Aaron Torres and Jason Martin Talk Mavs Over Thunder, Tough NFL Schedules & More!

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It is so great to be with all of you,
and it's so great to be with all of you
here on a Saturday night in May. You know one
thing Jmartin I talk about all the time. We are
so blessed to be in this timeslot because you know,

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being a host on Fox Sports Radio is a privilege
in and of itself. But at the same time, being
in this timeslot, we are always coming on after big games,
NFL playoff games, Saturday games, big college football games, and
tonight was no exception. By now you know the story
to Seger just told you, Martin and VJ just told you.

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But there was a game six in Dallas, Dallas up
three to two on the Oklahoma City Thunder. The winners
would advance to the Western Conference Finals. Of course, if
it was Dallas. If Oklahoma City wins, there is a
game seven. Bring it up, because it came down to
the wire, and it came down frankly to a little
bit of a controversial finish. Producer Ian, really quick, do

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we have the sound yet of the final play? Let
me set it up for you. Mary Mack will pull
it up here in half a second. But the Oklahoma
City Thunder are up by one, one sixteen, one point fifteen.
Dallas drives the length of the court a corner pass
to PJ. Washington. He kind of double pumps as the

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shot clock is set to expire and uh, you know,
and it looks like he gets followed. A file is
called on the floor. Uh, and he does go to
the foul line and makes two of three, makes the
first two to give the Dallas Mavericks a one point lead.
He misses the third one on purpose. What was interesting

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about that is that in the process of the challenge
by Dallas. Uh, in the process of the challenge by Dallas,
they used their last time out so they could not
advance the ball. Here is how it sounded on the
floor in real time. Mary mac go ahead and hit it.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Shaye drives right, Alli Imster's tap for the right hand
ug went up high, threw down heart thunder one sixteen.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
The mass won fifteen to twenty seconds left. That was
not the sound that we were looking for. That was
the thunder taking the lead there. Momentarily disagreed, do you
have the sound? Go ahead, we're efforting the sound. Give
us one half second here again. Dallas, by the way,
wins one seventeen to one to sixteen. Controversial call. We're

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trying to get the sound here, ready to go, was
told that we have the sound. If we don't, it's okay,
I'll tell you what. We'll just get into the conversation
because the bottom line is the Dallas Mavericks win. We'll
get back to the sound here momentarily. But Dallas advances.
They will obviously go to the NBA Finals where there
are the Western Conference Finals where they will face either
Denver or Minnesota. They play their game seven tomorrow. But

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to me, listen, the story is it was a controversial call.
I'll be blunt. The broadcast. The broadcast. The broadcast made
it sound like it was a controversial play. First of all,
I'll be honest, I don't really even understand fully at
this point how how a foul which is in essence
a judgment call every single time, is really reviewable. But

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Steve Javi on the call does make it sound a
little bit controversial that that maybe it isn't a foul call. Whatever.
Bring it up, because the follow is called credit PJ. Washington.
He makes both those free throws, and the Dallas Mavericks
will now advance to the West Conference Finals. Jason Martin
is joining me from Nashville. Jmart what did you make

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of that final play? As the Dallas Mavericks PJ. Washington
is fouled, they do review it. It is called a
follow on the floor. PJ. Washington makes two to give
Dallas a one point lead, which ultimately seals the victory.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
I mean, well, I mean, I'll admit, first off, I'm
a thunderfan, and so obviously this one hurt. But I
guess I'm just kind of a little bit confused just
because I and kind of just what I heard you saying.
I'm not exactly sure what the challenge was, what the
basis was. The way it was explained after the fact

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that because the shot hadn't been released yet, it didn't
matter if he touched the ball because it then hit
his wrist and then he lets the shot go and
he gets three free throws. Anyway, Like, the whole thing
just kind of seemed like a mess. Ultimately, if you
go to it and you look at it, if that's
the if that's the way that it was and that's

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the way that it was observed, then it was a foul.
And it's unfortunate because you just kind of would rather
it not end like that. But sometimes you don't get
to script the ending the way that you wanted to,
and so that's just kind of where you find yourself.
But I'm like now scrambling around trying to find the
first articles to get put out that are really going

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to explain this better, because I don't know if I
blame the television broadcast or not, but they didn't do
a particularly good job of making me feel like I
truly understood that call and could say, Okay, yeah, yeah,
this is what it was like. It seemed very kind
of wishy washy, and it left a bad taste in
my mouth.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
You know what's funny about that? Jamart and I'm not
here to criticize this, and everybody on the call is
doing the best that they can, and I think Dave
Pash is really good. I do too, But like Richard
Jefferson is what three years removed from the league, and
you know, we have Doris Burke and JJ Reddick on
the main It's like, I do feel like there's kind
of a dearth of like real good NBA analyst right

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now because, like you said, it wasn't sold to me
in real time as if it made sense. I'll be honest,
Like you know, I think the argument could certainly have
been made that the that that Shay Gildess Alexander who
did commit the fall on PJ. Washington again for people
just joining us. Dallas beats the Oklahoma City Thunder one
seventeen one sixteen.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
PJ.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Washington of the Dallas Mavericks followed with two and a
half seconds left. He goes to the line, makes two
of free three two of three free throws to seal
the victory. Only bring it up because Yeah, it didn't
seem like that controversial of a call to me, I
certainly think it would have been. It's tough because you know, listen,

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we we know how this goes is that you're not
supposed to let the moment in the game dictate, dictate
the call or whatever. But if you don't make it, uh,
Oklahoma City has a one point If you don't make
the call, Oklahoma City has a one point lead, and
we're going to a game seven and Dallas is mad.
I think it was the right call. Let me ask
you this, Jason, and I know where I reacted to
this in real time, and I don't know that this

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is the biggest storyline. I think the biggest storyline to
me is bluntly, you know, twenty nine, ten and ten
for Luca Kyrie Irving made a bunch of big plays
down the stretch.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
PJ.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Washington made a bunch of big plays down the stretch,
both offensively and defensively. Seric Gliveley, who, by the way,
Dave Pash did mention on the broadcast his mom just
passed away from cancer about like two two and a
half months ago, So happy for him with the way
he's playing. I don't think that the last play is
why Dallas won the game. Well, I mean by technically

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it is, but like they were the better team down
the stretch. I want to ask you really quick though,
do you think it was a mistake by Mark Daganolt,
the Oklahoma City thunder head coach, because it was the
last time out, they could not advance the ball, and
so then PJ. Washington all they had to do was
make two out of three, you win the game. Even
if you make one out of three, you're going overtime.

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I think that's the conversation that that may get lost
in this because there is a conversation about was it
the right call? Was it not all of a sudden
you can't advance the ball. That's obviously something in the
NBA that a lot that the college level doesn't have.
I know, it's in real time, and I know when
stuff like this happens, we obviously always overreact to it.
But we are in real time here. I think that

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was maybe more egregious than anything is. Is you save
the challenge, you get the time out, you move the
ball to half court, and you have a chance to
either tie or in this case, they would have obviously
had a chance to win the game. I think that,
to me was the bigger issue I think with with
with what I would say happened in the last couple
of seconds.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Well, I mean I think that you. I mean, certainly
you can look at it now and say that was
a mistake because it didn't go their way. I would
say that. You know, he challenged earlier in the game
the fifth foul on Dort and they reversed the call
and they took that back to four, and that was
a crucial moment in the third quarter, and maybe he

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did feel like he had a case there. The real
time aspect can't be forgotten here, because I mean, he
had almost no time to make the call ite like, well,
am I just gonna let this go and let him
go take these free throws? Or am I gonna challenge this?
And of course he's got his team looking at him
trying to tell him to challenge, just like Dallas was
trying to get Jason Kidd to challenge the out of

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bounds and they were out of challenges on the other side.
So there's a lot of factors and it's moving awfully
quickly in that moment. It's very easy now to say, yeah,
that puts your team in a spot where PJ was
ultimately gonna miss that free throw and you're gonna have
a horrible look. That was gonna be your season. You're
gonna have no opportunity to set up anything. Even though

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Passion made the point that you know, because of the situation,
he had already made the call of what play was
gonna happen, it didn't matter because you were gonna be
grabbing it off a rebound and there was not gonna
be any time to set it up. So I just
think it was imperfect all around. I don't know exactly
what he should have done, but I can't really blame
him for this because he had been successful with this
same group of referees earlier in the game on a challenge,

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and this was a game defining moment. If that challenge
goes through and works, you know you're you're looking at
a completely different situation.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Do you also agree though, that probably you know the
right team the wrong team whatever. It was weird because
Jason and maybe I had just a different perspective than you.
I mean, you follow a casey close than I do
on a day to day basis. But you know, one
we could do the cliche, oh, they're ahead of schedule,
young team. Most of these guys it's their first playoff appearance.
But it was weird because I don't know. I just

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never felt like Oklahoma City was gonna win that game.
And I know they literally had the lead with two
and a half seconds to go, So it sounds dumb
to say it, but it just felt like down the stretch,
you know, Shake Gilgess Alexander was making a lot of plays,
but you know, a couple got you know, cheded Holmger
missed a couple shots, Lou Dort missed a couple shots.
Caseen Wallace, who's a rookie, I don't blame him, but

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finishes two for eight and a couple of wide open
misses in the fourth quarter. I maybe I saw the
game differently than you. It just felt like Oklahoma City
was holding on for dear life. Shay Gildes, Alexander would
make a play here or there, but I don't believe, like,
you can't not say that that play didn't have an
impact because again, ultimately Dallas wins by one on a

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foul in the final seconds. But I kind of felt
like Dallas was gonna win that game the whole time.
Am I crazy for saying that?

Speaker 4 (11:20):
No?

Speaker 3 (11:21):
I felt the same way, unfortunately, I mean, and it's
tough when you're a fan of the team that you
just in that moment, the only guy that I trusted
wearing a Thunder uniform was Gildess Alexander, and I mean,
he did everything that you could have wanted. The patience
that he plays with, the poison composure that he plays
with at all times is kind of staggering because he

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just never looks frantic. He ends up making that foul
at the end, but they're not even in the same
building with the MAVs if he's not doing what he's
doing all night prior to that, So I'll accept it.
I mean, it was a bad foul, and you still
say it was a bad foul since it was called,
but at the same time, it doesn't race all of
what else that he did. But I agree when they

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went up sixteen, I felt pretty good about it. But
when Dallas came out in the third quarter and made
that little run and started to show, Okay, this is
gonna be a dogfight down the stretch, there was something
about the environment in that building, specifically in this game,
where I just felt like, man, if SGA doesn't go
over forty in this game, this is gonna be real trouble,

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especially if Kyrie catches fire because he played an awful
first half and then he came out and he was
fantastic in the second half of the game. So I
ultimately watching this. So they win the first game at home,
and then they lose four of five, and I think
it's just I do think youth plays into it. I do,
And you have some guys that have some serious experience,

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and of course Irving has a championship and he's used
to winning clutch moments like this, close out moment games
like this. I just felt like there was there were
more guys that I was afraid of as a Thunder
fan from Dallas, then I feel like Dallas would have
been for Oklahoma City. Not to say that they're not
going to be really good in the years to come,

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and they're gonna be able to build around, but they
it felt like they were missing a piece and this
was just kind of this is usually how it works
in the NBA. You usually take steps. This felt like
this Thunder team felt more like the Grizzlies to me
than a number one seed in the West. Like I
feel good about the future more than I did about

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the immediate present.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yeah, I mean, and it's cliche, but it is true.
And you know, you look at the Oklahoma City Thunder.
I mean again, Chet Holmgren's second year guy basically a
rookie because he didn't play last year. Jalen Williams second
year guy. You know, Isaiah Joe's been around, but he's
a role player, Lou Dort whatever. They're mostly all guys
that are first or second year. Where Kyrie Irving has
played obviously, as you said, multiple NBA finals, won an

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NBA Championship. Luca led this team to a Western Conference
finals just a few years ago, and this team just
has way more experience and it showed down the stretch.
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Speaker 1 (15:23):
Here comes Luca.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
He's trapped along the left.

Speaker 7 (15:26):
Side with ten now against Dort one on one driving right,
backing down at the chair, pold spencelist have lost to
Paul got it to Washington, Forces out up, cut down,
He got down. He got down by Jonchash Alexander with
two and a half seconds to God, Oh what a
terrible file there.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Oh my goodness, goding.

Speaker 8 (15:46):
On the low of the foul occurred on the three
point shot.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
The challenge is unsuccessful. Dallas and three free pros.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Welcome back everybody. Fox Sports Radio Eric Tors Jason Martin
broadcasting live from the Tyreck dot Com their studios. You
heard the crucial call. The Dallas Mavericks beat the Oklahoma
City Thunder one seventeen to one sixteen Western Conference Semi Finals.
With it, the Dallas Mavericks advance to the Western Conference Finals.
The controversial call, if you want to call it that.

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In the final seconds, PJ. Washington fouled in the corner
the Oklahoma City Thunder challenge it. The challenge is unsuccessful.
We did just get sound from Shake Guildes. Alexander, who
committed the foul, called on the floor. Here's what he
had to say after.

Speaker 9 (16:32):
I shouldn't have fouled him.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (16:34):
We talk about it all your other little things that
go into winning games and being disciplined, and it sucks. Obviously,
if I had the moment back, I went to found
him and just let him make her mister shot. But yeah, basketball,
and you win some, you lose some, you made mistakes.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Have you seen the replay?

Speaker 9 (16:51):
I can't look at it, but they looked at it
nice and I founded him.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
That was Shae Yildes Alexander after the game. You know, Jason,
I'll be honest, watching it in real time look like
a followed me. I didn't think it was that controversial.
And by the way, I'm usually somebody that says, hey,
you know, let the players decide it on the floor.
Looked like a file to me. The only reason you
and I are even talking about it is because the
TV broadcast really made it seem like it was a

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call that could potentially be overturned. Shake gil just Alexander
opens the statement by saying, I shouldn't have followed him
to me. You know, I'm not a judge here, but
that just about closes the book on this case as
far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah, I don't think there's any controversy. I mean, if
you go back and you watch the actual replay from
the from a good angle, he does start with the
ball and then he clearly hits him on the arm.
And maybe the question was defoul him before the shot,
so that was gonna affect the number of free throws.
Like I the whole thing got very weird in terms

(17:52):
of challenging because it didn't seem like there was that
much challenge when it came to did he make contact
with him like he did? The question was I guess
the question was at what part of the shot or
before the shot? Was PJ Washington Ultimately and yeah, I mean,
and I got to say credit to SGA for just

(18:13):
being an adult there in the press conference and just
flat out saying, yeah, shouldn't have done it, which I
could have it back. I would have just let him
make or miss the shot. We talked about it all year,
like he basically just said, look, screwed up, made a
big time mistake. It cost us our season. But he
took it like I mean, he didn't try to make excuses.
He can go after the officials. He didn't do anything

(18:34):
but just say, yeah, I made a mistake in that moment.
I wish I could have it back. There are a
lot of ways that you can handle that a whole
lot worse than shake Gil just Alexander did. So.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Dallas does advance to the Western Conference Finals again. You know,
you could go back find the video replay. Unfortunately, obviously
we're an audio medium. But I don't think Jason thinks
it was controversial. I don't think I think it was controversial.
I don't think shake Gil just Alexander thinks it was controversial.
Dallas advances, which means that, as we all know, they
will now play the winner of Game seven tomorrow night

(19:05):
in Denver, the Denver Nuggets taking on the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Of course, Minnesota coming off a monster what was it
a forty five point win or something like that. Last
night Denver held to seventy points. Any first impressions on
this game, Jayson? Kind of a wild series when you
think about it, I mean, how often does the home
team lose the first does the top seed lose the

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first two games at home, come all the way back
to get a three to two series lead, and then
of course last night Minnesota tied it up. But we
do have a Game seven tomorrow night in Denver, and
of course the winner of that series, the winner of
that game will play Dallas next round.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
I mean, this is what you want. You almost had
three game sevens, yet now you're gonna get two, and
I'll tell you the weird thing about the Denver Minnesota
series is the games haven't really been close. It's been
one team has shown up and the other one has
just had an awful night. Like pretty much the entire series.
It's been unique in that way, and there's no reason

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to think it won't be that way. I mean, I
hope it's I hope we get the heavyweight fight that
this series deserves. But it the way it's been is
the team that shows up on the good side of
what they usually are wins the games and wins them
pretty handily, and you know, ultimately winning by forty five
the other night or whatever it was, that was sort

(20:26):
of just making the point more emphatically than it's been
made at any point to this to this stage. So
I just don't know. I like trying to predict that
game tomorrow. I'm just looking forward to watching the game.
I'm looking forward to watching both of them. I feel
like I might have a better handle on how I
feel about Nick Pasters though, just because the Nuggets and

(20:47):
the te Wolves has been so weird, and I think
a lot of that is I feel like, if if
the t Wolves show up and play with the intensity
of Anthony Edwards, they may they may be advancing. If
they show up and they play with the intensity of
Karl Anthony Towns, They're probably gonna get beat. That's good.
I mean, let's just legitimately what it is. And then
on the other side, for Denver, it's is this gonna

(21:10):
be a good Jamal Murray game? He says, feeling really good?
Is he going to show up and show out and
make a bunch of shots in this game? And are
some of the other guys going to make some crucial
threes as well? Like I think that I really don't
have a great feel for it because I think either
team absolutely could win it. Now, I picked the Nuggets,
but that was prior to the series, and as you
watch it and you see I do feel like the

(21:31):
t Wolves match up in a way that if they
get hot and and pretty much take that Nuggets crowd
out of it, they could run away with it the
way that they did in the first game of the series.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, it's kind of wild. Game one, seventeen point Minnesota win.
Game two, twenty six point Minnesota win, Game three, twenty
seven point Denver win. Game four was the only close
when it was an eight point win for Denver. Game
Game five, it was a fifteen point win for Denver,
and then of course a four five point victory four

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Minnesota last night. Tell you what, Jason, we'll come back.
We'll talk a little bit more about that game. And
also you mentioned it right there. Another game seven tomorrow
as well in New York. We'll discuss that next for
do the first time this evening, I guess it's technically
the second time I've thrown to the news desk. But
my bad. Earlier we were scrambling for that sound. I apologize,

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but to Sega, what is going on?

Speaker 10 (22:24):
At least we got it in there in this segment
and it was thrilling at the end, and Dallas advances.
The Fox Sports NFL feed, by the way, on Twitter
did just tweet out that it's a good time to
be a sports fan. And the Dallas Fort Worth area
say for one thing, because their graphic is how many
days since your last Conference Finals appearance for a Dallas
area team? Well, Dallas Maverick's been no days. They just

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qualified Dallas Stars late last night. No days, they just qualified.
Texas Rangers are coming off a World Series title. Dallas
Cowboys it's been over ten thousand days since they were
Just for the record.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Think about that TCU has played for a championship in
college football more recently than the Cowboys.

Speaker 10 (23:03):
That's one big ouch. Who in the history of the
Dallas Cowboys would have guessed that TCU football would have that.
That's what I'm saying, Boys football. The Dallas Mavericks are
five seeds in the West Playoffs this year, and they've
eliminated the one seed Oklahoma City one seventeen, one sixteen
on two free throws with two seconds left. Remember when

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Dirk Novitsky and company won an NBA championship for Dallas
in twenty eleven. After that, they went ten straight years
without winning a single playoff series. Now with LUCA, a
couple of years ago, they made the conference finals, lost
to Golden State. Now with LUCA this year, they've made
the conference finals. Luka Donsich with a triple double in

(23:44):
this game, and they were trailing at home halftime. It
was okay, see sixty four to forty eight. And at
that time I saw the stat from the AP about
the number of blowouts in this postseason for the NBA
that you reference in the first two rounds of the
NBA Playoff at that point tonight, the average margin of
victory was over fourteen points per game, largest since nineteen

(24:07):
fifty eight for the first couple rounds. And yet we
had a comeback victory for the home team, Dallas wins
by one on the late free throws. Luka Doncich finished
not only with a triple double, it was specifically twenty
nine points, ten rebounds, tennisis and seven turnovers stat saying
saying Doncich is the first player in the history of

(24:27):
the NBA to have three straight triple doubles to close
out a series.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
By the way, three straight triple doubles without getting a
single call. According to Luka Doncich, sorry, I was watching.
I love Luca. He's so gifted. Can we get one
play where you just don't wind to the refs police?
Can we get just one?

Speaker 11 (24:46):
So you're saying superstars beg for calls?

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Is that what I mean?

Speaker 2 (24:50):
It feels like he's like the Michael Jordan of begging
for calls.

Speaker 11 (24:55):
Like it's tell you're his say Tim Duncan, honestly.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Did, Tim Duncan.

Speaker 11 (24:59):
He kind of rolled his eyes a lot for many years.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Yeah, Duncan was the king of it. In my opinion,
that's the torch.

Speaker 10 (25:06):
Luka Donsichs talent though, was evident on that last offensive
play because I thought, Okay, he's backed him in, he's
got him in the lane, he's gonna get a good shot.
And he lost the ball and was still able to
tap it to his teammate at the corner, and PJ.
Washington was fouled with the two seconds left, And you're
right to bring up the fact that, oh, should the
coach have challenged that. That's the coach of the year

(25:27):
in the NBA we're talking about for OKC. I get
what he's thinking, because if you challenge and win, they're
not taking any free throws, right, and you can win
and you can have a Game seven at home on
Monday night perhaps, And even if you challenge and lose,
as was the case, PJ. Washington's not a good free
throw shooter, especially this year. If he doesn't make those

(25:48):
first two, he's gonna have to make the third, and
then I know you don't get to advance to big court,
but at least you get a better pass and maybe
a better shot.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
In the last two seconds, you guys were both right
on that one. I said it in real time and
after j Martin made the point, after you did disagre.
It was the right decision. It was just unfortunate how
it worked out.

Speaker 11 (26:07):
He lost twice. Basically in the moment.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
It was the right call.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Yeah, I was just listening to him. I was trying
to scout him out, like to see what he said
afterwards about it. About making the decision. He said, point blank,
he goes, I knew he got ball, and I also
knew he got arm, but I thought maybe he got
ball first, and I felt like it was worth the risk,
And I think, is that right, Steve. It just came
down to the fact that because PJ. Washington hadn't started
the shot, it didn't matter if you touch the ball,

(26:32):
because then you touched the arm before, and that's a foul. Anyway,
if he had been in the actual act and the
ball had been released, then if he had gotten ball first,
it wouldn't have been a foul.

Speaker 10 (26:42):
Yeah, because what you played there at the end. It
was such a matter of fact statement by the referee
at the microphone, like it wasn't even a concern of
whether it was a two or a three.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Oh my goodness, we're going.

Speaker 8 (26:54):
To lower the foul occurred on the three point shot.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
The challenge is unsuccessful.

Speaker 11 (27:00):
Dallas three three throws and that was that.

Speaker 10 (27:03):
Two free throws made. Dallas does win and advance. By
the way, the Western Conference Finals will start on Wednesday,
the series winner with the Indiana at New York Game
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(27:24):
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(27:45):
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(28:06):
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Speaker 2 (28:19):
Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve di Sega,
Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday, Eric Towards Jason Martin
broadcasting live from the tireq dot Com studios as the
Saga just told you. Dallas beats OKC one seventeen one
sixteen in Game six of the Western Conference Semifinals. They
will advance to the Western Conference Finals, where they will
play the winner of Sunday Nights Denver versus Minnesota Game seven.

(28:43):
But of course before that, we got ourselves a Game
seven in Madison Square Garden. Jason, I remember when this
series was kind of ramping up two weeks ago, when
you and I were on air. You know, there's a
lot of nostalgia Pacers Knicks whatever. I think it was
Game one, er Game two. Reggie's calling the game for
TNT he's getting booed. Well, here we are with a

(29:04):
Game seven in New York Madison Square Guard in three
point thirty Eastern time tomorrow. Is worth noting, by the way,
just an hour or about three hours ago, quick update
from Adrian Woldronowski there is a chance at ogn and
ob who has been out since Game two, could be back.
One thing I will say, Josh Hart with that oblique
injury anybody. I mean, I've never suffered one, but I've

(29:28):
covered sports long enough to know is that that is
no joke. And Woji even said it on the pregame
of Dallas, OKC, which is that you have that injury,
it hurts to sneeze, it hurts to move, it hurts
to tie your shoes. So I would expect Josh Hart
to give it a go. I don't know that we
get anything close to one hundred percent, but anyway, that's
a long setup for me to say game seven and

(29:50):
MSG tomar Jays.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Yeah, I mean, coughing, breathing, pretty much everything hurts. And
the thing is in basketball you have to lift your
arms up a lot.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
I heard the wretch you and he have twelve rebounds
a game.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, that's not, well, that would be tough. If he
comes back and he has any kind of even reasonable game,
he should be given all the props in the world
for that. So of course you were out last week,
so Arnie was in and so it was a lot
of Knicks talk, which is fine. I'm enjoying the series too,
but we he asked a question, he goes what team
needs to win the most right now in the postseason,

(30:24):
and I said, I think it's New York even though
they had the lead. And he said, oh, I think
it's somebody else. And I said, well, it's not because
I think that they ultimately have to win for momentum purposes.
It's because they're so banged up that them going into
a prolonged series is just not the best for them.
And so here you've got I mean, Anonobe before he

(30:45):
went out of game too, was outstanding and they need him,
they truly do. Now what you get out of him
if he is able to come back and goes out
and shoots around and is on the floor, I don't know.
I challenge him as much as possible if I'm the
Pacers at that point, and try to make him run
and see if there's anything there to wear his little
russ he's a little slow, anything like that. Challenge him

(31:07):
as much as possible. But I wonder just how big
or how much of a teammate Madison Square Garden is
going to be for the Knicks because watching the games
that have been played there and the environment of those games,
I think that is an incredibly difficult ask for Indiana

(31:32):
to go in there and expect that like de Vincenzo
isn't going to go off for eight threes or Brunson's
not gonna have forty or something like that. Like every
fiber of me, regardless of who's missing and who's out,
I just feel like that MSG crowd and that environment
might be enough to get them home three and.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Zero in this series at home. They also won two
of three at MSG against the seventy six or so
it's an impossible home court. And oh, by the way,
just looking right now, average ticket price in Denver, he
ain't getting in cheap. It's one hundred and sixty three
dollars to get into Game seven at Denver MSG. The

(32:13):
cheapest ticket four hundred and thirty eight dollars. So, as
jmar just said, MSG will be rocket Fox Sports Radio Errators,
Jason Martin taking me up till two a m. Eastern time.
When we come back, we'll actually talk about a team
that's no longer in the playoffs, the Cleveland Cavaliers, and

(32:34):
an interesting fan that showed up for one of their games.
This we can't tell you who saved the suspense for
after the break. That's next, Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (32:43):

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Welcome back, everybody. Fox Sports Radio ertors Jason Martin, broadcasting
live from the tyreck dot Com Studios. The game of
the night, Dallas Mavericks took care of Oklahoma City one
seventeen one sixteen.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
PJ.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Washington File with two and a half seconds left, makes
two of three free throws to give ok to give
Dallas excuse me, a one point lead, Oklahoma City misses
a shot at the buzzer. The Dallas Mavericks will now
advance to the Western Conference Finals, where they will face
the winner of Sunday's Game seven between Minnesota and Denver.
J mart a lot of NBA this week. I do

(33:24):
want to go all the way back, just for a
few minutes here, because obviously it's it's a little bit
of old news at this point. But Monday night, Game
four in a series that has long been over the
Boston Celtics and Cleveland Cavaliers, Game four in Cleveland, Cleveland
doesn't win, but that wasn't really the noteworthy part. Noteworthy

(33:46):
part was who was sitting court side?

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Drew Carrey.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Maybe I didn't see him. If he was, was he
you were?

Speaker 3 (33:52):
And I thought that I'd assume that's who you had
to be talking about. Nobody else that would have been there.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Well, the funny thing was, I was like, did I
miss him? Because I don't want to, you know, just
brush it off if if you know, mister Cleveland rocks
was there.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
But I was doing a bit, I know who you're talking.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yes, the other person who who rocks mister Cleveland? That
would be uh, Los Angeles Lakers superstar Lebron James was
sitting courtside for Game four.

Speaker 6 (34:21):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
A lot of talk after that. What did you make
of Lebron James being in Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
For that game? So, I you know, full disclosure. Earlier
today in our production meeting, I basically said I wanted
to talk about this because it got under my skin.
It was Lebron James, and I hated everything about this.
I get it from Akron Cleveland's son won a championship
all this, But dudes, you're a Laker and you're out
of the playoffs, and if you want to go and

(34:52):
see the game, then go do it in a press
box or something like that, and don't be courtside where
everybody's going to see you and give you you an ovation.
Not to mention there's speculation that you were also chatting
with Donovan Mitchell about how you could get him out
to la and all this other stuff. It's the Celtics
and the Calves and it's not the Calves with Lebron James.

(35:14):
Can we let the two teams that are playing have
the stage. This is not Stefan Marberry at the Knicks game.
This is not Latrell spree Well at the Knicks game.
This is an active player who never ever has seen
a camera that he has not gone to, or an
opportunity for a camera to find him that he has avoided.

(35:35):
He could have easily been at this game, been a
part of the environment and not been right there in
front of everybody. But he found a way to do
it anyway. And look, it's his right. He bought a
ticket ize soon, even though they probably would have comped
them one anyway. And he sits there court side, but
he detracts like he's a distraction, and it's all like,

(35:57):
is there any way to read this? I guess it's
a in a way, and maybe there's maybe I'm taking
it too far, but it just felt like I'm gonna
make this all about me, even though it shouldn't at
all be about me, because there's two other basketball teams
that are still playing. My team's been eliminated, and I
just can't get out of the way. And I know
that I'm gonna get a hero's reception in Cleveland anyway,

(36:18):
and so I'm gonna go ahead and do this.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
So I agree with you, and you know, I actually
think there's a weird parallel that I'm gonna make, But
I think it's a parallel. Nonetheless, in a week that Bronnie,
of course his son, was going through the NBA draft combine,
I think there's a parallel to Lebron's a narcissist. It's
always about Lebron.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
It has to.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
I have to have a camera on me, no one
else matters. And I think there's a degree of that
with Bronnie James even going through the draft process. I mean, listen,
every kid is allowed to do what he wants. And
I understand that Bronni is in a unique situation, certainly
with the heart condition whatever, but we all know and
this isn't a knock on Bronnie. He's not ready for
the NBA. But really it feels like the only reason
he's going through the process is because his dad said,

(37:01):
like four years ago, well, I want to play with
my son in the NBA. And it wasn't that long ago.
What was it about six eight months ago? But I
think even less than that, maybe like three or four
when the Lakers were struggling, and oh, you know, Bronni
could help us right now, and Bronny could play for
us right now. And it's like, this isn't a knock
on Bronnie. He's nineteen. Maybe he'll get there someday, but
he's not there yet. But what it just so blatantly

(37:23):
shows me is that it's always about him, and so
it's you know, listen, I don't want to oversell it.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
There.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
There's really bad things that happened in the world every day,
many of which happened this week. You know whatever, but
it was just gross. Like it's just like, like you said,
if you're in Cleveland, I think the argument would be, well,
Bronnie was at the Combine, maybe he was in the
Midwest anyway, blah blah blah blah blah. But as you said,
you can sit in a box, you can sit, but

(37:51):
to sit center court drinking a glass of wine doing
whatever have to make it about you, it is just
so exhausting. Man, It's just so exact and just not
a fan of it at all.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
I'm just really not Yeah, and the brownny thing, you know,
Bronnie said a few days ago, I think you know,
I'm not even worried about my dad. I'm just trying
to do this on my own. It's like, well, you
better be worried about your dad, because if your name,
if your last name happened to be Jones and not James,
we wouldn't know who you are. Like I hate to
be that blunt about it, but and I even saw
stuff coming from but he's impressing at the combine and

(38:23):
shut up, like stop, like please please quiet down. This
is this is a farce. At this point, it doesn't
mean that maybe he couldn't get there. But the only
reason that we're talking about him at all, and the
only reason that he's on an NBA radar, or maybe
he was even on a usc basketball team to begin with,
is because of who his dad was. And it's it's

(38:43):
okay he says he wants to do it on his own.
In fact, I would want to do it on my
own if I were him too, but I wouldn't have
the opportunity, neither would he if it wasn't for his dad.
So I don't think that it helps him to say
that because no one's buying it, and as it stands
past that it's just all right. So if the Lakers
take him into Secon around and we just how many
people are gonna brush it off and how big stories
are going to be and all of those things. But

(39:06):
more to the point of Lebron, it's just you could
have You could have found a way to keep a
low profile and still been a part of the event,
even if you were meeting with Donovan Mitchell, but you
wanted to be seen. Otherwise you would not have done
it the way that you did it in the midst
of a playoff series that you had no you know,
there's no reason for you to be involved in that whatsoever.

(39:27):
You already burned that city twice. You won a championship
there and you were great there, but you also left
them for Miami, and you left them for LA. Then
you got beat in LA and decided you were going
to come back to Cleveland anyway and try to show
up the Cleveland Boston series. That's how I read it,
or at the very least, that's the optics that it
gave off. If you want to be a basketball fan

(39:48):
and go see that and all that kind of stuff,
you can do it. Nobody knows about it, or even
be in the box, and they'll find you on camera
like that had been fine, honestly, like he could have
been in the box like anybody else in that moment
and we're still probably would have found him. But him
being their center court, there is no other reason to
do that except I'm Lebron James and I want to
be seen.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Zero doubt. By the way, in that game, the Boston
Celtics did take care of the Cleveland Cavaliers and took
care of him in that series. We'll be fascinating now
and maybe we'll talk about it an hour three, But
you talk about a pathway opening up for Boston with
a banged up New York or obviously a young indie
in the Eastern Conference Finals. Of course, Game seven tomorrow
in that series as well. Fox Sports Radio aertors Jason

(40:30):
Martin taking the two a m. Easter coming up. We
got a talk NFL schedule release. That's next. Fox Sports Radio.
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up till two a m. Eastern time. As the Sega
just told you the story of Saturday evening, the Dallas
Mavericks advance to the Western Conference Finals. They beat Oklahoma

(41:14):
City one seventeen one sixteen in Game six in Dallas, PJ. Washington,
as the Saga just told you just seconds ago, with
two free throws with under three seconds to go to
seal the victory. Welcome back to the NBA. In a minute.
But Jason, we got ourselves a little NFL schedule release
this week, you know. Yeah, by the way, Uh, first

(41:39):
of all, I love it. I was tuned in. I
was over analyzing.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
I don't I don't.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Appreciate anybody who's making fun of people like me who
were into it like I enjoy it. Yes, it's overreaction. Yes,
stuff is gonna happen, There's gonna be injuries, weird things
are gonna happen. But I loved every second of it.
Did you tune in? Were you paying it to Tay
Wednesday evening when the schedule came out.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
I wasn't, but not because I didn't care, just because
I had some other things going on that took precedence.
But certainly I was paying attention to you know, I
was watching it on my phone to some degree, but
I didn't watch like I haven't gone out of my
way to watch all the team videos and all of
those things, and I haven't dissected every little detail. But

(42:23):
I've certainly seen some things, and I've read some articles.
I mean, we've got a lot of time to get there.
I certainly like it, Like I think it's cool that
it's become an event and you can start to look
at it and you know, other sports. The NBA has
tried to do it as well, and it doesn't work
quite the same way. One of the reasons why is
because there's so many more games. It's just you're looking at, well, win,

(42:43):
are they going to play these teams as opposed to
sometimes if, and what network's going to have them, and
all of these kinds of things. So, I mean, I
do think there's a lot that goes into this, but
the NFL finds a way to make everything an event,
and it's why their sport is what it is in
America and globally increasingly. So I certainly I've gotten past

(43:07):
the point of my life where I'm gonna roll my
eyes at people that love things. I'm just gonna love
things too, like Danca. You know College Football twenty five
that's coming out here on July the nineteenth. Yeah, I
pre ordered it. I don't really pre order games anymore,
but I pre ordered this one, even though it's EA
and I don't trust them at all. But I'm excited
about it because of what it meant to me for

(43:29):
so many years, and anybody that's like me understands where
I'm coming from, and those that want to hate on that,
I just I don't have time for that anymore. If
it's something I don't like, I'll just move on. But
I'm not going to bury you because you like.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
It Western Kentucky coming in form a dynasty.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
And you see it. It's coming baby.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
NCA twenty five. Well, I'll tell you what. Let's actually
break down some of these schedules. Mary, give us a
little music, put us in the mood. J Martin, I'll
give you the floor. Give me one reaction that came
out of Wednesday night when he had a chance to
look at this schedules.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Well, I mean one was just that Brady's first game
is gonna be calling a Dallas Cowboys game. I mean,
I just that's that's a little bit different. That's not
a matchup. Like we can talk about the toughest schedules
and all that, and I'm sure we will because we've
got plenty of time here tonight. But and but I
just say I was interested to see, you know, what's
Brady's first game gonna be as a broadcaster, and it's

(44:21):
gonna be the Cowboys, Because well, if you work with Fox,
that's where you're gonna be And I mean it's just
interesting because you know, that's a team that and that's
that's that America's team loved to hate and Brady kind
of had that same mantra and brought that to the Patriot.
So I find that. I definitely find that interesting. And
then yeah, if you wanted me to get into toughest schedules,

(44:42):
I think Buffalo is gonna have a rough year.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Hmm, interesting, buff So I'll throw that one.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
What do you have?

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Okay? Uh So, first of all, with Buffalo, let's talk
about them. They open with the Cardinals. Obviously the Dolphins
in week two. I'll tell you what. Middle of the
pack Chiefs, and I'll tell you what. Let me throw
one at you. And I'm curious for your perspective because
so I've heard a lot about the Jets and obviously, look,

(45:08):
the Jets open Monday Night against the San Francisco forty
nine ers, first Monday night game of the season. It's
gonna be awesome. We're all excited, okay. And I will
say first three weeks are interesting because they have a
Monday Night, then they have a Sunday where they play
on the road. Again, So they'll get back probably early Tuesday,

(45:29):
that have to get back on the road Thursday, whatever.
Then their first home game is actually a Thursday. So
certainly an interesting front end, kind of highlighted by the
San Francisco forty nine Ers. I'll tell you this, Jason, though,
you look at the rest of the schedule, obviously taking
out division opponents Buffalo and Miami, which maybe it isn't fair,

(45:50):
but you're talking about two games the rest of the
season outside of that opener against the forty nine Ers,
with teams that made playoffs last year. So you got
a lot of Steelers, a lot of Cardinals, and I
understand it's a last play schedule, but I think if
you can put aside that, yeah, you start on the
road at San Francisco, it does feel like a pretty

(46:14):
manageable schedule for Aaron Rodgers and the Jet s Jets,
Jets Jets.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
It does on paper. I think the one thing that
we always have to keep in mind is that usually
in this league, somewhere between forty and sixty percent of
last year's playoff teams turnover. Yep, some teams that were
there won't be there. The question is, is the schedule
you find easy, gonna still look easy at the end
of the year, or is it gonna be well? On paper, boy,

(46:40):
this one should have been an opportunity. But what you're
saying is right. I mean, in division it's still gonna
be a bit of a bear, but you look outside
of the division. I think more than anything you can
say as of right now, would be impossible to call
it anything other than a golden opportunity for this Jets
team to take massive steps forward, should Aaron Rodgers be
able to stay healthy for them and the other guys

(47:02):
contribute like you would anticipate they would with a real quarterback.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah, really quickly. The two games against non playoff against
playoff teams not named the Bills or the Dolphins from
last year Texans at home on Halloween night or Halloween, Yeah,
Halloween night, and then late in the season right around
Christmas time against the Rams at home. Jason, you mentioned
the Bills really quick, So the Bills obviously you know
in division, certainly an interesting rival developing with the Miami Dolphins,

(47:31):
but Baltimore the last weekend of September obviously the Texans
as well, and then late in the season Chiefs at
home forty nine Ers at home and Lions on the road.
So you're right as far as the Bill or as
far as the Bills are concerned. Certainly some marquee matchups there, Jason, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
I mean it's not gonna be easy for them, and
they're gonna be a different team this year. They're gonna
look different. I think the feeling surrounding them going into
the year is gonna be different. I think a lot
of eyes are gonna be on McDermott this year. I
think a lot of question marks are gonna be on
what's Josh Allen gonna do? Now? The Stefan Diggs is
not there, even though they've tried to reload. You know,

(48:11):
we'll see how that goes. One other thing about the Jets,
Six of those first eleven are primetime games, So the
networks are betting big on the Aaron Rodgers effect, I
would say, and what that is going to mean? So
the only thing that you would say, and I actually
saw this at the Athletic, was if if the Jets

(48:33):
do struggle and they're being watched by a lot of
people in prime time, the negative attention on them is
gonna be massive, And then you wonder what Aaron Rodgers
does in that moment. If it does go that way. Now,
I don't necessarily think that it's going to but you know,
they've got their first three games are in eleven day span,
and that's that's gonna be a bit of a that's

(48:55):
gonna be a bit that's gonna be a big kind
of moment for them to show what they're gonna be.
It's it does have a I think the word that
I saw in the article was treacherous. I think it's stretchers.
If you get through that kind of the early stretch,
I think you set yourself up pretty well. And so
we've kind of just sit here and talked about one division.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Give me another one. What else you got?

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Well? I mean, I think that you're looking at the
rookie schedules. Somebody, somebody on Fox this week, I don't
know who it was. Somebody on our airwaves though, said
why can't the why can't the Bears win? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Nick Wright said that.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Nick Wright said, Okay, I know I got an email
about it, but I didn't know who. I can't remember
who it was. It said that. I'm not saying that
that's like insane, but that was a that's a bold
take to make that would be like if they're even
if they're this year's Texans. The Texans didn't win the AFC.
They had a great year with maybe the greatest rookie

(49:55):
year we've ever seen from a quarterback, and they still,
you know, they weren't in this super Bowl. So I
don't know exactly how you would get there in a
division I think is far better than the AFC South
was last year for the Texans. But I am certainly
looking at Caleb who's going to open up against the
Tennessee Titans and their new head coach and so, and

(50:18):
you know, they spent some money. The Titans have spent
some money on the defensive side of the ball, spent
some draft picks as well, and they're working on their
offensive line. So is Caleb gonna be able to show
something early?

Speaker 8 (50:29):
Like?

Speaker 3 (50:29):
I think that just watching those guys and then seeing
the opportunity for him and Jayden Daniels in Week eight
and then maybe Drake May if he's playing in Week ten,
you actually are gonna get a chance to see, you know,
rookie versus rookie twice in a three week span, So
I think that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Also, Yeah, and I would say this too. I find
it interesting is that I feel like the NFL usually
First of all, I heard Nick say it on air,
and I don't want to speak for him, but I
think essentially his argument was, they went seven to ten
with really bad quarterback play last year, and they were
better even last year once they got Montese sweat that defense.

(51:07):
And now you add Keenan Allen, you add Romadunze, and
obviously we expect there to be a significant upgrade at quarterback.
I'll just say this, in general, I feel like the
NFL usually does a better job of highlighting it's star
young players, like you know, I remember, you know, Burrow
versus Tua was I think a Thursday night game, and

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you know whatever, There's been so many of them where
you look at the you know, you look at the Bears.
I guess Week two, they play at Houston. That'll be
a Stroud versus Caleb Williams game.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
But other than that, really, outside of that, you get
the Lions on Thanksgiving Day.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
With no look at thirteen, fourteen, and fifteen, they're all
on the road. Detroit is the first one, then to
San Francisco and two Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Okay, Yeah, I guess a little bit later in the
year a couple standalone intriguing games. So yeah, you're that's fair,
that's fair. I just it felt like there, it just
feels like there's not a lot of meat on the
bone early. Now there's some intriguing matchups versus Stroud on
Sunday Night football week two, versus Anthony Richardson in week three.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
But but but you know, not as much as I
thought really quickly, Jason, I'll say this too. I was
thinking about this and and I don't even know what
I expect from this team. I'm just intrigued by the
Vikings from this perspective. Now, the Vikings obviously this year
going in uh, Sam Darnold, we project will be the starter.
JJ McCarthy at some point you expect would get run.

(52:39):
But I'm just curious in that, like Detroit is like
that bona fide they're here, this is their window whatever.
The Packers are kind of like that young, sexy upstart team.
And then obviously the Bears we just talked about should
be much improved. Caleb Williams. Whatever. It feels like the
Vice Vikings are sort of in no man's land. But

(53:02):
it also I also just can't see them with a
lot of the talent they have in a lot of
places besides the quarterback position being really bad. So I
just think the NFC North's interesting to me because I,
like I said, I think there's there's three teams that
everybody is excited about for different reasons, and I don't
really see all three of those teams all reaching their potential.
Does that?

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Does that?

Speaker 2 (53:23):
So it's a Minnesota conversation, but it's kind of sort
of not a Minnesota conversation, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Yeah, I mean I don't I think Minnesota's gonna be
I'm gonna feel about Minnesota about how I felt about
them last year with Kirk Cousins. Like, I think they're
They're not going to be the worst team in the league,
but I'm not necessarily expecting them to win the division
or maybe even be in the mix at the end,
because Detroit and Green Bay fascinate me more. And then
of course the Caleb Williams factor. I think the whole
division is going to be really interesting. I think that

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the NFC North in general is gonna be well worth watching.
So I think that's one to look at. One thing
I just saw Drake may if let's say he plays
pretty much for the year in New England, which we
don't know for sure. We've heard what Jerod Mayo said
about he's got a long way to go. But then
the players are saying he looks great when he's throwing
the football, and they love the way the ball cups

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out of his hands and all this kind of stuff,
so they play. He's gonna play against Josh Allen twice,
Aaron Rodgers twice, two or twice now injuries barring, barring injuries,
he'll play against Kayleb Williams, c J. Stroud, Anthony Richardson,
Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Matthew Stafford, Trevor Lawrence, Brock Purty,

(54:33):
and Kyler Murray.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
There is no one else in the league that is
playing against more good quarterbacks than the New England Patriots
are this year with their rookie quarterback.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
You know what, I'm looking at the schedule right now,
there's an argument that even if Drake may hits, they
will have the inferior quarterback in all but two games.
They play the Seahawks at home in Week two, and
then they play the Where am I missing here the Titans,
your Tennessee Titans in you know, first week in November,

(55:06):
like you listed all of them. So there's an argument
that Drake may could be could be good, excuse me,
and they could be at a quarterback disadvantage in fifteen
to seventeen games. That's kind of cool. That's assuming that
he's good, by the way, Yeah, if he isn't, could
be a long year in New England.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
So yeah, that one' would be rough. And then just
just another one that stands out a bit. Ten days
in December. If you're a Steelers fan, you gotta face Philly,
Baltimore and Kansas City.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
How about this? So I looked it up today. Of
their final eight games, six of them are in division. Okay,
so and that division. Obviously, the Browns won whatever ten
games last year. We know about Baltimore Cincinnati. They were
awesome with Joe Burrow. So six games in division, including
at Cincinnati, at Baltimore, and then your two non division

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games are what Jason Martin just told you at Philly,
Casey at home poor Russell Wilson Man, Poor Russell Wilson
and Justin Fields maybe both out of the league by
the end of this year the way things are trending.
So listen. I know a lot of people have talked
about the Steelers this week because it does stick out
like a sore thumb with that schedule. But my goodness, man,

(56:20):
as I just said, the final eight, two against the Browns,
two against the Ravens, two against the Bengals, and then oh,
by the way, and by the way, I think I
said it was just at Cleveland and at Cincinnati, TI
at Cleveland, Cincinnian, Baltimore. So two against the Bengals, two
against the Browns, two against the Ravens Philly on the road. Case.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Also also David Tepperman, good stuff he's doing in Carolina.
What do they got, plastics? They've got no primetime games.
They're the only team in the league without any primetime
game at all this year.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
That's great. So when he throws ice at fans, it
won't be as big of a story the next.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Day exactly, and the ice might be harder to pick
up because it's going to be daylight pretty much every
time they're playing.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Oh my god, you know, you know who appreciates them
not having a single primetime game America because I don't
want to watch that team, so they stink, or at
least I think they will. Fox Sports Radio Airtors Jason Martin,
broadcasting live from the tirec dot com studios. Shortly after
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(57:26):
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right after we get off air. Tell you what, Jason
will come back when we do want to talk about
the WNBA because for a league that is pressing for

(57:47):
coverage and for perks and for all sorts of stuff,
they sure do complain a lot, with maybe the dumbest
complaints so far coming today. That's next, Fox Sports. Are
you welcome back? Everybody? Fox Sports Radio Arators Jason Martin,
broadcasting live from the tireraq dot Com studio. So WNBA

(58:11):
season is underway, which is it? I was gonna say
credit to Kaitlin Clark because that's I don't think I
ever a sentence that I've ever set on this show.
So listen, there's been a lot of conversation about Kaitlin Clark.
But and we're gonna get to that maybe after we
touch out with the saga here in just a few minutes.
I need to vent about something, Jason, Okay, I need

(58:31):
to I'm kind of fire breathe Yeah, Okay, So basically
since before, I mean, it's been going on for years,
but let's be honest, nobody really cared because nobody cared
about WNBA. But basically since Kaitlin Clark he became obviously
she was going to the league, it has been what

(58:53):
I deemed to be mostly negative headlines from the perspective
of you know, current players questioning her. A lot of
just negative energy in the air, and there's a lot
of just how unfair things are for the WNBA. Well,

(59:14):
Caitlin Clark's rookie salary is this compared to Victor Wayne Bayama. Well, yeah,
it's because the NBA makes actual money in the WNBA, doesn't. Well,
I mean there's video of Caitlin Clark. She is flying
commercial and look at her picking up her bags. How
could we Well, it's because uh, you know, flying commercial

(59:38):
is a is or flying private is a luxury, not
a necessity. And then oh, By the way, the WNBA
within the last couple weeks decided that they're going to
fly all their players private, spending a lot of money
that they frankly don't have. So basically all I have
heard is how the poor WNBA. Nothing's fair, there's no money.
They all deserve more, even though the league doesn't make
any money. So on SAT. Morning, I was scrolling social

(01:00:02):
media and I came across this video. I didn't really
think much of it, but it was the Las Vegas
Convention and Visitors Authority basically announcing a deal with the
Las Vegas Aces that was going to pay each player
one hundred thousand dollars. And I like just wasn't something
that like registered in my brain that this is a
big thing whatever. But it's kind of cool. You know,

(01:00:23):
two time WNBA champs. Obviously Asia Wilson is a star,
and you know, it just seemed like a feel good thing.
Everybody in locker room's fired up. It's it's it's a
lot of money whatever, blah blah blah. Well, now the
WNBA is investigating this deal from the Las Vegas Convention
in Visitors Authority, basically under the assumption that giving all

(01:00:47):
these players one hundred thousand dollars could be a conflict
of interest or unfair because every play, every team, and
every market doesn't have access to those kind of sponsorship opportunities.
One to me, this feels like an endorsement deal. And
so if the Indiana Fever or the Connecticut Sun, if

(01:01:10):
they go out and find somebody, that absolutely, But then
beyond that we're complaining about how it's so unfair. The
Las Vegas Conventionive Visitors Authority steps up, takes care of
the team, and it's problematic. Like I just I know,
I'm yelling, and I'm sure there's people driving over all

(01:01:31):
over the country, like Taurres stops screaming into my radio.
But all I have heard is complaints about how unfair
it is, how nobody's getting paid, how there's no advent
and now you're getting exactly what you wanted. And all
we're still getting is complaints. Jason, and am I going crazy?
Am I going crazy? Or am I missing something here?

(01:01:53):
Because this is like the crazy I don't even like it,
just it makes me mad. Obviously, go ahead, Jason.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Whatever bag you can get, go get the bags. That's
I mean, that's what it is. I mean, this is
basically just nil for the WNBA. Like if somebody wants
to give them a deal and it's it doesn't Here's
the thing. It doesn't have to be because of the
way this league's set up and because of where it
finds itself. If there's a team that can make money,
go make money. If there's another market that wants to

(01:02:22):
go find somebody that can help them make money, they
should go make money. But this doesn't mean it needs
to be applied universally. That's the mistake here. This is
not a league like, this is not a league like
the NFL or something like that. I know that we're
not supposed to say some of these things, but I'm
going to say something else that certain people will not like,
and that's this. Every single player in the WNBA is

(01:02:47):
overpaid except Caitlin Clark. And here's what I mean. You're
worth what the market says you're worth. I would say overpaid.
But since that's the salary they're getting, Okay, I guess
in that brain, Okay, you're making, you're making, You're worth

(01:03:08):
what somebody's willing to pay you. Okay. But this whole
idea that all they've been underpaid for so long. And
there was one of the quotes in that article about
the the Vegas Tourist Bureau where when the players said, oh,
we've done so much for this city and all this
you have, like, I mean, maybe you have, but it's
not something that that's known all that well. The problem

(01:03:29):
with the WNBA is everything is individual because it's not
a league that has power. It's not a league full
of stars. I saw, I saw comments. I guess I
was paying attention. I don't know why this was a
giant mistake. I was paying attention to the comment thread
live during the during Caitlin Clark's debut game, her home game,

(01:03:51):
and so many commenters and by so many, I mean five,
because that was seemingly all that we're actually commenting during
the game. I was very curious how many people were
going to be active. They were furious. They were like,
ESPN's doing such a disservice to this game by only
focusing on Caitlin Clark on what she's doing. And I'm like,
if they don't, everybody's gonna turn this off. Like you

(01:04:13):
can make whatever you can make, whatever claims that you
want to make. They have one marketable star, one that
doesn't mean they don't have other good players, doesn't mean
there's not other talented people, doesn't mean there's not other
charismatic people that hopefully are going to be able to
go out and get their own bags. And you've seen
a few of those things happen. And now you're seeing
this thing with the Vegas situation and all this. You
don't have a league. You have a player. You have

(01:04:35):
a player that is bigger than the sport itself. And
so all of these articles that are being written and
the Christine Brennan's of the world that are coming out
here and talking all these women have been underpaid for
so long. No, they've been overpaid because what value are
they bringing back in terms of revenue? Like, it's not
about how good they are, how talented they are, it's

(01:04:56):
about how much are people willing to pay to see that,
How much merchandise are they selling, What are the television
ratings and the ad dollars that are being brought in
from the league. It's a brass tax thing. It's a
business thing. It's not a personal thing. The league doesn't profit,
it doesn't make money. So when you come out and

(01:05:17):
you lament all these other things, to say, well, Caitlyn's
getting all these opportunities right because she's unique. Ye, there's
something different about her and we knew that before she
got into the league. Glom onto it all you want,
but don't lament the fact that she has these opportunities
or these you know, this class over here in Vegas
is getting this. Be happy anybody is, because if one does,

(01:05:41):
maybe at some point there will be more. But don't
look at this as if it should be universally applied,
because that's just not how life works well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
And it's like, and I think the way you put
it is nil for pros because it is. It's like,
by the way, what has been the complaint about the
NBA forever? I mean, you know, there's all sorts of complaints,
but one of them is New York, LA, Miami they
have advantages that Milwaukee and Cleveland don't. I don't hear
the Milwaukee and I don't even know who's actually complaining

(01:06:10):
about this, but like, I don't hear the Milwaukee Bucks
players saying, well, I mean, you know, Lebron gets to
be in movies because he lives in LA and it's
so unfair and you have to let all of us
be in book. No, No, everyone has advantages. By the way,
the Dodgers they make like I can't put an exact

(01:06:31):
number on it, but they make significantly more revenue than
fill in the blank. And I'm not gonna but the
Florida Marlins like they do. Are the Dodgers supposed to
take less revenue then? And I know it's not apples
to apples because revenue goes to the team and then
the team goes into the salaries as opposed to this
is just basically an nil deal. But it's like every

(01:06:51):
sport has markets that have advantages. It's like, yeah, I
don't know, man, I just I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
You know, everything about this is infuriating because they make
it so easy to not want this league to succeed.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
That's how I feel it really is. And it's just
it's nothing but negative. And maybe we toss to Sega
and then we'll come back and talk very quickly about
Kaitlyn Clark's first week. But it's just like everything is
everything is a thing, and even when you get what
you want, you're still complaining about it. So sorry for
yelling in your radios, America. But Fox Sports Radio air

(01:07:27):
tors Jason Martin broadcasting live from the tyreck dot Com studio.
Is we will talk a little bit about Kaylyn Clark,
who had her third, let's be honest, relatively forgettable game
on Saturday. That's next. First of to Sega, what's trending.

Speaker 10 (01:07:38):
Context on the sports before we get to WNBA. Is
you mentioned Dodgers have their own channel. Before that, the
Yankee started their own channel. That's a non salary cap league.
I like the others, so people like the Mariners that
are at an immediate disadvantage compared to some of the
other teams who I think with the Dodgers contract having
their own channel, they essentially pay for the bulk of

(01:08:00):
their payroll before they ever sell one ticket every year.
That's how huge the twenty five year comes.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Is also a sore subject right now because of the
whole RSN deal with balles. Others have braves like from
I can't watch my team right now.

Speaker 10 (01:08:15):
Yeah, and then now baseball has had to overtake operations.
I mean this Padres had this problem last year. Angels,
It's yeah, it's it's not an even playing field the
context of it. As for the WNBA, the NBA has
owned half of that league. And given them an endowment annually.
So this an allowance.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Let's just go on.

Speaker 11 (01:08:34):
This covers costs.

Speaker 10 (01:08:35):
I mean, all the talk about WNBA travel, who's paying
for WNBA travel, it's the NBA. And regarding sponsorship with Vegas.
And a note about Nil, it's they mentioned it on
the broadcast today with the WNBA game. I hadn't heard
about it. Apparently it was yesterday. The annument to the players,
and that is notable. It's one hundred thousand dollars annual sponsorship,

(01:08:57):
not to the star players, every player on the leg
Las Vegas roster for this year and for next year.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
And good for them.

Speaker 10 (01:09:03):
And they are championship team and there are players on
this roster that don't make one hundred thousand dollars in
their season, so this is enormous for them. And I
guess because it's a salary cap league, I guess that's
why the WNBA would be investigating.

Speaker 11 (01:09:19):
Is this fair?

Speaker 10 (01:09:20):
And what about free agents in the future, They're all
gonna want to go to Vegas, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 10 (01:09:26):
But as far as Nil, I'm glad you guys brought
up the college football video game.

Speaker 11 (01:09:30):
That's gonna make you coming out, because with.

Speaker 10 (01:09:31):
Nil and the rulings, we're gonna have actual names of
actual college football players in it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
I have read that.

Speaker 11 (01:09:37):
There are a couple of announcing teams in the video game.
They're on, led by Rhys Davis, who said yesterday he
has over the last two years, put in two hundred
and fifty hours of work.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Oh my god, that's so unfair to Joe tessitur. Why
doesn't he just whine about it a little bit aside?

Speaker 10 (01:09:53):
He says he's put in thirty thousand ish samples or
takes working.

Speaker 11 (01:09:57):
On this video game, just for the record.

Speaker 10 (01:10:00):
And in the WNBA today, Indiana ozho to three lost
at New York ninety one point eighty New York three
and zero, led by twenty one in the second quarter
Caitlin Clark twenty two points, eight assists, eight turnovers.

Speaker 11 (01:10:11):
In the NBA.

Speaker 10 (01:10:12):
Playoffs tonight, five seed Dallas advanced to the Western Conference
Finals that start Wednesday. MAVs eliminated one seed Oklahoma City
one seventeen to one sixteen, despite trailing by sixteen points
at the half, but two free throws with two seconds
left from PJ. Washington won it. We got a couple
of game sevens to finish the second round. Tomorrow, Boston

(01:10:33):
awaits the series winner of New York.

Speaker 11 (01:10:35):
Indiana.

Speaker 10 (01:10:36):
Celtics will be hosting games one and two starting Tuesday
in the Eastern Conference Finals. In the NHL Playoff second Round.
Edmonton is still alive after ripping Vancouver tonight five to
one game seven at Vancouver on Monday. Xander Schoffley and
Colin Morikawa are tied for the lead at the PGA Championship,
up by one stroke in Louisville. Morikawa burned the final

(01:10:57):
hole today, so he's also fifteen under. There have been
so many great scores golfer to golfer throughout the weekend.
There we have thirteen golfers within five shots of the lead.
After two rounds, there were seventy eight players under par,
the most ever in the history of any major, and
now heading into Sunday, we have fifteen golfers already double

(01:11:19):
digits under par, over twice as many as there have
ever been in a major. Shane Lowry shot a third
round sixty two today that ties the record low for
a major. Last time that ever happened was Thursday. Shane
Lowry is two shots back Bryson Deshamba also two back,
and Justin Rose shot sixty four. He moved up to

(01:11:41):
a tie for seventh place, just three back Justin Thomas
five back sees. The Gray won the Preakness leading wire
to wire in Major League Baseball, Texas in thirteen innings
won the game on Fox TV tonight, beat the Angels
three to two on a basis loaded hit batter. The
San Diego in Atlanta game was rained out. They'll play
a doubleheader on Monday. Oh well, the Phillies won again.

(01:12:01):
They have won eighteen of their last twenty two games.
Phil's in ten innings beat Washington four to three on
a Bryce Harper sack fly I Phils had tied it
on a solo homer bottom of the ninth our. John
Morosi points out that with the Phillies winning yet again,
they have a four game lead in the NL East.
The Braves have not been this far out of the
division lead in over a year and a half. Since

(01:12:22):
August of twenty twenty two, Atlanta has won that division
each of the last six seasons. Back to you, thank
you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
To Saga. We'll be back in just a moment here
With the sagas extended update. Fox Sports Radio Aeron Toards
Jasmartin broadcasting live from the tyreck dot Com studios. Jmart,
Let's do the obligatory quick Caitlin Clark thing, as the
saga just said, fever fall to zero to three. Caitlyn
Clark as we speak currently this season savaging fourteen and

(01:12:50):
a half points per game, but seventeen assists, twenty one
turnovers on the season, struggling shooting from three as well
on the on the Caitlyn Clark panic Meter, How worried
are you about her her slow start here?

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
I don't really think I'm that worried. I mean, I
actually did I watched a good bit of the opener.
I didn't watch any of the second game. I'm not
even sure it was on, And I kind of kept
up on the box score a little bit today. And
I mean, she she played well. There's not a lot
around her that's very apparent. But that first game, look,

(01:13:27):
it looked like she was gonna have to get used
to the speed and the level of defense that she
was seeing because they were going at her, and she
was really keen on trying these crafty passes that worked
a lot in the Big Ten and were turnovers.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
She ain't playing Northwestern anymore, Caitlyn.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
Yeah, exact, go play inter murals, brother, Like it's all
of the it was. It just it looked like a
different class. It definitely looked like and I even you
could even see it on her, like in just some
of her reactions, like, you know, it's a different environment
and it's going to take some time. And look, wom
Migyana was unbelievable this year with the Spurs. They didn't

(01:14:10):
won a whole lot of games, though, and you know
there's something to being the first pick in the draft,
the way that it's set up, and you know, Indiana
gets that first pick with Indiana was absolutely horrendous last year,
even with Boston and some of the other stuff, like
just kind of looking into what they were going to
because I wanted to see what Caitlin was walking into.
And but I'll admit again, I knew their season was starting,

(01:14:35):
and I tuned in and streamed it as I was
also watching the NBA game on my phone, but I
paid attention to it. That has never happened before with
the WNBA, not in a championship round, not in the
day that their league debuted. Never before has that happened.
I was curious to see what it was going to
look like, and it's you know, they're not gonna win

(01:14:57):
a lot of games. And that's unfort for the television
side because the playoffs aren't going to matter because I
don't think people are tuning in and finding out. Man,
there's a lot of great players that I want to
watch in this league. All they want to do is
either see Kaitlyn Clark succeed or see her fail. That's
what it is at this point. It is the t
Bow effect, it is the Brady effect, it is whoever

(01:15:19):
it is that you want to mention. It is a
polarizing yes or no, and that's the curiosity factor. And
when that's eliminated, I just don't think they have a
league that is a marketable property.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Very interesting stuff. The Indiana Fever fall two zero and
three today in the WNBA. See what happens. I'm curious
to see how the impact of what happens if Caitlynd
Clark continues to struggle and if the Fever aren't relevant.
Fox Sports Radio ertors Jason Martin will come back to
Sager with his extended update that he gives us every
week at twelve forty five Eastern. That's next Fox Sports Radio.

(01:15:55):
Welcome back, everybody. Fox Sports Radio er Torris ja Smartin
broadcasting live from the tire req dot Com studios, as
we do every week around this time. Let's toss it
over to the news desk to the SEGA for his
extended update.

Speaker 10 (01:16:07):
Guys, that Denver Nuggets are defending NBA champs. They could
be meeting Luka Donsich in Dallas in the Western Conference
Finals that start Wednesday. We'll see Denver is hosting that
game seven Sunday night against Minnesota, but it could be
Donsich against MVP Jokic. Slovenia versus Serbia in the Western
Conference Finals. Slovenia small country in Eastern Europe, population of

(01:16:30):
about two million, so notably smaller than the city of
Los Angeles. Just for the record, however, it has been
an independent country for over thirty years independent from Yugoslavia,
and Serbia became a country after the breakup of Yugoslavia.
These two near neighboring countries are only about three hundred
and fifty miles apart, In other words, about the distance

(01:16:51):
of San Francisco to La and we could have a
best of seven with Donsich against Jokich to see who
goes to the NBA Finals, which start June six. I
will say yes, a third straight triple double for Luka Donsich,
but he also had seven turnovers tonight off the bench
Derek Lively with fifteen rebounds as the MAVs come from
behind in advance. They were down seventeen in the third quarter.

(01:17:13):
So Kyrie Irving is still undefeated in close out games
in his NBA career fourteen and oh they were up
three games to two and closed it out at home tonight.
As for the late foul and video review, it was
two late free throws that won the game for Dallas.
Oklahoma City's coach said afterwards, if it was as clear
as day foul in the corner there with two seconds left,

(01:17:34):
obviously I would not have challenged it. I would have
held on to my last time out. Instead, he challenged,
lost the challenge, lost his last time out. His reasoning was, quote,
even if you advanced the ball after a made free
throw down with two and a half seconds left, after that,
your chances are very low end quote.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Can I get a clarification on that close out stat.
I don't understand how that would work.

Speaker 10 (01:17:56):
In other words, you're up, and this is the first
time you have a chance to end the series, so you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Have to be up because I because.

Speaker 11 (01:18:03):
They were down three to one to Golden State, remember,
but they.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
That's what I'm saying, because he lost. He lost what
two times in the finals included.

Speaker 11 (01:18:10):
I was so like, tonight a chance their first chants
to close out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Yeah, this is okay. Yeah for his team, Yeah, ok, that.

Speaker 10 (01:18:17):
Makes sense for his various teams, we should say. But
PJ Washington two free throws with two seconds left. This
is a guy only had nine points, but two clutch
three pointers made with about four minutes left and the
two late free throws as well. To baseball, the San
Francisco Giants lost an outfielder for the season and a
crash to the outfield fence this week. The guy that

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subbed for him, Luis Mattos, has been incredible. Five RBIs
last night, six more today, and robbed a potential homer
at the top of the fence Already. In his first
six games where he's had played appearances this season for
the Giants, he has seventeen RBIs in those six games,
and he is the youngest player in MLB history to

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have back to back five RBI games, and runs betted
in has been an official stat for over one hundred years.
The Giants wound up winners at home today by a
fourteen to four margin in their game against Colorado, which
had won seven straight until last night's loss. Matos the hero.
Colorado's record now fifteen and thirty on the season. Meanwhile,

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if Cleveland gets a win tomorrow, their record will be
thirty and seventeen. Cleveland Guardians were up eleven to nothing
on the Twins in the ninth beat Minnesota eleven to four.
Twins have lost five straight and Jose Ramirez is still good.
Officially three homers this year after long at bats he
kept falling off pitches and hit one out today. That's
three times already with ten pitches in the at bat

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that he's ended it with a homer.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve Disager. De
Saga will be with us for another hour. Aaron Tours
and Jason Martin taking you up till two a m.
Eastern time. We'll come back. Jmart plenty more to talk about.
We'll get back to Game six in Dallas. The Mavericks o' advance.
What does it mean for them? As we get ready
for Game seven in Denver, Minnesota tomorrow. Also preview Game

(01:20:06):
seven with New York and India as well. Plus plenty
more to hit on Scottie Scheffler, maybe a little Harrison
Butker so much left on the docket. Ertrus, Jason Martin.
This is Fox Sports Radio.

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jmart Torres taking you up till two a m. Eastern time.
Chris Plank in for Bernie fratdo Bernie Fratto, I spoke
to him this week, is traveling overseas London in Paris.
I believe is where he's at. So I hope Bernie's
having a great trip and Chris Plank will be following
us one hour from now very quickly. Jason, let's uh,

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let's get into the game of the night. Game six
in Dallas, Dallas Mavericks up three to two against the
Oklahoma City Thunder. Dallas, of course can close out the
game or close out the series. Excuse me with a win.
Okse has a one point lead in the final seconds.
Dallas gets the ball back and this was the big play.

Speaker 7 (01:21:35):
Trapped along the left side with ten now against dort
one on one, driving right, backing down, had the chair
Pold spins Lewism have lost the ball, got it to Washington,
forces out up, put down, He got down, Hey got
down by Elvias Alexander with two and a half seconds.

Speaker 5 (01:21:52):
To god, oh what a terrible file there, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 8 (01:21:56):
Going on the floor with the foul occurred on the
three point shot.

Speaker 4 (01:22:00):
The challenge is unsuccessful. Dallas three three pros.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
That was I believe Dallas Mavericks Radio network and you
can hear. With Oklahoma City clinging to a one point lead,
Luca comes down, throws it into the corner.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
PJ.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Washington goes up for a three. It was challenged by
the Oklahoma City Thunder. It was ruled a foul. PJ.
Washington makes two of three file shots after that to
give to give Dallas a one point lead. Oklahoma City
misses a shot at the buzzer in the moment, it
felt controversial, but Shay gil Just Alexander, who committed the foul,

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was asked about it after the game.

Speaker 9 (01:22:38):
Should have fouled.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
There's a little bit more to that answer, but I
just want to Marry to play that one part because
that's the only part that matters is Shay gil Just
Alexander said it wasn't a foul. Mark Daganaut, the head coach,
said he didn't regret using the challenge to see if
they could get the call overturned, but ultimately Jason, the
Dallas Mavericks do advance to the Western Conference Finals. I

(01:22:59):
think it was controversial, as Mary just showed us shake.
Gilles Alexander did not think it was controversial. Mavericks advance
and they are getting set to play the winner of
tomorrow night's Minnesota and Denver Game seven in Denver.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
It just came down to that. I mean, he played
a fabulous basketball game and then right there, with two
and a half seconds left, he made contact. He did
catch the ball first, but he clearly caught PJ. Washington's
arm After that, and I say that as a thunderfan,
and I liked it. He took ownership for it. After
the fact, he even said, I mean, I can't go
back and watch it. I think he be too painful
for him, is what he was saying. But you know,

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he said, they replayed it, they looked at it, and
they still said it was a foul. So I must
have filed him like and he even said, you know,
if I could have had it back, I wouldn't have
done it. I would have let him make or miss
the shot. And so he took ownership for it, and yeah,
there's no controversy. It was kind of weird how it
was handled by the broadcast team on television. But it

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was a series where he had a very young team
against the team with a little bit more experienced, certainly
the postseason, and you had, you know, an MVP candidate,
Well I actually really had too. Luca was pretty close,
but Sga easily could have won the thing, and some
people believe that he should have won the thing, and
he certainly did nothing in this series to indicate he
shouldn't have. But this is kind of how works in

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the NBA. A lot of times you have to take
small steps. You don't go from out of the playoffs
to the NBA Finals. It doesn't work that way. You
usually have to step up. You get into the playoffs
and you go a little bit deeper, and you get
a little bit deeper, and you get a little bit deeper,
and it kind of works that way. And that's that's
what you saw here. I felt like watching the series

(01:24:38):
after Game one, generally Dallas just was a little bit
tougher and a little bit more trustworthy. And I think
Kyrieve is a major difference maker for them. And we
already had Armeya Kopa, but Kyrie Irving was a good
move for the MAVs and has been nothing short of
a positive influence. Now think about that now, Kevin Durant out,

(01:25:02):
James Harden, out Lebron James out, Kyrie Irving. In well,
Kyrie Irving has caused zero problem, zero rift. He said
zero things. I think all season that we're dumb, like
he's just gone out and played basketball and been exactly
what you would hope he would be when you signed him.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
Well, and I think the other difference is now, I
think you can argue that Kevin Durant probably is still
the Star of the Phoenix Suns. You know, Lebron, I
don't think has kind of fully accepted I'm thirty nine
years old. I can't carry a team on any given night.
It's everybody else's fault when we lose, and James Harden
is just James Harden. But part of it with Kyrie,

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I think he accepts that, like, hey, this is Lucas team.
He was here before me, He's gonna be here after me.
But I can come in. And it sounds weird for
a guy who's as talented as Kyrie Irving. But he's
a role player. Now, He's a role player that might
get you twenty one, five thirty five on any given night,
but he has he has accepted the role that has

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been presented to him. And by the way, even as
a quote unquote role player, you can have the ball
in your hands with the game on the line, making plays.
But I think that's the other thing that stands out
to Jason is that he has accepted, Hey, I'm in
a new era, a new uh yeah era of my career.
By the way, you know, I think, listen, why did
it blow up in Cleveland? Because I don't think he

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was comfortable being the number two guy with with Lebron James,
and so I think that's part of it as well.
Is hasn't caused any problems on the court, off the court,
on the quart or off the court. On the court,
he's still really, really, really good, but it seems like
he accepts that, like, hey, this is kind of Lucas team.
He's gonna be the the face on the marquee, but
I can have a very important role in what we're

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doing as well.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's right, and you know,
being able to accept that makes it makes a big
time difference for a player that's been in the league
for a while to accept a secondary role, And it
could be tough for somebody that feels like they should
have been on Alpha their entire career and has seen
this happen before, maybe when they really felt like they

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were still in their prime, to accept that responsibility and
be that guy. And Kyrie would not have been my
first choice for who would have been able to make
that kind of mental switch. And credit to him, because
Luca is a star and Kyrie never acts like the star.

(01:27:36):
Kyrie just goes in there and does the dirty work.
You think about it, this way. I think another guy
that did this exceptionally well was Dwayne Wade. Yeah, because
when Lebron got there, I mean, it was still Wades,
it was Wade's team, but once Lebron got there, it
was all about Lebron James. That was one that was
being talked about the most. Wade just went out and

(01:27:57):
played out standing basketball like all the time and showed
leadership qualities and showed maturity out there and arguably was
just as instrumental for what was happening. I don't know
that you would make the same argument for Kyrie in
terms of that latter point, but I think the former point,
there's something there that I do feel like he has

(01:28:17):
been fine to be the robin to the batman. He's
been fine being the sidekick, but he's still an all
star level player, and he does seem to be actually
enjoying himself and almost looks happy. Like after the games,
they're smiling doing postgame interviews with ESPN. He's got headphone,
Michael headset microphone on it. I'm like, this is same

(01:28:37):
Kyrie Irving, Like this is the most malecontented guy I
had seen, and you know, good for him, Like it's
good to see this guy like this, because this Kyrie
Irving is an incredible watch on the basketball floor and
him not giving you any reason to do anything but
marvel at what he's able to do on the floor,
that's a net positive big time for the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
We'll make our Game seven and Sunday predictions in the
final segment of the show. But obviously, you know, whoever
wins that Game seven, whether it's Minnesota or Denver, both
will have either I should say we'll have home court
advantage against the Dallas Mavericks and Dallas you know, we'll
have obviously a little bit of extra rest. Two questions, One,

(01:29:22):
do you think that the Mavericks should prefer or do
prefer one? And do you think they match up better
with one than the other? Maybe that's the same question,
I guess, But because I look at what happened tonight,
it's a great story in the moment, we could appreciate it.
I think both those two teams that they'll face in
the next round, either of those two teams is going

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to be a tough matchup for them. What do you
think about that, James?

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
Yeah, I do, I absolutely do. I mean, I think
maybe this is this is probably about as far as
they'll go. I think Denver is deeper, and I'm not
sure what they do against Jokic in particular. On the inside,
I just don't I don't love that for them, And
then you look at the other side, there's just size

(01:30:09):
everywhere for Minnesota and if there's anybody right now that's
on a completely different level outside of Yokachu, I mean,
what he's done's been extraordinary in the series, but this
has been Edwards postseason. This has been the coming out
party for Anthony Edwards, for anyone who had not been
paying attention already and didn't realize what he was capable
of and what he was already doing for the tee

(01:30:29):
Wolves in the regular season. If they get there, wouldn't
surprise me at all. If he wills them into the finals,
if they again, if they play with his heart, if
he's the pulse of the team, I don't think Dallas
can beat them if it wish, If it goes fluctuating
between Edwards and Anthony Towns, as it has in this series,

(01:30:52):
then I could see Dallas getting him because Dallas can
be really dangerous, and they have a couple guys who
flat out can get buckets for them at all times.
But I tend to think whoever wins Game seven between
Minnesota and Denver is going to the finals.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
By the way, I'm gonna throw a total curveball at
you that has nothing to do with that game. So
you and I have kind of been on the like,
you know, it's gonna be so obvious that media entities
will push Caitlyn Clark on down our throats. We talked
about WNBA last hour on Sports Center. They just showed
a graphic only two players in WNBA history with fifty points,

(01:31:31):
fifteen assists, and ten rebounds in their first two games. Yeah,
Caitlyn Clark and Kandas Parker. Yeah, it's like, universally we
all know that Kitlyn Clark hasn't been played very well.
It's like, what are we even doing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
I just saw it out of the court of my eye.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
I don't see it right now too. I Mean, the
thing is like that that's a great stat for an
zero to three basketball team. Like it's it's again, They're
they're gonna make everything a story. Like if you want
a reason to dislike Clark, They're gonna give you one,
because they're not gonna stop feeding you this information because
this is the only thing that's going to keep you
paying attention to news about that leak. That's just the

(01:32:08):
way it is.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Yeah, And if you want a reason not to like her,
it's because, hey, it's okay to actually criticize her as well.
She's struggling. That's fine. It's not the end of the world,
but it is the end of the series in Dallas. Yeah,
cape full circle on that one. As the Dallas Mavericks
beat the Oklahoma City Thunder, they will face the winner
of tomorrow or Sunday's Game seven between Denver and Minnesota.

(01:32:30):
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(01:32:55):
in the NBA, but of course obviously a champion will
be crowned at the PGA Champion and Boy Oh boy,
what a week it's been at Valhalla. We'll talk a
little bit about Scottie Scheffler and maybe a little bit
about Harrison Bucker as well, two very intriguing stories from
this week. This is Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back, everybody.

(01:33:16):
Fox Sports Radio Errator's Jason Martin broadcasting live from the
tire rack dot Com studios. As we mentioned before the break,
in addition to two game seven's in the NBA, on Sunday,
w'at's get the final round with the PGA Championship at
the Valhalla Golf Course in Louisville, Valhallo Golf Club. Excuse me.

(01:33:41):
Colin Moorekamma and Xander Schaffley tied at fifteen under par.
They will tee off at two thirty Eastern time. Jaymart
that's not really the story that uh, most people are
focused on Colrond of Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:33:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
I will say man Schoffley has been really good this week.
And I've told you before on this show that when
Colin Morikawa is firing, there may be almost nobody better
like he can be absolutely frightening. I don't think he's
ever had or shared the lead after the third round
of a major, so this is a it's kind of

(01:34:16):
an unfamiliar place for him to be up top, even
though he's ended up at top. Uh, he's he's that's a.
That's a great final pairing, just gonna have out there.
From a golf standpoint, I was gonna ask it feels
like there's a lot of big names on the leader board.
Shane Lowry two shots off lead, Victor Hoblin two shots
off the lead, Bryson d.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
Chambeau two shots off lead. Anything from the golf perspective
before we get to the police blotter perspective that stands
out to you about this week.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
No other than I mean, you know, Tiger was feeling
good coming in and I saw this story and I said, man,
don't do this. I know, like I saw the story
and I just immediately thought, it's it's it's not it's
not gonna happen. And he ends up having a horrible
finish and you know, one of the worst rounds he's
ever played, and like, it's it's hard at this point
because I know it's still so much fun to watch him,

(01:35:03):
but it's just not what it once was. And you
hate seeing it, you hate feeling this way and that's unfortunate,
So that would be my only other real takeaway.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
Yeah, you know, listen, I it it feels just like exhausting.
I'm not a golf fan, so it doesn't really bother me,
but like it's so obvious that he's really just physically
not built to compete at the highest level for seventy
two holes, and I still find it like amazing of like,
like you said, like these headlines and well, you know,

(01:35:35):
Tiger's feeling good and ty and it's just like it's
we had our moment at the Masters a few years ago.
Even that was what twenty nineteen, that was five years ago.
That was before the car crash. Like it's just not
gonna happen anyway. Let's really quickly switch gears because I
do want to talk Harrison Butker on the other end.
But Sky's Cheffer stuff was wild man. So I mean, me,

(01:35:58):
being on the West Coast, I will up to the news.
I actually woke up to the the booking had already happened,
the mug shot was already out, and then it was
obviously a huge catchup for me from there. I think
everybody knows the details by now. But really, unfortunately you know,
there was a tragic accident first thing in the morning,
about five am Eastern time. One of the shuttle buses

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tragically actually hit somebody and killed somebody. So because of it,
there was additional police presence. It was slow to get
into the course. Scotty Scheffler had an early tea time.
He tries to kind of drive around a barricade or whatever,
drives onto a curb. A cop is not happy with
that cop when he tries to pull away, jumps on
the car and Scotty Scheffler's arrested and he said after

(01:36:42):
it was a misunderstanding. He apologized, he thanked law enforcement,
but just some quick thoughts from you, Jason before he
gets it to Sack.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
The whole thing was a mess. It's really unfortunate. Obviously,
what gets lost in this is somebody lost their life,
and of course we're you know, we're talking about the
end where ultimately, you know, no one lost a life
that was involved in the actual altercation here. I don't know,

(01:37:10):
like you know, you saw what Scheffler's attorney said, which is,
you know, he was told this is how he needed
to enter the golf club. He was attempting to do
that there was a misunderstanding. What I don't like is,
you know, he drove you know, the equivalent of about
thirty feet something like that, and he's got a dude
jumping on the car and dragging him out. He's the
attorney say, he's trying to roll down his window to ask,

(01:37:31):
you know, to talk to the guy, and the guy
like pulled him out and throw him against the thing,
and you know, all of these things are happening. It
seems like on its face that the officer here got
a little over his skis, maybe got a little aggressive,
a little excited in the moment, lost his head a

(01:37:52):
little bit. And at the same time what Scheffler was doing.
Because I wasn't there, I don't know, like I know
that yesterday I guess, well, I guess it would have
been Friday, our guy Dan Bayer, who we really like,
you know, he said, this was clearly Scheffler's fault. When
a police officer says something, you do it this is well,
I don't know, because I don't know if Scheffler understood
what he was being asked to do. I just feel

(01:38:13):
like this whole thing was the part of it that
really concerned me or bothered me about it was that
there were other golfers who said they did exactly what
Scheffler was trying to do to get into the golf
course and nothing happened. So, and I don't know if
they communicated it said well, Scotty, this is how we

(01:38:34):
got in or whatever. There's a lot that we don't know,
and there's not bodycm footage we know that, and you
know all of those kinds of things. I just think
it's a really unfortunate, gigantic misunderstanding where things like this
can just happen and you don't I just don't want
to rush to blame either side, but I don't think,

(01:38:55):
like Dan saying it was clearly Scotty's fault, I'm not
willing to go there at all because I just think
there's there's way too much unknown about this. My first
inclination was this officer went a little bit further than necessary,
got a little bit just got a little bit excited
in the moment, and kind of made a judgment call

(01:39:17):
that was a little bit more than he should have.
That was just my initial thought. I was also kind
of blown away that, well, you know what, I wasn't
I'm not surprised Scheffler got back out there and played well,
A little surprised that he came back out today and
did what he did. But when you really think about it,
there was no there was a lot of adrenaline going yesterday.
There was nothing today, or there was nothing on Saturday.

(01:39:37):
And as such, I think he just kind of went
out and make that had to take some kind of
a toll undamentally, Like even if he goes out there
with the adrenaline, he goes off the course last night,
what was that like? Like just thinking about the day
that he had just had and everything else, and then
it coming apart for him on two three and four today.
Maybe we should have seen that coming.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
Yeah, yeah, no, I think think really quickly, that's all.
My takeaway is kind of the same as yours is.
I think the officer probably over probably almost certainly overreacted
a little bit. I find it hard to believe that
Scotty Scheffler did something that you know that that every
other uh, you know, golfer was able to get in

(01:40:20):
without problems, and Scotty Scheffler did. I just wonder if
there was some sort of something that that maybe he
escalated the situation as well. I'll also say this. I thought,
you know, our buddy Colin Cowhard I was listening to
him yesterday, brought up a great point. It's like, you know,
like it is kind of wild that, like, you know,
every golfer is just driving their own rental car in

(01:40:41):
and and you know, I mean it's besides and by
the way, I should also reference too, like and I'm
not being facetious when I say this, like somebody just
died on the scene, like it was a heightened moment
of tension for everybody. Scotty Schefler obviously has no idea.
He's probably fired up because he just wanted to fired
up from the perspective, wants to get to the course.
And I'm not gonna be late for my tea time.

(01:41:02):
Am I gonna be out of my routine? But I
also understood, like I'm not, you know, and we're gonna
you know, I'm not defending police, you know, over policing.
But it's like it was clearly a hostile moment in time.
It's pitch blackout, nobody knows what's going on, and I
you know, but Coward brought up the point of, like,
you know, how is it that you know football teams.

(01:41:25):
You know, not only do football teams of a police escort,
but the media who covers the games, like you know,
Joe Buck and Troy Aikman get a police escort to
the games. But you know, the number one player in
the world is driving in like everybody else is and
so but.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
Not everybody does that. That's the thing that was weird,
like what Colin says, right, But like one of the
points that was being made was that the golfers that
were going in that were waved in. There were guys
that did exactly what Scotty did, but they had some
kind of marking on their car where the vehicle that
they were in had something that indicated who they were

(01:41:59):
as to it just being their personal vehicle. Like I
don't know if it was provided by a sponsor or,
if it was something, but it was something on the
car itself that made it obvious where they were going
and who they were. And from the report, they were
waved right through. And so Scotty comes through, but he
doesn't have that marketing because I guess he's just driving

(01:42:20):
his own vehicle or driving a rental or something like that,
and he doesn't get that same treatment and then this
incident happens. That's what I saw where I was just
kind of like, well, seems like everybody should be driving
a car that indicates who they are in that spot
because he is a professional golfer going to a professional

(01:42:42):
golf event. He's actually the number one golfer in the world.
As a matter of fact, it seems like the other
guys that were already there or that it got through
this police situation being in a car. It just seems
like Scotty should have been in a car exactly like that,
like that that seems like it should be kind of
versely applied. So that's similar to Collins point, except that

(01:43:03):
there were some that had some kind of a vehicle
like that and they got through this without a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
Interesting scenario over there at Valhalla again, Colin more Kama
and Xander Schaffley with the lead going into the final round.
Fox Sports Radio Aeron Tors Jason Martin taking you up
till two a m. Eastern time. I will come back.
We'll talk about certainly another interesting topic that developed over
the course of the last week before you do tho.
Let's get over the desk final time this evening to
Sega what is trend and.

Speaker 10 (01:43:29):
Shaft against Morikawa at San Diego State against cal Did
you see the UC regents vote here with UCLA leaving
the U well, leaving the PAC twelve and leaving the
UC system high and drive not having packed twelve anymore.
They actually are demanding the UCLA pay cal ten million
a year for the next three years. The headline is

(01:43:51):
UCLA ordered to pay calimony.

Speaker 3 (01:43:54):
Oh God, that's worse than you thought it was. By
the way.

Speaker 10 (01:43:59):
Number one, Scottie Scheffler shot seventy three today and fell
eight shots behind at the PGA, And you mentioned Tiger
Woods not golfing this weekend, nowhere close to the cut
line at seven over par. Perhaps time to add him
to the list. And it's a long list of superstar
athletes over the years who just should have stopped playing
Babe Ruth at the end or Pete Rose. Their most

(01:44:20):
famously Willie Mays, who was one of the greats of
all time and betted two to eleven his final year
and stumbled through the World Series. Xanderschoffley and Morikawa tied
for the lead at the PGA, up.

Speaker 11 (01:44:30):
By one stroke. In Louisville.

Speaker 10 (01:44:32):
Shane Lowry has two shots back after a third round
sixty two. A reminder, NASCAR's All Star Race is Sunday
night on FS one eight pm Eastern time. Today's heats
were canceled due to rain. Joey Logano earned the poll
for Sunday. The rest of today's Truck Series event was
postponed to Tomorrow morning on FS one. Boxing has not
had an undisputed heavyweight champ since Lennox Lewis in nineteen

(01:44:55):
ninety nine.

Speaker 11 (01:44:56):
They have one now.

Speaker 10 (01:44:57):
It's Alexander Usik, who suffered a broke jaw but did
win a split decision in Saudi Arabia over Tyson Fury,
who had been undefeated. Usik, who lives in Ukraine, is
twenty two and oh he knocked down Fury in the
ninth round. A rematch is planned for the same place
RhoD in October. Sees the Gray won the Preakness, leading
wire to wire on a money track in Baltimore despite

(01:45:19):
nine to one odds in this field of eight. Derby
winner Misstic Dan finished second. The Belmont Stakes will be
June eighth at Saratoga Race Course north of Albany, New York,
due to construction at Belmont and the Preakness in a
couple of years will not be at Pimlico. Also due
to construction to the NBA Playoffs, the Dallas Mavericks eliminated
the top seed in the West Oklahoma City, winning Game

(01:45:39):
six in a comeback Tonight one seventeen one sixteen on
two free throws with two seconds left by PJ. Washington
Luka Donsich with another triple double. Ap points out that
Dallas decided to tank at the end of last season
to try to preserve a draft choice, even when they
had a mathematical chance to make the play in tournament
a year ago. The draft choice turned out to be

(01:46:02):
Derek Lively, who had fifteen points off the bench, and
by the way, that was a pick acquired from the
Thunder in the first round.

Speaker 11 (01:46:09):
So there were other teams like Utah or Washington drafting
ahead who did not take Lively, who wound up having
although he didn't play every game, certainly wound up having
a very good rookie year, thank you, at nine points
and seven rebounds per game. So Sunday afternoon, Indiana at
New York at Game seven. Denver Sunday Night hosts a
Game seven against Minnesota in the NHL Playoffs, Edmonton beat

(01:46:32):
up Vancouver five to one. A Game seven of that
second round series is at Vancouver on Monday. The team
USA hockey coach for the twenty twenty six Olympics will
be Mike Sullivan of the Penguins. Mark Wells, from the
nineteen eighty US Olympic Hockey team, died Friday at the
age of sixty seven. It was announced today. He was
from Detroit. He had two goals and an assist at

(01:46:52):
Lake Placid in twenty ten. Wells had medical issues and
had to sell his gold medal to Major League Baseball.
The Yankees won their six straight. Phillies won again a
ten inning victory ten inning win for Miami as well.
Cubs won nothing over Pittsburgh with a run in the
bottom of the ninth. Cleveland won again. Kansas City sent
Oakland to a seventh straight loss. Milwaukee won four to

(01:47:13):
two at Houston, beating Justin Verlander. That ends Houston's six
game winning streak. Texas had the game on Fox TV
tonight and beat the Angels three two and thirteen innings
on a basis loaded hit batter. Seattle won at Baltimore
four to three on FS one there's a three hour
rain delay at the start of that one. San Diego
at Atlanta rained out doubleheader On Monday. Saint Louis with
five runs bottom of the eighth beat Boston seven to two.

(01:47:36):
Detroit and pitcher Jack Flaherty won at Arizona eight to three.
The Dodgers and pitcher Walker Buehler won four nothing over Cincinnati.
Bueller with six scoreless innings seven strikeouts. It's his first
major league win in two years. Ti Oscar Hernandez of
LA with an RBI single. He has thirty seven runs
batted in, tied for third in the major leagues and
finally in the UFL. Another win for the Birmingham Stallions

(01:47:59):
thirty five twenty eight over the Houston Roughnecks is Adrian
Martinez had three touchdown passes two touchdown runs. Attendance ten thousand.
There's a game on Fox TV tomorrow from the Alamodome,
San Antonio against Arlington. By the way, those Birmingham Stallions
seven and oh there will be in the conference final
next month.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
Back to you, thank you very much, Steve de Sager,
Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday or Sunday, depending on
where you are. Eric Towards Jason Martin broadcasting live from
the tyreck dot Com studios to segers Off for the evening.
He will be back tomorrow on Sunday. Chris Plank following
us at the top of the hour. Tell you what, Jason,
let's let's come back, and I do want to talk

(01:48:39):
a little bit about that Harrison Bucker News of the Week.
We'll make our predictions for Game seven in New York
and Denver. That's all next. One segment left Fox Sports Radio.
Welcome back everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Eric Towards Jason Martin
broadcasting live from the tiraq dot Com studios. One segment left,

(01:48:59):
sen more minutes. Then we are tossing over to Chris Plank.
Chris Blank in for Bernie Fratto. Chris Plank on from
two to six am Eastern, getting you ready for what's
gonna be a crazy Sunday in both golf and the
NBA two game sevens. We will give our preview and
predictions for both of those.

Speaker 3 (01:49:17):
Jason.

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
Before we get to it, though, you know, I've been
saving this because I you know, I want to make
sure we have enough time to really dive into this.
But I actually just heard Covino and Rich talking about
this during the break. I don't know if all the
audience heard the uh heard the conversation. But Harrison Bucker
Kicker for the for the Kansas City Chiefs, was a
commencement speaker at a religious college earlier. I guess it

(01:49:41):
was last weekend, and you know, he made quite a
few headlines for some of the things that he said
in that speech. We obviously don't have time to play
all of it, but I do want to play the
part that certainly caught a lot of people's attention. Here
is part of Harrison Butker's commencement speech that he just
days ago.

Speaker 12 (01:50:01):
I think it is you, the women who have had
the most diabolical lies told to you. How many of
you are sitting here now about to cross this stage
and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you
are going to get in your career. Some of you
may go on to lead successful careers in the world,
but I would venture to guess that the majority of
you are most excited about your marriage and the children

(01:50:21):
you will bring into this world. I'm on this stage
today and able to be the man I am because
I have a wife who leans into her location and
embrace one of the most important titles of all Holemaker
wouldn't be met with anger, but instead met with excitement
and pride, not the deadly sin sort of pride that
has an entire month dedicated to it. Things like abortion, IVF, surrogacy, euthanasia,

(01:50:45):
as well as a growing support for degenerate cultural values
in media, all stem from the pervasiveness of disorder.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
That was Harrison Bucker. It is worth noting, by the way, Jason,
he was speaking at Benedictine College, which is a Catholic
liberal arts school. So you know, I think whether you
agree with what he said or not, and we'll get
to your opinion and certainly mine as well here in
a minute. It is worth noting, like and I was

(01:51:14):
talking to producer Ian and Mary Mack a minute ago
about this, Like, he wasn't speaking at Warton School of Business,
he wasn't speaking at Yale Law Schools graduation. You know,
the context matters, But I'm curious for your thoughts on
the speech as a whole. And I'll just mention one
other thing as well, is that we can't get to

(01:51:34):
all of it. There's a lot of it. I also
listen to a clip today where he talks a lot about,
you know, what he deems to be important male roles,
which are providing for a family, making sure that you're
a present father. You know that the single parent household
epidemic in America is something holding back our society in general.

(01:51:55):
So I want to make it clear that it wasn't
just opinions on the role that he believes that women
should pursue, but also men as well.

Speaker 3 (01:52:04):
Jason, I hate this because nothing Harrison Butker said was wrong,
whether you agree with it or not. And there most
of the people aren't saying you shouldn't have a right
say it. I get that. And if you want to,
then criticize what he says, and you have every right

(01:52:24):
to do that, because there's no test of free speech
until it's something you disagree with. If you believe it
should be shut down simply because it's not what you
what you think is right, then you don't really believe
in free speech. You can abhor what's being said but
still defend the right of whoever's saying it to say it.

(01:52:48):
But in this case, Harrison Butker is speaking from a
traditional Catholic perspective. Now, I'm an Evangelical Protestant, and full disclosure.
I am enrolled currently at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary and
am working towards ministry, and actually just preached at a

(01:53:09):
church for the first time six days ago, and so
I listened to what he said and I thought, wow,
I mean, I feel like we should be standing up
and applauding this, because he's not saying don't go for
a career. He's saying that being a mother and being
a wife is arguably the most important thing that you

(01:53:30):
could do. It's the most important vocation that you could have.
There's no real higher calling that you could have than
being a wife and mother and by the way, being
a father and husband. Yep as well. I think that
some of the nuance gets lost because you immediately want
to attach something to this, as you know, this is
the patriarchy or this is all this. This was not

(01:53:52):
a hateful commentary, nor was it a stay in the
kitchen commentary or anything to that degree. This was basic,
longtime traditional Catholic doctrine, which he believes in staunchly. He
was speaking to Catholic to people at a Catholic university,

(01:54:13):
a very Catholic university. And the other thing that I
think has been lost here. And this isn't just the
Butcker side of it. We have seen all sorts of
outrageous stuff said in commencement addresses by people that because

(01:54:34):
it's like, well why do you why do you have
a kicker at your commencement address? Well, why do you
have Jerry Seinfeld or anybody else? Like Seinfeld got booed
because of the whole situation with Israel and Palestine and
all this, Like there's all these kinds of things. But
there've been politicians, there've been Hollywood celebrities, there've been professional athletes,
and they all like it was why is he saying

(01:54:55):
this in the middle of a commencement d dress when
we're supposed to be talking about the future? Well, okay,
pot kettle, because this happens all the time. And what
he was doing was speaking to the faith of the
people that he was actually speaking to. He's speaking on
behalf of the faith that's behind that university. He's speaking
behind his own faith, and he was basically suggesting he
couldn't have achieved what he's been able to achieve without

(01:55:18):
the support of his wife and what she's been able
to do and how she's been able to take care
of the home, and he teared up talking about it.
He's not trying to bury women. I think there's a
lot that gets lost in this because you want to
immediately knee jerk this and not realize that he's just
speaking from a traditional masculine point of view. No, there's

(01:55:38):
nothing toxic about this. I hated this because he's getting
pilloried because people want to find some reason why this
is wrong when it really is.

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
Not well And you know first first of all, And
I hate, like, I hate even saying this on air,
because our job is to have opinions on everything. I
just find it very hard to get worked up about
any thing anyone says, because everyone is entitled to their opinions.
Everyone has different backgrounds, and the background that you have,

(01:56:08):
you know, indicates the opinion that you're going to have.
And so did I agree with every single word that
he said?

Speaker 3 (01:56:16):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
Probably not, But I don't. By the way, I don't
agree with everything every single word my wife says. My
wife certainly doesn't agree with every single word that I say.
But I've never once told her you're not allowed to
say that. She certainly never told me you're not allowed
to say that, and I think that's one my problem
is the idea that because you say, because somebody I

(01:56:38):
guess that's just my fundamental issue with all of this
is and this is not just a Harrison Bucker thing.
It's the idea that because somebody says something that you
disagree with, that they're not entitled to speak ever again.
And I just don't like that. And I think, you know,
everyone's entitled to their opinion. I don't have to listen

(01:56:59):
to an opinion I disagree with. I don't have to
agree with opinion I disagree with. And now, as far
as this one's concerned, like you said, I think a
lot of people took a lot of liberties to twist
things into ways that they wanted to hear. All I
heard was and listen, and I heard Covino and Rich
talking about this during the break is. I don't think
it was necessarily presented in a perfect tone, but I

(01:57:22):
think the message was pretty clear. It's the message was
what you said, Jason. I did not hear women should not.

Speaker 3 (01:57:28):
Be in the workplace.

Speaker 2 (01:57:29):
I did not hear women are incapable of doing any job.
All I heard was that, hey, you know, you know,
don't let society tell you that being a mother isn't
a very isn't a very important, if not the most
important role. Being a wife is the most important role,
you know. So it bothered me the reception to it.

(01:57:52):
And like I said, I would encourage everybody, we don't
do this in society now, but to go and listen
to the entire speech because in the entire speech, again,
he talks a lot about the He talks a lot
about the idea of about the idea of of of
masculine roles and being there as a husband and a

(01:58:13):
father as well. By the way, producer producer Ian just
sent us that there is a petition to have Harrison Bucker.

Speaker 3 (01:58:20):
Kicked off the Chiefs absolutely two.

Speaker 2 (01:58:22):
Hundred thousand signatures. Well guess what, I'll tell you what
where was the petition when they drafted Tyreek Hill who
choked and kicked his pregnant wife. I don't remember the
petition for that one.

Speaker 3 (01:58:31):
Jason to you, Yeah, well, look, Harrison Bucker was also
the second most efficient kicker in the league, I know,
so he's not going to be released. I It's just
it's crazy to me because you talk about the twisting.
So one of the things that I have learned in
my short time working towards this master's in Divinity and

(01:58:54):
getting into ministry is that the job of a pastor
the job of anyone is not to read into God's word.
It is to actually open scripture and see what the
intent was. What does God want me to take from this?
Not what preconceived information did I take into this that
I can then find a way to make it work.

(01:59:16):
What you encourage people to do, I would encourage them
to do as well. Go listen to the speech in
its entirety, and do not go in there saying I'm
looking for him to say this, or try to or
try to try to assume what he's saying. First, actually
see it. Actually listen to it and say what is

(01:59:36):
he actually saying? Not what do I want to vilify
him for saying? Or what do I want to laud
him for saying? What is he actually saying? We don't
do that enough? Is that is a critical skill?

Speaker 2 (01:59:48):
Here one word answer. Jason Denver Minnesota Game seven on Sunday, Denver,
New York or Indiana Game seven on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:59:56):
New York.

Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
I will go with Indiana. I think New York's super
banged up. I will go with Denver to win that game.
We gotta get out of here. We'll thank the crew.
Mary mack Ian bri in the back did a ton
of great work as well for the SEGA. I'm ere Torres.
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