November 7, 2023 • 38 mins
The guys look back on the NFL preseason predictions. Other Big 10 schools now want to spy on Michigan, proving Brady’s point that systemic sign-stealing is a thing. Plus, a battle of the sitcom families on “Would You Rather?”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 4 (00:40):
Come on, Jonas, what you know about this? Yeah? What
you know about rolling down in the deep? Jonas?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
What you know about a manman?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
What you know about it? Jonas?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
You know about a man?
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Man?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
This isn't time right here, I'm here. He was a
disruptor this weekend.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Destroyed it man. Yeah, it was a good.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Game for Was that his coming out game?
Speaker 5 (01:05):
No, he had a really good game the week before too.
He had about two three sacks in the game before,
like some tackles for losses, and then he tackled it
up with four and in round one of the CIF.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
So he looked pretty good. Man. He looks.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
He looks like he's kind of like the light switch
went off, you know, like the bulb went off.
Speaker 6 (01:24):
He's mean mugger too. He is a good mean mug
He got that, he's got that going for him.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Yeah, he's taller than me. Now, man, it's kind of crazy,
so I didn't wasn't expecting that.
Speaker 7 (01:35):
But yeah, he's a good kid. Do you still have
dad strength over him? Like if he tested you, could
you still wrestle him and get it done?
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Now that I'm back in the gym, yeah, I'm I'm
pretty good in that that category. But it's it's it's
it's getting away pretty quickly though.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Yeah, but he's he's not He's not one where I'd
have to wrestle him down. He's one that with I'd
have to hold him back from defending. Like he's he's
like he's wired that way, like he's that's my dude.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
You know, that's my dude. Yeah, my boys, My boys
are my boys. Man, you'll you'll figure that one out,
like as you go, man, like.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
That that that relationship, like the ones with your daughters
are super super dope, super different, but the ones with
your boys, man, like those are your boys. You know,
it's like it's it's like it's different. Then when you
start to shake their hand. In their hand, you can
feel like their strength is getting equal or more than yours.
It's it's like it's a weird feeling you feel, man,
(02:34):
but it's just a great sense of pride. You know,
it's good. He's good.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I love being a dad man. So there you go.
And knowing is knowing better than there really isn't. He's
the daddy. Yeah, I beat the pappy.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
That there baby, probably not whatever that was alluding to either,
but I beat the pappy.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
Here on Fox Sports Radio, it is LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn,
Joe Knox with you.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
By the way, we are doing the shoe vibe.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
You'll know soon enough to oh we're getting it. But
you're already experiencing that because he's given you shiners and
stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
So you know, you guys are Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Oh, he loves saying in that physical, you know, interaction
of love.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
I just I like that he has no interest in
blippy or Coco Melon anymore. We're straight into sports trucks,
violence like that. That is the order of of what
he prefers to watch. Whether it's professional wrestling or anything else.
Like if he sees some action, he's into it. So
(03:36):
I kind of like that we've broken the the Coco
melon phase and now we're onto that because I couldn't
take it anymore.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
Just come from Wifey's side, though, because I feel like
you weren't You weren't really like that, were you?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Geez?
Speaker 8 (03:47):
I'm just asking.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
I trust me, if it was Wifey's side, he'd be
watching like telenovelas and all the other garbage on television.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
You seem a little more on like the sensitive side,
super sensitive.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
No that's not true.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
No, that's not a bad thing. And you weren't touch
with your feelings and hanging up you no, you know
better now upside.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Down waking up out of coffee like that just seems
to be your favorite past day.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Man, Why you coming at me?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Barang bang bang bang, Just sleep big conference.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
You wear black, don't you all the time?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I am right now head to toe black?
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Oh crack?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Don't you?
Speaker 4 (04:29):
All right?
Speaker 6 (04:30):
So let's get into the look back, because we are
at the halfway point of the NFL season. So we thought,
all right, so how bad were our preseason picks? So
we before the year a couple of months back, we
decided to pick each division winner and three wild card
teams out of the AFC and the NFC, and then
obviously we've got our Super Bowl picks that we get
(04:50):
to at the end of all this.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Of course, come on.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
Please sure high level production here at a little after
four am Pacific time here at Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
So lead to Lap. You've got the results.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
So he's gonna start, probably in the AFC, then we're
gonna go over to the NFC, and then we'll just
go ahead and discussed how awful some of these decisions
were that we made.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Before the year.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Lee, take it away. So that's right.
Speaker 9 (05:14):
We're gonna start with the divisional picks here, and we'll
start with Brady, who had the Jags. You actually had
a lot of win losses here, So you had Jags
twelve five obviously winning the South, Chiefs winning the West,
Bengals winning the North, who are now currently sitting in
the last place even though they're tied with the Steelers
and Browns.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
They're all playoff teams so far. Lee, thanks for giving
me credit.
Speaker 9 (05:35):
And the Jets at East. Yes you are, you're credit
for Jags.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Me in the time Oh, I didn't have the Jets
winning the ease. Oh because of Rogers. Rogers, that's right.
Speaker 7 (05:46):
Yeah, Well I was looking at back through thing and
I thought I had the Bills, But I had the
Bills is the playoff?
Speaker 9 (05:54):
Speaking of the Bills, LeVar, you did have the Bills
winning the East. You had the Bengals winning the North
as well. No, that is correct, and the Jags picking
the South a teaser or spoiler alert. Everybody picked the
Jags to win the South and the Chargers to win
the West. Jumping right over to Jonas, Jonas, you also
had the Chargers to win the West. Jags do win
the South, the Ravens do win the North, and the
(06:16):
Bills also to win the East.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
All right, Well, I uh yeah, I don't feel good
about the Chargers. Defense was great last night, but I
just I'm not betting against Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I just learned my lesson. I try.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
That's weird that I would have that, knowing that I
have the Kansas City Chiefs in the Super Bowl. That's weird,
which would lead us out, why Bore you do do some.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Weird stuff sometimes, so that's you know, I'm different.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
If it was Jonas I'd be like, that is weird,
But for you, I'd be like, yeah, but I could
see you.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
You're doing that with your weird ass.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
It may play out that way. The Chargers may win
the division and the Chiefs may end up a wild.
Speaker 8 (06:55):
Card team with your weird ass.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
That's weird ass.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
That's right as you.
Speaker 9 (07:00):
Did here, Var as your wild card pick alongside the
Dolphins and the Steelers. For you, LeVar, yet the Chiefs, Dolphins,
and Steelers as your world card team.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
Oh well, you know the Steelers aren't making it, so
we'll go I don't know, we don't know that.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Why do you know that.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
There's not a shot in hell Pittsford makes the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
There's a shot in hell they're in it right now. Man,
you can't say that, all right, they'd be the five
seed right now.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
I'm willing to place a large wager in by large,
I mean at least fifteen bucks the Steelers don't make
the play.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
You're shorting the Steelers shorting playoffs playoffs?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, thank you, coach.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Wow, Odds don't don't go in favor of what you're saying. Bro.
Speaker 7 (07:37):
You know, yeah, but I don't mind that back because
he's gonna get more value right now if you let
the season play out now and they do it, I'm
not making it.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Those odds on only go down. All right, Lee, what
have we got in the NFC?
Speaker 9 (07:47):
Well, Brady, real quick, your wildcard teams were Baltimore, Cleveland
and Denver, Oh and Jonas. Your wildcard teams were the Chiefs, Jets,
and Broncos.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Yeah, theod bad one's Denver?
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Yeah yeah, well, yeah, off the shove.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Off their charge the West.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
Hold on a second, why the hell did we have
Denver going to the playoffs?
Speaker 4 (08:11):
First off, look, they're three and five.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
They're on a better run right now. Grand they're way
back there, but that doesn't mean they can't climb.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Out of it.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
But upon further review, that was just a bad pick
we bought into Sean Payton, all right, that's all.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
It was a Sean Payton pick.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Past Man, all.
Speaker 9 (08:28):
Right, what about the NFC lea NFC fellas divisional, Brady,
you had the Cowboys win in the East, Saints in
the South, Niners in the West, Vikings in the North.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
Yeah, well Dallas after the lost Cousins Jefferson and now
Camp Yeah, they still the Lions. It's all playoff teams
as of now, they're all playoff teams.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Now.
Speaker 9 (08:49):
I'm just surprised you didn't take the Lions because you're
you've always been bullish on those Lions.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
But that's true.
Speaker 9 (08:55):
That's where that's where Brady and Jonas picked. They both
went with the Lions in the North. Uh, LaVar, you
had Eagles in the East, Saints in the South, Niners
in the West.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Okay, who did I have in the North? You have?
Speaker 9 (09:07):
You had the Lions?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Yeah, right, correct.
Speaker 9 (09:09):
Jonas also had Lions in the North, Seahawks in the West,
Saints in the South, Cowboys in the East.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
Damn right, hey, that that dog's gonna hunt. I'm telling
you all four of those things are gonna happen. Cowboys
are winning that division right now. I'm telling you they're
not right now.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
You didn't just see what happened this past week.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Yeah, listen, I'm not gonna get caught up in the
weeds here, all right. I'm focused on the positive stuff.
And Dallas look good in that game. Your boy, Michael Carson.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
You're still alive. That's all I care about.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
What about the wild cards?
Speaker 9 (09:36):
Wild card? Brady, you had Packers, Eagles, Seahawks.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I think Packers. Packers ain't going make it.
Speaker 9 (09:44):
LeVar, you had Commanders, Viking Seahawks.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Commanders ain't going make it. Hey, they're in the eighth
spot though they're not that far out.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Damn, they ain't going make it, said Hell looks good?
Speaker 9 (09:53):
And Jonas, you had the Niners, Eagles, Bears.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
No always you know, I didn't know. I did not.
That is that is MS representation. I would not I
would not have picked the Bears.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
What happened a Bears?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well what happened?
Speaker 9 (10:15):
Is?
Speaker 6 (10:15):
I said the Bears, what happened? Jonas, have happened? I
said the Bears? Well, what happened?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I said?
Speaker 9 (10:22):
The Bears sad like that.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
Are going to be way out of the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Why did I think the Bears are gonna j justice?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Happened?
Speaker 4 (10:35):
What happened? What that's from a movie? Yeah? I remember what? Well?
What happened? God?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Why why did I think man.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
The Bears because their defense was pretty decent, saying like
they could have been trending in the right direction.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
Look, they fired two assistant coaches and nobody knows why.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Just all right, so I'm are you to do this?
Speaker 7 (11:00):
But how many playoff teams currently, Like how many do
we have that are that are currently in the hunt?
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Or like, in the playoffs started today.
Speaker 9 (11:10):
Most of you are averaging about six six conference.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Yeah, okay, that's pretty good, six out of seven.
Speaker 7 (11:16):
So you to only have one team out something, I mean,
the seating will change in the NFC.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Maybe you get a couple of teams. I don't know,
I don't know. I'll put it through this way.
Speaker 7 (11:26):
Do you guys think Washington, Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Green Bay?
I mean, oh god, all those teams are sub five.
Are any of those teams getting in?
Speaker 4 (11:35):
No? No.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
So here's the crazy thing though, is the Vikings literally
are playing with a third string quarterback who just got there.
They justin Jefferson's not back yet. They just lost Cam
Akers who they traded for. I mean that team has
been decimated by inju.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Kevin O'Connell should get Coach of the year considered.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
If they make the playoffs, hands down, like you'd have.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
To think that they would, they would. He should get
Coach of the Year.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
And I know Demiko Ryans is the popular pick right now,
but I just with everything you just laid out and
all the injuries they cannot catch a break, and if
they get into that final wildcard spot, that's that's pretty
impressive all things considered.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
And were they did? They start Owen three?
Speaker 7 (12:18):
They were an Owen three football team, and they fought
back and literally they keep losing, guys, it's awful.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Yep, they found a way to win. Josh Dalls baby.
Speaker 9 (12:29):
Finally, guys, we did have the playoff picks. I'll just
start here with Brady. You had the Jags losing to
the Bengals, Cowboys beating the Niners, and then in the
Super Bowl you had the Bengals beating the Cowboys.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
Still there, it's there, all right, LaVar.
Speaker 9 (12:46):
You had a repeat that you got, LaVar. You had
a repeat of the Chiefs repeating over the over the Eagles.
That's the balls and Jonas, you had the Cowboys beating
the Chargers.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
That's ballsy right there, by the way, it's a ballsy
it's not half.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
Did you guys see the thing that's going around on
social media about the colors of the logo of the
Super Bowl logo have like the past couple of seasons
ended up being the teams that have played in it. Really, yes,
and so this year, I believe the colors are like
purple and red. And so there's a thought Baltimore San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
H I mean Multimore.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
That's not a bad that's not a bad pool.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Well, no, they can San Francisco better tight enough if
they want to live up to that Kansas city.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
In that case, league, I mean, so Niners, I mean
Niners Ravens would be upon Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I saw that.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
We saw that back what in twenty thirteen, So hopefully
they'll keep the lights on the entire time not get
shut down. They remember that conspiracy back then when they thought.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Wasn't it really just like a homeless guy who like
pulled the.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Wrong something like that, Like he was trying to put
his tent up and he hit was that one in
San fran Or was that New Orleans?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
No, that was in New Orleans.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
It was New ORLEANSO. I thought it was like this
sounds like a holess guy's like, oh what was this?
Speaker 6 (14:04):
He thought he thought it was to open up one
of the gates and instead it turned all the lights off,
or some guy.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Who got wild on Bourbon Street. It's like, oh, let's
party with this thing.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Okay, so you might this is a little surprising to me.
If you guys had to guess in order, what the
odds say coach of the Year would go to right
now courtesy of DraftKings, Like, if you had to guess
in order, what would you say, like the first like
top three or four for coach of the year.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I mean, Jamiko Ryan's up there.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
Dan Campbell has to be up there, I would say,
is I mean maybe Siriannie.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
They're not putting up there.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
He should be lost both coordinators and they're eight and one,
the best record in the league so far. Outside of that,
I mean, I don't know. Is Doug Peterson a part
of their six and two?
Speaker 6 (14:52):
So Doug Peterson is near the top. But the order
goes like this, Dan Campbell at plus one eighty, Mike
McDaniel at four to one, at five to one, Robert
Sala at ten to one, John harbought ten to one,
Nick Sirianni at fifteen to one, and our guy, Kevin
O'Connell at sixteen to one. If they get to the playoffs,
(15:16):
how the hell can you not give it to Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
Dude, it would be it would be incredible. That would
be an incredible run, incredible story for that team.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, so that is a look back at the happening.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I'm rooting for Don I'm too.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I think it's great.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
I think he's the best story in the NFL this season.
The ways handle himself, I mean, forget I mean he's
played well too, especially considered the circumstances, but just the
way he conducts himself and represents himself, ma'am.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
It's awesome. It is. It's awesome for.
Speaker 7 (15:48):
The NFL to have a guy like that who can
be on three teams in one year and be helping
it team stay in the hunt for the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
It's just it's the coolest story to me. You know,
his nickname, what's that? Dobbs Kevin O'Connell what ko Cock?
Speaker 8 (16:04):
Oh Jesus, that's his nickname.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I don't know that anyone calls him that though, you
just call him KOs. I mean that's that's what I've heard.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Red Light District. Yeah, damn getaway, Dave bar.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
That was gonna be a first.
Speaker 10 (16:26):
I got it too, Sam, I got it. I mean
he's not lying, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
You know that's his name.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
His name, it is uh, two pros and a cup
of Joe Here on Fox Sports Radio. It's LeVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you. All right, it's coming
up next year from the tire Rack dot Com Studios.
We've got an update on one of the more bizarre
stories in football currently going. But it could take a
twist very very soon. We'll get into the latest details
(17:03):
on that. That's next here on FSR.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 8 (17:20):
A come on, a come on, oh oh.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Oh yeah you know who this is.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
No try and steer clear of bad music for some reason.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
What yeah, this song stinks?
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Nah man, let's jag it edge brother. Yeah, it's a
really good song.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
What's it called? Where's the party at Sam with the
pod party yet? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
So the Red Light District was here in the studio.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
If you for sure?
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Because of you now, because of the party.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
They give him his nickname Parties at the Tyrack dot
Com Studios.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
All right, all right, with two Pros and a Cup
of Joe as what you did.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
And in about twenty minutes from now, the party's really
going to be fired up because we're gonna have another
edition of would You Rather Here on a Tuesday morning,
So that'll be fun to see what Leaves come up
with for us here a little over twenty minutes from
now here on FSR uh.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Stay college baby?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
So, and the way travel works, if you want to
get out to that game by Saturday, you got to
leave like what two days.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Ago today, Okay, just to make sure, you know, with
all of the delays and cancelations and just making you
miss flights by keeping you out on the jetway, you
gotta leave literally on Tuesday to try to make it
for the game on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Of pain. I mean, I'm not leaving on Tuesday, but
I won't be there on Saturday.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Well, there's a possibility you might not be there, you
might not make it.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
I'll make it. There's always a possibly, make it. There
always the possibility.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I'm just trying to make sure I get myself three
to four yesterdays. Yeah, two dates, three days of delays, yes, correct, Yeah,
that's what I wa was. Yeah, you know that's better
than jumping in a car and having to drive six hours,
you know what I mean. Like, I'm a little tabit
traumatized by it. Also, I'm gonna leave a little earlier.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
When you drove six hours? Where did you drive.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
To the graduate hotel? Right to it?
Speaker 5 (19:38):
I didn't collect two hundred dollars. I just passed it
was Tel though I was in Columbus.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Oh no, so it wasn't.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
I guess it's a hatred spot for some of those
teams of North Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
But I'm going to the graduate tonight and that is
my graduate hotel.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
So there's one, say College, there's another in Columbus.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
In fact, I think the key that you may receive
at the graduate is one of me.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I believe. Yeah, my my.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Hashtag relatable.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
I mean, you know I played at Penn State.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, so I get it.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Yeah, that's it. That's so. You know my student idea
is your your key card? Yeah? Go figure it's nice.
Flex that's a cool little little deal, you know. Good
news for you.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
You roll in the TGI Fridays or Toys r us.
I'm probably on one of those ID cards too. I
want to talk about resumes. We can have a resume
off here.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
I will touch at LeVar Allen tonight for certain, that
will be on my resume.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
One or two probably one. Oh, you'll be pretty late and.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
It's you go to two ten where they do the
little pictures, right.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Yeah, it'll be a little late when I get there.
So yeah, they got those like, yeah, they're pictures mini pitchers.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
We'll get banged up, just one bang banging, yeah, and.
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So it was mentioned it is going to be the
big one this weekend. You've got Michigan, You've got Penn
State in State College. Now the question is whether or
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not Jim Harbaugh is going to be there. The Michigan
was formally notified by the Big Ten yesterday that it
could be facing disciplinary action from the league, which is
something they have to do to let them know like, hey,
we decided to do this. We're just giving you the
heads up. This could go down, and then there's all
sorts of different and we talked about it yesterday. There's
different rumors and angles to this. I mean, it is
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really spread and become just a fascinating story to see
whose side is trying to trying to get out there.
But Larry and I want to make sure I have
this wreck. Larry lag of the Associated.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Press, all right, that's not far off from a poor name.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Okay, well, but it's not far off. It could be Laige.
It could be Laige.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
But he did report yesterday, according to the AP, that
a former employee at a Big Ten football program said
Monday that his job was to steal signs and he
was given details from multiple conference schools before his team
played Michigan to compile a spreadsheet of play calling signals
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used by the Wolverines last year. I basically other teams
in the conference were like, all right, so then we're
gonna go ahead and get their signs and use those
as well too, which points to something that Brady pointed
out on this show a couple of weeks ago, which
I got a lot of pushback when you said this
goes on in a lot of places, and here's a
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guy saying I gave this evidence over to Jim Harbaugh
and to Michigan because I didn't feel like it was
fair that they're being criticized and singled out when you
had a rogue assistant coach going out and doing these
things that have been done to Michigan over the past
year plus. And here's your evidence. So now another layer
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to this whole thing.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
I want to be very clear with everything I'm about
to say next, Okay, and I'm hoping our friends at
Fox Sports ready on social media can actually clip this
off and include it. Okay, just because I have said
that it goes on in other places, that doesn't mean
that I condone it. I'm just telling you what I know.
It's no different. And LaVar, I'll ask you this like,
(23:45):
do schools pay players outside of nil when they recruit?
Do the schools pay, do schools or alums, etc? I
mean you know where it's coming from. Yes, Okay, that
has gone on forever. Is it illegal?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yes? Do teams always get caught very rarely? All right?
Speaker 7 (24:05):
There are elaborate schemes and ways in which they do it.
I won't go into depth. But also illegal. Do we
make a big deal about it?
Speaker 4 (24:14):
No?
Speaker 7 (24:15):
Because now we hide behind well it's nil. Well even
nil's not being done in the proper manner in some ways,
but the NCAA doesn't have the teeth to be able
to punish them for that.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
This is a little bit different.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
And the NCAA investigation for this, I'm sure, well, if
they have the actual evidence of Connor stallions at opposing
teams filming those signals, filming sidelines that they'll be punished
for it if they have evidence of it, because you're
not supposed to do that based on a rule that
was created back in nineteen ninety four. But I want
to be very clear, just because I'm telling you that
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out there there are schools who are going to pay
players to get them as recruits. I don't think it's
a news flash to anyone. I'm not condoning it, but
I'm telling you what happens. It goes on elaborate schemes. Okay,
it's no different with the signs stealing. And I've had
people who are coaching I've never heard Okay, you haven't
heard of this. Okay, this goes on to other schools
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and maybe not in the same manner in which Michigan
has done this. But I know of coaches who are
responsible for signs stealing and doing this. There's the quote
unquote analysts who aren't even on your school's campuses, who
are all throughout the country that are able to go
to other games and see this and try to steal signs.
So look, I'm not saying I'm not trying to defend
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Michigan in any way, but also I am trying to
provide the perspective that it goes on everywhere else too.
There's a lot of other ways in which people do it,
and coaches who act like, oh, I know coaches who
are trying to say it doesn't go on that, I'm like,
I know the guy who's doing it for y'all.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
So don't say it doesn't go on because I know
the coach who was doing it.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
So my whole point is that I don't think it
plays as big of an impact in a game because one,
let's just look at it this way, as we talked
about last year, when teams knew this was going on. TCU,
for example, some of the schools that have been open
about and say, well, we changed everything, we changed our signals,
change our calls, all that. Okay, So then really, what
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benefit of having old signs and things like that, How.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Does that benefit you?
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Even if they're an attempt at cheating, If they've changed
everything and they get it in game, they've got a
guy who's trying to steal signs, which, by the way,
if you're on the sidelines in game trying to steal signs,
that's legal. There's nothing wrong with that. And if the
team changed everything, they maybe figure out by a third
fourth quarter. Okay, that's part of the gamesmanship that goes
on and that's allowed within the rules. But my point is,
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like taking them from what they were the signals, being
able to confirm in game if those actually are the signals,
and then being able to throughout the course of the
game while teams are making adjustments, work it all out
so you're making calls that are effective to execute against that,
It's hard to know exactly how big of an impact
it has. What has a much bigger impact and what's
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happening right now in college football, and in my opinion,
is a bigger issue than this is tampering. There are
schools in bigger schools or other schools that are competing
that are big schools with one another who're tampering with
kids on rosters. If I can grab a five star
kid or another school star and offer him whatever amount
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of money, which is one hundred percent inducement, is illegal,
is illegal within the rules, and I get that team
a kid on my team. That is way more of
an advantage than sign stealing. Yet we're making a big
deal about the Michigan signce stealing and because of the
Connor Stallion's character and the success of Michigan and probably
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how Jim Harbaugh has handled things and how he is
with the media anyway, and it's a big brand when
the reality is that's not one of the biggest issues
that college football faces. Tampering is a much more widespread
issue as well that I think plays a much greater
impact on teams and their ability to compete, where you
have coaches on the field after games who are offering
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kids money and I've heard firsthand from kids, So that
to me is a much greater issue that I guess
the NCAA doesn't want to investigate or doesn't want to
look through, and it's just a bit surprising to me. Look,
I'm not condoning any illegal activity that takes place in
any of these schools. But when you're looking at what
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plays the biggest factors or issues with where the college
football game is right now, I don't think science stealing
is at the top of the list. And as I've
said when this first came out, there is two simple
solutions to this. Okay, go to the coach, the quarterback,
where you just call the play in the quarterbacks helmet
or bring back the huddle. A lot of teams will
(28:57):
huddle up and it takes away any ability whatsoever for.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
That team to get down their signals.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
If you put on a wristband, you can signal in
the plays that way, and people are what about them
stealing that, there's signals for the risk band. Well, first off,
when you've got three hundred plays, two hundred plays, it's
really hard to be able to steal that then because
you're probably only running a play maybe once, maybe twice. Okay,
that's hard to be able to do. And when you've
got people running out of huddles, you know with the
(29:23):
play there's no way of them stealing any of that.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
So those are the two quick ways.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
Of completely eliminating any advantage of sign stealing would have
in the game. And yet we don't see teams adapting
to that. I wonder why. I wonder why that is.
There are some teams that have taken advantage of the
sign stealing and they feel like they don't want it
to necessarily go away because maybe it's played a huge
advantage for them.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
So if this report from Larry Lage is true, and
you've got he sent over screenshots of other staffers at
other Big Ten schools who were corresponding about stealing Michigan signs,
If I'm Tony Pettiti and I've got all this stuff
and I've got these Big Ten coaches demanding that Michigan
be punished immediately, I'd say so. Apparently this was going on,
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a bunch of people are involved. So here's what we're
gonna do. Everybody, cut the crap. We're starting clean. No
more of this garbage, and let's just continue with the season,
because there's no way you can just punish Michigan when
you've got every other school who was doing the same
thing to them. It just feels like you're going down
this slippery slope where you're singling out Michigan and not
(30:30):
accounting for everybody else involved.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
I just think Forget's the point, though, you gotta just
forget real quick, just real quick. You just have to
assume that you'll know exactly why all these things took
place after Jim Harball leaves Michigan. Like think about how
many accusations, how many rule breaks, how many of these
(30:53):
things that are being discussed will be discussed once Harball
is not at Michigan, Like we'll know that's and will
know for certain that there was an agenda. It was
pointed directly at the coach of Michigan. And until he's
not there coaching, you're going to continue to have all
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of these mysterious allegations and rule breakings and all these
different things. You bought a cheeseburger and you supersized it
instead of just getting them a regular size, and you
bought it for the sister and the brother and the
uncle and the aunt, and now you're in trouble. I
think you'll will know exactly why all of these things
(31:35):
and all the speculation were the way that they were
when Harball isn't there anymore, because you're not going to
hear all of these things about Michigan once he's gone.
But while he's there, they're going to look for any
and every little thing that they can use to agitate
and facilitate and instigate movement with harball. That's what I
(31:58):
think it is. I don't know where it's coming from.
I don't know if it's the school, which I don't
think at this point it would be the school because
why would you want to like cut your nose despite
your face. I don't know that it's necessarily the school,
but it is coming from somewhere because it's easy to
see that tampering and cheating. I mean, did you guys
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see did you guys see the clip of coach Saban
after the game this past weekend where he gave the
player a hug on the field and he said, man,
you know you'd play a lot more if you were
with us like that.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
They caught that on film.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
A little flirting.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
They caught that on film, like you're telling the player
like I think it was the LSU player. Did they
just play LSU? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Okay, I think he says it right on the field,
like you know, you play more with us? Like got
it on film? Where's all the outrage that's tampering? You're recruiting?
So I think people pick and choose when they want
to make stories bigger stories, and there's always a reason
why you want to make that a bigger story. And
it's clearly, it's clearly that it's the coach that is
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the biggest focal point of what's going on, and they're
not going to stop until they receive his resignation or
the school is forced to take action against them. That's
what I think it is.
Speaker 7 (33:20):
It's a good point, and I was just gonna say
on the Patiti front again, precedent is a word that
you hear often in contract negotiations and labor negotiations and
really in most cases just the business world. And this
is one where when your takeover as a conference commissioner,
you got to be careful about what you put on
(33:41):
your plate as far as what you're responsible for. Maybe
Tony Pettiti wants this, Maybe he wants to appear to
have the type of control where he can punish coaches
in schools and teams for this. Maybe he wants to
build out a robust investigative arm of the Big Ten
in order to look into these sorts of matters and
not have it be an NCAA investigation. But I tend
(34:01):
to look at it and think, you know, be careful
what you wish for, because there's going to be always
unintended consequences when you open up I'll just call it
Pandora's box in the sense of, all right, you take
on this one issue, then that kind of opens up
speculation to well, where does it stop, Like if you
have all this power to punish Michigan for you know whatever,
(34:22):
you know, the sign stealing and what they were doing wrong,
where does it stop, Like, where does your ability to
punish a school, a coach, a player stop? And how
does it work in conjunction with the NCAA or does
it as if there's different opinions, I mean, the whole
thing I think becomes, you know, candidly just a mess
(34:42):
because we've we haven't seen this before. And that's why
I've been an advocate for saying, look, let the NCAA
run its course until we get to a point where
the you know, group of five power five looks different
and the college football Playoff expands and there's maybe a
different entity that is overseeing all of this, you know,
separate from the NCAA.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Then I think we can have.
Speaker 7 (35:04):
A conversation about what the power of that person looks
like and what they're responsible for.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
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Lee?
Speaker 9 (36:50):
What do we got going back in the vault here?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Guys?
Speaker 9 (36:53):
Would you rather live next to the married with children family,
the Bundees or the Connor family from Roseanne.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Oh Man Bundyes, I'm gonna go with Roseanne.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
Yeah, I'll go with the Bundies because al would be
fun to drink with.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
The mom and daughter were hot, so I'll go that.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
I think Goodman would definitely be more fun to hang
out with. Al Bundy was miserable, Yeah, but he was
pretty funny. He was funny, but he was funny as
a spectator. He probably wasn't. He wasn't funny to his
neighbor what was his name? Or to Marcy? Wasn't Marcy
or name? Like, they didn't they didn't like him. You
could be around the like that'saund of the Bundy family,
(37:42):
you know, it was. And their extended relatives. Man, they was,
They was taking lives out here, man.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
So I'm just saying I think the Bundies, I feel like,
had a little more, I don't know, a little more
of an attraction there.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
Yeah, mom and daughter were hot in the neighbors.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Oh yeah too Mary.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
There wasn't that her name? Marcy? I think so? Yeah,
I think that was her name. And Steve was the husband. Yeah,
that's right, right.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
I just I just think that the Roseanne family, you know,
whatever their names were. So I just think that they
would have been more fun to hang out with. Though
Roseanne has.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Told me he couldn't hang around Roseanne. That's a fast.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
They are Bears fans, though, so you gotta take that
into account.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Al, So you gotta be careful because they'll just get
rid of you on that show Roseanne, you know, if
they don't like what you saw.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
If you say, you know, say the wrong things.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, what else we got?
Speaker 9 (38:34):
Guys, whould you rather have for the next ten years?
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CJ.
Speaker 9 (38:36):
Strouder, Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
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Until we go to the break, I'm gonna answer right,
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Speaker 4 (00:40):
Come on, Jonas, what you know about this? Yeah? What
you know about rolling down in the deep? Jonas?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
What you know about a manman?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
What you know about it? Jonas?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
You know about a man?
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Man?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
This isn't time right here, I'm here. He was a
disruptor this weekend.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Destroyed it man. Yeah, it was a good.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Game for Was that his coming out game?
Speaker 5 (01:05):
No, he had a really good game the week before too.
He had about two three sacks in the game before,
like some tackles for losses, and then he tackled it
up with four and in round one of the CIF.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
So he looked pretty good. Man. He looks.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
He looks like he's kind of like the light switch
went off, you know, like the bulb went off.
Speaker 6 (01:24):
He's mean mugger too. He is a good mean mug
He got that, he's got that going for him.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Yeah, he's taller than me. Now, man, it's kind of crazy,
so I didn't wasn't expecting that.
Speaker 7 (01:35):
But yeah, he's a good kid. Do you still have
dad strength over him? Like if he tested you, could
you still wrestle him and get it done?
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Now that I'm back in the gym, yeah, I'm I'm
pretty good in that that category. But it's it's it's
it's getting away pretty quickly though.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Yeah, but he's he's not He's not one where I'd
have to wrestle him down. He's one that with I'd
have to hold him back from defending. Like he's he's
like he's wired that way, like he's that's my dude.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
You know, that's my dude. Yeah, my boys, My boys
are my boys. Man, you'll you'll figure that one out,
like as you go, man, like.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
That that that relationship, like the ones with your daughters
are super super dope, super different, but the ones with
your boys, man, like those are your boys. You know,
it's like it's it's like it's different. Then when you
start to shake their hand. In their hand, you can
feel like their strength is getting equal or more than yours.
It's it's like it's a weird feeling you feel, man,
(02:34):
but it's just a great sense of pride. You know,
it's good. He's good.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I love being a dad man. So there you go.
And knowing is knowing better than there really isn't. He's
the daddy. Yeah, I beat the pappy.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
That there baby, probably not whatever that was alluding to either,
but I beat the pappy.
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It is two pros and a cup of Joe.
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Here on Fox Sports Radio, it is LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn,
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Speaker 2 (03:00):
By the way, we are doing the shoe vibe.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
You'll know soon enough to oh we're getting it. But
you're already experiencing that because he's given you shiners and
stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
So you know, you guys are Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Oh, he loves saying in that physical, you know, interaction
of love.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
I just I like that he has no interest in
blippy or Coco Melon anymore. We're straight into sports trucks,
violence like that. That is the order of of what
he prefers to watch. Whether it's professional wrestling or anything else.
Like if he sees some action, he's into it. So
(03:36):
I kind of like that we've broken the the Coco
melon phase and now we're onto that because I couldn't
take it anymore.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
Just come from Wifey's side, though, because I feel like
you weren't You weren't really like that, were you?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Geez?
Speaker 8 (03:47):
I'm just asking.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
I trust me, if it was Wifey's side, he'd be
watching like telenovelas and all the other garbage on television.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
You seem a little more on like the sensitive side,
super sensitive.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
No that's not true.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
No, that's not a bad thing. And you weren't touch
with your feelings and hanging up you no, you know
better now upside.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Down waking up out of coffee like that just seems
to be your favorite past day.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Man, Why you coming at me?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Barang bang bang bang, Just sleep big conference.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
You wear black, don't you all the time?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I am right now head to toe black?
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Oh crack?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Don't you?
Speaker 4 (04:29):
All right?
Speaker 6 (04:30):
So let's get into the look back, because we are
at the halfway point of the NFL season. So we thought,
all right, so how bad were our preseason picks? So
we before the year a couple of months back, we
decided to pick each division winner and three wild card
teams out of the AFC and the NFC, and then
obviously we've got our Super Bowl picks that we get
(04:50):
to at the end of all this.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Of course, come on.
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Please sure high level production here at a little after
four am Pacific time here at Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
So lead to Lap. You've got the results.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
So he's gonna start, probably in the AFC, then we're
gonna go over to the NFC, and then we'll just
go ahead and discussed how awful some of these decisions
were that we made.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Before the year.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Lee, take it away. So that's right.
Speaker 9 (05:14):
We're gonna start with the divisional picks here, and we'll
start with Brady, who had the Jags. You actually had
a lot of win losses here, So you had Jags
twelve five obviously winning the South, Chiefs winning the West,
Bengals winning the North, who are now currently sitting in
the last place even though they're tied with the Steelers
and Browns.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
They're all playoff teams so far. Lee, thanks for giving
me credit.
Speaker 9 (05:35):
And the Jets at East. Yes you are, you're credit
for Jags.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Me in the time Oh, I didn't have the Jets
winning the ease. Oh because of Rogers. Rogers, that's right.
Speaker 7 (05:46):
Yeah, Well I was looking at back through thing and
I thought I had the Bills, But I had the
Bills is the playoff?
Speaker 9 (05:54):
Speaking of the Bills, LeVar, you did have the Bills
winning the East. You had the Bengals winning the North
as well. No, that is correct, and the Jags picking
the South a teaser or spoiler alert. Everybody picked the
Jags to win the South and the Chargers to win
the West. Jumping right over to Jonas, Jonas, you also
had the Chargers to win the West. Jags do win
the South, the Ravens do win the North, and the
(06:16):
Bills also to win the East.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
All right, Well, I uh yeah, I don't feel good
about the Chargers. Defense was great last night, but I
just I'm not betting against Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I just learned my lesson. I try.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
That's weird that I would have that, knowing that I
have the Kansas City Chiefs in the Super Bowl. That's weird,
which would lead us out, why Bore you do do some.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Weird stuff sometimes, so that's you know, I'm different.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
If it was Jonas I'd be like, that is weird,
But for you, I'd be like, yeah, but I could
see you.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
You're doing that with your weird ass.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
It may play out that way. The Chargers may win
the division and the Chiefs may end up a wild.
Speaker 8 (06:55):
Card team with your weird ass.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
That's weird ass.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
That's right as you.
Speaker 9 (07:00):
Did here, Var as your wild card pick alongside the
Dolphins and the Steelers. For you, LeVar, yet the Chiefs, Dolphins,
and Steelers as your world card team.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
Oh well, you know the Steelers aren't making it, so
we'll go I don't know, we don't know that.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Why do you know that.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
There's not a shot in hell Pittsford makes the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
There's a shot in hell they're in it right now. Man,
you can't say that, all right, they'd be the five
seed right now.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
I'm willing to place a large wager in by large,
I mean at least fifteen bucks the Steelers don't make
the play.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
You're shorting the Steelers shorting playoffs playoffs?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, thank you, coach.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Wow, Odds don't don't go in favor of what you're saying. Bro.
Speaker 7 (07:37):
You know, yeah, but I don't mind that back because
he's gonna get more value right now if you let
the season play out now and they do it, I'm
not making it.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Those odds on only go down. All right, Lee, what
have we got in the NFC?
Speaker 9 (07:47):
Well, Brady, real quick, your wildcard teams were Baltimore, Cleveland
and Denver, Oh and Jonas. Your wildcard teams were the Chiefs, Jets,
and Broncos.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Yeah, theod bad one's Denver?
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Yeah yeah, well, yeah, off the shove.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Off their charge the West.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
Hold on a second, why the hell did we have
Denver going to the playoffs?
Speaker 4 (08:11):
First off, look, they're three and five.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
They're on a better run right now. Grand they're way
back there, but that doesn't mean they can't climb.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Out of it.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
But upon further review, that was just a bad pick
we bought into Sean Payton, all right, that's all.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
It was a Sean Payton pick.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Past Man, all.
Speaker 9 (08:28):
Right, what about the NFC lea NFC fellas divisional, Brady,
you had the Cowboys win in the East, Saints in
the South, Niners in the West, Vikings in the North.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
Yeah, well Dallas after the lost Cousins Jefferson and now
Camp Yeah, they still the Lions. It's all playoff teams
as of now, they're all playoff teams.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Now.
Speaker 9 (08:49):
I'm just surprised you didn't take the Lions because you're
you've always been bullish on those Lions.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
But that's true.
Speaker 9 (08:55):
That's where that's where Brady and Jonas picked. They both
went with the Lions in the North. Uh, LaVar, you
had Eagles in the East, Saints in the South, Niners
in the West.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Okay, who did I have in the North? You have?
Speaker 9 (09:07):
You had the Lions?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Yeah, right, correct.
Speaker 9 (09:09):
Jonas also had Lions in the North, Seahawks in the West,
Saints in the South, Cowboys in the East.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
Damn right, hey, that that dog's gonna hunt. I'm telling
you all four of those things are gonna happen. Cowboys
are winning that division right now. I'm telling you they're
not right now.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
You didn't just see what happened this past week.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Yeah, listen, I'm not gonna get caught up in the
weeds here, all right. I'm focused on the positive stuff.
And Dallas look good in that game. Your boy, Michael Carson.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
You're still alive. That's all I care about.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
What about the wild cards?
Speaker 9 (09:36):
Wild card? Brady, you had Packers, Eagles, Seahawks.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I think Packers. Packers ain't going make it.
Speaker 9 (09:44):
LeVar, you had Commanders, Viking Seahawks.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Commanders ain't going make it. Hey, they're in the eighth
spot though they're not that far out.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Damn, they ain't going make it, said Hell looks good?
Speaker 9 (09:53):
And Jonas, you had the Niners, Eagles, Bears.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
No always you know, I didn't know. I did not.
That is that is MS representation. I would not I
would not have picked the Bears.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
What happened a Bears?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well what happened?
Speaker 9 (10:15):
Is?
Speaker 6 (10:15):
I said the Bears, what happened? Jonas, have happened? I
said the Bears? Well, what happened?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I said?
Speaker 9 (10:22):
The Bears sad like that.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
Are going to be way out of the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Why did I think the Bears are gonna j justice?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Happened?
Speaker 4 (10:35):
What happened? What that's from a movie? Yeah? I remember what? Well?
What happened? God?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Why why did I think man.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
The Bears because their defense was pretty decent, saying like
they could have been trending in the right direction.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
Look, they fired two assistant coaches and nobody knows why.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Just all right, so I'm are you to do this?
Speaker 7 (11:00):
But how many playoff teams currently, Like how many do
we have that are that are currently in the hunt?
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Or like, in the playoffs started today.
Speaker 9 (11:10):
Most of you are averaging about six six conference.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Yeah, okay, that's pretty good, six out of seven.
Speaker 7 (11:16):
So you to only have one team out something, I mean,
the seating will change in the NFC.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Maybe you get a couple of teams. I don't know,
I don't know. I'll put it through this way.
Speaker 7 (11:26):
Do you guys think Washington, Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Green Bay?
I mean, oh god, all those teams are sub five.
Are any of those teams getting in?
Speaker 4 (11:35):
No? No.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
So here's the crazy thing though, is the Vikings literally
are playing with a third string quarterback who just got there.
They justin Jefferson's not back yet. They just lost Cam
Akers who they traded for. I mean that team has
been decimated by inju.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Kevin O'Connell should get Coach of the year considered.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
If they make the playoffs, hands down, like you'd have.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
To think that they would, they would. He should get
Coach of the Year.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
And I know Demiko Ryans is the popular pick right now,
but I just with everything you just laid out and
all the injuries they cannot catch a break, and if
they get into that final wildcard spot, that's that's pretty
impressive all things considered.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
And were they did? They start Owen three?
Speaker 7 (12:18):
They were an Owen three football team, and they fought
back and literally they keep losing, guys, it's awful.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Yep, they found a way to win. Josh Dalls baby.
Speaker 9 (12:29):
Finally, guys, we did have the playoff picks. I'll just
start here with Brady. You had the Jags losing to
the Bengals, Cowboys beating the Niners, and then in the
Super Bowl you had the Bengals beating the Cowboys.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
Still there, it's there, all right, LaVar.
Speaker 9 (12:46):
You had a repeat that you got, LaVar. You had
a repeat of the Chiefs repeating over the over the Eagles.
That's the balls and Jonas, you had the Cowboys beating
the Chargers.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
That's ballsy right there, by the way, it's a ballsy
it's not half.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
Did you guys see the thing that's going around on
social media about the colors of the logo of the
Super Bowl logo have like the past couple of seasons
ended up being the teams that have played in it. Really, yes,
and so this year, I believe the colors are like
purple and red. And so there's a thought Baltimore San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
H I mean Multimore.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
That's not a bad that's not a bad pool.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Well, no, they can San Francisco better tight enough if
they want to live up to that Kansas city.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
In that case, league, I mean, so Niners, I mean
Niners Ravens would be upon Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I saw that.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
We saw that back what in twenty thirteen, So hopefully
they'll keep the lights on the entire time not get
shut down. They remember that conspiracy back then when they thought.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Wasn't it really just like a homeless guy who like
pulled the.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Wrong something like that, Like he was trying to put
his tent up and he hit was that one in
San fran Or was that New Orleans?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
No, that was in New Orleans.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
It was New ORLEANSO. I thought it was like this
sounds like a holess guy's like, oh what was this?
Speaker 6 (14:04):
He thought he thought it was to open up one
of the gates and instead it turned all the lights off,
or some guy.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Who got wild on Bourbon Street. It's like, oh, let's
party with this thing.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Okay, so you might this is a little surprising to me.
If you guys had to guess in order, what the
odds say coach of the Year would go to right
now courtesy of DraftKings, Like, if you had to guess
in order, what would you say, like the first like
top three or four for coach of the year.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I mean, Jamiko Ryan's up there.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
Dan Campbell has to be up there, I would say,
is I mean maybe Siriannie.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
They're not putting up there.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
He should be lost both coordinators and they're eight and one,
the best record in the league so far. Outside of that,
I mean, I don't know. Is Doug Peterson a part
of their six and two?
Speaker 6 (14:52):
So Doug Peterson is near the top. But the order
goes like this, Dan Campbell at plus one eighty, Mike
McDaniel at four to one, at five to one, Robert
Sala at ten to one, John harbought ten to one,
Nick Sirianni at fifteen to one, and our guy, Kevin
O'Connell at sixteen to one. If they get to the playoffs,
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how the hell can you not give it to Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
Dude, it would be it would be incredible. That would
be an incredible run, incredible story for that team.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, so that is a look back at the happening.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I'm rooting for Don I'm too.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I think it's great.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
I think he's the best story in the NFL this season.
The ways handle himself, I mean, forget I mean he's
played well too, especially considered the circumstances, but just the
way he conducts himself and represents himself, ma'am.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
It's awesome. It is. It's awesome for.
Speaker 7 (15:48):
The NFL to have a guy like that who can
be on three teams in one year and be helping
it team stay in the hunt for the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
It's just it's the coolest story to me. You know,
his nickname, what's that? Dobbs Kevin O'Connell what ko Cock?
Speaker 8 (16:04):
Oh Jesus, that's his nickname.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I don't know that anyone calls him that though, you
just call him KOs. I mean that's that's what I've heard.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Red Light District. Yeah, damn getaway, Dave bar.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
That was gonna be a first.
Speaker 10 (16:26):
I got it too, Sam, I got it. I mean
he's not lying, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
You know that's his name.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
His name, it is uh, two pros and a cup
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Speaker 8 (17:20):
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Speaker 5 (17:37):
Oh yeah you know who this is.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
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Speaker 2 (17:48):
What yeah, this song stinks?
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Nah man, let's jag it edge brother. Yeah, it's a
really good song.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
What's it called? Where's the party at Sam with the
pod party yet? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
So the Red Light District was here in the studio.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
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Speaker 5 (18:09):
Wow?
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Speaker 6 (18:13):
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Speaker 4 (18:17):
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of Joe as what you did.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
And in about twenty minutes from now, the party's really
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So that'll be fun to see what Leaves come up
with for us here a little over twenty minutes from
now here on FSR uh.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Stay college baby?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
So, and the way travel works, if you want to
get out to that game by Saturday, you got to
leave like what two days.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Ago today, Okay, just to make sure, you know, with
all of the delays and cancelations and just making you
miss flights by keeping you out on the jetway, you
gotta leave literally on Tuesday to try to make it
for the game on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Of pain. I mean, I'm not leaving on Tuesday, but
I won't be there on Saturday.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Well, there's a possibility you might not be there, you
might not make it.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
I'll make it. There's always a possibly, make it. There
always the possibility.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I'm just trying to make sure I get myself three
to four yesterdays. Yeah, two dates, three days of delays, yes, correct, Yeah,
that's what I wa was. Yeah, you know that's better
than jumping in a car and having to drive six hours,
you know what I mean. Like, I'm a little tabit
traumatized by it. Also, I'm gonna leave a little earlier.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
When you drove six hours? Where did you drive.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
To the graduate hotel? Right to it?
Speaker 5 (19:38):
I didn't collect two hundred dollars. I just passed it
was Tel though I was in Columbus.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Oh no, so it wasn't.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
I guess it's a hatred spot for some of those
teams of North Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
But I'm going to the graduate tonight and that is
my graduate hotel.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
So there's one, say College, there's another in Columbus.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
In fact, I think the key that you may receive
at the graduate is one of me.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I believe. Yeah, my my.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Hashtag relatable.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
I mean, you know I played at Penn State.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, so I get it.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Yeah, that's it. That's so. You know my student idea
is your your key card? Yeah? Go figure it's nice.
Flex that's a cool little little deal, you know. Good
news for you.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
You roll in the TGI Fridays or Toys r us.
I'm probably on one of those ID cards too. I
want to talk about resumes. We can have a resume
off here.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
I will touch at LeVar Allen tonight for certain, that
will be on my resume.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
One or two probably one. Oh, you'll be pretty late and.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
It's you go to two ten where they do the
little pictures, right.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Yeah, it'll be a little late when I get there.
So yeah, they got those like, yeah, they're pictures mini pitchers.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
We'll get banged up, just one bang banging, yeah, and.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
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So it was mentioned it is going to be the
big one this weekend. You've got Michigan, You've got Penn
State in State College. Now the question is whether or
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not Jim Harbaugh is going to be there. The Michigan
was formally notified by the Big Ten yesterday that it
could be facing disciplinary action from the league, which is
something they have to do to let them know like, hey,
we decided to do this. We're just giving you the
heads up. This could go down, and then there's all
sorts of different and we talked about it yesterday. There's
different rumors and angles to this. I mean, it is
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really spread and become just a fascinating story to see
whose side is trying to trying to get out there.
But Larry and I want to make sure I have
this wreck. Larry lag of the Associated.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Press, all right, that's not far off from a poor name.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Okay, well, but it's not far off. It could be Laige.
It could be Laige.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
But he did report yesterday, according to the AP, that
a former employee at a Big Ten football program said
Monday that his job was to steal signs and he
was given details from multiple conference schools before his team
played Michigan to compile a spreadsheet of play calling signals
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used by the Wolverines last year. I basically other teams
in the conference were like, all right, so then we're
gonna go ahead and get their signs and use those
as well too, which points to something that Brady pointed
out on this show a couple of weeks ago, which
I got a lot of pushback when you said this
goes on in a lot of places, and here's a
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guy saying I gave this evidence over to Jim Harbaugh
and to Michigan because I didn't feel like it was
fair that they're being criticized and singled out when you
had a rogue assistant coach going out and doing these
things that have been done to Michigan over the past
year plus. And here's your evidence. So now another layer
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to this whole thing.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
I want to be very clear with everything I'm about
to say next, Okay, and I'm hoping our friends at
Fox Sports ready on social media can actually clip this
off and include it. Okay, just because I have said
that it goes on in other places, that doesn't mean
that I condone it. I'm just telling you what I know.
It's no different. And LaVar, I'll ask you this like,
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do schools pay players outside of nil when they recruit?
Do the schools pay, do schools or alums, etc? I
mean you know where it's coming from. Yes, Okay, that
has gone on forever. Is it illegal?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yes? Do teams always get caught very rarely? All right?
Speaker 7 (24:05):
There are elaborate schemes and ways in which they do it.
I won't go into depth. But also illegal. Do we
make a big deal about it?
Speaker 4 (24:14):
No?
Speaker 7 (24:15):
Because now we hide behind well it's nil. Well even
nil's not being done in the proper manner in some ways,
but the NCAA doesn't have the teeth to be able
to punish them for that.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
This is a little bit different.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
And the NCAA investigation for this, I'm sure, well, if
they have the actual evidence of Connor stallions at opposing
teams filming those signals, filming sidelines that they'll be punished
for it if they have evidence of it, because you're
not supposed to do that based on a rule that
was created back in nineteen ninety four. But I want
to be very clear, just because I'm telling you that
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out there there are schools who are going to pay
players to get them as recruits. I don't think it's
a news flash to anyone. I'm not condoning it, but
I'm telling you what happens. It goes on elaborate schemes. Okay,
it's no different with the signs stealing. And I've had
people who are coaching I've never heard Okay, you haven't
heard of this. Okay, this goes on to other schools
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and maybe not in the same manner in which Michigan
has done this. But I know of coaches who are
responsible for signs stealing and doing this. There's the quote
unquote analysts who aren't even on your school's campuses, who
are all throughout the country that are able to go
to other games and see this and try to steal signs.
So look, I'm not saying I'm not trying to defend
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Michigan in any way, but also I am trying to
provide the perspective that it goes on everywhere else too.
There's a lot of other ways in which people do it,
and coaches who act like, oh, I know coaches who
are trying to say it doesn't go on that, I'm like,
I know the guy who's doing it for y'all.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
So don't say it doesn't go on because I know
the coach who was doing it.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
So my whole point is that I don't think it
plays as big of an impact in a game because one,
let's just look at it this way, as we talked
about last year, when teams knew this was going on. TCU,
for example, some of the schools that have been open
about and say, well, we changed everything, we changed our signals,
change our calls, all that. Okay, So then really, what
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benefit of having old signs and things like that, How.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Does that benefit you?
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Even if they're an attempt at cheating, If they've changed
everything and they get it in game, they've got a
guy who's trying to steal signs, which, by the way,
if you're on the sidelines in game trying to steal signs,
that's legal. There's nothing wrong with that. And if the
team changed everything, they maybe figure out by a third
fourth quarter. Okay, that's part of the gamesmanship that goes
on and that's allowed within the rules. But my point is,
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like taking them from what they were the signals, being
able to confirm in game if those actually are the signals,
and then being able to throughout the course of the
game while teams are making adjustments, work it all out
so you're making calls that are effective to execute against that,
It's hard to know exactly how big of an impact
it has. What has a much bigger impact and what's
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happening right now in college football, and in my opinion,
is a bigger issue than this is tampering. There are
schools in bigger schools or other schools that are competing
that are big schools with one another who're tampering with
kids on rosters. If I can grab a five star
kid or another school star and offer him whatever amount
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of money, which is one hundred percent inducement, is illegal,
is illegal within the rules, and I get that team
a kid on my team. That is way more of
an advantage than sign stealing. Yet we're making a big
deal about the Michigan signce stealing and because of the
Connor Stallion's character and the success of Michigan and probably
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how Jim Harbaugh has handled things and how he is
with the media anyway, and it's a big brand when
the reality is that's not one of the biggest issues
that college football faces. Tampering is a much more widespread
issue as well that I think plays a much greater
impact on teams and their ability to compete, where you
have coaches on the field after games who are offering
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kids money and I've heard firsthand from kids, So that
to me is a much greater issue that I guess
the NCAA doesn't want to investigate or doesn't want to
look through, and it's just a bit surprising to me. Look,
I'm not condoning any illegal activity that takes place in
any of these schools. But when you're looking at what
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plays the biggest factors or issues with where the college
football game is right now, I don't think science stealing
is at the top of the list. And as I've
said when this first came out, there is two simple
solutions to this. Okay, go to the coach, the quarterback,
where you just call the play in the quarterbacks helmet
or bring back the huddle. A lot of teams will
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huddle up and it takes away any ability whatsoever for.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
That team to get down their signals.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
If you put on a wristband, you can signal in
the plays that way, and people are what about them
stealing that, there's signals for the risk band. Well, first off,
when you've got three hundred plays, two hundred plays, it's
really hard to be able to steal that then because
you're probably only running a play maybe once, maybe twice. Okay,
that's hard to be able to do. And when you've
got people running out of huddles, you know with the
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play there's no way of them stealing any of that.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
So those are the two quick ways.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
Of completely eliminating any advantage of sign stealing would have
in the game. And yet we don't see teams adapting
to that. I wonder why. I wonder why that is.
There are some teams that have taken advantage of the
sign stealing and they feel like they don't want it
to necessarily go away because maybe it's played a huge
advantage for them.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
So if this report from Larry Lage is true, and
you've got he sent over screenshots of other staffers at
other Big Ten schools who were corresponding about stealing Michigan signs,
If I'm Tony Pettiti and I've got all this stuff
and I've got these Big Ten coaches demanding that Michigan
be punished immediately, I'd say so. Apparently this was going on,
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a bunch of people are involved. So here's what we're
gonna do. Everybody, cut the crap. We're starting clean. No
more of this garbage, and let's just continue with the season,
because there's no way you can just punish Michigan when
you've got every other school who was doing the same
thing to them. It just feels like you're going down
this slippery slope where you're singling out Michigan and not
(30:30):
accounting for everybody else involved.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
I just think Forget's the point, though, you gotta just
forget real quick, just real quick. You just have to
assume that you'll know exactly why all these things took
place after Jim Harball leaves Michigan. Like think about how
many accusations, how many rule breaks, how many of these
(30:53):
things that are being discussed will be discussed once Harball
is not at Michigan, Like we'll know that's and will
know for certain that there was an agenda. It was
pointed directly at the coach of Michigan. And until he's
not there coaching, you're going to continue to have all
(31:13):
of these mysterious allegations and rule breakings and all these
different things. You bought a cheeseburger and you supersized it
instead of just getting them a regular size, and you
bought it for the sister and the brother and the
uncle and the aunt, and now you're in trouble. I
think you'll will know exactly why all of these things
(31:35):
and all the speculation were the way that they were
when Harball isn't there anymore, because you're not going to
hear all of these things about Michigan once he's gone.
But while he's there, they're going to look for any
and every little thing that they can use to agitate
and facilitate and instigate movement with harball. That's what I
(31:58):
think it is. I don't know where it's coming from.
I don't know if it's the school, which I don't
think at this point it would be the school because
why would you want to like cut your nose despite
your face. I don't know that it's necessarily the school,
but it is coming from somewhere because it's easy to
see that tampering and cheating. I mean, did you guys
(32:19):
see did you guys see the clip of coach Saban
after the game this past weekend where he gave the
player a hug on the field and he said, man,
you know you'd play a lot more if you were
with us like that.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
They caught that on film.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
A little flirting.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
They caught that on film, like you're telling the player
like I think it was the LSU player. Did they
just play LSU? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Okay, I think he says it right on the field,
like you know, you play more with us? Like got
it on film? Where's all the outrage that's tampering? You're recruiting?
So I think people pick and choose when they want
to make stories bigger stories, and there's always a reason
why you want to make that a bigger story. And
it's clearly, it's clearly that it's the coach that is
(33:08):
the biggest focal point of what's going on, and they're
not going to stop until they receive his resignation or
the school is forced to take action against them. That's
what I think it is.
Speaker 7 (33:20):
It's a good point, and I was just gonna say
on the Patiti front again, precedent is a word that
you hear often in contract negotiations and labor negotiations and
really in most cases just the business world. And this
is one where when your takeover as a conference commissioner,
you got to be careful about what you put on
(33:41):
your plate as far as what you're responsible for. Maybe
Tony Pettiti wants this, Maybe he wants to appear to
have the type of control where he can punish coaches
in schools and teams for this. Maybe he wants to
build out a robust investigative arm of the Big Ten
in order to look into these sorts of matters and
not have it be an NCAA investigation. But I tend
(34:01):
to look at it and think, you know, be careful
what you wish for, because there's going to be always
unintended consequences when you open up I'll just call it
Pandora's box in the sense of, all right, you take
on this one issue, then that kind of opens up
speculation to well, where does it stop, Like if you
have all this power to punish Michigan for you know whatever,
(34:22):
you know, the sign stealing and what they were doing wrong,
where does it stop, Like, where does your ability to
punish a school, a coach, a player stop? And how
does it work in conjunction with the NCAA or does
it as if there's different opinions, I mean, the whole
thing I think becomes, you know, candidly just a mess
(34:42):
because we've we haven't seen this before. And that's why
I've been an advocate for saying, look, let the NCAA
run its course until we get to a point where
the you know, group of five power five looks different
and the college football Playoff expands and there's maybe a
different entity that is overseeing all of this, you know,
separate from the NCAA.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Then I think we can have.
Speaker 7 (35:04):
A conversation about what the power of that person looks
like and what they're responsible for.
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Speaker 2 (36:50):
Lee?
Speaker 9 (36:50):
What do we got going back in the vault here?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Guys?
Speaker 9 (36:53):
Would you rather live next to the married with children family,
the Bundees or the Connor family from Roseanne.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Oh Man Bundyes, I'm gonna go with Roseanne.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
Yeah, I'll go with the Bundies because al would be
fun to drink with.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
The mom and daughter were hot, so I'll go that.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
I think Goodman would definitely be more fun to hang
out with. Al Bundy was miserable, Yeah, but he was
pretty funny. He was funny, but he was funny as
a spectator. He probably wasn't. He wasn't funny to his
neighbor what was his name? Or to Marcy? Wasn't Marcy
or name? Like, they didn't they didn't like him. You
could be around the like that'saund of the Bundy family,
(37:42):
you know, it was. And their extended relatives. Man, they was,
They was taking lives out here, man.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
So I'm just saying I think the Bundies, I feel like,
had a little more, I don't know, a little more
of an attraction there.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
Yeah, mom and daughter were hot in the neighbors.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Oh yeah too Mary.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
There wasn't that her name? Marcy? I think so? Yeah,
I think that was her name. And Steve was the husband. Yeah,
that's right, right.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
I just I just think that the Roseanne family, you know,
whatever their names were. So I just think that they
would have been more fun to hang out with. Though
Roseanne has.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Told me he couldn't hang around Roseanne. That's a fast.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
They are Bears fans, though, so you gotta take that
into account.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Al, So you gotta be careful because they'll just get
rid of you on that show Roseanne, you know, if
they don't like what you saw.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
If you say, you know, say the wrong things.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, what else we got?
Speaker 9 (38:34):
Guys, whould you rather have for the next ten years?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
CJ.
Speaker 9 (38:36):
Strouder, Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Trevor, Lawrence oh Rady, who would you rather?
Speaker 5 (38:42):
Until we go to the break, I'm gonna answer right,
it's so.
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