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We're gonna be joined by John Morrossi, as we typically
are every week. He is our Major League Baseball insider
and he will help make sense of the world of baseball.
But an hour three, we're gonna do something that that
I'm excited to attempt and see how it goes. UH.
Tulci Gabbert, who is running for president of the United States.

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She's a congresswoman from Hawaii, is going to join us
live to UH to talk about UH. She's a surfer.
I'm gonna put her on the spot and see whether
or not she's ever been pursued by a shark. She's
gonna talk about she's a big mm A fan, uh,
and she's gonna come on and basically introduce herself to
uh the outcake audience. And this is something that that

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I think is cool as will be a long going process.
I'm not looking to have sixty minutes style grilling interviews.
But I do think as this show has grown, that
there are a lot of people out there who could
you would enjoy hearing from as they try to decide
whether or not UH they're the right pick for for

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running the country. I'm not gonna be partisan Democrat, Republican,
wide open opportunities for everybody, but try to just be
right down the middle and fair, which is what I
tried to do on this show. I don't think there
are that many places that are just fair in this country,
UM and uh And so I think people are really
gonna enjoy it. So we'll see how it goes. Uh.
It's an experiment. We do a lot of experiments, whether

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it's interviewing UH tiger killers UH from India, or or
doing entire interviews on the hippopotamus that are spreading all
over Columbia in the wake of uh uh, the uh uh,
the situation with a drug board Pablo Escobar. So this
is gonna be a fun experiment. So I would encourage
you guys to down on the podcast. If you're all

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in your car, you only listen to ten or fifteen minutes,
as I know many of you do on your way
to work, I think that would be a pretty intriguing
reason to download the podcast. Also, speaking of podcast, I
did over two hours yesterday on the new Wins and
Losses podcast with Kirk Herb Street, who is obviously the

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face of college football, and uh, I think it's a
really good long form conversation that I would encourage you
guys to download. If you haven't already h the Wins
and Losses podcast, you can search out my name Clay Travis.
It will pop up, and uh, that's a really good listen.
There's been a lot of really good listens on that
podcast exclusive, so I want to encourage you guys to

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check that out. In the meantime, yesterday we spent a
lot of time talking about Tyreek Hill, and in particular,
I said, man, if I'm Ezekiel Elliott or I am
Kareem Hunt. I am sitting around saying, how in the
world did I, as Kareem Hunt end up missing thirteen
games and how in the world did I, as Ezekiel
Elliott end up missing six games for non criminal behavior,

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in fact, behavior that was reviewed by the district attorneys
to determine whether or not to bring charges, and they said,
no, no no, no, this is not criminal behavior. And then
Tyreek Hill, who is accused of I would argue a
incredibly severe UH album that certainly did not go away

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on the audio files that we showed you and has
a much worse background in terms of a crime that
he's already played guilty too, Yet the NFL says he
gets no punishment at all. And one of my UH
analysis points yesterday was, well, maybe this is a sign
that the NFL is starting to acknowledge that they have
previously gotten it wrong when it came to suspensions under

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the Personal Conduct Policy. And so while there are differences
in the treatment of Ezekiel Elliott and Kareem Hunt and
Tyreek Hill, maybe those differences are predicated on the NFL
stepping back from the Personal Conduct Policy and acknowledging that
doing their own investigations and living their own penalties. Doesn't
make a lot of sense. But then, Danny g and

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I think you have this article open in front of
you right now. The Seahawks boom, we get a six
game suspension for a guy over an incident that was
two years old that the authorities reviewed and said there's
no criminal conduct here, and yet the Seahawks are going
to be out a player now for six games. I mean,
it's just this has turned into a totally absurd situation

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that doesn't seem to have any rhyme or reason attached
to it. Yeah, Seahawks defensive tackle Jern Reid has been
suspended for the first six games of the upcoming season,
and this violation stems from a team domestic violence case.
He was accused of assault. Reid was not charged or
arrested by the police. However, the NFL decided to lay

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the hammer down on him for six games domestic assault, right, yes, um,
And so I just I'm left asking the question again,
how in the world did Tyree kill not get suspended
at all when yet another NFL player who has been
investigated by the police and found not to have committed

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a crime has now been suspended or six games. I
mean I am. I'm in total disbelief over the inconsistent,
inconsistency of the NFL's basically judicial power when it comes
to levying suspensions. And if I am a player right
now who is in the NFL, this is something that

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I think needs to be substantially addressed in the new
collective bargaining Agreement. Already, players and owners and Roger Goodell
and everybody is starting to come together and discuss an
extension of the collective Bargaining Agreement. They're trying to do
that because they want to set the table for as
fertile of a long term UH deal as they can

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in the world of of television and media rights and
everything else. And they don't want to be fighting over
it because they feel like they are in a position
where they're gonna make a lot of money. There are
a lot of people out there who want to compete
to get NFL content, So let's stop fighting with each other,
and let's go ahead and just sit down and have
a great excellent meal of of access based on all

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the different media partners that want to spend money with us.
But I just don't get it. I just I mean,
I am utterly befuddled by this entire by this entire process,
and worst of all, I think it's inherently unfair, right,
I mean, there is a the goal of the justice system,

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whether you agree with it or not, is to take
advantage of the precedents that exists in our society and
try to be as fair as possible to criminal defendants
when it comes to putting them on trial when it
comes to issuing punishments in the event they are found guilty.
And as a lawyer who has worked in the criminal

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justice system, I can tell you that it is imperfect,
because everything that man touches is imperfect. Yet there is
a desire to at least be some form of normalcy
attached to it, uh, and some form of comprehension and consistency.
And here in the NFL this is a joke. I mean,

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we talked about this a lot yesterday and I am
blown away that on basically the Monday after the Friday,
right Friday, they put out the news, Oh, Tyreek Hill
is not gonna get any suspension at all. We get
a two year old suspension for yet another case that
was investigated by authorities and determined not to be a crime.

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Now there's a difference, and it's an important distinction to
make between someone deciding not to prosecute you for an
alleged crime and you being a innocent because the standard
of guilt in this country is beyond a reasonable doubt,
and so you don't just have to be guilty. You

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have to be guilty in a way that can be
proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be guilty. So just
because you don't get charged with a crime doesn't mean
that your behavior was perfect or that you haven't done
anything wrong, but it does mean that there is substantial
doubt as to whether or not you have committed a crime.

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So how in the world can the NFL decide when
you aren't being charged with a crime, Hey, we think
you are still guilty, and we are going to suspend
you and take money out of your mouth, take money
out of your family's mouth, all of these different scenarios.
I just don't understand. I want to bring in the

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crew on this. I mean, Eddie Garcia, you we we
were talking yesterday and we were thinking, okay, you were
with me that you thought Tyreek Hill was going to
be suspended, and we were thinking to ourselves, Okay, maybe
this is just a function of Roger Goodell walking back
his powers under the Personal Conduct policy. Maybe this is
a net positive and Tyreek Hill is just the latest

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example of a changing policy. And then boom, on the
Monday after Tyreek Hill, we get what seems to me
to be an inherently inconsistent and without presidential value suspension
of a Seattle Seahawk player for non criminal conduct. Yeah,
so much for that theory, right, I mean, it's crazy,

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it is. I can't disagree with you at all. And
I look, I don't I know Jarren Reid played at
at Alabama and he was he's a pretty good he's
an emerging player most people probably don't know for Seattle,
but he's a very important player for him coming into
this year. And I don't I didn't know much about
this this case. But when you see that he was
never charged and he was never arrested, and as you said,

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this was in and now this is just I don't know.
I'm I'm more confused yesterday today than I was yesterday.
And I didn't think that was possible. Yeah, And what's
wild about this is we're literally talking about two week days, right,
I mean literally, the NFL on Friday could not maintain
the same position by Monday when it came to how

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it's going to treat players again, I'm not saying tire
Hill did something of a of a criminal nature in
child abuse. That child abuse case, we just don't know.
And as a result, I think if you want to say, Okay,
we're gonna defer to the authorities here and agree with
them that we're not sure if he's culpable from a

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criminal perspective, and therefore we're not going to punish him,
I actually think that's an okay precedent to set. But
literally the next work day they come out and suspend
a guy for a two year old incident that authorities
investigated and determined was not sufficient enough to represent criminal conduct. Dub,

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give me some sense here of what in the world
the NFL is thinking, Well, I'm not gonna be able
to do that, because I can't make any sense of this, because,
like you said, yesterday, I left the show thinking, you know, maybe,
you know, maybe the NFL's you know, taking a step.
We had a pretty good conversation about Tyreek Hill, right exactly.
I mean, it was a fairly detailed examination of that case,
and everybody had their say, and we thought, okay, maybe

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we're learning something new here about the NFL's direction. And
then boom and then you know, three or four hours later,
this comes out from an incident in seventeen where he's
not charged, not, you know, none of that, and he
gets six games. And it makes me think, you know,
this Tyreek Hill thing is it just has to be
some sort of weird anomaly that it does not make
sense at all, especially now that he doesn't have any

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games suspension. Don't you also think um in the NFL
puts out you know, these multi hundred page analyzes sometimes
of the of the cases. And for instance, I went
and read everything about Ezekiel Elliott. I read way too
much about the flake Gate to demonstrate what they did
in terms of an investigation. And then for Tyreek Hill

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they put out like two paragraphs and there's almost nothing there,
and and then they say, hey, just trust us, and
I just I'm not willing to trust the NFL in
this respect. I mean we need to put hey, let's
do this day e g uh, let's put in an
official request for Roger Goodell. I'm not sure that he
that he would be willing to come on our show,
but I do think it's worth us putting out the request.

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We haven't ever requested him before. We got a big audience,
certainly in the world of of the world of sports
radio in mornings, uh in in the nation in general,
let's put in a request for Roger Goodell because this
is something that I do think the average fan. I
try to think about when we get an opportunity to
talk to somebody like a Roger Goodell, what would the
average fan want to know from this person. I do

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think we would maybe learn something by having him on
the show to try to explain exactly what's going on
in that perspective, that makes sense, right to try to
get him on and try to figure out exactly what's
going on in the world. Let's I'm not even let's
go through the NFL. I mean again, I'm a lot
of times these are these uh big time audience UH

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powerful people are afraid of coming on this show because
I think I have reputation of being maybe what do
you think, a tough interview or maybe just somebody who's
not gonna always play nice. Because I want to look,
if somebody's gonna come on, I want to ask them
questions that I care about, um, and so I think
there's a degree of fear among powerful people about coming

(15:16):
on this show. And again, if you start heard the
show starting off, Tulsa Gabbert pretty outstanding. I think she's
gonna be a great guest and now ur three, but
she's the first presidential candidate to be willing to come
on the show. And my thing is, well, if you're
running for president, you're not willing to get asked questions
by me, like why in the world should you expect
me to believe that you're gonna sit down with world
leaders and be able to handle difficult situations with them.

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So props to Tulzi Gabbard, but I think Goodell will
probably dodge us. But I think these are questions that
he needs to be asked, and not just in the
you know, yearly end of end of the season super
Bowl press conference that he does, which is one of
the only times I ever think Roger Goodell is willing
to talk to UH, the media and to the public

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at large. So let's go ahead and put that request
in dating G if we can. And by the way, Dub,
what would you tell people you recorded yesterday with me?
This Kirk herb Street podcast, which is up as a
part of our Wins and Losses um UH interviews. How
would you describe it for people out there who may
not have had a chance to check out Wins and
Losses so far, and how would you describe the herb

(16:21):
Street interview. It was an awesome interview and for those
that have been able to check out the podcast. In
my opinion, I think this may be right up there
at the top in terms of, you know, quality of
the conversation. We were in there for just over two hours,
and I thought we were in there for like forty
five minutes. It was an awesome interview to listen to
great questions asked, great answers in a in a really

(16:41):
cool story overall, especially if you are ready for college
football or you're ready for the start of the season
and you're thinking, to my god, what obviously you're listening
to us and we're a little over what's today July?
There is today almost exactly a month away from the
start of the NFL season, sorry, the college football season.

(17:01):
On August. You've got Florida play against Miami. So if
you are one of those people like me who's like,
you know, kind of bated breath waiting for the season
to actually get here. That is gonna be I think
a really entertaining interview for you to check out. So
when we come back, I want to dive a little bit.
We haven't talked much about this Dan Lebotard ESPN controversy.
If you guys heard about this, Uh. Lebotard went on

(17:23):
and had all these different political opinions that he wanted
to share, and uh he basically was kind of default
suspended yesterday. Although he says he chose not to show up.
I'm not sure if he's gonna show up for his
show uh today, But I'm intrigued by this in general.
I want to hit it on a hit on it
a couple of ways, different ways with you guys. Our
or two. We're gonna be joined by John Morosey, Our three,
Tulsei Gabbard, Hawaii congresswoman who is running for President of

(17:47):
the United States as a member of the Democratic Party.
All of that still to come. I appreciate you spending
your Tuesday morning with us. My name is Clay Travis.
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on Tuesday. But Tulci Gaberd is gonna be on if

(18:33):
you are just waking up Democratic presidential candidate UH for
for the final hour of the show at a twenty
Eastern time. Usually Petro's is on at five twenty on
his West coast, so he's gonna be on with this
Wednesday and uh And I guess we have a controversy
because and I'll have to ask Jason Martin about this.

(18:53):
Petro's called the show on Tuesday because I forgot to
tell him that I was gonna be on vacation and
he had an already in his phone to call in,
and they didn't put him on the air like this,
I I gotta I gotta figure out from Jason Martin
and Jeff Shorts what happened here? We got a regular
weekly guest who calls the hotline to come on, and

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then we got no like who was on the show
last week? And it's familiar at all with this controversy.
I think you were on DUB but you were in Nashville,
so I doubt you really even knew Eddie Garcia. You
were in l A. And Roberto I think you were there.
Who want Roberto wasn't here? It was just me, So yeah,

(19:35):
so you were there? Were you aware that Petro's called in? No,
I'm not in the same studio as as our producer
and called screeners. Shouldn't they have put Petros on? I
would have definitely wanted to hurt hear what Petros had
to say about anything. Absolutely, Uh, what about you, DUB, Like,
did you know about this controversy? This is the first
time hearing of it, don't you think that? Like, And

(19:56):
I'm gonna have to put Jason Martin. Jason Martin is
gonna be on the show tomorrow. I might have to
put him on the hot seat and be like, hey,
you know, he's a weekly guest. He's already woken up
at five in the morning on the West Coast to
call our show, and you just say, hey, no, plays
not here this week. I'm not gonna put you on.
I wonder if the fill in producer is the one
that just told Petros now and he didn't communicate with

(20:17):
Jason that Petros called in. That seems like a really
aggressive move by the fill in producer, right. It seems
to me that if you are filling in on a
show and somebody calls the hotline and says, hey, I'm
usually on every week, and you immediately say like this,
I don't know. I mean, I think this was a

(20:39):
Jason Martin led decision. And I'm gonna get Petros on tomorrow,
and I'm gonna have Jason Martin on two, and we're
gonna have to get to the get to the essence
of this dispute. Maybe there's bad blood between Jason Martin
and Petros that just hasn't revealed itself, a new opaque gait, Yeah,
because Jason Martin would have been aware, Oh this guy

(21:00):
Petro's Yeah, he's been coming on the show, waking up
early with us for years now to come on the
show an our three, and Jason Martin just says no,
I mean, I need to know exactly what happened there.
This is this is kind of a dilemma, right, I
mean for you, Danny g if the phone rings and
somebody says hey, I'm usually on the show, you would

(21:21):
never just hang up, like you would come to me
and be like, hey, Petro's just called in. What do
you want to do? Right? Yeah, of course I don't know.
I think Jason Martin, there might be some some issues here. Uh,
speaking of issues, did you guys see this Dan Lebotard story?
Am I the only person who is aware of this?
Has have other shows talked about this. I don't know

(21:43):
if other radio shows have addressed it, but it's been
all over TV and the internet. Yeah, so this is
this is an intriguing story to me, and I'm not
sure that there's an easy answer. So I want to
go around the horn to begin with it. So, and
I'm just asking you guys objectively. I so the way
that I think about um, you know, like, for instance,
we've got Tulca Gabbern, I think it's probably a good

(22:04):
time to address this. The way that I think about
the intersection of sports and politics is I think a
lot of you out there who are starting off your morning,
uh want to come on and be entertained and think
about the world of sports and hang out with us.
I typically do not come on and just say, hey, today,
I'm gonna tell you what I think about abortion, and

(22:26):
I think we can go ahead and solve this issue
regardless of what your opinion is. Here's mine. Let me
lay out the argument for why I think this matters.
Or I'm not gonna come on and be like, hey,
gun control, really divisive issue. I think I can solve
it in the next fifteen minutes on this show and
talk particularly. It's not even like I'm talking to one
particular part of the country where there might be a

(22:48):
certain political leaning one way or the other on a
variety of issues. I'm on an all fifty states every morning,
plus you know the podcast, a lot of people listening
around the world, especially soldiers and whatnot ut um, and
so I don't typically come on and address aggressively whatever
my political opinion is unless it's connected to the world

(23:10):
of sports, and I'll give you an example. Megan Rapino
saying I'm not going to the f ing White House
is to me a story that it would be ridiculous
if we just totally ignored it, or Colin Kaepernick back
in the day or whatever it is. We typically don't
come on and regularly just talk politics. Is that a

(23:30):
fair The description of the show's general bent, Like, do
you remember Danny g a time where I've come on
and just said, like, Hey, this doesn't have anything at
all to do with the world of sports, but I
want to talk about politics today. No, you don't randomly
talk politics. I mean, is that fair? I mean you can.
You don't have to agree that that. That's what I
try to do. Uh, Eddie Garcia, would you agree that?

(23:51):
Like usually when we talk politics on this show, it's
because there is an intersection with the world of sports. Yeah, right,
Colin Kaepernick, a good Rapino, White House visits, those are
all in the realm of sports slash politics. It's not
just hey, I'm gonna tell you my opinion on some
legislation or something, right, I mean like right? I mean

(24:11):
I try to to not to steal a phrase from
LaVar Ball, but I try to stay in my lane. Now,
there are other parts of what I do. You know,
I write regularly on OutKick so you know, for instance,
some people didn't agree with it, but we did a
hour every day reacting to Game of Thrones where we
treated it like a sporting event, right, I mean, that's

(24:32):
clearly not a sports directly related But we're in the
business of talking about things that people care about. But
I try, by and large to do that on OutKick
the Show, which is my afternoon Periscope and Facebook show,
or my website OutKick dot com OutKick the Coverage dot Com,
where I can talk about a variety of different subjects,

(24:53):
Um and Dub. Would you're relatively new to the show,
but would you agree that in general that is, uh,
that seems to be the overall a goal of the show. Yeah.
I mean, since I've been with the show that that's
an accurate statement. Roberto, would you agree? Okay, So that
is the background of where we go now. I want
to give credit to Don Martin and Scott Shapiro, to

(25:14):
Eric Shanks, to Mark Silverman, everybody who's in a position,
char Charlie Dixon, everybody's in a high position at Fox Sports.
They have never said, hey, don't talk about um, you know,
like this story related to politics. Just ignore it please.
Like they don't do that, right, Like they don't come
and try to dictate what my opinions are on any subject.

(25:37):
I just look at, you know, what the job of
the show is, and then make a decision about whether
or not to talk on subjects. So that is all
background for Dan Lebotard is in a battle right now
with the president of ESPN over his decision to come
on and just comment on the North Carolina political rally

(25:59):
that Donald Trump had out of nowhere, right, I mean,
there's no political connection to it at all. And ESPNS
policy after having a lot of trouble with the Jamal
hill uh and and Kurt Shillings of the world where
people have come out and made political comments. They fired
Kurt Shilling. They basically ushered Jamal hill out is they

(26:21):
have a direct policy. We don't have this at Fox
Sports Radio. We haven't needed it so far as I know.
We certainly don't have it at Fox Sports. They have
a direct policy of you're not supposed to talk politics
unless it intersects with the world of sports. So, Megan Rapino,
I'm not going to the eff ing White House or
Colin Kaepernick. That is politics intersecting with the world of sports.

(26:43):
Perfectly fine for you to have an opinion on that,
But if there's a debate over whether or not we
should uh pass a new tax bill, there's not a
reason for you to come on and talk about it.
So Dan Lebotard came on and talked about his direct
opinions of Donald Trump and ripped Donald Trump. And on

(27:04):
top of that, he also ripped and described ESPN's policy
on that as being cowardly. And he even went a
few steps further and said, and he tried to draw
it into the world of sports, but he said, UH,
something that I thought was downright almost delusional, which is
he was saying that nothing has changed in the world

(27:25):
for for Jim Brown. And he got really kind of
I think, well lost on the argument that he was
that he was trying to make. And so I think
this is an intriguing question. He yesterday did not show
up for his radio show, UH and UH and the
ESPN put out this UH, this statement basically through John

(27:48):
Orrand at the UH at the Sports Business Journal, and
I thought it was kind of wacky. UM, and I'm
gonna read that to you right now. Uh Levit Tard
in ESPN president Jimmy Petaro were in contact much of
the weekend. Sources said Petaro would not waver from his
policy of no pure play politics. Lebotard told Petaro he

(28:11):
was not in the right frame of mind to do
his radio show on Monday. Now, I have done four
years now of early morning radio, and I'm trying to
laugh and think, what would you think, Danny G If
I just told you that, like late at night, you
woke up the next morning or whatever, and you see

(28:33):
a text from me and it says that I'm not
in the right frame of mind to do the radio show,
I would think you were coming up with an excuse
to go to your beach off. But is that a
ridiculous like what percentage what percentage of our audience could
not show up for work on a Monday morning and
their excuse being they tell their boss I'm not in

(28:55):
the right frame of mind to do the show. I mean,
what do you think my reaction would be, dub if
you just texted me I'm not in the right frame
of mind to do the show. First of all, I
would think, honestly, if one of you guys texted me
and said, Hey, I'm just not in the right frame
of mind to do the show. I would think, like

(29:16):
your mom or dad was in the hospital. Maybe you've
got a kid who's insanely sick. Right, I would think
that was code for something awful has happened in my life,
and I don't really want to get into my personal
life with you, right. I mean, you've been doing this
show for a long time, uh, doing the updates, Like

(29:36):
I said, since since D Day Forest Eddie Garcia. Can
you imagine a host ever opting out at Fox Sports
Radio because he's not in the right frame of mind,
because he has violated the rules of his job, and
then he doesn't show up again. I have been around
here a long time, not not quite that long, but
a pretty long time, and I've I've seen some pretty
crazy stuff here. I'll be honest with you. I've seen

(29:58):
producers and hosts getting fist fights. I've seen all kinds
of crazy. Then who in fights. I'm not good. I'm
gonna are they still there? They're not still here? However,
the guy, one of the guys has gone on to
a very nice local career in television, so it was
a great punch on his part. But uh, what was
the fight over? I can't really say without giving it away,

(30:21):
but it was it was about um one of the
co host family members who happened to be kind of
in the news, and he said, you said that the
producer deserved it, right, that's yeah, yeah, he deserved it.
But so but did they actually fight in the studio
or did they go outside? It was in It was
in the studio. Did it continue, like, did they come
back that next break and go back on air? Uh?

(30:43):
They did continue with the show. Yeah, that's unbelievable. So
somebody got punched and then they came back and continued
the show. They did. Nobody knew the listeners, No, no, no,
they didn't. And then the other co host came into
the the update room here and he said, uh, you know,
let's keep this between us, and I was like, no problem,
no problem. Of course. I didn't say anything to anyone,

(31:05):
and it got out everywhere. Somebody spoke to somebody and
everyone knew about it. How many years ago was this,
Oh boy, this is probably about eight years ago something
like that. That's unbelievable. Well, first of all, the and
that's not the wildest thing I've ever seen here at
Fox Sports Radio. Credit to, by the way, the professionalism
to get into a fist fight and then continue the

(31:26):
show and nobody's even aware that it happens. I mean,
I knew because I saw it, but if I didn't respect,
I could tell it was awkward, though afterwards it was yeah.
So if you're not if I if I suddenly, if
you got if you sat down and do your show.
And Danny g came in and said, hey, Clay just

(31:47):
texted us he's not in the right frame of mind
to do the show. What would you think, just as
you said, something clearly must agree to right when my
kids are sick, a parent maybe is you know, had
a stroke or something like that, and something very serious
has happened, Doesn't it seem like a total pussy willow
move by Lebotard to to say that, like, like you,

(32:10):
you want to let let me just take us to bad.
If you decide that your opinion on a political issue
is so important that you have to share it on
your sports radio show, even though your company has a
direct prohibition on you doing that because they believe it's
bad for business, then you decide to do it and

(32:32):
then you don't show up for work the next day
after you have done it, after you've had a weekend
to think about it. I mean, this is this is
a total pussy willow move, isn't it? Like, I mean,
is there any way Yeah, Like I I I agree completely,
Like I, I just I can't imagine, Like I work

(32:53):
so hard not to miss day, Like there are days,
I mean, like everybody out there who's going into work,
there are days where I get up and I just
feel like crap, right, I mean, it's four thirty in
the morning, like a lot of you who get into
your car and you you drive in. And I take
pride in the fact that in four years I haven't
had a sick day. That doesn't mean that I might

(33:14):
not have a sick day. But Danny J you so
far you've never gotten a text from me saying at
the last minute, hey, I can't do the show. And
if you did, as a result of the four years
of data now that we've developed, it wouldn't be because
I'm just tapping out and like I'm upset about something
that happened. It would be because I am utterly so

(33:36):
sick that I'm like I can't drag myself out of bed.
And I'm not saying it's not gonna happen because I
got kids in the house. There's always sicknesses rolling around
and everything else. But I respect my audience enough, and
I respect the grind of what you guys are doing
in the morning. That I'm going to show up for work.
It's the least I can do. And by the way,
my job is not physically demanding, right Like, if I'm

(33:59):
not in the right frame of mind to do the show,
that's my fault, that's not somebody else's fault. So if
I if I violate the rules of my employer and
then I basically throw a hissy fit and don't show
up at work on the Monday after that week, to me,
that's an insult to my audience. But it's also a
sign that I'm just not enough of an adult to

(34:21):
have this job, right Like, I like Leabatard. He's a
smart guy who has done and I tend to be
if I'm gonna be biased in this business, I'm biased
in favor of guys who are writers that then have
ended up doing radio and have ended up doing TV.
Like I'm a big fan of Tony Kornheiser. I've talked
about that before, because each of those disciplines is so different.

(34:43):
Being good at writing, being good at radio, and being
good at TV. They're all different and challenging, and they're
relatively few can do all three well. Right, If you
think about sports media, there's relatively few you can rip
Steven A. Smith. But Stephen A. Smith was a good writer,
He's a good radio, good on TV, Jason W. Walk,
good rider, good on TV, good on radio. Those are

(35:04):
relatively rare, right, And so I I am predisposed to
like the LeBatard, But I just think he's being a
total pussy willow here. I mean, I think that ESPN
management is entirely in the right. I want to talk
about this a little bit more. Eight seven seven six
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a lot of a lot of praise from the usual suspects,
because a lot of times, when people have the same

(36:05):
opinions as you, you call them brave, like that's really
popular on social media now. It's so brave for you
to have that opinion. Really, it's a really brave when
you know half the country is gonna agree with you.
In half the country is gonna not agree with you
in this day and age, no matter what you say.
But a lot of people said, oh, so great that
Dan Lebotard used his platform to share his direct political opinions.

(36:27):
And I was thinking to myself, this is a fundamental
misunderstanding of the concept of the word platform. First of all,
I have a radio show on Fox Sports Radio. But
to me, you don't have a platform unless you own
your platform. And what I mean by that is if
I disappeared tomorrow, this platform would still exist. Because it's

(36:48):
Fox Sports Radio and they would find somebody else to
host the morning radio show. And so I am working
here as an employee, but it's not my platform. Oh
it's so great they used your platform. If you don't
own the business underlying where you are deciding to have

(37:08):
your platform, then it's not your platform. You are just
an employee. An example that I use all the time
and I love for people to think about, is you
don't nobody ever says like, hey, if you work at McDonald's,
your platform is that you work the front uh register, right,
But that is your platform for that point in time,
your job. If you're gonna equate a job as having

(37:30):
a platform, what would happen to McDonald's if when you
went into order McDonald's, you ordered a hamburger and the
person and McDonald's said, well, I appreciate the fact that
you want to order a hamburger here, but I believe
meat is murder. Maybe you should get a salad instead.
And if that employee said that to every single person
who went into McDonald's, do you know what happened? They

(37:51):
get fired? Because your job at McDonald's is not to
share your opinion every single day about whether or not
meat is murder and so I want to expand this
eight seven seven three six nine. But Dan Lebatar doesn't
have a platform at ESPN to go out and say
whatever his opinion is. More Over, a lot of people

(38:14):
ripped Jamal Hill. We talked about this when she said
the president of the United States of the white supremacist,
But she did it on her Twitter feed. She didn't
go on Sports Center and say, hey, I know you
guys are tuning in to find out who won the
latest Monday night football game. But before we get there,
I'm gonna tell you what I think about the latest

(38:35):
tax bill that's pending before Congress. And Kurt Shelling got
fired for a Facebook post about transgender issues. It wasn't
like they tossed to him on ESPN Airways and said, hey, uh, Kurt,
do you agree with the decision to remove that reliever
in the eighth inning and decide to go with the

(38:56):
closer with six outs to go? Or would you have
left in uh that that prior pitcher who was doing
pretty well. And Kurt Schilling came on and said, well,
that's an interesting question, but let me tell you what
I think about the transgender bathroom bill in North Carolina.
In other words, they didn't use ESPN airwaves and ESPN

(39:18):
radio to just advocate their own political opinions. So I
think arguably what Lebatar did was worse by far than
what Jamal Hill did, and essentially she got fired, and
also worse than what Kurt Schilling did at essentially he
got fired. What should happen here? I'll open up the

(39:38):
phone lines from my audience eight seven seven six three
six nine. What do you think? What do you think
about that controversy in general? Will also be joined by
John Morosy. Tulsi Gabbard, Democratic presidential candidate for president going
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curious see how exactly it's gonna go. We're gonna be

(40:40):
joined by Tulsi Gabbard. I put out on Twitter recently
that any Democratic or Republican presidential candidate for UH for
the office that wants to come on and talk to
the OutKick audience. It's not like I'm gonna grill them,
uh to a large extent, but just kind of let
you have an opportunity to meet them. UH is welcome
to come on. We'll try to make it war with

(41:00):
our schedule. And Tulsie Gabbard, to her credit, Democratic congresswoman
from Hawaii, her crew reached out and said, hey, we'd
like to come on. So she's gonna be on with
us an hour three. It's a big surfer, big mm
A fan. UH. So that's where we're gonna start off.
That interview and we'll just kind of see where it goes.
And uh, I hope that that other people who are

(41:21):
also running for president and have an interest in the
world of sports would be interested in coming on the
show live and talking with you guys, just so you
could see them maybe outside of the typical kind of
political arena and get a better sense for what they're
actually like. So we'll see how exactly that goes. Also,
want to remind you, uh that we have got an
awesome a uh podcast up that we're doing podcast exclusive

(41:46):
Wins and Losses. It's called and Kirk Herb Street is
our guest yesterday doub and I spent over two hours
with him. It's a long form conversation. If you were
out there and you've got a long drive, let's say
for summer vacation, and you need something you can listen
to while the kids are going crazy in the back
of the car, or let's say you're just uh, you know,

(42:06):
you need something to listen to uh in the afternoons.
Maybe you're coming home from work. Maybe you've got a
place where you drive and you don't have a great
radio signal. Whatever, I would encourage you to make sure
that you download that podcast. You can find it on iTunes.
Just type in my name play Travis, it'll pop up
in Kirk curb Street. If you're ready for college football.
We are almost exactly a month away from the start

(42:27):
of college football. In fact, tomorrow will be one month
until the start of college football. With the Florida and
Miami football game has taken place down in the city
of Orlando. Uh. Then I would encourage you guys to
to make sure that that you don't miss that Kirk
curb Street interview. UM and uh, Dub. I don't think
he would lie, but Dub, it's pretty good. Right For
people out there who haven't heard the wins and lost

(42:47):
this podcast yet, I think they would really enjoy hearing
from Kirk curb Street basically how he ended up doing
game day uh the time at Ohio State. What he
thinks about the difficulties of playing quarterback. He's got to
twin always, who are going to be students at Clemson
now playing football? Has preferred walk on with Dabo Sweeney.
All that is, uh is pretty intriguing stuff, no doubt.

(43:10):
If you're a college football fan or just a sports
fan in general, and you've got a two hour drive
coming up this weekend or whatever. Three hour drive, just
pop that thing on and that drive will feel like
it's about forty five minutes. It was a really interesting
conversation here in his path to get to where he
is today. It was not, you know, typical in a
sense of you know, what he studied in college and
all that. It was a really interesting listen. Yeah. I mean,

(43:31):
for instance, I'm gonna have to find something to listen
to because later on today I've got to drive down
to Memphis because I'm in the pro am that's going
on in advance of the World Golf Championship at w
g C p G, a event that's going on in Memphis, Tennessee,
this weekend. I'm I'm playing in that tomorrow, so I've
got to get down there. I'm doing the show from

(43:53):
We'll do the show for Memphis to get ready for
it tomorrow morning. But so you'll still hear from me
and everything else. But i gotta hop on and I'm
trying to think already what do I want to listen
to on that three hour drive. So I know there's
a lot of people who are making decisions about that
one thing that people are listening to probably the podcast
of this show, and thanks for always those of you
who download and listen to this show. But this story

(44:13):
has turned into a pretty pretty substantial narrative and it
has surrounded Damn Lebotard ever since he went on his
show on Thursday and decided to rip the president of
the United States. And on top of that, he ripped
ESPN for their policy of we don't typically talk about politics,
and he described it as a cowardly policy and ESPN said,

(44:37):
you know, you clearly violated our policy. And then yesterday
and we'll see what happens today, LeBatard told the president
of ESPN, Jimmy Pitarro, he was not in the right
frame of mind to do his radio show. Now, maybe
that's kind of a default suspension, but think about the
position that that Lebotard put his bosses in, um when

(44:59):
he made that decision to go on and discuss decide
to just talk politics on his radio show in violation
of ESPNS policy. Um. First of all, he went on
and ripped a company policy publicly. It's one thing to
dispute something privately, it's another thing entirely, I think to
go on and just tee off on it publicly, but

(45:20):
he put a ESPN in a really tough spot. Right.
The new president, Jimmy Petaro, has said, Look, our job
is to talk sports, and that is what we're trying
to do. We're trying to not be a political network.
And so that's why Jimmy Petarro's policy is one that
I think makes sense, which is, if you talk politics,
it should be connected to sports. I e. You can
talk Colin Kaepernick, you can talk Megan Rapino, but they

(45:43):
are the jumping off point for intersecting the world of
sports and politics, not you. And if you decide to
just blatantly talk politics, what you have done is you
put your your bosses in a really tough spot. Because, uh,
Jimmy Petaro is a new president of ESPN decision to make.
If he suspends Lebotard, which he probably needs to do

(46:05):
to set the precedent that this rule has teeth and
that it matters, then Lebotard becomes a woke hero. Right.
So this is great for Lebotard anytime. It can be
great for an individual and bad for an overall brand.
But the problem is it sets a precedent that, uh,
that you can get away with this. But if you

(46:28):
do suspend him, then you make him a martyr and
he becomes a woke hero, and arguably you prolong the story.
So let's let's pretend. Like I always say, it's instructive
if you try to think about a job, putting yourself
in the mind of the person who has to make

(46:49):
a difficult decision is a great way to pretend and
work towards one day becoming a boss yourself, because ultimately,
if you are a boss, what you are being paid
for is your judgment. And that's a challenge sometimes because
usually you get promoted based on your skill of labor.

(47:10):
But at some point, if you become a manager or
you become a boss, you are being promoted for your judgment,
for your skill and management, more so than you're being
promoted for your underlying skill in a particular field. It's
an easy way to think about this. Let's say you
work on an assembly line and you are the best

(47:31):
at your particular job on that assembly line. At some
point you get promoted to where you may not work
on that assembly line anymore, and your prior area of expertise.
Let's say you were the best welder on the assembly line.
Now you are in charge of trying to make bigger decisions.
It's a totally new job, right. So the question that

(47:53):
I think, uh that is interesting out there is how
would you respond to this? What would you do if
you were ESPN's president. Jimmy Petaro and Dan Lebotard has
basically spit in your face and said, I'm gonna come
on my radio show and talk as much politics as
I want, with or without your approval, and I'm gonna

(48:14):
call your policy cowardly. If you suspend him, you make
him a martyr. If you do nothing, you basically are
are running the risk of your entire policy being blown up.
And to Jimmy Petar's credit, what he has tried to
do is dial back down this ridiculous nous of I
think what most of you would say, way too much

(48:36):
politics in the world of sports. So how if this
is your goal to make sports just about sports, how
do you handle this? Danny g dang as super tough, right,
I mean this is tough, right. I guess I would
find a sponsor, have you do the read, Clay and
then redo the read the next day for the sponsor
um and say, okay, you have ten minutes a ten

(48:58):
minutes sponsored saying meant to talk politics to Labatard ten
minutes on your show, to talk politics every day. I
think that's a bad That's one. That's one way. It's
the only thing I could think of, though, because nothing
else makes sense, because you're you're so right, You're damned
if you do, you're damned if you don't. It's interesting
because it is. It is such a c C. This

(49:22):
is where I would tie all this together is I
would say this ties in with me to Colin Kaepernick,
which is if you're an employee and your employer, your
business owner, uh, your business governor in the world of
the NBA these days, Uh, if if you are an employee,
then ultimately you serve at the discretion of your employer

(49:43):
or your boss. Every single person who is listening to
us this morning has something that they don't like about
their job, right that if you were in charge at
your business, you would say, hey, we're no longer going
to do X or Y, because I think it's stupid.
But if you know that you're supposed to do it,

(50:05):
and if you choose not to do it or to
do it anyway, there are consequences. And that's why I
think it was so cowardly of Dan Lebotard to say,
like yesterday on his show, oh, I'm not in the
right frame of mind to do the show on Monday.
You're not in the right frame of mind. You violated

(50:26):
the prescriptions of your job, and then you didn't show
up to deal with the consequences of them. That's a
really infantile response in my mind. Like, I think Jimmy Pittaro,
the president of ESPN, has tried to finesse this, doub
what would you do, Like, how do you handle this?
I mean, this is a tough one because I mean

(50:49):
he just absolutely, you know, basically said screw you to
that rule and publicly said this is a stupid, cowardly
rule essentially on his television show and on his radio show.
The radio show is simulcast like you can't it's basically
spitting in the eye of his boss. Yeah, no doubt,
And I kind of agree with you. I think this

(51:10):
was basically a pseudo suspension his you know, him telling
the audience or whatever that he's not in the right
frame of mind. I'll be interested to see if he's
there today for his show, and if he's not, then
I think we you can definitely say that it is
some sort of, you know, pseudo suspension. He's outspoken, though,
so do you guys think he'd really tuck tail and

(51:32):
not tell everybody, Hey, I just got suspended. Well, I
think it's an interesting question. I mean, it's possible. Jimmy
Pitaro said, Hey, I'm gonna suspend you. You're not allowed
to come in on Monday. You can make it your
own decision, or you can make it the company's decision.
Did he still do his TV television show? Yeah? I
think he still did the television show. I don't know,
but it's the same boss. Yeah. The difference is television

(51:55):
is so scripted, Like as a guy who does television
daily and all so does radio, it's much it's much
easier to get off onto tangents, and like the radio
show exists more so at my discretion, right, Like I
can come in in theory and talk about a variety
of different subjects every day, whereas in television, because they

(52:17):
have to put on what's called the b roll in
the video and everything else around you, it's much more
like a play, right, Like you get an entire script
of where television is going, whereas when I sit down
in this chair to start to talk. On Monday or
Tuesday or Wednesday or Thursday or Friday. The first thing
I say to Danny g is, hey, what do you
think the lead story today should be? Right? Like, there's

(52:38):
literally no script other than maybe we know who guests
might be, like John Morosey is up next. But there's
a big difference kind of taking you behind the curtain
in television and radio. Uh, people don't typically go off
script that often on television because there's where there's less
way less time, right, but way less time. But also
because you have to have the the way television is created,

(53:00):
Like you just don't sit down in front of a
camera and just start talking about whatever you want to
talk about, because they're like, Okay, well, if you're gonna
talk about the Dallas Cowboys, we gotta have footage pulled
of Ezekiel Elliott. Right. If you're gonna talk about what
about the Tom Brady jumping off a cliff with his daughter,
We've got to have that video footage ready to roll.

(53:20):
It's not something where you can just have it put
together almost immediately by the seat of your pants. So
it's just it's a totally different dynamic and uh. And
I'm not surprised that television they're not as worried about
how exactly he's gonna handle it. I mean, I think
he's got to address it. Um and Uh. I think
it's cowardly right now. I think they're trying to finesse

(53:42):
a response because he's put his employer in such a
ridiculous position. What would you do, Eddie, Like, if you're
ESPNS president, how do you handle this? I would suspend
him for a week. Uh. And I think the fact
that it is a new president, a guy who's and
I've been on the job very long, that he has
to set a president. It's not just for Dan Lebotard,
but for all the other employees that you know. I've

(54:03):
made the rules. We've made the rules, and I'm not
going to let you skate on them, because if he
lets him go, then someone else is going to take
advantage of him later. You've been at Fox Sports Radio
a long time. Has you talked about the guys getting
in a fist fight? Has anybody actually been suspended for
what they've said at Fox Sports Radio before for violating
company rules like on air talent? Do you remember that ever? Happening. No,

(54:24):
I don't. Yeah, And I mean I think that's a
credit again to our bosses that we don't have a
lot of explicit rules. But if I mean, I think
I would deserve to get suspended for inst I'll give
you a behind the scenes uh story here. So, uh,
my boss Scotch Spiro comes to me and he says, hey,
we gotta have at least five minutes segments every single segment,
and if you don't, you don't get credit ratings wise

(54:45):
for it. And he's like, I want you to work
on making sure that you manage the clock in a
smart way. And I've got the guys on the you
guys know this. That's not something we would share regularly,
but our goal is to make sure that every single
segment of this show count. And like a couple of remember,
we had an experiment. I was like, hey, what if
we have a really long was it was a really

(55:07):
short opening segment? What did we do you? Yeah, you
messed up the clock to where you did like this
really long middle segment. Yeah, But my goal was I
was only gonna go like eight minutes in the opening
segment and then we would have a massive second segment right, like,
so the commercial breaks would not be very substantial. And
I was like, you know, we gotta have three commercial

(55:28):
breaks an hour or whatever the math is. We had
the different segments to put together, and I was like,
you know what, I'm gonna experiment here. Let's do like
an eight minute open and then we will have a
massive middle segment and uh and then and I think
actually the goal was to have a massive, longer segment
at the end. That's what we were doing. We were
trying to get so that the final like the final

(55:49):
segment of the hour was like a half hour straight
with no commercial break. That's what we were doing. We
were doing an early break an hour one like eight
or nine minutes in, then we were another break. You
wanted the last segment to be like the middle segment.
And honestly, the reason why I thought of that was
because the Fox Sports radio Fox Sports television guys who
listened in the morning on their drive into work, they

(56:11):
were like, Hey, we listen every morning, but like, why
don't you want to have your biggest segment be your
final half hour because that's the largest possible audience. Right
like on the West Coast, it's five thirty in the
morning on the East coast, it's eight thirty in the morning,
like a lot more people are up. And I was like,
you know what, that makes a lot of sense. And
so I did it. And it was like, I mean,

(56:31):
it was like hell came undone, right, because there were
a bunch of people who were like, we have over
three affiliates and a bunch of them miss their commercial breaks,
and like Scott was like, oh my god, like what happened?
Scott Shapiro is like, we got so many complaints. He
was like, you could never do this again, right, Like
you you thought that you were a genius because of
the way you were doing the clock, but you can't

(56:52):
do this anymore. Right. Imagine what would happen if I
came in after having that conversation and I continued to
do it over and over and over again. Either I
would get fired or he'd have to suspend me, right
because I would be flagrantly not following his directions about
what we have to do for the clock, right. And
so that to me is an intriguing it's an intriguing spot.

(57:14):
So you say you just spending for a week, Eddie, Yeah,
I I don't. I don't think again, if you're if
you've been there longer and people know you know what
you're about. And I just think because he's a new
guy on the job, you have to let everyone know.
This is the line you don't cross if you if
you let him go, then you know, all hell breaks loose.

(57:36):
What would you do, Roberto, I'd fire him and hied
Danny Geen that's good. Yeah, you'd find that's that's aggressive.
All right. I think we got Do we have anybody
who wants to weigh in on calls? Do we have
anybody dub Yeah, we do. We can start off here
with Derek and Iola. Derek, what would you do? Hell? Yeah,
we're here? Oh sorry, good morning guys. Hey. Um, yeah,

(58:01):
there's so I found Don's hill in I don't know
the past few years. I can't hardly listen to him anymore.
But um, with anybody working in the real world, I
think could be the suspended or fired, no matter what,
if you came up with an excuse first of all,
violating a policy deliberately on someone else's stage and calling
me cowardly. I think he's being a coward and like

(58:23):
you said, he's supposed to Willow. But there's only really
one person in recent history that's called Anna said he
wasn't in the right frame of mine to come in
the next morning, and that O. J. Simpson so um.
And another thing is uh Danny gez uh. His opinion
on that was horrible. So that's the thing I want
to say, have a good morning. Yeah, yeah, Well it

(58:44):
was supposed to be horrible because I was proving the
point that there's no easy way to fix it. There's
no You didn't actually mean that there's there they really
I mean, you put your bosses in such a bad
spot that I don't know what the solution. I think
you probably do have to suspend him. I mean, honestly,
what would you do? Who's up next? We got Jeff
and Cincinnati. Jeff, what would you do? This not a

(59:09):
good start. I always in Cincinnati have not been ready
to go. All right, let's go down to the great
Chin of Texas. We got Andy and Houston. I swear
to God, Hello, yeah, hey, what's up? Oh, it's really easy.
I would spending for a week without pay, and when
he came back on the air, he would apologize for
going against my policy. And if it happens again, his

(59:31):
butt would be on the street. Your guy exactly right.
This isn't his platform and ESPNS platform. Dan Labatar doesn't
sign checks. I don't believe. Uh this splins. Somebody gets
too big for their own bridges. That's an old saying.
I'm an old guy. Uh, that's a that's a that's
all you gotta do. It's pretty simple. He has to

(59:52):
come on the air and say why he was What
he did was wrong, it was against ESPNS policy, and
it will not happen again, and he's sorry that it happened.
That's what I think. There's a lot of people out
there going into jobs where they work their asses off,
and they think this guy gets paid millions of dollars
to talk about sports for a living. He's got a
television show on ESPN, and he's got a radio show.

(01:00:14):
And I try to always keep this in the back
of my mind whenever I'm thinking, like, oh, I'm working
really hard. What I do really doesn't matter that much.
Like I enjoy it. I hope you guys enjoy the show,
but most people don't want to hear. Oh, I've got
it so tough. You know what I have to do.
I have to get out of bed. I have to
put a headset on, and I have to talk about
the latest news in the world of sports. There's really

(01:00:35):
not in the grand scheme of things. There are guys
right now listening to me who were driving to go
stand out in a hundred and ten degree asphalt heat
laying asphalt, right, that's a tough job. They're sweating their
asses off, They're in danger. You know, cars are flying
by them at rapid speeds. That's a tough job. My
job is not really that tough, So the least I

(01:00:57):
can do is try to do it well and actually
listen to my bosses. Right. It's not like they're micromanaging
the show on a day to day basis, But when
they give me suggestions, I try to follow them. And
I certainly don't come on my show and just randomly
start firing off in different directions haphazardly like Lebotard did,

(01:01:18):
and then I don't say, oh, I've got you know,
like I'm unable to come into work the next day
because I've got issues with what was the phrase again,
I'm not in the right frame of mind, dub. Do
we want to take any more calls or what's our situation?
I'm a little bit. We got one color left. We
got one color left. We got Jim and Dayton, all right, Daton, Daton, Ohio.
What would you do? Well, what would I do? I

(01:01:40):
probably have at least give him a one possibly uh
after that you get one time, just like in the
military any time, sorry and you give one time, you
do it my way or uh you hit the road. Yeah.
I mean, look, I think there are a lot of
people out there say, like this is always funny to
think about. Like, I try also not to get that
cocky about what I do for a living. But in

(01:02:03):
almost every profession, if you blatantly defy the person who
writes your check, you get fired. If you're in the military,
like our our man there in Dayton just called and
you're like, hey, I don't want to uh, let's I
don't want to wear the uh. I don't want to
show up for PT. Okay, well, and I'm not gonna

(01:02:25):
show up for multiple days in a row because I
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(01:03:07):
I actually got to go to see my first game
in the Rockies Stadium out of course field over the
last week with my family. Fantastic experience. UM, really awesome,
really intriguing, though I'm curious what you think about this.
We were sitting right at the edge of the dugout
where the the the the uh. In theory, all the

(01:03:29):
separation is going to be right the netting, and as
a result, my son was able to get a ball
tossed to him as one of the players running off
the field. And I hadn't really thought about how that
could change if you put up netting all the way around,
but the idea of getting you know, a foul ball
tossed to you, I guess by a player would almost
cease to exist. Well, good morning. You are right that

(01:03:54):
it certainly changed the dynamic. However, there are parts Houston
is one of them where they are able to have
the the way that the like, the the raising and
lowering of sense you can you can raise it up
during the course of of BP when when there's the
cage that protects around the around home plates. So that

(01:04:14):
means that allows for some activity to occur in interaction,
to occur UH in the in the batting practice time
that would not necessarily occurring the UH during the game itself.
So it's there are ways to do it. Certainly now
considerable fanfare around the White Sox having all the way downlines,
which I personally think is a good idea. I know

(01:04:34):
that there are a lot of different schools thought on it.
I think for me and from having been down there
a lot and in close proximity to the the camera, wells,
I mean, the balls are coming out of that UH
at home plate now play at velocities that I've never
seen before, and so I I just think, out of
a safety thing and being a parent, I would like
to have the netting all the way down. Pall seem

(01:04:57):
to agree with that. The players feel that way, and
and I do think an increasing number of fans agree.
I think it's a good move too. Do you think
it will happen? I do eventually. It certainly hasn't happened yet.
There's there's a you know, I still think a number
of a number of teams that maybe holdouts with it,
especially given how their parks are constructed. And on that point,

(01:05:20):
I I I do believe that it's important for MB
as as has been the case, to leave it up
to each individual team because they this is not like
hockey where where you've got a universal construct of of
of the playing service and it's all the same. It's
it's it's unique and different, and so I do think

(01:05:41):
that each individual team should be allowed to make its
own conclusion on that. But I I am hopeful that
eventually teams will do what the White Sox have done
and and just realized the with them from a fan
experience standpoint out of fairness to your players extended down
to the right field. And I could say I've I've
watched games as the spectator from behind the netting, and

(01:06:04):
I don't feel as I'm missing out on anything from
Matt standpoint, Uh, who's gonna be in the were now
over a hundred games, right, which is you know, we're
getting up on whatever the math is. There a substantial
portion of the Major League Baseball season being complete. At
you know, a hundred and twenty games, you're really like

(01:06:25):
of the way through the season. So we're in another
couple of weeks, it's really gonna be far along. Who
would be your World Series picks right now? In the
Pert League play the Yankees and the NL the Dodgers
pretty uh, which will be an ideal World series for baseball,
right if they could get the Dodgers series ratings wise,
buzz wise, everything. But you look at it and the

(01:06:49):
do have the best record in the NL, and and
the Yankees right better in a great situation in the
a L. And they'll probably get even better with the
movie or the deadline. I don't see a team on
paper in either league better than those that I just mentioned.
Played better of late. They've been very much hot and gold.

(01:07:09):
They had a very difficult stretch. Now they've won six
in a row. They're playing better. The consistency of the
rotation for them, it's paramount. They've been very inconsistent there
have the Astros and and so I think that's that's
one thing where if if they can get consistent, then
then I really like their chances to maybe put it
Scared into the Yankees in the nl UM the Braves

(01:07:30):
to me are the team. They are a fascinating team.
I think if the Braves find a way to add
one more major fact reliever, you know, their position player
a group right now is very good. They've got a
lot of young pitching. Had a good return this week,
Kevin Gossman coming back that was encouraging. UM. So it's
a club that's got I think a lot to a
lot to offer. Uh and and Freddie Freeman of course,

(01:07:53):
running Lacuny junior is one of the great young game
and Jonaldson's come back and and had a really good
impact for them this year too. So they've got a
lot of the equipment there too. I think to put
Scared of the Dodgers, maybe even beat them in an NLCS.
But I think there's short one reliever and the key
play in the National Lenku playoffs is just all the

(01:08:14):
left ey. You've got to find a way to be
able to handle the Dodgers lefties bold in rotation and
the Atlanta uh it's both very lefty heavy. So that
means that the paramount thing here is good lefty pitching
to control of the lefty batters, and then good righty
bats to counteract the lefty starters. So that I think
we'll see if the deadline are coming up, of course

(01:08:35):
a week from tomorrow, I we'll see a lot of
activity in that regard at the NL teams to build
themselves up in a way that allows them to have
a chance at beating the Dodgers. It really feels as
if there is only going to be one divisional race. Now.
I know there's still sixty games left and a lot
of different things can happen, but there are big gaps

(01:08:55):
that are opening up in most of the most of
the divisions. Now, maybe the a L central between the
Twins and the Indians gonna end up being a good battle,
but by far I think the most intriguing one, at
least for the way it appears coming down the stretch,
and it's actually ended up. Pittsburgh and the and the
Reds have both fallen apart here lately, but you still

(01:09:17):
have right now the Cubs, the Cardinals, and the Brewers,
all separated by two games or less. Who wins the
NL Central. I believe if the Brewers get an arm
they can do it. But until that happens, I've got
to go with the Cups. It's they've got I believe
the best overall roster. Um, there are still so weak.

(01:09:38):
This is on it, but I think they've got the
best roster right now, and and I think they're gonna
get better as well. I guess I would look at
it and say, starting from right now, the starting line,
if you if you play that season from right now,
I believe the Cubs have the better team, and I
also think that they're going to get better at the deadline.
The Cardinals, they're they're playing out. They're a team that

(01:10:00):
they're so interesting right now, Clay, because they've got such
a great following, loyal following, but they just they haven't
played that well for really a couple of years now,
and uh, they've been a middling team. We thought that
Goldschman coming in would would really solve a lot of
those issues. Hasn't been the case, um, And and so
I think the Cardinals still have some capacity to get better.
But I believe that with the Cubs, and I'm pretty

(01:10:22):
sure they're gonna leave her, pretty sure to get a bat.
They really like n Casti Alis in Detroit, UM, so
I think we'll see some trade activity there in the
National League Central. But I I do really believe at
the end of the day, the peck order will stay
what it is right now, which is the Cubs of
the top. Outstanding stuff is always John Morosey. Go fall
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(01:10:44):
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(01:11:56):
if I'm if I'm mistaken. Here, but a woman in
indane Jo was swallowed hole by a python as she
checked her corn fields. Uh. The name of the woman
is Wa Tiba. She lived on Manna Island off the
coast of Sulawisi. I might be mispronouncing all of this.

(01:12:16):
She left home Thursday night to visit her corn field,
about a half mile from her home. Uh. When she
didn't return, her sister went out to find her. Found
her footprints, her flashlight, her slippers, and a machete. On Friday,
a hundred villagers this is last month, went and looked
around and they found a twenty three ft long snake

(01:12:40):
with a very swollen belly. The villagers killed the snake,
cut it open and found the woman inside. We didn't
talk about this, right, It happens every now and then
in Indonesia that people are getting eaten by these pythons. Yeah,
this is a tweet that I also have been recently
getting from listeners. But I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not

(01:13:02):
sure how it slipped by. Yeah, that's a that's a
big miss by us. But yeah, person gets eaten by
a snake usually it would be the lead in the
animal Thunderdome. So as bad as your day, maybe at
least you don't have to worry about getting eaten by
a snake. Probably that would be a tough break. You
want to stay with snakes? Not really, but I'm your favorite.

(01:13:23):
A dog died while trying to save its owners one
year old son from a venomous the worst stories ever. No,
I mean the dog is a hero though. Listen, dog died,
not the kids, I know. But it's a dog and
it's a one year old, and like it's like you're
just trying to make people cry to start off their day. No,
it's some brave dogs here. The incident took place in

(01:13:43):
the Philippines last Friday afternoon. Himie Selim said his toddler
was asleep when his two ducks ins fought the snake
as it tried to enter their home. Closed caption footage
shows the dogs trying to fight this reptile. They didn't try,
they did fight by by eating it. The snake got
stronger with every bite. It's spewed venom throughout this fight.

(01:14:05):
Eventually the cobra did die. However, one of the dogs,
named Miley, was bitten by the snake and died minutes later. Meanwhile,
the other ducks and, which was bitten in the eye,
was rushed to a nearby animal hospital, where it underwent
treatment and was listed as stable. Selim said he's grateful
for his pets showing exceptional courage in ensuring the safety

(01:14:26):
of his family. How did the cobra get in the house?
It doesn't say yeah, So my thought in general is
congratulations to the hero dogs, but maybe figure out how
the cobra got in your house? Right? I mean that
that seems like the dogs were put into danger. Uh.
The one year old protected by the dogs man's best friend.

(01:14:49):
But I want to know how the cobra got into
the house. What else he got? Everything is bigger in Texas,
including Tarantula's residents in the Austin area have been watching
their step because of tarantula's, some as big as five
inches across the Austin American Statesman reports. Why is there
tarantula infestation? It says cooler temperatures and rainfall in recent

(01:15:11):
months may have something to do. So Austin is the
only place that's not baking in the sun, and they've
suddenly been infested by tarantulas. That's what it seems like,
It says. Male tarantulas tend to be more active than females,
said Texas Parks and Wildlife biologists Ross Winton. He says
tarantula's usually live in hollowed out logs or in burrows
in open fields. Austin Nature and Science Center specialist Hayley

(01:15:37):
Rio says that floodwaters could force tarantula's out of their burrows,
leading to more in the community. Tarantula's bite they do. Uh,
they're not poisonous, but obviously it hurts when they oh,
yeahla around. Yeah. So people in Austin have been posting
lots of pictures of these huge tarantulas all over social media,

(01:15:58):
so it is definitely something to watch out for there
in the now. And then my boys have gotten aware
of my wife's fear of spiders. So and this is
probably the downside of being a mom with three boys.
One of them will just say, Mom, you've got a
spider on you, and like she just loses her mind,
Like even if it's not true, she thinks that she does.
And uh, I don't know what the great fear of

(01:16:20):
spiders is, but being a mom with three boys who
have realized that you are afraid of spiders not necessarily
very enjoyable for for my wife. All right, when we
come back, final hour of the show will dive into
the latest in the world of sports, including the NFL
continuing to suspend players even though they let Tyreek Hill off.

(01:16:41):
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(01:17:44):
also heard that she's a big Rugby fan. Uh. She
is going to join us at the next segment. Should
be a lot of fun. First of the Democratic or
Republican presidential candidates to come on the show. We'll see
who else wants to come on, but she wanted to
reach out to our audience and speak with you guys.
Think that'll be enjoyable. UM, I want to encourage you

(01:18:06):
as well. We recorded a big podcast yesterday with Kirk
herb Street on the Winds and Lost his podcast. If
you are a fan of long form conversations, good chats.
We did two plus hours with Kirk Urbs Herb Street
over how he ended up on college game day, how
did he end up in media, what does he see

(01:18:26):
as his job when he calls the major college football
playoff games? All of those angles discussed in great detail
with Kirk herb Street. You were there, Dub. It's pretty outstanding.
I think people will love it, no doubt, especially for
people my age who are, you know, fresh out of
college sort of and kind of trying to figure out
what they want to do. Herb Street, you know, he

(01:18:47):
had a big decision in his life that Letendory was
and uh, a little hit in hand. It's not all
about the money, and it worked out pretty good for Kirk.
So it's a great listen. If he got two hours
to kill, it'll it'll make those two hours go by
pretty quick. Yeah, he said. One of the big decisions
he had to make, I think it was in when
he graduated from Ohio State. He had a couple of opportunities.

(01:19:07):
One was to go work for a pharmaceutical sales company
and they were paying him seventy five or eighty thousand dollars,
and the other was he could go do sports talk
radio for twelve thousand dollars a year, and he took
the twelve thousand dollar a year sports talk radio job
and so as a result, that ultimately led into him
becoming the face of college football and uh and obviously

(01:19:31):
his career has been a tremendous success since then. But
it's wild to think about. Two he got on Game
Day at the age of twenty six. He joined Lead
Corso and Chris Fowler. Uh. It's that is that is
pretty insane to think about. I mean, just a couple
of years out of college, twenty six years old. Uh,
he joined College Game Day and he's now been on there.

(01:19:52):
This is about to be his twenty fourth year of
doing that show, which is pretty wild to think about
because he's probably got I mean, if you look at Corso,
I think Lead Corso is eight. Assuming that Herb Street
wanted to continue to do Game Day, I mean, he
could theoretically do it until he's seventy five or eighty
years old, to continue to call college football games as well.
It's just a really good discussion. I'd encourage you guys

(01:20:14):
to to dive into that. Yesterday we had a big
discussion on this show about the Tyree Hill incident and
why and how he avoided punishment compared to Ezekiel Elliott
and Kareem Hunt. At Kareem Hunt's gonna miss around thirteen games,
Ezekiel Elliott misss six and we said, well, maybe this
represents a change in the NFL's policy when it comes

(01:20:37):
to levying punishments. Maybe they're not going to be a
severe and then boom, literally the next work day, yesterday
after we went off the air, they suspend a guy,
jarn Reid I believe it is from the Seattle Seahawks
for six games for a domestic violence related incident that
was investigated by police and twenties seventeen, no charges were filed,

(01:21:02):
no criminal charges, and then the NFL comes out and
they suspend the guy for six games. That makes absolutely
no sense at all. Uh, So that uncertainty continues to
loom over the NFL. To me, it's something that needs
to be addressed in the next collective collective bargaining agreement
and the players need to say we are not going
to stand for this anymore. Uh The NFL cannot be judge,

(01:21:25):
jury and executioner. One man. Roger Goodell should not have
the authority to undertake the actions that he has been undertaking.
I actually think that would be a smart decision UH
for NFL players to stand up to, but that is
UH still to be determined in the future. In the meantime,
it still makes no sense what happened with Tyreek Hill. Again,

(01:21:48):
it makes no sense whatsoever if you consider it in
light of Kareem Hunt, Ezekiel Elliott and now Jaren Reid
and the suspension that has been levied against him. On
top of that, NFL training camp season up on us.
By Friday, every team will have reported UH and all
the veterans will have as well. And the big uncertainty

(01:22:09):
that is hanging out there from a sports perspective, I
would say, is what's gonna happen with the running backs?
In particular? Melvin Gordon and Ezekiel Elliott are both saying
that they expect the l A Chargers and the Dallas
Cowboys respectively to negotiate big contract extensions for them with
substantial dollars involved. And the challenge there is are the

(01:22:32):
running backs worth it given the continued devolution of value
associated with their position in general, and given the storylines
that are out there. Look at what happened with the Rams.
They gave Todd Gurley big money. It now looks like
he may have significant arthritis in his knee. But when
Todd Gurley wasn't able to go full speed, what did

(01:22:54):
they do? They handed the ball off to C. J. Anderson,
who they found on the waiver or a guy who
wasn't even playing football at all, and he performed fantastically
for them at running back. What happened last year when
Levian Bell hung held out, James Conner steps into his
spot and doesn't really lose a step in terms of

(01:23:16):
the overall Pittsburgh Steeler offense, he was almost as good.
Both of those guys, C. J. Anderson and James Conner
cost an absolute fraction of what Todd Gurley and Levian
Bell made, And as a result, I think the Dallas
Cowboys are in a tough spot, in particular because the

(01:23:37):
Dallas Cowboys are dealing with Dak Prescott's contract coming up soon.
They've got to figure out what to do with a
Mari Cooper, and they have to figure out what to
do with Ezekiel Elliott. Now, if you're Jerry Jones and
you're looking at that trio, you're thinking to yourself, Man,
you know what I would love if a Mari Cooper
can become my modern day Michael Irvin. I would love
if Dak Prescott can become my modern day Troy a

(01:24:00):
And and I would love if Ezekiel Elliott can be
my modern day Emmett Smith. I would be ecstatic if
that could be my Big three? But can you afford
to pay all three? And in particular, can you afford
to risk big money on Ezekiel Elliott given that while
you may not feel it's fair and I didn't on
the six game suspension for Ezekiel Elliott, there's a lot

(01:24:22):
of uncertainty about off field related behavior from Ezekiel Elliott,
and typically what happens, money makes you more of what
you already are. It's a great line, and it makes
so much sense. Money doesn't change people, It just allows
them to become more of what they already were. And

(01:24:44):
so if you believe that Ezekiel Elliott's behavior has at
times been tenuous, and again I don't agree with the
six game suspension, I don't think it's a huge story.
When you watch that video of him bumping the security guard,
he had to pull down the top moment at the
at the party, I think it was in Mobile or wherever.

(01:25:04):
Maybe it was in New Orleans, wherever it was where
they were celebrating Marty Gras. All these little things seemed
to be adding up for Ezekiel Elliott. Can you afford
to invest big money in a running back? Number one?
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I'm not sure that you can. But all of that
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This is the last week without football if you count
the XFL until was it April of next next year?

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(01:26:38):
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This canna be fun uh, Democratic candidate for President of
the United States. And she's a surfer, she's an m
M A fan, she's a rugby fan. We're gonna lead
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state of Hawaii, and I believe she is with us
right now, right on time. And this is perfect. Tulsi.
I appreciate you coming on with us, uh and I

(01:29:28):
want to start with this. I want to lead in
with all sorts of sports questions for you here. I
understand you are a surfer. You grew up in Hawaii.
When was the first time you went out into the
surf with a surfboard and attempted it for the first time?
Do you remember, Good morning, Clay, Yes, I do remember.
I actually when I first learned how to swim, it
was in the ocean. That was my first experience in

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the ocean, just as a little kid. But I started
out bodyboarding first, and then I saw a lot of
my friends pick up surfing, and so I got got
an old surfboard and took it out by myself and
kind of taught myself how to surf and crashed and
burned and got rumbled and tumbled a bunch of times.
That's probably about I don't know, thirteen or fourteen, but

(01:30:11):
just completely fell in love and it's it's my my
favorite thing to do every time I get to go
back home to Hawaii or or find an ocean somewhere
wherever I am. So, what is the highest wave that
you would have surfed in your in your time as
a surfer so far? Like, how high up above the
water have you gotten? Yeah, it's it's um probably like

(01:30:35):
two or three feet overhead. That's pretty substantial. It's it's
it's not bad, it's not crazy huge. I I uh,
I like to have fun. I don't like to speer
for my life when I'm out there. So uh, it's
it's amazing though it is um challenging. You don't know
what the waves are going to bring, but there's absolutely

(01:30:56):
no feeling like dropping in on a big way wave
and being able to ride it through. It's it's incredible.
So we do a segment on the show called Animal
Thunderdome where we talk about the conflict between animals and
humans and the danger that can be involved there. Have
you ever on the surfboard feared based on a shark
proximity or any kind of animal situation, because I know

(01:31:19):
in Hawaii like there is you know, every now and
then there is a human and shark interaction. Have you
ever felt scared as a surfer? Uh No, not not
some animals I've got, I've been surprised, I've got caught
off guard. I remember one time I was duck diving
under a wave and all of a sudden started hearing
some dolphins chirping really really close by. And so it

(01:31:41):
wasn't it wasn't scary or anything. It was just like, oh, hello,
you're right there. And and so we get We get
dolphins a lot out where we surf in Hawaii. Um,
you know, we hear about sharks every now and then,
but I haven't come into close proximity with one, to
my knowledge. At least we get a lot of hurtles
and even some some monk seals who come and hang out.

(01:32:04):
I know that you are an m m A karate
kind of aggressive trainer when it comes to the way
that you stay in shape. Uh, and so do you
watch mm A fights? I mean, is that something that
you pay attention to or something that intrigues you yeah,
every now and then. I used to follow it really closely.
I I don't have as much time to do that now,

(01:32:25):
but I'm I'm just really excited by how many great
fighters are coming out of Hawaii lately. Uh. You know,
Max Holloway obviously is um just not not only with
with the way that he fights and and how he dominates,
but you know, we're just we're proud of the way
that he represents our home state and the class um

(01:32:49):
and respect that he brings the sport. Yancey Madero's Elima
McFarlane on the women's side, I mean, both men and women,
We've got incredible talent coming from Hawaii. And to me,
what I just what I love about out and I
think what a lot of people who don't watch m
m a UM misunderstand about it is. You know, this
is a really, really tough sport that that requires such

(01:33:11):
incredible discipline and training. And you know, when you've got
these two fighters stepping into the octagon and you know,
laying it all out and then they both walk out,
you know, respecting each other for for knowing all that
goes into that. And for me, I grew up doing
martial arts as a kid. Um done a lot of

(01:33:32):
different martial arts throughout my life, and you know, started
out with taekwondo, u tai chi, Filipino stick fighting, um
jiu jitsu, and then actually spent a lot of time,
probably the most time doing a Brazilian martial art called copuetta.
I don't know if you've heard of it, but it's
uh it was. It was a martial art that was

(01:33:54):
originally created by slaves in Brazil as as a Mark
Schill art disguised by music and dance and acrobatics. So
they would practice their art is their form of resistance,
and then whenever there you know, their field master or
whatever came around, they would switch it off away from
the martial art and into into the music and dad

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that's a big cultural thing, but it's a very unpredictable
art that I've just grown to appreciate and have a
lot of fun with. I read in a New Yorker
profile that's fascinating that you are a part of a
really tough training regimen for congressmen and women on the hill.
What can you tell me about that and how rigorous

(01:34:37):
is that workout, um? And who are some of the
people that that that are a part of those workouts. Yeah. Well,
speaking of mixed martial art, the leader of our workout
group is a friend and very good friend of mine,
a Republican congressman from Oklahoma named Mark Wayne Mullen, and
he was a mixed martial arts fighter. He's owned a gym,

(01:34:58):
he's a wrestler and so that to his background, and
so he leads us with, um, uh pretty tough. I
mean it's it's high intensity interval type training. But there
there's no slack cut, there's no politically correct language in
the gym in the morning, and it's a great it's
a great time for us to just get together work out.

(01:35:20):
I've I've made some of the best friends that I
have in Congress through that that that workout time. The
other would kick each other's butts and walk out of
They're always feeling challenged. Uh, sweaty, and yeah, glad that
we did it. Who would you would he be the
guy that you would pick if there were like a
Royal Rumble style mm A challenge and somebody from Congress

(01:35:42):
had to emerge? Would he be the favorite? Without a doubt,
Without a doubt, he would not only be the favorite,
he would be the only choice if you're picking from
that pool. You mentioned that it's a you know that
he's a Republican, and that obviously one of one of
the things that I think is intriguing about this current
cycle that we're in. If some people out there would say,
oh my god, why in the world would you try

(01:36:04):
and be bipartisan at all? Very much our politics seems
to be tribal. You seem to be a little bit
different in that, even though you're running for president as
a Democrat, you want to reach across the aisle and
try to find common understanding by partisanship with other people.
Why has that become rare? Why is it important? It's
it's unfortunate that it becomes so rare that you know,

(01:36:27):
too many politicians and and you know, both both parties
are guilty of this, are putting their own party's interests
or their political interests, ahead of the interests of the people.
I mean, if if you look at you know, what's
required in our everyday lives, whether it's at work or school,
or in our family or whatever. You know, you you're

(01:36:47):
going to be working with people you disagree with. Sometimes
you've got to be able to find ways to work
through those disagreements. Um, but really it's about focusing on
on what is our common goal, what is our common interest.
And I can tell you as as a soldier, I
love America. I love our country, I love our people.
It's why it's why I, you know, volunteered and enlisted

(01:37:09):
in the military after al Qaeda attack, this online eleven.
It's why I ran for Congress. That's why I'm running
for president, and it's why I think it's important for
us as a country, Republican, Democrats, independence, libertarians to rally
together around those common values and principles that we share
and understanding the importance of protecting our freedoms rooted in

(01:37:31):
our constitution. Freedom of speech, you know, freedom of religion,
all all of the freedoms that are enshrined in our constitution,
and use that as the basis for us to be
able to have a dialogue, have a debate. Yes, we're
going to disagree on some things, but unless unless we
unite around this, this real patriotism, this real love of

(01:37:54):
country that we share, then we're never going to be
able to solve the challenges that face every single us
in this country, not just Democrats, not just Republicans. And
this is why I've spent my time in Congress now
for almost seven years, in building those relationships that with
people on both sides of the aisle, that that allow
us to be able to work together and to be

(01:38:16):
able to get things done. That's really, that's really what
it comes down to, get things done, to serve the
people we're talking to. Tulsa Gabert. You can follow her
on Twitter at t U L s I G A
B B A R D. I think I spelled that correctly.
It's always tough to do live spelling on the radio. There,
I nailed it. Um. And you what you just mentioned
you enlisted in the military. Uh, and I think a
young age like one or twenty two years old back

(01:38:37):
in two three or four, and you're now a major
and you served overseas as part of your service. What
did serving overseas mean to you? And what has joined
the military meant to you in terms of evolving maybe
some of your worldviews? Uh, it's completely changed my life,
you know, like for so many people across the country.

(01:39:01):
What happened the the al Qaeda attack on nine eleven
in New York was a pivotal moment in my life.
Um it was it was because of that that I
knew that I had to do something. I wanted to
do something to go after those who had attacked us
on that day we killed thousands and thousands of people.
So I was serving in the Hawaii State House at

(01:39:25):
the time. I enlisted in the Army National Guard, shifted
off to basic training in Port Jackson, South Carolina, and
came back and and our brigade combat Team from Hawaii
was activated for deployment to the Rock. I was very
surprised when I found out that my name was not
on that mandatory deployment roster of of nearly three thousand soldiers.

(01:39:48):
I called my commander right away and I said, Hey,
what's going on. My name is not on this list,
said Ana Telsa. You don't have to go. You get
to stay home. But I knew that there was there
was absolutely no way that I could stay back. And
watched my brothers and sisters march off to war, not
knowing what would happen or or which of them may

(01:40:09):
end up not making that trip home. So I left
my I was running for re election at that time.
I left my re election campaign and you know, left
my family and home and volunteered the deploy got trained
in the job that they needed filling, and served in
a medical unit in Iraq in two thousand five, about
forty miles north of Baghdad as during the height of

(01:40:30):
the conflict, and just saw firsthand the heavy, heavy casualties,
the high human cost of war. And that was, I mean,
the whole The deployment itself was such a pivotal turning
point for me, because you know, I got I got
angry when I saw politicians who would come, they would
fly into our company rock They would come in and

(01:40:52):
you know, pose for some pictures, shake some hands, thanks
some troops, and then getting their plane and take off,
and I just you know, I wondered how many of
them were actually losing sleep, how many of them were
kept up at night wondering and thinking about the people
who were most impacted by the decisions that they made
to go to this to start this war. That that
really cost us thousands of American lives, cost thousands of

(01:41:16):
countless I rocky lives, and really destroyed this country and
and it made our country less ate. It ended up
strengthening terrorist groups like ISIS and al Qaeda, and so
coming back from both of my deployment to the Middle East,
I knew that I needed to be in a position
not just where I was on the receiving end of

(01:41:36):
the decisions that were being made dealing with the consequences,
but I wanted to be in a position where I
could actually be a decision maker as it comes to
foreign policy, as it comes to making decisions about where
and when our troops are sent into harm's way, making
sure that when they are it serves the interests of
the American people and keeping them safe, fulfilling that mission

(01:41:57):
that we uh sign up for when we enlist in
the military. And uh, this is why I'm running for president.
We're talking to Tulsea Gaber, Democratic presidential candidate Hawaiian congressman. Um.
I'm curious, uh, as as you run through that you're
running for president. Next week is the second Democratic debate.
I love watching the debates. I think they're almost for

(01:42:18):
a lot of our audience. They're almost like sporting events
in and of themselves. You can sit and kind of
keep score. And I was fascinated watching the last debate.
You only got to talk for six and a half minutes,
and on your Twitter feed, you said, I feel like
MSNBC once Elizabeth Warren, I believe to be the nominee,
and in sports, being had having fair rules is integral

(01:42:41):
to any competition. You're effectively in a competition to be
elected the next president of the United States. I know
you wanted to talk more. Do you feel like the
debates are set up in a fair way? What did
you think about the way the first one went? Uh,
they're not. You know, I I wish that I had
had more time and are not comtunity to be able
to address a number of the different issues that that

(01:43:04):
are brought to the forefront. Uh, did not get the
chance to do that, and unfortunately it's it's it's not
a new situation to see a media bias play out
in our politics. That's something that that is wrong and
that that's we've got to confront as a country. Uh.
In this upcoming debate, UH, we're looking you know, they're
saying that they're going to enforce the rules a little

(01:43:26):
bit more tightly. We'll we'll see what actually ends up happening.
I look forward to being able to take advantage of
and maximizing every single minute that we have. I think
one of the challenges is you know, we're dealing with
really important issues, whether we're talking about question of whether
or not to go to war with Iran, which is
something that's happening right now, where we're talking about healthcare

(01:43:50):
or affordable housing or any of these issues that we're facing. Uh,
you know, all right, You've got sixty seconds, sixty seconds
to deal with some of the biggest problems a day.
So look, I'm getting ready and prepared and looking forward
to just having that opportunity to make the most of it.
I saw and I enjoy going through your Twitter feed
and trying to keep tabs on exactly what's going on. UM.

(01:44:12):
One of the biggest storylines that came out of the
first debate was Senator Harris's attack on Joe Biden surrounding
bussing you're around my age. I'm forty years old, you
are thirty eight years old. I think, if I'm not mistaken,
those are really kind of ancient debates for people who
are around our age and younger. Uh, did that seem

(01:44:32):
like a fair discussion to you? And it obviously took
up almost all of the oxygen that came out of
the first two nights of the debate. Uh No, it didn't.
But you know, I think, uh, I'll leave that battle
to Biden and Harris. I think one of the things
that I'm most concerned with is uh, Well, Kamala Harris

(01:44:53):
has not qualified the service commander in chief. And I
can say this from a personal perspective as a soldier.
She's got no background or experience in foreign policy, and
she lacks the temperament that is necessary for commander in chief.
You know, I've seen the cost of war firsthand. I've
experienced the consequences of what happens when we have presidents

(01:45:17):
as we have from both political parties and the White House,
who lack experience, who lack that foreign policy understanding, who
um therefore fall under the influence of the foreign policy
establishments of military industrial complex. This is what's so dangerous.
This is what we've seen occurring over time. If you

(01:45:37):
look at the wasteful regime change wars that have been
waged in countries like Iraq, Libya, Syria, there are so
many different examples. These are These are wasteful wars that
have strengthened terrorist groups like ISIS and al Qaeda, therefore
making the American people less safe they have cost us

(01:45:59):
dearly in American lives, our service members who have paid
the ultimate price, and those who have come home with
both visible and invisible wounds. And they've caused such devastation
and destruction in the countries where we've waged these wars.
This is why what what to speak of the trillions
of dollars that are coming out of our pockets to

(01:46:20):
pay for these wars, dollars that should be used and
redirected towards taking care of the needs of our people
right here at home in our communities. And this is
this is personal to me, as it is to so
many of those who have served with and um it's why,
it's why I am running for president, because I know

(01:46:40):
that I'll be ready with the experience that I have
serving as a soldier over sixteen years, deploying twice to
the Middle East, of working in Congress for almost seven
years now on the foreign affairs, the Armed Services, and
homeland securities. Can I'll be prepared on day one to
walk into the Oval Office and fulfill that most important
responsibility the president has, which is the service commander in chief.

(01:47:02):
We're talking to Tulsea Gabbert. You can follow her on
Twitter at Tulsea Gabbard. I just tweeted out the link
to her profile if you would like to to follow her.
Appreciate her joining us here on out kick Um. You
said you don't think Kamala Harris is qualified as commander
in chief. She also and this is something that I
think bothers me, and I'm curious if it bothers you. Uh,
this identity politics element where everybody is attacked. It seemed

(01:47:26):
to me watching that debate that she attacked Joe Biden
and tried to basically call him a racist, which is
obviously a charge that is very freighted with power in
our society today. Did you feel like that as well?
And sometimes is identity politics causing problems with Democrats in
terms of being able to appeal to everyone. You talked

(01:47:48):
about being able to reach across the aisle. That seems
to be something that alienates a lot of people. The
identity politics that we are seeing continue to be used
by people both parties and and really escalating is dangerous.
It's really dangerous because it's dividing our country. It's dividing people,
whether it's based on race or ethnicity, or religion, orientation

(01:48:13):
or all of these different things. Um, we see how
dangerous this is. And and you know, I've I've spent
a lot of time in the Middle East, for example,
where we see how these identity politics, these divisions often
lead to violence or conflict. You know, we we were
in Iraq for the first elections that were held after

(01:48:37):
Saddam Hussein was toppled, and you know, talking with some
of the folks there, they were focused on casting that
vote purely based on religious lines. You know, they had
Sunni politicians and Shia politicians, and they weren't looking at
anything else other than voting for someone in their own tribes.
It's not so different than some of the things that
we're seeing play out here in in our own politics,

(01:48:59):
where politicians are playing these identity politics cards, not because
they care about, um, the problems that folks are experiencing
in their lives and the challenges that they're facing, but
really purely just to say, hey, vote for me because
I'm this and we share this same label or those

(01:49:20):
guys with that label or the bad guys, and really
these are all political poison. It's it's such a disservice
to the American people. And again it it actually goes
against the principles and values that our country was founded upon.
You know, and I often look back to those words
in the in the Declaration of Independence that remind us,

(01:49:41):
you know, that we are all created equal with these
inalienable rights endowed upon us by our creator. And when
we are inspired by those words, then we can continue
to be inspired towards working towards that or perfect union,
making sure that we are upholding these values and principles

(01:50:03):
of freedom and equality for every single person in this country,
whether they look like us or not, you know, whether
they worship in the same way or not. What all
of these different things that make us unique and diverse
really are integral to who we are as a country.
We need to recognize our unity rather than using these
things to further divide and tear our country apart. Uh.

(01:50:25):
You went to Puerto Rico. Um, And I think that
was all well said by the way, uh. And a
big part of what I've read about the Yoloha spirit
is I read a great New York Times article about
how Hawaii has managed to overcome a lot of those differences.
What's going on in Puerto Rico? Why did it matter
to you? What's happening in Puerto Rico is about so

(01:50:46):
much more than the offensive chat leaked chat messages that
have really been featured in a lot of the news
stories that we've seen. What what what it's really about
is corruption in government and the act that you've got
people's hundreds of thousands of people from all across Puerto
Rico who gathered together just yesterday shutting down a major

(01:51:09):
highway doing so because of corruption. Because they've been struggling
and suffering under a deep seated corruption in their government
for a very long time. UH. These leaks chat messages
really just or the breaking point and and provided that
direct insight into how corrupt their their government is. And

(01:51:30):
so I felt it important to go there to stand
in solidarity with the people of Puerto Rico calling on
their governor to resign so that they can begin to
turn over this new leaf in in bringing about the
kind of change that we all want for them and
for our country where we have a government that is

(01:51:50):
truly of by and for the people, rather than the
government that really we have now, which is of by
and for the rich and powerful. UH. Having this good governance,
having these leaders in place who are truly accountable to
the people who are solely focused on that that mission
they are entrusted with by us as voters, to serve

(01:52:13):
the interests of the people. To serve the interests of
our country is what's most essential. Um I served that
when I was Interact. One of our sister units that
we worked with there was from the Puerto Rico Army
National Guard. And you know, some people often forget that
that they are our fellow Americans, and many of them
have served or are serving in the military. Many have

(01:52:35):
sacrificed for our country. They love our country. We need
to stand with them against this corruption that they're experiencing
in Puerto Rico, but also points of the bigger issue
within our country that we all need to stand together
and really bring to fruit the vision that our founders
had for us, where we truly do have a government
that is of, by and for the people. Tulsi gathered

(01:52:57):
outstanding stuff. I know. Aloha means hello and goodbye. Thank
you for joining us again. You can listen and go
follow her on Twitter as well. Appreciate you starting your
morning with us. That it's Tulsa Gaberd. We come back.
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(01:53:40):
pretty outstanding. I thought a lot of feedback rolling in
from you guys. She's running for president here and see
her next week in the in the Democratic debates. Um,
I can't even keep up with all of the comments
that you guys are making, but all of them are positive.
And again I'm not trying to pick sides or anything else. Uh.
Election is coming up. Uh you heard me. I start

(01:54:01):
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And so that if you have a favored candidate or
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that Tulca Gabbert interview was great, why isn't my guy
or my girl also coming on OutKick. We have an
open forum. I'm not saying no to anybody, and their credit,
Tulsa Gabbert in her campaign were the first people that
wanted to reach the OutKick audience. So I think it's
a smart move. Um. You know, I'm not gonna grill
people on, you know, particular policy issues, but I do
think you can get a better sense of somebody in

(01:54:44):
a twenty minute interview with us maybe than you can
in watching sometimes the local news or the national news,
which can be a little bit biased and often driven
by SoundBite culture as opposed to giving somebody uh an
actual time to speak. Like, like we said, it's interesting
watching the first Democratic residential debate, they each got uh
Like she got six and a half minutes to talk.

(01:55:05):
She just got eighteen to twenty with us. So you
learn more hearing her talk with us than you did
watching the debate. So anyway, open forum to everybody. I
appreciate all of you. I'll be playing the golf tournament tomorrow.
I'll be doing the show from Memphis. Should be a
lot of fun. We'll see whether or not. My goal
is to not kill any of the spectators, just like
it was the last time I played in the pro Am.
The w g C the p G A event going

(01:55:26):
on in Memphis tomorrow. I'll be doing the show from
down there. We should have a lot of fun. Appreciate
all the feedback from you guys. Uh and if you
enjoy the show shared as always, go check out that
Wins and Loss is two hour conversation with Kirk herb Street.
I think you guys are going to absolutely love it.
Thanks to John Morosey, Thanks to Tulsi Gabberd, Thanks to
our callers. Thanks for hanging out with us. We'll be back.

(01:55:46):
This has been the Tuesday edition out Kick the Coverage
Fox Sports Radio, rolling all day. I will see you
guys tomorrow. I hope you have fantastic days on our
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