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Tuesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys talk about how the Raiders seem to keep getting worse after losing to the Cowboys on MNF, Giants DE Abdul Carter getting benched, Falcons QB Michael Penix Jr. being out for the year, and more!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up on this Tuesday edition, of course, we're going to
catch up with our guy, Dean Blandina. We got another
edition of In case you missed it, and we've got
the leftovers. We're also going to talk about what the
hell that was on Monday Night football? The Raiders are terrible,
The Cowboys aren't much better, but significantly better last night

(00:20):
on the road what seemingly felt like a Cowboys home game.
We'll discuss all of the different angles and aspects of that.
We're also going to have a conversation about bad news
for one quarterback in the NFL as this season appears
to be over, good news for Virginia Tech they have
found their guy, and what's next for Lane Kiffin when
it comes to LSU, Florida or staying at Ole Miss.

(00:43):
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officials being fanboys in the NFL. We got the usual
fun stuff. It's all yours. Coming up next here, Two
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Speaker 2 (01:48):
You want to see what change this song? It's too much, man,
it's too much. Want to take a baseball bat to
someone's car?

Speaker 3 (01:57):
How is it legal?

Speaker 4 (01:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:00):
I sent that that sent that video to you guys yesterday.
It was like this big ass concert and the dude
like started the music. Oh yeah, he started the music
and then you just saw massive humanity? Just how is
that legal? How is mach pitting of that? Of that?

(02:23):
How is machh pitting period legal? Like? How are you able?
I'm going to a concert today, I'm putting on these
horned rings, I'm putting on my leather jacket, I'm putting
on my chucks. Whatever.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
It was that serious?

Speaker 5 (02:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's called the Wall of death.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
What yeah, that's crazy? How is how is that legal? Coop?
What do you know that metal? Yeah? I love pans?
How is that legal?

Speaker 5 (02:49):
It's just when when two sides of the crowd just
just run at each other and yes, yeah, how's that legal?

Speaker 3 (02:55):
That's awesome? How is it legal? That's just noble? Do
you like crawl through people's legs? If you've ever done that? Like,
how do you do it? Like? Do you really like
be punching and kicking? Hit button?

Speaker 5 (03:07):
So, I mean, to be fair, I've never done a
Wall of death. But when I get in the mosh
pit or like the circle pit, my goal is to
just try and not try and stay on my feet die.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
Yeah, because if I don't stay on my feet, death,
death is possible.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
You know you're there, not the biggest.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
No, I am not, so why would you go do it?

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Yeah? What what's the point there?

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Like if I were in a mosh pit, I would
be playing dodgeball with you. It makes me feel anymore
there anymore? Like this one over together floor.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Is your fight or flight? Not coming to play hair
like and kick in? Like I feel like you've missed
out some national instincts.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
No, I mean I don't.

Speaker 5 (03:59):
It's one of the only areas in my life where
I've I, you know, done well.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
But this is what I'm curious though.

Speaker 6 (04:11):
This.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
I'm curious though on the set of Liar Liar, did
somebody say, hey, check out this Slayer song and you
were just hooked from there? Like how do you even
get involved in that world?

Speaker 5 (04:19):
No, it wasn't until until I started high school that
I got like into heavier music.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
But but you should.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
You should note that people in the moshpit, especially like
a circle pit, they're all very nice people. Like if
you get knocked if you get knocked down, yeah, they're
running over to help.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, pushing back out there. What are you doing, I've
run over to pick everyone up. Yeah, I'm the nice guy.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Did not they all do?

Speaker 1 (04:46):
I really really do.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
It's weird.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Hey bro, you got your ass kicked here, let me
help you up, hold on elbow to the face.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
That's what I would think, Like you kick without it down. Yeah,
you're moshpitting. You don't have like you don't have pleasant
trees and motts. Mosh pitting.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
You gotta see. You got to see the one from
Woodstock ninety nine when Corn played the mosh pit there
was like a drink blind Jonas, you're a fan, but
you've never been in one. I can guarantee that my ass.
I haven't been in one.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Oh stop, your body would fall.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
I've told, I've told the story, would cap would pop out?

Speaker 3 (05:24):
I was.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
I was in a Slayer mosh pit and wiped out
some guy that was at least three bills. I mean,
I hurt my shoulder, but you still got a good licking.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Why don't we want Why do we allow it?

Speaker 4 (05:36):
Jonas to lie to everyone?

Speaker 3 (05:39):
I mean, and he really be hyping it too.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Why Why would you think I would lie about that?

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Because you lie about a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
No, I don't lie about a lot like you creating
the Manzis song.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Oh yeah, that was a lie.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
I didn't you didn't do that. It was created. But yeah,
definitely if evidence that you're the one that was, can
we use the evidence?

Speaker 1 (06:05):
What I don't have evidence?

Speaker 5 (06:06):
What do you talk?

Speaker 4 (06:07):
Oh there's evidence.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
What you're talking about, Oh there's evidence?

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Well, there was some evidence of some bad football teams
last night. I'll say that. Look right, there was the team.
I would say. Dallas's offense is good. I still I
think maybe their defense the improved. They've improved. Quinn Williams.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
You just don't know, though, because the Raiders thing.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
The Raiders are so much worse I thought.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Would so bad and by all, by all accounts, shouldn't
Pete Carroll by judge the same way AP was judged
last year, because it kind of looks the same to me.
Kind of looks the same to me, like it's going
to take a build and a quarterback by the way,
sorry Gino, or offensive line that can protect him. I mean,

(07:04):
he didn't have very much time. But still, I don't know.
They look bad, That's all I'm gonna say. And they
made Dallas look good, which, by the way, why shouldn't
they look good. You got maybe the best receiver tandem
in all of the NFL. You got a quarterback that's
playing at a high pretty high level. And now you

(07:26):
add quinnin to the defensive side. I mean, the linebacker
isn't bad. It's his name fifty five or whatever linebacker
that that they got from. Where they get him from?

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Who come out, Marris Lufa is thirty five?

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Thirty five? No, no, no, no, the new one that
they just from Cincy. There we go. I'm sorry. He
wasn't bad. I think Jerry Jones is probably happy with
the way his team looks right now. If I were
Jerry Jones, I would be happy with the exception of

(08:04):
maybe a few positions that I feel like I want
to upgrade. But the potential of what this Dallas team
could be is there. I will say that I don't know.
I'm not gonna get carried away about them being any
better than what they were in the game they were
in last night against the opponent they were against. I

(08:26):
won't go too much further from that because I don't
know if it's applicable to better teams. But they have
a they got a schedule coming up, and we'll find
out how good they are in these next few games.
That they were pretty much the rest of the way,
I believe we'll see.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, I just I'm watching and I've said it before,
but every time I see the Raiders, they look like
they get worse. Like there's no you don't see any
sort of ascent or anything.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Trying to blow a balloon that has a small hole. Yeah,
like I understand, I won't won't hold the air.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
It's just getting worse by the by the by the game.
And it was, you know, we saw Geno Smith on
you know, was it a Thursday night game, And I'm like,
all right, well that looked pretty bad. But at least
he wanted to stay in there and got it out
and you know, kind of work through it. And it's like,
all right, well, you know, it's admirable. And and every
game I just come away going, wow, they're they're even

(09:27):
worse than they were last game. And I just I
don't know what my expectations were for them. I didn't
think that they were a playoff team, but I just
thought that they would be further along than this, and
they're nowhere close. And it just seems like Pete Carroll's
aging by the game the way this season's gone.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
And they just don't have what they need on the roster.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
I will continually keep saying this, Gino Smith's in a
really really tough position, and whether it's a lack of
protection or a lack of weapons. I mean, I think
about this like Bauers obviously is there leading receiver at
tight end. He was out for a period of time,
Like when you didn't have him, you don't have anything,
and he is that chess piece that that's a true

(10:10):
difference maker.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
But you have to have more.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
And when the run game's not there with Jenty like
last night, it's just there's not really much you can do.
And that's the tough spot that Geno's in, the Raiders
offenses in, and really it's putting the defense in. Is
they're gonna get outscored most games, and they're gonna become
one dimensional most games. Like it's not hard to take
away Bowers and then they have to kind of figure

(10:34):
out what they're gonna do after that. So if they
can't run the football and they can't add in or
sprinkle in some of their pieces, like I just sprinkle,
But think about it like that is a tough spot
to be in. I just called a game where you
basically had for each team a number one wide receiver
and then maybe some guys trying to compliment. It's just

(10:55):
that those are not going to be teams that are
going to be consistently successful in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
It is such a matchup driven league.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
If you don't have a guy that forces teams to
try to match up, teams to do something different, it's
it's it's gonna be a long season and it's gonna
take time to get to that point. And then Raiders
just don't have that. And so to your point about
Antonio Pierce, you know, should he's still been there, would

(11:22):
have been different.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
I'm not behind you know, those doors, and I don't
know how they're trying to build stuff. I'm not I
don't I don't know if it would have been any different.
You know, maybe they should have kept AP. But it
isn't any different this year. That's that's yeah, I mean,
that's what I'm saying. It's like like like who knows, Yeah,
it's not even different. But I do know this, like
they need to give whoever's there sometime. It doesn't matter

(11:45):
if it's AP, doesn't matter it's Pete Carroll. This roster
is not set up to win right now.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yes, it's not.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yeah, I mean, we can spend a segment on this game.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
But that's how irrelevant that game was last night, if
we're being honest, if being real, there was a ton
to talk about that. So that's the kind of ass
kicking that.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
It was last night.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
It's just more about again the question of what is Dallas.
I think that's the biggest question I come away with, Like, Okay,
that was an impressive win. You see what it can
be with guys like Pickens and with Lamb. I mean,
I thought they were phenomenal last night. I mean, I mean, well,

(12:26):
but there's one thing to talk about. God.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
Well, okay, so pickings of Lamb don't go out the
first series.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yeah, and they breezed over it too, by the way,
I mean they mentioned it, they showed them, but they
breezed over it very quickly. By the way.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Can we be real, like this isn't high school assistant college?
Like that doesn't bother players? I mean, it looks bad.
They'll have to talk about or answer to it. You
find the guy the pros now, if you want to
punish him, you know, find those guys, don't not put
them in the first series and then potentially against another team,

(13:03):
you know, have a close game where you could have
used them and you lose, Like you sitting out Piggins
and Lamb for that first series, it impacts everyone else.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
And that's that's always been my.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Way of looking at punishing an individual for their whatever
they did. Like you sit them out, you're hurting ever,
the coaching staff, the organization, every other player on that team.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
It's not feared all those people.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
And maybe you say, well, that's you know, part of it,
because then everyone's going to be mad at them and
help keep them accountable. It's like, well, dude, find them,
that's what they would care most about. You know you can,
You've you've got the ability to do that within the CBA,
and that's usually going to deter players from doing whatever
they did to be in that spot in.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
The first place.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
But then he was glazing them though they came out
at halftime. Hey you didn't play your guys. That not
glazed them up.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
Was glazing I don't know what that means.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
That means he was just talking that he was hyping
them like he was talking so you know, he's talking
so complimentary of them, and yeah, he just moved right
on like they sat out for the first few few plays.
That is not Yeah, those guys are amazing. This that glazing.
You know, like a Glade Donuts, you hear Blaze donuts

(14:19):
always better.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
You want to hear the yeah. I mean, I'm you
want to hear the guy lavarc Halls, the Glazer Schottenheimer
like here he was talking about Benching Pickens and CD
Lamb for the first.

Speaker 7 (14:31):
It's tough, you know, made a coach's decision. There were
some things that were missed, and so I had a
conversation with those guys and that was easy. But I mean,
if you look at the energy those guys play with,
you know, Clarence are like you know, they literally they
jump started the offense when they got back in there.
They didn't hang their heads, they didn't do any that stuff.

(14:52):
And that's why I love those guys.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Man Glazer, that's glazing. What he did at the end,
that's glazing.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
They were inspired.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I'm just trying to keep you all up to speed
on what the young though I don't want to. Well,
I just figured I still keep you all on games.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
I'd rather it sound like Chinese to me. I really
don't care to.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Just in case that's glazing.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
The girls come home and say that phrase, I'll just
literally rip away every toy they've ever had.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
You're saying that, but when you hear it, you're going
to be like, I know what glazing means. Go much? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
I'm just saying. You know, I hear it, so I
gotta be I'm not immune to it. So I hear
it from a ten year old and from a soon

(15:41):
to be twenty year old and to eighteen year olders
and damn yeah, so I hear the college terminology and
how it I am slanging it. You are the lang
in it. And I have one adult who likes to
talk like me, you know, we speak more on an
adult level. But yeah, glazing, and that's what it was.

(16:04):
And and listen, okay, And I'm assuming it's a meeting,
right like we saw. I saw the report on Abdul Carter.
I saw I saw the report on the guy to
talk about that, the guy from uh, the receiver from
the Bills. They didn't even dress him because he missed
a meeting. I just this new age, this new age athlete. Man,

(16:27):
they just don't I think their parameters have been you know, moved.
I think the standard, the line of expectation has has
moved somewhere else. And I don't I don't know. I
just don't know. And and just to hear the fact
that that the report said that day Ball was tolerant

(16:48):
of him being late for meetings and stuff like that,
like that's that's unheard of.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
He was what you mean, it's unheard of.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
That's unheard of for people to be tolerant of God
being late.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Come on, Bill Parcels, just do that LT. Never you
never heard that LT story.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
It's always one.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
L T treatment.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
There's always the one one guy, the one guy that
takes who they are and they take it to the
outer limits of being that type of person that Lawrence
Taylor was and can get away with it. Well, he
did ask for his number. So the most, the the
more do not have those types of that they.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
Treat.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
They don't have that.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
By the way, I heard that Abdul Carter is thinking
about changing his number again two point five to the
number of stupid.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
That's that's wow, it's hateful.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
What's that hateful?

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Because I heard.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
What's interesting to me is was Micah and I'll do
a Carter. It just seems like it's like these penn stores.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
What do you now? What do you mean? Now? What
do you mean? People? Parson ain't done nothing. What do
you mean money? Just ask for his money. That's it.
And he's deserving. And by the way, abdoll carters, his
pressures are really really high. Look up his pressures.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Okay, we'll get that.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
It's not getting sacks.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
He's had a couple of sacks wiped out with penalties too.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
He gets a lot of pressure. I mean, the kid
is pretty special, I know, you know, like you know,
I heard heard I heard cow her try to put Yeah,
that's what exactly what I'm doing. I heard cow Herd
try to take take a little little interesting stance against
Michael Parsons, like almost like he's a gimmicky player. Like, no,
he's not. Oh man, he's a generational talent. Both of

(18:43):
them sticks, both sticks sticks, the third sticks to fourth.
They're good. Man. Man, you look at the like like puppies. Huh,
they're good. No, I'm not like puppies. Like well, kind
of like you know lines from the Pride, you know,
we are nitney like lions. Yeah, yeah, we are Nitney lines.
It's a better way of actually saying it. Yeah, well anyway, yeah,

(19:03):
there you go. We gotta win.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
So I'm not going to talk about.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Well, we got to go to a break and I
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Speaker 1 (22:32):
So we got some numbers on Abdul Carter.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yes, although the numbers now are a bit perplexing. So
Abdul Carter is second on the New York Giants a
cod in regards to pressures according to PFF, and he's
nineteenth in the league in pressures.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Now. The only issue I have with this is they
also have his.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Sack numbers at there's one stat that hasn't had four,
that another that has some NFL sack at three and
as we know that he only has half a sack
at least according to our stats.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
So yeah, the report I saw had him leading the
team with pressures, but.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Ryan Burns has uh like one or two more.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
He's close, but yeah, Burns has more again, according to
a PFF has a sack wrong side.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
I don't know, that doesn't matter. I mean I watch him,
I watch what he does. He definitely impacts the game.
He just is not quite because he's not making contact
and well he is making contact with the quarterbacks. He's
just not getting them down, you know. And and there's
there's all a multitude of reasons why. I mean, you're

(23:46):
going on.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
What he's doing off the field.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Maybe maybe all those sleeping and stuff. Then he's been
accused of.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
I don't know about all of that. I mean, I
don't you know.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
That l T treatment.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
I mean he did that. I mean that the report
said he was late for meeting and slepting.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
On well, they said that he was a report recovery
asleep at the team facility and he missed a recent
walk walk through. He responded on social media and said
that he was not asleep, he was actually doing recovery. Nonetheless,
that's on me exclamation point. And then he later posts

(24:24):
that acts when the hate don't work, they start telling lies.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, so that some of LeVar would say, uh, some
would say lies are hate. I mean, so if the
hate don't work, I mean, then that probably meant the
lies weren't working. Maybe maybe it would have been better
to say, yes, that's that's what I That's probably why

(24:52):
I wouldn't say that, because I'm including lies in the
hate gotcha? Yeah, so you know, but I get it.
And also when when throwing out you know, parables or
you know, quotes, you should probably make sure you're in
the right when you're doing it. You know, don't don't

(25:14):
be in a situation where you're being called in the
question over things like being on time and stuff like that.
If it's one thing I know he's learned is to
be on time, Like that's one thing that is a
very very large foundational piece of what we do when
we're in school there, you know, So I don't you know,

(25:35):
I don't know the story. I haven't called the kid. Yeah,
ten minutes, ten minutes early is on time.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
You know. The top three picks in the draft cam
Ward Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
I mean one is productive out of the three, one
is hurt so he can't be productive, and one is
fighting for his life on a team that isn't very good.
I mean, I mean giants aren't very good either. Yeah, yeah,
giants are very good either. But at least he's being
productive in some shape fashion. That's that's measurable.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
We think about that two of the top three picks, uh,
their coaches have already been fired.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
It is true. Now you put it like that, that
puts it in perspective.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
You just get drafted to a bag of crap. They're like, well,
what why is it not playing well?

Speaker 3 (26:26):
And it's like, that's like the ultimate that's the ultimate
double ledged sort of success at at the college level
is that you're going to end up on a crappy team.
I think that's just what it is. So oh well
you got to deal with it. And now you got
to deal with a rookie contract and hope that you

(26:48):
can have good enough seasons with a crappy team to
be able to renew up on second contract.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Well that's the thing, though, is it's actually look it's
Pewter tip to all players who end up getting drafted
to a bad organization. But as a you know, position
player on defense or or you know, whoever you want
to refer to, the one good thing is that if
you just have a lot of production, you're gonna get
that second contract, right like if you have tackle sacks,

(27:16):
do what you need to do, like you're gonna get
that contract. Wins and losses are never attached to any
other player than the quarterback. So you know, he'll be fine.
He's a talented player, he's doing his job. He's just gonna,
you know, get to the quarterback a bit more. But
as you said, people see it, you know, just because
the sacks aren't there, people still see that. And then
by the way, man, why can't I think of old

(27:39):
boy's name who uh who used to play down in
from South Carolina.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
The Van Clyde.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, like he was one that he I don't think
he ever had double digit sacks or maybe once in
his first like kind of rookie deal and that was
like the knock. People are like, well he's you know,
he's just all around good defender, but he doesn't have
quite the sack numbers we want.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
He still got the contract.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah, So he had a couple of good years. I
think he just he fought injuries and he fought expectation,
like he never lived down the tackle against Michigan, never
lived it down. And I get it, believe you me,
like you get you make a signature play and you
get judged by it. You know, that's pretty much the standard.

(28:23):
Like if you're not making that type of play every
other play, you're you're a bus Like you're a bus.
Like literally, that's how a fan like, what what are
you doing? Why are you not going through the line
like that, knocking the dude down and picking the ball
up with one hand? Like what are you doing? Like
that's your standard, That's that's supposed to be your floor,
you know.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
On c Odell Beckham catch never lived it down ever.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah, it's fame. It's fame. Did pretty well for him, though,
I mean he did.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Clowney never had double digit sacks his entire career.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Wow, still going, he's still going on Dallas now. But
two sacks?

Speaker 3 (28:59):
Getting about to say he ain't getting them now, I
tell you that I didn't know and I didn't realize that. Geez.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Yeah in this twelfth season.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Huh some bad news. Oh no, Michael Pennock Junior looks
like he's going to be done for the year. So
the knee injury, They think that there is some acl
damage there. He's obviously dealt with the knee injuries in college,
and so now it looks like Michael Pennick Junior and
Brady were there on the call for what I guess

(29:29):
is going to be his last playing time this year.
They're going to do more testing, but the expectation is
that's going to be a wrap on his season.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
So not man, no, and you feel for him all involved,
but he's been through so many I believe he's haid
both acls redone already. And when that play happened, it
was odd the way he got hitting and went to
the ground. It wasn't like he got twisted up though.

(29:57):
It was the way the knee kind of came forward
and hit the ground, which I believe on the report
they talk about a bone bruise. And then they're still
searching out to see what damage there has been done
to the ACL. But you know, he he left the
game and then he's still on the sideline, so there
was a thought of if he needed to go back,
and he could because I don't believe they had another

(30:19):
quarterback dress besides Cousins who end up coming in the game.
But I think as they find out more probably makes
some sense. I just it's unfortunate. Man, this team needs him.
He's got the ability I think to really stretch the
field vertically, and that's something that they've been trying to
open up more. But you know, without him in there.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
It's tough.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Just feel format because he has had that many starts,
like he's going to be going into year three with
I think twelve starts in his career, and it basically
puts all the eggs in that basket. You know, I
don't know if they're gonna move on from Raheem Morris.
You know, this a team that, remember, this entire organization.

(31:07):
They persuaded Arthur Blank not to go in the direction
of Bill Belichick. There's a prior relationship with with Blank
and Belichick, and this front office kept saying, yeah, if
he comes in, he's gonna change everything and everyone's gonna
get fired, and you know, there was that big fear.
So instead they decided to hire he Morris and this staff,

(31:29):
and we're two years later, and last year they were
one game away from the playoff team and this year
they're not gonna be anywhere close now. Granted again, injuries
have played a big factor, but you gotta hope if
you are you know, Arthur Blank, that you're patient with
all of this because it's it's not gonna get better
the rest of the season.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
I can promise you that.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
I'm trying to figure out what's gone right for them
since they decided to not hire Bill Belichick, like they
made the Kirk Cousins move. Then they went out and
signed and drafted Michael Pennix junior, and it just feels
like not a whole lot's gone right for them since.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
I mean, things weren't going right for them before then
that's how we got to it not going more right,
you know, or more wrong where we are now. It's
been bad.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, but if you have a guy in the building
who's the greatest of all time twice and the owner
wants to hire him, and as Brady pointed out, you've
got others in the front office who were insecure about
their security within losing, within being mediocre, and so they
were like, yeah, we can't hire this guy because this.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
But don't you feel like you dodge the bullet. I mean,
it don't look like Bill Belichick is is where he
was when once was, when he was who he was.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
He mean, he dodged the Bill Belichick Jordan situation. I mean,
is that what you're referring to I don't know. I
mean that it sounds like that's what you're saying, right,
I don't know. Just like there was Bill before.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
As a coach, and now he's got a sidekick.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah yeah, I mean yeah, we was she around when
he was interviewing for the It doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
She was around, he was. She was around when the
season was like springball and all that stuff. So she
was around when everything was getting jumped off. So the
point is is that the way to do feels right
now in life. He's happy. He's happy, and wins and
losses aren't the root of his happiness. While I will

(33:39):
say wins and losses ultimately positioned him to be in
the situation that he's in. But once you've gotten to
a certain point, you've made enough money, your reputation has solidified.
Bill Belichick can go do what he wants to do
in any industry. He can go be a motivational speaker.
He could go be a CEO of a company.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
He was missing Granddad.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Hold on, you're you're gonna claim that Bill belichicks be
a motivational speaker.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah, no way, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
He's gonna. He doesn't have the juice for that. Doesn't
have an energy to.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
That one hundred percent he could because he's we.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
Really want to make sure we're just focused on the
task at hand.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yeah, and uh glaze them.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
We we don't want to get too emotional. Do your
get too high or too down.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Do your job. Trust that the man next year, he
is going to do his job. To do your job.
He shows personality I know inside the NFL, inside it,
I bet.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
And if she's pissing you off, just get somebody younger.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
Hey, listen, why does Jonas always have to throw in
the uh sexual stuff.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
When Mandy Camps is a very real company. And let
me tell you something, well, yeah, say now you they're
braided cod for some reason really really comes out very
well when it's reheated out of the freezer and it's unthalls.
And let me tell you something.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
A little tartar and cocktail sauce goes a long way
with us.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
It takes quite the fisherman. It takes quite the fisherman
to catch that type of.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Com vandicaps box when he was doing the the beat
shots with her.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
He's in a good places, all man, and we went
all off the rails and talking about it. But the
dude's in a good place. I don't know that Bill Belichick. Well,
now if she, if somebody were to get to her
and say, listen, we'll make sure you're getting back. Okay,
We're gonna sit you down and we're going to talk
to you about a very very serious situation here. All right.

(35:47):
We need for you to break Bill's heart. We need
the old evil emperor back. So here's what we're going
to do. All right. We're gonna put it in paper
so Bill can it later on. But you're going to
break up with him for a year, for at least
a year, and then you guys can get back together.

(36:09):
But Bill needs to feel that sting that he felt
when he came into New England for what for his
first run. You're gonna have to leave him alone like that,
because it's like a negotiation. And in my head I
can think of like one hundred dudes during my lifetime.

(36:30):
So the guy that came into the room and talk
to me about here now, and they always had like
a yeah, and they always had like a little bit
of sweat right there on like like the one part
of their their upper lip for some strange reason, don't know,
but everyone that came into the room is like, all right, listen,
listen guys here. So here's what we're going to do.
This is what we're going to do, and and this

(36:51):
is how we're going to do it. They used to
always have like a little like beat a sweat, I
don't know, man, And they always they always shaved. None
of them came with beards, none of them came with
facial Here, my god.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
What's that supposed to be? I feel like that's a
shot at me.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
I don't know. It could be you could end up
being one of them. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
I don't know who they are.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
I don't either. What do you mean by that? Well?
I don't know. I do know.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
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Speaker 6 (38:12):
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sports or entertainment.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Good thing.

Speaker 6 (38:17):
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Speaker 1 (38:20):
You missed it, and for that we turned it over
to our executive producer, the one and only Justin Cooper Good.

Speaker 5 (38:27):
They're lying, Cooper, what guys?

Speaker 8 (38:34):
They're lying?

Speaker 3 (38:35):
All right?

Speaker 5 (38:36):
So you guys were just talking about Abdul Carter being
a bench for the Giants opening series and uh.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
You know Cam Scotts.

Speaker 5 (38:45):
Now there's a lot of stuff going on for the Giants,
but apparently they were having a good time. Did you
see that they were on Monday Night Raw, WWE Monday
Night Raw.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Uh, there was a bit of a scuffle.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
Uh some some comedian, this guy's name, I'm not a
fan of his shoultz And yeah, he was there hanging
out with a bunch of Giants players and there was
a sick.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
Like because the big mustache. What is it you don't
like about?

Speaker 3 (39:14):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (39:15):
I just don't like his uh his vibe. I guess, Okay,
I don't know. I'm just not a fan living about
him as a person. But there was a six six
man tag team match and after the match, the loser
of the match came over and they started talking trash
about scams.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
Too many men, way too many dudes in the in
the ring.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
I agree.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
Uh. They started talking trash to camp scatboy saying that
he can't count and uh then some sang some some
pushing and shoving ensued. A little scuffle over the railing.
Didn't did his leg fall off? And they yeah, That's
That's what I was kind of thinking. You know, it

(39:59):
was he in like crutch. Is there something like a
walking boot?

Speaker 2 (40:02):
No, I think he's healing nicely from what I've seen
on his Instagram.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Really, dang, your search rub or camp Scatterboos follow a
lot of sports. You be shocked.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
She said he's healing up nicely. Like God, that was
a thorough of the explanation. I was trying to tell
Coop about his shoulder.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
He can like dislocate it and then use it to
scratch his chin.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
It's the craziest thing.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
What.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, he has like this extra thing he can pop out.
I'll show it to you during the break like Mel
Gibson and uh lethal weapon.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Think that's supposed to be there.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
That's cool, all right, I got one more thing for you.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
What else? What else?

Speaker 5 (40:45):
So apparently during Shador Sanders NFL debut, his home was
getting burglarized. Uh, this seems to be something that happens
to athletes a lot.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Uh didn't.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
Whatever to go rib dang? Did it ever happen to
either of either of you?

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Guys. I've been robbed by people I know, never from
somebody who broke into my crib. I always always had
They've always been welcomed in.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
I always had them dogs out there waiting for them.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
The dogs knew my people. Hey, bet me
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