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January 6, 2025 41 mins

C&R are in for the REAL start of the New Year! The guys enjoy a conversation about patience (Mayo in NE) & golden NFL opportunities! They talk Ben Johnson & Mike McCarthy and take calls from across the country. 'THINGS THAT MAKE YOU Go HMM' takes you around Week 18, at the incentives & more. Plus, was the Lions victory over the Vikings not as lopsided as it may seem?

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, thanks for listening to the Coveno and Rich podcast.
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(00:22):
in action. Back in action officially. Yeah right, So I
hope you took your decorations down over the weekend. Hope
you got to relax a little bit, watch some foodsball,
maybe catch up on Squid Game two. But yeah, we're
back in action today. Kids are back to school, you're
back to work, and it's good to be back here
on Fox Radio, Covino and Rich. Even though we were

(00:44):
here just in for Colin gonna say last week, let's
be honest, was anyone really working I was. I mean,
you were here, but I'm saying, like today, your kids
are back in school. You probably took down the Christmas tree.
It's January, deal with it, all right. So CNR on
FSR eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox, and we
be rocking out. Let's go lots to get to today.

(01:07):
We got some shacked Diesel Whack Diesel NBA trivia prizes
to give away. We're gonna talk some foosball, talking about
taking opportunities. Has your mind changed on certain teams after
this weekend? And we got to kick it off like
we always do with things that make you go hmmm.

(01:27):
But any observations, Rich, Yeah, before they go and get
to all that, I just feel like, as they call
it black Monday, after the NFL season, coaches get fired.
It's inevitable every year the carousel of coaches continues to
keep rolling along. And I just thought about it. You know,

(01:49):
there was something Gronk said about Mayo and the Patriots.
Take a listen to this. This is this is a
little set up to what I'm thinking. Ad Gronk Mayo
out after one season as the Patriots head coach.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
I was shocked by that, and that happened that soon
was a shocker to a lot of people, especially here
at the desk. We were all surprised by that. I
think it was unfair to coach Gerd Mayo. I mean,
he had never had the chance to develop as a
head coach. He was just a rookie himself in that department.

(02:24):
And if you judge a coach by their first year.
That's really not appropriate. I mean, Jamie Johnson, you went
one in fifteen your first year, and then you want
a couple Super Bowls after that. I mean, he really, Hey,
we gotta go to break.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
I mean, I're gonna.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Keep talking about that much.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Stop your rambling, Gronk. I'm by the way, I'm shocked
that Gronk didn't giggle when he said shocker anyway, is
coaching the same liability now as a rookie quarterback that
gets drafted to the wrong team. Yeah, because of the
impatience of everyone in general, in society and cultural issue.
It's not even a football issue. It's just an impatience

(03:07):
that we have an expectation to deliver now. Whin now
want things now, even like waiting rooms. It's I'm not
going to get into a Seinfeld bit, you know, like
we wants a deal. I mean, it's why we have
the room. Nobody wants to wait around young people, old people.
I thought it used to be old people who were impatient,

(03:29):
Like my dad when he walks into a barber shop,
Hey Dad, why didn't you get a haircut? Yeah? And
they see it had a weight, so I went home
my dad. Like, but even young people when you're you
ever see your kids watching a cartoon. If it doesn't
kick in right away, they're tuned now. Nobody wants to wait,
especially when you're paying millions of dollars for football and

(03:50):
to win. Now. They don't got time for May'll figure
it out. As Ronnie Chenn the comedian doesn't do the
bit Amazon now Prime now like if they could, people
would want Prime now, like next day is not enough,
Like you would think, oh wow, I ordered something and
it's gonna be a my doorstep tomorrow. We've talked about
this many times, with quarterback development, with artist development, record deals,

(04:12):
music artists, comedians, comedians. There's no grace period in life,
let alone football, especially like I said, when there's expectations,
championships and millions of dollars on the line. So with
all that said, with Gronk sticking up for his old pal,
no one's waiting around for results. I mean, not a

(04:32):
great season in New England. But again his first year,
you could say Dan Campbell his first year for the
Lions were three and thirteen. He was trying to start
a culture. The next year they're over five hundred and
then the last two years they've been fantastic. So there's
more stir in the kool aid than meets the I
But I'm with you. You got to give people some

(04:52):
time to figure it out. But in a world Covino
where patience is just clearly not there, music, comedy, sports,
any life in general. A big complaint by the youngest
generation is that they started a job like a couple
months in though I could get a raise, Like, they

(05:13):
don't even realize the idea of like putting in your
your hours and paying your dues. So I said, it
used to be old people that was synonymous with being impatient.
But I tried watching Mary Poppins with my niece and
nephew and old movies and old school cartoons. It starts
with the credits. If you guys realize what I'm talking about, right,

(05:33):
you were trying to watch an old movie with with
kids today They're like, why are there credits in the
beginning of the movie because they want the action. Nah,
you thought your niece and nephew were gonna be all
about chim chimney, chim chim What is this. I'm like,
it's the credits. They're like, yeah, Well, this is boring.

(05:54):
They want they want the fun right then and there.
They don't have time to wait. Nobody does, especially the Patriots, dude,
especially when Patriots fans have an expectation, you know, when
the Craft family has an expectation. The controversy became, though,
with the Gronk thing, is hey, man, for the first time,
he's making a good point and you cut him off.

(06:15):
The controversy was like, hey, was he about to say
some bad stuff about the Craft family and that's why
they cut it. I think Gronk just didn't realize that
we were going to commercial But I agree. But if
you read social media, the whole conspiracy, you know, social
media takes on a life of itself. The whole spin
on it was they were trying to stop him from
really speaking his mind on the truth, like how unfair

(06:38):
it really was. But I really do think that they
they probably gave him some extra time and he stomped
over the queue. Listen, dude, we don't need to, you know,
beat a dead horse with the sentiment that society is impatient.
But the question I want to ask everybody is, because
you know how impatient people are, you know that a

(07:02):
band they put out one good song. You better give
me another hit in a month. A comedian does an
hour long comedy special that took them years to craft.
If it's a hit, Netflix or HBO or Hulu's telling them, yo,
can you pop out another hour special in six months?
Impatience is a major issue in society. In fact, one

(07:23):
of my favorite quotes, and I'll be honest with you,
but it makes sense that the NFL is not a
shouldn't be like a learning ground, do you know what
I mean? I agree, but I mean one of my
favorite quotes. And I can't say that I have. But
he or she who masters patience could master anything, because
it is very hard to be patient. No one is.

(07:44):
But with that said, if you're Ben Johnson, offensive coordinator
of the Lions, or you're some hot candidate for a
coaching position in any sport, or for that matter, if
you are this year's virgin of Caleb William and you
know you're the top pick, and you know you are

(08:05):
very well going to be judged so quickly do you
look back at guys like Eli Manning and John Elway
that said no, I'm not playing there and think a
little differently? Now, Well, those are people who knew their value. Right.
Not everybody is John Elway in Peyton Manning. You don't
think Caleb Williams is saying like, well, I mean if

(08:27):
I had the coaching that Jaden Daniels had, and if I,
you know, a year ago, she j Stroud had a
better opportunity. Like I am one who says you gotta
believe in yourself and take your opportunities as they come.
Not everybody's elite in that way. It depends on who
you are, what your values are. I think you got

(08:48):
to take your opportunities. That's especially you think there's this
many slots and spots in football. I believe Howard Stern
said it like in radio, Right, we work in radio.
He said, there's less opportunity in radio there are in
professional sports. You got to take the opportunities when they're given. Yeah,
but if not everybody gets to call that shot. Yeah,

(09:08):
but if you take a trash opportunity, you're setting yourself up. Yeah,
you're setting yourself up to be like, that was my chance,
and that's what I did. For instance, if you're Ben Johnson,
who's like the hottest thing right now, there's like multiple
teams that are like, look, what he do with the
Lions offense with him and Dan Quinn. Like I thought
Bargestsie was the hottest thing going to Ny BARGESTSI maybe

(09:29):
what how much last year? Eighty million dollars the highest
paid comedian of twenty twenty four with his new Netflix special.
You look at what Dan Campbell and Ben Johnson did.
I thought Nikki Glazer was the hottest thing right now
she is, But you look at what the Lions coaching
staff did in the last couple of years and turns
around that franchise. Yeah, if you're Ben Johnson, who's getting

(09:49):
praised Giants, Bears, Patriots, everyone wants to interview this guy.
And from what I understand, Danny G would you believe
that Ben Johnson makes like head coach money spot? Can
you double check this for me? I think I saw
Ben Johnson makes about five MILLI year as an offensive coordinator.

(10:12):
And if that's the accurate numbers, then why on earth
would this guy go to New England and be like, yeah,
I'm I'm gonna, yeah, I'm gonna take on this uphill battle.
Don't you want to wait for just the right opportunity, like, oh,
you got the quarterback? I know I could work with

(10:35):
you're rolling out the red carpet, or do you think
any coordinator question because that opportunity may never come again,
you know, and then there's so many factors involved. I
get what you're saying. Do you wait for the perfect
opportunity or do you just take your chance in believing
yourself over the last believe in themselves to the point
where if the money's right and the situation's right, they

(10:59):
believe in themselves enough to make it right when they
get there. Coh. But what you've seen happen with Sam
Darnold and Baker Mayfield, and what you've seen with Caleb Williams,
and you know, people not living up to the expectation,
maybe Trevor Lawrence, certain guys. Would you, especially in a
time where college athletes already making money with nil? Now,
is there a part of you that's like that might

(11:20):
be the changer right now? I don't need the money
right now. I'll wait it out, you know what I'm saying. Like,
if you're a star and they're like, yeah, you're gonna
go to like an organization, I mean, I hate to
pick on them, but the Jets Aaron Rodgers couldn't go
there and make anything happen. If you're a young stud
quarterback in college football and they're like, you know, you're
likely going to go to the Jets, do you say, no,

(11:41):
I'm not because I'm only going to fail, which is
a terrible outlook. But yeah, that's the chance and risk
you're taking. Again, if you have that type of power
and that star power and you're one of the few
in the world that gets to call that shot, then yes,
I think you take advantage of that, of that opportunity.

(12:03):
What does Eli Manning have to What does have two
of Super Bowl? What does John Elway have two of
Super Bowls? And these are guys that arguably work what
pains in the asses when they were a twenty something
year old kid coming out of college. I don't want
to play for the Colts. I don't want to play
for the Chargers. They they were looked at as like
a little problemaic. What was this guy doing? Looking back now?

(12:24):
Is hindsight like no, they just they just knew you
end up in certain places. It's a death center. Again,
I hate to give you two answers, but both could
be true here. I think if you are in that
position to make that call. You take advantage of it
because you know your value. You're confident in that, and
you will end up somewhere else but in life and

(12:45):
for other people, you know, any opportunity is a big opportunity.
They don't have the luxury of calling that shot. You
got to take that opportunity anyone. So it just depends
who you are. But you gotta know your value. You
got to you gotta be certain who you are, what
you're capable of come. If you don't think anyone over
the I mean you can list what was the old joke,

(13:06):
he could list like twenty names on the back of
a jersey. You don't think any of those quarterbacks of
the Cleveland Browns over the last decades, like I'll be
the guy. I'm confident enough that I'll be the guy
that takes his team to like playoff glory. Baker Mayfield
was one guy that you know got anywhere and they
can let him go. He changed the culture. He was
doing a good job. He was confident enough. But I mean,

(13:26):
like there are teams and I'm just saying moving forward
because our impatience won't allow it. Jimmy Johnson to go
one and fifteen then I could say, you think Steph
Curry wanted to play for the Golden State Warriors or
was he dope enough to make the actual change. I
get what you're saying, But then he becomes the face
of the franchise. Like there's risk and there's reward in

(13:48):
the risk. Yeah. To me, it's just you see some
of these coaching and quarterback opportunities and vacancies, and you're like, man,
you'd have to be pretty confident yourself. Fox Sports Radio Nation.
What Rich is getting at is when you're hot like Hansel,
and you're hot right now like Ben Johnson, and you're
making a good living, you're making head coaching money as

(14:10):
an offensive coordinator for the Lions. Do you jump at
any head coaching opportunity when it's available because the goal
really is to what become a head coach in the
National Football League? Or do you wait until that perfect
opportunity is there? And here's the risk. Sometimes that perfect
opportunity never comes, and sometimes one would say there's no

(14:32):
such thing as a perfect opportunity. Say the same about dating.
You make it the best, exactly the best you can.
I don't know if I want to marry, well, you know,
it's not perfect for me. Right, there's no such thing
as a perfect person for you. You take someone that's
that's that loves you enough and that you care about enough,
and you make it work and you do your best,
you know. And that's exactly when we discussed rich Here's

(14:53):
what I wrote. You know what you wrote? It is
I can't even write what I wrote. Sorry, guys. You
take opportunities when they're given and do your best with them. See,
I think that that is well, you might argue that's
good advice. I feel like taking an opportunity just because

(15:14):
it's there is old school thinking like, hey, man, put
your head down and work hard and you'll get there.
I think now as a player, but you will. I
believe in that. I believe in that. Not everybody is
Caleb Williams. He's a great example because maybe he did
the wrong thing. Not everybody is him, right, not everybody.
I think he had the potential to call shit. We

(15:35):
said it the other day, buddy, we said it. How
when you see Sam Darnold in that meme of him
in Baker Mayfield when they were on the Panthers and they
look sad and now it's like, look at them this year,
both playoff quarterbacks. I mean, those are two success stories.
But what about a guy like Daniel Jones or Justin Fields.
They made money, but they may never really get the opportunity.

(15:58):
So you're not automatic. Fox Sports Radio Nation the number
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in at Covino and Rich on social media. If you
were in a position like a Ben Johnson, do you
take the opportunity when it's given or do you wait

(16:19):
for the perfect situation? And you know another angle, like,
look at it again him, it's it's case by case him.
I think he has the luxury to wait. He has money,
He's on a winning franchise already. There's no need to
make some sort of desperate jump to be a head coach. Now.
I I don't know if you'll roll with this example,

(16:39):
but I remember you and I were working at ESPN
at the time. Yeah, And I remember sitting in the
newsroom with you when they came up with the draft
order in the NBA and the world was like, yo,
if Zion went to New York, he could totally be
the face of basketball in the biggest market. The Knicks

(17:02):
need a guy that could be the start of something
when the Pelicans got him and you're like, yeah, what's
gonna happen with what happened with Anthony Davis where he
plays there a couple of years and he's like, yeah,
I'm not winning here, I'll leave. And look, I mean
as Zion lived up to any of what we thought. Yeah,
he has good moments here and there, but no, like
situation matters. No one could deny that. But that might

(17:25):
have been one of the most disappointing scenarios, Like oh really,
but I always looked at that as part of the
luck of the drama, and then you sort of try
to create your own destiny from there. But Rich is right,
there is a different way of thinking for some people's.
That's really what I gotta emphasize in parentheses for some people.

(17:47):
Are you look at an old school or new school?
Is it old? I'm gonna say, I'm gonna categorize old
school thinking as you know what, I'm gonna take the
opportunity to put my head down to work hard. New
school thinking is yeah, no matter how hard I work,
unless I set myself up for success, people won't have
patience and I may get the raw deal. How do
you think should like a Shudur Sanders would be received

(18:07):
if he was like, yo, I'm playing for the week
ass team. If should Norse? He say no, Man, I
can go there and change the culture around and there's
more reward in that risk. Like like we said, the
question is what do you do and how do you
handle it? And what are your thoughts on it? We'll
take your feedback. Next, let's get to the phones. Let's
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Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, Covino, and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. If you
missed our Friday show. Had a lot of fun filling
in for Colin on the Herd. Check that on the podcast.
It's going to be back back to normal. I hope
you had a great weekend. Hope you had a Geno
Smith Mike Evans sort of weekend, Jamar Chase. How lucky

(20:35):
Mike Evans is the circumstances in which the Bucks score
that touchdown, get the ball back, and are able to say,
all right, let's run a quick play to get this
done for him. You think they did the right thing
though risking it, Yes, slightly risking it. I mean for

(20:56):
the morale it brought the team, I would say, and
the money you put in his pocket, I would say, yes,
Speculating Mike Evans is one of those guys that means
a lot to the Tampa Bay community. He's a Buck.
Throw them through. They made the playoffs. You what are
you really jeopardizing a fumble return for a touchdown, a

(21:16):
two point conversion, send it to overtime? Like I think
it was a safe enough scenario to try to get
this guy five yards, But it had to be Coveno
like I was saying. It had to be so perfect
where the Saints got the ball back. Yet you know,
turn the ball over on downs and they got the
ball back. I thought it was I thought it was
pretty cool. I hope you had a Lions sort of weekend.
And I mentioned Jamar Chase because he got that triple crown.

(21:39):
Even though the season seems a little wasted, but we
did see a lot of milestones, a lot of incentives met,
and we saw some exciting football. We have to acknowledge
that we did not expect that. Then you know what
all those milestones we talk of and the incentives last
week we went through the list. We went through it.
But you know, weekend definitely surprised me, meaning the games

(22:00):
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get into things that made you go HM Week eighteen,
It's about opportunity and whether or not you're set up
to succeed, and it's case by case. Some people have

(23:26):
no choice but to take the opportunity. Sometimes the money
some people have the luxury to wait. Sometimes the money
could lure you into the wrong opportunity. Hey, rich and
I let's just say, in our professional career along the way,
took opportunities where they came. We knew that we were
not set up to succeed. Looking back, I'm still glad

(23:47):
I learned from that experience. That's the truth, because I
do believe if you are talented, didn't it didn't. Randy
Pofo say the cream rises to the top, you know,
and you do work. Call hold him Randy Puff. It
might not happen there, but it will happen eventually. Man,
And I do believe. So you're downplaying that hard work

(24:07):
doesn't pay off. Call me old school. I still believe.
And I'm not just saying this to sound righteous. Yeah,
you do sound right, and taught this since I was
a little kid. Man, You put your head down, you
work hard, good things hurten. That's not like fools say
all right, all right man, you think everybody's uh, if
everybody's John l Way, then let's see it. Let's see

(24:29):
what happens when people say, all right, well them beat it.
No one wants a hotshot from the get goun. I'm
saying my point is simple, just because you're good, if
you enter a bad scenario, it can make a super
talented person look like trash, and then that might be
your only opportunity. And we bring up Ben Johnson just

(24:49):
as a fun example, because right now, no one's hotter
than him in Detroit. The offensive schemes he's got going on,
they're scoring points left and right. Detroit Berrol didn't make
the playoffs. Is anyone saying it's Joe Burrow's fault. He's
still the man. He also made a Super Bowl, And
I'm saying, you still have a way. Not everyone's playing
professional sports. Is this a question in life or a
question in professional sports? There's still a way where Hey,

(25:12):
if you're doing your part and you're doing your thing,
you got to take those opportunities where they're given and
do your best. Let's go to your phone calls. Let's
go to what's Sartain Bakersfield. They say, what's up to Andrew?
What's up? Andrew?

Speaker 5 (25:24):
What up?

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Andrew?

Speaker 6 (25:25):
Hey, what's up? Guys? Just have to tell you. I
was in and out of the house and I have
a radio in the garage, came in, heard your guys
voice and was I was like, yes, totally awesome. You're
talking about Black Monday. So that was a good thing.
Excited or glad to hear you guys love it? Thank you, Okay.
So I just think it's about timing and whether or

(25:46):
not Ben Johnson like wants to be a head coach,
for example, It always bothered me like when Roy Williams
went from Kansas to North Carolina. Just because it's more
money or at or place, does it mean it's the
best decision. And it kind of bothered me when Calen
Debor went from Washington to Alabama.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Listen, sometimes you're chasing the money and you can't blame
someone if the money's huge, right, Like you could say
that about coaches m players, like you could say Robbie
Cano sort of sidetracked his Hall of Fame possible career
by going to Seattle instead of staying on the yanking
or sometimes remember in the movie LaBamba, when Joey Pants
says what's more important the music or the money? Richie

(26:32):
Valen says, my family. You know, you don't know what
motivates people, and you could simplify it rich With. Decisions
are not easy to make sometimes just so many things
to factor. Sometimes you have to take that opportunity though,
I'll make the best of it. Let's say, what's up
to Taylor in Illinois? What's up Taylor?

Speaker 5 (26:50):
Hey, how're we going?

Speaker 1 (26:51):
What's up? Bud?

Speaker 5 (26:53):
I was just calling about how you say we gotta
you only get a good opportunity once in a while,
you know how coach they get fired for read that's dysfunction,
you know. So there's good opportunities in the NFL, would
be a good head head coach comes well, doesn't really
come around there.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
That's what I was saying. There's so few opportunities. There's
there's thirty two teams, which means there's thirty two jobs.
And think of how many good coaches or tenured coaches
there are. So every year you know there's going to
be a couple, but you're going up against, by the way,
every other potential coordinator coach. Fireworks show started. Dan Bayer
said that the Bears asked if they could speak to

(27:33):
Mike McCarthy about the head coaching gig. So you know
there are opportunities opening in other places, but does that
does that make the Cowboys feel like, oh, someone else
wants them? Like you know when you you know when
you are dating someone and and other people are interested
in them, gonna make them hotter. No, Dan said that
Mike McCarthy hotter Now to the dance cowboys, like your

(27:53):
buddy breaks up with his girl, might be breaking up
with his girlfriend and then you asking him like, hey,
are you okay? Five dator, It's kind of like it's
kind like that a little bit. But opportunities are few
and far between. They're there, but they're few and far between,
so sometimes you have no choice but to take them
and make the best of it. Pete, what's up?

Speaker 5 (28:14):
Pete?

Speaker 1 (28:14):
And Penn? You're on with C and R.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
Hey, buddy, Okay, So.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
First off, we have to understand just because you're an
amazing offensive or defensive coordinator doesn't mean you're a head coach.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Facts.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
You're right, okay, you guys. You guys are such a
great example of that. One of you is very specific,
very well spoken. You can do all the reads of
the advertisers that want it to be crisp and clear,
and one of you is a guy that would be like,
you know what the advertiser wants it to be? A hey,

(28:49):
you know what, we're really cool place. That's who should
do it. A good boss, a good head coach knows
how to manipulate every everybody into a positive situation. An
offensive coordinator, offensive coordinates, a defensive coordinator, defensive coordinates. Who

(29:10):
are the longest guys coaching? Read horball and my brain
always forgets names?

Speaker 1 (29:19):
In Pittsburgh My Tom Tomlin?

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah right, okay, okay, how many of them were coordinators?

Speaker 1 (29:27):
No, you're right, you're right. And by the way, the
whole time, I'm thinking, who does he thinks the bozo you?
And who does he think is the well spoken one me?
Which is crazy? Are you should be embarrassed? Yeah? That
you think that, and that's your problem, he said. The
other one's cool though, Oh really, no no, no, no,
So I'm I'm the cool one and you're the one's

(29:48):
a hipster and one's a pros. I mean, he's got
it all backwards. I could have said it like this.
Just because we're good radio hosts doesn't mean we could
do play by play, Yeah right, Like they're completely different skills.
Just because we're on the mic doesn't mean we could
do that. And believe me, we tried just for fun.
Totally different. So being a head coach, and you know,
it's a totally different gigs.

Speaker 7 (30:09):
There's plenty of drive time DJs who have tried to
turn into the program director of a radio station.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, doesn't translate that in our world. That's a great example.
And if you want to stick to like the radio
broadcasting world, there have been plenty of like I guess
you would say, like old school DJs, like the guy
they were talking between the songs, got an opportunity to
do the morning show. And this guy couldn't talk for
more than twenty seconds at a time, like his specialty was,
like he could talk for twenty seconds and be clever
in between songs, but crack the mic for more than that.

(30:37):
He's like a deer in headlights. Yeah, so you never
know appreciate the call man eight seven to seven ninety nine,
Oh Fox. Do you take the opportunity when it's given
or do you wait for the perfect opportunity. It's an
interesting thing. You wait for the perfect opportunity. You brought
up to relationships before. Rich sit there, you know, empty handed,
waiting all day? Not empty handed? Did you be by yourself?

(31:02):
Andy Rhode Islands, Well, I was trying to keep it clean. Yeah,
what's up, buddy.

Speaker 8 (31:09):
I think that Ben Johnson may just be eyeing out
Mike McCarthy. These contracts, seeing that Jerry Jones is not
even off from him an extension, and that might be
a juicy pick for him because not only is that
team already you know, kind of established, but say, if
things don't work out with Dak, Prescott needs to say
that he doesn't want to groom trade Land a young

(31:32):
and upcoming, possibly good quarterback if that could be groomed
into a system that he can possibly make his own.
So I think that, you know, guys, a looming for
Ben Johnson. I don't appreciate the backhand, the comments from
back from the last caller. You can't call the great
Richard Casino buzozos.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
I don't like that.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
But one of us, you know, let's go to Dan
Buyer for an update. And and Dan, before he gives the update,
who do you think he was referring to as the boson?
You know, I'm a Cavino guy, and I liked all
of Dan Byer's post on TikTok over the weekend.

Speaker 7 (32:08):
I'm jack grabbed, I screen grabbed, liked by Steve Cavino.
I did as well, all right, guys, I did like
the first call of that was like, gosh, thank guys,
God you guys are back because I was in for
you guys for like half of last week.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, you know, so it's just good.

Speaker 7 (32:24):
Yeah, thank goodness, you guys are back, and not that
idiot that was talking about people hating their jobs on Friday.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Well, thanks for holding down the pin. You're welcome.

Speaker 7 (32:33):
And again, I know Covino got the Tingley's when he
heard that, Like, thanks so much, appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Trying to hide my smile here that I'm back.

Speaker 7 (32:40):
In the fold.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
What tipped you off when I raised the roof?

Speaker 9 (32:43):
Yeah, yes, because bozos don't do that all. The Jacksonville
Jaguars fired head coach Doug Peterson today after three seasons,
including a four and thirteen mark in twenty twenty four.
They kept general manager Trent balk The reason why I don't.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Want to throw the baby out for the bathwater.

Speaker 6 (33:01):
Okay, we have a lot of things that are working
that can.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Always be improved and will improve.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
And there are other things that are not working that
need to be fixed.

Speaker 7 (33:13):
Giants confirmed ED coach Brian Dable and GM Joe Shane
will return next season. Colts are keeping ED coach Shean
Steichen and GM Chris Ballad you alluded to the report earlier,
ESPN says the Bears have asked the Cowboys for permission
to speak with that coach Mike McCarthy. McCarthy has a
week left on his contract, so the Cowboys put in
a little pinch or at least trying to fast forward
their decision of the Chicago Bears. We're expected to also

(33:35):
talk with a bunch of other people, including Brian Flores,
Todd Monkin, and Arthur Smith. Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurt still
in concussion protocol. Packers wide receiver Christian Watson suffered a
twenty ACL along with other damage he has done for
the season. Brown GM Andrew Berry said quarterback Deshaun Watson
had a setback in his recovery from a torn achilles.
No word if that will affect Watson's status for twenty

(33:56):
twenty five. Maps guard Kyrie Irving out one to two
weeks dealing with a back issue.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Guys, back to you, thanks to be by the way,
Do you think that changes anything for Dallas? Like the
interest from the Bears is it almost like it's almost
like if you I hate to always make it about dating,
but if the girl you're thinking about letting down has
another dude lined up, you might see his year, you know.
If it doesn't, it also force them to maybe say
something sooner than they wanted to.

Speaker 7 (34:19):
That was my thought, And as I told Kevino, it's
like the Cowboys right now don't know if they're going
to keep McCarthy. We think they are, but they have
a week to figure out a new deal for him.
So it's kind of like, all right, are you're going
to keep him or not? So the Bears kind of
forcing the issue, forcing the Cowboys hand here.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, because if the Cowboys say, yeah, you could talk
to him, then that totally implies that they're open to negotiating, right,
you're letting them go. I like the move. Thank you
dB for the update, But thanks guys Wilson. We have
more Covino and Rich coming up next. In fact, we're
gonna talk about all the things that made us go hmm.
Week eighteen of the NFL, and I do want to

(34:55):
go over each point spread according to DraftKings because I
told you and Danny specifically, please don't look, just like,
don't look at the point spreads, because I did the
blind test where I guessed the point spreads, and I
feel like one of them's way off, and I want
to know if you guys agree, So we'll get to
that next. Take a little peak at Wildcard weekend because
it's going to be fired up six games. We got

(35:17):
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Are you ready, Let's do it? That made you go h.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Things that make you.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Go, things that make your goal. I think the number
one thing that made me go HM was how all
the teams accommodated the prop bets that needed to hit.
That was to me. I think the cool part of
Week eighteen was watching Geno Smith makes six million dollars,
watching Mike Evans get that opportunity in the fourth quarter

(37:56):
to catch that five yard pass to tie Jerry Rice.
I think that was one of the highlights. And I
think one of the other big takeaways from Week eighteen
of the NFL, well, not everybody met their incentives. There
was a side story where by Dallas starting Trey Lance,
it cost Cooper Rush five hundred thousand. He still made

(38:18):
like two hundred and fifty or something in incentives, but
it prevented him from getting a sick fifty five percent
of the offensive snaps, so he would have gotten off
snap Oh snap was right. Five hundred thousand dollars. But
it was cool to see a lot of people meet
their incentives. I agree that that made it a lot
of fun to watch. And for so many things that

(38:39):
were people are polarized on like people fight about everything.
I don't know many people that don't like to see
these players hit their numbers. Like there might be a
couple of grumpy people here and there, but for the
most part, who didn't like that Mike Evans moment. Who
didn't like seeing you know, von Miller or you know
someone hit their sack total and celebrate. To me, that

(39:00):
that's fun. So things that made us say we said
it all week we said that was the reason to watch. However,
the games were still exciting and that was the bonus, right,
So we were looking at the positive. I want to
make that clear because I did hear some people on
Red Zone point out that they never understood how talking
heads and guys on the radio and pundits would always

(39:21):
say there was no reason to watch or care week eighteen.
We never said that. We were giving you reasons to care.
The one game that we cared most about actually was
probably one of the weaker games because the Lions ended
up dominating that game. So what made me say hmm,
is how the Lions really I think separated themselves. Their
defense was stellar, dude. Their defense made me say hmm.

(39:46):
When you Vikings, who everybody's been high on all year
and been impressed with all year. They couldn't score They
couldn't score it. This really makes me. That really makes
me saying, hmm about the Lions defense. Listen, it may shine.
While they did whoop the Vikings last night, my opinion
on sat Donald and the Vikings doesn't change. I feel

(40:07):
like in the first half they had multiple red zone
opportunities where they were ballsy, they went for it, and
they came up short. They could have very well been
up significantly of halftime. It just didn't work out. I'm
not saying if you run it back another time, the
results are completely different. But they were in the red
zone three times, I believe in the beginning and came
away with three points. They eventually said let's put some
points on or let's take three. And I say this respectfully,

(40:29):
and they could learn from it. It seemed pretty evident
that Donald was playing rushed, I mean rushed and no
more like careful too. Instead of slinging it and throwing it,
he was aiming it like he looked like he was
like too cautious instead of playing a little ballsy. And
I think that showed so if they if he's able
to be comfortable and you're right, maybe have a little

(40:51):
more time and not so run he missed. They will
have more opportunities. He missed justin Jefferson by a foot
on a fade into the end zone again on multiple
red zone uportunities. They just came up short. And I'm
not saying, oh wow, that they would have beat the Lions,
but I think the score is deceptive and it makes
you think that the Lions were just so much better.

(41:11):
I just think that nothing went the Vikings way and
then the game at the end gets out of control
because you're you're playing for behind and you're trying it
thirty one to nine, But that defense made the difference,
and props to Jamier Gibbs. Gibbs with four tuddies that
made me say to having a career game on a
night like that shows you the type of player this
dude is. And it just shows you the grit and
toughness of this team, and I think that's what separates

(41:32):
them from other teams. For me, my opinion changed on
the Vikings and it really solidified where the Lions stand
Last night night, Well, you know what we're going to
talk about some wildcard weekend coming up and all your
observations from yesterday, so you want to in eight, seven, seven,
nine to nine on Fox. Will do it next? Can
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