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January 14, 2025 38 mins

Steelers have tough decisions to make with Mike Tomlin and Russell Wilson this offseason. LaVar isn’t happy about Penn State DC Tom Allen splitting for Clemson. And Mike Vrabel explains what’s wrong with the NIL system and how it affects the NFL.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
All right.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
So, one team that's on the outside looking in because
their season ended over the weekend and it wasn't really
all that close, which is par for the course with
the opening round of the playoffs was the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Var your Pittsburgh Steelers, who you picked to win the
Super Bowl?

Speaker 3 (00:57):
They are They're done.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
Did not pick them to win the Super Bowl, but
they are done.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
And and much like James Franklin, everybody comes of running,
all the fans that aren't, you know, in the know
or whatever, here they come running saying that they need
to fire Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
You know, yeah, I think they should fire Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
No, And it's kind of a ridiculous conversation because I
just don't know it's gonna happen.

Speaker 6 (01:29):
I wouldn't fire him. If you're gonna get rid of him,
you could trade him because you can actually get assets
back in exchange for him. I think he's that value
in the league. So if you feel like it's not
working or you know it's when its course, you know,
if you thank him for everything, but try to work
out of trade and that would make the most sense.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yeah, I mean, I guess so, I don't know who's
going to be knocking at the door to give a
bunch of draft capital to get Mike Tomlin. But I mean,
if you asked Russell Wilson, he's really I don't mean,
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
But you know, Russell Wilson's ready to do it again.

Speaker 6 (02:08):
Why wouldn't you give up draft capital trade for a coach.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
For Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
It's been been like forty eight years since they won
a playoff game something like that.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
Let's just make sure.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Let's just make sure Jonas Knox doesn't become a decision
maker for an NFL Francis.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Last time they won a playoff game, Bubby Brister was
starting a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
So it's been Yeah, that's not true.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
That's not true at all.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, Russ wants back.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
To say, yeah, that's that's that's the that's the plan.

Speaker 6 (02:43):
I mean, obviously i'd love it, hear and everything else.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
And I think we have a great football team.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Obviously it didn't go in the way we wanted it to,
and I think there's a lot more to do.

Speaker 6 (02:51):
And you know, so you know I.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Said to you guys before, I always just trust gotten
the process and all that.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Hell, yeah, you know that's uh. And listen, he's got
his sandwich, give it.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
To God, and people people rally around.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
They rally around you, you know what I mean, play
that Christian card.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
People start to rally around you. Man.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
They give you a little bit more grace, they give
you a little bit more sympathies. I just you know,
I'm surprised he did as well as he did this year.
I mean he did, he got an opportunity justin fields
didn't quite live up to the standard or the expectation
of what would have been thought that he would do.

Speaker 6 (03:30):
I mean, justin.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
Field, it wasn't great. Well, yeah it wasn't great.

Speaker 6 (03:35):
What was the rec when he was playing I just don't.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Think he was as efficient as he could have been.
I don't want to feel like I'm being unfair to
the young man, but I just didn't think that he
carried the team in a way where he could have
kept the job. It was almost like they had to
put Russell Wilson in when he got back healthy, they
had to put him back in. I felt like it
just feel I thought, So, remember.

Speaker 6 (04:01):
There were three and oh they got to the hot start. Yes,
When when did Russell take over? I don't remember because
because even the losses, like it wasn't on fields when
they lost to Indy and those are tight games.

Speaker 5 (04:16):
I just wasn't overly impressed.

Speaker 6 (04:20):
You rode off the season for the Steelers and Russell
Wilson as soon as you saw the signing. You did
not think Russell Wilson was a Pittsburgh guy.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
I don't. I still don't.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Week seven, but he did, buddy, I guess.

Speaker 6 (04:39):
Just beat the crap out of the Jets. Oh god, yeah,
because after week seven or four.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Week seven he started eleven games. So after week seven, yeah, So what.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
I'm saying like, I wasn't blown away by Justin Fields
and after what seemed to be a hot start by
Russell Wilson hit his ass, he cooled off to now,
I don't want to be I don't want to be.
I don't want to be A because I am A.

Speaker 6 (05:07):
Would be the case where you could have said you're wrong,
but I noticed you're not going to go that direction,
So go ahead.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
No, I'm not. I'm not going to say I'm wrong.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
They did finish the season losing five in a row,
so it's not like.

Speaker 6 (05:21):
Defense. I was definitely Wilson. But that's all right.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Well, I mean, I don't think I was wrong about
Russell Wilson. I think he came in, he did a
pretty good job.

Speaker 6 (05:34):
I wish you had the sound before the season.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
I don't. I don't.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
I think he did a pretty good job. But I
just don't. You know, it ended the way I thought
it would end. You know, it just didn't start the
way I thought it would start.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
I mean, he he came in and he was doing well.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
God blessed. They named the sandwich after him. I mean,
the they embraced him back get back home.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
But but dang, it didn't the milk went bad. So
I'm saying when the milk goes bad, you either make
some cheese out of it or you throw it out,
you know what I mean, That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Damn, Well, I mean looks.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
You know George Pickens though he's got a more positive
outlook on how.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Things are going.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
What are you gonna do with him?

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Well, let's take a listen with this offense.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
For three years, have you seen signs with groch?

Speaker 5 (06:20):
And how much more is this te he still need
to throw off that?

Speaker 7 (06:23):
Yeah, I've seen sign of a grow for sure from
from past, you know, the first year I've been here,
just just way more growth for sure.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
George? Does that make you optimistic going forward? Uh?

Speaker 6 (06:34):
Nah?

Speaker 5 (06:37):
Tang tang? I mean.

Speaker 8 (06:49):
Yeah, there's definitely been progressed. I mean you're optimistic moving forward? Nah?

Speaker 6 (06:57):
Is there a chance he doesn't know what the word
optimistic means?

Speaker 3 (07:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (07:02):
Damn.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
It felt like those two comments didn't go together, like
I want to hear what he said after that.

Speaker 8 (07:12):
I think there was this awkward silence.

Speaker 6 (07:14):
Wait, what Yeah, things are going in the right direction,
but then you're not out.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
That It sounds like that would be horrible to say.
Of course he knows what optimistic?

Speaker 5 (07:27):
Are you are we are we sure? Let's hear it?

Speaker 8 (07:30):
Can we listen to it again? So we're all on
the same page here.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
I love to listen to it at slow motion.

Speaker 7 (07:35):
GOHD with this office for three years, have you seen
signs of roche and how much or is being still
need to.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Do off that story?

Speaker 5 (07:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (07:41):
I've seen signs of growth for sure, from from past,
you know, the first year I've been here, just just
way more grow for sure, Which.

Speaker 5 (07:50):
Doesna make you optimistic going forward? Uh?

Speaker 4 (07:53):
No, he doesn't want to be there, man, That's just
what it what it comes down to. He doesn't want
to be there. He wants to be somewhere else. And
uh and I would imagine that they would probably potentially
maybe entertain moving on from him.

Speaker 6 (08:12):
Why doesn't doesn't Tyrek Hill went out of Miami? Why
don't they swap Pickens? Who isn't Pickens from South Florida?

Speaker 3 (08:21):
I don't know. I mean that Tyreek is from Florida.

Speaker 6 (08:25):
Yeah, but he wants out. I'm saying, let Pickens go
back home. Let Tyrek Hill go to a scene that's man,
maybe items like he'll be the guy or whatever.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
Go back to being cold.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
I think he knows exactly what optimistic means now that
I'm like kind of digestive.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Nah.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
Pickens is from Alabama.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Yeah, huh, he's so good too, but he just sometimes
he wants to play some does he doesn't.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
I don't want to run this route anymore? Plays going
on though?

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Whatever I mean, it wasn't like there was anything that
he said that was profound in his response. You know,
it wasn't like it gave any type of explanation or
made you feel as though he's he's bringing it from
a place of yet like here's an example, or you know,
well this happened then then and this is what's happening now,

(09:23):
or whatever it was. It was just a very you know,
just very short, what you know, very minimum.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
What do you do moving forward?

Speaker 4 (09:32):
Because we have the discussion about the Raiders and in
that division, you're the team without a quarterback, et cetera,
et cetera. You look at the AFC North and it's like,
thank God for Cleveland because you're not getting by Joe
Burrow and Lamar Jackson for the next ten years.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
So what do you do if you're the Steelers?

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Just accept the reality that you're you know, nine to
ten win first round and out in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
What it feels like.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
That is what it feels like. But then my question becomes,
do you bring in a different coach that can change that?
Does a different coach change what the trajectory of the
Pittsburgh Steelers is.

Speaker 5 (10:15):
What they are.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Knowing that you have Lamar Jackson and this fully loaded,
this fully loaded football team. I kind of think we're
going to see who's going to win the super Bowl
this weekend. Like this game is who's.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
Going to win the Super Bowl? Now? I know I.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Picked Kansas City to play the Eagles and win it,
But I think now right now looking at the team,
the teams that are to me, the winner of the
Super Bowl is going to come out of this Bills,
this Bill's Ravens game. Anyway, back to my point, you're
not going to win the AFC North right now, if

(10:55):
you're a Steelers, you're not currently the way they are,
they're not going to win the North. The Bengals came on,
I would suspect that this was a down year, but
I don't see that being the case next year. I
think they had to clear some things up, you know,
whether it be with Pickens, whether it be with Chase.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
They got to clear some things up, and once that's cleared.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Up, I think moving forward, I think they'll be back
to being good as well.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
I do not.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
See Cleveland changing things. I see them being the same
as you mentioned Jonas. They can fight fight it out
for who's not last. But does another coach change the
fortunes of the Steelers? Do they become the top of
the AFC North or the runner ups again with a

(11:43):
new coach.

Speaker 6 (11:46):
It's so hard to say a question because I mean,
you've had three coaches in how many years? I mean,
did things really changed from Chuck Knowle to Bill Kawer
to Mike Tomlin. It's not like well, I guess. The
hard thing about answering that is with other organizations there's
turnover where you see an uptick from that head coach

(12:07):
that comes in and bringes life into the organization, takes
on his own way of doing things right. I mean,
for example, Sean McVay from Jeff Fisher. Jeff Fisher was
a good football coach, right, had his moments, very consistent.
You bring in Sean McVay, the team goes to two
Super Bowls and they win one. Granted, you know, GoF

(12:30):
obviously the number one overall pick, you're bringing Stafford, but
you know still so it's a combination of things. But
you do see that jump. You do see a team
now that I don't know that. We were picking the
Rams to get the playoffs this year, and maybe they
make a run, right they just was in a wild
card round. We'll see what happens the next round. But
I think they're a dangerous team in the NFC. So yeah,

(12:51):
like I do think a coach, you know, a coaching
change could change things up and make a difference. You
put Ben Johnson with that Pittsburgh roster at least on
offense and the different pieces they have, and you find
whoever you feel most comfortable with as the defensive coordinator
with those pieces like that team, yeah, I think they

(13:13):
could do a lot of damage. Now, you know, I
don't know who their quarterbacks is gonna be. I don't
know if it's gonna be Russell or or if it's
gonna be someone else. But you know, again, I kind
of threw out the idea of Kirk Cousins, you know,
bringing him in, feel like he could be the answer.
I don't know how you dont to absorb that contract.
That's probably the toughest thing for the Steelers in that

(13:33):
case is if they are going to bring in somebody's
under contract. They do contracts definitely than a lot of people,
so they might not want to bring on all that.
You know, there's a reason why Russell Wilson's there. I
don't know that Pittsburgh would have had Russell Wilson on
the roster if it wasn't Denver who's footing the bill.
So that's that's the tough part of the equation. But
could you imagine, like bringing in a prolific offense to Pittsburgh,

(13:57):
Like what those fans would be like. I mean they
they would be taking those they would be crapping themselves
in excitement. They'd be taking those terrible towels. They wiping
their pants. That's how excited they would be about an offensive.
I'm just saying they've been waiting for a team that
could explode and do the things offensively like the Lions
do this year. They would be taking those terrible towels

(14:19):
and wiping their ass with it.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Ye he's running down the side of their leg. Good call.

Speaker 6 (14:27):
That's how excited they'd be for like as an explosive offense.
It's not disrespect. I'm just I mean, it's someone say
it sounds terrible, but it actually it would be out
of excited excited by the way.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
We didn't get a chance to talk about Uh, Brady,
your guy you got massage Watson on his setback.

Speaker 6 (14:46):
Oh now, we talked about it. I mean we don't.
There's the reality is we don't know enough about the setback.
We talked about it. Back to the terrible towels there,
there was a moment when I saw LeVar in Soi,
Florida walking across the lobby after the security guy accosted
him to wake him up. I thought, you had a
terrible towel and like come out of your back of

(15:09):
your pants.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Now, that would have been possible. Anything would have been possible.

Speaker 6 (15:15):
Like a I don't know if it's a sweet towel
or what kind. Yeah, I mean it looked like some
sort of towel.

Speaker 5 (15:21):
I don't remember, don't recall it's in the past.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, Now it could have been part of the fact
I did not commit I did not commit it.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
I did not commit it to memory.

Speaker 6 (15:31):
I was just hoping. I was like, dude, this guy
would like I hope Pittsburgh Steelers fans understand when they
talk about like true fans, like guys who have their back.
I was thinking in that moment, was like, holy crap, dude,
LeVar is like a gigantic Steelers fan. Like it's not
just talk, really, that's what I'm saying. So like when
I when I was like, well, my first thought was

(15:53):
it's LeVar is he's walking like a t rex right now?
And then I was like, is that a terrible tow that.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Up in there?

Speaker 1 (16:02):
It was not a terrible towel. I'm going to get
dumped again too, because you gave me. You gave me
a dumple bull of fence at the beginning of the show.
Now you're giving me a dump a dumple bullet fence
at this part of the show.

Speaker 5 (16:16):
I don't even remember what it was you said. I
don't know, but you're.

Speaker 6 (16:19):
Walking like a t rex. That's when you know when
you get up your stiff, your knees hurt. I was
doing the same thing this morning.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
That's how I always work, That's how I always walk.

Speaker 6 (16:27):
No, that's not true. You got swag. I see the
walk when you once you get moving, once you get moving,
sound like Jonas walks with his chest out because he's like, yeah, here,
I am here, I am clinched. Everybody look at me, everybody,
look here. I just worked out, folks. Now I did
some radio and I'll be moving on trying to eat

(16:50):
nothing the rest of.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
The day, trying to fix my posture.

Speaker 6 (16:53):
Lee, will you please follow me from thee make sure.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
Lee roads is down for me.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Lee, damn get clear the way.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Can I ask you this?

Speaker 1 (17:07):
You?

Speaker 4 (17:10):
I gotta ask you this because Fritz of Darhill, speaking
of towels, you had a story yesterday. The reason the
reason why I brought up, uh the massage Watson stuff.
Is there the chance that the Browns can get out
of the contract because he was seen on TikTok without

(17:32):
his walking. So the day after Christmas he posted on
TikTok him and his girlfriend getting out of the car
on the side of the highway and doing a TikTok dance.

Speaker 8 (17:40):
And this was within less than two months after his surgery.

Speaker 6 (17:45):
So I know you guys want to go into that.
We understand, we did it. We went over this. We
don't know enough of the details. It's purely speculation. Here
here's how it breaks down. If he was doing something
where he injured himself and it was outside of the
kind fines of a what he was supposed to be
doing in his rehab i e. Wearing a walking boot,
et cetera. And then b damages someplace outside of where

(18:09):
he's supposed to be rehabbing or what's been okayed by
the Cleveland Browns in his rehab process. That could potentially
negate his guarantees. That would be how that works. But
again which we don't know any of those two We
don't know any of those details. Trying to we just
start speculating at this.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Point, trying to find it out for the organization.

Speaker 6 (18:30):
And also, I do appreciate us playing the Steelers sound
from two days ago. That was great. His post game,
it was postgame two days ago.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yeah, we didn't get to yesterday. I know, I know,
I know, he's just a lot going on.

Speaker 6 (18:45):
There's enough to talk about him yesterday. Yeah, I just
I know, you got to hold this run down. You're like,
you know what, Let's go back to.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Nineteen eighty the George Picking stuff.

Speaker 6 (18:53):
Let's go back var Let's go back to nineteen eighty seven.
Let's talk about what happened in October of nineteen eighty
seven is Jonas strike short year?

Speaker 1 (19:00):
You know, Tales High School, Pittsburgh, PA. They want a
national title USA today, national Champsamn.

Speaker 6 (19:11):
Hell yeah. By the way, I'm not trying to take
anything away from that team, but how the hell would
they know if they could win nationally? I mean, that's
that's such a weird thing.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
Well, they ended up being the number one rated high
school team.

Speaker 6 (19:21):
No, I know, I know, I know. I mean, look,
there's been years where I think, like you know, modern
Day has been or St. Thomas Aquinas has been in Florida.
You're just like, how do you know there's not a
bunch of guys somewhere up in Jersey. You know, maybe
it's St. St. John Say Don Bosco, who knows what is.
But I was saying, like a bunch of guys who

(19:41):
got nothing to live for after high school football, and
they're gonna go out still and they're just gonna everyone's
head for four quarters straight and wipe the floor through. Like,
how do you know there's not a team up there
that's just sitting around waiting for that chan a number

(20:03):
one national un You just said that's what this high
school stuff? You know, you don't know. You don't know
for it. Maybe it's in Minneapolis, Minnesota, ever you know
up up here?

Speaker 3 (20:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (20:16):
Maybe it's Wisconsin. Maybe there's there's someone up there.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
You drive in to the R team drive.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
When you drive into Ross Township, there are the signs
up wherever it is you enter into Ross Township that
is the home of the nineteen eighty seven national champs.

Speaker 5 (20:36):
Now there you go. I don't give a damn what
no Brady Quinn is talking about right now.

Speaker 6 (20:42):
I'm just speculator. I don't know if anyone else feels
the same way. But I don't know how in a
high school football schedule and season you could determine your
national chance.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
They take your strength to schedule, they waited.

Speaker 6 (20:57):
Look, it's a business call. What it is, just it's
all which Back then, I.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Think we had about three or four teams that were
ranked in the top twenty five preseason state there we
had to beat like a top fiver.

Speaker 6 (21:12):
That was so long ago, I'm not sure they could
even make it over the Rocky Mountains. Back didn't see
it was what Jonas was probably like watching football thinking,
I wonder if they even know that we played football
out here.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Shots out to the Bender Brothers, Shots out to the
k Gules, Shots out to the Thought Exercise shots out.
Shots out to Dwayne Hitchcock, the Dope tail Back, Shots
out the Ranky, Shots out the Ranky. Shots out to
all of the guys that came together and Coach McCurry.

(21:45):
Shots out to Coach McCurry. Shots out to Coach Morris
and his son Gray on the team Murry shots out
to everybody. Yeah, there we go, you go, shouts out
to y'all.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
You know what the show? So you know what, when
you see Brady Quinn, give him our love. You know
what I mean? When you see me? Yeah, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 4 (22:09):
Yeah, Hey doesn't he doesn't. He doesn't know how it
goes down on Rochester Road.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
You know, he doesn't get it.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
That's fine.

Speaker 6 (22:16):
You look Google cool man.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
We don't even have a Wi Fi here because the fires.

Speaker 6 (22:22):
That's not true, really, how LeVar? How would they do
the show if they didn't have Wi Fi?

Speaker 5 (22:29):
Cause Lee can use his phone?

Speaker 6 (22:31):
Yeah a sound First off, when has when has jonas
ever very seldom, I should say ever, use this Lucy
app or phone. He needs a mic, a professional setting.
There's no shot he risked his reputation on the Lucy app.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
That's correct, that's true.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Some people call me the North Hills High Radio, you know.

Speaker 6 (22:55):
But again, man, no one calls you that.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Well, somebody didn't, no one.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
It is two Pros and a couple of fight here
on Fox Sports Radio, Acount Quinn, Jonas Knocks of the Air.
All right, coming up next. Apparently everybody wants out. They
are trying to get away, trying to move on. It
is a story in the world of football that hits
close to home here on this show.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
We'll get into that for you here on FSR.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington and
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Speaker 4 (23:35):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Jocks of the Air. Coming
up in about fifteen minutes from now. Somebody has some
thoughts on the changing landscape.

Speaker 6 (23:46):
Of the world of football.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
We will get into that for you again about fifteen
minutes from now. This is a bit surprising.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Well, no.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Tom Allen, the defensive coordinator for Penn Yeah, I was
so disgusted with their performance on offense that he left
the program and is now on his way to Clemson
apparently well right, And I don't.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Know what to do about that.

Speaker 6 (24:12):
I will say this, this was the most surprising move
because I don't think this is a lateral move. This
feels like a step down. I mean, you tell me
it's Clemson closer winning a national championship or Penn State
right now, Penn State just playing the semi final. If
you got a roster that's built, I think to get
back in the playoffs next year and try to make
a run. I just I look at it him like

(24:33):
I don't get it now. I mean I try to
read up on it. Some people talked about, hey, dabos
when he's pretty hands off his coordinators, you know, so
he's gonna have you know, fall autonomy.

Speaker 5 (24:44):
You know.

Speaker 6 (24:45):
James Franklin doesn't strike me as the type that's gonna
be over arching over Tom Allen. Anyway. He comes from
an offensive background, so I'm not really sure you know
what went on there. But like I said, it doesn't
even feel like a lateral move. It feels like a
step back in regards to at least where both those
programs are at this point, and people at clubs can
take issue, but I mean Clem's is a long departure

(25:07):
from where they were back when they won a national championship.
We're making more appearances in the college Fooball playoffs. I
know they went this year, but it's like again, it
was kind of more of a like, hey, you had
to win it in order to get in in a
conference that was viewed as weak as anyone.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
You know. I made the point this is something that
James Franklin has done.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Now. He made a lateral movement, which I don't really
understand that. Some people brought up the fact that that's
where his daughters are and that's where he wanted to move. Well,
he was coaching in Indiana before, so I don't I
don't get you know, Okay, well he had the opportunity
to go.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
There, all right. But I brought up the idea of
James Franklin is constantly had placing coordinators, you know, from
from Warhead to Brent Prye to the latest being Manny Diaz,

(26:08):
Charles Huff. I mean, he's he's had a great run of.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Having success with coaches being taken away from them, and
somebody brought up the fact that, well, Clemson Pride. People
brought up the fact that maybe Clemson offered him more
money to go there and coach. Yeah, I mean I
would assume. So I won't get into all of that.

(26:35):
I don't know all the details of that, but some
people offered that up as that would be the reason
why he made the decision. I just know this, that's
not the to me, that's that's not what I come
to know as the Penn State Way. People come there,
like Terry Smith has been there forever. He's been there

(26:57):
the entire tenure of James Franklin, you know, coach Poindexter,
a college Football Hall of Famer. He's been there, and
he's shown a lot of of you know, loyalties towards
Yeah yards crazy, He's shown a lot of loyalty to
to the program. Like to me, I look at it

(27:18):
and I say, come there one year and leave, like
that's kind of I don't know. I felt like Tom
Allen might be like when I heard this, it's like,
no way that could be true. He seems like, you know,
a good man like type of guy that that like
has the integrity of what he does.

Speaker 6 (27:36):
And you know, so you think he's not integrity because
of it.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
I'm not going to say he's not a good guy
in lacks integrity. I just thought that he had more
of it.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
I think there.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
I thought there would have been more good guy in
him and more integrity than to leave.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
Program and less. Unless I heard that his family is Inclemson.
That's I did hear that.

Speaker 6 (28:01):
That makes a.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Difference, but it said that he's got his daughters live
in the Carolina.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
Try to go there, Try to go there. Try to
go there. Then before now, like you're going to go
somewhere for what year chance and then leave?

Speaker 6 (28:15):
Well maybe maybe that job wasn't open and in Dabos
Sweeney's mind right like they just coator.

Speaker 5 (28:22):
Well then wait.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Then wait, I mean, I'm just saying, if you go,
if you went to a place and you spent one year,
one year getting it, getting it situated and put in play.
He's a former head coach. Now if you get a
like I had no problem or issue. Matter of fact,
I saw Manny in Vegas. I had no problem with

(28:45):
Manny leaving to go to to take a head coaching
job out of Prestige's college. I don't have a problem
with that, but you're leaving to be a defensive coordinator
somewhere else.

Speaker 5 (28:57):
Look, that doesn't hit right with me.

Speaker 6 (29:00):
If it's about family, it's more understandable.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
You know.

Speaker 6 (29:03):
I didn't see that confirmed anywhere I did. It was
like a message board or something where they said that.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
So I put it.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, I mean I saw it get put out there,
but it did to me. I just you know, if
if it's serious enough, where you need to be Like,
let's be clear here.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
They said family.

Speaker 5 (29:19):
Everybody's adults.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
They said family ties in the Carolinas. They didn't even
say Clemson.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
Which I mean everybody.

Speaker 6 (29:26):
Can we get some theme music potentially that would be
more Carolina ask or Carolina based if that's possibly.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Lee is not with us currently, but yeah, every single
time asked.

Speaker 6 (29:36):
For he's never.

Speaker 5 (29:40):
Which means that he must not.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Ever be around ghost.

Speaker 8 (29:44):
Hey, raight, is he in the bathroom?

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Do you want North Carolina or South Carolina?

Speaker 6 (29:53):
Yeah? I would say probably South Carolina if possible.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
Yeah, South Carolina.

Speaker 6 (29:58):
Okay, we'll take that. Let's go now to our resident
South Carolina expert. When Jonas Knox give that he spent
some time in Charleston, South Carolina.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
It's correct.

Speaker 6 (30:08):
He's got his hand on the shaft and a hot
pulse of really, what's happening there?

Speaker 3 (30:13):
You had it right the first time.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Yeah, yes, I did have my hand on the shaft
there in South Carolina. Now some would say in Charleston.
That is not accurate. My hand on the shaft in
North Charleston. North Charleston was significantly cheaper than downtown Charleston.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
So that was the place that I chose to reside.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
A downtown guy anyway, Yeah, you know, it's just a
little bit too pricey out there, But yeah, I was
there in South Carolina, went to many piggly wigglies, and
maybe that could have been the allure for Tom Allen.
Maybe he looked around and said, you know what, I'm
just not happy with what we've got to offer here.
Let me go down south and let me go get
myself a nice whiff of a pig wig when I

(30:56):
want to go do some shopping, and said, screw you
to James Franklin into the Penn State program.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
I'm on my way out of here. That would be
my guess, gotcha. But I mean we can't confirm or
did I know that?

Speaker 6 (31:08):
So it is what it is. As I said, I
see it more as a step back. I understand Clemson
Tiger fans may take issue because you won the ACC
to get into the College Football Playoff, which again there's
a down year in the a SEC all right, boughtaby
and bottom line, not a very good showing in particular
in the playoffs. So I just I don't view that

(31:31):
as helping them get any close or helping him get
any closer winning a national championship. If he cares about that,
If it's more about family, again, it kind of makes sense,
but I don't get it.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
You know, I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
And you're adults unless you have a ailing family member
or something to that effect that would call for you
to be within the vicinity of them to be able
to get there back and forth.

Speaker 5 (31:57):
I understand that.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
And if that's what comes out, then he told he
has my apologies since serious apologies.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
But if it's just oh I need I got this
opportunity and I can move back near my daughters, Like
I don't know, what if?

Speaker 6 (32:10):
So man, what if business that he's concerned about. Maybe
he has health issues, and he said I want to
be closer to.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Them, didn't he by the way, Yea, Indiana.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
Yeah, well you will say this. Let it be made
known that or don't coach.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Like the one thing about coaching them, the one thing
I'm giving ultimatums, the one thing. One thing I'll say
about about coaching is that it's about everything except you.

Speaker 5 (32:40):
You know, you know, it's about everybody.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
But if this is about any other school, he would
not be passionate about.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
It, you know what I like though, you know, I
do like that Laars covered his tracks because he's like,
well listen, if it's something serious, then you know, I hope,
I hope everything as well.

Speaker 5 (32:54):
But if not, screw him.

Speaker 6 (32:56):
But screw you, and don't coach.

Speaker 5 (32:59):
Don't. Yeah, you want to be with your kids, Go
be with your kids.

Speaker 6 (33:04):
Hey, Man, Like, all right, your emotional I'm not I'm disappointed,
and I like the emotion.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
I'm just wanting you know, maybe does this mean that
man Man's going with him? Maybe that was the selling
point offense State.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Hey, oh no, he said he's not Damns.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
And we choose the school they're coming back and and
it Yea and Big Zane and the nast sudden come on.

Speaker 6 (33:35):
I still think when we come back, we should get
from LeVar the story of his fish at that DC house.
When you come I just that's my story. Well, I
was thinking about how you're emotional right now. It's like
the other time I heard you be really emotional was
when you talked about your fish, your coy fish.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Oh you stupid, stupid, that's that is my Why do
you like bringing up those Why do you.

Speaker 5 (34:04):
Like bringing up bad memories? Bro very traumatizing.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
And by the way, I think LeVar kind of told
me off to the side one time that maybe the
fish were just overweight, you know what I mean, that
could have been the issue.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
That is crazy because if they were overweight, I would
tell them to get with PhD weight loss doctor.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Listen, visit my phdweight loss dot com. That's right, that's
my phdweight loss dot com. Be healthy again, don't be
like my coyfish.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
There you go, there you go, two pros and a
cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radios.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Coming up next.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
There.

Speaker 8 (34:46):
It might be some koyfish, it.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Might be somebody calling out college football's culture. Whatever it is,
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Speaker 2 (34:55):
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Speaker 4 (35:06):
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(35:28):
videos on YouTube. So Mike Rabel was introduced to the
media yesterday, but he took time to address the nil
culture that's been created in the world of football.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
I want to you guys take a listen to this.

Speaker 9 (35:41):
I do think that we're getting a different style of player,
a different, you know, different player to the NFL, you know.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
One that you know sometimes.

Speaker 9 (35:49):
Guys played four or five years in college in the
same place under the same coach, and.

Speaker 5 (35:55):
We don't have a whole lot.

Speaker 9 (35:56):
Of behavior to change when they when they got to
our league, and I think now with the NIL system
that everyone is embracing and I'm all in favor of,
but sometimes those players are at a school for six
months and they may go to another school and with
another leadership style and another structure, and so when they
get to our league, there's some behavior that may have

(36:18):
to change and we have to be willing to help
them change it.

Speaker 5 (36:23):
And that's okay.

Speaker 9 (36:24):
This is not an indictment on the college football system.
This is just you know, you could go back and
get a player from Alabama or Ohio State or Notre
d Eate where they had been there for four or
five years, maybe they red shirted and there was a
consistent program and you felt comfortable adding that player. Now,

(36:45):
you know, I say, car to keep track of where
they went to school, and so that's not easy. But
what we're willing to do to help those players that
need to have some of those things changed and the
commitment to the team, like, we're willing to do that.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
That was MI brable yesterday.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Very sad reality, man. That's a sad reality that I
don't even know where the kid went to school. Super
sad man. And that's going to be a daunting challenge.
That's not like he's stating it a little understated. That's
going to be a daunting challenge dealing with the behavioral

(37:22):
patterns of guys that transfer from school to school and
what comes along with it, the baggage that comes along
with it, whether it be parents, agents, family, friends, it's
going to be a lot of baggage that comes along
with it.

Speaker 6 (37:36):
I guess I try to look at the positive of it,
and I would think that, yes, you're getting a different player,
but you're also getting a different player who's introduced to
a professional sport. I guess sooner, I mean, let's not
kid ourselves, college football is becoming professional. So there is
an element of, like, these young men understand even at

(37:57):
a younger age, that they've got to act as pros
helps prepare them more for the NFL.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, well that's the positive. That's a positive angle, But
I don't know the reality of it.
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