October 9, 2024 • 38 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Woody Johnson unexpectedly fires Robert Saleh, continuing dysfunction in New York. Aaron Rodgers will still be labeled a coach killer. Plus, the Tropicana is demolished on “In Case You Missed It.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up on this Wednesday edition, Well Robert Salah riverside. We
will explain what exactly happened there in New York, try
and take our best guess, and also what does this
mean moving forward? Because it feels like the problem is
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still there and that problem may not be Aaron Rodgers.
We will discuss. We're also going to have a discussion
about quarterbacks in the NFL, two in particular that are
making their debuts this weekend. We could see Spencer Rattler
and we will see Drake May for the New England Patriots.
We're also going to hand out our midweek awards here,
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the good, the bad, and the ugly. The old p
Petris Papadakas is going to stop by. He's going to
tell you what the temperature is like for Dodger fans
in southern California, and we close up shop with Lee's
leftoversus all yours coming up next here, Two pros and
a cup of Joe on a Wednesday, Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Need to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
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it's it's all the weight mangled dug. I mean, who
gets that valid with this button?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Man?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I wonder who sits there outside? I mean, I know
of one, but I don't. I doubt he hits it.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
That all. That's Ben. Ben's too much of a professional,
do I.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
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this is ch I don't know the bro look at that.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Knocking that thing from time to time.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
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makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
That's baby.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I've never been.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
One to say, like you know what I mean, like
why would you break something that doesn't belong to you?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
But anyway, a digress, Come on, let's start the show man.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Well it is two pros and a cup of Joe.
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Speaker 4 (02:16):
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It's the way should be. I'll be honest with you.
I was just tell me really surprised at the news
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of Robert Salah yesterday, of course you were, but not
surprising the sense that he got fired. Surprising the sense
that it happened as quickly as it did. And then
you see the reporting coming out afterwards about well, you know,
he was planning on movie being on from Nathaniel Hackett,
or at least take it away play calling duties from him,
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and then he went into a meeting himself right after
that and found out that he was going to be
let go. Woody Johnson, the owner of the New York Jets,
actually spoke yesterday to the media and explained his.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Decision that this is one of the most talented teams
that has ever been assembled by the New York Jets.
I wanted to give this team the most opportunity to
win this season. I feel that we had to go
in a different direction, and that's why I did that today.
This change, the change that we made today that I made,
I believe will bring new energy and positivity that will
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lead to more wins starting now.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
Oh so, whoever, like you're rich, Jeff olbrick, olbrich A brick,
that's your your it's not your, it's not your.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
No, that's a that's a Hawaii rainbow Warrior, by the way,
pointed out, well, I better you better be chasing. He
better be chasing the end of that rainbow.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
He's looking for the pot of gold.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Let me tell you something.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
That man said, I made a decision that will start
leading to wins.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Now what day to day?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Today? You have at it. I'll follow you up on
this one.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I just again, I said it while Jonas was doing
his read. That dysfunction will supersede anything that anyone does.
I don't care who you put at coach. I don't
care who you put at quarterback. It's not going to work.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Now. This man sat here and said, we're going to
start winning.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Now.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Are they going to beat Buffalo on Monday?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Doubt it.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Do they have a chance to beat the Steelers? Sure,
they have a chance to beat the Stellers? But will
they beat them? Probably not? Okay, then they get a
nice little reprieve. Then wood he can say, you know what, well,
it was only two games. It was only two games
that we lost. We needed to give your time to
get his feet under him. And when I meant we're
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gonna win now, I meant when we played the Patriots. Oh, okay,
you got one against the Patriots, But then you have
the Houston Texans next. And oh, by the way, the
Cardinals just beat a pretty good San Francisco forty nine
or team. They're a pretty good team. Oh by the way,
the Colts aren't going to be a walk in the park.
They're not too bad either. They got a guy by
the name of Flacco that's in there just in case
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the dude Richson doesn't make it back. Pretty decent team.
Seattle Seahawks, same deal, pretty decent team.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You are not in a position.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
To actually assume or think that your coaching change is
going to lead to different results. Now you may get
that initial pop boom, like we got a new coach.
Now Aaron Rodgers is poised because he got his way
again or whatever it may be, and him and Nathaniel
Hackett get to do what they want to do and
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tell you're it, just stay out of the way and
run the defense. I don't know, well, I'm gonna tell
you right now, if anybody, including Woodie Johnson, if anybody
thinks that this team is going to magically turn it around.
(06:31):
You need to take a look in the mirror and
you need to identify what it is that has you
approaching life the way that you're approaching life, because it
doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
It doesn't.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
It is not a magical fix. Robert Slaw was the problem.
He's gotta go eh okay, okay, and in the season,
by the way, because here's the thing. If you had
a problem with Salah to the point of where you
would fire him after how many games?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Five games? What?
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Four games?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Five games?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Five games?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
If you had that much of an issue with him,
when Aaron Rodgers showed you that his strong hand was
strong and went to Egypt and didn't want to do
the training camp or the mini camp that should have
been when you let him go, let him go, then
give the coach who's going to coach an opportunity to
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actually be able to build on some momentum as to
what you're going to do.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I will say this, they do have the idea of
the understanding and the familiarity of Hackett and Rogers, But
what does that mean for the rest of your team?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Because your defense has.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Underperformed like literally grossly underperformed. They have not lived up
to expectations, and your offense has not lived up to expectations.
And Nathaniel Hackett, I think, I believe, is the one
that's been all into plays. So if you think something's
going to magically change, a shift is going to take place.
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Robert Sala was a cancer. He was he was the problem.
He was the one that brought this team down to
its knees. If you believe that, then God bless you
in good luck with your life.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Here you go.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
You can have it, Q, you can have it.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Well, I've kind of got just more questions than anything else.
I look at this and I wonder, you know, did
ultimately Woody Johnson make this decision? You know, you read
different reports, you read different questions about why now why
after a game over in London is because he was
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the former US ambassador and he's around all his buddies
over there and you have this disappointing loss. Mind you
somedly disappointing. I mean, Minnesota is one of the best
teams in the NFL. That being said, game didn't you
go how you wanted to?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You? You know, is that part of it?
Speaker 7 (09:03):
Is it because it's early enough, you still have a
chance to climb back into this.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
If you can create a spark.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
Then it felt like this team was devoid of any
sort of energy or spark, So maybe you get a
little bit of that bounce.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Did this have to do with Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 7 (09:19):
What was this one of those scenarios where he calls
up what he Jonathan says, you got to get rid
of this guy? Or is it the fact that Salah
didn't want to fire Nathaniel Hackett was staying loyal to him.
Instead wanted to push for Todd Downing to call plays,
which it sounds like Jeff Olbrick's.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Going to do that anyway, Maybe that's going to be
more the case.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
Whatever the case may be, I just wonder why they
feel like this is going to do anything other than
create dysfunction, create distractions, create issues for their organization. I mean,
I'll pose this question, when's the last time a team
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fired a coach and made the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Bisaccia? But I mean that was, you know, twenty twenty one,
and I can't think of a lot of other examples
after that, Like he took over for Gruden and they
went to the postseason.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
But which by the way fired because of something else
that kind of came.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Up, but it wasn't really in regards to.
Speaker 7 (10:28):
Like performance, right, and this this feels like it's more
performance based. But it doesn't feel like Robert Sala. Since
Aaron Rodgers has gotten there has been the head coach
that's totally in control, it feels like it's more about Rogers.
And obviously Rogers has Woody Johnson's ear. And remember this
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is a very very different structure with the Jets compared.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
To what the Packers used to be.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
You know, even if the Packers, you know, even if
you wanted to, you know, try to buddy up to someone,
there's a board. It's publicly owned. The packers make much
slower decisions. He understands when he went to the New
York Jets. As long as he has Woody Johnson's ear,
he can enact whatever change he wants.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
With a snap of the finger.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
He used the fans in green Bay that public. He
used that public in Green Bay the same exact way.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
And the interesting thing is, I don't know how Jets
fans feel about him.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I don't know if they Well, it doesn't matter, right
because he has the owner, so he doesn't fans.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
But the owner also has listened to the fans in
the past, which is why he's made you know, which
is why there's been dysfunction. Right, There's always been some
degrees dysfunction. I just look at it like, who could
be the ultimate culprit of their team struggling right now?
And I wonder what percentage is on Robert sala versus
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I don't know Joe Douglas. Joe Douglas has made it
through multiple regimes. Now, I mean, at some point, like
what's his role in all this? Just building the roster?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
That's it.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
Just it seems odd the timing. It seems odd that
it had to be Salah when it feels like it
should be Hacket. If anyone who's just not a good
play caller, not not he might be a good quarterback coach,
he might be good buddies with Aaron. He's not a
good he's not a good offensive mind.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
He's just not.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I had forgotten until I had read this yesterday that
he had never called plays in Green Bay, like so
this like when he came over here and started to
the Jets and started calling plays, he'd never done it before.
And so when you hear the report come out that
Sala wanted to either fire him or remove play calling
duties from and give him to Todd Downing. And then
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right after that gets clipped himself and I scored it
out of the building reportedly.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Can I just add to y'all's point, especially to to
Q's point, you know, the one, the one constant that
isn't up for debate that's been a part of all
of it is the owner.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Oh that's the name.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
That's the name that has because you know what we
conveniently do and we're so the media is good at it,
the fans are good at it. Everybody's good at it.
Everybody be raining down on Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones.
Jerry Jones. Jerry is the problem. Jerry is the problem.
Who else is the problem?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Jerry Jones, Maybe it's McCarthy. Maybe Jerry Jones has always
been the constant with the whatever you see take place
in Dallas. And you know what, Jerry Jones owned it
on the radio. He did it.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I own it.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Woody Johnson is the consistent and Woody Johnson is his
own problem.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
He's a disaster. That's the bottom line like that just
has to be stated. It takes a special kind of
dysfunction to chase off Belichick and Parcels. He did that,
like Woody Johnson was at the Helm when that stuff happened.
And you see all these years later that they're still
going through this myriad of coaches all the I.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Watched it happen, bro I watched, I was a part of.
I had more. I've said this story. We've been on
air long enough where here's a repeat story I've been on.
I was on an organization where I had more heay
coaches than I did years in the league. At one point,
what do you mean the Redskins time? They're now the
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Commanders now, but they were the Redskins back then. And
I had more head coaches than I did years in
the league. I had a for the years that I
was an All Pro and went to the Pro Bowls,
I had a different defensive coordinator every single season.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Are you a coach killer?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Someone who played for the Browns?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
All right? Here you go, Well, join on.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
If we want to share these war.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
It's like jobs comparing stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I got enough about head coaches, d C general managers.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
If you're a Cleveland Browns fan different general managers they've had.
I mean, and here's the thing for me is think
about it. I had three coaches in Denver in two years.
I get traded to Denver, Josh mc daniels gets fired,
Eric Studisville comes in the next year, John Fox is hired.
I mean, it's just I'm telling you, man, when when
you see dysfunction, and and here's the thing, here's what's
(15:29):
really interesting about this is New York comes to mind.
The Jacksonville Jaguars are another team that comes to mind,
even though they got to win this past week. You
know you you heard what hey John say, this is
the most talented roster we've ever assembled.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Who else said that? This offseason co shod con part
of the issue.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
I think what you're starting to see, or what's being
revealed is David Tepper talking to you. Every one of
these owners that medals, Jimmy has them talking to you,
every one of these owners that medals in this you
end up not being any good. You just do like,
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this is not where you made your money, This is
not what you're good at. What I don't understand talking
to you owners right now? What I don't understand is
you have made millions upon millions, maybe billions of dollars,
and you're smart enough to know what you don't know,
and what do you do. You hire someone to go
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get you those answers to figure it out. Yet when
it comes to professional sports, you then meddle in it,
You get involved, You act like all of a sudden
you're an expert because you're smart in some other capacity,
smart in some other realm.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
That is not football. That's not how it works. This
is not a boardroom somewhere in Manhattan.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
This is a different way world, as LaVar would say,
it's the Serengetti.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, And you don't know how to you don't even
know how to understand that.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
They've got to do a better job of hiring people
and stop meddling, stop being involved, Let the people work,
let the football people do their thing and let them
run it. And don't let a player over extend his power.
Let the head coach, let the general manager, let them
do their thing. I was at the Jets raft of
a year. Upon walking in there in one week, I
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could tell there was dysfunction there between the head coach
and the general manager. You can just tell there was
a lack of communication, didn't feel like they're on the
same page. It was that sort of kind of tense
feeling the way the team was and players were around
kind of everything. You just get that sense and a
feel when you go to different organizations and it's to me,
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it's a top down deal from the ownership and how
it impacts everyone else in the building. And for some reason,
these owners they keep thinking they have all the answer
and that's just not the case.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Man.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I feel and I don't want to, you know, make
it seem like I'm trying to fan boy up for
Robert Salah because he had his shortcomings the it's documented
on this show. We talked about the Zach Wilson handling,
like all that stuff but not great. I mean, there's
a lot of you know, moments there where you look
back the record everything that came along with it. But
I do feel like I kind of have some sympathy
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towards Robert Salah in the sense that it felt like
he was and we talked about this last week totally
dorm atted on his way out of the door where
he had to backtrack on comments about Rogers going to
Egypt and smoking weed with a Camel during the offseason,
he had to backtrack on the comments about the Cadence.
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He was on the sidelines trying to give him a hug,
and Rogers shoved him away, like just to see how
all that play out. Like he was totally powerless towards
the end, and I think he wanted them to be
so good and he was so desperate for it that
he was just willing to accept it and keep his
mouth shut because look, as long as if we win games,
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I'm gonna get to keep my job, now I know.
And now I just wonder who's going to be the
first because he probably can't go public or else. I
don't know if that's breach of contract and he's not
going to be able to get the rest of whatever
he's owed by the Jets. But who's going to be
the first to get the real story from Robert Solah?
Because he's gonna have some things to say. Jay Glazer
spoke with him, I guess, and Robert Sola was shocked
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at the decision. I just wonder that works. At what
point did you start to air peece?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
It doesn't is not going to be an airing out
because I think so, No, because that severance package is
going to be pretty strong.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I mean, he could anonymously go to a reporter, and
that's not how.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
That's not how.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
You can't say, damn, you're not going to hear anything
nothing defamatory of nature. You can't do it.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I'm telling you if you want all that cash.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I mean it's true because I mean you know who's
been collected. You know who's been collecting checks. You never
heard of amn thing from.
Speaker 8 (20:02):
Adam.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Adam Gaze probably has a lot of stories. Haven't heard
anything from him, just kind of sitting there.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Do you wonder what he's thinking right now?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I do wonder.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I have to reach out to Goose.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I just this wild man, just now that that Brady
does flex on us right now.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
He was my quarterback coach.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Reach out Goose, Goose, What a Goose? What's happening Goose? Yeah,
he's two be coach.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Baby. There's a list of people.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Are listening to the show laughing right now, like I'm good.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
What do you think?
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Joe Douglas is having pretty good Joe Douglas, cause she
keeps kind of fun.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Joe Douglas is like why.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
He's like he's trying bulky down there, in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I got this, I got this cheese barking for your hair.
You want to see you know the part on Boogie
Nights where Don Cheetle goes into the donut shop and
all of a sudd there's a robbery and everybody gets
killed except him. Like Joe Dunk's probably looking around going
what happened? He's got blood all over him and he's
just gonna walk out with a bag of cash, Like
I have no idea what's just happened here? But you know,
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good job Joe, whatever it is, you know what team doing?
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Do we not want to play any any sound from
Jeff Ulbrick's press conference?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Nothing?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, we have what do we want to go with
with Olbrick? There? Lee, you call it his relationship with Rogers,
his relationship with Rogers? Or you want team changes? Which
do you which do you prefer? All right, so we're
gonna go with This is Jeff Albrick being asked about
potential changes on the staff when it comes to the
team underperforming the last this season.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
Do you think there has to be radical changes or
do you think you guys have to do what you've
been doing, but do it better.
Speaker 9 (21:49):
I think everything's on the table right now. We're not
playing to our potential. We're not you know, we're too
talented to be putting the product we put out there
the last couple of weeks especially, so we got to
take a hard look at everything and be honest with ourselves.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
So there he is, well, respect this sounds like Aaron Rodgers.
They got to be held accountable except Aaron.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
But does he have a good relationship with Aaron Rodgers? Though?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, a coach, you tell me, you tell us coach.
Speaker 9 (22:17):
He's one of those guys that has you know, he's
just unbelievable experience and he's seen this game at the
highest level for a long time. So he's a guy
with a lot of ideas and really positive feedback about
a lot of different things, whether it be meetings, practice,
game planning, scheduling, all of it, you know, so he
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will be a vital resource for me in that way.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
For sure, they're screwed.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
They're screwed there.
Speaker 10 (22:47):
So Roder came up in there and took the boys hostage.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
I know we've got other subjects, but let's take a break.
Let's come back and continue the conversations, because I got
some more quot.
Speaker 10 (23:00):
Shot today, I got questions, I got conclusions as well.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
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Speaker 8 (23:16):
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Speaker 1 (23:30):
Man, oh man, Oh my gosh, what you know about
the cranberries brouh. Yeah, we talked about it last night.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Like, let's just make sure for the record that you
talked about this this button.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, do you have to let it leak like the.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
On came off? Like listen, I am not being hell
liable for this. Oh my gosh, you know what? Lee
already off the rail? Like, did you have that type
of nightly No? I just love this song.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
It's just happy to be alive.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
You know what, great point? You know what, I'm gonna
let you live in that. I'm gonna let you live
in that.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Like what is he talking about?
Speaker 4 (24:16):
We'll tell you later, the same old.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
What Hey LeVar. Tell about dysfunction and teams.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
I mean we've been talking about it the whole time.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Tell them about disfunction. Team.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Your talent cannot outperform the dysfunction.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Just know that.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I don't care how good you think you are or
how great you think you are or maybe are, it
will not outperform.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
Then this is the only time someone's ever gonna throw
you into the same category as Woody Johnson and Shad
Khan and David Tepper. But you're you're following the same
track record, all right of insanity, doing the a thing
over and over and over again, expecting a different result.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Or or or more alarming, maybe you're expecting the same result.
I mean, if you'd like the dysfunction, I mean some
people need.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
It, that crazy look in their eye.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Some people, I'm telling you, you know it's on air
right now, it's on air.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Just hey man, it was nice knowing you, though.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Mind gee check that door for Heatly go back back,
clear away from that as fast as you can. It
is to backdrop two pros and a cup of Joe
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New York Jets, and I want to throw this question
at you guys, because I was thinking about this as
well too. If Rogers doesn't want to have any visible
blood on his hands, they have to at least take
away play calling duties from Nathaniel Hackett, because if this
is true, and Robert Sala was going to do it,
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and then right after the meeting to announce that he
was taking away play calling duties and giving him to
Todd Downing, they fired Robert Sala.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
That damage is already done. I'm gonna let Q go
and then I'm gonna playoff a Q. I'm gonna let
you take this one. But I don't know that Jonas
was done well.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
I'm just.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Were you not done well? The last thought on it
would be And again, there's been so many different reports
on this. Jordan Schultz, who does a lot of work
for FS ONE, reported that Sala and Rogers' relationship was
actually in a really good place at the time of this.
Hafter For what it's worth.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
So I was gonna point into comments made by Chase Daniels.
Some guys call him Chaz, but Chase on I believe
it's called the Facility. He defined Aaron Rodgers as a
coach killer. That's just the name of the show. He
defined him as a coach killer, you know, dating back
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to his time with Mike McCarthy, dating back to I
guess now and how this has worked out. I'm not
sure what other evidence he provided to that, but I
just find it interesting that we're taking this hard stance
on what Aaron Rodgers is as a quarterback because he's
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been so open with us about everything outside of being
a quarterback. At times, we want players to show us
who they are, who they are off the field, not
just when they put.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
The helmet on.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
And in this instance, you have an example of a
player who who has talked about his overall health in
regards to his vaccination status or lack thereof, and thoughts
on that.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
He's given you.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
This insight into his journey as an individual and how
he's tried to discover himself and figure things out and
how he sees stuff and whether it's ayahuasca whatever, I
just I look at it and I go, isn't this
always what reporters are frustrated by when players give the
company line or that can to response or a bad
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interview and don't say anything.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
He's the exact opposite of that.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
He's he you know, the Pat McAfee show has benefited
mightily from his presence on there, and he'll be on
there today. But I sit there and I see all
these people now who criticize the guy because he's open
and he speaks his mind and he tells you who
he is. And yet then when things don't go right
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in football, it's like they just they hammer away and
they started defining what he is now because of all this.
You know, if he didn't share anything about his personal life,
do you think he would be his polarizing to people? No,
probably not. Like there's a sector of people who don't
follow football, but probably know that he said he was
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immunized instead of saying he was vaccinated. Like there's there's
people who like have no idea about Aaron Rodgers as
a football player. They just know that he didn't get vexxed, right, Like,
Like there's that sector of people who probably don't like
him for it. There's probably some people who are diehard
football fans. But just because he went and did some
mayahuasca or something or went to each opp that there.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Oh he's out. He's not my guy.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
That's the tough thing for me with all this is
you can't have it both ways, Like you can't beg
for wanting to have a player who's so open, who's
so honest to his forthcoming to what's on their mind.
But then when you get it, sit there and ridicule
them forgive it to you. And so that's where I
like the whole coach I'm like, well, all right, they've
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won a super Bowl, he's won multi MVPs, everything.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Else they've done. Is that really accurate?
Speaker 7 (30:08):
Do you just lob up something because it's gonna draw
headlines and people are gonna listen to it, Like do
you even.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Know the guy but you just want to call him
a coach killer.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
It sounds like it's a desperate plea for someone to
listen to him, And there's not really facts based behind it,
even though he said it's almost factually based, so I
can say this, well, it's really not, because they're a
discreamed between him and Mike McCarthy, Like, okay, I just
unless he knows something. Maybe he's got maybe maybe he's
played for the Jets, maybe he's got some ears there,
someone has and.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Someone's told him something.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
But that's the part of it that I find interesting
is that now everyone's got an opinion on it, just
because the guy's been open with everyone from the GIT.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I'll say this, if it was just limited to his
personal dealings and doings, I don't think people would take
such a heart stance or like a derogatory approach to
Aaron Rodgers. I do believe it's how it plays out,
especially when it played out when he took on an
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entire front office. He took the whole front office on
and some would say assassinated him, like destroyed them like that.
The front office of Green Bay did not win that
that battle rap between them and him.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
He came out and.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
He did what NAS did the jay Z he ethered
them and.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah, but it didn't make But no one got fired.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
No, there is a butt because that's still public perception.
It's not like he and I'm not debating whether he's
a coach killer or not. I'm debating the fact of
him being transparent. That's one thing. But when you're transparent,
and your transparency is you're taking on this establishment. Like
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some people are going to be okay with it, some
people aren't. Some people might not even care about Green
Bay and just might be like, dang, like this dude
is flexing on the front office. It's it's so it's
it's more about the perception. It's not about the end
result of them getting fired. It's not about that. It's
it's about how people are viewing him. If that, if
I'm reading your your what you're saying correctly, so in
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the end, to me, when I look at Aaron Rodgers,
why do people take hardline stances on because he does
things that I believe are abrasive. They can be abrasive,
It could be considered to be confrontational, and it's confrontational
with your with your your group, with with your franchise.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
You know.
Speaker 7 (32:44):
Maybe so I'm not going to disagree with that. What
I'll say is I think the difference is like he's
doing it and you didn't or O those other players
didn't like. The reality is as players, we've all felt
in a way how he's felt. The difference is it's
like I was never a four time MVP, so I
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ain't saying crap like, oh.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
I flexed, so I can't.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
You can't say I did it.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
I did flex, and in fact, not only did I flex,
I gave two million dollars back so I could become free.
Speaker 7 (33:17):
That's that's getting out of that's setting out a contractor
whatever I did.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (33:21):
It's it's very, very different with how he spindled everything
the way he's handled it.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Right, you didn't go to.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Egypt, No, I did not, and miss no, I did not,
nor would I because I'm doing my job, and then
that's part of it, and it's different.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
But like there's elements of.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
Like like you know, he's been honest like about like
what he's prioritized, what he's talked about.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
There's probably players that wish they could do that.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I'm sure that.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
But but let's let's build on that point, because that
was a point I was getting to when I said
what I said, when Jonas was saying what he was saying.
In terms of the damage, the damage is done to
Aaron Rodgers right now, and the most the key people
that it may be done to are those players in
the locker room that may be where the most damage
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is taking place. We don't know what the relationships between
the rest of those guys and some of the most
influential guys in that locker room, what that may have been.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
With Robert Salah.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
I've never gotten anything in the media where players were
like with the coach that left the Raiders. A lot
of players were like complaining about like how he was
as a person or you know, their interactions. I've never
heard anything bad about Robert Salah as a person or
as a coach.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Never heard it.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Now what his results have been, that's another conversation. But
I've never heard anybody have any ill will towards him
as it applies to the players. So then not now
makes me wonder what is the damage that's done if
the public perception of all of this, whether reality or
fake news, it's and and these players hits that the
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reason why our coach is not here anymore is because
of one player, and one player only because of one thing. Yeah,
and and that could be a damaging factor if you
ask me, as it applies to how this team moves forward.
Are they Are they not?
Speaker 2 (35:18):
But we're putting on rogers and we don't even know
if you had any I get it.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I get it. And by the way, if I get it,
if Rogers is a coach killer, I mean, Alan Wizard
was with the Packers and the Jets too when those
firings happened, So is he a coach killer too?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
It's like, come on, what do we want?
Speaker 7 (35:32):
I would say, he's actually extended the careers of a
lot of players. Yeah, and a lot of guys you've
benefited from playing with them.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
I'll be interested to see how the players respond to
to everything that's going on.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
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In case you missed this. About an hour and twenty
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minutes ago, we have entered a new era in Las Vegas,
as the Tropicana officially was imploded, leading new space for
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a one point five billion dollar baseball stadium for the
Oakland now Las Vegas Athletics. And in case you did
miss it, there was a cool little fireworks and drone
party that went out on a Bill see it.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
I mean it was really cool. What a great play Lee.
How many times you walk in there and just get crippled?
Speaker 11 (37:29):
I would have if there were if the bars weren't
closed when I was walking through it.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Yeah, plenty of times.
Speaker 11 (37:34):
I still have a lot of chips actually in my
back for the Tropicana.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Yeah, never get to use them. Yeah, they might be
worth something though, they.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
And what did they expect this stadium to be built?
When is that going to get done? Is there any
thought because feels like those things take a little while.
It was probably going to take longer than expected. Yeah, Hey,
good for the trap. He had a good on riverside, Brady,
would you have been caught dead being seen at the
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Tropicana when you would venture out to Vegas? Would that
be a spot you would ever entered?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
I can't say I've ever been there.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yeah, it's a great place, low.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
If it was by design or by choice or just
never hung out with anyone that wanted to go there.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
It was an older crowd for sure. You know that
you go in.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
There, wasn't wasn't on the top of my list, although
it was ahead of going to Top Golf.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
In Las Vegas. Oh, geez.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
I.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Remember when LeVar said he was going to be a
regular top golf. Yeah, that was my homie. That's it.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
He hasn't been bad since hanging trumpet.
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Kind of fruit
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Knocking that thing from time to time.
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I've never been.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
One to say, like you know what I mean, like
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I was just tell me really surprised at the news
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of Robert Salah yesterday, of course you were, but not
surprising the sense that he got fired. Surprising the sense
that it happened as quickly as it did. And then
you see the reporting coming out afterwards about well, you know,
he was planning on movie being on from Nathaniel Hackett,
or at least take it away play calling duties from him,
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and then he went into a meeting himself right after
that and found out that he was going to be
let go. Woody Johnson, the owner of the New York Jets,
actually spoke yesterday to the media and explained his.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Decision that this is one of the most talented teams
that has ever been assembled by the New York Jets.
I wanted to give this team the most opportunity to
win this season. I feel that we had to go
in a different direction, and that's why I did that today.
This change, the change that we made today that I made,
I believe will bring new energy and positivity that will
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lead to more wins starting now.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
Oh so, whoever, like you're rich, Jeff olbrick, olbrich A brick,
that's your your it's not your, it's not your.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
No, that's a that's a Hawaii rainbow Warrior, by the way,
pointed out, well, I better you better be chasing. He
better be chasing the end of that rainbow.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
He's looking for the pot of gold.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Let me tell you something.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
That man said, I made a decision that will start
leading to wins.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Now what day to day?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Today? You have at it. I'll follow you up on
this one.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I just again, I said it while Jonas was doing
his read. That dysfunction will supersede anything that anyone does.
I don't care who you put at coach. I don't
care who you put at quarterback. It's not going to work.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Now. This man sat here and said, we're going to
start winning.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Now.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Are they going to beat Buffalo on Monday?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Doubt it.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Do they have a chance to beat the Steelers? Sure,
they have a chance to beat the Stellers? But will
they beat them? Probably not? Okay, then they get a
nice little reprieve. Then wood he can say, you know what, well,
it was only two games. It was only two games
that we lost. We needed to give your time to
get his feet under him. And when I meant we're
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gonna win now, I meant when we played the Patriots. Oh, okay,
you got one against the Patriots, But then you have
the Houston Texans next. And oh, by the way, the
Cardinals just beat a pretty good San Francisco forty nine
or team. They're a pretty good team. Oh by the way,
the Colts aren't going to be a walk in the park.
They're not too bad either. They got a guy by
the name of Flacco that's in there just in case
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the dude Richson doesn't make it back. Pretty decent team.
Seattle Seahawks, same deal, pretty decent team.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You are not in a position.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
To actually assume or think that your coaching change is
going to lead to different results. Now you may get
that initial pop boom, like we got a new coach.
Now Aaron Rodgers is poised because he got his way
again or whatever it may be, and him and Nathaniel
Hackett get to do what they want to do and
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tell you're it, just stay out of the way and
run the defense. I don't know, well, I'm gonna tell
you right now, if anybody, including Woodie Johnson, if anybody
thinks that this team is going to magically turn it around.
(06:31):
You need to take a look in the mirror and
you need to identify what it is that has you
approaching life the way that you're approaching life, because it
doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
It doesn't.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
It is not a magical fix. Robert Slaw was the problem.
He's gotta go eh okay, okay, and in the season,
by the way, because here's the thing. If you had
a problem with Salah to the point of where you
would fire him after how many games?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Five games? What?
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Four games?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Five games?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Five games?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
If you had that much of an issue with him,
when Aaron Rodgers showed you that his strong hand was
strong and went to Egypt and didn't want to do
the training camp or the mini camp that should have
been when you let him go, let him go, then
give the coach who's going to coach an opportunity to
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actually be able to build on some momentum as to
what you're going to do.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I will say this, they do have the idea of
the understanding and the familiarity of Hackett and Rogers, But
what does that mean for the rest of your team?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Because your defense has.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Underperformed like literally grossly underperformed. They have not lived up
to expectations, and your offense has not lived up to expectations.
And Nathaniel Hackett, I think, I believe, is the one
that's been all into plays. So if you think something's
going to magically change, a shift is going to take place.
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Robert Sala was a cancer. He was he was the problem.
He was the one that brought this team down to
its knees. If you believe that, then God bless you
in good luck with your life.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Here you go.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
You can have it, Q, you can have it.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Well, I've kind of got just more questions than anything else.
I look at this and I wonder, you know, did
ultimately Woody Johnson make this decision? You know, you read
different reports, you read different questions about why now why
after a game over in London is because he was
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the former US ambassador and he's around all his buddies
over there and you have this disappointing loss. Mind you
somedly disappointing. I mean, Minnesota is one of the best
teams in the NFL. That being said, game didn't you
go how you wanted to?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You? You know, is that part of it?
Speaker 7 (09:03):
Is it because it's early enough, you still have a
chance to climb back into this.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
If you can create a spark.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
Then it felt like this team was devoid of any
sort of energy or spark, So maybe you get a
little bit of that bounce.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Did this have to do with Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 7 (09:19):
What was this one of those scenarios where he calls
up what he Jonathan says, you got to get rid
of this guy? Or is it the fact that Salah
didn't want to fire Nathaniel Hackett was staying loyal to him.
Instead wanted to push for Todd Downing to call plays,
which it sounds like Jeff Olbrick's.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Going to do that anyway, Maybe that's going to be
more the case.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
Whatever the case may be, I just wonder why they
feel like this is going to do anything other than
create dysfunction, create distractions, create issues for their organization. I mean,
I'll pose this question, when's the last time a team
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fired a coach and made the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Bisaccia? But I mean that was, you know, twenty twenty one,
and I can't think of a lot of other examples
after that, Like he took over for Gruden and they
went to the postseason.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
But which by the way fired because of something else
that kind of came.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Up, but it wasn't really in regards to.
Speaker 7 (10:28):
Like performance, right, and this this feels like it's more
performance based. But it doesn't feel like Robert Sala. Since
Aaron Rodgers has gotten there has been the head coach
that's totally in control, it feels like it's more about Rogers.
And obviously Rogers has Woody Johnson's ear. And remember this
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is a very very different structure with the Jets compared.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
To what the Packers used to be.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
You know, even if the Packers, you know, even if
you wanted to, you know, try to buddy up to someone,
there's a board. It's publicly owned. The packers make much
slower decisions. He understands when he went to the New
York Jets. As long as he has Woody Johnson's ear,
he can enact whatever change he wants.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
With a snap of the finger.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
He used the fans in green Bay that public. He
used that public in Green Bay the same exact way.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
And the interesting thing is, I don't know how Jets
fans feel about him.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I don't know if they Well, it doesn't matter, right
because he has the owner, so he doesn't fans.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
But the owner also has listened to the fans in
the past, which is why he's made you know, which
is why there's been dysfunction. Right, There's always been some
degrees dysfunction. I just look at it like, who could
be the ultimate culprit of their team struggling right now?
And I wonder what percentage is on Robert sala versus
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I don't know Joe Douglas. Joe Douglas has made it
through multiple regimes. Now, I mean, at some point, like
what's his role in all this? Just building the roster?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
That's it.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
Just it seems odd the timing. It seems odd that
it had to be Salah when it feels like it
should be Hacket. If anyone who's just not a good
play caller, not not he might be a good quarterback coach,
he might be good buddies with Aaron. He's not a
good he's not a good offensive mind.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
He's just not.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I had forgotten until I had read this yesterday that
he had never called plays in Green Bay, like so
this like when he came over here and started to
the Jets and started calling plays, he'd never done it before.
And so when you hear the report come out that
Sala wanted to either fire him or remove play calling
duties from and give him to Todd Downing. And then
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right after that gets clipped himself and I scored it
out of the building reportedly.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Can I just add to y'all's point, especially to to
Q's point, you know, the one, the one constant that
isn't up for debate that's been a part of all
of it is the owner.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Oh that's the name.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
That's the name that has because you know what we
conveniently do and we're so the media is good at it,
the fans are good at it. Everybody's good at it.
Everybody be raining down on Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones.
Jerry Jones. Jerry is the problem. Jerry is the problem.
Who else is the problem?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Jerry Jones, Maybe it's McCarthy. Maybe Jerry Jones has always
been the constant with the whatever you see take place
in Dallas. And you know what, Jerry Jones owned it
on the radio. He did it.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I own it.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Woody Johnson is the consistent and Woody Johnson is his
own problem.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
He's a disaster. That's the bottom line like that just
has to be stated. It takes a special kind of
dysfunction to chase off Belichick and Parcels. He did that,
like Woody Johnson was at the Helm when that stuff happened.
And you see all these years later that they're still
going through this myriad of coaches all the I.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Watched it happen, bro I watched, I was a part of.
I had more. I've said this story. We've been on
air long enough where here's a repeat story I've been on.
I was on an organization where I had more heay
coaches than I did years in the league. At one point,
what do you mean the Redskins time? They're now the
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Commanders now, but they were the Redskins back then. And
I had more head coaches than I did years in
the league. I had a for the years that I
was an All Pro and went to the Pro Bowls,
I had a different defensive coordinator every single season.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Are you a coach killer?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Someone who played for the Browns?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
All right? Here you go, Well, join on.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
If we want to share these war.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
It's like jobs comparing stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I got enough about head coaches, d C general managers.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
If you're a Cleveland Browns fan different general managers they've had.
I mean, and here's the thing for me is think
about it. I had three coaches in Denver in two years.
I get traded to Denver, Josh mc daniels gets fired,
Eric Studisville comes in the next year, John Fox is hired.
I mean, it's just I'm telling you, man, when when
you see dysfunction, and and here's the thing, here's what's
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really interesting about this is New York comes to mind.
The Jacksonville Jaguars are another team that comes to mind,
even though they got to win this past week. You
know you you heard what hey John say, this is
the most talented roster we've ever assembled.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Who else said that? This offseason co shod con part
of the issue.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
I think what you're starting to see, or what's being
revealed is David Tepper talking to you. Every one of
these owners that medals, Jimmy has them talking to you,
every one of these owners that medals in this you
end up not being any good. You just do like,
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this is not where you made your money, This is
not what you're good at. What I don't understand talking
to you owners right now? What I don't understand is
you have made millions upon millions, maybe billions of dollars,
and you're smart enough to know what you don't know,
and what do you do. You hire someone to go
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get you those answers to figure it out. Yet when
it comes to professional sports, you then meddle in it,
You get involved, You act like all of a sudden
you're an expert because you're smart in some other capacity,
smart in some other realm.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
That is not football. That's not how it works. This
is not a boardroom somewhere in Manhattan.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
This is a different way world, as LaVar would say,
it's the Serengetti.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, And you don't know how to you don't even
know how to understand that.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
They've got to do a better job of hiring people
and stop meddling, stop being involved, Let the people work,
let the football people do their thing and let them
run it. And don't let a player over extend his power.
Let the head coach, let the general manager, let them
do their thing. I was at the Jets raft of
a year. Upon walking in there in one week, I
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could tell there was dysfunction there between the head coach
and the general manager. You can just tell there was
a lack of communication, didn't feel like they're on the
same page. It was that sort of kind of tense
feeling the way the team was and players were around
kind of everything. You just get that sense and a
feel when you go to different organizations and it's to me,
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it's a top down deal from the ownership and how
it impacts everyone else in the building. And for some reason,
these owners they keep thinking they have all the answer
and that's just not the case.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Man.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I feel and I don't want to, you know, make
it seem like I'm trying to fan boy up for
Robert Salah because he had his shortcomings the it's documented
on this show. We talked about the Zach Wilson handling,
like all that stuff but not great. I mean, there's
a lot of you know, moments there where you look
back the record everything that came along with it. But
I do feel like I kind of have some sympathy
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towards Robert Salah in the sense that it felt like
he was and we talked about this last week totally
dorm atted on his way out of the door where
he had to backtrack on comments about Rogers going to
Egypt and smoking weed with a Camel during the offseason,
he had to backtrack on the comments about the Cadence.
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He was on the sidelines trying to give him a hug,
and Rogers shoved him away, like just to see how
all that play out. Like he was totally powerless towards
the end, and I think he wanted them to be
so good and he was so desperate for it that
he was just willing to accept it and keep his
mouth shut because look, as long as if we win games,
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I'm gonna get to keep my job, now I know.
And now I just wonder who's going to be the
first because he probably can't go public or else. I
don't know if that's breach of contract and he's not
going to be able to get the rest of whatever
he's owed by the Jets. But who's going to be
the first to get the real story from Robert Solah?
Because he's gonna have some things to say. Jay Glazer
spoke with him, I guess, and Robert Sola was shocked
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at the decision. I just wonder that works. At what
point did you start to air peece?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
It doesn't is not going to be an airing out
because I think so, No, because that severance package is
going to be pretty strong.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I mean, he could anonymously go to a reporter, and
that's not how.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
That's not how.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
You can't say, damn, you're not going to hear anything
nothing defamatory of nature. You can't do it.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I'm telling you if you want all that cash.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I mean it's true because I mean you know who's
been collected. You know who's been collecting checks. You never
heard of amn thing from.
Speaker 8 (20:02):
Adam.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Adam Gaze probably has a lot of stories. Haven't heard
anything from him, just kind of sitting there.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Do you wonder what he's thinking right now?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I do wonder.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I have to reach out to Goose.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I just this wild man, just now that that Brady
does flex on us right now.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
He was my quarterback coach.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Reach out Goose, Goose, What a Goose? What's happening Goose? Yeah,
he's two be coach.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Baby. There's a list of people.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Are listening to the show laughing right now, like I'm good.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
What do you think?
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Joe Douglas is having pretty good Joe Douglas, cause she
keeps kind of fun.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Joe Douglas is like why.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
He's like he's trying bulky down there, in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I got this, I got this cheese barking for your hair.
You want to see you know the part on Boogie
Nights where Don Cheetle goes into the donut shop and
all of a sudd there's a robbery and everybody gets
killed except him. Like Joe Dunk's probably looking around going
what happened? He's got blood all over him and he's
just gonna walk out with a bag of cash, Like
I have no idea what's just happened here? But you know,
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good job Joe, whatever it is, you know what team doing?
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Do we not want to play any any sound from
Jeff Ulbrick's press conference?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Nothing?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, we have what do we want to go with
with Olbrick? There? Lee, you call it his relationship with Rogers,
his relationship with Rogers? Or you want team changes? Which
do you which do you prefer? All right, so we're
gonna go with This is Jeff Albrick being asked about
potential changes on the staff when it comes to the
team underperforming the last this season.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
Do you think there has to be radical changes or
do you think you guys have to do what you've
been doing, but do it better.
Speaker 9 (21:49):
I think everything's on the table right now. We're not
playing to our potential. We're not you know, we're too
talented to be putting the product we put out there
the last couple of weeks especially, so we got to
take a hard look at everything and be honest with ourselves.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
So there he is, well, respect this sounds like Aaron Rodgers.
They got to be held accountable except Aaron.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
But does he have a good relationship with Aaron Rodgers? Though?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, a coach, you tell me, you tell us coach.
Speaker 9 (22:17):
He's one of those guys that has you know, he's
just unbelievable experience and he's seen this game at the
highest level for a long time. So he's a guy
with a lot of ideas and really positive feedback about
a lot of different things, whether it be meetings, practice,
game planning, scheduling, all of it, you know, so he
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will be a vital resource for me in that way.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
For sure, they're screwed.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
They're screwed there.
Speaker 10 (22:47):
So Roder came up in there and took the boys hostage.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
I know we've got other subjects, but let's take a break.
Let's come back and continue the conversations, because I got
some more quot.
Speaker 10 (23:00):
Shot today, I got questions, I got conclusions as well.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
It is Two Pros and I got Joe here on
Fox Sports Radio. So yes's coming up next? More on
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Speaker 8 (23:16):
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Speaker 1 (23:30):
Man, oh man, Oh my gosh, what you know about
the cranberries brouh. Yeah, we talked about it last night.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Like, let's just make sure for the record that you
talked about this this button.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, do you have to let it leak like the.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
On came off? Like listen, I am not being hell
liable for this. Oh my gosh, you know what? Lee
already off the rail? Like, did you have that type
of nightly No? I just love this song.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
It's just happy to be alive.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
You know what, great point? You know what, I'm gonna
let you live in that. I'm gonna let you live
in that.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Like what is he talking about?
Speaker 4 (24:16):
We'll tell you later, the same old.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
What Hey LeVar. Tell about dysfunction and teams.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
I mean we've been talking about it the whole time.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Tell them about disfunction. Team.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Your talent cannot outperform the dysfunction.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Just know that.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I don't care how good you think you are or
how great you think you are or maybe are, it
will not outperform.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
Then this is the only time someone's ever gonna throw
you into the same category as Woody Johnson and Shad
Khan and David Tepper. But you're you're following the same
track record, all right of insanity, doing the a thing
over and over and over again, expecting a different result.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Or or or more alarming, maybe you're expecting the same result.
I mean, if you'd like the dysfunction, I mean some
people need.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
It, that crazy look in their eye.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Some people, I'm telling you, you know it's on air
right now, it's on air.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Just hey man, it was nice knowing you, though.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Mind gee check that door for Heatly go back back,
clear away from that as fast as you can. It
is to backdrop two pros and a cup of Joe
Fox Sports Radio, by the way, fifteen minutes from now,
end of an era. And uh not only the well
I guess World of Sports and Entertainment, We'll talk about
that here for you again. Fifteen minutes from now here
on FSR. So, we were continuing the discussion with the
(25:57):
New York Jets, and I want to throw this question
at you guys, because I was thinking about this as
well too. If Rogers doesn't want to have any visible
blood on his hands, they have to at least take
away play calling duties from Nathaniel Hackett, because if this
is true, and Robert Sala was going to do it,
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and then right after the meeting to announce that he
was taking away play calling duties and giving him to
Todd Downing, they fired Robert Sala.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
That damage is already done. I'm gonna let Q go
and then I'm gonna playoff a Q. I'm gonna let
you take this one. But I don't know that Jonas
was done well.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
I'm just.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Were you not done well? The last thought on it
would be And again, there's been so many different reports
on this. Jordan Schultz, who does a lot of work
for FS ONE, reported that Sala and Rogers' relationship was
actually in a really good place at the time of this.
Hafter For what it's worth.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
So I was gonna point into comments made by Chase Daniels.
Some guys call him Chaz, but Chase on I believe
it's called the Facility. He defined Aaron Rodgers as a
coach killer. That's just the name of the show. He
defined him as a coach killer, you know, dating back
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to his time with Mike McCarthy, dating back to I
guess now and how this has worked out. I'm not
sure what other evidence he provided to that, but I
just find it interesting that we're taking this hard stance
on what Aaron Rodgers is as a quarterback because he's
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been so open with us about everything outside of being
a quarterback. At times, we want players to show us
who they are, who they are off the field, not
just when they put.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
The helmet on.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
And in this instance, you have an example of a
player who who has talked about his overall health in
regards to his vaccination status or lack thereof, and thoughts
on that.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
He's given you.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
This insight into his journey as an individual and how
he's tried to discover himself and figure things out and
how he sees stuff and whether it's ayahuasca whatever, I
just I look at it and I go, isn't this
always what reporters are frustrated by when players give the
company line or that can to response or a bad
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interview and don't say anything.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
He's the exact opposite of that.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
He's he you know, the Pat McAfee show has benefited
mightily from his presence on there, and he'll be on
there today. But I sit there and I see all
these people now who criticize the guy because he's open
and he speaks his mind and he tells you who
he is. And yet then when things don't go right
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in football, it's like they just they hammer away and
they started defining what he is now because of all this.
You know, if he didn't share anything about his personal life,
do you think he would be his polarizing to people? No,
probably not. Like there's a sector of people who don't
follow football, but probably know that he said he was
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immunized instead of saying he was vaccinated. Like there's there's
people who like have no idea about Aaron Rodgers as
a football player. They just know that he didn't get vexxed, right, Like,
Like there's that sector of people who probably don't like
him for it. There's probably some people who are diehard
football fans. But just because he went and did some
mayahuasca or something or went to each opp that there.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Oh he's out. He's not my guy.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
That's the tough thing for me with all this is
you can't have it both ways, Like you can't beg
for wanting to have a player who's so open, who's
so honest to his forthcoming to what's on their mind.
But then when you get it, sit there and ridicule
them forgive it to you. And so that's where I
like the whole coach I'm like, well, all right, they've
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won a super Bowl, he's won multi MVPs, everything.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Else they've done. Is that really accurate?
Speaker 7 (30:08):
Do you just lob up something because it's gonna draw
headlines and people are gonna listen to it, Like do
you even.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Know the guy but you just want to call him
a coach killer.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
It sounds like it's a desperate plea for someone to
listen to him, And there's not really facts based behind it,
even though he said it's almost factually based, so I
can say this, well, it's really not, because they're a
discreamed between him and Mike McCarthy, Like, okay, I just
unless he knows something. Maybe he's got maybe maybe he's
played for the Jets, maybe he's got some ears there,
someone has and.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Someone's told him something.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
But that's the part of it that I find interesting
is that now everyone's got an opinion on it, just
because the guy's been open with everyone from the GIT.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I'll say this, if it was just limited to his
personal dealings and doings, I don't think people would take
such a heart stance or like a derogatory approach to
Aaron Rodgers. I do believe it's how it plays out,
especially when it played out when he took on an
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entire front office. He took the whole front office on
and some would say assassinated him, like destroyed them like that.
The front office of Green Bay did not win that
that battle rap between them and him.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
He came out and.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
He did what NAS did the jay Z he ethered
them and.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah, but it didn't make But no one got fired.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
No, there is a butt because that's still public perception.
It's not like he and I'm not debating whether he's
a coach killer or not. I'm debating the fact of
him being transparent. That's one thing. But when you're transparent,
and your transparency is you're taking on this establishment. Like
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some people are going to be okay with it, some
people aren't. Some people might not even care about Green
Bay and just might be like, dang, like this dude
is flexing on the front office. It's it's so it's
it's more about the perception. It's not about the end
result of them getting fired. It's not about that. It's
it's about how people are viewing him. If that, if
I'm reading your your what you're saying correctly, so in
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the end, to me, when I look at Aaron Rodgers,
why do people take hardline stances on because he does
things that I believe are abrasive. They can be abrasive,
It could be considered to be confrontational, and it's confrontational
with your with your your group, with with your franchise.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
You know.
Speaker 7 (32:44):
Maybe so I'm not going to disagree with that. What
I'll say is I think the difference is like he's
doing it and you didn't or O those other players
didn't like. The reality is as players, we've all felt
in a way how he's felt. The difference is it's
like I was never a four time MVP, so I
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ain't saying crap like, oh.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
I flexed, so I can't.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
You can't say I did it.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
I did flex, and in fact, not only did I flex,
I gave two million dollars back so I could become free.
Speaker 7 (33:17):
That's that's getting out of that's setting out a contractor
whatever I did.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (33:21):
It's it's very, very different with how he spindled everything
the way he's handled it.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Right, you didn't go to.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Egypt, No, I did not, and miss no, I did not,
nor would I because I'm doing my job, and then
that's part of it, and it's different.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
But like there's elements of.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
Like like you know, he's been honest like about like
what he's prioritized, what he's talked about.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
There's probably players that wish they could do that.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I'm sure that.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
But but let's let's build on that point, because that
was a point I was getting to when I said
what I said, when Jonas was saying what he was saying.
In terms of the damage, the damage is done to
Aaron Rodgers right now, and the most the key people
that it may be done to are those players in
the locker room that may be where the most damage
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is taking place. We don't know what the relationships between
the rest of those guys and some of the most
influential guys in that locker room, what that may have been.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
With Robert Salah.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
I've never gotten anything in the media where players were
like with the coach that left the Raiders. A lot
of players were like complaining about like how he was
as a person or you know, their interactions. I've never
heard anything bad about Robert Salah as a person or
as a coach.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Never heard it.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Now what his results have been, that's another conversation. But
I've never heard anybody have any ill will towards him
as it applies to the players. So then not now
makes me wonder what is the damage that's done if
the public perception of all of this, whether reality or
fake news, it's and and these players hits that the
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reason why our coach is not here anymore is because
of one player, and one player only because of one thing. Yeah,
and and that could be a damaging factor if you
ask me, as it applies to how this team moves forward.
Are they Are they not?
Speaker 2 (35:18):
But we're putting on rogers and we don't even know
if you had any I get it.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I get it. And by the way, if I get it,
if Rogers is a coach killer, I mean, Alan Wizard
was with the Packers and the Jets too when those
firings happened, So is he a coach killer too?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
It's like, come on, what do we want?
Speaker 7 (35:32):
I would say, he's actually extended the careers of a
lot of players. Yeah, and a lot of guys you've
benefited from playing with them.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
I'll be interested to see how the players respond to
to everything that's going on.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
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Speaker 3 (36:45):
Lap Good import it everybody.
Speaker 11 (36:48):
Good morning, Jonas, Good morning Brady, Good morning LeVar, Hey guys,
In case you missed this the lab, Hey LeVar, Hey guys,
In case you missed this. About an hour and twenty
minutes A good hey, Brady. About an hour and twenty
minutes ago, we have entered a new era in Las Vegas,
as the Tropicana officially was imploded, leading new space for
(37:09):
a one point five billion dollar baseball stadium for the
Oakland now Las Vegas Athletics. And in case you did
miss it, there was a cool little fireworks and drone
party that went out on a Bill see it.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
I mean it was really cool. What a great play Lee.
How many times you walk in there and just get crippled?
Speaker 11 (37:29):
I would have if there were if the bars weren't
closed when I was walking through it.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Yeah, plenty of times.
Speaker 11 (37:34):
I still have a lot of chips actually in my
back for the Tropicana.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Yeah, never get to use them. Yeah, they might be
worth something though, they.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
And what did they expect this stadium to be built?
When is that going to get done? Is there any
thought because feels like those things take a little while.
It was probably going to take longer than expected. Yeah, Hey,
good for the trap. He had a good on riverside, Brady,
would you have been caught dead being seen at the
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Tropicana when you would venture out to Vegas? Would that
be a spot you would ever entered?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
I can't say I've ever been there.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yeah, it's a great place, low.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
If it was by design or by choice or just
never hung out with anyone that wanted to go there.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
It was an older crowd for sure. You know that
you go in.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
There, wasn't wasn't on the top of my list, although
it was ahead of going to Top Golf.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
In Las Vegas. Oh, geez.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
I.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Remember when LeVar said he was going to be a
regular top golf. Yeah, that was my homie. That's it.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
He hasn't been bad since hanging trumpet.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Kind of fruit
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