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June 21, 2024 16 mins

Up On Game Presents Conversations With A Legend with LaVar Arrington hits another best of conversation with Takeo Spikes and Warren Sapp. First LaVar and Takeo discuss their intense playing styles and the impact they had on each other. They reminisce about a memorable encounter before a game and how it changed their pregame approach. They also talk about the importance of being a leader on the field and the strategies they use to intimidate opponents. Then the Warren Sapp conversation shifts to the crack back block and line skipping rules. They also touch on the perception of being mean on the field versus nice off the field.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Love Game.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It presents conversations with a legend, best of show.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
And now here's LeVar Arrington. Hello, everybody's LaVar Arrington hair.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yes, come into you lie with another exciting addition of
up on Game presents.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
That's your mama. No, I'm just joking. It's conversations with
a legend.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
And I got a legend whip me today, Boy do
I got a legend.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Whip me to day Chop Chop.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Some people call him t Ko, some people call him
iu Get, some people call him Ryu, some people say
street Fighter two. But you know, to the regular human
being out there, we call him mister to Kiyo Spikes.
Welcome into the show, my brother. How's everything going? How

(01:05):
you're feeling?

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:06):
From one back of to another? My dog, Everything is good.
Life is good here in the at. I'm finally glad
I got the call to be on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Come on, man, we've been waiting for this. I've been waiting.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Anytime I get a thumper like myself coming on the show.
It's always exciting for me because we just relate in
a different way.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
It's just a different manner for you, you know. And
speaking of legends and legends, community. I gotta jump into
the approach the idea because very few people that I've
come in contact with have ever been as intense, if
not more intense, than I am.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
And it's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
I remember a lasting memory and you might not even
remember it, but I remember a lasting memory.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
We were playing against.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Buffalo and before the game, well, y'all were going into
the locker room, I believe, and I saw you and
I was like, what's up, bro? And you looked at
me like you do know. I'm ready to rip your head,
smooth off your neck and your shoulders and keep walking

(02:24):
before your body hits the ground. And I had never
I had never been in a position because I'm that's
usually me.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Hey, bro, Hey, that was all of that frustration picked up.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
You going out there, you holding teams to fourteen fifteen points.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
You supposed to come out with the dumb right, And
so I recognized.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
I said, you know what, we always recognize each other
balling to a ball that that we brothers. Ye.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
I was so.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Pissed, Bro, I was big. I'm like, man, I'm trying
to get a dumb man.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Don't be trying to soften me up, right, Gotta watch
for the hook man.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
I just couldn't that that moment on you. That moment
on changed my pregame approach. I ice grilled everybody from
like ice grilled, grilled, like offensive dudes, like trying to
intimidate them. Used to like walking stair dudes down pre game.
But that made me start doing it to everybody. I
was like, man, Tekio Spikes just sunned me in Buffalo

(03:31):
in the Orchard party.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
I was like, man, that was fire, Like, threw me off.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
It totally, So you thought I was trying to throw
you off it totally threw me off. But I'm sitting
there like, yeah, I'm gonna do everybody the same exact
way from here on out. So I wasn't friends with nobody.
But if it was during the game, if it had
something to do with the game, I went, we went cool,
Like we just went cool. I changed it up from
that moment.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
This is the thing, though, this is that's what I do.
Remember when you.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
I think, I don't know if it was Josh Reed
or somebody was on the sideline and you was coming
over there and they saw you coming like probably fifteen
yards away and they went ahead and got down. And
so by the time you made it over there towards
the sideline. I was like, I was thinking in my head,
like I'm glad he did get damn because he was about.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Forget cappitate something.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
I didn't even say that.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
You walked over and you looked at me and said, TKO,
you better tell him I'm gonna take his.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Head and take that off im. Just like, hey, damn,
I was thinking it.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
I would have loved to have got it. I tried
to add as many heads as I could to my wall.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (04:45):
All right, crave, y'all.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Let's jump into the first hot take. You mentioned the threats.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
I did not threaten, and I'm glad I get an
opportunity after all these years to clear this up. I
would not threat and the original QB killer about anything.
What I merely did is something that I know you
would respect because I feel like we're cut from the
same cloth. Is that the same thing that you were

(05:14):
doing to guys? I was aware of it and where
I'd come from, you can't allow that to happen now.
I ain't gonna tell you that. When I said it,
it was like, what the hell am I doing? Like
that's Warren Sap I know that's Warren Sap. But if
I don't say this, like we were in the meeting
and I'm like sitting there and I'm like, do you

(05:35):
understand what the ultimate I'm gonna kick your ass and
y'all can't do nothing about it. What that first, that
first mental emotional attack would be, is Warren Sap coming
and skipping through your stretching line.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
I know you know it. I know you knew it.
I had to say it.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
You wouldn't respect me if I didn't come out and
I didn't say what a whole bunch of people wanted
to say and.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
Didn't do it. You want you wanna hear the best part?

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Tell me the best part.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
Then, when in DC, leaving Landover to go to the stadium,
you will never guess when the elevator opened on my
floor to go down, who's standing right there?

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Dan Snyder? No, Chris is worse.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
Chris Coffins wor You remember he was doing the game
and he was like, I gotta get there early. That's
gonna be a fight. No, I was, so I had
a left, I had a left be with you. I'm like,
a he just talking a while. I said some ship
like that, too when I was young for the come too.
That's not just what you gotta do. And he gonna
make a play if somebody, he gonna knock somebody out.

Speaker 6 (06:43):
So, I mean, it ain't like it ain't like his resume.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
Aint said. So I'm like, I'm gonna leave him alone.
Now I'm hot with Chris Collins work. You've been coming
to this stateium watching me do my thing. That's never
been a fight, and what need to fight? My brother
LaVar Aaron tip before the game.

Speaker 6 (07:00):
He's on defense. Defense unless they.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Tell you that tight end or fool back.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
Yeah, we should have to deal with corect It's this
just this, just this, just bam.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
But the whole thing.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
I was in your stadium. Now you come to Temple.
I was going to boy, you lucky. You wouldn't You're lucky,
I said, boy, he lucky.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
You know what I was like, I was lucky you
didn't do it. You know, no, I called it out.
I know, I know, I don't.

Speaker 6 (07:31):
I don't know what your stadium is.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
I told security.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
I told security, do not do not put me in
a position where I can't play. Hey don't, Hey, I
might look, but here's the thing. It's a team Sport.
I'm gonna just hold you for the camera. I'm gonna
for the camera. I'm gonna hug you up. I'm just
telling you right now for the camera. I'm gonna hug
one sap up now. And I hope I'm gonna hope

(07:59):
that everybody breaks us up.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
I just was on my way to work. I don't
know what it is.

Speaker 5 (08:04):
I don't know what the little fact nose tapper who
came wrong from Pittsburgh was chasing me.

Speaker 6 (08:08):
Fuck gonna catch me.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
I'm chasing.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
I was on my way to work down I'm skipping
on my way to work with The bad part about
it was Tony Dungee was with me all of years,
six years that I was doing this in telfor He
knew and he laid his Indianapolis pokes out there on
the field and I.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Thought he was coming through. Warren sat the stretch line, skipper.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
There's a rule against that. Now, there's two rules against me.
You can't you can't go hurt nobody up on the
crack back. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Jump on that now. We're gonna jump on that too.
Second rule is you can't.

Speaker 6 (08:49):
Get stretch thing. You gotta you gotta go around people.

Speaker 5 (08:52):
I'm like, I'm never I told him, I said, draw
me a route to work, because ain't no way. I'm
going long way. I'm going straight, straight through the fastest
distance between any two points a line, straight line. Got
four quarters of hell. The two people trying to hold
me down. But I ain't wasting no steps just to
warm up.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
All I know is for the record, I was happy
is hell that you didn't go.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
It was a win.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
It was a pregame win, and make no mistake about it.
That was before everything went bad in Washington for me.
I was still a captain. I was still a leader.
I went in that locker room and I was like, shop,
ain't coming through our stretch line.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
We're gonna win this game.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Ya, We're gonna win this game, y'all got get your
minds right, y'all think I got sat.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
You know, I think we lost.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
I think we lost, though, But that's what I'm supposed
to do as a leader of the team. Step forward,
get the heat and let it deflect off.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
You call.

Speaker 6 (09:48):
Some people can't take that.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
They can't take that pressure.

Speaker 6 (09:51):
That hen melt him down to a little nugget.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, yeah, all right now, let's talk about the crackback block,
because to me, that's one we didn't been cracked back on.
We've been chopped, we've been high loaded, we've been grabbed.
I know you are grabbed by multiple people every single play,
like worthy of people getting arrested and putting cars. You've

(10:15):
been grabbed on so bad and throwing games. But then
the tide turns. You guys were turnover artists. Y'all forced
the pressure, the ball comes out. Guys are benefiting from it,
none more than my man five to five himself, mister Nichols,
the original, the og Ogs, and and Dee Brooksy y'all
getting y'all getting picks all year long. And Chad Clifton

(10:38):
happened to be the recipient.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
He was loafing because when I when I took off
for Fall, Fall took off left me. So I look
back and he over there loafing but just so happy
by rule. You know, the old Liona got some stupid ass,
you know, fires up on the wall, and you know
the biggest one is not being in the framework after

(11:04):
the interception that's like fifteen to three thousand dollars.

Speaker 6 (11:08):
They really make that a stupid frind. You gotta run.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
You gotta be in the frame when when the ball
is over, you got to be in the frame of it.
If you ain't, you know that frame is why that's.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
A wide shot. That's gon have to be that close
about the valuable lesson that night.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
So I turned around and here full of getting up,
try to get the frame and I got told so boom,
good night. I can't help. They design Raymond James Stadium.
They was trying to develop that crown that used to
be in the old sombrero, and they made it hard.

(11:45):
I found it out chasing the quarterback Chicago Dad died
to throw for a seat. But that's try to hit
my dell on that ground. All the f came out.
They're like, what's myself? Oh, I said, come back, I
took I took one playoff. I went back there. Brooke said. Now,

(12:05):
I said, my god, that ground hard. He said, oh,
you just not found out. I said, son, usually when
I'm going to the ground, there's somebody underneath me, right right,
I don't be diving to the ground. I found out
the Kurt, Oh my god, that feels was hard. So
he hit the ground in the ground towards hip hop.

(12:26):
But He came back the next year after getting the
forty two million dollar time track. He lined up with
that man, I say you're good, he said, I'm good.

Speaker 6 (12:33):
So we slept. Man, I don't even face path.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
A lot of people like I just had an interview
with with with Greg Lloyd, like one of I like
bad mother efforts, like that's my thing, Like I've always
loved dudes that I had nasty dispositions and one of.

Speaker 5 (12:54):
The things the afternoon in game Day, that's correct. I
don't need a nasty DISSI in the locker room money
too said that don't do nobody no good. When Jackson
and you got to put something on the table and
see who eat the most, let's.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Go you on that you are on that list of
people that are are perceived as mean as.

Speaker 6 (13:17):
F like just.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
But you, but I got this for you, Labar, the
one who has the meanest name of all time mean
Joe Green is the nicest dude you can So.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
That's what I want to touch on this because this
is something that that a lot of people may not
know because they don't get the opportunity to interact with
guys that they watch play and different things like that.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
You a nice dude like you're you're.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
A personable dude, and I feel like, for what it
is worth, it should be noted and it should be
stated that just because you were what you were as
a player, and that's what it's supposed to if all.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
I got to.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
Come on because for thirteen years in the National Football League,
when I was moving and roaming around, if you didn't say,
excuse me, mister shop man, please get an autograph? You
didn't give that'll give me this, give me that, give
me got choke mess around the color folks, please beyond
with that. If you ain't got no home training, I
hate to bother you. If you hate asparagus, do you
walk in the restaurant or the plays?

Speaker 3 (14:28):
You know what I'm saying, right.

Speaker 5 (14:30):
I just it's like people didn't didn't know how to
to have a conversation with you, so I just gave
what I got. If you was nice about it, I
took a picture with you. Excuse me, the shopping man,
please get a picture. Shit, it was shocking to hear
excuse me, please, And in may I you see what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Just one more, just one more, just one more? You
know what I say? Hey, Hey, just one more.

Speaker 5 (14:55):
This was mine, picky. You get the pick, and it
can't to you because you just got one. You know,
I went. I went with one for customer. When they
one more, pick the one I want you to pick.
I'm not gonna pick it.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
It's the best one ever, mister Sad.

Speaker 6 (15:12):
But mister Sad, just one.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
More, just one more, I used to telling, since you
telling which one more.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Then you get it one person other than yourself.

Speaker 6 (15:22):
You get the picking and the ku dog I stopped.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
I never understood that, Like, why if you're gonna ask
for autograph, how are you gonna speak for everybody else so.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
They have to give you that one day that everybody
had to sign the trading right, that was my one route.
Do not yell my name, and do not yell one more. Oh,
I'm leaving right now. Just sit down and shut up
all out like this. I'm gonna I'm gonna do my damnage,
but there's no way I'm gonna satisfy everybody. So you
might want to get back your ass and get glad

(15:56):
because I'm not caring when I'm walking out of here
in ten minutes. So keep it quiet and I'm doing
a lot fast We'll go a lot fast. Trust me
a bit at this
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