June 8, 2023 • 37 mins
Rory McIlroy sounds off on the PGA merger with LIV Golf. TheMMQB’s Albert Breer talks about the ongoing gambling investigation in the NFL and much more. Plus, a Thursday edition of “Would You Rather?”
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story while the NBA was trying to figure out how
much longer it wanted to take in between games before
it tipped off, Game three was the Live and PGA Union.
The Live Tour and the PGA Tour or are now one.
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And there was a lot of people who we had
not heard from, a lot of people who hadn't spoken
out yet. We had heard rumblings about a player's meeting
on the PGA Tour in which they laid into j Monahan,
the PGA Tour commissioner, and you heard it from some
of the live golfers who were on social media taking
some victory laps and kind of letting everybody know we
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were right the entire time and you were wrong and etc.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Etc.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
And Jay Monahan talked about him being a hypocrite, like
we broke it all down a deep dive yesterday on
PGA and Live and their relationship, and then Rory McElroy
decided to step right up and he decided to talk
about his involvement. There was a report out there some
rumblings that the Live Tour at one point maybe offered
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Rory McElroy five hundred million dollars to join the tour.
There were some rumblings at Tiger Woods was offered like
seven eight hundred million dollars to join the tour. But
they showed support, they showed loyalty the PGA tour. Only
to find out we're all shopping in the same store
together now. And so here was Roy McElroy yesterday talking
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about the situation.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
I know you and many other golfers were offered substantial
amounts of money to join Live. I was never offered it.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Oh my apologies.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
Should the golfers who maybe stayed loyal and turned down Live,
should they be made whole financially?
Speaker 6 (03:22):
I mean, the simple answer is yes. A complex answer
is how does that happen, right, and that's all. That's
all gray area and up in the air at the minute.
But yeah, there's you know, it's hard to it's hard
for me to not sit up here and feel somewhat
like a sacrificial lamb and you know, feeling like I've
put myself out there and this is what happens again,
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removing myself from the situation. I see how this is
better for the game of golf, there's no denying that.
But for me as an individual, yeah, I there's just
going to have to be conversations that are had.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I was trying to get this trade.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
You ain't getting that money back. Play. You should have
took the ridicule. You should have took the road let's travel.
You should have took a chance and believed in yourself.
You was watching them cats on that private jet. You
was getting jealous. Yeah, you were a sacrificial lamb. My guy.
You know why cause you didn't take the money. My
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favorite part about all should you shouldn't.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
My favorite part about all this is he was very
quick to point out I was never offered any money,
And then when it came to the end of the quote,
it was like, yeah, I think we should be compensated
for something. It's like, okay, so you take in the
stance that you took. Was it for moral purposes? Was
it because you were outraged by the quote unquote blood
money that was part of the live tour or were
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you just assuming that you were in the right lane
they were all on the wrong one and you guys
were never going to merge into traffic together. And now
you look like an a hole and you don't have
any of the money that those guys made on top
of all that. That's what it feels like to me.
That's why he's better.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
It just sounds a little disingenuous, like to say, yes,
if you were offered money, you should be made whole
after something like this, Like no, no, that's like the
scenario you were giving out about Tiger Woods, Like if
I get this deal done here, but it happens after.
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Like if my deal happened after, I don't know you anything,
But if it happened during, then I owe you. The
bottom line is is that you didn't make a move.
You made a decision. The PGA tour didn't keep y'all
from making that decision. They might have told y'all what
it advised you what not to do and what to do,
or you might have had a whole lot of people
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sitting there telling you this is career suicide. And all
those guys like Brooks, Koepka and all of them who
are taking the money, this is career suicide for them.
You chose, you chose to play it safe. Ain't no
PGA need to make you whole. That's less money. That's
that's less money that that whoever that that public fund is,
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and that from the Saudi's, that's that's that's funding this.
That's less money they had to pay to get to
where it is that they wanted. And which, by the way,
it made me start thinking what if they started what
if this public fund wanted to do this would say
pro football? Yeah, what's to say that? Now? This hasn't
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set a new precedence for how to infiltrate American sports,
American athletics.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
I brought up yesterday. WWE has been going over there
for a few years now. They got a lot of
the heat that a lot of the lib golfers got,
and they keep going over and in fact, they're going
over more now because of how much money's brought in,
Like if you're willing to take the backlash initially amount
of revenue and the amount of cash that those that
they're willing to offer in situations like this, I mean
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that like this type of money, like the NFL is
rich and flush with cash, They're not this flush with
cash like.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Like the Saudi's.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Like that's a level of income and a level of
money that even J Monahan's like, look, yes I'm a hypocrite,
but damn, that's a lot of cash.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Like did this I do? I was thinking about that
as well too.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
I wonder could this potentially be a threat to you know,
some other establishments as far as leagues go, when it
comes to you know, football or basketball or whatever. If
this could be the start of what else could happen here?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I do wonder, Well, I think that that's a that's
a very interesting proposition. I would be curious to hear
what Q would have to say on this, because you
know he he always brings the numbers and the the evidence,
and you know he breaks out his copious notes of
all things like this. But I would say, I would
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wonder what would be like, think about it. You're talking
about a public fund in a place where that money
is the longest money I've heard of outside of a
few situations in Africa, but I've heard that money is
super super super long, like guarantee contracts. Why not guarantee contracts, Oh,
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Deshaun Watson, you guys. Oh, I can bring over the
you know, Trevor Lawrence is the Justin Herberts, the Tarik Hills.
I can get you know, Aaron Rodgers. What, Yeah, I
can bring these players over. All I have to do
is give them guarantee contracts. Look at the money that
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they're generating in the NFL. Let's infiltrate them. Let's start
our own league. Let's start giving them the best players
that they have, like a guaranteed amount on their contracts,
and let's start football teams. We can plug in the
rest of these guys. There's enough football players running around
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where you can plug in the rest of these guys.
These are going to be the ones that are selling
tickets and making this thing go, Like, let's do it.
Who's to say that that isn't what can happen next?
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Yeah, and just the whole Rory McElroy and his just
crying about you know, I was never offered anything, and
it's blood money and he just did. It's disgraceful what
they've done. But I mean, since we're here, I'll take
some of it as a make good. You know, I'll
take some of your money as a make good. Okay,
(09:45):
So it's blood money then, but now it's make good money, okay.
Just I want to make sure that we've got this clear.
It's just the whole thing's hilarious. Man, just to see
how many of these guys are so bitter and just
still are holding on into that. Well, it needs to
need to make it right for us. It's like you
ever had like a piece of hair, you find a
piece of hair in your food at a restaurant. You
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ever had that happen, or like, you know, a fingernail.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Something in your drinking. I've seen particles in my drink. Yeah,
that's really like that's a real big turn off.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
It's like if I saw something in my food, the
last thing I want is the same meal that I
just ordered that had like a piece of hair or
a fingernail my food. It's like when they come back
to the tails, it all will remake it for you. Yeah,
I don't want you to remake it, Like I just
I don't want to get that. You know, I'll get
something remaking it.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
They yes, let it sit under the heater for a minute,
and then put it back out there. It's like running
back out.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
It's like Roy McRoy saying, no, take this food back,
but they bring out the exact same one and he says, Okay,
I guess now, I'll take it all. Right now, now
I'll take it, you know, as long as long as
you know part of its comp I guess now I'll
take it.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Just the whole The whole thing is comedy.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
It's just you played it safe. You played it safe
when others didn't, and know you shouldn't be compensated for
playing it safe. You shouldn't. Bottom line is you shouldn't.
And it's so crazy because now you expose yourself for
being a hypocrite just by sitting there saying that, like, okay,
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so it wasn't really about being true Americans and patriotism
and all these things. It was about like you trying
to preserve yourself self preservation. And on the other side
of this, when this crumbles in people's faces to live
toward that is then we're the ones that look like good, good,
good patriots. We we did it the right way. We're
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the good soldiers. Yeah, well, what happens when the team
you're a part of, the soldier team, the soldier group
you're a part of, sells out to the enemy. Like
you you thought you won the war, but you had
only won a battle. The war was still being waged.
And clearly whoever chose live and took those big ass
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bags of money, they won the war in the end,
and they're probably going to be taken care of and
they're probably going to be reverenced by the people that
did the deals with them early on, because you don't
get this deal done unless the golfers that join not
only joined, but play well, play well in the PGA.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
And I would love to know how many of the
golfers that joined the Live Tour. I would love to
know how many of them joined just for the money,
or how many of them joined, Yes because of the money,
but also because, hey, dude, we're going to end up
in the same spot anyways, so why not take the money, Like, yeah,
we got to wear it for a couple of years,
but eventually we're all going to be in the same spot.
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And the PGA Tour, with all its flaws. Can't just
continue to say no to this type of cash, knowing
what it could do to the entire sport and everybody
involved in it. I wonder how many of them said,
this is our opportunity to make on top of what
we're gonna make when we finally joined forces together, this
is what our opportunity to make an.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Extra hundred million dollars, knowing what was down the road.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Because I get the feeling guys like Phil Mickelson, Greg
Norman has been all about this for years now. You
mentioned Donald Trump who predicted this, what was it a
couple of years ago or last year, saying year, take
the money, it's gonna happen eventually. I wonder how many
people also had the same thought. And that's part of
the reason why they did this, because they said, we'll
take the blowback for two years, but that hundred million
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dollars you can't get back. And and the way we
go with the living PGA relationship that moves forward, it's
it's pretty funny to watch. It's two pros and a
cup of Joe here Fox Sports Radio. It's LeVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn or not Brady Quinn. That was a Freudian
slip there, I have it.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Sorry, but I mean he is a part of this show.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
He's just not in.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
He's not here. Yeah, but LeVar Arrington and Jonas Knocks
are here. That's what I know. I'm done, Yes, yes,
he is.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Not.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Forget everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Really.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
People still want to know what happened to Berto too?
They said, what happened to Berto and Brady?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, yeah, back, its a little different, you know, package
deal everything.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Okay, we can't all.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Right, So coming up next though, we could have ourselves
another gambling scandal in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
We'll give you the details on that right here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
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Speaker 5 (14:50):
Albert Breer is a senior NFL reporter at the MMQB
and you can get him on Twitter at Albert Breer
and he is a tradition every single Thursday here on
the show AB What's Happening?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Good morning, Hey, good morning guys, Good morning sir.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
All right, So I got to ask you because I
saw this in your Tuesday notes on si dot com
that there could be uh some more people getting popped
for gambling in the NFL. I know, obviously, Isaiah Rodgers,
what can you tell us how much worse is this
going to get for the league?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Here?
Speaker 8 (15:24):
Well, they're investigating a lot of guys, and I think
there's some pushback now in that. You know, I feel
like there's players who've been popped who feel like the
league and the teams weren't clear enough about what the
rules were. And the fact that a lot of this
wasn't negotiated with the union I think is also an issue.
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So there's a lot of like backroom dealing going.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
On right now.
Speaker 8 (15:49):
I'd say, what winds up happening, We'll see, And I
think there's like a fair discussion to be had here.
I mean, look like no one thinks what I say
Rogers is okay? Right, Like NFL players cannot gamble on
NFL games for very obvious reasons. And I wouldn't even
say the league is being hypocritical when it comes to
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that specifically, because that, you know, would call in a
question the integrity of any game, and you know, any
sports league can't have that. But when you're talking about
you know, gambling on the Kentucky Derby or gambling out
of college basketball game, and like the you can do
it like from like the many you leave the parking lot,
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but you can't do it from the locker room. I
think there are fair questions to ask about that, especially
when the league's taking money from Caesars and from DraftKings
and from fan duel and everybody else.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
And so.
Speaker 8 (16:45):
Yes, there are a sizeable number of players that are
under investigation right now. I'll be interested to see where
it goes next because I think there is some question
about how this was all negotiated, and then you know
how clearly the rules were communicated to the players.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I'm gonna switch gears and and ask you about the commanders,
and in particular, more specifically one of your probably I
guess somebody you're a fan of, uh in Chase Young.
You said he looked pretty pretty good in many camps.
Can you give us an update on on us? Because
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Jonas was basically calling him a Jadeveon clowny.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I mean, what do you? And and listen, Jadeveon was
able to make I think at least one or two
Pro Bowls, do you think that Chase Young can can
kind of get back to that type of form where
he could actually be a Pro Bowl caliber player again.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
You know, I think the name bringing up Clowney's name
isn't unfair just because I mean, if you guys remember
Devin Clowney, you know, really had a serious knee injury
in his first game of the pro and underwent microfracture.
Speaker 8 (18:01):
Surgery, and it doesn't get more serious than that, you know,
for a player, and so like Clowney came back from that,
but I think there was always this feeling that, you know,
maybe the reason he was never able to reach the
high end potential that initially made him the first tick
in the draft all the way back in twenty fourteen
was because of the knee injury. And so, you know,
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I think that's where the comparison is fair in that
Chase Young's ACL tare in twenty twenty one wasn't just
an ACL there. It was a multi ligament tear.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
It was a.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
Devastating knee injury. And you know, I know, like one
of the big reasons Washington didn't pick up the option,
you know, and back in May. Was because when he
came back from the injury last year, he didn't look
like anything close to himself. It was ugly in practice.
They were questioning whether whether or not they just shut
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him down for the rest of the year, and when
he got back, you know, into games and the very
limited action, he just you know, it's just fair to
look at and say, like, we're you know, over a
year out, now, where is this going to go from here?
And you know, now I think the you know, like,
what's the options turned down? With the option having been
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turned down, and you know, I think the Commanders were
open to talking about a trade on him before the draft.
They've wanted to wait and see what he looks like
on the field, and now they've actually seen him on
the field, they feel a lot better about it. So
it doesn't mean he's going to get back to the
form me he achieved as a rookie when he was
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the defensive Rookie of the Year, But some good signs
there and I'd say now it's highly unlikely they'll trade
him because of what they've been able to see at
mini camp this week. He looks a lot better.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Albert.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Can I throw a kind of a peek into the future.
I don't want to say conspiracy theory because I don't
think it's a conspiracy. Yeah, but how crazy you think
this thought is that the speaking of the Commanders, the
Washington Commanders are picking number one overall in the draft
next year. Yep, they're taking Caleb Williams, who's from the area,
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and they're bringing Lincoln Riley with them. That sounds like
a lot of fun, right, I mean, I'm just saying, like,
if they're picking number one overall in the draft, I
would assume Ron Rivera is not the coach next year.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I think he's kind of alluded to that as well too.
Speaker 9 (20:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (20:25):
Well, that's the thing is like, you know, it's funny
when people bring that up. It's like, are the Commanders tanking.
It's like Ron Rivera and Martin Mayhew and Marty Herney
cannot afford to take because if they there's a new
owner coming in and if they I would say, if
they don't make the playoffs, they're in trouble.
Speaker 9 (20:43):
Yeah, if they're the.
Speaker 8 (20:43):
Worst team in the league, I mean they're gone before
the years, but before the season's over, you know. So
I mean, look like we know the way this goes,
and Josh Harris is gonna be approved at the end
of July beginning August, and he's gonna come in and
he's gonna say all the right things about giving these
guys a fair shot to prove himselves and all the
rest of it. You guys know the score as well
as I do. Every new owner wants to bring in
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his new people, and he's looking for an excuse to
bring in his new people, his own people. And we
saw what happened in Denver, right, Nate Hackett had one
year to prove himself, even though his first year they
hire him as a young head coach, and no, it
didn't go well. But in a lot of circumstances like
that one you'll see a guy like that get a
second chance. And Nathaniel Hacket didn't get a second chance
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because he wasn't hired by the new owners. And so
the new owners come in and they take a huge
swing and go and hire Sean Payton, and it certainly
stands to reason that that could happen here too, where
you know, new ownership comes in and they want to
kind of change the field in new organization and sort
of put their stamp on it right away and take
a big swing like that.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
And so.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
You know, I don't know what the Sean Payton type
of swing would be for Josh Harrits, but I think
trying to get Lincoln. Yeah, of USC would certainly be
in that category as far as big swings go.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Wow, I still don't understand. Can you explain? I had
another question, but I would love to hear your reasoning
on tanking a season. How is it possible for an
NFL team to be able to tank a season? Like,
how does that even work?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (22:17):
Well, so here's what I think is going to happen
this year, Lebar because I think tanking because of Caleb
Williams presidence in the draft class, because of Drake May's
president in the draft class, tanking is going to be
a big subject when we get to October and November
and December with teams that are at the bottom of league, right,
And I think if you look at the teams now
that would be in that running, it's a lot of
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teams that either a have a first year head coach
or B have a coach is at the end of
the row, end of the road, right, So in both
those cases, it'd be hard for either coach and that
sort of situation to engineer or a tanking a tanking plan,
because if you're the coach at the end of the road,
then you know losing is going to mean you get fired.
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You won't be the one making that pick anyway. And
if you're a first year coach, you have to establish
something and it can be pretty fatal to your ability
to succeed if that's the first impression players are getting
of you. So I don't think it happens in September
and October. However, what happens when we get to the
trade deadline and what happens when owners or a general
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manager gets googly eyes over the idea of I can
wind up what heal Williams.
Speaker 9 (23:24):
Or Drake, may you know what happens then?
Speaker 8 (23:28):
And I think what could happen is we could see
with maybe four or five six teams at the bottom
of the league as active as fire sales we've ever
seen before, where teams are unloading players and trying to
get draft capital and looking at it and saying, let's
find a way to manage our roster creatively. So we're
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in position to get the first pick, and then we
have all these draft picks on top of the first
pick to build around that young quarterback. That's where I
think it could happen. And if you're doing that before
the trade deadline, then what are you doing down the stretch.
You're probably engineering things to get the first pick. So
that doesn't mean you're telling players in your locker room
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go over there and lay down, you know what I mean.
You're not saying that, but if you have a star
player who has an injury, maybe you shut them down.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
For the year.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
So I think that that's the sort of stuff that's
going to be on our radar when we get October, November, December,
because you've got not one, but two quarterbacks in this
year's class that I think could be the first pick in.
Speaker 9 (24:28):
Any year's class.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Get them on Twitter at Albert Breers, senior NFL reporter
at the MMQB, joining us.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
So I wanted to ask you at this point in OTAs,
have you heard from anybody that you've talked to around
the league about a player or two, And it doesn't
have to be a rookie. It could be somebody entering
a big year that's really stood out that's made you know,
obvious improvements even just in OTAs. Thus far as we
get set for training camp coming up next month.
Speaker 8 (24:59):
You know, I the one team and I wrote about
them this week, So it's just kind of like front
of mine for me. I know, Seattle is very excited
about where they are, and you know, it's Gino Smith
sort of setting the tone and really like pushing to
build on what was a breakthrough year for him last
year obviously, but it's the group of second year players
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too there, you know, so it's it's it's Kenneth Walker,
It's Charles Cross, it's Abe Lucas, It's you know, Kobe Bryant,
Tariq Wall in a corner. You know, Seattle's like this
team is like, you know, kind of I would say,
flying under the radar right now where you're starting to
get the vibes you got, like, you know, twelve thirteen
(25:46):
years ago when Earl Thomas and Richard Sherman and all
those young guys were sort of building the program in Seattle,
and so like, I think that like, if you're asking
about a team that like looks like it's like positioning
itself to take a big step forward because of a
group of players I'd say it's that one, and I'd
say it's because of the quarterback, and I say it's
because of that young second year group. And then they've
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got the rookie class coming up behind them, you know,
and obviously going and getting Devin Witherspoon and Jackson Smith
and Jigba. Seattle just kind of strikes me as this
team where, you know, we could be looking at three
or four second year players who grow from really good
rookies into Pro bowlers, are all pros, and now all
of a sudden, Seattle set up to win for the
(26:29):
next few years the same way they were. When when
when again, like theol Thomas's, the cam Chancellors, the Richard
Shermans came of age there twelve or thirteen years ago.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
AB talk to me about what's going on the latest
in Arizona. Obviously, uh DeAndre Hopkins was released and is
still looking for work. I find that to be a
tad bit curious because there are a few teams out there,
especially the one he just is it in in Tennessee,
(27:01):
that is in need of a big time receiver. But
what's the what's the latest, uh on what's going on
in Arizona? Because it seems as though they are tallying
up the type of reputation where they may be the
most talked about team in the National Football League this year.
Speaker 9 (27:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (27:21):
Well, it's been a bizarre offseason for sure, right, Like
I mean from you know, the allegations against Michael Bidwell
that were you know, that were Levy by Terry McDonough,
the former you know, the player personnel to the NFLPA stuff,
which was just, I mean comical. I don't know, LeVar,
were you ever charged for a meal if you stay
(27:41):
late at the facility?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
They said they were charged. They said they were charging
for meals well in Washington for for cups of coffee too,
So I don't you know, I won't get too carried
away on that one.
Speaker 8 (27:55):
Wait a second, they were charging for cups of coffee?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Did you see the did you see the dig that
Mike McDaniel made on home washing that he said if
he'd have known something or something or another, you know,
because he was paying for his cups of coffee. There
was something that there was something Mike McDaniel say, he
took a dig, but apparently I guess you were paying
for your cups of coffee at one point they got
(28:20):
like a coin op like there, I would hey, listen,
I wouldn't put that past that man.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
And by the way, you know, it's one of those
devices where it's not a dollar, it's a dollar twenty
five to really make it a pain in the ass.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah, it would have been. It would have been a
quarter dip. It would have been a tap. You would
have been able to tap your credit card.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
You know.
Speaker 8 (28:40):
Yeah, so like I I mean between like the you know,
between the tampering thing and the the nflt A thing,
and you know the obviously the the Terry McDonough thing
with the owner. It's it's been a weird off season there,
and you know, look like I think what money Austin
for it? And Johnason Gannon, who I think are too
there were two real solid hires.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
You know.
Speaker 8 (29:03):
Through their actions over the last couple of months and
the way that they've sort of structured things, it really
looks like this is going to be a big transition year.
And you know, you you look at like where their
draft capital's gone, where they're pushing kitchens the next year,
and how young their staff is and how they've you know,
(29:24):
had to move on from some older veterans, and look
like I think that they're doing all the right They're
doing what they need to do, you know what I mean,
Like they're doing I think what anybody would do in
that to the position where you got really really old,
you know, like JJ Watt, Rodney HUDs, the Hudson aj
Green like they were old and somebody needs to come
in and hit the reset button. And so they're not
(29:46):
going to be very good this year, you know, so
throw another log in the fire and they're gonna have
to ride this year out. You know, maybe a year
from now we're talking about them being the team that
wound up with Caleb Williams and Kyler Murray being somewhere else.
It's I would say, not going to be the winningest
year in Arizona. But but I think it's going to
be a really really interesting year just because of all
(30:08):
those different subplots going on.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Get them on Twitter at Albert Breers, senior NFL reporter
at the mm QB always kind enough to join us
on a Thursday ab always great stuff, man, We appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
Yeah, next week we need stories from LeVar on that
like seven dollars cheeseburger he had to buy and watching
them ABM on a Wednesday night.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Please, he's got plenty of those. I'm sure that'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I know that they serve food there. I think maybe
at the end they started serving food. We had to
order our at lunch.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
It's a couple of noodles and stuff like that.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
You have to They got to do our dash lunch there, Albert.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Have a good rest of your Thursday. We'll do it
again next week.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Man.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
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Would you rather your random topics, sports or otherwise?
Speaker 3 (32:36):
All right, lead the lap?
Speaker 7 (32:37):
What do we got Guys, you would you rather see
come out of retirement Tom Brady or Gronk?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Tom Brady?
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Yeah, Brady, I would go Brady. I feel like Gronk,
although it's kind of one and the same. Like if
tom Brady came out, I feel like Gronk would probably
join him. Roger that Cronk's pretty much decided. I don't
want to play with anybody other than Tom Brady. So
if he's not, I'm not playing. Just kind of right,
it's kind of what it is. Yeah, he's not playing.
(33:05):
I'm not playing, and he didn't care. Reportedly was great
with his money. He's got all sorts of sponsorships.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Now he's fine. He did okay for himself.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
Guys, Lionel Messi's going to be joining Miami in the MLS.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Oh Veto.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah, by the way, he does look like Veto our imagy. Guy,
Messi does look like Veto, probably.
Speaker 7 (33:28):
Head and shoulders shorter. But would you rather go see
uh Messi's first game in Miami or the French Open?
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Oh, Messi's first game in Miami. But I have no
desire to go watch it. I mean, look, you go
see it on television. The television product is that much better,
especially if it's if it's showcased on Fox. With the
job that they do putting on events, you know, I'd
much rather stay home and watch Fox personally, then go
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all the way to Miami try to deal with some
the snow flurries to.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Watch a soccer game.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
I'm gonna go see Massy. I've done tennis. It's just
what's painfully boring?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Tennis?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
It's just painfully boring. Matches are boring. Can you drinking?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Can you drink a tennis tournament? You can drink out there?
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Right?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean where I was sitting, they were drinking. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
What else?
Speaker 1 (34:30):
It's just boring. Man.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
Man, We're gonna have Djokovic versus Alcoraz on Friday.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
It's gonna be that's gonna be a great match. He's
taking on an entire prison.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
Alcaaz, Carlos Algaz, not Alcatraz, Alcatraz. All right, fellas, would
you rather? Would you rather have a third nipple or
a fifth toe?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Jesus Lee, I take a fifth toe at mobility.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
I'll go third nipple because I feel like you're a freak.
Well no, I just I feel like flip flops. You
would look a little odd you're walking.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Baby two was just not enough. Yeah, get on in
there on my third one.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Now, is the third nipple is that centered or is
it just kind of at a random It.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Could be anywhere. Usually the third nipples is like on
your rib cage or something like that.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Right, Yeah, yeah, I would go with the third nipple.
I could.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
I can seal that if it was like right in
the middle, that would really throw off me wearing v NEX,
so I would like if you're walking around with a
fifth toe, it's basically you're walking around with scuba gain.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
The better question is is if we had a woman
on our show, would this still be a Would this
still be a question? Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
No, definitely.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Okay, well so there you go. All right, so I'm
out on there.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
What else.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
Would free gas or free groceries?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I'm going free groceries.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yeah, I would do the same.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
I like to walk a lot, so, like, there's some
supermarkets not far from my house, so I'll walk over
there from time to time and get what I need.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I have a hybrid too, I use a lot of
a lot of battery power, so I'd rather take the groceries.
Speaker 7 (36:17):
Yeah, yeah, would you rather give up music or TV
for a month.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Ooh, that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Music.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I'm gonna say TV.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Because we kind of we need TV. Got to know
what's going on.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I need music.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
I know I love music too.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
What exactly do I need to know what's going on?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Well, you know the games? You know, like, let's uh
just listen to music.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
You have internet?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
What if you don't have internet?
Speaker 1 (36:52):
We got Now you're just adding things.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
I'm just sad, there's stipulations here. I'm just adding, you know,
a new wrinkle to the question.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I'm going with music, I can use my internet or
social media for the other stuff. There you go. It's
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story while the NBA was trying to figure out how
much longer it wanted to take in between games before
it tipped off, Game three was the Live and PGA Union.
The Live Tour and the PGA Tour or are now one.
(02:01):
And there was a lot of people who we had
not heard from, a lot of people who hadn't spoken
out yet. We had heard rumblings about a player's meeting
on the PGA Tour in which they laid into j Monahan,
the PGA Tour commissioner, and you heard it from some
of the live golfers who were on social media taking
some victory laps and kind of letting everybody know we
(02:21):
were right the entire time and you were wrong and etc.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Etc.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
And Jay Monahan talked about him being a hypocrite, like
we broke it all down a deep dive yesterday on
PGA and Live and their relationship, and then Rory McElroy
decided to step right up and he decided to talk
about his involvement. There was a report out there some
rumblings that the Live Tour at one point maybe offered
(02:47):
Rory McElroy five hundred million dollars to join the tour.
There were some rumblings at Tiger Woods was offered like
seven eight hundred million dollars to join the tour. But
they showed support, they showed loyalty the PGA tour. Only
to find out we're all shopping in the same store
together now. And so here was Roy McElroy yesterday talking
(03:09):
about the situation.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
I know you and many other golfers were offered substantial
amounts of money to join Live. I was never offered it.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Oh my apologies.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
Should the golfers who maybe stayed loyal and turned down Live,
should they be made whole financially?
Speaker 6 (03:22):
I mean, the simple answer is yes. A complex answer
is how does that happen, right, and that's all. That's
all gray area and up in the air at the minute.
But yeah, there's you know, it's hard to it's hard
for me to not sit up here and feel somewhat
like a sacrificial lamb and you know, feeling like I've
put myself out there and this is what happens again,
(03:45):
removing myself from the situation. I see how this is
better for the game of golf, there's no denying that.
But for me as an individual, yeah, I there's just
going to have to be conversations that are had.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I was trying to get this trade.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
You ain't getting that money back. Play. You should have
took the ridicule. You should have took the road let's travel.
You should have took a chance and believed in yourself.
You was watching them cats on that private jet. You
was getting jealous. Yeah, you were a sacrificial lamb. My guy.
You know why cause you didn't take the money. My
(04:25):
favorite part about all should you shouldn't.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
My favorite part about all this is he was very
quick to point out I was never offered any money,
And then when it came to the end of the quote,
it was like, yeah, I think we should be compensated
for something. It's like, okay, so you take in the
stance that you took. Was it for moral purposes? Was
it because you were outraged by the quote unquote blood
money that was part of the live tour or were
(04:51):
you just assuming that you were in the right lane
they were all on the wrong one and you guys
were never going to merge into traffic together. And now
you look like an a hole and you don't have
any of the money that those guys made on top
of all that. That's what it feels like to me.
That's why he's better.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
It just sounds a little disingenuous, like to say, yes,
if you were offered money, you should be made whole
after something like this, Like no, no, that's like the
scenario you were giving out about Tiger Woods, Like if
I get this deal done here, but it happens after.
(05:31):
Like if my deal happened after, I don't know you anything,
But if it happened during, then I owe you. The
bottom line is is that you didn't make a move.
You made a decision. The PGA tour didn't keep y'all
from making that decision. They might have told y'all what
it advised you what not to do and what to do,
or you might have had a whole lot of people
(05:53):
sitting there telling you this is career suicide. And all
those guys like Brooks, Koepka and all of them who
are taking the money, this is career suicide for them.
You chose, you chose to play it safe. Ain't no
PGA need to make you whole. That's less money. That's
that's less money that that whoever that that public fund is,
(06:15):
and that from the Saudi's, that's that's that's funding this.
That's less money they had to pay to get to
where it is that they wanted. And which, by the way,
it made me start thinking what if they started what
if this public fund wanted to do this would say
pro football? Yeah, what's to say that? Now? This hasn't
(06:36):
set a new precedence for how to infiltrate American sports,
American athletics.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
I brought up yesterday. WWE has been going over there
for a few years now. They got a lot of
the heat that a lot of the lib golfers got,
and they keep going over and in fact, they're going
over more now because of how much money's brought in,
Like if you're willing to take the backlash initially amount
of revenue and the amount of cash that those that
they're willing to offer in situations like this, I mean
(07:09):
that like this type of money, like the NFL is
rich and flush with cash, They're not this flush with
cash like.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Like the Saudi's.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Like that's a level of income and a level of
money that even J Monahan's like, look, yes I'm a hypocrite,
but damn, that's a lot of cash.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Like did this I do? I was thinking about that
as well too.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
I wonder could this potentially be a threat to you know,
some other establishments as far as leagues go, when it
comes to you know, football or basketball or whatever. If
this could be the start of what else could happen here?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I do wonder, Well, I think that that's a that's
a very interesting proposition. I would be curious to hear
what Q would have to say on this, because you
know he he always brings the numbers and the the evidence,
and you know he breaks out his copious notes of
all things like this. But I would say, I would
(08:08):
wonder what would be like, think about it. You're talking
about a public fund in a place where that money
is the longest money I've heard of outside of a
few situations in Africa, but I've heard that money is
super super super long, like guarantee contracts. Why not guarantee contracts, Oh,
(08:31):
Deshaun Watson, you guys. Oh, I can bring over the
you know, Trevor Lawrence is the Justin Herberts, the Tarik Hills.
I can get you know, Aaron Rodgers. What, Yeah, I
can bring these players over. All I have to do
is give them guarantee contracts. Look at the money that
(08:54):
they're generating in the NFL. Let's infiltrate them. Let's start
our own league. Let's start giving them the best players
that they have, like a guaranteed amount on their contracts,
and let's start football teams. We can plug in the
rest of these guys. There's enough football players running around
(09:14):
where you can plug in the rest of these guys.
These are going to be the ones that are selling
tickets and making this thing go, Like, let's do it.
Who's to say that that isn't what can happen next?
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Yeah, and just the whole Rory McElroy and his just
crying about you know, I was never offered anything, and
it's blood money and he just did. It's disgraceful what
they've done. But I mean, since we're here, I'll take
some of it as a make good. You know, I'll
take some of your money as a make good. Okay,
(09:45):
So it's blood money then, but now it's make good money, okay.
Just I want to make sure that we've got this clear.
It's just the whole thing's hilarious. Man, just to see
how many of these guys are so bitter and just
still are holding on into that. Well, it needs to
need to make it right for us. It's like you
ever had like a piece of hair, you find a
piece of hair in your food at a restaurant. You
(10:07):
ever had that happen, or like, you know, a fingernail.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Something in your drinking. I've seen particles in my drink. Yeah,
that's really like that's a real big turn off.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
It's like if I saw something in my food, the
last thing I want is the same meal that I
just ordered that had like a piece of hair or
a fingernail my food. It's like when they come back
to the tails, it all will remake it for you. Yeah,
I don't want you to remake it, Like I just
I don't want to get that. You know, I'll get
something remaking it.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
They yes, let it sit under the heater for a minute,
and then put it back out there. It's like running
back out.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
It's like Roy McRoy saying, no, take this food back,
but they bring out the exact same one and he says, Okay,
I guess now, I'll take it all. Right now, now
I'll take it, you know, as long as long as
you know part of its comp I guess now I'll
take it.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Just the whole The whole thing is comedy.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
It's just you played it safe. You played it safe
when others didn't, and know you shouldn't be compensated for
playing it safe. You shouldn't. Bottom line is you shouldn't.
And it's so crazy because now you expose yourself for
being a hypocrite just by sitting there saying that, like, okay,
(11:21):
so it wasn't really about being true Americans and patriotism
and all these things. It was about like you trying
to preserve yourself self preservation. And on the other side
of this, when this crumbles in people's faces to live
toward that is then we're the ones that look like good, good,
good patriots. We we did it the right way. We're
(11:42):
the good soldiers. Yeah, well, what happens when the team
you're a part of, the soldier team, the soldier group
you're a part of, sells out to the enemy. Like
you you thought you won the war, but you had
only won a battle. The war was still being waged.
And clearly whoever chose live and took those big ass
(12:05):
bags of money, they won the war in the end,
and they're probably going to be taken care of and
they're probably going to be reverenced by the people that
did the deals with them early on, because you don't
get this deal done unless the golfers that join not
only joined, but play well, play well in the PGA.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
And I would love to know how many of the
golfers that joined the Live Tour. I would love to
know how many of them joined just for the money,
or how many of them joined, Yes because of the money,
but also because, hey, dude, we're going to end up
in the same spot anyways, so why not take the money, Like, yeah,
we got to wear it for a couple of years,
but eventually we're all going to be in the same spot.
(12:47):
And the PGA Tour, with all its flaws. Can't just
continue to say no to this type of cash, knowing
what it could do to the entire sport and everybody
involved in it. I wonder how many of them said,
this is our opportunity to make on top of what
we're gonna make when we finally joined forces together, this
is what our opportunity to make an.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Extra hundred million dollars, knowing what was down the road.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Because I get the feeling guys like Phil Mickelson, Greg
Norman has been all about this for years now. You
mentioned Donald Trump who predicted this, what was it a
couple of years ago or last year, saying year, take
the money, it's gonna happen eventually. I wonder how many
people also had the same thought. And that's part of
the reason why they did this, because they said, we'll
take the blowback for two years, but that hundred million
(13:34):
dollars you can't get back. And and the way we
go with the living PGA relationship that moves forward, it's
it's pretty funny to watch. It's two pros and a
cup of Joe here Fox Sports Radio. It's LeVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn or not Brady Quinn. That was a Freudian
slip there, I have it.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Sorry, but I mean he is a part of this show.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
He's just not in.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
He's not here. Yeah, but LeVar Arrington and Jonas Knocks
are here. That's what I know. I'm done, Yes, yes,
he is.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Not.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Forget everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Really.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
People still want to know what happened to Berto too?
They said, what happened to Berto and Brady?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, yeah, back, its a little different, you know, package
deal everything.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Okay, we can't all.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Right, So coming up next though, we could have ourselves
another gambling scandal in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
We'll give you the details on that right here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
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Speaker 5 (14:50):
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and you can get him on Twitter at Albert Breer
and he is a tradition every single Thursday here on
the show AB What's Happening?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Good morning, Hey, good morning guys, Good morning sir.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
All right, So I got to ask you because I
saw this in your Tuesday notes on si dot com
that there could be uh some more people getting popped
for gambling in the NFL. I know, obviously, Isaiah Rodgers,
what can you tell us how much worse is this
going to get for the league?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Here?
Speaker 8 (15:24):
Well, they're investigating a lot of guys, and I think
there's some pushback now in that. You know, I feel
like there's players who've been popped who feel like the
league and the teams weren't clear enough about what the
rules were. And the fact that a lot of this
wasn't negotiated with the union I think is also an issue.
(15:46):
So there's a lot of like backroom dealing going.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
On right now.
Speaker 8 (15:49):
I'd say, what winds up happening, We'll see, And I
think there's like a fair discussion to be had here.
I mean, look like no one thinks what I say
Rogers is okay? Right, Like NFL players cannot gamble on
NFL games for very obvious reasons. And I wouldn't even
say the league is being hypocritical when it comes to
(16:10):
that specifically, because that, you know, would call in a
question the integrity of any game, and you know, any
sports league can't have that. But when you're talking about
you know, gambling on the Kentucky Derby or gambling out
of college basketball game, and like the you can do
it like from like the many you leave the parking lot,
(16:32):
but you can't do it from the locker room. I
think there are fair questions to ask about that, especially
when the league's taking money from Caesars and from DraftKings
and from fan duel and everybody else.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
And so.
Speaker 8 (16:45):
Yes, there are a sizeable number of players that are
under investigation right now. I'll be interested to see where
it goes next because I think there is some question
about how this was all negotiated, and then you know
how clearly the rules were communicated to the players.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I'm gonna switch gears and and ask you about the commanders,
and in particular, more specifically one of your probably I
guess somebody you're a fan of, uh in Chase Young.
You said he looked pretty pretty good in many camps.
Can you give us an update on on us? Because
(17:24):
Jonas was basically calling him a Jadeveon clowny.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I mean, what do you? And and listen, Jadeveon was
able to make I think at least one or two
Pro Bowls, do you think that Chase Young can can
kind of get back to that type of form where
he could actually be a Pro Bowl caliber player again.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
You know, I think the name bringing up Clowney's name
isn't unfair just because I mean, if you guys remember
Devin Clowney, you know, really had a serious knee injury
in his first game of the pro and underwent microfracture.
Speaker 8 (18:01):
Surgery, and it doesn't get more serious than that, you know,
for a player, and so like Clowney came back from that,
but I think there was always this feeling that, you know,
maybe the reason he was never able to reach the
high end potential that initially made him the first tick
in the draft all the way back in twenty fourteen
was because of the knee injury. And so, you know,
(18:23):
I think that's where the comparison is fair in that
Chase Young's ACL tare in twenty twenty one wasn't just
an ACL there. It was a multi ligament tear.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
It was a.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
Devastating knee injury. And you know, I know, like one
of the big reasons Washington didn't pick up the option,
you know, and back in May. Was because when he
came back from the injury last year, he didn't look
like anything close to himself. It was ugly in practice.
They were questioning whether whether or not they just shut
(18:55):
him down for the rest of the year, and when
he got back, you know, into games and the very
limited action, he just you know, it's just fair to
look at and say, like, we're you know, over a
year out, now, where is this going to go from here?
And you know, now I think the you know, like,
what's the options turned down? With the option having been
(19:16):
turned down, and you know, I think the Commanders were
open to talking about a trade on him before the draft.
They've wanted to wait and see what he looks like
on the field, and now they've actually seen him on
the field, they feel a lot better about it. So
it doesn't mean he's going to get back to the
form me he achieved as a rookie when he was
(19:37):
the defensive Rookie of the Year, But some good signs
there and I'd say now it's highly unlikely they'll trade
him because of what they've been able to see at
mini camp this week. He looks a lot better.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Albert.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Can I throw a kind of a peek into the future.
I don't want to say conspiracy theory because I don't
think it's a conspiracy. Yeah, but how crazy you think
this thought is that the speaking of the Commanders, the
Washington Commanders are picking number one overall in the draft
next year. Yep, they're taking Caleb Williams, who's from the area,
(20:09):
and they're bringing Lincoln Riley with them. That sounds like
a lot of fun, right, I mean, I'm just saying, like,
if they're picking number one overall in the draft, I
would assume Ron Rivera is not the coach next year.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I think he's kind of alluded to that as well too.
Speaker 9 (20:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (20:25):
Well, that's the thing is like, you know, it's funny
when people bring that up. It's like, are the Commanders tanking.
It's like Ron Rivera and Martin Mayhew and Marty Herney
cannot afford to take because if they there's a new
owner coming in and if they I would say, if
they don't make the playoffs, they're in trouble.
Speaker 9 (20:43):
Yeah, if they're the.
Speaker 8 (20:43):
Worst team in the league, I mean they're gone before
the years, but before the season's over, you know. So
I mean, look like we know the way this goes,
and Josh Harris is gonna be approved at the end
of July beginning August, and he's gonna come in and
he's gonna say all the right things about giving these
guys a fair shot to prove himselves and all the
rest of it. You guys know the score as well
as I do. Every new owner wants to bring in
(21:05):
his new people, and he's looking for an excuse to
bring in his new people, his own people. And we
saw what happened in Denver, right, Nate Hackett had one
year to prove himself, even though his first year they
hire him as a young head coach, and no, it
didn't go well. But in a lot of circumstances like
that one you'll see a guy like that get a
second chance. And Nathaniel Hacket didn't get a second chance
(21:26):
because he wasn't hired by the new owners. And so
the new owners come in and they take a huge
swing and go and hire Sean Payton, and it certainly
stands to reason that that could happen here too, where
you know, new ownership comes in and they want to
kind of change the field in new organization and sort
of put their stamp on it right away and take
a big swing like that.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
And so.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
You know, I don't know what the Sean Payton type
of swing would be for Josh Harrits, but I think
trying to get Lincoln. Yeah, of USC would certainly be
in that category as far as big swings go.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Wow, I still don't understand. Can you explain? I had
another question, but I would love to hear your reasoning
on tanking a season. How is it possible for an
NFL team to be able to tank a season? Like,
how does that even work?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (22:17):
Well, so here's what I think is going to happen
this year, Lebar because I think tanking because of Caleb
Williams presidence in the draft class, because of Drake May's
president in the draft class, tanking is going to be
a big subject when we get to October and November
and December with teams that are at the bottom of league, right,
And I think if you look at the teams now
that would be in that running, it's a lot of
(22:39):
teams that either a have a first year head coach
or B have a coach is at the end of
the row, end of the road, right, So in both
those cases, it'd be hard for either coach and that
sort of situation to engineer or a tanking a tanking plan,
because if you're the coach at the end of the road,
then you know losing is going to mean you get fired.
(23:00):
You won't be the one making that pick anyway. And
if you're a first year coach, you have to establish
something and it can be pretty fatal to your ability
to succeed if that's the first impression players are getting
of you. So I don't think it happens in September
and October. However, what happens when we get to the
trade deadline and what happens when owners or a general
(23:21):
manager gets googly eyes over the idea of I can
wind up what heal Williams.
Speaker 9 (23:24):
Or Drake, may you know what happens then?
Speaker 8 (23:28):
And I think what could happen is we could see
with maybe four or five six teams at the bottom
of the league as active as fire sales we've ever
seen before, where teams are unloading players and trying to
get draft capital and looking at it and saying, let's
find a way to manage our roster creatively. So we're
(23:49):
in position to get the first pick, and then we
have all these draft picks on top of the first
pick to build around that young quarterback. That's where I
think it could happen. And if you're doing that before
the trade deadline, then what are you doing down the stretch.
You're probably engineering things to get the first pick. So
that doesn't mean you're telling players in your locker room
(24:10):
go over there and lay down, you know what I mean.
You're not saying that, but if you have a star
player who has an injury, maybe you shut them down.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
For the year.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
So I think that that's the sort of stuff that's
going to be on our radar when we get October, November, December,
because you've got not one, but two quarterbacks in this
year's class that I think could be the first pick in.
Speaker 9 (24:28):
Any year's class.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Get them on Twitter at Albert Breers, senior NFL reporter
at the MMQB, joining us.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
So I wanted to ask you at this point in OTAs,
have you heard from anybody that you've talked to around
the league about a player or two, And it doesn't
have to be a rookie. It could be somebody entering
a big year that's really stood out that's made you know,
obvious improvements even just in OTAs. Thus far as we
get set for training camp coming up next month.
Speaker 8 (24:59):
You know, I the one team and I wrote about
them this week, So it's just kind of like front
of mine for me. I know, Seattle is very excited
about where they are, and you know, it's Gino Smith
sort of setting the tone and really like pushing to
build on what was a breakthrough year for him last
year obviously, but it's the group of second year players
(25:23):
too there, you know, so it's it's it's Kenneth Walker,
It's Charles Cross, it's Abe Lucas, It's you know, Kobe Bryant,
Tariq Wall in a corner. You know, Seattle's like this
team is like, you know, kind of I would say,
flying under the radar right now where you're starting to
get the vibes you got, like, you know, twelve thirteen
(25:46):
years ago when Earl Thomas and Richard Sherman and all
those young guys were sort of building the program in Seattle,
and so like, I think that like, if you're asking
about a team that like looks like it's like positioning
itself to take a big step forward because of a
group of players I'd say it's that one, and I'd
say it's because of the quarterback, and I say it's
because of that young second year group. And then they've
(26:09):
got the rookie class coming up behind them, you know,
and obviously going and getting Devin Witherspoon and Jackson Smith
and Jigba. Seattle just kind of strikes me as this
team where, you know, we could be looking at three
or four second year players who grow from really good
rookies into Pro bowlers, are all pros, and now all
of a sudden, Seattle set up to win for the
(26:29):
next few years the same way they were. When when
when again, like theol Thomas's, the cam Chancellors, the Richard
Shermans came of age there twelve or thirteen years ago.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
AB talk to me about what's going on the latest
in Arizona. Obviously, uh DeAndre Hopkins was released and is
still looking for work. I find that to be a
tad bit curious because there are a few teams out there,
especially the one he just is it in in Tennessee,
(27:01):
that is in need of a big time receiver. But
what's the what's the latest, uh on what's going on
in Arizona? Because it seems as though they are tallying
up the type of reputation where they may be the
most talked about team in the National Football League this year.
Speaker 9 (27:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (27:21):
Well, it's been a bizarre offseason for sure, right, Like
I mean from you know, the allegations against Michael Bidwell
that were you know, that were Levy by Terry McDonough,
the former you know, the player personnel to the NFLPA stuff,
which was just, I mean comical. I don't know, LeVar,
were you ever charged for a meal if you stay
(27:41):
late at the facility?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
They said they were charged. They said they were charging
for meals well in Washington for for cups of coffee too,
So I don't you know, I won't get too carried
away on that one.
Speaker 8 (27:55):
Wait a second, they were charging for cups of coffee?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Did you see the did you see the dig that
Mike McDaniel made on home washing that he said if
he'd have known something or something or another, you know,
because he was paying for his cups of coffee. There
was something that there was something Mike McDaniel say, he
took a dig, but apparently I guess you were paying
for your cups of coffee at one point they got
(28:20):
like a coin op like there, I would hey, listen,
I wouldn't put that past that man.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
And by the way, you know, it's one of those
devices where it's not a dollar, it's a dollar twenty
five to really make it a pain in the ass.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah, it would have been. It would have been a
quarter dip. It would have been a tap. You would
have been able to tap your credit card.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
You know.
Speaker 8 (28:40):
Yeah, so like I I mean between like the you know,
between the tampering thing and the the nflt A thing,
and you know the obviously the the Terry McDonough thing
with the owner. It's it's been a weird off season there,
and you know, look like I think what money Austin
for it? And Johnason Gannon, who I think are too
there were two real solid hires.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
You know.
Speaker 8 (29:03):
Through their actions over the last couple of months and
the way that they've sort of structured things, it really
looks like this is going to be a big transition year.
And you know, you you look at like where their
draft capital's gone, where they're pushing kitchens the next year,
and how young their staff is and how they've you know,
(29:24):
had to move on from some older veterans, and look
like I think that they're doing all the right They're
doing what they need to do, you know what I mean,
Like they're doing I think what anybody would do in
that to the position where you got really really old,
you know, like JJ Watt, Rodney HUDs, the Hudson aj
Green like they were old and somebody needs to come
in and hit the reset button. And so they're not
(29:46):
going to be very good this year, you know, so
throw another log in the fire and they're gonna have
to ride this year out. You know, maybe a year
from now we're talking about them being the team that
wound up with Caleb Williams and Kyler Murray being somewhere else.
It's I would say, not going to be the winningest
year in Arizona. But but I think it's going to
be a really really interesting year just because of all
(30:08):
those different subplots going on.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Get them on Twitter at Albert Breers, senior NFL reporter
at the mm QB always kind enough to join us
on a Thursday ab always great stuff, man, We appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
Yeah, next week we need stories from LeVar on that
like seven dollars cheeseburger he had to buy and watching
them ABM on a Wednesday night.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Please, he's got plenty of those. I'm sure that'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I know that they serve food there. I think maybe
at the end they started serving food. We had to
order our at lunch.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
It's a couple of noodles and stuff like that.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
You have to They got to do our dash lunch there, Albert.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Have a good rest of your Thursday. We'll do it
again next week.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Man.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
All right, thanks guys, there is it is Two Pros and.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
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Speaker 3 (30:58):
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Speaker 3 (32:26):
Let's make hiss and now.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Would you rather your random topics, sports or otherwise?
Speaker 3 (32:36):
All right, lead the lap?
Speaker 7 (32:37):
What do we got Guys, you would you rather see
come out of retirement Tom Brady or Gronk?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Tom Brady?
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Yeah, Brady, I would go Brady. I feel like Gronk,
although it's kind of one and the same. Like if
tom Brady came out, I feel like Gronk would probably
join him. Roger that Cronk's pretty much decided. I don't
want to play with anybody other than Tom Brady. So
if he's not, I'm not playing. Just kind of right,
it's kind of what it is. Yeah, he's not playing.
(33:05):
I'm not playing, and he didn't care. Reportedly was great
with his money. He's got all sorts of sponsorships.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Now he's fine. He did okay for himself.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
Guys, Lionel Messi's going to be joining Miami in the MLS.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Oh Veto.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah, by the way, he does look like Veto our imagy. Guy,
Messi does look like Veto, probably.
Speaker 7 (33:28):
Head and shoulders shorter. But would you rather go see
uh Messi's first game in Miami or the French Open?
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Oh, Messi's first game in Miami. But I have no
desire to go watch it. I mean, look, you go
see it on television. The television product is that much better,
especially if it's if it's showcased on Fox. With the
job that they do putting on events, you know, I'd
much rather stay home and watch Fox personally, then go
(33:58):
all the way to Miami try to deal with some
the snow flurries to.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Watch a soccer game.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
I'm gonna go see Massy. I've done tennis. It's just
what's painfully boring?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Tennis?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
It's just painfully boring. Matches are boring. Can you drinking?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Can you drink a tennis tournament? You can drink out there?
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Right?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean where I was sitting, they were drinking. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
What else?
Speaker 1 (34:30):
It's just boring. Man.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
Man, We're gonna have Djokovic versus Alcoraz on Friday.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
It's gonna be that's gonna be a great match. He's
taking on an entire prison.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
Alcaaz, Carlos Algaz, not Alcatraz, Alcatraz. All right, fellas, would
you rather? Would you rather have a third nipple or
a fifth toe?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Jesus Lee, I take a fifth toe at mobility.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
I'll go third nipple because I feel like you're a freak.
Well no, I just I feel like flip flops. You
would look a little odd you're walking.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Baby two was just not enough. Yeah, get on in
there on my third one.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Now, is the third nipple is that centered or is
it just kind of at a random It.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Could be anywhere. Usually the third nipples is like on
your rib cage or something like that.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Right, Yeah, yeah, I would go with the third nipple.
I could.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
I can seal that if it was like right in
the middle, that would really throw off me wearing v NEX,
so I would like if you're walking around with a
fifth toe, it's basically you're walking around with scuba gain.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
The better question is is if we had a woman
on our show, would this still be a Would this
still be a question? Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
No, definitely.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Okay, well so there you go. All right, so I'm
out on there.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
What else.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
Would free gas or free groceries?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I'm going free groceries.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yeah, I would do the same.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
I like to walk a lot, so, like, there's some
supermarkets not far from my house, so I'll walk over
there from time to time and get what I need.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I have a hybrid too, I use a lot of
a lot of battery power, so I'd rather take the groceries.
Speaker 7 (36:17):
Yeah, yeah, would you rather give up music or TV
for a month.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Ooh, that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Music.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I'm gonna say TV.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Because we kind of we need TV. Got to know
what's going on.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I need music.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
I know I love music too.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
What exactly do I need to know what's going on?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Well, you know the games? You know, like, let's uh
just listen to music.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
You have internet?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
What if you don't have internet?
Speaker 1 (36:52):
We got Now you're just adding things.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
I'm just sad, there's stipulations here. I'm just adding, you know,
a new wrinkle to the question.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I'm going with music, I can use my internet or
social media for the other stuff. There you go. It's
TVs A fossil. Fossil.
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