October 2, 2024 • 35 mins
The league takes a hard stance and suspends Von Miller. Utah continues the circus that is Cam Rising’s status every week. Plus the midweek awards on The Good, The Bad & The Ugly.
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When do you fly back to State College Bar in
a few hours.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
You?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Uh? Now, will you run into that same airport employee
that uh you had the issue with on Sunday when
he came back.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I'm not flying into Harrisburg. I'm flying. I'm flying in
state college that that fella was. It wasn't a problem.
It was just you know, it was just a misunderstanding,
that's all.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I thought it'd be a quick like you know, you're good,
and it wasn't. It was it turned into a full
all out pat down and you know and rubbed down.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, my front and buttocks. You know that happens.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta uh gotta do his job too.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
He was doing it too, boy.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
You know how static cleing is created, right, friction quickly, you.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Know, moving of you know something.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Anyways, sure do.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, I got through it. Though, I got through it.
It was okay. It was an awkward moment, but I
got through it. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Here's something else it's awkward. Von Miller's been suspended four
games oh no, for violating the NFL's Personal Conduct Policy
oh No. And apparently this stems from an allegation from
November twenty twenty three during the Bills bye week.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, when.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
There was some allegations that he assaulted his pregnant girlfriend
at the time. Yet nothing really happened from it, like
he was never charged with anything. I believe it was
dropped and he spoke about it briefly later on after that,
but it just kind of like it was an accusation.
Nothing really happened from it. There was some details and
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some reports and whatnot, but nothing happened. And yet here
we are and they've now decided to step in.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
We don't know if nothing happened. I mean, she recanted
or a story. That's where the charges were dropped, and
it led to obviously an investigation by the NFL. However,
if the alleged victim was unwilling to take part in
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the investigation by the NFL, they might only be able
to go off the evidence in whatever the authorities were
able to gather, which could make him look bad or
could make him look like he needs to be suspended
under the Player Conduct Policy. And the NFL was in
a tough spot because let's say some of this became public.
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As we know, TMZ likes to be able to find
ways of getting all this stuff out there. It's gonna
make him look bad, the league look bad, and so
they have to take that into consideration as well. So
it's a tough subject to discuss. But you know, she
recnadas story, there's charges were dropped. Nothing happened from a
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legal perspective, what we just don't know is if nothing
actually happened. And that's the tough part about this when
you start to bring in these personal situations. And it's
the tough part when the NFL decided to wear this
hat where they were going to start punishing players for
player conduct off the field, because now they're an investigative
arm but they're not local authorities, not the police, the sheriffs.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Or the FBI. They don't have any authority.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
You know, if they want to knock on your door
and they have suspicion of something, they can't do anything.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
It's the NFL. Like it's just it's always when these.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Situations come up, I'm always curious to how they go
about doing it. Like, is there's somewhere from the NFL's
like got a badge and everything, and he walks up,
he's like, I'm here from the NFL to investigate this situation.
Or was he actually there with local authorities and other
parties trying to figure this out, because it'd be incredibly
difficult if they're like, wait, what, you're here at the NFL. Yeah,
I'm not talking to you guys. But that's the odd
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part about how this.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
Stuff works out.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
And so even though and look, I guess there's not
going to be an appeal, which would have been my
first thought of, well, how's he suspended four games for
something in this case and not appealing it if there
are no charges involved.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
But maybe he just wants it to go away.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Either way, it obviously hurts the bills, hurts von Miller's reputation,
and it kind of stinks that this is how it
has to go down.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
You know, those are slippery slopes, you know, the.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Everything that took place for him to be in a
situation he was in to begin with. You know, I'm
not sure what grounds the NFL would have to do it,
and to do it now if that happened in twenty three.
I mean, I guess having the time to, like you said,
you know, conduct their interviews and their investigation of what
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possibly happened. I just I don't know if if legally
something isn't taking place, isn't moving forward, has been dropped.
I would have to say I would have to assume
that the league saw something that was significant enough for
them to have to to put that type of penalty
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on them. That's a lot of games. You know, I
would assume that they would have had to have seen something, then.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Why don't they like provide some clarity like what.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Did you I don't listen. I'm not going to pretend
to have the answers. All I would say is the
first thing I think about when I hear, you know,
about anything domestic domestically taking place the NFL. That is
one of the most sensitive touch points to the league
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is domestic domestic situations, like super super sensitive. So they're
always going to air on the side of caution as
it applies to these types of matters. And again in
terms of providing clarity, it could be a matter of
protection of the you know, the mother of the child.
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It could there could be a lot of reasons why
they didn't go into details about why they gave him
the four game suspension. But I would assume that they
gave him that that suspension because they saw something in
their in their investigation that said that it was like
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that was what was required of them to make sure
that they can say that they did the right thing
by the situation. That's that's what I would assume, because again,
like you said, if something were to surface again like
the the I used Ray Rice as an example. If
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if if a video were to surface, if something were
to surface, some type of information, evidence were to surface,
and the NFL didn't do it or do something, you know,
disciplinary action towards towards von Miller, how do they look?
Does anybody care? I don't know, Like maybe people don't care,
but I think the court of public opinion would have
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a harsh, a harsh response to the NFL looking as
though they took a blind eye to it or didn't
take any action whatever it may have been related to
the situation that took place.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I remember this story coming out when it happened, and
there was just sort of nothing came of it. So
I just assumed, okay, like you know, that was almost
a year ago. I figured if there was nothing of it,
there was nothing of it. And then this just kind
of randomly pops up on a Tuesday. Oh, by the way,
he suspended four games for that incident. Okay, four games?
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So what did you find? Like what happened?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Like?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I just that that's the part that's a little strange
to me, Like there's no real it's just oh yeah,
we're gonna suspend.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Him, is it? It's suspension without pay too. I'm assuming, yeah, bro,
he did something. I mean, that's what I would assume
he They saw that he did something.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
He did.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Four games is a long time. That's a long time.
How many games?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Did did? Did? Uh? Did? Watson gets suspended for? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I mean something? And some would argue that he hasn't
played since.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Sorry, four games is a lot. That's a that's I mean,
that's a quarter of the season, right.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Almost used to be, and then the NFL got greedy
and need another.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Game, added another game. But I mean it's kind of
like a quarter. That's a lot. That's a lot of games.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
That to me.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Something they saw something that was bad enough for them
to suspend him. That many games, not one, not two, Like,
that's a lot of games.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
That's what I'd say.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Mother way, you know he got I've forgotten about this too.
He In twenty thirteen, von Miller got suspended for six games.
Do you guys know why do you remember that from
twenty thirteen? Why you get suspended six games.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
In twenty thirteen?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, if you had to guess, do you have any
game show music here? What would you guess? Von Miller
was suspended for six game back in three No, no, no.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
No, if I had to guess, I mean, if Jonas
is bringing this up, was he on the gas?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
That is correct, Brady Quinn, You are correct. Von Miller
pissed hot back in twenty thirteen and got pop six
games for ped So.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Basically, you know, there's nothing that Jonas likes talking about then,
no more than pissing hot.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
So basically, pissing hot will get you six games. A
domestic incident will get you four. So that's uh, you know,
he should be noted from.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
The That couldn't have been a first time offense to
get six games, by.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
The way I think it was.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
It couldn't have been. Couldn't have been.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
You partty hot.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
One time, like you go on like probation or something
to that effect, don't you.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
How would you know what what drop is? That is that?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I didn't think you got suspended immediately upon one one violation.
They think you get fined or something to that effect. Right,
you get you get, yeah, you get suspended right around?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Suspended immediately? Is that wheat? Is it weed? No?
Speaker 6 (11:49):
No, performance hancing, right is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Maybe it's weed? You get you get a.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Yeah, they've definitely lessened the punishment now on they've they've
raised the actual I guess, the tolerance to it, so
the amount if it's a test positive, they've raised the
amount actually in your system to test positive for that.
But as far as peds go, they've always been pretty
zero tolerance. Yeah, well not zero I mean. And to
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be honest with you, if you're asking me, I would say,
you do take a zero tolerance policy with peds, and
you say, if you test positive, you will be suspended forever, indefinitely. However,
you get the chance to appeal if there's circumstances whatever
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those may be, right having to have tested, you know,
tested substance that was contaminated, whatever the case is. But
I think that would eliminate a lot of guys from
ever thinking about doing it, because the punishment is so
harsh it's not worth the risk. If you want me
to be real right now, there are guys who do
it now in the NFL for a couple of reasons. One,
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a lot of this stuff is so much further ahead
of the testing that they won't test positive for it.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
The other reason is, even if.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
They did get caught, as LaVar pointed out, it's only
a quarter of the season.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
It feels like a lot. Four games, all right, whatever, But.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
If that substance is helping you become a player that
hits incentives, hits a Pro Bowl, ends up being a
starter for the next five years because of it, or
helps you get to another contract, it probably outweighs whatever
the offset is for the four games you're suspended.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I wonder how many guys really did cheat what.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I started to think that there's a lot more than
I realized. When certain position groups that I was around
who took it, I was like, oh, well, if they're
taking it then, and then there's a few times i'd
see some guys that came back after a year. One
in particular, after his rookie year, I was like, holy cow,
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Like if that's not the case, study Like, I don't
know what it is, man, because they look dramatically different.
Kay wow, I mean, hey, Jonas, why don't you get
on some steroids.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Let's really juice this thing out.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Man took andro Does that count? No?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
No, it doesn't. Okay, we need you something significant muscular.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Let's get you absolutely jacked up and not whatever you
want right now to be.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I mean, what about the stuff that helps you recover
faster or heal up faster. I mean, like there's some
stuff out there that I look at and go, well,
why is that? Why is that not allowed? Why is
that a banded substance? Like you know, I wouldn't mind,
Like if a guy needs HGH, if that's something that
you know, like, let him take some HGH.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
No take it, let him take it.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Like you know, I mean DeAndre Hopkins, you know he
got you know, he pissed hot because there was something
in a shampoo. Like you know. That means the mistakes happen.
We shouldn't just, you know, let these guys be suspended
forever because of this stuff. Honest mistake stuff happens. But
the ask for me, No, that'll not happen. I'm with
the bar. I don't think I would look right, all
well jacked up, all tore up from the floor up.
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Plus by the way, Kelly, we're so thousand. Now, let
me let me tell you something. Dig whatever Christian McCaffrey
did in Germany, Like I might need to look into
that because I got tendonitis in my left shoulder that
that is getting worse by the day, like worse and worse.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Well, he's back on to practice field.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
McCaffrey. Well, I mean you know they're they're assuming that.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Why did you say you got to look it up?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Look what up?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
What he's doing? Well?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
No, I I want to know, like how did that?
What was that whole process?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Like?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I mean, is that an expensive procedure to get done
to where they spin your blood and you can you know.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Kind of you do pay out of pocket. That's the
one thing that's insurance ain't covering that.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
It's too bad. So yes, yes, that would have be
an expensive process. Yeah, I mean I would say, what
are the kids called stacks?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
So some stacks, it's.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Got to be a mid of them, like thirty forty
fifty stacks.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
M who needs action? You've got stix? You know what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
That's right. Restaurant Ah, hell.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
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Speaker 3 (16:36):
What the hell is going on with Cam Rising?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Brady?
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Is this thing going to get sorted out? Or who knows?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Buddy?
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Who knows?
Speaker 4 (16:43):
I mean, for those of you on the national scene
who aren't aware of Cam Rising. He's been around college
football for a while. It's a seventh year now in
college football. He's twenty five years old. There's I think
there's like eight starting quarterbacks maybe nine in the NFL
that are actually younger than him. So kind of crazy
to think about. But he's had a very successful career.
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I mean, you go back to twenty twenty one. You know,
he led the Utes to consecutive Pat twelve titles and
back to back Rose Bowl appearances. You know, earlier in
his career, however, he's battled injury issues. Now what becomes
interesting about this because we all know injuries happen, That's
not the interesting part. It's the way in which Utah
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has got about handling the information. And there's a lot
of people who are getting just tired of it at
this point, and there's no mandate in college football unless
you're in a conference that chooses to do so, like
the SEC, which has more of an NFL style injury report.
Even the Big Ten is pushing more to have more
of an NFL injury style report. And so this really
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comes down to the Big twelve and probably Brett your Mark,
their commissioner, finally forcing teams to say, look, man, like,
we need injury status on these players. That it to
be legitimate and there's penalties if not. Because for someone
like Cam Rising, the last season he played one hundred
percent without injury. It was twenty twenty one, and again
these sort of things happened. But what happened was in
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twenty twenty two, after they won the Pack twelve, they
go to the Rolls Bowl. They played against Penn State.
Your guys, he tore up his knee.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
He got hurt. Yep, he tore up his knee.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
And the tough part was is I remember going into
the twenty twenty three season, sitting down and talking to
him before the season back then at the Pat twelve
media days, and he was walking around and kind of
assured me that he, you know, might be playing all
this stuff for a talking about some of the matchups
they had didn't play. In fact, it took him six
hundred and six days until this year's season open, so
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obviously they were patient with him. He got an additional
year of eligibility, and that happens, you know, sort of
thing happens. But outside of the season opener, he then
gets hurt playing against Baylor, cuts his hand on I
believe the water cooler when he got hit knocked out
of bounds. And now every single week it has been
a week to week deal of whether or not he
(19:07):
be starting and playing so much so, and LeVar, I'm
sure you'll find this interesting. He's been starting for like
their warm ups, like taking the first team reps in
the warm ups, but then Isaac Wilson, the brother of
Zach Wilson, has gone into start and play instead.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
Now this really hasn't.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Been an issue, as the Utes have been able to
for the most part navigate this season without Cam Rising.
But this past week they lost, they actually lost to Arizona,
and now it may put their Big Twelve title hopes
in jeopardy unless they can get Cam Rising back, which
it's pretty stark contrast been a seventh year player and
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all the experience and you know, success he's had versus
a freshman and Isaac Wilson. And so I think there's
a lot of people, myself included, who are in the
media industry who are fans, but also the books. I mean,
even Vegas is tired of this. At some point, someone's
got to do something. Figure out what the hell is
Cam Rising playing again?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Dang, Yeah, I don't have too much of an opinion
on it.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Why not I don't because I was guilty. Penn State
injured his knee.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
We did jack him up. It was early too, it
was early in the game. You know.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I kind of feel like you covered it like there's
not there's not much for me to add to it.
I mean when when you're talking about injury situations, I
don't know because it's not like he's holding Is he
holding out for the league? Is he being held out for?
Like what what would be the purpose of him not
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coming back if he's healthy enough to come back.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
You know the issue and I would ask.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, the issue is there's been all sorts of theories
again because we don't know anything. Kyle Woodingham is very
close to the vest and all this stuff is he
cut his hand needed stitches on. It's on his throwing
hand that apparently it hasn't been as some of you
know speculated he had an infection. Some speculated that it's
the cut isn't a part that's so bad it's actually
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hampered his ability to grip the football and throw the football.
So all those things could be legitimate. You would assume though,
at some point he'd be able to come back and play.
I mean, he is reportedly being paid a million dollars
from their collective to come back for this additional year.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
So I think there's a fair amount of.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Frustration from fans, which not to go down a different path.
But you know, it's funny like NFL fans get frustrated
with the performance of players. The reality is the TV
deals are what ultimately pays the players. It's not in
the ticket sales, not your concessions, it's not you buying
their jerseys. They get a small cut of that, but
that's not actually what pays their salaries.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
In the college football.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Right now, it's a one hundred percent of what the alumni,
these collectives and everyone else is able to drum up
that ultimately pays these players. So if you were upset
about the lack of player being out there, they're a
lack of production. Kind of makes sense, especially if you're
one of those people who's donated a lot of money
to a collective or to a player specifically for his
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services to go play college football. So it's a little
bit more understandable actually at the college level with the
frustration that it is at the NFL.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Level right now, every conference should be required to provide
injury reports. Now, if you want to space it out
like that.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Agree and look, Brett, you remark's one of the best
commissioners in sports. He is one of the sharpest best
as far as how he's navigated everything. This is one
of those issues that I'm sure they'll be pushed back
from the coaching staffs because they don't want to have
to do it. There's some games been shipped there. He
needs to do it tough. Bat He's a stand up
and say, if you want to view us as the
SEC Big ten, we're a power for if we're part
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of this, then we needed to get up with the
times too and force our coaches and these teams to
have to actually provide injury reports.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I mean, I get why Kyle Whittingham would want to
keep it close to the best and you have him
out there and warm ups and all this. And Petros
has talked about this as well too. Just as a broadcast,
it would be frustrating to call Utah games because you're
not sure who's playing and then all of a sudden
it's a switch right before kickoff. It just if you
want like the money, the revenue, all the conversation to
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your point, if you want to be taken serious, like
you got to play the game a little bit, like hey, yeah,
we'd love to keep this a secret, but you know what,
And I think with the big ten in the SEC,
do it to where they provide you one three days before,
they provide you one the day before, and then a
couple hours before kickoff, similar to the NFL, Like it's
not that difficult and you get everybody on the same
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page like, Okay, there's no shenanigans going on, we don't
have to worry about like everything's on the up and up.
But yeah, you talk to enough like guys that gamble
on Utah games, like Brad Powers, who used to do
a show here at Fox Sports Radio, like he's one
of the best in the business, Like he's talked about
like how frustrating it is because nobody knows whether or
not you're starting quarterbacks playing if it's like a backup
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offensive tackle or if it's your guard or something like that.
I can understand, like, ah, well, it's no big deal.
Dude is one of the better quarterbacks in America when
he's healthy, but nobody knows when that is just the
whole the whole handling of it is odd, like it
doesn't make any sense, but this is the way they've
been running it there. So also, uh, you know, apparently
(24:19):
arch Manning has been dealing at Texas. Levar's absolutely dealing.
Oars guy, he's been dealing, wheeling and dealing. And now
Quinn yours is is coming back, and you know arch
Manning's out there just slinging it around, slinging it at Texas.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
So what happens after this?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
You know, we had this conversation before, I know you
said yours goes back in.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Is that you're still standing on that?
Speaker 6 (24:46):
Yes, yes, I believe that coaching staff has also stood
on that.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Okay, they're they're ready to get him back for the
Oklahoma game.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
That's ready ready.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
For Yeah, that's what Steve Sarkischan said. I'mbou the head coach,
but yeah, you can speak with him shun a bit.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Oh why do you like Quinn yours?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Bar?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I don't dislike Quinn yours? Hey, what's wrong with q E?
You know, I'm just I'm just what's wrong with three?
I'm just an Arch fan.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
You trust me, I get that. I mean he's balling,
he looks every bit the part. Uh and and he's
i mean he's a good little athlete too.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
You know, you can run and take off.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
So faster and tree.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
You know what the best part is is they've had
I think the Circasian was saying that they've had yours
on the headset as well, and so obviously that there's
the coach the quarterback, which is a little bit different.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
But you can only imagine if you were a college again.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I mean, imagine you're calling in the defense to one
of your backups in college and the crap that you
would be saying to them on the headset, and how.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Much fun they would have with that.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
So I believe I'm not sure it was after I
think it was after after Mississippi State, there's an interview where,
you know, Sark and Arch kind of talked about yeah,
quit's on the headset to he's having fun with it.
They kind of left it at that, but you could
tell exactly what was going on by the scenes.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Just busting his balls.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Okay, you're getting out play No, maybe probably saying other
stuff you know, you know about the play play calls.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Yeah, yeah, things like that, things like that. You know, Well,
it's a uh, you just never know, right well, listen,
it's uh, We've got a fun one this weekend. Penn
State's gotta buy, uh they get they get U c
l A. Uh, a little nine am kickoff for U
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c l A.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
That'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Then USC two Southern Cattle teams back back, you know,
be fun.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
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Speaker 5 (27:55):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and lovely all right, Lee to lave who's got
what well?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
As we do each and every Wednesday. We started with
the good news, and it's got to be a good
week because LeVar is delivering the good.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Well, you know what what made my week good was
that Jonas and Lee were in State College Pennsylvania. You know,
they got an opportunity to meet my oldest son, They
got an opportunity to see see Yeah, see see Beaver Stadium.
One of my highlights for me was was Lee being
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able to meet Jack Ham. That was at practice. That
was That's always pretty cool. It's always pretty cool for
me when I get to see Jack. So yeah, that
was That was my good of the week, even though
it was like last week but still kind of like
you know, from the week.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
So there you go, that's what That's what my good was.
Speaker 7 (28:53):
I'm there with you on that. That was real good.
But you can't have good without the bad. Jonas, what
was bad this week?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Kyle Pitts zero catches for the Atlanta Falcons over the weekend.
Raheem Morris's head coaches asked about it, says stats are
for losers. It's like, well, that's nice, except you know,
if there's certain people that may or may not be
doing a radio show here at Fox Sports Radio and
they've got Kyle Pitts on their fantasy team probably would
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have helped out if maybe it kind of gave him
more than whatever number of targets you gave him to
put up the zero line for the number of receptions
he had in that game. And then you just sort
of look back at recent history and Kyle Pitts just
hasn't really been involved, like hardly at all with the
Atlanta Falcons. You know, everyone just assumed that, well, you know,
the reason why they needed to move on from Arthur
(29:44):
Smith is because he wasn't getting their star players involved,
like Bjon Robinson wasn't used right, and this and this,
and it's like, okay, who knew that Darnell Mooney was
going to be the go to guy in Atlanta for
Kirk Cousins and companies. So the situation with Kyle Pitts
is a little strange. He came in with a lot
of pub and a lot of hype, and his rookie
season led a lot of people to believe that he
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was going to be in the next superstar tight end.
It has not worked out for whatever reason, and apparently,
according to his coach, stats are for losers.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
So who cares well think about it. He made the
Pro Bowl as a rookie. He caught for over a
thousand yards. He hasn't sniffed that sense ever, not even close.
And so it's fair when people ask questions about, you know,
whether it's targets or his.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Involvement in the game plan.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
He's now come close to what he was able to
do in his rookie season, and he was.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Number four overall.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I mean that's the expectations too, that came along with
this team drafted him. I remember watching him coming out
of Florida, his ability to split out as a wide
receiver and isolated make plays and you know, be in line,
be good enough too at the point of attack. I mean,
that's how he was projected. So it's been off to
not see him be more involved in what the Falcons
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are trying to do, given he feels like he still
has a ton of potential on ability. I just it's
hard to know what the disconnect is there.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah, I know, and like I just assumed, oh, that's
a rookie season, it's only going to get better from here,
and it's gotten worse. Like I don't, I just I
don't understand it.
Speaker 7 (31:20):
Strange speaking of worse from bad two worse, Brady, what
was ugly this week?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
I'm actually gonna go with a couple of things in
the AFC East, the first being the Dolphins.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
I mean, it just was an ugly game.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
We do know Tyler Huntley will be the starting quarterback
for the Dolphins at least for this upcoming week, but
it almost felt like they weren't really even going to try.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
To do much offensively. Mike with Daniels has.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Commented, you know, on the booze from the Miami Dolphins fans,
and he's got no complaints about it. He gets it,
he understands it. I mean, there's a bunch of penalties
in that game, and the game was just ugly. It
was an ugly offensive performance from what is one of
the better offenses when Ta Tongueva Loo is healthy and
playing for them. But the other side of this conversation
is the Jets in the Acas, and obviously we've had
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the comments from Robert Sala and Aaron Rodgers after the game,
and now we get Garret Wilson who's chiming in a
little bit too in regards to the Jets offense not
necessarily being basic. But they don't do a lot of
different things, and that now is becoming a bit of
a concern, I think for a number one wide receiver
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like Garret Wilson, because he's not having as much of
an impact. And he talked about watching football on Sundays
and seeing a lot of teams who mix it up
and stuff like that, and you know, he doesn't feel
like they do that. So he has come out and
even responded to the article and you know, made some
different I guess comments to what rich Semini who had
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asked them. They were initial question. But the reality is
it feels like guys are getting frustrated across the league
for those teams who aren't playing to their capability, and
Garrett Wilson is obviously one of them.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
And what team does Garrett Wilson play for.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
That's the New York Jets.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So he's unhappy being in New York and how he's
being used.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Here's the hard part, though, you know, he's the type
of player that had been knowing from him from Ohio State.
He never created a fuss, never said anything even through
all the different quartersow you know it's got to be bad. Well,
I feel like that's part of it. It's got to
be bad. But then I also kind of chock it
up as he's a wide receiver. I feel like they're
all off in the call.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I just felt like it was interesting that he would
come out and Garrett Wilson would be complaining about what's
going on with how he's being used.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
If the offense is so bland, as he has said,
then who's that on? Is that Hacket or Rogers?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
But but isn't somebody else? Then we just discussed somebody
else trying to get there?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Oh you think there's a swapping place, Scarrett, I mean,
why not swap it?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Why not swap it out?
Speaker 8 (34:07):
I mean, and if I'm debunkingotting for uh Antonio Peers,
I'm not negotiating. I mean, I'm just saying it sounds
like it sounds like that could be a mutually beneficial situation.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Just swap it out.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
One thing we do have to notice is that the
yards per game are down for garat Wolfson this year.
He's averaging almost fifteen twenty yards less than he was
his rookie year, and well about fourteen, you know, about
almost twenty yards for his rookie year, about fifteen yards
less than last year, so there does have to be
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some frustration there. But this is also an offense that
if you recall from Aaron Rodgers time.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
In Green Bay, he likes things to be static.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
He doesn't like to move things around the bunch, so
he can kind of control things in the line of
scrimmage and make those calls to see what the defense
is doing and uses cadence. That was one of the
you know, I think battles between him and Matt Lafleur
in regards to the shifts and motions everything pre snap
that they were doing. It's harder than to go and
change the plan control stuff. So it's kind of the
good and bad of if you're bringing in the Aaron
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Rodgers offense.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I mean, he did say he and Robert sall have
a great relationship. So you guys were trying to push
that out there yesterday. I thought it was disrespectful to
be honest.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
With sounds good.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I mean, what two problems are why you gotta hate
on the Jets so much?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
No, I'm hating oning you
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When do you fly back to State College Bar in
a few hours.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
You?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Uh? Now, will you run into that same airport employee
that uh you had the issue with on Sunday when
he came back.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I'm not flying into Harrisburg. I'm flying. I'm flying in
state college that that fella was. It wasn't a problem.
It was just you know, it was just a misunderstanding,
that's all.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I thought it'd be a quick like you know, you're good,
and it wasn't. It was it turned into a full
all out pat down and you know and rubbed down.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, my front and buttocks. You know that happens.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta uh gotta do his job too.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
He was doing it too, boy.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
You know how static cleing is created, right, friction quickly, you.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Know, moving of you know something.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Anyways, sure do.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, I got through it. Though, I got through it.
It was okay. It was an awkward moment, but I
got through it. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Here's something else it's awkward. Von Miller's been suspended four
games oh no, for violating the NFL's Personal Conduct Policy
oh No. And apparently this stems from an allegation from
November twenty twenty three during the Bills bye week.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, when.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
There was some allegations that he assaulted his pregnant girlfriend
at the time. Yet nothing really happened from it, like
he was never charged with anything. I believe it was
dropped and he spoke about it briefly later on after that,
but it just kind of like it was an accusation.
Nothing really happened from it. There was some details and
(02:51):
some reports and whatnot, but nothing happened. And yet here
we are and they've now decided to step in.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
We don't know if nothing happened. I mean, she recanted
or a story. That's where the charges were dropped, and
it led to obviously an investigation by the NFL. However,
if the alleged victim was unwilling to take part in
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the investigation by the NFL, they might only be able
to go off the evidence in whatever the authorities were
able to gather, which could make him look bad or
could make him look like he needs to be suspended
under the Player Conduct Policy. And the NFL was in
a tough spot because let's say some of this became public.
(03:40):
As we know, TMZ likes to be able to find
ways of getting all this stuff out there. It's gonna
make him look bad, the league look bad, and so
they have to take that into consideration as well. So
it's a tough subject to discuss. But you know, she
recnadas story, there's charges were dropped. Nothing happened from a
(04:00):
legal perspective, what we just don't know is if nothing
actually happened. And that's the tough part about this when
you start to bring in these personal situations. And it's
the tough part when the NFL decided to wear this
hat where they were going to start punishing players for
player conduct off the field, because now they're an investigative
arm but they're not local authorities, not the police, the sheriffs.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Or the FBI. They don't have any authority.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
You know, if they want to knock on your door
and they have suspicion of something, they can't do anything.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
It's the NFL. Like it's just it's always when these.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Situations come up, I'm always curious to how they go
about doing it. Like, is there's somewhere from the NFL's
like got a badge and everything, and he walks up,
he's like, I'm here from the NFL to investigate this situation.
Or was he actually there with local authorities and other
parties trying to figure this out, because it'd be incredibly
difficult if they're like, wait, what, you're here at the NFL. Yeah,
I'm not talking to you guys. But that's the odd
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part about how this.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
Stuff works out.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
And so even though and look, I guess there's not
going to be an appeal, which would have been my
first thought of, well, how's he suspended four games for
something in this case and not appealing it if there
are no charges involved.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
But maybe he just wants it to go away.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Either way, it obviously hurts the bills, hurts von Miller's reputation,
and it kind of stinks that this is how it
has to go down.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
You know, those are slippery slopes, you know, the.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Everything that took place for him to be in a
situation he was in to begin with. You know, I'm
not sure what grounds the NFL would have to do it,
and to do it now if that happened in twenty three.
I mean, I guess having the time to, like you said,
you know, conduct their interviews and their investigation of what
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possibly happened. I just I don't know if if legally
something isn't taking place, isn't moving forward, has been dropped.
I would have to say I would have to assume
that the league saw something that was significant enough for
them to have to to put that type of penalty
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on them. That's a lot of games. You know, I
would assume that they would have had to have seen something, then.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Why don't they like provide some clarity like what.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Did you I don't listen. I'm not going to pretend
to have the answers. All I would say is the
first thing I think about when I hear, you know,
about anything domestic domestically taking place the NFL. That is
one of the most sensitive touch points to the league
(06:53):
is domestic domestic situations, like super super sensitive. So they're
always going to air on the side of caution as
it applies to these types of matters. And again in
terms of providing clarity, it could be a matter of
protection of the you know, the mother of the child.
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It could there could be a lot of reasons why
they didn't go into details about why they gave him
the four game suspension. But I would assume that they
gave him that that suspension because they saw something in
their in their investigation that said that it was like
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that was what was required of them to make sure
that they can say that they did the right thing
by the situation. That's that's what I would assume, because again,
like you said, if something were to surface again like
the the I used Ray Rice as an example. If
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if if a video were to surface, if something were
to surface, some type of information, evidence were to surface,
and the NFL didn't do it or do something, you know,
disciplinary action towards towards von Miller, how do they look?
Does anybody care? I don't know, Like maybe people don't care,
but I think the court of public opinion would have
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a harsh, a harsh response to the NFL looking as
though they took a blind eye to it or didn't
take any action whatever it may have been related to
the situation that took place.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I remember this story coming out when it happened, and
there was just sort of nothing came of it. So
I just assumed, okay, like you know, that was almost
a year ago. I figured if there was nothing of it,
there was nothing of it. And then this just kind
of randomly pops up on a Tuesday. Oh, by the way,
he suspended four games for that incident. Okay, four games?
(08:56):
So what did you find? Like what happened?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Like?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I just that that's the part that's a little strange
to me, Like there's no real it's just oh yeah,
we're gonna suspend.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Him, is it? It's suspension without pay too. I'm assuming, yeah, bro,
he did something. I mean, that's what I would assume
he They saw that he did something.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
He did.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Four games is a long time. That's a long time.
How many games?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Did did? Did? Uh? Did? Watson gets suspended for? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I mean something? And some would argue that he hasn't
played since.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Sorry, four games is a lot. That's a that's I mean,
that's a quarter of the season, right.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Almost used to be, and then the NFL got greedy
and need another.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Game, added another game. But I mean it's kind of
like a quarter. That's a lot. That's a lot of games.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
That to me.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Something they saw something that was bad enough for them
to suspend him. That many games, not one, not two, Like,
that's a lot of games.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
That's what I'd say.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Mother way, you know he got I've forgotten about this too.
He In twenty thirteen, von Miller got suspended for six games.
Do you guys know why do you remember that from
twenty thirteen? Why you get suspended six games.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
In twenty thirteen?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, if you had to guess, do you have any
game show music here? What would you guess? Von Miller
was suspended for six game back in three No, no, no.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
No, if I had to guess, I mean, if Jonas
is bringing this up, was he on the gas?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
That is correct, Brady Quinn, You are correct. Von Miller
pissed hot back in twenty thirteen and got pop six
games for ped So.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Basically, you know, there's nothing that Jonas likes talking about then,
no more than pissing hot.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
So basically, pissing hot will get you six games. A
domestic incident will get you four. So that's uh, you know,
he should be noted from.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
The That couldn't have been a first time offense to
get six games, by.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
The way I think it was.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
It couldn't have been. Couldn't have been.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
You partty hot.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
One time, like you go on like probation or something
to that effect, don't you.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
How would you know what what drop is? That is that?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I didn't think you got suspended immediately upon one one violation.
They think you get fined or something to that effect. Right,
you get you get, yeah, you get suspended right around?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Suspended immediately? Is that wheat? Is it weed? No?
Speaker 6 (11:49):
No, performance hancing, right is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Maybe it's weed? You get you get a.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Yeah, they've definitely lessened the punishment now on they've they've
raised the actual I guess, the tolerance to it, so
the amount if it's a test positive, they've raised the
amount actually in your system to test positive for that.
But as far as peds go, they've always been pretty
zero tolerance. Yeah, well not zero I mean. And to
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be honest with you, if you're asking me, I would say,
you do take a zero tolerance policy with peds, and
you say, if you test positive, you will be suspended forever, indefinitely. However,
you get the chance to appeal if there's circumstances whatever
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those may be, right having to have tested, you know,
tested substance that was contaminated, whatever the case is. But
I think that would eliminate a lot of guys from
ever thinking about doing it, because the punishment is so
harsh it's not worth the risk. If you want me
to be real right now, there are guys who do
it now in the NFL for a couple of reasons. One,
(12:56):
a lot of this stuff is so much further ahead
of the testing that they won't test positive for it.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
The other reason is, even if.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
They did get caught, as LaVar pointed out, it's only
a quarter of the season.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
It feels like a lot. Four games, all right, whatever, But.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
If that substance is helping you become a player that
hits incentives, hits a Pro Bowl, ends up being a
starter for the next five years because of it, or
helps you get to another contract, it probably outweighs whatever
the offset is for the four games you're suspended.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I wonder how many guys really did cheat what.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I started to think that there's a lot more than
I realized. When certain position groups that I was around
who took it, I was like, oh, well, if they're
taking it then, and then there's a few times i'd
see some guys that came back after a year. One
in particular, after his rookie year, I was like, holy cow,
(13:55):
Like if that's not the case, study Like, I don't
know what it is, man, because they look dramatically different.
Kay wow, I mean, hey, Jonas, why don't you get
on some steroids.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Let's really juice this thing out.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Man took andro Does that count? No?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
No, it doesn't. Okay, we need you something significant muscular.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Let's get you absolutely jacked up and not whatever you
want right now to be.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I mean, what about the stuff that helps you recover
faster or heal up faster. I mean, like there's some
stuff out there that I look at and go, well,
why is that? Why is that not allowed? Why is
that a banded substance? Like you know, I wouldn't mind,
Like if a guy needs HGH, if that's something that
you know, like, let him take some HGH.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
No take it, let him take it.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Like you know, I mean DeAndre Hopkins, you know he
got you know, he pissed hot because there was something
in a shampoo. Like you know. That means the mistakes happen.
We shouldn't just, you know, let these guys be suspended
forever because of this stuff. Honest mistake stuff happens. But
the ask for me, No, that'll not happen. I'm with
the bar. I don't think I would look right, all
well jacked up, all tore up from the floor up.
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Plus by the way, Kelly, we're so thousand. Now, let
me let me tell you something. Dig whatever Christian McCaffrey
did in Germany, Like I might need to look into
that because I got tendonitis in my left shoulder that
that is getting worse by the day, like worse and worse.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Well, he's back on to practice field.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
McCaffrey. Well, I mean you know they're they're assuming that.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Why did you say you got to look it up?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Look what up?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
What he's doing? Well?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
No, I I want to know, like how did that?
What was that whole process?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Like?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I mean, is that an expensive procedure to get done
to where they spin your blood and you can you know.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Kind of you do pay out of pocket. That's the
one thing that's insurance ain't covering that.
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It's too bad. So yes, yes, that would have be
an expensive process. Yeah, I mean I would say, what
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fifty stacks.
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Speaker 3 (16:36):
What the hell is going on with Cam Rising?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Brady?
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Is this thing going to get sorted out? Or who knows?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Buddy?
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Who knows?
Speaker 4 (16:43):
I mean, for those of you on the national scene
who aren't aware of Cam Rising. He's been around college
football for a while. It's a seventh year now in
college football. He's twenty five years old. There's I think
there's like eight starting quarterbacks maybe nine in the NFL
that are actually younger than him. So kind of crazy
to think about. But he's had a very successful career.
(17:05):
I mean, you go back to twenty twenty one. You know,
he led the Utes to consecutive Pat twelve titles and
back to back Rose Bowl appearances. You know, earlier in
his career, however, he's battled injury issues. Now what becomes
interesting about this because we all know injuries happen, That's
not the interesting part. It's the way in which Utah
(17:27):
has got about handling the information. And there's a lot
of people who are getting just tired of it at
this point, and there's no mandate in college football unless
you're in a conference that chooses to do so, like
the SEC, which has more of an NFL style injury report.
Even the Big Ten is pushing more to have more
of an NFL injury style report. And so this really
(17:51):
comes down to the Big twelve and probably Brett your Mark,
their commissioner, finally forcing teams to say, look, man, like,
we need injury status on these players. That it to
be legitimate and there's penalties if not. Because for someone
like Cam Rising, the last season he played one hundred
percent without injury. It was twenty twenty one, and again
these sort of things happened. But what happened was in
(18:13):
twenty twenty two, after they won the Pack twelve, they
go to the Rolls Bowl. They played against Penn State.
Your guys, he tore up his knee.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
He got hurt. Yep, he tore up his knee.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
And the tough part was is I remember going into
the twenty twenty three season, sitting down and talking to
him before the season back then at the Pat twelve
media days, and he was walking around and kind of
assured me that he, you know, might be playing all
this stuff for a talking about some of the matchups
they had didn't play. In fact, it took him six
hundred and six days until this year's season open, so
(18:47):
obviously they were patient with him. He got an additional
year of eligibility, and that happens, you know, sort of
thing happens. But outside of the season opener, he then
gets hurt playing against Baylor, cuts his hand on I
believe the water cooler when he got hit knocked out
of bounds. And now every single week it has been
a week to week deal of whether or not he
(19:07):
be starting and playing so much so, and LeVar, I'm
sure you'll find this interesting. He's been starting for like
their warm ups, like taking the first team reps in
the warm ups, but then Isaac Wilson, the brother of
Zach Wilson, has gone into start and play instead.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
Now this really hasn't.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Been an issue, as the Utes have been able to
for the most part navigate this season without Cam Rising.
But this past week they lost, they actually lost to Arizona,
and now it may put their Big Twelve title hopes
in jeopardy unless they can get Cam Rising back, which
it's pretty stark contrast been a seventh year player and
(19:44):
all the experience and you know, success he's had versus
a freshman and Isaac Wilson. And so I think there's
a lot of people, myself included, who are in the
media industry who are fans, but also the books. I mean,
even Vegas is tired of this. At some point, someone's
got to do something. Figure out what the hell is
Cam Rising playing again?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Dang, Yeah, I don't have too much of an opinion
on it.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Why not I don't because I was guilty. Penn State
injured his knee.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
We did jack him up. It was early too, it
was early in the game. You know.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I kind of feel like you covered it like there's
not there's not much for me to add to it.
I mean when when you're talking about injury situations, I
don't know because it's not like he's holding Is he
holding out for the league? Is he being held out for?
Like what what would be the purpose of him not
(20:42):
coming back if he's healthy enough to come back.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
You know the issue and I would ask.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, the issue is there's been all sorts of theories
again because we don't know anything. Kyle Woodingham is very
close to the vest and all this stuff is he
cut his hand needed stitches on. It's on his throwing
hand that apparently it hasn't been as some of you
know speculated he had an infection. Some speculated that it's
the cut isn't a part that's so bad it's actually
(21:09):
hampered his ability to grip the football and throw the football.
So all those things could be legitimate. You would assume though,
at some point he'd be able to come back and play.
I mean, he is reportedly being paid a million dollars
from their collective to come back for this additional year.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
So I think there's a fair amount of.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Frustration from fans, which not to go down a different path.
But you know, it's funny like NFL fans get frustrated
with the performance of players. The reality is the TV
deals are what ultimately pays the players. It's not in
the ticket sales, not your concessions, it's not you buying
their jerseys. They get a small cut of that, but
that's not actually what pays their salaries.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
In the college football.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Right now, it's a one hundred percent of what the alumni,
these collectives and everyone else is able to drum up
that ultimately pays these players. So if you were upset
about the lack of player being out there, they're a
lack of production. Kind of makes sense, especially if you're
one of those people who's donated a lot of money
to a collective or to a player specifically for his
(22:10):
services to go play college football. So it's a little
bit more understandable actually at the college level with the
frustration that it is at the NFL.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Level right now, every conference should be required to provide
injury reports. Now, if you want to space it out
like that.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Agree and look, Brett, you remark's one of the best
commissioners in sports. He is one of the sharpest best
as far as how he's navigated everything. This is one
of those issues that I'm sure they'll be pushed back
from the coaching staffs because they don't want to have
to do it. There's some games been shipped there. He
needs to do it tough. Bat He's a stand up
and say, if you want to view us as the
SEC Big ten, we're a power for if we're part
(22:44):
of this, then we needed to get up with the
times too and force our coaches and these teams to
have to actually provide injury reports.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I mean, I get why Kyle Whittingham would want to
keep it close to the best and you have him
out there and warm ups and all this. And Petros
has talked about this as well too. Just as a broadcast,
it would be frustrating to call Utah games because you're
not sure who's playing and then all of a sudden
it's a switch right before kickoff. It just if you
want like the money, the revenue, all the conversation to
(23:14):
your point, if you want to be taken serious, like
you got to play the game a little bit, like hey, yeah,
we'd love to keep this a secret, but you know what,
And I think with the big ten in the SEC,
do it to where they provide you one three days before,
they provide you one the day before, and then a
couple hours before kickoff, similar to the NFL, Like it's
not that difficult and you get everybody on the same
(23:38):
page like, Okay, there's no shenanigans going on, we don't
have to worry about like everything's on the up and up.
But yeah, you talk to enough like guys that gamble
on Utah games, like Brad Powers, who used to do
a show here at Fox Sports Radio, like he's one
of the best in the business, Like he's talked about
like how frustrating it is because nobody knows whether or
not you're starting quarterbacks playing if it's like a backup
(23:58):
offensive tackle or if it's your guard or something like that.
I can understand, like, ah, well, it's no big deal.
Dude is one of the better quarterbacks in America when
he's healthy, but nobody knows when that is just the
whole the whole handling of it is odd, like it
doesn't make any sense, but this is the way they've
been running it there. So also, uh, you know, apparently
(24:19):
arch Manning has been dealing at Texas. Levar's absolutely dealing.
Oars guy, he's been dealing, wheeling and dealing. And now
Quinn yours is is coming back, and you know arch
Manning's out there just slinging it around, slinging it at Texas.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
So what happens after this?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
You know, we had this conversation before, I know you
said yours goes back in.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Is that you're still standing on that?
Speaker 6 (24:46):
Yes, yes, I believe that coaching staff has also stood
on that.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Okay, they're they're ready to get him back for the
Oklahoma game.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
That's ready ready.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
For Yeah, that's what Steve Sarkischan said. I'mbou the head coach,
but yeah, you can speak with him shun a bit.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Oh why do you like Quinn yours?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Bar?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I don't dislike Quinn yours? Hey, what's wrong with q E?
You know, I'm just I'm just what's wrong with three?
I'm just an Arch fan.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
You trust me, I get that. I mean he's balling,
he looks every bit the part. Uh and and he's
i mean he's a good little athlete too.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
You know, you can run and take off.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
So faster and tree.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
You know what the best part is is they've had
I think the Circasian was saying that they've had yours
on the headset as well, and so obviously that there's
the coach the quarterback, which is a little bit different.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
But you can only imagine if you were a college again.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I mean, imagine you're calling in the defense to one
of your backups in college and the crap that you
would be saying to them on the headset, and how.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Much fun they would have with that.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
So I believe I'm not sure it was after I
think it was after after Mississippi State, there's an interview where,
you know, Sark and Arch kind of talked about yeah,
quit's on the headset to he's having fun with it.
They kind of left it at that, but you could
tell exactly what was going on by the scenes.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Just busting his balls.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Okay, you're getting out play No, maybe probably saying other
stuff you know, you know about the play play calls.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Yeah, yeah, things like that, things like that. You know, Well,
it's a uh, you just never know, right well, listen,
it's uh, We've got a fun one this weekend. Penn
State's gotta buy, uh they get they get U c
l A. Uh, a little nine am kickoff for U
(26:44):
c l A.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
That'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Then USC two Southern Cattle teams back back, you know,
be fun.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Gotta let him know it is two pros and a
cup of Joe. Here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you. You can listen to.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
This show is.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Always on the iHeartRadio. I'm coming up next year though
it is a Wednesday tradition. It's our midweek awards, the Good,
the Bad, and the Ugly.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Right here on FSR, be sure to catch live editions
of Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn,
LeVar Errington, and Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern,
three am Pacific.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
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Speaker 5 (27:55):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and lovely all right, Lee to lave who's got
what well?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
As we do each and every Wednesday. We started with
the good news, and it's got to be a good
week because LeVar is delivering the good.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Well, you know what what made my week good was
that Jonas and Lee were in State College Pennsylvania. You know,
they got an opportunity to meet my oldest son, They
got an opportunity to see see Yeah, see see Beaver Stadium.
One of my highlights for me was was Lee being
(28:36):
able to meet Jack Ham. That was at practice. That
was That's always pretty cool. It's always pretty cool for
me when I get to see Jack. So yeah, that
was That was my good of the week, even though
it was like last week but still kind of like
you know, from the week.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
So there you go, that's what That's what my good was.
Speaker 7 (28:53):
I'm there with you on that. That was real good.
But you can't have good without the bad. Jonas, what
was bad this week?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Kyle Pitts zero catches for the Atlanta Falcons over the weekend.
Raheem Morris's head coaches asked about it, says stats are
for losers. It's like, well, that's nice, except you know,
if there's certain people that may or may not be
doing a radio show here at Fox Sports Radio and
they've got Kyle Pitts on their fantasy team probably would
(29:23):
have helped out if maybe it kind of gave him
more than whatever number of targets you gave him to
put up the zero line for the number of receptions
he had in that game. And then you just sort
of look back at recent history and Kyle Pitts just
hasn't really been involved, like hardly at all with the
Atlanta Falcons. You know, everyone just assumed that, well, you know,
the reason why they needed to move on from Arthur
(29:44):
Smith is because he wasn't getting their star players involved,
like Bjon Robinson wasn't used right, and this and this,
and it's like, okay, who knew that Darnell Mooney was
going to be the go to guy in Atlanta for
Kirk Cousins and companies. So the situation with Kyle Pitts
is a little strange. He came in with a lot
of pub and a lot of hype, and his rookie
season led a lot of people to believe that he
(30:06):
was going to be in the next superstar tight end.
It has not worked out for whatever reason, and apparently,
according to his coach, stats are for losers.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
So who cares well think about it. He made the
Pro Bowl as a rookie. He caught for over a
thousand yards. He hasn't sniffed that sense ever, not even close.
And so it's fair when people ask questions about, you know,
whether it's targets or his.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Involvement in the game plan.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
He's now come close to what he was able to
do in his rookie season, and he was.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Number four overall.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I mean that's the expectations too, that came along with
this team drafted him. I remember watching him coming out
of Florida, his ability to split out as a wide
receiver and isolated make plays and you know, be in line,
be good enough too at the point of attack. I mean,
that's how he was projected. So it's been off to
not see him be more involved in what the Falcons
(31:04):
are trying to do, given he feels like he still
has a ton of potential on ability. I just it's
hard to know what the disconnect is there.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah, I know, and like I just assumed, oh, that's
a rookie season, it's only going to get better from here,
and it's gotten worse. Like I don't, I just I
don't understand it.
Speaker 7 (31:20):
Strange speaking of worse from bad two worse, Brady, what
was ugly this week?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
I'm actually gonna go with a couple of things in
the AFC East, the first being the Dolphins.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
I mean, it just was an ugly game.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
We do know Tyler Huntley will be the starting quarterback
for the Dolphins at least for this upcoming week, but
it almost felt like they weren't really even going to try.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
To do much offensively. Mike with Daniels has.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Commented, you know, on the booze from the Miami Dolphins fans,
and he's got no complaints about it. He gets it,
he understands it. I mean, there's a bunch of penalties
in that game, and the game was just ugly. It
was an ugly offensive performance from what is one of
the better offenses when Ta Tongueva Loo is healthy and
playing for them. But the other side of this conversation
is the Jets in the Acas, and obviously we've had
(32:11):
the comments from Robert Sala and Aaron Rodgers after the game,
and now we get Garret Wilson who's chiming in a
little bit too in regards to the Jets offense not
necessarily being basic. But they don't do a lot of
different things, and that now is becoming a bit of
a concern, I think for a number one wide receiver
(32:33):
like Garret Wilson, because he's not having as much of
an impact. And he talked about watching football on Sundays
and seeing a lot of teams who mix it up
and stuff like that, and you know, he doesn't feel
like they do that. So he has come out and
even responded to the article and you know, made some
different I guess comments to what rich Semini who had
(32:55):
asked them. They were initial question. But the reality is
it feels like guys are getting frustrated across the league
for those teams who aren't playing to their capability, and
Garrett Wilson is obviously one of them.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
And what team does Garrett Wilson play for.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
That's the New York Jets.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So he's unhappy being in New York and how he's
being used.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Here's the hard part, though, you know, he's the type
of player that had been knowing from him from Ohio State.
He never created a fuss, never said anything even through
all the different quartersow you know it's got to be bad. Well,
I feel like that's part of it. It's got to
be bad. But then I also kind of chock it
up as he's a wide receiver. I feel like they're
all off in the call.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I just felt like it was interesting that he would
come out and Garrett Wilson would be complaining about what's
going on with how he's being used.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
If the offense is so bland, as he has said,
then who's that on? Is that Hacket or Rogers?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
But but isn't somebody else? Then we just discussed somebody
else trying to get there?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Oh you think there's a swapping place, Scarrett, I mean,
why not swap it?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Why not swap it out?
Speaker 8 (34:07):
I mean, and if I'm debunkingotting for uh Antonio Peers,
I'm not negotiating. I mean, I'm just saying it sounds
like it sounds like that could be a mutually beneficial situation.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Just swap it out.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
One thing we do have to notice is that the
yards per game are down for garat Wolfson this year.
He's averaging almost fifteen twenty yards less than he was
his rookie year, and well about fourteen, you know, about
almost twenty yards for his rookie year, about fifteen yards
less than last year, so there does have to be
(34:41):
some frustration there. But this is also an offense that
if you recall from Aaron Rodgers time.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
In Green Bay, he likes things to be static.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
He doesn't like to move things around the bunch, so
he can kind of control things in the line of
scrimmage and make those calls to see what the defense
is doing and uses cadence. That was one of the
you know, I think battles between him and Matt Lafleur
in regards to the shifts and motions everything pre snap
that they were doing. It's harder than to go and
change the plan control stuff. So it's kind of the
good and bad of if you're bringing in the Aaron
(35:12):
Rodgers offense.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I mean, he did say he and Robert sall have
a great relationship. So you guys were trying to push
that out there yesterday. I thought it was disrespectful to
be honest.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
With sounds good.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I mean, what two problems are why you gotta hate
on the Jets so much?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
No, I'm hating oning you
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