November 28, 2023 • 39 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Bears pick-off Josh Dobbs 4 times, ending his impressive streak with the Vikings. Panthers’ owner David Tepper fires HC Frank Reich only 12 games into the season. Plus, AI enters the world of sports journalism on “ICYMI.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
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was brutal. We're going to try and make light of
the whole situation because those were a couple of not
very good football teams that were displayed on national television. Plus,
we're going to talk about a not very good football
team at the Carolina Panthers who made a not very
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nice decision in firing Frank Riich. Why did it happen?
And it's the problem still there in Carolina. We're going
to talk about Pip, Yes, Pip, what does it mean?
We will explain. We're going to take a look at
the mess that is the New England Patriots. We're gonna
have some other fun stuff and conversations like how much
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Speaker 3 (02:06):
They're on it now. Viking Vikings are on it. They're
on that man.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
The NFC Central's back boys, the Bears and the Vikings
put on a classic last night that was rough to watch.
Joe Buck and Troy Aikman were so relieved that that
game was ending when it did, like, they were so.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Happy, A bit of a snoozer, man, And I mean literally,
I've been working all morning to watch it again by highlights,
which weren't very bitty.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
I watched the whole thing and I sent out some
texts to Jonas while it was happening, because he did this.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
He did this, LeVar, What did I do? Because here's
what Jonahs does.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
Jonas, who's a lifelong Bears fan, had this negative attitude
and wanted to make it see like the Bears had
no shot and all this stuff. And I kept thinking, man,
that line looks funky, and the Bear since they got Montes,
what defensively had been a little better. And obviously with
fields dual threat ability, ability to run the football, it
(03:15):
kind of limits what you could do sometimes defensively, if
you're Brian.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Flores, sure, enough.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Sure enough, Josh Dobbs ends up having a four picks
and the ball was being battered around like a vault.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I mean, it could have been like six or seven picks.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
It looked like volleyball.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
It looked like the ball went in the air and
everyone just kind of setting it, bumping it, spiking it.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
It was.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
It was tough to watch, but you felt like at
some point Dobbs and the Vikings were going to have
one of those games, and unfortunately it was.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
It was last night.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Are you saying the bloom is off the roads, so
to speak, when it comes to Josh Dobbs.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
If you want to put it that way, you can,
you can say it. But there's been a lot of
things that have gone his way where he's got had
some luck and things have worked out for him. This
was an instance where like nothing seemed to go their way,
and then that being said, they still had a shot
to win the candidate, which was miraculous. But I sat
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there with my wife. I look next to her, I
go watch this. I go Field is gonna drive them down.
He's gonna scramble a little bit, but he's probably gonna
find Dj Moore for a couple of big plays, and
I just kept telling her in breaking routes, in breaking round,
I go, at some point they're gonna start throwing some
in breaking routes and then they're gonna set up for
a field go to win. And so watching I sat there. Guy,
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I didn't even know why I watched. I probably wasted
twenty minutes of sleep that I could have been in bed,
but instead of watching it happen, I was like, yep, yep,
that's just that's how this game was gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Uh, I was watching saw my baby get get him, uh,
get him a nice little by the.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Way the bear secondary like there's some there's.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Some guy Johnson on that bait move that Yeah they're
pretty good, pretty good.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
But I mean Joe Johnson's gonna be a free age though.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
But that was one hell of a bait move on
what looked like him jumping the end route and then
dropping back into two coverage is what it looked like.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah, I mean I saw, I saw parts of the game.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Really tried to put my my analytics, uh you know,
expert had on to watch the game and get into it.
And before I knew it, I think I was like
one of those Navy seals who were having to hold
their breath underwater and you pass out and you you
start to sink into the byss and you don't even
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realize that you're passing out. And I was fighting it,
I promise you guys, I was. I was watching and
I was fighting, and I was watching like I felt
like I was in the game because I had to
fight to stay awake to watch this game.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
And I'm just being honest.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Listen, that's that's the right approach.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I'm just being honest. Honest. Yeah, I'm just being honest,
like about what we saw. I really was doubt in.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I was watching Billions until it came on, and then
the game came came on, and which, by the way,
I was watching Billions for about maybe two and a
half three hours.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
How long is a football game? About three? About three? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Yeah, I probably made about an hour and a half.
I made an hour and a half solid. I mean,
it seemed like it was like I'm a defender, so
it seemed like the type of game I should like.
But I didn't like it. Like it didn't. It just
seemed boring. It was very boring to me. Am I
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wrong for that?
Speaker 5 (06:52):
No?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I think that's probably the thought that a lot of
people had watching that game last night.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I started like entertaining myself, like creating different storylines, like
does does the quarterbacks in this game? Does Dobbs? And
and uh?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Justin fields and fields?
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Do they look like runts from like you know, a
cartoon or like a cartoon character from like Disney or
something like that. Like, I started like doing different things
to like entertain myself.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Oh, so you would have been more entertained if it
was the Nickelodeon broadc Yes, yes, yeah like people, yes,
like the Nickelodeon, like make them.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Look like real life like toy story type stuff.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah, I would have been more entertained on a double
dare set now like a chocolate slide pulling a fly.
I would have never thought it would have never thought
that that would end up where I'd be at watching
an NFL football game with so many turnovers. Again, I'm
a defender, so I'd love to see the defensive guys
get their due.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
But man, it was weird. Yeah, it's just very weird.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, it was a not a great football game, and look,
neither team is all that great. But as we stand
right now, the Minnesota Vikings still have the seventh seed
in the NFC playoffs.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
And this is what you wanted last night was exactly
what you want.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Why would you want that?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Okay, look, we nobody has celebrated the Josh Dobbs run
this year like this show has. We have been pounding
the table for Josh Dobbs comeback Player of the Year.
That seemed to take a bit of a hit last night,
but his coach did talk afterwards. Kevin O'Connell talked about
the performance of Josh Dobbs and what to expect moving
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forward and did point out and this was a lot
of box Score readers aren't going to point out, you know,
some of those picks not not totally his fault around.
Speaker 7 (08:45):
Josh is you know, as much as he's done some
really good things for us, he's still getting comfortable in
our past game play pass game, knowing where your quick
eligibles are to put the ball in play, drop back pass,
taking the right footwork, feet and eyes, all those things
we're working through that. I think three of the interceptions
were off of tipballs. The rhythm and timing of our
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offense just not feeling as crisp as uh as we
want to and we just got to continue to try
to find a way to make the quarterback as comfortable
as possible. Defense would love to get a stop there
on that last one, but we just put them in
far too many difficult situations that they did respond to
and offensively, we've got to be better now.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I would like to say that without Justin Jefferson, maybe
it's hard to get a better evaluation of Josh Dobbs
like you get Justin Jefferson back then we can have
the discussion.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
But what didn't Q give us a stat yesterday and
I said that they were doing very well without them there?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
I think there were five and one Yeah, without Justin Jefferson,
what and four with him?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
So you can't go back on what that that? You know?
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Kind of crazy?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, for the sake of the take what you know?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
What?
Speaker 4 (09:57):
You know what down with you there, you know what,
go ahead and do what you want to do. You
are exactly right.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
You know, retroactively, this is how this should you know,
thought on this game should have been. I have a
I would like to make a request to the NFL, though,
and you guys have have more pull than I do, obviously, can.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
You please stop putting these types of games as your
primetime games in November. This is what I would like
to say, please, all right, please, I mean I kind
of liked it.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
I kind of.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
So this is what I Hey, no, all right, this
is my request to the NFL. And we're not asking
for a whole lot after you made us sit through
that game last night. And by the way, some of
the games this weekend were a bag of crap.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yeah, but some of them. Some of them were dope. Though.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
There were some dope games. This this I mean that
that that Philly game was a dope game. Man.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Did you see the Black Friday game?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I did? I did.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
I was embarrassed that it was Black Friday for that game,
you know, shouts out to mind.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Now.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I was all in on it though, Sam, you know
what I mean, Like it wasn't racist. I was like
all in on Black Friday having football and we was
going to get black football players playing football amongst other
races of people of color.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
By the way, I don't leave Tim Boyle out.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Don't leave him out. Please. This is this is.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
My request of the NFL, after what they put us
through this weekend. I would like for us to eliminate
the three three of the teams making the NFC playoffs.
I would like to just fast track this and if
we could just get it down to the divisional round,
and this may work itself out anyways, but if we
could just get Philly, San fran Detroit and Dallas, we'll
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completely eliminate the NFC South winner. And let's just trim
the fat and get straight to the best teams in
the NFC.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
How about this?
Speaker 4 (11:59):
How about we go like opens, like you know, you
have like the the determined divisions. How about you go
open division meaning like once you get to a certain
point in the year, if you're like a bubble team
and you're not like in in that realm of being
like a first seed or a second second one in,
(12:23):
you go into an open meaning the best of the rest.
I don't give a damn if you're NFC or AFC,
you guys will meet in the first round of the playoff.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
That would be dope. That would be super dope.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
I'd rather see them do something that the NBA does,
which I usually advise against. That the little play in no,
not even a play it. I don't know why I
said the NBA does, because they don't, but they should
do a rerack, like go based on once we get
to the end of the season, do a rerack and
(13:02):
just do away with the conferences and have the best
team's the best record square off.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I think that would be dope.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
Oh God, because you like, right now, if I was
to tell you the Texans the Bills, I'll throw the
Broncos too. I feel like they could actually do more
in the playoffs than probably the Vikings.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Right now, maybe even Seattle, definitely Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Yeah, is that fair to Broncos are looking like a
Sean Payton lead team and a Russell Wilson quarterbacked team.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
The NFCS, the NFC South winner, and the two wild
card teams not named Dallas. You you can go cut
a fart in the other room, like we don't want
to see today. It was kind of funny.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Seattle's the other team, though, I think I don't know
one of you two is Highland Seattle Settle.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I may have. I may have picked them to win
the me Yeah, I may have picked set That is
that was reckless. It was after after Thanksgiving night, it
was over.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I mean, there's only one team in the West, but
that still was reckless. I thought it was a two
horse race, but it was really only one I should
have done.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
I'm telling you right now, the Rams are at five
and six, they're gonna be a playoff team.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Hey, their schedule is manageable down.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
So I mean, it's much easier compared to some others.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Like I'm telling you right now, at five and six,
they are going to make a run.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
They're going to find their way in.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
And by the way, prepare yourself.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Sean McVay just had a baby. Nobody wants to make
the playoffs more than Sean McVay. Hey, got to work
again this week. I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Dead beat like that. Don't say that.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I think babies are dope, dude, it's the best.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
But Jonas, that's such a bad joke.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, I've been pretty baby. I bet you that baby
gonna win all kinds of beauty prizes.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I tell you that. Shouts out to the McVeigh fan.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
If you look at the RAM schedule, damn, it's the
RAM schedules really manageable, and they could end up sneaking
into the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
It's a real pa.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Speaking of sneaker, you will hear a funny story. I
was as I was watching the football game trying to
maintain my focus. I hear Trish scream, and I mean
it was profane language that was being screamed, and I
needed to figure out what was going on because.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
You did it startle you or you just kind of like,
oh no, here we go.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Well, she's from New Jersey, so it doesn't startle me
when when she hollers. It's just more or less like
their way of life, you.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Know, So what does that mean?
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Oh, they're their foul potty mouth, like just very aggressive.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Hell so what is a second? My wife's from Boston,
same thing. I would describe her the same exact way,
where I'm like, man, she's got a worse.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Mouth that I have.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
It's pretty bad. It's crazy, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
So I hear the door chimes going off, and you know,
you can know what's going on around the crib by
what doorchime goes off, like what it says, And it
said the main garage Da da dad, this that and
the other. I'm like, oh s and I know that's
that's Santa's workshop. Oh no, So come to find out
my eight year old daughter, she's she's finally discovering that
(16:29):
Santa visits the house before Christmas.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Oh no, damn.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
So so Trish takes the older one to cheer practice
and comes home and goes into Santa's workshop because she
is indeed Santa's helper, special helper, and she realized that
all of the babies, you know, the eight year old stuff,
(16:55):
had been moved around. So the eight year old took
the liberty of being while man, my my younger son,
the twin son is cleaning his room for him and
a dog, because they live in the same room. That's
that's the proper place and living quarters for them. He's
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cleaning his room. I'm trying to watch the game, and
she needed stimulation for her mind, and she wandered into
Sanna's workshop and saw the amount of gifts that she
was getting thus far. Now, I don't know how it
all played out, because all I did was and I
(17:39):
will say to my I guess I don't know my
defense on not seeing the entire game that I forced
myself to close my eyes, forced myself to close my
eyes because I didn't want to be a part of it.
And then I get in troubled, like I get in
trouble when the kids get in trouble. I had to
(18:00):
deal with like being woke woken up at least like
fake woken up, like I really closed my eyes like
I was sleep but I really wasn't.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
And she came in.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
She's like, you're not, You're not going you don't have
anything to say about this. You're not You're not going
to get up in and and parent this situation. I said, well,
you've already told her what it is and what's going
to happen, and why she shouldn't and why she did
and this that you you covered off everything. I could
hear it as I was falling asleep, I said, I
have to go into work. If you would like to
(18:29):
get up and go into work for me, I can
get up and go talk to her and do that thing,
and you can get the rest that I need so
that I can get up and be coherent for work
in the morning. Was that a good move?
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
So that that was how I escaped last night.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
And she seemed to be okay when I left for
work this morning, Like, you know, she said she loved me,
which means that I did get through that.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Bit of a tough patch.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
But sometimes you got an alligator arment, you know.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Man, I didn't know how to handle it, Like should
I get up and go running?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Like as as the father? What do I do? Like?
What do I say? Good?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Take it day?
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I say my job?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Look at that?
Speaker 5 (19:09):
There you go?
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Like, I know I don't work out at this hour,
but you know, but you're wearing flip flops. Yeah, I
don't worry about.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
It, but like I needed to get up out of
here and do some pathics.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
And I was more intriguing and entertaining than the game
I watched last night, by the way.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
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Speaker 3 (21:32):
About Santa Claus.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I mean, that's your that's like, that's really what you
believe about.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Okay, thank you, thank you coach. Oh my god, man,
I'm like Santa Claus.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Oh man, I wish we could have a show honestly
that was called like two Pros and a Cup of
Joe uncut. If we could do that and not get
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hands down the greatest show ever.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Well, yeah, because we could have played the full shame
Gillis clip last week we did the show is over goodbye?
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Oh it would it'd be over then? Yeah, I used
profanity on air yesterday. What Jonas said yes just now
was was it was pretty outrageous. I liked it, though, Like,
I really enjoyed it. That's the sad part about it
is as outrageous as what you just said was. I
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really enjoyed it, like and got a mental image of
the situation. So there you go. All right, well, speaking
of horrible situations and getting canceled or getting fired.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, boy, this is Look, I don't know if I
should be surprised, but I'm kind of surprised that it
actually happened in season. And we've been speculating, all right,
what's going on in Carolina? Like, what's actually happening, right, Carolyn.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
I've been telling us about his close friend and business
mentor and Tepper. You know, he's been telling us the
whole entire time that he saw the handwriting on the wall.
By the way, Tepper was crunching the numbers and all
that stuff on you know, the the prognostications of where
where Reich went ended up as a coach.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
And it went down shortly after we went off the
area yesterday. Frank Reich gone. He has fired as head
coach of.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
The Comedy Games. There's what are we eleven games?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Now?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
How many years? How many games?
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Eleven twelve games, something like that. But he becomes the
first coach since the merger in nineteen seventy to be
fired in back to back seasons. Frank Frank, Now, he
did speak, you know, with the local reporter and just
kind of said, hey, you know, I'm not done coaching,
but as far as his NFL you know you a coach, Yeah,
(23:54):
it's just not going to happen anymore. So disappointing for
Frank Reich. He was brought in there, and just the
way NFL Network made it play out yesterday though, was
that he was sort of a fallback plan because they
had interest in Ben Johnson, the offensive coordinator from Detroit,
and he decided to stay put. And so now Carolina
finds themselves in a familiar spot to where they're looking
(24:16):
for a head coach, which seems like what they've been
doing for the past several years. So bad spot for
Frank Raig, bad spot for Bryce Young in company. But
welcome to the Carolina Panthers under David Temper.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
I mean, well, I disagree with the past several years.
I mean, obviously, you know, they just fired Matt Ruhle
last year. And I think the tough thing is is
this is not the second head coach that I mean,
you talk about like wanting to rebuild, you talk about
wanting to give them patients.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
You haven't given him any of that.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
And I think when you are a owner who David
Temper has some experience as a minority owner. He bought
a small steak in the Pittsburgh Steelers back in two
thousand and eight. I believe so he obviously saw how
quite possible one of the best.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Organizations, if not the best, has operated.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
And I don't know if the firing of Matt Canada
something that the Steelers hadn't done it in season, firing
like that since nineteen forty one. I'm not sure if
that played a role in his decision to fire Frank Reich.
I'm not sure if his it's his history or background
being in finance, where you can take companies, you can
(25:30):
look at their balance sheets, and you can then evaluate
what assets, what potential opportunity and profitability could be there
if you implement a few different strategies to turn around
the organization. I'm not sure if he feels like it's
that simple, and he feels like that he's got this
(25:52):
intuition or knowledge that the rest of NFL owners don't
and he just hasn't found the right guy to be
the head coach yet to turn things around, turn those
numbers around the world of football.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
But it feels like he's applying what he's done.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
In the past to have success in the NFL, and
that's just not a recipe for success. Like this is
a people person business. This takes time. There's no exact formula,
there's no exact science for this. This is how it works,
Like it takes time to transition over a roster. We
rebuild a roster. So maybe there's an element of him
(26:30):
trying to, you know, say, I know this isn't right,
or we missed whoever it was, whether it was Scott
Fideral general manager, that's still there, which is a bit
surprising if this has to do with Bryce Young or
the lack of development Bryce Young, even though they've they've
said that, hey, we feel like we're making these changes
to help Bryce Young succeed. It's like, okay, well, Frank
(26:51):
Reik's a damn good coach. He was a good player.
Josh McCown played for a long time. He's gone too.
Dude Staley, great player, you know, he's gone too. Like
all those guys came in with the reputation of being
you know, good players, great locker room guys, good for
the development of Bryce Young and any other younger player
on that roster, and now they're all gone before you
(27:14):
even let the seas the first season getting through it.
It just it feels like this is an example of
an owner interjecting himself, and now I think, moving forward,
he's got to look squarely in the mirror because he's
the one that's that's accountable for what this has become.
And it feels like a mess, And it feels like
a job that someone's gonna take it because he's got money,
(27:36):
and they've got money to be able to pay someone.
But you're now going to be paying for two coaches
for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
And I just don't know how you can.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
Walk in and take that job and think, yeah, like
I'm I'm gonna have any time to make this team
what I think it's capable of making, and the roster
is far from where it needs to be.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Growing up in Pittsburgh again, I always tell the story
that I heard when I went pro. You heard the
legends of the Rooney family and how they did things.
And I was at some some event and we were
talking about the most successful owners and successful franchises, and
(28:19):
the story that ensued was they they came in that
You know, everybody gets there at a certain certain time.
You get there your early, da da da. But depending
on whose earliest that's that it almost like becomes a competition,
who's their earliest to get there early bird gets the worm. Well,
one of the guys came in. They were running a
(28:40):
little late boom. They park at the back of the
parking lot, get out of the car, walking in and
he sees the main Rooney Like at the time, I
want to say it was the one after which one
was the one that was made the.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Ambassador in Ireland or something like that.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
Was that dad that was Johnson.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Not Woody, it was it was It was a it
was a Ruiney, one of the Roonies, but it was
the one after Art.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Dan is a dad.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
He was like the older one, the gray hair, you know,
passed away like he was probably Dan Rooney.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Okay, yeah, it sounds about right.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Well, he's walking in from the back of the parking
lot with with the guy that's telling the story about
you know, getting in late, and he looked at it,
looked at him and said what are you What are
you parked back here for? Like, where are you walking
this far away? He said, well, I got in late.
He's the same reason why you're whining he said, if
I want to park closer, I'll get in earlier. And
(29:38):
that mentality when when you humanize yourself to people that
look at you as something other than a person, it
has an outstanding like like a just a profound impact
on how people view things and how they view the world.
(29:59):
You know, not to make any crazy comparisons, but I
played for an owner that what you're kind of what
you're talking about, Q. That was disconnected to understanding how
people driven football really is, football culture really is. And
this dude thought that making everything, which I'm sure it
can work, but this man had They had all calves
(30:23):
of reserve parking lots. First parking lot was reserved for him,
little Danny, second parking lot was reserved for his dad.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Hell yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
And then the third parking lot was reserved for the
other owner. And then there was like all kinds of
other reserved or spots. So by the time you get
through all of the reserved spots, you know you're trying
to find a spot that isn't very close. But what
made it interesting is a lot of the things that
you see owners that don't understand the humanistic aspect of
(30:54):
running a franchise create division amongst the people that work there.
It's like a natural thing that develops like that's one
of that's one of his guys, or I'm not one
of his guys, or why is this person getting that
type of preferential treatment this person over here? And I
mean it's stemmed far beyond just the locker room. It
(31:17):
stemmed into the media area. Its stemmed into the cells.
Like the sales people were at odds, the media people
were at odds, the scouting department were at every everybody's
at odds. Because everybody's fighting for something that's kind of
the same, but it's it's it's very different. You're not
fighting to win and go in the same direction. You're
(31:40):
fighting to have the owners, you know, his his okay
or his blessing, or to be one of one of
his guys. That's what you're fighting for. And I think
when when owners make it about themselves, it just becomes
a very very difficult proposition in the sport of of
football to actually have a level of success that you're
(32:04):
looking for. I always say it's hard enough to win
on Sundays in terms of just preparing for the game,
but when you talk about all of the other elements
that come into play and what you have to try
to navigate during the course of a week, during the
course of a season, during the course of an off season.
The less distractions, the less divisiveness, the more together that
(32:27):
you are, the more the closer that you guys are
and the buy in that's what really gets people through.
You get good coaching, but it's the buy in of
one another, not the fractured type of relationships or how
it works together. And so when you get an owner
that doesn't understand it that way and doesn't make you
(32:48):
feel like we're in this together, you're not taking ownership
over what you're doing. You're looking at it as I'm
doing my job. And that's kind of a sad commentary
if you ask me, and I think David Temper is
starting to discover it's a lot harder to be an
owner than you realized.
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Jonas Morning, Brady, guys, miss a crazy or shocking new evidence.
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Shut up up, hello everybody, as in case you missed this,
shocking new evidence appears to expose Sports Illustrated for using
fake writers and AI generated r articles and since deleting
it all after someone has questioned the contents.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I don't know if you guys have seen this story
or not.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
All right, do you want to hear the truth? Hey?
Speaker 9 (35:10):
Lee, Hey Brady, Yes, I do want to hear the truth.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Brady. This is actually more widespread.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Than just sa uh oh.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
I won't believe it at that, but there have been.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Companies that have been using I don't know how you
describe it, but artificial intelligence in a way to almost
I don't say aggregate, but they kind of take it
to create articles to like mass produce reactions and things
to different games and sports events, etc. And it obviously
cuts their cost of you using humans to do it.
(35:42):
And it's actually pretty incredible software. It's able to take
box scores and then reap through play by plays and
kind of construct something from that. It's kind of scary,
but kind of crazy and cool at the same time,
but it's a cost cutting measure when you don't obviously
have to provide for a salary and benefits and.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Everything else for employees. Someone actually write those artists.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
So can I ask a question, Yeah, why is this
so offensive? I mean, if you're getting what you're looking
at and it's clearly going to be way I mean,
I hate say this. I'm assuming it's going to be
way more accurate than what a person would do. Like,
why have a problem with it?
Speaker 6 (36:23):
Honestly, I can't answer that because I don't really know, right,
Like AI is being you know, utilized in so many
different industries that it's just kind of a way of life.
It's going to take over for a number of jobs. Now,
I think what would happen is you probably would get
maybe more editors, you know, and so instead of actual
(36:45):
people writing, they're probably looking over what the AI functionality
creates and then reading through the article and say a right,
I can add this, or you know, adjust this, or
this is a little off for this isn't exactly how
it worked, or maybe there needs more emphasis or focus
on this particular situation from like the human standpoint or
(37:05):
the human emotion part of it, But I'm with you, like,
I actually don't have a problem with it at all.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yeah, I understand it.
Speaker 9 (37:12):
Yeah, Well, it gets weird when you start having fake
writers with fake bios talking about, you know, their personal
lives and it's all turns out being a fake. A
group of ESSA writers who call themselves the SI Union
said they were horrified by the report and are demanding answers.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
That's one thing.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
If you've got like a website that's claiming these people exist.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
In the really, that's not that's where that's where.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
The albums, that's deceitful.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (37:35):
Yeah, and it brings into basic journalistic standards of practice.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Well, with that being said, i mean there are people
that get blow up dolls and all kinds of stuff
like that. I mean, i mean, hello, that's artificial intelligence,
isn't it.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
Basic journalistic integrity and tact that's that's been out the
window a long time ago.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
I'm just I'm just reading the uh, the article about
personal life and stuff like that. I mean, there's I'm
sure a lot of people that are real people that
are well artificially talking about what they got going on
in their personal wall.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
You would feel more comfortable if it was a blow
up rider instead of an AI rider.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Not right, Yeah, just like some people would. I mean,
I'm just saying, don't, don't point, don't don't throw rocks
out of a glass What is a glass house at
the at the ais?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
You know what I mean. That's all I'm saying. Yeah,
here man, he who cast the first rock? No, go ahead,
Go ahead, guys.
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Speaker 3 (38:50):
And lock them in, so they were a wait Walt style.
Speaker 9 (38:54):
Well, it was a small airport in Marion, Illinois, and
the security was done with their hours.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
So there, you know, And why were they stuck there
for twenty four hours?
Speaker 9 (39:03):
It's a long story. No charter bus flight went off
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Speaker 5 (39:08):
That was an awful submarine.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
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Speaker 3 (02:06):
They're on it now. Viking Vikings are on it. They're
on that man.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
The NFC Central's back boys, the Bears and the Vikings
put on a classic last night that was rough to watch.
Joe Buck and Troy Aikman were so relieved that that
game was ending when it did, like, they were so.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Happy, A bit of a snoozer, man, And I mean literally,
I've been working all morning to watch it again by highlights,
which weren't very bitty.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
I watched the whole thing and I sent out some
texts to Jonas while it was happening, because he did this.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
He did this, LeVar, What did I do? Because here's
what Jonahs does.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
Jonas, who's a lifelong Bears fan, had this negative attitude
and wanted to make it see like the Bears had
no shot and all this stuff. And I kept thinking, man,
that line looks funky, and the Bear since they got Montes,
what defensively had been a little better. And obviously with
fields dual threat ability, ability to run the football, it
(03:15):
kind of limits what you could do sometimes defensively, if
you're Brian.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Flores, sure, enough.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Sure enough, Josh Dobbs ends up having a four picks
and the ball was being battered around like a vault.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I mean, it could have been like six or seven picks.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
It looked like volleyball.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
It looked like the ball went in the air and
everyone just kind of setting it, bumping it, spiking it.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
It was.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
It was tough to watch, but you felt like at
some point Dobbs and the Vikings were going to have
one of those games, and unfortunately it was.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
It was last night.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Are you saying the bloom is off the roads, so
to speak, when it comes to Josh Dobbs.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
If you want to put it that way, you can,
you can say it. But there's been a lot of
things that have gone his way where he's got had
some luck and things have worked out for him. This
was an instance where like nothing seemed to go their way,
and then that being said, they still had a shot
to win the candidate, which was miraculous. But I sat
(04:14):
there with my wife. I look next to her, I
go watch this. I go Field is gonna drive them down.
He's gonna scramble a little bit, but he's probably gonna
find Dj Moore for a couple of big plays, and
I just kept telling her in breaking routes, in breaking round,
I go, at some point they're gonna start throwing some
in breaking routes and then they're gonna set up for
a field go to win. And so watching I sat there. Guy,
(04:34):
I didn't even know why I watched. I probably wasted
twenty minutes of sleep that I could have been in bed,
but instead of watching it happen, I was like, yep, yep,
that's just that's how this game was gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Uh, I was watching saw my baby get get him, uh,
get him a nice little by the.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Way the bear secondary like there's some there's.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Some guy Johnson on that bait move that Yeah they're
pretty good, pretty good.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
But I mean Joe Johnson's gonna be a free age though.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
But that was one hell of a bait move on
what looked like him jumping the end route and then
dropping back into two coverage is what it looked like.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah, I mean I saw, I saw parts of the game.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Really tried to put my my analytics, uh you know,
expert had on to watch the game and get into it.
And before I knew it, I think I was like
one of those Navy seals who were having to hold
their breath underwater and you pass out and you you
start to sink into the byss and you don't even
(05:46):
realize that you're passing out. And I was fighting it,
I promise you guys, I was. I was watching and
I was fighting, and I was watching like I felt
like I was in the game because I had to
fight to stay awake to watch this game.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
And I'm just being honest.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Listen, that's that's the right approach.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I'm just being honest. Honest. Yeah, I'm just being honest,
like about what we saw. I really was doubt in.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I was watching Billions until it came on, and then
the game came came on, and which, by the way,
I was watching Billions for about maybe two and a
half three hours.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
How long is a football game? About three? About three? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Yeah, I probably made about an hour and a half.
I made an hour and a half solid. I mean,
it seemed like it was like I'm a defender, so
it seemed like the type of game I should like.
But I didn't like it. Like it didn't. It just
seemed boring. It was very boring to me. Am I
(06:51):
wrong for that?
Speaker 5 (06:52):
No?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I think that's probably the thought that a lot of
people had watching that game last night.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I started like entertaining myself, like creating different storylines, like
does does the quarterbacks in this game? Does Dobbs? And
and uh?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Justin fields and fields?
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Do they look like runts from like you know, a
cartoon or like a cartoon character from like Disney or
something like that. Like, I started like doing different things
to like entertain myself.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Oh, so you would have been more entertained if it
was the Nickelodeon broadc Yes, yes, yeah like people, yes,
like the Nickelodeon, like make them.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Look like real life like toy story type stuff.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah, I would have been more entertained on a double
dare set now like a chocolate slide pulling a fly.
I would have never thought it would have never thought
that that would end up where I'd be at watching
an NFL football game with so many turnovers. Again, I'm
a defender, so I'd love to see the defensive guys
get their due.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
But man, it was weird. Yeah, it's just very weird.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, it was a not a great football game, and look,
neither team is all that great. But as we stand
right now, the Minnesota Vikings still have the seventh seed
in the NFC playoffs.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
And this is what you wanted last night was exactly
what you want.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Why would you want that?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Okay, look, we nobody has celebrated the Josh Dobbs run
this year like this show has. We have been pounding
the table for Josh Dobbs comeback Player of the Year.
That seemed to take a bit of a hit last night,
but his coach did talk afterwards. Kevin O'Connell talked about
the performance of Josh Dobbs and what to expect moving
(08:36):
forward and did point out and this was a lot
of box Score readers aren't going to point out, you know,
some of those picks not not totally his fault around.
Speaker 7 (08:45):
Josh is you know, as much as he's done some
really good things for us, he's still getting comfortable in
our past game play pass game, knowing where your quick
eligibles are to put the ball in play, drop back pass,
taking the right footwork, feet and eyes, all those things
we're working through that. I think three of the interceptions
were off of tipballs. The rhythm and timing of our
(09:07):
offense just not feeling as crisp as uh as we
want to and we just got to continue to try
to find a way to make the quarterback as comfortable
as possible. Defense would love to get a stop there
on that last one, but we just put them in
far too many difficult situations that they did respond to
and offensively, we've got to be better now.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I would like to say that without Justin Jefferson, maybe
it's hard to get a better evaluation of Josh Dobbs
like you get Justin Jefferson back then we can have
the discussion.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
But what didn't Q give us a stat yesterday and
I said that they were doing very well without them there?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
I think there were five and one Yeah, without Justin Jefferson,
what and four with him?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
So you can't go back on what that that? You know?
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Kind of crazy?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, for the sake of the take what you know?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
What?
Speaker 4 (09:57):
You know what down with you there, you know what,
go ahead and do what you want to do. You
are exactly right.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
You know, retroactively, this is how this should you know,
thought on this game should have been. I have a
I would like to make a request to the NFL, though,
and you guys have have more pull than I do, obviously, can.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
You please stop putting these types of games as your
primetime games in November. This is what I would like
to say, please, all right, please, I mean I kind
of liked it.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
I kind of.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
So this is what I Hey, no, all right, this
is my request to the NFL. And we're not asking
for a whole lot after you made us sit through
that game last night. And by the way, some of
the games this weekend were a bag of crap.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yeah, but some of them. Some of them were dope. Though.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
There were some dope games. This this I mean that
that that Philly game was a dope game. Man.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Did you see the Black Friday game?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I did? I did.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
I was embarrassed that it was Black Friday for that game,
you know, shouts out to mind.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Now.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I was all in on it though, Sam, you know
what I mean, Like it wasn't racist. I was like
all in on Black Friday having football and we was
going to get black football players playing football amongst other
races of people of color.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
By the way, I don't leave Tim Boyle out.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Don't leave him out. Please. This is this is.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
My request of the NFL, after what they put us
through this weekend. I would like for us to eliminate
the three three of the teams making the NFC playoffs.
I would like to just fast track this and if
we could just get it down to the divisional round,
and this may work itself out anyways, but if we
could just get Philly, San fran Detroit and Dallas, we'll
(11:52):
completely eliminate the NFC South winner. And let's just trim
the fat and get straight to the best teams in
the NFC.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
How about this?
Speaker 4 (11:59):
How about we go like opens, like you know, you
have like the the determined divisions. How about you go
open division meaning like once you get to a certain
point in the year, if you're like a bubble team
and you're not like in in that realm of being
like a first seed or a second second one in,
(12:23):
you go into an open meaning the best of the rest.
I don't give a damn if you're NFC or AFC,
you guys will meet in the first round of the playoff.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
That would be dope. That would be super dope.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
I'd rather see them do something that the NBA does,
which I usually advise against. That the little play in no,
not even a play it. I don't know why I
said the NBA does, because they don't, but they should
do a rerack, like go based on once we get
to the end of the season, do a rerack and
(13:02):
just do away with the conferences and have the best
team's the best record square off.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I think that would be dope.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
Oh God, because you like, right now, if I was
to tell you the Texans the Bills, I'll throw the
Broncos too. I feel like they could actually do more
in the playoffs than probably the Vikings.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Right now, maybe even Seattle, definitely Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Yeah, is that fair to Broncos are looking like a
Sean Payton lead team and a Russell Wilson quarterbacked team.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
The NFCS, the NFC South winner, and the two wild
card teams not named Dallas. You you can go cut
a fart in the other room, like we don't want
to see today. It was kind of funny.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Seattle's the other team, though, I think I don't know
one of you two is Highland Seattle Settle.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I may have. I may have picked them to win
the me Yeah, I may have picked set That is
that was reckless. It was after after Thanksgiving night, it
was over.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I mean, there's only one team in the West, but
that still was reckless. I thought it was a two
horse race, but it was really only one I should
have done.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
I'm telling you right now, the Rams are at five
and six, they're gonna be a playoff team.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Hey, their schedule is manageable down.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
So I mean, it's much easier compared to some others.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Like I'm telling you right now, at five and six,
they are going to make a run.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
They're going to find their way in.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
And by the way, prepare yourself.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Sean McVay just had a baby. Nobody wants to make
the playoffs more than Sean McVay. Hey, got to work
again this week. I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Dead beat like that. Don't say that.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I think babies are dope, dude, it's the best.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
But Jonas, that's such a bad joke.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, I've been pretty baby. I bet you that baby
gonna win all kinds of beauty prizes.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I tell you that. Shouts out to the McVeigh fan.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
If you look at the RAM schedule, damn, it's the
RAM schedules really manageable, and they could end up sneaking
into the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
It's a real pa.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Speaking of sneaker, you will hear a funny story. I
was as I was watching the football game trying to
maintain my focus. I hear Trish scream, and I mean
it was profane language that was being screamed, and I
needed to figure out what was going on because.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
You did it startle you or you just kind of like,
oh no, here we go.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Well, she's from New Jersey, so it doesn't startle me
when when she hollers. It's just more or less like
their way of life, you.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Know, So what does that mean?
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Oh, they're their foul potty mouth, like just very aggressive.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Hell so what is a second? My wife's from Boston,
same thing. I would describe her the same exact way,
where I'm like, man, she's got a worse.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Mouth that I have.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
It's pretty bad. It's crazy, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
So I hear the door chimes going off, and you know,
you can know what's going on around the crib by
what doorchime goes off, like what it says, And it
said the main garage Da da dad, this that and
the other. I'm like, oh s and I know that's
that's Santa's workshop. Oh no, So come to find out
my eight year old daughter, she's she's finally discovering that
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Santa visits the house before Christmas.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Oh no, damn.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
So so Trish takes the older one to cheer practice
and comes home and goes into Santa's workshop because she
is indeed Santa's helper, special helper, and she realized that
all of the babies, you know, the eight year old stuff,
(16:55):
had been moved around. So the eight year old took
the liberty of being while man, my my younger son,
the twin son is cleaning his room for him and
a dog, because they live in the same room. That's
that's the proper place and living quarters for them. He's
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cleaning his room. I'm trying to watch the game, and
she needed stimulation for her mind, and she wandered into
Sanna's workshop and saw the amount of gifts that she
was getting thus far. Now, I don't know how it
all played out, because all I did was and I
(17:39):
will say to my I guess I don't know my
defense on not seeing the entire game that I forced
myself to close my eyes, forced myself to close my
eyes because I didn't want to be a part of it.
And then I get in troubled, like I get in
trouble when the kids get in trouble. I had to
(18:00):
deal with like being woke woken up at least like
fake woken up, like I really closed my eyes like
I was sleep but I really wasn't.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
And she came in.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
She's like, you're not, You're not going you don't have
anything to say about this. You're not You're not going
to get up in and and parent this situation. I said, well,
you've already told her what it is and what's going
to happen, and why she shouldn't and why she did
and this that you you covered off everything. I could
hear it as I was falling asleep, I said, I
have to go into work. If you would like to
(18:29):
get up and go into work for me, I can
get up and go talk to her and do that thing,
and you can get the rest that I need so
that I can get up and be coherent for work
in the morning. Was that a good move?
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
So that that was how I escaped last night.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
And she seemed to be okay when I left for
work this morning, Like, you know, she said she loved me,
which means that I did get through that.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Bit of a tough patch.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
But sometimes you got an alligator arment, you know.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Man, I didn't know how to handle it, Like should
I get up and go running?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Like as as the father? What do I do? Like?
What do I say? Good?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Take it day?
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I say my job?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Look at that?
Speaker 5 (19:09):
There you go?
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Like, I know I don't work out at this hour,
but you know, but you're wearing flip flops. Yeah, I
don't worry about.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
It, but like I needed to get up out of
here and do some pathics.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
And I was more intriguing and entertaining than the game
I watched last night, by the way.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports are
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Speaker 3 (21:32):
About Santa Claus.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I mean, that's your that's like, that's really what you
believe about.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Okay, thank you, thank you coach. Oh my god, man,
I'm like Santa Claus.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Oh man, I wish we could have a show honestly
that was called like two Pros and a Cup of
Joe uncut. If we could do that and not get
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hands down the greatest show ever.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Well, yeah, because we could have played the full shame
Gillis clip last week we did the show is over goodbye?
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Oh it would it'd be over then? Yeah, I used
profanity on air yesterday. What Jonas said yes just now
was was it was pretty outrageous. I liked it, though, Like,
I really enjoyed it. That's the sad part about it
is as outrageous as what you just said was. I
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really enjoyed it, like and got a mental image of
the situation. So there you go. All right, well, speaking
of horrible situations and getting canceled or getting fired.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, boy, this is Look, I don't know if I
should be surprised, but I'm kind of surprised that it
actually happened in season. And we've been speculating, all right,
what's going on in Carolina? Like, what's actually happening, right, Carolyn.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
I've been telling us about his close friend and business
mentor and Tepper. You know, he's been telling us the
whole entire time that he saw the handwriting on the wall.
By the way, Tepper was crunching the numbers and all
that stuff on you know, the the prognostications of where
where Reich went ended up as a coach.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
And it went down shortly after we went off the
area yesterday. Frank Reich gone. He has fired as head
coach of.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
The Comedy Games. There's what are we eleven games?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Now?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
How many years? How many games?
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Eleven twelve games, something like that. But he becomes the
first coach since the merger in nineteen seventy to be
fired in back to back seasons. Frank Frank, Now, he
did speak, you know, with the local reporter and just
kind of said, hey, you know, I'm not done coaching,
but as far as his NFL you know you a coach, Yeah,
(23:54):
it's just not going to happen anymore. So disappointing for
Frank Reich. He was brought in there, and just the
way NFL Network made it play out yesterday though, was
that he was sort of a fallback plan because they
had interest in Ben Johnson, the offensive coordinator from Detroit,
and he decided to stay put. And so now Carolina
finds themselves in a familiar spot to where they're looking
(24:16):
for a head coach, which seems like what they've been
doing for the past several years. So bad spot for
Frank Raig, bad spot for Bryce Young in company. But
welcome to the Carolina Panthers under David Temper.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
I mean, well, I disagree with the past several years.
I mean, obviously, you know, they just fired Matt Ruhle
last year. And I think the tough thing is is
this is not the second head coach that I mean,
you talk about like wanting to rebuild, you talk about
wanting to give them patients.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
You haven't given him any of that.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
And I think when you are a owner who David
Temper has some experience as a minority owner. He bought
a small steak in the Pittsburgh Steelers back in two
thousand and eight. I believe so he obviously saw how
quite possible one of the best.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Organizations, if not the best, has operated.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
And I don't know if the firing of Matt Canada
something that the Steelers hadn't done it in season, firing
like that since nineteen forty one. I'm not sure if
that played a role in his decision to fire Frank Reich.
I'm not sure if his it's his history or background
being in finance, where you can take companies, you can
(25:30):
look at their balance sheets, and you can then evaluate
what assets, what potential opportunity and profitability could be there
if you implement a few different strategies to turn around
the organization. I'm not sure if he feels like it's
that simple, and he feels like that he's got this
(25:52):
intuition or knowledge that the rest of NFL owners don't
and he just hasn't found the right guy to be
the head coach yet to turn things around, turn those
numbers around the world of football.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
But it feels like he's applying what he's done.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
In the past to have success in the NFL, and
that's just not a recipe for success. Like this is
a people person business. This takes time. There's no exact formula,
there's no exact science for this. This is how it works,
Like it takes time to transition over a roster. We
rebuild a roster. So maybe there's an element of him
(26:30):
trying to, you know, say, I know this isn't right,
or we missed whoever it was, whether it was Scott
Fideral general manager, that's still there, which is a bit
surprising if this has to do with Bryce Young or
the lack of development Bryce Young, even though they've they've
said that, hey, we feel like we're making these changes
to help Bryce Young succeed. It's like, okay, well, Frank
(26:51):
Reik's a damn good coach. He was a good player.
Josh McCown played for a long time. He's gone too.
Dude Staley, great player, you know, he's gone too. Like
all those guys came in with the reputation of being
you know, good players, great locker room guys, good for
the development of Bryce Young and any other younger player
on that roster, and now they're all gone before you
(27:14):
even let the seas the first season getting through it.
It just it feels like this is an example of
an owner interjecting himself, and now I think, moving forward,
he's got to look squarely in the mirror because he's
the one that's that's accountable for what this has become.
And it feels like a mess, And it feels like
a job that someone's gonna take it because he's got money,
(27:36):
and they've got money to be able to pay someone.
But you're now going to be paying for two coaches
for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
And I just don't know how you can.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
Walk in and take that job and think, yeah, like
I'm I'm gonna have any time to make this team
what I think it's capable of making, and the roster
is far from where it needs to be.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Growing up in Pittsburgh again, I always tell the story
that I heard when I went pro. You heard the
legends of the Rooney family and how they did things.
And I was at some some event and we were
talking about the most successful owners and successful franchises, and
(28:19):
the story that ensued was they they came in that
You know, everybody gets there at a certain certain time.
You get there your early, da da da. But depending
on whose earliest that's that it almost like becomes a competition,
who's their earliest to get there early bird gets the worm. Well,
one of the guys came in. They were running a
(28:40):
little late boom. They park at the back of the
parking lot, get out of the car, walking in and
he sees the main Rooney Like at the time, I
want to say it was the one after which one
was the one that was made the.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Ambassador in Ireland or something like that.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
Was that dad that was Johnson.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Not Woody, it was it was It was a it
was a Ruiney, one of the Roonies, but it was
the one after Art.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Dan is a dad.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
He was like the older one, the gray hair, you know,
passed away like he was probably Dan Rooney.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Okay, yeah, it sounds about right.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Well, he's walking in from the back of the parking
lot with with the guy that's telling the story about
you know, getting in late, and he looked at it,
looked at him and said what are you What are
you parked back here for? Like, where are you walking
this far away? He said, well, I got in late.
He's the same reason why you're whining he said, if
I want to park closer, I'll get in earlier. And
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that mentality when when you humanize yourself to people that
look at you as something other than a person, it
has an outstanding like like a just a profound impact
on how people view things and how they view the world.
(29:59):
You know, not to make any crazy comparisons, but I
played for an owner that what you're kind of what
you're talking about, Q. That was disconnected to understanding how
people driven football really is, football culture really is. And
this dude thought that making everything, which I'm sure it
can work, but this man had They had all calves
(30:23):
of reserve parking lots. First parking lot was reserved for him,
little Danny, second parking lot was reserved for his dad.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Hell yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
And then the third parking lot was reserved for the
other owner. And then there was like all kinds of
other reserved or spots. So by the time you get
through all of the reserved spots, you know you're trying
to find a spot that isn't very close. But what
made it interesting is a lot of the things that
you see owners that don't understand the humanistic aspect of
(30:54):
running a franchise create division amongst the people that work there.
It's like a natural thing that develops like that's one
of that's one of his guys, or I'm not one
of his guys, or why is this person getting that
type of preferential treatment this person over here? And I
mean it's stemmed far beyond just the locker room. It
(31:17):
stemmed into the media area. Its stemmed into the cells.
Like the sales people were at odds, the media people
were at odds, the scouting department were at every everybody's
at odds. Because everybody's fighting for something that's kind of
the same, but it's it's it's very different. You're not
fighting to win and go in the same direction. You're
(31:40):
fighting to have the owners, you know, his his okay
or his blessing, or to be one of one of
his guys. That's what you're fighting for. And I think
when when owners make it about themselves, it just becomes
a very very difficult proposition in the sport of of
football to actually have a level of success that you're
(32:04):
looking for. I always say it's hard enough to win
on Sundays in terms of just preparing for the game,
but when you talk about all of the other elements
that come into play and what you have to try
to navigate during the course of a week, during the
course of a season, during the course of an off season.
The less distractions, the less divisiveness, the more together that
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you are, the more the closer that you guys are
and the buy in that's what really gets people through.
You get good coaching, but it's the buy in of
one another, not the fractured type of relationships or how
it works together. And so when you get an owner
that doesn't understand it that way and doesn't make you
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feel like we're in this together, you're not taking ownership
over what you're doing. You're looking at it as I'm
doing my job. And that's kind of a sad commentary
if you ask me, and I think David Temper is
starting to discover it's a lot harder to be an
owner than you realized.
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Speaker 9 (34:37):
Jonas Morning, Brady, guys, miss a crazy or shocking new evidence.
Speaker 8 (34:49):
Shot?
Speaker 9 (34:50):
Shut up up, hello everybody, as in case you missed this,
shocking new evidence appears to expose Sports Illustrated for using
fake writers and AI generated r articles and since deleting
it all after someone has questioned the contents.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I don't know if you guys have seen this story
or not.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
All right, do you want to hear the truth? Hey?
Speaker 9 (35:10):
Lee, Hey Brady, Yes, I do want to hear the truth.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Brady. This is actually more widespread.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Than just sa uh oh.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
I won't believe it at that, but there have been.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Companies that have been using I don't know how you
describe it, but artificial intelligence in a way to almost
I don't say aggregate, but they kind of take it
to create articles to like mass produce reactions and things
to different games and sports events, etc. And it obviously
cuts their cost of you using humans to do it.
(35:42):
And it's actually pretty incredible software. It's able to take
box scores and then reap through play by plays and
kind of construct something from that. It's kind of scary,
but kind of crazy and cool at the same time,
but it's a cost cutting measure when you don't obviously
have to provide for a salary and benefits and.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Everything else for employees. Someone actually write those artists.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
So can I ask a question, Yeah, why is this
so offensive? I mean, if you're getting what you're looking
at and it's clearly going to be way I mean,
I hate say this. I'm assuming it's going to be
way more accurate than what a person would do. Like,
why have a problem with it?
Speaker 6 (36:23):
Honestly, I can't answer that because I don't really know, right,
Like AI is being you know, utilized in so many
different industries that it's just kind of a way of life.
It's going to take over for a number of jobs. Now,
I think what would happen is you probably would get
maybe more editors, you know, and so instead of actual
(36:45):
people writing, they're probably looking over what the AI functionality
creates and then reading through the article and say a right,
I can add this, or you know, adjust this, or
this is a little off for this isn't exactly how
it worked, or maybe there needs more emphasis or focus
on this particular situation from like the human standpoint or
(37:05):
the human emotion part of it, But I'm with you, like,
I actually don't have a problem with it at all.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yeah, I understand it.
Speaker 9 (37:12):
Yeah, Well, it gets weird when you start having fake
writers with fake bios talking about, you know, their personal
lives and it's all turns out being a fake. A
group of ESSA writers who call themselves the SI Union
said they were horrified by the report and are demanding answers.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
That's one thing.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
If you've got like a website that's claiming these people exist.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
In the really, that's not that's where that's where.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
The albums, that's deceitful.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (37:35):
Yeah, and it brings into basic journalistic standards of practice.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Well, with that being said, i mean there are people
that get blow up dolls and all kinds of stuff
like that. I mean, i mean, hello, that's artificial intelligence,
isn't it.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
Basic journalistic integrity and tact that's that's been out the
window a long time ago.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
I'm just I'm just reading the uh, the article about
personal life and stuff like that. I mean, there's I'm
sure a lot of people that are real people that
are well artificially talking about what they got going on
in their personal wall.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
You would feel more comfortable if it was a blow
up rider instead of an AI rider.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Not right, Yeah, just like some people would. I mean,
I'm just saying, don't, don't point, don't don't throw rocks
out of a glass What is a glass house at
the at the ais?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
You know what I mean. That's all I'm saying. Yeah,
here man, he who cast the first rock? No, go ahead,
Go ahead, guys.
Speaker 9 (38:34):
In case you missed an insult to injury, Nicols State,
after losing its FCS playoff game to Southern Illinois thirty
five to nothing on Saturday afternoon, was stuck in an
airport for twenty four hours after that blowout, lost with
no food and water for a few hours during the
evening after security had to call it an evening.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
And lock them in, so they were a wait Walt style.
Speaker 9 (38:54):
Well, it was a small airport in Marion, Illinois, and
the security was done with their hours.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
So there, you know, And why were they stuck there
for twenty four hours?
Speaker 9 (39:03):
It's a long story. No charter bus flight went off
the off the off rink.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
That was an awful submarine.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
I know I was not given enough time. Oh my gosh,
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