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Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, ‘The Game’ steals the show this weekend despite sloppy play and Penn State secures a spot in the Big Ten Championship. Josh Allen secures the MVP over Saquon Barkley. Plus, Christmas movies and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up on a football recap Monday. We are going to
start in Columbus, Ohio and why because the game delivered,
the drama ensued and there are a lot of people
unhappy with the performance of their buck Guys.
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What could it mean moving forward? We will discuss.
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We're also going to have a discussion about Penn State
we are back in the Big Ten championship game against Oregon,
and some other moving and shaking in college football that
could impact the future.
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We'll get into that for you here.
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We're also going to discuss the Buffalo Bills and their
MVP candidate, Josh Allen. I'm gonna say it now, I
believe it's already over with, but there is an argument
for Lamar Saquon Barkley, etc. We're going to discuss Aaron Rodgers.
Is this the end for a rog We're gonna talk
about a Miami Hurricanes mascot who apparently got in trouble for,
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We're gonna get to an NFL stuff throughout the course
of the show, but I got to tell you, man,
college football this weekend in particular what happened in Columbus.
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No offense to anybody listening in Columbus right now, that
was wonderful television. Oh man, that was riveting. No offense,
I would be an offense? Was it wonderful?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Though?
Speaker 5 (02:21):
I mean, my perspective obviously is different because I was
down there in the field for it, and the second
half there's only three points scored. So the thought in
my head was, I wonder if this is really entertaining
for people to watch. I mean, LeVar, you're a defensive guy,
so maybe you're like, man, that's a good defense. There
are some moments where you're like, yeah, that's probably true,
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but then you're like, just bad offense. That being said, though,
what I thought was most entertaining or interesting being there.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
And I don't know, LeVar, if you can relate.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
To this or Jonas when you've been to, you know,
different games where you felt this. But the second half
it felt like even that home field crowd almost turned
And it was probably because that two minute drive before half,
when Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Kind of just went on bing bing bing bing bing touchdown.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
It was like, yeah, there, it is like just do that,
like just just throw to the best wide receiver corps
in college football, and.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Then there's a big mismatch.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
They're not gonna be able to stop you if you
want a two minute drive like that, right, you didn't
see it the rest of the second half. And that's
obviously one of the many questions I think Buckey's fans
have is why do you keep trying to run between
the tackles against a team that's got probably two first
round picks in Kenneth Grand Mason Graham head scratcher. How
do you only get Jeremiah Smith, who would probably be
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a top five pick in this year's draft, was seven targets.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
They had five catches.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
He also drew two defensive pass interferences, So tack on
another thirty yards for whatever that was?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Like, how do you not get hit more involved in
the game plan?
Speaker 5 (04:02):
And maybe it's because they lost trust in their quarterback,
you know, maybe had everything.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
To do with that.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
And if that's the case, I would argue, then for you,
you don't have the right guy in there in the
first place. And I said this way back in the spring,
the most talented quarterbacks in that Ohio State team are
guys who are freshmen. It's Julian Sand and Heir Nolan,
and none of those guys have got to sniff the field,
and now here we are with an Ohio State team
with now two losses, still playing the playoff. But I
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would imagine if either one of Air Nolan or Julian
San would have started this season for the buck Eys,
probably would still be at a minimum the same spot,
if not maybe a little bit better. And especially the
future looks a little bit brighter because you have a
younger guy who's gonna be doing it. But that's for
another time another day. I just felt like it felt
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like the crowd turned, And that's what I want to
get to, is like you could feel it. You could
feel the frustration. You could feel this, Oh no, here
it go, we go again for a fourth straight year.
I don't know if you guys felt that, well, I
was gonna ask you. I don't know if you could
feel that on television. You could feel it in the stadium,
and it was almost like Michigan just had to kind
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of keep doing what they've been doing the last four
years and they were gonna come away with a win.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Yeah. When I was watching it, I just I came
to the conclusion, I can relate to this because I
lost to Michigan every single year. I can't relate to
it on the level that that Ohio State you know
what they're dealing with, but somewhat And I was talking,
I was signing to a couple guys because I was
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in I was in state college while we were watching it.
And you know the idea that coaches get nervous or
they pucker up, and they don't want to make mistakes.
They don't want to have a mistake that cost the game.
They don't want to be in a situation where it
was like that was the play right there? Why did
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you call that? And I think teams coaches fall into
and in this game in particular, I think that that
Ohio State they fell into the trap of what Penn
State falls into when they play Michigan in Ohio State,
which is I think there there has now become an
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inferiority complex going into the Michigan game. If you're an
Ohio State player or an Ohio State coach more specifically,
if you're not going to be aggressive in the biggest
games of the year, what is it all about, like
let it all hang out? If you're going to make
a mistake. Make a mistake. If the kid's not going
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to be able to deliver it, let him show he's
not going to deliver it. Don't make don't try to
mitigate any type of mistakes that could take place. A turnover,
oh my gosh, a turnover. Whatever it is that you're thinking.
When you go into such a conservative approach to what
you're doing, don't do like fight against it. I see it.
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I see it every single year. The one thing that
I came away with when Penn State played Ohio State
is like, we did not push the ball downfield. It
was it was way too it was way too conservative
of an approach to what you're doing. And then it
ultimately allows for a team to basically find a comfort
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zone in how they want to play against you. And
that's what I saw take place. And the longer they
allowed Michigan to stay close and the closer that game was,
the further got into it. I was like, Man, Michigan's
going to win this game. Michigan is going to that.
They started running the ball pretty effectively, probably a little
bit more effectively than I've seen against Ohio State this season,
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and in Ohio State wasn't. They weren't stressing Michigan's defense out.
They just weren't. They allowed Michigan's defense to find a rhythm,
to find the comfort zone. And then and once that happened,
they found the confidence. And what took place. I think
it's more of a mental emotional game that we saw
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take place against those two teams versus a real matchup game.
Let it hang out. Why y'all nervous? You got, you
have the players, you have the coach, you got Chip
Kelly call in the place. What are y'all getting so
conservative for? It's just it's strange to me. And I
wonder because I asked this question. I was like, do
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when you have an offensive coordinator, does the head coach?
How much does the head coach dictate what plays are
being called? Because that could be that could be a
major part of it.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Yeah, I mean the interesting thing about the play calling,
and I guess my frustration with it. It is like the
sun zoo, you know, art of war for anyone who's
read it right, like fighting whether or not. And it's like,
why would you why do you keep trying to bang
out with your patched up offensive line versus again, two
first round picks a team that has been constructed to
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beat you, like they're constructed to be able to run
the football, stop to run, because that's what's one of
this rivalry. Yet you're like stubbornly pounding your head against
the ball, oh the wall, trying to do this. And
so it goes back to you know, well, Chip Kelly
was the mentor to Ryan Day, and they both probably
have similar thought. But at some point you have to say,
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we paid and brought in a transfer quarterback, and they
must have lost confidence, they must have lost faith in him.
I mean, I'll be honest too. The last two drives
I saw him in he looked nervous. It looked like
and here's the thing is like, at some point time
when I was probably a true freshman, like people probably
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looked at me and felt that way.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
You know, you get in those situations. And I was
thinking back.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
To Will Howard's days of Kansas State, and I couldn't
really think of like a memorable two minute drive or
something where he was able to bring them back. And
I thought, like, this is going to be really tough
for him in this moment if he doesn't have a
bunch of things to hang his hat on.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
I mean for people who don't know that, the history and.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
The road of Will Howard, you know, started early, got
the play probably before he was ready, but played well
enough where it might be gave him more of an opportunity.
And then it was a combination of guys coming in
who replaced him where he didn't get to play quite
as much. Adrian Martinez, for example, was.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
One of them.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
And you know, I think Will Howard's used how Adrian
came to Kansas State in regards to how he approached
going to Ohio State. But one of the reasons why
he left Kansas State was because they went to play
Avery Johnson, the quarterback who's there now, that was who
was going to be the starter for Kansas State this season,
even if Will Howard came back. So think about that.
I also think that when you think about kids who
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and you're young men who go to some of these
other schools, when you're playing at Kansas State, it doesn't
feel the same when you're playing for Ohio State. I
knew it might be staying in the obvious for some,
but I want to drive home this point because I
do see instances where we see quarterbacks on these bigger
state ages and they don't know how to handle they
don't know how to approach it, and they do look
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nervous and they don't play as well in those big
moments and poar that's because they when they chose to
go to Kansas State, you know, the magnitude of some
of the games are playing, We're never going to be
as big unless they found their way somewhere else. And
once you go to those other places, it's an entirely
different feel. It's entirely different challenge for you as a quarterback.
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I think that plays a role too, for a lot
of these guys who you know, didn't necessarily pick to
go there. They haven't played big games like this before,
a rivalry like this. I mean no disrespect to Kansas.
Kansas State not as big.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Of a rivaly.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
It just it's not even close. So I think that
plays a role too, where once you get into it,
then it's like, oh, oh s yeah, this is a
lot bigger than I've ever felt before my life, And
in those moments, it's like you can't become overwhelmed by it.
But I think I was most What disappoints me the
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most about the outcome of the game, not because like
I kind of, you know, predicted Ahio State to win.
It's more of the fact that because I thought Michigan
was gonna score about ten or thirteen points, that's what
I thought. I just thought of how State would go
to score more. And to me, it's wasted talent. You
have all this talent. You have all these guys like
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Jack Sawyer and j. T. Tuimo Law and Denzel Burke
and all these players who could have went to the
draft who came back for it. And if I'm a
defensive player, I'm frustrated. And that's why I think. You
saw Jack Sawyer with the flag after the game, so
they're not planning it and everything else. And you know,
he did everything he could when he was on the field,
but the reality is you had sixty minutes on the
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field to do your part and once that's over, man
like it's it's tough to hear this, but it's their moment.
Now you should have had that fight. Don't let him
plant that flag.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
You should have had enough flight, enough fight in you
and listen, it's probably going to get outlawed, it's going
to get banned from from college sports. Like you're not
going to be there's going to be something that's done
moving forward.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Did anybody successfully get it in the ground or it's
not about success, You're never going to.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
No, it's not. Actually it's not. It's not dumb. But
you've planted your flag in their field. It's the it's
the action of it. It's not it's not the literal
sense of it, Jonas, it's the act.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
We decided need to see it in the turf standing
up that we're playing golf.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Otherwise it doesn't count. All right, I'll leave that one alone.
That's that's crazy to me. It's the act of we
took we we walked in your trap, and we took
over your trap. We came into your house with with
some used up ankle tape, a jockstrap on, some some
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some wrist tape. Didn't wipe off our eye black, no towel,
no nothing, just your midnight package out and we're going
to your refrigerator. We're going to get some food. Oh,
there's some kool aid right there. We're gonna drink that
kool aid. What is that right there? That's what's that?
I don't know what it is, but we're going to
eat that up. Where's Oh, there's the microwave right there.
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Oh yeah, there's Yeah, you want to heat up the stove.
Let's heat up the stove. It looks like there's some
some good leftovers, and there were checked check the freezer.
They walked into your house. They walked into your house
and did what they wanted to do. That's the idea
of it, if you're looking at it from from like,
you know, football is generally connected to military. It's connected
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to to how that that works, game planning, coming in, deploying,
doing what you need to do, executing game plan missions,
those different things. And when Michigan won, Michigan basically said
we've the horse shoe and now we're putting our flag
in the ground. This is Michigan's place. Now this is
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ann arbor. Uh Ohio.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I'm telling you man, that was if you just went
drive chart in the second half, I mean, it's terrible.
It's you know, punt interception, interception, miss fieldgal Inn like
you just like looked at that and you said, oh,
this is an ugly guess.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Not good.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
The part, the part I enjoyed about it was that
as the game went on, a story was being told,
and the story was, Oh God, Michigan is okay with
what the situation is. They're okay with the circumstances and
the pressure. And Ohio States now you could feel it
watching television that that place starting to tighten up, like
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you could feel the crowd, you could feel the energy.
It was just beautifully done by Michigan to go into
that place and to take that from them, because look,
let's be honest here, they were over a three touchdown favorite.
Ohio State was going into the game. People looked at
this as a coronation. Oh you know, we're gonna get
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our opportunity, like Michigan's going.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
To get their come up ins their.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Ohio State gets their rematch against Oregon.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
And then to Brady's point, this is the part when
I thought, oh, something's going on here. When Ohio State
goes down before halftime and scores, I think the feeling.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Was like easily right, like quickly, all right, like this
this is this big biness. This is going to go quickly.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
And they get the ball to start the second half,
they're driving and then they punt it when they came
away with no points to start the second half, I thought,
oh no, man, like that fan base is probably thinking
of themselves. Wait a second, it should be so much
easier than this, what's going on? And then it felt
like the panic started to set in.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
It was brilliant.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Well, like you say, because they changed the play calling,
they changed they should have tempoed Michigan right on back
to Michigan.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Dude, spread them out and not and maybe make sense
some tempo, but spread the mount and throw the foot.
Well fifty times people.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Are like, that's for that.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Well, well, he's known for a lot of, you know,
different types of scheme. I think that's the impression of
Chip Kelly. But if you go through his years even
had Oregon and Philly and all that, like, he runs
the ball too, I mean, and even during his time
UCL most recently, that means almost stubbornly.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
And so.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
I think here's here's what Michigan's defensive style was. If
you go back to the first half and you look
at the scoring drives for Ohio State or even or
I should say it attempts to because obviously the field
goal kicking was was atrocious. Nine plays at a field goal,
ten plays miss field goal, nine plays touchdown.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Like that's that's what it was.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
So Michigan very clearly wasn't playing necessarily bend but it'll break.
But they oftentimes double Jeremiah Smith, which Ohio State was
fine with, just letting him sit in the same spot
and be doubled, and they really didn't want to let
anyone to get by them, and if they did, they
just grabbed them and it was a defensive pi like
which what happened twice on Jeremiah Smith. And so they
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were very intent on making Ohio State earn it the long,
hard way, and they knew at some point they would falter.
They knew at some point there'd be a miskick, or
they'd throw an interception or be a turnover on downs
or be a punt like. That was essentially what the
game plan was, and they knew by doing that they
would lengthen the game and it would play to their
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advantage because it's less touches for those playmakers to get
even though Ohio State essentially took some of those playmakers
out of you know, out of the game in their
own way by not targeting them or get them the
football enough.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
So that was part of that.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
I think the crazy thing is Michigan scored ten points
in the first half, and this is what those plays
looked like. Those drives looked like six total plays five
yards and they got a touchdown and a field goal
out of that. Think about that for a second. How
frustrating you have to as a defense. Now, I'm not
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saying that Michigan didn't find their way in the second
half of running the football where they clearly outrushed Ohio State.
The debate of Ryan Day teams and if they're physical
enough and tough. I mean, the one thing that became
very apparent to me before the game on the field,
and I'd said this. I don't know if I've said
this on our show, but back in twenty twenty one
when Michigan and really Jim Horrible was having a hard
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time beating Ohio State, I was there in ann Arbor
and I remember watching that team come out of the
tunnel and looking at their demeanor and I'm like, this
is different. It's not like the weight of the world
is on them. And they look to me like they're
about ready to get in a fight and whoop someone's ass.
That's what it looked like. And for the last four
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years now, that is the same look their O line,
their d line has had the entire time they go
out and warm ups, they bang around a little bit,
and when you can pay to Ohio State, it doesn't
look anything close. Like I almost feel like like Michigan
has been like hardened over the last four years, where
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Ohio State in some ways has been running a program
that is elite and is this and it's that, but
it's like not gritty. It's not where they're like scrapping
and tough. I mean, I talked a couple of the
coaches that they were kind of coming out in the second half,
and I was just kind of like, what's.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
The sense of urgency?
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Like this game shouldn't even be close, shouldn't even be close,
Like you just beat the crap out of Indiana, who
struggled with Michigan but still beat Michigan. Like this game
shouldn't even be close. And there was just no sense
of urgency and there's no sense of having that same
physicality and toughness that Michigan has. That's really the difference
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Michigan's program. Their football program is just a tougher, more
physical program, and they're gonna make it ugly and they're
gonna fight you and at least versus Ohio State. They're
gonna find a way winning.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Yeah, that's great, man, it was great. It's great.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Great.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Good. Question The question becomes, what do you do now
if you're a Higo of state.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
With Ryan Day? It's good.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Well, like he has been, He's sixty six and ten
in six seasons. He coming into it, no one had
won more games in the last fifty years, in their
first seventy five games than Chris Peterson and Ryan Day
and college football, like, think about that the last five decades.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
And unfortunately, of.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
His ten losses, forty percent or four of those have
come to Michigan, the team up north.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
That's crazy, man, It's it's nuts.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
And if and if you look at like a lot
of his losses, this is this is the most painful
because it's the largest upset in the Ohio State Michigan rivalry.
And on top of that, it's it's one in which,
like it wasn't one of those top five matchups which
we've seen in years past, and so it's a little
harder to swallow. Like LeVar and you said, like, well,
I relate, you know with you know, being a Penn
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State and Michigan. I beat him. I can relate to
a degree when I was playing USC.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Here's the difference.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
You WUSC maybe lost a total of what four games
the entire four years I was at Notre Dame. Like,
that's how good that program was. They actually were going
for a three peep for my freshman year to my
junior year. And so we can talk about that Roger
and that debate and.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Everyone's like, oh, it's a big win.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
I'm like, well, it was a scary win because outside
of two pick six is that's an even ball game,
Like if we really want to be real about it.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
But it's tough, man.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
It's tough to have to come back and then you
leave and you don't end up beating that team. But
even more disappointing this year because I think this Ohio
State team feels like they're one of the most talented teams,
and they are, and I thought their coaching staff did
not do them at least offensively. Defensively. You can't blame
Jim Knowles and what they did. I thought they did.
He did it tremendous job. It was more about offensively
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letting down that side of the ball.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Mhmm.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, Well, listen, congratulations to.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Uh we are. Yeah, yeah, we get we get a
shot shift. Hey, and that's not Ohio State or Michigan,
So don't be shocked if we beat the hell out
of them, don't be shocked. I'm just telling y'all, it's
not Ohio State and it's not Michigan. We don't have
we don't have mental blocks against anybody else. You know.
There you go. I'm just being honest. I was so happy.
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I'm like, all right, we ain't got to play Ohio
State or Michigan and the Big Ten champions. What's that?
Are you gonna go to Indianapolis for? I don't know,
what do you mean? It was too cold? This game
was too cold. I don't want Yeah, but there's always that.
I gotta walk to the place. No, you can walk
under yeah, you can walk under ground. No, let's see.
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The last time I went, I was outside and I
was walking and I don't know, I don't know. It
was so cold this weekend there I didn't Yeah, man,
I know, I'm thinking about it having all the time.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
It's a beautiful venue and they do such a good job.
I'll say this about the Big Ten for that matchup,
it feels really really big it's awesome, like the Big
Ten does a tremendous job with the presentation of the
Big Ten championships. So if you're thinking about going, I
would go. I'm telling you will not regret it. Give
you some good stakes. I've gone.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
I just I don't you know, I don't know. Well,
if you win, it's been eight year, it's been a while.
I went to another one though. I went to I
went to another one not too long ago. I think
you should go in twenty two too. I went in
twenty two. I don't know. We'll see.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
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Speaker 4 (24:42):
I was really cold. I'm still cold right now.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
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Speaker 1 (24:47):
So we are gonna have the usuals we've got in
case you missa Coming up later on this hour, we're
gonna have an FSRI I R. It's been a long
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and we close up shop with Lee's leftovers. It's all
yours here on this three hour extravaganza. Come up next
here though there's a race in the NFL. What after yesterday, Well,
you know what up top after yesterday. That race is over.
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Speaker 4 (25:49):
Why does Christmas music stress y out so badly? Man?
It stresses you got to get all those gifts, man, bro.
Four chicks four that's tough. Sons are easy. Sons are
like a dad, like whatever. I prefer to call them women,
but well they're mine, so I call them chicks if
(26:10):
I want to, well, Kat Williams call them. I don't know,
that's probably not good. Jim.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I don't know, Jim.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, you guys know how we were talking about who's
going to win the m v P and people throwing
out Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Yep, yeah, we were talking about it.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
It's over, Josh Allen will be your m v P.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
He had his showtime performance last night. Uh, kind of
lateral from Amari Cooper scored a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
That that ended it. The lateral lateral for the touchdown
that was it.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, you need that moment, you need that stage, you
need the snow flurries.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
And if you have they the division last night about that,
it's over there.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
They're they're the top of the division.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
They'll host a home playoff game at a minimum right now.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
I mean, I'm not opposed to that. I'm not going
to say he he clinched it. I'm not going to
say it's over. I mean, Philly is on on a
run right now, and you know Saquon is being squan.
He did run for over one hundred he did have
a very timely touchdown now granted, and I mean, I'm
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sure we'll talk about that game. You know, they're they're
a phield goal kicker, which you would never think you'd
have to say that for Baltimore, but they were a
phield goal kicker away from winning that game.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Unbelievable, you're like, But nonetheless, the fact that you're going
to sit here and try and diminish what he's doing.
No to when one of your home away from home
is Shyenne, Wyoming.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
And I like, I like Josh Allen.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I like him, and you're going to try and take
this away from him.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I like him as well.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
I'm gonna take it away because I don't think he's
even close to Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Statistically speaking. Support what you're saying. Why are you just
giving it away to Josh Allen because they won last
night in prime time? Yes, in the snow. What's interesting
is is that moment, dude, Baltimore. Jackson's throwing for over
three thousand yards so far, he's dealing bro and.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
He's thrown nine more touchdown passes this year. He leads
the league, Like, what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, but if finished them drafts off, if Lamar Jackson
would get into better position on the field justin Tucker
wouldn't have to settle for those long field goals and
miss those. So because of that, by default, I'm gonna
go with Josh Allen.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Here, and there's a decent chance Lamar is gonna pass
for close to because what are they like five games left?
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Ah?
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Yeah, yeah, five games left. He's gonna throw for over
four thousand yards. He's gonna sniff a thousand rushing because
I think what's he now, like six hundred? So maybe
he gets like over like eight hundred. I mean, it's
it's just ridiculous, Like I don't know. Look, I realized
he won it last year. I realized he's won it
enough now where people might be saying, we can't give
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it to him again, Yeah you can when when he's
that they're a playoff team. They might not win the
division with the way Pittsburgh's playing right now, but you
can still give it to Lamar Jackson when he's deserving
of getting it. He's been phenomenal this year. It just
so happens that they've got some kicking issues.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
What's crazy is if they don't stop messing around, they're
gonna miss the playoffs with a pretty decent record. They
better stopped playing around.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
They've been too your mind.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
You know what's crazy The fact that Denver's playing the
way that they're playing is scary. It's scary because if
Denver keeps playing the way they're playing and the Chargers
keep playing the way they're playing, there's a there's a
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there's a chance, there's a chance that that Baltimore could
miss that because I think they're going to be a
wild card. I think the Steelers are going to I
think they're going to run away with it on in
the North. I think they're going to win it in
the North. So now you got to be one of those,
you know, one of those next level teams, And I
don't know that if they don't, if they don't tighten up,
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if they don't tighten up, man, they could find themselves
sitting at home to the playoffs. I mean I think so, yeah,
they'll be fine. I mean didn't. I mean, they're one
of the teams I said that can stand up to
the Chiefs. But I just think that they're they're too inconsistent.
And it doesn't matter where it comes from, whether it
be they were inconsistent on offense this day, or they
were inconsistent on defense this day, or if it was
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on special teams this day, there's always a reason why
the Baltimore Ravens kind of come up short. Now they
got a couple of signature wins. You know they beat Buffalo,
you know they they Who else did they?
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Which is one of the reasons why I think if
you're having an MVP debate and not that Josh Allen
and Lamar Jackson are playing one another, but that does
stick out in people's heads.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Sure, so, and he had a game. It's not he
had a game against them.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Just like if you want to know whether or not
my words carry weight here on this show.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Because DraftKings the odds for AP wants to go to listen,
listen when we started, when we started the segment, Josh
Allen was a minus one seventy five to win MVP.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
He's now minus two ten.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Bring up your race race being involved with the race
that is correctly up top.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
So Jonas, you're saying the NFL is racist if Lamar
Jackson doesn't win.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
It because he wanted to, he's already wanted to.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Believes there is reverse racism, you know, yes, by.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
The way, what oh gosh, what a reckless thing to
say that would only be acceptable on this show our
coast beliefs in reverse racism?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
You do you imagine that ain't happening anywhere else.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
So, in all seriousness though, Yeah, if we're having a
debate about it, there's three names, Lamar Josh Allen, and
I think in order to win it, I mean, don't
you I mean, could you really give it to Josh
Allen even though he could be statistically behind Lamar Jackson
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in every single category. I mean, I guess defensive player
of the year once and Miles year last year and TJ.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Wade had five sacks more. Yeah, I think it could
because I think that if you're looking at teams success,
I think that that could play a part in it,
possibly up top. Yep. I mean I'm not trying to
make the case because of that. I'm making the case
because I mean, if I'm looking at Josh Allen, this
was a team that you know, I made it very clear.
(32:38):
I thought they had hit their ceiling and I've said it.
I had no idea that they would turn out to
be this. This might be their best year. This might
be the year that they are the better team out
of any of the teams that Josh Allen has been on.
And maybe it's because of one thing or a nothing
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departure maybe it's an edition by subtraction. I don't really
know what it is, but I would say the balance
in which this team because because cook was he was
cooking yesterday, I would say the balance of this team
this year is very high. And I would say that
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Josh Allen is the catalyst of that. So, if I'm
not going to base it purely off of off of stats,
this probably would be the year that Josh Allen would
be the guy to win the award.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
I mean, would you guys feel if you had better
stats but you watch someone else win the award when.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
You feel a little bit like you're cheated from it?
Of course, of course.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
I mean it would be like the sales guy in
our group who was like second or third getting the
bonus a second, I was more productive this year, like
I sold more of this? Why is that guy getting
the extra?
Speaker 4 (34:04):
But I would also say it's not I would say
it's not always about the stats.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Well, when you let humans vote on an award and
it's not numbers based, this is how.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
This happened when people well, because everything isn't going to
be I don't statistically speaking, Yes, if somebody has the
best stats, you could argue that they're the best player.
That's why I think, but I don't think that that's
always the case. I don't think always the best player
has the best status.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
It's why when Todd Furman was arguing against Travis Hunter
it's like, hold on, dude, you got it, Like there's
more to than just the numbers like that, you know
the story being told there with Travis Hunters, he's the
best all around player in college football.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Well, the problem with Todd's debate was it's it's he's
making it the NFL MVP, which is not what the
Heisman is.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
And that's the problem with it. And if you go
back through like the NFL MVP.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
Winners since nineteen ninety, who are non quarterbacks, Like what
Thurman Thomas wonted Emmett Smith wanted, Barry Sanders wanted. That
was back All, Terrell Davis, I was back all in
the nineties. Like since two thousand, it's been Marshall Fulk
who was part of the greatest Shawe turf, Shawn Alexander
who had that record setting year where he had like
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twenty seven touchdowns, like over eighteen hundred yards whatever was
LT won it like the next year I think right
as we kind of went over top of that.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Then Adrian Peterson in twenty twelve. That's it.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
It's been, it'll be going on with thirteen years since
we've had a non quarterback win the MVP Award, and
obviously the game has changed dramatically since then.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
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Speaker 4 (36:05):
My kids walked out on this movie the other day.
Couldn't believe it. Really America is in trouble man, Oh
Christmas vacation. Yeah, America's in trouble. That's all I'm gonna say. Man,
these kids, they they're disconnected. I watched it a couple
of years ago, and it just a couple of years ago.
You're supposed to watch it every year.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Bro, I haven't watched it since.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
If you don't watch Christmas Story, yeah that one, yeah,
that one?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
And if you don't watch this one, National lampoons Christmas?
Uh not Christmas Vacation? What's the vacan Yeah? Was this
the one? Is that the vacation one? Because there's a
couple of vacation Oh are they Okay? Then I got
it right. If you don't watch those two, that's just
that's an American man. I just there's a problem there.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Must you start watching immediately after Thanksgiving Christmas movies.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
I don't want to listen to Christmas music, But I
do think that there is that that time frame. Yes,
you watch Christmas movies that a little bit. I really
believe that you shouldn't watch Christmas movies until like Christmas
Eve or Christmas Day. It seems to hit a little
differently like football and Christmas movies like okay, too many though?
(37:20):
How are you to watch them all? I don't see.
I just think that there's only a couple that you're
supposed to watch. Everything else. Everything else is like you know,
some people like Frosty the animated one, Some people like
you know, some people like Friday. You know, some people
actually think that Friday is a Christmas movie. Yeah, the
one with you know, I think where Ricky Smiley was stealing, uh,
(37:43):
stealing people's gifts and stuff like that Top Flight Security,
you know that that movie. Anyway, I'm just saying, so
which ones are your must watch?
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Then?
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Oh, I just told you. Christmas Story and National Lampoons
are only too. Like that's it. You should watch those
two and that should be respected.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
So not Frosty the original. We're not watching Elf. We're
not watching like.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Elf is good. Elf is good because it's good. It's funny.
So Elf is good, but it's not a must like
you have to watch it or there's a problem. Bad
Time is a good one, but it's not like you
not what that is not the point?
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Somebody and meds, Well.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
How did I know you were gonna talk about that?
Some of them are good, but they're not must seas
like we put on National Lampoons and they were gone.
You say Christmas Story or Christmas Story. Then there's the
one that the miracles miracle three First Street. No not
even the Grinch, like like no, not even the Grinch? No, wow, Nope,
(38:53):
I don't think they they're not. You have to sit
down and watch them. Wow, I just think it's Christmas
story and and national lampoons those I've been playing music
since Thanksgiving ended? Are you do you play the Temptations?
Speaker 5 (39:07):
I play everything, every single type of Christmas music album,
everything you.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Get, Well, that one, it might have been more cultural.
That's why I was asking Q. But qq's more like
on my side than he is on yours. Just so
you're clear, I'm just letting you know. And and the
Temptations Christmas Christmas album is like a classic. Yeah, that's
a classic.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
I'm just saying, well, we'll play that, probably because I
mix it up every day up until Christmas.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
That'll get played once a week for sure.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
By the way, fine, my wife bought tickets for This
is Friday Night right before the game to a a
cappella singing group called Straight No Chaser, which their talented,
a very good group would have gone any other time.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
But I told her.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
I was like, Dad, this is like our last you know,
team dinner of the year for the show and all stuff.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
I can't miss that.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
I'm like, and I'll be honest with you, like I'm
not even in the mood, Like I'm not gonna be
able to sit and relax before that game the next day.
I'm not even playing in it, but that was how
it felt.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
I'm like, I can't.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
I can't sit here and listen to a bunch of
dudes sing acapella before a game like this tomorrow, Like
my blood's already boiling to see what happens.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
So I just I can't go through this right now.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Is this gonna be the first snowy Christmas your daughters
have had and your kids?
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Is It's awesome?
Speaker 4 (40:24):
That's dope? Is it snowing? It has been kind of
off and on you. Okay, see bar, don't you miss No?
Speaker 2 (40:31):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (40:32):
No?
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Bro? I did not even go on the field. I'm sorry, guys,
like I wanted to come out there and see y'all,
but I went straight to the sweets. Got frad too,
frad mass callum Pineapple, go out of here.
Two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up on a football recap Monday. We are going to
start in Columbus, Ohio and why because the game delivered,
the drama ensued and there are a lot of people
unhappy with the performance of their buck Guys.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
What could it mean moving forward? We will discuss.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
We're also going to have a discussion about Penn State
we are back in the Big Ten championship game against Oregon,
and some other moving and shaking in college football that
could impact the future.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We'll get into that for you here.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We're also going to discuss the Buffalo Bills and their
MVP candidate, Josh Allen. I'm gonna say it now, I
believe it's already over with, but there is an argument
for Lamar Saquon Barkley, etc. We're going to discuss Aaron Rodgers.
Is this the end for a rog We're gonna talk
about a Miami Hurricanes mascot who apparently got in trouble for,
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We're gonna get to an NFL stuff throughout the course
of the show, but I got to tell you, man,
college football this weekend in particular what happened in Columbus.
(02:11):
No offense to anybody listening in Columbus right now, that
was wonderful television. Oh man, that was riveting. No offense,
I would be an offense? Was it wonderful?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Though?
Speaker 5 (02:21):
I mean, my perspective obviously is different because I was
down there in the field for it, and the second
half there's only three points scored. So the thought in
my head was, I wonder if this is really entertaining
for people to watch. I mean, LeVar, you're a defensive guy,
so maybe you're like, man, that's a good defense. There
are some moments where you're like, yeah, that's probably true,
(02:43):
but then you're like, just bad offense. That being said, though,
what I thought was most entertaining or interesting being there.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
And I don't know, LeVar, if you can relate.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
To this or Jonas when you've been to, you know,
different games where you felt this. But the second half
it felt like even that home field crowd almost turned
And it was probably because that two minute drive before half,
when Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Kind of just went on bing bing bing bing bing touchdown.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
It was like, yeah, there, it is like just do that,
like just just throw to the best wide receiver corps
in college football, and.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Then there's a big mismatch.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
They're not gonna be able to stop you if you
want a two minute drive like that, right, you didn't
see it the rest of the second half. And that's
obviously one of the many questions I think Buckey's fans
have is why do you keep trying to run between
the tackles against a team that's got probably two first
round picks in Kenneth Grand Mason Graham head scratcher. How
do you only get Jeremiah Smith, who would probably be
(03:48):
a top five pick in this year's draft, was seven targets.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
They had five catches.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
He also drew two defensive pass interferences, So tack on
another thirty yards for whatever that was?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Like, how do you not get hit more involved in
the game plan?
Speaker 5 (04:02):
And maybe it's because they lost trust in their quarterback,
you know, maybe had everything.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
To do with that.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
And if that's the case, I would argue, then for you,
you don't have the right guy in there in the
first place. And I said this way back in the spring,
the most talented quarterbacks in that Ohio State team are
guys who are freshmen. It's Julian Sand and Heir Nolan,
and none of those guys have got to sniff the field,
and now here we are with an Ohio State team
with now two losses, still playing the playoff. But I
(04:31):
would imagine if either one of Air Nolan or Julian
San would have started this season for the buck Eys,
probably would still be at a minimum the same spot,
if not maybe a little bit better. And especially the
future looks a little bit brighter because you have a
younger guy who's gonna be doing it. But that's for
another time another day. I just felt like it felt
(04:51):
like the crowd turned, And that's what I want to
get to, is like you could feel it. You could
feel the frustration. You could feel this, Oh no, here
it go, we go again for a fourth straight year.
I don't know if you guys felt that, well, I
was gonna ask you. I don't know if you could
feel that on television. You could feel it in the stadium,
and it was almost like Michigan just had to kind
(05:12):
of keep doing what they've been doing the last four
years and they were gonna come away with a win.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Yeah. When I was watching it, I just I came
to the conclusion, I can relate to this because I
lost to Michigan every single year. I can't relate to
it on the level that that Ohio State you know
what they're dealing with, but somewhat And I was talking,
I was signing to a couple guys because I was
(05:38):
in I was in state college while we were watching it.
And you know the idea that coaches get nervous or
they pucker up, and they don't want to make mistakes.
They don't want to have a mistake that cost the game.
They don't want to be in a situation where it
was like that was the play right there? Why did
(05:59):
you call that? And I think teams coaches fall into
and in this game in particular, I think that that
Ohio State they fell into the trap of what Penn
State falls into when they play Michigan in Ohio State,
which is I think there there has now become an
(06:19):
inferiority complex going into the Michigan game. If you're an
Ohio State player or an Ohio State coach more specifically,
if you're not going to be aggressive in the biggest
games of the year, what is it all about, like
let it all hang out? If you're going to make
a mistake. Make a mistake. If the kid's not going
(06:42):
to be able to deliver it, let him show he's
not going to deliver it. Don't make don't try to
mitigate any type of mistakes that could take place. A turnover,
oh my gosh, a turnover. Whatever it is that you're thinking.
When you go into such a conservative approach to what
you're doing, don't do like fight against it. I see it.
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I see it every single year. The one thing that
I came away with when Penn State played Ohio State
is like, we did not push the ball downfield. It
was it was way too it was way too conservative
of an approach to what you're doing. And then it
ultimately allows for a team to basically find a comfort
(07:24):
zone in how they want to play against you. And
that's what I saw take place. And the longer they
allowed Michigan to stay close and the closer that game was,
the further got into it. I was like, Man, Michigan's
going to win this game. Michigan is going to that.
They started running the ball pretty effectively, probably a little
bit more effectively than I've seen against Ohio State this season,
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and in Ohio State wasn't. They weren't stressing Michigan's defense out.
They just weren't. They allowed Michigan's defense to find a rhythm,
to find the comfort zone. And then and once that happened,
they found the confidence. And what took place. I think
it's more of a mental emotional game that we saw
(08:07):
take place against those two teams versus a real matchup game.
Let it hang out. Why y'all nervous? You got, you
have the players, you have the coach, you got Chip
Kelly call in the place. What are y'all getting so
conservative for? It's just it's strange to me. And I
wonder because I asked this question. I was like, do
(08:30):
when you have an offensive coordinator, does the head coach?
How much does the head coach dictate what plays are
being called? Because that could be that could be a
major part of it.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Yeah, I mean the interesting thing about the play calling,
and I guess my frustration with it. It is like the
sun zoo, you know, art of war for anyone who's
read it right, like fighting whether or not. And it's like,
why would you why do you keep trying to bang
out with your patched up offensive line versus again, two
first round picks a team that has been constructed to
(09:01):
beat you, like they're constructed to be able to run
the football, stop to run, because that's what's one of
this rivalry. Yet you're like stubbornly pounding your head against
the ball, oh the wall, trying to do this. And
so it goes back to you know, well, Chip Kelly
was the mentor to Ryan Day, and they both probably
have similar thought. But at some point you have to say,
(09:23):
we paid and brought in a transfer quarterback, and they
must have lost confidence, they must have lost faith in him.
I mean, I'll be honest too. The last two drives
I saw him in he looked nervous. It looked like
and here's the thing is like, at some point time
when I was probably a true freshman, like people probably
(09:44):
looked at me and felt that way.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
You know, you get in those situations. And I was
thinking back.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
To Will Howard's days of Kansas State, and I couldn't
really think of like a memorable two minute drive or
something where he was able to bring them back. And
I thought, like, this is going to be really tough
for him in this moment if he doesn't have a
bunch of things to hang his hat on.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
I mean for people who don't know that, the history and.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
The road of Will Howard, you know, started early, got
the play probably before he was ready, but played well
enough where it might be gave him more of an opportunity.
And then it was a combination of guys coming in
who replaced him where he didn't get to play quite
as much. Adrian Martinez, for example, was.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
One of them.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
And you know, I think Will Howard's used how Adrian
came to Kansas State in regards to how he approached
going to Ohio State. But one of the reasons why
he left Kansas State was because they went to play
Avery Johnson, the quarterback who's there now, that was who
was going to be the starter for Kansas State this season,
even if Will Howard came back. So think about that.
I also think that when you think about kids who
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and you're young men who go to some of these
other schools, when you're playing at Kansas State, it doesn't
feel the same when you're playing for Ohio State. I
knew it might be staying in the obvious for some,
but I want to drive home this point because I
do see instances where we see quarterbacks on these bigger
state ages and they don't know how to handle they
don't know how to approach it, and they do look
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nervous and they don't play as well in those big
moments and poar that's because they when they chose to
go to Kansas State, you know, the magnitude of some
of the games are playing, We're never going to be
as big unless they found their way somewhere else. And
once you go to those other places, it's an entirely
different feel. It's entirely different challenge for you as a quarterback.
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I think that plays a role too, for a lot
of these guys who you know, didn't necessarily pick to
go there. They haven't played big games like this before,
a rivalry like this. I mean no disrespect to Kansas.
Kansas State not as big.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Of a rivaly.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
It just it's not even close. So I think that
plays a role too, where once you get into it,
then it's like, oh, oh s yeah, this is a
lot bigger than I've ever felt before my life, And
in those moments, it's like you can't become overwhelmed by it.
But I think I was most What disappoints me the
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most about the outcome of the game, not because like
I kind of, you know, predicted Ahio State to win.
It's more of the fact that because I thought Michigan
was gonna score about ten or thirteen points, that's what
I thought. I just thought of how State would go
to score more. And to me, it's wasted talent. You
have all this talent. You have all these guys like
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Jack Sawyer and j. T. Tuimo Law and Denzel Burke
and all these players who could have went to the
draft who came back for it. And if I'm a
defensive player, I'm frustrated. And that's why I think. You
saw Jack Sawyer with the flag after the game, so
they're not planning it and everything else. And you know,
he did everything he could when he was on the field,
but the reality is you had sixty minutes on the
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field to do your part and once that's over, man
like it's it's tough to hear this, but it's their moment.
Now you should have had that fight. Don't let him
plant that flag.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
You should have had enough flight, enough fight in you
and listen, it's probably going to get outlawed, it's going
to get banned from from college sports. Like you're not
going to be there's going to be something that's done
moving forward.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Did anybody successfully get it in the ground or it's
not about success, You're never going to.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
No, it's not. Actually it's not. It's not dumb. But
you've planted your flag in their field. It's the it's
the action of it. It's not it's not the literal
sense of it, Jonas, it's the act.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
We decided need to see it in the turf standing
up that we're playing golf.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Otherwise it doesn't count. All right, I'll leave that one alone.
That's that's crazy to me. It's the act of we
took we we walked in your trap, and we took
over your trap. We came into your house with with
some used up ankle tape, a jockstrap on, some some
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some wrist tape. Didn't wipe off our eye black, no towel,
no nothing, just your midnight package out and we're going
to your refrigerator. We're going to get some food. Oh,
there's some kool aid right there. We're gonna drink that
kool aid. What is that right there? That's what's that?
I don't know what it is, but we're going to
eat that up. Where's Oh, there's the microwave right there.
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Oh yeah, there's Yeah, you want to heat up the stove.
Let's heat up the stove. It looks like there's some
some good leftovers, and there were checked check the freezer.
They walked into your house. They walked into your house
and did what they wanted to do. That's the idea
of it, if you're looking at it from from like,
you know, football is generally connected to military. It's connected
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to to how that that works, game planning, coming in, deploying,
doing what you need to do, executing game plan missions,
those different things. And when Michigan won, Michigan basically said
we've the horse shoe and now we're putting our flag
in the ground. This is Michigan's place. Now this is
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ann arbor. Uh Ohio.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I'm telling you man, that was if you just went
drive chart in the second half, I mean, it's terrible.
It's you know, punt interception, interception, miss fieldgal Inn like
you just like looked at that and you said, oh,
this is an ugly guess.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Not good.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
The part, the part I enjoyed about it was that
as the game went on, a story was being told,
and the story was, Oh God, Michigan is okay with
what the situation is. They're okay with the circumstances and
the pressure. And Ohio States now you could feel it
watching television that that place starting to tighten up, like
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you could feel the crowd, you could feel the energy.
It was just beautifully done by Michigan to go into
that place and to take that from them, because look,
let's be honest here, they were over a three touchdown favorite.
Ohio State was going into the game. People looked at
this as a coronation. Oh you know, we're gonna get
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our opportunity, like Michigan's going.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
To get their come up ins their.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Ohio State gets their rematch against Oregon.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
And then to Brady's point, this is the part when
I thought, oh, something's going on here. When Ohio State
goes down before halftime and scores, I think the feeling.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Was like easily right, like quickly, all right, like this
this is this big biness. This is going to go quickly.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
And they get the ball to start the second half,
they're driving and then they punt it when they came
away with no points to start the second half, I thought,
oh no, man, like that fan base is probably thinking
of themselves. Wait a second, it should be so much
easier than this, what's going on? And then it felt
like the panic started to set in.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
It was brilliant.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Well, like you say, because they changed the play calling,
they changed they should have tempoed Michigan right on back
to Michigan.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Dude, spread them out and not and maybe make sense
some tempo, but spread the mount and throw the foot.
Well fifty times people.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Are like, that's for that.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Well, well, he's known for a lot of, you know,
different types of scheme. I think that's the impression of
Chip Kelly. But if you go through his years even
had Oregon and Philly and all that, like, he runs
the ball too, I mean, and even during his time
UCL most recently, that means almost stubbornly.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
And so.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
I think here's here's what Michigan's defensive style was. If
you go back to the first half and you look
at the scoring drives for Ohio State or even or
I should say it attempts to because obviously the field
goal kicking was was atrocious. Nine plays at a field goal,
ten plays miss field goal, nine plays touchdown.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Like that's that's what it was.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
So Michigan very clearly wasn't playing necessarily bend but it'll break.
But they oftentimes double Jeremiah Smith, which Ohio State was
fine with, just letting him sit in the same spot
and be doubled, and they really didn't want to let
anyone to get by them, and if they did, they
just grabbed them and it was a defensive pi like
which what happened twice on Jeremiah Smith. And so they
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were very intent on making Ohio State earn it the long,
hard way, and they knew at some point they would falter.
They knew at some point there'd be a miskick, or
they'd throw an interception or be a turnover on downs
or be a punt like. That was essentially what the
game plan was, and they knew by doing that they
would lengthen the game and it would play to their
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advantage because it's less touches for those playmakers to get
even though Ohio State essentially took some of those playmakers
out of you know, out of the game in their
own way by not targeting them or get them the
football enough.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
So that was part of that.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
I think the crazy thing is Michigan scored ten points
in the first half, and this is what those plays
looked like. Those drives looked like six total plays five
yards and they got a touchdown and a field goal
out of that. Think about that for a second. How
frustrating you have to as a defense. Now, I'm not
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saying that Michigan didn't find their way in the second
half of running the football where they clearly outrushed Ohio State.
The debate of Ryan Day teams and if they're physical
enough and tough. I mean, the one thing that became
very apparent to me before the game on the field,
and I'd said this. I don't know if I've said
this on our show, but back in twenty twenty one
when Michigan and really Jim Horrible was having a hard
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time beating Ohio State, I was there in ann Arbor
and I remember watching that team come out of the
tunnel and looking at their demeanor and I'm like, this
is different. It's not like the weight of the world
is on them. And they look to me like they're
about ready to get in a fight and whoop someone's ass.
That's what it looked like. And for the last four
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years now, that is the same look their O line,
their d line has had the entire time they go
out and warm ups, they bang around a little bit,
and when you can pay to Ohio State, it doesn't
look anything close. Like I almost feel like like Michigan
has been like hardened over the last four years, where
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Ohio State in some ways has been running a program
that is elite and is this and it's that, but
it's like not gritty. It's not where they're like scrapping
and tough. I mean, I talked a couple of the
coaches that they were kind of coming out in the second half,
and I was just kind of like, what's.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
The sense of urgency?
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Like this game shouldn't even be close, shouldn't even be close,
Like you just beat the crap out of Indiana, who
struggled with Michigan but still beat Michigan. Like this game
shouldn't even be close. And there was just no sense
of urgency and there's no sense of having that same
physicality and toughness that Michigan has. That's really the difference
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Michigan's program. Their football program is just a tougher, more
physical program, and they're gonna make it ugly and they're
gonna fight you and at least versus Ohio State. They're
gonna find a way winning.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Yeah, that's great, man, it was great. It's great.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Great.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Good. Question The question becomes, what do you do now
if you're a Higo of state.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
With Ryan Day? It's good.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Well, like he has been, He's sixty six and ten
in six seasons. He coming into it, no one had
won more games in the last fifty years, in their
first seventy five games than Chris Peterson and Ryan Day
and college football, like, think about that the last five decades.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
And unfortunately, of.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
His ten losses, forty percent or four of those have
come to Michigan, the team up north.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
That's crazy, man, It's it's nuts.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
And if and if you look at like a lot
of his losses, this is this is the most painful
because it's the largest upset in the Ohio State Michigan rivalry.
And on top of that, it's it's one in which,
like it wasn't one of those top five matchups which
we've seen in years past, and so it's a little
harder to swallow. Like LeVar and you said, like, well,
I relate, you know with you know, being a Penn
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State and Michigan. I beat him. I can relate to
a degree when I was playing USC.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Here's the difference.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
You WUSC maybe lost a total of what four games
the entire four years I was at Notre Dame. Like,
that's how good that program was. They actually were going
for a three peep for my freshman year to my
junior year. And so we can talk about that Roger
and that debate and.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Everyone's like, oh, it's a big win.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
I'm like, well, it was a scary win because outside
of two pick six is that's an even ball game,
Like if we really want to be real about it.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
But it's tough, man.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
It's tough to have to come back and then you
leave and you don't end up beating that team. But
even more disappointing this year because I think this Ohio
State team feels like they're one of the most talented teams,
and they are, and I thought their coaching staff did
not do them at least offensively. Defensively. You can't blame
Jim Knowles and what they did. I thought they did.
He did it tremendous job. It was more about offensively
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letting down that side of the ball.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Mhmm.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, Well, listen, congratulations to.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Uh we are. Yeah, yeah, we get we get a
shot shift. Hey, and that's not Ohio State or Michigan,
So don't be shocked if we beat the hell out
of them, don't be shocked. I'm just telling y'all, it's
not Ohio State and it's not Michigan. We don't have
we don't have mental blocks against anybody else. You know.
There you go. I'm just being honest. I was so happy.
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I'm like, all right, we ain't got to play Ohio
State or Michigan and the Big Ten champions. What's that?
Are you gonna go to Indianapolis for? I don't know,
what do you mean? It was too cold? This game
was too cold. I don't want Yeah, but there's always that.
I gotta walk to the place. No, you can walk
under yeah, you can walk under ground. No, let's see.
(23:51):
The last time I went, I was outside and I
was walking and I don't know, I don't know. It
was so cold this weekend there I didn't Yeah, man,
I know, I'm thinking about it having all the time.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
It's a beautiful venue and they do such a good job.
I'll say this about the Big Ten for that matchup,
it feels really really big it's awesome, like the Big
Ten does a tremendous job with the presentation of the
Big Ten championships. So if you're thinking about going, I
would go. I'm telling you will not regret it. Give
you some good stakes. I've gone.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
I just I don't you know, I don't know. Well,
if you win, it's been eight year, it's been a while.
I went to another one though. I went to I
went to another one not too long ago. I think
you should go in twenty two too. I went in
twenty two. I don't know. We'll see.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe here
on the sports radio.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
I was really cold. I'm still cold right now.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
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Speaker 3 (25:13):
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Speaker 4 (25:49):
Why does Christmas music stress y out so badly? Man?
It stresses you got to get all those gifts, man, bro.
Four chicks four that's tough. Sons are easy. Sons are
like a dad, like whatever. I prefer to call them women,
but well they're mine, so I call them chicks if
(26:10):
I want to, well, Kat Williams call them. I don't know,
that's probably not good. Jim.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I don't know, Jim.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, you guys know how we were talking about who's
going to win the m v P and people throwing
out Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Yep, yeah, we were talking about it.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
It's over, Josh Allen will be your m v P.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
He had his showtime performance last night. Uh, kind of
lateral from Amari Cooper scored a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
That that ended it. The lateral lateral for the touchdown
that was it.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, you need that moment, you need that stage, you
need the snow flurries.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
And if you have they the division last night about that,
it's over there.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
They're they're the top of the division.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
They'll host a home playoff game at a minimum right now.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
I mean, I'm not opposed to that. I'm not going
to say he he clinched it. I'm not going to
say it's over. I mean, Philly is on on a
run right now, and you know Saquon is being squan.
He did run for over one hundred he did have
a very timely touchdown now granted, and I mean, I'm
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sure we'll talk about that game. You know, they're they're
a phield goal kicker, which you would never think you'd
have to say that for Baltimore, but they were a
phield goal kicker away from winning that game.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Unbelievable, you're like, But nonetheless, the fact that you're going
to sit here and try and diminish what he's doing.
No to when one of your home away from home
is Shyenne, Wyoming.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
And I like, I like Josh Allen.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I like him, and you're going to try and take
this away from him.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I like him as well.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
I'm gonna take it away because I don't think he's
even close to Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Statistically speaking. Support what you're saying. Why are you just
giving it away to Josh Allen because they won last
night in prime time? Yes, in the snow. What's interesting
is is that moment, dude, Baltimore. Jackson's throwing for over
three thousand yards so far, he's dealing bro and.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
He's thrown nine more touchdown passes this year. He leads
the league, Like, what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, but if finished them drafts off, if Lamar Jackson
would get into better position on the field justin Tucker
wouldn't have to settle for those long field goals and
miss those. So because of that, by default, I'm gonna
go with Josh Allen.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Here, and there's a decent chance Lamar is gonna pass
for close to because what are they like five games left?
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Ah?
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Yeah, yeah, five games left. He's gonna throw for over
four thousand yards. He's gonna sniff a thousand rushing because
I think what's he now, like six hundred? So maybe
he gets like over like eight hundred. I mean, it's
it's just ridiculous, Like I don't know. Look, I realized
he won it last year. I realized he's won it
enough now where people might be saying, we can't give
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it to him again, Yeah you can when when he's
that they're a playoff team. They might not win the
division with the way Pittsburgh's playing right now, but you
can still give it to Lamar Jackson when he's deserving
of getting it. He's been phenomenal this year. It just
so happens that they've got some kicking issues.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
What's crazy is if they don't stop messing around, they're
gonna miss the playoffs with a pretty decent record. They
better stopped playing around.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
They've been too your mind.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
You know what's crazy The fact that Denver's playing the
way that they're playing is scary. It's scary because if
Denver keeps playing the way they're playing and the Chargers
keep playing the way they're playing, there's a there's a
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there's a chance, there's a chance that that Baltimore could
miss that because I think they're going to be a
wild card. I think the Steelers are going to I
think they're going to run away with it on in
the North. I think they're going to win it in
the North. So now you got to be one of those,
you know, one of those next level teams, And I
don't know that if they don't, if they don't tighten up,
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if they don't tighten up, man, they could find themselves
sitting at home to the playoffs. I mean I think so, yeah,
they'll be fine. I mean didn't. I mean, they're one
of the teams I said that can stand up to
the Chiefs. But I just think that they're they're too inconsistent.
And it doesn't matter where it comes from, whether it
be they were inconsistent on offense this day, or they
were inconsistent on defense this day, or if it was
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on special teams this day, there's always a reason why
the Baltimore Ravens kind of come up short. Now they
got a couple of signature wins. You know they beat Buffalo,
you know they they Who else did they?
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Which is one of the reasons why I think if
you're having an MVP debate and not that Josh Allen
and Lamar Jackson are playing one another, but that does
stick out in people's heads.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Sure, so, and he had a game. It's not he
had a game against them.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Just like if you want to know whether or not
my words carry weight here on this show.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Because DraftKings the odds for AP wants to go to listen,
listen when we started, when we started the segment, Josh
Allen was a minus one seventy five to win MVP.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
He's now minus two ten.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Bring up your race race being involved with the race
that is correctly up top.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
So Jonas, you're saying the NFL is racist if Lamar
Jackson doesn't win.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
It because he wanted to, he's already wanted to.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Believes there is reverse racism, you know, yes, by.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
The way, what oh gosh, what a reckless thing to
say that would only be acceptable on this show our
coast beliefs in reverse racism?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
You do you imagine that ain't happening anywhere else.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
So, in all seriousness though, Yeah, if we're having a
debate about it, there's three names, Lamar Josh Allen, and
I think in order to win it, I mean, don't
you I mean, could you really give it to Josh
Allen even though he could be statistically behind Lamar Jackson
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in every single category. I mean, I guess defensive player
of the year once and Miles year last year and TJ.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Wade had five sacks more. Yeah, I think it could
because I think that if you're looking at teams success,
I think that that could play a part in it,
possibly up top. Yep. I mean I'm not trying to
make the case because of that. I'm making the case
because I mean, if I'm looking at Josh Allen, this
was a team that you know, I made it very clear.
(32:38):
I thought they had hit their ceiling and I've said it.
I had no idea that they would turn out to
be this. This might be their best year. This might
be the year that they are the better team out
of any of the teams that Josh Allen has been on.
And maybe it's because of one thing or a nothing
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departure maybe it's an edition by subtraction. I don't really
know what it is, but I would say the balance
in which this team because because cook was he was
cooking yesterday, I would say the balance of this team
this year is very high. And I would say that
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Josh Allen is the catalyst of that. So, if I'm
not going to base it purely off of off of stats,
this probably would be the year that Josh Allen would
be the guy to win the award.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
I mean, would you guys feel if you had better
stats but you watch someone else win the award when.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
You feel a little bit like you're cheated from it?
Of course, of course.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
I mean it would be like the sales guy in
our group who was like second or third getting the
bonus a second, I was more productive this year, like
I sold more of this? Why is that guy getting
the extra?
Speaker 4 (34:04):
But I would also say it's not I would say
it's not always about the stats.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Well, when you let humans vote on an award and
it's not numbers based, this is how.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
This happened when people well, because everything isn't going to
be I don't statistically speaking, Yes, if somebody has the
best stats, you could argue that they're the best player.
That's why I think, but I don't think that that's
always the case. I don't think always the best player
has the best status.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
It's why when Todd Furman was arguing against Travis Hunter
it's like, hold on, dude, you got it, Like there's
more to than just the numbers like that, you know
the story being told there with Travis Hunters, he's the
best all around player in college football.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Well, the problem with Todd's debate was it's it's he's
making it the NFL MVP, which is not what the
Heisman is.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
And that's the problem with it. And if you go
back through like the NFL MVP.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
Winners since nineteen ninety, who are non quarterbacks, Like what
Thurman Thomas wonted Emmett Smith wanted, Barry Sanders wanted. That
was back All, Terrell Davis, I was back all in
the nineties. Like since two thousand, it's been Marshall Fulk
who was part of the greatest Shawe turf, Shawn Alexander
who had that record setting year where he had like
(35:17):
twenty seven touchdowns, like over eighteen hundred yards whatever was
LT won it like the next year I think right
as we kind of went over top of that.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Then Adrian Peterson in twenty twelve. That's it.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
It's been, it'll be going on with thirteen years since
we've had a non quarterback win the MVP Award, and
obviously the game has changed dramatically since then.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
So it's Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox
with you come it up next year, though, somebody in
the world of football is in trouble, and it's not
the usual suspect either.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
We'll get into that for you here.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 4 (36:05):
My kids walked out on this movie the other day.
Couldn't believe it. Really America is in trouble man, Oh
Christmas vacation. Yeah, America's in trouble. That's all I'm gonna say. Man,
these kids, they they're disconnected. I watched it a couple
of years ago, and it just a couple of years ago.
You're supposed to watch it every year.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Bro, I haven't watched it since.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
If you don't watch Christmas Story, yeah that one, yeah,
that one?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
And if you don't watch this one, National lampoons Christmas?
Uh not Christmas Vacation? What's the vacan Yeah? Was this
the one? Is that the vacation one? Because there's a
couple of vacation Oh are they Okay? Then I got
it right. If you don't watch those two, that's just
that's an American man. I just there's a problem there.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Must you start watching immediately after Thanksgiving Christmas movies.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
I don't want to listen to Christmas music, But I
do think that there is that that time frame. Yes,
you watch Christmas movies that a little bit. I really
believe that you shouldn't watch Christmas movies until like Christmas
Eve or Christmas Day. It seems to hit a little
differently like football and Christmas movies like okay, too many though?
(37:20):
How are you to watch them all? I don't see.
I just think that there's only a couple that you're
supposed to watch. Everything else. Everything else is like you know,
some people like Frosty the animated one, Some people like
you know, some people like Friday. You know, some people
actually think that Friday is a Christmas movie. Yeah, the
one with you know, I think where Ricky Smiley was stealing, uh,
(37:43):
stealing people's gifts and stuff like that Top Flight Security,
you know that that movie. Anyway, I'm just saying, so
which ones are your must watch?
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Then?
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Oh, I just told you. Christmas Story and National Lampoons
are only too. Like that's it. You should watch those
two and that should be respected.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
So not Frosty the original. We're not watching Elf. We're
not watching like.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Elf is good. Elf is good because it's good. It's funny.
So Elf is good, but it's not a must like
you have to watch it or there's a problem. Bad
Time is a good one, but it's not like you
not what that is not the point?
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Somebody and meds, Well.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
How did I know you were gonna talk about that?
Some of them are good, but they're not must seas
like we put on National Lampoons and they were gone.
You say Christmas Story or Christmas Story. Then there's the
one that the miracles miracle three First Street. No not
even the Grinch, like like no, not even the Grinch? No, wow, Nope,
(38:53):
I don't think they they're not. You have to sit
down and watch them. Wow, I just think it's Christmas
story and and national lampoons those I've been playing music
since Thanksgiving ended? Are you do you play the Temptations?
Speaker 5 (39:07):
I play everything, every single type of Christmas music album,
everything you.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Get, Well, that one, it might have been more cultural.
That's why I was asking Q. But qq's more like
on my side than he is on yours. Just so
you're clear, I'm just letting you know. And and the
Temptations Christmas Christmas album is like a classic. Yeah, that's
a classic.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
I'm just saying, well, we'll play that, probably because I
mix it up every day up until Christmas.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
That'll get played once a week for sure.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
By the way, fine, my wife bought tickets for This
is Friday Night right before the game to a a
cappella singing group called Straight No Chaser, which their talented,
a very good group would have gone any other time.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
But I told her.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
I was like, Dad, this is like our last you know,
team dinner of the year for the show and all stuff.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
I can't miss that.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
I'm like, and I'll be honest with you, like I'm
not even in the mood, Like I'm not gonna be
able to sit and relax before that game the next day.
I'm not even playing in it, but that was how
it felt.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
I'm like, I can't.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
I can't sit here and listen to a bunch of
dudes sing acapella before a game like this tomorrow, Like
my blood's already boiling to see what happens.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
So I just I can't go through this right now.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Is this gonna be the first snowy Christmas your daughters
have had and your kids?
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Is It's awesome?
Speaker 4 (40:24):
That's dope? Is it snowing? It has been kind of
off and on you. Okay, see bar, don't you miss No?
Speaker 2 (40:31):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (40:32):
No?
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Bro? I did not even go on the field. I'm sorry, guys,
like I wanted to come out there and see y'all,
but I went straight to the sweets. Got frad too,
frad mass callum Pineapple, go out of here.
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