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Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Rams take it to the Vikings, leaving Sam Darnold’s future in doubt. The Cowboys were clearly not prepared for Mike McCarthy to turn them down, so is Deion Sanders the answer? Plus, some possible retirements on ICYMI.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up on this Tuesday edition, we look back at Monday
Night football and it wasn't just Monday Night football. It
was the final game of wild Card Weekend in the NFL,
and of course it's stunk complete wipe out by the
Rams of the Minnesota Vikings, and the question becomes, what

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does Minnesota do with their quarterback situation moving forward?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
We'll get into all that.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
We're gonna also find out what the hell was going
on between the Cowboys Jerry Jones Mike McCarthy.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
It is over.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
What's next for both? The Pittsburgh Steelers have some questions
and if you're looking for answers, don't ask. George Pickens
not too optimistic about the whole thing. We will discuss
the very latest on another departure in State College. Pete
Prisco's gonna stop by, you know, he's gonna have a
red ass about something, and we'll close up shop with
Lee's leftovers. It's all yours coming up next here, Two

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Welcome to Round one of the NFL Playoffs, the wild
Card weekend, if you will, and welcome to another wipeout
the la Rams complete and total domination of the Minnesota

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Vikings and the Vikings committee should have selected the.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
Vikings, I mean, bottom line, Yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Mean, what a mistake. Not a blue blood don't belong
you know, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (02:08):
Actually how mad is that going to make Pete Priscot
at some point? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I can't wait for that.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
He's going to argue in circles around himself about it.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
There were definitely some better teams that got left out
of the playoffs, you know, but oh well, they got
to play the games.

Speaker 6 (02:28):
Yeah, it's just what happens.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
I mean, the Rams winning that game not surprising. Winning
like that.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
I did not expect. I did not expect Minnesota to
come out and look really similar to how they looked
last week against Detroit. And yet here we are and
the Minnesota Vikings are going home with a fourteen win season.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
It's a little odd, I think.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
I think it was stated, if a snowball is going
downhill and it's gaining momentum and more snow can you
stop that snowball from going downhill and start to go
back up.

Speaker 6 (03:08):
It's just very difficult.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Again, there's a reason why experts, when they're talking about
and even coaches and people who understand the game, there's
a reason why they say you want to be playing
your best football in January. There's a reason why at
the end of a season a team wants to be

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playing their best football. It's nice to play great football
in the beginning, but even if you're a team that
isn't playing at a high level, at the beginning of
the year. There's always the chance that if you continue
to improve and you stay in playoff contention, that if
you really really get to a point of hitting your

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stride towards the end of your regular season, those are
the teams that it's usually always the teams that get high.
They always say, you get hot at the end of
the year, they could be a dangerous team in the playoffs.

Speaker 6 (04:05):
Right.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
So, this Minnesota team was hot during the regular season.
They were amazing year for the team, amazing year for
the coach, amazing year for the quarterback. Just an amazing year.
But they got cold at the wrong time. You can't
get cold at that time and expect that you're going

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to be able to turn it back on magically and
it's going to happen for you in the upcoming game,
whether it was a regular season game, whether it was
a playoff game. And this Rams team is not a
bad team. I think they're very under I guess underappreciated,
maybe maybe under like, you know, rated in terms of

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how they're viewed. But this is a pretty solid Rams team.
And when they're all healthy, it's just always been a
matter of if this team is healthy, if they have
all of their pieces, they can be a dangerous team.
So yeah, I mean, I wasn't surprised that they got
caught up the way that they did. I will say
I agree, I was surprised at how bad the whooping

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was that took place last night.

Speaker 7 (05:15):
Okay, so I want to address that because it was
a whooping. It was a really boring second half. What
do you guys think about the Matt Stafford fumble return
for a touchdown that was then overturned and caught an
incomplete pass.

Speaker 5 (05:31):
I got issue with it.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
I didn't think it was a fumble, but I thought
it was intentional grounding.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Probably should have been called.

Speaker 7 (05:42):
Well, here's the issue with Pukuinku was in the vicinity,
so I don't you couldn't call it intentional grounding. My
issue with it was I knew what he was trying
to do and it was such a lackluster, kind of
half assed way of doing it that.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
I felt like he got away with fumble.

Speaker 7 (06:03):
Well, it was just like there really wasn't much of
a forward pitch motion. It was very nonchalant, and so
again I almost feel like there was some subjectivity to it,
which I hate, and it obviously would have tied up
the game at that point. So it's a huge momentum swing.
And I'm not saying that the Vikings win if that

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call stands, but it obviously changes the you know, the
the outlook on the game at that moment, and maybe
they do find a way of hanging around to this one.
So I'm not sure that's one that I would I
would almost want the competition committee to look at it
and say, we have to figure out a way of
determining you know. Again, it's almost like going back to

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the tuck rule, because then you were looking at intent.
And I understand by me saying this, like I'm looking
at the intent of that stafford, and I fully understood
what his intent was.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
He was trying to get rid of the football of
what is said.

Speaker 7 (07:00):
He knew he had a guy in the city and
the coup who came across and ran into the lineman,
so he could do what he did and then call
it any complete pass, which I guess you'd call it
savvy on his part, But I still looked at it
was like, I don't know, I'd like, I knew.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
What he was trying to do about almost which they
just gave it he gave the touchdown of the defense.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah, yeah, I mean the motion of the motion of
his arm was it was not to me, it was
not significant enough to say, even though I knew what
he was trying to do as well, the motion of
his arm the or I should say, the lack thereof
of motion of his arm. It just should have been
it should have been a fumble. They weren't playing, they

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weren't playing in the cold. No, it didn't look like
he does. His thumb didn't flick.

Speaker 6 (07:46):
It wasn't.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
You didn't see his hand and his wrist flick. You
just saw the ball come out. You just saw the
ball come out. And it took don't it took away fumble? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.
I mean I didn't like it. I didn't like the call,
but you know, it is what it is, and that
was a pivotal play. It definitely was a very very

(08:07):
big moment in the game.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
So you know, I mean Sam Donald took a beating.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
Yeah, he took I mean, reputation wise, physically wise, all
of it, all of it took a beating last.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Night, like his own lide had a rough night. The
rams were on him from the get go, and you know, Afterwards,
the conversation becomes now, what now, what happens with Sam Donald,
what does his future look like? And Kevin O'Connell, the
head coach of the Minnesota Vikings, spoke about just the

(08:42):
year that they had and what it should mean in totality.

Speaker 8 (08:45):
I think it's very important we all think about, you know,
Sam's body of work, what he was able to do
this year when not very many people thought he would
be able to lead a team to fourteen wins, just
the way he came in, committed himself to just a
daily process to be the best version of himself. It
did not work out in the end, and I think

(09:08):
Sam would be the first one to tell you could
he have played better tonight? I'm sure he would tell
you that he could have. The other phase of it
for Sam is acknowledging the things that made him a
winning quarterback this year and the consistency at the times
he had it throughout the year, and what that meant
for our team, because I think that can stay with
him moving forward as he goes back to work.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
All Right, this year felt like a little bit of
a well, you know, you hope for the best, but
the reality is JJ McCarthy's done. And you know, they
had a seat over under winning total before the year
of what six and a half or seven something like that,
and so they overachieved based on that metric, and they
overachieved based on what the expectation was. But the reality

(09:51):
is the two biggest games of the year, he probably
played his worst. And I just wonder, and we threw
out the hypothetically yesterday. How does this change the com station?
It has to change the conversation about what you do
with him moving forward?

Speaker 6 (10:04):
Right?

Speaker 7 (10:04):
Well, yeah, because literally in one season's time, you got
the idea of what can Sam Donald be for our franchise.
We could be a guy goes in and helps you
win a lot of games, but if you're talking about
winning a.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
Super Bowl, probably not that guy.

Speaker 7 (10:21):
I mean, that's ultimately what it comes down to it
And I hate to put it like that so blunt,
but that's what we've seen the past two weeks. It's
not like there was a dramatic shift or change for him,
this team, the offense, anything. But that's the hard part
about how harmful the last two weeks are is and
back to back weeks in the most pivotal games of

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their season. He played his worst and it's not all
on him. He got sacked what like seven times last night.
It was constantly under her rest, whatever it was, I mean,
it's ridiculous. So it's not all on him. But that's
going to be the perception. That's going to be the
conclusion of what the past two weeks have meant. And

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so it's stinks, man, that that the unfortunate has come
to this, And I think the Vikings find themselves a
little bit of a tough spot because if you don't
bring him back, you're starting over in JJ McCarthy, have
no idea what you have in him, and at least
in in Sam Donald. You know, you can get to
the playoffs, right, you win a lot of football games in.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
The regular season.

Speaker 6 (11:27):
I just look at it like this.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
You know, Troy Aikman was a tap bit critical of
Sam Darnold holding the ball knowing that the rush was
getting there to pressures. We're getting there. You know, I'll
defer that to you guys as the quarterbacks. But when
I watched it, when I watched it, I just I
just felt as though we were looking at a player

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and it was his his opportunity to be looked at
as a legitimate start in this league.

Speaker 6 (12:01):
Melt away.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
It was melting as quickly as snow on a on
a warm spring morning. It was melting away pretty quickly.
I don't think that you like that imagery. I don't
think that he will. I'm just being honest. I just
don't think he'll ever be looked at seriously as a
starter after after this season. And it's sad because he

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played so well during the regular season. He you know, resurrected,
you know, maybe feelings of what he could have possibly been,
the promise that was there when he came from college.
But I just think that the way the year ended,
the way it finished out in the in the playoffs,

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Not only do I not think that he'll get the
type of money that maybe he was going to be
seeking originally. I don't think that there's just like, what
do you do with Daniel Jones? You have three quarterbacks?
Daniel Jones. I believe he's younger. He's much younger than
than Sam Donald, right, I think so is he much younger,

(13:10):
like at least three four years?

Speaker 6 (13:11):
Right?

Speaker 2 (13:12):
I don't know. I think they're kind of maybe more
are they?

Speaker 7 (13:15):
Yeah, Well, Jones is twenty seven Sam Donald, we usually
would have lead a lap on that actually.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
The same age twenty seven two.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
Yeah, they're both the same age.

Speaker 6 (13:24):
They're both twenty seven.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
I good to hear for youybody. Yeah, they're both twenty.

Speaker 6 (13:26):
So wow did they they came in?

Speaker 2 (13:29):
How Donald?

Speaker 4 (13:31):
Well, Donald came out a year earlier earlier, Okay, a
year earlier, Okay. So I just I don't know that
you look at Sam Donald and say, with JJ McCarthy
coming back, that's who they're going to go with, and
Daniel Jones, Like, I think it's going to come down

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to how much it costs. But I think that I
think that at this point you might think that it's
more more feasible to let let Sam Donald walk and
test the market and see where he's at, and go
with McCarthy and Daniel Jones. I mean, it just seems
like that would make more sense since you brought Daniel

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Jones in after he left New York. For Sam Donald
going to another team, I just don't think that he
gets a serious look at being a starting quarterback and
would need circumstances like a starter going down and getting
injured for him to get that opportunity to be a
starter again and that's I think that that's just the

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reality of where he is at this point in his career.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Sam Donald might have lost sixty million dollars in two
weeks kind of while that's a lot of money, man,
that that went out the window based on the last
two performances, and I just, yeah, it seems like it
makes the most sense to just turn it over to
JJ McCarthy. You've got Daniel Jones as the veteran back
up there, and you just let Kevin O'Connell try and

(14:56):
you know, work his magic again that he's done before,
whether it be Kirk or when Kirk Cousins went down
with injury, back up here, Sam Darnold there. But that sucks, man,
Like it was he had played so well leading up
into those points and then.

Speaker 7 (15:11):
And there were so many touching moments throughout the course
of the year. You know how the NFL just such
a great job with audio. I think at one point
you heard like Kevin O'Connell in the headset, you know,
talking to him and just saying how proud he was
of him and how proud he is of how he's played.
I mean, those are real conversations, man, I mean people
can say whatever they want, and they were. You know,
I'm even part of it with how he played the

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last two weeks.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
But he's resurrected his.

Speaker 7 (15:35):
Career in a sense of Yeah, he may not be
viewed as a starting quarterback for other teams or a
guy that like you can go win a Super Bowl with,
but he damn sure's looked at as a great backup,
like a guy that teams can rely on to go
win games, teams can feel confident in having on their
roster and at least making a good living that way
for the rest of his career if he wants, Like

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that's how monumental this season would has been for him,
at least as far as his life long jevy of
his career.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
So I don't know.

Speaker 7 (16:03):
I mean, it's it's not gonna be an easy decision
for Minnesota, but I do think they have to stay
the chorus with JJ McCarthy because if this lingers on
for another year, I'm not sure that helps them in
any capacity seeing what they have in JJ. But also,
you know, continuing to kind of build with Sam even
though he's young and he's still three years away from

(16:24):
being thirty.

Speaker 6 (16:25):
I think they getting rid of J. J. McCarthy. I
know he was trying to trade him earlier, trade him away?
You know what I think, you.

Speaker 7 (16:32):
Know I'd love to do because we never get this enough. Lee,
What do you think the Minnesota Vikings should do this offseason?

Speaker 2 (16:40):
What should the Vikings do? They should?

Speaker 9 (16:44):
Dan Well, I just whatever the wrong decision is is
what I want them to do.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
This is why I would say, this is why I
asked you stick with J.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
McCarthy, because because you're a Packers fan.

Speaker 7 (16:58):
So what's interesting about this is you're trying to be professional,
but at the same time you also want them to
make a mistake.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
So what do you think they should do?

Speaker 9 (17:05):
I'd say stick with JJ. You've already kind of hitched
your wagon to him. You could still develop him. This
is so funny, And why pay Sam Donald when you.

Speaker 7 (17:17):
But this this sounds like a reasonable decision the way
you're talking about it, Like, I guess if I gave
you three options, J J. McCarthy, Sam Donald or what's
in the bag? Like, which would you pick?

Speaker 9 (17:28):
If it were me and I was rooting for them,
I'd say, what's in the bag?

Speaker 5 (17:31):
But what Lee is a what's in the bad guy?

Speaker 2 (17:36):
I'm what's in the bad guy?

Speaker 9 (17:37):
Let me see what's behind.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
I see what you did? You set him up? Okay,
I see what you did. His his his ability to
reason went all the way away, all.

Speaker 7 (17:46):
The way once you gave him that wrapped gift where
you're like, or you can have this lee He's like, but.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
It could be could be.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Story beer, the mystery beer in Arizona is one of
my favorite.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
It's in the world. And you should have seen.

Speaker 5 (18:09):
Was that what they gave a brown paper bag with
a beer?

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, it was a surprise beer. It was a dollar cheaper.

Speaker 7 (18:15):
Which is an unbelievable way of selling a beer on discount.
You're rid of just anyhow. And by the way, it
makes it better instead of brown bag.

Speaker 9 (18:27):
Because they gave me two the same ones, wasn't it
That wasn't that that brown Amber.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Lagger or whatever it was? And I'm like, it's it's
on the menu.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
It's not like this is a special beer they got
shipped in from somewhere else and they're like, hey, what's
it going to be. It's literally the same beer, but
they wrapped a brown.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
Bag sell it doesn't sell like that's what they're doing.

Speaker 9 (18:51):
It was good it was good beer, and I was
upset that it wasn't different every single day I got
two beers the same.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
It was upsetting. Well, look, congratulations, I'm.

Speaker 7 (19:02):
Just glad the Rams wanted for Gavin News some of
all the people out there.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
And really, you know, he's really working hard man, really
really doing a bang.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Up job out here.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
Is there anyone that you want to slap more than
Gavin News?

Speaker 7 (19:13):
I'm dead seriously, Like you could say that about a
lot of politicians.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
He might be at the top of the list.

Speaker 7 (19:20):
Like he comes off as so smug, and it's like, dude,
just do more, like go help people, Like, stop talking
to the media all the time. Go actually help people.
Get your hands out there and you do some physical
labor to help some people instead of doing another interview
and saying whatever you're spewing.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
My god, yeah, it's uh, you know.

Speaker 7 (19:42):
You here, just like, dude, go help you stop talking,
go actually take action, do something.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
Damn I did even live there.

Speaker 7 (19:53):
But it's hard to watch because you see him all
He's on like every single news channel talking like guys like,
go help people.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
What are we doing?

Speaker 1 (20:03):
I mean, listen, you gotta get your uh, you gotta
get your faicetime on on the news stations. You know
that's how it works. I mean why LeVar always wants
the local news on here in the studio like I
don't mean, I can't excit.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
I thought that was silence support you, That's what I thought.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yeah, And that's why the local channel is on today
and yesterday.

Speaker 6 (20:23):
You know that's why, because LeVar needs them.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
Canon Planets, Planets.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
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Speaker 2 (20:37):
So we are gonna have the usuals. Yes, Pete Prisco.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Will stop by our three in the program, we're gonna
close up shop with Leeds leftovers, and we're gonna finish
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was a foregone conclusion in the NFL, we got a
nice little twist yesterday from the league, from a franchise

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and from a coach.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
We'll get into that for you next here on FSR.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
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Speaker 1 (21:20):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Here on Fox
Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you.
Coming up in a little over fifteen minutes from now,
we are going to talk about a future Hall of Famer,
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yours here on FSR. So I assumed that when the

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Dallas Cowboys stepped up and said, hey, look, you know,
Mike McCarthy, we're not letting you go interview for that
Bears job. We're going to have conversations. I just assumed
that that meant they were going to get a deal done.
And then yes, for you, yesterday happened and Nope, no
deal done and the Cowboys and Mike McCarthy are arding
ways now. Jerry Jones would have you to believe that

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there were no negotiations that were happening. They were still
having discussions about the overall picture of the team. Others
have said no, it was the length of the contract.
Mike McCarthy wanted one thing, the Dallas Cowboys were offering another,
and thus Mike McCarthy has now been thrown into the
mix of potential coaching fill ins, coaching hires, and the

(22:25):
new coaching cycle in the NFL and teams out there
looking for a guy and Dallas is out there now
looking for their guys. So awkward, ending to an awkwardly
run organization based on every other organization that we see
in sports.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
There you go, Dallas, job well done by everybody.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
Man, that's how you feel.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Huh yeah, I just.

Speaker 7 (22:48):
I think I look at it this way, and listening
to Troy Aman talk about it from last night's game,
I this can't be the the design or the plan
that they had, because if it was, then maybe their
top candidates not Ben Jonson, maybe it's not Aaron Glenn. Otherwise,

(23:11):
you took so long dragging your feet with this decision
on Mike McCarthy that you basically didn't give yourself a
chance to interview either one of those two or any
other coach that's still coaching the playoffs for that matter,
until after they're done. So the rumors come out that
hey Deon Sanders has been contacted by Jerry Jones. They've

(23:32):
had good conversations, and it sounds like from all reports,
Deane wants to stay in Colorado, So maybe he wasn't
a fan of whatever was offered or whatever was discussed.
But this can't be by design because it feels like
not only did it hamstring Mike McCarthy for a little bit,
but at hamstrung the organization moving forward to whoever the

(23:53):
next head coach is going to be. And now you
can't talk to one of the best candidates because while
he's still in the playoffs. Maybe that changes this week.
But I look at it and just go it feels
like everything's kind of haphazardly being done, like for a
guy who's trying to win a Super Bowl or went
hashtag all in last year.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
Like it's like almost like they don't really.

Speaker 7 (24:13):
Have a blueprint for how to do this, even though
they did this thirty years ago.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
I mean, at least I didn't have to say they
fired him. You know, it's just it came to an
end and we're not going to renew you. I mean,
I don't know how often that happens. I do think
it was a tad bit peculiar, Like you said Jonas
that they did not allow for him to start the
interview process. I thought that maybe that was a foreshadowing

(24:46):
of do you look at it as McCarthy leveraging for
a little bit of you know, kind of a I
am a good coach, I am important, I am in
need or in and to some capacity, So you know,
what are you guys going to do? So when you

(25:06):
let his contract run out and say you're not going
to renew him and you're letting them go, I almost
feel like that's kind of an insult, you know, to
the injury of we're not going to renew you and
we're letting you go, you know, and we weren't going
to let you do anything early on either. But it
also maybe makes me start to think tentatively that they

(25:28):
did have an idea of who they may have wanted
to come in and take the job. And I would
not be surprised if it was Prime, you know. I
start thinking to myself when when I saw that, you
know that there was conversations between Dion and Jerry Jones
that you remember that old Nike commercial where it was like.

Speaker 6 (25:49):
Get me don I don't care what it costs.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
You remember that, like and it had the song from
Dallas playing and it was like a Nike commercial for
Dion those same shoes. I believe maybe it's a different pair,
but you know it's I guess it gives me. It
gives me the vibes of you want to make a
splash a splash higher. You're probably not going to get

(26:15):
Ben Johnson, who would probably be the other splash higher.

Speaker 6 (26:20):
And to be honest with you, I mean.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
What other candidate out there would you say would be
a significant upgrade to Mike McCarthy being your head coach?
You had him, you know, you had him on your
You had him on.

Speaker 6 (26:39):
Your staff last year, and you let him get away.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
If you were going to let his contract run out
and get rid of him, why didn't you just hire
Dan Quinn last year?

Speaker 6 (26:48):
Why didn't you just hire him then?

Speaker 5 (26:50):
Like do you think there's uh? I don't want to say,
you know, seller's remorse or have you want to describe it?

Speaker 7 (26:55):
But there is because the betting odds favorite right now
is Kellen Moore, which takes me back to like, well,
wait a second, why would you do that? And hired
him Quinn on his staff and he moved on from
he they let Dan Quinn go and then they moved
on from Kellen Moore.

Speaker 5 (27:14):
So how does that make any sense?

Speaker 2 (27:18):
This doesn't It feels like Dank Callen does.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
The Cowboys are going to try and spin this as, hey,
look we've got a plan, We've got to No, you
don't like you. You thought Mike McCarthy was going to
come back and just take whatever terms you were going
to throw at him, because you were saying nice things
about him at the end, and Mike McCarthy's like, I've
got options. I'm not going to take a half assed
deal to go come back and be a part of
the chaos. And the fact that you had all those

(27:43):
players sticking up for him, and now you've got Dallas
kind of scrambling and trying to, you know, let everybody know, like,
oh listen, you know well, it feels like they've got
to almost get desperate and try and make a splash higher.
And I don't know if it's Dion or if they
go knock on Belichick's door, but it's just hypical Cowboys
wait until the last minute, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

(28:04):
And except this time the guy on the other side
was like, no, man, like I'm not just going to
accept these terms, I'll go I'll go my own way
and go in a different direction. And then if you
ask a big picture about the organization you mentioned Troy Aikman.
Aikman did talk last night just about the overall opinion
of the organization, whether it's this big time job that

(28:27):
everybody says it is, let's take a listen.

Speaker 10 (28:29):
As far as a coveted job, I don't know that
that's accurate. I mean, I do think that, I do
think the Cowboys are obviously a high profile team. Whoever
is covered or whoever is head coaching of that team
is certainly going to draw a lot of attention. But
I think most football people that take over as a
head coach, they want to do it on their terms.
That's hard to do.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
So, I mean I just sang.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Good luck, bang bang, good luck bang bang.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Now there was a report that, you know, the conversations
between Dion and Jerry Jones are expected to continue. Whatever
that means, you know, I mean, I would be surprised.

Speaker 6 (29:11):
Do you think he can do it? Do you guys
think he can do it at the pro level.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I'm not gonna down him.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
Yeah, yeah, sure, I mean why not. I'm not.

Speaker 7 (29:22):
I think he runs I mean, look at what he
did this year. He runs it more as a pro
style organization anyway. I think the biggest difference is and
not that they have a big NIO collective and we're paying,
you know, paying players a lot of money, because the
transfer portal has allowed them to turn over their roster
in a very dramatic fashion. The NFL level, it's really

(29:45):
hard to do that because you have to have an
ownero's willing to pay all that money out and Jerry Jones,
at least of late, has not been wanting to spend
a lot of cash. So I would say that the
biggest struggle is his model of how he's built his
rosters in college is not going to work in the NFL.
But Pat Shermer's offensive you know coordinator NFL style, you

(30:07):
know system and play caller, his defensive coordinator he brought
from the NFL ranks.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
I mean, his approach from.

Speaker 7 (30:13):
Year one to year two is really, oh, I've had
a lot of college guys, I need more NFL guys.
So there is definitely is that NFL mindset, and so
I'm not going to count them out by any means,
But I do think he'd have to make some big
adjustments with how he's constructed his roster and some of
the things he's done in Colorado, and how that would
apply it at Dallas.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Yeah, I think it'd be much harder to win at
the league level. But I will say this, if there
was a match of energy or a clone of energy
in terms of marketing and selling, I mean, imagine Jerry
Jones and Deon Sanders together because to me, it has

(30:54):
it hasn't been about winning for a really long time
for the Dallas Cowboys. So whether Deon Sanders was able
to deliver a Super Bowl or just win right, if
he was able to win in Dallas, it would be
a major major come up for Jerry Jones in that
organization and and to me, the value of that organization

(31:18):
because they both are masterful in the way that they
do things that that garner attention and and and just
get get people's, you know, their interest level up. In
terms of winning, I just think that it would be
it would be a difficult It's it's going to be
a difficult proposition for any coach to win at the

(31:40):
league level.

Speaker 6 (31:40):
But I will say.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
This, I look at a guy like Demico Ryans, you know,
as as as a pretty cool example. You know, he
came in as just a defensive coordinator. He didn't come
in as as a head coach, a former head coach.
He came in as a decordinator and was able to
change a culture and in little time, and that team

(32:05):
is in its second playoff as many years as he's
been a head coach. So and the reason why I
pinpointed him is not because he's black. I know a
lot of people are probably thinking that I don't make
everything about color and race people really, but yeah, he is.
But I will say the reason why I made him
as a comparison is because I think the way that

(32:27):
players react to Tamico Ryans in terms of their relatability
and him being a player coach, I think that Dion
Sanders has that in.

Speaker 5 (32:40):
A whole different stratusphere.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
The way that the pros would relate to Prime, the
way that they would want to play for Prime, I
think would be a tremendous difference maker in terms of
what the level of expectation and the level of achievement
would be if he can aim there as a coach.
Because he's not a gimmick, I think I think people

(33:04):
should settle in on the fact now more than ever
that Deon Sanders coaching is not a gimmick. He really
can coach. He really is a leader of men, and
and so to me, I think it would be an
excellent move if if Jerry Jones was able to lure

(33:25):
him away from from Boulder, Colorado.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
Hey, League, can we f eight this and send it
to smack Entertainment. That's that's Dion's media just want to
make sure they get this.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Hell yeah entertainment.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
I mean the way, what did the four fingers say
to the face?

Speaker 1 (33:47):
LaVar has been telling me for a couple of years
now that Dion's like the burner of football?

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Is he the burner of football? I love the fact
that he is the burner of football because you know
what that means. You're going to be safe, and that
means that you may being safe a priority that's right
with personal safety, your family safety, all that make it yours.
Choose the Burner less lethal pistol launcher. Get ten percent

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Speaker 2 (34:29):
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Speaker 3 (34:31):
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Speaker 3 (35:21):
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Speaker 5 (35:25):
Good thing.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
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Speaker 2 (35:30):
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Speaker 8 (35:33):
Lea.

Speaker 9 (35:34):
Lap Good morning everybody. Good morning Jonas, Good morning, Bratdy,
Good morning LeVar. Guys, in case you missed this, good morning.
After eleven seasons at the age of thirty three, nine
Pro Bowls, three first Team All Pro honors, Hey, Brady
Khalil Mack is thinking about calling it quits again. He's
on the Chargers, they just got knocked up by the

(35:56):
Texans and he's going to be a free agent for
the first time in his career in March.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Big decision to be made.

Speaker 7 (36:02):
Uh yeah, wh a really great career, Like how many
people would have got over one hundred and seven sacks.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
I mean there was a moment in time. There's about
two or three seasons where I don't know that there
was a stoppable player in the league. Yeah, yeah, was
that a Raider go for.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Five in the playoffs in his career?

Speaker 6 (36:29):
Well it's a bear too though.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
The Knox chinks is what they call that.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
What do you mean, what do I got to do
with that?

Speaker 5 (36:35):
Well, because he became a bear, that played a role
in all Over he still was pretty good.

Speaker 6 (36:39):
Though he was still pretty good.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it wasn't the same player
as he was with the Raiders, but it's the Knox Chicks.
And then he got to the Chargers and they had
that collapse, that gag job against Jacksonville a couple of
years ago as well too. He's just not had a
great run in the postseason. I don't think he's retiring.
I'll call my shot right now. Once you have fate
that that in your afete pipe and smoke it. I'm

(37:01):
gonna say, Khalil Mack returns for another year.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Gosh that he probably will go Chargers. He's gonna stay
with them.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
I'm not Charger season the Chiefs one because of the Chiefs.
Like everyone tries to find their way to the Chiefs
to go win.

Speaker 6 (37:15):
A Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
I mean, why not? Why go to Chiefs? Could they
hire him right now if they wanted to?

Speaker 8 (37:25):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Not a free agent until March. Yeah, I think he'll
be back.

Speaker 9 (37:31):
What else we got, well, someone who has announced officially
their retirement, although I don't know if you believe them
that The Gipsy King Tyson Fury abruptly announced his retirement
on social media following his second consecutive loss to Alexander Musik.

Speaker 6 (37:44):
Yeah, okay, okay, they don't want to fight no more.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
Yeah, I mean he wants to fight, he wants to box,
but he doesn't have that hunger that he used to
add tell.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Jones, he's retired like fourteen times, just like okay, all right,
and then somebody's gonna offer him a grip of.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
Cash and ago, you know, you'll come back and do it. Yeah,
of course, not after but he keeps losing. It's not
the same. But he's undefeated. It's one thing, but.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
It's not like he's getting wiped out. You know, he's
not getting floe.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
It's not the same. It's not to say he got
that pay day after he beat the bronze bomber. And
it's just never been the same.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Why do they call him the bronze Bomber?

Speaker 4 (38:21):
By the way, I don't know why they call him
the bronze bomber.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
If he has to this date he's still black.

Speaker 6 (38:32):
Date to this date, he's still black.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know why he's the
bronze Bomber. Did he win a bronze medal in the
in the Olympics. Maybe maybe maybe.

Speaker 6 (38:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
I don't know why you had to make everything about race.
It could have just been an Olympian thing. You know
what else you get?

Speaker 6 (38:54):
I mean.

Speaker 9 (38:56):
He could be right, guys, In case you missed this,
On Locker Lean out day for the Packers, Packers quarterback
you're Alexander, unsure about his future with the team, declined
to speak with the media, saying he has nothing good
to say.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Wow, that's wow. What do you think about that?

Speaker 9 (39:12):
Lee A little bummed, But I mean he's hardly ever
playing anyway.

Speaker 5 (39:16):
I mean he ended the year on our questions brain.

Speaker 6 (39:19):
P c L.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
I'm not saying kick his as just saying.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Be on the team you imagined. Do you managed leave
beat up? You're Alexander beat him.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
As it was because he wanted the bronze metal to
By the way, it's just so we're clear.

Speaker 5 (39:38):
Bronze bomber
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