Aaron Torres & Jason Martin react to the Eagles Super Bowl Win, Caitlin Clark declining the NBA All Star Game, Dak Prescott’s questionable comments & MORE!

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jmart First and foremost. Man, I know there's some scary
weather rolling through your neck of the woods. I know
you're on air, so everything must be okay for the moment.
But you're holding up okay down there.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
My man, everything's good. Wind is picking up. We'll see
what happens tonight. Hopefully, hopefully it just be a lot
of rain, but there's definitely the possibility for some more.
So we're gonna see what happens over the next three
hours and overnight and just hope everybody is safe. And
if you end up getting stuck out in the car
for a little long longer and you happen to be
in my neck of the woods, here in Tennessee or

(01:02):
somewhere else to stealing with a storm. Hopefully we'll be
able to entertain you over the next three hours.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Hopefully we will be able to entertain you. And there
is you know, I feel like all things consider a
lot to talk about Waldewall college hoops. We will talk
a little bit about whatever is left of this All
Star weekend, g leaguers winning the dunk contest. I think
we have four different teams competing next tomorrow night on
the All Star Game itself. Yeah, Adam Silver also with

(01:28):
some very interesting comments about Luca, So we'll get to
all that in a minute. But Jaymart, you and I
obviously been in this time slot for quite a while
now Saturday night, which means that this is really the
first time that we are getting a chance to react
to a little thing that people call the Super Bowl. Listen,
I know that that if you've been plugged into Fox
Sports Radio, you've gotten Waldawall coverage from everybody across the

(01:51):
networks over the last couple of days. But it doesn't
change the fact that this is still a major story,
major ramifications, major repercussions. The Helfhy Eagles are your Super
Bowl champs, winning forty to twenty two in a game that,
as we all know, really wasn't that close. They were
up thirty four to six heading into the fourth chord
before the Kansas City Chiefs put up a couple of

(02:12):
garbage touchdowns. We're gonna break this game down from a
lot of different angles, but just kind of want to
give you the floor, your whatever, not first thoughts because
we're a week removed, but just your big whatever. The
first thing is that stands out to you when talking
about last Sunday Super.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Bowl, Well, the question that I asked before I ended
up picking the Eagles, as did you, was can Philadelphia
bee Tampa Bay from a couple of years ago? And
the answer was a resounding yes. The defense was formidable,
to say the least, and Kansas City just didn't have

(02:48):
any answers, nor did they have any adjustments when it
came down to it. But I do think that maybe
the first thing that we all need to do is
step back and appreciate jo Onen Hurts a little more
than we do, because this is the second Super Bowl
against Patrick Mahomes where I think he outplayed him. This
one was much more, was a much bigger difference, and again,

(03:12):
the defenses were not comparable between these two. But Jay
when Hurts has showed up and showed out in big
games throughout his career, and he's been doubted over and
over again. He's also one of the easiest guys to
root for in all of pro sports, dating back to
everything that happened to him in college, the way he

(03:33):
reacted and responded to it with grace and dignity, and
just everything that he has said since, and the way
he's conducted himself in Philadelphia as an Eagle very likable.
I don't find that team to be particularly likable, but
I find Jay when Hurts to be particularly likable. So
I think before we start tearing down the Kansas City
dynasty and tearing down the statues of Patrick Mahomes and

(03:54):
Andy Reid and all of the stuff that we can do,
I think the first thing we need to do is
appreciate that Jayenhard has done something Josh Allen hasn't been
able to do. Lamar Jackson hasn't been able to do.
Almost nobody in this league has been able to do
what he has done to Patrick Mahomes in games that
Mahomes is supposed to dominate. And that's my first takeaway

(04:15):
is that Hurts showed up and they didn't even need
sa Kuon Barkley in this game.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, you know, it's old as cliche, and it was
a cliche that they talked about on the broadcast and
everybody's talked about since. But if you went into the
game and you told, obviously everybody that Steve Spagnola's defense
was gonna hold Saquon Barkley to fifty seven yards rushing
two point three yards per carry, you think that Kansas
City wins going away. And so I do think it
was Jalen Hurts. And the story is incredible, and by

(04:42):
the way, he was phenomenal on Sunday. To me, the
biggest story is what you and I talked about last week.
And the reason that I picked the Philadelphia Eagles is,
I know there's this narrative of y oh, you can't
bet against Mahomes, and obviously, you know, maybe that narrative
is a little bit different now than it was a
week ago. But I just went back and I and
I really said, listen, the Chiefs have great individual parts,

(05:05):
but the Philadelphia Eagles are a much better team. One
to fifty three and I laid it out last week
and I'll do it again here, is that if you
really looked at just about every position, you would say
position group by position group. Other than quarterback, Philadelphia Eagles
were better, obviously a better running back at Saquon Barkley,
obviously better wide receivers with AJ Brown and Devonte Smith.

(05:27):
I would argue at this point in his career, Dallas
Goddard is better. Although obviously I understand that the Mahomes
Kelsey chemistry outside of Sunday is phenomenal, and then you
go to the defense and it's pretty much the same,
and so that to me is the biggest thing. But
then I think you can also take your point and
marry it with my point, and you could pretty easily
come to understand why Philadelphia won that game.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Sure, better at pretty.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Much every spot, But then Jalen Hurts was also phenomenal.
And you know, I've never been somebody that's you know,
and this has nothing to do with you know, the
story and the narrow in Alabama and all that, But
I've never been somebody that, even as a pro, has
sat there and said, oh, you know, Jalen Hurts, isn't
this or Jalen Hurts, isn't that Like Listen, I don't
think he's in that upper upper upper tier. I don't

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think because he played one incredible game that puts him
in that upper upper upper tier. But I did always
think that, you know, he was capable on a big
stage of having a game like this. So yeah, I
don't know that it's really a take. It's just kind
of a big picture thought. Is that when you're already
better at every position group and you have a really
good quarterback that plays at an eight plus level, and

(06:33):
your defense, you know, puts the other quarterback in a
position to not play his best again, I think he
can pretty easily figure out how how that game got
so one sided so quickly.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, I mean the Chiefs pick was fully reliant upon
the fact that this is what they do. It certainly
wasn't mirrored, and it wasn't it wasn't there if you
looked at the two rosters, there was one team that
was far better than the other. When the question was
was that going to matter? And the truth was yes,

(07:03):
it did. It mattered tremendously to the point where I
turned off the Super Bowl when it was still a
shutout because I knew. I was just like, I'm done here,
Like there's there's more that there's better things that I
could be doing with my evening at this standpoint, at
this stage than waiting around to you know, see the
Eagles finish this off. There was not going to be
a comeback here. There wasn't going to be anything that happens.

(07:25):
I understand it was forty to twenty two. Nobody thinks
it was that close. It just was what it was.
Eagles were the best team and you know, you look
at you look at them in the Lions. I think
maybe those are the only two teams in that conference
that could have done what we saw there. But this
Eagles team was built to win like this. They were constructed, well,
they were put together well. You know, we haven't talked

(07:48):
about Nick Sirianni yet. He certainly wouldn't do anything. He
didn't do anything to hurt them, sure at all like that.
That's That's what I'll say after this. I don't know
how responsible he is for the success, and that sounds
like a back ended compliment, but we know there's some
issues there at times. But I do think that his
emotion reflects in the way that they play, and that's

(08:11):
a positive in terms of there's a nastiness to them.
There's an arrogance to them, there's a cockiness to them.
There's almost like a almost a loose cannon feel at
times to just the energy and the enthusiasm with which
they play football. Again, x's and o's and all those things,
I don't know, but they certainly showed up against that

(08:34):
Chiefs team. And as dominant as that Bucks team was
that beat them years ago, this was far worse. This
was one where there's a sting on this, and there's
a stink on this that is going to take a
couple of showers to get off if you're the Kansas
City Chiefs, because this was a bad look for them,
Like this was. This felt like an exposure in a

(08:56):
lot of ways.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
You know, we have a lot of different topics laid
up from this game, and we'll get some of them,
maybe some of them we don't. But big picture, let's
talk about the Chiefs ser a minute, because you know
one thing for me, and listen, by the way, most
teams do have holes. You mentioned the Lions and the
Eagles certainly the most complete rosters, but but even the
Buffalo Bills. They don't have a number one wide receiver,

(09:18):
they don't have this, they don't have that. The Ravens
have some issues. Everybody has something. It does feel like
the Kansas City. I don't know, like like I want
to do exactly what you said to lead the show,
which is not just pile on the Chiefs and they
were overrated all year and they were terrible all year
and bought no but you know, we go back to

(09:41):
all the one score games Jmart and I do think
that was probably a symptom of the bigger issue, which
is that, you know, I thought Mahomes this year honestly
played the way that he did because he knew I
don't have any elite wide receivers. Maybe Xavier Worthy gets
there someday, maybe, but we don't have the deep threats.

(10:01):
Travis Kelsey is clearly not the player that he was,
And like I like, I think like it's a credit
to them that they won all those close games, but
I also think that you know, it was also they
were in so many close games, not because they were coasting,
not because they were getting ready for the postseason, not
because they were distracted, but maybe just because they were

(10:24):
way more limited than we realized that. It took a
game like this to to expose that. Do you think
that's a crazy take for me or you think it's
pretty spot on?

Speaker 3 (10:32):
No, I think that's right. I mean I think that
Chris Jones is still a beast Mahomes. It's not like
Mahomes is not as good as we all thought he
was in terms of his overall talent. Kelsey has one
foot out the door. Whether or not he comes back
and plays next year or not, he has one foot
out the door and he's gonna make a ton of
money in his next career and he's gonna go down
as maybe the greatest side end we've ever we've ever seen.

(10:55):
But there is a spot where DeAndre Hopkins is a
name that would have mattered a lot more five years
ago than it does now. You mentioned Xavier Worthy. He
hasn't become Tyreek Hill yet. He's fast, but he's not
Tyreek Hill, and so we'll see whether or not he
can develop into that. But we have hit that spot
where when you look around this league, you see other

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teams that are put together better, that have more depth
on multiple sides of the ball, that you fear more
and eventually It's just like, how many times are you
going to rely on Patrick Mahomes to bail you out?
Because what we saw more and more this year was
them skating by and that's still impressive, but the thing is,
you can't do it consistently enough. They did it this year,

(11:38):
but you can't live like that. Eventually you're gonna die
doing stuff like that. Eventually you're gonna get beat you're
gonna get knocked out of the playoffs, you're gonna get
knocked down a peg or two if you continue to
try and do that. And I think that's what it was.
The Chiefs just I wouldn't say they coasted. They just escaped.
They escaped multiple times, and that's what champions often do.

(12:01):
But eventually they ran into a roster that did not
beat themselves, at which point the Chiefs had to be
better than they were, and we saw on Sunday they
just flat out weren't. Philadelphia was the far better football
team on both sides of the ball, as well as
on special teams, and I would even say on the
sidelines they were better on this particular day as well.

(12:21):
The way they called plays, the way they adjusted, the
way the defense swarm, the football. You could tell pretty
early on, even though Mahomes has played poorly in most
of the first halves, that all the first halves that
he's played in the Super Bowl, you just knew watching
this that Philadelphia was better. If Kansas City won it,
it was gonna be because of mahomes heroics, and he

(12:42):
just didn't have it. This is one of the worst
games I've ever seen him play.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, And that was kind of one of my takeaways
as well, is that, you know, first of all, I
think part of the reason just didn't play well is
the old line couldn't block. But like it's funny, right again,
you go to the you never bet against Mahomes and
you never doubt them, And it was like, I don't
know about you, j Mart, but it was pretty early
where I was kind of like, you know, I thought
Philly was gonna win, yeah, but like Kansas City has

(13:09):
no shot. I don't know about you, but like for me,
I was basically by the end of the first quarter,
and I forget all the scenarios. I think somebody had
a really long drive in the first The first quarter
went by really quick, but it's probably like middle of
the second quarter. I was like this game's over. And
then obviously you know the Cooper Degene picked six and whatever,
and then it really was over. But I don't know,

(13:30):
I mean, I'm looking right now, Philly was up seven
to nothing after the first quarter.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Feel like you just had a feeling. I mean, it's
not even like it was a specific play. It was
just an overall sense that this was going to be
Philadelphia's night. And this was the other This is the
part where I really started to sense it. It was just
like they were doing what they were doing early in
the game, and you mentioned right there up until you know,
last five minutes whatever, the second quarter, it was completely

(13:56):
their football game, and say Kwan Barkley had basically done nothing,
and it was just like what happens if they get
him loose? Because if they get him loose. The other
thing was King Kansas City score before the half and
then get the football or you know whatever. All these
different scenarios and all this then you start to look
at us and know everything favors Philadelphia going forward, not

(14:18):
to mention the fact that they already have the lead
and are playing like the confident team. There was just
an air about them. You watch them the way that
they were moving, bouncing, the way that they were celebrating everything.
They thought they were gonna win. They came in there
to kick the keystar of the Kansas City Chiefs. That's
exactly what they.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Did, zero doubt. It was ugly Eagles for it.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
It was ugly. It was unfortunate because that game was
not fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
It was funny. I told the sac this. Remember if
you remember last week, I told you we had only
had my in laws over once for a Super Bowl.
It was like the Rams Patriots game where Bill Belichick
just depents Sean McVay. The final score is like third
Tina six on. My in laws were like, I don't
understand why you like this sport football, It's terrible. This

(15:05):
was the exact opposite. It was over about the middle
of the second quarter. I knew I knew the game
was bad when my in laws and everybody over at
halftime did the old stand up in the long stretch
and yawn like I think maybe we got we all
gotta work tomorrow, maybe we should get out of here.
I'm like, oh god, this game is it really is over.
Everybody's ready get out of here. So my poor in
laws haven't seen a good super Bowl yet, because they

(15:26):
saw literally the most boring super Bowl that has ever
been played, Patriots versus Rams, and now they have seen
Eagles versus Chiefs a lot too little. Fox Sports Radio
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will come back, continue the conversation. And I got a
take that I already know. J mart disagrees with, Oh who,

(15:48):
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All right, J Martin, moment of truth. You already told
me that you hate this take, and you don't even

(16:53):
know if you'll be able to take it. Make it
through the segment without screaming at me.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Oh okay, now we're putting words in my mouth. I
just said, I completely we disagreed with you when you
mentioned it.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Okay, maybe I misread anyway, So one of my takeaways
from the Super Bowl we are, of course talking about
Super Bowl Sunday. No, No, we're several days removed now,
but obviously I think there's a lot of talking points
out of it. I think to me, one of the
takeaways in my opinion, was that the NFC has great teams,

(17:28):
and I think the AFC has great quarterbacks. And because
the quarterbacks are so compelling, I think we have convinced
ourselves that they have great teams when I don't believe
that they do. Let me just be very quick here
and I'll toss it over to you. The thought process
being if you watched Kansas City versus Buffalo, I believe
in my heart, I know you might disagree. That's solely, okay,

(17:48):
is that I thought Kansas City was just the better team.
They just had the you know, not a perfect, you know,
roster binding stretch. We just talked about it, but you know, right,
guys in the right spots in the right moments. And
you looked at Buffalo, couldn't really get a pass rush,
didn't really have a deep ball guy, whatever, and I
just thought Kansas City is the better team than Buffalo.

(18:10):
Then you watch Kansas City against Philadelphia, you realize, oh,
Kansas City really, roster wise, isn't even in the same
stratosphere as the Philadelphia Eagles. And so that was kind
of one of my big takeaways is I think we
got so caught up in the discussion on the quarterbacks
that I think we didn't really realize in real time
with the AFC that some of those teams had some

(18:31):
bigger holes than we realized. And so in turn, I
do think, in my opinion, the AFC was a little
bit overrated over the course of the year. Now, gota
to tell me why I'm dead wrong, Okay.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
It's not that you're dead wrong about the AFC being overrated.
It's that you're dead wrong about the Chiefs being the
best team in the AFC. The part that I disagree
with is you saying they were the flat better team.
They may have been on that day, but there's no
way they are a better overall roster than the Buffalo Bills.
There's no way that they're a better overall r than
the Baltimore Ravens. Those two teams are better than the

(19:03):
Kansas City Chiefs. You can make the argument about Andy Reid,
you can make it about Chris Jones, you can make
it about Patrick Mahomes like you can make it about
some individual talented guys. But overall, one to fifty two,
I'm gonna take both the Bills and the Ravens over
the Kansas City Chiefs. That's one of the reasons why
Kansas City was talked about the way that they were
throughout the season, because people thought they were payper champions,

(19:27):
thought the refs were getting them, you know, getting them by,
even though they didn't have a roster that should have
had them in the position that they were in. Now,
I'm not suggesting that Kansas City is a bad team,
and I would say, okay, they're probably the third best
team in AFC, which I think is still, you know,
not far off from your point. I think it is
more fair to say that the NFC got a bum

(19:49):
rap than that the AFC is overrated. I just think
the NFC is better than we thought, and I think
that the AFC is it was about it was really
about three teams, but throughout the course of the year
it was about two. And then of course you had
some other quarterbacks like a Herbert, like a Joe Burrow,
guys that kept their guys in the mix. CJ. Stroud
took a step back, but they dealt with a lot

(20:10):
of injuries. I still think he's gonna be just fine
going forward. But you look at that, and then of
course you had Denver and Pittsburgh and some other things
in the mix there. But there were some challenges. But
if you look at the NFC, I think that they
may have been better as a whole than we thought.
But I also think that Detroit throughout much of the year,

(20:31):
people thought that was the best team in football. Then
they kept getting injured, kept getting injured, and then you
looked at it and was well, Philadelphia's got the best roster.
I mean, that's what we all kind of thought going
into the playoffs. It's like they're the team that is
built to win if you look at it just from
a personnel standpoint. Is that going to play out? And
it ends up doing that? So I think, I mean,
my disagreement is on saying that the Chiefs were better

(20:54):
than the Bills or that they were the best team
in the AFC, because I don't think that they were
the best team. Team doesn't always win, and I think
that's been the case. The problem for the Bills and
the Ravens is they haven't been able to get there
to prove that, which is, you know, it's its own concern,
it's its own issue. But I still think as teams
in terms of how they're constructed, I think both of

(21:15):
them are superior rosters to the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, I you know, Baltimore is the one that I
get a little tripped up. I think Baltimore is probably
the most complete team in the AFC. And again, and
by the way, you go back to that divisional round
game where basically, and I know I keep saying it
as if I'm picky on one person in specific, but
like the kind of outplayed Buffalo basically the final thirty
five to forty minutes of that game. And if Mark

(21:41):
Andrews doesn't have the fumble, if Mark Andrews doesn't have
to drop pass, we're maybe talking about, you know, Baltimore
versus Kansas City, and maybe who knows, Baltimore versus Philadelphia
didn't happen with Buffalo, though I would disagree a little
bit because I look at Buffalo and one certainly listen,
I don't think the coaching helped them in the AFC
Championship game. We've talked about a time and time again,
but the run game was good, but that for some

(22:02):
reason they went away from it. But they don't have
a number one wide receiver like they did, you know,
a couple of years ago with with Stefan Diggs d line.
You know, Ed Oliver is great, but like there's a
reason that everybody wants him to go after Miles Garrett.
So I just I don't know, like I do think
that Buffalo, I think when you really break it down,
I don't know. I just I think that Josh Allen

(22:24):
makes up for a lot of mistakes. And then I
will give them credit because they established a run game
throughout the season, but it wasn't as though. You know,
the defense certainly had some bad, bad games and bad moments.
You know, gave up forty points what and back to
back games late in the season. Whatever it was. So,
you know, I think I'm getting maybe we're getting a
little nitpicky at this point. I don't, But I don't

(22:45):
think Buffalo was a great roster a great team. Gave
up forty two to by the Way, forty four to
the Rams, forty two to the Lions in the final
couple weeks. Yeah, I don't know. I just I don't
think Buffalo had a great roster. I just I don't.
I just think Josh Allen made up for a lot
of mistakes with them.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Well, I mean you can, you can try to argue that,
but I mean Cook really emerged. Their offensive line was stellar.
I mean they were still outscoring teams, but but Alan
had a lot of time throughout much of that Cook
was doing really solid work. The not having a Stefan
Diggs like wide receiver that certainly was a big deal.
And yes, when you have a great quarterback that's going

(23:22):
to cover up some of your other deficiencies, but you're
still talking about von Miller, who has Super Bowl rings
and understands how to win. There you got other guys
like Milano and guys that still really get after the
football on the defensive side. I don't think that you
can throw out the Buffalo Bills. I still look at
them and say, just from a roster and what they
had built, the talent on that team and the way

(23:44):
that it was set up, I like them over the
Chiefs from a roster standpoint. And yes, Baltimore, for sure,
you know you added Derek Henry to what they already had,
but you also and the only other thing is you
lose A Flowers, and that makes a pretty big deal
if you're Baltimore. Again, I think that you could say
the AFC as a whole we might have overvalued. I

(24:04):
think we certainly overvalued the NFC North based on what
they did in the playoffs, but we certainly also did
the same for the AFC North because Pittsburgh got through.
But Pittsburgh we kind of knew, wasn't that good. The
Bengals underperformed despite what Joe Burrow did for them because
and you know it cost Louis and a Rimo his job.
Whether it should have or not, I don't know. He

(24:26):
didn't make the picks in terms of the guys that
he had out there, and you know, you had to
play with what he had, but you know, you look
at them as a whole. And then of course the
Browns were the Browns. But I think that it's more
just about the NFC and the fact that the Lions
and the Eagles, both those teams, the drafting that's been done,
the moves that have been made. That's why they were

(24:48):
that successful. Is they had front offices and they had
staffs that were ready for the moment, even though the
Lions clearly haven't gotten there yet and maybe they won't
because as I've told you before, I don't believe in windows,
and you just lost your coordinators. But those were the
two best teams in football when you really looked at it,

(25:08):
from one to fifty two, those are the ones that
I think that you could really They didn't have many flaws,
boring injuries, which is what happened to the Lions. And
then of course you had a quarterback in Jared Goff
that has come up small in his biggest moments, whereas
jal when Hurts is the opposite, and one of those
guys has won a Super Bowl and the other one
has it.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Tell you what is the AFC better? Is the NFC better?
I don't know, but I do know that there is
one quarterback that is definitively better than Patrick Mahomes. We're
going to discuss him next Fox Sports Radio. Oh you
liked that.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
That was good.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
I worked on that.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
I know of whom you were speaking and I would agree,
But yes, that was well done. I didn't see that
one coming.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
I worked on that one in the mirror today. Let's
spend a lot lot of time prepping that one. All right,
let's get it. I'll tell you what. I'll work on
some teesues for later in the show too, But right now,
we got to get over the news desk to Seger.
The floor is yours, my.

Speaker 6 (25:58):
Friend, Jesus, he's a professional.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Do you do you know how time?

Speaker 6 (26:02):
No, I've been teased.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
I'm staying two Okay?

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Who it is?

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Oh you're staying okay. I appreciate you sticking out, Thank
you very much.

Speaker 6 (26:08):
It's not stick I can tell you that nice poll there.
Hockey's Four Nations face off was in Montreal tonight the
US one in Canada three to one, despite trailing one
nothing early in this round robin format, the US at
two and oh, we'll be in Thursday Night's title game.
NBA All Star Saturday Night was in San Francisco this evening.

(26:30):
The Slam Dunk Contest winner for the third straight year
is Mac McClung, first to do so three straight years.
By the way, Nate Robinson has won three total titles
in this It just wasn't three straight years. I love
the people at the Sports Net in Canada figured this
out that to set up his four perfect dunks tonight,
the time taken was just over five minutes total in

(26:52):
this contest. He's played under five minutes total in the
NBA this season.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
I was gonna say, Mac McClung perfection is just not
on his jump shot. I can tell you how.

Speaker 7 (27:02):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
It took them like two minutes to get that key
into position, and Kia paid for every second of that too.

Speaker 6 (27:08):
Yeah, and he got a perfect score on that, even
though he didn't actually jump over the car his foot.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
It hit it on the dad, but he clipped it
on the way down.

Speaker 6 (27:15):
Yeah, and they didn't land properly went sprawling. But okay,
sure fifty whatever All Star Game is Sunday night in
San Francisco. That is now a fourteen mini tournament in
college basketball.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
I know.

Speaker 6 (27:26):
So it's not a game prepared, it's the games plural.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
They tried to explain that after the dunk contest. I'm
sooner listening to it, Like okay, I still don't get it,
but I wasn't gonna watch anyway, so it doesn't matter.
But like, what all these are they doing tomorrow night?

Speaker 6 (27:40):
It's the first team to forty points win.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
We'll talk about this in an hour two But you
know you need you need to have You need to
be like Matt Patricia, new Ohio State coach and have
an aeronautical engineering degree to figure out. Like remember when
we were on air when they announced the midseason tournament.
It's like, yeah, these first seven games count for this,
but then the next ten games don't. It's like, just
don't call him its he's a tournament. If it's not
a tournament, don't call it the All Star Game if

(28:03):
it's not a game. Okay, anyway, I'll shut up to
segarment taking.

Speaker 6 (28:06):
Your You have to be so smart, you have to
actually place a pencil behind your ear. You have to
look that smart.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
They look smart. His teams don't always play. He did
look smart.

Speaker 6 (28:16):
Some people hit their We talked about this last Sunday.
Some people hit their sweet spot. As coordinators, they get
a bad reputation. Absolutely, they get a bad reputation. Is
Big Fangio, for example, comes to mind after last week.
Another one wasn't a good head coach, but North Turner
was a fantastic coordinator for many, many years in this league.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Ernie's MPI tried to make him a head coach, and
it never stopped trying to make fetch a thing.

Speaker 6 (28:42):
It's just the laziness is Some hosts will say, oh,
I remember that guy was a bad head coach, therefore
he's a bad football coach. Okay, please, Honestly.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
The way they do you got their job as a
head coach was by being a very good coordinator most likely.

Speaker 6 (28:55):
Yeah, and some, such as last weekend, have gone back
to their coordinator jobs and been fantastic. We've got one
late game to report on in college hoops, about twelve
minutes to go. Utah at home is leading seventeenth rank
Kansas fifty six forty seven. If the Jayhawks lose this,
they will be eight and six in conference. Fifteenth rank

(29:15):
Kentucky is six and six in conference after losing at
Texas tonight eighty two seventy eight. Houston one at Arizona,
Wisconsin upset number seven Perdue, fifth ranked Tennessee came back
to beat Vanderbilt and the matchup today. Number one Auburn
wins at number two ranked Alabama ninety four eighty five.
Three weeks left in college hoops regular season, Auburn hosts

(29:37):
Alabama to end the season. Patrick Rodgers leads by one
stroke at the PGA event in San Diego. There is
live golf going on right now on Fox TV because
its final round coverage from Adelaide, Australia, and currently it's
John Rahm in fourth place, currently four back of the leader.

(29:58):
Abraham Answer or Minder. For the Fox TV coverage of
the Daytona five hundred tomorrow, they're coming out on the
air an hour early due to the bad weather forecast.
The race due to began two pm Eastern time on
Fox TV.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve de Seger.
By the way, I appreciate you not mentioning that Yukon
lost to last place sat In Hall today. I mean
they're on ranks, so it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 6 (30:18):
What's an FS one game today right as an F
one game.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Also, fun fact, I'm Kansas play They're on the Utah
road trip in the new Big twelve. They play at
BYU on Tuesday. I'm actually gonna fly out and go
to that game. I have a buddy really who coaches
at b YU. I've never really been into Utah, so
I was like, I booked it, you know, four or
five months ago when I thought Kansas would be good.
I thought BYU might be a little bit better. But yeah,
so we'll see.

Speaker 6 (30:40):
So I might both be unranked by that.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, who knows. But tell you what. Fox Sports Radio,
thank you to Sager Aratorus. Jason Martin will come back.
What do we do? I'm going to tell you the
one quarterback that is indisputably better than Patrick Mahomes and
we need to stop even trying to compare him to him.
And now I'm not talking about Easton Stick. We'll discuss
that next Fox Sports Aret you. Welcome back, everybody. Fox

(31:05):
Sports Radio er Tords Jason Martin broadcasting live from thetirerack
dot Com studios, we are putting a bow on last
Sunday Super Bowl Sunday.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Again.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
We know where a few days removed, but there is
just so much conversation to be had that we're kind
of sharing our final thoughts as we head into the
off season, as the NBA ramps up, college hoops, etcetera.
So I said before the break, think that last Sunday
proved that Patrick Mahomes there's quarterback that's definitely better than him,

(31:37):
and it's time to stop comparing one to the other quarterbacks.
Not Josh Allen. It's not Lamar Jackson, it's not Jalen Hurts.
Even the quarterback is Tom Brady. And it's funny Jmart
because I remember in last week's show, I really kind
of sort of had no interest in doing like a
Mahomes versus Brady conversation because I thought it was so stupid.
He's twenty nine years old, he being Mahomes, you know,

(32:00):
I thought it was so stupid. Like I understand the
concept of the trajectory that he was or is on
relative to where Brady was at twenty nine thirty years old,
but I also just felt like it's ridiculous to like
start making these comparisons now. And I bring it up
because after that game, I think we seriously have to

(32:22):
couch Brady versus Mahomes, and I think the reasons why
pretty obvious won Mahomes. And this is not a knock,
it's just a reality. But it's already his second loss
in a super Bowl. You know, Brady went seven to
three overall in super Bowls, so you know he's already
creeping up in the lost column. Two second game, second

(32:42):
super Bowl, he got absolutely blown out. And to your point,
it's not like he's been great in all four quarters
of any game that he's had. And by the way,
to be clear, for anyone listening in Kansas City or
in Missouri who was a Chiefs fan, this is not
say that I hate Mahomes. It's not say these terribles. No,
it's just to say that when you're literally trying to
put him on the same pedestal as the greatest of

(33:05):
all time, there is essentially no margin for error. And
I just think we now have two total super Bowl duds.
There's been long stretches even in his wins, where he
hasn't played well, and it's okay to say that Patrick
Mahomes owns this era and owns his contemporaries, but when
you're talking about the best to ever do it, I
always thought the conversation was premature, and I think it

(33:25):
looks even worse now.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
So I agree, And I think the point that I
would make you did make, which is Brady never got
blown out even when he lost. It took that Tyree
catch and the craziness of that last drive from Eli
Manning and the Giants to beat him, and then it
took basically magic for that Eagles team with Nick Foles

(33:51):
to beat him in a Super Bowl. Mahomes got housed
by Tampa Bay, and he got housed here. Now, the
defenses versus his offensive lines in both those games were
not very good, but generally I would even go further
as a matter of fact that I love Patrick Mahomes,
I really do. And this isn't about his talent being

(34:12):
better or worse than Brady or whatever, like, just in
terms of like what he can do with a football.
I'm gonna take Mahomes in that fight, but I'm gonna
take Aaron Rodgers over Tom Brady in what he can
do with a football too. Just as an example. That
doesn't necessarily mean he's the best quarterback of all time,
because it comes down to winning and what you've been
able to do and a lot of those kind of factors.
But I'm not so sure I'm gonna put him over Montana.

(34:36):
And the reason why is because I never saw Montana
get blown out either, like to beat like all right,
so I'm a Denver Broncos fan. I watched Elway get
blown out three times.

Speaker 7 (34:48):
Now.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Those teams had no business being into Super Bowl, and
he carried them there. That isn't really the case with Mahomes.
Mahomes always had talent around him. He always had Spignola Defensively,
he has had Chris Jones throughout this, He's had Andy
Reid throughout this. All of that, those Broncos teams with
Dan Reeves, those defenses, he had Sammy Winders is running back.

(35:10):
I mean, I like those wide receivers. But when you
look at who they were playing against, those Phil Simms
Giants teams, that incredible Redskins team that Doug Williams quarterbacked,
and of course Joe Montana and that forty nine Ers team,
it's a little bit different. But I understand Montana had talent,
but Montana never got drilled like that. Brady never got
drilled like that. I'm with you. I don't think that

(35:33):
you can get there. I think, and I also think
that let's let the guy finish his career before we
start talking about who the greatest player of all time is. Like,
you can be eliminated before your career is over, but
we can't make that case for you, especially when you've
done it in a short window, like you know, Brady
did this over a long period of time. He won

(35:54):
super Bowls in multiple locations. There's just it's just different.
It's just different to I'm Brady is the greatest winner
we've ever seen in the NFL, bar none at the
quarterback position, greatest leader, motivated, all those kinds of things.
That's no slight on Mahomes, but I agree with you.
I think it's time to back off and stop this.

(36:16):
It doesn't mean that Patrick Mahomes is not otherworldly and
just as special as we thought he was. We just
can't put him in the same classification with Tom Brady.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, and I just you know, listen, I understand that
this is the media space. You know, it's there are
times where people in our business do stuff, and I
understand why, even if it isn't my thing. And listen,
I think a Brady versus Mahomes conversation, like we all
know Lebron versus MJ. It's easy for everybody that's at

(36:48):
work or listening to us in a car or whatever
right now. It's an easy thing to wrap your head around. Okay,
I just think it's so stupid to do it in
the middle of a guy's career. And I mean, you know,
Mahomes is really really good, excellent, all time great. If
you were retired today, he'd be in the Hall of Fame. Okay,
we get all that, but like to start having this
conversation at twenty nine years old, it's like, think about

(37:09):
everything that can happen. First of all, I think we
even talked about this last week, Andy Reid. I mean,
how many more years does he have left? And it's like, listen,
we can all love mahomeslaw also acknowledging that he's playing
for one of the greatest offensive minds that we've ever seen.
And there's no guarantee that the next guy is anywhere
near as good. You know, God forbid, there could be
injuries he could just get tired and retire, you know,

(37:31):
early in his career, like Michael Jordan did. Now Michael
Jordan came back, but you get the point. Guys have
retired before, you know, before we expect them to. And
so I just I always think these conversations are really
really really dumb, and I hate that we do them.
But I get that we do them. But it's just
like watching that game, it was just like, man like

(37:52):
that was so that was like such an unnecessary rush
to the finished point. Listen, I'll even take a step
to say this. If he had won that game and
we're talking about a fourth super Bowl by twenty nine,
then yeah, I get it, but let's get to the
finish line of number four before, you know, because I mean,
even if he won four to surpass Brady, he'd have
to win four more and that's crazy to think about it.

(38:14):
And so I don't know, I don't want to sound
like old guy, get off my lawn because that, you know,
because people are doing compelling sports talk radio. But I
just I always found the topic so uninteresting and I
think I think it's officially dead for the very foreseeable future,
with not only a second loss but a second blow
out loss.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yeah, And so I also would would add this to
that quickly, and that is I don't think the Chiefs
are getting better.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
I think great call.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
I think the Chiefs hit their max that we've seen
and it shows just how good that max was that
it got them to another Super Bowl. But if you
look at the AFC, the Bills are getting better, the
Ravens continue improving, the Chargers are coming, the Broncos are coming,
the Texans are there. The Bengals had an off year,
but they're gonna be back. Like you look at the

(38:59):
rest of the conference, I think the conference are taking
steps to try and dethrone Kansas City. I don't think
Kansas City is lapping the field at all. I think
that they are all getting a little bit closer. And
we saw the NFC finally get them, and they're gonna
actually have to make some moves to get better or
they're not gonna get back to on those Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
It is interesting, and you know, it goes back to
what we said even after the Buffalo game of just like,
man like, this isn't the four or five years ago team.
This team was there for the taking. Whether it was
Buffalo Baltimore, whoever couldn't take advantage the Eagles did. Fox
Sports Radio air towards Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the
tirerack dot Com studios, will come back Adam Silver with

(39:43):
some very interesting comments about Luka Doncic. You're gonna want
to hear this. Plus All Star Weekend defined by the
person not there. Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (39:52):

Speaker 2 (39:56):
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(40:18):
We are taking up till two a m. Eastern time.
Bernie Fratto of The Bernie Fratto Show follows us. No,
Bernie's gonna have a lot on all sorts of topics
ranging from the Super Bowl to NBA and beyond. Speaking
to the NBA All Star Weekend has come. Now we're
gonna talk about basically the most important person that isn't

(40:41):
at All Star weekend and what it means for the
league here in just a minute. But Jmart, part of
All Star Weekend is, you know, Adam Silver always does
his his little state of address, state of the Union, whatever,
and so I've referenced this a few times over the
last couple weeks. Well I've referenced it a few times
last week. But Jmr and I were on with the

(41:02):
saga of course, and you know Mary Mack and everybody
during the moment when the Luka Doncis trade happened two
weeks ago. It was two weeks ago, literally almost to
the minute when it happened, because it was about nine
to fourteen Pacific twelve fourteen Eastern time, the first Champs
trani A tweet comes through. We don't know it, you know,
we go to de Sager says, you know, hey, it's

(41:25):
from a legitimate account. We'll wait for ESPN's bottom line
to verify on the TV, and sure enough, a few
minutes later it did.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Well.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
I bring it up because it was stunning, and I
think last week J Mart we talked a little bit
about just basically, you know, just basically how shocking it was.
You know, we had a week to decompress, but then
also some of the conspiracy theories that were floating around,
and how basically if you wanted to believe that there
was some higher, bigger, you know whatever calling this shot,

(41:57):
then there was some evidence. Maybe that's well. Anyway, Adam
Silver on Saturday was asked about the Luka Doncicch trade,
and here is what he had to say.

Speaker 5 (42:06):
I was surprised when I heard about the trade. I
did not know that there was Luca was potentially a
player that was about to be traded. That was news
to me. I followed it like a fan from that standpoint,
And I've said before that's the kind of confidential information
that's generally not shared with the league in advance unless
a team is publicly shopping a player, and best to
my knowledge, that's not what happened in the case of

(42:28):
Dallas and Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Very simple question, J Martin. Do you believe that Adam
Silver had no idea not only that this trade was
going to happen, but that then he just followed it
like a fan like the rest of us.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Maybe just because he's Adam Silver, David Stern would have
known about it.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
I was gonna say he has his finger on the
pulse of nothing but continue good, right, And that's really
what it is.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Like, I don't think that Dallas conspiracy theory or not.
I don't think they would have felt like they needed
to include him because I don't know how many people
actually respect him in terms of an authority figure or
someone that commands respect in any way, shape or form.
Like I've been thinking the last few days, would David
Stern have found a way to undo this?

Speaker 2 (43:16):
That was my next question.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
You remember the Chris Paul situation and what had happened there, like,
and of course there were different circumstances because of the
league and the teams involved and all that kind of stuff.
But like, there's no there's no universe in which this
improved competitive balance in your NBA. There's no Ken jump
in on that real yeah, go right, he go right ahead.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
It's not even that it didn't improve competitive balance. It's
that it basically disproved. It basically proved all of the
worst things that people believe, whether it's true or not,
that there's favoritism towards the big market that things are in.
Maybe favoritism is not even the big word, men, the

(43:59):
right word, that things are flat out rigged for the
big market. Now, again, this goes back to what we
talked about last week. Is it possible that the Mavericks
truly believed that they would get closer to a championship
a year after making the final the NBA Finals with
Luka Doncis Is there a world where they believe that
they would be better with Anthony Davis rather than Luka Doncics. Okay,

(44:22):
but what we also discussed was that if you want
to believe that there's some conspiracy theories, we get it
because and we were trying to figure this out in
real time. Is basically the idea that there was no
even as Adam Silver reference, there was no trade request,
there was no open market for one of the three
or four best players in the league. And so I

(44:45):
think that's that's the part that I think has to
be frustrating to twenty nine other fan bases, number one being,
of course, the Dallas Mavericks, is that it it's just
everything that you that the league fights, all the narratives
that the league fights to prove that aren't true, that

(45:05):
the Lakers have the advantages, that the big markets have,
the advantages, that things are not only tilted in their favor,
but that the league office is actively helping them. Whether
it's true or not, that trade did nothing to dispel
any of those notions or thoughts or opinions.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
No, it didn't, And it just adds more fuel to
those fires. And it basically destroyed one of your fan
bases in one of your bigger markets. I mean, Dallas
is still one of the biggest markets in the country.
And I mean you've got protests, you've got signs, you've
got a lot of ugliness, you've got threats, you've got

(45:40):
all this other kind of stuff, like your league is
spinning out of control here, Adam Silver, and you're saying
I have empathy that later on in that same State
of the League address or whatever, he said, I am
empathetic to MAVs fans about this trade. Well thanks, brother,
Like that's very, very helpful if you're a MAVs fan
in this point in this moment, like that's I don't

(46:03):
even know. I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. Like,
oh man, I would feel terrible if I was a
MAVs fan. It's like, dude, you're the commissioner of the league.
You know something about This doesn't feel one hundred percent right,
and you know it's not better for your league. It's
not the Lakers are going to be the Lakers with
or without Luka Dancic, but the Mavericks are nothing without him, zero.

(46:26):
Like it's not that they're not going to play hard.
Kyrie is still going to play hard as long as
he's there. I get it. Anthony Davis getting hurt is
just exactly that's the worst possible scenario because somehow he
had been healthy for a decent amount of time recently
with LA. But this is exactly the Anthony Davis. This
is the saga. This is the story that we've seen

(46:46):
many times in the past where he hasn't been able
to stay healthy. You got all of this happening, and
then there's just a lot of smoke behind this. And
I do think the idea that Luka Doncic was not
on the market was not shopped to other teams. They
didn't take other offers, they didn't talk to other markets.
There's got to be a lot of owners, a lot
of gms in a leader just like man I would

(47:07):
have given this, this, this, this, this and this, and
they would have been much better deals than what the
Lakers offered, But the Lakers just end up getting the
guy for nothing compared to what guys that are not
half his marketability, half his value, half his talent have
gotten in trades over the past few years. Like this
was a heist by the Lakers. I don't think there's

(47:29):
any doubt about that. And the Mavericks fans just have
to sit there and wonder, you know, how do I
support this team like they killed that market like it's
it is astonishing to me, and we're now a couple
of weeks clear of it, and it makes even less
sense to me now than it did then, and it
made zero sense to me.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Then That's exactly what I go back to, is, you know,
I think it's a two pronged thing of I don't
like it's hard for me to explain, but basically it's
like I find it so hard to believe that, Like,
put aside, does this make your team better? Does it not?

(48:11):
The idea of trading a homegrown superstar that you drafted
that's now in a year, six, year, seven, whatever, just
took you to the NBA Finals in a year where
he probably hasn't even entered his prime yet. And so
I look at it as basically like, how did you
not know the reaction was going to? And this is
part of why I think it's kind of like a

(48:32):
conspiracy theory, is like, so you mean to tell me
that you made this trading good faith and you had
no thought process at all that your fans would revolt.
And so there's that part of it. But then maybe
the counter to that is the reason that they did
not open up a true trade market to try and
find the best possible value was because they knew that
the fans would revolting. The trade couldn't happen. Really quick,

(48:52):
let me ask you this because you mentioned it and
it's something I had kind of been thinking about after
hearing this quote. Do you think that David Stern would
have found a way to step in? Because really quick?
I always think this is an important side note that
gets lost because people reference to Chris Paul trade all
the time. Chris Paul would have become a Los Angeles Laker.
David Stern nixed it. The other thing I would say
about that, it is worth noting at that time, the

(49:14):
New Orleans whatever they were Pelicans at the time, were
between ownership groups and the league was actually running them,
and so David Stern was like, yeah, I am stepping
in because this makes it look like the league is
trying to help get Chris Paul to the Lakers to
be a super team. So I give David Stern credit
for doing that, but I don't think that that perception

(49:35):
is really changed at all. However, many fifteen years later
after the Chris Paul trade, because it does look do
you think David Stern would have stepped in and just
been like, this doesn't make sense, this looks bad for
the league. I cannot allow this to have.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Call me naive to the inner workings of leagues versus
teams and all that. I do not believe that this
trade goes down without Stern knowing about it in advance
and weighing in. I think that's the difference. I think
that he gets notified in advance. Maybe Silver did and

(50:09):
he's lying, but I don't think so. I think it's
very possible he didn't know. I don't think there's a
universe in which David Stern wouldn't have known this. That's
just me just based on the way in which he
ran the league, and it was a different league and
it was a different time, and there's been you know,
the power structure has changed in terms of who has
a leverage in a lot of these scenarios. So maybe
he wouldn't have known. Maybe again, maybe I am speaking

(50:31):
out of turn and I'm wrong, but I think that
David Stern would have had the opportunity before anybody ever
found out about this to stop it. That's the difference
because I just think there was there was a different
opinion of the League office and its power. I just
don't think this would have happened around him and he

(50:51):
would have found out on.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
X or something like that. I would have followed it
like a fan. No, you would not have David Sturn.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Yet, right, That's really it. I mean, I just I
don't think that this trade would have just gone through
without him knowing about it in advance and at least
saying okay if that's what they want to do. Because
I feel like if you go to David Stern in
this the David Stern that we all saw throughout his time,
I feel like you go to him and you say this,

(51:19):
he can actually start to think about it and he's
just like, well, why would you do this? And not
like there's so many little things about this that make
it ripe to seem like it is not authentic, not genuine,
and that there's something underhand and going on, and that
gets to the integrity of your league. And if you're
David Sterning that point, perception is everything. It's just everything.

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And the optics of this are absolutely atrocious for a
league where the optics haven't been good for a couple
of years now and don't seem to be getting better
based on the weekend of All Star festivities that we've
been treated to.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Well, I'll tell you what, why only come back talk
about All Star Weekend because to me, the biggest story
is who is not at All Star Weekend and what
it says about where we are at with All Star Weekend.
We'll explain next. This is Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2 (52:25):
Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio er toords Jason Martin.
We are broadcasting live fromthtire Rack dot com studios. Jmart
it is All Star Weekend. As you may have heard,
another thing that Adam Silver has killed but that's another
conversation for another day. I think it's worth noting. I

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think this is kind of interesting.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
To me.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
The most interesting, maybe the best proof yet that we
have of how dead All Star Weekend is is not
about the person, not about all the players and people
that are there, but instead about one big name that
is not there, and it is Caitlin Clark. Now, during

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football season, we mostly focus on football, but I bring
it up because what was about three four weeks ago
they were basically trying to get Caitlin Clark to participate
in All Star Weekend, you know, one of the skills
competitions whatever, And I only bring it up because she
politefully declined. Now I think, you know, she claims that

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the reason that she declined was because she wanted to.
You know, if you remember last year that WNBA didn't
have a traditional All Star weekend because it was right
right around the time of the Olympics and whatever. And
so this year, the WNBA All Star Weekend is in Indianapolis.
And so basically Caitlyn Clark's logic and reasoning was basically that, hey,

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you know, I want my first All Star Weekend to
be in Indie. I want to help support the league
that but uh, by the way to which I would say,
I'm stunned that all the girls that criticized her all
year for not doing more to elevate women's basketball didn't
come out and applaud her. They didn't. Shocking you are boy,
I'm not another conversation but another day.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Yeah, no, I think that conversation is about.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Well no, But here's my thing though, I think that
whoever are her handlers or whomever, I think they basically said, like, look,
you know, you got a good thing going, uh, you know,
and we could talk about maybe some of the stuff
that she maybe shouldn't have said over the course of
the offseason. But I think they really thought, hey, all
Star weekends turn into kind of a joke. It's it's

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a disaster. You know. The guy who keeps winning the
Dunk contest isn't even an NBA player. The ratings are
going down every year. We now have this bizarre All
Star game that isn't a game, but it's a whatever.
And I think basically Caitlin Clark was like, I think
it's gonna hurt my brand to show up for All
Star Weekend and I think that tells you everything you

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need to know about about why NBA all start weekend,
and on a broader level, the entire NBA is a
dying product.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Okay, So I don't know if that part is true,
not the last thing, but the hurting the brand portion.
I I feel like Caitlyn Clark, over the last I
don't know a handful of months, has made a concerted
effort to appease whoever the power brokers are in the WNBA.

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Her colleagues are contemporaries, the coaches, all of these people,
the stuff she said in the interview when she was
a Sportsperson of the Year whatever it was, the ad
for the Super Bowl, like, all of these things are
different than the waters that Caitlin Clark kind of tended
to wait in a year ago. At this time, for example,

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I think she is continuing to tread lightly and kind
of walk on eggshells around her own league. I don't
know whether or not she was coached to do this.
I don't know whether or not she was told to
do this. I don't know if this was just her
own calculation, But generally speaking, I just think she's I

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think that she is gonna continually kind of bend the
knee to a league full of players that are never
going to accept her because she came in too popular,
because they didn't like it, and their goal is to
kill her value, to make it so that she's not
marketable anymore. It's a dumb idea. It's dumb. It's crazy

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because they all benefit from it. But I think if
you give them truth serum, they just want to see
her value erased entirely. And so again, I don't know
if it came from inside WNBA or whatever else, but
her saying well, this is going to be big for
the WNBA for me to wait until they're all start weekend,
I just don't buy that. I don't. I don't think
that this has anything to do with her brand being

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tainted by being part of the NBA. I mean, even
with the NBA in the shape it is, it's still
better than the WNBA. People are still going to watch
it there. But I think the perception is going to be, well,
how dare she she's not the best player in the WNBA,
Why she getting this invite? All of these other things
and she's the one player. And I think that at
this point she's so cognizant of it, and she's doing

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her best to try to make it work so the
WNBA players will accept her and some of this stuff
can end and all of this, like even just the
nice stuff. It seems like everything she does now is
very calculated to make sure that she doesn't upset anybody
in the WNBA. That she's trying to do everything that
she can to be humble and all this other kind

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of stuff, not recognizing what I think most of us
already know, which is she will never be able to
do enough. They don't like the fact that she's popular.
They didn't like the coverage that she got coming in
the door. They were jealous of it the entire time,
and they can't stand it. And so she's going to
continue to hurt herself. I think, now, does this make

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her a bigger star by going to the All Star weekend?
Like probably not, let me actually ask you, But I
don't think it hurts her brand.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Well, maybe it hurts your brand, isn't right, But I
think maybe the last sentence that you just said is
actually maybe the point that I'm trying to make. Does
it do anything to elevate her brand? Like I was
thinking about this even before the show. I think you
could argue, and I'm not being facetious when I say this,
I think you can argue she is the third most

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famous basketball player on the planet right now, behind only
Lebron and Steph. You could argue KD whatever. I think
more people know who Caitlyn Clark is than know who
Jason Tatum is. I think, you know, maybe Luca because
he's international. Like my wife doesn't know who Nikole Jokic is,
but she knows who Kaitlin Clark is, and so maybe

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that's the point. And by the way, if you want
to argue she's not the third most she's but what
it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
I know, I understand the point you're making exactly the
we don't have to go into the weeds.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
But I think that last point that you made is
kind of interesting. Does it do maybe that is the point.
Does it do anything to help her elevate her own brand?
Because I'm not sure that it does. And to me,
that's the thing is like, again, I don't that's probably
the right way to put it. I don't think it
hurts her brand. Maybe that maybe I misframed it myself.

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I don't think it hurts her brand, But does it
do anything to help her brand? And if anything, all
you're doing is helping the NBA when it doesn't really
help you because you're Caitlyn freaking Clark, one of the
most famous basketball players on the planet.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Yeah, so I think that part is fair. I think that, No,
I don't. I don't really think it helps her brand,
just because she is so recognizable already, regardless of talent
or anything else. Your point is right, whether it's number
three or number five or whatever it is, whatever number
you want to put it in, she's certainly one of

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the short list of most famous basketball players in the world.
I can completely, one hundred percent agree with that. I
don't think that it would hurt her brand to be there.
Maybe it would help her a little bit, but I
think the bigger issue is it would just upset the WNBA.
And I think that's the bigger concern, at least on
my side, is that I think Caitlin Clark is too

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worried about what the WNBA thinks, and she's worried about
what those players think and how they're going to assume
all these things about her. They're gonna talk on hun
her back or they're going to foul her eight hundred
times and try to closeline her and take her out
and all this other kind of stuff, and she's desperately
trying to be accepted by them, not realizing at least
I don't think, or maybe maybe she does realize that

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she's still trying good on her If that's the case,
I guess, but I don't think she has a chance
of ever being being accepted because they don't want her there.
They don't like how how much covered she gets. They
don't like the fact that you just said she might
be the third most recognizable or famous basketball player in
the world, and at least that argument can be made.

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And I didn't really push back on it. I said,
I know exactly what you're saying, and generally speaking, you're right.
That's gonna drive them insane whether or not she goes
to All Star Weekend or not. But if she went,
we understand. We know because we saw what was said
last year and how it was talked about. The WNBA
players would have been furious behind the scenes because they

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don't care about the success of their league as much
as they care about it being on their terms.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Tell you what, let's continue this conversation just a minute,
because I do have a follow up or two on that.
Caitlyn Clark not at All Star weekend and really what
you just said, what does it mean for perception of
her with other players. We'll discuss that next before we
do the let's toss it over the news desk second
time this evening, Steve de seger I.

Speaker 6 (01:01:56):
Looked up the TV ratings from one year ago NBA
All Star Week and they had remember a year ago,
Sabrina Enescu and that three point challenge head to head
with Steph Curry. The league itself said that night's TV
audience peaked with that three point contest at ten pm
Eastern time, So for those fifteen minutes they got nearly

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five and a half million viewers. That's the same average
as the actual All Star Game got the next night.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
One, that's crazy, but two, it does kind of prove
my point, which is that it really she is gonna Basically,
the NBA is trying to use her yes to elevate
their brand, which is no disrespect. I agree with that, yeah,
no disrespect to women, But that's kind of pathetic.

Speaker 6 (01:02:41):
And they'll probably say we have the right to do that.
Because we've been subsidizing this whole league. She came into
that was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
You know, I saw Rob Parker's take this week, and
that was what led the wheels to start turning this
morning when we're thinking about putting the show together.

Speaker 6 (01:02:53):
So, but if you're an NBA exec, I'm sure you
have those wheels in your mind. Yeah, yeah, this is
our property. Wa NBA is owned by the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
It is kind of crazy, low key, And that was
Rob's point. It's like, you've been subsidizing the NBA has
been subsidizing your league for thirty years. You know, you
owe it to the NBA to show up, And I
think it's kind of funny. She's just like, yeah, I'm good.
I wasn't here for the last thirty years and had
nothing to do with me.

Speaker 5 (01:03:18):
Well.

Speaker 6 (01:03:19):
Tonight in San Francisco, Slam Dunk Contest winner for a
third straight year is Mac McClung from the G League.
Love this stat. So the last three seasons he's won
three titles. In this last three seasons, he's played three
whole games in the NBA three in the NBA in
the last three years. I also said that saw that
he has apparently earned more money from these three Slam

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Dunk titles than he has from NBA basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Yeah. No, I wondered that. I wondered how much he
had been paid in I actually thought about that times, Like,
how much do you get paid winning the Dunk contest
or being part of that?

Speaker 6 (01:03:52):
It's over three hundred thousand apparently for the three years. Yeah.
Compare that to the two way contract and a little
bit from the NBA. Yeah, that probably wouldn't be much.
On the NBASI three point Contest winner Tyler Hero of
the Heat Skills Challenge went to the Calves. We do
have it upset in late night college basketball on the
men's side, Utah at home holds on to beat number

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seventeen Kansas seventy four to sixty seven. Texas at home
beat number fifteen Kentucky eighty two seventy eight. Earlier, Mississippi
State won its top twenty five matchup at Ole, Miss
eighty one seventy one. Seventh rank Perdue was beaten at
home by number sixteen Wisconsin ninety four eighty four. Six
thranked Houston won at number thirteen Arizona sixty two to
fifty eight. Fifth ranked Tennessee at home was down sixteen

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just before halftime, but still came back to beat Vanderbilt
eighty one seventy six. And yes, we did have a
number one at number two matchup today Alabama was hosting Auburn.
Auburn wins the game. Ninety four eighty five Hockey's Four
Nations face off in Montreal went to the US, although
it was down one nothing early, it won at Canada
by a three to one final. So in this round

(01:04:57):
robin format, the Americans at two to oh will be
in Thursday Night Championship. Amazingly, this ends a winning streak
for Sidney Crosby in a Canada jersey in tournament play.
He had won twenty six games in a row playing
for Canada going back well over a decade, including a
couple of Olympics, including a World Championship a World Cup

(01:05:19):
of Hockey, including the win in the opener of this tournament.
The US beat a Sidney Crosby Canada team tonight. Well,
we do have golf going on right now on Fox TV.
It's the final round of the live golf event from Adelaide, Australia,
and with just a whole or two to go, Joaqi
Neeman is tied for the lead. John Rahm is now

(01:05:41):
four back at the PGA event. Patrick Rodgers leads by
one stroke.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
In San Diego.

Speaker 6 (01:05:46):
Rory McElroy shot a third round seventy four, falling to
a tie for eighth place with Scottie Scheffler, who shot
seventy six. Tiger Woods is not playing in this week's
PGA event, which benefits his foundation. The PGA Tours in
Mexico next week. And a reminder, Sunday's Daytona five hundred
TV coverage will start an hour early due to the
bad weather in the forecast. Rain is due at Daytona

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right around the start of racetime apparently two pm Eastern
time on Fox TV. It will be windy there tomorrow
as well. Chase Briscoe will start from the pole position.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Back to you, thank you very much, Steve Sager, Fox
Sports Radio, Fox Sports Sunday Era towards days Martin broadcasting
live from Thethtirerack dot Com studios for the break we
were talking it before we gets to Disaga, I should say,
by the way, to say we will be back in
just a moment with his extended update everything you missed
throughout the day, so before we were talking All Star weekend,

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Caitlyn Clark electing not to show up. I was just
gonna ask big picture, Jmart, what do you expect this year?
Like this coming WNBA season. Everything from the perspective of
Kaitlyn Clark seems to be trying to make good with
these young ladies who do not like her. But I

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also think that we've talked about this, and I think
you might have just mentioned a minute ago. I think
she's hurting her brand and her core audience by trying
too hard to appease to people that don't like her,
and then you know, if you're burning the people that
like you, in theory, could impact the ratings.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
Da DA.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
I'm just curious that, like, what do we think we're
getting from year two of the Caitlin Clark era, Because
I'll be honest, I was a guy that kind of
didn't know if it was going to translate after college,
and it obviously she became the biggest story in sports
there for a stretch. I think WNBA looked bad. I
don't think they had answers. I don't think they were
prepared for her arrival, and I'm just kind of curious

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for your perspective on what year two looks like, because
you know, you would think after year one that it
would only be kind of a shooting star and upward arrow.
But again, I do think that she has done some
stuff and set some stuff to kind of ostracize her
core audience and her core fan base this this offseason.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Yeah, so my gut tells me that it's not going
to be what it was. It's not going to completely
drop off a cliff. But I do think that Caitlyn
Clark just kind of played basketball and lived her life
and didn't get go didn't get caught up in all
the noise. She let everybody else talk on all sides
of it, and there were extremes on all sides that

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you know, did nobody any favors, right, But now she's
decided that she wants to cater to a side that
is definitely going to cost her when it comes to
some of the people that have had gotten behind her
because it was easy to root for her because she
just played basketball. And now she has decided to wade
into some of these other waters. So I don't think

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that it's going to help the WNBA. I understand, I've
read all the pieces. I'll look at the ticket sales. Now,
I think the WNBA last year might have been the peak.
Now we'll see. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think
that the curiosity factor or the let's check in on
Caitlin Clark every night factor is going to be the same.
And I think a lot of that does come down
to she's now become I don't know, she she's become

(01:09:10):
more polarizing to multiple groups as opposed to polarizing to
people within the WNBA and certain social circles or whatever
like that. Like at one point, she was just playing
basketball and so you either like that or you didn't
like that. You got you thought she was overexposed or
whatever like that. You can do all that. But I

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think that now now it is harder to root for
her for some people, some of them for good reasons,
some of them for reasons that are, you know, less
towards say the least. But I think that it's I
think that the point is her brand is going to
be hurt a little bit. Her marketability and her value
are going to drop just a little bit because there's
going to be a little less attention paid by half

(01:09:53):
her audience or so. And so I think that that's
a net negative for the WNBA because she was the
shooting star. She was the thing that was causing all
other ships to rise. With all due respect to the
talented to other talented women in that league, she was
the reason people were paying attention to it. And I
don't think that you can grow based on how she

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has operated over the last six months. So I think
it's going to take a step back and it's going
to be talked about less.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
So I sort of agree. I just think, really quickly,
is that one.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
It almost reminds me of j mart Is And this
is not a great comparison, but a sport that we
make fun of quite a bit, spring football, right, because
every time they start one of these new leagues, it's like, oh,
ratings were this in week one, and then it's like
it goes down a little bit in week two, and
then week three it goes down more, and then by
like week four, nobody cares. They tune in for the

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just to kind of see what it's all about. And
I don't think, yeah, And it's not a totally fair
analogy because obviously it was a season long phenomen which,
by the way, it is worth noting the ratings I
seem to remember. And I could be wrong in this,
but I think they pretty much plummeted after she was
eliminated from the playoffs. But I just bring it up
because I think we're gonna get that little bounce back

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regression in the way that we get it with other leagues,
because like you said, I think the phenomenon is a
little bit gone. You know, I don't know. But then
my counter to that is, you know, people start clotheslining
her again, Dja Carrington starts poking her in the eye
and then claiming it was totally accidental. How dare you
even ask me? I do think people will be right back,

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So I guess this is one I don't know that
I really have a strong opinion, because I do sort
of lean with you, But I think it's only gonna
take like that one incident, the first I poke the
first Angel Reese, Oh, I was going for the ball.
Why are certain people referee differently than I am? By
the way, the fact that I remember all this tells
you like how big it was in the moment, But

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I don't know. I guess I am curious to see
how year two goes, and I will say there was
like a two three week period where everybody was playing
nice and it was kind of the most boring thing
to talk about, But then everybody started getting rough again
and it was a different deal. So anyway, any last
thoughts on Caitlin Clark. I actually just came across something interesting.
I want to discuss an hour three from All Star Weekend,
but anything else on Caitlin Clark before we get back

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to the sacred I.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Would say, if they really did want to just finish
her off, they would just stop doing any of the
stuff that gets coverage, Like if they really wanted to
kill her value completely, stop with the ipokes and all
that kind of stuff, and just treat her like another player,
because then there wouldn't be that other side. I do
think that you're right. I think that's a fair point

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that you know, when the line is crossed or that
becomes a question, at least that is going to break
some coverage back and some people are going to tune
back in. But I also think it's going to bring
a chorus of see, this is why we told you.
There's no reason to try and you know, become one
of them, because they're not going to accept you like,
there's just this is why we said be above it

(01:13:03):
and just play basketball and just ignore it as best
you can. That I think will become part of the refrain.
On the other side, I don't know what the longevity is.
My tendency is just I think it will. I think
it's gonna make less of a news impact. I think
it's gonna be talked about less and it's gonna be
less interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
We will see what happens. WNBA season kicks off what
about probably two and a half months from now, is
basically right after the college basketball season, so mid to
late April. I we'll see, we'll see, we'll see, We'll see.
I don't know what to expect, but I'll tell you
what I do think. It is interesting that Caitlyn Clark
essentially had nothing to gain by showing up to All
Star Weekend Fox Sports Radio er towards Jason Martin broadcasting

(01:13:45):
that ive from the Tyrek dot Com studios. We will
come back, we will talk to de Seger, he will
have his extended update and then our three plenty more
NFL and I did just come across one interesting NBA
All Star Weekend thing that I want Jamart's take, so
we got a busy hour and eighteen minutes left to
Seger's up. Next, Fox Sports, are you welcome back?

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
Everybody?

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Fox Sports Radio, Aer Torris Jasonbart broadcasting live from theti
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this time, we tost it over the news desk Steve
de Sager Flora's yours, My friend, guys, I.

Speaker 6 (01:14:22):
Want your opinion on something I saw tonight from Texas
A and M in just a moment, But first I
must pass along that Nebraska football has lost its play
by play voice, as Greg Sharp has passed away at
age sixty one. Died yesterday, ten months after he announced
he had been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. It had the
Nebraska football gig for almost twenty years. Ex White Sox

(01:14:43):
closer Bobby Jenks is being treated in Europe for stomach cancer,
but at age forty three, Jenks says he is planning
to recover well enough to return for a second season
as manager of a minor league Windy City team. Now,
college baseball is just starting. Texas A and M is
ranked number one in the country. Did not know until tonight,
but I am reading this off the A and M website.

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Under media policies this on game days, interviews will be
conducted about ten minutes after the game. Parentheses note players
will not be made available following a loss.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
So I saw this only because I know a lot
of the A and M beat writers. I'll get my
quick take. J Martin, you know you please share with
your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
My how the guys feel about this.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Yeah, well, Richard Zayin, that was my guy that asked
Schlausonegele to comment about, Hey, we're hearing rumors to Texas
and he was like, I'm insulted that you even asked.
All'll say is college is weird because it's not like
the NBA or NFL where there's uniform crass. Every school
kind of just does it differently, like I know correct
Like as an example, like Michigan State basketball, they have

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an open locker room after every game, so it's just
like you want that, dude. And then other schools it's
like you get players only at the podium whatever and
more schools are like that.

Speaker 6 (01:16:00):
When I covered UCLA football, sometimes the sid would meet
me at the entrance and say who do you need?
Who can I get for you?

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
That was probably I had to hate you. That was
probably back in the day, right, Dallan's Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
I remember being a stringer at the national title game,
the Alabama Georgia game and going into the locker room
and they were just like, well two is not going
to talk because he's a freshman. Like Alabama had a
rule freshman didn't talk. Like there were all sorts of
different rules as to who you could talk to, what
rooms you could be in. It's different. It's definitely a difference.

Speaker 6 (01:16:30):
This really jumped out of me because this is the
number one ranked college baseball team and not a single
player will talk unless they win the game.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
Can I just add one more funny media availability story,
Duke I was at the game when coach k got
into it with Dylan Brooks, and you know, per NCAA rules,
they have to open the locker room after the game
and in the NCAA tournament and Brandon Ingram was on
the team and they literally hid him in the shower
and were like he's not available to talk. And it's

(01:17:00):
like that's soft. So really quickly, because I know you
have a lot more to get to. All I will
say is I think it's weak only because if your
uniform across the board. Policy is we make one player
available after every game, or we make no players. It's
one thing that have no players available, ever, it's another
thing only after they win, which I know is the
point that you're ultimately trying to get to. It's weird.

(01:17:21):
I agree with that one hundred percent, Jason.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
The optics are terrible, Like it's just that, just that
it looks bad, even if you're trying to protect young
guys from saying something tough or whatever, like Texas A
and M seems to be the team and the school
that does stuff like this that irritates you. This is
not the first time that Texas A and M has
done something that's just weird. The SEC didn't want the
men because they're strange.

Speaker 6 (01:17:44):
As for this policy from A and M. I know
that athletic departments lesson that's these days have anything to
do with the university as a whole. Actually, But part
of the reason people go to college is the growth
of using what you learn here applying it to your
future young adult life. Are you saying that these players

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on the number one ranked team when they become professionals
are going to be avoiding interviews unless they win the game.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Well, and I think that's the whole thing, right, is
dealing with adversity. Again, I'm going to be quick with
the mission.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
You have to learn.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
It's college, yes, and that like that's Michigan State's policy
is every player is available because they got to deal
with if they want to play in the NBA bing
good and bad.

Speaker 6 (01:18:27):
So I will bring up that the US hockey win
against Finland on Thursday night got one point five to
five million viewers, which doesn't sound out a lot. It's
not a lot, but by hockey standards, it's phenomenal because,
aside from the Stanley Cup playoffs, that's the largest NHL
related audience they've had in this country in two years,

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one point five to five million viewers. That same night,
NASCAR got more on FS one for the Daytona Duels
at about one point eight five million. But I will
add those two audiences I just mentioned Nascar and hockey
Thursday night got better ratings than either the NBA doubleheader
on ESPN Wednesday or the NBA doubleheader on TNT twos.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
I'll tell you what to saga. From now on, We're
gonna give you the normal nine to forty five at
eight forty five, you'll just share embarrassing NBA ratings stats
because they come up every single week in this segment.
Absolutely so NBA are hockey and deal with the facts
here at the Newsday. No, that's it is what it is.
Tell you what. We'll come back. I have one more
All Star Weekend comment to have. Surprisingly it's not very good.

(01:19:34):
We'll discuss that next Fox Sports Radio.

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(01:20:05):
you up till two am Easter time. Bernie Fretto in
fifty seven minutes and forty nine seconds will be following us.
Can't wait to hear what Bernie has to say, so Jamart,
we led the show by talking to NFL. I want
to do one more All Star Game weekend topic. Hey,
we don't even have to do the full segment on

(01:20:26):
this we can get back to football here in just
a minute. I do want to ask you a question.
I saw this tweet from our mutual friend. I mean, really,
just one of the great guys in our business, Rob Garra,
Senior producer, Odd Company.

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
Love Rob Garra.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Love Listen. If you don't love Rob Garra, that's a
there's something wrong with you, because yes, one of the
nicest people we know, great guy. I was actually texting
him this morning because I wanted a little bit more
details on what Rob said about Kaitlin Clark. But Rob
just put this out and I'll be real, I kind
of agree with them. He said quote, I honestly can't
think of any dunk mac mcclum mac McClung could do

(01:21:07):
that would make me excited to watch a dunk contest
with him as the headliner. Something about a G leaguer
in the contest just doesn't sit right with me. Can't
explain it. I need the stars.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Let's put aside the star stuff, because that's been a
conversation for forever. But I remember three years ago being
on this same show. I remember vividly. We were in
the other studio. De Sega was obviously behind a different
glass window. And I remember we either we opened the
show or whatever we talked about, like, it's kind of
weird they have dudes that aren't in the NBA in

(01:21:38):
the dunk contest yep. And I'm kind of with Rob
on this is that. Listen. I get that Mac McClung
is really really compelling, you know whatever, but it is
all so weird. It'd be like, you know, having an
and one mixtape guy, and I know that doesn't exist anymore.
But like being in the skills competition, it's like it's

(01:21:59):
cool that he can do this one thing extremely well,
but he isn't an NBA player. This is NBA All
Star Weekend, and it makes me less interested. I mean,
I did not actively tune in to see that gate
to see the dunk contest, and I don't know. I
think Rob's onto something. I'm curious for your perspective on
what he said.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
I mean, I think Rob's right. I mean, I watched
it because I guess I'm glutton for punishment, but I
watch it every year and I knew he was gonna
win before it started. And I'll tell you, let me
tell you just how kind of sad this whole thing
is towards the end of it, Kenny Smith says on TV,

(01:22:42):
we just need to cancel the contests and just let
Matt come out and do five dunks and enjoy ourselves.
And I was just like that, that's what this is like.
There's no contest here. With all due respect to the
other guys, like Castle did some dunks that were they
were all right. McClung is a connoisseur guy. He is like,
I mean, they had that show years ago called The

(01:23:03):
Dunk King, and I watched every episode of it and
it was just dudes that can dunk, and it was
fun and they're dunking over motorcycles and all sorts of
crazy stuff and winning money and all. And it was different.
But that's what that is.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
Like.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
Matt mclung doesn't play any NBA like, he plays in
the G League and once a year he comes out
of hibernation like Puck Satani Phil and wins a dunk
contest he's a shadow, and then goes back into the
G League for another year. Like it's great, but what
are you saying other than you don't have a league
that can put together its own dunk contest at this point,

(01:23:38):
Like there was talk a month or two ago maybe
that zach Lavine might jump back in. I don't blame
him for not doing it, because he's already gone down
as a great dunker, great all time dunker, because he
won a couple of these contests. I think one of
them he should have lost to Aaron Gordon, but that notwithstanding,
was still a great performance by both of them that night.
But you don't have any of the big names. You

(01:23:59):
don't even have any of the middle names. Like I
sent you a Texter and this say. I was like,
what are we watching here? No one knows who these
people are. And you had before this dunk contest started,
because they're in the bay. They did a ten minute
tribute to Vince Carter's two thousand performance. They showed all
five of his dunks they had scripted. They had a

(01:24:22):
script read by Kenny Smith. I believe that it was
shackted part of it. One of the guys that was
filming at one of the players, Tracy McGrady, was filming
it on the sidelines. He was in the dunk concept
and he talked about it. Then Vince came out and
talked about it. Then they showed the five dunks and
then Vince introed all the four dunkers, So they had

(01:24:46):
all this thing. It was all built around Vince Carter.
Wasn't built around twenty twenty five because there's no contest,
there's nothing there to see. That to me, was a
microcosm of the NBA at this point. They do such
a poor job at marketing their young talent. They had
multiple rookies in this thing, people that nobody have ever
heard of, people that aren't getting minutes in the league,
and they got Vince Carter telling you that you're supposed

(01:25:09):
to care about these people, while they just spent a
lot of television time telling you how great Vince Carter
was twenty five years ago. Like, it was stunning to me.
But Rob's point is right, But I think that the
Kinney's point is right too. Kenny Smith's point. Yeah, just
have him come out of here and do five dunks.
It's just an exhibition. Let's just see this guy do
what he does best and have fun with it because

(01:25:31):
there's no contest here. Like that was a farce. There
was nothing. I mean, he had a perfect score on
all his dunks because that's what he does. But that's
not a dunk contest and that's doing nothing for your
league whatsoever. That's just all right, let's see what Mac
mclung poll's out this year. He's not really in the NBA.
It's like, let's go find somebody from the long Drive

(01:25:52):
competition where they're not steroid tested and have him come
out there on the PGA Tour. But all he's going
to do is drive. Like none of this makes any sense.
I don't. I don't understand. It's a it's an NBA
All Star weekend. Like Mac McClung should be winning dunk
contests in the G League, not in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Yeah, I mean you you pretty much captured it all.
I just I'm with you. Is it it? You know, listen,
it's not a thing that has really compelled me by
the way. You know, I probably should admit this on air.
I didn't really watch any any of any of it,
and it was like, I know, there wasn't much else on.
I had college hoops on. I was kind of talking
to producer bre putting together the show, and it was
just it was just it it. There was no interest

(01:26:35):
for me in it at all. And I do think
like it does diminish it a little bit now to
your point. Uh, First of all, I would even add
part of the reason that mac McClung is so much
better at dunking than everybody else is because he literally
doesn't work on any other skills other than that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
That's all I has to do is practice dunking. But
they even mentioned that this was kind of stunning to
me since you weren't paying attention, I'll drop this nutties
on you. They now, and Vince Carter said this because
Carter was doing commentary on this, which I did want
to hear, like that was gonna be interesting. I wanted
to hear how he evaluated what was happening and the
emotions and all those things. But like he said that
there's now dunk coaches for all these guys, really that

(01:27:12):
they have dunk coaches, And then it came out it
seemed like they all had the same dunk coach, or
almost all of them did, because they were utilizing the
guy to throw them the ball and he couldn't do it.
And you had two of them that couldn't even finish
within their minute and a half time on their first dunk,
and all this kind of stuff, and it's like you
got dunk coaches for like guys that are actually in

(01:27:32):
the NBA. It makes sense for mag McClung because he
can spend three hundred and sixty five days a year
practicing dunks and then he could show up on this
day and make a little bit of money. And look,
this is no shade on him, the fact that they're
letting him in it. He should go out there and
show out and good on him, and it's fun to
watch him do his thing. But it is basically like
going to a circus and see en a trapeze act.

(01:27:54):
Like it's not this is not basketball, this is not
the NBA, this is not even the guys who are
getting paid to be a part of this weekend. He's
He's just a side show act that is incredibly talented.
He is I don't know, the Phoenix Sun's Gorilla from
back in the day, or like the plate spinners or
whatever at mid court. Like he is a sideshow act,

(01:28:16):
a really fun side show act to watch. But is
that really your dunk contest? I'm not sure you should
have one if that's what you've got.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Yeah, I don't really know what else to add. I
just I just am blown away by and again, you know,
I mean I feel like this is Bash Adams Silver Hour,
but I mean, why wouldn't it be. It's just it's
just one of these so many issues that the NBA
has is like not mac McClung, not the dunk but
like the dunk contest doesn't matter, All Star weekend doesn't matter,

(01:28:47):
the regular season doesn't matter, Guys don't play. It's like,
you know, you see somebody that you know isn't in
good health, It's like, yeah, it doesn't really matter if
they brush their teeth, if their internal organs are falling apart,
you know, And it's like, I just it's just such
a metaphor for the league.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
Is like.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
You have you literally have a guy that's not in
the NBA. What are the NBA dunckt COT tests? Like
It's just I don't even know what else there is
to say. And it's so sad because I know you
feel the same way. I know are a ton of
our audience feels the same way. The NBA used to
be must watch TV. And it isn't just oh, is
the skill level better now than it was before? Because

(01:29:25):
that's what you know, Like when JJ Reddick was in
the media. Oh you guys that claim you liked the
nineties basketball, It's like, go back and watch those games.
They were unwatchable and it's like, no, they weren't. Yeah,
and it was real competition. I mean, I'll tell you this,
and now I'm just totally going off the rails here,
but I mean I was watching Alabama Auburn today one
versus two, and it was like they were playing so

(01:29:46):
freaking hard and nobody would ever argue that there is
skilled as dudes in you know, the NBA, But it
was like, I just I was really trying to think
of the scenario where guys in the NBA would play
as hard as those guys, And I mean the only
thing I could think of was even a Game seven
of the NBA Finals. I don't know that they would
have gone as hard from start to finish. So total sidetrack,

(01:30:10):
nothing to do with anything.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
Contracts are guaranteed.

Speaker 5 (01:30:12):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
Yeah, well I'll say this. You know, that's been kind
of a hot button issue and I don't know how
you get out of that. I don't either, but yeah,
it's and it's like the other thing it's.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
Gonna be, by the way, You're not gonna feel better
about this twenty four hours from now, because the All
Star Game is not gonna work like the what they're
trying to do this thing is, this thing is gonna
be a mockery. I'm afraid I do not think anybody
is gonna take it seriously. And I mean those watching, yes,
but I don't think anybody on the floor is gonna
take it seriously either. It's going to be the talking

(01:30:45):
point Monday is going to be exactly what you think
it's gonna be regarding the NBA All Star Game, which
is this thing needs to be put out to pasture.
And at some point Adam Silver needs a good headline
because he's coming off right now what we just talked about.

Speaker 5 (01:30:59):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
Also Kitlin Clark saying no. Also Luka Dancic's trade information.
Also apparently Finland US Hockey out drawing your doubleheaders on
ESPN and TNT. All of these things are happening, and
you have an All Star Game that's an absolute joke
happening in a season that that seems to be the

(01:31:20):
only thing that has made any news about your league
this year is the trade deadline. That's it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
No, And it's funny because I was talking to producer
Bree before the show about just where we are. And
I think the other thing too. They keep trying to
fix everything, and it's like, you don't like even like
the skills competition, like it was different this year than
it was last year. And it's like, I'm not saying
that anyone's tuning in for the skills come to but
how can like you get excited about something if it's

(01:31:45):
changing every single year. By the way, was there even
a three point contest tonight? I've seen zero buzz?

Speaker 3 (01:31:50):
Yes there was Tyler hero one.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Okay, well that makes sense. I don't know, man, It's
just it's just I this was a once great league
and it's just an abomination. I mean, there's so many
holes leaking from the Titanic.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
It's like, but matt Man, the NBA has become Captain America,
Brave New World, like the Captain America films or Can't Miss.
First One was really good, Winter Soldier was a just
unbelievable movie. Civil Wars still talked about all this kind
of stuff, and then Brave New World comes out and
it barely has a fifty percent on Rotten Tomatoes. The

(01:32:24):
audience doesn't like it. It's not seen as essential at all,
despite the fact that it has talented people and it's
got you know, Harrison Ford's in it, Anthony Mackie's in it,
some big names are in it. It's a franchise that
has you know, history behind it and all this kind
of stuff. It's gonna bomb, man, It's not going to
make money. And you look at the NBA same thing.
There's a lot of talented people in the Lake. There's

(01:32:45):
some big names in that league. But that league right
now is just not it's not cool anymore. Like it's
just there's no reason to be paying attention to it.
And honestly, if you're the commissioner, that falls completely at
your feet. You have to find a way to take
control of league, market it right and get your own
players to buy into the idea of actually making it

(01:33:07):
a product again. And right now they are not doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
I just I don't even know where you begin. It's
just such a rotten apple. It's like, I don't I
don't even I mean, one, I just think you have
to start with a new commissioner. That's one. But two,
I just I mean, I I just don't even know
how you start. And I'll add this too. I just
I don't know how you can be a player and
not be embarrassed by what this thing has become. I mean,

(01:33:32):
you go back, you know, you watch All Star Game
highlights with Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant. I mean,
we don't have to go back to Magic Johns. That's
thirty five years ago, forty years ago, Kobe Bryant fifteen
years ago. And it's like, if you're a player, you
should be embarrassed. But you know, maybe when you're making
forty fifty sixty million.

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
It's just I'm frustrated because this was a lead that
I used to love, that I used to follow, and
it's just there's just so many things wrong with it,
so many these wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
That's a larm Look, hey man, you've even got the
the pulse of the league. Draymond Green, great call calling
NBA games boring. I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
I wasn't planning on going that direction, But since producer
bre works so hard to get that sound in and
Mary works so hard to push one button to play it,
we'll go ahead and do that next. Draymond Green, very
interesting comments.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
That's next.

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Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Welcome back everybody, Fox Sports Radio er tors Jason Martin
broadcasting live from the tire Raq dot com studios. J Martin,
We've been talking a lot about All Star weekend. You know,
we have all this great dack sound Aaron Rodgers. Maybe
we'll get to him at a minute, but I'll tell

(01:34:56):
you what, man bash in the NBA sure is fun,
isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
I Mean, this is the weekend that you can kind
of do it. I hate doing it because I I
want to like this league a lot more right now
than I do because I've loved it so much in
the past, and I think that it's right to call
it out right now because they're doing a whole lot
of things to make there. It's low hanging through at
this point.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
You know, I'll say this too really quick because didn't
want to get to the Draymond Green sound. Now we're
just getting into personal opinion and maybe it's not fair
and why does my opinion matter that? I also, I
was telling somebody this the other day, I forget it
was somebody in this studio. I can't remember who. You know,
there's no storylines until Luca happened. I also just don't

(01:35:40):
find this wave of players to be as compelling as
previous generations. You know, like Anthony Edwards is kind of
getting there, but he's not quite there yet, and you know,
we'll see what happens with him. And like Tatum's a
really good guy, but like, you know, he's not like
that super compelling guy like jokicch obviously, you know, it's
out of a withdrawn guy shake Giljess. Alexander has to

(01:36:02):
be the most boring superstar that we've ever seen. Like
he plays boring, he is boring. He ever said. I
don't know, I just don't. I feel like I'm being
too mean to the NBA today. But tell you what,
no who else was kind of mean to the NBA today,
Draymond Green. Draymond Green, as we said, it is obviously
not only All Star weekend, but all the players there

(01:36:23):
have media availability. And so I bring it up because
Draymond Green was asked about all sorts of things, and
he had this to say about the state of the NBA.

Speaker 7 (01:36:31):
I think the physicality has been taken out of the game,
and to meet us boring, the old style of referee
would come back where if you've earned stripes you get
a better whistle. That's just the way it used to go.
And now it's not that way. And then you question why,

(01:36:54):
like why is the game boring?

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
So let me say this really quick and I'll toss
it over to you. So I don't know about all
the stripes of Oh, this guy has to earn his
right to get foul calls. The ironic part about that comment,
there is a lot of irony. Yeah, that is true too,
But the ironic part about that comment the first part.
As matter of fact, Mary Mack played one more time
because I want to make sure to hear it correctly.
And before I say anything, I.

Speaker 7 (01:37:18):
Think the physicality has been taken out of the game
and to meet that's born the old style of referee
and would come back where if you've earned stripes you
get a better whistle.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
That's just the way it used to go.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
So he said the physicality of the NBA, So why
I find that funny? This was the point that I
tried to make three years ago, and JJ Reddick tried
to shout me down on Twitter. I'm not going to
tell the whole story again, but I'm watching an Elite
eight game between Villanova and Houston, and I was like,
whatever I said, you know, we'd see you know, this

(01:37:57):
was kind of when the scoring explosion first started to
happen in the NBA, And I'm like, well, we'd see
a lot of games in the seventies and eighties if
NBA players were allowed to play that type of defense. Now,
obviously JJ reddicks a little bit of a knucklehead, that's fine.
He perceived me saying that there's no defense in the NBA,
when what I was saying was is that you can't
play defense like certain teams in college or any level.

(01:38:18):
It's not just college basketball's high school basketball. It's Internet like,
you can't play that way. And so again, I understand
that maybe the nineties era, when there were a lot
of games in the eighties and low nineties, wasn't the
sexiest brand of play, but it's like anything else, it
can go too far the other way as well, where

(01:38:39):
you know, you try to change the rules, you eliminate
hand checking, and now you just got all these games
where nobody's playing defense, and obviously I think it's all
tied into the analytics as well, more three pointers whatever.
But it's kind of funny because that was the point
I made three years ago and a current sitting NBA
head coach told me I was wrong. Full circle. Draymond
agrees that I'm right, But just big pictures, not about me,
just just the thought on what Draymond had to say today.

Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
Yeah, so you know your league's in trouble when the
vontees perfect of your spa is starting to make sense,
I mean really like he goes on later and he says,
every possession is like a chess move. Where it used
to be, you don't get that today in the NBA.
You don't get it on a regular basis. It's just
who can run faster, who can hit more threes. It's

(01:39:24):
no substance. I think it's very boring. Of course, it's
your team that instituted that whole three point thing, and
now it's been taken. It's been made into a mockery
by a lot of teams that can't even shoot thirty
three percent from three and yet continue to do it.
I think there was a game back in December between
I think it may have been the Bulls and the

(01:39:44):
Hornets and the teams combined for like twenty of ninety
something from three.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
To remember he text me about it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
Yet, just absolutely preposterously bad. But one thing that was
mentioned was Bryant saying back in the day that basically
that basketball was becoming what's called accidental basketball. In his ideas,
he goes, it's penetrating pitch. You might make the shot,
you might not, And that's that's what he said the

(01:40:13):
NBA game was becoming. He said that, I think shortly
before he is passing. And Draymond Green commented on that
comment as part of this interview, and he said, yeah,
he was right. He couldn't have been more right in
what he was saying about this, but like the whole
like I should essentially one of the things he's saying there,
which I do find just kind of hilarious, is I

(01:40:34):
should be getting calls because I've won championships and all
this other kind of stuff. I mean, I do think
he's saying that, like this is a dude who Yeah,
you don't get the whistles anymore, just like Rashid Wallace,
Like you're gonna get all the whistles against you. Rashid
had his moments, but you've taken it to a completely
different level. But I think the overarching point is right.

(01:40:56):
It is a boring game and the three point shot
is part of it. And there's a podcast from a
couple of years ago I think where Steph is kind
of fighting back against this idea that he killed basketball,
and he's just like, listen, man, I didn't tell those
idiots to start shooting threes. Mm hm, Like he was
looking around. It's like I didn't tell him to take
that shot. He's even said, he goes, I probably would

(01:41:16):
have taken that shot, but I certainly wouldn't have told
him to take that shot. And I think that's right.
Like I do think that the analytics of all of
this has wrecked it all because they've seen, well, you
should take threes and not mid range jumpers. I think
Damian Loward said that during All Star Weekend this weekend
as well, that they're being urged. It's like, you either
get a layup or a three, do not take mid

(01:41:37):
range jumpers. And it's just like because because of the
way that the math works out and the percentages. But
I do think that that it's being that the league
is being micro managed. From that perspective to a degree
that a lot of this is sameness. A lot of
it is just watching guys run down the floor and
take the first open three, or as Kobe said, just

(01:41:57):
get into the lane and kick it out and maybe
they're gonna make the three, maybe not, but they're just
gonna keep on doing that up and down the floor
on both sides. And that, to me is just not
interesting to watch. That's that's not fun And that's not
the basketball that I grew up on, either college or
the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:42:13):
Well, no, and I think that all of the we've
talked about it, but the analytics I think have have killed.
I think it's hurt coverage of baseball, and I think
it's it's hurt the NBA because it's exactly what you said.
Everything's micromanaged. It's just not a good product to watch.

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
It's just it's not a good product to watch. And
so tell you what, we could go on and on
about the NBA. We've done enough NBA bashing for one night.
We'll come back. How about we do some cowboys bashing instead?

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
Sure, Dak Prescott, interesting comments, Mary make sure to have
the Dak Prescott sound ready. All right, we'll do that
in just one moment before we do though final time
this evening, Steve di Sega. What's trending?

Speaker 6 (01:42:52):
I will add in the three point discussion that back
when Steph Curry was probably five years old, Rick Patino's
Kentucky team was shooting twenty five threes ye in forty
minute college game.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
But you know what's interesting about Rick Patino. He has
a top ten team, they shoot some of the fewest
three pointers in college basketball. Because he basically said, I
was putting my guys through workouts and they couldn't hit them.
And so that's actually John's nasty to Saint John's now
in twenty and because I said something recently on one
of my other shows, and I said something about, you know,
Rick Patino doesn't believe in the three, and everyone's like,

(01:43:23):
you're an idiot, you don't know, and I'm like, no,
what I'm saying is that's real coaching. He knows his
team is not good at shooting threes, so he relies
on defense, the mid range game, offensive rebound, things like that.

Speaker 6 (01:43:34):
I'm sorry I would add that Patino's Kentucky teams could
hit more than a third of their three points. I
mean yeah, every year. I looked up that box score
Bulls Hornets earlier this season, they combined from three point
range to be twenty two of ninety seven, which means
they missed seventy five three point attempts in one game.

(01:43:55):
That set the NBA record.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
People bought tickets. What I mean, man, W saw that
I could go to high school games and see that
bad high school game.

Speaker 6 (01:44:04):
I will gim and see that at Chicago earlier this week,
eighteen thousand people book tickets for that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
The Pistons game. Yes, go ahead, because I have a
comment on that, but go ahead.

Speaker 6 (01:44:16):
Chicago started oh of twenty from three point range. By halftime,
the home team was losing seventy one twenty nine. So
I'm the Pistons. I was at home.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
I think it came on right after a college game,
and I happen to have Sports Center on the background.
It was Scott Van Pelt and Stanford Steve and They're like,
you won't believe what this score is. And I give
credit to the people of Chicago for showing up. I
was like, imagine being a paying customer. The fans deserve
freaking better than that. I know Chicago has some injuries whatever,
but it's like, what are we doing? It's embarrassment.

Speaker 6 (01:44:49):
Yeah, and about the nineties NBA, there were some unwatchable
pacers playoff games that ever call where pistons and you know,
it's sixty nine to sixty five the.

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
Effort, That's what I was gonna say. At least she
felt like they were competing.

Speaker 6 (01:45:02):
Absolutely, they were, and the rules were a little different,
let's be honest. And the three point line was not,
you know, next to the freedom line either. As for
the live golf, it is finishing up and on Fox
TV and the winner is Joaquin Neeman down Under at Australia. Meanwhile,
in San Diego at the PG event, Patrick Rodgers leads
by one. Roy McElroy shot a third round seventy four

(01:45:24):
falls to a tie for eighth. There is the Daytona
five hundred TV Coverageohn Fox Sunday Race, due to begin
at two pm Eastern time. They will have rain at
some point in the afternoon. At Daytona in Montreal, Tonight
Hockey's Four Nations faceoff saw the US beat Canada three
to one, including an empty net goal late so the
US two to zero and the round robin, and will

(01:45:44):
therefore already we know will be in the Thursday night
Championship game at NBA All Stars Saturday Night Slam Dunk
Contest winner Mac McClung from the G League for a
third straight year, The Dodgers full squad workouts at spring
training started today the Cubs yesterday. It'll be dodd against
Cubs to open the regular season in March in Tokyo,
with those games beginning at six am Eastern time. Sho

(01:46:07):
hey Otani threw his first bullpen session today, just fourteen pitches,
all fast balls, but the team was encouraged and he
could face live hitters by the time LA breaks camp
next month. The Dodgers will use a five man pitching
rotation after all, until o'tanni returns to pitch in May,
since they are built in off days in the early schedule.
Pitcher Max Friedex of Atlanta had his first session on

(01:46:27):
the mound at Yankees camp today. He's starting an eight
year contract. Brave Star pitcher Spencer Streyder could throw in
at least one spring training game next month after elbow
surgery a year ago. Could pitch in April. Rangers pitcher
Jacob de Grom through his first bullpen session of training camp.
He came back from Tommy John surgery late last season.
In late night college hoops at Utah, the Utes beat

(01:46:48):
number seventeen Kansas seventy four to sixty seven. Texas at
home beat number fifteen Kentucky eighty two to seventy eight
Kentucky in Conference six and six Number one Auburn a
winner at number two Alabama ninety four eighty five. Three
weeks left in the men's basketball season regular season Auburn
two end the campaign will be hosting Alabama. By the way,

(01:47:10):
Auburn today led nine to nothing early on three three pointers.
Bama was playing uphill the rest of the day. They
were down nine at the half. Wins in the top
ten for Florida and duke for Texas, A and M
and Iowa State, but perdue ranks seventh lost at home
to sixteenth rank Wisconsin ninety four to eighty four as
the Badger scored fifty eight points in the second half,

(01:47:30):
and Purdue lost its other game this week as well,
at first place Michigan.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve Sagre. Every
great evening Sagreb be back tomorrow. Arnie Spanier, Chris Plank,
Willard ephrom Slam. We are tours tomorrow. We're taking you
up till two am Eastern time here on Fox Sports Radio.
We referenced it just a second ago, but a little
bit of a quieter week post Super Bowl. Everybody got

(01:47:54):
off their Super Bowl takes and not a ton happening
from there. However, it was interesting Dak Scott asked about
the state of the Dallas Cowboys. Here is what Dak
had to say.

Speaker 8 (01:48:05):
I feel like we could bee with the Eagles and
beat him for the most part when we played them.
I don't want to say, check the record when the
other guy's holding the trophy right now. Credit to them,
they've earned and they deserved it by all means.

Speaker 6 (01:48:16):
But very close.

Speaker 8 (01:48:17):
Especially even watched the NFC game with the NFC Championship
and those two teams, teams that we battled against each
and every year a couple of times, and as I said,
feel confident about we've gotten the better part each and
every time. To see them just see in a sense
of dominating fashion. Credit to them. It's our turning us
on us.

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
So let me ask you, Jamar I mean, listen, if
he went out and said, oh, compared to those guys,
we got no chance. I mean, that's clearly not what
the fan base wants to hear. But the last time
we saw Dak on a sideline, it was against the
Falcons before he got hurt, and I think that was
the day that you and I hosted Red Zone Radio
and he was literally caught on video saying darn, we

(01:48:54):
freaking suck it. I think I'm paraphrasing a little bit
here for our audience. So what do we think about
Dak Skobetz from this after or from this week about
the state of the Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
I mean, you have to sound confident. It's your job
to do that. You want to reassure the fan base,
and you want to sound like you believe in your team.
But I think you don't have to go quite that far.
I think it was that he kept on talking, and
actually the more he kept talking, the less I felt
like he believed what he was saying, because he kept

(01:49:26):
trying to credit that Well, I get it, they're bad.
They're good, but you know we're coming. But but they're good,
but we're coming, and it's about to be our time.
I think you can just say, look, man, last couple
of years haven't been when we wanted him to be.
Still a lot of talented players on this football team.
We're coming. We know, you know, we got we got
some room to grow, and all this kind of stuff,
like you can you can say something where you where

(01:49:49):
you come across as confident and hungry while also cognizant
of where you actually are. And the problem for Dak
Prescott right now is that your head coach is Brian Schottenheimer,
and the press conference with Brian Schottenheimer and Jerry Jones
was all about Jerry Jones and not at all about

(01:50:10):
your head coach. And so many of the things that
are being said, whether it's from Michael Parsons or here
from Dak and all this, all of this sounds phony.
It all sounds fake, like there's there's not a there's
no there there. This is kind of the way I
hear like when I hear this, just like, Dak, don't
say so much, man, like you don't I know what

(01:50:32):
you are trying to do here. Just say, hey, man,
we got a good football team. We're gonna come out,
We're gonna come out hungry, We're gonna have a better
year next year, Like say whatever you want to say,
and then go on the field and let your let
your planing do this. Like, I don't think you needed
to go into this long soliloquy about yeah, man, we're close.
We've watched them, we beat them, Like yeah, that's cool, man.
Every team in the league has beaten every other team

(01:50:54):
at some point in the past. Like that has nothing
to do with a price of tea in China, Like
we we can find a different way to go about
this discussion. And I mean, you know, Dak has he's
gonna have a microphone in front of him a lot
of times, and probably those are not the best words
that he's ever said. And I'm sure he would probably

(01:51:14):
agree with that. But I definitely feel like the more
he talked, the more obvious it was how far they
actually have to go, because he couldn't stop talking. And
that's the only way to like make who are you
trying to convince here, Dak? I think you're trying to
convince yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
I think so too. Dallas Cowboys not very good right.

Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
Now fighting Shottenheimer's man o, my god.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
They hired the offensive coordinator off a terrible team who
didn't even call plays, but we got listen, we got
all August, September, October, November, January.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
Fili Ki Wellman, we have we already mentioned Matt Patricia.
I mean Ohio State had become less likable.

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
Wow, well we could discuss that. Next one segment left
Fox Sports. Are you welcome back? Everybody? Fox Sports radio
er tords Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the tai Iraq
dot Com studios, taken you up til two am Eastern.
Bernie Frado of The Bernie Fratto Show will follow us,
and my goodness, very excited to hear what Bernie has

(01:52:15):
to say about everything. So for the break, j Mars
just threw something out there. You know, we don't you know,
it's February. We don't talk a ton of college football
in this window, and I don't think we would necessarily
if Ohio State had just so happened to hire a

(01:52:36):
defensive coordinator. Ohio State won the National Championship about a
month or so ago, but they had to replace both coordinators.
Chip Kelly goes to the NFL. By the way, J
mart did you see what Chip Kelly is gonna make
to be the Raiders offensive coordinator. No, he is going
to make six million dollars to be a coordinator. It's like, yeah,

(01:53:00):
because because it came out and it's like, oh, I
thought Chip Kelly and Ryan Day were best friends. Why
would you bail on your best friend? And it's like, well,
he's making six million dollars. It's like, you know, that's why.

Speaker 3 (01:53:12):
Quarterback gonna beat hip. He might.

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
I mean, maybe that's what they're paying him for. To
you gonna have to take a couple of snaps under center.
I mean, listen, I spend money how you want. I know,
the NFL is printing money. Six million dollars for a
coordinator is crazy. But anyway, uh so, Jim Kelly's gone.
But I'll say this too, Jim Knowles the defensive coordator

(01:53:35):
leaving for Penn State. That's certainly very interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:53:38):
Yes it is.

Speaker 2 (01:53:40):
Do you want to I don't know if you have
any Jim Knowles tanks.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
I just find there's not. I mean, obviously, Jim Knowles
is a name that that carries some weight right now,
and Penn State already had a lot of talent. Now
they're gonna lose Abdul Carter and but I mean they're
They're a team that is fielded a good defense for
quite some time, and so you're adding a very smart
defensive mind. So that's just gonna make been more formidable there.
But the question marks about Penn State are going to

(01:54:04):
be about the offense, how many points they can score,
and whether or not you can take all or to
the next level by giving him some talent on the
wide receiver side of the ball so that he doesn't
have to rely on those two running backs all the time,
and you know, his growth is going to determine where
they go. Their defense wasn't their problem, but they certainly
got a nice name.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
They certainly did. And in Jim Knowles's place, leaving the
Ohio State for Penn State, Matt Patricia. Yeah, the rocket scientist.

Speaker 3 (01:54:36):
Say what?

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
He was the defensive coordinator for three Super Bowls for
the New England Patriots. They won two of them. Wasn't
a very good head coach. Then he came back to
New England. They put him in charge of the offense,
which is more of a Bill Belichick thing than a
Matt Patricia thing. But but yeah, Matt Patricia, new defensive coordinator.
Where were you and what did you think of that one.

(01:54:57):
When that one crossed the news desk.

Speaker 3 (01:54:59):
I just kind of laughed. I was just like, man,
when you think of Patricia after his first run in
New England, when he went to Detroit and the stuff
that the Lions players had to say about him, the
ones that left and went elsewhere, and just everything about
that tenure, the bloom fell off that roads big time,

(01:55:20):
and like nothing good was really said about him. And
now he gets to Ohio State, and immediately I was
just like, man, if you're not an Ohio State ban
you probably don't like Ohio State very much. That I
think that feels like a genuine consensus. It's kind of
the same thing with an Alabama or some of those
kind of schools. But Patricia doesn't make it easier to
root for Ohio State for most of those same people,

(01:55:41):
is what I'm saying. Like, I think this just puts
a bigger target on their back. Like I mean, yes,
you lost the Chip Kelly of it all, and some
people didn't like Chip, but I think Patricia has a
much worse reputation than Chip Kelly does. So I just
kind of look at that and I'm just like, man,
you want to create a villain you have, because like
Patricia is not somebody that's gonna endere Ohio State to

(01:56:04):
anybody that's on the fence.

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
I don't disagree. I'm just curious. Like you know, sometimes
these big names go to like high profile spots and
you're like, well, it's gotta work, and it just doesn't.
I can't think of necessarily anybody specific that would come
to mind, but it's like, oh, you know, he failed
as a head coach or he failed as this, but
he'll be great there. And it's like no, sometimes guys

(01:56:29):
are just washed up and I'll be curious there. I mean,
it is worth noting he was completely out of football
this year after he got fired by the Patriots. Now,
you know part of it. Maybe he doesn't have a
huge network outside of Belichick and Belichick's tree, but it
isn't It's certainly interesting. It's been kind of interesting too
to see kind of the Belichick crew kind of land

(01:56:49):
all over the place. You know, McDaniels is back in
New England, Steve Belichick is with with with Belichick in
North Carolina. It's just just an interesting, interesting couple months.

Speaker 3 (01:57:02):
I mean, Jim Trussell is pretty interesting too, if you
just want to stay with Ohio State. The fact that
Jim Trussell is now the Lieutenant governor of Ohio is
fascinating to me. Like, that's who Mike DeWine picked to
be the lieutenant governor. He was confirmed thirty one to
one in the Ohio Senate and sixty eight twenty seven
in the House. So I mean, Jim Trussell, who you

(01:57:26):
know at one point was hit with a scandal, is
now the lieutenant governor of the state of Ohio. We
always said that the college football coach in some of
these states where the team is big, is more important
than the politicians. Well now you have former college football
coach that won a national championship there that is a politician.
So here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:57:47):
Tommy Tubberville in Alabama too.

Speaker 6 (01:57:48):
Right, that's right now.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
So all right, I don't have very much else. It's
been a fun show.

Speaker 3 (01:57:53):
Uh you'll be watching the All Star Game.

Speaker 2 (01:57:56):
Uh, well, one, I'll be traveling, But two, I would
I would not spend thirty seconds even considering.

Speaker 3 (01:58:02):
I'm gonna have to probably tune in because me and
No we're hosting two pros on Monday morning.

Speaker 2 (01:58:07):
Bro, you have three hours of content right there. I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:58:11):
Nothing to recap the entire game.

Speaker 2 (01:58:13):
No, not recap it, just what a debacle it's become,
Like how embarrassing it is.

Speaker 3 (01:58:18):
I think I'm just gonna be like, you know what
I did think about. I thought about how much I
enjoyed listening to Hub Brown and how sad I am
that he's finally stepped out, Like he's just an absolute
legend and just one of the greatest announcers ever when
it comes to just color and explaining basketball in a
way that anybody can grasp. He just understood it in
a different way, and he was like a consummate gentleman.

(01:58:41):
And just the fact that he was doing it in
his nineties. What a life, What a life?

Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
Yeah, heb Brown has called his last NBA game. That
was last weekend. So yeah, NBA lost another good one.
We got to get out here. When I think the crew,
Mary Mack on the board, producer Brie Steve Di Seger,
from my partner Jason Martin. I'mried torus, do me have America?
You wanna do us a favor? Make sure to download
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off air. Talked a lot of NBA All Star weekend

(01:59:08):
being a debacle, NFL Super Bowl and much more. I
want to thank you guys again for listening. I want
to thank the crew, and now it's time to toss
it over our buddy Bernie Fratto of The Bernie Freddo Show.
We'll be back next Saturday. This is Fox Sports Ordio.

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