November 18, 2025 • 40 mins
The guys talk about Vikings WR Adam Theilen calling for the NFL to have full-time referees, NFL rules analyst and former official Dean Blandino joins the show to talk about all of the officiating controversies around the NFL, The Leftovers, and more!
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Yeah, you got to wait for it. I get you.
I love Billy bop Thorn?
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Is that?
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Should I watch that? Is that a good show? Yes? Yes?
If you love all right, it's like yes, duh.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Yes, watch Land man, it's pretty dope. Second season, second season,
first episode, though they didn't do the whole whole deal,
so maybe that's how they did the first season.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I ain't know.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I ain't I really wasn't up on it, and I
wasn't listening to queue when he said watching. And finally,
at a moment, I couldn't find anything else to watch,
so I just watched it, by the.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Way, and then what happened? Then you're like oh, I
should have listened to my guys.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
And I saw Jerry Jones crying and I was like,
all right, Jerry, And then I saw him get rid
of Micah and then I was like, no, Jerry, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
What was the stadium you were thinking about? There?
Speaker 5 (02:53):
There was a field or a stadium you were thinking
about that was in Texas somewhere.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
It was in that episode. Yeah, I watched it again.
That's that's how I know I saw it.
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I think my my brother texted me it was like, Hey,
by the way, when LaVar was talking about that on
the show, I think he was remembering it from land Man.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
It was it was a cutaway. It was b roll
on land Man. And I rewatched it yesterday. I saw
I'm like, oh, I was from Landman. So it wasn't
It wasn't a real stadium. It was a just part
of the show. I feel like it was a real stadium, bro,
like the way they use real real landmarks in the show,
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like they used real kick stadium is what it's called.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
It was there's a Dickey's Arenas arena.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Yeah, yeah, he's right, it's a real it's not a
like it's not a reality show.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
But it has.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
It's like takes place in a real place, like they
are definitely highlighting Texas, that part of Texas. So there
you go. Well, well, hey, they was drilling last night,
that's for certain. Not really, I mean the Cowboys were drilling. Yeah,
they were.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
The Cowboys were drilled. They were drilling. They found that
glory they found.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Gloryhole, that damn advantage. Tom Brady gives a Raiders every week.
Son of a bitch man. I mean, all of the
fallout maybe it's gone. Maybe ten years from.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Now, when they win a Super Bowl and get close
to being undefeated, they'll blame it on when Tom Brady
came at this point, you know that sounds about right.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
So we got Dean Blandino coming up in about fifteen
minutes from now, and I'm you know, I felt like
it was a bad week in some big moments for
the NFL when it comes to officiating, and I wanted
to play a little something for you guys that I
heard from Adam Thielen, who was on our Fox Sports
radio affiliate k Fan in Minneapolis. Uh, he had this
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to say about the officiating in the NFL as a stands.
Speaker 8 (04:55):
I think we need to have full time referees. But
it's like, we have these guys that are kind of
fan way a little bit, like they love the fact
that they get to go out there and they get
to shake hands with Patrick Mahomes, they get to hang
out with these professional athletes, and then they go to
their real job on Monday through Friday and tell everybody
how cool their side job is. I think that there
should be full time.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Referee, so I never put it. I've never heard to
put that way.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
Yeah, that's it's kind of problematic, know that you've got
some fanboys, at least in the opinion of Adam Field,
that are out there and not actually guys that are
there to make the right calls.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
It's so a little history on this.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
You know, the NFL did have a past attempt at
full time employee or a full time officials right. They
experimented with a program like back in twenty nineteen but stopped.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I don't know why, but.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
They they did try to have that, And I would
say this during this season, there's a lot of time
that's dedicated, significant amount of time that's getting dedicated to
the job that they're doing, even though it is part time.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
In regards to additional training, et cetera.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
But it is the NFL is the only professional sports
league that doesn't have officials that have you know, this
is their full time job.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
That's interesting. That is interesting.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Mean, well you're going to do I mean they should
definitely be learning how quickly things are moving in the game.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Full time.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Officiating and field conditions feel like pretty important parts of
the game. And they nickel and dime both. And that's
a league that makes a fortune every single years. That's
the part I don't understand. I really don't get it.
I don't know why you can't, Like, if you've got
this league that's the number one league in the country,
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people love it, trying to grow it, they're trying to
expand it internationally, they're trying to do all these things,
and yet you go on the cheap when it comes
to two key parts of it, which is officiating and
field conditions. I don't get it. It just doesn't make
any sense to me, and I've never understood it.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Well, it's not going anywhere, That's how I look at it.
It's again, it's a necessary part of the game. It's
almost like if you thought it was bad with referees like,
minimize referees, minimize the calls, and you'll see what bad
truly is. So it's almost like you know, removing traffic
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lights from you know, from the roads. You gotta have
you gotta have stops, you gotta have slow downs, you
gotta have goes like you got to.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Have all of those things.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
And referees are hired to to manage the games. It's
what they're there for. And so regardless of what people's
feelings may be, how strong they may be on on referees,
they're there for a reason. They execute. And the one
thing that you can say that you're going to get
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with referees is just consistently inconsistent. And that just has
to be a that has to be a part of
it that whether you're willing to accept it or not,
you have to understand that it's part of the game done.
I mean, that's really like it's a simple explanation to
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be honest.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Right, But.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
I guess this is what bothers me about the NFL
and where we're at in twenty twenty five. So they
have one less official than college football does Did you
know that? Yes, you've made that point clear because it's
the stupidest thing to not have at least one additional.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Set of eyes where you can put them in a position.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
Whether they're able to put evly come and help out
with a call or take the burden off of the
other officials who obviously are already tasked with whether it's
watching the line of scrimmage, whether it's watching the quarterback,
watching the receivers and dbs. It doesn't make any sense
to me how you wouldn't invest in just one more
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part time official doesn't make any sense. So there's that.
The next thing is replay. The NFL has been arguably
the worst professional sports league to implement replay in an
effective manner, and it can and we can go as
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as long as we want about this to look at
the fact that there's there, you know, there are static
cameras now that are that are put up or they're
able to see at least on the boundaries of the field.
That is one adjustment they've made which has helped. And
they've got the chip in the football, so that helps
for measurement. There's some other subtleties they've they've created that help.
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But the fact that, for example, in many cases where
we have subjective calls. We've not been able to implement
replay to a manner that makes it as effective as
it should be. It's just it's crazy to me that
the best professional sports league in the US can't figure
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out replay. I mean, it hurts the game, hurts the
integrity of the game.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I just I think I don't know how much time
it takes if you implement it for everything. I mean,
I know, if it's implemented in the few times where
it's like the play was called or the flag was
not thrown or something happened, I get it. But there
now you're opening your opening Pandora's box, because you're going
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to have to do that a whole lot.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
There's a whole lot.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Of times where something left to you know, the discretion
of the person who's making the call. If you got
to do that every time, I would assume that that's
going to lengthen the game. Even if you're efficient with it,
it's going to lengthen the game. And you don't want
the game to be any longer than what they are.
(11:22):
You know, who does replay right? Major League Baseball? Like
it is quick, it's efficient. I know, it's easier to
get some of that stuff right.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I think it's apples to oranges comparison.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
But I mean it's still a TV product and they
figured out a way to speed it up, keep it moving.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
The NFL has figured out a way to make sure
that their games finish when they're supposed to finish. Somebody,
I don't understand how it happens, and even we brought
it up to Dean, I don't understand how it happens.
But very rarely do you see a game go into
bleed into the next game. You don't see it. They're
generally die and there. That is a major part of it.
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It's a major part of it. You got to get
through the game.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
You don't think they could speed up some of these reviews.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Sure they could, That's what I'm saying. They could speed
up some of the reviews. They could be more efficient
and more effective with some of the things that they do.
There doesn't have to be an element of drama that
plays out every single time there's a challenge. It doesn't.
It could be very quickly came from the boom boom.
It's a first down. You don't have to measure, you
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don't have to wait for a review it already came in.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Boom. It's a first out.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Move them sure on things like that, but there's going
to be certain things that if you implement that type
of rule that does that take does that slow the
game down? And there's a strong possibility that instant replay
will slow the game down. That's that's my estimation on it.
I could be off, but I don't think so. You're
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trying to get through the game. They got to get
you through the game. So the penalties they're gonna call,
they're gonna call them, and the replays that they're gonna do,
they're gonna do them, but they're going to do it
within the parameters of getting the game over. Like like,
manage the game, keep the flow of the game for
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the you know, the best way that you can, but
manage the game where we can get the game done
in the timeframe that it's supposed to be done. It's
no different than when Q's talking on the Big Noon
and it's he's given his points and they come in
they come in his era, rap all right, all right,
rap okay, boom. Then then the next go Mark's going,
Mark's making a great point. Mark's in the middle of
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making a great point. You gotta rap, you gotta hit
the bomp, hit the bomp, hit the bo gotta go
guys quick, yeah, there you go, finish it up. And
it's way different in television like Lorenas is like okay,
like it's a courtesy. These dudes are really telling you
get out now. Excuse me, now, get out now. So
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I think that's that's that's how referees are, Like, it's
they're in there, they have air pieces on, they're being
communicated to. You got a whole team of referees on
the side of the field that are managing the situation
right along with the referees that are on the field.
So it's not just what people see. It's not that.
It's not as simple as Okay, here are the guys
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that are on the field, they're calling the game boom
boom boom. There is a team of referees that are
standing on the side of the field that are are
taking notes. They're there, whatever their input is to what
what they're giving to the referees that are out there
on the field. It's it's a real operation, like this
isn't like some simple like Saturday morning flag football game
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where they show up and they're they're volunteers and they're
somebody's dad, and they're reffing like, no, this is is
a real operation.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
The refs are.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Really doing what they're they're taught and trained to do
within those games.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
As part timers.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
You call it what you want, call it what you want,
like part time full time. The bottom line is is
whether if they're full time, it just means that they
probably have more time to do what it is that
they're doing, possibly are being compensated enough to do a
full time but nonetheless they're still being activated and onboard
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it to be able to execute the game the way
that they want the game to be executed. It's a
billion dollar plus industry. You're not just putting referees out
there to just make calls. They are managing a billion
dollar production. That's what it is. That's what it's always
going to be, So get used to it. You don't
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like it, don't like it, but it adds to the
drama of the games. It does the fact that you're
always going to look at a referee in some way somehow.
A referee has always had something to do with how
a game goes. It's just part of the game. Is
what it is, except it or don't, You're still gonna watch.
(16:05):
Damn Yeah, you're still gonna watch. You're still gonna play fantasy,
You're still gonna bet. You're gonna be happy when a
call goes your way and you won your parlay. You're
going to be upset when when a call is made
and it hurts your parlay.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
You're defending the shield.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I'm not defending the shield, and I'm not defending referees.
I'm just giving y'all a dose of reality here.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Man.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
It's an operation that's an operation within itself. I've said
this multiple time. I'm the NFL's doormat. They could roll
out a really poor product and I'll just keep watching
like I got. I mean, what else do I got
to do?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Like it?
Speaker 9 (16:36):
Just it.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
It's so much better than everything else. The NFL and
college football product is so much better than the next
best thing that even if they, you know, go down
a couple of notches from a from an entertainment and
quality standpoint, I'd still rather watch that than anything else.
It's from from a live sporting event, like it's it's
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hard to beat those too. So yeah, they're in a
good place. They're fine, but uh, you know, some bad
calls man, and and we're gonna hear from Dean blandyin
on all that stuff coming up here shortly. So get
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It's two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
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the Leftovers, But right now we'll welcome in Dean Blandino,
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Fox Sports, NFL college football rules analyst. Get him on
x at Dean Blandino and showing the respect he deserves.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Dean, good morning, Good morning, Dean.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
Good morning, guys, good morning.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Morning morning, Dean, good morning.
Speaker 7 (20:10):
He gets old.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
No, never.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Can I start though, I got to start with something.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Come on, what's now cool?
Speaker 7 (20:18):
I am? I am watching the new season of one
of my guilty Pleasures shows, Selling Sunset on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
And I'm watching and my man LeVar shows up looking
at some twenty million dollar real estate with his beautiful
wife and my favorite on the show, Bree, and I
am just I'm like, are you kidding me? At LeVar?
That was you are? You were really you were up
there for me. Now you're like, now you're Tom Brady level.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Well thanks, thanks Deane. I appreciate that. And you should
see the view we ended up uh settle in on
Actually it's actually better than the one from the show.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah it is actually so.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
But you you like doing the affirmations in the mirror
like it was a it was awesome.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Yeah, you got to do your affirmation, bro, thank you,
thank you, thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I know the affirmations are going to make today show.
Yeah they are.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Well, some of us don't need him like you, you know,
because he wakes up looking the way he looks.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
And all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Dean. So yeah, I'm not some of us don't have
to reassure ourselves.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
You know, we're not six for I was gonna say,
I'm not the type of guy that looks at a
mirror at himself a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I make sure to hold myself accountable.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Well, you don't need to.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
I don like he had a couple of people carry
mirror for him all the time.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Well, there you go. There's there's always that.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
By the way, speaking of speaking of people carrying the
mirror for him, uh, Dean, I got the call again
this weekend. I was begging our producer rich Gross to
get you on our broadcast. At some point we had
you on for like a moment, and I was able
to I was able to make a couple of throway comments,
but there wasn't really any much.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Of it back and forth, which is really unfortunate.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
I do appreciate the fact that you look like you've
balked up a little creating on there. The facial hair
is very well growed. I was trying to give you
a nice compliment there.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
Yeah, no, you did. You were you were complimenting me.
I appreciate that, you know. I'm always, you know, trying
to aspire to be to be you.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
So I'm see there you go. He's here myself. And
can I tell you what.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
Did you were? You were on my mind because I
don't know. In the in the Giants Packers broadcast, you know,
our new Fox Sports colleague Drew Brees, it was his
first game, and I went on the air to talk
about a play with with Drew and Adam Aman and
I had just spoken to you, and I Drew and
(22:48):
I called Drew Brady the broadcast.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
Which could have been taken multiple ways, right, Tom, Maybe.
Speaker 7 (22:56):
People immediately went to Tom Brady and then and then
I was like our shanks or shanks and figure they
were laughing and they were in my ear. I was like, no,
it wasn't Tom Brady. Was Brady Quinn. That was that
I was thinking about because I just talked to him so.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Right, which which you know, our producer wanted me to
say to you. He wanted me to make a comment
about how you had to be back in studio instead
of being with your new best friend Tom Brady, Like
that was supposed to be part of the bits.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
While you're working out, because you you're there with Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
That's what it is. I mean, just tell the truth.
You're on the gas, dear.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
I got I got some of the I do. I
may or may not have some TV twelve products in
my house.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Ye right, you're going to be making them Zoolander faces
before long.
Speaker 7 (23:41):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Add.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
I have to ask you the call that wrapped up
the Sunday action in the NFL, that it got everybody
hot and bothered that past interference. Could you even call that?
Could you even call that illegal contact?
Speaker 9 (23:58):
Like?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Was there anything there?
Speaker 7 (24:00):
No, there's nothing there. I don't Yeah, it's just nothing there.
I mean, it's just you know, you look at Agent Brown,
he's initiating as much contact and it's just not it's
just not a foul. It's unfortunate, you know, who knows,
who knows what would have happened. Detroit couldn't do anything
on offense anyway, But it's just they should have had
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an opportunity to get the ball back. And that's just
it's just not a foul. It's not when you want
call it at any point in the game.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Let me ask you this, Dean.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
We we were having a spirited conversation, and it stemmed
around kind of the way you know, instant replay should
be used. I kind of went in a different direction
just in terms of the idea of the business of
itself of refereeing. Can you give us some insight on that, Like,
(24:51):
it's not like you have you know, these officials, they
go on the field, they call the game, then they
go about their business, go about their lives. Like I
made the point, like they're they're there's a team of
referees that are on the sideline. They're taking notes, they're
giving feedback, they're discussing what's going on. They all have headphones,
so they're communicating just like everybody else is communicating. They're
(25:11):
a part of the production of the show. How can
you just give us some like can you pull the
curtain back a little bit on like the operation of
a referee crew?
Speaker 7 (25:23):
No, yeah, no question. I think that's one of the
common misconceptions about officials and referees and especially football, right
because it's one one game a week, and so they
a lot of them do have It's just the way
the sport evolves. I mean, you play one game a week,
you're going to have other jobs. It's not like these
officials make the kind of money that professional athletes make
(25:43):
for the most part, and so they do a lot
of them do have other jobs, but they're doing so
much during the week. There's communication. I mean, it starts
the game ends on Sunday. They have immediately they can
go to a website and the video, you know, the
coach's copy is downloaded, the TV copy is downloaded. They
start reviewing film immediately they leave the game, they're on
(26:06):
the plane home wherever it is. And then there's conference
calls that during the week. Crew conference calls, there's position
conference calls, zoom calls. They're getting feedback from the officiating department.
They have former super former officials who are supervisors that
are evaluating them. They get feedback on that, they get grades,
and there's then there's training tapes that go out to
(26:28):
all of the staff. And then they're back on the road.
You know, usually they're they're in the city the day before.
They have a couple of hour pregame meeting. They're scouting
during the week the two teams, you know, if they're
going to work the Eagles Lions games, they're looking at
their last couple of games. And looking for tendencies. So
there's so much that goes into it. It really is
(26:48):
during the season of a full time job, and and
you know, it's not just show up on Sunday, work
the game and go home, but it's you know, and
then there's so many plays during a week, and I
get it, like there's thousands and thousands of plays and
typically we end up talking about a handful, so they
do get the majority of them right, but you know,
the expectation is to be perfect, and we know that's
(27:10):
you know, not reasonable, but that's that's kind of where
we're at with it.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
If you could implement replay into the game today in.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
A way to enhance the game or make it better,
how would you do it, Like, what would specifically be
the way you do it?
Speaker 7 (27:23):
Well, we did, you know, with with whether it was
the XNFL and now the UFL. We we implemented the
coaches challenge where the coach could challenge anything, but we
limited it right, and so we said, hey, you've got
one challenge. We started with one, and at any point
during the game, if you feel it's an officiating mistake,
you can challenge that. We didn't put any limitations on
(27:45):
that and we wanted to try that and that, and
I think that's a good step. It wasn't perfect because
there were some situations where teams, you know, a team
through an interception and then they challenged that their own
left tackle had a false start prior to the play,
and we felt we felt like, okay, that doesn't feel right.
Where you can challenge that your own team fouled to
(28:09):
to get a better result. And so there's there's there's
kind of always unintended consequences. I do think there's four
or five plays in any football game that really decide
that game, and officials we talk about perfection. They got
to be perfect on those four or five plays. So
so rather than limit it to, you know, a subset
of plays, open it up to everything, but keep it,
(28:32):
keep it where it's once or twice a game where
you know, because I don't think there's anybody on that
crew or an officiating that would look at that call
at the end of the Lions Eagles game and say
that's the foul. So if you had an opportunity to
go back and look at it and say, hey, pick
it up fourth down, I think people, I think that
would be a good thing.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Well, so you're saying, make everything reviewable, just keep limit
the number of times you can use it.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Yeah, limit, limit the number. And I don't know, it's
maybe it's not everything, but but maybe it's almost everything
to where that play doesn't impact the outcome of the game.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
So I did want to ask you.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Dean Blandino joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, Jackson
Smith and Jigba Final Drive for the Seahawks this weekend,
and there was a what looked like at the very
least a missed a legal contact. The very next play.
They end up calling past interference on the rams and
(29:29):
the Seahawks continue to drive. Obviously they missed the kick
and they lose the game. But I'm looking at that
going it seemed like a makeup call. And I know
we see this in the NBA, to where they'll miss
something on one end of the floor, you'll you'll come
back the other, you know, two plays later and they'll
call something TICKI tak. Does that exist in the NFL?
(29:49):
And I don't know that. It's not like they're coached
up to, hey, you know, make up for it if
you screw something up.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
But is there the human nature?
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Hey, maybe I missed that one, you know, without you know,
without jeopardizing the entire game. It would be only fair
if I got this one right, because it did feel
like in that moment that that was a little bit
of a makeup call.
Speaker 7 (30:09):
Yeah, I can't look humans like you said, human nature.
I can't sit here and say that never crossed an
official's mind. In the NFL, I think there's fewer opportunities,
like you mentioned the NBA, there's so many opportunities to
call a foul or not call a foul in the NBA,
compared to one side judge in the NFL. Who's the
(30:31):
deep wing official that may have you know, you think
about run pass, you know, okay, so it's stay fifty fifty.
So now you're cut in half, and now you might
have maybe fifteen percent of the place go to the
receiver on your side of the field. So you have
fewer opportunities to even call fouls. But I don't think
it's a thing really in the NFL. Could it? Might
(30:53):
it have happened. Yeah, I'm sure it's happened at times
where maybe you kick one and you go, well, I
really I probably maybe I'm a little a little more
technical to kind of to kind of make up for
the one that I missed, But I just don't see
that happening. They're so focused on their keys and what's happening,
(31:13):
and to think about, Okay, I missed that one earlier.
I'm going to there's just too much going on to
kind of think that way.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
There's this whole thing with the whole safety aspect of it,
and the referees managing the way games are played to
keep it safer. And I'm gonna put that in air
quotes because my question would be one thing that jumped
out at me this weekend watching games was the whole
(31:40):
when the ball is tipped, right, Like I saw a
couple of dudes get obliterated when the ball got tipped,
and while it may not be considered targeting, it could
be considered hitting a defenseless receiver. And so to me,
it's like, Okay, if we're getting all of these fouls
that are going again, it's the defenders.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Why stop where you're at?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Why Why would you still if it's all about safety
and safety components? Why are why are guys able to
tee off on a receiver if the ball is tipped?
Why is a why is a punter able to be
made contact with if if the ball is touched like
it just seems to me you might as well just
go ahead and throw flags on all of that stuff.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
Yeah, well the tip, I think you mentioned the punter.
The tip really twipp for receivers. We know it. It
negates past and difference, right, we always we see that
a lot because the whole deal with the timing of it. Right,
I'm the defensive player and I'm playing the ball and
gets tipped and now I make contact before the ball
gets there. Well, the tip affected that. But with the
with the safety element, that receiver, the intended receiver tip
(32:51):
or not, is still defenseless. So you can't go to
the headneck area. Now you do see, Yeah, the ball
is tipped, it's never going to get there, and the
guy just gets blown up. But you don't hit him
in the head neck. It's legal if it's not late,
if it's not away from the play, it's legal. So
I don't know, you know, if they'll go that far.
I think the theory with the punt is, you know,
(33:12):
guy makes a great play and blocks the kick and
now just happens to catch a piece of the punter
and where you know, he really was going to the ball,
So I think that was the theory behind that. But again,
you know, the safety rules are always evolving, and we're
going to see we're going to see more. You know,
something's going to come up and we're going to say, okay,
we got to add a rule. You know, we talked
about the hip drop, we talk about these other things
(33:33):
that are happening. So that's not going to go away.
And I wouldn't be surprised we see more safety rules
come online the next couple of years.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Hey, Dean, last one for me.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
You know, have you ever a top of those people
who they tend to get a lot of saliva and
build up and all that stuff, and they kind of
spit on their talk or maybe they get overly energetic
or excited and then they start.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Spraying a little bit.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
How are you guys coaching up those officials to differentiate
the guy who's a spread as oxpposed to a guy
who's spitting on someone.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
Well, I think you get to ask them in they're
usually they're pretty straight, you know, fourth right about it?
And then did you spit on him? And they say no, okay, fine,
he didn't spit on him? And then you know when
the video shows up, and I mean that bit was
worse than the Jalen Carter spit from the week one.
But you know, I don't think that one was No
(34:23):
official was in you know, obviously with Jalen Carter in
the in the opening game, there was an official right there.
There was no official with those two guys close enough
to see it. And then even on the broadcast, the
video wasn't clear cut. I think had that been because
they threw flags the officials, then the people in New
(34:44):
York could look at that and if there's something else
that that should result in the disqualification. But the video
just wasn't clear cut till we saw that whatever that
camera angle was after the fact.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Let me ask you on the Jalen Carter Basically, they
assessed him a one game suspension, but they counted it
as that game that he was kicked out of because
the first play of the game. So at what point
in the game does it count as a game?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Like, if Jaylen done that in the second quarter, does
that count as three quarters of a game? And he's
only going to miss you know, the first quarter of
game two? Like, how does that work.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
I think it's literally it would have to be. I
don't there's no there's nothing in black and white that
says it's with Jalen. It was easy because he did
miss the entire game. I think if that's in the
fourth quarter, then he's there's a better chance that he's
going to get suspended for a full game. They would
never suspend. They don't. They don't suspend for a quarter.
It's not it's not like that, you know. They probably
(35:44):
I would say, just wallpark it first quarter. They might
they might say, Okay, you missed every three and a
half quarters. But I think now we've got we've got
a precedent now that if you spit on somebody, you're
going to lose a game, you know, And then and
then we'll see.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
The whole thing's ridiculous, like just spinning on guys.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
I got one more question for you, Dean the run
by the tight end in Pittsburgh, Darnell Washington, he comes out,
he jabs, he jabs to do with the stiff arm.
I mean, it was like you could call it a
punch to the face. He sat him down, then he
lowers his head, which was clearly should be considered a
(36:27):
targeting the guy trying not to be targeting him in
his big ass he misses him, and then he puts
his head down again, and it looks like another blatant
targeting that takes place at the end of the run.
I mean he targeted twice in the run. I just
at what point do we say, you know, you gotta
(36:50):
let these guys tackle, like all this hip dropping, Like
if it's an egregious hip drop, a guy grabs you
by your horse collar, drops his butt on the back
of your leg. I get that, But at some point
we do have to take into consideration bigger, stronger, faster, how.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Are you supposed to be?
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Like, all right, you're doing it with these big ass
quarterbacks and they get away with it. But once you
get into ball carriers, you know, guys that are catching
the ball, I mean, will there will there ever be
a real attention to the detail of what these offensive
guys are doing when they're running the ball.
Speaker 7 (37:27):
Yeah, you know, it's it's a great point. It's something
that we've discussed that length. And the theory, OHI is
was the ball carrier was was the priority thing himself and.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
He's allowed to protect himself.
Speaker 7 (37:40):
Yeah, And the defenders. The defenders are trying to get
are trying.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Most of the time, they're trying to hurt them.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
Ninety eight percent of the time the defenders initiating the contact.
But we see it and like the stiff Farm, Yeah
you can stip Farm, but you can't wind up and
with a forcible blow to the headneck or really anywhere.
You can't lower the head and initiate contact with the helmet.
They do, they get rarely gets called used to helmet
on the on the ball carrier. They do fine. And
(38:10):
one I know, you know the kid from the Giants, Scatterboo.
He's out now, but he I think he got fined
two or three times his first couple of games for
lower and his head and initiating contact with the helmet.
So it is. It is a hard one, especially East,
because now it feels like I watched games and I
feel like I see seventeen hip drop tackles. I'm like,
and they're not They're not done maliciously. It's just that's
(38:32):
the mechanics of the body trying to get this bigger
guy on the ground. It just happens. And so I
think defense is at a disadvantage. I don't think that's
going to change, but it's just one of those things
that got to kind of work through at this point.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Dean always appreciated. Thanks so much. We do it again
next week.
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That's that's how I know I saw it.
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It was it was a cutaway. It was b roll
on land Man. And I rewatched it yesterday. I saw
I'm like, oh, I was from Landman. So it wasn't
It wasn't a real stadium. It was a just part
of the show. I feel like it was a real stadium, bro,
like the way they use real real landmarks in the show,
(03:29):
like they used real kick stadium is what it's called.
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It was there's a Dickey's Arenas arena.
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like it's not a reality show.
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It's like takes place in a real place, like they
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that's for certain. Not really, I mean the Cowboys were drilling. Yeah,
they were.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
The Cowboys were drilled. They were drilling. They found that
glory they found.
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Gloryhole, that damn advantage. Tom Brady gives a Raiders every week.
Son of a bitch man. I mean, all of the
fallout maybe it's gone. Maybe ten years from.
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Now, when they win a Super Bowl and get close
to being undefeated, they'll blame it on when Tom Brady
came at this point, you know that sounds about right.
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Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
So we got Dean Blandino coming up in about fifteen
minutes from now, and I'm you know, I felt like
it was a bad week in some big moments for
the NFL when it comes to officiating, and I wanted
to play a little something for you guys that I
heard from Adam Thielen, who was on our Fox Sports
radio affiliate k Fan in Minneapolis. Uh, he had this
(04:52):
to say about the officiating in the NFL as a stands.
Speaker 8 (04:55):
I think we need to have full time referees. But
it's like, we have these guys that are kind of
fan way a little bit, like they love the fact
that they get to go out there and they get
to shake hands with Patrick Mahomes, they get to hang
out with these professional athletes, and then they go to
their real job on Monday through Friday and tell everybody
how cool their side job is. I think that there
should be full time.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Referee, so I never put it. I've never heard to
put that way.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
Yeah, that's it's kind of problematic, know that you've got
some fanboys, at least in the opinion of Adam Field,
that are out there and not actually guys that are
there to make the right calls.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
It's so a little history on this.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
You know, the NFL did have a past attempt at
full time employee or a full time officials right. They
experimented with a program like back in twenty nineteen but stopped.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I don't know why, but.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
They they did try to have that, And I would
say this during this season, there's a lot of time
that's dedicated, significant amount of time that's getting dedicated to
the job that they're doing, even though it is part time.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
In regards to additional training, et cetera.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
But it is the NFL is the only professional sports
league that doesn't have officials that have you know, this
is their full time job.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
That's interesting. That is interesting.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Mean, well you're going to do I mean they should
definitely be learning how quickly things are moving in the game.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Full time.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Officiating and field conditions feel like pretty important parts of
the game. And they nickel and dime both. And that's
a league that makes a fortune every single years. That's
the part I don't understand. I really don't get it.
I don't know why you can't, Like, if you've got
this league that's the number one league in the country,
(06:59):
people love it, trying to grow it, they're trying to
expand it internationally, they're trying to do all these things,
and yet you go on the cheap when it comes
to two key parts of it, which is officiating and
field conditions. I don't get it. It just doesn't make
any sense to me, and I've never understood it.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Well, it's not going anywhere, That's how I look at it.
It's again, it's a necessary part of the game. It's
almost like if you thought it was bad with referees like,
minimize referees, minimize the calls, and you'll see what bad
truly is. So it's almost like you know, removing traffic
(07:40):
lights from you know, from the roads. You gotta have
you gotta have stops, you gotta have slow downs, you
gotta have goes like you got to.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Have all of those things.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
And referees are hired to to manage the games. It's
what they're there for. And so regardless of what people's
feelings may be, how strong they may be on on referees,
they're there for a reason. They execute. And the one
thing that you can say that you're going to get
(08:14):
with referees is just consistently inconsistent. And that just has
to be a that has to be a part of
it that whether you're willing to accept it or not,
you have to understand that it's part of the game done.
I mean, that's really like it's a simple explanation to
(08:34):
be honest.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Right, But.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
I guess this is what bothers me about the NFL
and where we're at in twenty twenty five. So they
have one less official than college football does Did you
know that? Yes, you've made that point clear because it's
the stupidest thing to not have at least one additional.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Set of eyes where you can put them in a position.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
Whether they're able to put evly come and help out
with a call or take the burden off of the
other officials who obviously are already tasked with whether it's
watching the line of scrimmage, whether it's watching the quarterback,
watching the receivers and dbs. It doesn't make any sense
to me how you wouldn't invest in just one more
(09:20):
part time official doesn't make any sense. So there's that.
The next thing is replay. The NFL has been arguably
the worst professional sports league to implement replay in an
effective manner, and it can and we can go as
(09:43):
as long as we want about this to look at
the fact that there's there, you know, there are static
cameras now that are that are put up or they're
able to see at least on the boundaries of the field.
That is one adjustment they've made which has helped. And
they've got the chip in the football, so that helps
for measurement. There's some other subtleties they've they've created that help.
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But the fact that, for example, in many cases where
we have subjective calls. We've not been able to implement
replay to a manner that makes it as effective as
it should be. It's just it's crazy to me that
the best professional sports league in the US can't figure
(10:27):
out replay. I mean, it hurts the game, hurts the
integrity of the game.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I just I think I don't know how much time
it takes if you implement it for everything. I mean,
I know, if it's implemented in the few times where
it's like the play was called or the flag was
not thrown or something happened, I get it. But there
now you're opening your opening Pandora's box, because you're going
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to have to do that a whole lot.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
There's a whole lot.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Of times where something left to you know, the discretion
of the person who's making the call. If you got
to do that every time, I would assume that that's
going to lengthen the game. Even if you're efficient with it,
it's going to lengthen the game. And you don't want
the game to be any longer than what they are.
(11:22):
You know, who does replay right? Major League Baseball? Like
it is quick, it's efficient. I know, it's easier to
get some of that stuff right.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I think it's apples to oranges comparison.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
But I mean it's still a TV product and they
figured out a way to speed it up, keep it moving.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
The NFL has figured out a way to make sure
that their games finish when they're supposed to finish. Somebody,
I don't understand how it happens, and even we brought
it up to Dean, I don't understand how it happens.
But very rarely do you see a game go into
bleed into the next game. You don't see it. They're
generally die and there. That is a major part of it.
(12:04):
It's a major part of it. You got to get
through the game.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
You don't think they could speed up some of these reviews.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Sure they could, That's what I'm saying. They could speed
up some of the reviews. They could be more efficient
and more effective with some of the things that they do.
There doesn't have to be an element of drama that
plays out every single time there's a challenge. It doesn't.
It could be very quickly came from the boom boom.
It's a first down. You don't have to measure, you
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don't have to wait for a review it already came in.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Boom. It's a first out.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Move them sure on things like that, but there's going
to be certain things that if you implement that type
of rule that does that take does that slow the
game down? And there's a strong possibility that instant replay
will slow the game down. That's that's my estimation on it.
I could be off, but I don't think so. You're
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trying to get through the game. They got to get
you through the game. So the penalties they're gonna call,
they're gonna call them, and the replays that they're gonna do,
they're gonna do them, but they're going to do it
within the parameters of getting the game over. Like like,
manage the game, keep the flow of the game for
(13:16):
the you know, the best way that you can, but
manage the game where we can get the game done
in the timeframe that it's supposed to be done. It's
no different than when Q's talking on the Big Noon
and it's he's given his points and they come in
they come in his era, rap all right, all right,
rap okay, boom. Then then the next go Mark's going,
Mark's making a great point. Mark's in the middle of
(13:37):
making a great point. You gotta rap, you gotta hit
the bomp, hit the bomp, hit the bo gotta go
guys quick, yeah, there you go, finish it up. And
it's way different in television like Lorenas is like okay,
like it's a courtesy. These dudes are really telling you
get out now. Excuse me, now, get out now. So
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I think that's that's that's how referees are, Like, it's
they're in there, they have air pieces on, they're being
communicated to. You got a whole team of referees on
the side of the field that are managing the situation
right along with the referees that are on the field.
So it's not just what people see. It's not that.
It's not as simple as Okay, here are the guys
(14:23):
that are on the field, they're calling the game boom
boom boom. There is a team of referees that are
standing on the side of the field that are are
taking notes. They're there, whatever their input is to what
what they're giving to the referees that are out there
on the field. It's it's a real operation, like this
isn't like some simple like Saturday morning flag football game
(14:44):
where they show up and they're they're volunteers and they're
somebody's dad, and they're reffing like, no, this is is
a real operation.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
The refs are.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Really doing what they're they're taught and trained to do
within those games.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
As part timers.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
You call it what you want, call it what you want,
like part time full time. The bottom line is is
whether if they're full time, it just means that they
probably have more time to do what it is that
they're doing, possibly are being compensated enough to do a
full time but nonetheless they're still being activated and onboard
(15:19):
it to be able to execute the game the way
that they want the game to be executed. It's a
billion dollar plus industry. You're not just putting referees out
there to just make calls. They are managing a billion
dollar production. That's what it is. That's what it's always
going to be, So get used to it. You don't
(15:41):
like it, don't like it, but it adds to the
drama of the games. It does the fact that you're
always going to look at a referee in some way somehow.
A referee has always had something to do with how
a game goes. It's just part of the game. Is
what it is, except it or don't, You're still gonna watch.
(16:05):
Damn Yeah, you're still gonna watch. You're still gonna play fantasy,
You're still gonna bet. You're gonna be happy when a
call goes your way and you won your parlay. You're
going to be upset when when a call is made
and it hurts your parlay.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
You're defending the shield.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I'm not defending the shield, and I'm not defending referees.
I'm just giving y'all a dose of reality here.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Man.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
It's an operation that's an operation within itself. I've said
this multiple time. I'm the NFL's doormat. They could roll
out a really poor product and I'll just keep watching
like I got. I mean, what else do I got
to do?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Like it?
Speaker 9 (16:36):
Just it.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
It's so much better than everything else. The NFL and
college football product is so much better than the next
best thing that even if they, you know, go down
a couple of notches from a from an entertainment and
quality standpoint, I'd still rather watch that than anything else.
It's from from a live sporting event, like it's it's
(16:59):
hard to beat those too. So yeah, they're in a
good place. They're fine, but uh, you know, some bad
calls man, and and we're gonna hear from Dean blandyin
on all that stuff coming up here shortly. So get
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Speaker 5 (19:30):
It's two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
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Fox Sports, NFL college football rules analyst. Get him on
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Speaker 2 (20:02):
Dean, good morning, Good morning, Dean.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
Good morning, guys, good morning.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Morning morning, Dean, good morning.
Speaker 7 (20:10):
He gets old.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
No, never.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Can I start though, I got to start with something.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Come on, what's now cool?
Speaker 7 (20:18):
I am? I am watching the new season of one
of my guilty Pleasures shows, Selling Sunset on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
And I'm watching and my man LeVar shows up looking
at some twenty million dollar real estate with his beautiful
wife and my favorite on the show, Bree, and I
am just I'm like, are you kidding me? At LeVar?
That was you are? You were really you were up
there for me. Now you're like, now you're Tom Brady level.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Well thanks, thanks Deane. I appreciate that. And you should
see the view we ended up uh settle in on
Actually it's actually better than the one from the show.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah it is actually so.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
But you you like doing the affirmations in the mirror
like it was a it was awesome.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Yeah, you got to do your affirmation, bro, thank you,
thank you, thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I know the affirmations are going to make today show.
Yeah they are.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Well, some of us don't need him like you, you know,
because he wakes up looking the way he looks.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
And all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Dean. So yeah, I'm not some of us don't have
to reassure ourselves.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
You know, we're not six for I was gonna say,
I'm not the type of guy that looks at a
mirror at himself a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I make sure to hold myself accountable.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Well, you don't need to.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
I don like he had a couple of people carry
mirror for him all the time.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Well, there you go. There's there's always that.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
By the way, speaking of speaking of people carrying the
mirror for him, uh, Dean, I got the call again
this weekend. I was begging our producer rich Gross to
get you on our broadcast. At some point we had
you on for like a moment, and I was able
to I was able to make a couple of throway comments,
but there wasn't really any much.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Of it back and forth, which is really unfortunate.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
I do appreciate the fact that you look like you've
balked up a little creating on there. The facial hair
is very well growed. I was trying to give you
a nice compliment there.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
Yeah, no, you did. You were you were complimenting me.
I appreciate that, you know. I'm always, you know, trying
to aspire to be to be you.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
So I'm see there you go. He's here myself. And
can I tell you what.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
Did you were? You were on my mind because I
don't know. In the in the Giants Packers broadcast, you know,
our new Fox Sports colleague Drew Brees, it was his
first game, and I went on the air to talk
about a play with with Drew and Adam Aman and
I had just spoken to you, and I Drew and
(22:48):
I called Drew Brady the broadcast.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
Which could have been taken multiple ways, right, Tom, Maybe.
Speaker 7 (22:56):
People immediately went to Tom Brady and then and then
I was like our shanks or shanks and figure they
were laughing and they were in my ear. I was like, no,
it wasn't Tom Brady. Was Brady Quinn. That was that
I was thinking about because I just talked to him so.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Right, which which you know, our producer wanted me to
say to you. He wanted me to make a comment
about how you had to be back in studio instead
of being with your new best friend Tom Brady, Like
that was supposed to be part of the bits.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
While you're working out, because you you're there with Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
That's what it is. I mean, just tell the truth.
You're on the gas, dear.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
I got I got some of the I do. I
may or may not have some TV twelve products in
my house.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Ye right, you're going to be making them Zoolander faces
before long.
Speaker 7 (23:41):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Add.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
I have to ask you the call that wrapped up
the Sunday action in the NFL, that it got everybody
hot and bothered that past interference. Could you even call that?
Could you even call that illegal contact?
Speaker 9 (23:58):
Like?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Was there anything there?
Speaker 7 (24:00):
No, there's nothing there. I don't Yeah, it's just nothing there.
I mean, it's just you know, you look at Agent Brown,
he's initiating as much contact and it's just not it's
just not a foul. It's unfortunate, you know, who knows,
who knows what would have happened. Detroit couldn't do anything
on offense anyway, But it's just they should have had
(24:20):
an opportunity to get the ball back. And that's just
it's just not a foul. It's not when you want
call it at any point in the game.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Let me ask you this, Dean.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
We we were having a spirited conversation, and it stemmed
around kind of the way you know, instant replay should
be used. I kind of went in a different direction
just in terms of the idea of the business of
itself of refereeing. Can you give us some insight on that, Like,
(24:51):
it's not like you have you know, these officials, they
go on the field, they call the game, then they
go about their business, go about their lives. Like I
made the point, like they're they're there's a team of
referees that are on the sideline. They're taking notes, they're
giving feedback, they're discussing what's going on. They all have headphones,
so they're communicating just like everybody else is communicating. They're
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a part of the production of the show. How can
you just give us some like can you pull the
curtain back a little bit on like the operation of
a referee crew?
Speaker 7 (25:23):
No, yeah, no question. I think that's one of the
common misconceptions about officials and referees and especially football, right
because it's one one game a week, and so they
a lot of them do have It's just the way
the sport evolves. I mean, you play one game a week,
you're going to have other jobs. It's not like these
officials make the kind of money that professional athletes make
(25:43):
for the most part, and so they do a lot
of them do have other jobs, but they're doing so
much during the week. There's communication. I mean, it starts
the game ends on Sunday. They have immediately they can
go to a website and the video, you know, the
coach's copy is downloaded, the TV copy is downloaded. They
start reviewing film immediately they leave the game, they're on
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the plane home wherever it is. And then there's conference
calls that during the week. Crew conference calls, there's position
conference calls, zoom calls. They're getting feedback from the officiating department.
They have former super former officials who are supervisors that
are evaluating them. They get feedback on that, they get grades,
and there's then there's training tapes that go out to
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all of the staff. And then they're back on the road.
You know, usually they're they're in the city the day before.
They have a couple of hour pregame meeting. They're scouting
during the week the two teams, you know, if they're
going to work the Eagles Lions games, they're looking at
their last couple of games. And looking for tendencies. So
there's so much that goes into it. It really is
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during the season of a full time job, and and
you know, it's not just show up on Sunday, work
the game and go home, but it's you know, and
then there's so many plays during a week, and I
get it, like there's thousands and thousands of plays and
typically we end up talking about a handful, so they
do get the majority of them right, but you know,
the expectation is to be perfect, and we know that's
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you know, not reasonable, but that's that's kind of where
we're at with it.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
If you could implement replay into the game today in.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
A way to enhance the game or make it better,
how would you do it, Like, what would specifically be
the way you do it?
Speaker 7 (27:23):
Well, we did, you know, with with whether it was
the XNFL and now the UFL. We we implemented the
coaches challenge where the coach could challenge anything, but we
limited it right, and so we said, hey, you've got
one challenge. We started with one, and at any point
during the game, if you feel it's an officiating mistake,
you can challenge that. We didn't put any limitations on
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that and we wanted to try that and that, and
I think that's a good step. It wasn't perfect because
there were some situations where teams, you know, a team
through an interception and then they challenged that their own
left tackle had a false start prior to the play,
and we felt we felt like, okay, that doesn't feel right.
Where you can challenge that your own team fouled to
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to get a better result. And so there's there's there's
kind of always unintended consequences. I do think there's four
or five plays in any football game that really decide
that game, and officials we talk about perfection. They got
to be perfect on those four or five plays. So
so rather than limit it to, you know, a subset
of plays, open it up to everything, but keep it,
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keep it where it's once or twice a game where
you know, because I don't think there's anybody on that
crew or an officiating that would look at that call
at the end of the Lions Eagles game and say
that's the foul. So if you had an opportunity to
go back and look at it and say, hey, pick
it up fourth down, I think people, I think that
would be a good thing.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Well, so you're saying, make everything reviewable, just keep limit
the number of times you can use it.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Yeah, limit, limit the number. And I don't know, it's
maybe it's not everything, but but maybe it's almost everything
to where that play doesn't impact the outcome of the game.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
So I did want to ask you.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Dean Blandino joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, Jackson
Smith and Jigba Final Drive for the Seahawks this weekend,
and there was a what looked like at the very
least a missed a legal contact. The very next play.
They end up calling past interference on the rams and
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the Seahawks continue to drive. Obviously they missed the kick
and they lose the game. But I'm looking at that
going it seemed like a makeup call. And I know
we see this in the NBA, to where they'll miss
something on one end of the floor, you'll you'll come
back the other, you know, two plays later and they'll
call something TICKI tak. Does that exist in the NFL?
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And I don't know that. It's not like they're coached
up to, hey, you know, make up for it if
you screw something up.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
But is there the human nature?
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Hey, maybe I missed that one, you know, without you know,
without jeopardizing the entire game. It would be only fair
if I got this one right, because it did feel
like in that moment that that was a little bit
of a makeup call.
Speaker 7 (30:09):
Yeah, I can't look humans like you said, human nature.
I can't sit here and say that never crossed an
official's mind. In the NFL, I think there's fewer opportunities,
like you mentioned the NBA, there's so many opportunities to
call a foul or not call a foul in the NBA,
compared to one side judge in the NFL. Who's the
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deep wing official that may have you know, you think
about run pass, you know, okay, so it's stay fifty fifty.
So now you're cut in half, and now you might
have maybe fifteen percent of the place go to the
receiver on your side of the field. So you have
fewer opportunities to even call fouls. But I don't think
it's a thing really in the NFL. Could it? Might
(30:53):
it have happened. Yeah, I'm sure it's happened at times
where maybe you kick one and you go, well, I
really I probably maybe I'm a little a little more
technical to kind of to kind of make up for
the one that I missed, But I just don't see
that happening. They're so focused on their keys and what's happening,
(31:13):
and to think about, Okay, I missed that one earlier.
I'm going to there's just too much going on to
kind of think that way.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
There's this whole thing with the whole safety aspect of it,
and the referees managing the way games are played to
keep it safer. And I'm gonna put that in air
quotes because my question would be one thing that jumped
out at me this weekend watching games was the whole
(31:40):
when the ball is tipped, right, Like I saw a
couple of dudes get obliterated when the ball got tipped,
and while it may not be considered targeting, it could
be considered hitting a defenseless receiver. And so to me,
it's like, Okay, if we're getting all of these fouls
that are going again, it's the defenders.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Why stop where you're at?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Why Why would you still if it's all about safety
and safety components? Why are why are guys able to
tee off on a receiver if the ball is tipped?
Why is a why is a punter able to be
made contact with if if the ball is touched like
it just seems to me you might as well just
go ahead and throw flags on all of that stuff.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
Yeah, well the tip, I think you mentioned the punter.
The tip really twipp for receivers. We know it. It
negates past and difference, right, we always we see that
a lot because the whole deal with the timing of it. Right,
I'm the defensive player and I'm playing the ball and
gets tipped and now I make contact before the ball
gets there. Well, the tip affected that. But with the
with the safety element, that receiver, the intended receiver tip
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or not, is still defenseless. So you can't go to
the headneck area. Now you do see, Yeah, the ball
is tipped, it's never going to get there, and the
guy just gets blown up. But you don't hit him
in the head neck. It's legal if it's not late,
if it's not away from the play, it's legal. So
I don't know, you know, if they'll go that far.
I think the theory with the punt is, you know,
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guy makes a great play and blocks the kick and
now just happens to catch a piece of the punter
and where you know, he really was going to the ball,
So I think that was the theory behind that. But again,
you know, the safety rules are always evolving, and we're
going to see we're going to see more. You know,
something's going to come up and we're going to say, okay,
we got to add a rule. You know, we talked
about the hip drop, we talk about these other things
(33:33):
that are happening. So that's not going to go away.
And I wouldn't be surprised we see more safety rules
come online the next couple of years.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Hey, Dean, last one for me.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
You know, have you ever a top of those people
who they tend to get a lot of saliva and
build up and all that stuff, and they kind of
spit on their talk or maybe they get overly energetic
or excited and then they start.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Spraying a little bit.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
How are you guys coaching up those officials to differentiate
the guy who's a spread as oxpposed to a guy
who's spitting on someone.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
Well, I think you get to ask them in they're
usually they're pretty straight, you know, fourth right about it?
And then did you spit on him? And they say no, okay, fine,
he didn't spit on him? And then you know when
the video shows up, and I mean that bit was
worse than the Jalen Carter spit from the week one.
But you know, I don't think that one was No
(34:23):
official was in you know, obviously with Jalen Carter in
the in the opening game, there was an official right there.
There was no official with those two guys close enough
to see it. And then even on the broadcast, the
video wasn't clear cut. I think had that been because
they threw flags the officials, then the people in New
(34:44):
York could look at that and if there's something else
that that should result in the disqualification. But the video
just wasn't clear cut till we saw that whatever that
camera angle was after the fact.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Let me ask you on the Jalen Carter Basically, they
assessed him a one game suspension, but they counted it
as that game that he was kicked out of because
the first play of the game. So at what point
in the game does it count as a game?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Like, if Jaylen done that in the second quarter, does
that count as three quarters of a game? And he's
only going to miss you know, the first quarter of
game two? Like, how does that work.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
I think it's literally it would have to be. I
don't there's no there's nothing in black and white that
says it's with Jalen. It was easy because he did
miss the entire game. I think if that's in the
fourth quarter, then he's there's a better chance that he's
going to get suspended for a full game. They would
never suspend. They don't. They don't suspend for a quarter.
It's not it's not like that, you know. They probably
(35:44):
I would say, just wallpark it first quarter. They might
they might say, Okay, you missed every three and a
half quarters. But I think now we've got we've got
a precedent now that if you spit on somebody, you're
going to lose a game, you know, And then and
then we'll see.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
The whole thing's ridiculous, like just spinning on guys.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
I got one more question for you, Dean the run
by the tight end in Pittsburgh, Darnell Washington, he comes out,
he jabs, he jabs to do with the stiff arm.
I mean, it was like you could call it a
punch to the face. He sat him down, then he
lowers his head, which was clearly should be considered a
(36:27):
targeting the guy trying not to be targeting him in
his big ass he misses him, and then he puts
his head down again, and it looks like another blatant
targeting that takes place at the end of the run.
I mean he targeted twice in the run. I just
at what point do we say, you know, you gotta
(36:50):
let these guys tackle, like all this hip dropping, Like
if it's an egregious hip drop, a guy grabs you
by your horse collar, drops his butt on the back
of your leg. I get that, But at some point
we do have to take into consideration bigger, stronger, faster, how.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Are you supposed to be?
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Like, all right, you're doing it with these big ass
quarterbacks and they get away with it. But once you
get into ball carriers, you know, guys that are catching
the ball, I mean, will there will there ever be
a real attention to the detail of what these offensive
guys are doing when they're running the ball.
Speaker 7 (37:27):
Yeah, you know, it's it's a great point. It's something
that we've discussed that length. And the theory, OHI is
was the ball carrier was was the priority thing himself and.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
He's allowed to protect himself.
Speaker 7 (37:40):
Yeah, And the defenders. The defenders are trying to get
are trying.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Most of the time, they're trying to hurt them.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
Ninety eight percent of the time the defenders initiating the contact.
But we see it and like the stiff Farm, Yeah
you can stip Farm, but you can't wind up and
with a forcible blow to the headneck or really anywhere.
You can't lower the head and initiate contact with the helmet.
They do, they get rarely gets called used to helmet
on the on the ball carrier. They do fine. And
(38:10):
one I know, you know the kid from the Giants, Scatterboo.
He's out now, but he I think he got fined
two or three times his first couple of games for
lower and his head and initiating contact with the helmet.
So it is. It is a hard one, especially East,
because now it feels like I watched games and I
feel like I see seventeen hip drop tackles. I'm like,
and they're not They're not done maliciously. It's just that's
(38:32):
the mechanics of the body trying to get this bigger
guy on the ground. It just happens. And so I
think defense is at a disadvantage. I don't think that's
going to change, but it's just one of those things
that got to kind of work through at this point.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Dean always appreciated. Thanks so much. We do it again
next week.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
All right, guys, there he is a great Dean Blandino,
get him on x at Dean Blandino Up. Next, we're
going to close up shop with the Leftovers right here
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Speaker 12 (39:45):
Oh boys, we got a little touch back from our
conversation yesterday. We were trying to figure out which show
stole Jonas's famous Monte Beilanos little Thing Bylanyo.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Let me update take you off that exact song.
Speaker 12 (40:04):
Okay, we know this is Monty's little get up.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
But you created that, Jonas, Yeah, you created that. You
did it. So we play that again, then I go
it together.
Speaker 12 (40:17):
I don't know if I can rewind it back to
that exact spot right now, but I do want to
show you the show that knocked off jonas little thing off.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
But right now it times to go to Mancy for
an update. You mean blonios the rule it goes.
Speaker 12 (40:34):
Let the update take you.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
That's how it goes.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
I mean, imitation is the biggest form of flat To
be fair, she did she did credit and uh and
give us, you know, give us love for that.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah they did. Yeah they tried to. At least I
heard there you go the originally
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