December 31, 2021 • 39 mins
Jonas, Brady and LaVar give their rebuttal to Colin Cowherd and explain why it truly matters how players and coaches leave their teams. Senior NFL Reporter Albert Breer talks week 17, coaching vacancies, Hall of Fame finalists and CFB Playoffs. Plus, a special edition of Over/Under's.
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You do it. Oh man, it's just awkward. It isn't
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really awkward. We will yeah good. We are just trying
to catch my breath here, Uh, just trying to uh,
you know, walked in. I walked into the production studio
and Roberto wasn't lying what you call would you call
Lee Roberto? He's a he's a penal though, whatever that is,
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don't say it wrong. But I think that's good. That's
not a curse word. It's not a curse word. It
was a curse word. I was thinking it just sounded
like something else that the way you said it. Oh yeah, yeah,
I just want to make it awkward for you, that's all. It's. Uh, Lee,
you got problems, dude, Like I don't know. Yeah, I
knew that was a bad one right away. To apologize.
I uh yeah, I had to apologize. But the problem
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is what you met last night? Do I name them? Um,
it was a little bit of everything. So you don't
have to name the chain. But you know, if you
want to name the you know what you ate direction. Yeah, yeah,
I was with you on that bradio. You don't want
to name it. Weird way of framing that Chinese. I
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was hoping it was food. At least he had some Chinese. Um,
some hot dogs definitely next in there, so some Chinese,
some hot dogs. So so Chinese food can include hot dogs.
That's that's something different. Yeah, it's just a mixed bag,
you know it was all over the place yesterday. Did
you get some chicken wings? You know, throw some wings
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in there? There was some chicken actually this morning. Yeah,
some leftover chicken this morning. But how about some chili? No,
no chili yesterday. Let me tell you something. With that
mixture of thinks he's gonna I'm trying to now. I
need to be healthy now. I need to start making
some healthy real quick. Do people eat leftover wings? Because
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I feel like there's a big, big difference when you
get wings hot like fresh, and then if you eat
them like cold. I've done that before. I've been like, yeah,
I'm not gonna do this again. I'm going to fresh
on wings tonight. I think certain wings you can in
bone in you can eat cold, but boneless just sit
different when they're cold because they get dry. They get
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really really dry. So when you have bone in, it
just but even with bone in, it depends like like
if I if I were to compare chains, it's like
if you went to hair and and just say the kernel,
there's doesn't really taste that good cold, But if you
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go over here and it's the sailor man's it's it's
actually pretty dog on good out of the refrigerator cold. Interesting,
there you go, some some blace. I don't want to
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to plug. Hey, you know, so it is tomorrow about
the way. It is, Happy new year to everyone. It's
a happy new year. Will be getting you off and
running tomorrow. Are you going tomorrow? You better believe it.
Are you gonna be on tomorrow? Better believe it? Man.
I get everybody wake their ass up from a hangover,
and I get going early on a Saturday. They're going
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to be waking up while you're talking, and then by
the time you're done and we come on, then they'll
be ready to list. Say that's fine, I'm happy to
be on the undercard. No problem here. Um, here's the
the situation that went down. Um, Colin Cowherd, Fox Sports
radio brethren here. You can hear him nine to noon
Pacific time, noon to three Eastern time here on many
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of these Fox Sports radio affiliates. Uh. He sent out
a tweet that said the following quote. Oklahoma fans don't
quite get it. You do realize if it pisces you
off a coach left, that's because he was good. Gator
fans celebrated ron Zook leaving. Wolverine fans celebrated similarly with
Brady Hoke and stop with the it's how he left
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bs great athletes, head coaches always leave on their terms.
End tweet, to which Brady Quinn replied, yeah, we'll get
into that tomorrow on the show. So the four here's
Brady Quinn and I'm assuming you took issue with the
tweet by calling coward, well, I take issue with this
for a number of reasons. One because it's really solely
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based around his opinion. It's just his opinion, and he's
talking down to Oklahoma fans like they can't have their
opinion or their side and all of this. And and
let me just take you to a couple of examples.
Lebron James, same class in high school as Lebron James.
We actually tried to get him to come down to
the U. S. Army All American Game as dumb as
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that sounds right to play in it in San Antonio,
Texas when I was a senior in high school because
we wanted to try to come down to be our
wide receiver. Right he was that good at that athlete
didn't even play a senior year high school football. Only
last year he played was junior year, and we were
still trying to recruit him to come down and play
because he was that good at football too. And obviously
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he decided not to come. I think we even brought
on like one of his high school teammates just to
see if just to see if he would he would
still come down to ly show up in the game.
So I've I had known Lebron a little bit from that,
but obviously when I got drafted to Cleveland, had the
chance to meet him, be around that crew a little
bit for the few years I was there, and obviously
watched them throughout his entire career. Have always been a
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fan of him. When he decided to leave Cleveland the
first time, to me, it was never something that I
was like emotionally attached to or didn't understand the reasons
as to why he was leaving. When he left, it
was like pouring gasoline on the fire because of how
he did it, because of how he left, Like do
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you remember the decision? Do you guys remember like what
he was actually doing at the decision that day? He's
raising money for charity exactly, But is that what anyone
remembers from that day? They remember him going on national
television in Akron, Ohio, which is close proximity to Cleveland,
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and telling everyone and even the way he said it,
It wasn't that he said he was gonna go to
the Miami Heat and try to win a championships or
go with the legendary pat Riley and Dwyane Wade and
these other guys. He said, I'm taking my talents to
South Beach like that that I mean, that could be
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You can take that out of context wherever you want
and whatever industry you want, But it was the way
he said it. It was the way he did it.
That was but that was what infuriated fans. That's what
made it visceral. That's what made them upset about how
he left. It wasn't that he left. There was a
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lot of people who understood that Dan Gilbert is not
a good owner, or they felt like he wasn't a
good owner at that time and didn't do enough to
help surround Lebron to give him what he needed to
win a championship. You know, I went to that game
four that when they got swept in the finals and
and took my dad and watched that firsthand, and you
all collectively and sitting around people talking about it, you're like,
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he needs help, he needs more. This isn't enough to
help him win a championship. And a lot of people
were understanding of that, especially Cleveland Cavaliers fans. And now
the second time that might be a little bit different story.
But the reality is it wasn't that he left. It
was how he left. Because that's all we remember is
how he left and how he chose to even though
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he was trying to do it for a great cause.
It was the decision. And that's just one example, right
Tom Brady, the Tom Brady live in New England Patriots.
I mean, there wasn't like there was a ton of
people who were sitting there and burning jerseys and so forth,
and why because of how he left. He did it
in a classy manner. And granted he had a ton
of success there, so what are you gonna say at
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that point in time. But also there was a way
in which he went about doing it that it didn't
ruffle the feathers of fans people. People realize at that
point in time, hey, this this thing's come to its end.
But they both did it in classy ways that allowed
him to separate and move on. And so there wasn't
this like outrage about all of it. And so look,
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if if Lincoln Riley or any other coach you would
have put into that during the college football coaching cycle,
if they wanted to leave, is it gonna staying? Sure?
But the reality is like to sit there and talk
down to fan bases and act like you're some omnipotent
being when you're really just giving your opinion. Because the
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reality is if they had handled a little bit different
and not done it over at twenty four hour period
and not felt like, you know, they needed to do
a certain way, it would feel different, no different than
the difference between Lebron and Tom and how both those
guys ended up leaving to go other places. It's how
they left, That's what I mean. It's so different than
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a relationship when you get a bad breakup. I mean,
at some point relationships end. When you have a bad breakup,
you're much less than tuned to ever talk to that
person ever. Again, it's probably more scarring. It's probably something
you remember when it's more amicable. You end up kind
of walking away, going off. I see them again at
say a lower maybe we catch up down the road
or something like that. Maybe if we work in the
same you know, business or industry, we you know, maybe
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you know, help kind of share some business here and
there or something like that. But to me, it's always
how it ends. It's always how you left, because when
you don't do it the right way, that's when you
get that sort of emotion from people. And so I
couldn't disagree anymore about all of it. I mean, you can,
I can. I can give you any example you want
of when I was cut and how a team would
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handle it versus how a team you know didn't handle it.
I mean there's there's there's different examples of it. But
I just think that's an opinion that is solely to him. So,
you know, stop speaking town to a fan base that
is sitting there right now feeling good about where they're
at with Brenton Venables, the future of the job that
Bob Stoops did. It just it doesn't make any sense
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to me taking such a hard stance on it, you know.
How further your point you use an example of of
an athlete to whom much has given much is required.
We're talking about a coach, and when and when you
talk about what the level of of accountability is for
the leader of the flock, not a pair, but the leader.
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When you know things in a certain manner, it just
it doesn't it doesn't feel good. It will be like
a pastor changing, you know, changing churches. Like you know,
I got a bigger church, I got a bigger, better church.
I'm gonna go over here, uh within twenty four hours,
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you know, Like if you want to hear my my sermon,
come here transfer to this church the Holy Spirit. Guys,
there you go. You know, I just think that there's
something to be said about that, because, listen, there are
so many there are so many things that that young
people are are thinking about when they go to a
school to play. There are a lot of things that
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they don't know. There are a lot of things that
the parents are thinking about, and there are a lot
of things that the parents don't know. And sometimes you
don't get the opportunity to really sit back and assess
things at its face value because there's so many things
that you have to entertain for yourself. One of the
things that I would immediately think if I went to
USC is will he do it to us? And do
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I want to go play out of school? Where can
I can I trust that for at least three years
if I'm good enough to to get out of here
in three years, But if I'm gonna be here for
four or five years, are these people gonna be here?
That made a big That was big for me in
the schools I looked at when I was coming out
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of school, You gotta think I looked at Florida State,
I looked at Miami, Michigan and Penn State, right and Miami.
They they weren't they weren't stable, and and they actually
were ended up going going on probation. Florida State they
had Bobby Bouton. I'm gonna go there, you know why,
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because I believe in who Bobby Bouton says he is
and and and I believe in what that represented to
me and what I wanted to try to accomplish and
get done in college. I didn't get recruited. Is is
hard as I would have liked to from Florida State,
or I would have probably went to Florida State. Penn
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State recruited me like crazy. And it's the same exact thing.
I'm looking at Coach Paterno, and heck, I could see
his glasses or his you know, his uh, you know,
his outline, his silhouette, and I know that that's Joe Paterno,
and I know that that's Penn State. I think there's
something to be said about that when you can place
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that type of trust into the situation that you believe
you're in and what you're going into. And so for
that very reason, you gotta look at guys that do
things in a manner of which there is told what
you're saying, Brady, it's just disregard. And and when you
find yourself, who's someone who is supposed to be so
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accountable to who you are in so many different ways,
not just exs and oose when they're supposed to be
accountable to you for more than that, right you you
are entrusting your child to these people for the time
that you're there. That's how that stated. And trust your
children with us, right, That's unlike the pros. This is
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like the first time, unless your kid goes to a
prep school, this is the first time you're actually allowing
your child to be on their own, and you have
to entrust them to people that that you trust are
going to guide them and keep them safe and grow them.
So there's a there is an expectation that comes with that.
So I don't think that it should be diminished or
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minimized when somebody just leaves, when they just up and go.
There is a proper way to go about doing it. Yeah.
And and and by the way, like I used Lebron and
how he left with the decision or that the first time,
think about the second time after and Chris granted they
had won a championship, he came back, got that done
for Cleveland. But he also ended up leaving a different way.
You know, it wasn't that sort of reaction and you
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and you could say, well, it's because they won a championship. No,
it's because of how he left. He learned from that.
He didn't want to make it a big ordeal about
it the next time around, whether it's for charity or not.
He learned that lesson from it. And obviously it was
the same thing with Miami and how he left Miami
to come back after winning championships there to come to Cleveland.
He had learned his lesson from all of that of
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how to maneuver, how to do all of that. So
how you leave, how it ends matters. And so to
sit there and diminish that and say, no, it's just
about the fact that it happened. No, you can do
it the right way. If you would have got a relationship,
you want to leave your job, you want to quit whateveryone,
you can do it the right way, all right, You
don't have to see what what was it? Get a
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cameo that the one dime of the Island by Boster
gonna quit? Uh, that's not gonna help you with your
former employer or a future employer. But it does matter
how it ends. It does matter how you decide to
leave the effing Island Boys. Man, that is one of
the you would Brandon Roberto's love for the Island Boys
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is one of the most bizarre things that I just
think it is quite possibly the most ballsy move to
basically go deuce is to your bat Yeah, with those
claw machine haircuts. That's yeah, that's a good look. It's
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let's find out the hotline is buzzing. So we go
to the hotline hotline. Do we have Albert brear drum
roll Lee's Albert career? Are you there? Yeah? I did,
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I did. I could come off with some let stay
back to you guys, but you guys give me whatever
you want. Okay, listen, simple ball busting one last time
before the new year. So you know it's I gotta
get out of the way. Um, Albert, I wanted to
ask you this before we jump into you know, possibly
your thoughts on the Michigan Georgia game. But what is
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with the all and and Sean Payton and Matt Rule
are going to face off this weekend New Orleans and
Carolina as far as those potential vacancies because there's been
some stuff about you know, Sean Payton, maybe somebody calls
to see whether or not they want to move on,
and then we hear the Matt Rule fire, Matt Rule
chance and Panther fans have kind of turned on him.
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Where did those guys stand heading into the off season
with those two teams? Yeah, I think Matt's gonna get
another year. Um, you know, I think you look at
the contracts that they did for him, and it was
unprecedented for a first time NFL coach to get a
seven year deal um. And you know, I think that
there was, you know, feel that there was going to
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be some level of adjustment um when it came to
Matt ull come to the NFL. And now he had
some experience in the league, but he only coached one
year and that was an assistant offensive line coach with
the Giant, And so, you know, I think if you
look at where they are, they actually have i mean
more or less fixed defense, and the defense looks like
it's going to be in a really good shape going forward.
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Offensive skill positions look like they're in good shape. And
you know, that really leaves two areas, which offensive line
and of course quarterback. And you know, I think, you know,
like if you look at the last two years, there's
just a case study in how half measures at quarterback
can kind of blow up on your face, you know,
and how like when you go and get like the
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Veterans stop gap, sometimes that can undermine the whole thing.
You know, they tried it with Teddy Bridgewater, They tried
a reclamation project with Sam Donald. They try bringing Cam
Newton back. Uh, they've relied some on you know, his
old quarterback from Temple and p J. Walker, And so
you know, I think the mandate for uh for for
Matt Roles gonna be twofold this offseason. It's gonna be
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go get a quarterback and make the playoffs. And it's
gonna be interesting to watch because usually teams that are
under the gun to go and get a quarterback um
might be apt to overpay. So you know, Watson Wilson
Rogers like, if those guys are available, what are they
wanting to get up to get one of those guys?
Do those guys want to go to Carolina? You know?
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And then if it's not one of those guys, where
do they look? You know, because the college ranks doesn't
look like there's a great one coming out, So you know,
do you need to you know, go and roll the
text again on the kyl Jimmy Garoppolo or Baker Mayfield. Um,
it's gonna be an interesting off season there. And then
you know, I think with the Saints it's just up
to Sean you know, and what he wants to do.
And of course you know he'd be welcome back in
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New Orleans, and um, you know, I think a piece
of this guy's is you know, other teams are gonna
look at it and say, as Sean Payton reached his
natural conclusions in New Orleans, he's been there sixteen years. Um,
they don't have a quarterback right now, um long term,
even Jamis Winston isn't signed for next year. They've got
some calf issues. It's still a really good roster and
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they're not far off from being really good. But um,
you know, I think that it's fair like to ask
that question if you're another team, if you want to
make a run or them, and you know, then the
question becomes what's gonna take to get him out of there? Um?
And and I think if Sean wanted to leave because
of everything he's done to that organization, you know, I
think the Saints at this point might listen. So, um,
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that's an interesting one. And again, like I think I
said this guys before, I think more teams are gonna
be asking those questions this offseason, Ones that were looking
for coaches, like as Mike Tomlin reached his natural conclusion
in Pittsburgh, has you know, I think if you're one
of these teams that's looking for a coach. I can't
hurt to ask, right, not to say that any like
any of those guys want to leave their places. But
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you know, I think there are a few coaches out
there where you can look at them and say, you know,
based on the quarterback situation, based on over where the
roster is, um, it might be you know, just a
good time to go and get one of those, you know,
really really established, accomplished coaches out of those place. Albert,
I want to ask you just about Matt rule and
his ultimate I guess his control in Carolina is the
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him or fitterer as far as who is deciding you know,
some of those decisions with bringing in Teddy Bridgewater or
Sam Donald for that matter, and draft selection as well,
because I do have a kind of follow up to that,
who's in control? Yeah, I say Matt has a trigger,
um when it comes down to it, and look like
I think Scott's a really good personnel guy, um. And
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one of the reasons he was attractive to them is
because he worked with somebody who had like a pretty
similar background in Seattle and Pete Carroll Carol had control,
you know, the fifty three in Seattle. And you know,
so Scott Fitter got to see John Schneider and Pete
Carroll worked together harmoniously and build a champion um as
care the transition coming back to the NFL, and so
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there were some similarities there, but yeah, i'd say real.
So the question then becomes, if he does have control,
what would prevent him from basically saying, look, we need
to go get one of these quarterbacks. I'm gonna give
up our next three years of first round picks just
to be and whatever it takes to be able to
get at de Shaun Watson, Russell Wilson, whoever it's going
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to be people to make that happen. And so you know,
given that if he's only got a year left, he's
got to do it, and that's one of his needs. Yeah, Okay,
that may work and maybe it doesn't and maybe the
whole thing blows up. I mean, is that kind of
a risk. Yeah. And you know what's funny about that, Brady,
is that, Uh, normally in that situation, the guy who
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would be the governor on that would be the owner, right,
like if you have a lot of power in the situation.
But Keeper is just as crazy for quarterback as anybody,
you know what I mean, Like I mean, Temper has
been the one who, like last year, was pushing like,
let's see if we can get watching. And this was
before the legal situation, but you know, when the Texas
were saying no and hanging up on everybody calling, Like
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I mean, Temper was the one in that building that
was pushing the envelope, can we offer more? What can
we do creatively? Can we get him out of there?
And so, like I I think normally in a situation
like this, the guy who would be kind of I
think just being the caretaker of like the long term
vision for the franchise and being the one that would
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make sure that somebody looking for a quick fix wouldn't
do something that was overly risk. He would be the owner.
But in this case, you know, I think the owner
has shown in over the last couple of years since
they fired Ron Rivera that and and then moved on
from Cam Newton that he has hell bent on finding
a quarterback. So I think, you know, a rule Um
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wanted to go out there and over extend himself for
you know, Watson or Wilson or Rogers. I actually think
he might find some support from the owner's thoughts on it.
Mm hmm, I'm gonna move over to this. This this
list the finalists for the NFL Hall of Fame. Maybe
it is an amazing group of of guys. I mean, uh,
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you know, you can look at some of of these
lists and sometimes you may not know who they are.
I'm not certain that this is not one of the
most star bolstered uh finalists lists that that I've seen.
But one one name that jumps out at me. And
I want to get your opinion on this, and I'm
sure you'll know once I said, you know, the idea
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and the meaning of what Sam Mills has meant to
so many people on such a large level. What's the
feeling of if if a guy like Sam gets into
the Hall of Fame? That has to be a discussion point.
I would assume, um in the circles of people who
are going to vote. Yeah, And I love the idea
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of Sam Mills because he's one of the rare guys
who's got such a last thing legacy with multiple franchises,
you know, and you know, I think part of the
Hall of Fame. I mean obviously like the pre reck
like like what gets you in the door, like the
cover charges like what, um, what a great player you are,
right Like, so like that's everybody who gets into a
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great player. Um. But I think the thing that can
kind of one of the things that can be a
separator between guys who might get into guys who don't
is the impact that you have on people, the impact
you have on football. And like I can remember like
being a kid and you know what a what a
great player he was, and I was defensives you know,
had guys like Ricky Jackson on them, and how he
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was sort of the focal point of one of the
great defenses of that era, right like of the Ladies
early nineties. And then you turn around you see what
he means in Carolina, right like where the key pounding
thing is him, you know, and the legacy that he
left behind for an expansion franchise where he was, you know,
a foundation piece for a team that was just getting
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off the ground. Um. You know. And so like I'm
with you, LaVar, I think, you know, Sam Mills is
one of those guys, a great player in his own right,
but there's like an impact that goes beyond just what
a great player he was in the sort of leader.
He wasn't those samets defenses and then what he meant
for a franchise that was just getting off the ground.
And I think there are a few guys like that,
you know, on this year's list. Like I think there
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are a couple of guys, Um, Richard Seymour is another
one who like didn't have the numbers. But I think
if you ask guys who played for those Patriots teams
in OH one and OHS, RENO four, so all of
them might tell you our best player was Richard Seymour,
not Tom Brady. And I know that sounds crazy, but
at the time Brady was a young player and Seymour
was such a i mean just such a force for
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that team, you know, and like made Teddy Bruski and
Mike Vrabel and um, you know later on Vince will
Fork and Tye Warren, the guys have played around. He
made all those guys better players, you know. And so
I think there's you know, some opportunity for the Hall
of Fame community to get some guys in this year
where like your Mills, like your Seymours, where you know,
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like the guys were great players in their own right.
There's no denying it, but I think beyond that, you
know those guys who had real impact on things that
happened in the game. Albert Brier last one before we
let you go, senior NFL reporter for the m MQB,
joining us here. Also an avid college football fan, a
Ohio State alum. Um, when you're watching Michigan and Georgia
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playing later on, are you going to be all big
ten all the time? Or you're going to say, screw Michigan.
They've been celebrating way too much over one win over
my alma mater, and you're gonna be rooting for Georgia
to leta hammer. I'm not gonna lie guys, since um,
it's gonna be kind of a tough watch, I think, Uh,
I mean, I don't know, like like like you guys
(28:56):
watch a LaVar Brady. You guys went to schools to
play against them. They got a little bit, they've got
a little CHESTI the last month to have a day
like they decocking. They've they've been decocking around. Yeah, there's
been a lot of there's been a lot of bravado
out of there. And I wanted rout because the big
tends five and oh now you know what I mean,
like a bowl game, so I want to root for him,
but yeah, I I guess publicly, I'm gonna have to
(29:20):
understain from this one. We're undefeated in bowl games right now.
I don't know, I know, I mean, LaVar, who are
you rooting fortnite Michigan easily? And I hate Michigan, you know,
I hate you like I hate Ohio State and I
hate Michigan. But again, I said this earlier in the show.
(29:40):
All all all bets are off. It's it's temporary, temporary,
we're together, temporary. Uh what a treaties? Um? When it's
the ten versus someone else? I want the ten to
be great, bratty because you cover this like you can't
like like, I know you can't have that strong take
on it. But what do you notre dame? People want
to happen tonight? Um, I don't know, because I don't
(30:05):
think they like either. They can't tie? Can they both
get COVID and then the other semi the national Championship?
I mean, maybe they'd say we want Cincinnati. At least
they could say they lost in the National cham But
I don't know. I mean, I'll say this much. I
am really curious because what we see like in bull
(30:26):
season so far, we haven't had the best of the
best teams in each conference. And what you see in
every conference is like the top two teams are like,
by far and away the best. And that's where I'm
really curious to see how Michigan stacks of versus Georgia
because it what is it? Seven and a half points? Still?
Is that the spread? Still? That's kind of a lot?
(30:47):
And the other game, obviously we knew it would be
a lot because it's a group of five team taking
on Bama number one team, but seven and a half
is kind of a lot. So I kind of sit
there and Sarah, I think Michigan could keep it within
the number. Like if I was a betting man, I'd
say the unders the best play. But I don't know, man.
I think Michigan hasn't seen a defense. They haven't seen
a defense like this maybe since Wisconsin. And I know
(31:10):
people would laugh at that, but Wisconsin was pretty salty
and it came down to just a couple of plays.
Brady Brady, So so you you know that's better than
I do. Is it? Is it not true that Michigan
and Georgia are the same team, only Georgia has better players.
I wouldn't go that far because I don't know that.
But they're really built similarly, aren't they. Yeah, they are
(31:32):
built similarly. I think, well, I mean one of the
underlying things well this year, but they got they have
so much more speed, more speed, they got speed on
the perimeter. I think the biggest difference for me is
I don't know that George is as good as Michigan
is on the edge on defense, and I think George
is better at the linebacker spot. There's there's no one
(31:54):
on the field like na Kobe Dean. There's just there's
there's no one like him out there. So that's that's
that's one thing. I think the biggest issue is Jaxon
Hill might not play. I don't even know if he
made the trip to South Florida. There's a lot of
video from that well. And here's the deal is if
he if he's not playing in the game and he
can't match up with Brock Bowers, who's one of the
(32:16):
best times in the country, it's a problem. So it's
gonna be curious to see how this all plays out. Absolutely,
and you guys, you guys can know this too. I
got a tweet ready for about very good. That's how
that's how it works. By the way, subtle jab to,
they're the same team, except they just have better players.
Like telling someone I know, but I think it's I
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don't even mean there's an insult though, Jonas. That's the
thing is that they're built there. I mean Georgia's defense
has more draftable players on defense. I think. I mean
if we look at like I had somebody, so I
had somebody says to me like, um, you know an
established a value latter said, Georgia's defense may not have
a top ten pick on it, right. The front seven
may not have a top ten pick on it. But
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it's possible that every player in the in the in
the front seven is drafted in the first three rounds,
which is what do you think about? Right, Like they
may not have like the Chase Youngs. They don't have
Aidan Hutchinson or did you don't have huinon but they
but they don't have David Hutchinson, But every single player
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in their front seven is gonna be a top one,
which is nuts. That's awesome. Get him on Twitter at
Albert Brier Albert, A Happy New Year to you and
yours man. We always appreciate it. Looking forward to doing
this morn next year as well. Thanks. All right, thanks guys,
I'll try to He's a he's a good dude. One
of our favorites, Albert Brier joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio. All right, So coming up next year on
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you go down in? Pop blow goes to Venice Beach finished?
Please finish your go down You gonna stop stricken man, Roberto.
Half the time, I feel like you're You're saying stuff
(35:11):
like actually makes the air, and I'm like that, No,
that wasn't on the air. Thank God, help the difference.
You gonna help me out every fin I mean, I said,
do you go down there? He said what he said?
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the over on ninety one and a half. So LaVar
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(36:42):
Thank you. Why did I not think Adams would dump?
Decision that was we're drunk, you guys. Look ahead to
the college football playoff the Cotton Bowl Cincinnati versus Alabama.
Total touchdowns for Bryce Young four and a half. What's
four and a half. Is that an actual line? That is? Yeah,
(37:04):
that is combined taking over. I god, that's a lot defender.
I know they got some great defenders and on Cincinnati,
but I'm going with over. Dude. I love b why
but I mean, I'm gonna take the under. I think
it gets four. Now you're making that. We think this.
(37:26):
They got good quarterbacks, that Kobe Bryant kids, good Sauce Gardner.
I think it's dead on. I think four and a
half like the perfect line. Take the under. I'm gonna
take the under, but I'll forget about it. On to
the Orange Bowl, you guys. Number of sacks for Aidan
Hutchinson one and a half over, Oh no, I'll take
I'm taking under over. Yeah, them big boys for George
(37:47):
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It takes you a while when you're fasket dude, you
can do it now, but I just think that, Yeah,
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you guys. Onto the NFL Chiefs at Bengals, total passing
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We're going to shoot out. Give me an over and
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It's gonna be a showcase game. They're gonna try and
give him a couple of easy ones. Kry deliver the
question who Friarmouth? Is it tied end back? I do
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You do it. Oh man, it's just awkward. It isn't
(01:09):
really awkward. We will yeah good. We are just trying
to catch my breath here, Uh, just trying to uh,
you know, walked in. I walked into the production studio
and Roberto wasn't lying what you call would you call
Lee Roberto? He's a he's a penal though, whatever that is,
(01:32):
don't say it wrong. But I think that's good. That's
not a curse word. It's not a curse word. It
was a curse word. I was thinking it just sounded
like something else that the way you said it. Oh yeah, yeah,
I just want to make it awkward for you, that's all. It's. Uh, Lee,
you got problems, dude, Like I don't know. Yeah, I
knew that was a bad one right away. To apologize.
I uh yeah, I had to apologize. But the problem
(01:56):
is what you met last night? Do I name them? Um,
it was a little bit of everything. So you don't
have to name the chain. But you know, if you
want to name the you know what you ate direction. Yeah, yeah,
I was with you on that bradio. You don't want
to name it. Weird way of framing that Chinese. I
(02:18):
was hoping it was food. At least he had some Chinese. Um,
some hot dogs definitely next in there, so some Chinese,
some hot dogs. So so Chinese food can include hot dogs.
That's that's something different. Yeah, it's just a mixed bag,
you know it was all over the place yesterday. Did
you get some chicken wings? You know, throw some wings
(02:40):
in there? There was some chicken actually this morning. Yeah,
some leftover chicken this morning. But how about some chili? No,
no chili yesterday. Let me tell you something. With that
mixture of thinks he's gonna I'm trying to now. I
need to be healthy now. I need to start making
some healthy real quick. Do people eat leftover wings? Because
(03:06):
I feel like there's a big, big difference when you
get wings hot like fresh, and then if you eat
them like cold. I've done that before. I've been like, yeah,
I'm not gonna do this again. I'm going to fresh
on wings tonight. I think certain wings you can in
bone in you can eat cold, but boneless just sit
different when they're cold because they get dry. They get
(03:29):
really really dry. So when you have bone in, it
just but even with bone in, it depends like like
if I if I were to compare chains, it's like
if you went to hair and and just say the kernel,
there's doesn't really taste that good cold, But if you
(03:49):
go over here and it's the sailor man's it's it's
actually pretty dog on good out of the refrigerator cold. Interesting,
there you go, some some blace. I don't want to
be offensive to anybody, so I thought I put it
in co word form. You know, the sailor man. You
know I'm who sailor man. Listen, laar, I listen to
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to plug. Hey, you know, so it is tomorrow about
the way. It is, Happy new year to everyone. It's
a happy new year. Will be getting you off and
running tomorrow. Are you going tomorrow? You better believe it.
Are you gonna be on tomorrow? Better believe it? Man.
I get everybody wake their ass up from a hangover,
and I get going early on a Saturday. They're going
(04:54):
to be waking up while you're talking, and then by
the time you're done and we come on, then they'll
be ready to list. Say that's fine, I'm happy to
be on the undercard. No problem here. Um, here's the
the situation that went down. Um, Colin Cowherd, Fox Sports
radio brethren here. You can hear him nine to noon
Pacific time, noon to three Eastern time here on many
(05:17):
of these Fox Sports radio affiliates. Uh. He sent out
a tweet that said the following quote. Oklahoma fans don't
quite get it. You do realize if it pisces you
off a coach left, that's because he was good. Gator
fans celebrated ron Zook leaving. Wolverine fans celebrated similarly with
Brady Hoke and stop with the it's how he left
(05:37):
bs great athletes, head coaches always leave on their terms.
End tweet, to which Brady Quinn replied, yeah, we'll get
into that tomorrow on the show. So the four here's
Brady Quinn and I'm assuming you took issue with the
tweet by calling coward, well, I take issue with this
for a number of reasons. One because it's really solely
(05:58):
based around his opinion. It's just his opinion, and he's
talking down to Oklahoma fans like they can't have their
opinion or their side and all of this. And and
let me just take you to a couple of examples.
Lebron James, same class in high school as Lebron James.
We actually tried to get him to come down to
the U. S. Army All American Game as dumb as
(06:20):
that sounds right to play in it in San Antonio,
Texas when I was a senior in high school because
we wanted to try to come down to be our
wide receiver. Right he was that good at that athlete
didn't even play a senior year high school football. Only
last year he played was junior year, and we were
still trying to recruit him to come down and play
because he was that good at football too. And obviously
(06:40):
he decided not to come. I think we even brought
on like one of his high school teammates just to
see if just to see if he would he would
still come down to ly show up in the game.
So I've I had known Lebron a little bit from that,
but obviously when I got drafted to Cleveland, had the
chance to meet him, be around that crew a little
bit for the few years I was there, and obviously
watched them throughout his entire career. Have always been a
(07:02):
fan of him. When he decided to leave Cleveland the
first time, to me, it was never something that I
was like emotionally attached to or didn't understand the reasons
as to why he was leaving. When he left, it
was like pouring gasoline on the fire because of how
he did it, because of how he left, Like do
(07:25):
you remember the decision? Do you guys remember like what
he was actually doing at the decision that day? He's
raising money for charity exactly, But is that what anyone
remembers from that day? They remember him going on national
television in Akron, Ohio, which is close proximity to Cleveland,
(07:45):
and telling everyone and even the way he said it,
It wasn't that he said he was gonna go to
the Miami Heat and try to win a championships or
go with the legendary pat Riley and Dwyane Wade and
these other guys. He said, I'm taking my talents to
South Beach like that that I mean, that could be
(08:05):
You can take that out of context wherever you want
and whatever industry you want, But it was the way
he said it. It was the way he did it.
That was but that was what infuriated fans. That's what
made it visceral. That's what made them upset about how
he left. It wasn't that he left. There was a
(08:28):
lot of people who understood that Dan Gilbert is not
a good owner, or they felt like he wasn't a
good owner at that time and didn't do enough to
help surround Lebron to give him what he needed to
win a championship. You know, I went to that game
four that when they got swept in the finals and
and took my dad and watched that firsthand, and you
all collectively and sitting around people talking about it, you're like,
(08:48):
he needs help, he needs more. This isn't enough to
help him win a championship. And a lot of people
were understanding of that, especially Cleveland Cavaliers fans. And now
the second time that might be a little bit different story.
But the reality is it wasn't that he left. It
was how he left. Because that's all we remember is
how he left and how he chose to even though
(09:10):
he was trying to do it for a great cause.
It was the decision. And that's just one example, right
Tom Brady, the Tom Brady live in New England Patriots.
I mean, there wasn't like there was a ton of
people who were sitting there and burning jerseys and so forth,
and why because of how he left. He did it
in a classy manner. And granted he had a ton
of success there, so what are you gonna say at
(09:31):
that point in time. But also there was a way
in which he went about doing it that it didn't
ruffle the feathers of fans people. People realize at that
point in time, hey, this this thing's come to its end.
But they both did it in classy ways that allowed
him to separate and move on. And so there wasn't
this like outrage about all of it. And so look,
(09:51):
if if Lincoln Riley or any other coach you would
have put into that during the college football coaching cycle,
if they wanted to leave, is it gonna staying? Sure?
But the reality is like to sit there and talk
down to fan bases and act like you're some omnipotent
being when you're really just giving your opinion. Because the
(10:12):
reality is if they had handled a little bit different
and not done it over at twenty four hour period
and not felt like, you know, they needed to do
a certain way, it would feel different, no different than
the difference between Lebron and Tom and how both those
guys ended up leaving to go other places. It's how
they left, That's what I mean. It's so different than
(10:32):
a relationship when you get a bad breakup. I mean,
at some point relationships end. When you have a bad breakup,
you're much less than tuned to ever talk to that
person ever. Again, it's probably more scarring. It's probably something
you remember when it's more amicable. You end up kind
of walking away, going off. I see them again at
say a lower maybe we catch up down the road
or something like that. Maybe if we work in the
same you know, business or industry, we you know, maybe
(10:55):
you know, help kind of share some business here and
there or something like that. But to me, it's always
how it ends. It's always how you left, because when
you don't do it the right way, that's when you
get that sort of emotion from people. And so I
couldn't disagree anymore about all of it. I mean, you can,
I can. I can give you any example you want
of when I was cut and how a team would
(11:15):
handle it versus how a team you know didn't handle it.
I mean there's there's there's different examples of it. But
I just think that's an opinion that is solely to him. So,
you know, stop speaking town to a fan base that
is sitting there right now feeling good about where they're
at with Brenton Venables, the future of the job that
Bob Stoops did. It just it doesn't make any sense
(11:35):
to me taking such a hard stance on it, you know.
How further your point you use an example of of
an athlete to whom much has given much is required.
We're talking about a coach, and when and when you
talk about what the level of of accountability is for
the leader of the flock, not a pair, but the leader.
(11:59):
When you know things in a certain manner, it just
it doesn't it doesn't feel good. It will be like
a pastor changing, you know, changing churches. Like you know,
I got a bigger church, I got a bigger, better church.
I'm gonna go over here, uh within twenty four hours,
(12:19):
you know, Like if you want to hear my my sermon,
come here transfer to this church the Holy Spirit. Guys,
there you go. You know, I just think that there's
something to be said about that, because, listen, there are
so many there are so many things that that young
people are are thinking about when they go to a
school to play. There are a lot of things that
(12:41):
they don't know. There are a lot of things that
the parents are thinking about, and there are a lot
of things that the parents don't know. And sometimes you
don't get the opportunity to really sit back and assess
things at its face value because there's so many things
that you have to entertain for yourself. One of the
things that I would immediately think if I went to
USC is will he do it to us? And do
(13:03):
I want to go play out of school? Where can
I can I trust that for at least three years
if I'm good enough to to get out of here
in three years, But if I'm gonna be here for
four or five years, are these people gonna be here?
That made a big That was big for me in
the schools I looked at when I was coming out
(13:24):
of school, You gotta think I looked at Florida State,
I looked at Miami, Michigan and Penn State, right and Miami.
They they weren't they weren't stable, and and they actually
were ended up going going on probation. Florida State they
had Bobby Bouton. I'm gonna go there, you know why,
(13:44):
because I believe in who Bobby Bouton says he is
and and and I believe in what that represented to
me and what I wanted to try to accomplish and
get done in college. I didn't get recruited. Is is
hard as I would have liked to from Florida State,
or I would have probably went to Florida State. Penn
(14:05):
State recruited me like crazy. And it's the same exact thing.
I'm looking at Coach Paterno, and heck, I could see
his glasses or his you know, his uh, you know,
his outline, his silhouette, and I know that that's Joe Paterno,
and I know that that's Penn State. I think there's
something to be said about that when you can place
(14:25):
that type of trust into the situation that you believe
you're in and what you're going into. And so for
that very reason, you gotta look at guys that do
things in a manner of which there is told what
you're saying, Brady, it's just disregard. And and when you
find yourself, who's someone who is supposed to be so
(14:46):
accountable to who you are in so many different ways,
not just exs and oose when they're supposed to be
accountable to you for more than that, right you you
are entrusting your child to these people for the time
that you're there. That's how that stated. And trust your
children with us, right, That's unlike the pros. This is
(15:09):
like the first time, unless your kid goes to a
prep school, this is the first time you're actually allowing
your child to be on their own, and you have
to entrust them to people that that you trust are
going to guide them and keep them safe and grow them.
So there's a there is an expectation that comes with that.
So I don't think that it should be diminished or
(15:30):
minimized when somebody just leaves, when they just up and go.
There is a proper way to go about doing it. Yeah.
And and and by the way, like I used Lebron and
how he left with the decision or that the first time,
think about the second time after and Chris granted they
had won a championship, he came back, got that done
for Cleveland. But he also ended up leaving a different way.
You know, it wasn't that sort of reaction and you
(15:52):
and you could say, well, it's because they won a championship. No,
it's because of how he left. He learned from that.
He didn't want to make it a big ordeal about
it the next time around, whether it's for charity or not.
He learned that lesson from it. And obviously it was
the same thing with Miami and how he left Miami
to come back after winning championships there to come to Cleveland.
He had learned his lesson from all of that of
(16:14):
how to maneuver, how to do all of that. So
how you leave, how it ends matters. And so to
sit there and diminish that and say, no, it's just
about the fact that it happened. No, you can do
it the right way. If you would have got a relationship,
you want to leave your job, you want to quit whateveryone,
you can do it the right way, all right, You
don't have to see what what was it? Get a
(16:36):
cameo that the one dime of the Island by Boster
gonna quit? Uh, that's not gonna help you with your
former employer or a future employer. But it does matter
how it ends. It does matter how you decide to
leave the effing Island Boys. Man, that is one of
the you would Brandon Roberto's love for the Island Boys
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is one of the most bizarre things that I just
think it is quite possibly the most ballsy move to
basically go deuce is to your bat Yeah, with those
claw machine haircuts. That's yeah, that's a good look. It's
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let's find out the hotline is buzzing. So we go
to the hotline hotline. Do we have Albert brear drum
roll Lee's Albert career? Are you there? Yeah? I did,
(18:13):
I did. I could come off with some let stay
back to you guys, but you guys give me whatever
you want. Okay, listen, simple ball busting one last time
before the new year. So you know it's I gotta
get out of the way. Um, Albert, I wanted to
ask you this before we jump into you know, possibly
your thoughts on the Michigan Georgia game. But what is
(18:35):
with the all and and Sean Payton and Matt Rule
are going to face off this weekend New Orleans and
Carolina as far as those potential vacancies because there's been
some stuff about you know, Sean Payton, maybe somebody calls
to see whether or not they want to move on,
and then we hear the Matt Rule fire, Matt Rule
chance and Panther fans have kind of turned on him.
(18:58):
Where did those guys stand heading into the off season
with those two teams? Yeah, I think Matt's gonna get
another year. Um, you know, I think you look at
the contracts that they did for him, and it was
unprecedented for a first time NFL coach to get a
seven year deal um. And you know, I think that
there was, you know, feel that there was going to
(19:18):
be some level of adjustment um when it came to
Matt ull come to the NFL. And now he had
some experience in the league, but he only coached one
year and that was an assistant offensive line coach with
the Giant, And so, you know, I think if you
look at where they are, they actually have i mean
more or less fixed defense, and the defense looks like
it's going to be in a really good shape going forward.
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Offensive skill positions look like they're in good shape. And
you know, that really leaves two areas, which offensive line
and of course quarterback. And you know, I think, you know,
like if you look at the last two years, there's
just a case study in how half measures at quarterback
can kind of blow up on your face, you know,
and how like when you go and get like the
(19:58):
Veterans stop gap, sometimes that can undermine the whole thing.
You know, they tried it with Teddy Bridgewater, They tried
a reclamation project with Sam Donald. They try bringing Cam
Newton back. Uh, they've relied some on you know, his
old quarterback from Temple and p J. Walker, And so
you know, I think the mandate for uh for for
Matt Roles gonna be twofold this offseason. It's gonna be
(20:20):
go get a quarterback and make the playoffs. And it's
gonna be interesting to watch because usually teams that are
under the gun to go and get a quarterback um
might be apt to overpay. So you know, Watson Wilson
Rogers like, if those guys are available, what are they
wanting to get up to get one of those guys?
Do those guys want to go to Carolina? You know?
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And then if it's not one of those guys, where
do they look? You know, because the college ranks doesn't
look like there's a great one coming out, So you know,
do you need to you know, go and roll the
text again on the kyl Jimmy Garoppolo or Baker Mayfield. Um,
it's gonna be an interesting off season there. And then
you know, I think with the Saints it's just up
to Sean you know, and what he wants to do.
And of course you know he'd be welcome back in
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New Orleans, and um, you know, I think a piece
of this guy's is you know, other teams are gonna
look at it and say, as Sean Payton reached his
natural conclusions in New Orleans, he's been there sixteen years. Um,
they don't have a quarterback right now, um long term,
even Jamis Winston isn't signed for next year. They've got
some calf issues. It's still a really good roster and
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they're not far off from being really good. But um,
you know, I think that it's fair like to ask
that question if you're another team, if you want to
make a run or them, and you know, then the
question becomes what's gonna take to get him out of there? Um?
And and I think if Sean wanted to leave because
of everything he's done to that organization, you know, I
think the Saints at this point might listen. So, um,
(21:45):
that's an interesting one. And again, like I think I
said this guys before, I think more teams are gonna
be asking those questions this offseason, Ones that were looking
for coaches, like as Mike Tomlin reached his natural conclusion
in Pittsburgh, has you know, I think if you're one
of these teams that's looking for a coach. I can't
hurt to ask, right, not to say that any like
any of those guys want to leave their places. But
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you know, I think there are a few coaches out
there where you can look at them and say, you know,
based on the quarterback situation, based on over where the
roster is, um, it might be you know, just a
good time to go and get one of those, you know,
really really established, accomplished coaches out of those place. Albert,
I want to ask you just about Matt rule and
his ultimate I guess his control in Carolina is the
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him or fitterer as far as who is deciding you know,
some of those decisions with bringing in Teddy Bridgewater or
Sam Donald for that matter, and draft selection as well,
because I do have a kind of follow up to that,
who's in control? Yeah, I say Matt has a trigger,
um when it comes down to it, and look like
I think Scott's a really good personnel guy, um. And
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one of the reasons he was attractive to them is
because he worked with somebody who had like a pretty
similar background in Seattle and Pete Carroll Carol had control,
you know, the fifty three in Seattle. And you know,
so Scott Fitter got to see John Schneider and Pete
Carroll worked together harmoniously and build a champion um as
care the transition coming back to the NFL, and so
(23:12):
there were some similarities there, but yeah, i'd say real.
So the question then becomes, if he does have control,
what would prevent him from basically saying, look, we need
to go get one of these quarterbacks. I'm gonna give
up our next three years of first round picks just
to be and whatever it takes to be able to
get at de Shaun Watson, Russell Wilson, whoever it's going
(23:32):
to be people to make that happen. And so you know,
given that if he's only got a year left, he's
got to do it, and that's one of his needs. Yeah, Okay,
that may work and maybe it doesn't and maybe the
whole thing blows up. I mean, is that kind of
a risk. Yeah. And you know what's funny about that, Brady,
is that, Uh, normally in that situation, the guy who
(23:52):
would be the governor on that would be the owner, right,
like if you have a lot of power in the situation.
But Keeper is just as crazy for quarterback as anybody,
you know what I mean, Like I mean, Temper has
been the one who, like last year, was pushing like,
let's see if we can get watching. And this was
before the legal situation, but you know, when the Texas
were saying no and hanging up on everybody calling, Like
(24:14):
I mean, Temper was the one in that building that
was pushing the envelope, can we offer more? What can
we do creatively? Can we get him out of there?
And so, like I I think normally in a situation
like this, the guy who would be kind of I
think just being the caretaker of like the long term
vision for the franchise and being the one that would
(24:35):
make sure that somebody looking for a quick fix wouldn't
do something that was overly risk. He would be the owner.
But in this case, you know, I think the owner
has shown in over the last couple of years since
they fired Ron Rivera that and and then moved on
from Cam Newton that he has hell bent on finding
a quarterback. So I think, you know, a rule Um
(24:57):
wanted to go out there and over extend himself for
you know, Watson or Wilson or Rogers. I actually think
he might find some support from the owner's thoughts on it.
Mm hmm, I'm gonna move over to this. This this
list the finalists for the NFL Hall of Fame. Maybe
it is an amazing group of of guys. I mean, uh,
(25:19):
you know, you can look at some of of these
lists and sometimes you may not know who they are.
I'm not certain that this is not one of the
most star bolstered uh finalists lists that that I've seen.
But one one name that jumps out at me. And
I want to get your opinion on this, and I'm
sure you'll know once I said, you know, the idea
(25:40):
and the meaning of what Sam Mills has meant to
so many people on such a large level. What's the
feeling of if if a guy like Sam gets into
the Hall of Fame? That has to be a discussion point.
I would assume, um in the circles of people who
are going to vote. Yeah, And I love the idea
(26:03):
of Sam Mills because he's one of the rare guys
who's got such a last thing legacy with multiple franchises,
you know, and you know, I think part of the
Hall of Fame. I mean obviously like the pre reck
like like what gets you in the door, like the
cover charges like what, um, what a great player you are,
right Like, so like that's everybody who gets into a
(26:23):
great player. Um. But I think the thing that can
kind of one of the things that can be a
separator between guys who might get into guys who don't
is the impact that you have on people, the impact
you have on football. And like I can remember like
being a kid and you know what a what a
great player he was, and I was defensives you know,
had guys like Ricky Jackson on them, and how he
(26:46):
was sort of the focal point of one of the
great defenses of that era, right like of the Ladies
early nineties. And then you turn around you see what
he means in Carolina, right like where the key pounding
thing is him, you know, and the legacy that he
left behind for an expansion franchise where he was, you know,
a foundation piece for a team that was just getting
(27:08):
off the ground. Um. You know. And so like I'm
with you, LaVar, I think, you know, Sam Mills is
one of those guys, a great player in his own right,
but there's like an impact that goes beyond just what
a great player he was in the sort of leader.
He wasn't those samets defenses and then what he meant
for a franchise that was just getting off the ground.
And I think there are a few guys like that,
you know, on this year's list. Like I think there
(27:30):
are a couple of guys, Um, Richard Seymour is another
one who like didn't have the numbers. But I think
if you ask guys who played for those Patriots teams
in OH one and OHS, RENO four, so all of
them might tell you our best player was Richard Seymour,
not Tom Brady. And I know that sounds crazy, but
at the time Brady was a young player and Seymour
was such a i mean just such a force for
(27:53):
that team, you know, and like made Teddy Bruski and
Mike Vrabel and um, you know later on Vince will
Fork and Tye Warren, the guys have played around. He
made all those guys better players, you know. And so
I think there's you know, some opportunity for the Hall
of Fame community to get some guys in this year
where like your Mills, like your Seymours, where you know,
(28:14):
like the guys were great players in their own right.
There's no denying it, but I think beyond that, you
know those guys who had real impact on things that
happened in the game. Albert Brier last one before we
let you go, senior NFL reporter for the m MQB,
joining us here. Also an avid college football fan, a
Ohio State alum. Um, when you're watching Michigan and Georgia
(28:35):
playing later on, are you going to be all big
ten all the time? Or you're going to say, screw Michigan.
They've been celebrating way too much over one win over
my alma mater, and you're gonna be rooting for Georgia
to leta hammer. I'm not gonna lie guys, since um,
it's gonna be kind of a tough watch, I think, Uh,
I mean, I don't know, like like like you guys
(28:56):
watch a LaVar Brady. You guys went to schools to
play against them. They got a little bit, they've got
a little CHESTI the last month to have a day
like they decocking. They've they've been decocking around. Yeah, there's
been a lot of there's been a lot of bravado
out of there. And I wanted rout because the big
tends five and oh now you know what I mean,
like a bowl game, so I want to root for him,
but yeah, I I guess publicly, I'm gonna have to
(29:20):
understain from this one. We're undefeated in bowl games right now.
I don't know, I know, I mean, LaVar, who are
you rooting fortnite Michigan easily? And I hate Michigan, you know,
I hate you like I hate Ohio State and I
hate Michigan. But again, I said this earlier in the show.
(29:40):
All all all bets are off. It's it's temporary, temporary,
we're together, temporary. Uh what a treaties? Um? When it's
the ten versus someone else? I want the ten to
be great, bratty because you cover this like you can't
like like, I know you can't have that strong take
on it. But what do you notre dame? People want
to happen tonight? Um, I don't know, because I don't
(30:05):
think they like either. They can't tie? Can they both
get COVID and then the other semi the national Championship?
I mean, maybe they'd say we want Cincinnati. At least
they could say they lost in the National cham But
I don't know. I mean, I'll say this much. I
am really curious because what we see like in bull
(30:26):
season so far, we haven't had the best of the
best teams in each conference. And what you see in
every conference is like the top two teams are like,
by far and away the best. And that's where I'm
really curious to see how Michigan stacks of versus Georgia
because it what is it? Seven and a half points? Still?
Is that the spread? Still? That's kind of a lot?
(30:47):
And the other game, obviously we knew it would be
a lot because it's a group of five team taking
on Bama number one team, but seven and a half
is kind of a lot. So I kind of sit
there and Sarah, I think Michigan could keep it within
the number. Like if I was a betting man, I'd
say the unders the best play. But I don't know, man.
I think Michigan hasn't seen a defense. They haven't seen
a defense like this maybe since Wisconsin. And I know
(31:10):
people would laugh at that, but Wisconsin was pretty salty
and it came down to just a couple of plays.
Brady Brady, So so you you know that's better than
I do. Is it? Is it not true that Michigan
and Georgia are the same team, only Georgia has better players.
I wouldn't go that far because I don't know that.
But they're really built similarly, aren't they. Yeah, they are
(31:32):
built similarly. I think, well, I mean one of the
underlying things well this year, but they got they have
so much more speed, more speed, they got speed on
the perimeter. I think the biggest difference for me is
I don't know that George is as good as Michigan
is on the edge on defense, and I think George
is better at the linebacker spot. There's there's no one
(31:54):
on the field like na Kobe Dean. There's just there's
there's no one like him out there. So that's that's
that's one thing. I think the biggest issue is Jaxon
Hill might not play. I don't even know if he
made the trip to South Florida. There's a lot of
video from that well. And here's the deal is if
he if he's not playing in the game and he
can't match up with Brock Bowers, who's one of the
(32:16):
best times in the country, it's a problem. So it's
gonna be curious to see how this all plays out. Absolutely,
and you guys, you guys can know this too. I
got a tweet ready for about very good. That's how
that's how it works. By the way, subtle jab to,
they're the same team, except they just have better players.
Like telling someone I know, but I think it's I
(32:36):
don't even mean there's an insult though, Jonas. That's the
thing is that they're built there. I mean Georgia's defense
has more draftable players on defense. I think. I mean
if we look at like I had somebody, so I
had somebody says to me like, um, you know an
established a value latter said, Georgia's defense may not have
a top ten pick on it, right. The front seven
may not have a top ten pick on it. But
(32:58):
it's possible that every player in the in the in
the front seven is drafted in the first three rounds,
which is what do you think about? Right, Like they
may not have like the Chase Youngs. They don't have
Aidan Hutchinson or did you don't have huinon but they
but they don't have David Hutchinson, But every single player
(33:18):
in their front seven is gonna be a top one,
which is nuts. That's awesome. Get him on Twitter at
Albert Brier Albert, A Happy New Year to you and
yours man. We always appreciate it. Looking forward to doing
this morn next year as well. Thanks. All right, thanks guys,
I'll try to He's a he's a good dude. One
of our favorites, Albert Brier joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio. All right, So coming up next year on
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Please finish your go down You gonna stop stricken man, Roberto.
Half the time, I feel like you're You're saying stuff
(35:11):
like actually makes the air, and I'm like that, No,
that wasn't on the air. Thank God, help the difference.
You gonna help me out every fin I mean, I said,
do you go down there? He said what he said?
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It's over under. Can you only answer in your read voice? Yeah,
that's fine. Maybe you guys are real quick recap of
last week. LaVar was right that Ryan Tannehill would have
under one and a half passing touchdowns. Jonas and Brady,
(36:22):
you guys were right that Kyler Murray would have over
passing and rushing yards. You guys were real close with
Jonathan Taylor rushing yards. He hit the over at one
oh eight. Brady and LaVar were right on that, and
LaVar was alone in thinking that Davante Adams would hit
the over on ninety one and a half. So LaVar
extensive lead of course. Wow, well done, LaVar, Thank you guys,
(36:42):
Thank you. Why did I not think Adams would dump?
Decision that was we're drunk, you guys. Look ahead to
the college football playoff the Cotton Bowl Cincinnati versus Alabama.
Total touchdowns for Bryce Young four and a half. What's
four and a half. Is that an actual line? That is? Yeah,
(37:04):
that is combined taking over. I god, that's a lot defender.
I know they got some great defenders and on Cincinnati,
but I'm going with over. Dude. I love b why
but I mean, I'm gonna take the under. I think
it gets four. Now you're making that. We think this.
(37:26):
They got good quarterbacks, that Kobe Bryant kids, good Sauce Gardner.
I think it's dead on. I think four and a
half like the perfect line. Take the under. I'm gonna
take the under, but I'll forget about it. On to
the Orange Bowl, you guys. Number of sacks for Aidan
Hutchinson one and a half over, Oh no, I'll take
I'm taking under over. Yeah, them big boys for George
(37:47):
you've seen them. Oh boy, speed kills, homeboy, that's true.
It takes you a while when you're fasket dude, you
can do it now, but I just think that, Yeah,
I'm taking it under. Schematically speaking, I'm taking the under,
you guys. Onto the NFL Chiefs at Bengals, total passing
(38:08):
yards between Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow and a half over, baby,
We're going to shoot out. Give me an over and
a half. Oh yeah, I'll go over. I'm gonna take
the under. You guys, what could be Big Ben's last
game at Hines Field passing touchdowns one and a half over.
(38:31):
It's gonna be a showcase game. They're gonna try and
give him a couple of easy ones. Kry deliver the
question who Friarmouth? Is it tied end back? I do
not know that yet. I'm gonna take the over on
that one. I'm gonna take the over reason Ohio guy,
even though he'd beating in Ohio team, I still QUI gout. Alright, alright,
(38:55):
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