December 4, 2024 • 40 mins
Jerry Jones is selling hope in Mike McCarthy because he doesn’t have anything better to sell. The Bears players are right to be frustrated with the organization. Plus, ‘The Good, The Bad & The Ugly.’
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the way tire buying should be. So it seemed like
it was a foregone conclusion. People have basically written the
obituary of Mike McCarthy, the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys,
that was going to be a rap on his time
in Dallas. He was offered no contract after this year,
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and so it was, Hey, we're just going to play
this thing out. There was even some people kind of
kicking around the idea of all those bad home losses,
are they potentially going to move on from Mike McCarthy
in season? And Jerry Jones kind of started throwing this
out there, you know, a couple of weeks ago, about
the potential of it's not the craziest idea in the world,
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and Mike McCarthy will get an extension afterwards. It's like, wait, what,
Like this is a bit of a plot twist. Jerry
Jones on his weekly radio hit one of two on
the Fan in Dallas was talking with Sean and RJ
and had this to say about.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Mike quality of character, quality of football character. He steady
is a rock, has never wavered from his matra of
we didn't play well, so we don't. I'm not gonna
say don't deserve to win, but the reason why we
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didn't win is we didn't play well. He's genuine he's
an no bs with these players, and I never thought
for one second that the team had quit recognizing what
an outstanding coach he is.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
So this was in reference to the fact that the Cowboys,
all of a sudden one two in a row, they
won to in a row in the division. And so there's,
you know, a little bit more optimism when it comes
to Mike McCarthy, Dak Prescott, his quarterback. I was talking
with Jorry Epstein also and had nothing but praise for
him as head coach.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
I believe in him wholeheartedly. I think he definitely deserves
a chance another another contract, and I had a chance
to coach this team amongst and and kind of I.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Guess you can say.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
More influence on his terms. Uh maybe maybe a good
way to say it, but but I wholeheartedly believe in him.
The guys who won a super Bowl, and the Jay's
attested to that, there's not many guys or coaches who
have done that, and to have one that can do
it from experience, and I know how valuable he's been
for me.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
So a lot of optimism, a lot of kind words
for Mike McCarthy, the Super Bowl champion who all of
a sudden has now become very popular amongst the owner
and the starting quarterback there in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You know what's interesting is you look at his regular
season record as the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys,
it's one hundred and seventy two wins, one hundred and
nine losses and two ties. Has him at a sixty
one percent win average. He's eleven and eleven, So he's
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at five hundred in the postseason. So if you're looking
at it purely from has he been successful as a
leader of your team void of winning a Super Bowl,
you would say largely in part, he's had a successful
run and tenure as a head coach there.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
He's also lost his starting quarterback twice for the season
in his time in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
So I think I think you got to put it
in the proper perspective. If you're looking at Mike McCarthy,
as is this the coach that is going to win
a Super Bowl as the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.
If that's if that's what you're basing this off of,
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as you know, this is the criteria of you maintaining
your job, then he's going to lose his job. I
would say, their best opportunity to have made a real
run for the Super Bowl was before this year, before
this roster that they have, So let's get that out
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of the way. But with that being said, what coach
are you bringing in that's going to be able to
conquer that code? Bill Parcells wasn't able to do it, Sewn,
Jason Jason Garrett wasn't able to do it. A couple
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other names you could throw out there, Wade Phillips. Nobody's
been able to do it. So what are we basing
What is the realistic basis of what we're judging as
success as a head coach for the Dallas Cowboys and
whatever that real answer is should dictate it. If Mike
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McCarthy has the job or not, whether he gets the
extension or not. If you're asking me, should he get
the extension?
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Why not.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
He's taking what you believe, Jerry and Son. He's taking
what you guys believe as these are the right moves
to make personnel wise and for the health of our
team and our franchise. This is what we're going to do.
These are the players we're paying, These are the players
that are going to be here now coach them. And
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win now as long as you're okay with understanding that
that man is winning basically in spite of whether he's
getting the proper players or not, which I think we
would all agree that's not You don't have the you
don't have an adequate roster to win a super Bowl.
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So the man is over five hundred, he's over sixty percent,
and his winning as the head coach of your team,
wouldn't you say that that's good enough? Keep us winning?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Well?
Speaker 1 (07:09):
At some point, we'll get to a point where we say,
you know what, maybe it's time to move on, because
it's just time to move on.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Maybe it's like.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It's almost like something running its course, Like we've won
enough with you to keep you around this long, but
we need to get somebody else that reinvigorates our fan
base on believing that we're going to win a super
Bowl moving forward. So now we got to move on
from you. I don't think that that's this offseason. While
it may happen, I still don't think that that's necessarily
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this off season because I don't think look at it
this way. I think you put the next head coach
in a bad spot as well, because you're not improving
this team over one off season, and so you're gonna
get results that are similar to the ones you're getting
right now with Mike McCarthy as the head coach.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
May be worse if I were to just present to
you with no names involved, and I just told you
like this. So there's a team who went to the
playoffs last year and coming into this year, they lost
their defensive coordinator, their offensive line got worse, they lost
their starting running back, and they basically did nothing to
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improve the roster. What were you expecting?
Speaker 3 (08:25):
And this is an all in season?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
What did like?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
What was what were you expecting was going to happen?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
And I say this to somebody who was very high
on the Cowboys coming into this season, because I thought
to my I overthought it because I looked at it
and said, they must know something that we don't know,
because nobody could figure out what the term all in meant.
When it felt like you were more all out that
that it was. You know, the old line got worse,
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the starting the running back was gone. Defensively, there was
some losses, and on top of that, you lose your
starting quarterback and your best defensive player miss time. Because
he heard his life lot of time. So you're looking
at it going, so, what was the idea here?
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Like what?
Speaker 4 (09:10):
And I just I hope Mike McCarthy gets another opportunity.
I'm skeptical, like I find it, you know, hard to
believe that we are down at this, at this end
of the road and they're just going to go in
a different direction. But I hope that he gets a chance.
And I think when you hear Dak Prescott, when you
hear Mike McCarthy talking about well, players haven't quit, and
Dak Prescott's saying in so many words, I hope he
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gets an opportunity to do it on his terms. I
think people there are like, dude, Jerry, you put him
in a crap spot.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
He's not going to get to do it on his terms.
That's the point. So now again the question becomes like
think about it. I brought up Bill Parcels. You know
what his record was with Dallas thirty four and thirty
so just over five hundred, yeah, and wins totals right,
and no longevity, didn't stay very and had no playoff wins,
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had zero playoff wins. You're talking about the Tuna. One
of the best coaches to do it in the history
of the game. I just think that you have to
be realistic in what your expectations are. And I almost
feel as though if you look at Jerry Jones's model,
it just makes sense to think you have a coach
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that can handle being criticized the way that he is
by the media, by the fan base.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
You have a coach that still is able to win games.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
And this has been a poor season for them, but
as you mentioned, they're doing a little better now. There
seems to be some improvements. But this man has posted
an over sixty percent winning percentage as your head coach.
So Jerry Jones is like, look, I got everything I
need in this coach to get us to a certain point.
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Whatever that point is, I don't know, but he'll get us.
It'll carry us two more years, three more years, four
more years. I mean, it's the same thing he did
with Jason Garrett. A lot of people thought Jason Garrett
was out of there long before he was out of there,
and a lot of that, to me, I believe is
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Jason Garrett gave you enough enough of a glimmer of
hope that there could be a chance that they could
make a super Bowl run. Mike McCarthy has historically not
as of late this season, but historically has given you hope,
a glimmer of hope that this team can win a
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Super Bowl, can compete for a Super Bowl. In fact,
coming into this season, people were saying that the Dallas
Cowboys could be competitive to go to the Super Bowl.
They said it was a lock that they went to
the NFSE, a lock that they went in n f
SEE East, and that they would be one of the
teams contending to go to the super Bowl. As long
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as Jerry Jones can keep people like you believing that
this is what it is for as long as he
can before it.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Totally runs out, like right when it gets its like
now do it?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
As long as he can get that far with Mike
Mike McCarthy, I would assume it would make sense to
keep Mike McCarthy because you do not have a roster
that can win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
So if I were to throw out some names to you,
and these are the big names that are out there,
you know, obviously Ben Johnson, the offensive coordinator for the Lions,
is going to be one of the popular candidates.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
But you know, if Jerry.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Jones is looking, and who knows, maybe he thinks the
Bears are a better job. Maybe he thinks one of
these other jobs is a better job because he's going
to be the hot commodity. But if you're Jerry Jones,
and let's say Deon Sanders doesn't come to Dallas because
Shitor is not going there and he'd rather stay at
Colorado or go elsewhere to coach with the Sun. So
let's say Dion's Let's say Belichick's out because he doesn't
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want an owner that's going to medal in everything because
he started to get that towards the end of New
England that didn't go well. And let's say Vrabels out
because somebody gives him a better deal elsewhere. Who knows,
maybe Ohio State knocks on his door and says, hey, Mike,
what do you think Ryan Day didn't hold up his
end of the bargain and the rivalry.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Of the game.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
If you're Jerry Jones and you're looking around at the
other candidates that are out there, nobody is more qualified
than Mike McCarthy. They literally and you would argue he's
more qualified than Rabel, He's more qualified than Dion Sanders.
Outside of Belichick, who else is more qualified than him?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
So just gave you Bill Parcells. That is Bill Belichick.
Bill Parcells is Bill Belichick.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
So like the idea that you're just gonna wow, we'll
just move on and we'll get some No, the reality
is this, when his quarterback is healthy and when he's
got at least somewhat of a roster where they plan
an ingredients to have success.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yes, when he.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Just doesn't win the big game, they just don't win
in the playoffs at a rapid clip. They just don't
make Super Bowl appearances. So that's what it is.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
And if you hear Jerry Jones say it, and you
hear Dak Prescott say it, and and all the players
have come out and said listen, like there's no like
like we love Mike McCarthy. Nobody's quit on him, like
nobody's saying. And I also look at it, and I
think he's got the perfect demeanor for the job, because
it's now when comments come out and Jerry Jones is
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talking about the offense in which quarterback is going to play,
when Dak went down and all this stuff, Mike McCarthy's
demeanor this entire season, I've loved because Mike McCarthy just
looks at it and says, dah whatever, did like, Look,
I'm the coach, I know more about football than you.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
He's going to make these comments. This is Dallas. I'm
used to it. Whatever.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I'm just gonna go out and coach these guys. We're
going to try and separate ourselves from the drama, and
we're gonna going to go out and try and compete.
And then you look at their schedule down the stretch
and you go, it's not impossible that they could finish
with a winning record. They're five and seven right now,
they've won two in a row in the division. They've
got Cincinnati coming up, They're at Carolina, They've got Tampa Bay,
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and then they've got Philly and Washington. If all of
a sudden, Mike McCarthy's got this team at what nine
and eight to close out the year, if they go
on a little bit of a run and get decent
quarterback play, if you were to tell me with what
he got coming into the season, Dak Prescott going down
with injury and all the other losses they've suffered from
a health standpoint, they've got no running game whatsoever. They're
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on a backup quarterback, and Mike McCarthy somehow gets this
team to finish above five hundred, don't. I mean, I
gotta be honest, man, that's a hell of a job.
Like a hell of a job new defensive coordinator. The
Mike Zimmer experience has been a little bit off. It's
just because Jerry Jones threw out the idea of well,
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we need to have this happen this year, like this
is what we're demanding. We've got to win in the postseason,
We've got to win in the playoffs. Yet he rolled
out a less than roster from a year ago and
expected better results and didn't factor in well, there could
be some injuries. I just I look at it and
I go I hope he gets an opportunity. I hope
he sticks around and gets an extension. I just don't
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know if Jerry Jones is already too far down the
road mentally with his thought process of a head coach
for next year that he thinks, yeah, I'm just gonna
make the switch, so hopefully for my how many sticks,
how many teams? Is this all right, Let's let's do this.
Saint Louis wins it in two thousand. Let's go to
two thousands. Saint Louis.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
The Rams win it in two thousand, all right, as
the Saint Louis Rams. I don't know if we should
count them as Do we count that as the same
team even as the Los Angeles Rams?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Do we do that? Yes?
Speaker 5 (16:50):
No?
Speaker 4 (16:50):
And now they're Saint Louis because then if you do that,
then the Browns have won a Super Bot when the
Ravens did.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I don't know, because the Rams are still the Rams.
The Browns aren't the Ravens. The Ravens are the Ravens.
So I mean they do honor the Saint Louis Rams
players at Rams games in LA.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
I mean when when the La Rams won a Super Bowl,
one of the like the mayors of La or somebody
like that, like the politician came out into Saint Louis
Rams Jersey.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
So there wasn't let's split let's split it here and
let's just say, okay, we'll we'll make them two different,
two different franchises. Okay, In two thousand, the Rams won,
that's one team. Baltimore won it the next year, New
England won it the year after that. That's three teams.
Then you have Tampa Bay, New England with keep it
out New England. Then Pittsburgh's a new one. Indianapolis wins one,
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all right. Then you have the Giants they get they
add onto the list seven teams, all right. Then you
have New Orleans that's a new team. Then Green Bay
jumps on the list. They're a new team. Then Seattle
jumps on the list. Denver that makes eleven, Philly that's twelve.
Kansas City. That's thirteen. Thirteen teams since two thousand. Since
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two thousand, we're in. We're in twenty what twenty twenty four,
and thirteen teams have won the Super Bowl. Thirteen teams.
There's thirty two teams in the NFL. Some of these
teams ain't winning Super Bowls. Think about it, thirteen teams
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and the reason why it's only thirteen is because they're repeating.
These teams that are winning the Super Bowls. They find ways,
even if there's a break in time, they find ways
back to the super Bowl. They're repeating thirteen and twenty
four years. To me, when you look at the league,
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there are there has to be an understanding of it's
probably not likely that we're going to win a Super Bowl,
but I want to feel as though our team is
good enough to compete for it. And then now the
rest of the marketing and the advertising and how you
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brand your organization and your franchise becomes the most important
piece of what you're doing for your business. You have
to sell hope, you have to sell excitement. If you
can't do that, then you're just a team, a franchise
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that is, they're serviceable to the fan bases that they have,
but they're not going to be you know, it's not going.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
To be at the level of what a Dallas is.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
The one thing I'll give Jerry Jones credit for is
he has consistently built the value of this Dallas Cowboys franchise.
And they have not in one of those thirteen teams
that has has won a Super Bowl since two thousand
but yet and still within that amount of time, they've
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become the most valuable franchise in the NFL. Jerry Jones
is selling his fan base, He's selling the football world hope.
So the more I think about it today, do I
look at Jerry Jones and say, when he said this
isn't all in year, did he mean that? Probably not.
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He probably looked at his roster and said, hey, we're
not gonna win the super Bowl with this group. I'm
aa sell it and I'm a believe in it, but
we're not. But we need to get as much out
of this team as we possibly can. And that might
just be Mike McCarthy who is that guy and can
continue to do that for a little bit longer until
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it's time to find that next guy. You bring in
that now we can present them as this is the
new guy that's selling hope. Yeah, that's what I think
that The whole idea of all of this is, So
does it make sense to bring Mike McCarthy back and
give him an extension? Yes, because I don't think you're
going to bring in somebody at this moment with this
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roster the way that it is, you're wasting a higher
If you hire a coach now, you're wasting a higher
because you do not have a team roster in place
where you could sell that hope of yeah, new coach,
now we're going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
It doesn't I don't.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
As much as I love Michael Parsons, Dak Prescott is
your your franchise guy. As much as much as you
look at it from an individual's perspective. You can't come
to the conclusion that a coach is going to take
this team to the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
It'd be great as if Jerry Jones decided at the
end of the year, Mike, we want to bring you back.
Here's what we're going to offer you. And macarthy was like, yeah,
I'm good. Let a man, I've had enough. We're all
good here. I got my ring. You can go figure
yours out in the next another thirty years. I'm good,
you know, I got mine figured out. It is Two
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Speaker 3 (22:36):
It's a brutal song.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Hey for the people listening on the podcast, that are
the lucky ones not having to hear this what song
is this is this Conway Twitty.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
It just has happy holidays. I don't have an artist christ.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I just wonder how many baby mamas does does good old.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Saint Nick have? How many babies were made in this?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I mean, think about the fact that that we welcome
him down the chimney into our home just because he's
bringing you something, for nothing more than the fact that,
you know what, he's not here to rob me. He's
here to drop some some stuff off and eat my cookies.
There you go, he was and eat mommy's cookies.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
He was.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
He was door dasher, smashing cookies, eating cookies, cookies. That's
to me, that's the coat. Why did you always have
to leave cookies and milk for Santa Claus? And why
did Santa only eat part of the cookie because that's
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not the cookie he was going for. Well, he was
going for different cookies. He's probably got like a good
zillion baby mamas. That's why there's so many dudes that
look like Saint Nick man Santa Claus.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I could never be Santa Claus because if I were
to have a plate of cookies with a glass of milk,
I wouldn't get up the chimney without having to change
my socks. That would run right through me like I
had stolen something. So yeah, I could never be Santa Claus.
But may we appreciate him he's he's working hard right now,
just saying he gets ready. Next time you look at
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your mom, be like mom, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
What what? What? What was the cookies? What was the
cookies all about? You know?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Why was it all about eating mommy's cookies? I hear
you him downstairs, yep, with the cookies. Good point, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
It is two two pros and a cup of joe.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with
you by the way, coming up and say it yeah,
coming up in about fifteen minutes from now, we are
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The good, the bad, and the ugly. That'll be yours
here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
We're the ugly for Q.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I think Lee's got the ugly. Oh, if I'm not
a mistake. He take care of the ugly.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
You know, why don't we a little I guess an
appetizer of the ugly. You know another ugly story.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
In the NFL, the.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Circus that we've referred to in Chicago, that is the Bears.
We've got more details about sort of what went wrong
with the Bears and Matt Eberflus went wrong. So one
of the reports that came out, Jay Glazer was had
reported on this. The Athletic had reported on this. But
apparently after the Thanksgiving Day fiasco at the end of
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the game, Matt Eberflus tried talking with the team and
try and give him at so Jalen Johnson there, you know,
he's probably their their best defender who they just give
a big contract to in the off season, he had
heard enough and then reportedly just went off on Matt Ebraflus.
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Eberflus left the room, and Jalen Johnson just kind of unloaded.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Well.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
He was on with Spiegel and Holmes on The Score
in Chicago this week and he explained his side of
the story.
Speaker 7 (26:03):
The thing for me just expressing that frustration and again,
it's never it hasn't been a lack of talent, mean,
especially this year. It's not a lack of talent. It's
not it's not any of those things where I can
just say, well, we just have ad a bad team,
a bad roster. It's just it's just little thing. It's
just certain situations, a certain way of losing that really
really hurts. And it got to a point for me
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where I was fed up.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
So so accurate.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
That's the sentiment of probably if you're aware, that's the
sentiment of a lot of players, is what he just said.
They aren't a lack of talent team. They have the talent.
They have a back, they have receivers, they have a line,
they have a d line, they have a defense. You know,
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I mean they're missing a safety right now, you know,
but they do have a defense. They have a team,
and they have a franchise quarterback that's a baby. You
have everything that you need. What's the problem. Why does
this team not perform at a higher level?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Why is it?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I just always say listen and these types of environments,
what's being entertained and what's the focus and does it
stay on that is what's going to ultimately be the
biggest reasons as to why the outfit performs well or not.
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If Eberflus is worrying about what's going on and what
he's feeling from up top, and this is something that
again this can be you know, you can apply it
to Mike McCarthy as well. He seemingly has handled what
comes from on top. He's handled it decently well enough
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where he maintains being in pocket and is still able
to keep the players in pocketed with him. Eberflus has
not been able to manage it the same exact way,
and sometimes there's a compromise. You got to say, all right,
I'm willing to do and appease what's taking place above me,
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and that's more of my focus, and that's where my
attention goes, because that's why I have a job. And
now I'm trying to appease this while try to manage
this down here, manage the players, and manage my staff,
and manage what we're doing on the field. And that
product suffers because you're not giving your full energy and
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your full attention and you don't have that full buy
in and that full support from the people that you're
entertaining and taking your focus away from what you're supposed
to be doing with your team. And so now, since
you've made that as your decision, do you not think
that the players don't see that? Do you not think
that the players don't since that realize it like.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
If you just go back and look at some of
the moves in retrospect. And we've kind of touched on
this a little bit in real time, but you know,
in the midst of an NFL season, there's all these
other storylines going on. There's just weird things that have happened,
and it felt like, look, you remember the Bears defensive coordinator,
Like all of a sudden, the FBI raided him, and
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it's like, oh, yeah, so we're moving on from him,
So what happened with that? Like you just never okay,
like that, okay, so that's normal behavior. And have the
FBI raid the facility or the home of your defensive
coordinator and we just never heard the ending of that.
We didn't we don't know what happened, we don't know
how it played out. It's just okay, that's normal behavior,
I guess. And then all the coordinators that have been
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blown out, all the firings there on the staff, and
then you start to look at the close losses, like
the way Jalen Johnson and other guys in Chicago that
are in the locker room, yes, and they were like,
hold on a second, we just got the numbers for
Thanksgiving that came out. It's the most watched early window
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Thanksgiving game in the history of Thanksgiving. Football games, which
have been around for decades that we've all grown up with.
They just got clowned because they're head coach didn't realize
or froze in the moment and thought one, yeah, we
should have probably used a time out, time out. They
could have won a game, like they battled to get
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back in the game. And it's another awful loss.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
But it's not.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
It's not the loss, it's it's like what he said,
it's how we're losing meaning and my interpretation if we're
together in this which when I say, because I say
culture all the time, culture culture, culture. If you want
to understand what I mean by saying culture, this is
what I mean. The top meaning ownership, the people who
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own the team, they want to see the team win,
and their energy, their approach to being professional, being structured,
being supportive is inline linkstep lockstep with every single employee
in that company, down to the person who watches the
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socks to the person who puts the lines on the field.
If the owner of your team doesn't know the name
of the janitor, if the owner of the team doesn't
know the name of the film room people, or the
people in the training room or in the equipment room,
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or the groundskeepers. If the owner of the team doesn't
know those names, chances are that's a bad culture team.
If the people working there vps and gms and this,
that and the other, if they don't follow, shoot, strong
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chance that's a dysfunctional, disconnected organization. When you see the
connection between the ownership and upper management.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
With the media, with the salespeople, with the players.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
With the fans, it always seems to find a way
to be positive and to go in the right direction.
Doesn't necessarily mean it leads to a Super Bowl, but
it certainly is a more functional, more highly functioning situation
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than the other one. And the player that has that
moment that we're talking about right now. Every once in
a while, you just get a player that gets to
the point where it's like, man, f this man, like,
I'm gonna say exactly how I feel because I'm watching
what's going on. I'm seeing what's going on, and what
you're saying to us is bull crap. And that's why
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Eberflus probably got caught up into what you're saying is
like they got Like we had a couple times with
coaches where coaches say the same they ain't nobody's fault,
you know, Hey, we're all pros there, like, let's weak up.
Not no, it's somebody's fault. There is something that's wrong,
something neat, Like, let's take accountability and let's try to
figure out what we need to do. Stop saying the
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same as to us. Stop trying to make it the
same exact thing.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Or or worse.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Always give a new excuse, and it better not be
just purely pointing at us, like you got some nerve
coming up in here, saying because we didn't want to
lose the locker room, Tell them, dudes, what they didn't
do when all along they're looking at what's going on around.
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It's like being in a broken marriage or a broken home, right,
everybody looks at it from the outside. Look at how
nice the house is. Oh, look there, they're such a
nice family. Da da da Yeah. Ask them why he
ended up getting you know, they got divorced, or asked they.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Hauling him off in a squad car back the curtain.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Talk to those kids, they'll tell you it's the same
exact thing in football or in sports. What happens in house.
You know what's going on in house. People aren't oblivious.
You know, if it's a bad culture, you know what
it is. So when you have these moments, it is
pilling back the curtain of in essence and and you
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know what, sometimes it's not pretty.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Yeah, that's why when you know, there was some speculation like, oh, well,
the timing of the firing, could he have you know,
could he have said something in his Friday zoom press
conference that maybe led to them saying no, we got
to move on. Say no, no, no, this had been
going on for a while. That had nothing to do
with it. They just butchered the firing of it like
they normally butcher all the hirings.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
And now players knew, yes, like and none of the
players knew he was on his way out.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
You've never you haven't heard one player like you know
so reportedly And I know we got to get to break.
But when Shane Waldron, the offensive coordinator, was let go
by the Bears, Caleb Williams stood up in front of
the team and apologized to the team because he felt responsible,
partly responsible for Shane Waldron getting fired and the team.
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I guess responded really well to that. They said he
didn't have to do that. He's a rookie. He shouldn't
be standing up and having to apologize, because I think
the team and the veterans there were like, dude, it's not.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
You, not you.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Like the accountability starts up like you're a rookie and
you have more awareness of the situation than the head
coach does.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
That's why the on the Washington Commanders Hail Mary game
that they lost. If you look at the sideline right
before the hail Mary play, Matt Eberflus is on the field.
Caleb Williams had to pull him off the field so
they didn't get a penalty. And they even asked him
about afterwards, like, so what was your thought in that?
He's Oh, I just didn't want us to give them
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any more yards than we already have to the play
before when ibra Flus decided to play a soft defense
and they picked up that. You know twelve plus, like,
your rookie quarterback has a better understanding for the room
and what's going on there than the head coach does.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
And that's the problem, and that's why he's.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Out success and skill will never outperform dy function.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
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Speaker 8 (37:57):
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with the good news, and LeVar, you let us know
it was good this week.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Well, it's what's good today and the next three days.
Today opens the early signing period for high school athletes
that are going to choose the colleges that they're going
to go to. Man Yeah, and so it's an exciting
day for us because at seven a m our time,
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I think seven thirty is when he officially will sign.
But yeah, Man Man signs will be signing today and
enrolling early into the school that he's going to choose
and sign up with today. So pretty exciting, super super
cool and super good. Alright, I'm talking about that, and
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congrats to all of the other of course, all of
the the you know, Prep Prep stars and players that
are signing today.
Speaker 8 (38:50):
Helly, congrats. That is super good. But you can't have
good without the bad. Jonas what was bad this week.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
There's a lot of Christmas movies that are out that
I've just started to rethink that just aren't.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Good at all, like at all, and you know, well
like National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation like great in real time.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
You kind of go back and watch it, you go,
you know, not as funny as I thought it was.
The Christmas Chronicles with Kurt Russell. That's a Netflix one.
It's good and maybe just because my son continues to
watch that one.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Over and over and over again.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Yeah, not for me though, And since he's not given
out the bad this week, I'm gonna go with that. Like,
I think we could do better with some of these
holiday movies and the selection hasn't been all that hot
over the past couple of years, and.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
From bad to worse.
Speaker 8 (39:39):
We talked about the Bears watching that wins possible upsets
of the Lions throwing there, the Raiders watching that game
versus the Chiefs on Black Friday primetime games where the
worst team could have upset the best in the conference, ugly, ugly,
ugly over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Of course, of course he picked the game on Black Friday.
Got a shock, what a stunner.
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it was a foregone conclusion. People have basically written the
obituary of Mike McCarthy, the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys,
that was going to be a rap on his time
in Dallas. He was offered no contract after this year,
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and so it was, Hey, we're just going to play
this thing out. There was even some people kind of
kicking around the idea of all those bad home losses,
are they potentially going to move on from Mike McCarthy
in season? And Jerry Jones kind of started throwing this
out there, you know, a couple of weeks ago, about
the potential of it's not the craziest idea in the world,
(01:49):
and Mike McCarthy will get an extension afterwards. It's like, wait, what,
Like this is a bit of a plot twist. Jerry
Jones on his weekly radio hit one of two on
the Fan in Dallas was talking with Sean and RJ
and had this to say about.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Mike quality of character, quality of football character. He steady
is a rock, has never wavered from his matra of
we didn't play well, so we don't. I'm not gonna
say don't deserve to win, but the reason why we
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didn't win is we didn't play well. He's genuine he's
an no bs with these players, and I never thought
for one second that the team had quit recognizing what
an outstanding coach he is.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
So this was in reference to the fact that the Cowboys,
all of a sudden one two in a row, they
won to in a row in the division. And so there's,
you know, a little bit more optimism when it comes
to Mike McCarthy, Dak Prescott, his quarterback. I was talking
with Jorry Epstein also and had nothing but praise for
him as head coach.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
I believe in him wholeheartedly. I think he definitely deserves
a chance another another contract, and I had a chance
to coach this team amongst and and kind of I.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Guess you can say.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
More influence on his terms. Uh maybe maybe a good
way to say it, but but I wholeheartedly believe in him.
The guys who won a super Bowl, and the Jay's
attested to that, there's not many guys or coaches who
have done that, and to have one that can do
it from experience, and I know how valuable he's been
for me.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
So a lot of optimism, a lot of kind words
for Mike McCarthy, the Super Bowl champion who all of
a sudden has now become very popular amongst the owner
and the starting quarterback there in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You know what's interesting is you look at his regular
season record as the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys,
it's one hundred and seventy two wins, one hundred and
nine losses and two ties. Has him at a sixty
one percent win average. He's eleven and eleven, So he's
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at five hundred in the postseason. So if you're looking
at it purely from has he been successful as a
leader of your team void of winning a Super Bowl,
you would say largely in part, he's had a successful
run and tenure as a head coach there.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
He's also lost his starting quarterback twice for the season
in his time in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
So I think I think you got to put it
in the proper perspective. If you're looking at Mike McCarthy,
as is this the coach that is going to win
a Super Bowl as the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.
If that's if that's what you're basing this off of,
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as you know, this is the criteria of you maintaining
your job, then he's going to lose his job. I
would say, their best opportunity to have made a real
run for the Super Bowl was before this year, before
this roster that they have, So let's get that out
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of the way. But with that being said, what coach
are you bringing in that's going to be able to
conquer that code? Bill Parcells wasn't able to do it, Sewn,
Jason Jason Garrett wasn't able to do it. A couple
(05:38):
other names you could throw out there, Wade Phillips. Nobody's
been able to do it. So what are we basing
What is the realistic basis of what we're judging as
success as a head coach for the Dallas Cowboys and
whatever that real answer is should dictate it. If Mike
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McCarthy has the job or not, whether he gets the
extension or not. If you're asking me, should he get
the extension?
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Why not.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
He's taking what you believe, Jerry and Son. He's taking
what you guys believe as these are the right moves
to make personnel wise and for the health of our
team and our franchise. This is what we're going to do.
These are the players we're paying, These are the players
that are going to be here now coach them. And
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win now as long as you're okay with understanding that
that man is winning basically in spite of whether he's
getting the proper players or not, which I think we
would all agree that's not You don't have the you
don't have an adequate roster to win a super Bowl.
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So the man is over five hundred, he's over sixty percent,
and his winning as the head coach of your team,
wouldn't you say that that's good enough? Keep us winning?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Well?
Speaker 1 (07:09):
At some point, we'll get to a point where we say,
you know what, maybe it's time to move on, because
it's just time to move on.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Maybe it's like.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It's almost like something running its course, Like we've won
enough with you to keep you around this long, but
we need to get somebody else that reinvigorates our fan
base on believing that we're going to win a super
Bowl moving forward. So now we got to move on
from you. I don't think that that's this offseason. While
it may happen, I still don't think that that's necessarily
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this off season because I don't think look at it
this way. I think you put the next head coach
in a bad spot as well, because you're not improving
this team over one off season, and so you're gonna
get results that are similar to the ones you're getting
right now with Mike McCarthy as the head coach.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
May be worse if I were to just present to
you with no names involved, and I just told you
like this. So there's a team who went to the
playoffs last year and coming into this year, they lost
their defensive coordinator, their offensive line got worse, they lost
their starting running back, and they basically did nothing to
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improve the roster. What were you expecting?
Speaker 3 (08:25):
And this is an all in season?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
What did like?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
What was what were you expecting was going to happen?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
And I say this to somebody who was very high
on the Cowboys coming into this season, because I thought
to my I overthought it because I looked at it
and said, they must know something that we don't know,
because nobody could figure out what the term all in meant.
When it felt like you were more all out that
that it was. You know, the old line got worse,
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the starting the running back was gone. Defensively, there was
some losses, and on top of that, you lose your
starting quarterback and your best defensive player miss time. Because
he heard his life lot of time. So you're looking
at it going, so, what was the idea here?
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Like what?
Speaker 4 (09:10):
And I just I hope Mike McCarthy gets another opportunity.
I'm skeptical, like I find it, you know, hard to
believe that we are down at this, at this end
of the road and they're just going to go in
a different direction. But I hope that he gets a chance.
And I think when you hear Dak Prescott, when you
hear Mike McCarthy talking about well, players haven't quit, and
Dak Prescott's saying in so many words, I hope he
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gets an opportunity to do it on his terms. I
think people there are like, dude, Jerry, you put him
in a crap spot.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
He's not going to get to do it on his terms.
That's the point. So now again the question becomes like
think about it. I brought up Bill Parcels. You know
what his record was with Dallas thirty four and thirty
so just over five hundred, yeah, and wins totals right,
and no longevity, didn't stay very and had no playoff wins,
(10:03):
had zero playoff wins. You're talking about the Tuna. One
of the best coaches to do it in the history
of the game. I just think that you have to
be realistic in what your expectations are. And I almost
feel as though if you look at Jerry Jones's model,
it just makes sense to think you have a coach
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that can handle being criticized the way that he is
by the media, by the fan base.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
You have a coach that still is able to win games.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
And this has been a poor season for them, but
as you mentioned, they're doing a little better now. There
seems to be some improvements. But this man has posted
an over sixty percent winning percentage as your head coach.
So Jerry Jones is like, look, I got everything I
need in this coach to get us to a certain point.
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Whatever that point is, I don't know, but he'll get us.
It'll carry us two more years, three more years, four
more years. I mean, it's the same thing he did
with Jason Garrett. A lot of people thought Jason Garrett
was out of there long before he was out of there,
and a lot of that, to me, I believe is
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Jason Garrett gave you enough enough of a glimmer of
hope that there could be a chance that they could
make a super Bowl run. Mike McCarthy has historically not
as of late this season, but historically has given you hope,
a glimmer of hope that this team can win a
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Super Bowl, can compete for a Super Bowl. In fact,
coming into this season, people were saying that the Dallas
Cowboys could be competitive to go to the Super Bowl.
They said it was a lock that they went to
the NFSE, a lock that they went in n f
SEE East, and that they would be one of the
teams contending to go to the super Bowl. As long
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as Jerry Jones can keep people like you believing that
this is what it is for as long as he
can before it.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Totally runs out, like right when it gets its like
now do it?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
As long as he can get that far with Mike
Mike McCarthy, I would assume it would make sense to
keep Mike McCarthy because you do not have a roster
that can win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
So if I were to throw out some names to you,
and these are the big names that are out there,
you know, obviously Ben Johnson, the offensive coordinator for the Lions,
is going to be one of the popular candidates.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
But you know, if Jerry.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Jones is looking, and who knows, maybe he thinks the
Bears are a better job. Maybe he thinks one of
these other jobs is a better job because he's going
to be the hot commodity. But if you're Jerry Jones,
and let's say Deon Sanders doesn't come to Dallas because
Shitor is not going there and he'd rather stay at
Colorado or go elsewhere to coach with the Sun. So
let's say Dion's Let's say Belichick's out because he doesn't
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want an owner that's going to medal in everything because
he started to get that towards the end of New
England that didn't go well. And let's say Vrabels out
because somebody gives him a better deal elsewhere. Who knows,
maybe Ohio State knocks on his door and says, hey, Mike,
what do you think Ryan Day didn't hold up his
end of the bargain and the rivalry.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Of the game.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
If you're Jerry Jones and you're looking around at the
other candidates that are out there, nobody is more qualified
than Mike McCarthy. They literally and you would argue he's
more qualified than Rabel, He's more qualified than Dion Sanders.
Outside of Belichick, who else is more qualified than him?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
So just gave you Bill Parcells. That is Bill Belichick.
Bill Parcells is Bill Belichick.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
So like the idea that you're just gonna wow, we'll
just move on and we'll get some No, the reality
is this, when his quarterback is healthy and when he's
got at least somewhat of a roster where they plan
an ingredients to have success.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yes, when he.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Just doesn't win the big game, they just don't win
in the playoffs at a rapid clip. They just don't
make Super Bowl appearances. So that's what it is.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
And if you hear Jerry Jones say it, and you
hear Dak Prescott say it, and and all the players
have come out and said listen, like there's no like
like we love Mike McCarthy. Nobody's quit on him, like
nobody's saying. And I also look at it, and I
think he's got the perfect demeanor for the job, because
it's now when comments come out and Jerry Jones is
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talking about the offense in which quarterback is going to play,
when Dak went down and all this stuff, Mike McCarthy's
demeanor this entire season, I've loved because Mike McCarthy just
looks at it and says, dah whatever, did like, Look,
I'm the coach, I know more about football than you.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
He's going to make these comments. This is Dallas. I'm
used to it. Whatever.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I'm just gonna go out and coach these guys. We're
going to try and separate ourselves from the drama, and
we're gonna going to go out and try and compete.
And then you look at their schedule down the stretch
and you go, it's not impossible that they could finish
with a winning record. They're five and seven right now,
they've won two in a row in the division. They've
got Cincinnati coming up, They're at Carolina, They've got Tampa Bay,
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and then they've got Philly and Washington. If all of
a sudden, Mike McCarthy's got this team at what nine
and eight to close out the year, if they go
on a little bit of a run and get decent
quarterback play, if you were to tell me with what
he got coming into the season, Dak Prescott going down
with injury and all the other losses they've suffered from
a health standpoint, they've got no running game whatsoever. They're
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on a backup quarterback, and Mike McCarthy somehow gets this
team to finish above five hundred, don't. I mean, I
gotta be honest, man, that's a hell of a job.
Like a hell of a job new defensive coordinator. The
Mike Zimmer experience has been a little bit off. It's
just because Jerry Jones threw out the idea of well,
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we need to have this happen this year, like this
is what we're demanding. We've got to win in the postseason,
We've got to win in the playoffs. Yet he rolled
out a less than roster from a year ago and
expected better results and didn't factor in well, there could
be some injuries. I just I look at it and
I go I hope he gets an opportunity. I hope
he sticks around and gets an extension. I just don't
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know if Jerry Jones is already too far down the
road mentally with his thought process of a head coach
for next year that he thinks, yeah, I'm just gonna
make the switch, so hopefully for my how many sticks,
how many teams? Is this all right, Let's let's do this.
Saint Louis wins it in two thousand. Let's go to
two thousands. Saint Louis.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
The Rams win it in two thousand, all right, as
the Saint Louis Rams. I don't know if we should
count them as Do we count that as the same
team even as the Los Angeles Rams?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Do we do that? Yes?
Speaker 5 (16:50):
No?
Speaker 4 (16:50):
And now they're Saint Louis because then if you do that,
then the Browns have won a Super Bot when the
Ravens did.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I don't know, because the Rams are still the Rams.
The Browns aren't the Ravens. The Ravens are the Ravens.
So I mean they do honor the Saint Louis Rams
players at Rams games in LA.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
I mean when when the La Rams won a Super Bowl,
one of the like the mayors of La or somebody
like that, like the politician came out into Saint Louis
Rams Jersey.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
So there wasn't let's split let's split it here and
let's just say, okay, we'll we'll make them two different,
two different franchises. Okay, In two thousand, the Rams won,
that's one team. Baltimore won it the next year, New
England won it the year after that. That's three teams.
Then you have Tampa Bay, New England with keep it
out New England. Then Pittsburgh's a new one. Indianapolis wins one,
(17:41):
all right. Then you have the Giants they get they
add onto the list seven teams, all right. Then you
have New Orleans that's a new team. Then Green Bay
jumps on the list. They're a new team. Then Seattle
jumps on the list. Denver that makes eleven, Philly that's twelve.
Kansas City. That's thirteen. Thirteen teams since two thousand. Since
(18:07):
two thousand, we're in. We're in twenty what twenty twenty four,
and thirteen teams have won the Super Bowl. Thirteen teams.
There's thirty two teams in the NFL. Some of these
teams ain't winning Super Bowls. Think about it, thirteen teams
(18:32):
and the reason why it's only thirteen is because they're repeating.
These teams that are winning the Super Bowls. They find ways,
even if there's a break in time, they find ways
back to the super Bowl. They're repeating thirteen and twenty
four years. To me, when you look at the league,
(18:54):
there are there has to be an understanding of it's
probably not likely that we're going to win a Super Bowl,
but I want to feel as though our team is
good enough to compete for it. And then now the
rest of the marketing and the advertising and how you
(19:17):
brand your organization and your franchise becomes the most important
piece of what you're doing for your business. You have
to sell hope, you have to sell excitement. If you
can't do that, then you're just a team, a franchise
(19:37):
that is, they're serviceable to the fan bases that they have,
but they're not going to be you know, it's not going.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
To be at the level of what a Dallas is.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
The one thing I'll give Jerry Jones credit for is
he has consistently built the value of this Dallas Cowboys franchise.
And they have not in one of those thirteen teams
that has has won a Super Bowl since two thousand
but yet and still within that amount of time, they've
(20:09):
become the most valuable franchise in the NFL. Jerry Jones
is selling his fan base, He's selling the football world hope.
So the more I think about it today, do I
look at Jerry Jones and say, when he said this
isn't all in year, did he mean that? Probably not.
(20:33):
He probably looked at his roster and said, hey, we're
not gonna win the super Bowl with this group. I'm
aa sell it and I'm a believe in it, but
we're not. But we need to get as much out
of this team as we possibly can. And that might
just be Mike McCarthy who is that guy and can
continue to do that for a little bit longer until
(20:54):
it's time to find that next guy. You bring in
that now we can present them as this is the
new guy that's selling hope. Yeah, that's what I think
that The whole idea of all of this is, So
does it make sense to bring Mike McCarthy back and
give him an extension? Yes, because I don't think you're
going to bring in somebody at this moment with this
(21:14):
roster the way that it is, you're wasting a higher
If you hire a coach now, you're wasting a higher
because you do not have a team roster in place
where you could sell that hope of yeah, new coach,
now we're going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
It doesn't I don't.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
As much as I love Michael Parsons, Dak Prescott is
your your franchise guy. As much as much as you
look at it from an individual's perspective. You can't come
to the conclusion that a coach is going to take
this team to the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
It'd be great as if Jerry Jones decided at the
end of the year, Mike, we want to bring you back.
Here's what we're going to offer you. And macarthy was like, yeah,
I'm good. Let a man, I've had enough. We're all
good here. I got my ring. You can go figure
yours out in the next another thirty years. I'm good,
you know, I got mine figured out. It is Two
Pros and a Cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington,
(22:09):
Jonas Knox with you coming up next here though, We're
going to take you inside a little behind the scenes
of some dysfunction in the NFS function.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
That's yours next here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 3 (22:36):
It's a brutal song.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Hey for the people listening on the podcast, that are
the lucky ones not having to hear this what song
is this is this Conway Twitty.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
It just has happy holidays. I don't have an artist christ.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I just wonder how many baby mamas does does good old.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Saint Nick have? How many babies were made in this?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I mean, think about the fact that that we welcome
him down the chimney into our home just because he's
bringing you something, for nothing more than the fact that,
you know what, he's not here to rob me. He's
here to drop some some stuff off and eat my cookies.
There you go, he was and eat mommy's cookies.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
He was.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
He was door dasher, smashing cookies, eating cookies, cookies. That's
to me, that's the coat. Why did you always have
to leave cookies and milk for Santa Claus? And why
did Santa only eat part of the cookie because that's
(23:42):
not the cookie he was going for. Well, he was
going for different cookies. He's probably got like a good
zillion baby mamas. That's why there's so many dudes that
look like Saint Nick man Santa Claus.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I could never be Santa Claus because if I were
to have a plate of cookies with a glass of milk,
I wouldn't get up the chimney without having to change
my socks. That would run right through me like I
had stolen something. So yeah, I could never be Santa Claus.
But may we appreciate him he's he's working hard right now,
just saying he gets ready. Next time you look at
(24:16):
your mom, be like mom, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
What what? What? What was the cookies? What was the
cookies all about? You know?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Why was it all about eating mommy's cookies? I hear
you him downstairs, yep, with the cookies. Good point, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
It is two two pros and a cup of joe.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with
you by the way, coming up and say it yeah,
coming up in about fifteen minutes from now, we are
going to hear and have a conversation about our midweek awards.
The good, the bad, and the ugly. That'll be yours
here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
We're the ugly for Q.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I think Lee's got the ugly. Oh, if I'm not
a mistake. He take care of the ugly.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
You know, why don't we a little I guess an
appetizer of the ugly. You know another ugly story.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
In the NFL, the.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Circus that we've referred to in Chicago, that is the Bears.
We've got more details about sort of what went wrong
with the Bears and Matt Eberflus went wrong. So one
of the reports that came out, Jay Glazer was had
reported on this. The Athletic had reported on this. But
apparently after the Thanksgiving Day fiasco at the end of
(25:30):
the game, Matt Eberflus tried talking with the team and
try and give him at so Jalen Johnson there, you know,
he's probably their their best defender who they just give
a big contract to in the off season, he had
heard enough and then reportedly just went off on Matt Ebraflus.
(25:52):
Eberflus left the room, and Jalen Johnson just kind of unloaded.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Well.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
He was on with Spiegel and Holmes on The Score
in Chicago this week and he explained his side of
the story.
Speaker 7 (26:03):
The thing for me just expressing that frustration and again,
it's never it hasn't been a lack of talent, mean,
especially this year. It's not a lack of talent. It's
not it's not any of those things where I can
just say, well, we just have ad a bad team,
a bad roster. It's just it's just little thing. It's
just certain situations, a certain way of losing that really
really hurts. And it got to a point for me
(26:24):
where I was fed up.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
So so accurate.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
That's the sentiment of probably if you're aware, that's the
sentiment of a lot of players, is what he just said.
They aren't a lack of talent team. They have the talent.
They have a back, they have receivers, they have a line,
they have a d line, they have a defense. You know,
(26:48):
I mean they're missing a safety right now, you know,
but they do have a defense. They have a team,
and they have a franchise quarterback that's a baby. You
have everything that you need. What's the problem. Why does
this team not perform at a higher level?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Why is it?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I just always say listen and these types of environments,
what's being entertained and what's the focus and does it
stay on that is what's going to ultimately be the
biggest reasons as to why the outfit performs well or not.
(27:32):
If Eberflus is worrying about what's going on and what
he's feeling from up top, and this is something that
again this can be you know, you can apply it
to Mike McCarthy as well. He seemingly has handled what
comes from on top. He's handled it decently well enough
(27:53):
where he maintains being in pocket and is still able
to keep the players in pocketed with him. Eberflus has
not been able to manage it the same exact way,
and sometimes there's a compromise. You got to say, all right,
I'm willing to do and appease what's taking place above me,
(28:16):
and that's more of my focus, and that's where my
attention goes, because that's why I have a job. And
now I'm trying to appease this while try to manage
this down here, manage the players, and manage my staff,
and manage what we're doing on the field. And that
product suffers because you're not giving your full energy and
(28:38):
your full attention and you don't have that full buy
in and that full support from the people that you're
entertaining and taking your focus away from what you're supposed
to be doing with your team. And so now, since
you've made that as your decision, do you not think
that the players don't see that? Do you not think
that the players don't since that realize it like.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
If you just go back and look at some of
the moves in retrospect. And we've kind of touched on
this a little bit in real time, but you know,
in the midst of an NFL season, there's all these
other storylines going on. There's just weird things that have happened,
and it felt like, look, you remember the Bears defensive coordinator,
Like all of a sudden, the FBI raided him, and
(29:22):
it's like, oh, yeah, so we're moving on from him,
So what happened with that? Like you just never okay,
like that, okay, so that's normal behavior. And have the
FBI raid the facility or the home of your defensive
coordinator and we just never heard the ending of that.
We didn't we don't know what happened, we don't know
how it played out. It's just okay, that's normal behavior,
I guess. And then all the coordinators that have been
(29:45):
blown out, all the firings there on the staff, and
then you start to look at the close losses, like
the way Jalen Johnson and other guys in Chicago that
are in the locker room, yes, and they were like,
hold on a second, we just got the numbers for
Thanksgiving that came out. It's the most watched early window
(30:06):
Thanksgiving game in the history of Thanksgiving. Football games, which
have been around for decades that we've all grown up with.
They just got clowned because they're head coach didn't realize
or froze in the moment and thought one, yeah, we
should have probably used a time out, time out. They
could have won a game, like they battled to get
(30:27):
back in the game. And it's another awful loss.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
But it's not.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
It's not the loss, it's it's like what he said,
it's how we're losing meaning and my interpretation if we're
together in this which when I say, because I say
culture all the time, culture culture, culture. If you want
to understand what I mean by saying culture, this is
what I mean. The top meaning ownership, the people who
(30:55):
own the team, they want to see the team win,
and their energy, their approach to being professional, being structured,
being supportive is inline linkstep lockstep with every single employee
in that company, down to the person who watches the
(31:18):
socks to the person who puts the lines on the field.
If the owner of your team doesn't know the name
of the janitor, if the owner of the team doesn't
know the name of the film room people, or the
people in the training room or in the equipment room,
(31:41):
or the groundskeepers. If the owner of the team doesn't
know those names, chances are that's a bad culture team.
If the people working there vps and gms and this,
that and the other, if they don't follow, shoot, strong
(32:02):
chance that's a dysfunctional, disconnected organization. When you see the
connection between the ownership and upper management.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
With the media, with the salespeople, with the players.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
With the fans, it always seems to find a way
to be positive and to go in the right direction.
Doesn't necessarily mean it leads to a Super Bowl, but
it certainly is a more functional, more highly functioning situation
(32:37):
than the other one. And the player that has that
moment that we're talking about right now. Every once in
a while, you just get a player that gets to
the point where it's like, man, f this man, like,
I'm gonna say exactly how I feel because I'm watching
what's going on. I'm seeing what's going on, and what
you're saying to us is bull crap. And that's why
(32:59):
Eberflus probably got caught up into what you're saying is
like they got Like we had a couple times with
coaches where coaches say the same they ain't nobody's fault,
you know, Hey, we're all pros there, like, let's weak up.
Not no, it's somebody's fault. There is something that's wrong,
something neat, Like, let's take accountability and let's try to
figure out what we need to do. Stop saying the
(33:21):
same as to us. Stop trying to make it the
same exact thing.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Or or worse.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Always give a new excuse, and it better not be
just purely pointing at us, like you got some nerve
coming up in here, saying because we didn't want to
lose the locker room, Tell them, dudes, what they didn't
do when all along they're looking at what's going on around.
(33:50):
It's like being in a broken marriage or a broken home, right,
everybody looks at it from the outside. Look at how
nice the house is. Oh, look there, they're such a
nice family. Da da da Yeah. Ask them why he
ended up getting you know, they got divorced, or asked they.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Hauling him off in a squad car back the curtain.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Talk to those kids, they'll tell you it's the same
exact thing in football or in sports. What happens in house.
You know what's going on in house. People aren't oblivious.
You know, if it's a bad culture, you know what
it is. So when you have these moments, it is
pilling back the curtain of in essence and and you
(34:28):
know what, sometimes it's not pretty.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Yeah, that's why when you know, there was some speculation like, oh, well,
the timing of the firing, could he have you know,
could he have said something in his Friday zoom press
conference that maybe led to them saying no, we got
to move on. Say no, no, no, this had been
going on for a while. That had nothing to do
with it. They just butchered the firing of it like
they normally butcher all the hirings.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
And now players knew, yes, like and none of the
players knew he was on his way out.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
You've never you haven't heard one player like you know
so reportedly And I know we got to get to break.
But when Shane Waldron, the offensive coordinator, was let go
by the Bears, Caleb Williams stood up in front of
the team and apologized to the team because he felt responsible,
partly responsible for Shane Waldron getting fired and the team.
(35:16):
I guess responded really well to that. They said he
didn't have to do that. He's a rookie. He shouldn't
be standing up and having to apologize, because I think
the team and the veterans there were like, dude, it's not.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
You, not you.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Like the accountability starts up like you're a rookie and
you have more awareness of the situation than the head
coach does.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
That's why the on the Washington Commanders Hail Mary game
that they lost. If you look at the sideline right
before the hail Mary play, Matt Eberflus is on the field.
Caleb Williams had to pull him off the field so
they didn't get a penalty. And they even asked him
about afterwards, like, so what was your thought in that?
He's Oh, I just didn't want us to give them
(35:57):
any more yards than we already have to the play
before when ibra Flus decided to play a soft defense
and they picked up that. You know twelve plus, like,
your rookie quarterback has a better understanding for the room
and what's going on there than the head coach does.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
And that's the problem, and that's why he's.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Out success and skill will never outperform dy function.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yeah, Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here, coming up next day,
Wednesday tradition, the good, the bad, and the ugly right
here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 6 (36:43):
Hey, what of le LeVar?
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I'm mad that I know the song. That's That's where
I'm mad at.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Who sings this? Roberto?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
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Speaker 1 (37:04):
I mean coming up appropriate for anybody, but I mean
never min all right, Yeah, I'm gonna stop there.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Uh So, coming up top of next hour, we are
gonna hear from the old p Petros Popadakas will stop by.
It is a Wednesday tradition here on the show, so
we'll talk to Petros here again a little over ten
minutes from now. A reminder, though, before we get to
our midweek awards. Shortly after the show, the podcast will
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Speaker 2 (37:45):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some
bad and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time
for good, bad and lovely.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
All right, lead to lap What do we got?
Speaker 8 (37:57):
Well, as we do each and every Wednesday, we start
with the good news, and LeVar, you let us know
it was good this week.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Well, it's what's good today and the next three days.
Today opens the early signing period for high school athletes
that are going to choose the colleges that they're going
to go to. Man Yeah, and so it's an exciting
day for us because at seven a m our time,
(38:23):
I think seven thirty is when he officially will sign.
But yeah, Man Man signs will be signing today and
enrolling early into the school that he's going to choose
and sign up with today. So pretty exciting, super super
cool and super good. Alright, I'm talking about that, and
(38:43):
congrats to all of the other of course, all of
the the you know, Prep Prep stars and players that
are signing today.
Speaker 8 (38:50):
Helly, congrats. That is super good. But you can't have
good without the bad. Jonas what was bad this week.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
There's a lot of Christmas movies that are out that
I've just started to rethink that just aren't.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Good at all, like at all, and you know, well
like National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation like great in real time.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
You kind of go back and watch it, you go,
you know, not as funny as I thought it was.
The Christmas Chronicles with Kurt Russell. That's a Netflix one.
It's good and maybe just because my son continues to
watch that one.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Over and over and over again.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Yeah, not for me though, And since he's not given
out the bad this week, I'm gonna go with that. Like,
I think we could do better with some of these
holiday movies and the selection hasn't been all that hot
over the past couple of years, and.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
From bad to worse.
Speaker 8 (39:39):
We talked about the Bears watching that wins possible upsets
of the Lions throwing there, the Raiders watching that game
versus the Chiefs on Black Friday primetime games where the
worst team could have upset the best in the conference, ugly, ugly,
ugly over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Of course, of course he picked the game on Black Friday.
Got a shock, what a stunner.
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