May 25, 2023 • 39 mins
Lamar Jackson is at OTA’s getting ready with the new looking offense. Senior NFL Reporter for TheMMQB, Albert Breer gives updates from the NFL Spring Meetings and battles over playing surfaces. Plus, the Penn State – Michigan State game gets moved to Black Friday at Ford Field.
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Speaker 4 (02:01):
So.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Lamar Jackson has showed up to OTAs.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
He is there.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Uh, he is with the Baltimore Ravens. He's there now.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
John Harbaugh did talk about, you know, the importance of
everybody being there. He would like everybody involved, Mark andrews Odell,
Beckham Junior. They are currently working out in Arizona, so
they are not there, but Lamar Jackson is there after
missing the first day or so, what do you miss specifically?
Was it just the first day or do he miss
the first two days of voluntary OTAs?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Whatever?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Was he missed the start? So so he just missed
the first day now here, here's my question. Sure, because
he said that he wanted to be there, and he
you know, obviously they've got a new offense to learn
and all that gang, So the importance of him being
there is trying to get accustomed to everybody and all
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the surrounding pieces and parts.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
And all that.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
But shouldn't that be every year if you're a quarterback,
like do players at these two that are taking part
in this kind of give the side eye to even
veteran quarterbacks who aren't there for voluntary OTAs like it
feels like it might be perceived as a bad look
quote unquote if the starting quarterback of the team is
not partaking while you've got you know, sixty seventy eighty percent.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Of the roster they're working out with the team.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
It depends.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
I mean, I think if you've been there a long
time and you're you know, comfortable and confident enough with
the offense, it's not mandatory.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
We've seen other guys not be there and do it.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
I think the only thing that would cause you to
be a bit concerned is you do have a new offense.
You know, Todd Munkin's there now calling plays for Baltimore,
which is different.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
That's part of it.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
And then you've got new additions to the team. You've
got Odell Beckham, you've got Nelson Aguilar, you've got Zay
Flowers a draft pick, and so you want to develop chemistry.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
With those guys and it's going to take time.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
You know, you need all the reps you can get
because you really just don't get.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Them as much as you used to. So I don't
you know, I'd look at it and say, it's not
that big of a deal, but you'd like Lamar to
be there, you know, with those things in consideration.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
But look, if some of those guys aren't even there,
if Obj and Mark Andrews and guys are working somewhere else,
then it's kind of tough because you could be just
working out with them, you know, getting down the timing
in chemistry, or you be with.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
You know, the rest of the team.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
But I think after the investment the team made in him,
they'd probably like him to be around. You know, your
quarterback a lot of times is what the leaders and
sets the culture and sets kind of the precedent. And
so that's probably more from at least the ownership standpoint,
what they'd like to see, and especially with with monk
and they're in a new offense, which Lamar is well
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aware of that. I mean, it's why he missed a day.
I think he was at least there for the second one.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, I think there's more than enough reasons for everyone
to be there, right, Like, even if you work out
in different places. The team underperformed last year. Obj's fighting
for his career. You know, you're you're a newbie. I
don't even know if rookies have I don't know the
rules anymore. It used to be like during graduation or
doing something like that, rookies were excused and stuff like
(05:17):
that and or whatever. But for the most part, and
you get rookie mini camp rookie like OTAs and stuff
like that, you know, you're pretty much and and and
they're getting contracts. Don't wait earlier with rookies just because
of the whole way wait. You know, rookie contracts are
done anymore, so you don't really have holdout or negotiation.
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You know, situations taking place where there's a reason for
the rookie not to be in OTAs or many camps.
I don't even know. Do they still have many camps?
Like is it? Does it still go like yeah, yeah,
I just don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
I actually missed my graduation because we had a rookie
minute camp, So I was.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
That's a commitment. Well that was before they gave you options,
you know, that was you know, well.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I'm not gonna say I was gonna say that would
be a little controversial.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Now they're like everyone's like, you know, highlighting and being like,
you know, you got people in the front office standing
next to players at graduation.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
They're like, no, this is great, Like players are graduating.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
I'm like, back in our day, they was like, if
you're graduating, yeah, yeah, you're not walking. You need to
get your ass in the huddle and then come here
to rookie mini camps.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
That graduation ain't paying you what we paying you get
your ass in here. That's I mean. But but again,
I guess back to the original point is you have
so much going on in Baltimore. If they really want
to have the type of season that they're they're probably
all expecting to have. I mean, this was a team
coming into last season. A lot of people were high
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on them for being a Super Bowl contender, including myself,
So to come up as short as they did, I
would assume everybody's going to be there and and if
you're not there, then I would I would ask the
question to you, guys, doesn't that expose your commitment level?
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Like even if you are a guy like and I
get it, guys train where they train, they want to
train with their trainers and stuff like, I get all that,
I really do. Obj's not being there's kind of weird, right,
that's weird because you're fighting for your career, like show
this team that you want, Like I want to be here.
I'm going to be here, and there's no reason for
you to cut me or anything like that, because for
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what it's worth, you could get a contract and still
get cut from the team. I mean, you're not guaranteed
you're going to be on that team come come final
roster cuts. It's not guaranteed you be on that team
come first second game.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Pass.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Like if they get off to a rocky start, objs
ast probably one of the first ones they get rid of.
So I mean, to me, I think there's just so
much at stake for the Ravens and Cincinnati seemed to
distance themselves from the rest of the teams in the
AFC North. You know, I don't feel like the Steelers
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are going to stay down for long. I don't know
when that turnaround comes, but I just don't feel like
they're going to stay where they're at for long. So
they're going to improve. I mean, you got you got
massage Watson coming in for a full season this year.
I don't know what that's going on. I don't know
what that looks like, but you would assume.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
He's coming in for one hundred and twenty minute massage.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I mean, I don't I would assume they're going to
our man, I'm assuming that they're going to be better.
I ventured a guess he doesn't make it that.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Far the massage.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Wowain to take the No, that would be the way.
I don't know, but it just is kind of weird
that Obj, in the spot he's at in his career
would not be just not there. Yeah, you know, it's
kind of odd.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Mean, I mean, the first thing that comes to mind
and without and forgive me if for some strange reason
there's a legitimate, valid reason why he's not there, Like
let me first preface that. But if I'm just going
off of surface level and this could be irresponsible, but
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it just comes across as diva ish like it sounds
like you're a diva and that's not what we want
to deal with if you're looking at re emerging and
wanting him to be a major part of what that,
you know, getting back on track looks like because.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
John Harbus said when they were asking him about Mark
Andrews and OBJ not being there, he said, I don't
have any problem with that.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
You don't worry about it much. But that's what he's
saying deep down.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
That's got to piss John Harber off that, like, we
gave him this money, we're trying to put a new
offense together. Everybody got paid, everybody should be here. It
probably bothered him that Lamar Jackson wasn't there the first day,
like so like that That's why I just look at
it and I go, if this is a big year,
as you point out, LeVar, and this is a transition
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into a new offense and everything that comes along with it,
I would hope everybody would be as invested in this
team as we've been invested in that.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
If you're to head coach, you gotta be thinking that
as the leader, as the ultimate leader of the team,
you got to be thinking that as a GM you
gotta be thinking that.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Well, because we also know a couple of things.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Not that John Harbaugh in any way, shape or forman
is on the hot seat, but with Lamar's contract he
just signed, he's sure as heck isn't either, Like they're
not moving on from him, even if you played poorly,
got injured, whatever the case is, at least for three years.
The way this contract is structured, like they are invested
into Lamar Jackson for sure for the next three years,
(10:42):
maybe you could say, heading into year four. And so
if things don't work out of the course the next
couple of seasons.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Who do you think they're gonna blame? They're gonna put
on John Harbaugh.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Yeah, And so, like I can see where he's probably
frustrated because in his mind, with everything that's gone on
this offseason, and you know, it's it was it took
such a long it felt like it took a long
time to put put together an extension. He's thinking, well,
all right, we paid the guy, we gave him what
he wanted. Now, you know, now we have certain expectations
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out of him, and we got a new offensive coordinator.
We brought him these pieces, and then he doesn't show
up and if any if we need anyone to show
up to set the standard or be the leader, it's him.
So look, we don't know why he didn't show up
for the first one.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Maybe he was.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Working out with some of the guys in Arizona, right,
Maybe there's another legitimate excuse. Like I don't want to
make too much of it, but I'm sure it doesn't
sit well with ownership. I'm sure it doesn't sit well
with you know, the head coach or the front office.
After you pay a guy that and you've got certain
expectations and you know, day one and something that's voluntary
where he doesn't have to be there, but he should
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be there and he's not. That that can't be a
good feeling.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
How much can you get done as a quarterback with
an off in this amount of time that you have
together in OTAs before you guys take off and you
come back.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
You get a lot done.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
I mean, this is so this is what people fail to,
like not realize everything you're doing right now all right
in OTAs that's gonna basically be crammed together. Then once
you get your little mini camp that comes in June,
and then once the mini camp's.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Over and all that. They basically compile OTAs.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
And mini camp from this time of year and that's
your installs for training camp. So it's all just review,
like everything you do in training camps, review of what
you did in OTAs in mini camp.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
So it really is the foundation to the offense.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
You're working on the timing and rhythm to a lot
of the past plays and anything where there's gonna be
drastic change of what you're looking to accomplish. It starts
now and you know you went through phase one, phase
two of the off season where you can't really do that.
You know you're out and you're not actually out there practicing.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Now, no one's like.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
Banging right now, but you know in phase one phase two,
it's just working out. It's it's classroom stuff, it's film.
You're not actually on the field and able to at
the facility do what you could do in OTAs. You know,
OTA's is practice, so you actually get the chance to
go out there on the field and start working on that,
and especially with a new coach start you know, working
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with him about how he envisions seeing this.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
You know, the offense play out.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
That's what makes it important because you only get so
many opportunities this time of year to do that.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
And so you can always recall that when you get
together in August, like, hey, remember when we did this.
This is why. So it's just record of a sort
of a rehash to what you did. That's interesting. I
didn't know that's how it worked. How about that? By
the way, also, can I give a little bit of
credit here? And I was going to bring this up
yesterday and I forgot Brady Quinn made the call of
all calls maybe in the history of this show when
(13:51):
he sort of threw this out that John Harbaugh and
Brock Purty look identical. Dude, father son, unbelievable. Let me see, Okay,
if you pull up a picture of Brock, let.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Me see Brock. I know what Harball looks like. I
don't even know. I don't know what brock Party looks
It's pretty fantastic.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
And I think brock Party has grown his hair out
a little bit as well too.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Uh So, let me uh, let me be a good.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
One here, good efforting, efforting. What wouldn't say we're doing
right now? We're all right vegging. Yeah, that's pretty good.
It's weird.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
You.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Yeah, people who have no relation.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
But they could be like father son, Yeah, I mean
that could be like a reality TV show.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
That should be a show.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
You just never know sometimes, man, they don't have that shift,
you know.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Airing on Fox one, NFL coach finds out he's actually
got a son.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I'm trying to find out the connections here, and I
don't see any that would be that would really stand.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
His mom's name Webery night on Fox. What do you mean,
is that is his mom's name Party Harbor? Or is
a hard copy with heraldo? Is it hurdy r Parba
the exclusive Listen.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
There was that conspiracy theory that was out last year
that Jimmy Butler is Michael Jordan's son, and now they're
putting that out there again.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I mean, I mean, he's they look they do look
a lot alike.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Just well, you know, it's probably a chance, right.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, I mean there is great basket. He kind of
looks more like Mike, Mike, Mike than even his own kids.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
I told you a story with my teammates when one
of his girls they have.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Gotten the fight and then all of a sudden she
came walking to the club with Mike.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Mike.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Oh, they call him if you want.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
They called Mike Mike like, there's everyone knows Mike. What
do you say Mike. Mike is like no, no, no, talk
about Michael Jordan. And he was like, well, I guess
that relationship's over with. She's with Mike.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Mike.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
My buddy told me a story that one of his
friends that he like, I went to college with or whatever,
that he had been dating this girl for quite a
while and they had broken up for a short time,
and he found out that during that short time she
started hanging out with Dante Hall while he was in
his prime like the human Joystick and in the NFL
returning Kicks and all that and uh.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And asked him.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I was like, so, did they end up getting back together?
He goes, no, he never even tried. It was like,
I'm not even going to go down that road. I
don't even want to. Like that that ship has sailed,
She's on to greener pastures. I don't even want to
try whether or not it lasted or not. That's that's
pretty huge.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Revenge to revenge tour.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah vene for one two. Yeah, see you're too good
looking us ugly dudes. I had a revenge a revenge
for what well you made?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Were you? What were? What was the revenge for.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
For everybody who didn't like me when I was younger? Yeah?
Make T shirt every name checked off the list? What
about every name was checked out? T shirts with all
the tour dates on the back State College, Norfolk. No,
(17:25):
it didn't happen in State College. It is all Pittsburgh. Okay.
Now everybody in Pittsburgh knows too, and you know exactly
who you are.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
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Speaker 1 (17:55):
That's next here on FSR.
Speaker 8 (17:57):
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we turn it over to Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter
at the MMQB. You can also get him on Twitter
at Albert Breer. A Thursday tradition, big Al, what's happening?
Speaker 6 (18:33):
What's up, guys?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
What up? Just hanging out now?
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Al?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
I got to ask you at these meetings during the
course of the week, was the Thursday night flexing the
most contentious part of all the votes that were being
had or what was your takeaway from there?
Speaker 9 (18:48):
I actually don't think it was the most contentious. I
think the most contentious was sharply over the kickoff role
and all the lobbying that went on there and everything else.
But yeah, I mean the Thursday at flex is definitely,
you know, a point of contention amongst some of the owners.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
And what's so interesting about that one, guys, is.
Speaker 9 (19:07):
If you look at the teams who voted against it, right,
it was twenty four to eight the Giants, the Packers,
the Steelers, the Bears, the Lions, the Raiders. It's legacy franchises,
it's families that have owned teams forever.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
And you know, I think the reality is the NFL
is team.
Speaker 9 (19:27):
Driven now by you know, these these ownership groups that
come from big money and want to operate the league
as big business. And you know, whether it's player safety
to go to the fans, none of that matters as
much anymore as continuing to grow the revenue of the game.
And you know that's sort of Roger Goodell's mandate now,
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so you know, where they wouldn't have been able to
pass that back in March, now they're able to pass it.
And there are a lot of reasons why they shouldn't
do it, but the one reason they should do it,
which is to make more money and to play Kate
Amazon and to make sure that streaming partners remain engaged,
is the most important thing.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
What's so interesting about this one, guys.
Speaker 9 (20:11):
I know I'm being a little long winded with this answer,
but somebody brought up a great point to me about
this is that the streaming partners, well, you got to
keep them happy because they don't need the.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
NFL the way the networks do.
Speaker 9 (20:23):
You know, ABC and Fox and CBS and NBC, they
need live sports. People aren't watching over the air fellows.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
The same way they used to be. Amazon, Netflix, you know,
Apple TV. They don't need sports that way.
Speaker 9 (20:39):
And so you know, the NFL knows that it's where
everything's going, and they know they have to keep those
specific partners happy.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
I'll challenge that though, because because I think that's because
here's the thing is, eventually the streaming will need live
sports like you can.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
You can say.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Whatever you want about you know, cord cutting and where
things are going, but we're not there yet. Like there
are conferences in college football who thought streaming was gonna
bail them out, and they thought they were gonna get
these big rights fees and it wasn't from broadcast partners.
They thought it was gonna be from streaming partners, the
PAC twelve specifically, and it never came. And the reason
(21:17):
why it never came is because I personally don't feel
like we're there. I know there's other professional leagues like
the NWSL, which is the Women's Professional Soccer League d MLS.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
They've gone on that idea, but the reality.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Is that's a fractured subscription that some fans of those
teams are gonna sign up for, but you're leaving out
a large majority of people who now aren't gonna watch
because they don't they don't want to have to pay
to have access to that specific.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Team, or you know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Like, I think, I think the idea that streaming partners
are gonna come at some point and be the future
of the league, I think that's further away than most realize.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
Yeah, I would agree with that mostly, But the thing.
Speaker 9 (22:02):
Is, Brady, the NFL has to build towards that, you
know what I mean. And we may be ten or
fifteen years away from what you're talking about, but like,
eventually the NFL is going to need the streaming partners.
They don't need them now, but they're eventually going to
need them. And they need them to bid on these
now because they want to keep driving the prices up,
but eventually they're going to need them periods. And the
(22:24):
question is, like you said, is whether or not those
streaming partners are going.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
To need live sports the way the networks do now.
Speaker 9 (22:33):
And I don't know, I mean, you know the model
that the live television model is trivened by ad revenue.
It's hard to get anybody to watch anything live anymore.
And that's because in the age of DBRs and again
streaming and all the different options everybody has, it's just
hard to get people to you know, sit down at
a certain time and watch TV. And you know, live
(22:54):
sports is the one thing that makes people do that.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
And is there ever going to be.
Speaker 9 (22:59):
A reason why you know, your Apple TV or your Netflix,
your your your Amazon are gonna need live sports that way?
Speaker 6 (23:07):
It's possible. It's definitely, well.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Look at it for the same reasons you're making for
the leagues. You're basically saying, well, they the leagues like,
obviously they need to continue to keep driving up revenue.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
That's what the.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
NFL wants to do. So do the streaming part of platforms.
I mean you look at Netflix. Now, Netflix, we just
talked about this yesterday. Now, if you're somebody who's not
a user in the account, you're gonna get charged seven
ninety nine a month if they find out about it
that they're adding in ad.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Subscriptions as well.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
It's all if it shifts all to streaming at some point,
that's fine, but it's all gonna be a similar revenue
model of what cable used to be. It's just now
gonna be on a streaming platform. You're gonna have your subscriptions,
you're gonna have your ad revenue, You're gonna have everything
that comes from it. I mean, live sports is always
going to exist in some capacity because of live betting,
Like that's what's gonna drive it, especially as gambling continues.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
To come influenced.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Like I don't want to get off on a tangent
on this, it's just I think if that's what you
feel like it is, it's the new money who's now
driving the league. Do you feel like that's a really
dangerous thing for the NFL moving forward where they can
find themselves almost creating a league.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
That it's the NFL.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
It's dominating now, but in twenty years from now, could
it be overtaken by something else because of some of
the decisions they're making right now.
Speaker 9 (24:22):
Yeah, And I think that that's what the and I
think that's why you see the feeling like the families
that have decades and decades and decades of background and
doing this, that's why they're the ones that are tapping
the brakes. I absolutely think that that's like a piece
of this is those families saying, all right, so like
(24:46):
now we're going to take our best teams and put
them in multiple short weeks. What does it mean to
the actual players, like the star players? Are those star
players going to be in the best position to compete
at the highest level when we get to our biggest
stage in January February for the playoffs? Right, Like if
Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelcey and Chris Jones are playing
(25:07):
a short week in November and then they get flexed
into a short week in December, like what sort of
shape are those guys going to be in to be
at their very best in January and February.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
So that's one question.
Speaker 9 (25:17):
I think the second question is looking at who you're
pissing off here, And yet it's a small percentage of
fans that are the ones that are going to go,
you know, on on on trips with their buddies to
games in December, and they're the ones that get screwed
if the game gets flexed to Thursday, or Thursday game
gets flex a Sunday or if a Monday game gets
flexed a Sunday.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
They're the ones that get screwed.
Speaker 9 (25:39):
And the NFL is making the bet that, well, you
got you guys are going to come back anyway like
we have you, so we don't need to worry about that, right,
But there is there something to that, like the idea
of pissing off your biggest fans, your core fans, right
and if they don't come out to the stadium anymore,
well what does that mean?
Speaker 6 (25:58):
You know?
Speaker 9 (25:59):
So you know, I think that that's where again, like
the families that have had these teams through generations have
some wisdom when it comes to this stuff.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
And I'm with you one.
Speaker 9 (26:10):
Hundred percent that there certainly is risks that I think
certain NFL owners are ignoring and driving all of this.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Abe, I'm gonna switch gears on you, and I'm gonna
ask you about the whole turf situation. I do reads
and talk about the turf versus natural grass debate. I mean,
this is a real thing, right that, the conversation of it,
the approach of it. Where are things at with that?
(26:43):
Because there are a lot of different philosophies that are surrounding,
you know, artificial turf and why it has become such
a major part of a professional and even college and
even high school playing surfaces. But now the whole idea
of going back to natural grass, where where are things
(27:03):
on that?
Speaker 9 (27:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (27:05):
I mean I think it's something that well, I mean
for the players, and you guys can speak to this
better than me, you know. I.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
I don't know if you you would have played on the.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I played on astro turf at one.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
Yeah, you played, You played on the old I was.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Going to say, play I played in three rivers in college.
Speaker 10 (27:26):
Right, Brady, you would, but you would have played on
the new turf too, Brady.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Right like when I played a BC, that tin box
of a stadium that was astro turf. When when I
when I played the Carrier Dome for Syracuse, when walter
reyis ran for like a bajillion yards against US, that
was on astro turf.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
They had like a trap door around like the thirty
five yard line.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
I'll never forget like stepping on it and being like huh,
sounds hollow and literally you could rip up the turf
and look and there was like a drop down like
I don't know where that.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Went, but it was like the tunnel to nowhere.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
But yes, we were we were around long enough to
play on the way they created like what they called
the grass tip artificial turf, like definitely in the flubber Like, yeah,
I was, we were definitely around for that.
Speaker 10 (28:14):
I remember the g well. I remember the I played
on the old turf in high school and I can
remember the burns and what that felt like having a shower.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah, the next day it was on fire.
Speaker 10 (28:28):
Yeah, I got guys, I think, like talking to players
about this, like it's it's the injury risk, of course,
you know, but it's also how they feel, you know,
Like I I just get the sense, like from players
who you know, played on this stuff a lot, that
there's just a certain soreness and toll it takes in
your body day to day beyond just the serious injuries,
(28:51):
and no one seems to like playing on it, you know.
And I think it's even like it's it's interesting to
look at a couple of things like how many teams
that have field turf on their state in their stadiums,
how many of those teams practice on natural grass? Right,
you think you'd want to practice what you play on,
what you play on, but yet like a lot of
these teams practice on grass right. Why is that, Well,
(29:12):
because the teams know it takes less of a toll
on the players' bodies. You know, why are these teams
willing to bring in natural grass to accommodate soccer teams?
You know, international soccer teams come over here, the World
Cup w be here what in three years? And you know,
to accommodate the soccer teams, all these NFL teams bring
in natural grass because the soccer teams and the soccer
(29:36):
leagues demand it. You know, I think we all know
what this is about, which is the price point of
NFL teams and the price point of NFL stadiums has
gotten to a point where you can't justify having one
of those stadiums all games, eight regular season games, in
two preseason games or nine and one every year. Right,
It just doesn't work. The economics of it don't work anymore.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
So more and more, where.
Speaker 10 (30:00):
All these owners have wanted to pack those stadiums with
tons and tons and tons of events, Well what happens then?
Then it becomes harder to maintain a grass field.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
And so what's the solution.
Speaker 10 (30:13):
You rip up the You rip of the grass, put
up cut down turf and put every event under the
sun in your stadium. And I think, like the two
that kind of stick out to me as places that
should never have artificial turf, but now do. Are Tennessee
and Carolina, right, Like Charlotte and Nashville should have natural
grass based on the climates they're in. You should be
(30:34):
able to make that work. And like that those teams
went to turf tells you everything about where the league
is right now. And by the way, there are ways
to make it work, like Green Bay and Northern Wisconsin
is able to maintain a grass surface, right. Why is
that because they don't have an owner who's pocketing the difference? Right,
Look a look over in Europe, you know, and a
(30:54):
lot of teams now I've talked to Nick Bosa about
this is really militant about the grass versus turf things.
He's like, well, how come all these European soccer teams
to make it work playing football and it's not the same.
I understand that, But like I think, if you're willing
to invest, you know, in finding solutions, you guys, just
see what Real Madrid did with their field.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
There are ways to make it work.
Speaker 10 (31:14):
But you know, again, this comes back down the money
comes back down to putting a ton of events in
your stadium, and it comes down to the fact that,
you know, maintaining a turf field is a whole lot cheaper.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
Than than maintaining natural graph.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Who knew Albert was such a grass ex That's incredible.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
I know.
Speaker 10 (31:31):
I feel like I could have a terurf management degree
after the last couple of years.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Yeah, well what uh what the basketball coach? They put
that in your pipe and smoking? Yeah, you're doing that
with the grass.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Huh, Albert, we got to ask you.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Obviously, if anybody follows you on Twitter, they know how
passionate you are about the Boston Celtics. I'm just curious,
do you feel like, at the end of tonight's game,
but the heat that the Celtics world have won by
I don't know, more than eight and a half points.
Speaker 10 (32:04):
I'm gonna play that game again. Is it eight and
a half point line?
Speaker 9 (32:07):
No way, Wow, that seems high.
Speaker 10 (32:11):
I would say if the Celtics don't win, it probably
be like less than eight and a half point Pray,
are you a big you big heat guy?
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Now that you're down there.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Not a big heat guy. I would say that's one
of the most.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
More interesting things about being in a sports town like Florida,
which is a little more transient because you don't have
a ton of locals where they're like they're grow up,
you know, and they were like big fans of that team.
It is kind of cool when people move to a
place like that, though, they kind of adopt it and
it's it's it's almost like a melting pot of fans
from all over. But I am definitely rooting for the
(32:44):
Heat over you the rest of the Boston fans. Also
my in laws, so I'm definitely it's just really talking
trash to my in laws for the most part.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
You're in laws are big Celtics people.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Well, they're from Boston, so they are a big Bruins fans,
Celtics fans, Red Sox.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
All of it.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Any time my own team said, well.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
I don't hate them at all. No, not at all.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
It's it's more of just bragging rights, especially for the
spring where South Florida has dominated them so far.
Speaker 10 (33:10):
Yeah, that's true, that's true. That was not That was
not a great showing by the Bruins in the first round.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
It makes you feel a little bit better.
Speaker 10 (33:18):
The Tanthers, like actually are legit they've lost like one
game that series, right, Yeah, yeah, I think it's something
like that the Kets.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
All right, well, I'll listen. We'll be watching good stuff
as always. Get them on Twitter at Albert Brear. We
appreciate it and uh and we'll do it again next week.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Joe Heat, Joe Heat, Albert.
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Yea they are, Yeah, they're going to be moving around
(35:20):
a little bit that fan base because apparently the Penn
State and Michigan State game set for this fall in
college football. The game has been moved to a neutral site.
Now it was supposed to be at Michigan State, it's
going to be at Ford Field and Detroit on Black
Black Friday, and so Friday Berto Black from what do
(35:43):
you mean?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Wow, why you do that? Because that's what? Yeah? So
why is it so aggressively like disgusting for you?
Speaker 4 (35:53):
It's like the way you set it at the end
of it, the difference we.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Are in Sparti on Black Friday. Apparently the Big Ten
approached Michigan State about the move. They then spoke with
Ford Field, did Michigan State and the Michigan High School
Athletic Association, who shifted their championship games toill later that weekend.
So Michigan State's going to refund tickets and parking to
(36:19):
season ticket holders for the original game, and then they're
going to sell this as a standalone contest. So uh,
this is another let's present this on TV and in
a prime spot. It's going to be on NBC later
on that night. So you've got the NFL with Black
Friday games.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
You've got.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
You go so hard? What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, you know, I mean, what what else do you
call the day after Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I mean I'm just saying you, okay, well, like most
thanks well, no sounds good to me.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Well, the way this was presented via social media was
presented to you and what well no, I mean there
was just the way they talked about this was'd they
say it?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Yeah? They sit were they like, Yo, this is what's
happening on Friday.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
So from Penn State, Okay, from go PSU sports on.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Twitter, Okay, shouts out to go PSU under.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
The lights in Detroit, Penn State football at Michigan State Friday,
November twenty fourth, seven thirty pm, four field in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah. I didn't hear black Friday in there. Yeah, but
that's where I stepped in and add a little something
to it.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Critical this real quick with like the twenty seconds we have. Yeah,
I hate this though.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
College football and the atmosphere that's created by home stadiums
is what makes it so special.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
You're right, and I love that it's not our state.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
It's it's like whether it's Penn State or Michigan State.
This has obviously been in East Lansing. I played in
the East Lansing. I hate that is a tough place
to play never won there. Those fans are nasty. I've
told you all the mooning story. You know when they
mooned you. They don't just moon you, They spread the
you don't want to see that. You don't want to
see that they give you. Yeah, you'll you'll see way
(38:06):
too much. Like no one should ever, unless you're a proctologist,
No one should have to see that much.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Ye didn't even need this.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
What's you're the ass man? You know you shouldn't have
to see that.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
Yeah, but that takes away from the traditional college football
the atmosphere.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
This is NBC is doing too right.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
Yeah, NBC, which is a bit surprising because they've got
Notre Dame home games. They understand how how awesome that is.
They they're branching into the Big ten like they're missing
out on a big opportunity for a huge game in
East Lansing. I hate that for their Misigan state fans.
I hate that for college football.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, that's I love it for us because it's very
difficult to play in East Lancing.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
So there you go. Now you're going to Detroit and
we're going to go get it dub Yeah it already. Yeah,
calling it that.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Stays to be good this year, Man, Real good.
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Speaker 4 (02:01):
So.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Lamar Jackson has showed up to OTAs.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
He is there.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Uh, he is with the Baltimore Ravens. He's there now.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
John Harbaugh did talk about, you know, the importance of
everybody being there. He would like everybody involved, Mark andrews Odell,
Beckham Junior. They are currently working out in Arizona, so
they are not there, but Lamar Jackson is there after
missing the first day or so, what do you miss specifically?
Was it just the first day or do he miss
the first two days of voluntary OTAs?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Whatever?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Was he missed the start? So so he just missed
the first day now here, here's my question. Sure, because
he said that he wanted to be there, and he
you know, obviously they've got a new offense to learn
and all that gang, So the importance of him being
there is trying to get accustomed to everybody and all
(02:51):
the surrounding pieces and parts.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
And all that.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
But shouldn't that be every year if you're a quarterback,
like do players at these two that are taking part
in this kind of give the side eye to even
veteran quarterbacks who aren't there for voluntary OTAs like it
feels like it might be perceived as a bad look
quote unquote if the starting quarterback of the team is
not partaking while you've got you know, sixty seventy eighty percent.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Of the roster they're working out with the team.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
It depends.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
I mean, I think if you've been there a long
time and you're you know, comfortable and confident enough with
the offense, it's not mandatory.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
We've seen other guys not be there and do it.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
I think the only thing that would cause you to
be a bit concerned is you do have a new offense.
You know, Todd Munkin's there now calling plays for Baltimore,
which is different.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
That's part of it.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
And then you've got new additions to the team. You've
got Odell Beckham, you've got Nelson Aguilar, you've got Zay
Flowers a draft pick, and so you want to develop chemistry.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
With those guys and it's going to take time.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
You know, you need all the reps you can get
because you really just don't get.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Them as much as you used to. So I don't
you know, I'd look at it and say, it's not
that big of a deal, but you'd like Lamar to
be there, you know, with those things in consideration.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
But look, if some of those guys aren't even there,
if Obj and Mark Andrews and guys are working somewhere else,
then it's kind of tough because you could be just
working out with them, you know, getting down the timing
in chemistry, or you be with.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
You know, the rest of the team.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
But I think after the investment the team made in him,
they'd probably like him to be around. You know, your
quarterback a lot of times is what the leaders and
sets the culture and sets kind of the precedent. And
so that's probably more from at least the ownership standpoint,
what they'd like to see, and especially with with monk
and they're in a new offense, which Lamar is well
(04:48):
aware of that. I mean, it's why he missed a day.
I think he was at least there for the second one.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, I think there's more than enough reasons for everyone
to be there, right, Like, even if you work out
in different places. The team underperformed last year. Obj's fighting
for his career. You know, you're you're a newbie. I
don't even know if rookies have I don't know the
rules anymore. It used to be like during graduation or
doing something like that, rookies were excused and stuff like
(05:17):
that and or whatever. But for the most part, and
you get rookie mini camp rookie like OTAs and stuff
like that, you know, you're pretty much and and and
they're getting contracts. Don't wait earlier with rookies just because
of the whole way wait. You know, rookie contracts are
done anymore, so you don't really have holdout or negotiation.
(05:37):
You know, situations taking place where there's a reason for
the rookie not to be in OTAs or many camps.
I don't even know. Do they still have many camps?
Like is it? Does it still go like yeah, yeah,
I just don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
I actually missed my graduation because we had a rookie
minute camp, So I was.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
That's a commitment. Well that was before they gave you options,
you know, that was you know, well.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I'm not gonna say I was gonna say that would
be a little controversial.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Now they're like everyone's like, you know, highlighting and being like,
you know, you got people in the front office standing
next to players at graduation.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
They're like, no, this is great, Like players are graduating.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
I'm like, back in our day, they was like, if
you're graduating, yeah, yeah, you're not walking. You need to
get your ass in the huddle and then come here
to rookie mini camps.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
That graduation ain't paying you what we paying you get
your ass in here. That's I mean. But but again,
I guess back to the original point is you have
so much going on in Baltimore. If they really want
to have the type of season that they're they're probably
all expecting to have. I mean, this was a team
coming into last season. A lot of people were high
(06:44):
on them for being a Super Bowl contender, including myself,
So to come up as short as they did, I
would assume everybody's going to be there and and if
you're not there, then I would I would ask the
question to you, guys, doesn't that expose your commitment level?
(07:05):
Like even if you are a guy like and I
get it, guys train where they train, they want to
train with their trainers and stuff like, I get all that,
I really do. Obj's not being there's kind of weird, right,
that's weird because you're fighting for your career, like show
this team that you want, Like I want to be here.
I'm going to be here, and there's no reason for
you to cut me or anything like that, because for
(07:27):
what it's worth, you could get a contract and still
get cut from the team. I mean, you're not guaranteed
you're going to be on that team come come final
roster cuts. It's not guaranteed you be on that team
come first second game.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Pass.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Like if they get off to a rocky start, objs
ast probably one of the first ones they get rid of.
So I mean, to me, I think there's just so
much at stake for the Ravens and Cincinnati seemed to
distance themselves from the rest of the teams in the
AFC North. You know, I don't feel like the Steelers
(08:01):
are going to stay down for long. I don't know
when that turnaround comes, but I just don't feel like
they're going to stay where they're at for long. So
they're going to improve. I mean, you got you got
massage Watson coming in for a full season this year.
I don't know what that's going on. I don't know
what that looks like, but you would assume.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
He's coming in for one hundred and twenty minute massage.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I mean, I don't I would assume they're going to
our man, I'm assuming that they're going to be better.
I ventured a guess he doesn't make it that.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Far the massage.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Wowain to take the No, that would be the way.
I don't know, but it just is kind of weird
that Obj, in the spot he's at in his career
would not be just not there. Yeah, you know, it's
kind of odd.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Mean, I mean, the first thing that comes to mind
and without and forgive me if for some strange reason
there's a legitimate, valid reason why he's not there, Like
let me first preface that. But if I'm just going
off of surface level and this could be irresponsible, but
(09:09):
it just comes across as diva ish like it sounds
like you're a diva and that's not what we want
to deal with if you're looking at re emerging and
wanting him to be a major part of what that,
you know, getting back on track looks like because.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
John Harbus said when they were asking him about Mark
Andrews and OBJ not being there, he said, I don't
have any problem with that.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
You don't worry about it much. But that's what he's
saying deep down.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
That's got to piss John Harber off that, like, we
gave him this money, we're trying to put a new
offense together. Everybody got paid, everybody should be here. It
probably bothered him that Lamar Jackson wasn't there the first day,
like so like that That's why I just look at
it and I go, if this is a big year,
as you point out, LeVar, and this is a transition
(10:00):
into a new offense and everything that comes along with it,
I would hope everybody would be as invested in this
team as we've been invested in that.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
If you're to head coach, you gotta be thinking that
as the leader, as the ultimate leader of the team,
you got to be thinking that as a GM you
gotta be thinking that.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Well, because we also know a couple of things.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Not that John Harbaugh in any way, shape or forman
is on the hot seat, but with Lamar's contract he
just signed, he's sure as heck isn't either, Like they're
not moving on from him, even if you played poorly,
got injured, whatever the case is, at least for three years.
The way this contract is structured, like they are invested
into Lamar Jackson for sure for the next three years,
(10:42):
maybe you could say, heading into year four. And so
if things don't work out of the course the next
couple of seasons.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Who do you think they're gonna blame? They're gonna put
on John Harbaugh.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Yeah, And so, like I can see where he's probably
frustrated because in his mind, with everything that's gone on
this offseason, and you know, it's it was it took
such a long it felt like it took a long
time to put put together an extension. He's thinking, well,
all right, we paid the guy, we gave him what
he wanted. Now, you know, now we have certain expectations
(11:13):
out of him, and we got a new offensive coordinator.
We brought him these pieces, and then he doesn't show
up and if any if we need anyone to show
up to set the standard or be the leader, it's him.
So look, we don't know why he didn't show up
for the first one.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Maybe he was.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Working out with some of the guys in Arizona, right,
Maybe there's another legitimate excuse. Like I don't want to
make too much of it, but I'm sure it doesn't
sit well with ownership. I'm sure it doesn't sit well
with you know, the head coach or the front office.
After you pay a guy that and you've got certain
expectations and you know, day one and something that's voluntary
where he doesn't have to be there, but he should
(11:54):
be there and he's not. That that can't be a
good feeling.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
How much can you get done as a quarterback with
an off in this amount of time that you have
together in OTAs before you guys take off and you
come back.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
You get a lot done.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
I mean, this is so this is what people fail to,
like not realize everything you're doing right now all right
in OTAs that's gonna basically be crammed together. Then once
you get your little mini camp that comes in June,
and then once the mini camp's.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Over and all that. They basically compile OTAs.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
And mini camp from this time of year and that's
your installs for training camp. So it's all just review,
like everything you do in training camps, review of what
you did in OTAs in mini camp.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
So it really is the foundation to the offense.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
You're working on the timing and rhythm to a lot
of the past plays and anything where there's gonna be
drastic change of what you're looking to accomplish. It starts
now and you know you went through phase one, phase
two of the off season where you can't really do that.
You know you're out and you're not actually out there practicing.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Now, no one's like.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
Banging right now, but you know in phase one phase two,
it's just working out. It's it's classroom stuff, it's film.
You're not actually on the field and able to at
the facility do what you could do in OTAs. You know,
OTA's is practice, so you actually get the chance to
go out there on the field and start working on that,
and especially with a new coach start you know, working
(13:20):
with him about how he envisions seeing this.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
You know, the offense play out.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
That's what makes it important because you only get so
many opportunities this time of year to do that.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
And so you can always recall that when you get
together in August, like, hey, remember when we did this.
This is why. So it's just record of a sort
of a rehash to what you did. That's interesting. I
didn't know that's how it worked. How about that? By
the way, also, can I give a little bit of
credit here? And I was going to bring this up
yesterday and I forgot Brady Quinn made the call of
all calls maybe in the history of this show when
(13:51):
he sort of threw this out that John Harbaugh and
Brock Purty look identical. Dude, father son, unbelievable. Let me see, Okay,
if you pull up a picture of Brock, let.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Me see Brock. I know what Harball looks like. I
don't even know. I don't know what brock Party looks
It's pretty fantastic.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
And I think brock Party has grown his hair out
a little bit as well too.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Uh So, let me uh, let me be a good.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
One here, good efforting, efforting. What wouldn't say we're doing
right now? We're all right vegging. Yeah, that's pretty good.
It's weird.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
You.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Yeah, people who have no relation.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
But they could be like father son, Yeah, I mean
that could be like a reality TV show.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
That should be a show.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
You just never know sometimes, man, they don't have that shift,
you know.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Airing on Fox one, NFL coach finds out he's actually
got a son.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I'm trying to find out the connections here, and I
don't see any that would be that would really stand.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
His mom's name Webery night on Fox. What do you mean,
is that is his mom's name Party Harbor? Or is
a hard copy with heraldo? Is it hurdy r Parba
the exclusive Listen.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
There was that conspiracy theory that was out last year
that Jimmy Butler is Michael Jordan's son, and now they're
putting that out there again.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I mean, I mean, he's they look they do look
a lot alike.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Just well, you know, it's probably a chance, right.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, I mean there is great basket. He kind of
looks more like Mike, Mike, Mike than even his own kids.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
I told you a story with my teammates when one
of his girls they have.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Gotten the fight and then all of a sudden she
came walking to the club with Mike.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Mike.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Oh, they call him if you want.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
They called Mike Mike like, there's everyone knows Mike. What
do you say Mike. Mike is like no, no, no, talk
about Michael Jordan. And he was like, well, I guess
that relationship's over with. She's with Mike.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Mike.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
My buddy told me a story that one of his
friends that he like, I went to college with or whatever,
that he had been dating this girl for quite a
while and they had broken up for a short time,
and he found out that during that short time she
started hanging out with Dante Hall while he was in
his prime like the human Joystick and in the NFL
returning Kicks and all that and uh.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And asked him.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I was like, so, did they end up getting back together?
He goes, no, he never even tried. It was like,
I'm not even going to go down that road. I
don't even want to. Like that that ship has sailed,
She's on to greener pastures. I don't even want to
try whether or not it lasted or not. That's that's
pretty huge.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Revenge to revenge tour.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah vene for one two. Yeah, see you're too good
looking us ugly dudes. I had a revenge a revenge
for what well you made?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Were you? What were? What was the revenge for.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
For everybody who didn't like me when I was younger? Yeah?
Make T shirt every name checked off the list? What
about every name was checked out? T shirts with all
the tour dates on the back State College, Norfolk. No,
(17:25):
it didn't happen in State College. It is all Pittsburgh. Okay.
Now everybody in Pittsburgh knows too, and you know exactly
who you are.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joey're on
Fox Sports Radio, Lebar Arrington, Brady Gwinn, Jonas talks with you.
All right, this so uh coming up next from the
tyraq dot com studios, I'm really going to do. We're
going to find out how feisty things got at these
NFL meetings earlier in the week, and we'll get inside
(17:53):
information on all that for you here.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
That's next here on FSR.
Speaker 8 (17:57):
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Speaker 3 (18:11):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here on FSR
coming up in about twenty minutes from now. A fan
base in the world of football got screwed, absolutely screwed.
We'll tell you who that is again twenty minutes from
now from the tiraq dot com studios. But right now
we turn it over to Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter
at the MMQB. You can also get him on Twitter
at Albert Breer. A Thursday tradition, big Al, what's happening?
Speaker 6 (18:33):
What's up, guys?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
What up? Just hanging out now?
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Al?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
I got to ask you at these meetings during the
course of the week, was the Thursday night flexing the
most contentious part of all the votes that were being
had or what was your takeaway from there?
Speaker 9 (18:48):
I actually don't think it was the most contentious. I
think the most contentious was sharply over the kickoff role
and all the lobbying that went on there and everything else.
But yeah, I mean the Thursday at flex is definitely,
you know, a point of contention amongst some of the owners.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
And what's so interesting about that one, guys, is.
Speaker 9 (19:07):
If you look at the teams who voted against it, right,
it was twenty four to eight the Giants, the Packers,
the Steelers, the Bears, the Lions, the Raiders. It's legacy franchises,
it's families that have owned teams forever.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
And you know, I think the reality is the NFL
is team.
Speaker 9 (19:27):
Driven now by you know, these these ownership groups that
come from big money and want to operate the league
as big business. And you know, whether it's player safety
to go to the fans, none of that matters as
much anymore as continuing to grow the revenue of the game.
And you know that's sort of Roger Goodell's mandate now,
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so you know, where they wouldn't have been able to
pass that back in March, now they're able to pass it.
And there are a lot of reasons why they shouldn't
do it, but the one reason they should do it,
which is to make more money and to play Kate
Amazon and to make sure that streaming partners remain engaged,
is the most important thing.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
What's so interesting about this one, guys.
Speaker 9 (20:11):
I know I'm being a little long winded with this answer,
but somebody brought up a great point to me about
this is that the streaming partners, well, you got to
keep them happy because they don't need the.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
NFL the way the networks do.
Speaker 9 (20:23):
You know, ABC and Fox and CBS and NBC, they
need live sports. People aren't watching over the air fellows.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
The same way they used to be. Amazon, Netflix, you know,
Apple TV. They don't need sports that way.
Speaker 9 (20:39):
And so you know, the NFL knows that it's where
everything's going, and they know they have to keep those
specific partners happy.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
I'll challenge that though, because because I think that's because
here's the thing is, eventually the streaming will need live
sports like you can.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
You can say.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Whatever you want about you know, cord cutting and where
things are going, but we're not there yet. Like there
are conferences in college football who thought streaming was gonna
bail them out, and they thought they were gonna get
these big rights fees and it wasn't from broadcast partners.
They thought it was gonna be from streaming partners, the
PAC twelve specifically, and it never came. And the reason
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why it never came is because I personally don't feel
like we're there. I know there's other professional leagues like
the NWSL, which is the Women's Professional Soccer League d MLS.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
They've gone on that idea, but the reality.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Is that's a fractured subscription that some fans of those
teams are gonna sign up for, but you're leaving out
a large majority of people who now aren't gonna watch
because they don't they don't want to have to pay
to have access to that specific.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Team, or you know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Like, I think, I think the idea that streaming partners
are gonna come at some point and be the future
of the league, I think that's further away than most realize.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
Yeah, I would agree with that mostly, But the thing.
Speaker 9 (22:02):
Is, Brady, the NFL has to build towards that, you
know what I mean. And we may be ten or
fifteen years away from what you're talking about, but like,
eventually the NFL is going to need the streaming partners.
They don't need them now, but they're eventually going to
need them. And they need them to bid on these
now because they want to keep driving the prices up,
but eventually they're going to need them periods. And the
(22:24):
question is, like you said, is whether or not those
streaming partners are going.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
To need live sports the way the networks do now.
Speaker 9 (22:33):
And I don't know, I mean, you know the model
that the live television model is trivened by ad revenue.
It's hard to get anybody to watch anything live anymore.
And that's because in the age of DBRs and again
streaming and all the different options everybody has, it's just
hard to get people to you know, sit down at
a certain time and watch TV. And you know, live
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sports is the one thing that makes people do that.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
And is there ever going to be.
Speaker 9 (22:59):
A reason why you know, your Apple TV or your Netflix,
your your your Amazon are gonna need live sports that way?
Speaker 6 (23:07):
It's possible. It's definitely, well.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Look at it for the same reasons you're making for
the leagues. You're basically saying, well, they the leagues like,
obviously they need to continue to keep driving up revenue.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
That's what the.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
NFL wants to do. So do the streaming part of platforms.
I mean you look at Netflix. Now, Netflix, we just
talked about this yesterday. Now, if you're somebody who's not
a user in the account, you're gonna get charged seven
ninety nine a month if they find out about it
that they're adding in ad.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Subscriptions as well.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
It's all if it shifts all to streaming at some point,
that's fine, but it's all gonna be a similar revenue
model of what cable used to be. It's just now
gonna be on a streaming platform. You're gonna have your subscriptions,
you're gonna have your ad revenue, You're gonna have everything
that comes from it. I mean, live sports is always
going to exist in some capacity because of live betting,
Like that's what's gonna drive it, especially as gambling continues.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
To come influenced.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Like I don't want to get off on a tangent
on this, it's just I think if that's what you
feel like it is, it's the new money who's now
driving the league. Do you feel like that's a really
dangerous thing for the NFL moving forward where they can
find themselves almost creating a league.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
That it's the NFL.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
It's dominating now, but in twenty years from now, could
it be overtaken by something else because of some of
the decisions they're making right now.
Speaker 9 (24:22):
Yeah, And I think that that's what the and I
think that's why you see the feeling like the families
that have decades and decades and decades of background and
doing this, that's why they're the ones that are tapping
the brakes. I absolutely think that that's like a piece
of this is those families saying, all right, so like
(24:46):
now we're going to take our best teams and put
them in multiple short weeks. What does it mean to
the actual players, like the star players? Are those star
players going to be in the best position to compete
at the highest level when we get to our biggest
stage in January February for the playoffs? Right, Like if
Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelcey and Chris Jones are playing
(25:07):
a short week in November and then they get flexed
into a short week in December, like what sort of
shape are those guys going to be in to be
at their very best in January and February.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
So that's one question.
Speaker 9 (25:17):
I think the second question is looking at who you're
pissing off here, And yet it's a small percentage of
fans that are the ones that are going to go,
you know, on on on trips with their buddies to
games in December, and they're the ones that get screwed
if the game gets flexed to Thursday, or Thursday game
gets flex a Sunday or if a Monday game gets
flexed a Sunday.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
They're the ones that get screwed.
Speaker 9 (25:39):
And the NFL is making the bet that, well, you
got you guys are going to come back anyway like
we have you, so we don't need to worry about that, right,
But there is there something to that, like the idea
of pissing off your biggest fans, your core fans, right
and if they don't come out to the stadium anymore,
well what does that mean?
Speaker 6 (25:58):
You know?
Speaker 9 (25:59):
So you know, I think that that's where again, like
the families that have had these teams through generations have
some wisdom when it comes to this stuff.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
And I'm with you one.
Speaker 9 (26:10):
Hundred percent that there certainly is risks that I think
certain NFL owners are ignoring and driving all of this.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Abe, I'm gonna switch gears on you, and I'm gonna
ask you about the whole turf situation. I do reads
and talk about the turf versus natural grass debate. I mean,
this is a real thing, right that, the conversation of it,
the approach of it. Where are things at with that?
(26:43):
Because there are a lot of different philosophies that are surrounding,
you know, artificial turf and why it has become such
a major part of a professional and even college and
even high school playing surfaces. But now the whole idea
of going back to natural grass, where where are things
(27:03):
on that?
Speaker 9 (27:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (27:05):
I mean I think it's something that well, I mean
for the players, and you guys can speak to this
better than me, you know. I.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
I don't know if you you would have played on the.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I played on astro turf at one.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
Yeah, you played, You played on the old I was.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Going to say, play I played in three rivers in college.
Speaker 10 (27:26):
Right, Brady, you would, but you would have played on
the new turf too, Brady.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Right like when I played a BC, that tin box
of a stadium that was astro turf. When when I
when I played the Carrier Dome for Syracuse, when walter
reyis ran for like a bajillion yards against US, that
was on astro turf.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
They had like a trap door around like the thirty
five yard line.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
I'll never forget like stepping on it and being like huh,
sounds hollow and literally you could rip up the turf
and look and there was like a drop down like
I don't know where that.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Went, but it was like the tunnel to nowhere.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
But yes, we were we were around long enough to
play on the way they created like what they called
the grass tip artificial turf, like definitely in the flubber Like, yeah,
I was, we were definitely around for that.
Speaker 10 (28:14):
I remember the g well. I remember the I played
on the old turf in high school and I can
remember the burns and what that felt like having a shower.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah, the next day it was on fire.
Speaker 10 (28:28):
Yeah, I got guys, I think, like talking to players
about this, like it's it's the injury risk, of course,
you know, but it's also how they feel, you know,
Like I I just get the sense, like from players
who you know, played on this stuff a lot, that
there's just a certain soreness and toll it takes in
your body day to day beyond just the serious injuries,
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and no one seems to like playing on it, you know.
And I think it's even like it's it's interesting to
look at a couple of things like how many teams
that have field turf on their state in their stadiums,
how many of those teams practice on natural grass? Right,
you think you'd want to practice what you play on,
what you play on, but yet like a lot of
these teams practice on grass right. Why is that, Well,
(29:12):
because the teams know it takes less of a toll
on the players' bodies. You know, why are these teams
willing to bring in natural grass to accommodate soccer teams?
You know, international soccer teams come over here, the World
Cup w be here what in three years? And you know,
to accommodate the soccer teams, all these NFL teams bring
in natural grass because the soccer teams and the soccer
(29:36):
leagues demand it. You know, I think we all know
what this is about, which is the price point of
NFL teams and the price point of NFL stadiums has
gotten to a point where you can't justify having one
of those stadiums all games, eight regular season games, in
two preseason games or nine and one every year. Right,
It just doesn't work. The economics of it don't work anymore.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
So more and more, where.
Speaker 10 (30:00):
All these owners have wanted to pack those stadiums with
tons and tons and tons of events, Well what happens then?
Then it becomes harder to maintain a grass field.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
And so what's the solution.
Speaker 10 (30:13):
You rip up the You rip of the grass, put
up cut down turf and put every event under the
sun in your stadium. And I think, like the two
that kind of stick out to me as places that
should never have artificial turf, but now do. Are Tennessee
and Carolina, right, Like Charlotte and Nashville should have natural
grass based on the climates they're in. You should be
(30:34):
able to make that work. And like that those teams
went to turf tells you everything about where the league
is right now. And by the way, there are ways
to make it work, like Green Bay and Northern Wisconsin
is able to maintain a grass surface, right. Why is
that because they don't have an owner who's pocketing the difference? Right,
Look a look over in Europe, you know, and a
(30:54):
lot of teams now I've talked to Nick Bosa about
this is really militant about the grass versus turf things.
He's like, well, how come all these European soccer teams
to make it work playing football and it's not the same.
I understand that, But like I think, if you're willing
to invest, you know, in finding solutions, you guys, just
see what Real Madrid did with their field.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
There are ways to make it work.
Speaker 10 (31:14):
But you know, again, this comes back down the money
comes back down to putting a ton of events in
your stadium, and it comes down to the fact that,
you know, maintaining a turf field is a whole lot cheaper.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
Than than maintaining natural graph.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Who knew Albert was such a grass ex That's incredible.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
I know.
Speaker 10 (31:31):
I feel like I could have a terurf management degree
after the last couple of years.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Yeah, well what uh what the basketball coach? They put
that in your pipe and smoking? Yeah, you're doing that
with the grass.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Huh, Albert, we got to ask you.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Obviously, if anybody follows you on Twitter, they know how
passionate you are about the Boston Celtics. I'm just curious,
do you feel like, at the end of tonight's game,
but the heat that the Celtics world have won by
I don't know, more than eight and a half points.
Speaker 10 (32:04):
I'm gonna play that game again. Is it eight and
a half point line?
Speaker 9 (32:07):
No way, Wow, that seems high.
Speaker 10 (32:11):
I would say if the Celtics don't win, it probably
be like less than eight and a half point Pray,
are you a big you big heat guy?
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Now that you're down there.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Not a big heat guy. I would say that's one
of the most.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
More interesting things about being in a sports town like Florida,
which is a little more transient because you don't have
a ton of locals where they're like they're grow up,
you know, and they were like big fans of that team.
It is kind of cool when people move to a
place like that, though, they kind of adopt it and
it's it's it's almost like a melting pot of fans
from all over. But I am definitely rooting for the
(32:44):
Heat over you the rest of the Boston fans. Also
my in laws, so I'm definitely it's just really talking
trash to my in laws for the most part.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
You're in laws are big Celtics people.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Well, they're from Boston, so they are a big Bruins fans,
Celtics fans, Red Sox.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
All of it.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Any time my own team said, well.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
I don't hate them at all. No, not at all.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
It's it's more of just bragging rights, especially for the
spring where South Florida has dominated them so far.
Speaker 10 (33:10):
Yeah, that's true, that's true. That was not That was
not a great showing by the Bruins in the first round.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
It makes you feel a little bit better.
Speaker 10 (33:18):
The Tanthers, like actually are legit they've lost like one
game that series, right, Yeah, yeah, I think it's something
like that the Kets.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
All right, well, I'll listen. We'll be watching good stuff
as always. Get them on Twitter at Albert Brear. We
appreciate it and uh and we'll do it again next week.
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Joe Heat, Joe Heat, Albert.
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Yea they are, Yeah, they're going to be moving around
(35:20):
a little bit that fan base because apparently the Penn
State and Michigan State game set for this fall in
college football. The game has been moved to a neutral site.
Now it was supposed to be at Michigan State, it's
going to be at Ford Field and Detroit on Black
Black Friday, and so Friday Berto Black from what do
(35:43):
you mean?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Wow, why you do that? Because that's what? Yeah? So
why is it so aggressively like disgusting for you?
Speaker 4 (35:53):
It's like the way you set it at the end
of it, the difference we.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Are in Sparti on Black Friday. Apparently the Big Ten
approached Michigan State about the move. They then spoke with
Ford Field, did Michigan State and the Michigan High School
Athletic Association, who shifted their championship games toill later that weekend.
So Michigan State's going to refund tickets and parking to
(36:19):
season ticket holders for the original game, and then they're
going to sell this as a standalone contest. So uh,
this is another let's present this on TV and in
a prime spot. It's going to be on NBC later
on that night. So you've got the NFL with Black
Friday games.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
You've got.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
You go so hard? What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, you know, I mean, what what else do you
call the day after Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I mean I'm just saying you, okay, well, like most
thanks well, no sounds good to me.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Well, the way this was presented via social media was
presented to you and what well no, I mean there
was just the way they talked about this was'd they
say it?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Yeah? They sit were they like, Yo, this is what's
happening on Friday.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
So from Penn State, Okay, from go PSU sports on.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Twitter, Okay, shouts out to go PSU under.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
The lights in Detroit, Penn State football at Michigan State Friday,
November twenty fourth, seven thirty pm, four field in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah. I didn't hear black Friday in there. Yeah, but
that's where I stepped in and add a little something
to it.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Critical this real quick with like the twenty seconds we have. Yeah,
I hate this though.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
College football and the atmosphere that's created by home stadiums
is what makes it so special.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
You're right, and I love that it's not our state.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
It's it's like whether it's Penn State or Michigan State.
This has obviously been in East Lansing. I played in
the East Lansing. I hate that is a tough place
to play never won there. Those fans are nasty. I've
told you all the mooning story. You know when they
mooned you. They don't just moon you, They spread the
you don't want to see that. You don't want to
see that they give you. Yeah, you'll you'll see way
(38:06):
too much. Like no one should ever, unless you're a proctologist,
No one should have to see that much.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Ye didn't even need this.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
What's you're the ass man? You know you shouldn't have
to see that.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
Yeah, but that takes away from the traditional college football
the atmosphere.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
This is NBC is doing too right.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
Yeah, NBC, which is a bit surprising because they've got
Notre Dame home games. They understand how how awesome that is.
They they're branching into the Big ten like they're missing
out on a big opportunity for a huge game in
East Lansing. I hate that for their Misigan state fans.
I hate that for college football.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, that's I love it for us because it's very
difficult to play in East Lancing.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
So there you go. Now you're going to Detroit and
we're going to go get it dub Yeah it already. Yeah,
calling it that.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Stays to be good this year, Man, Real good.
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