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Speaker 1 (02:21):
So.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
There was a tweet that was sent out by Ian
Rappaport of the NFL Network earlier who said Aaron Glenn
is expected to meet with the Jets later on today.
The hope is that they're able to get a deal done.
He's a former Jet. It would seem like it would
make some sense, but you know, he could be the
head coach of the Jets by the end of today,
if not the Saints or another team that are considering
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Aaron Glenn if he decides to pass on whatever the
New York Jets are offering. Which is interesting because the
other coordinator for the Detroit Lions, the offensive coordinator, Ben Johnson,
reportedly finalizing a deal.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
To become the new head coach of the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Wow, which which would mean that Vegas once again doesn't
get their man right.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
But like, why was that ever? Like that?
Speaker 5 (03:08):
And you talk to enough peoples like, oh, that's gonna happen.
It's a foregone conclusion. Tom Brady can't, you know, talk
in certain ways about Ben Johnson because if he hires
him afterwards, it's see they've already talked and there's a
massive deal out there, and then a day, a couple
of days after they get eliminated, he agrees to a
deal with the Bears.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Like what happened?
Speaker 6 (03:27):
This is where I can't stand some of the narratives
that the Internet and social media create. You have people
who have no clue what they're talking about. And it's
even some people who have websites, I mean pro football
talk talked about the conflict of interest with Tom Brady announced.
He's announced a game, He's talked about these coordinators, But
it's like it's a conflict of interest because he's a
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limited partner of a team, Like, can we just get
this out so people understand, Yes, he's Tom Brady, and
I'm sure Mark Davis takes into account his opinion and
he might even be a part of the interview process.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
He doesn't have the final say.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
He's he does not the majority owner, like until he's
that ultimately, whatever he says it matters to.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
A degree, and then it doesn't.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Because Mark Davis owns the team, he has to make
that decision with whoever else he's maybe anointed, and maybe
Tom's one of those people. But at the end of
the day, it's still Mark Davis's team. Who he wants
to hires, who he hires. That's how this all works.
So there's no conflict of interest with him calling a
game just because he talks to these guys in an interview. Like,
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what's the conflict? I mean it does Tom Brady giving
out the Detroit Lions secrets to the Washington Commandos before
the playoff game? Like I don't really understand like, what
the big conflict is that Mike Florio or anyone else
has an issue with. It's it's the stupidest discussion we've
had for the entirety of the season.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
So can we just move on? And Ben Johnson nor
Aaron Glenn are gonna.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Be the next head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders.
So that's one side of this conversation. The other is
what is the city?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
You guys?
Speaker 6 (05:09):
The Ben Johnson of all the jobs that are available,
is picking a team that's in the division, which he's
he's in right now, or at least until it's official.
I guess, I thin guess it's official. But he's leaving
Detroit Lions as the offense coordinator to stay in the
division and go to the Bears. What do you think
that says about what he thinks about the rest of
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the NBFC North.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
That there's that window in Detroit that's closing and he
sees that as as an opportunity and based on what
we saw from that division in the playoffs this.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Year, I'm gonna take my chances right where we at. Yeah,
I know, I'm familiar with my familiar confines and and
they don't lock their doors.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I mean I was with AP the other day and
I just still couldn't understand outside of it being for
benj and like I get clearing it out. You know,
one year, the guy doesn't have pretty much anything that
he needs personnel wise outside of a defensive end and
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a rookie a rookie sensation tight end, and you let
him go after a year. Okay, you're doing it because
of all of the things we're hearing about Ben Johnson.
But now, if Ben Johnson isn't going to Las Vegas,
then who is your coaching candidate and why is that justified?
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How do you justify this firing now is what I
would be curious to understand, because again, you want to
go away from a defensive minded guy. Okay, makes sense.
All the name that just kept surfacing and resurfacing and
being connected to Tom Brady's, you know, being enamored by
him and all this other stuff and aggressively wanting him
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has been Ben Johnson. So how does that work? How
do you you now justify that decision? And have we
heard a name emerge as who is the front runner
to be the head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
The only name I saw was Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
That's all I heard, so saying, if you're legitimizing the
firing of Antonio Pearce after one year with total negligence
in being able to give him a team that would
be able to have success in that particular part of
the NFL, how do you justify the firing now that
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you're not getting Ben Johnson. I think most people would
say they would be okay.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Like I didn't.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Maybe I didn't like him, maybe he didn't get a
fair shake. Who cares. You're bringing in a guy that
you believe is going to be someone who offensively can
get this team going, but that's not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
So where you go from here.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
It might be a different offensive mind if they do
do it, I.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Would assume so.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
But I want to get back to the the decision
by Ben Johnson though selecting this team, because the one
thing is you talked about Antonio Pierce that they didn't
have in Las Vegas is a quarterback. And that's one
of the evaluations that I think if you're Ben Johnson
and you're looking at the Chicago Bears ownership, which has
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been criticized heavily in many ways, how they've led. This
search has been criticized heavily. But the one thing I
think you could say they have is they have a quarterback.
I think Caleb Williams has displayed that this season, his
ability to be able to make plays and show enough
potential where Ben Johnson says, yeah, I can work with that,
like I can work with a lot of the pieces
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that they have around him too. Are we anywhere close
to where the Lions are? No, Because if you look
at that roster, one of the strengths of that offense
is their offensive line. They built that thing from the
inside out, and clearly the Bears still need to do that,
but they have some other pieces around the quarterback position too.
So you know, Ben Johnson knows that division better than
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any other, and he saw value. He saw you know,
maybe as he's looking at his own team saying, well,
they're gonna lose Aaron, They're gonna lose me. You have
a window that's closing on a roster that's hard to
keep all these guys together. And maybe we've hit the
ceiling with Jared Goff. So if I'm gonna take an
opportunity where I have to face this team twice, here like,
I'm okay with that because I've got this quarterback, I've
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got these other pieces, you know, these defensive pieces.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
I feel like I.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Could turn this thing around and win some football games
at a place that hasn't experienced that. And I think
he probably looks at Minnesota and says, well, they've got
to make a decision. Is Darnall coming back?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Is he not? If he's not, it's.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Jaj McCarthy who's essentially playing his rookie year since he
missed this year with injury. So as good as Justin
Jefferson is and Kevin O'Connell is, there could be those
growing pains. And by the way, they might lose their
defensive coordinator and Brian Floores if he gets a head
coaching job, and then you you know, you kind of
look at green Band and say, well, green Bay they
can build on the roster they had, you know, a
good seat too. But he made this decision looking at
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this division that he knows so well and even his
own team and saying, yeah, I could beat these guys.
Otherwise you don't take that job. And I think he
thinks he can beat him with Caleb Boyas and some
of the pieces they already have.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Yeah, it's and I think it says a lot about
what he feels about those teams in the division, what
he felt about the Raiders. I can't wait to hear
what Pete Prisco says about, you know, the Jaguars and
where that lines up, because look like the Trent Balky
stuff that we've talked about, like that could be pushing
and steering a lot of people away from the organization.
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But there was a lot of people that thought, man,
if you're the Bears, like nobody's gonna want to take
over a team that's got Kevin Warren who's all over
the place, who's got Ryan Poles who's already there, Like
they're gonna want to be able to pick and choose
who they're working with when it comes to the front office.
And so he just looked at it and said, I'll
take my chances with the quarterback with what they got
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on offense, and just.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Hope that the old line gets better.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Like that would feel like would be the most sensible,
which is why some of the other ones out there
outside of Jacksonville, who's got a quarterback and and some
pieces there, just didn't make a whole lot of sense.
To me, So Dallas never never, I don't even I
don't even think Dallas got an interview because they waited
so long. So Dallas, they just you know, Mike McCarthy,
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I mean, Mike McCarthy in Vegas is that I don't
even know if he's interviewed. I don't even think they've
they've talked to him, but Mike McCarthy's out there.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
It feels like some teams are better than others announcing
who they've interviewed. Like the Bears interviewed everyone god, and
they were also very public about that, whereas other teams they'll,
you know, someone will send out a report or maybe
there's an insider who lets it be known. But the Bears, man,
they were, they were. They interviewed pretty much everyone on
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the face of the planet besides Lee.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Well and got the best one out there. So yeah,
maybe there's a method to it. So now they get
say we've seen it all, we've seen the world.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
We get to brag about I seen the most coveted,
prestigious job out there.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I still think Brable was the best one, but you
know this is second best. I mean, Jonas, how are
you feeling about this? This is your you know, this
is your big job.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
By the way, the staff is like already coming together, right,
Like Dennis Allen will be defensive coordinator. It looks like
Darren Rizzy. Yeah, I mean it's a hell of a staff.
I will say that's a hell of a staff.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
So and Dennis Allen has always been They've given him
credit as one of the better defensive coordinators in the league.
It's just as a head coach, like he struggled with
the Raiders, struggle with the Saints and it just never
panned out. But you know the fact that he's going
to get gobbled up this quick, I think, I think
says a lot about him, Darren Rizzy, Like, I can't
wait to see some of the interactions he has with
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Tory Taylor.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
If that's the case, that's going to be.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
A lot of fun Taylor Toy Tory oh oh oh,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Now the other one too soon? The other Yeah, yeah,
so that that could be Antonio Brown won't let it go.
You will not let it go, you know, or whoever's
ring his account. So yeah, that's uh, I'm cautiously optimistic.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Uh I just the O line.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Is a real problem and unless they get that fixed.
I just don't know what's gonna look different this year
as opposed to last year. I mean, maybe they won't
lose those games they should have won. Uh you know
a couple of those being divisional games that were just
late game collapses. But yeah, cautiously optimistic. And everybody says.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
They've got a ton of cap space. Yeah, fourth most
of the league. Now, as far as and you talk to.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
These you know, people in and around the league, as
far as play callers go, where does he stack up,
ben Jonson Brady as far as.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
He's went up there at the top.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
I mean, did you not to go back to the
previous game since we're already on Tuesday, did you see
the little quick pitch that turned into a shovel pass?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (14:10):
And I mean you just don't see other teams doing that.
It's awesome. It's ridiculously creative. It was perfectly designed because
the way it impacts and it really dissects the defense
almost cuts it in half with the way they blocked
and the way the defense reacts. So it's it's stuff
like that that that's the creativity you're looking for. I mean,
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you can apply it to any other industry. You want
like people are always looking for that person who's the innovator.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
They're creative, they're they're like.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
Able to take their business and do things that like
they can't foresee or they can't fathom.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
That's what Ben Johnson's been as a play caller.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Now, whether or not he can execute those things and
get that Bears team to get it done, that's another story.
But that, to me at least is I think the
hope for lot of Bears fans is you're a team
that is best known for the eighty five Bears for defense.
I think that's fair to say that, and Walter Payton
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like those two things. Maybe you'd say, Jim McMahon, you
might have throw some other players in there, But by
and large, I think the Chicago Bears are viewed as like,
the greatest team we had was a defensive team, and
this is an era now of offensive football, and I
think it's gonna be fun for Bears fans to see
all the different things that he can dial up. I mean, hell,
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they've watched it when they get to play the Detroit
Lions two times a year, so it'll it's gonna be
fun to see what he's able to do. With Keiler
Williams because he's got a ton of ability, right, Like
he couldn't do as much with Goff because of his
lack of mobility. Caleb Williams can do a bunch of stuff.
So that's what could be really fun with this offense.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
I wanted to ask you as this because I've been
curious about it when people talk about offensive versus defensive
minded head coaches. Did you guys notice a difference as
a team in either the approach or the vibe depending
on whether the coach came from the offensive side or
defensive side of the ball. Was there any difference that
you noticed as players.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
With the different side of the ball that came from.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Yeah, just like if you like, hey, we're our head
coach is an offensive minded head coach, Like, was there
a different vibe, a different approach to games as opposed to, Hey,
our head coach is a defensive minded head coach.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
As players?
Speaker 6 (16:28):
I mean, I feel like I could speak on this,
but I always felt like the defensive coaches that I had,
it was very like these three things.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
This was you know, like it was very.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
I don't know how to describe as saying like not regimented,
but it felt like at times. I mean, there's it
all depends on the personality. There there's one that like
that I that you know I was had or was
a part of that kind of just more talked to
the team, but then really felt like it was the
defensive led team and he wasn't wrong, but you know,
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that was his strength, that's what he knew, That's what
he kind of spoke to. There's others that when they
speak it's almost like how they would coach the defense. Hey,
we got to stop these you know these two or
three things. This is what you have to do in
order to win. And then you've get you get other
coaches who I think that come from the offensive side
that kind of speak more generally. Maybe there's a pep
talk to something a little more you know, creative about
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It's just it's it's just different, Like I think there's
just different perspectives on how they see the game and
then how they reflect that and teach a team.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
But that's how I would describe.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
It is typically the offensive. You know, guys are coming
up with different schemes and players and different stuff, like
there's only so many ways you're gonna play, man, There's
only so many ways you're gonna play different types of zone,
and so it tends to be kind of more in
this like box of of this is what we've got
to do to win, you know, this is these these
two or three things where you take away we're doing this,
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doing that, Okay, boom, go out and do it, go
out to execute.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I don't know, that's why I'm pressI at least, I mean,
I think there's a little bit more to it than that.
But I mean I would ultimately say I looked at
the person and I never really took the time to
think about, Okay, this is a defensive coach, Like we
had Marty Settenheimer. He's a defensive guy, you know, we
had Steve Spurri. Or he's an offensive guy. We had
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Nord Turner, he's an offensive guy.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I just, you know, I don't know. I never really
looked at it from that perspective. So it's kind of
interesting to because you hear it. It's always reported and
it's always discussed like Okay, you're choosing between an offensive
minded guy versus a defensive minded guy. But I guess
recalling as a player, I never really I just looked
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at it.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
As the person.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Like, like, the reason why I ask is because like
we're talking about how great Jayden Daniels is and they're
talking about, Hey, if you want to get the most
out of Kayleb Williams, you're gonna need to get an
offensive minded coach. Well, dan Quinn's a defensive coach, but.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
He brought in a brillion offensive mine in Kingsbury. So,
like I guess to the point, it depends on the
type of control that that head coach wants, I would assume,
And I guess that's where I was getting to is
you get to know the person. You get to know
if they're like more of a delegator or if they're
more of a micro manager. And if it's a defensive
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guy or even if it's an offensive guy, depending on
how micro they are, on how they're running the team
will dictate to me. I would assume how heavy you
are on one side to the other. Like we were
supposed to be a heavy, offensive sided type of team
when Steve Spurrier took over, and we were totally defensive driven,
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totally you know, but we had Marvin Lewis as as
a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
How would coach Spurry talk to y'all. Oh, hey, you know,
nobody's fault. Nobody's fault. We're all pros here, all right, Hey,
get gets showered out. All right, we're going to bet.
He will mean, well, i'll see us, see you guys
on Monday, but again on Monday.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
But again, don't don't.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Don't wear it all weekend.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
You know, Hey, we're all pros.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
We're all pros. Uh, it's all film. We got it
on film. We'll see it. We'll watch it. Well, we
got it.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
You know, we're all we're all So basically, what he
was telling you is, if you're here, it's because you're here.
If you get released, it's because we're all pros. You're
getting released. Like that's basically what he was telling cats.
Because we lose that game. We lose that game. He
was like, oh, he ain't nobody's fault.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Was he the loosest head coach you've ever had?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Oh he's the best. He's like, I mean, you could
do whatever you want. I mean it was like this.
He trusted the players to govern the team. It's like,
you guys be pros. You guys be what you're going
to be to one another, and we're just gonna call
plays like we're going to practice the we're gonna run
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the plays. This is our playbook, so on and so forth,
and and Marvin was a little different. Marvin was more structured.
So we had our own little thing going. But in
terms of a total hole and being able to like
stay at home or relaxed with meetings and stuff like that,
Coach Spurrier was the best. I was like, I used
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to tell them, dude, y'all immature mother efforts. Y'all going
to f this up for all of us. You're gonna
f it up for all of us because y'all not professionals.
And they did, and they blamed that on Steve Spurri
or how many days beween? When is Steve Spurrier da?
Speaker 5 (21:35):
How many days a week? You think he played golf
because he loves.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I don't know, man, I just remember the one time
it was raining outside and we went out.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I was like, man, look, look, Coach Cole, that that
rain was hitney.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
That we just got started with doing like, you know,
the little little jog through. We hadn't even made it
to stretches.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
He was like, it's sure, it's cold out here, Let's
take it on there and wrap it up. It's like,
get lunch, get getting yeah, get in the weight room,
getting the weight room, get a little film in.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Hello, it's cold, get a break.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
It was out he was running towards the doors, and
you know what, we were sitting there. He was like,
it's cold as hell out here. Why are we out here? Like?
Why are we out here practicing? And he was like
he was doing what we was thinking like, you don't
never have that happen with a coach. A coach does
what you're thinking, Like, dang, what would it be like
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if coach just called the practice like, we don't really
need to be out here. It's a spring practice. It's
crappy out here. Why are we out here? Like we
could do a lift.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Hey, it's cold as hell out here. Hey, everybody, bring
it on up. We're gonna take it on there. We're
gonna get lunch, We're gonna get in the weight round.
Were like fifteen minutes into practice. Broh. It was it
was not did you laugh, Like, how do you guys
react to that?
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
We was pumped up, dudes, was pumped up.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
But see the problem was is you had vets that
were pumped up and it's like get in here, get
your food, digest your food, get a good workout in
and use the time properly in the meeting room. And
then you had dudes like I'm gonna go get my
food and I'm gonna speed through this workout and I'm
out of here. I get back to my video games
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like whatever, like get back to my my, you know,
my dating life.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Whatever it was.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
It's like, dudes just weren't taking What Steve was doing
was allowing for us to be responsible for one another,
and dudes just wasn't. I guess the biggest the biggest
thing I to say for him is he needed to
realize and notice that he didn't have enough of He
didn't have enough old head vets that could could manage
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the locker room at that time. It just wasn't the
mix was we were too young. We were too young.
He had to tighten up, like when Marty had us.
The old heads hated Marty because it was opposite. He
treated us like the young dudes and had all kinds
of rules and was coaching like he's out there telling
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He's out there telling Darryl Green, like how to do
his stance as a defensive back d Green in like
year twenty eight, he telling d Green how to do
his stance and then stuff like that in defense.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
It was wild response.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Oh, d Green would look at just look at him
and be like like what you're really correct Like you're
correcting my stance. Like I'm like he ain't look at
him like.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I'm Daryl Green. But what the what?
Speaker 1 (24:41):
What the what? That was when he made he made
Bruce Smith dude. He made Bruce Smith dude. Oklahoma drill.
They did Oklahoma girra. Bruce's like, all right, I'm gonna
do it. Bruce gets up there, he throws the guy
out of the way. He hits the guy. Everybody's pumped
up like Bruce gets up. Then he goes back now
on one knee. We never saw Bruce again for the
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recentrated cat and the kid in the same drill, a
kid breaks his ankle, shot him.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Er goes all right, everyone, let's take a knee and
let's pray.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Right, everybody takes a knee, and you hear somebody, you
hear voice come out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Pray pray for what? Pray for?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Some of his matten is going on around here. We
tall turned the looking with Bruce Bruce Smith was not
he was not happy. He legitimately injured. Oh yeah, he said,
they're holding his shoulder. His shoulder was on the ground.
He had to pick his shoulder up and hold his
shoulder while we was praying for the other dude that
just broke his ankle.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
So yeah, it was very interesting.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
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Speaker 3 (25:49):
I'm not on that one.
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Speaker 1 (26:18):
It's a very good reminder, job On, what did you say,
job On? What it's from the cool running soundtrack?
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Right?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Is it that? I'll believe?
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Speaker 1 (26:47):
A pretty popcorn Bubb'll go reggae song.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
A little bit of confusion here based on what's on
the Google doc and what's on the rundown that was
printed out.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Oh no.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
On the Google doc it says the topic from yesterday,
but on the rundown it says F S R I
R baby version.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
So okay, I'm not really sure what right now.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
I know I'm saying that's when Lee went back to
uh to fix some things.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
He uh it reverted all the way back to another day.
He's trying to change. Right now, he's trying to change.
I love it the real the real time editing by
Leada La. I hate this Google doc so much.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
What do you mean just filling out the easiest thing
in the world to deal with and you can't figure
it out.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
It's just the copy and pasting. I got it. I
got this other thing I gotta do in the l
drive that's.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Copy pasting is hardast What what do you mean it?
Speaker 3 (27:51):
How's that hard? It's not hard. It's not hard.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
So like yes, it did say baby auto correct Brady version.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I thought we would have a good Brady version of
the f s R. I R seeing them. You know what,
I did say baby version because I.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Usually I will tell you with the notes that I
put in the rundown if I have a good story
to share.
Speaker 8 (28:25):
So.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
I did put in one.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Exactly like that was a terrible assumption. I mean, I
will go ahead and describe life with an infant. With
a newborn, you're basically feeding, changing, and then you know,
that's pretty much. It burpened the baby a little bit too,
but that's pretty much it not a lot of sleeps involved.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
And that's the extent I thought, maybe you know something
in the hospital here and there, something might have happened.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
But it's been a long week and haven't talked you
in a week.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Yeah, it's it's all blur when you when you have
when you have a child, which hopefully one day you'll
get to that point. Who knows you will.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
It's not looking like it's.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
Coming any closer the way things are going, but you will.
You will one day have that joy and then you'll
see him be like, oh it's not you know, as
crazy as I thought, it's a lot of the repetitiveness
the same thing.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Race. Yeah, well, can't wait, go speed go, speed racer. Yeah.
No one's betting on you to have a kid anytimes.
Who well, that would be great though. Uh. You know,
all all dads here on the.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Show, and the rain is a mom too, so we
could all be parents together here, Lee, stop holding on. Honestly,
you joined the party. It's fun.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
That's a good time. Can't wait.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
You got a vent in the room, Come on now,
you know you know.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
It is two pros and a cup of joe. Here
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by the way. The discussion surrounding Lamar Jackson, Well, let's
let's make sure we got full time for that because
we are up against it here at this point. But
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you're a dad, if you're a mom, if you're Lamar Jackson,
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You're not hot in here speaking of weight loss. We're
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Yeah, my confident like this, No, that ain't gonna be
this war, No, damn it is.
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Speaker 1 (32:16):
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Speaker 3 (32:19):
So.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Patrick Ricard of the Baltimore Ravens said that he thinks
Lamar Jackson's going to win a Super Bowl one day
and that he hopes to be there for it.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
And when do we ever talk about their windows closing
with him? Does the Ravens do they have a shelf life?
Do they have a window that that's open?
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Look, I know that he hasn't done it, but with
him as their quarterback, I think they've got a shot
as long as he keeps playing it the way at
the level he plays at.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
And I know people want to old it doesn't seem
like that's translating.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
I don't think that it's because the debate about who's
you know, Mark andrews Lamar Jackson's turnovers, Like can't it
be a little of both?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
It's all of it, but it's all of it.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
But at the end of the day, it's all of
it on a team that Lamar Jackson continues to lose
the way that he's losing in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
Can can I obviously I wasn't here yesterday I talk
about this, but the thing that stood out to me
about that game, and there's narrative.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
There's narratives about both quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
I mean for Josh Allen, like he has not been
able to win the MVPs, not being able to get
over the hump. Maybe he does that this year, right,
maybe he wins the MVP. You know, these are the
two candidates next to Saquon that I think I've been
making a case this year, but coming into the game,
like it's never been about I think for either of
the quarterbacks, like if they can get to the playoffs,
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like they've been playoff teams now, it's getting over the
hump to then get past Kansas City get to a
super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Neither have been able to do it.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
And if you go back through their playoff history, both
when I've watched him, I've always felt like they've pressed
and for some reason, you know, you go back and
look at that game, like it still feels like Lamar
is pressing. You know, the fumbled you know, the ball
play kind of however that turns out the interception. You know,
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he probably thought the receiver is going to keep a
higher angle. You know, that's my bet, because he let
it go early, had good timing and anticipation where they
are on the field. Usually that's a back you know,
you're thinking more back pylon angle at that point. Even
if it was front pilon, it still should have been
more vertical. And it looks bad gets picked off. It
might have still been you know, based on how he
threw it might have still gotten disrupted by the middle
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safety anyway. But it always feels like when when the
games in a crucial moment in the playoffs, he presses
and he tries to do too much. And that was
the difference between him and Josh Allen this game was
Josh Allen just kind of took what the defense gave him,
you know. Joe Braden and asked him to win the
game necessarily, and when he had to be physical, he
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ran physical.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
He did this thing around the goal line.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
And I go back to the two point conversion and
I look at that and I say, you know, because
everyone's the point to that play in particular, and it's
the small details for me sometimes with Lamar Jackson, when
you watch and go that ball when you're in shotgun
and you have a sprint out and you have a
play like that like everyone would call, you know, sprint
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right option, where usually you're basically just trying to get
that slot receiver. In this case, the way they set
up kind of a pick for Mark Andrews, you're trying
to get him the ball quickly out in space. You're
creating some sort of pick or like screen for him.
And but that ball, because of the timing of it,
should be out of his hand in five seven steps
at most, and go back and watch, I bet he
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takes nine if he didn't take more than that. And
the reason why that's significant is because of the timing
of it, like Mark Andrews is not going to feel
the sideline, the ball ends up being low and behind. Well,
if you have a little more space and you're not
worrying about staying in mounds while trying to catch the football.
Even though it's a bad pass, it's still easier to
then still adjust to make the catch and get in
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the end zone. But now not only he's it's not
only battling the goal line, he's battling the sideline too,
and so it just it compounds the mistake of not
getting the ball out soon or when he was opened
right out of the gate that's his first read, that's
probably his only read, and not giving him better ball.
So it's like those little small things they don't really
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reveal themselves with the course of the regular season. But
then when you get into his crucial moments against some
of the best, like that's where it's like, well, we
got to be more detailed with our approach to everything
we're doing. We can't press. So I think he's got
a long window, but there's still some things, some fine
tuning that he needs to improve upon, and obviously their
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team needs to improve upon, because I mean the Mark
Andrew's fumble, I have no idea why he was running
backwards like he caught that football and looked like he
had at least ten yards upfield. Instead, he tries to
cut back and then the ball gets ripped out, they
turn it over, they give up three points.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
I look at it and I go despite like other
playoff losses that Lamar Jackson has had, like the one
against Tennessee when they were the one seed and you
know it was they had the bye week and Derrick
Henry was throwing touchdown passes and they were They got
annihilated in that game. That was just a bad game
for Lamar Jackson, a bad game for Baltimore in general.
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And they talked about it afterwards, Well, we rested week
eighteen or week seventeen, whatever it was back then, and
you know, we basically missed three weeks. We're not going
to do that again. And like they just sort of
kind of look back at their getting ready in preparation
for that game and it changed this one.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I looked at and went all right.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
So he had the early turnovers, but multiple times in
the second half he was able to drive them down
the field. Like I don't just look at it and go, well,
you blame Mark Andrews, you blame Lamar Jackson. Like there's
also the fact that Derek Henry only ran the ball
sixteen times, like it felt like there was an opportunity
there for them to lean on Derek Henry a little
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bit more. I just it's too easy for people to
go with, Oh, it's just Lamar's fault. Oh they can't
win with Lamar. Oh they can't.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
It's man like.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
There's a lot that goes into this stuff. And there's
a lot of people that say the same thing about
Josh Allen, like and you know, if he beats Patrick
Mahomes this upcoming weekend, then all that goes by the way.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I just think that there.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Was Jane Daniels is one game away from going to
the super Bowl. I mean, there just are some there
are some guys that just don't end up winning super
Bowls that have had brilliant careers, like super brilliant careers
as quarterbacks. I just think we got to accept that.
And Lamar's apps and he has a he has a window.
I just wonder when does that window start to close?
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You know, I mean because you got to have the
conversation about it. I Mean there's guys.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
Think it's it's open, Like probably Lee's window is just
trying to escape from his situation
Speaker 3 (38:58):
At that come down, well, there you go.