner of the NFL, and there's certainly
an argument for that to be made, and it has
been made for four or five years now if you
read the trades and read some of the publications. But
Mike Leach and the playoff committee as a whole, Jeff,

(46:15):
what's your reaction to kind of how he laid it out?
He used the word committee about fifteen to sixteen times.
It was clearly the Peewee's playhouse big word of the day.
But what did you think about what he had to
say in general? Well, my favorite thing about about that
was the rant on the labeling of the divisions. He
used to be division one, Division one, double a division.

(46:36):
Well division two, still say, now it's what FBS is.
Football is the football division, which is Division one, right,
FCS Division two. Wonder why I should say like that.
That was great because I totally agree with that. Like
I I don't know why they changed it. Um had
to make it look nice. Um, I'm I'm fine by
way with the committee. UM. I think generally they get
it more right than they get it wrong. Um. It's

(46:58):
okay to have some outside voices, some some people that
don't have affiliations with conferences or don't affiliations with with schools. Um.
But I do think that they're professionals. Right, So you know,
there's two guys from organ on the committee, or they're
not gonna vote an organ this year because there's they're
they're seven and five, right, So I think they generally
do a good job. Does he want the BCS to

(47:18):
come back. I mean, I I don't know what other
option there is as far as going to eight team playoff. Um,
I'm kind of on defensive out. I think the four
team playoff really um allows for a lot of competition,
allows for a lot of this this chaos talk. Um,
it makes you try to be perfect. I guess the
idea if you have eight team playoff is you don't

(47:39):
have to be perfect, right, you can have a one
or two loss. You get all five power conferences. But
look the PAC twelve this year. As much as I
love to say it's a great conference, they don't deserve
to have someone in the playoff. So if you go
to a team playoffs and you have to put in
a USC or Washington or even a Washington State Mike
Leeches school, who's really not deserving a playing for national
champion uh you mean now championship? And then you end

(48:01):
up with what Alabama playing an eight seed Washington State.
I mean, that's not a fun game. And even in
Alabama playing Wisconsin as a four seen might not be
a fun game. So I think you just get into
a lot of matchups that that are not very appealing
if you make it. Uh, you know, an eight team playoffs,
So I'm good with four. I think it it had
provides a sense of urgency for college football and provides
a lot of debate topics. If you have an eight

(48:22):
team playoff, are we really debating very much of this? Right?
The winner of the five of the five conferences and
then it's Notre Dame, Ohio State and another SEC team. Like,
it's not much of a of a debate in my mind,
So I like we're at with four. It's exciting. Uh,
it makes the regular season um very valuable. And you know,
losing the game is is not good. Obviously, losing two

(48:42):
games you're probably out. So I'm good with four. That's
the sports analysis that you come to out kick. The
coverage for losing games is not good obviously. That's a
quote from Jeff Schwartz. You can put it next to C. S.
Lewis or Leo told Story or whatever you want. That
is exceptional breakdown right there. I mean, you know, you
can lose a game in pro football if you have

(49:04):
a playoff seed wrapped up already, So it's okay to
lose sometimes. Yeah, I mean the four is I mean
before is fine? Yeah, I'm sure that you have but
eight teams just it seems like the right number four
is certainly look, four is going to be absolutely fine.
But I do like the idea of the power of
five all getting somebody in and having three at largest.

(49:25):
I don't know that Alabama and Washington State would be
that bad. I might rather watch that than Alabama and
Wisconsin quite frankly. But Leech certainly has a motive to
say one that the playoffs should be expanded and that
the committee is problematic because he knows the Pack twelve
is about to get left out in the cold this year,
and he had an opportunity everybody. That's an opportunity from me. Yeah,

(49:46):
And I don't necessarily disagree with that. I don't uh.
None of them have been good enough to stand up
to what we've seen throughout the rest of the country.
I would bet you that Danny g and Justin would
probably try to make an argum it would you guys
make an argument at all for the for the Pack
twelve having a shot or that would be better to
have an eight team playoffs this year. We talked about

(50:07):
it yesterday and Clay mentioned, look, you might have a
might have a team that has three losses that could
sneak in in that case in some years or two losses,
I don't know if that's more preferable or not. But whatever,
whoever wins the pack twelve, I can't imagine too many
people are gonna be upset if they weren't to get
in the playoffs. So many things would have to happen
this year to get them in there. Do you like

(50:28):
the idea of an eight team playoff or do you
like it the way it is? I definitely like the
idea of an eight team playoff, and like I'm I'm
under you know, no, uh, you know illusion that that
USC deserves to be in the in you know, the
top four in a in a four team playoff, but
you know, if it was eight teams, I would like
to see, you know, how they would do in a
you know, winner take all kind of thing. But uh,

(50:51):
you know, it's it's something that I would definitely think.
It's one of the few things I agree with play
on was that was that was very very effective by you, Danny.
Do you feel the same way. I don't care either way,
to be honest with you, because my college football day, well, no,
I do, I I do, I'm more of a casual
college football fan. But here on the West Coast, we're

(51:12):
used to sec in a CC bias. So the fact
that the West Coast is left out, it's one of
the you know, it's one of the areas in sports
where we've always kind of been on the outside looking
in a little bit fair enough, it's always better when
l A is on the outside looking in. In most situations,
California dominate. We dominate everything else, including food. So you mean,

(51:36):
like the World Series this year dominate that, Uh, we're
your braves anywhere close to even sniffing a playoffs plug? Man,
I got over that back in June. I didn't make it.
I didn't make it to become the bridesmaid. We weren't
invited to the wedding, like at all. Like apparently wedding
is the theme of the day here on this show.
After Mike Leech, it's just kind of all over us

(51:58):
right now. But again, Alabama, Miami, Clemson, Oklahoma, those four
teams in particular, and Wisconsin. If those five teams have
it within themselves to make it if they win, And
I do like the idea that that many teams control
their own destiny, that they don't necessarily have to rely
on other situations. Auburn you could also probably include in

(52:20):
that mix. So that's six teams that if they win out.
If Auburn were to go beat Alabama and then go
beat Georgia again, they're obviously going to get into the playoff,
and then you have it. Then you may have a
question on the other side, But Miami and Clemson are
going to cancel each other out, and then you're left
with Alabama, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, and then you know one of
those teams with Miami or or Clemson, and so there's

(52:40):
still some things to be decided. It's is it better
to be this complicated at this point in the season, guys,
or is it a little bit confusing? Or do you
or do you matter? Or doesn't matter at all? Because
we know kind of I think we know three of
these four teams. We feel pretty confident in what's gonna
happen there dependent on a few results. But is it

(53:01):
better to be this complicated in terms of you can't
describe this tomorrow at the Thanksgiving dinner table. The things
that I'm gonna tell you to avoid talking about the
president would be one that I would avoid. I would
avoid talking about LaVar ball tomorrow as well, perhaps NFL ratings,
like there will be NFL games on tomorrow, two of

(53:21):
them are very good, and we're gonna discuss them when
we come back from the break, as well as what
else is going on just craziness across the league. But
that third game tomorrow is gonna be a little bit
of a slog. But as you're watching that game, try
to avoid the wire the ratings down discussion because it's
gonna lead you to places that you don't want to
go at the dinner table, I would suggest. The other
thing that I would say is if you don't want

(53:43):
everyone to fall asleep, not just because of the trip
to fan but because of the content of your discussion,
avoid laying out all the playoffs scenarios at the dinner
table tomorrow for college football, because unless you have a
journal in front of you, a notebook or something like that,
and you're writing down all these different scenarios, it's just

(54:04):
gonna go over people's head. Clay lighted out and it
took him about fifteen minutes yesterday on the show, and
he came back from the break and asked me how
I thought, and I said, well, I was taking notes,
so I got most of what you had to say.
Most people are not gonna be taking notes because it's
tough to take notes when you have a fork in
your other hand. Find something else to discuss. Do you like, Jeff,
how complicated this could potentially be in terms of how

(54:26):
this could shake out. Yes, because the importance of these
games are magnified. So you have an a CEC championship
game next week where losers probably out. If you have
an eight team playoff, losers probably in. You have an
SEC championship game, let's it ends up being Bama and Georgia. Um.
And if they met in the in Atlanta next week
and a loser of that game with the eight team

(54:46):
playoff is probably in. So there's so there's no you know,
the sense of urgency for a lot of these games, um,
is not the thing. If you have a Wisconsin in
Ohio state, now Ohouse state with two losses would be
out if they lose that game. UM, But I just
go with a sense of urgency. Um, it's just not
the same. Which if you have an eight team playoff. Now,
a lot of these games, you know, the Iron Bowl
means to me, I think it means a lot more

(55:06):
towards the playoff with a four team player even eight
team playoff, it probably doesn't because Bama. If Bama loses
the Iron Bowl this weekend with the eight team playoff,
they're probably in. It is one of those three wild
card type teams. If they lose to Auburn on Saturday,
they're probably out of the playoff now. So I think
it has a sense of urgency to a lot of
these late season games to have a four team playoff

(55:28):
versus eight team playoff. Alright, so you were saying one
thing and then then we'll get to break here, but
you were mentioning that if there was an eight team playoff,
will be arguing, Well, we argued over the sixty team
in the n C Double A Tournament for a long,
long long time. I think Patrick Henry said it best.
Death and taxes are two things that will always be
there for you. The third thing is Dick Vital being

(55:51):
upset that Drexel is left out of the n C
Double A Tournament every year every year? How do you
leave dregs a lot of the n C Double A Tournament.
I feel so bad for these kids Drexel left out
of the n C Double A Tournament was just as
much of a probability, and the rant that Dick Vital
was going to go on where he looked like a
muppet washed on hot by the end of it, death

(56:14):
taxes and Drexel left out of the n C Double
A Tournament. So if we're arguing about Drexel being in
or out or Monmouth being in and out, I still
think that the nine and ten and eight nine ten
right there would still be quite the argument for college football.
That's just a thought. On the other side, we'll switch.
We'll talk some more about the NFL. We haven't done
that very much yet. Two big games tomorrow around well,

(56:38):
I guess your lunch table before most of it, and
then that second game is gonna be really intriguing as well.
If Cowboys lose it, they're pretty much done. So we
will lead off there, get into the weekend slate, and
then all these playoffs scenarios. We got one conference it's
gonna be so much fun to watch, and another one
that's basically the pack twelve. We'll be right back. This
is out kicked the coverage with Jeff and j mar

(56:59):
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Clay Travis down in Naples with his family. I'm joined
by seven year NFL offensive line veteran Jeff Schwartz, now

(57:41):
talks for a living. Is it seven years, Jeff? Do
I get it right? It's eight? Oh? It's eight? Yes?
Does that include like practice squad time or is that legiti?
They credited me my practice squad year for my pensions,
so that counts down, Danny? Do we count that? I
know that's what he's saying counts. Is that count? There

(58:04):
you go? Yeah, I got my my benefits fight. Look
the practice squad year though I did everything except playing
the game, I did more that year than I did
on any of the years I was on injured reserve.
Tougher to watch you and your squad practice squad time
or the a f C right now. I mean, seriously,

(58:24):
like I grew up an a f C guy, I've
been a Broncos fan my entire life, you know. I
I've always loved the a f C and have always
kind of looked at them as the better conference. I
don't know that that's been true now for a couple
of years, But man, I don't think I've ever seen
the a f C as down as it is right now.
There have been years where we've seen a seven win
team and was it the Rams? A few years ago

(58:44):
it was a seven win team that won their division,
the Panthers, that's right, and got into the postseason. So
we've seen this kind of thing before. I think we're
going to see another seven win team potentially in the
a f C, maybe get into the playoffs this year
as well. But how bad is the a f C
this year? Well, it's tough because the Chiefs have kind
of taken a nose dive. They were up there, and
you know, they beat the Patriots in Week one, and

(59:05):
we thought after the five games they were they might
be the team to finally kind of break through this
Patriots and Steelers uh current that's been hanging over the
a FC for so many years. But look, it's the same,
it's the same, same quarterbacks. I just say, in the
last fifteen years, it's been Peyton Manning big men and
Tom Brady and the Super Bowl except the one year
Flacco ended up winning the Super Bowl. Otherwise it's been
just dominated by those teams and those quarterbacks. And look,

(59:28):
I like watching the Patriots play. I think they play
the game, I mean the right ways. Sounds terrible. I
hate when people say that, but I enjoy watching them
play because I like Tom Brady. But yeah, it would
be nice if the a f C we're to have
some sort of challengers to those teams, and you know
they'll they'll I think they score off in Week fifteen
together Patriots Dealers, so we get a little bit, but
probably a NFC Conference uh title game rematch. But for me,

(59:51):
I'm hoping I'm a Chiefs fan. I hope that they
can somehow get that magic back from the first five
weeks of the season. They can get that back somehow,
which I'm I hope they do. The a little skeptical
that they can come back. They can challenge the Patriots
and the Steelers in the a f C. But otherwise
there's no one else. Like the Titans aren't being any
of those teams. The Ravens are gonna beat any of
these teams in the playoffs. Jacksonville is not gonna beat

(01:00:13):
the Steelers and the Patriots. However, I'll tell you this.
This sounds really weird to say because they have their
quarterback as Blake Bortles. But Jacksonville is good enough on defense,
and they can run the ball well enough where they
will scare the Patriots and or the Steelers if they
face them in the playoffs, Like they'll scare them just enough.
They probably won't win because it's Tom Brady against Blake Bortles,

(01:00:34):
but don't get them a scare to where that game
could be good, like they'll money up the game. They're
ugly up enough to where they have a chance. Now,
the one team that no one really is talking about,
and we'll get to Thursday night tomorrow. Um is the Chargers.
The Chargers are four and six. They've won a couple
of games in a row. They've had some really bad losses,
which which kind of disqualifies them I think to really

(01:00:55):
be contender here. But they have a really easy schedule
on the way out. If they can get to air
and nine wins, which will be tough to do, but
I think they can manage it. They're a team that
will be playing with a lot of momentum. They sneak
into the playoffs kind of how the Ravens did a
couple of years ago, kind of how the Packers have
done from the wild card position as well. And they
can scare a lot of teams with with Rivers, with
that pass rush, Um, they'll put a scare of the

(01:01:17):
teams that they can get into the playoffs. Answer me
this as somebody that obviously worked on the offensive line
for eight, not seven, but eight years. When you watch
that pass rush in San Diego, I know Eddie Garcia,
who we're gonna go to in a sports update here
in just a second, huge Chargers fan, But when you
look at a guy like Joey Bosa. How scary is
Joey Bosa even as a lineman, just in somebody that

(01:01:39):
you would have to deal with on a regular basis
to try and protect your quarterback. Well, I watched them
when they play in Los Angeles, Now, which you make
the mistakes? Okay, well, goodness, that's right. It's whatever. Its
the same thing. I do the same thing. I called him.
I called San Diego Chargers on NFL radio the other day,
and I get braided for that. Anyways, I totally get
it because no one in l A cares at the Chargers.

(01:02:00):
I mean, it's it's we've talked about this enough. I
don't know why they moved to l A. But that's
another another topic. Um My brother told me last year.
So my brother plays right tackle for the Chiefs. Um
he said last year that Joey Bosa was the most
polished rookie he had ever gone against. And he's just
continuated that this year. And they put they put Ingram
and Bosa on the same side sometimes in third down situations,
and it's a terror for teams. They twist, they stunt, um,

(01:02:23):
they're legit pass rushers, and it would scare you because
typically if you have one pass rusher. You can game plan,
you know, we'll slide to this side, we'll do this
type of thing. But against the Charges, you can't do that.
And he goes against the right tackle, which for some reason,
teams still don't value right tackles, even though the best
pass rushers in the NFL play over the right tackle.
Right you have Cleil Mack and Von Miller and Justin Houston,

(01:02:46):
Joey Bosa and j J. Watt when he's healthy, they
go over the right tackle. And you know, even DeMarcus Lawrence,
who who was leading the NFL and sacks for a
long period of the year for the Cowboys, is over
the right tackle, and the teams don't value that. So
you have Joey also going against the right tackle who's
not as good as a left tackle. And it's scary
to have to play the Chargers now. You know, to me,

(01:03:07):
if you can get up, you know, a lead on
the Chargers, you you get the pass rush by being
able to run the football, which seems to have have been
able to do. But yeah, that pass rush will carry
as well, carrying the playoffs, carrying cold weather. So that's
why the Chargers I think would be scary if they
were to the back door their way into the playoffs.
Michael Modesto tweets me and says, clearly you did not
watch the Super Bowls in the eighties when he's talking

(01:03:27):
about how I said the a f C was a
superior conference. Touche. I watched my Broncos lose to the Giants,
the Redskins and the forty niners and increasingly embarrassing fashion
each time. Yeah, thanks for thanks for remembering the score. Um,
I think I could have cried through that game. Honestly,
I would. I would remember I was sick. I actually
had the flu. It was the flu or of virus
that I had during the Redskins Super Bowl when Doug

(01:03:49):
Williams just absolutely embarrassed us in that second Super Bowl
that we had during the eighties. So touche on that.
The NFC has certainly been a very good conference. I
guess just when your team is in one ofference, you
enjoy that conference more for whatever reason. But yes, he's
he's right on that. And I said to San Diego,
charges which I'm sure means Eddie Garcia is probably not
even gonna be there when I go to him now,

(01:04:10):
but I'm gonna try and fix it, noted Los Angeles
Charger season ticket holder and fan the legendary Eddie Garcia.
What's up, Eddie Jason, you were half right, uh, season
ticket holder by marriage, but a Pittsburgh Steelers fan. So
I married into the Chargers thing and don't feel bad.
I'll call it him San Diego. I did it about

(01:04:30):
ten times on on Sunday night, so I'm not even uh,
I'm not even converted over properly. College football, we had
the top four in the latest playoff rankings and they
were the same as last week's top four, with one
minor tweak. Alabama still one, while Miami and Clemson flip flop.
Miami goes from three to two, Clemson from two to three.
In Oklahoma is still at number four, Wisconsin undefeated, Wisconsin

(01:04:52):
still the first team outside looking in at number five,
and Auburn is at number six. Houston Chronicles reporting the
Texas am is gonna fire right coach Kevin Someone after
the a He's game against l s U this Saturday.
In the NFL, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones apparently not going
to sue the league over Commissioner Roger Goodell's penning contract
extension that he's as he had threatened. However, in the future,
Jones reportedly would like the owners, all of them, not

(01:05:13):
just the six members of the compensation committee, to be
allowed to review the commissioner's contract before it's approved. Raiders
fire defensive coordinator Ken Norton Jr. The Broncos announced that
Paxton Lynch is gonna start a quarterback Sunday against the Raiders.
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(01:05:57):
Appreciate it, Eddie coming to you live and the guy
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(01:06:20):
now just a Charger's season ticket holder because of marriage
and probably a good move on his part. These are
things that I'm gonna need to learn. Yes, you will.
I gotta make the wife happy. Yeah, it's definitely been
a wedding thing. Today, Let's bring in our good friend
from odd shark dot com, John Campbell. He is at
Johnny Odds Shark. He's gonna be on with us here

(01:06:41):
in just a second, as we're gonna try and make
you some money as we look at these three games
that are coming up tomorrow, Minnesota and Detroit. Is a really,
really interesting football game and one that I can't wait
to watch. Then the Chargers, who have been the subject
of a lot of talk on this program over the
last five minutes or so, against the Cowboys, and then
the Giants against the red Skins, and the Giants apparently
just show up against good teams and still are no good.

(01:07:04):
But they've now just well, you know what, They've just
kind of dominated the a f C West. It's kind
of how that's gone. They've beaten the Broncos and they've
beaten the Chiefs. Today show up against good teams, but
I thought only one of those two teams that they
played was good. Thanks for that. I appreciate you continuing
to go back and talk about my Broncos being a
struggling team. Paxton Lynch getting to start this Sunday we

(01:07:26):
can talk. We need to talk about the Broncos, by
the way, after John because the way I feel like
it's skating a little bit here, and he deserves a
lot of the blame for what's happening in Denver. John
Elway is an upstanding citizen and a great great American,
as is John Campbell Johnny Odd Shark on Twitter, John,
Happy Thanksgiving week to you. Yeah, thanks? Do you guys?

(01:07:47):
So talk to me. Well, first off, I gotta say
this because this is gonna this is gonna hurt you.
But I've only gambled on one game in my entire life,
and it was when I was in I think it
was middle school, and it was the Science and the
Bills and the Super Bowl, which turned out to be
the Scott Norwood game, and it was part of a
class experiment. I've never gambled on a sporting event in

(01:08:09):
my life. How much does that hurt you? Not too well,
it hurts me, but I understand when you start with
a game like that, you're you're starting off on the
wrong foot. But but for me, I'm usually not too
interested unless I have a little something invested on it.
So there are three games tomorrow, uh, two of them

(01:08:29):
more interesting than the third. But let's take them in order.
Minnesota at Detroit that's the first game. The Fox game
tomorrow from ford Field Detroit obviously needing to win badly
in Minnesota on a complete tear. This is one that,
as someone who knows nothing about gambling, I would want
no part of because both these two teams scare me

(01:08:49):
quite frankly. Yeah, well, I hear the Lions scare me.
But but I love the Vikings and and this team
just doesn't seem to be able to get any respect.
And uh, every time they see a small spread, they
seem to cover it. And they've seen a lot of them.
And here we are again. They opened as a pick
and Vikings are now minus three. But the Vikings are

(01:09:10):
twenty nine and ten against the spread in their last
thirty nine games where they've set been set anywhere as
a three point dog to a three point favorite. So
I really liked the Vikings in this one. Their their
defense is so good. But but one of the overlooked
things about this Minnesota team is is the improvement of
their own of their own line. They're they they're tied
for allowing a few of sacks this year and Case

(01:09:31):
Game was playing pretty good at quarterback. Yeah, that's that
The stat that has jumped out to me. Just huge
about the Vikings in the last five games. You want
to talk about how good the offensive line has played,
and as well as case Keenom has been able to
get the ball out of his hands, Case Keenom has
been sacked exactly one time in the last five games.
That is, it's awesome, and only five times since he started,

(01:09:54):
since he took over as starter, and this minial line
was just a mess lab sweet last season, So huge,
huge improvement here, Chargers at Dallas. Dallas is trying to
cling onto the very end of their playoff hopes. The
Chargers could be playing the best football in the a
f C West right now. Hang on to whatever maybe

(01:10:14):
little hopes that they still have, and then the Chargers
may be playing better than anybody in their division at
current time. Looks like it's even right now at odds
shark dot com. How do you look at that one? Well,
a few books open this one around three and a
half or four and not surprisingly a lot of the
action coming in on the Chargers here and smashed it
back down to a pick. I'd be careful of this one.

(01:10:35):
I know the Cowboys uh aren't playing great without Ezekiel Elliott,
but but the Chargers are banged up on the old
line and they do give up a bunch of yards.
So so this one scares me, probably the most out
of the three. Chargers also have their starting center Spencer Pulley.
He's questionable, which leaves them thin there. And I've talked

(01:10:56):
on the show before about the importance of the starting
center and next to the quarterback. That's the injury that
that oddsmakers take most seriously. So I'm a little nervous
of this game more than the others. I really like
the under, if anything under forty points in this one.
Talking about starting centers being out the night game, the
nightcap Washington and New York. Uh, this game means a

(01:11:17):
lot for the Redskins, doesn't mean so much for the
Giants besides being a division game. But Washington is without
their center most likely and their favored by seven a half,
which seems like a large line for a rivalry game. Yeah. Absolutely,
And you said it, Jeff with uh with with Tony
Bergstrom now looks like he's gonna start at center for
for the Redskins and he just joined the roster on Monday,

(01:11:37):
And I have no idea. I mean, you could probably
tell us better. How how tough is that to come
in on a Monday and try to start at center
on a Thursday in the NFL. UM, that's gonna be
super tough for him, especially going against the Giants. Uh
D line if snacks by now, Damian Harrison was was
a little beat up played Sunday, got a little more
beat up, but I think he ended finishing the game,

(01:11:58):
and it's gonna be tough, uh to go against that
player having come in Monday. Now. Luckily for him, they
have a good rest of the offensive line. If those
guys all play with they're all healthy, so that will
help him. And obviously playing with Cousins who's been in
the system for a long time, we'll be able to
help the center. But I agree, I think that not
enough has been put on um offensive linement. However, you know,

(01:12:19):
we talk all the time privately about offensive line play,
and there's been times this year where I've been proven
totally wrong. If you look at Washington go to Seattle
winning a game with down four offensive linement, I generally
think that offensive line does matter to the line. Yeah, yeah,
I agree, and and and it's amazing what the Redskins
done with the banged up all the line recently. And

(01:12:39):
if you do like the favorite here, something that that
backs you on this one is that favorites of seven
points are more do really well in these Thanksgiving games.
Over the last ten seasons, there's thirteen and one straight up,
so they make nice money line parlays, and they're eleven
and three against the spread. Uh, so they tend to
do really well the favorites. Uh, they've tend to cover
these big numbers on Thanksgiving. Wait a second, We've only

(01:13:04):
got about thirty seconds or so. John, just quickly, what
are your favorite college football players this weekend? And maybe
give us a thought on the two big games Ohio
State Michigan and Alabama Auburn. Yeah. I I cheer for Michigan,
but I just can't find a way to back them here.
I just don't think they're gonna be able to score
enough and keep up with Ohio State, and that line
is coming down. I love, love, love Auburn. I've been

(01:13:25):
big on them the last few weeks. I took them
straight up and against the spread here. I I think
these are the top two teams in the country though,
So I think it's gonna be an awesome game. John,
always good to catch up with you. Enjoy the Thanksgiving holidays.
Should be some fun football over the next few days
as well, you two guys. Thanks, thank you. That's John
Campbell of odd Shark Johnny odd Shark on Twitter, odd

(01:13:46):
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on the other side, We're gonna let Jeff blaspheme about
John Elway, but I might actually agree with him. Stick around.
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don't know if it's rotten in Denmark, but it seems
to be rotten in Denver right now. Has not been
a good year for John Elway and the Broncos and
John Elways speaking first to the softness of the Broncos
team at this stage in the season, I was talking
about everybody. I wanted just talking about the football team.
So I wouldn't just talk about the football team, and

(01:14:49):
I want just talking about the coach that I was
talking about, everybody in the organization, and the kind of
the track where that we've had. And and sometimes success
will make you soft, and you won't pay attention to
some of the details that you need to be that
you need to, you know, pay attention to. And so
we've got and and I put myself first in line
there that audio courtesy of Orange and Blew seven sixty

(01:15:10):
John Elway talking about the softness of his team. He
relieved offensive coordinator Mike McCoy of his duties there as
things just were not going well. He elevated quarterbacks coach
Bill Musgrave, who Danny g knows very well and all
Raiders fans know very well. Now he is the offensive
coordinator in Denver. And here is his explanation from that
same interview about the decision to move on from Mike McCoy.

(01:15:34):
Something had to change, you can't, you know, sometimes you
have to make mood because the definition of insanity's doing
the same thing over and over. Uh And expecting different results.
You know, Mike was probably the you know, the one
that took the fall, but that it was not all
Mike by any means. Um. You know, everybody has a
piece in this and we just gotta figure out how
to get pulled out of this nose. Unfortunately started with Mike.

(01:15:56):
It's true, it's definitely not all the offensive coordinator because
he's off the one that's actually throwing the passes. Now,
before I give this to Jeff and let him try
to bury John Elway, I will just mention this. Elway
took over a four and twelve football team in Denver
in two thousand and ten, then won five straight division
titles in the a f C West to a f
C Conference championships and then one Super Bowl after of

(01:16:17):
course losing to the Seahawks. So I set that up
to go ahead and let you try and tear down
John Elway. All right, they've lost six in a right,
they lost ten twenty one nothing where you know, defensively
played well, lost the Chiefs and then the defense kind
of went off the rails against the Eagles and the Patriots,
and last week they played better. But offensively they struggle
all the season, which we know, and this falls on

(01:16:39):
John Elway for not bringing in a quarterback or not
drafting the quarterback who's good, I mean playing simple. They
brought an Osweiler, didn't work. I mean they even drafted
him White when they had paid Manning that that did
not work. They have Lynch. Now, Lynches give his first
reee opportunity to play this year. We'll see how he does.
Trevor Simeon is a no go and that falls directly
on John Elway for not addressing that position or not

(01:17:00):
addressing it with players that are good enough. You look
at the offensive line. Now they've done a good job
of trying to build that up, but they still have
issues at right tackle. It's been away for many years now. Defensively,
they lost a leader in t J. Ward, and John Ellaway,
by the way, goes out and calls the team soft,
which I would not do publicly if I was a
gm A. You can have that conversation priorly with your team.

(01:17:21):
It does the same exact thing um as far as
the message being sent. Now you do it in the media,
so now the players are embarrassed. Look, the two things
that you never want to, you know, call a player
is soft and lazy, especially not publicly. So now you've
opened yourself up to criticism. You've now undermined Vance Joseph
his first year as a head coach, trying to get
um some sort of uh you know message across to

(01:17:45):
his team, trying to build up his own identity as
a head coach, his own identity as a Denver Bronco team.
And now you undermine him by publicly going out and
calling your team soft, which again is a big no
no in in my opinion. And now you have to
clarify your comments on Tuesday, which look, you met. When
you met, you weren't calling yourself out. Otherwise you would
have called yourself out right away. Um. And to me,

(01:18:06):
you know, one thing also they lost was Wade Phillips.
Now way, folks, was a defensive coordinator the last couple
of years. He's done a fantastic job. He went to
l A and now the Rams are one of the
best defensive teams as well, and they basically let him
go for free, just said, hey go, you know you're gone.
We don't need you anymore. So I think he's done
a lot of moves that have been um that have
not worked out for the Broncos. Look, Payton Manning was great.

(01:18:27):
They brought him, and he recruited. He's done a great job.
But look, John Elways a former quarterback, and you think
he'd be able to evaluate the quarterback position better. So
I just think that he's kind of skating right here
when it should be him who's being looked at. Is
not doing enough to get this team, especially talent wise,
to where they're able to compete in the A s C. West.
So Charles Robinson at Yahoo dot com, one of their

(01:18:48):
senior reporters in NFL scribe out there, does a really
good job, and he wrote a good piece about John
Elway and he kind of backed up what you said.
It is troubling that he hasn't been able to draft quarterbacks.
I know we only have about a minute left in
this segment. But after Brian Xanders, who left following the draft,
he was a previous general manager in Elway kind of
helped to usher him out the door. John got Peyton

(01:19:10):
Manning in there, and then he won a Super Bowl
with a lot of the guys that Brian Sanders had
played in. Now, this is interesting. John always made thirty
eight draft picks since zero pro Bowlers. That is interesting,
to be sure, and then the quarterback position is an issue.
We're gonna see Paxton Lynch on Sunday against the Raiders.

(01:19:31):
The Raiders are a five point favorite right now, and
that's probably fair in the Raiders, of course making their
own moves. Letting Ken Norton Jr. Go the defensive coordinator,
will let Danny g talk about that. He went on
quite a rant about the Raiders on this program a
couple of days ago, so we'll we'll talk about that
to open the third hour. Also, if you missed the
Mike Leach wedding audio, we're gonna play that again for
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(01:20:39):
offensive line Jeff Schwartz, now a professional talker, at least
that's what he says he is. You can follow him
on Twitter at Jeff Schwartz g E o FF. And look,
there's NFL news. There's three big games tomorrow. We've got
Barrett Sallee coming up in the next segment, of course
from CBS Sports. We'll talk all about the college football
playoff and this coaching carousel that is just provide so

(01:21:00):
much entertainment news coming out that Clay was right. He
reported this and we kind of speculated it for weeks.
Kevin someone not gonna be back at Texas A and
m chip kelly trying to decide between Florida and u
c l A if you read some reports. But Saturday
Down South has a report out that says that there's
a third team in play, and it may well be
Texas A and M who has that in that enormous

(01:21:20):
nine point seven billion dollar oil driven endowment that could
certainly provide something for chip Kelly if he wanted to
get into the SEC but didn't necessarily want to go
to Gainesville. We'll talk all about that with Barrett Sale
in the next segment. But with all the big news
and even the President and LaVar ball and that thing
is still continuing, as the President tweeted twice this morning

(01:21:41):
about LaVar and once about NFL ratings, because that's what
the President does. Jeff Schwartz drops into chat window. He's
down in Charlotte doing the show, and I'm in Nashville
in the regular confines, and it's so weird not to
have Clay here because the one thing that I know
every morning is I'm going to get a talking to
about how bad his commute was into this studio. He

(01:22:01):
doesn't even recognize that I have virtually the exact same commute,
but he rolls in for Lauren about what's happened, what
the morning. It's not for me at all. Like I mean,
the only thing is bad about the commune is having
to get up early because I'm not a morning person.
But fifteen minutes later, I'm in the studio and within
thirty minutes or so of being here, my day is fine.

(01:22:23):
But Clay, well, he's been stopped for speeding at least twice.
That's what I was gonna say, is Jeff. He complains
that he has to drive slow like a grandma because
when he drives the speed he wants to go, he's
been pulled over. So there you go. Yeah, he's being
pulled over in his in his Mercedes at four fifteen
to come make millions of dollars. But he comes in

(01:22:45):
here and he is just so beside himself. He's gonna
be the time when he decides he's just not gonna
come in here anymore. And I don't know what's going
to happen to the show at that point. But in
the chat window, Jeff just floors me because we have
these big stories to talk about any right in the
chat window, because he asked if he could use the restaurant,
if he had time to use the restaurant, I'm like, look,
you're not adding much to the show anyway. If you

(01:23:06):
want to go to use the restaurant, that's fine. Just
let me know when you're back and I'll come back
to you. And then he comes back and he writes
the water in that urinal was super cold. Well, joke
telling one on one. They always say, if you have
to explain your joke, then you know. But I thought
you I thought you get it though I didn't think
I have to explain the joke. I'm embarrassed at this point.

(01:23:28):
The college football playoff Alabama, Miami and Clempson, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Auburn, Georgia,
Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State. Looks like eight teams
really have a real shot with Bama, Miami, Clempson, Oklahoma, Wisconsin.
If they win out, they're gonna be in Auburn the
same way. I think Georgia a little bit more work
maybe that they have to do. And then it looks

(01:23:50):
like Ohio State even at nine because they have a
chance to beat Michigan and maybe beat them badly on Saturday,
and then would play Wisconsin in the Big Ten championship game,
which if they won, and you saw couple of other
results go a certain way for them, they could sneak in.
Notre Dame looks like they're probably out. Penn State is
number ten. They're certainly not going to get in after

(01:24:10):
losing to Ohio State and everything else that's happened to them.
But when you look at this, it's starting to shake
out properly. We talked about in the first hour, and
this is a good reason to go subscribe to the podcast.
We're well over a million downloads a month now. We
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(01:24:31):
that we are. We're nothing without you, guys, so we
couldn't thank you enough for all the support that you
bring us. But we talked about the eight team playoff
as a potential when we played Mike Leach's audio when
he went after committees as a whole, and then they're
just being four teams instead of eight, and Jeff, you
made an argument for why four teams breeds more competition,
and that competition actually brings with it drama. It does

(01:24:52):
look like there's not gonna be probably that harsh and
argument for the teams outside of the top four US
there are some just absolutely crazy things that happened over
the next couple of weeks. I agree with that, and
that's why I think that we're as much as we
think it's chaotic, I don't think it really is. You
have the winner of the SEC where that ends up

(01:25:12):
being Obama, Alburn or Georgia. Even Alburn with with two losses,
but if they end up beating in Alabama and Georgia
back to bad weeks, I think they're in. You have
the winner of of the Big Ten. If it's Wisconsin obviously,
now if it's Ohio State, I think some things have
to have to go in their favor for them to
be able to be in. But but they're probably pretty
close to being in if they end up beating Michigan

(01:25:33):
and end up beating end up beating an undefeated Wisconsin team.
You have the winner of the of the a SEC Championship,
which will be up in here in Charlotte in a
couple of weeks. Miami and climbs in. Who ever wins
that game, I believe it is going to be in
and the loser will be out. And then Oklahoma and
TCU will end up playing in the Big twelve championship
of Oklahoma takes care of business this weekend, and if

(01:25:55):
Oklahoma wins there in if they lose their out and
you might get either you know, maybe get the loser
of Miami Clemsing sneaks in there. If it's a close game.
Maybe this is a way for a house state to
get in NFL. Howse State beat with you know, beats Wisconsin.
But I don't think it's that terribly um difficult to
see kind of how this will play out. And now
if you go to a team like I said, then
you have I mean even less drama. I mean basically

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the top nine teams right now, eight of the nine
will be in if you do an eight team playoff. Yes,
that's how numbers generally work, I would say, because you'd
have to have a Pack twelve team in there, which
is in the past. And I'm a Pack twelve guy, USC, Washingtontate, Washington,
they're not deserving of being in a playoff. Well, at

(01:26:39):
least you're unbiased about the Pack twelve. I mean, us
see if things were to fall into their place and
they got a chance to play Washington State, for example,
in the Pack twelve Championship game, and we're able to
exercise the demons of the laws in Pullman on Friday
night that was earlier in this year. That might help
them out, but they still would need so much else
to go right to get into a four team playoff

(01:26:59):
and an eight team Maybe you could make that argument
a little bit easier. You talked about Miami and Clemson
playing each other in Charlotte here in a couple of
weeks in the a C C Championship game. That's a
game that fascinates me because as much as I've seen
in Miami over the last three or four weeks, really,
I think most of us started paying attention to them
during the Notre Dame game and then really started to
watch them, and the turnover chain became something that we

(01:27:21):
all cared to care to watch and things like that.
I don't know how that game plays out, honestly, because
I still don't know exactly how good Miami is. I
think they're good, but I'm not sure exactly how good
they are. And I've kind of feel the same way
about Clemson. They've got great skill players, and they're great
on both lines, but that that's not DeShawn Watson back

(01:27:42):
there anymore. It's Kelly Bryant. That's not the same team
that we saw a season ago. Yeah, if you look
at Miami before the Notre Dame game, you know, they
won a lot of close games against teams they're are
just kind of so. So. They beat Georgia Tech in
the very end of that game by one. They only
beat Florida State by four, They beat Syracuse by nine,
they beat u n C by five. You know, they
took care of business against votech And in a game

(01:28:03):
that that broke out kind of late, and then obviously
crushed Notre Dame. You know, Notre Dame didn't look ready
for for that stage. I think with Miami, like you
said about not following them early in the season, is
because it feels like they're a year or two away
from us considering them contenders. Because Mark Rats in the
second year has obviously done a great job of that program.
But we feel they're not they're kind of not ready

(01:28:24):
yet for this prime time. I think that's why most
of us would lean Clemson in the a C C
champion change because they've been there before. Yes, with a
new quarterback this year, of course, but defensively on the
lines are skill position players are probably better than Miami's
right now. So I would lean Clemson in that game,
especially basically being at the facto home game in Charlotte.
I mean, they'll sell that place out with a bunch

(01:28:45):
of that orange. Um. And by the way, that turnover chain, um,
it's obviously unique to Miami. But like Oregan tried to
do it the other day, it was terrible. Look, they
had an organ turnover chain. Like, guys, that Miami's doing it.
Let Miami have some fun with it. You come up
with something else. Yeah, you can't. You can't like the
same thing with an organ. Oh, Like that's not no, yeah,

(01:29:11):
because everybody knows you're just an impost at that point.
Like Oregan has always been known for the crazy uniforms
and being very unique in that way, and even the
play calling charts that Chip Kelly had back in the day,
and that now so many other teams have cribbed. You
can't crib the turnover chain because we all know where
it came from. Like, that's not that's not okay in
any way. Maybe we'll discuss that with Barrett Slee. He'll

(01:29:33):
be up with us after the break college football scribe
and guru for CBS Sports. Also the host of a
popular college football podcast. We'll talk about the playoff rankings,
We'll talk about these coaching situations, and because he's a
waffle House fan, we might actually talk a little bit
of waffle House as well. Stick around. That's on the
other side. This is out Kicked the Coverage with j
Martin Jeff Here on Fox Sports Radio. We bring in

(01:29:55):
college football analysts for CBS Sports. Also the host of
the Smothered and Covered podcast, Barrett Selee. Barrett, Happy Thanksgiving
Week to you. I mean Thanksgiving, But you were wrong
about that because in high school my walkout song when
I was a stud high school baseball player was genuine
my Pony, which we all know it was the greatest
song everything. Touche. I'm not I'm not gonna argue that one.

(01:30:15):
I was just talking about the major leagues. But you've
you've just kind of thrown us for You've just thrown
us for a loop. So the Playoff Committee rankings come
out yesterday or last night. I don't see anything here
that I'm too particularly upset with. Finally, Miami jumps Clemson,
as I think that they should, but that's gonna shake
out in a couple of weeks down in Charlotte. Anything
that jumps out to you about this, no, I mean

(01:30:36):
it was. It was basically par for the course. You know.
I was a little surprised that they did move Miami
ever Clemson, although I agree with that movie, I'm surprised
they actually did it. I guess marginally surprised that Ohio
State didn't jump Notre Dame. But I mean, let's let's
be real about what happened last night. When the biggest
controversy is how you CEF compares the Mississippi State, then

(01:30:57):
that tells you all you need to know about how
rate that show is on Tuesday nights. Because it's just
a programming tool. That's all it is. It's a tool
that programs the college football season. And yeah, they treat
some teams differently on different weeks for somewhat of a
no for no apparent reason whatsoever, And that's fine. Like

(01:31:18):
that's all that that is. And I love it like that.
Yesterday proved to me and Adam Kramer and I did
an entire show about the love of the college football
playoff rankings. All that did it is proved to me
that that is the greatest invention of all time because
it basically programs the sport for the final month of
the season. Alabama Auburn Iron Bowl. I'm an Alabama fan.

(01:31:40):
I am scared a little bit about Oklahoma if we
were to face them in a playoff because Mayfield has
that man Zela and him. He has that to Shaun
Watson where he looks like he can just make plays
out of the dirt when he has to and stay alive,
which is also annoying against the team in Alabama that's
dealt with some injuries, especially a linebacker, and may not
be as dynamic as in years past. But the other
team that scares me for Alabama is definitely Auburn. This

(01:32:02):
is gonna be a whale of a football game. It's
at Jordan's hair. Am I right to be just absolutely
horrified right now about the potential of this game? Yeah,
you're right, because Auburn is a a more complete football
team win it's at its best. Now, here's the thing
with these two teams. You know, Alabama and Auburn at
their best of both national championship caliber at their worst.

(01:32:23):
Alabama still is at their worst. Auburn is not. But
when you factor in that Auburn has been solid on
the defensive front all year long. They they established their
offense perhaps better than anybody in the country. As long
as they stick to it, they're a matchup problem for Alabama,
and they've been a matchup problem for Alabama all year
And that's why I picked them to win the SEC West.

(01:32:45):
Uh dating back to the SEC Immediate and love, you
look at what Alabama's problems are, and their offensive line
has just been okay all year long. It's been worse
over the month of November, but it's just been okay
all year long. And then you throw in the linebacking
the injuries that that's a problem even if you're thin

(01:33:07):
with experienced linebackers against Auburn, because you need that depth.
And then you throw in the fact that you're gonna
be counting on a guy like true freshman Dylan Moses,
who's a fantastic player, but you're counting on inexperienced guys
at a thin position against a team that gives you
a ton of eye candy North South and East West
both before the snap and after the snap, and stresses

(01:33:27):
depth because they run so much tempo. So yeah, you
should be terrified about all them because I think from
a matchup problem, uh, they are magic perspective. Uh, they
match up against Alabama better than any v madel VMA's
played this year by far. Before we get back to
college football, I'm gonna ask you about a photo you
posted on your Twitter page. You have a turkey brining

(01:33:47):
right now for Thanksgiving tomorrow? Are you are you you
gonna bake that turkey? Are you gonna rotistory? How we
cooking your turkey? We I smoke it on the big
green egg for three fifty or the plates that are
on for about six hours, and the ten pounds it's
like six and a half hours at three fifty. Put
some hickory smoke in there. We're gonna stuff it with
potatoes and onions and thyme and rosemary and stage and

(01:34:11):
all that stuff is frining and onions and orange rins.
Right now, it's uh, it's it's looking good. It's uh.
I'm a this is what this is. My favorite part
of Thanksgiving is getting up at four thirty in the
morning and wiping up the biggery negg and getting getting
everything ready to go. Yeah, I I just draped mind
a deep Frier for forty five minutes. I just live
in the South like now, I live in the South,
like I never I lived in the West Coast. I

(01:34:32):
grew up in the West Coast. I went to school
in the West Coast. Like we don't we don't fry turkeys.
I moved out to the South. And it's like the
greatest thing that I've ever eaten in my wife is
a fried turkey. Fried turkey is good. I've done. I've
done fried turkey. See, we we always do too because
we only end up having a ton of folks over.
So I do mine on the egg. Um. You know,
my wife and some other folks will will do the

(01:34:53):
deep fried turkey just because you know, it's always good
to have a spare a but b it's never bad
to have leftovers, So we go all out a Thanksgiving.
There's no doubt. I love that you said it's never
bad to have a spare turkey. So, going back to
college football this weekend, is there is there a team
if you look at some of these these rivalry games, Georgia,
Georgia Tech, Ohio State, Michigan, um, even I know a
rivalry game, but Wisconsin, Minnesota, any of these teams kind

(01:35:16):
of in the top seven that could stumble this weekend.
You think, yeah, Wisconsin. Minnesota is interesting because Wisconsin, even
though I think they're very football, you know, when you
play basically every game ten, you know, you sort of
put yourself at risk. And Minnesota they just announced this
morning that p J FLECT got an extension. They're not
that great this year, but they're definitely dedicating themselves to
p J FLECT. Maybe that gives them a boost. It's

(01:35:37):
that Minnesota, which obviously is gonna help. So I think
that one may be close. I think the lines like
two touchdowns in Vegas, that might be a little closer
than that. And I think South Carolina that is a
two touchdown game in Vegas against Clemson. I think South
Carolina can keep that relatively close as well because they
found a little bit of an offensive identity with a
J Turner. Jake Meltany is a good quarterback. He grew
up in the state of South Carolina, so he knows

(01:35:59):
how much this game me to everybody. And if you
were called two years ago, and I know it doesn't
really matter in terms of of this particular season, but
two years ago Clemson was great in South Carolina was horrible, horrible,
like flat out terrible, and they gave Clemson a game
and Clemson ended up going on to the College Football
Playoff National championship games. So I think that game can
be closed as well. I think South Carolina is um

(01:36:20):
still a little disrespected, probably because of the stigma that
will must Champ carries to his name, which is completely unfair. Uh.
And they'll they'll put a little fear and side in Clemson.
I think Kelly Bryant's gonna have to throw to win
that game. If you're We've talked a lot this morning
about eight team playoff. Mike Weaves talked about it. You know,
people love talking about this time here. I'm not a

(01:36:41):
fan of moving to eight team playoff. What do you
think about that? It's it's the dumbest idea ever to
move because you'd be favoring access over granting excellence. And
if there's two things that are great about college football,
one the postseason, the meaningful postseason, the definition of what
you know, what championship were the is changes based on

(01:37:01):
the specific year every year, and shouldn't that be the
goal that we reward the best team because of the
parameters of that specific year and nothing else. Uh, that
to me is important. And then when you factor in
an eight team playoffs, everyone can say, well, the top
eight teams would be great. It would never, ever, ever,
under any circumstances, in any way, shape or form, be

(01:37:23):
the top eight teams in the college football playoff rankings
that make the college football Playoff because the only way
the conferences sign off is if they get their conference
champions in automatically. So there's five right there, the group
of five champion would have the top group of five
team would have to be in, so there's six, and
then you would get two at larges. And you can't
tell me that in some years and in most years,

(01:37:44):
a team that's ranked or fourteenth, which would probably be
be in in that scenario, deserves the same kind of
shot at a national championship that an undefeated number one
or number two team. Judge, that's just not reality. And
I go back to the two thousand twelve seasons in
that scenario, which is how it would have to be
laid out, because it wouldn't get past any other way,
and unranked Wisconsin would have been in because they won

(01:38:06):
the Big Ten. It was something like number fifteen, Florida
State would have been in. Number fourteen goes in Illinois,
and then you would have to grant Notre Dame the exception.
They were number four that year, so they would gobble
up one of the at Larges and the and you
would have a situation where number three Oregon or I'm sorry,
number four Oregon would not have been in because they

(01:38:26):
didn't win the Pact twelve champions at Stanford did so
an eight team playoff is quite frankly, the dumbest idea
I've ever heard in the situation right now with college football.
The fact that we define excellence based on the parameters
of the specific season and not something silly like geo
geography and conference affiliation is awesome and more sports should

(01:38:51):
follow that same path or a similar path. Yea, barretts
Lee from CBS Sports, a college football writer for them.
Obviously he's with us right now. The where I let
you go, Barrett Um the coaching Carousels situation. Right now,
we're just talking like nothing has really happened yet. But
the report has come out that Kevin someone is inde
you gonna be out. I don't think anybody is surprised

(01:39:12):
by that. And there's gonna be other dominoes certainly to
fall there. But the chip Kelly talk has been between U, C,
L A and Florida. First, between those two, where do
you think if chip Kelly were to make a decision
there and come back to coaching now, which one of
those two is a better fit. And then there's a
report in a couple of places that there's a third
team that's also vying for chip Kelly that currently does

(01:39:32):
not have a coaching vacancy. And some are speculating, especially
because of that in that gigantic endowment, the Texas A
and M has that maybe that's A and M And
what what might that mean for chip Kelly? Yeah, I
would imagine that is Texas and first with Kevin someone
you know, surprise and and and everything, but they know
they know they're getting fired, like they've known that months now,

(01:39:53):
so um and all he's doing is making sure he
gets that buyout money, which just for him, let that
buyout life. That that's the dream. U. The biggest thing
when it comes to chip Kelly is it's where comfort
is for him, because I think it's now sort of
gut as a bust. If Florida doesn't get him. I'm
not sure it is because they can find people schematically
that can do close to what Chip Kelly can do.

(01:40:14):
Uh and and many of whom are better, more relentless recruiters,
which has been a problem at Florida under Jim McWane.
I personally still think he ends up at Florida now
U U C L A is going to shoot their shot.
And I do think Texas A and him is that
mysterious third team. Um. But you know, and while he's
driving the coaching market, I think he's his his impact
might be inflated a little bit. His record that that

(01:40:35):
origin was stilling. I get that, but he got there
at a time when he was new, He was innovative,
he was creative. Now everybody basically does the same thing, right. UM,
Now you know he he can still have success and
probably will have success wherever he goes, But he's not
like the be all end all if some of these
teams don't get him, because you know, you can find
guys who are better recruiters, who aren't going to pay

(01:40:56):
for recruiting services like he did with the Willi Lahole
situation or why Oregon did with really allow situation uh,
and still run a similar system. So, UM, it'll be
honesting to see what happens and see how how the
reaction is with the teams that don't get him, because
I think it might be sheer panic and it really
shouldn't be. Yeah, I'm glad that you finally said that
because I've I've felt like Chip Kelly is overrated at

(01:41:18):
this point because so many people have decided to take
up what he's done, and they've been in the game
now over the last few years. So what he's doing
is not nearly as novel and as you said, not
a great recruiter on the way out quickly. John Gruden
to Tennessee. Clue would fire me if I didn't ask
you this question. I have said it from the very beginning.
John Gruden is not going to Tennessee. What are your

(01:41:40):
Are you with me on that? Do you think this
even has a possibility of happening. It seems like it's
kind of backed off a little bit over the last
like five days or so. John Gruden is not going
to Tennessee. John Gruden had never planned on going to Tennessee.
John Gruden has no plans to go to Tennessee. John
Gruden has every intention to get the best deal for
John Gruden, and that means stringing Tennessee as long along
as long as possible. Uh That time is probably coming

(01:42:02):
to an end because Tennessee has to make a decision
quickly after Saturday. UH So I think it's coming to
an end as well. And good for John Gruden for
stringing them along, trying to get everything out of it
that he possibly could. I think he's gonna either be
an NFL head coach or a television analyst. And you know,
Clay and I are friends, and Clay and I disagree
on the Monday night Football thing and ESPN losing that contract,

(01:42:23):
perhaps that is a non factor in John Gruden's decision,
because it's not like Monday Night Football is going to
go away to Monday Night Football is still going to
be there. Whether it's on ESPN or not, it doesn't matter.
And every single team that carries NFL games has a
cable channel in which John Gruden can basically replicate his
current deal if he wants that. And I don't know
if he wants that or not, but it's certainly a
better gig than trying to impress seventeen year old five

(01:42:46):
star deep is on the recruitings rail. I agree with you.
That's Barrett Siley. Barrett Happy Thanksgiving, Thanks for joining us
just this morning. Get back to your brining Turkey and
have a good time, all right, guys, thanks appreciate it's Barret.
That's a smart man right there. Clay has no idea
what he's talking about. John Gruden, that was never ever,
ever going to happen. What is gonna happen though, as
we gotta bring in Eddie Garcia because he's gonna tell

(01:43:08):
us what's happening in the world of sports. What's up Eddie?
All right? Boys? Well? In college football, the top four
in the latest playoff rankings remains the same as last week,
with a little bit of a tweak Alabama still one,
Miami and Clemson foot flop. Miami goes from three to two,
Clemson from two to three. In Oklahoma is still at
number four undefeated, Wisconsin is still the first team out
at five. Auburn is at number six. The Houston Chronicles
reporting the Texas A and m is gonna firehead coach

(01:43:30):
Kevin Suone after the Aggies game against l s U
this Saturday. In the NFL, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones says
he's not going to sue the league over Commissioner Roger
Goodell's pending contract extension, as he had threatened. However, in
the future, Jones reportedly wants all the owners, not just
the six members of the compensation committee, to be allowed
to review the commissioner's contract before it's approved. The Oakla
Raters fired their defensive coordinator Ken Norton Junior That never

(01:43:52):
Broadgres announced that Paxton Lynch is gonna start a quarterback
on Sunday in the NBA just one game. Lakers rally
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(01:44:15):
one pick and next year's NBA draft after being a
one and done player, will undergo back surgery and is
likely done for the season. Yeah, that is really bad
news because we all wanted to see him play in
college basketball is sort of struggled when it comes to
the stars. Thanks Eddy, appreciate that we're coming to you
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to Geico dot com or call eight seven Auto. The
only hard part figuring out which way is easier. Our
thanks to Barrett Sale who said exactly what Jeff and
I both believe. That's Jeff Sports. He's with me, I'm
Jason Martin, and for Clay Travis, we've never believed John
Gruden was going to Tennessee. Alex Marvez yesterday with us
here on this program said that Tampa could potentially be

(01:44:57):
a landing spot for John Gruden, meaning going back to
the Buccaneers, and that that's been talked about more and
more with things that have happened, but that would depend
on how good the quarterback situation was for him, because
you can't see him stepping into a coaching spot in
the NFL without a quarterback unless he's got like a
top pick and there's a can't miss guy in the
draft where it fits. So I don't know what's gonna happen.
And I still think he's not coaching next year at all.

(01:45:19):
But I've never bought the Tennessee rumors, Jeff, and I
know you haven't either. No, I haven't either. And if
you look even to the NFL, maybe Indianapolis with Andrew
LUs I think Pegana will be gone there. That could
be a spot where Grewden can go. But you know,
I feel like every year that grew didn't spends in
the in the booth and not on the on the field,
his legend grows into being this coach that was a

(01:45:41):
five time Super Bowl winner, had the best offensive all time,
and this legend continues to grow. And look, I don't
think that he's putting these rumors out there every single
year or his agent is doing this, I should say
to to get his you know, his status to go
up every year. But look, he hasn't coached in ten years,
and you expect him to come into the NFL or
college troopball and be successful right away, especially in college

(01:46:02):
where he's never really done it since he was a
very young, very young coach. Um, I think it's unrealistic.
I know he's a big name, and maybe he if
he went to Tennessee he'd get a couple of more
recruits in there. But I don't, you know, think about
this too. A lot of the recruits now were very
young when he was a popular head coach. Yeah, they
might know him from from from Monday Night Football, but
I don't think the allure will be there for the

(01:46:23):
kids as much it will be for the boosters who
would love of John Gruden showed up now to the
NFL again. It's been ten years. I know he studies film.
He obviously talks to coaches all the time. He's got
his office in Tampa. Coaches come down there, right. He's
very update on concepts, he's very update on personnel. But
I just don't see how you're leaving a job where
you get to make your own hours during the week.

(01:46:44):
He gets to go to his his office at four
o'clock in the morning, watch as much film as he
wants on his own time, on his own dime, doesn't
have to be stressed out every week, and then he
gets to call game on Monday Night football. I don't
see him leaving that unless you give him like a
crazy amount of money he doesn't even need. So if
I regruded, I would not leave even if ESPN does
not renew the minor football contract, which is still a

(01:47:06):
couple of years away like Bears, and he can do
a lot of other things and make a lot of
money without having to be a head coach. Yeah, and
I don't buy the argument that he's gonna leave just
because he's mad that he's not with Mike Tariko is
good friend anymore, because I haven't heard that Sean McDonogh
is a jerk, Like I don't I don't know. I
don't know that you would leave that gig in Monday
Night Football. Whereas Barrett said, if it leaves ESPN, John

(01:47:29):
Gruden can follow Monday Night Football wherever it goes. It's
not like somebody else wouldn't want to bring him on board.
I think he has a great deal of fun with
that quarterback camp. It allows him to really show his
ego and make himself popular there as well. We all
truly enjoy that. And what you said about the offense
was my argument from the beginning. Clay called him an
offensive savant. Originally I was like, you mean the offensive
savant that from two thousand two to two thousand six

(01:47:50):
in Tampa yards he was. His team was ranked nine
in four of those five years, and points per game
no higher than eighteen to three years and thirty one.
And this is a guy that's supposed to be able
to bring quarterbacks along and really was not able to
do that outside of a really good three year stretch
in Oakland, which I know Danny g still remembers well

(01:48:11):
when they were fifth, sixth, and seventh in yards and eighth,
third and fourth in points per game. But I agree
with you, it's almost like he's the new Bill Kauer.
But he has this celebrity factor and every year it's like, Oh,
they're gonna look at Bill Cower. Bill Cower hasn't come
out of the booth. John Gruten hasn't been on a
sideline since two thousand and eight. What makes you think
that now he would come in and be some kind

(01:48:33):
of savior, some kind of messiah for a college football
team when the last time he was on a college
sideline was at a graduate assistant level with Tennessee. I'm
glad you mentioned Bill Coward because he lives in the
North Carolina and a lot of Panthers fans always say
Bill Cowar is the next head coach. He hasn't coached
in forever. Why would you want a guy who hasn't
coached forever to become your head coach, especially one who's

(01:48:54):
a defensive minded head coach. When if you look, a
lot of these offensive young head coaches are doing a
great job because they need the quarterback to be successful.
If you look right now at some of these new
defensive head coaches like Advanced Joseph, like Anthony Lynn, they're
not doing as well as a Sean McVeigh with Jared goth. Now,
the talent on on each team might be different, but
that's why you see these offensive head coaches get these

(01:49:16):
jobs with young quarterbacks because that's the best way to
groom your quarterback. So, um, you know, to have Bill
Coward coming there after so many years, Um you know.
And that brings up one more point I think in
the NFL is that um and this happens in and
I think other sports as well, as they just keep
read treading the same coaches, Like it's at some point
you have to go to a young coach like a
Sean McVeigh. You can take a chance to do something

(01:49:39):
different and not just keep retrading these same coaches, right,
I mean in college in college football, Jim Moore will
probably get another job. I mean, you know, the coaches
that have not been successful really will keep just getting
more jobs and more jobs and more jobs, maybe because
they're trusted to know the process, you know how to
recruit not get your program in trouble. But at some
point you have to take a chance on a young
head coach because the future of the game. And you

(01:50:01):
might find a Sean McVeigh, now there's always gonna be
you know, you might find a Lane Kiffin as well
right in Oakland. But more often than not, I think
these young coaches have a lot to prove and they
can make your team better. They certainly have in Los
Angeles for sure, with what we've seen with Sean McVeigh.
If you missed the end of our one, we played
Mike Leach's wedding advice for you. We'll give you the
context of that coming up and we'll let you hear

(01:50:23):
the entire thing again. It was real crowd pleaser early
in the show. You're absolutely gonna love it. Happy Thanksgiving
Eve to you. Thanks for spending part of your morning
with us. We'll be right back. This is j Martin.
Jeff It's I'll kick the coverage. I'm Fox Sports Radio.
We might have to stick with West Coast tip Hop
for the rest of the week. Quite frankly, we're all
enjoying it too much. This is Kicked the coverage radio program.
Jeff Schwartz is with me. I'm Jason Art and the

(01:50:44):
executive producer of this fine program. Follow him at Jeff
Schwartz g e O f F. The Schwartz does have
a t in it as well. I'm at j Mart
out kicked Danny g Justin Cooper making things happen for us.
I know you hate it when I say you always
say that, and I would say the Schwartz is spelled
more commonly like my name, that is, any other way
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(01:51:25):
more confident car buying experience. Mike Leach is always good
for a great sound bite. Had an awesome rant about
the college football playoff Committee. Whether or not you agree
with what he had to say or not, how he
said it was certainly entertaining, but that pales in comparison
to this. We played it in the first hour, you
loved it. We loved it. We're playing it again. A
reporter is getting married in nine days, and so he

(01:51:46):
asks Mike Leach for wedding advice, and we're just gonna
let you play this. It's gonna make your day. Enjoy
Mike Leach's wedding advice to this reporter and then lose
their mind. Your fiance is gonna lose her mind, and
your mother in law is gonna lose her mind. Your
mom is gonna lose her mind, several of your sisters

(01:52:08):
and female relatives are gonna lose their mind, and um
and that they're gonna they're gonna broase you with constant
questions what should we wear? And then uh, which, of
course my answer was, I don't care. And then what
color should the invitations be? I don't care? Uh, what

(01:52:29):
should we have for dessert? I don't care. Should we
see this this way or that that that way? I
don't care. But see, I don't care. It's not satisfactory
at all. And you're gonna get caught in catch twenty
two and I'm certain that you already have and that
catch twenty two is well, I want you to be
a part of this too. Uh So what color invitations? Um?

(01:52:51):
All right, the blue ones? Well I kind of like, uh,
I kind of like the tan ones. Okay, the tan ones. Then, oh,
you're just saying that because uh you want this over.
Well you're not even thinking about it, which is of
course true. What do you want for dessert? I was
thinking of strawberry shortcake. Oh okay, yes, strawberry shortcake would
be good. Well what about the blueberry pie? Well, I

(01:53:13):
like the blueberry pie. We could have the blueberry pie. Well,
I thought you said you wanted the strawberry shortcake. And
it's just gonna go back and forth and they're gonna
play keep away from you until after you're married. There's
no answer you can give that it's going to be
satisfactory or correct, and if you successfully please a few
of them, the others will still be Well. I just

(01:53:34):
don't feel like he's that interesting. Okay, So so you
need to work late. Uh, go in the back room
and read a lot of books. Take the grooms froment
out so you make sure that they march in just right. So, yeah,
Mike Leach dropping knowledge right there. Jeff, you said the
first hour, Truer words have never been spoken. I am

(01:53:55):
not married. I hope that that changes in the near future.
Holler at me at j mart I'll kick by the way,
single ladies. But when you listen to all that first
off was the strawberry short kicker at your wedding, and
past that was anything that he said, they're incorrect. Uh.
First of all, for the cake choices, I don't remember
quite honestly. I didn't have time to eat the cake,
so I never end up eating it. Um. But for

(01:54:18):
as far as his advice, it's exactly true. Like the
obviously the day is about the bride, and you have
to pretend like you care about all these all these things.
I remember after my wedding my wife said, um, you know, basically,
thank you for everything you did for the wedding, and
you know, I know that you were a big part
of it. I said, no, no, we did everything you
wanted to do. I just made it seem like it
was something that you want. You know that I was

(01:54:40):
that I was excited about doing. You know, the flowers,
we were what you wanted we you know, I mean,
why do I care about flowers? Everything we did was
was what you wanted to do. And that's the way
you have to make it seem like the food, the flowers.
Of photography, what when we do the pictures, how we
do the pictures? Um, you know, how the party goes,
what music that we played. I agreed with a lot
of the things she wanted to do. You know how

(01:55:00):
the rehearsal dinner is. All those things. We did what
she wanted to do. And the way the reason I
got props for a lot of stuff is where the
wedding was in Los Angeles and I was living in
Kansas City at the time playing for the Chiefs, and
I um, I flew to l A. I think in
the offseason, so I was actually back in Charlotte. My
wife had to work. I flew to l A. I
picked out and air quotes, picked out the flowers and

(01:55:23):
all the stuff that she'd already picked out. Anyways, I
just went there and like said okay to a lot
of these things. So I got props for doing a
lot of the stuff that she needed to do, but
she had already picked out. Anyways, it's been a fun
show today thanks to Barrett Sley, thanks to John Campbell
of odd Shark as well helping you make some money
on this holiday week. We will be back tomorrow on
Thanksgiving Live. We will talk about the three big games

(01:55:45):
happening in the NFL tomorrow. Also, Jeff is doing something
tonight with his family that it's just nuts to me
that it's happening. We're not gonna tell you what it is.
That's a tease for you, but we will discuss that
in detail tomorrow. Also, your favorite Thanksgiving dishes, all of
those kinds of things that you expect to hear on
sports talk radio on Thanksgiving. It's gonna be a lot
of a lot of fun. Make sure you follow Jeff again.

(01:56:06):
The schwartz has a t in it. I'll continue to
say that I'm at j mar Dotic. We'll see you tomorrow.
Enjoy it, We'll see you on holiday.

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