December 8, 2023 • 39 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up on this Football Friday, We're going to look back
at that shootout at Foxborough last night. For all you
haters out there looking at a thirty over under for
that game when the point total, guess what Patriot Steelers
light it up for just under forty plus. We're also
going to talk about what the hell Pittsburgh was doing
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on fourth and two. Potential landing spots for Bill Belichick
coming up next year. Sean mcderbott. Yikes, there are bad
comps and then there's this. Plus we're going to have
another edition of In case you missed it. We've also
got some rumblings about a Jim Harbaugh extension in ann
Arbor is the brotherly shove over with a bird attack
on a celebrity riding a roller coaster. And we've got
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our picks against the spread and another edition of You
and and You Out. It's all yours coming up next here.
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here and expose some people for some negativity here on
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this show. You got sapped, Yeah, we got zaffed. Before
we talk about getting zaft, we must point out here
big announcement here on the show. It's a football Friday.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yes, come on, yeah, yeah, come on, Jonas, come on
the Sam Bill, the Patriots, Bill Belichick, Bill Belichick, Bob.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
O'Brien, Bill O'Brien, hit the Bill O'Brien hit the l B.
Come on, New England, Yeah, New England. Yeah, okay, okay,
all right, yeah, yeah, renegade and when renegade we suck,
we suck. Yep, yeah, we suck. I'll come on, Sam,
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come on, Sam, come on, don't go to the old stick.
Come on Sam, Sam, Come on Sam. Friday Night Football Friday,
Football Friday Friday. Then ready, then yeah, ready, Then Reddy
loves this song.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah football, Yeah, you bet You're asked to football Friday
here on the show. And we must talk about some
football that was played last night all over. I mean, listen,
so many negative people out there are just assuming that
the over under set at thirty meant that this is
going to be a low scoring affair. And what happened.
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Pittsburgh got zapped in the first half. It was dead
and over with was the under through one half of football.
And then the second half started and New England decided man,
let's man, oh man, A couple of not very good
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football teams. And I'm sorry to be disrespectful to Pittsburgh.
They're not winning another game this year. And that's just
the bottom line. You can look at the schedule, you
can look at what you want. Whoa, they're not winning
another game this year.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
If pick it comes back, they can win a game.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
The only winnable game they've gotten their schedule for me
is Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
That's geez, Cincinnati, Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, and that's that.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah. Back to the punchline of I can get a
win this week.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Oh interesting, But hey, listen, man, Patriots on a short week.
You know, got to give them credit. Went out there.
Zeke look good, Zappie looked good early.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Well, I told you what I was concerned with and
what they're gonna do. They're gonna load up the box
to stop the run. And that's what they did, and
they put this game on Trubisky shoulders. And unfortunately, I
felt like the Pittsburgh offensive old, you know, back with
with Matt Canada calling plays. But the reality is that
they can still rip off some wins. Like I never
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count out Pittsburgh. That's just Mike Tomlin's too good of
a coach. This roster has too much talent, you can.
I mean, I'm not sure if you think they have
to go to Indianapolis, but you're playing against the back
of a Gardner minshew, since Daddy at home's very beatable.
I mean, you don't know Week eighteen what Baltimore's gonna
be doing with their their starters.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Maybe you luck out and they're not.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Competing for the number one overall, see because they've got
the division locked up, or they've got you know that
the AFC playoff pictures locked up to the point where
they know where they're at, they can't improve and they're
not gonna play their players at risk injury. So I
would actually argue the contrary. They could probably win any
of the next four games they play. The tough part
is three of the four are on the road, but
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defense travels, and if they can run the football, that's
the biggest thing. But I also think they need Kenny
pick it back, Like that's pretty evident.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Oh man, It's just so like nerve wracking, Like it's
it's like, what are you going? It's kind of like
you know what you're gonna get when you watch the
Stellers play Stillers, but then you have hope that it
may be different, you know, and the way that they play,
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and you hear the names, you know, you hear Pickings,
you hear the names out there, and and every once
in a while they'd make a big play like the touchdown,
the touchdown that Trubisky threw to what's Buddy's name right
before half. Yeah, okay, And it was a nice throw.
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It was a nice catch, and it's like, okay, they've
woken up. Like here we go, We're going to have
a game. It's twenty one to ten, like boom. Then
they get to eighteen, it's three point game. It's like
all right, like but wait, like the biggest drive of
the game, the biggest drive of the game. And on
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third down you called plays that were going outside. Nothing
came inside that I could see. Maybe I missed it,
but it looked like all of the players were covered
to the outside, Like it looked like they went man
there to the outside. And it was a slow developing
play and Trubisky didn't have anybody, didn't see anybody open.
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And then it's a fourth down and two. First of all,
it was third down in two as well. But it's
a fourth down and two, and you throw a bomb
at the most critical time in the game. You throw
a bomb. And what would say to you that the
way Mitch Trubisky was playing, that he would actually land
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a bomb. That's that's that's what I was thinking. He
would land a bomb. And the most important key moment
of the game he's going to this.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Though I do respect the fact this levarn No one
in the citium probably thought that was the direction.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
That so if you hear away, let's do something. We're
gonna do. You know what, you aren't good enough to
do to say, hey, I bet you nobody is going
to go deep. Let's go deep.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Like there was more people that thought they were gonna
punt in that situation than throw a bomb there to
what Deans Johnson.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I was just in Vegas. I was just in Vegas,
and I walking around that that casino. I saw some
of the biggest day they had, like one of the
biggest poker games going on. I saw more people with
better odds of winning. No, and that casino. Don't say
that than I did on that play call being successful.
(09:34):
Oh yeah I did, Oh yeah, I do. Oh yeah.
If I was betting the bank on that play, I
would have won the bank because I would have said,
you know what, Pittsburgh is going to do some type
of a back running back play. Uh, I mean, it's
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too down territory, like we're going to run the ball
and oh yeah, we're going to run the ball again,
or we're going to run some type of a flare
something something that gets the running back into a matchup
situation and get the ball to the running back. I
would have won. I would have won if I bet
the bank and and I would have lost, Like I
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certainly would have lost, because who does that? Who does that? Not?
Great man? That was?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
That was not? I mean it's good for you know
whoever holds the number one pick. Oh, that's the Carolina Panthers,
because now the Patriots of that win, Carolina's got some
two game clearance there, so you know, weird.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
For the Patriots, like I talked about the stillers the
whole time, But good for the Patriots going into a
hostile environment being able to get through the fourth quarter.
Song that comes on, and everybody waved the Renegade song
stick sticks Renegade. They even go I kind of forgot
how does that go?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I remember the intro being pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
How does the beginning of that song?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
So like the chorus, it's not as good in the chorus.
You gotta get the build up.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I feel like the build up is really oh my,
I mean they were in that stadium, like they were
in the stadium, like they saw the terrible towels.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Fourth and two for the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
They heard the voices, game on the line. They heard
the screams, the hollers of the Stiller.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Faithful Trubisky back to throw, black.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
And Gold, the black and gold dishes, the Rooneys, the
Steel Curtain, Franco and Rocky, g and.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
G Porter, a game ferrier, the terrible Casey Hafted, Jeff
Reeds drinking. Come on, Jeff Hardings, oh man, come on.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
I wish for Pittsburgh it would have worked out differently
because you could have you could have been playing this
and excitement and all that, and.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Gosh, speaking of excitement, you want to hear a fired
up Bill Belichick after the game. Fired up Bill Belichick postgame.
Speaker 7 (12:30):
Happy for for a team, happy for the coaches. Like
I said, it was a short week, not much sleep
this week, but they put a lot into it, and
it's very satisfying to see the results that we had today.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Really feeling it there. I don't really care about that,
thank you. That's but you could tell he was at
the end when he thought Zeke had that first down
and he was, you know, sort of celebrating on the sideline.
He's been under fire for majority of the season, worse
than he's ever been throughout the course of his career.
So it was nice to see, even though it's unfortunate
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for Pittsburgh and just an awful performance, it was nice
to see the Patriots and Bill Belichick get it done there.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
You know, there wasn't There's an interesting stat Mike Tomlin
isn't very good against Bill Belichick. Like I think he's
got like a really and I'm looking for it, but
it's like a really bad record. It's like three and
six or three and nine or something that after last night,
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it's like one more, you know, to add to it,
but I can't find it. But it's like he has
a really really bad record against Bill Belichick. So I
don't know, maybe that's maybe you know.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
What's interesting about that stat is I would imagine most
coaches do not have a good record versus Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
M winner three oh one for Belichick in his career.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
He's making his way to Shula. Yeah, she's making his way.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I mean it's gonna take another season or two though.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Do you think that's what's gonna be repel him to
want to stay in New England, to just keep coaching
if possible there?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Well, I think there or at least keep coaching somewhere, because.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Well, you threw out the possibility and I don't know
if there's yesterday's notes or last night's about if they
do get I like a Drake May Kaitler Williams, would
that be enough to want them to say, let's give
Bill Belichick a shot with this young quarterback and let's
see what that looks like for a year before we
decide to move on. Because I mean, honestly, their defense
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is playing really well, that's his calling.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Car.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
We know that they're a well coached team, situational team.
They just offensively it's been awful. But also I mean,
if you again, if you look at who's making those
decisions on the draft picks, it's ultimately him.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
And I think that's the tough part.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Is do you continue to enable him to make these
selections or do you get him to agree that, Hey, Tate,
let's take some off your plate, focus on just coaching, Like,
trust us to be a part of this process with you,
and we'll get the right guy in. Because but can
he do that? Do you think he's get people of
doing it, of giving up control? I don't know, man,
I think that's one of the toughest things.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
To do old. Heyes, man, I've seen it. Well.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
The thing is, I think the older you get, and Levarn,
I'm not saying this out of any other reason, just
because you.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Are the more SPECIs of three of us.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
But like I would imagine, like you look at life
and you look at things, and you say, well, I've
been through this, like how many times, Like I now
know from a macro level what should be going on
at a micro level, and how because I've seen as
going to tell me that I'm incorrect and what it
is that I'm thinking and how I'm assessing it.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
That's how I guess. That's how i'd portray it, right,
which which would be in some ways and in some
regards respectable and admired and and you know what, believable.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I wonder if he doesn't want to deal with the
growing pains of a young quarterback again, And I think if.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Why, though this team's built for that right now.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
I just they've got a good defense if you find
a couple pieces on the outside. But because think about
when Tom Brady first won him and look, I had
Charlie Weiss's offensive.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
You know, he was their offensive Cordator Mike.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Head coach, and he would talk about how, like, look,
that was a team that was based on their defense.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
It was based on the running game.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
They would find ways of getting screened shots things that
or Tom felt comfortable early in his career until he
then really took over and was, you know, comfortable being
the guy. But it wasn't like right away they just
anointed him as a guy who's gonna throw the ball,
you know, sixty times fifty times a game. So if
you look at who the guys were on the outside right,
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guys like Troy Brown, David Gibbons a game. I mean,
it wasn't like they were they had to be like
high round draft picks. They were guys they put into
positions to succeed and they did so. I don't know
I would actually make the case I think this team
is in a better spot at least what they're defense
is at.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
And then when Andrey Street, it seems isn't there healthy
and Zeke or whoever else. I mean, they could, they
could run the ball. It's just the.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Passing game portion of it that obviously needs to improve.
And I think part of that might be the quarterback players.
As we saw last night Bailey Zapp he had a
great game, and give him credit. I should say, great half,
give him, give him credit and then and then that's
what this team could maybe become able to do.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I think the Chargers are a live dog for Belichick really, yeah.
And I think for Harrball well, I mean, based on
the reports that are out there, harbor on five years.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, trying to put though it would be the biggest
mistake I think. I think Bill Belichick going to a
different place would be a mistake for the people that
are hiring him, and it would be a mistake for him.
But yeah, I don't think it would.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
You don't think You don't think, you don't you don't think.
You don't think he would bring on Josh McDaniels to
be his OC for a little revenge twice a year
against the Raiders, just a little screw you.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I think he would bring his whole entire coaching staff.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
If he wants to if if he wants to win,
if he wants to pass Don Sula, He's going to dog.
He's going to do it quicker with the Chargers than
he is with the Patriots, And I think that's the goal.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Would like to revisit the point Q may though in
terms of relinquishing you know your your power. I mean,
I think at this point, if he were to relinquish
it because just because you're an old hit and that's
your thought process, maybe possibly that I know more than you,
so you learn from me and execute what I want,
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versus you use your your youth and understanding on how
you see things and make it better for us as
a whole. I feel like if Bill Belichick were to
embrace that, he gets himself out of the way of
the scrutiny that comes along with miss draft picks or misseasons.
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At this point, you give Robert Kraft the ability to
have cop know, give culpability to someone else, like it's
not Bill, it's these young guys that are doing it,
and let them take the take the blame. Let them
get the axe and the hammer when when things don't
go right. But when you have as much under control
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as as Bill Belichick does within the organization, everything is
going to come back to you. The blame is ultimately
going to stick to you. And they have not been
a very good team and I don't think last night
makes them a better team. I just think that they
outclassed a team that is maybe struggling the same way
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that they're struggling, maybe a little better, but not with
their starting quarterback as well. So you had a battle
of backups in the game and he was able to
get that. I don't think that clears them of what's
going on. So I think it would be a great
idea for Bill Belichick if he really wanted to keep coaching,
is not to think about going to a different a
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different franchise, but relinquish some of that power and that control,
let other people make some decisions and you just focus
on coaching. I think that would be the best decision
for him. I could see that.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
I think the one tough thing is if you feel
like you get to a point where you just need
change because you're not appreciated.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Anymore for what you've done or what you can do.
Sometimes change isn't a bad thing.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Like I think when you look at like Rogers going
to the Jets, he almost seemed reborn in some ways
because they were so excited to have him. And I'm
like maybe Tom Brady to in Tampa to a degree,
like just being able to then have it be on
his own and with a team that you know, he
didn't have to be under Belichick.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
You know for those who feel like that's different for
an old ass coach, No, because I feel like I
feel like we're all human. Man.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
You get to a point where like people don't feel appreciated.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
But that's back to that older thing, like when you're old,
you're like, man, look here, I'm I lived here, I
carew here, I'm going to die here. You know what
I mean?
Speaker 5 (21:03):
And you can always go back to I just I
feel like, in at least in the professional realm, I
do feel like regardless of what age generation you come from,
people still.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Want to feel appreciated for the work that they do.
You know, I don't.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
It doesn't feel good when things turn sour and it's
like people are looking at you like a guy who
hasn't won six Super Bowls for him you know.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Well, if you're a Patriots fan, that was pretty rad
to see that game last night, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I'm up and ready to go. I thought Sale Bailey zappy, Yeah, first.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Half was instead of calling him by his name, can
we just play a zapping sound? Just a bug zapper sound?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
What does that sound like? Sam?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Do you even have that I don't. I was actually
looking for a zap sound.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
You're just gonna make it yourself.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
That's all we got. That's all we got here. Sure,
all right, So we are going to have the usuals
coming up later on. We do have another fashion in
case you missed it. We've got our picks against the spread.
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We will tell you what that is. Coming up here
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again in twenty minutes from now here on FSR. But
Sean McDermott man, listen, there are comps and then there's this.
In an article published by Tyler Dunn of Golong on Thursday,
Bill's head coach Sean McDermott in twenty nineteen used the
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nine to eleven hijackers as an example of a group
with good communication and the ability to come together as one.
I'm not making that up. That's a real thing, as
confirmed by many players who were there, who spoke with
ESPN and obviously spoke with Tyler Dunn, who put the
article out as part of a three part I guess
(24:01):
deep dive into the issues with Sean McDermott and Buffalo.
So Sean McDermott, the head coach of the Bills, was
asked about and actually, I think he just opened up
the press conference in talking about the article that came out,
and let's take a listen to how smooth this went.
Speaker 10 (24:17):
I'm going to reference the team meeting that has been
brought up. My intent in the meeting that day was
to discuss the importance of communication and being on the
same page with the team. I regretted mentioning nine to
eleven in my message that day, and I immediately apologized
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to the team. Not only was nine to eleven a
horrific event in our country's history, but a day, but
a day that I lost a good family friend. And
so with that, I'll turn it over to answer any
questions you might have.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
I mean, I mean, so, let's let's first talk about
how this gets out. I don't know if it was
a player. I'd imagine it.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Probably was a player, a player's agent.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
And maybe someone who doesn't think he can do the job,
because how else does this get out?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, and it hadn't come out in four years, and
now it comes out now in a rough season.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
It's almost like they were waiting for the right time
to bring it up and to try to assassinate him as.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
A leader and his character to a degree or really
more judgment, like why would you.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Talk about that specific event in the manner in which
he did and join us if you want to elaborate
on what he was talking about that occurred that day,
you can. I just you know, I think we get
caught up a lot of times in when a head
coach is hired who he thinks should be a head
coach or bigger picture, who should be a leader or
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leadership position. I firmly believe like you either have it
or you don't. And I know, like you can go
and get your Masters in business, Go get your MBA,
and they can teach you frameworks. They can teach you
in a corporate world, how to go about decision making,
how to go about treating people and leading people and
(26:22):
communicating to people, like there are some you know, processes
that you can learn. You've can listen to podcasts and
go online. You either have it or you don't, Like
you either have this innate ability in the moment to
know what to do or what to say or you
don't like. I firmly believe that, and I think the
problem is in the NFL and really a lot of
(26:43):
other places in society. We view there to be stepping
stones to get to that spot. Like we say, well,
if you want to be a head coach, you got
to first off, be a good position coach, right, because
if you don't know how to coach a position, why
shouldn't you be in trusted with coaching in time team?
And if you want to be a good coordinator or
(27:04):
excuse me, if you want to be a head coach,
you gotta be a coordinator, because you have to know
one side of the ball, right. You have to be
really good at offense, really good at defense, and really
good at special teams, right. And then from there, once
you excel and you're really good at that, then we say, well,
now you can be a head coach because you've got
experience as a position coach, You've got experience at those
other levels.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
And there is some.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Validity to that, Like you do have to know football,
you have to know it from the micro level and
also a macro level. But there's also an element of
we then just look for a guy who happens to
be really good at one side of the ball, and
we don't know if he has any other traits or
abilities to lead men or lead people. I just I
feel like oftentimes like we create a list when you're
(27:46):
in a position to hire someone of just saying, well,
this person, you know, they've checked all these boxes, so
they make sense to go in this position.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
But like I'm sure we've all been around people who.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Have been in leadership positions where we said, yeah, this
guy just got it because if this reason or what
he did before, not because he'd be actually good at
that that job.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Is that is that fair to say? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (28:10):
And I think that's part of the issue with this
is someone feels like they don't feel like he's a
good leader. They feel like he's a good defensive coordinator,
he's a good position coach, you know, defensive you know,
position coach. But whoever leaked this, whoever put this out,
feels like he must not be a good leader if
you're going to reference things four years ago, like that's
(28:31):
that's how it struck me.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
First off, If he used a reference like nine to
eleven and in his conversation with his team. I mean again,
we had the conversation yesterday that things that take place
in the locker room and sometimes even in the meeting
rooms are meant to be there and meant to stay there.
(29:00):
I don't think that anyone in their right mind would
think that McDermott would use a reference of something like
nine to eleven and intentionally be reckless and not thoughtful
about what took place. Like I mean, it does come
(29:21):
back to intent, I would assume so to me, for
it to be made into a thing where it's actually
being weaponized against McDermott, for this to be where it
is said you said, sometimes guys have it or they don't. Well,
my biggest blame is the movie industry because for some
(29:44):
strange reason, we're so caught up into being warriors, and
head coaches maybe aren't going on the football field, but
they're like the general, you know what I mean. So
I blame it on those moments where it's like this,
it's spotter. I blame it on those moments. I blame
(30:04):
it on the moments when when Denzel Washington told the
kid like who's your daddy? Who's your daddy? And then
they get on the bus and then they go to Gettysburg.
And I'll tell you what men died here. They laid
their lives down fighting for something they believed in. And
(30:26):
we can either come together tonight or we can suffer
the same fate as those men all those years ago.
Like Any Given Sunday, al Pacino, like Rocky Balboa, Rocky
isn't even a real figure, but he's so believable that
he's like a folk tell he's a hero, like he's
a real person.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I mean, the Any Given Sunday speech was awesome, though.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Really I'm just saying I believe I blame it on
the movie industries because everybody has to give Like look
at Russell Crowe and Gladiator. Every leader has to give
that signature speech. And I would say, either you got
it or you don't. In giving speeches and talking to people,
(31:12):
sometimes people are just good at coaches coaching. They're good
with x'es and o's and different things like that, and
it's not their department to try to speak to people
on a level where they can actually reach them and
rally them together. And I blame that on the on
the movie industry. That's that's what I honestly, I believe
(31:33):
that's the truth of this.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
And that's where waving all this that's gotten nowt not
on Sean mcdermot's shoosing to use one of the most
tragic events in the history of humanity, But you're playing
on the movie industry.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
That's correct, Lawyer.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
That is This is why I love you, LeVar, because
I never thought I was going to get that take today.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
And that's I love it. I was, I was. I
was with marketing them yesterday and I told him that.
I told him.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
I was like, LeVar has some of the most unique
perspective and I love that because every day I usually
get surprised with something and I'm like, I didn't think
about it.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
It's like a coach, why did you Why did you
say what you did four years ago? Don't look at me,
look at al Pacino.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
I mean, I just I grew up watching these things.
Like that's what in his mind, that's what he's thinking about,
Like when it all when when when the situation is
bleak and it's at its worst, you have to have
something to say And where did that come from? That
came from the influences that you had growing up, whether
(32:35):
it was the fish that saved Pittsburgh. Well, you know,
whatever it was, there was something that made you feel
like you had to give a speech that you know.
Now I'm joking, I'm being sarcastic, but in reality, if
you really think about it, isn't that true?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Well look at Hard Knocks in the first episode, all
before they go to the first break, it's always the
coach given the speech when they when the team all
gets together. Robert Solo this year was like an eagle
flying over a you know, a dub who has taking
a crap or whatever it was. But there was this
big and the build up and the music. They always
that's always the go to right as you go to break.
And now you look back all these weeks later and
(33:13):
you go, man, that speech didn't mean anything because Tim
Boyle just got cut. None of that mattered. It was
all a crap. I just uh listen, bad comp bad
idea and the fact that this is out and part
of a three part right up on. Sean McDermott tells me, yeah,
it's not good man, Like it just seems like it
(33:33):
seems like.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
The end is near. Is Stefan dick some we're rubbing
his hands together like that. No more storming out upset
for me, Wait till they get a load of me.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
So you have an opportunity to see something we haven't
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We'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
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Speaker 1 (34:05):
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Speaker 2 (35:03):
So you sometimes you can't get to everything in the
world of sports or entertainment. Good thing, the guys are
here to bring you in case.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
You missed it, and for that we turn it over
to our executive producer Lee de Lap.
Speaker 11 (35:19):
Good morning everybody, Morning, Jonas, Morning, Brady, Morning LaVar. Guys,
in case you missed it. We have talked a lot
about setting all time lows for the Iowa team, uh
this season. Yes, I will Sam, that is correct.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
We have talked a lot about.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Setting all time lows.
Speaker 9 (35:37):
Now we're talking about setting.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
All time highs.
Speaker 11 (35:39):
Iowa wunner Tory Taylor, Hey Brady, Iowa putter. Iowa putter
Tory Taylor has an opportunity to break an eighty five
year old college football record this postseason. He's only twenty
twenty yards short from setting the single season mark for
total punt yards yardage, so facing Tennessee and the Citrus Bowl,
all he needs one punts.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
They're gonna be punning all right. Hey.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
By the way, is he a Sam? Has he ever
faked a punt? I don't think so.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
I'll bet they Why would you just take away from
the beauty of watching Tory Taylor punt?
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Great? QUI to throw a spiral? I want to say,
spiral that.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Punt before or after the fifth round he gets drafted.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
It will be if you put it at four and
a half. I'd say the over, because you just don't
usually draft punters that high.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
If you're gonna draft a sure thing, though, he'd be it.
You know what you ah, Torri, you know, don't you
know what you drill?
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yes, they will punt at least once in this game.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I'm sure we're all sure. There's no doubt he's gonna
break the record.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
By the way, did they do his final home game?
Did they do the entrance like they did with Joe
Burrow back in the day at LSU where they followed.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Him from they try to do something similar?
Speaker 1 (37:10):
So great, sir, it's so great.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Sam.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
You got to get a tailor jersey? Want you to
get one of his jerseys.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
On that?
Speaker 2 (37:25):
All right? Y?
Speaker 1 (37:26):
What else we got guys?
Speaker 11 (37:27):
We've talked a lot about the committee's controversial decision for
the college football playoff rankings, but maybe they got things
right because ticket prices are soaring. Supposedly, the Rose Bowl
average ticket prices four hundred and fifty six dollars, while
the Sugar Bowl between the long Horns and Huskies is
even higher at seven hundred and eighty five dollars. Just
to put that in perspective, for one family, to look
(37:49):
at prices for rooms, tickets, and airfare for a family
of four, that would cost about ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
Yeah, let's talk about this though, which I find a
little bit more interesting. So there was some people out
there he thought Florida State might try to boycott even
playing in the Orange Bowl against Georgia.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
I feel like that'd be such kind of a whimpy
way of going out. Yeah, I understands kicked in.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Well that that's that's the problem is unless you play
the game, that narrative is gonna it's gonna be out
there for everyone, you know, so like you almost have
to go out and play the game and go try
to win that game. Otherwise everyone's gonna say that about you,
like you're gonna take what What's what Florida State people
feel like was a mistake by the committee, And you're
(38:32):
only going to help verify that for them by saying like, yeah,
you don't want to go.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
You don't even want to try to go bet Georgia.
There's probably Georgia to There.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Should be a forty eight hour rule when it comes
to not getting into the college football playoff. After forty
eight hours, if you're still complaining about it, you're just
a cry baby.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
And Florida State is you need to call up Danny
Canell immediately.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Is he still is he still crying?
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Well, this is how he stays relevant. It's you. I mean,
I'm just saying, like, it's Jonas's point. You have to
move on from this.
Speaker 9 (39:04):
It's sober bang bang either decision.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
We can't change it. They're not changing They're not changing
it or not.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
And by the way, if you went out and beat Georgia.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
Like Georgia has the same problem too, Yeah, go out
and make a statement, go on and show over when
you should be it should have been the playoff.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Leave what else we got.
Speaker 11 (39:23):
Alvin Kamara is making amends to the sideline official who
broke his fibula and tore his ligaments by giving him
a signed ball and jersey.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Gosh that was gruesome man.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, still getting an elevator with him.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Search, two pros, and a cup of Joe. By the way,
a cup of Joe
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up on this Football Friday, We're going to look back
at that shootout at Foxborough last night. For all you
haters out there looking at a thirty over under for
that game when the point total, guess what Patriot Steelers
light it up for just under forty plus. We're also
going to talk about what the hell Pittsburgh was doing
(00:21):
on fourth and two. Potential landing spots for Bill Belichick
coming up next year. Sean mcderbott. Yikes, there are bad
comps and then there's this. Plus we're going to have
another edition of In case you missed it. We've also
got some rumblings about a Jim Harbaugh extension in ann
Arbor is the brotherly shove over with a bird attack
on a celebrity riding a roller coaster. And we've got
(00:44):
our picks against the spread and another edition of You
and and You Out. It's all yours coming up next here.
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of twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I did shrugs yesterday, did you Yeah? They were paying
for it too.
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I'm not no soft hand lotion boys.
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(02:55):
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we talk about getting zaft, we must point out here
big announcement here on the show. It's a football Friday.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yes, come on, yeah, yeah, come on, Jonas, come on
the Sam Bill, the Patriots, Bill Belichick, Bill Belichick, Bob.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
O'Brien, Bill O'Brien, hit the Bill O'Brien hit the l B.
Come on, New England, Yeah, New England. Yeah, okay, okay,
all right, yeah, yeah, renegade and when renegade we suck,
we suck. Yep, yeah, we suck. I'll come on, Sam,
(03:40):
come on, Sam, come on, don't go to the old stick.
Come on Sam, Sam, Come on Sam. Friday Night Football Friday,
Football Friday Friday. Then ready, then yeah, ready, Then Reddy
loves this song.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah football, Yeah, you bet You're asked to football Friday
here on the show. And we must talk about some
football that was played last night all over. I mean, listen,
so many negative people out there are just assuming that
the over under set at thirty meant that this is
going to be a low scoring affair. And what happened.
(04:20):
Pittsburgh got zapped in the first half. It was dead
and over with was the under through one half of football.
And then the second half started and New England decided man,
let's man, oh man, A couple of not very good
(04:42):
football teams. And I'm sorry to be disrespectful to Pittsburgh.
They're not winning another game this year. And that's just
the bottom line. You can look at the schedule, you
can look at what you want. Whoa, they're not winning
another game this year.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
If pick it comes back, they can win a game.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
The only winnable game they've gotten their schedule for me
is Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
That's geez, Cincinnati, Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, and that's that.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah. Back to the punchline of I can get a
win this week.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Oh interesting, But hey, listen, man, Patriots on a short week.
You know, got to give them credit. Went out there.
Zeke look good, Zappie looked good early.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Well, I told you what I was concerned with and
what they're gonna do. They're gonna load up the box
to stop the run. And that's what they did, and
they put this game on Trubisky shoulders. And unfortunately, I
felt like the Pittsburgh offensive old, you know, back with
with Matt Canada calling plays. But the reality is that
they can still rip off some wins. Like I never
(05:49):
count out Pittsburgh. That's just Mike Tomlin's too good of
a coach. This roster has too much talent, you can.
I mean, I'm not sure if you think they have
to go to Indianapolis, but you're playing against the back
of a Gardner minshew, since Daddy at home's very beatable.
I mean, you don't know Week eighteen what Baltimore's gonna
be doing with their their starters.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Maybe you luck out and they're not.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Competing for the number one overall, see because they've got
the division locked up, or they've got you know that
the AFC playoff pictures locked up to the point where
they know where they're at, they can't improve and they're
not gonna play their players at risk injury. So I
would actually argue the contrary. They could probably win any
of the next four games they play. The tough part
is three of the four are on the road, but
(06:30):
defense travels, and if they can run the football, that's
the biggest thing. But I also think they need Kenny
pick it back, Like that's pretty evident.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Oh man, It's just so like nerve wracking, Like it's
it's like, what are you going? It's kind of like
you know what you're gonna get when you watch the
Stellers play Stillers, but then you have hope that it
may be different, you know, and the way that they play,
(06:59):
and you hear the names, you know, you hear Pickings,
you hear the names out there, and and every once
in a while they'd make a big play like the touchdown,
the touchdown that Trubisky threw to what's Buddy's name right
before half. Yeah, okay, And it was a nice throw.
(07:24):
It was a nice catch, and it's like, okay, they've
woken up. Like here we go, We're going to have
a game. It's twenty one to ten, like boom. Then
they get to eighteen, it's three point game. It's like
all right, like but wait, like the biggest drive of
the game, the biggest drive of the game. And on
(07:47):
third down you called plays that were going outside. Nothing
came inside that I could see. Maybe I missed it,
but it looked like all of the players were covered
to the outside, Like it looked like they went man
there to the outside. And it was a slow developing
play and Trubisky didn't have anybody, didn't see anybody open.
(08:11):
And then it's a fourth down and two. First of all,
it was third down in two as well. But it's
a fourth down and two, and you throw a bomb
at the most critical time in the game. You throw
a bomb. And what would say to you that the
way Mitch Trubisky was playing, that he would actually land
(08:33):
a bomb. That's that's that's what I was thinking. He
would land a bomb. And the most important key moment
of the game he's going to this.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Though I do respect the fact this levarn No one
in the citium probably thought that was the direction.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
That so if you hear away, let's do something. We're
gonna do. You know what, you aren't good enough to
do to say, hey, I bet you nobody is going
to go deep. Let's go deep.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Like there was more people that thought they were gonna
punt in that situation than throw a bomb there to
what Deans Johnson.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I was just in Vegas. I was just in Vegas,
and I walking around that that casino. I saw some
of the biggest day they had, like one of the
biggest poker games going on. I saw more people with
better odds of winning. No, and that casino. Don't say
that than I did on that play call being successful.
(09:34):
Oh yeah I did, Oh yeah, I do. Oh yeah.
If I was betting the bank on that play, I
would have won the bank because I would have said,
you know what, Pittsburgh is going to do some type
of a back running back play. Uh, I mean, it's
(09:57):
too down territory, like we're going to run the ball
and oh yeah, we're going to run the ball again,
or we're going to run some type of a flare
something something that gets the running back into a matchup
situation and get the ball to the running back. I
would have won. I would have won if I bet
the bank and and I would have lost, Like I
(10:20):
certainly would have lost, because who does that? Who does that? Not?
Great man? That was?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
That was not? I mean it's good for you know
whoever holds the number one pick. Oh, that's the Carolina Panthers,
because now the Patriots of that win, Carolina's got some
two game clearance there, so you know, weird.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
For the Patriots, like I talked about the stillers the
whole time, But good for the Patriots going into a
hostile environment being able to get through the fourth quarter.
Song that comes on, and everybody waved the Renegade song
stick sticks Renegade. They even go I kind of forgot
how does that go?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I remember the intro being pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
How does the beginning of that song?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
So like the chorus, it's not as good in the chorus.
You gotta get the build up.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I feel like the build up is really oh my,
I mean they were in that stadium, like they were
in the stadium, like they saw the terrible towels.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Fourth and two for the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
They heard the voices, game on the line. They heard
the screams, the hollers of the Stiller.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Faithful Trubisky back to throw, black.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
And Gold, the black and gold dishes, the Rooneys, the
Steel Curtain, Franco and Rocky, g and.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
G Porter, a game ferrier, the terrible Casey Hafted, Jeff
Reeds drinking. Come on, Jeff Hardings, oh man, come on.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
I wish for Pittsburgh it would have worked out differently
because you could have you could have been playing this
and excitement and all that, and.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Gosh, speaking of excitement, you want to hear a fired
up Bill Belichick after the game. Fired up Bill Belichick postgame.
Speaker 7 (12:30):
Happy for for a team, happy for the coaches. Like
I said, it was a short week, not much sleep
this week, but they put a lot into it, and
it's very satisfying to see the results that we had today.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Really feeling it there. I don't really care about that,
thank you. That's but you could tell he was at
the end when he thought Zeke had that first down
and he was, you know, sort of celebrating on the sideline.
He's been under fire for majority of the season, worse
than he's ever been throughout the course of his career.
So it was nice to see, even though it's unfortunate
(13:02):
for Pittsburgh and just an awful performance, it was nice
to see the Patriots and Bill Belichick get it done there.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
You know, there wasn't There's an interesting stat Mike Tomlin
isn't very good against Bill Belichick. Like I think he's
got like a really and I'm looking for it, but
it's like a really bad record. It's like three and
six or three and nine or something that after last night,
(13:29):
it's like one more, you know, to add to it,
but I can't find it. But it's like he has
a really really bad record against Bill Belichick. So I
don't know, maybe that's maybe you know.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
What's interesting about that stat is I would imagine most
coaches do not have a good record versus Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
M winner three oh one for Belichick in his career.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
He's making his way to Shula. Yeah, she's making his way.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I mean it's gonna take another season or two though.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Do you think that's what's gonna be repel him to
want to stay in New England, to just keep coaching
if possible there?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Well, I think there or at least keep coaching somewhere, because.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Well, you threw out the possibility and I don't know
if there's yesterday's notes or last night's about if they
do get I like a Drake May Kaitler Williams, would
that be enough to want them to say, let's give
Bill Belichick a shot with this young quarterback and let's
see what that looks like for a year before we
decide to move on. Because I mean, honestly, their defense
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is playing really well, that's his calling.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Car.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
We know that they're a well coached team, situational team.
They just offensively it's been awful. But also I mean,
if you again, if you look at who's making those
decisions on the draft picks, it's ultimately him.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
And I think that's the tough part.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Is do you continue to enable him to make these
selections or do you get him to agree that, Hey, Tate,
let's take some off your plate, focus on just coaching, Like,
trust us to be a part of this process with you,
and we'll get the right guy in. Because but can
he do that? Do you think he's get people of
doing it, of giving up control? I don't know, man,
I think that's one of the toughest things.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
To do old. Heyes, man, I've seen it. Well.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
The thing is, I think the older you get, and Levarn,
I'm not saying this out of any other reason, just
because you.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Are the more SPECIs of three of us.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
But like I would imagine, like you look at life
and you look at things, and you say, well, I've
been through this, like how many times, Like I now
know from a macro level what should be going on
at a micro level, and how because I've seen as
going to tell me that I'm incorrect and what it
is that I'm thinking and how I'm assessing it.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
That's how I guess. That's how i'd portray it, right,
which which would be in some ways and in some
regards respectable and admired and and you know what, believable.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I wonder if he doesn't want to deal with the
growing pains of a young quarterback again, And I think if.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Why, though this team's built for that right now.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
I just they've got a good defense if you find
a couple pieces on the outside. But because think about
when Tom Brady first won him and look, I had
Charlie Weiss's offensive.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
You know, he was their offensive Cordator Mike.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Head coach, and he would talk about how, like, look,
that was a team that was based on their defense.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
It was based on the running game.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
They would find ways of getting screened shots things that
or Tom felt comfortable early in his career until he
then really took over and was, you know, comfortable being
the guy. But it wasn't like right away they just
anointed him as a guy who's gonna throw the ball,
you know, sixty times fifty times a game. So if
you look at who the guys were on the outside right,
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guys like Troy Brown, David Gibbons a game. I mean,
it wasn't like they were they had to be like
high round draft picks. They were guys they put into
positions to succeed and they did so. I don't know
I would actually make the case I think this team
is in a better spot at least what they're defense
is at.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
And then when Andrey Street, it seems isn't there healthy
and Zeke or whoever else. I mean, they could, they
could run the ball. It's just the.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Passing game portion of it that obviously needs to improve.
And I think part of that might be the quarterback players.
As we saw last night Bailey Zapp he had a
great game, and give him credit. I should say, great half,
give him, give him credit and then and then that's
what this team could maybe become able to do.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I think the Chargers are a live dog for Belichick really, yeah.
And I think for Harrball well, I mean, based on
the reports that are out there, harbor on five years.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, trying to put though it would be the biggest
mistake I think. I think Bill Belichick going to a
different place would be a mistake for the people that
are hiring him, and it would be a mistake for him.
But yeah, I don't think it would.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
You don't think You don't think, you don't you don't think.
You don't think he would bring on Josh McDaniels to
be his OC for a little revenge twice a year
against the Raiders, just a little screw you.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I think he would bring his whole entire coaching staff.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
If he wants to if if he wants to win,
if he wants to pass Don Sula, He's going to dog.
He's going to do it quicker with the Chargers than
he is with the Patriots, And I think that's the goal.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Would like to revisit the point Q may though in
terms of relinquishing you know your your power. I mean,
I think at this point, if he were to relinquish
it because just because you're an old hit and that's
your thought process, maybe possibly that I know more than you,
so you learn from me and execute what I want,
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versus you use your your youth and understanding on how
you see things and make it better for us as
a whole. I feel like if Bill Belichick were to
embrace that, he gets himself out of the way of
the scrutiny that comes along with miss draft picks or misseasons.
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At this point, you give Robert Kraft the ability to
have cop know, give culpability to someone else, like it's
not Bill, it's these young guys that are doing it,
and let them take the take the blame. Let them
get the axe and the hammer when when things don't
go right. But when you have as much under control
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as as Bill Belichick does within the organization, everything is
going to come back to you. The blame is ultimately
going to stick to you. And they have not been
a very good team and I don't think last night
makes them a better team. I just think that they
outclassed a team that is maybe struggling the same way
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that they're struggling, maybe a little better, but not with
their starting quarterback as well. So you had a battle
of backups in the game and he was able to
get that. I don't think that clears them of what's
going on. So I think it would be a great
idea for Bill Belichick if he really wanted to keep coaching,
is not to think about going to a different a
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different franchise, but relinquish some of that power and that control,
let other people make some decisions and you just focus
on coaching. I think that would be the best decision
for him. I could see that.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
I think the one tough thing is if you feel
like you get to a point where you just need
change because you're not appreciated.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Anymore for what you've done or what you can do.
Sometimes change isn't a bad thing.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Like I think when you look at like Rogers going
to the Jets, he almost seemed reborn in some ways
because they were so excited to have him. And I'm
like maybe Tom Brady to in Tampa to a degree,
like just being able to then have it be on
his own and with a team that you know, he
didn't have to be under Belichick.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
You know for those who feel like that's different for
an old ass coach, No, because I feel like I
feel like we're all human. Man.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
You get to a point where like people don't feel appreciated.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
But that's back to that older thing, like when you're old,
you're like, man, look here, I'm I lived here, I
carew here, I'm going to die here. You know what
I mean?
Speaker 5 (21:03):
And you can always go back to I just I
feel like, in at least in the professional realm, I
do feel like regardless of what age generation you come from,
people still.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Want to feel appreciated for the work that they do.
You know, I don't.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
It doesn't feel good when things turn sour and it's
like people are looking at you like a guy who
hasn't won six Super Bowls for him you know.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Well, if you're a Patriots fan, that was pretty rad
to see that game last night, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I'm up and ready to go. I thought Sale Bailey zappy, Yeah, first.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Half was instead of calling him by his name, can
we just play a zapping sound? Just a bug zapper sound?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
What does that sound like? Sam?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Do you even have that I don't. I was actually
looking for a zap sound.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
You're just gonna make it yourself.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
That's all we got. That's all we got here. Sure,
all right, So we are going to have the usuals
coming up later on. We do have another fashion in
case you missed it. We've got our picks against the spread.
We've got you in and you out. It's all yours here.
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world of football that hasn't happened in eighty five years.
We will tell you what that is. Coming up here
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again in twenty minutes from now here on FSR. But
Sean McDermott man, listen, there are comps and then there's this.
In an article published by Tyler Dunn of Golong on Thursday,
Bill's head coach Sean McDermott in twenty nineteen used the
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nine to eleven hijackers as an example of a group
with good communication and the ability to come together as one.
I'm not making that up. That's a real thing, as
confirmed by many players who were there, who spoke with
ESPN and obviously spoke with Tyler Dunn, who put the
article out as part of a three part I guess
(24:01):
deep dive into the issues with Sean McDermott and Buffalo.
So Sean McDermott, the head coach of the Bills, was
asked about and actually, I think he just opened up
the press conference in talking about the article that came out,
and let's take a listen to how smooth this went.
Speaker 10 (24:17):
I'm going to reference the team meeting that has been
brought up. My intent in the meeting that day was
to discuss the importance of communication and being on the
same page with the team. I regretted mentioning nine to
eleven in my message that day, and I immediately apologized
(24:37):
to the team. Not only was nine to eleven a
horrific event in our country's history, but a day, but
a day that I lost a good family friend. And
so with that, I'll turn it over to answer any
questions you might have.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
I mean, I mean, so, let's let's first talk about
how this gets out. I don't know if it was
a player. I'd imagine it.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Probably was a player, a player's agent.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
And maybe someone who doesn't think he can do the job,
because how else does this get out?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, and it hadn't come out in four years, and
now it comes out now in a rough season.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
It's almost like they were waiting for the right time
to bring it up and to try to assassinate him as.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
A leader and his character to a degree or really
more judgment, like why would you.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Talk about that specific event in the manner in which
he did and join us if you want to elaborate
on what he was talking about that occurred that day,
you can. I just you know, I think we get
caught up a lot of times in when a head
coach is hired who he thinks should be a head
coach or bigger picture, who should be a leader or
(26:00):
leadership position. I firmly believe like you either have it
or you don't. And I know, like you can go
and get your Masters in business, Go get your MBA,
and they can teach you frameworks. They can teach you
in a corporate world, how to go about decision making,
how to go about treating people and leading people and
(26:22):
communicating to people, like there are some you know, processes
that you can learn. You've can listen to podcasts and
go online. You either have it or you don't, Like
you either have this innate ability in the moment to
know what to do or what to say or you
don't like. I firmly believe that, and I think the
problem is in the NFL and really a lot of
(26:43):
other places in society. We view there to be stepping
stones to get to that spot. Like we say, well,
if you want to be a head coach, you got
to first off, be a good position coach, right, because
if you don't know how to coach a position, why
shouldn't you be in trusted with coaching in time team?
And if you want to be a good coordinator or
(27:04):
excuse me, if you want to be a head coach,
you gotta be a coordinator, because you have to know
one side of the ball, right. You have to be
really good at offense, really good at defense, and really
good at special teams, right. And then from there, once
you excel and you're really good at that, then we say, well,
now you can be a head coach because you've got
experience as a position coach, You've got experience at those
other levels.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
And there is some.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Validity to that, Like you do have to know football,
you have to know it from the micro level and
also a macro level. But there's also an element of
we then just look for a guy who happens to
be really good at one side of the ball, and
we don't know if he has any other traits or
abilities to lead men or lead people. I just I
feel like oftentimes like we create a list when you're
(27:46):
in a position to hire someone of just saying, well,
this person, you know, they've checked all these boxes, so
they make sense to go in this position.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
But like I'm sure we've all been around people who.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Have been in leadership positions where we said, yeah, this
guy just got it because if this reason or what
he did before, not because he'd be actually good at
that that job.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Is that is that fair to say? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (28:10):
And I think that's part of the issue with this
is someone feels like they don't feel like he's a
good leader. They feel like he's a good defensive coordinator,
he's a good position coach, you know, defensive you know,
position coach. But whoever leaked this, whoever put this out,
feels like he must not be a good leader if
you're going to reference things four years ago, like that's
(28:31):
that's how it struck me.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
First off, If he used a reference like nine to
eleven and in his conversation with his team. I mean again,
we had the conversation yesterday that things that take place
in the locker room and sometimes even in the meeting
rooms are meant to be there and meant to stay there.
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I don't think that anyone in their right mind would
think that McDermott would use a reference of something like
nine to eleven and intentionally be reckless and not thoughtful
about what took place. Like I mean, it does come
(29:21):
back to intent, I would assume so to me, for
it to be made into a thing where it's actually
being weaponized against McDermott, for this to be where it
is said you said, sometimes guys have it or they don't. Well,
my biggest blame is the movie industry because for some
(29:44):
strange reason, we're so caught up into being warriors, and
head coaches maybe aren't going on the football field, but
they're like the general, you know what I mean. So
I blame it on those moments where it's like this,
it's spotter. I blame it on those moments. I blame
(30:04):
it on the moments when when Denzel Washington told the
kid like who's your daddy? Who's your daddy? And then
they get on the bus and then they go to Gettysburg.
And I'll tell you what men died here. They laid
their lives down fighting for something they believed in. And
(30:26):
we can either come together tonight or we can suffer
the same fate as those men all those years ago.
Like Any Given Sunday, al Pacino, like Rocky Balboa, Rocky
isn't even a real figure, but he's so believable that
he's like a folk tell he's a hero, like he's
a real person.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I mean, the Any Given Sunday speech was awesome, though.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Really I'm just saying I believe I blame it on
the movie industries because everybody has to give Like look
at Russell Crowe and Gladiator. Every leader has to give
that signature speech. And I would say, either you got
it or you don't. In giving speeches and talking to people,
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sometimes people are just good at coaches coaching. They're good
with x'es and o's and different things like that, and
it's not their department to try to speak to people
on a level where they can actually reach them and
rally them together. And I blame that on the on
the movie industry. That's that's what I honestly, I believe
(31:33):
that's the truth of this.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
And that's where waving all this that's gotten nowt not
on Sean mcdermot's shoosing to use one of the most
tragic events in the history of humanity, But you're playing
on the movie industry.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
That's correct, Lawyer.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
That is This is why I love you, LeVar, because
I never thought I was going to get that take today.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
And that's I love it. I was, I was. I
was with marketing them yesterday and I told him that.
I told him.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
I was like, LeVar has some of the most unique
perspective and I love that because every day I usually
get surprised with something and I'm like, I didn't think
about it.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
It's like a coach, why did you Why did you
say what you did four years ago? Don't look at me,
look at al Pacino.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
I mean, I just I grew up watching these things.
Like that's what in his mind, that's what he's thinking about,
Like when it all when when when the situation is
bleak and it's at its worst, you have to have
something to say And where did that come from? That
came from the influences that you had growing up, whether
(32:35):
it was the fish that saved Pittsburgh. Well, you know,
whatever it was, there was something that made you feel
like you had to give a speech that you know.
Now I'm joking, I'm being sarcastic, but in reality, if
you really think about it, isn't that true?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Well look at Hard Knocks in the first episode, all
before they go to the first break, it's always the
coach given the speech when they when the team all
gets together. Robert Solo this year was like an eagle
flying over a you know, a dub who has taking
a crap or whatever it was. But there was this
big and the build up and the music. They always
that's always the go to right as you go to break.
And now you look back all these weeks later and
(33:13):
you go, man, that speech didn't mean anything because Tim
Boyle just got cut. None of that mattered. It was
all a crap. I just uh listen, bad comp bad
idea and the fact that this is out and part
of a three part right up on. Sean McDermott tells me, yeah,
it's not good man, Like it just seems like it
(33:33):
seems like.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
The end is near. Is Stefan dick some we're rubbing
his hands together like that. No more storming out upset
for me, Wait till they get a load of me.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
So you have an opportunity to see something we haven't
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We'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
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Speaker 2 (35:03):
So you sometimes you can't get to everything in the
world of sports or entertainment. Good thing, the guys are
here to bring you in case.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
You missed it, and for that we turn it over
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Speaker 11 (35:19):
Good morning everybody, Morning, Jonas, Morning, Brady, Morning LaVar. Guys,
in case you missed it. We have talked a lot
about setting all time lows for the Iowa team, uh
this season. Yes, I will Sam, that is correct.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
We have talked a lot about.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Setting all time lows.
Speaker 9 (35:37):
Now we're talking about setting.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
All time highs.
Speaker 11 (35:39):
Iowa wunner Tory Taylor, Hey Brady, Iowa putter. Iowa putter
Tory Taylor has an opportunity to break an eighty five
year old college football record this postseason. He's only twenty
twenty yards short from setting the single season mark for
total punt yards yardage, so facing Tennessee and the Citrus Bowl,
all he needs one punts.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
They're gonna be punning all right. Hey.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
By the way, is he a Sam? Has he ever
faked a punt? I don't think so.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
I'll bet they Why would you just take away from
the beauty of watching Tory Taylor punt?
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Great? QUI to throw a spiral? I want to say,
spiral that.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Punt before or after the fifth round he gets drafted.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
It will be if you put it at four and
a half. I'd say the over, because you just don't
usually draft punters that high.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
If you're gonna draft a sure thing, though, he'd be it.
You know what you ah, Torri, you know, don't you
know what you drill?
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yes, they will punt at least once in this game.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I'm sure we're all sure. There's no doubt he's gonna
break the record.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
By the way, did they do his final home game?
Did they do the entrance like they did with Joe
Burrow back in the day at LSU where they followed.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Him from they try to do something similar?
Speaker 1 (37:10):
So great, sir, it's so great.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Sam.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
You got to get a tailor jersey? Want you to
get one of his jerseys.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
On that?
Speaker 2 (37:25):
All right? Y?
Speaker 1 (37:26):
What else we got guys?
Speaker 11 (37:27):
We've talked a lot about the committee's controversial decision for
the college football playoff rankings, but maybe they got things
right because ticket prices are soaring. Supposedly, the Rose Bowl
average ticket prices four hundred and fifty six dollars, while
the Sugar Bowl between the long Horns and Huskies is
even higher at seven hundred and eighty five dollars. Just
to put that in perspective, for one family, to look
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at prices for rooms, tickets, and airfare for a family
of four, that would cost about ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
Yeah, let's talk about this though, which I find a
little bit more interesting. So there was some people out
there he thought Florida State might try to boycott even
playing in the Orange Bowl against Georgia.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
I feel like that'd be such kind of a whimpy
way of going out. Yeah, I understands kicked in.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Well that that's that's the problem is unless you play
the game, that narrative is gonna it's gonna be out
there for everyone, you know, so like you almost have
to go out and play the game and go try
to win that game. Otherwise everyone's gonna say that about you,
like you're gonna take what What's what Florida State people
feel like was a mistake by the committee, And you're
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only going to help verify that for them by saying like, yeah,
you don't want to go.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
You don't even want to try to go bet Georgia.
There's probably Georgia to There.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Should be a forty eight hour rule when it comes
to not getting into the college football playoff. After forty
eight hours, if you're still complaining about it, you're just
a cry baby.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
And Florida State is you need to call up Danny
Canell immediately.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Is he still is he still crying?
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Well, this is how he stays relevant. It's you. I mean,
I'm just saying, like, it's Jonas's point. You have to
move on from this.
Speaker 9 (39:04):
It's sober bang bang either decision.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
We can't change it. They're not changing They're not changing
it or not.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
And by the way, if you went out and beat Georgia.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
Like Georgia has the same problem too, Yeah, go out
and make a statement, go on and show over when
you should be it should have been the playoff.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Leave what else we got.
Speaker 11 (39:23):
Alvin Kamara is making amends to the sideline official who
broke his fibula and tore his ligaments by giving him
a signed ball and jersey.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Gosh that was gruesome man.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, still getting an elevator with him.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Search, two pros, and a cup of Joe. By the way,
a cup of Joe
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