June 27, 2025 • 40 mins
With Justin Tucker being handed a 10-game suspension, his Hall of Fame chances take a huge hit. Honest criticism for “players-coach” Mike Tomlin. Plus, a weekend preview on Lee’s Leftovers.
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am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. So the big news
that came out in the NFL yesterday, I don't think
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that much of a surprise necessarily, but it was newsworthy
because it was a big time move made by one
team in the NFL. That's one of these stable organizations
we've talked about, that would be the Baltimore Ravens. It
was announced yesterday former Ravens kicker Justin Tucker was suspended
for the first ten weeks of the regular season after
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the NFL found that he did violate the league's personal
conduct policy. This was in regard to the allegations made
against him of a sexual misconduct at multiple massage parlors
in and around the Baltimore area during I believe a
four year stretch twenty twelve to twenty sixteen. And look,
if he were to sign with a team, he could
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attend training camp, he could even participate in preseason games.
But he's not eligible to actually playing an NFL game
until November eleventh, according to the National Football League. So
it does feel like the Baltimore Ravens knew this was
the potential. It does feel like the Baltimore Ravens knew
that this was possibility and that we could be seeing
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Justin Tucker release from the team. And so Justin Tucker,
now released, now faces a ten game suspension, one game
less than Deshaun Watson. All right, so one game less
for anybody keeping score on this. It's a lot of
football games.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Again, I would be surprised if I see him, especially
this upcoming season. I'd be surprised if you saw him back.
I just don't think you say winning games outweighs it.
I don't think it does. I think it's a bad look.
I think the fact that you're bringing him in, if
you brought him in after he finished his suspension, I
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think you open yourself up to criticisms that and scrutiny.
That's just it's not necessary. It's not needed. Hall of
Fame kicker, pretty dang good, good ball player in his prime,
But is it worth the headache?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I just don't see how it is now.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
John Harbad, the Ravens head coach, in discussing this earlier
this offseason, explain the reasoning behind the release. If you remember,
they drafted a kicker this past year before they announced
the release of Justin Tucker, which I think was the
beginning of the end. But John Harbaugh had this to say,
when it came to the.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Decision, it was a complex decision making process, and you
know you're I'm a part of it. Eric Sashi, Ozzie
Steve is a big part of those kind of decisions.
I mean, you're talking about, you know, arguably the best
kicker in history of the game, you know, And like
we said, it's multi layered, it's complicated, but you've got
to in the end, it all backs up. It all
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comes back to what you have to do to get
ready for your team to play the first game. And
I think if you step back and you take a
look at all the issues and all the ramifications, you
can understand that, you know, we've got to get our
football team ready and we've got to have a kicker
ready to go, and that that was a move that
we decided to make.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
All right, He said absolutely nothing in that well, because
I think I think they've what the Ravens have done,
I think is be kind to Justin Tucker and said
all the right things because they probably recognized Listen, the
guy went through a little bit of a creepy, weirdo period.
But the guy that we know maybe since that time,
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is a different player that along with he struggled a
little bit last year. We got to move on. So
I think they've been kind.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
They didn't they.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Haven't aired him out in public, or they haven't you know,
made an example of him and all that, and so
John Harbaugh seemingly did that as well too. But one
of the things that he did mention there was, you know,
arguably one of the greatest kickers of all time. So
I just wonder when it comes to a discussion about
him as a Hall of Famer, like, say, for example,
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Justin Tucker gets picked up by a team, he is
he is eligible to play again, you know, in November,
But say a team's like, man, we don't want to
deal with that in season. We don't want to deal
with the drama. We don't want to deal with the
blowback or having these conversations, because the only reason you're
signing Justin Tucker during the year would be if you've
got a problem at the kicker position anyways, and to
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welcome in more dysfunction at a position and more conversation
and more drama to a position that you've already got
drama in, which is why you're even in the market
for a kicker at that point that late in the
year maybe isn't the best fit. But next off season
I could see a team kicking the tires on Justin
Tucker and saying, let's give him a shot, he's one
of the best kickers of all time. My question would
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be this, say he goes and he plays for another team,
and clearly it's not going to be Baltimore, and it's
not going to be Cleveland because they've already got too
many and definitely not going to be New England because
Robertkraft doesn't want the reminders. If they were to bring
in Justin Tucker and he finishes at his career at
a high level like he was form majority of his career,
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does this ten game suspension impact him being a Hall
of Famer? Because I think it would, and I don't
know that it would for maybe another position outside of
you know, punter, and but I could see this being
a make or break for a position that doesn't have
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a lot of Hall of Famers.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
And that's a good point. The last point is a
good point. There's not very many specialists Hall of famers.
So it wasn't going to be a first ballot Hall
of Famer either, you know so, and that wasn't going
to be based upon anything other than that's just not
it's just not a high profile position for the Hall
of Fame. And with that being said, when you have
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something like this take place. It one hundred percent damages
your image and whether there was a if there was
a conviction, it's an absolute no. Without this going to
trial and it becoming a legal thing and all that
that comes along with it, he settles this out of
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court and never sees the light of day. He's going
to be a Hall of Famer. It's just a matter
of when, and it'll be far removed from from anyone
possibly even really remembering who Justin Tucker is, let alone
remembering some of his transgressions off of the field.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, I just look at it because this is one
of the things that we mentioned yesterday about Robert Craft
and him being at Fanatics Fest and talking about how
the last two years or the worst of his time
and all that, and one of the the thoughts on
why he's not in the Hall of Fame when a
guy like Jerry Jones is, when he's got double the
amount of Super Bowls as Jerry Jones is, do people
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who are voting for the Hall of Fame look at
what happened with Robert Craft in Jupiter, Florida, at the
Orchards of Asia and do they look at that and
is that why they've decided not to put them in
the Hall of Fame because it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
And that's what we do know, that's what the public
does know. You and I both know. There are a
lot of things that you know. People close to situations
like that, that know one another and have built relationships
through the year years, they may have more knowledge and
more color on everything on a lot of things that
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take place that the general public isn't privy to. There
are a lot of things that I know specifically that
I would never talk about on air. And so if
you're one of those people, it doesn't mean I don't
judge them. And I hate to say that I'm a
judger at times. I do judge at times. It is
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what it is for me. I feel how I feel
about things. But there are people that I know things
about that could ruin their entire image and ruin their
entire reputation if that truth ever came out. And I
don't ever talk about it, and I don't get involved
in it, but I do look at that person or
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those people in particular, and I do not have what
it would would have used to have been a healthy
affinity for him and respect. I don't have any of that,
and you just live in that. And so when you
know things a certain type of way because you're in
it and you're around it, and you meet the same
people and you're around the same people and the information
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circulates from time to time, you know, that's what you
live in. And so to me, you know, asking the question,
does this impact Pat?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Pat?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
My guy? Not Pat because he's the guy, he's the man.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
But Bob is Bob Kraft, Bob Kraft, Robert Kraft, robber Krabt.
If it's impacting him getting in Bobby orchids something, there's
I'm gonna just say this, and I'm gonna say it confidently,
just knowing the things that I have seen with my
own two eyes. There are things that people are aware
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of about Robert Kraft that make it make it difficult
to vote on man. There's got to be, because there's
no other reason why he would not be at his age.
There's noon as long as he's been around, there's no
reason for him to not be inducted into the Hall
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of Fame by now.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
And apparently that's a real that really burns his ass,
that he's not a Hall of Famer, that he's not
like he's really pushed for it. The fact that Jerry
Jones got it before him bothers him, according to it
to people close to Robert Kraft, because those two don't
necessarily see eye to eye all the time. But like
there's yeah, there's gotta be more too, but it is.
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It's just interesting how those moments people keep score and
yet you look at other players in the in the
Pro Football Hall of Fame, and there's stuff that that
was out on all of them. Like, look, Ben Roethlisberger
is going to be a Hall of Famer, no doubt
about it, no question whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Damn he had some stuff going on earlier in his career.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
You get there's a list, like there's a few dudes
in that Hall of Fame. There's a list. It's just like,
let's be clear, there's there's a list.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
You pick and choose which are well, we could look
the other way, or he was so great that that
we're fine with that. It's like Robert Kraft, guys won
six Super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I haven't listened to an R. Kelly song since everything
came out? What came out?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Everything? Oh pause?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I mean anyway, but some people listen to R. Kelly
and they'll tell you. I don't get involved with R
Kelly the person that's locked up. I just enjoy R
Kelly's music for what it's worth, that face value. I
can't do that. I don't know why. Maybe it's because
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I have daughters. I don't know, but I can't do it.
I've never listened to R Kelly after everything came out.
So some people can separate the two. Some people can't.
And when you can't, you base your judgments and you're
you're showing a favor or lack thereof based off of
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how you're you feel.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
And I also think, like I can separate the two,
I don't. I don't look at any professional athlete like
a role model or anything like that. I don't base
my life around you know, that's the example I want
to live. I've said I said this earlier this week.
I think everybody's got a little bit of scumbag in them.
It just depends on how often it comes out. And
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some people let it out and let that out of
the cage a little bit more than others. Some people
keep it pretty closed up. I just think while I
can compartmentalize the player from the stuff off the field,
I totally understand how some people can't. And once you
put your fate in somebody else's hands, like for example,
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Justin Tucker or potentially robber Craft, that that's why he's
not in the Hall of Fame. Once you do that, yeah,
you can't pitch about it.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
When you was laying down on that table and he
was telling him to do more, you should have been
thinking about that hall of fame. You just can't.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
You can't think of it like you can't complain about
it like that.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I just I tend to believe that when you say
hall of fame and I'm in a hall of fame,
I just for me, I feel as though I have
to be responsible over first and foremost my own brand,
me personally. What Errington means a name I was given
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before I even knew who I was. I'm defending, I'm building,
I'm growing, and I am protecting the reputation of my
family name. And that's I'm very prideful about that. So
when I make decisions, I make decisions cautiously, and I
make decisions knowing that you know, any one moment, I
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just having this conversation with man Man yesterday, any one
moment can take away a lifetime of hard work to
build the right reputation, and it's unfortunate that some people
just go overboard, like you can have fun. Nobody's saying
you got to be a hermit, you can't do anything.
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You can have fun. You can have your fun, but
you got to understand what you know when no means no,
You got to understand, you know, social cues, different things
that maybe some of these guys just don't seem to
feel like they need to have that as an asset
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or skill or something that's a part of you know,
what they bring to the table, and you make these decisions,
and I honestly believe some of the people that make
these decisions are fully unaware of how egregiously out of
pocket they are because they're that out of touch with reality.
I honestly believe that, Like when Deshaun Watson says he's
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he's innocent, I believe he honestly believes that based off
of his vision of the world. But with that being said,
when things like what came out on him come out
with things that came out on Robbercraft that came out,
when it comes out and it's discussed and it's public domain,
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and it's knowledge. The one thing that the public is
going to do is give an opinion, and one of
those opinion is going to become popular public opinion. And
if you're not looked upon positively as a hall of
fame or how can you be selected and put into
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such hollow ground knowing that something not good, not glowing,
not flattering about you and in fact landed you in
legal trouble. How are you supposed to be putting them
in the Hall of fame when most cases you say,
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that's infamy, not famous, that's infamous. So to me, I
think it does become a hard sale to put a
person into the Hall of Fame that doesn't have a
good reputation both on and off the field, because you
are an ambassador. You are the ultimate ambassador to the game.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And there's also the you know, look, and this could
go down a whole rabbit hole of Major League Baseball
and how you know they're parameters for getting into the
Hall of Fame, which is just a joke, it's just
but yeah, those people have the pa to determine how
you're viewed from a legacy standpoint, but you have the
power to determine what they choose to look at from
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your conduct and for some people, some people, you know,
a little bit reckless out there. So but we will
a little bit, we'll see, we'll see what happens when
it comes to the case of.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Some of the most touched people are you know, are
Hall of famers, which is the appropriate word for this topic. Well,
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Lee's Leftover, Lee's Leftover will be yours here again a
little over fifteen minutes from now. There was a discussion
that was had this week on the latest edition of
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Nightcap Oh Yeah, where James Harrison, former Pittsburgh Steeler great,
was talking with your guy t J. Huschman Zada Yeah,
and he was having a discussion about Mike Tomlin. What
makes Mike Tomlin great and also what may be one
of the flaws is with old coach Tomlin there in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 10 (20:41):
Mike thing I guess that I like about him this
he is a players coach, and the thing that I
disliked about him is he is a players coach to
a point of sometimes it can dis fro up you
know what I'm saying, because goes maybe a little too
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far with allowing certain things, you know what I'm saying
with certain players.
Speaker 11 (21:06):
And then it becomes an issue, you know, with that player.
So especially towards the end of my career. You know,
the biggest thing was, you know, ask a tough question,
you get a tough answer. Well, I was asking tough
questions and I wasn't getting the answer, you know, I
was you know, I was getting told things that weren't
the answer that was the true answer.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
And so that was love when cash you know it,
when they want to just say just I wish he
would have said just what he wanted to say, which
was like that you know that you know you I
don't know what it is, but when you're when you
use that many crutches and what it is that you're saying.
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He doesn't want to say something that he can't can't
take back. And and I do believe he's welcomed into
you know, the Stiller's facility, Stiller's training camps, stuff like that.
You'll see him around. I know, James Harrison, and James
is a really good dude. One thing about James he
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shoots from the hip too. Like that's why he's you know,
I fool with him so much is I'm one of
those guys I'm gonna shoot from the hip. I like
being around dudes that shoot from the hip. I don't
like passive aggressive dudes. I don't like dudes that min's
words or don't want to just say what they feel.
I don't like dudes that talk behind people's backs and
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won't say it to their face or a woman to
that point, like, whatever it is I got to say,
I could say it to you in your face, same
thing I say if you're not there. So in this situation,
in this SoundBite, he isn't saying exactly what he's feeling.
He's playing it's safe, and it leaves me wanting to
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understand more because I have heard things. I know a
few people that have played for coach Tomlin and had
played in Pittsburgh. I know people who have understood the
culture of what Pittsburgh, how it works, and why it's
thrived for so long, and why coaches have been able
to be in the seat for so long throughout the years.
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I understand it because I grew up learning it from
the older guys, from Jerome Bettis, from from Greg Lloyd.
Once I got an opportunity to be around these guys
DERMANI Dawson, Mike Mike White, I got an operating excuse me,
the White White shouts out to Mike White, that's my guy.
I got an opportunity to hear it firsthand what the
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culture of football was and ultimately what the culture of
the Pittsburgh Steelers was growing up. And then as a
guy that played in the league and you had peers
like I got really close with Joey Porter, a senior,
I got close with Jason Gilden, and like I said,
you know, you got really cool with James Harrison and
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obviously one of my closest friends that I consider one
of my best friends. As Plexico Bursts, I know so
many people that are connected to the organization, and I've
heard so many different things. I'm not going to ever
be the one that comes out and says some of
the things that I heard, because it's not my place
to do it. I just wish that whoever, you know,
in that moment, I wish James would have just said
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what he felt, because I'm hearing some of the things
that are being discussed or are talked about when the
Steelers are brought up, and he was alluding to it,
but he didn't really step into it.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
I think what he's getting at is Mike Tomlins, Like
Mike Tomlin can keep a secret, and we've seen the
example be Antonio Brown, George Pickens to where after they leave,
you go, oh wow, all that was going on, but
you didn't really hear much of that. And I've always
maintained maybe that's, you know, one of the appeals that
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Rogers has because it doesn't feel there's a lot of
loose lips in Pittsburgh. It doesn't feel like you've got
a lot of stuff that will leak out.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
But when it.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Does, they usually follow suit by moving away. Like we
heard rumblings about Antonio Brown, they moved off of him.
We heard rumblings about George Pickens, they moved off of him. Hell,
we heard rumblings about Kenny Pickett that he could have
dressed up for a game in Seattle opted not to.
They said, oh, no, listen, that's not true, that's not accurate.
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Mark Madden reported on that. Everybody said, oh, you don't
know what you're talking about. He said, no, my sources
are pretty credible on this, and what do they do.
I think that very offseason moved off of Kenny Pickett.
I just I think that Tomlin keeps everything a secret,
doesn't want stuff to come out, doesn't want it to
leak to the media, and ultimately the way they act
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afterwards tells you everything you need to know about how
that player really was in that locker room. But I
think to James Harrison's point, he's probably thinking, man, that
chef's that stuff should be squashed way sooner than it is.
And maybe Tomlin, because he's about winning games and willing
to deal with personalities and whatnot, maybe he just lets
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that stuff go on a little bit too far for
some of the other players in the locker room were like, dude,
are you going to step up and do anything about
this other than after it reaches a certain point and
his threshold might be higher than other people's, then you
decide to move off of all it.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Certainly was put on the front street with the whole
thing playing out between.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Ben Roethlisberger and Antonio Brown.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
It was put on front and it was a topic
of conversation. How do you handle it, Who's right, who's wrong?
Who do you get rid of? Who do you keep?
So this has happened before, I guess I'll touch on it. No,
I'm not going to do it again. It's just not
I know I've heard Ben Roethlisberger bring up the fact
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how he feels about how coach Tomlin has handle things
as the leader of the team and how that plays
into the culture of the Pittsburgh Steelers. I've heard that,
I'll say loosely or gently. I've heard that the culture
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has slowly deteriorated the Steeler The air quotes the Steeler culture,
and I won't go any deeper than that, the Steeler
culture has been slowly eroding under his tenure. That's where
I'll leave it.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
That he's willing to deal with more than maybe he
would have in previous years because they need all the
help they can get.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, but here's my thing, right, Coaches always have to
deal with more. They always have to deal with things
and people. The general republic will never know all that
they have to deal with in order to hold a
team together. I don't find there to be anything brilliant
or or really just out of the at the normal
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for that, like that's something that coaches have to do.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I think.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I think for me and how I've been looking at
just lately, how things have gone been going with the
Steelers is more of the culture of the locker room
and and how that plays out the the personalities that
are in the locker room, how do they govern and
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handle affairs in the locker room? Who's empowered to handle
those things?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
You got?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I'm sure James Deebo was UH an enforcer to the
locker room. And I think the reason why that team
was so good back in the earlier days when Tomlin
took over, was because of the personalities that you had
in that locker room. And you would say the same
would exist for Bill Cower, and the same existed for
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Chuck Nole. And you know, when you have those type
of personalities like a male Blunt and the white White
and Me and Joe Green and Jack both the Jacks,
Lambert and Ham, you have a mentality and a standard
and an expectation that became the identity of that team,
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and that carried on through the generations of players and coaches.
You see certain players play for the Pittsburgh Steelers, you
know what type of player you're getting. That's been the
outside linebackers position. It's been the defensive tackles position. It's
been the inside linebackers position. Oh, it's been the safety's position. Hey,
by the way, it's been the cornerbacks position. Oh, you
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think I'm joking from Brinson Buckner to Casey Hampton, same
type of dudes, different eras of time. Ray Seals, you
know Aaron Aaron.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Not Aaron? Was my man? Justin?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Is it Justin?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And a big big Keyesel Keseel Brett Keezel. You got
all these bad mother efforts on the defensive side of
the ball from from me and Joe Green the original
steel curtain to where they are.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
You know where they had gotten to.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Right then you're talking about guys like Kevin Green and
Jason Gilden and and and Earl Holmes and ken Ken
drel Bell. People don't even remember Ken drel Bell, but
that mentality of what the heartbeat of a team would be,
Rod Woodson and Cornell Lake and you know Dwayne Woodruff
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and all those guys. Then you look on the other
side of the ball and they have always produced a
receiver from Lewis Lips Louis Lips to to you know,
from you know Lynn Swan Swaneon and John Stalwart, Nancy Yancey,
Thigpenn and Charles Johnson and you know Andre Hastings.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
And then you move.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Into the more recent you know with Plexico Burrs and
Heinz Ward, you have always had a certain mentality and
a certain demeanor connected even at the running backs position,
when it was Tim Worley and it was you know,
it was Warren Williams, and it was Barry Foster, and
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you know, then it comes in you have John l
and then you have you know, Jerome Bettis, and you
always had this distinct personality connected to each position of
that team, and it plays out in the locker room.
They said Rod Woodson and Greg Lloyd were the enforcers
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of the locker room. I think the biggest issue here,
and I think what James Harrison is touching on and
alluding to, is that because of the way things are handled,
those tough conversations that he's talking about, Chuck no had
that with his guys, Bill Cower had that with his guys,
and there was an authoritative figure and there was a
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subordinate in all of these situations. But those subordinates ultimately
respected the fact that they had those conversations and they
were going back in the locker room and they were
having their way in terms of the tough conversations they're
having within the locker room culture. I think there's a
disconnect between this head coach at this point, even though
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they love him and even though he is a player's coach.
I think there's a disconnect because those topics aren't met
head on, and it doesn't establish the authoritative figure, and
it doesn't establish the subordinates, but the subordinates that go
in as the authoritative figures in the locker room. And
it's a deteriorating of a culture where you had players
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that were so strong and what it was that they
were doing and it were such a representative of the
coach that they were able to hold that locker room
and check and hold them accountable and create the standard
that has gone from generation a generation of each Pittsburgh
Steeler team. And you could sit here and say, I
don't know jacks about it. I'm only a fan. I'm
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only a fan. I do not know it from the inside,
but I do. Again, I will say this, I learned
it enough. It influenced me as a player growing up.
I learned it enough from the players that meantword me
that were Pittsburgh Steelers, and I learned it enough from
my friends once I became an adult what it looked like.
Because the Steelers have always been a team of interest
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to me, and.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
I've always been a fan of Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I know it seems like maybe as of late I
come across as like I'm a detractor of Mike Tomlin
as the coach. I think he is a fine person.
I think he is a fine coach. I think he
is a brilliant mind. I think he has done an
amazing job as the leader and the coach of this team.
But I do wonder if some of the things that
I hear, like the quote you heard or the sound
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you heard from Jay James Harrison, has he been too
much of a player's coach where you have compromised what
that standard and that expectation of being a Pittsburgh Steeler represents.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
You can't be the cool dad. You gotta be the
discipline guy. You gotta be the disciplinarian. Sometimes being the
cool dad and the popular dad ain't the ain't the
way to go, And uh, yeah it's not. But I mean,
let's look on the bright side. At least they're not
the Pirates, so you know there.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Is that or Pittsburgh Spirits. Yeah, I mean they're not
even around anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
And let's be honest here, if we're gonna. You know,
the Penguins aren't all that.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
The way it is and they got issues too.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
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Speaker 5 (36:00):
Least might smell a little fun incredible, but they're still good.
Time to find out what's lack.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Lacause left really smell funky today?
Speaker 10 (36:12):
Though?
Speaker 3 (36:12):
All right, we got literally yeah, did.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
You do Indian food and hazel not coffee? Again?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
No, I did have I did have hazel.
Speaker 9 (36:20):
I did have hazel nut coffee early in the morning.
But I in fact did have Lorena's leftover pizza, which
I think led to.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So Lorena's you're responsible for what you smell.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yeah, he doesn't go through that fast, are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Gas? Happens that fast?
Speaker 1 (36:36):
It does et it an hour before.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I'm just I'm just trying to understand why Lee is
so comfortable with being a funky mother at.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Lee it takes so long for stuff to digest. That's
not true at all for gas. No, I mean, yeah,
if I was gonna what did you eat yesterday? Uh,
I'm having trouble launch Lo Lo uh a libo or
some crap like that.
Speaker 9 (37:01):
Yeah, I split some some chicken tikitos early early in
the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
He makes everything like he puts everything on that I
won't eat it list.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
What's the what I won't eat it list?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Because you know what it does to you, because I
know what it does to him, and it makes it
seem gross. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just. I'm just
trying to understand. Why are you so comfortable being funky
bro Like? We got my work wife here, I get
let it rip, but she's not okay with you being
(37:34):
as funky as you are.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
How does that work?
Speaker 2 (37:37):
How do you settle into being a funky dude once?
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Once you break the seal? I don't do it to
you because I don't do it to you. But uh, Lorena,
yeah sorry, Lorena can get it. Yeah, I don't want
you act like we act like we were got that
Lee acts like we work in this giant mansion where
I don't worry. It's on the other side of the house,
not our problem. No, this is like a small studio space.
There's no one else this.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Wild don't come in anymore.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Just for everybody out there. I was wondering why I
don't come in.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
It's Lee's ass it lingers in his pants.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
That is crazy. It's not.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
That's crazy that the stink particles just be living in.
Speaker 9 (38:18):
I know it's category one versus category five. This was weak,
This wasn't there was no stink whatever. What does laundry
look like for you? Like a cup of you.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Wh you smell your pants and your drawls before you
throw them in.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
A lot of people do that.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
You know they have sniffed their pants or they'll sniff
their underwear.
Speaker 9 (38:36):
Really yes, yeah, I don't need to do that, you clear,
but do you just to be like and then throw it?
And there's been once in a while where I forget
if I've worn said said pants or whatever to give
them the sniff tests. Yeah, I bet you.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
More of your your garments have stains than not a percent.
Speaker 9 (39:00):
Uh yeah, I'm not like the leftover Yeah, like straight
up like yours. Don't stake non removable skit marks, the.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
You just have skin. Bar he's got tattoos.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yeah, yeah, you got them scratched his.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Talking about remember no Joye, you used to get back
in the day, you scratched and it had like smell
like pickle or something like that.
Speaker 9 (39:30):
He got them scratching, scratch it. He's got a payday.
He's got a payday bar in his trousers.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
I'm disgusting. Can we just gon now? What is that
dark chocolate?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Hell?
Speaker 9 (39:47):
Please?
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Stop?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
What the corner last night? I don't remember eating corn?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
I don't remember, So what do we got?
Speaker 6 (40:02):
Lee?
Speaker 9 (40:03):
I was gonna talk about Dylan Brooks's ex threatening to
cut off his fingers, but who cares about that?
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Guys?
Speaker 9 (40:08):
If you want to entertain yourself this weekend, you can
go see Brad Pitts F one making two point three
just dropped in one The Bear season four.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
I want to check it out. Got snowfall in there.
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the way up until the end of this hour nine
am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. So the big news
that came out in the NFL yesterday, I don't think
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that much of a surprise necessarily, but it was newsworthy
because it was a big time move made by one
team in the NFL. That's one of these stable organizations
we've talked about, that would be the Baltimore Ravens. It
was announced yesterday former Ravens kicker Justin Tucker was suspended
for the first ten weeks of the regular season after
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the NFL found that he did violate the league's personal
conduct policy. This was in regard to the allegations made
against him of a sexual misconduct at multiple massage parlors
in and around the Baltimore area during I believe a
four year stretch twenty twelve to twenty sixteen. And look,
if he were to sign with a team, he could
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attend training camp, he could even participate in preseason games.
But he's not eligible to actually playing an NFL game
until November eleventh, according to the National Football League. So
it does feel like the Baltimore Ravens knew this was
the potential. It does feel like the Baltimore Ravens knew
that this was possibility and that we could be seeing
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Justin Tucker release from the team. And so Justin Tucker,
now released, now faces a ten game suspension, one game
less than Deshaun Watson. All right, so one game less
for anybody keeping score on this. It's a lot of
football games.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Again, I would be surprised if I see him, especially
this upcoming season. I'd be surprised if you saw him back.
I just don't think you say winning games outweighs it.
I don't think it does. I think it's a bad look.
I think the fact that you're bringing him in, if
you brought him in after he finished his suspension, I
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think you open yourself up to criticisms that and scrutiny.
That's just it's not necessary. It's not needed. Hall of
Fame kicker, pretty dang good, good ball player in his prime,
But is it worth the headache?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I just don't see how it is now.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
John Harbad, the Ravens head coach, in discussing this earlier
this offseason, explain the reasoning behind the release. If you remember,
they drafted a kicker this past year before they announced
the release of Justin Tucker, which I think was the
beginning of the end. But John Harbaugh had this to say,
when it came to the.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Decision, it was a complex decision making process, and you
know you're I'm a part of it. Eric Sashi, Ozzie
Steve is a big part of those kind of decisions.
I mean, you're talking about, you know, arguably the best
kicker in history of the game, you know, And like
we said, it's multi layered, it's complicated, but you've got
to in the end, it all backs up. It all
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comes back to what you have to do to get
ready for your team to play the first game. And
I think if you step back and you take a
look at all the issues and all the ramifications, you
can understand that, you know, we've got to get our
football team ready and we've got to have a kicker
ready to go, and that that was a move that
we decided to make.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
All right, He said absolutely nothing in that well, because
I think I think they've what the Ravens have done,
I think is be kind to Justin Tucker and said
all the right things because they probably recognized Listen, the
guy went through a little bit of a creepy, weirdo period.
But the guy that we know maybe since that time,
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is a different player that along with he struggled a
little bit last year. We got to move on. So
I think they've been kind.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
They didn't they.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Haven't aired him out in public, or they haven't you know,
made an example of him and all that, and so
John Harbaugh seemingly did that as well too. But one
of the things that he did mention there was, you know,
arguably one of the greatest kickers of all time. So
I just wonder when it comes to a discussion about
him as a Hall of Famer, like, say, for example,
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Justin Tucker gets picked up by a team, he is
he is eligible to play again, you know, in November,
But say a team's like, man, we don't want to
deal with that in season. We don't want to deal
with the drama. We don't want to deal with the
blowback or having these conversations, because the only reason you're
signing Justin Tucker during the year would be if you've
got a problem at the kicker position anyways, and to
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welcome in more dysfunction at a position and more conversation
and more drama to a position that you've already got
drama in, which is why you're even in the market
for a kicker at that point that late in the
year maybe isn't the best fit. But next off season
I could see a team kicking the tires on Justin
Tucker and saying, let's give him a shot, he's one
of the best kickers of all time. My question would
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be this, say he goes and he plays for another team,
and clearly it's not going to be Baltimore, and it's
not going to be Cleveland because they've already got too
many and definitely not going to be New England because
Robertkraft doesn't want the reminders. If they were to bring
in Justin Tucker and he finishes at his career at
a high level like he was form majority of his career,
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does this ten game suspension impact him being a Hall
of Famer? Because I think it would, and I don't
know that it would for maybe another position outside of
you know, punter, and but I could see this being
a make or break for a position that doesn't have
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a lot of Hall of Famers.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
And that's a good point. The last point is a
good point. There's not very many specialists Hall of famers.
So it wasn't going to be a first ballot Hall
of Famer either, you know so, and that wasn't going
to be based upon anything other than that's just not
it's just not a high profile position for the Hall
of Fame. And with that being said, when you have
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something like this take place. It one hundred percent damages
your image and whether there was a if there was
a conviction, it's an absolute no. Without this going to
trial and it becoming a legal thing and all that
that comes along with it, he settles this out of
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court and never sees the light of day. He's going
to be a Hall of Famer. It's just a matter
of when, and it'll be far removed from from anyone
possibly even really remembering who Justin Tucker is, let alone
remembering some of his transgressions off of the field.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, I just look at it because this is one
of the things that we mentioned yesterday about Robert Craft
and him being at Fanatics Fest and talking about how
the last two years or the worst of his time
and all that, and one of the the thoughts on
why he's not in the Hall of Fame when a
guy like Jerry Jones is, when he's got double the
amount of Super Bowls as Jerry Jones is, do people
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who are voting for the Hall of Fame look at
what happened with Robert Craft in Jupiter, Florida, at the
Orchards of Asia and do they look at that and
is that why they've decided not to put them in
the Hall of Fame because it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
And that's what we do know, that's what the public
does know. You and I both know. There are a
lot of things that you know. People close to situations
like that, that know one another and have built relationships
through the year years, they may have more knowledge and
more color on everything on a lot of things that
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take place that the general public isn't privy to. There
are a lot of things that I know specifically that
I would never talk about on air. And so if
you're one of those people, it doesn't mean I don't
judge them. And I hate to say that I'm a
judger at times. I do judge at times. It is
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what it is for me. I feel how I feel
about things. But there are people that I know things
about that could ruin their entire image and ruin their
entire reputation if that truth ever came out. And I
don't ever talk about it, and I don't get involved
in it, but I do look at that person or
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those people in particular, and I do not have what
it would would have used to have been a healthy
affinity for him and respect. I don't have any of that,
and you just live in that. And so when you
know things a certain type of way because you're in
it and you're around it, and you meet the same
people and you're around the same people and the information
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circulates from time to time, you know, that's what you
live in. And so to me, you know, asking the question,
does this impact Pat?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Pat?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
My guy? Not Pat because he's the guy, he's the man.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
But Bob is Bob Kraft, Bob Kraft, Robert Kraft, robber Krabt.
If it's impacting him getting in Bobby orchids something, there's
I'm gonna just say this, and I'm gonna say it confidently,
just knowing the things that I have seen with my
own two eyes. There are things that people are aware
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of about Robert Kraft that make it make it difficult
to vote on man. There's got to be, because there's
no other reason why he would not be at his age.
There's noon as long as he's been around, there's no
reason for him to not be inducted into the Hall
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of Fame by now.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
And apparently that's a real that really burns his ass,
that he's not a Hall of Famer, that he's not
like he's really pushed for it. The fact that Jerry
Jones got it before him bothers him, according to it
to people close to Robert Kraft, because those two don't
necessarily see eye to eye all the time. But like
there's yeah, there's gotta be more too, but it is.
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It's just interesting how those moments people keep score and
yet you look at other players in the in the
Pro Football Hall of Fame, and there's stuff that that
was out on all of them. Like, look, Ben Roethlisberger
is going to be a Hall of Famer, no doubt
about it, no question whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Damn he had some stuff going on earlier in his career.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
You get there's a list, like there's a few dudes
in that Hall of Fame. There's a list. It's just like,
let's be clear, there's there's a list.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
You pick and choose which are well, we could look
the other way, or he was so great that that
we're fine with that. It's like Robert Kraft, guys won
six Super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I haven't listened to an R. Kelly song since everything
came out? What came out?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Everything? Oh pause?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I mean anyway, but some people listen to R. Kelly
and they'll tell you. I don't get involved with R
Kelly the person that's locked up. I just enjoy R
Kelly's music for what it's worth, that face value. I
can't do that. I don't know why. Maybe it's because
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I have daughters. I don't know, but I can't do it.
I've never listened to R Kelly after everything came out.
So some people can separate the two. Some people can't.
And when you can't, you base your judgments and you're
you're showing a favor or lack thereof based off of
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how you're you feel.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
And I also think, like I can separate the two,
I don't. I don't look at any professional athlete like
a role model or anything like that. I don't base
my life around you know, that's the example I want
to live. I've said I said this earlier this week.
I think everybody's got a little bit of scumbag in them.
It just depends on how often it comes out. And
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some people let it out and let that out of
the cage a little bit more than others. Some people
keep it pretty closed up. I just think while I
can compartmentalize the player from the stuff off the field,
I totally understand how some people can't. And once you
put your fate in somebody else's hands, like for example,
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Justin Tucker or potentially robber Craft, that that's why he's
not in the Hall of Fame. Once you do that, yeah,
you can't pitch about it.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
When you was laying down on that table and he
was telling him to do more, you should have been
thinking about that hall of fame. You just can't.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
You can't think of it like you can't complain about
it like that.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I just I tend to believe that when you say
hall of fame and I'm in a hall of fame,
I just for me, I feel as though I have
to be responsible over first and foremost my own brand,
me personally. What Errington means a name I was given
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before I even knew who I was. I'm defending, I'm building,
I'm growing, and I am protecting the reputation of my
family name. And that's I'm very prideful about that. So
when I make decisions, I make decisions cautiously, and I
make decisions knowing that you know, any one moment, I
(14:19):
just having this conversation with man Man yesterday, any one
moment can take away a lifetime of hard work to
build the right reputation, and it's unfortunate that some people
just go overboard, like you can have fun. Nobody's saying
you got to be a hermit, you can't do anything.
(14:40):
You can have fun. You can have your fun, but
you got to understand what you know when no means no,
You got to understand, you know, social cues, different things
that maybe some of these guys just don't seem to
feel like they need to have that as an asset
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or skill or something that's a part of you know,
what they bring to the table, and you make these decisions,
and I honestly believe some of the people that make
these decisions are fully unaware of how egregiously out of
pocket they are because they're that out of touch with reality.
I honestly believe that, Like when Deshaun Watson says he's
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he's innocent, I believe he honestly believes that based off
of his vision of the world. But with that being said,
when things like what came out on him come out
with things that came out on Robbercraft that came out,
when it comes out and it's discussed and it's public domain,
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and it's knowledge. The one thing that the public is
going to do is give an opinion, and one of
those opinion is going to become popular public opinion. And
if you're not looked upon positively as a hall of
fame or how can you be selected and put into
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such hollow ground knowing that something not good, not glowing,
not flattering about you and in fact landed you in
legal trouble. How are you supposed to be putting them
in the Hall of fame when most cases you say,
(16:26):
that's infamy, not famous, that's infamous. So to me, I
think it does become a hard sale to put a
person into the Hall of Fame that doesn't have a
good reputation both on and off the field, because you
are an ambassador. You are the ultimate ambassador to the game.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And there's also the you know, look, and this could
go down a whole rabbit hole of Major League Baseball
and how you know they're parameters for getting into the
Hall of Fame, which is just a joke, it's just
but yeah, those people have the pa to determine how
you're viewed from a legacy standpoint, but you have the
power to determine what they choose to look at from
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your conduct and for some people, some people, you know,
a little bit reckless out there. So but we will
a little bit, we'll see, we'll see what happens when
it comes to the case of.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Some of the most touched people are you know, are
Hall of famers, which is the appropriate word for this topic. Well,
there you go, Two Pros and a Cup of Joe.
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Speaker 1 (18:03):
Hi.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
This is Jay. I'm the producer of the Paula and
Tony Fusco Show. Usually in these promos they asked you
to listen to the show. I'm here to ask you
please don't listen to the show. The hosts are two
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Don't listen to the show so it can get camps.
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Speaker 5 (18:30):
He's still moving.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
How did it up like this?
Speaker 7 (18:37):
It was only a kiss and she's taking a cap
and I'm taking a drag. No, while you got your
nose covered dress?
Speaker 6 (18:55):
No?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And in me go are you cold?
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Are you blowing out?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Loredo? What happened?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
You get blown?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
If I smell Lee one morning? No, come on, he's
looking already pooped. He doesn't smell. And that's just not
how that works. Control.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
That's ridiculous.
Speaker 8 (19:17):
Lee's booty has some crazy thing things coming from it.
All bites and the baththrown why why, But it's Loreina's
nose that pace.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
It just.
Speaker 9 (19:34):
You got people in studio, any man blowing them out.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
She wasn't here.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Look at the waist. She's covering herself up, bro, like
this wasn't here.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
That's what looks sat down and you lifted your button. Look,
she looks like she's crossing the desert its side.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
She's gonna end up on the Wire.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
It is two pros lead the Lab Spros and a
couple Joe Here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jonas
Knockx with you. We are going to have speaking of
league coming up in a little over fifteen minutes from now.
Lee's Leftover, Lee's Leftover will be yours here again a
little over fifteen minutes from now. There was a discussion
that was had this week on the latest edition of
(20:20):
Nightcap Oh Yeah, where James Harrison, former Pittsburgh Steeler great,
was talking with your guy t J. Huschman Zada Yeah,
and he was having a discussion about Mike Tomlin. What
makes Mike Tomlin great and also what may be one
of the flaws is with old coach Tomlin there in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 10 (20:41):
Mike thing I guess that I like about him this
he is a players coach, and the thing that I
disliked about him is he is a players coach to
a point of sometimes it can dis fro up you
know what I'm saying, because goes maybe a little too
(21:01):
far with allowing certain things, you know what I'm saying
with certain players.
Speaker 11 (21:06):
And then it becomes an issue, you know, with that player.
So especially towards the end of my career. You know,
the biggest thing was, you know, ask a tough question,
you get a tough answer. Well, I was asking tough
questions and I wasn't getting the answer, you know, I
was you know, I was getting told things that weren't
the answer that was the true answer.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
And so that was love when cash you know it,
when they want to just say just I wish he
would have said just what he wanted to say, which
was like that you know that you know you I
don't know what it is, but when you're when you
use that many crutches and what it is that you're saying.
(21:49):
He doesn't want to say something that he can't can't
take back. And and I do believe he's welcomed into
you know, the Stiller's facility, Stiller's training camps, stuff like that.
You'll see him around. I know, James Harrison, and James
is a really good dude. One thing about James he
(22:10):
shoots from the hip too. Like that's why he's you know,
I fool with him so much is I'm one of
those guys I'm gonna shoot from the hip. I like
being around dudes that shoot from the hip. I don't
like passive aggressive dudes. I don't like dudes that min's
words or don't want to just say what they feel.
I don't like dudes that talk behind people's backs and
(22:30):
won't say it to their face or a woman to
that point, like, whatever it is I got to say,
I could say it to you in your face, same
thing I say if you're not there. So in this situation,
in this SoundBite, he isn't saying exactly what he's feeling.
He's playing it's safe, and it leaves me wanting to
(22:53):
understand more because I have heard things. I know a
few people that have played for coach Tomlin and had
played in Pittsburgh. I know people who have understood the
culture of what Pittsburgh, how it works, and why it's
thrived for so long, and why coaches have been able
to be in the seat for so long throughout the years.
(23:16):
I understand it because I grew up learning it from
the older guys, from Jerome Bettis, from from Greg Lloyd.
Once I got an opportunity to be around these guys
DERMANI Dawson, Mike Mike White, I got an operating excuse me,
the White White shouts out to Mike White, that's my guy.
I got an opportunity to hear it firsthand what the
(23:39):
culture of football was and ultimately what the culture of
the Pittsburgh Steelers was growing up. And then as a
guy that played in the league and you had peers
like I got really close with Joey Porter, a senior,
I got close with Jason Gilden, and like I said,
you know, you got really cool with James Harrison and
(24:00):
obviously one of my closest friends that I consider one
of my best friends. As Plexico Bursts, I know so
many people that are connected to the organization, and I've
heard so many different things. I'm not going to ever
be the one that comes out and says some of
the things that I heard, because it's not my place
to do it. I just wish that whoever, you know,
in that moment, I wish James would have just said
(24:21):
what he felt, because I'm hearing some of the things
that are being discussed or are talked about when the
Steelers are brought up, and he was alluding to it,
but he didn't really step into it.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
I think what he's getting at is Mike Tomlins, Like
Mike Tomlin can keep a secret, and we've seen the
example be Antonio Brown, George Pickens to where after they leave,
you go, oh wow, all that was going on, but
you didn't really hear much of that. And I've always
maintained maybe that's, you know, one of the appeals that
(24:58):
Rogers has because it doesn't feel there's a lot of
loose lips in Pittsburgh. It doesn't feel like you've got
a lot of stuff that will leak out.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
But when it.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Does, they usually follow suit by moving away. Like we
heard rumblings about Antonio Brown, they moved off of him.
We heard rumblings about George Pickens, they moved off of him. Hell,
we heard rumblings about Kenny Pickett that he could have
dressed up for a game in Seattle opted not to.
They said, oh, no, listen, that's not true, that's not accurate.
(25:28):
Mark Madden reported on that. Everybody said, oh, you don't
know what you're talking about. He said, no, my sources
are pretty credible on this, and what do they do.
I think that very offseason moved off of Kenny Pickett.
I just I think that Tomlin keeps everything a secret,
doesn't want stuff to come out, doesn't want it to
leak to the media, and ultimately the way they act
(25:49):
afterwards tells you everything you need to know about how
that player really was in that locker room. But I
think to James Harrison's point, he's probably thinking, man, that
chef's that stuff should be squashed way sooner than it is.
And maybe Tomlin, because he's about winning games and willing
to deal with personalities and whatnot, maybe he just lets
(26:10):
that stuff go on a little bit too far for
some of the other players in the locker room were like, dude,
are you going to step up and do anything about
this other than after it reaches a certain point and
his threshold might be higher than other people's, then you
decide to move off of all it.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Certainly was put on the front street with the whole
thing playing out between.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Ben Roethlisberger and Antonio Brown.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
It was put on front and it was a topic
of conversation. How do you handle it, Who's right, who's wrong?
Who do you get rid of? Who do you keep?
So this has happened before, I guess I'll touch on it. No,
I'm not going to do it again. It's just not
I know I've heard Ben Roethlisberger bring up the fact
(26:56):
how he feels about how coach Tomlin has handle things
as the leader of the team and how that plays
into the culture of the Pittsburgh Steelers. I've heard that,
I'll say loosely or gently. I've heard that the culture
(27:16):
has slowly deteriorated the Steeler The air quotes the Steeler culture,
and I won't go any deeper than that, the Steeler
culture has been slowly eroding under his tenure. That's where
I'll leave it.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
That he's willing to deal with more than maybe he
would have in previous years because they need all the
help they can get.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, but here's my thing, right, Coaches always have to
deal with more. They always have to deal with things
and people. The general republic will never know all that
they have to deal with in order to hold a
team together. I don't find there to be anything brilliant
or or really just out of the at the normal
(28:04):
for that, like that's something that coaches have to do.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I think.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I think for me and how I've been looking at
just lately, how things have gone been going with the
Steelers is more of the culture of the locker room
and and how that plays out the the personalities that
are in the locker room, how do they govern and
(28:31):
handle affairs in the locker room? Who's empowered to handle
those things?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
You got?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I'm sure James Deebo was UH an enforcer to the
locker room. And I think the reason why that team
was so good back in the earlier days when Tomlin
took over, was because of the personalities that you had
in that locker room. And you would say the same
would exist for Bill Cower, and the same existed for
(28:59):
Chuck Nole. And you know, when you have those type
of personalities like a male Blunt and the white White
and Me and Joe Green and Jack both the Jacks,
Lambert and Ham, you have a mentality and a standard
and an expectation that became the identity of that team,
(29:23):
and that carried on through the generations of players and coaches.
You see certain players play for the Pittsburgh Steelers, you
know what type of player you're getting. That's been the
outside linebackers position. It's been the defensive tackles position. It's
been the inside linebackers position. Oh, it's been the safety's position. Hey,
by the way, it's been the cornerbacks position. Oh, you
(29:45):
think I'm joking from Brinson Buckner to Casey Hampton, same
type of dudes, different eras of time. Ray Seals, you
know Aaron Aaron.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Not Aaron? Was my man? Justin?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Is it Justin?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And a big big Keyesel Keseel Brett Keezel. You got
all these bad mother efforts on the defensive side of
the ball from from me and Joe Green the original
steel curtain to where they are.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
You know where they had gotten to.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Right then you're talking about guys like Kevin Green and
Jason Gilden and and and Earl Holmes and ken Ken
drel Bell. People don't even remember Ken drel Bell, but
that mentality of what the heartbeat of a team would be,
Rod Woodson and Cornell Lake and you know Dwayne Woodruff
(30:40):
and all those guys. Then you look on the other
side of the ball and they have always produced a
receiver from Lewis Lips Louis Lips to to you know,
from you know Lynn Swan Swaneon and John Stalwart, Nancy Yancey,
Thigpenn and Charles Johnson and you know Andre Hastings.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
And then you move.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Into the more recent you know with Plexico Burrs and
Heinz Ward, you have always had a certain mentality and
a certain demeanor connected even at the running backs position,
when it was Tim Worley and it was you know,
it was Warren Williams, and it was Barry Foster, and
(31:23):
you know, then it comes in you have John l
and then you have you know, Jerome Bettis, and you
always had this distinct personality connected to each position of
that team, and it plays out in the locker room.
They said Rod Woodson and Greg Lloyd were the enforcers
(31:45):
of the locker room. I think the biggest issue here,
and I think what James Harrison is touching on and
alluding to, is that because of the way things are handled,
those tough conversations that he's talking about, Chuck no had
that with his guys, Bill Cower had that with his guys,
and there was an authoritative figure and there was a
(32:08):
subordinate in all of these situations. But those subordinates ultimately
respected the fact that they had those conversations and they
were going back in the locker room and they were
having their way in terms of the tough conversations they're
having within the locker room culture. I think there's a
disconnect between this head coach at this point, even though
(32:28):
they love him and even though he is a player's coach.
I think there's a disconnect because those topics aren't met
head on, and it doesn't establish the authoritative figure, and
it doesn't establish the subordinates, but the subordinates that go
in as the authoritative figures in the locker room. And
it's a deteriorating of a culture where you had players
(32:51):
that were so strong and what it was that they
were doing and it were such a representative of the
coach that they were able to hold that locker room
and check and hold them accountable and create the standard
that has gone from generation a generation of each Pittsburgh
Steeler team. And you could sit here and say, I
don't know jacks about it. I'm only a fan. I'm
(33:12):
only a fan. I do not know it from the inside,
but I do. Again, I will say this, I learned
it enough. It influenced me as a player growing up.
I learned it enough from the players that meantword me
that were Pittsburgh Steelers, and I learned it enough from
my friends once I became an adult what it looked like.
Because the Steelers have always been a team of interest
(33:34):
to me, and.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
I've always been a fan of Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I know it seems like maybe as of late I
come across as like I'm a detractor of Mike Tomlin
as the coach. I think he is a fine person.
I think he is a fine coach. I think he
is a brilliant mind. I think he has done an
amazing job as the leader and the coach of this team.
But I do wonder if some of the things that
I hear, like the quote you heard or the sound
(33:59):
you heard from Jay James Harrison, has he been too
much of a player's coach where you have compromised what
that standard and that expectation of being a Pittsburgh Steeler represents.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
You can't be the cool dad. You gotta be the
discipline guy. You gotta be the disciplinarian. Sometimes being the
cool dad and the popular dad ain't the ain't the
way to go, And uh, yeah it's not. But I mean,
let's look on the bright side. At least they're not
the Pirates, so you know there.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Is that or Pittsburgh Spirits. Yeah, I mean they're not
even around anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
And let's be honest here, if we're gonna. You know,
the Penguins aren't all that.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
The way it is and they got issues too.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
But it is two Pros and a cup of Joe
Here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox, and
are you coming up? On this Football Friday, we'll close
up shop with another edition of Lee's Leftovers here on FSR.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Not at all, it is two Pros and a cup
of shoe, Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with
you here on this.
Speaker 9 (35:10):
Football Friday edition of Black and Drac. We are winding
down here on the week.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
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(35:39):
best of version posted right after we get off the air.
Coming up on Monday, We'll be back here six am
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But you got to tune in on Monday to find
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though we close up shop with another edition of this.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Least might smell a little fun incredible, but they're still good.
Time to find out what's lack.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Lacause left really smell funky today?
Speaker 10 (36:12):
Though?
Speaker 3 (36:12):
All right, we got literally yeah, did.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
You do Indian food and hazel not coffee? Again?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
No, I did have I did have hazel.
Speaker 9 (36:20):
I did have hazel nut coffee early in the morning.
But I in fact did have Lorena's leftover pizza, which
I think led to.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So Lorena's you're responsible for what you smell.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yeah, he doesn't go through that fast, are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Gas? Happens that fast?
Speaker 1 (36:36):
It does et it an hour before.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I'm just I'm just trying to understand why Lee is
so comfortable with being a funky mother at.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Lee it takes so long for stuff to digest. That's
not true at all for gas. No, I mean, yeah,
if I was gonna what did you eat yesterday? Uh,
I'm having trouble launch Lo Lo uh a libo or
some crap like that.
Speaker 9 (37:01):
Yeah, I split some some chicken tikitos early early in
the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
He makes everything like he puts everything on that I
won't eat it list.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
What's the what I won't eat it list?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Because you know what it does to you, because I
know what it does to him, and it makes it
seem gross. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just. I'm just
trying to understand. Why are you so comfortable being funky
bro Like? We got my work wife here, I get
let it rip, but she's not okay with you being
(37:34):
as funky as you are.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
How does that work?
Speaker 2 (37:37):
How do you settle into being a funky dude once?
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Once you break the seal? I don't do it to
you because I don't do it to you. But uh, Lorena,
yeah sorry, Lorena can get it. Yeah, I don't want
you act like we act like we were got that
Lee acts like we work in this giant mansion where
I don't worry. It's on the other side of the house,
not our problem. No, this is like a small studio space.
There's no one else this.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Wild don't come in anymore.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Just for everybody out there. I was wondering why I
don't come in.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
It's Lee's ass it lingers in his pants.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
That is crazy. It's not.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
That's crazy that the stink particles just be living in.
Speaker 9 (38:18):
I know it's category one versus category five. This was weak,
This wasn't there was no stink whatever. What does laundry
look like for you? Like a cup of you.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Wh you smell your pants and your drawls before you
throw them in.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
A lot of people do that.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
You know they have sniffed their pants or they'll sniff
their underwear.
Speaker 9 (38:36):
Really yes, yeah, I don't need to do that, you clear,
but do you just to be like and then throw it?
And there's been once in a while where I forget
if I've worn said said pants or whatever to give
them the sniff tests. Yeah, I bet you.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
More of your your garments have stains than not a percent.
Speaker 9 (39:00):
Uh yeah, I'm not like the leftover Yeah, like straight
up like yours. Don't stake non removable skit marks, the.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
You just have skin. Bar he's got tattoos.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yeah, yeah, you got them scratched his.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Talking about remember no Joye, you used to get back
in the day, you scratched and it had like smell
like pickle or something like that.
Speaker 9 (39:30):
He got them scratching, scratch it. He's got a payday.
He's got a payday bar in his trousers.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
I'm disgusting. Can we just gon now? What is that
dark chocolate?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Hell?
Speaker 9 (39:47):
Please?
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Stop?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
What the corner last night? I don't remember eating corn?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
I don't remember, So what do we got?
Speaker 6 (40:02):
Lee?
Speaker 9 (40:03):
I was gonna talk about Dylan Brooks's ex threatening to
cut off his fingers, but who cares about that?
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Guys?
Speaker 9 (40:08):
If you want to entertain yourself this weekend, you can
go see Brad Pitts F one making two point three
just dropped in one The Bear season four.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
I want to check it out. Got snowfall in there.
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