July 28, 2023 • 40 mins
It’s a Football Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, and big name injuries are already going down 1 week into training camp with Joe Burrow and Jalen Ramsey. PJ Fleck addresses “baseless allegations’ from soft journalists. Plus, the battle for Dalvin Cook and a gored matador on “ICYMI.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up on a Football Friday, we are going to talk
about some bad news in the NFL. Injuries are back,
but how could it be prevented? Moving forward? We're also
going to talk about one coach in the world of
college football biting back against all the accusations. We've got
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heated words from Robert Sala in response to extremely heated
words in print from one Sean Payton. We're going to
have the very latest on the Colorado move to the
Big twelve, and we got the usual shenanigans like in
case you missed it, We've got some over.
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Bro, Bro, Oh yeah, throw that chalk on your hands.
Let it cake up on the blisters that are already there. Eh,
grab some one fives and start throwing it around. Well,
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it's a callous it's a callous if you work out once,
you keep working out on it. It's a blister. I
deal with blisters. That's why I operate soft hands. That's
not true, and you know what that's insulting you start.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Off like that, very soft hands.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Little soft boy, A little soft hand, boy.
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I forgot to tell you guys this. This is important stuff,
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especially today. Okay, what it's a football Friday.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Come on, Come on, it's Friday.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Come on, Brady.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Yeah, the thing is so so this is what Jonas does.
Jonas takes something and then we kind of evolved to
something else, but he wants to take it back to
like the very first iteration of it. I did have
a second iteration. I have no way better one too.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I have no control for that being played. All right,
you got to talk to Lee Marc is with us today.
There's been a lot of transitioning going on here.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
You know, Jonas, let me interrupt there, because Q is right,
you run the show.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
It's your show.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
So if you're going to transition us into a new song,
in a way of doing it.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
You can't go back to the old one. Excuses.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
First of all, don't you just can't be any excuses?
First of all, don't you think I would be an
expert in transitioning? All right, so I know clearly what
I'm doing when it comes to this stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
And I had nothing to do with one song.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
What exactly does that mean? Exactly?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Did noting to do with the fact that there was
another Football Friday song that was thrown in that is
not being played anymore.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I have nothing to do with that. It's not my
not my call here.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I'm a passenger, not a driver.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
All them pre show meetings you have with Lee and
I just don't know. You should be on the same page.
Little soft sad, little soft hands boy.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
All right, so let's get into just what is man.
You can't even get a week into the NFL season
or training camp for the NFL season, and already we
got some bad news. Joe Burrow strained calf, goes down,
gets helped to a card at practice yesterday. They're calling
it the strain. Maybe nothing serious to be looking at,
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but he did have goodness and he had the sleeve
already on there. So is this something that he was
dealing with previously that flared up again? And then Jalen
Ramsey maybe the more serious that we know of right now.
So he suffered a torn meniscus. It's going to require surgery.
He's going to be out I'm seeing six to eight weeks,
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but he's going to miss the start of training camp
or the start of the season. So right off the bat,
you've got two superstar players in the AFC who both
go down with injuries, and it just feels like same
old story. Right when you think you know what's going
to happen in the NFL, stuff like this gets thrown
in your lap, but it completely potentially changes the course
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of both these teams as they head into the season.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
So you know, and I know, I think the NFL
and nf NFLPA maybe wants to look at I mean,
coaches have talked about this, not that they really get
a say and basically anything, which is one of the
most surprising things when you look at the difference between
the NFL and college football. Coaches have so much more
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of a say in how things kind of operate, whether
it could be recruiting windows, whether it could be you know,
transfer portal windows, or just the calendar year in general,
it seems like college football takes into account coaches more
so than the NFL. And the reason why I bring
this up is coaches have always had an issue with
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the NFL calendar and how it's slated. It doesn't really
make sense if you think about it. Okay, so you
go into an off season program like season ends, You
go on off seas in program used to be back
in March. Now it's April, okay, and you kind of
start with some light stuff. You can't even do really
anything on the field football wise, it's all like conditionings,
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you know, strength stuff, and then you get into having
these practices that aren't even padded. All right, you got
OTA's offseason trading activities, and these are not even padded practices.
You can't hit camp, bang, can't do the things that
you actually need to practice and do. But during a
period of time during the year, what really doesn't matter. Right,
you're in May, you're into June. Then you got this
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three day mini camp. Okay, then you have six weeks
off in some cases six weeks, and then you have
a sudden ramp and hit right into training camp where
you've got some preseason games. In some cases, teams go
to camp, they're playing a game, a meaningful like preseason
game to somebody's back into the roster guys in two
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and a half weeks. It's kind of bizarre if you
actually think about it, like you'd rather have your play
build up to something instead of have them come in,
start to build up to something and then be off
for six weeks and then go right back into this
intense environment that is training camp. And so I know
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a lot of coaches would like to see them maybe
get more time off during the spring and then have
these guys come back where you don't have that six
week layoff and you're getting guys in camp and you're
not easing them into it because they've already been eased
into it six weeks prior. So I think it's something
the NFL should really look at because the first two
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weeks of camp, every player, every coach will tell you
there's always soft tissue injuries, There's always issues that pop up,
and these are the sorts of things that can literally
derail an entire season, especially when you're talking about a
player like Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Adam Schefter sent a tweet out yesterday. Sorry to jump
in LeVar, but he sent a tweet out that he
texted with an NFL head coach, and the coach said
the exact same thing. I hate the first two weeks
of training camp. They need to restructure the off season.
So it is something that you don't hear a lot about,
but apparently there's you know, a ground swallow of people
looking at it, going why are we doing this the
way we're doing it?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And so now you got.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Two Logistically, I leave that up to the expert of
one Brady Quinn, but I'll say this, first first glance
at the way Joe Burrow pulled up, I immediately thought
about how I pulled up when I posish really's tended?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
It didn't look good man, because it's immediately you just
don't want to put any pressure down on on your
on your foot.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
But if it's a if it's a.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Strain, then that's it's obviously that's a tear. Two by
the way, but if people didn't know that strength slight, slight,
minor tears or whatever. But I do hope that it's
it's it's it's minor in nature. But when you think
about compensating and dealing with different different body part issues,
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especially weight bearing body parts, it's it's very it's very
difficult to get to a place of where you don't
possibly get a more serious injury further down the road,
especially if you are pushing to get back out there
and get back on the field. So now I think,
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you know, for my focus on on just looking at
these injuries, even for Jalen Ramsey, because I also had
to deal with meniscus issues as well. That was actually
the death of my career was I kept splitting my
cartilage at some point during during practice or during a game,
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like I would make movements and I would split split cartilage,
and so I would have to go get scopes with
both injuries, whether it's soft tissue for his his calf,
or getting getting through the recovery of the meniscus tear
and that repair and them cleaning it up, which is
them basically going in and shaving away what would look
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like fingernails hanging from from your knee, the sponge of
your knee. Basically, they they got to shave that down
and smooth that out.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
There's there's a recovery.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
There's a recovery time where you really really have to
allow for that need to calm down and to feel better,
and then there's also the strengthening and conditioning of that meat.
So so Jalen Ramsey's going to have to to make
sure that he's very very you know, diligent and in
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how he goes through his recovery process. Even though these
types of injuries are actually more more minor considered to
be more minor or you know nowadays, but he's still
going to have to make sure that his body is
is really filling back to normal because he's getting older
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and I think that the injuries the opportunity for for
more serious injuries, you're you're more likely to be in
those type of scenarios the older you get in getting
those smaller injuries that kind of create that overcompensating. I
had so much cartilage removed that my knee was was
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not on balance the way that it was before I
started getting it, you know, shaved up, and then you
know you.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Have little holes.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
They take X rays and MRIs and you start to
see where there's holes in your cartilage and stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
It's it's real, it's real intense.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
And again then flipping back to Joe Burrow, you just
don't want to take a if it is indeed just
a calf strain, you gotta make sure that that you're
you're doing everything that you possibly can to keep keep
them stretched out, to keep keep that that calf as
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really as as healthy and as what they say, as
sumple as you possibly can, because it can go. You
know that that achilles tended can go, and if it pops,
you know that's that's it for the year. So that
was the first the first thing I thought about when
I started hearing the types of injuries that were taking
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place was My concern was, you know, it's interesting because
I thought about you Q, because I was like, I
wonder if it's the cleats or what you're going to
be the turf one wants to well, I mean they
were on grass I think for Burroughs practice, right, yeah, yeah,
I mean the Jalen Ramsey injury. I look at it
and go, it's all fun and games trying to cover
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Tyreek Hill or whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I was just gonna say that we've seen video of
the Burrow injury. I've looked for the Jalen Ramsey injury.
I don't see it anywhere. But the way it's detailed
is that he became tangled up with Tyreek Hill, and
I just wonder if Tyreek Hill put him on skates
and maybe that's what led to this.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
And maybe oh, you're saying that he put him on
skates so they don't want to show it on Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
You know, maybe I mean like like grabbed him up.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
And maybe Jalen Ramsey's agent might have a couple of
comments on it at some point, you know, since he
has a lot of comments on a lot of things.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
He does well at least post a photo probably do.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
You think he'll post a photo with him post.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Surgery surgery, right, well, I don't know because after surgery
it's not like a tough, hard photo, so he probably
won't be like there for him. Then he'll just be
there for him when there's like a Twitter.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Is he is he going to be holding up Jalen
Ramsey's meniscus gone did it today and just hashtag something
and posted on Instagram.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
At looking Yeah, meniscus here stupid.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
He'll be acting like he did it like the searcher.
He's gonna happen now, that would makes sense. He'll be
stated hard with the orthopedic like at a mast. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
we did it.
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the show with you Iny you out per usual and
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But we do have ourselves, some strong words, allegations, some
stuff being said about one team in the world of football,
and their coach has some answers you'll hear from him next.
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Over twenty minutes from now here on Fox Sports Radio.
We are going to talk about what is heating up?
What is heating up in the NFL. It is a
conversation that continues on involving one star player, a multiple
time Pro bowler, So we could have a rivalry renewed
in the NFL. We'll get into that for you here
coming up in a little over twenty minutes from now
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on Fox Sports Radio. So there's been some allegations this
according to Front Office Sports. This popped up earlier this
week allegations from former Minnesota football players on PJ. Fleck,
the Head coach and the culture there at Minnesota. You
know a lot of stuff about you know, just the
mental anguish they feel, and just sort of all the
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other stuff that goes on there and PJ Fleck and
this culture in Minnesota and all the other stuff that
comes along with it per usual.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
And so PJ.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Flex spoke yesterday and defended himself and defended the program.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Let's take a listen to the golfers coach.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
These allegations are baseless. We have full support of our
athletic director Mark Coyle and our university leadership. This is
a similar story that gets peddled every single year, and
the majority of the players have been dismissed or remove
from our football team. Our program and culture has proven
to work on and off the field and has always
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done in a first class manner.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
We're one of the most transparent programs in the country.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
There are tons of testimonials from past, present, and even
future Gophers to support and prove that my energy needs
to be on the twenty twenty three football team and
that only and not the baseless allegations.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
So there was PJ.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Fleck, the head coach of Minnesota, responding to these allegations.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
So a couple things here for starters. Love the fact
that this this allegation came out. This article was written
by Front Office Sports, and for those of you with
that haven't read it, I would advise you to please
read it because you're gonna understand why I'm gonna say
what I'm gonna say next. Okay, there is nothing in
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this article. This article is truly baseless. It cites anonymous
sources with I mean, and I'm not always saying that
you need to put a source in that has to
be cited, but the entire article is based on quotes
from anonymous sources. And if you look at it, for
anyone who's been in an athletic environment of any sort,
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you're literally laughing. That's how big of a joke this is.
This actually makes Front Office Sports, which I have no
idea what that is or who that is, look like
a joke. The fact that they would write this, and
it really speaks to where journalism is nowadays, and it's
lost because this is an example of a website. Again,
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I don't even know who Front Office Sports is, but
just trying to write off the code tales of what
was a difficult conversations in regards to the hazing allegations
and culture at Northwestern and there's a I guess a
website that wants to look for another, another scandal, another
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whatever you want to call it. And this was by
far and away one of the worst pieces of an
article that I've ever seen written to try to villainize
a coach like PJ. Fleck, who it doesn't matter if
you're a fan of his methods or not. He is
as upfront about what he believes and how he runs
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his program as anyone you will find. And then look,
it's not for everyone. His whole row the boat mantra.
There's a story behind it, and when you hear that story,
you understand exactly why he feels the way he does
and why he lives life and coaches the way he does.
And so I have an issue with where we are
in society right now, where we've given a microphone or
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a soapbox to a bunch of people who sign up
for something like in this case, and this actually dates
back to twenty seventeen when PJ. Fleck got there. There's
some people who got pushed out of the program because
they couldn't handle it, they didn't want to work hard.
They didn't want to sign up for what he was
asking them to do, and that's fine. There's nothing wrong
with people who quit or move on. It might not
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be the right environment for you, that's okay. You know,
when you go through different levels from high school to
college college the NFL of sports and athleticism, there's different
levels of intensity and there's gonna be different things that
are asked of you. And if you really want to
push past the brink to make yourself better and to
get to a point where you don't even believe you
can go where your coaches have to push you past
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that mentally and physically, it's going to be uncomfortable. You're
probably not going to like it. You might want to
quit at times. That's part of it. And the fact
that now we give a bunch of people who couldn't
cut it. They didn't like it, it felt uncomfortable, and
we give them a microphone to let them say whatever
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they want and bash guys who to ninety five and
ninety nine percent of the players support that coach, believe
in what they're trying to do, the fact that we're
giving them a microphone to me, tells you everything you
need to know about today's journalism is we're just looking
for any little negative article, any little thing. If you
go to any company or corporation around America, you could
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find somebody who doesn't like their company. You could find
someone who would call their their culture toxic, or or
the fact that they have slogans or mantra a cult,
or the fact that, like, for example, one of the
allegations that was made was they punished with them with conditioning.
Oh really, are you kidding? Like, Hey, how about this.
Let's have a competition. Loser has to do suicides if
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you don't make enough free throws. We've never heard that before.
We've never heard a coach have to say, loser's got
a condition a little extra. It's always been a part
of stuff. It's it's part of teaching people the reward
of winning, teaching people the reward of competition. I mean,
it's just it's crazy to me to see how we've
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allowed journalism to get to a point where as a
society we have to start throwing this stuff aside and
start stop legitimizing, whether it's Front Office Sports or any
other website or or company that does this. Because it's
BS and it's it's sending us in a really really
it's sending us not.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
A really slippery slope. Here goes the saying. Hard times
create hard men. Heart men create easy times. Easy times
create soft men. Soft men create hard times. I'm I'm
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told I've been on this narrative for a while now
with what you're saying, c'm I've been Listen. Everybody struggles
and suffers with mental anguish. You don't have to be
an athlete, you don't have to be a football player.
And when you think about, like just historically speaking, the
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one sport that you can always count on there being
a coach that is of that type of ilk, that
type of way is.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Always going to be football.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
My first, my first and doctor nation into football culture
was at eight years old, and the mentality of the
coaches was that it was very intense and it was
no nonsense, it was no bsing, it was just it
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was it was all about getting getting these kids ready
to play ball at.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
A youth level.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
And you all, you ultimately understand that coaches are going
to be like it's always been an age old thing.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
It's like the.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Closest thing to the military. So you're dealing with you're
dealing with a military type of environment with what you're doing,
So you're going to do things that are uncomfortable. You're
going to do things that are going to challenge your
mental and emotional stability. You're going to do all of
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those things or you're going to go through those things
when you're in competition. But the bottom line is you're
going to go through those things.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
In life.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
You ever find yourself wondering how you're going to pay
your next bill, You ever find yourself wondering if you're
healthy enough to get up and go do the job
that you have to go do. Imagine being somebody who's
working on a building, a skyscraper, Imagine somebody who's working
on the highway. Imagine being a law enforcement personal or
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a person that is is taking care of us as
a first responder, a fireman, a fire person.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
You know, the whole.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Idea of it is is that you got to show up,
and you start to learn that in life. To be
successful in life, you got to show up. And so
to me, when when I think about you know, when
guys come out and unless I know for certain and
you can show without a reasonable doubt, without a doubt
at all really that.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
It's almost like to me, it would need to be.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
You might go down the road to saying it's abuse,
like I have been around people who are abusive with
the power that they hold in the power that they
have as as coaches, as people of authority. But even
with that, there's a way to go about doing it.
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There's there's a process and how in which you go
about doing it.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
And to me, more often than not, you.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
See guys that don't have things work out the way
that they would want it to work out, especially these days,
things don't work out the way that you would want
to work out, and it has to be something else's fault.
It has to be someone else's fault. There has to
be a reason outside of yourself that there's there's no accountability. No,
that's the probability. We know, real accountability.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
When we look at society and how we handle a
lot of things, we completely remove accountability of the individual.
And and that's my biggest issue. Like any any debate
conversation you want to have about anything right now, for me,
it always starts with, Okay, what's my own accountability? You know,
like I'm not going to point the finger at someone
else or anything else. If I if I can't be
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accountable for my actions, for my thoughts, for what I've said,
And it starts there and then. And that's the problem
is there's so many people out there that aren't being
taught that, especially young young people, they're not being they're
not being taught that. You know. For example, again, it's
going to be tough if you want to get where
you want to go. Like people act like college football
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is easy just because you are a three star, four star, five,
whatever you were. It's not easy. It's not. And that's
part of and that's a part of the respect of it.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
I was just at our event yesterday, right, I was
at our fundraising event yesterday. And when when a former
player or current players greet one another, it's different than
when a regular civilian greets greets one of an athlete
greets a player. There is something to be said about
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one a me as a former player, knowing what you're
going through as a current player, be what you as
a current player, know what I went through as a
former player, or both right, as a current player and
a current player, we know what we're going through as
two former players. We know what we went through there's
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something to be said. There's a respect of pride. My
captain spoke before me, Brandon Short spoke to the group
before I got up, spoke to the group, and the
things that he said about me, they almost bring me
to tears when I hear them. If we don't go
through suffering, yes, people suffering, If we don't go through persevering, perseverance, yes, persevering.
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If you don't go through emotional and mental fatigue, you
never build the bonds that are strong enough to last
a lifetime. And for the people that never push themselves
to that or engage in those type of activities to
experience that, I feel for you because I could never
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imagine not being the person that I've become through the
development and the hard times that I've had to go
through in my life. And those are badges of honor,
and a lot of people just aren't up for that
these days.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Aren't you grateful?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Is what it is.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Aren't you guys grateful for Because I look back at
that and I go my parents.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
My parents are really strict.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
And I had a whole coaches that I thought, man,
those guys were jerks at the time playing football, and
I sucked so there was a lot to complain about.
But I can't think of one time in which they
really got on me, either coaches or or my parents
or somebody that loved me. I can't think of one
time that they were wrong about it. I go back
and I go, yeah, they had a point, like that
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was true. I needed to get better.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
And but Jonas, even if they were wrong, even if
you don't like, I have coaches that I don't like.
I've talked about it on the show, but you you
can't stand, Dale lindsay, you can't standing, but you know what, Hey,
but you know what, it served a purpose. It served
a purpose, and and Dale Lindsey isn't going to dictate
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my outcome. Gods, it comes back to what Q said.
It's the self accountability. I am going to hold myself
to that standard and that level to still show up
and do what I need to do.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Whatever happened to, you need to get better, And I'm
not gonna be nice about it sometimes I need to
be stern and I need to let you know that
this is how you get better. Like whatever happened to
just hard coaching, hard parenting. And I feel like the
abuse term has been stretched way too thin, like we're
(29:32):
now spreading it out over every single interaction, when all
it is is trying to teach and learn. And that's
a big difference between that and flat out abuse. And
there's been abuse, and we've seen examples of it, and
all of that is legit and all that should be
taken seriously, but hard coaching doesn't always mean that it's abuse.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
That's well, that's that's part of the issue is that
there's there's two ways of rules of thought, when when
you're a parent, when you're a coach, when you're someone
who's in charge. And that's really what this is like.
So people understand a lot of coaches feel like they
take over as a father figure in a way when
we're talking about football, because they are they're with these
(30:12):
young men for four nowadays five maybe six years. I
mean there's literally kids playing six years of college football
more than ever before. But they're they're with them for
a long period of time through a pretty formidable time
of their life where they're going to develop from a
teenager and a young man and go into the you know,
the working world, either as a professional athlete or not.
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And a lot of the you know, foundation of what
they believe and how they conduct themselves and what they're
able to achieve is formed during this period of time.
And I think a lot of coaches, you know, they
take that and they understand that this is regardless of
what people think because of what coaches get paid. All
these guys realize the responsibility they have and they all
(30:58):
understand that I have to prepare them for life, and
so I can be hard on them now and hopefully
life will be easier. Much like we always talk about
how you want practicely harder than the actual game, Right,
That's kind of what it's like in sports, Like sports
are they're a tool, they're a resource to help you
to deal with life because life is harsh man and
(31:23):
there's a lot of people who, you know, they want
sports to be easy and soft and they want it
to be comfortable. That's not it. I mean, LeVar touched
on it like there's suffering in life, Like there's going
to be hard times and you've got to figure out
a way to work through adversity instead of just allowing
it to each you up and make you continue to
go down to a downward spire or a terrible path.
(31:44):
And so a lot of these you know, coaches and
people who are influences. They're using the game, whatever that
may be, football or whatever else to help prepare you
for that, to prepare you for being a dad one day,
or a husband, or what happens when you have fire
from your job. You know, they're preparing you for all
these things. How you need to respond to adversity. And
(32:06):
it's not going to be comfortable. They're going to push
you past your limits, or there's gonna be someone there
who's gonna help push you past your limits or challenge you.
And that's a good thing. But we're not allowing our society.
We're not allowing people to feel uncomfortable or feel like
they're being pushed to your point, Jonas, it's now being categorized, well,
that's abuse. No, it's not, Jonas. You work out all
(32:28):
the time, right, yes, and there's times where you like,
you know, if you want to get stronger, if you
want to look a certain way, you have to push
yourself past what you want to do. There's people who
probably already worked out today, are going to work out.
I've worked out yet, going to work out. There will
be times when I want to quit. There will be
times when I'm like, I don't really want to do this,
but you have to push yourself past that mentally or
(32:49):
have someone there who's willing to do that and help
you push you past that. Right.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, And number one time have I been done working
out and been like, ah, God, I wish I didn't
do that. You're proud of yourself, like, hey, I accomplished
something today. It's the smallest thing. But then they always
talk about it like start your day with a victory.
Don't hit the snooze button, like let that be the
first one, and it goes into and it just sort
of snowballs into the rest of your day. And but
(33:15):
you can't do that anymore because you got to let
people sleep in, and if you don't let him sleep in,
then it's considered abuse apparently. And you know, you can't
say row the boat and some of the other acronyms
that PJ.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Fleck uses, because you.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Know what, you know, one of the best parts was is, uh,
it's so coach Flack and I were talking with another
another couple of coaches, and he's like and then they
kind of transition into like a well, hey, all right,
just he said to one of the coaches. Just don't
use this against me in recruiting. He's like, I already
heard from one of the coach. He's like, oh, there's
another thing I could use in consumer recruiting. Like that's
That's kind of the funny thing now, too, is like
(33:48):
it gets to the point where you're like, yeah, I mean,
these guys, as much as you joke about it, it's
now something that another coach will trying to use against
them in recruiting, just just because front Off is sports.
You know, go ahead and goes ahead and runs with
an article.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I wouldn't go they rowed the boat. We don't even
believe in boats. In this program, I would get there.
It is two pros and a cup of joe here
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But for all the latest from around the world of sports.
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The Man from the.
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Mean streets of Honolulu and Tuscaloosa, Yes there are.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
I did not grow up?
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Is your mom from U Birmingham?
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Yeah?
Speaker 7 (34:52):
Yeah, visited a couple of times, but no, no, but
it does makes me seem pretty excited. Those are a
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Last Dame Garcia boarded Wyki Ki mom from Birmingham.
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Lot going on there.
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It's amazing what happens when you've got parents in the military.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
We were right a little bit.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
But we'll get some news from the NFL, and it
looks like the Cincinnati Bengals probably dodged a bullet with
quarterback Joe Burrow being carted off the field after suffering
a non contact injury to his right leg and practice.
The report is a strained calf, not expected to effect
Burrow for the start of the regular season. Same can't
be said for Miami Dolphins star corner Jalen Ramsey also
carted off the field Thursday, but he's been diagnosed with
(35:35):
a torn meniscus in his knee. It's going to require
surgery expected miss at least six to eight weeks, and
that means he'll likely miss the start of the regular season.
In baseball, just five games, but they included a double
header between the Angels and the Tigers. Now the Angels
won both games, thanks almost solely to their star Showo Tani.
They won the first game six to nothing. Otani on
the mound, tosses a complete game shutout. He allowed one
(35:58):
hit with eight strikeouts, and then they won the second
eleven to four, with Otawny hitting a couple of homers.
He leads the major leagues with thirty eight and the
Angels and now just three games out of a wildcard
spot in the American League. Guardians beat the White Sox
sixty three, Cleveland moves the game and at back of
idle Minnesota for the top spot in the AL Central.
He had the Mets over the Nationals two to one,
New York trading closer David Robertson after the game to
the Marlins for a couple of minor leaguers, and the
(36:19):
Cubs beat the Cardinals ten to three. College football, one
day after the Big Twelve voted unanimously to accept the
University of Colorado into the conference. The school's board of
regents unanimously voted to join the conference beginning with the
twenty four to twenty.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Five school year.
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Speaker 8 (38:19):
Good morning, everybody, Good morning, Jonas, good morning, Brady, Good morning, LeVar.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Guys.
Speaker 8 (38:24):
In case you missed this, everyone uh still has eyes
on Dalvincook the free agents.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I like that one.
Speaker 8 (38:34):
Well, he's book l he's on his way to visit
with the New York Jets. But not only that, the
Patriots are working on bringing in Dalvincook after his visit
with New York.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Come on, go to New England. You know they could
use a break.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
You know they lost out on d Hop like bringing
Dalvin Cook, give him some star power, help out the offense.
Let's go Dalvin, Come on the Jets, get everybody, go
to New England.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Don't you get would't you rather see I'd.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Jest so I think I think it'd be fun to
see him in that backfield. I mean, it's kind of
be a loaded team. Maybe that team can actually someone
can actually compete with with the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Meanwhile, it's it's too bad that New England just can't
catch a break. You know, they keep losing out on
all these star players, just having to do it the
hard way. I'm rooting for Belichick this year. I'm not
gonna let some of these haters out here try and
steer him into early retirement.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
It's disgusting, wasn't that you earlier this offseason?
Speaker 1 (39:34):
I don't want to talk about it, but that's not
eating neither here nor there.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
I just thought it was you who kept prompting the
whole like, hey, let's you know Belichick hot seat? You
know it happened.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Misquoted, totally misquoted here in the air. Interesting what else
we got, guys.
Speaker 8 (39:49):
We've talked a lot about Lionel Messi over the last
few weeks. But in case you missed it, the Messy
of Matadors, as he's often known, bullfighting star Andres Rocca
Ray was gored by a on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I don't know if you saw this or not in Spain.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Wow. No, I wasn't looking up people being gorded by
a ball. I missed.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
That's why we're here, man.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
In case you missed him, Brady, that's what happened. Yeah,
I got by Maddy. Uh yeah, that's uh. How does
he go to the best?
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Well, he's no messy.
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going to talk about one coach in the world of
college football biting back against all the accusations. We've got
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words in print from one Sean Payton. We're going to
have the very latest on the Colorado move to the
Big twelve, and we got the usual shenanigans like in
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Let it cake up on the blisters that are already there. Eh,
grab some one fives and start throwing it around. Well,
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you keep working out on it. It's a blister. I
deal with blisters. That's why I operate soft hands. That's
not true, and you know what that's insulting you start.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Off like that, very soft hands.
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especially today. Okay, what it's a football Friday.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Come on, Come on, it's Friday.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Come on, Brady.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Yeah, the thing is so so this is what Jonas does.
Jonas takes something and then we kind of evolved to
something else, but he wants to take it back to
like the very first iteration of it. I did have
a second iteration. I have no way better one too.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I have no control for that being played. All right,
you got to talk to Lee Marc is with us today.
There's been a lot of transitioning going on here.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
You know, Jonas, let me interrupt there, because Q is right,
you run the show.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
It's your show.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
So if you're going to transition us into a new song,
in a way of doing it.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
You can't go back to the old one. Excuses.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
First of all, don't you just can't be any excuses?
First of all, don't you think I would be an
expert in transitioning? All right, so I know clearly what
I'm doing when it comes to this stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
And I had nothing to do with one song.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
What exactly does that mean? Exactly?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Did noting to do with the fact that there was
another Football Friday song that was thrown in that is
not being played anymore.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I have nothing to do with that. It's not my
not my call here.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I'm a passenger, not a driver.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
All them pre show meetings you have with Lee and
I just don't know. You should be on the same page.
Little soft sad, little soft hands boy.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
All right, so let's get into just what is man.
You can't even get a week into the NFL season
or training camp for the NFL season, and already we
got some bad news. Joe Burrow strained calf, goes down,
gets helped to a card at practice yesterday. They're calling
it the strain. Maybe nothing serious to be looking at,
(04:21):
but he did have goodness and he had the sleeve
already on there. So is this something that he was
dealing with previously that flared up again? And then Jalen
Ramsey maybe the more serious that we know of right now.
So he suffered a torn meniscus. It's going to require surgery.
He's going to be out I'm seeing six to eight weeks,
(04:41):
but he's going to miss the start of training camp
or the start of the season. So right off the bat,
you've got two superstar players in the AFC who both
go down with injuries, and it just feels like same
old story. Right when you think you know what's going
to happen in the NFL, stuff like this gets thrown
in your lap, but it completely potentially changes the course
(05:03):
of both these teams as they head into the season.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
So you know, and I know, I think the NFL
and nf NFLPA maybe wants to look at I mean,
coaches have talked about this, not that they really get
a say and basically anything, which is one of the
most surprising things when you look at the difference between
the NFL and college football. Coaches have so much more
(05:26):
of a say in how things kind of operate, whether
it could be recruiting windows, whether it could be you know,
transfer portal windows, or just the calendar year in general,
it seems like college football takes into account coaches more
so than the NFL. And the reason why I bring
this up is coaches have always had an issue with
(05:49):
the NFL calendar and how it's slated. It doesn't really
make sense if you think about it. Okay, so you
go into an off season program like season ends, You
go on off seas in program used to be back
in March. Now it's April, okay, and you kind of
start with some light stuff. You can't even do really
anything on the field football wise, it's all like conditionings,
(06:10):
you know, strength stuff, and then you get into having
these practices that aren't even padded. All right, you got
OTA's offseason trading activities, and these are not even padded practices.
You can't hit camp, bang, can't do the things that
you actually need to practice and do. But during a
period of time during the year, what really doesn't matter. Right,
you're in May, you're into June. Then you got this
(06:32):
three day mini camp. Okay, then you have six weeks
off in some cases six weeks, and then you have
a sudden ramp and hit right into training camp where
you've got some preseason games. In some cases, teams go
to camp, they're playing a game, a meaningful like preseason
game to somebody's back into the roster guys in two
(06:53):
and a half weeks. It's kind of bizarre if you
actually think about it, like you'd rather have your play
build up to something instead of have them come in,
start to build up to something and then be off
for six weeks and then go right back into this
intense environment that is training camp. And so I know
(07:16):
a lot of coaches would like to see them maybe
get more time off during the spring and then have
these guys come back where you don't have that six
week layoff and you're getting guys in camp and you're
not easing them into it because they've already been eased
into it six weeks prior. So I think it's something
the NFL should really look at because the first two
(07:36):
weeks of camp, every player, every coach will tell you
there's always soft tissue injuries, There's always issues that pop up,
and these are the sorts of things that can literally
derail an entire season, especially when you're talking about a
player like Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Adam Schefter sent a tweet out yesterday. Sorry to jump
in LeVar, but he sent a tweet out that he
texted with an NFL head coach, and the coach said
the exact same thing. I hate the first two weeks
of training camp. They need to restructure the off season.
So it is something that you don't hear a lot about,
but apparently there's you know, a ground swallow of people
looking at it, going why are we doing this the
way we're doing it?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And so now you got.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Two Logistically, I leave that up to the expert of
one Brady Quinn, but I'll say this, first first glance
at the way Joe Burrow pulled up, I immediately thought
about how I pulled up when I posish really's tended?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
It didn't look good man, because it's immediately you just
don't want to put any pressure down on on your
on your foot.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
But if it's a if it's a.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Strain, then that's it's obviously that's a tear. Two by
the way, but if people didn't know that strength slight, slight,
minor tears or whatever. But I do hope that it's
it's it's it's minor in nature. But when you think
about compensating and dealing with different different body part issues,
(09:08):
especially weight bearing body parts, it's it's very it's very
difficult to get to a place of where you don't
possibly get a more serious injury further down the road,
especially if you are pushing to get back out there
and get back on the field. So now I think,
(09:31):
you know, for my focus on on just looking at
these injuries, even for Jalen Ramsey, because I also had
to deal with meniscus issues as well. That was actually
the death of my career was I kept splitting my
cartilage at some point during during practice or during a game,
(09:51):
like I would make movements and I would split split cartilage,
and so I would have to go get scopes with
both injuries, whether it's soft tissue for his his calf,
or getting getting through the recovery of the meniscus tear
and that repair and them cleaning it up, which is
them basically going in and shaving away what would look
(10:16):
like fingernails hanging from from your knee, the sponge of
your knee. Basically, they they got to shave that down
and smooth that out.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
There's there's a recovery.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
There's a recovery time where you really really have to
allow for that need to calm down and to feel better,
and then there's also the strengthening and conditioning of that meat.
So so Jalen Ramsey's going to have to to make
sure that he's very very you know, diligent and in
(10:51):
how he goes through his recovery process. Even though these
types of injuries are actually more more minor considered to
be more minor or you know nowadays, but he's still
going to have to make sure that his body is
is really filling back to normal because he's getting older
(11:11):
and I think that the injuries the opportunity for for
more serious injuries, you're you're more likely to be in
those type of scenarios the older you get in getting
those smaller injuries that kind of create that overcompensating. I
had so much cartilage removed that my knee was was
(11:33):
not on balance the way that it was before I
started getting it, you know, shaved up, and then you
know you.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Have little holes.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
They take X rays and MRIs and you start to
see where there's holes in your cartilage and stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
It's it's real, it's real intense.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
And again then flipping back to Joe Burrow, you just
don't want to take a if it is indeed just
a calf strain, you gotta make sure that that you're
you're doing everything that you possibly can to keep keep
them stretched out, to keep keep that that calf as
(12:09):
really as as healthy and as what they say, as
sumple as you possibly can, because it can go. You
know that that achilles tended can go, and if it pops,
you know that's that's it for the year. So that
was the first the first thing I thought about when
I started hearing the types of injuries that were taking
(12:30):
place was My concern was, you know, it's interesting because
I thought about you Q, because I was like, I
wonder if it's the cleats or what you're going to
be the turf one wants to well, I mean they
were on grass I think for Burroughs practice, right, yeah, yeah,
I mean the Jalen Ramsey injury. I look at it
and go, it's all fun and games trying to cover
(12:51):
Tyreek Hill or whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I was just gonna say that we've seen video of
the Burrow injury. I've looked for the Jalen Ramsey injury.
I don't see it anywhere. But the way it's detailed
is that he became tangled up with Tyreek Hill, and
I just wonder if Tyreek Hill put him on skates
and maybe that's what led to this.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
And maybe oh, you're saying that he put him on
skates so they don't want to show it on Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
You know, maybe I mean like like grabbed him up.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
And maybe Jalen Ramsey's agent might have a couple of
comments on it at some point, you know, since he
has a lot of comments on a lot of things.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
He does well at least post a photo probably do.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
You think he'll post a photo with him post.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Surgery surgery, right, well, I don't know because after surgery
it's not like a tough, hard photo, so he probably
won't be like there for him. Then he'll just be
there for him when there's like a Twitter.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Is he is he going to be holding up Jalen
Ramsey's meniscus gone did it today and just hashtag something
and posted on Instagram.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
At looking Yeah, meniscus here stupid.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
He'll be acting like he did it like the searcher.
He's gonna happen now, that would makes sense. He'll be
stated hard with the orthopedic like at a mast. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
we did it.
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We here, we did it. It is two pros and
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We're gonna get to an hour two, gonna finish up
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But we do have ourselves, some strong words, allegations, some
stuff being said about one team in the world of football,
and their coach has some answers you'll hear from him next.
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We are going to talk about what is heating up?
What is heating up in the NFL. It is a
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coming up in a little over twenty minutes from now
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on Fox Sports Radio. So there's been some allegations this
according to Front Office Sports. This popped up earlier this
week allegations from former Minnesota football players on PJ. Fleck,
the Head coach and the culture there at Minnesota. You
know a lot of stuff about you know, just the
mental anguish they feel, and just sort of all the
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other stuff that goes on there and PJ Fleck and
this culture in Minnesota and all the other stuff that
comes along with it per usual.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
And so PJ.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Flex spoke yesterday and defended himself and defended the program.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Let's take a listen to the golfers coach.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
These allegations are baseless. We have full support of our
athletic director Mark Coyle and our university leadership. This is
a similar story that gets peddled every single year, and
the majority of the players have been dismissed or remove
from our football team. Our program and culture has proven
to work on and off the field and has always
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done in a first class manner.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
We're one of the most transparent programs in the country.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
There are tons of testimonials from past, present, and even
future Gophers to support and prove that my energy needs
to be on the twenty twenty three football team and
that only and not the baseless allegations.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
So there was PJ.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Fleck, the head coach of Minnesota, responding to these allegations.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
So a couple things here for starters. Love the fact
that this this allegation came out. This article was written
by Front Office Sports, and for those of you with
that haven't read it, I would advise you to please
read it because you're gonna understand why I'm gonna say
what I'm gonna say next. Okay, there is nothing in
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this article. This article is truly baseless. It cites anonymous
sources with I mean, and I'm not always saying that
you need to put a source in that has to
be cited, but the entire article is based on quotes
from anonymous sources. And if you look at it, for
anyone who's been in an athletic environment of any sort,
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you're literally laughing. That's how big of a joke this is.
This actually makes Front Office Sports, which I have no
idea what that is or who that is, look like
a joke. The fact that they would write this, and
it really speaks to where journalism is nowadays, and it's
lost because this is an example of a website. Again,
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I don't even know who Front Office Sports is, but
just trying to write off the code tales of what
was a difficult conversations in regards to the hazing allegations
and culture at Northwestern and there's a I guess a
website that wants to look for another, another scandal, another
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whatever you want to call it. And this was by
far and away one of the worst pieces of an
article that I've ever seen written to try to villainize
a coach like PJ. Fleck, who it doesn't matter if
you're a fan of his methods or not. He is
as upfront about what he believes and how he runs
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his program as anyone you will find. And then look,
it's not for everyone. His whole row the boat mantra.
There's a story behind it, and when you hear that story,
you understand exactly why he feels the way he does
and why he lives life and coaches the way he does.
And so I have an issue with where we are
in society right now, where we've given a microphone or
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a soapbox to a bunch of people who sign up
for something like in this case, and this actually dates
back to twenty seventeen when PJ. Fleck got there. There's
some people who got pushed out of the program because
they couldn't handle it, they didn't want to work hard.
They didn't want to sign up for what he was
asking them to do, and that's fine. There's nothing wrong
with people who quit or move on. It might not
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be the right environment for you, that's okay. You know,
when you go through different levels from high school to
college college the NFL of sports and athleticism, there's different
levels of intensity and there's gonna be different things that
are asked of you. And if you really want to
push past the brink to make yourself better and to
get to a point where you don't even believe you
can go where your coaches have to push you past
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that mentally and physically, it's going to be uncomfortable. You're
probably not going to like it. You might want to
quit at times. That's part of it. And the fact
that now we give a bunch of people who couldn't
cut it. They didn't like it, it felt uncomfortable, and
we give them a microphone to let them say whatever
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they want and bash guys who to ninety five and
ninety nine percent of the players support that coach, believe
in what they're trying to do, the fact that we're
giving them a microphone to me, tells you everything you
need to know about today's journalism is we're just looking
for any little negative article, any little thing. If you
go to any company or corporation around America, you could
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find somebody who doesn't like their company. You could find
someone who would call their their culture toxic, or or
the fact that they have slogans or mantra a cult,
or the fact that, like, for example, one of the
allegations that was made was they punished with them with conditioning.
Oh really, are you kidding? Like, Hey, how about this.
Let's have a competition. Loser has to do suicides if
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you don't make enough free throws. We've never heard that before.
We've never heard a coach have to say, loser's got
a condition a little extra. It's always been a part
of stuff. It's it's part of teaching people the reward
of winning, teaching people the reward of competition. I mean,
it's just it's crazy to me to see how we've
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allowed journalism to get to a point where as a
society we have to start throwing this stuff aside and
start stop legitimizing, whether it's Front Office Sports or any
other website or or company that does this. Because it's
BS and it's it's sending us in a really really
it's sending us not.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
A really slippery slope. Here goes the saying. Hard times
create hard men. Heart men create easy times. Easy times
create soft men. Soft men create hard times. I'm I'm
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told I've been on this narrative for a while now
with what you're saying, c'm I've been Listen. Everybody struggles
and suffers with mental anguish. You don't have to be
an athlete, you don't have to be a football player.
And when you think about, like just historically speaking, the
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one sport that you can always count on there being
a coach that is of that type of ilk, that
type of way is.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Always going to be football.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
My first, my first and doctor nation into football culture
was at eight years old, and the mentality of the
coaches was that it was very intense and it was
no nonsense, it was no bsing, it was just it
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was it was all about getting getting these kids ready
to play ball at.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
A youth level.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
And you all, you ultimately understand that coaches are going
to be like it's always been an age old thing.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
It's like the.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Closest thing to the military. So you're dealing with you're
dealing with a military type of environment with what you're doing,
So you're going to do things that are uncomfortable. You're
going to do things that are going to challenge your
mental and emotional stability. You're going to do all of
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those things or you're going to go through those things
when you're in competition. But the bottom line is you're
going to go through those things.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
In life.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
You ever find yourself wondering how you're going to pay
your next bill, You ever find yourself wondering if you're
healthy enough to get up and go do the job
that you have to go do. Imagine being somebody who's
working on a building, a skyscraper, Imagine somebody who's working
on the highway. Imagine being a law enforcement personal or
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a person that is is taking care of us as
a first responder, a fireman, a fire person.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
You know, the whole.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Idea of it is is that you got to show up,
and you start to learn that in life. To be
successful in life, you got to show up. And so
to me, when when I think about you know, when
guys come out and unless I know for certain and
you can show without a reasonable doubt, without a doubt
at all really that.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
It's almost like to me, it would need to be.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
You might go down the road to saying it's abuse,
like I have been around people who are abusive with
the power that they hold in the power that they
have as as coaches, as people of authority. But even
with that, there's a way to go about doing it.
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There's there's a process and how in which you go
about doing it.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
And to me, more often than not, you.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
See guys that don't have things work out the way
that they would want it to work out, especially these days,
things don't work out the way that you would want
to work out, and it has to be something else's fault.
It has to be someone else's fault. There has to
be a reason outside of yourself that there's there's no accountability. No,
that's the probability. We know, real accountability.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
When we look at society and how we handle a
lot of things, we completely remove accountability of the individual.
And and that's my biggest issue. Like any any debate
conversation you want to have about anything right now, for me,
it always starts with, Okay, what's my own accountability? You know,
like I'm not going to point the finger at someone
else or anything else. If I if I can't be
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accountable for my actions, for my thoughts, for what I've said,
And it starts there and then. And that's the problem
is there's so many people out there that aren't being
taught that, especially young young people, they're not being they're
not being taught that. You know. For example, again, it's
going to be tough if you want to get where
you want to go. Like people act like college football
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is easy just because you are a three star, four star, five,
whatever you were. It's not easy. It's not. And that's
part of and that's a part of the respect of it.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
I was just at our event yesterday, right, I was
at our fundraising event yesterday. And when when a former
player or current players greet one another, it's different than
when a regular civilian greets greets one of an athlete
greets a player. There is something to be said about
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one a me as a former player, knowing what you're
going through as a current player, be what you as
a current player, know what I went through as a
former player, or both right, as a current player and
a current player, we know what we're going through as
two former players. We know what we went through there's
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something to be said. There's a respect of pride. My
captain spoke before me, Brandon Short spoke to the group
before I got up, spoke to the group, and the
things that he said about me, they almost bring me
to tears when I hear them. If we don't go
through suffering, yes, people suffering, If we don't go through persevering, perseverance, yes, persevering.
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If you don't go through emotional and mental fatigue, you
never build the bonds that are strong enough to last
a lifetime. And for the people that never push themselves
to that or engage in those type of activities to
experience that, I feel for you because I could never
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imagine not being the person that I've become through the
development and the hard times that I've had to go
through in my life. And those are badges of honor,
and a lot of people just aren't up for that
these days.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Aren't you grateful?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Is what it is.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Aren't you guys grateful for Because I look back at
that and I go my parents.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
My parents are really strict.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
And I had a whole coaches that I thought, man,
those guys were jerks at the time playing football, and
I sucked so there was a lot to complain about.
But I can't think of one time in which they
really got on me, either coaches or or my parents
or somebody that loved me. I can't think of one
time that they were wrong about it. I go back
and I go, yeah, they had a point, like that
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was true. I needed to get better.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
And but Jonas, even if they were wrong, even if
you don't like, I have coaches that I don't like.
I've talked about it on the show, but you you
can't stand, Dale lindsay, you can't standing, but you know what, Hey,
but you know what, it served a purpose. It served
a purpose, and and Dale Lindsey isn't going to dictate
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my outcome. Gods, it comes back to what Q said.
It's the self accountability. I am going to hold myself
to that standard and that level to still show up
and do what I need to do.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Whatever happened to, you need to get better, And I'm
not gonna be nice about it sometimes I need to
be stern and I need to let you know that
this is how you get better. Like whatever happened to
just hard coaching, hard parenting. And I feel like the
abuse term has been stretched way too thin, like we're
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now spreading it out over every single interaction, when all
it is is trying to teach and learn. And that's
a big difference between that and flat out abuse. And
there's been abuse, and we've seen examples of it, and
all of that is legit and all that should be
taken seriously, but hard coaching doesn't always mean that it's abuse.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
That's well, that's that's part of the issue is that
there's there's two ways of rules of thought, when when
you're a parent, when you're a coach, when you're someone
who's in charge. And that's really what this is like.
So people understand a lot of coaches feel like they
take over as a father figure in a way when
we're talking about football, because they are they're with these
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young men for four nowadays five maybe six years. I
mean there's literally kids playing six years of college football
more than ever before. But they're they're with them for
a long period of time through a pretty formidable time
of their life where they're going to develop from a
teenager and a young man and go into the you know,
the working world, either as a professional athlete or not.
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And a lot of the you know, foundation of what
they believe and how they conduct themselves and what they're
able to achieve is formed during this period of time.
And I think a lot of coaches, you know, they
take that and they understand that this is regardless of
what people think because of what coaches get paid. All
these guys realize the responsibility they have and they all
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understand that I have to prepare them for life, and
so I can be hard on them now and hopefully
life will be easier. Much like we always talk about
how you want practicely harder than the actual game, Right,
That's kind of what it's like in sports, Like sports
are they're a tool, they're a resource to help you
to deal with life because life is harsh man and
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there's a lot of people who, you know, they want
sports to be easy and soft and they want it
to be comfortable. That's not it. I mean, LeVar touched
on it like there's suffering in life, Like there's going
to be hard times and you've got to figure out
a way to work through adversity instead of just allowing
it to each you up and make you continue to
go down to a downward spire or a terrible path.
(31:44):
And so a lot of these you know, coaches and
people who are influences. They're using the game, whatever that
may be, football or whatever else to help prepare you
for that, to prepare you for being a dad one day,
or a husband, or what happens when you have fire
from your job. You know, they're preparing you for all
these things. How you need to respond to adversity. And
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it's not going to be comfortable. They're going to push
you past your limits, or there's gonna be someone there
who's gonna help push you past your limits or challenge you.
And that's a good thing. But we're not allowing our society.
We're not allowing people to feel uncomfortable or feel like
they're being pushed to your point, Jonas, it's now being categorized, well,
that's abuse. No, it's not, Jonas. You work out all
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the time, right, yes, and there's times where you like,
you know, if you want to get stronger, if you
want to look a certain way, you have to push
yourself past what you want to do. There's people who
probably already worked out today, are going to work out.
I've worked out yet, going to work out. There will
be times when I want to quit. There will be
times when I'm like, I don't really want to do this,
but you have to push yourself past that mentally or
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have someone there who's willing to do that and help
you push you past that. Right.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, And number one time have I been done working
out and been like, ah, God, I wish I didn't
do that. You're proud of yourself, like, hey, I accomplished
something today. It's the smallest thing. But then they always
talk about it like start your day with a victory.
Don't hit the snooze button, like let that be the
first one, and it goes into and it just sort
of snowballs into the rest of your day. And but
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you can't do that anymore because you got to let
people sleep in, and if you don't let him sleep in,
then it's considered abuse apparently. And you know, you can't
say row the boat and some of the other acronyms
that PJ.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Fleck uses, because you.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Know what, you know, one of the best parts was is, uh,
it's so coach Flack and I were talking with another
another couple of coaches, and he's like and then they
kind of transition into like a well, hey, all right,
just he said to one of the coaches. Just don't
use this against me in recruiting. He's like, I already
heard from one of the coach. He's like, oh, there's
another thing I could use in consumer recruiting. Like that's
That's kind of the funny thing now, too, is like
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it gets to the point where you're like, yeah, I mean,
these guys, as much as you joke about it, it's
now something that another coach will trying to use against
them in recruiting, just just because front Off is sports.
You know, go ahead and goes ahead and runs with
an article.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I wouldn't go they rowed the boat. We don't even
believe in boats. In this program, I would get there.
It is two pros and a cup of joe here
on Fox Sports Radio.
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But for all the latest from around the world of sports.
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Mean streets of Honolulu and Tuscaloosa, Yes there are.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
I did not grow up?
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Is your mom from U Birmingham?
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Yeah?
Speaker 7 (34:52):
Yeah, visited a couple of times, but no, no, but
it does makes me seem pretty excited. Those are a
couple of different plays.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Last Dame Garcia boarded Wyki Ki mom from Birmingham.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Lot going on there.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
It's amazing what happens when you've got parents in the military.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
We were right a little bit.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
But we'll get some news from the NFL, and it
looks like the Cincinnati Bengals probably dodged a bullet with
quarterback Joe Burrow being carted off the field after suffering
a non contact injury to his right leg and practice.
The report is a strained calf, not expected to effect
Burrow for the start of the regular season. Same can't
be said for Miami Dolphins star corner Jalen Ramsey also
carted off the field Thursday, but he's been diagnosed with
(35:35):
a torn meniscus in his knee. It's going to require
surgery expected miss at least six to eight weeks, and
that means he'll likely miss the start of the regular season.
In baseball, just five games, but they included a double
header between the Angels and the Tigers. Now the Angels
won both games, thanks almost solely to their star Showo Tani.
They won the first game six to nothing. Otani on
the mound, tosses a complete game shutout. He allowed one
(35:58):
hit with eight strikeouts, and then they won the second
eleven to four, with Otawny hitting a couple of homers.
He leads the major leagues with thirty eight and the
Angels and now just three games out of a wildcard
spot in the American League. Guardians beat the White Sox
sixty three, Cleveland moves the game and at back of
idle Minnesota for the top spot in the AL Central.
He had the Mets over the Nationals two to one,
New York trading closer David Robertson after the game to
the Marlins for a couple of minor leaguers, and the
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Cubs beat the Cardinals ten to three. College football, one
day after the Big Twelve voted unanimously to accept the
University of Colorado into the conference. The school's board of
regents unanimously voted to join the conference beginning with the
twenty four to twenty.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Five school year.
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Speaker 2 (38:24):
Guys.
Speaker 8 (38:24):
In case you missed this, everyone uh still has eyes
on Dalvincook the free agents.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I like that one.
Speaker 8 (38:34):
Well, he's book l he's on his way to visit
with the New York Jets. But not only that, the
Patriots are working on bringing in Dalvincook after his visit
with New York.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Come on, go to New England. You know they could
use a break.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
You know they lost out on d Hop like bringing
Dalvin Cook, give him some star power, help out the offense.
Let's go Dalvin, Come on the Jets, get everybody, go
to New England.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Don't you get would't you rather see I'd.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Jest so I think I think it'd be fun to
see him in that backfield. I mean, it's kind of
be a loaded team. Maybe that team can actually someone
can actually compete with with the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Meanwhile, it's it's too bad that New England just can't
catch a break. You know, they keep losing out on
all these star players, just having to do it the
hard way. I'm rooting for Belichick this year. I'm not
gonna let some of these haters out here try and
steer him into early retirement.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
It's disgusting, wasn't that you earlier this offseason?
Speaker 1 (39:34):
I don't want to talk about it, but that's not
eating neither here nor there.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
I just thought it was you who kept prompting the
whole like, hey, let's you know Belichick hot seat? You
know it happened.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Misquoted, totally misquoted here in the air. Interesting what else
we got, guys.
Speaker 8 (39:49):
We've talked a lot about Lionel Messi over the last
few weeks. But in case you missed it, the Messy
of Matadors, as he's often known, bullfighting star Andres Rocca
Ray was gored by a on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I don't know if you saw this or not in Spain.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Wow. No, I wasn't looking up people being gorded by
a ball. I missed.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
That's why we're here, man.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
In case you missed him, Brady, that's what happened. Yeah,
I got by Maddy. Uh yeah, that's uh. How does
he go to the best?
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Well, he's no messy.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
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