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June 24, 2024 37 mins

Brian & Jason talk about the levels of pressure that certain QBs face heading into this NFL season, the increased level of interest in the WNBA, Edwin Diaz getting suspended for a foreign substance, and more!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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So in a minute, I want to talk about these
NFL quarterbacks. If it's just standard pressure that they're under
this season, you know a lot expected from quarterbacks. You're

(00:33):
the face of the franchise, so forth and so on
more time than that. Are we talking extra pressure? Know?

Speaker 3 (00:39):
What's funny?

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Like you told me we were going to do this,
and so I wrote down I'm not going to give
them to you. I wrote down eight guys that I
feel like are in the extra pressure cut.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Okay, I've got twelve in the extra pressure.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
You may you probably will be able to sell me
on some more.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Okay, all right, we'll compare notes here in a second.
The stems from Trevor Lawrence, So, the Jaguars quarterback. He
got a huge contract extension five years, two hundred million
dollars guaranteed.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
That's what matters.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
The fancy numbers are five years, two hundred and seventy
five million, right, so fifty five million dollars per year.
That ties Joe Burrow with the largest average annual salary
in NFL history. Now, Trevor Lawrence says, hey, this contract
extension doesn't add any pressure. And his quote is being
a starting quarterback in this league is a big responsibility

(01:26):
and the team goes as you go, and I know that,
So I'm not going to add any pressure to myself
just based on getting this contract. It doesn't really change
what I expect of myself and what the team expects
of me. I understand where he's coming from, Jason, but
that's within the Jaguars walls, you know what I mean,
Like from the outside of JAG's headquarters. This absolutely adds pressure.

(01:52):
If he has a sub ninety passer rating this season
like he did last season, after getting this huge extension,
the scrutiny just.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Grows and grows.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
So there's no doubt getting this type of extension, which
a lot of people thought they overpaid and that sort
of thing. If he underperforms on top of that, he's
just gonna get scrutinized that much more.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
I think this absolutely adds pressure to him.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
Yeah, so I think from the nuts and bolts perspective,
the money and saying he got overpaid, I kind of
shrugged my shoulders because we know what the salary cap
is doing year.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
After year after year.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
That's going to continue to grow with new TV deals
and all of those kinds of things.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
So I don't think that that is really all that relevant.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
But in terms of the pressure argument, I one hundred
percent agree with you, and I actually think that they're
giving him the rubber stamp basically saying you're the guy.
So that adds some pressure. The Jags were better not
this past year, but the year before, and then they
regressed and then they paid him anyway, But I still
think he goes back to what he was perceived to
be coming into the NFL. I think it was the

(02:55):
way he was talked about in his final year at Clemson,
and he's the greatest quarterback prospect since Andrew Luck and
John Elway and all those kinds of things. I think
eventually those expectations have to be you have to get
closer to them, and there's still way too many turnovers
or things that don't compute, and I definitely have dropped, Like,

(03:17):
I still think he's a really good player with the
potential will be a great player, but I do think
his ceiling is a little lower than maybe the perception
was coming out of college. So he's still having to
dog the fact that he was an overall number one pick.
And I can't miss who's now getting the extension and
getting what everybody's going to look at and say, that's
still an awful lot of money. There has to be

(03:38):
more pressure to actually do something on the field with
those things in mind.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, okay, So if you expand it beyond Trevor Lawrence
and we're looking at all these quarterbacks in the NFL,
who is in the extra pressure category?

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Right?

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Like most all these quarterbacks have standard pressure. Every single
one of them has pressure or to perform. That's obvious.
But we're talking an additional layer for this reason or
that there's an additional layer of pressure. Give me your
AFC guys. Let's start at the AFC. Who do you
have in that con?

Speaker 4 (04:12):
I got two guys to have extra extra, extra extra pressure,
okay to me? All right, yeah, Josh Allen and Justin
Herbert okay, And the reason why is.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Because eventually guy get to a super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
If you're Josh Allen, like you've been on the front
of Madden, everybody's talked about it being you and Mahomes,
despite the fact that Mahomes wins it every time you
guys play in the playoffs. I think the one thing
that you still have going for you if you're Josh
Allen is you have Sean McDermott, and he can fall
on the sword first before you do. I think Josh

(04:44):
Allen's really good, but it hasn't translated in the playoffs.
And this the fact that the Bills have not cashed
this into at least reached one super Bowl. Eventually those
questions are coming. As good as he is, it doesn't
necessarily translate into playoffs, and so I think that's one.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
And then Justin Herbert.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Okay, so you get rid of Brandon Staley, which I
think was a year too late, and oh well, you
wasted a year of.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Justin Herbert's career. I mean, Herbert's done nothing in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
So now you bring in Jim Harball, there's gonna be
more eyeballs than ever before on that franchise.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Because of that factor.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Now it's going to be on Herbert, because I don't
think that Harball is gonna take the slings and arrows
of outrageous fortune here, not at first. Herbert's actually got
to do something, and he's got to do it now
without Keenan Allen. He's got to do it with new
guys coming in all over the place. And so I
think those two guys, and I think you could throw
maybe one more into that list, but I'll stick with
those two and let you take it from there.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Those are the two that I look at and say,
all right, you have to do something this year.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Okay, I've got a handful of other guys in the
AFC extra pressure. I think Aaron Rodgers he's in the
extra pressure category. He only played four snaps last season,
you know what I mean, and he got hurt, and
being in the mecca, right being in New York City,
didy number one media market. And I think also there
were a lot of comparisons with Tom Brady. Tom Brady

(06:05):
went to Tampa and won a freaking Super Bowl, you
know what I mean, Like he's got to have big
success in New York and so I think there's absolutely
extra pressure with Aaron Rodgers. I think there's extra pressure
with Russell Wilson, and I think there's a tendency to
sort of just like shrug your shoulders, like we know
what the deal is now, but this is his third team.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
I considered I considered putting him on the list. Yeah,
because this is probably last chance territory.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah. Like the way I look at it is, he
crashed and burned in Denver. We all know that.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
But now with Pittsburgh, with Justin Fields on the same squad,
and a lot of people think he should be the starter.
If Russell Wilson underperforms, there could be a quick hook.
And we thought of him as a sure fire Hall
of Famer, and based on what happened in Denver, if
he flames out in Pittsburgh. Also, you don't look at
Russ and think, oh, yeah, I mean still the strength

(06:58):
of what he did with Seattle for basically a decade,
He's absolutely got to be in Canton. I don't think
most people think of him like that. So there's additional
pressure for him to perform in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Absolutely, can I give you my third guy?

Speaker 4 (07:11):
Yeah, Lamar Lamar's same reason as Josh Allen it hadn't
translated into the playoffs. And it's not about play style
or anything else. It's just he hadn't reached the super
Bowl yet, as great as he's been, And I don't
think there is any denying that about him or Josh
Allen hadn't.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Reached the super Bowl yet. I mean, Burrow, you could
throw on, but Burrow's at least reached a super Bowl. Now.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
He has a big year in front of him too.
I know he has a lot of pressure because there's
still a lot of expectations in Cincinnati. But the Ravens
just keep going and getting more talent. The defense continues
to play well. John Harball is still an excellent head coach,
and they get in the playoffs and somehow the Ravens
get into a situation where Lamar goes outside of what
he's used to get. They look like they kind of

(07:53):
get kind of frazzled and don't play their version of
football and get beat. And a lot of that has
to fall on Lamar considering the money he's made.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, hey, I hear you on that.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
I've got on my AFC list two other guys, Deshaun
Watson and Tua.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah. Two I had written down to By the.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Way, yeah, Tua's gonna get paid huge money. And I
think the popular perception of Tua is, yeah, he's put
up some regular season numbers, but do you really trust
this guy?

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Then?

Speaker 2 (08:21):
What has he done in the playoffs?

Speaker 4 (08:23):
By the way, I think to answer that question is no,
most think, yeah, you're a Dolphins guy, do you trust him?

Speaker 1 (08:29):
It's one of those It was so disappointing to see
what he didn't do against the Chiefs. And I know
it was the Ice Bowl in present day, but we're
talking about a screen pass. He couldn't complete screen passes
in that game. So he's got to do a lot
more on the playoff stage to earn trust, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
That's a different deal.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
And Deshaun Watson, we just look at him as they
gave you two hundred and thirty million dollars guaranteed, and
what have the Browns gotten ezact?

Speaker 3 (09:00):
What they deserved?

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Well, And that's the thing is we look at the
Browns and that's a really, really good roster is and
it's the right take. They made it to the playoffs,
and we're good in the playoffs with Joe Flacco, who
came off the couch, you know, and so it's like, DeShawn, Hello,
is this thing on that type of thing? Two hundred

(09:22):
and thirty million dollars guaranteed if they had just a
legitimate quarterback playing there, they'd be a team making significant
noise in the playoffs. And so far DeShawn hasn't been
that guy. There's absolutely extra pressure on him.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's for sure. I mean, think
about how how you would feel about the Cleveland Browns.
I mean, outside of being like an AFC NORD fan
or something of another team had they not made the
Deshaun Watson move. And you look at the rest of
that roster, the Miles Garretts, the Nick Chubbs, I mean,
Stefanski's not an unlikable coach, like everything about them is positive.

(09:57):
But then that DeShawn thing is a giant man that
is dragging on that franchise and the more mediocre to
subpar football he plays, the larger that spotlight grows in
the wrong direction.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, huge, huge season for him and that team.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
There's no doubt. All right, NFC, who do you have
on your NFC list? We're looking at quarterbacks. Extra pressure,
an additional layer of pressure, not just the standard quarterback
pressure that exists.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
Well, I didn't write him down first, but if you're
the if you are the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys,
you're going to have a ton of pressure. So I
think Dak has to be there. The first guy I
wrote down, though, was Brock Perty, And reason why is
because everybody thinks the forty nine ers are fully formed
and they again get to a Super Bowl and they

(10:46):
don't win it. But because of where Perdy was drafted,
he's always going to have added pressure because he's always
going to have to prove himself to people who are
who are going to point to every poor performance he
has and immediately say, yep, this is why he was
mister irrelevant. Even though he's won a lot of games
in all and he's done a lot of good things,
it's never going to be enough to erase that. And
so when you have all the talent around you that

(11:08):
they do, and everybody you know kneels at the football
altar of Kyle Shanahan as well, then a lot of
that pressure is going to fall on you.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
So I think Perty is probably top of my list.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, I'm with you on both. Dak is obvious, and
Dak has put up numbers. They just haven't had playoff success.
And that's that's a huge thing, a box that hasn't
been checked on the old quarterback resume. And right when
you're the Cowboys quarterback, everything you do is going to
be scrutinized. And I agree with Bertie. Every little thing
that he does is going to be dissected. And look,

(11:44):
I'll be honest, I've been critical of Bertie too. I
think he's good. I've never said he's a dud. He's good.
I just don't think he's a difference maker. And that's
the separation right there. When he had to make the
play in the Super Bowl and had some opportunit unities,
he didn't make it. And I thought that overall he
played pretty well in that game. But that's the separation.

(12:06):
When Mahomes is making special plays, he's a difference maker.
That's not where Purty is. I have a couple other
guys on my list in the NFC. I would go
Caleb Williams, Kirk Cousins, Bryce Young.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yeah see you Actually there was one other NFC guy
that I had mentioned. You didn't put him on the list.
But by the way, that that Kirk Cousins won I
agree with just because of the other guy in the building,
regardless of whether or not he's going to be be
a thing in the NFL or not. The fact that
they used a top ten pick yep on your position.
That immediately puts pressure on you.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
That's right, that it.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Immediately changes everything. But the other name I put on there,
and then we get back to yours is Jalen Hurts.
Because the Eagles were not the team people thought they
were going to be last year.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
They're bringing in a new coordinator.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
We've got to see what's happening with Sirianni, but there's
a lot of new stuff that is being implemented there.
Hurts got paid as he deserved to be, but there
is a lot of expectation now that the Eagles get
back to being on the cusp of a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, now that's an interesting one the two. I like
what you said about Kirk Cousins man. When you go
Michael Pennix Junior with a top ten pick and it's like,
oh wow.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, changes the dynamic completely.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
The deal with Caleb Williams, I think it's a bit
like Brock Purty just in terms of the scrutiny, Right,
every little tiny thing Caleb Williams does or says is
going to be picked a part.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
That's just the way.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
He's a lightning rod and people are fixated on every
little move he makes, and so he's got extra pressure
as a rookie, there's no doubt. And I think Bryce
Young with the Panthers, Man, think about this. You rewind
the last year, so c J. Stroud was amazing. The
Panthers could have had him, they didn't take him. They
took Bryce Young, and all of a sudden, one of

(14:01):
the picks used to leap up to get Bryce Young
is Caleb Williams with the Bears. So if Caleb plays
well and Bryce Young still isn't, now it becomes wow.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
So CJ.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Stroud is the truth. Caleb Williams is playing well, and
here we have stuck with Bryce Young. I had to
give up all this draft compensation to get a guy
who's underperforming. So his reputation is starting to be formed
and there is extra pressure with all of those layers
on him to perform this season.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
Yeah, I mean that's true. I mean, if you're the
first overall pick, it's always gonna be that way. But
we've also been talking about.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Kayleb Williams since Oklahoma, and so he very.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
Similar to Trevor Lawrence, has been in the spotlight for
a long time and there are people vested on both
sides of that that want to see it crash and
burn and succeed, and so there's gonna be a real
I don't think there's gonna be a lot of neutral
takes on Caleb Williams. I think you're either gonna love
him or not, and I think that it's probably already
ingrained in.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
You before you even watch him play.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
HM, and so I think that's that's probably part of
this as well. You could throw even though like I
think he would get another chance either way, but like
you could throw like a Daniel Jones or somebody like that,
because I don't think they're quite in Russell Wilson territory
in terms of last chance, but.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
The jury is it's it's out.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
But in terms of like the confidence level in a
Daniel Jones is pretty low, and there's other guys in
the league that probably qualify there as well. The only
other one that I considered, even though I don't think
he was, he was a problem for them last year.
You know, Jared Goff got paid.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Yeah, Detroit's not It's not gonna be all right now
for Detroit to go back to being Detroit, Like Detroit
needs to be this new Detroit that is a feature
and is a contender and all this and that. That's
another name that I throw out and just say, yeah,
there's there's a lot on him, just because now there
is actual expectation there.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
It's interesting, man, And I think sometimes it turns into
it's not just hey, you haven't won playoffs, And that's
a big part of additional pressure is you got to perform.
If you're one of the top quarterbacks, you got to
get it done in the playoffs. But going back to
the first guy that you mentioned, Josh Allen with the
Bills supporting cast is a big deal. He doesn't have

(16:14):
Stefan Diggs anymore. So you got Kean Coleman, who could
be good, but he's a rookie. And you've got Khalil
Shakir and it's like, okay, that's my leading receiver right now.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
Yeah, but Josh Allen, so you're supposed to be a
difference make That's what I mean is He's not going
to get the benefit of the doubt just because they
lost that. What they're going to say is, oh, well,
I mean, what was he before Stefan Diggs gott.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
That's right, that's exactly right, underperforming Stefan Diggs made Josh
Allen and yeah, so you're supporting cast, but this way
he doesn't have what Joe Burrow has around him as
a supporting cast. And the funny thing is no one
cares and no.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
One will talk about it.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
They'll just say, get it done somehow, some way, Josh Allen. So, yeah,
there's extra pressure there. Good stuff, good stuff. I like.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
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Speaker 1 (17:01):
This is one of the biggest myths in sports, and
I'm gonna be the bad guy that has to point
it out.

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Speaker 1 (18:16):
I'm Brian Now We're in for two pros and a
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(18:39):
awesome job with that, so thought I was like the
intro music for that very seductive in a way. I'm
gonna be the bad guy over here, Jason, because there's
a myth in sports. It might be the biggest myth
in sports, something that is just commonly believed, often recited,
but not the truth. I'm not talking about Game seven, right,

(19:02):
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Speaker 1 (19:09):
It's the biggest game we got by miles and Miles
and Miles, the super Bowl. It performs better, it delivers
more often than Game seven.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Does, I'll tell you that much.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
But this is another myth in sports. You hear this
all the time. Well, the fundamentals are just better in
the women's game, right if you look at the wn
be geuse, the fundamentals are just better.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
No, they aren't. That isn't true at all.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Okay, Like I'm watching the sky in fever and I've
watched way more WNBA than I've ever watched in my life.
And I've watched plenty of women's college basketball games as well,
and a lot of that has to do with Caitlin Clark,
Angel Reese and Yesteryear as well.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
He has to do with k Clark, but the here.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
And now for sure. But I can't tell you how
many times I've heard this, Jason. Oh, the fundamentals just
better on the ladies side, Dude. Watch a WNBA game,
just no watch one Like did you see the end
of the game yesterday the Fever and Sky. I'm watching
that game, dude. There's a missed There are missed layups commonly.

(20:18):
There was a misshot from about six feet away, didn't
even get iron from the baseline. The final shot from
the Fever, well, the final legitimate shot right about I
don't know, maybe ten seconds to go brick from straight away,
maybe like an eighteen footer. No rim, No, nothing, not
even close. It's like, bro, what are we talking about it?

(20:41):
Just because the game is played below the rim doesn't
mean the fundamentals are automatically better. The fundamentals often suck
on the lady's side. I'm sorry, but that's just the truth.
And that doesn't come from a place of I don't
hatred or negativity.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
That's just what it is.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
You can't miss layups and claim to be fundamentally more sound.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
That makes no sense.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah, look, you're appreciate of the choir. You're exactly right.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Just because the athleticism is not the same, doesn't all
of a sudden mean you're fundamentals are off the charts.
That's all you have is that version of basketball, and
you're seeing, you know, more sets being run in some
of this other kind of stuff. That's because they have to,
like there's not there's not another option. But you look
at the shooting percentages and all of this, and even

(21:31):
like the way that the shots happen a lot of times,
and you talk about the blown layups and that last
possession for the Fever was a disaster yesterday. That's the
whole point. And that's that goes back to you know,
all the players and now the media types are like,
hey man, you could have done this three years ago.
You could have been watching this three years ago. I
mean I could have, but I wanted to watch something interesting.

(21:53):
I wanted to watch something entertaining. I wanted to watch
something played at a fairly high level. And I mean,
I'm pretty critical of the NBA game and the college
game the States too, because it's turned into a chuckfest.
It feels like more often than not, but the basketball
is bad and it's maybe it's a little better now,
but it's still never gonna be great.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
It's just not. It's always going to be a niche product.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
All of the articles that are being written now about
how the WNBA evaluations are about to be in the
billions and save it, like, take advantage of this as
much as you possibly can, but let's keep things in
perspective and not overstate it. And that's the that's that's
your point here on the fundamentals argument. They're even if

(22:34):
you're playing fundamental basketball, but you can't make shots, I
don't care like it's not. But again, the big thing
is you talk about below the rim, right, I mean
they're not dunking the basketball, they're not coming down and
doing all of those kinds of things.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
There's not a whole lot of.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
Just like, oh my goodness, did you see the athleticism there.
I mean, you don't have the Russell Westbrooks and guys.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Like that, super speedy.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
You don't have a Kyrie Irving, don't have those kind
of players, So they don't have to be quite as
fundamental because they're doing they're basically magicians out there with
some of the things that they're doing and some of
the speed and the John Walls even like back in
the day years ago when he was doing his prime,
and the way he could get ninety four feet Like
you look at all of that. Yeah, you can talk

(23:19):
about it being fundamental, because that's really the only thing
that you see because it's played at such a slower
pace that everything looks more fundamental, even if it's just
here's what they really are.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
It's clunky.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
That's what they are good at. They are good at
being clunky. They're good at ugly basketball. In terms of
what they're putting out there on the court, it's not
fundamentally sound when you actually look at it and you
see the amount of turnovers and some of that stuff.
I know it feels like I'm dogging on them, but
I just feel like it's time to balance back here

(23:54):
because now it's become this love fest and I don't
think that it's earned yet.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Well, and that's the thing, man, I think you and
I are both rooting for the league. Why wouldn't we
as sports against them. If it's compelling, we got something
to watch. If it's compelling to the point where a
lot of people care about it, we've got something to
talk about.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Why would I root against it. Of course I'm rooting
for it.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
But at the same time, I'm not just gonna go
along and believe something that isn't true just because a
lot of people say it. Well, they're like, oh, it's
way more fundamentally sound on the women's side.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
No it isn't.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
It's not even close to being more fundamentally sound. Again,
you cannot miss layups at point blank range, ever, and
that happens way too regularly on the lady's side. And
that's where I'm like, you just can't even begin to
win me over with saying it's more fundamentally sound.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
No it's not.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
And that's not to be negative for no good reason.
That's just what the truth is.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
And I had to bring it up because it's talked
about so often, and I'm watching sky Fever yesterday and
I'm like, for something that's claimed to be so fundamentally sound,
I'm seeing a lack of fundamentals a lot a lot
over here.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
Man, layup lines are done before every game, and that's
a thing that, as you mentioned consistently, is kind of
a crapshoot.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
When it comes to the w NBA.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
Again, I think a lot of it comes down to
the fact that they play slower and they play the
half court. That doesn't That doesn't necessarily equivocate to fundamental soundness, right.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
No, absolutely, it doesn't.

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Speaker 1 (25:40):
Now, by the way, you're rooting for Florida, is that
the team to bet on tonight? You know, put your
rooting interest to the side. You think Florida gets it
done after dropping three straight.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
I'm not going to comment on that. No, you hate
them that much, I don't want to say. You know,
so what does that mean?

Speaker 1 (26:02):
You think Edmonton's gonna win and you don't want to
throw it out there and put it in the universe.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
That might be the King, that might not be the case.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
And he hates the Oilers because he's a Kings fan,
That's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, so it seems like.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
You can't pick them, like, even if you think they're
gonna win, you can't say that out loud.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
That's what I think, right, because if he thought Florida
would win, he would just come right out and be like, oh,
Panthers got this.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Man has nothing to do with Edmund. You're gonna if
you're gonna paint me in that corner, Panthers got this. Okay,
If you're gonna make me go there, then fine.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Should I put my heart in hard earned cash on
the Panthers tonight?

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Is that what I should do?

Speaker 6 (26:41):
Eddie?

Speaker 5 (26:41):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah, you should, You definitely should.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
So this is what's happening here, right Jason, Eddie hates
me to the point where he wants me to lose
my cash.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
This is unbelievable. What's going on here with Garcia.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
That's back to the whole Game seven thing all over again.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
But Jason, you and I are on the same page show.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Today, the whole show, the whole show.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
That's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
We've had to be on this same page at some point,
right Eddie. It's got to be at some point.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Nothing I've noticed by.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
The way Steve checked in and he tweeted this. He goes, Wow,
this is the most I've heard Eddie speak on Fox
Sports Radio. He's getting chippy with Brian and Jason. That
goes back to our Game seven discussion.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, he must not listen to the previous show, before.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
This show, or when you and I fill in for
the previous show. Right, you're literally co hosting.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah, so, which is fine, Which is fine.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Hopefully he doesn't have a meter, I guess for still
doing that. Here's the question I have with Edwin Diaz.
Jason so Eddie mentioned this last night the Mets Cubs game.
Edwin Diaz got kicked out of the game. He was
coming in the ninth inning, going to try to close
it for the Mets, didn't throw one pitch because of
the sticky stuff. The umpires to t the sticky stuff

(28:01):
going on, and after the game he was like, no, no,
it was just rosin.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Just dirt, sweat, that's all. That's all it was.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
The crew chief last night said it definitely wasn't rosin
and sweat. We've checked thousands of these, I know what
that feeling is. This was very sticky. So here's the thing.
Athletes lie through their teeth all the time. I have
no doubt that he is lying, because that's what athletes do.
They lie like this dude was caught. You could see
it on his hand. That's not just regular rosin or dirty.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
But you hear what he.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Said, right, he's like I told him to smell my hand,
he said it was sticky. He threw me out. Like
you said, there's no doubt, I'd say, maybe you could
say there's no reasonable doubt, but I'm not one hundred
percent sure. I feel I feel like I'm more on
your side. But that's why I asked the question when
you mentioned it earlier, I said, any chance he's telling.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
The truth at all? And I think, obviously, yes, there is.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
I guess I would side with the umpire, but I
at least wanted to. I kind of withheld judgment a
little bit it on this.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, I don't. I withhold no judgment, Like that's play
this out. Why would the umpires lie? Is this just
an edwin DA's witch hunt? They hate they wait.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
They don't have to lie. They could just be wrong.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Okay, do you think there's a difference between the way
sticky stuff feels.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
You're an umpire, you're trying.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
To stay away from sticky sport of baseball, right, Yeah,
Like you can't tell the difference.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
This is what you're trained to do, is to tell
the difference between just normal rosin or dirt and the
sticky stuff, which has been outlawed, banned, can't do this anymore.
That's what they have to detect. And they're emphatic, like, bro,
it's not even close. We check these gloves and hands

(29:51):
all the freaking time. This is not just dirt and
sweat at all. And that's the thing is. Look at
the laundry list of athletes that have lied through their teeth, right,
remember that Lance Armstrong or Ryan Braun. I love this one.
This is a great one from Ryan Braun.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Here truly, and I would bet my life that the
substance never entered my body at any point.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
He would bet his life he no peds And that
was a completely yeah, just over and over again. So
my question is this, It's not whether Edwin Diaz is
lying or not. He's definitely lying. The question I have
is whether he knows he's lying or he believes the lie.

(30:36):
Because for the longest time, Jason I was like, these athletes,
if they've been popped for peds and said they never
used anything, they know.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
In their heart that is a lie.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
And over the years I've shifted my thinking to at
least open the door on the possibility that they have
completely bought into the lie and they no longer even
know that they're lying anymore. I think that happens. That's
the only question I have in my mind at this point.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah, I don't know that I would go there.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
I mean, I think I think if you're if you're
Edwin Diaz particularly, I think you know if you did this,
I think you know. I think the difference is you
just don't come out and say, hit man, they got me.
As a matter of fact. Whole career, you like you
have to. You have to leave the doubt in the mind.
I think that's how you look at it. You look
at it and you're just like, well, I mean, I

(31:30):
can't admit to this because it calls into question everything
that I've ever done. So I need to fight this
because some fans are going to buy it on my
side because they're Mets fans or whatever like that. I'm
trying to preserve everything else that I've already done.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
I don't think you.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
I do think sometimes you can make yourself believe a
lie if you tell it's tell it enough. But I
don't think you can do it in a case like this.
I think when you're an Edwin Diaz or you're some
of the guys during the steroid era and all that.
I think you're upset about the fact that you got
while a bunch of other people you know that are
also in the same sport that are doing the exact

(32:05):
same thing and you know this like you know their clients,
all of that kind of stuff, but they didn't get
tagged with it. But it's gonna dog on you. And
I think that's where I think that's where a lot
of this stem's from. I don't think it's as much
about them actually believing that they didn't do anything wrong
other than everybody's doing it, So why exactly is it
wrong for me?

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah? Man, it's one of these where there was an
old player from the Jets who got popped for using peds,
was the defensive lineman, and he just came out and
he was.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Like, yeah, I did it.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
It was stupid, and he gave the all the reasons
why he was, like, I was rehabbing an injury or
whatever it happened to be.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
He just owned it.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
That's maybe the only time I've heard an athlete just
own it. And that's the thing with sticky stuff in MLB.
No one's We're not like Edwin Diaz cheater, right, it's
not like that, And so by lying through his teeth,
where's the game? Do you think that umpires are.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Like, well maybe it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
And this buys him more grace going forward.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
If the thing becomes did he know? Like I think
that's the argument, like you leave yourself open. I know,
we get a break, but like, did he knowingly do this?
I think that becomes sort of the doubt that you
tried to throw in because Edwin Diaz a story comes
with he almost lost the closer job coming off the
injury last year in the World Baseball Classic and now
he's come back and he's trying to hold on. So

(33:32):
now you're like, well, now he's trying to do anything
he can, so he's cheating.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, well, I don't know, man, it's uh. I think
sometimes you're better off just telling the truth because we're
not eating.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
But you're always better off.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
But you know, it's like I think he just came
out and owned it and be like, yeah, you know,
I cheated my bad on that. I think more times
than that we'd be like, all right, on to the
next thing. Really, I think that we are more forgiving
than is commonly believed but in any event, we turn
the page. Coming up next, I've got some funny audio
for you, Jason. I've got an idea that I would

(34:05):
love to see happen on arguably the biggest stage in sports.
I'll throw that your way. Coming up, He's Jason Martin.
I'm Brian. Know we're in for two pros and a
cup of Joe right here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
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Speaker 1 (34:28):
It is Fox Sports Radio. He's Jason Martin. I'm Brian.
No in for two pros and a cup of Joe.
You know, I'm an ideas man, Jason. Not everybody agrees
with my ideas, but that's okay. I've got a new idea.
Maybe you'll be on board with this. I was thinking
about this. Noah Lyles. He qualified for the US Olympic
track team yesterday, and of course he'll be at the Olympics.

(34:50):
You know what I would love to see at the
Olympics this year. You know, in the NFL combine, how
they simulate the forty yard So say, maybe a quarterback
in this year's draft, he'll run the forty and they'll
simulate some other quarterbacks from previous years running the forty,

(35:11):
and so you have an idea of who's faster than who.
And it's really cool how they do that. That's what
I want for the one hundred meters this year. I
want to see if Noah Lyles wins gold. I want
to see it simulated with Usain Bolt and Carl Lewis,
just to get an idea of what we just saw
now and what we saw years ago. You on board
with that, so.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Like computer generated like two yeah, Coachella kind of.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
But they do it for the combine all the time,
right where you can see maybe I don't know, a
quarterback in this year's draft run the forty at the
same time as Patrick.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Mahomes and you're like, wow that. I love how they
do that. I want that for the Olympics.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
I mean, I think that's interesting. I'd watch that.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
I'd be more interested to see it, even though you know,
you never know.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
What the factors are that day. But if you're just.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
Looking at it as closely as you can, that's the
only way you could compare eras Yeah, and You can't
really do that in like a team sport environment because
of the opposition and everything.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
But in an individual sport, you would.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Have the opportunity to kind of map out on the
same track what this guy did as opposed to what
that guy did, and then maybe superimpose them or do.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
A hologram or something like that.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Right, Yeah, and use.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
The technology just as kind of like a thought experiment,
a hypothetical, a fun thing.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
I just wonder if, like, let's.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Say you get beat and you're not real, like you're
an AI simulated person or whatever like that on a
computer generated do I then get to sue because I
didn't actually get to run. I'm not sure you would
have beaten me in real life. I don't know, Bolton,
it doesn't work out for me because of the way
the things generated.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
I'm like, that's not real. I'm stilling him for defamation.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
By the way, this is something that funny that happened
in your neck of the woods in Nashville Live golf,
right Darrell Hatton. He was blaming the wind on a
long putt that came up short. Listen to this audio.
It's hilarious and Flaherty's like, oh great, he's been very
calm today.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Check this out.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yeah, he has been very calm.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Nothing, nothing, you waiting minute up until this pointing to right.
He's not being.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Great.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
And he won, Jason, he won. He's cursing the wind.
He ended up winning the event. Oh, it's tremendous audio. Everybody,
have a great day, fun hanging with you, Jason,
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