Andy Furman & Bucky Brooks Discuss Shedeur Sanders Fall From Grace, NFL Draft Is Over, No Love For Cam Ward In The Top Spot, And More!

Andy Furman & Bucky Brooks discuss Shedeur Sanders falling into the 5th round of The NFL Draft to the Browns and why that happened. Andy and Bucky also now dissect the draft now that it is over and wonder about what teams did well and even some snubs. Plus, the guys wonder why Cam Ward isn't being talked about since he went 1st overall, a whole lot of blame going around in the Blame Game, Yay Or Nay, and much more!!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
So we're gonna tell you why in just about a minute.
But good morning, good morning, it's that time. It's Fox
Sports Sunday. Were broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios,
Andy Furman. Here's my partner, my friend, Bucky Brooks, Bucky Hawaii.
Isn't over yet. It isn't over yet. This marathon is over.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
It is finally over.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
The draft is over, the weekend is uh has been
a success, and so I'm ready to move forward. You
know what?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
The big question was the big question for the entire
week about she do Sander's The big question was, what's
gonna happen first? She do Sander's getting drafted? Or are
they gonna pick a new pope? What's gonna happen first?
Really that was the question. All right, I guess Sander's
got picked first. You know, this is the only draft
and like since I remember, you know, number one probably

(00:50):
one of the weakest drafts, and number two, more hype
and more discussion on a kid that wasn't drafted early
on than the guys that were drafted. Real, that's basically
what this draft was all about.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Yeah, but like the hype and the concern or intrigue
was understandable given the way that drafts have been kind
of sold over the last twenty years.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Everything is about the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
We spend most of the time talking about Shadur Sanders
and Cam Ward because we are fascinated with quarterbacks. And
even though everyone has told us and I would tell
you that the quarterbacks were not the best players in
the draft, because of our fascination with the position, because
of the John Wayne mythical creation that we have with quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
That's what we spent.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Our time on and that's ultimately what the coverage was.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
And we're right.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
We did a diskservice to a bunch of guys who
were drafted because we spent a lot of time obsessing
over where should Sanders was going to go?

Speaker 2 (01:54):
And I apologize because we're full strength today. Our guy
Patrick is bat Patrick. Welcome back. We missed you last week.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
How are you.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
I'm good.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
I missed you guys too. I'm glad to be back.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
I did you enjoy your birthday? Pressent? A bucket and
I got you on the two of us.

Speaker 6 (02:08):
I'll tell you what Andy, after watching my Seahawks do
an impressive draft. I had no choice but to use
the gift, just to make sure I wasn't dreaming or
wasn't you know all that stuff, I had to use it.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
I didn't clean that thing out. I mean, we got
you a Wisitator. That's what you wanted. So I mean,
is it washable? I mean I never used o wizinator,
but you wanted one, so we got you one.

Speaker 6 (02:30):
I'll tell you what, how is it washable? Very very carefully?
But hey, you know what, we got to work and
it's good to go.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
I'm glad to have We're glad to have you back. Okay,
so we're full strength and mock dress or over, thank goodness.
And just to make an official can we hear the
fifth round pick number one forty four of Shador Sanders
yesterday in the drift?

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Can we hear that?

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Please?

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Is this the moment.

Speaker 7 (02:56):
The Seattle Seahawks have treated forty fourth pick to the
Cleveland Browns With the one hundred and forty fourth pick
in the twenty twenty five NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns
select suresh.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Listen to reaction, all right, so it finally it happened.
Then people were waiting holding their breath. But when you
think about it, Buck, basically that's the way it's supposed
to be. Everybody thought he was going to go to
Cleveland anyway. The only problem he's going to have now
is have to beat out like some more quarterbacks because
they drafted another one prior to him. And I guess
he's gonna lose a ton of money. But he he's

(03:39):
got a shot and there's a good opportunity there for
him to be a starting quarterback. Got the Cleveland Browns
as everybody suggested.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Uh yeah, I mean, ultimately is where you go now
when you go, and you want to go to the
right spot to give you a legitimate opportunity to have
an impact on team, to have an impact on the
league against your der. Sanders has that, and despite all
of the ups and downs, the emotional roller coaster that
was draft weekend for him, he'll have an opportunity to

(04:09):
show and prove how good he is.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
And most guys, that's all they're looking for, that's.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
All they want, and so he will have an opportunity
to shut up the naysators, to prove his supporters right.
But he'll have to do it between the lines, and
he'll have to do it without the support of his
dad orchestrating everything between the lines, you know.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
And everybody was looking at that because I think milk
Kuipers is so called draft guru, and I give the
guy a lot of credit. He's been around for a
long time, held that job, works hard at it, you know,
and you would think that, you know, his life was
over because theyd the didn't picture doors sand this in
the first round. As a matter of fact, we have
melk Kuiper going crazy right now. Let me just take
a listen to mel Kiper yesterday. What do you have

(04:51):
to say when they drafted should do her?

Speaker 8 (04:53):
The NFL has been fluids for fifty years when it
comes to evaluating quarterback, clueless all that no idea what
they're doing in terms of evaluating quarterback. That's proof, there's
proof of that. We know exactly what we're talking about
with quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
They don't.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Here's the problem. I mean, mel you made a mistake.
And it's okay. You know, it's not a big deal.
You don't work for a team. You're not a scout,
you never played the game, you're not a personnel guy.
You picked them up there and it didn't They didn't draft.
It would have been a lot nicer for you just
go up public and say I goofed, I made a mistake,
I was wrong. But he's pointing fingers at guys that
do this for a living because they basically played the

(05:31):
game and work for a team. I don't understand how
you could be so egotistical that you can say you
were wrong.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Well, no, because I don't think what we do is
not when we're evaluating players. It's not playing the guessing
game in terms of when they get picked. What we're
doing is suggesting how they're going to play when they
get to the league. The draft isn't the victory lat
for everybody because someone gets picked. The draft is the
pole position at the end of the day.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
In three years.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
That's when we know when people who were doing all
the analysis are right or wrong. I would say this,
there's no way that Shader Sanders was graded as a
fifth round pick around the league. There's not No doesn't
mean that he was the first quarterback, but he certainly
wasn't a quarterback that was universally viewed as someone that

(06:22):
was the sixth or seventh best quarterback in the league. Like,
that's not that even in text with guys from NFL things.
There were other things that play that came with it,
and the other things that play are the other things
that affect other people. When we use the word quote
unquote character, all right, character involves a couple of things.
There's moral character where people have committed heinous acts, crimes

(06:45):
and those things, and then there's football character, which revolves work, ethic, preparedness,
love of game, all of those things. I would say
that the things that impact that she dor Sanders beyond
his talent was the way that he handled the pre

(07:05):
draft process. He misevaluated where he was going, and they
made some decisions that impacted the way that teams perceived
him and made it where teams were like, yeah, we're good,
let's see if we can find another option, or let's
see if there's a player. If he's there and someone
else is there, is their position of need that has

(07:27):
more currency than this one. And that's what people did.
But I can't say that Mail Kaiper is wrong right now.
We won't know who's right or wrong until three or
four years when they actually play. The draft is nothing
but opinions that league people to make selections. It's not
the end all be all in terms of an indictment
or testimony on how someone's gonna play.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Well, I'm going to come right out now and say
I was wrong, and I was wrong last August, prior
to the football season the college level, and I said
that Ali Gordon was going to be the Heisman winner.
Ollie Gordon, the guy from Oklahoma State to the running back.
I thought he was a Heisman Trophy guy. You know
what happened yesterday, Round six, one hundred and seventy ninth pick,
Miami Dolphins. What happened to Ollie Gordon. No one talks
about Ali Gordon because he's not a quarterback, but he

(08:09):
was my guy. I thought he should have win the
Heisman Trophy but for the Cowboys of Oklahoma State, and
he dropped all the way down to round six. However,
I still think he'll be a good pro.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yeah, but the difference was you weren't saying in January
that Oli Gordon was going to be the first running
back taken. That's the difference. And look, we can fault
mill and I felt that exchange with Lewis and Mayl
was a good one. And I think what Lewis was
doing was providing the same kind of perspective that I
would have provided in terms of hey man, regardless of

(08:40):
what we on our side, I think it should do it.
The league has spoken, and the League has said that
Shadeur Sanders is the one hundred and forty fourth best
player in this draft. It is up to Shaduur Sanders
now to own that, to deal with that and to
prove himself right. And even though we on the some

(09:00):
of us may have been like, no, we feel like
he's a good pro he has these things or whatever,
you still have to live in the reality of this
is where he was picked, and in three years we'll
look back and say, you know what, the league was right.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
He should have been picked there.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
Tyler Shutt and Jackson Darr and Dylan Gabriel and Jaln
Milroe were better prospects than Shuder Sanders. Or we'll say, no,
they were wrong. The people who said Shoulder was good
was right and whatever. But we'll never know about any
of these guys because it's all projections until we play,

(09:35):
and when people play, we'll have an opportunity to see
if they are what we think they are.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
And some of the words I've seen associated with the
slide sort of speak of Shador Sanders yesterday a slide.
They call it a free full and embarrassment. And then
on social media people were going crazy. They call an
NFL collusion that teams got together because they just didn't
want to draft them because of his dad, because the
show the Hollywood is of him coming in, the Sanders

(10:02):
Show in that town. But here's the thing. I read
a couple of things about him. Obviously after the fact.
They said he ranked at number eight. He was a
good not a great prospect on the field, somewhere in
the Teddy Bridgewater to Geno Smith range, and Bridgewater was
the last pick in the first round of twenty fourteen.
Smith went in around two. And then, as you just said,
the maturity and off the field concerns are another key point.

(10:24):
That's an uncertain variable, which is already complicated. Now. I
had no idea that those meetings off the field meant
that much, because obviously there are teams that take guys
that have had, you know, issues of female issues, domestic issues,
things like that, and that's I think a bigger problem
than what he did. And obviously he was, you know,

(10:45):
a little bragocious if you will, that's what he was.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
I thought he was. Okay, so let's listen to what
you said.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
So the comparison was made to Teddy Bridge warning Gino Smith.
Teddy Bridgewater went to bottom of the first round. Gino
Smith was thirty four of the second round. So that's
the comparison that we're making. So thirty four compared.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
To one four is a huge Uh, that's a huge.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Disparity in terms of the talent. When we said the
talent is somewhere between Teddy Bridgewater and Gino Smith, Okay,
So then we say, oh, well, maybe the character stuff
dropped him down. Okay, Well, the character is no arrests,
no domestic violence charge, is nothing illegal on his on
his record or in his on his resume.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
So we're dinging him for being uber confident.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
We're dinging him for being the son of a Hall
of Famer Dionne Smith, who was flamboyant, and so that
is polarizing. We're dinging him because of the way that
he performed in pre draft interviews, where some would say
maybe he displayed immaturity or wasn't prepared for those things. Okay,
well that's that's significant. Now keep in mind on this board.

(11:58):
There are others who have far more heinous allegations and
accusations and things in their background, but they were drafted
before them. So what I would say is all things
are true, Meaning maybe some of us overestimated his talent
based on what.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
We thought league circles.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
Maybe there were some people that didn't want to take
him due to what could come him in the social media.
His dad's overbearing, the attention and speculation that will come
if you bring him into the building, maybe a Tim
Tebow like effect when it comes to the onslaught of
media attention. And then there's the do we really need

(12:43):
a quarterback right now? And is he worthy of being
the franchise quarterback. If he's not worthy of being the
franchise quarterback, do I want to deal with the headache
of everything else if he comes in as a backup.
So all of those things can be at play at
one time, and they could lead a team to be like,
you know what, it's not really worth disrupting the chemistry,

(13:06):
the continuity or the culture.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
So what we do is we'll find another player.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
But that also could mean in two three years down
the road, we could be like, well.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
That was silly.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
He was clearly the blankety blank best quarterback in the league,
and all of those teams miss. The thing is, we
can talk about it for three years, we won't know
until he picks up the ball and starts playing right.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
And the sad thing is, you're exactly right, but no
one judges mil Kuyper. Three years down the road, they
judge him down right. I mean, I don't know if
there's anybody.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
I mean, I mean, I think, I think, I think
the thing for mail and I will say this and
I've said this, and I put it on Twitter, like
here's the thing about the draft, and here's the thing
about it. We have created this thing where the draft
is super popular, right. It outrates the NBA playoffs and

(14:01):
there's nothing to it. We also have created this cottage
industry where we have a lot of people weighing in
on the draft. There are a lot of opinions. Some
of those opinions are well researched. Some of those things
are done by people who have to know how and
the intel of being in the business inside those meeting

(14:21):
rooms talking to scouts, being scouts or whatever. We also
have a lot of outside voices of quote unquote, and
this is not being disparaging. Want to be scouts who
weigh in on social who now have access to tape
and give their opinions. But guess what, all of it
is just opinionated. The only things that are factual is

(14:42):
when a player performs. And so because of I would say,
all of the information, the overwhelming information that appears online
on social and those things, there are a lot of
voices that tell us who's going to be what and
how they're going to perform and this and that those
opinions are valid. Some of those you probably shouldn't listen

(15:03):
to based on their backgrounds, but it's all out there
and what that does is that creates an expectation on
draft day on where players are going to go and
how they should go.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
And playing the guessing game.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
And last thing, since I'm on this, mock drafts are
is not scouting.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Doing a mock draft is not.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
A tool that scouts really use when they're really scouting players.
If you really want to scout players, you do evaluations,
you rank them in lists, and you go through it
that way. But a mock draft is a guessing game.
It's a guessing game on what people are going to do.
But no thirty two teams think alike, and so really

(15:45):
it's entertainment. There's no real value in a mock draft.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
I agree, That's why I don't do them. I know
it doesn't mean anything. It's a waste of time. And
you know, as you say, it's a guessing game, that's
what it is. But the funny thing is, and you
mentioned this several weeks ago, I think Brian Callahan, the
coach of the Titans, he may have been like the
only coach in the league. Maybe it was a smoke screen.
He said that Shudua Sanders was like Joe Burrow, right,
So that was a vote of confidence for sure. And

(16:11):
I didn't think Tennessee was going for Shuduer, but I thought,
for sure, either Cleveland or the New York Football Giants,
even New Orleans at number nine, these are teams that
needed a quarterback that he would go. And I thought
that maybe, And look, I'm not a guy that knows
talent because I talk about I'm a fan, but I
thought he was better than Tyler Schuk from Louisville. Thought

(16:32):
he was better than Dylan Gabriel. I really did, so
I didn't understand why he was bypassed that's the only thing,
And they used the term collusion. I mean, I don't get.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
It well, So I want some conclusion that all thirty
two teams didn't get good and have a thing against
the doer. The entire time we were having conversations about Shaduer.
The number one thing in evaluation and team building is
how does a prospect fit within a team scheme and culture,

(17:02):
Meaning when we're evaluating this is how scout's scout. When
I work for a team, I work for the Cincinnati Bengals,
I know how we play on offense and defense. When
I go on the road looking for players, I am
looking at them based on how they fit in with us.
I don't care what the rest of the league thinks

(17:23):
about them, because I don't work for the rest of
the league. I work for my team, and how this
player fits in my team determines how I rank them
on our board. When we look at the teams that
were in the quarterback mix, there were four teams that
we always talked about. We talked about Tennessee, we talked
about Cleveland, we talked about New York, and then New
Orleans came into effact. Tennessee early on in January, Brian

(17:47):
Callahan had the culotes where he talked about Shadur Sanders
being one of four elite prospects and the thing that
they were entertaining, and that's what the Titan said. He
also compared him to gain style to a he plays
with touch, timing and anticipation his game and his confidence
in the way that he plays his reminiscent of Joe Burrow.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
That was a quote from his mouth.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
Take it whether he was fuelent, fanning, smoke or whatever, like, that's.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
What he said.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
The Cleveland Browns were a team that fit him because
the way that Kevin Stefanski runs his offense suits the
game that Shadur Sanders plays with. When you talk about
Teddy Bridgewater, Gino Smith, lets say Kirk Cousins, Shardur Sanders
game is more like those guys, so that is a
natural fit. The New York Giants were thrown up because

(18:35):
New York needed a quarterback. However, Brian Dayball and Joe
Shane both had their most success when they were in
Buffalo with Josh Allen. Because of the success they had
with Josh Allen, naturally, Josh Allen is the mused by
which they're gonna use to look for their north Stary quarterback,
so Jackson Dark could run around do this.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
He fits shoulder. Sanders never fit their profile.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
They never really had a quarterback like that, not in
playing style, not in demeanor. And even though they really
exhausted their efforts looking at him, he just wasn't there type.
And they said that later and the New Orleans Saints
with Kellen Moore never was going to be the fit,
never was going to be the guy.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Just never was.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
It was a never serious consideration. They had a preference
for a different type guy. And so right now, of
the four, we only talked about one maybe two being
legitimate fits, and the other teams were out of the
game because everybody else had a quarterback. So for Shudur,
it was a very narrow path to find in a
home at quarterback.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, and the good news is is that he's ware
that everybody thought he would go. He was needed in Cleveland.
They wanted him initially, so he got there the bottle.
The only bad part of it is for Shadua is see,
I think he probably lost around thirteen million dollars he
was look right.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
Yeah, Okay, so he lost thirteen million dollars for years,
but what he gained and if you're talking about on
the positive, well what he gained him. But not being
a first round pick, he's not tied to the fifth
year option. He's also not necessarily tied to all of
the franchise franchise tag mechanisms and those things.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
If he does what he's supposed to do well in four.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
Years, he'll be able to re up and kind of
enjoy a similar trajectory to Jalen Hurts or what brock
Perry's about to do when he signs his fifty million
dollar deal.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Ultimately, it's on him.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
He can make that money back, but he is going
to have to earn it with his play. He won't
get the head start of being the first round pick
where the ball is handed to you and you are
anointed as a starter before you truly have to prove
that you're good enough to be a start in the league.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
I do want to say one thing because I just
notice how nasty people can be, because you know who's
bypassed around one, two, three, when all the way down
to like round five, and there were people that basically
were saying that they were gms on social media and
so he was drafted. I mean, really, the kid was
probably going through living hell. He really was. I mean
we didn't see it, but I'm sure he was kind

(21:09):
of wondering what's going on and these people are toying
with him on social media with AI. They were doing
AI saying he was drafted, and then they had an
AI thing that he was going to go back to college.
We can't go back to college and play again. But
he said he's leaving the NFL draft to go back
and play at Colorado again. I mean, do you have anything?

Speaker 4 (21:28):
But see, this is this is this is cool, like,
this is where we are. This is how people operate
in space, and so fans sometimes wonder where players kind
of look at fans like that because this is what
you get. One of the things that has happened that
didn't exist and yesteryear is social media has given everybody

(21:50):
access to everybody.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
And so at a.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
Time when we were coming up with Doctor J, I
couldn't get in contact with Doctor J unless I randomly
bumped into them somewhere in Philadelphia or somewhere out and about. Well,
now I have had direct access to any of my
favorite athletes by just finding their Twitter tag and tagging
them and sending them messages and jumping in their dms

(22:14):
and those things, And so.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Accessibility allows people to be bold.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
And because a lot of times I don't have to
encounter these guys face to face, I have more courage
and more bravery to say asinine stuff to them. Well, ultimately, like, look,
the people who are miserable in their lives, who enjoy
reveling in people's misery, that's their own thing that they
have to deal with. Right, I've never been one. Hopefully

(22:40):
you're not one of those people that enjoys living in
others disappointment, because man, what a terrible way to live,
and to just take pleasure in watching other people have
disappointments and shortcomings in those things. But should Door Sanders
and those guys someone say they brought it on themselves
because they're flamboyance or whatever. And anytime you have success,

(23:04):
in any time, like you have fame and fortune and
those things like, you're always gonna have haters. Ultimately, it's
on him and how he handles that. But yeah, the
ugly side of people certainly came out throughout this process,
but it comes out every day.

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(24:33):
from the Fox Sports Radio studios. All right, Bucky Brooks,
I got a couple of questions for you, Because you're
the man, You're the answer man. We're gonna have asked
Bucky in about eight to nine minutes from now. But
I want to know how surprised you were that the
Pittsburgh Steelers bypassed? Should do are saying this in the draft?
I mean because basically I thought, you know, they're gonna
go for a quarterback that got a couple of feelings.

(24:54):
It looks like Aaron Rodgers is going to be the
guy now going to the Steelers.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
Well, they talked about Aaron Rodgers being the guy, and
the owner had come out either shortly before the first
round or after day one and said they feel really
good about Aaron Rodgers getting closed to coming and so
they didn't want to waste anybody's time by taking them early.
Knowing they wouldn't be there'd be a log jam at
the quarterback position.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
So you do think that Aaron Rodgers is gonna be
playing for the Pittsburgh Steelers this year?

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yeah, I mean I think they're all in. I think
they're all in on Aaron Rodgers. They want to make
sure that. Look, he's gonna be the quarterback and so
they're gonna rock with him.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Good luck Mike, Tom and good luck for you. Now.
I said, there are a couple of teams looking for
the future right now, and I think one of them
with the Cleveland Browns, they were I think very wise
to trade their number two pick to the future. They
got a first round that from Jacksonville, you know about
that at number thirty six. This year they get edge
rusher Mason Graham from the University of Michigan, defensive lineman.
A little bit about this guy. He's a solid player,

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but not a great player, but he's kind of a
disruptive guy. But he's going to help them on the
defensive side of the ball. There's no doubt about that.
Building up their defense pretty good there, Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, I mean, look, I think he's a really good player.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
What he doesn't have is he doesn't have the pozazz
that makes people go crazy when it comes to blue
chip players. But when you watched him, he was clearly
the best defensive tackle. He's active, he's dominant, He consistently
destroyed opponents at the point of attack. And the Cleveland
Browns have an opportunity to take him. Put him alongside
Miles Garrett. They have one interior guy that's disruptive, another
guy that's out that's on the outside, and Garrett that

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is disruptive. And that's the way the defenses are traditionally constructed.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
All right, So we go over there, now, Jacksonville, that's
your team that picked up maybe maybe the best athlete
in the draft, Travis Hunter. How surprised were you because
you're with that club maybe probably new in the in
a circle that they're going to get him. But wide receiver,
defensive back? Where does he play? Where does this guy play?

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Or both?

Speaker 3 (26:48):
He does both. He does both.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
He comes in as a wide receiver and contributes as
a part time defensive back, and then when he's ready,
he may go full time both ways. The big thing
about Travis Hunt is not only the dynamic playmaking ability,
as he brings as an offensive and a defensive player,
but more importantly, it's the spirit and energy that he
brings to the team. This team wants to change his

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culture by bringing people. You hear them talking about intangibly
rit rich guys that love ball, and everyone says that, oh,
we're looking for guys that love ball, but like truly
guys that love ball. Ball is super important. They would
do anything and everything that play well. I think these
guys and Saw and Travis Hunter a guy that is
all ball all the time. He's gonna help them, not

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only on the field, He's gonna have them off the field.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
In terms of changing the coach in the locker.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Room right now? Is he a guy that's gonna come
in here and immediately take charge and get the job done?
Can he do that? Because this Jacksonville team right now,
as you know, down in the dumb so to speak.
And that's saying very nicely. I mean, can he help
turn this team around? I mean, look, comes from a
winning attitude, no doubt about that. But can he bring

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that to this locker room and maybe this team turned
things around a little bit?

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yes he can.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Look, they need somebody with some juice and some star power,
but they also needed good players who embraced the work.
I would say maybe for so long Jacksonville, Hey, good players,
but maybe they didn't embrace the work. The work where
you have guys that want to do the work, want
to get better, as opposed to oh man, we have to.

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He's one of those guys that wants to like whenever,
like there's hours and minutes left in the day, He's
gonna try and make himself better in anything, and so
I can appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
All right, let's move along a couple of things I
wanted to mention with you on the first round. Let's
talk about the New York Football Giants. I mean their
general manager. I gotta believe Joe Shane. He's on the
hot seat. There's no doubt about that. What happened last year.
You know, Sakwon Barkley letting go. The ownership wanted mister
Marraw wanted them to keep him, but it didn't happen.
So he goes after quarterbacks. Right now, I guess Russell Wilson,
he's Jamis Winston and now I mean he he's panicking

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because he gets Jackson Darr the quarterback as well from
Old Miss but he also got a good one in
Abdul Carter. Our shock that the Giants got Carter, but
to get a third quarterback? What does that do? What
does that mean? I mean, right now, the entire preseason
is going to be you know, who's going to be
leading in the quarterback derby. You got to get these
guys enough snaps to say who's going to be head

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and shoulders above the other one? So in your mind,
who's the leading candidate. I gotta believe it's gonna be
Russell Wilson's gonna be the starting quarterback for the Giants
over Jamis Winston and obviously over the rookie Jackson Dark.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Well, no, that's what they said.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
They said that he would be the starting quarterback heading
into the spring and into the summer. Russell Wilson is
that Jackson Dark can write his own story. Depending on
how quickly Jackson Dark adapts to the program, adapts to
and acclimates to the NFL game, that will determine when
he's ready to take the ball. Maybe it's this year,

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maybe it's in the middle of the season, maybe it's
next season. Jackson Dark determines that, you know, like in
spite of being on the hot seat Brian dave Ball
and Joe Shane. They still have to do right by
the quarterback. They can't rush them too soon. They have
to operate with the short term and long term interest
of the football team in hand in mind. And you know,

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a lot of it is, hey, we're don't give everybody
the opportunity to compete, and when he's ready, we'll know.
It'll be clear and apparent when the young quarterback is ready.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
One guy, and speaking of quarterbacks, one guy who's a
quarterback who's basically jumping for joy right now is Jordan Loved,
the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers. And I had
no idea until I heard about this after the pick.
For the first time in more than a decade, the
Packer is at a first round wide receiver as a pick,
and obviously they need a playmaker on offense, and they
got him. I believe in Matthew Golden, the kid from Texas,

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so they drafted him in the first round. Did you
know that they had never drafted a receiver on the
first round. I had no idea.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
I did, haven't played there year. It was never really
a big part of it.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
They haven't drafted a wide receiver in the first round
since two thousand and two Javon War and they've had
a lot of success without doing it, and some of
the success came from their organizational philosophy of development when
it came to wide receivers. They would take him into
second and third round. There was a kind of a
write of passage in terms of how they got onto

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the field. They would come in as pump returners, maybe
played the wide receiver three or four. The next year
they would move up a role. The following year they
would move into the starting lineup. That's how it always
has operated in Green Bay. It's worked successfully. They felt
like Matthew Golden was special enough that they wanted to
take him in the first round. And for a team

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that Josh Jacobs there leading rusher, said hey man, we
need a number one receiver. He certainly felt the impact
of not having that special guyn in a perimeter because
it was more crowded in the box. Well, now they
get a guy who is not necessarily a true number one,
but he's a bit of a hybrid number one, number
two guy, a speed receiver who can run routes. You

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think about the other weapons they have Christian Watson. You
can read they have some guys that can can impact
the game, but they made it a very competitive environment
by bringing uh first round receiver into the mix.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Interesting, okay, uh. I read about the comments of Sean Payton,
the coach of the Denver Broncos, and he said, going
back to Shadua Sanders, he says, those teams that bypassed
you Doers are going to pay a price down the road.
Obviously he didn't draft him, but I'm thinking now the
fact that should do Or went so late one forty

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four round five, is that And it's a stupid question,
but is that extra incentive for him to come out
there and maybe change his way forget about the glitz
and go out there and say, look, I'm gonna bust
some tail and I'm going to show everybody else that
they were wrong. Because I was surprised that that Sean
Payton came out and said that.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
Well, he knows the kid, because Sean Payton has been around,
He's known Dian for a long time, he's known should
Door for a long time, watched him grow up in play,
so he knows who the kid is us and he
knows and is willing to go out and say, man,
I dig him, I like him. I am surprised, but
he had his quarterback, so he didn't need to go

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and get a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
And he might have been landed on.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
Thick because he has a relationship with Deanna, and a
lot of these guys have relationships with Deanna, so it
can put you in a precarious position when it comes
to comment on his kid. But ultimately, Shamar has to
take what the league has said and he has to
process that. We can all think certain things about ourselves
in our situation in life, but when the league tells us, hey, man,

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we see you as a fifth round pick, well, now
you have to own it and you have to use
it as motivation, and that motivation should inspire you to, hey,
let me make sure. Maybe I need to change some
of what I'm doing. I'm not saying change his personality,
but some of what he needs to do to make
sure that I'm locked in, and whether it's up in
my preparation when it comes to that, whether it's the

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way that I treat people in the building and the
way that I interact with the coaches and the support staff,
all of that, if I'm sure doer.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
I am taking all that in.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
I am soliciting feedback, and I may go in and
ask him, Hey, coach man, what led y'all to wait
until the fifth round to take me?

Speaker 7 (34:16):
Like?

Speaker 4 (34:16):
What was it in my game or in my personality
that you didn't dig where you would take me early?
How can I improve? What do you need from me?
I would be very honest about, like, hey, please give
me direct feedback and take that feedback, that constructive criticism,
and make the necessary changes to give myself a chance

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to not only make the team but eventually be a
starting quarterback. But the first thing that he has to
do before you can think about being a starter, you
got to do the things necessary to make the team.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
And so he has to take it.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Step by step and kind of work up that ladder
to be the player that he ultimately wants to be
at the end.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Sounds great. He's Bucky Brooks and Andy Firmerway on Fox
Sports Sunday on Fox Sports Radio. You know, we all
have questions, really, but there's only one man on God's
Green Earth that has only answers. His name is Bucky Brooks.
And ask Bucky. Hey's next, Ask Bucky? Right around the corner.
That's Bucky Brooks. I'm Andy fermerwee a Fox Sports Sunday
and Fox Sports Ready, and we're live from the Fox

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Sports Radio studios. And here we go, Bob, maybe eleven
minutes before the top of the hour. Let's get going
with asked, Bucky, are you ready?

Speaker 9 (35:23):
Here?

Speaker 3 (35:23):
We do?

Speaker 2 (35:24):
All right, Let's look in the future. Let's talk about
next year's NFL rookie of the year. Will it be
Ashton Genty, the running back now with the Raiders, or
the first pick of them all from Tennessee, the quarterback
out of Miami of Florida, cam Ward. Who's going to
be the rookie of the year. Well, maybe none, maybe
not either one of them.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
I would bank on the quarterback having a chance, and
that's cam Ward. The only reason because it's a quarterback award.
We love quarterbacks. We love giving awards to all quarterbacks
because we feel like the quarterback is the most important
player on the team.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Give me cam Ward?

Speaker 2 (35:57):
All right, we got that. Okay, Then, by the way,
how did you do when you were on a heat
to bring up the term mock draft?

Speaker 4 (36:05):
I know I got the first six fix Reich, and
then after that there are some missus. I don't know
how many I got total of the mock.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah, it's a guessing game. It doesn't mean anything. It
really doesn't. Let people go crazy on that stuff. Right,
let's move on, all right? The New York Mets. They're
the richest team in Major League Baseball. Sort of question
is why aren't they the best? If money good buy happiness?

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Because it's like sports are the biggest chemistry experiment your team. Literally,
the pieces of the puzzle have to fit together talent wise,
but then the chemistry and the continuity to believe has
to be on point. And right now, maybe it's not
on point, but the chemistry really really matters.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
All right. How important is it for the Los Angeles Lakers,
and in particular Lebron James to win the NBA title
this season?

Speaker 4 (36:54):
I don't think they to win the title this season,
but it would be a big feather in his cap.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Look, Lebron James legacy is submitted.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
I know we have these arguments about easy to go
against Michael Jordan and those things, but look, here go
as an all time great. The big thing for the
Lakers is are they going to be able to do
it as underdogs? They just don't have enough height to
contend with some of the other teams in the Western Conference.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
All right, and speaking of the NBA Playoffs, your biggest
surprise thus far in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
Biggest surprise the level of physicality that we're seeing in
these games. These games have gone back to nineties NBA
basketball where everything is contested.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
It's very feisty. We have fights almost breaking out.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
I love it. I love it. I love the way
that it is. I love how contentious it is. To me,
the playoffs should be this, So I dig it.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Especially that Nick's Pistons series, it's almost ugly. Really is
like a prize fight.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
Orlando Boston, yea, Orlando Boston's been like that. After the game,
we saw Houston and Olden State have some words.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Yeah, I dig it.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
There we go the Jacksonville Jaguars. You know about that team,
They said is the court they used? They said they're
gonna go fluid, fluid on Travis Hunter. What does that mean? Fluid?
I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
You don't have a really big plan for how you're
going to use them.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
You want to bring him in, you want to see
what he feels like, what he looks like, how comfortable
he is on each side of the ball, and then
you formulate a game plan that works.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
But it's not just coaches making that is.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
The strengthen and distance staff using the charting, the stuff
to distance, the GPS and those things. And then nutrition
make sure he's fed right to be able to fuel
his body to play. So there are a lot of
factors involved. So that's why it has to remain fluid.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Okay, it wasn't really a quarterback heavy draft this year
in the National Football League, but one of the things
that kind of stuck out, at least in my mind,
on the Atlanta Falcons and the Arizona Cardinals went heavy
on defense, defensive line, with the Cardinals the number one
pick the Walton Nolan from Old Miss, and the Falcons
the first two picks were edge guys Jelen Walker from

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What Georgia and the kid from Tennessee James Pierce Junior.
First two picks in Atlanta. So got edge guys. So
defense really, and that's strange I think in a draft
for the first two picks on one team the first
pick from another.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think you do
what you need to do to feel a need.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
And so you talk about Atlanta opting to go the
way that they did with a linebacker and d n
they needed those spots.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
I mean, I think the main.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Thing is to take good places, you take players, your
team has an opportunity to improve.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
All right, that's about it for ask Bucky, you have
any questions for me? Probably not. I mean I wouldn't
have the answer.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Anyway. We were talking about your Bengals on the other side.
I'm curious what they saw.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
I had no idea what they did in That's right,
that's your team. I know, I know we'll get into that. Yes,
we'll do that. We certainly will. He's Bucky Brooks, I
mean de Ferman and by the way, who got what
they needed? Bucky Brooks had that and more. When next
on Fox Sports Sunday right here, all right, making some
sense in all of it, that's coming right up. Good morning.

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This is Fox Sports Sunday on Fox Sports Radio. Were
live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. He's Bucky Brooks,
had anything firm and I to tell you what, I'll
be honest with you. I'm glad it's over. I mean
what happened, I mean, it was like an eight hour
marathon yesterday. I mean for guys you never heard of.
Let me ask you this, because I cannot believe that
every personnel guy in every team knew every player that

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was drafted yesterday from round five, six and seven. I
can't believe there were names that I'm sure they never
heard of.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
Really, no, that's not I mean, you know, if everybody
doesn't mean that those guys are on your board. I
think I can't remember how many total people were taking
in the draft of let's.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Say two fifty seven. I think something long.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
Okay, so two fifty seven almost boards, And if you're
doing it the right way, you should have about anywhere
from one hundred tow one hundred and fifty players on
your board. And those one hundred and I even think
one fifty is a lot of those players. They should
be just the players that you want to draft. So
if I don't like the kid from Cincinnati, I don't

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like the kid from Notre Dame, I don't want them
on the board because it only it is clutter, you know,
And so you're trying to declutter the board so you
can lock in and focus on the players that are
the perfect fits for your team.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
So yeah, you may know about.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Those players, but those players drafted and some of those
rounds just aren't deemed to be good fits for you,
and so you move on.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Okay, So to have a board, So the board it
looks like this, positions and under the position name, Like
on the quarterback, they'll have five or six quarterbacks. On
the linebackers of eight, nine, ten linebackers, and as those
sky linebackers are picked, they cross them off and they
move them up on their list and each individual team's
boards how it works.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
So to give you a visual, So there are two
boards that you want to look at. So there's a
board we'll just use a simple round number. On the left,
we'll put a vertical board where we rank the players
from one to one hundred regardless of position. This is
how I like them, regardless of Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter,
asking Gent whoever, Tyler Warren, whatever, from one to one hundred.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
We have them ranked there.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
Then when you go to the right, we have another
board which is called the horizontal board that is by position.
So we start with quarterback, running back, wide receiver, tight end,
offensive tackle, guards, center, then we go to defensive end
or whatever. All the way through all the positions, and
as you're looking up under all of those individual positions,

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you have like little blocks. You have first round, second round,
third round, fourth round, fifth round, sixth round, seventh round,
and within every block you have the players in that position.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
They grade out as first round picks.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
So it may be two or three in the first round,
five to eight in the second round, three or four
in the third round, based on what the grades are.
And what you're doing is as you're looking at the
positions and you're looking at the vertical as they come off,
you remove players in both of those things, and what happens.
The reason you have the board is it gives you

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a visual picture of Okay, we have this offensive tackle
ranked higher than this cornerback.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Man.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
We don't have a need for it, but this guy's
a much better player than this player right here. We
should take that player because he's a better player.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Even though it's not a need.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
It makes our team better because he's good. And so
that's how it works. And so it's this not juggling act,
but this checks and balances that you have to make
sure that you're not reaching for players to fill a
position of need when you know that their talent doesn't
match up to where we're about to take them.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
The talent has to match the value. Okay.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
So there's several questions here that I have because you
on the inside, you work for a team, You played
the game, okay, number one, you talk about rating the players.
That's where I think the internal arguments begin, because I'm
thinking of the Dallas Cowboys and all of a sudden,
you're writing player A and you're giving him a tremendous grade.
And then all of a sudden, Jerry Jones comes in there,

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who's never maybe scouted one game at all this year
on the college level, and he says, I don't want
this guy, although although the scouts and personnel guys have
gone out to the college games on weekends to see
these guys play, and Jerry Jones says, no, I don't
like him. I want this guy that's number one, number.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Two, that should never happen. Okay.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
So when we're in this process and we decide like, hey,
here's our philosophy, this is what we do. We trust
the process. We're used the philadelph seventy six Z thing.
Trust the process, stick to the plan. Once you make
the plan, you stick to the plan. The plan is
in concrete, this is what we believe in. We're not
deviating from the plan. So when we start about the

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process of creating a grading skill, how we grade players,
having a ranking system, how we rank players, creating the boards,
and how guys sit on the boards. We don't make
decisions by the seat of our pants.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
We look at the board and we just follow the process.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
And if we follow the process, the process would never
lead us wrong. When we start doing those things that
you talk about, that's when we mess up.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Okay, The next problem that I have with another situation,
not a problem, is that there's three opportunities here. During
the draft. You could draft the best player, you could
draft for a need.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
You could draft as.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Far as developments concerned. You know he's not going to
play immediately, but you hope he'll develop it to a
great player. Those are the three things. And I say
that right now because you mentioned my Cincinnati Bengals on
going to mention the number seventeen pickover all in round one,
they drafted Shamar Stewart, a defensive infantexis A and M
and this guy didn't have much production on the college level.
Three years of Texas A and M one and a

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half sacks in each of the three years. So and
obviously Al Golden has a lot of cloud right now
is the new defensive coordinator because he drafted him right now,
but he has a lot of confidence in this guy,
lots riding on him. Was that a good pick a
bad pick?

Speaker 1 (46:11):
With you?

Speaker 2 (46:12):
You know what's going on because I'm gonna get to
your picks momentarily because you had a list.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
You did your picks, all right, So let's go back first.
You what you talked about.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
You talked about talent need and what was the other thing?
Because you said you develop development? Okay, So I understand
that that when you're grading the grading. Okay, So when
I say someone's a first round pick, right, I say, hey,
I'm gonna give this guy a first rounder. What I'm

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saying by giving that grade, I'm saying this guy is
a day one starter. He comes in, he starts for us.
That's why we're taking him in the first round. When
I'm saying someone is a developmental pick, I have him
graded as a fifth round pick because that lets us
know it is going to take him more time before
he can be that player. So the lower the grade

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the more time is needed for this guy to maximize
his potential, or it signals the amount of limitations he
has and he has a limited ceiling.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
So that's where the grades match up.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
So if you're grading players right during your evaluations, you
don't have to make those decisions based on oh, he's
a developmental player. This he's that when we get to
the rounds.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Day three. Day three is the developmental player around.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
We know that all of these players have some deficiencies
in those things, but they have redeeming qualities that we're
hoping we can tap into that will allow them to
develop into being productive players. That's what Day three is about.
Day two, second and third round. These are guys that
are starters. They may not be starters in day one,
but we're hopeful that they will start by the end

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of their first year, by the end of their second
year at the latest.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Round one.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
They need to be impact players, ready to start early
and top ten of round one. Oh, they need to
be blue chip players that we're talking about being top
two or three in their position quickly in their career.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Okay, so go back to the Cinnati Bangs Round one.
It was not a top ten players number seventeen, Shamar Stewart,
and my thought process was, and maybe on way off
base is the reason they drafted him twofold. Number one,
they needed a defensive end, they needed someone on that
side of the football. Number two, they probably drafted him
because they don't know what's going to happen to Trey Hendrickson.

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They may be getting rid of him and they're be
trading him. So that's why they got this guy, Smar Stewart,
who basically does not have a lot of production under
his belt coming in here. Boom. That's my thought process.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
Okay, so your thought is this, So let's okay, let's
take it as this.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
First, let's talk about the player, Shamar Stewart.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Shamar Stewart one of the best athletes that we saw
at the COMBIN and that athleticism shows up on tape, big, fast, physical,
has a lot of tools and that you would like
to think that you can develop into being an elite player.
The production, Yes, he had four and a half sacks

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during his time in college. However, he had a lot
of pressures meaning he got close but no cigar. He's
right in the face of the quarterback, but didn't get
him down. So now as the evaluator, you work with
the coaching step say, hey, man, he has all these tools,
he's really closely doesn't get it done.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Coaches, do we think we can get him to that next.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Level by showing him how to finish plays, showing him
a couple of techniques that will unlock something that he
hasn't shown to this point. So the talent and tools
are there. Now you're like, there's a little upside or whatever.
What you're referring to with the Cincinnati being was Trey
Hendrickson is there, but Sam Hubbard retired in the offseason.

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When you're looking at your ross and you're saying, man,
we have a hole because they feel like they can
get Trey Henderson.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
And Trey Henderson is gonna come. He's not going anywhere, right,
He's on the contract. Yeah, Yeah, he's in the contract,
so he's gonna be there.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
So like he can huff and puff and all that,
like he's there, but we need somebody for Sam Hubbard.
So there's a natural position we're looking at the board.
This guy lines up because of his talent and tools. Yes,
we can slot him right into Sam Hubbard's spot. And
even though he's not quite ready to be the number

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one pass rusher.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
We still got Trey Henderson.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
Maybe in a year or two, Stewart can either take
over Trey Henderson's roll or they can compliment each other.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
We have two good pass rushers.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Look, I don't know what kind of a pass rusher
he's going to be. I hope he's a great player.
But I will say this much. I saw when he
got picked. He had tears in his eyes. He looks
like a tremendous individual, a good guy, one of the
real good guys who were real thankful that he's there.
And he's like, he's blessed that he's going to be
in the National Football League. And he was so excited
he was crying when he got picked. And I love that.
I mean, he thanked the Lord above that he got

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picked and he's going to play in the National Football League,
which guess was a dream of his. So I'm happy
for him, and I hope it works out. That's all
I'm saying. But I was a little shocked that this
guy did not have a lot of production on the
res belt and that's why they took him. But you know,
he fills in need, and I hope he feels the
need well, because I think he's probably a real good guy.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Oh yeah, man.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
Now, now here's the thing that gets lost in all
of the conversation about the draft, and it's an unfortant
fortunate part of the draft. Draft weekend is the realization
of a lot of dreams. There are a lot of
people who had dreams of playing in the National Football League.
And whether you're the first pick or the tunesand and
fifty seventh pick, man, when you hear your name called,
when your name comes across the screen, it is a

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blessing to be a part of the fraternity that is
the National Football League. And some of that gets lost
by what we've talked about the cottage industry, guys like
myself evaluating picks, providing analysts saying this is a good
pick or bad pick, putting a grade on it.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Oh, you get an A, you get an F, this
is whatever.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
But we always need to remember for a bunch of
young people and their families, man, this is a highlight
of their life to this point, and we should always
celebrate that no matter what, and we can't let that
get lost and entertaining the public with our bombastic opinions
on how things fit and all of this, we still

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need to remain sensitive of what this is for so
many people, which is a dream come true.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
No doubt about how was it when you got drafted?
What was that like?

Speaker 4 (52:26):
I would say that it was a dream come true,
but it was very stressful, and I wish that I
could tell people like I was a forty eighth overall
pick in the nineteen ninety four draft. When I look back,
that's a tremendous accomplishment to go that high. But I
can tell you the weekend of it was a lot
of stress because to hear forty seven names before you, man,

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it just seems like you're on a roller coaster ride
because you're looking around and you're speculating that, Okay, this
could be the pick. Oh no, no, this could be the pick,
and this when I could go when oh am I
going in the first round. I saw in the mock
drafts that maybe I'm gonna be a first round pick,
and so you get your hopes up and then someone
else goes and you're deeply disappointed. I was the eleventh

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wide receiver taken in my draft class, and I can
tell you those guys that went ahead of me, and
I can tell you the teams that I thought I
was going to go to. And the disappointment sometimes can
overshadow the excitement when you finally get picked, and it's
not like what should do or experience. But everybody talked

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about you during this and that. But when he finally
got the call, did you see the relief on his face?
Did you see the smile on his face because of
the dream coming true? That's what happens no matter when
you're picked. The disappointment is disappointment. But man, there's nothing
like knowing I'm going to have an opportunity to play

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the game. I love a dream come true, and so
it's similar to that. So, yeah, it was stressful. It's
nerve wracking. It's a combination of disappointment of the things
that didn't happen, but a celebration of the things that
did happen.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Is your gateway into the.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
League, no doubt about that. But you said you were
the eleventh wide receiver pick. You got to believe in
your heart of hearts during that time. At the day
of the draft, you're saying to people, maybe your agent,
whatever it may be, family friends, I'm better than those guys,
I'm better than that guy, why they.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Pick him over me?

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Right, Yeah, there's a lot of that, and you know it, man,
the league can warp your sensibilities because I believe most
people should really focus on themselves in life. Right Like
in yoga, we always talk about staling your own Matt,
worry about yourself. Don't compare yourself to others because you
don't know others' plights or their past. But if you

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focus on you and being the best version of yourself,
you're going to be successful. But what the draft does,
and what the league can do is you're constantly comparing
yourself to others, and in that comparison, sometimes you will.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Knock down another.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
Player to make yourself feel better, like not maybe verbally,
but in your mind, I'm better than him, like I'm
And so you have these things, and you know, like
we see these fake interviews where you may have, like
like John Gruden an interview a quarterback and a quarterback
and sell himself and you'll say, oh, the best quarterback
in the draft, Da da da da da, all this

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other stuff. So it can make you get out of character. Now,
the thing about it is what some people like in
a person other people hate. So if I tell you Andy, Andy,
I'm the best analyst you could ever have on your
radio show, what you may be like, Weck, that's great.
I love that you have that confidence. Somebody else may
be like, man, that's kind of arrogant for you to

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say that you're the best.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Like there are all these other guys that do it.
So beauty's in the eye the beholder.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
That's why this process, in analyzing it and talking about it,
you just don't know because they're thirty two different teams
with thirty two different decision makers and opinions on how
our prospect should act, perform and all that, which is
why it can be a very stressful time for the
prospects because some guys are trying to act and be
what they want, what they think others want, as opposed

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to just being themselves.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
You know why you're saying that, I thought process came
in my mind. I just got to ask you, is
it possible. I'm sure it has been in the past
that an agent can have several clients that play the
same position, so he had played one against the other.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
I mean, yeah, like everybody like, I mean, you go
and get the best players that you can get. And
in fact, there's some guys that prefer to deal with
one position. The late great Gary Wishard, who didn't represent me,
but I worked with I would I would train some
of his guys later in terms of interviews and those things.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
He was a guy who only like to h.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
Represent past rushers because pass rushers got paid.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
And he knew that, and he.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
Would have like a guy like Kaleis Campbell and maybe
Jason Taylor and the Terrell Suggs and all that, and
he had all of them, but he knew what it
took to get those guys ready to get paid.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
And yeah, you can not necessarily leverage one against the other,
and you have to kind of know where they are.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
But look, man, I think a good agent, a good leader,
just gives direct feedback.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
And he could say, hey.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
Andy, look man, you're the number one radio personality. Bucket
right now ranks his number three, and Bucky may have
his feelings hurt by being the third best one, but hey,
this is what the league is telling me.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
And so based on what.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
You're at, Andy, you're going to be in this range
when it comes to the money.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Bucky your third.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
Here's what you're looking at that's what they do, and
that's how you leverage it, and that's how you play it.
And being in Cincinnati, you may notice Jamar Chase and
T Higgins eventually got the same representation and so what
that might have done. It might have helped T Higgins
get his deal done because as he's talking the agent

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is talking to Chase, he also knows, hey, they're gonna
pay Chase this.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Well, then you got to pay T Higgins that.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
And that is an effective strategy that worked for some,
so it can work for you.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
I don't think it ever works against you, you know.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
And I think the T Higgins Jamar Chase situation was
like obviously Jamar was publicly saying I want Tea on
this team. So they hooked up and they kind of
discussed that. And now I go back, history does repeat
itself because I remember as a kid, Don Drysdale and
Sandy Colfax had the same agent. They both basically sat out.
They both left the dodge and they got what they wanted.

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You know, back in the day it wasn't millions, but
they got what they wanted and they both left. You know,
I think power does come in numbers, and you know,
basically they had they forced the Bengals end. They had
to I mean and they and they signed them. I
want to go back to the Bengals second pick if
I can with you, because again they went on the
defensive start of the Well, they need defensive help. I mean,
it's an offensive ball club that has defensive holes. That's

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what it is. Number forty nine, Round two, Demetrius. This
guy was a junior. Well he's a linebacker and he
went to South Carolina. But the problem is, yeah, six
year college player. When he played Georgia Tech and the
South Carolina played Charlotte, It played all over the place.
So what's the deal with this guy? And obviously they

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need him, but give me a little bit of a background.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
This guy old school player. Man, he's an old school thumper.
He is a guy that could have played in the eighties.
The way that he performs physical loves contact, always around
the mix.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
I mean, he can kind of get after it.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
And you know it's funny, like you're sitting here talking about, oh,
he's a six year player, what does that mean?

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Chyler Shep was a seven year player.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
I mean, so like experience.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Matters and played a ton of games bounced around and
all that, but like just a really good player. And
I think at the end of the day, we all
want good players. We all want guys that can be
productive and can come in and find a way to
make an impact right away.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
He's a guy to it. I think can be.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Very impactful in his play and the way that he
comes in and performs.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Yeah, I'm gonna ask you this. I mean, are we
going to see anything as far as Cincinnati Bengal fans
are concerned. I don't want to stick too much time
on Cincinnati because there's a lot more to talk about.
But Al Golden is coming in. Will he change a
lot of things on the defensive side of the ball
as our other defensive coach? And since I did, who's
not with the Colts?

Speaker 9 (01:00:22):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Yeah, I mean I think he'll change some things. He'll
come in and change things, He'll get done playing his way.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
I'm a believer that his experience as a college coach
is going to help him with the younger players as
this team. Because this team has to make a decision
right So when they decided to pay T Higgins and
Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow, the money's on offense, so
the way that you build a team when the money's
on offense, that means, hey, I can be the pass rusher.
I can pay Trey Henderson and maybe another pass rusher.

(01:00:50):
But then the rest of my players, they're going to
need to be draft and develop guys that we get
on the cheap, young cheap talent. Well, to get young
cheap talent play well, you got to put them in
a defense or a system that allows him to quickly
adjust to the pro game and to play fast. Al
Goldin's experience that Notre Dame should help him figure out
a way to get the young guys up to speed,

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build a defensive play that allows those young guys to
play and be impactful right away.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
And he knows the Bengals organization because he had worked
with them prior to Notre Dame. So he came back,
so he knows something. And I think this switch from
college to the pros can be a big jump. But
the fact that he's been to the pros and went
to college now back again, I think it's going to
really help.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
It really is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
But louis anamoo. I mean, I just I thought Lou
did a good job as a defensive coordinator. I mean,
he didn't have the horses. That's the problem. We'll see
what he does in Indianapolis, because I hope he does well.
I really do. He got gobbled up pretty quickly when
he got let go by Cincinnati. Didn't take long for
him to get a job.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
Not at all, because he was a good player, and
some felt like he was escapegoated a bit, yeah by
that stuff. But hey, look, man, guys get hired to
get fired and you don't see some of that stuff
is you know, I would say it's unfortunate, but look,
it happens.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
That's what we'll do. Okay, we're gonna move on. I
didn't even get to what you've done. You've do so
much work on this. I'm gonna do that on the
other side. But we'll get to that. He's Bucky Brooks.
Get him on Twitter, get him on ex or if
you want to call it at Bucket Brooks at Athy
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rolling along right now, We've got yea or nay in
about ten minutes from now. But let's talk about those
cowboys as Dallas cal But how about those Cowboys twelve pick,

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and they said they wanted the best player on the board.
So what do they do? They picked the guard Tyler
Booker from Alabama. Here's the deal. Though they looked at
the quarterback that Prescott tearing his hamstring. I guess in
Week nine against the Atlanta Falcons said that ain't gonna
happen again. We're gonna bolster up that offensive line. I
think they did basically what the Philadelphias have done. They
built them built up through the trenches and big guys

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in the trenches. So they get the guy from Alabama,
all American guard, Tyler Booker, good, better and different. I
don't know, but I think the problem is that maybe
I'm way off face here, but the big question right
now is not Booker. The question is they need receivers.
They need help a receiver, they need help a running back.
I don't know why they didn't do that. They need
speed it receiver and they didn't do that. They went

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for the offensive line. What was your thought process on
that draft pick?

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
Well, my thought process is you got to build your
team to win your division. And the only way the
Cowboys are gonna win the division is you got to
deal with the trench play of the Philadelphia Eagles. When
you look at the Philadelphia Eagles, they are dominating people
at the point of attack on the offense and defense
on the front lines. The Cowboys needed to be able
to counter and the gate a Jaylen card or disruption

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at the point of attack. They need to be able
to run the ball and control the clock and do
the things they need to do to protect Dak Prescott
because when they've been a top running team, Dak Prescott
has always played at his best and to me, they
are at their best when their offensive line. Their offensive
line is one of the best in the business. And

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with Tyler Booker coming on board, it gives them an
opportunity to have a young offensive line.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
That grows together, but grows together as one of the
dominant units in the football.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
How do you like that?

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Okay, so you do agree that the Cowboys do need
some speed on the offensive side of the world receiver
and they need a running back though they do.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
But if we're building a house man the wide receiver,
that's like the shutters. I mean, it's not the most
important part. I mean, it's like the paint and stuff
like that, Like This's at the end of it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
The foundation is the offensive.

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
And defensive lines, and so they need to make sure
that the house sits on steady ground and stable ground.
And so the offensive line that helped them. They can
always find the receiver, man. They have a million receivers
on the planet. They'll find one that can fuel the
role opposite CD lamp.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
You know, it's funny because as much as things change,
they stay the same. What do I mean by that?
You mentioned what the Eagles have done. They built up
the interior line. The Cowboys are trying to copy that
as a copycat league. But way back in nineteen sixty eight,
the late Paul Brown, he always said it's what's up
front that counts. He said that in his book which
I read. And the first ever pick in nineteen sixty

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eight when the Bengals were formed was an offensive center,
Bob Johnson. The first pick ever on that ball club,
lineman Bob Johnson.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
It's the most important part. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
If you have an offensive line, you can figure out
a way to deal with the other stuff. But if
you don't have an offensive line that can dominate it
like it's hard. And they have an offensive line that
is really dominant. They can really mash. They got young guys.
And when you hear Booker talk about man, my goal
is to make you question your love for the game
at the end by leaning on you and beating you

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up over sixty minutes, right man, those that's a tone setter.
That that changes the tenor of the locker room where
you have people like that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Yeah, and I ask you this. When a guy comes
in there saying things like that, veterans do when they
looking at that, they just like wink and they just say,
oh my goodness. Here comes to another one. He'll he'll
soon find out what it's like here. Is it like
that or can he really change things? Well, you just
need to go in your corner, shake your mouth and
do your job.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
I mean there's something too.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
Hey man, let's just go about our business, spion being quiet,
Let's be workmen, like, let's get in. Let's earn earn,
earn our way, particularly when you're young as a rookie, like, hey,
I need to uh more work.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Let's talk.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
So let's see if you can come in here and
do that stuff and then show us what you're about
as opposed to telling us.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
And I would think there are some youngsters and some
rookies that come in when you were a veteran, now
later in your career, they come in, there's someone intimidated
and starstrunk when they see these guys. These are the
same guys they grew up maybe seeing on TV, watching
these guys play, and now they're having a locker shared
with these guys.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
I mean, there's always that. I mean when I walked
into the locker room in Buffalo and you have Jim
Kelly on one side, but then my locker mates were
Andre Reid and Thurman Thomas. So I sat in between
two Hall of famers. You know, you're thinking about Bruce
Smith being in the far corner of that locker room.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
These are guys that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
You know, we're playing video games with just a weekend
before coming to join them in Mini Caamp, Like, these
are my guys, and so here you go.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
You go from.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
You know, these guys being your idols and icons to
being your peers.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
It can be a weird dynamic to see. When I
went to.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
Kansas City, I loved Marcus Allam When I was a kid.
I can't tell you how many times that I would
try and take a ball and reverse and come all
the way backfield like he did against the Washington football
team and that Super Bowl, and then to see him
every day and to play with him.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Yeah, it's also real.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
And so there are a lot of young players that
kind of go through that moment and then in time
it fades. But yeah, initially that Ricky Minichamp with that
first mini camp with the veterans in Yeah, the guys
Starstruck and Big Id and all that other stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
All Right, I'm gonna do a little bit of a
preview of YA and A which we have coming up
in a couple of minutes. But you did a lot
of work and I didn't want it to go unnoticed
when you did on NFL dot com. It's kind of
like doing a turn paper, I mean, and it wasn't
done overnight because this is a compilation of that you've
done throughout the entire season. You put it all together.
What basically did you try to prove when you did this?

(01:09:23):
I mean, you took the draft picks at least in
round one, and you wrote about each one, not the
fact that you picked them, that you said they were
going to be picked, a disposition. You kind of analyze
them good, bitter and different for that team making that pick.
Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
So what they did is after first round they took
all of my analysis.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
So I was on NFL dot Com.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
I was on our live Draft Tracker show, and what
the EDITORI your team did is they took my comments
at the end of every selection and they made it
into like a written form.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
So I'm assuming that's what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Yeah, right, And I'd like to go over some of them,
at least the first maybe tenant people do that. Obviously
we got number one. The first pick was Tennessee. The
Tennessee Titans pick cam Ward. And your comments about each
one of these picks, I'd love to hear from you,
because you're the man. You are the expert kim Ward.

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
Tennessee with cam Ward, Like, look, my thing with cam
Ward and why he was their pick. The tools, the talent,
the tenacity. They've been struggling at the position for a
long time, and he gives them something that they haven't
had since Steve McNair. In fact, when you squint and
close your eyes, you can see Steve McNair's game in

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cam Ward. Physical, rugged game, big time arm talent can
make all those plays when you're the Titans and you're
really about playing a rugged brand of ball, Well, you need.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
A quarterback that embraces that that cam Ward does.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
I would say this, I think the quarterback position, certainly
you have to have the skill set on the field,
but you have to carry yourself as a leader. And
I'm not knocking Sho Door Sanders, and I hope he
does well, and I hope he proves everybody wrong. I'd
love to see him make him make it big in
the National Football League. But cam Ward had that presence.
He was there with his parents, He was respectful. He

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just looked like a leader. He looked like the guy
that would come in respect in the huddle where Shadoor
came out there. I don't think I could lift the
thing he wore around his neck. I don't think it
must have been fifteen pounds of diamonds. Really, I don't
think I could have lifted. He's wearing it around his neck.
He had the legend sign behind him. I just don't

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think it came off good for him. That was the
problem that superseded his play on the field. I thought
that's what hurt him.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
So here's what I was saying, here's perception and reality. Right,
So you talk about Shadir Sanders and his chain, I
think if you go and you pull up an image
of what Jackson Dart had on either his press conference
in New York or whatever Jackson Dart had on diamonds,
he had a diamond chain on like it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
It's different, but it was.

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
Almost like the equivalent of a Diamonds tenns bracelet around
his neck, diamonds everywhere, all kinds of fancy designer.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
Stuff he wore.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
It's just that Shadure was outward and blatant with it.
But the perception is he's flamboyant and showy or whatever.
So he gets that from a perception standpoint, whereas Jackson
Dart it flies under the radar. But he also had
the same thing. I think my god, Will Campbell also
has some flash and stuff and a chain or whatever.

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So a lot of times we tag some of these
perceptions with the slight images without knowing that with others
we ignore it and don't give it the same kind
of attention.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
No, because his last name was Sanders, and I think
they saw and shouldure what they see in Papa, you know,
and who basically was. But the point is that Papa
could do it and did it because he proved himself
on the field should do I had not done it yet.
That's the difference.

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
Well, I mean I think I think the difference is like,
and people will say, like, whether he proved it or not,
I would say like, based on his college collegiate success,
he wore improved that he could play when you look
at the numbers that he rank up at Jackson State
and Colorado, he certainly approves. He shouted all the passing
records at Colorado on his way out like he had that.
He hasn't done it as a pro. But yeah, so

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there is some some of that residue from Prime is
on his kid and some of the perceptions and things
that we have on Dion we've assigned to.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
His kid, fair or not. That's that's kind of part
of it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
But he also has to be aware of that and
not that he has to change, but he just has
to have enough awareness to understand how people will perceive
him based on being coach Prime's son.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Right, And what I didn't like is the fact that
again the negativity people just so ugly, they really are,
and they were just the comments they were making, and
one of the comments that kind of stuck with me,
and I don't even know why I'm repeating it because
it was ugly. He said, hey, next time, don't be
retiring jerseys. So soon you know he did it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
Is it is so funny to me that so many
people are outraged by the retirement stuff, Like is it
is crazy to me that so many people who are
not attached to the university are outraged by the retirement.
I am someone who has had my jersey retired by

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my high school and yeah, it happened twenty plus years late.
But let's just say this Andy, Like, and I know
people like to wait or whatever until people die to
give them their flowers.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
I would prefer to have my flowers while I'm living.

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
I would prefer to be able to go and say, oh,
you know what, man, my jersey's retired, Like, hey, thank
you for a job well done.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
What is wrong with that?

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
I don't understand why there's so much outrage over the
jersey thing. But that also played into how people perceived him, like, oh,
you got his jersey retired already, Like, look, he's one
of the best players to ever play there, like it
or not.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
And people normally recognize the best players to ever be
a part of their program.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Did he leave the country completion percentage like seventy one
something like.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
That all time or career completion percentages the all time
is that are all time high? Like it's yeah, I
mean in the country. Like that's what I'm saying, like
that stuff. And so when he talks about it, like
whether you like it or not, that he says legendary,
Like you can't say that he's not based on his
success as a collegian. So that's the thing, is like, look,

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you don't have to like it, but you can at
least acknowledge, like, look, he had a very good career.
Like his jersey being retired is one thing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
There are a lot of jerseys that are retired. But
the outrage from the fact that he got his jersey
retired to me is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
You know, you bring up an unbelievable point because I
go down many cities and see streets named after people,
but they're usually named after them after they die. And
I think people need to if you, if you've accomplished
something and you're going to name the street after somebody,
do it, whether there are lives that they can see
it and appreciate it. And in Cincinnati they named Pete
Rose Way Pete Rose Way while he was still living,

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and there was a big outrage when he got busted
with the gambling situations. They take the sign down. No,
they didn't take it down, but I see signs all
the time on street corners after people died. Now I'm
I'm fighting with city hall in Cincinnati right now to
name a street called Oscar Robertson Way. The big O
is still living. I love Oscar and that they haven't

(01:16:37):
done it, and I want to see Oscar roberts There's
a there's a trophy, there's a statue at the University
of Cincinnati of him there. But they need to have
a street and the Cincinnati named Oscar Robertson Way. And
I'm finding a standstill here. They're not getting it done,
and they need to. But I promise you, and I
hate to say it, once he passes on name the street.

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Let him enjoy it while he's alive.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
They'll wait until he passes, and in his honor, we
want to name this right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
It's weird, it really is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
She's stupid. He's Bucky Brooks. I may de firm we
have Fox Sports Sunday a Fox Sports Radio thumbs up,
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Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
Yay r nay.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Let's get it done. Patrick is back.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
I'm bady ah Man. Let's go.

Speaker 6 (01:17:32):
Hey, it's you know, it's time for yeay or nay.
And you know what I'm with the ya's right now, yay.

Speaker 5 (01:17:37):
I'm back. Well, let's start us off hot with this one. Guys.

Speaker 6 (01:17:40):
So going on Shador Sanders shd Dore. Does he make
it in the NFL as a starting QB for the
Browns yay or nay?

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Andy Furman, of course yeah, because he's going against Joe Flacco,
who's taking social security right now. So he's going to
make it in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Yeah, you will make it. I just think he will
get the opportunities to write off his for him. He'll
make it, all right.

Speaker 6 (01:18:06):
Love love it there, guys, love it there. We're going
next here, We'll go fast. Lakers, Los Angeles Lakers. Do
they make it to the NBA Finals? Yay, ornay, Bucky Brooks.

Speaker 4 (01:18:16):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, they don't make it.
I don't even know if they make it outside of
the first round. The Timberwolves are the better team, more younger,
more athletic, and hunger.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Yeah, the Lakers don't make it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
I'm gonna be positive. I'm gonna say, yay, but not
this year. How's that. There's a tricky answer, right, don't
make it to the finals. But they won't make it
this year? But ya all right?

Speaker 5 (01:18:35):
Well, I dig it as a Laker fan. I dig it.

Speaker 6 (01:18:38):
After drafting Abdul Guard to the Giants draft QB Jackson Dart,
yay r nay.

Speaker 5 (01:18:43):
Andy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
You know what I'll say, yay. I mean they need
to stuck up on quarterbacks that got rustled with Wilson.
Obviously he's gonna be the quarterback right now, but it's
always good to have a quarterback because you don't win
in this league without a quarterback. I think it was
a good move.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Good move.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Yay, yeah, no, look, it'll be a good move.

Speaker 4 (01:18:59):
I think thing with Jackson Dart is just making sure
you put him in the offense. And the system that works.
They see him as a version of Josh Allen, so
it should work for.

Speaker 6 (01:19:06):
Them, all right, love that Mark.

Speaker 5 (01:19:13):
Here's one for you, guys.

Speaker 6 (01:19:14):
MVP pick of the Draft Raiders at number six, Ashton
Genty from Boise State. Raiders average eighty plus rushing yards
game last season.

Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
Now they get genty yay or nay? Bucky Brooks yay,
great pig man.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
Every time Pete Carroll has been able to do it,
he's done it with a big time back. This is
his version of Marshaun Lynch.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
It's a yay because why Pete Carroll wants to win now.
He's not building for the future. He was hired to
win now because of his age. Right, he's seventy plus
years old. He's gonna win now. And I'll tell you
what's a shame because that pick was such a great pick.
But the problem with Shader Sanders he's taking up well
the storylines, that's what he's done. But we've got so
much more coming up next right here on Fox Stay

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let's get into this right now, and I want to
continue with UPICKSNFL dot Com your comments on that. But
you know some drafts that really stood out in my mind.
You tell me if I'm way off base, like it,

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And I tell you what I like. The Arizona Cardinals
second around Michigan corner Will Johnson. When he's not hurt,
if he's not hurt, he's right there, blue chipper. I
think Arizona, Look, they're gonna get the top notch version
of this guy. He's not gonna be hurt, he's gonna play.
But I think he's gonna help them a lot. I know.
Also the linebacker Cordy Simon, Cody Simon in the fourth round.

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I think Arizona did well in the dress. So I
like to put a check mark next to the Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 4 (01:21:40):
Yeah, the Arizona Cardinals did have a solid overall draft.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
And one of the things that you like about him.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
Is, I mean you may notice when you look down
the list, they took a bunch of big ten guys
right outside of their first round pick and Walton Nolan,
they just doubled down on a bunch of big ten
guys being focal points and guys that can kind of
anchor the franchise.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
So when I look at.

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
Will Johnson being a part of it, then you talked
about Simon from Ohio State coming in and anchoring that
linebacker spot. What it suggests to me is they wanted
big school guys that came from big programs, winning programs,
because as they're changing the culture in the locker room,
it requires you to bring in guys you understand and
appreciate winning, but also understand what is necessary and what

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is needed to win, meaning the kind of work that
you have to put in to be a championship caliber team.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
And that brings up an interesting question because I always
like to pick your brand because you have all the answers.
If you have the board as you mentioned early on today,
and you have talent that is somewhat equal equal talent,
equal age, whatever, going to be hight weight, whatever it
may be. And one goes to a school like a
Boise State perhaps or a Memphis and the other one
goes to a Big ten school in Ohio State or

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a Michigan. Would you lead to the biggest school because
to the competition they play.

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
Yeah, I'm a big school fan. I want to see
the best played against the best. That's not saying that
you can't come from the smallest school and have success.
But if we're talking about all things equal talent and
those things, I'm gonna lean to is the big school
guy because i'mna have a feeling that I've seen him
play against better competition consistently. I'm more comfortable thinking that

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his game is going to translate to the pros more
so than the smallest school guys game.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
All right, another check mark for a draft. Gonna look
at the Carolina Panthers because everybody was saying that Bryce
Young is too small, he's too short, So what do
they do. They can't stretch him out. But tedor Road McMillan,
who's about six four to sixty five, is a target
right now. That's gonna help. I think that's a big deal.
I put the check next to that because I got
a big target for Bryce Young right now.

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
Yeah, t mac is really going to help Bryce Young.
What I love that Dave Canalis is doing. He's basically
trying to recreate the offense that he had in Tampa
for Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield and undersized quarterback, much like
Bryce Young succeeded when he had those big bodies on
the perimeter, Mike Evan and Chris Godwin, respectively. Well, now
you have t Mac on one side, you have Xavier

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look at on another, Adam Thielen, and the slot you've
gotten bigger and better, and they gives you a chance
to expand the strike zone for the quarterbacks so he
can throw.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
Okay, what about the Cleveland Browns. They didn't have to
leave the Buckeye State to get draft picks. Okay, Mason Graham,
all right, they got him, well, Michigan obviously, Ohio state
running back quin Shawn Jenkins, Okay, they got him from
Columbus right down the street, Bowling Green. They got a
kid that got the tight end and he's from Ohio
as well. Harrold foundin jr. So basically in an area

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of maybe one hundred plus miles, they got three top
picks right there.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
Well, One, you know that they're built to play in
cold weather.

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
Two, you know they understand the history and tradition of
the Browns because they had to be around it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
They may not be Browns.

Speaker 4 (01:24:53):
Fans, but they're certainly aware of the tradition of the Browns.
And they've gotten guys that could come in immediately and
make contributions. Quenchine Jenkins. You think about Fanning Junior, who
reminds me a lot of Antonio Gates in terms of
his style.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
It just kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:25:11):
Unorthodox, but just creates consistent separation. Fanning gives me those vibes.
And if they can get a quarterback situation resolved where
they're solid that quarterback and they have some playmakers, could
be interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
It's spot to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
This is unbelievable, okay, because we have a draft this
year that basically did not have any real big headliners,
and the one headliner that maybe would have been in
the draft wasn't drafted until the fifth round, one hundred
and forty fourth pick. That's your doors, Sanders. And the
shame of it all is that he got only accolades.
That's all everybody talked about. And I think it's a

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shame for a guy like cam Ward, who was the
number one pick and he went to the Tennessee Titans
out of the University of Miami quarterback. No one talked
about him. So there was an unbelievable story in the
New York Times about him, and I wanted to share
some of the highlights about this. I had no idea
and cam Ward right now, I'm sure you knew this.
They said he couldn't throw enough, they said he was overweight.

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And more than that, he said that he was a star,
a zero star recruit. He wasn't even recruited. As a
matter of fact, he said that nobody wanted him. When
he was in high school, he wanted to play basketball.
That's basically what his sport was. But he played football
since the fourth grade. His mom, patrese urged his son.
He urged him to reconsider to play football again. She

(01:26:28):
encouraged him to attend the first day of practice and
then decide if you're going to play football or not.
And then he went back to the second practice. He
said he had to finish the season. And then he
said to his mom, I don't have any regrets by
doing this. I like it. And the morning after the
first practice, he woke up told his mom to drive
him to the field again. It's unbelievable, he said. When
this kid is committed to something, there's no shortcuts. So

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that's a great a great trade. And I think he
still has that trade. But the story of his life,
of his football career, nobody wanted him in college I
mean this kid, really, they had a scrap and scrape
for I had no idea all the way. He didn't
want to play, didn't want to No one want them.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:27:06):
So I don't know if you know this, but cam
Ward and shuder Sand has worked out together.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
Excuse me, how so I can talk.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
Cam Ward and shuder Sand has worked out together in Dallas.
They're always together. The videos of them together and what
you have are polar opposites in terms of paddigree. You
have the zero star recruit and cam Ward, who, as
the young people say, they had to get it out
the mud.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
He had to scratch and.

Speaker 4 (01:27:33):
Claw for everything that he got to go from a
zero star recruit to incarnate word, to Washington State to Miami. Meanwhile,
you have Sojure, who is a four slash five star
recruit who comes from like a privileged life in terms
of his dad was a Hall of Fame player all
of that stuff. He goes to Jackson State following his dad,
and then he goes to Colorado. When they were together

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and people would see them working and there was the
two alp was in the thing. But cam Ward did
not mind challenging Shadure verbally in terms of questioning how
much he loved the game, and those things and those
videos might have impacted the way that people perceive cam Ward,
not just in terms of the talent, but in terms

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of the tenacity that comes with him as a part
of his leadership skill, his leadership style.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
He's a very.

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
Impressive person, very impressive leader. And when you talk to
people around the program, they swear by his leadership ability
down in Miami.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
And he's a loyal kid too. But I had First
of all, he went to the school incarnate word. I
never heard of the school in Texas. That was the
only school that gave him a break that was in
the football Championship Subdivision program. That's where he went to
and is coach Eric Morris, he coached Baker Mayfield. This
guy coach Patrick Mahomes of Texas Tech.

Speaker 4 (01:28:53):
And that's how you get like cam Ward. Yeah, and
that's how he got to Washington State. He followed the
offensive coordinator to Washington State. And so that's how he
got his big opportunity and break. And then that final
year when he decided he was gonna go pro or whatever,
he got an evaluation back that suggested and advised him
to go back because he wasn't going to be a
top pick. He goes to Miami and puts on for

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the city and now he's sitting there in a perfect
position in the first runner.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
Yeah, in Washington State, I don't think he opened up
many eyes because the team was seven and six back
in twenty twenty two and they lost a couple of
close games to Oregon in Utah and then they were
he played Southern calin Washington was closed. But I don't
think a lot of people were saying this guy's going
to be a number one pick. But he had, but he.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
Had obviously they weren't.

Speaker 4 (01:29:40):
Yeah, they weren't saying that last year before going to Miami,
and right, that's why it's gonna be interesting because there
pedigree does matter, and to be a zero star recruit.
Now some would say he was zero star recruit because
of the offense that he ran in high school wasn't seen,
kind of grew up in a a different area where

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maybe you couldn't get you couldn't get a lot of
eyeballs on them. But to go from a zero star
recruit to a number one overall pick is uncommon. So
the curiosity for me is what does that talent look
like as a franchise quarterback in the league that's expected
to take your team to higher heights.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
And you have always told me, and I've always listened
to this. You know, talent is great, Talent is everything
to an extent, but it's the program that you're in
and the system that they run. All right, He's going
to Tennessee. What kind of system do they have to
make cam Ward be successful? Too many people are saying, well,

(01:30:39):
we got cam Ward, now we will be successful. No,
he's got to fit into a system that conjive with
his skill set that makes him successful.

Speaker 4 (01:30:50):
I mean, I mean, I don't know how much. I
don't know if they have enough talent for him to
be successful. Right now, they have Cavin Ridley, who be
the number one. They just signed Tyler Lockett. I think
they Advan Jefferson coming on board. They have Tony Pollet
in the backfield. That's not a lot of star power

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on the perimeter. You know, take Calvin really away. You
probably can command a double team, but everybody else is.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
Just solid at that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
I don't know if that's enough to elevate him to
the next level. You can scheme up a lot of things.
But if it's not, I don't know, can consistently like
executed or done at a high level.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
What does it mean?

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
You know, it's a funny situation because if you look
at the National Football League and the teams that are
on the outside looking in and that not make the playoffs,
they need quarterbacks. They need quarterback help. And obviously it
may very well be the most important position in all
of sports, all of sports. However, you know there's so
much pressure on that position as to when a team

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gets a quarterback and say, okay, we're going to win
now because we have this player. It doesn't work that way.
He has to have the parts. It's one of the
few sports really and truly that it's almost like a
chain link fence. Everybody has to do their part. You
look at the offensive line. You know, if one guy
faulters on that line, the line suffers. It really does.
And that's why football is such a beautiful sport because

(01:32:16):
it is a sport dependent upon everybody else on that team.
Where basketball, you know, one guy could almost lead a team.
It's only five guys playing. One guy could really carry
the team on his back. And we've seen that we
really have baseball, get a couple of good pitchers, you
can get it done. In football, you need the unit.
That's what you need. And I don't know if cam

(01:32:38):
Ward has the unit. And certainly, you know, people in
Tendessee right now, they're raving this ad. We're going to
win now because we have him, you know, put the
brakes on a little bit. You need players around the quarterback,
no matter how good he may very well be.

Speaker 4 (01:32:53):
Yeah, So there are three things around the quarterback that
you must have. We we call him the three piece
play caller, playmakers, pass protectors.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
Play call it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:04):
Brian Callahan's been around Joe Burrow, so I'm confident he
can build an offense that works for him.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
Playmakers I listed it out for you. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:33:13):
I don't know how many high end playmakers they have
around them. And then pass protectors. They're working on the
offensive line, trying to fix that offensive line. But the
offensive line can be a little leaky. So it might
be ugly for cam.

Speaker 3 (01:33:23):
Ward early.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
On this jersey this year.

Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
Yeah, it may be ugly early before he settles in
later and becomes the player that we expect him to become.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Okay, but do you know as well, as I do that.
After the draft is over, they go back to the
board and say, you know, we kind of missed on this.
We still need this, so you go after players now
in free agency that could really help to plug some holes.

Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
Yeah, you do, but most of the players that were
good already off the board.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
You know, T Higgins isn't on the board anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
So where're you gonna get your guys? They're trying find
some veteran players that are there. But you remember they
signed Tyler Lockett in right on the eve of the draft,
So where are they.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
Go and find some other playmakers to put around them.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Yeah, it's funny because I still think that the biggest
name in the draft is not cam Ward, although he's
the number one pick and obviously he's a quarterback and
there was a need for quarterback. I think the biggest
name in the draft right now is Ashton Genty, the
number six pick went to the Raiders running back out
of Boise State. You know, the question is going to adapt.

(01:34:33):
I mean, he didn't play against great talent at Boise State,
but I watched him run. He's very He's like a bull.
He's like a bulldozer. That's what he is. I think
he'll be very successful, especially on a team that only
averaged eighty yards rushing a game. I mean, I think
that may be the best pick in the draft, and
again went under the radar thanks to Shade or Sanders.

(01:34:53):
That's what everybody talked about.

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
That is what everybody talked about. But as in Jitsu,
will get his chain. A lot of people like him.
He's physical, he is a talented runner who has, you know,
like that two thousand yard potential when you look at
everything that he brings to the table. They have to
make sure they have the offensive line right to give

(01:35:15):
him a chance to dominate. But I mean, he's an
intriguing player. He's a big time prospect. I should be
fun to watch him work in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
You know, I have to apologize because I think I'm
making you lose your voice today, and I really hate that.
I really do.

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
No, You're not doing that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
I feel like when we have our next break, I
just need to have a big cough and hook up
a loogie so I can get this out.

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
That's what I'm doing so right now I'm playing with it.

Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
I just need to when we go to a commercial break,
I need to put the microphone down and when I
come back, I can guarantee you it be much different.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
That's because I tell you what it would be cheating
people to hear your knowledge on the game of football,
especially on this weekend. For the way I mean that,
because you know it's for is not concerned. I just
love asking you a question, picking your mind because you've
been there, done that, you know the game, you played
the game, and you take us behind the curtain, like
you know, you talked about the day you were drafted.
You talked about being in the locker room and awe,

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you know the big names that you came in there.
You see the next of these plays. Those are great stories. Actually,
you should probably write a book. You really should. You know,
if you write a book, I'd be more than happy
to write the forward for you. I really would.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
I don't know if I need to write a book.
That's a lot, well you can.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
I mean the stuff that you write for NFL dot
com and put that together, that could be a book.
And I do want to go back to that list
because again, the work that you put into this should
not go undone and not unnoticed because it's a lot
of work, and I think you deserve at least mentioned,
and I'm going to try to get to as many
as we can. We only got to one. I think
we only got.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
To Tennis war one got the first pick.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
But there was a lot to talk about with can
One because I think his story needed to be told.
Al so there was zero to one. That's what he was.
Nobody wanted him and I always a number one pick.
But let's go to but two. And that was your team,
the Jacksonville Jaguars. How are they celebrating on Jacksonville. I
mean they must have had a parade down Broadway there
because they got Travis Hunter, who basically is probably the
best athlete in the draft right now, and he's going

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to play both ways. So I'm happy because there were
some teams that probably weren't going to play him both ways.
Ron Glynn who probably played both ways in Jacksonville as
a receiver in a corner.

Speaker 4 (01:37:22):
Well, the reason why he was important is because of
who he is, not necessarily what he does. What he
does is valuable, like a two way standout, a guy
who is unrivaled in terms of his athleticism and playmaking ability.

Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
But the reason why he's important that Jacksonville is.

Speaker 4 (01:37:40):
He is a guy who loves ball, who loves competition,
who loves being the best at anything and everything that
he does.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
Their stories and you can look this up. When he
went on.

Speaker 4 (01:37:52):
The visit like a day ago after he was picked,
he wanted to work out with the team. He didn't
want to leave, and they were like, dude, you can't
work out, Like you can't work out with U shit,
Like it's against.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
The league rules. Like that's how all in he is.

Speaker 4 (01:38:08):
And gentle manager James Gladstone said this. He was like,
if you want to change the culture, you bring in
the people who do it just.

Speaker 3 (01:38:18):
By being themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:38:19):
So and if we want to create a tough, hardworking environment,
well you just go get tough, hardworking people and the
environment changes. And so Jacksonville wants a team where they
have a bunch of guys that love ball, that ball
is important, They love competition. You put the ball down anytime, anywhere,

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any place, they're ready for it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:42):
And Travis Hunter is one of those guys.

Speaker 4 (01:38:45):
But they also took some other guys behind him that
exhibited those qualities, went to the Senior Bowl and participated
and did those things. But Travis is the charrio atop
the Sunday to help them kind of the change that
needed to happen for this team to go to the
next level.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
You know, you you're the guy that concerns yourself on
the field between the White Lions. I'm the guy that
worries about the box office. I gotta believe as someone
with the call Jacksonville today, there was a big bump
in season ticket sales because they're drafting Travis Hunter. Maybe
I'm mistaken. I didn't even know what the season ticket
number is in Jacksonville. I don't think they sell out

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every game, but I think that he was a big
boost to ticket sales after he was drafted. People want
to see him play, really.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
I mean, they love him. He's passionate.

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
He does a really good job not only playing, but
just who he is, the energy that he brings.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
It's gonna be fun to watch. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
So when he was drafted on TV, he just ran
down the hallway. He was crazy, he really was, and
that was great. I mean, you know, I think people
have to realize these are kids, you know, the kids
in that mindset playing a kid's game, that's basically what
an is, and they're going into the business world. In
the National Football League, and he was happy as a lark.

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He was jumping up and down, a million dollar smile.
You know, you gotta feel for these guys. It's great.
It's a life changer. That's what it is, a life change.
I loved it, I really did. And we'll pick up
on this and so much more. Because Bucky's gotta get
a drink and spin up some stuff. I don't want
to hear about it.

Speaker 5 (01:40:22):
You gotta do that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
He's Bucking Brooks getting my necks at Bucket Brooks had
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Fox Sports Sunday and Fox Ports. Ready, he's Bucket Brooks
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And by the way, calm the chaos car all you
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(01:41:08):
you get it out?

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
I did? I did? I did? I got it out
much better.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
Must look like a rainbow. I don't want to know anymore.
That's about rainbow.

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
I just hugged it and flushed like nothing, nothing majeor.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
Okay, you got the playing game in about twelve minutes
from now, so we'll do that. But the NFL draft
we talked about that had one of the more intriguing
first rounds in recent years this year this past week,
with only two quarterbacks getting taken around one the fewest
since Kenny Pickett was the lone first round selection twenty
twenty two. And Kenny Pickett, you're gonna be moving to
the sidelines because she Doer Sanders is coming to Cleveland

(01:41:42):
right now now. This was the first draft that had
multiple tight ends, Colston Lovelin and Tyler Warren drafted in
the first fourteen picks, the first time since nineteen seventy three.
SEC at fifteen picks, Big ten at eleven combined for
twenty six of the thirty two selections in the first round.
You talk about big time play, big time conferences, Big
ten SEC. They dominated twenty six or thirty two picks. Unreal.

Speaker 4 (01:42:06):
Yep, yeah, they dominated when they became too basically super conferences.
You made it very very easy for scouts to know
where to go to see the best talent. The talent
now resides in the SEC like it always has, and
now the Big ten is coming on like gamebusters. That
is reflective of how the league sees it. When the
draft has twenty six out of thirty two coming from

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Big ten teams, how does it change or will it change? No,
it's not going to change because what those teams are
doing in the current state of affairs is they're waiting
for you to go play somewhere smaller, don't win rings,
but then when you've developed enough, we'll bring you up.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
That's how they're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:42:45):
It's just a different it's a different hustle, but it's
a minor league system. And so you go from small
school to non group of five I mean, and then
to group of five or a super conference and then
you get picked.

Speaker 3 (01:42:58):
That's how it operates.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
Let me let me take a little bit of a
detour on the road if I can. Right now, we're
talking about college recruiting. I've noticed that maybe I'm wrong.
I'm not a college recruit by any means, but college
is right now bypassing the four year possibility of getting
a high school stud a five star high school player.
Rather than do that, go into the portal and get

(01:43:20):
a guy that's in the portal.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
Yes, Rather they have somebody in the portal because he's
ready to go right now. I do not want to
wait on someone developed. I can have the urgency that
I needed to win right now. Take a few of them.
But nah, there're more guys that are living in the portal.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
It's funny because I would think, and maybe I'm wrong.
I mean, do you have to pay an nil high
school kid? I mean, is he getting paid as well
out of high school? Is he getting because the portal
guys get money.

Speaker 3 (01:43:49):
Yeah, everybody's getting money. Everybody gets money now something they
already get money on my kind of money.

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
It's funny why I say that, because you know, I
write a I write for the Brooklyn Daily Eagle newspaper, Brooklyn,
New York, and I have a high school column on Friday.
The high school coaches sent me stuff, and when I
write about these high school seniors that are doing well
in the old city teams and things like that. I
mailed clippings out to various coaches across the country, and
I mailed the basketball wanted Doug Gottlieb, and he texted

(01:44:18):
me back he said, you know what, we go in
the portal. He didn't want high school kids, you know,
Green Bay. I just, you know, kind of like a
smack of the face to me. I mean, so it's
kind of rough if you're a high school player right now,
be a football or basketball to get recruited, isn't it.
I mean, you're taking a second seat to guys that
already played the game in college.

Speaker 4 (01:44:37):
You are, so now you got to cast your eyes
completely differently on what your end goal is at the
end of high school. Are you okay going to junior
college or are you okay going to a D three college?
Just to continue to play. You have to have realistic
and horror conversations with parents about this.

Speaker 3 (01:44:52):
Is what the path looks like for you. Kid. If
you're not willing to do that, you don't have a
tough time finding a spot to play.

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
It really is. Things have changed. I think a lot
of coaches can't handle him, really, but things have changed,
and really it's not so much recruiting and having to
win the parents over in the living room. You got
to bring the checkbook. That's basically what wins him over.
Right now, how much you're paying me, coach, how much
you pay men Otherwise, that's it. That's with the name
of the game. So we'll see what happens. And we

(01:45:19):
talked about should standers agnauseum today, We really did. But
there's one guy, one guy who defended should do sand
is from the beginning to the end. His name is
Jared Bell from USA today, and he said, there's a
narrative and his talent, his mechanics, his arm, strength, his character,
all those things have been criticized during the ramp up

(01:45:40):
to the draft, right and look, they say he's hold
on to the ball too long, he had shaky protection,
his production, his toughness is resilience. Maybe could challenge that
as well. But you can't knock this. He passed for
thirty four yards, He passed for thirty seven touchdowns. He
led the Nations with seventy four percent completion rate last year.

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But he was not a first round pick. He's picked
fifth round, one hundred and forty fourth by the Cleveland Browns.
But the funny thing is the only time I read
any comments by his dad, who happened to be his coach.
The great Deon Sanders is like in Jared Bell's comms.
I guess Jared Bell has a relationship with Dion. I
don't think Deon talked to anybody else. And Dion said,

(01:46:24):
un quoting, just say you don't like me. He's talking
about the kid. Just say you're tired of me winning,
You're tired of me being the light, tired of me
being up, just consistently provoking change, withever I go. Just
say that, but don't attack my kids because of that.
And I'm waiting for Dion Sanders in a day or
so to come out and blast everybody. I think he will.

Speaker 4 (01:46:47):
I don't know if you'll come out and blast everybody,
but I do know he is not necessarily happy with
the way some of.

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
The stuff was portrayed, but that's life.

Speaker 4 (01:46:55):
No one is happy. And I will advise him he
has to stay off right now. He can't get involved
in dismiss right now because then it plays to every
perceived notion that the.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
League had about him. He has to allow should do
her to wear this.

Speaker 4 (01:47:11):
One and he has to like lean into him, counsel
him from afar. But he cannot step in, he cannot
tweet out stuff. He has to let it go because
of not it'll be a one and done for him.
The Browns will be the only opportunity to should should
do it gets and he won't get another opportunity the parents.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
It's sad, it really really it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:47:30):
It's not sad.

Speaker 4 (01:47:31):
But you got to understand is look, it's a privilege.
You're not entitled to play on Sundays.

Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
It's a privilege.

Speaker 4 (01:47:37):
So if you want to play, you gotta you gotta look,
you gotta you gotta dance along, you gotta play along.
You don't have to lose yourself. But there's some standards
and protocols that you must adhere to if you're gonna
play in our game. And so that's a decision that
he'll have to make. Is it mature enough to make
that decision on his own?

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
I don't know if you had a chance to see
some of the comments on social media, and we talk
some about we talk about some of them earlier today,
but you know, the the race, the race card came
into it and people were saying and I think they
were African American people that wrote these things. I don't know,
but maybe I'm wrong. I just assumed that they were.
And they said, I'm giving up in the National Football League.
I'm not following the league anymore. I'm giving up. I'm

(01:48:15):
you know, it's a racial thing and collusion, and you know,
I initially I kind of went the collusion route. You know,
after the first two three rounds, I thought maybe they
got together, they want to draft the guy. But the
racial thing, man, that was ugly, you know, the fake
general manager calling them up, the AI thing, you know
that that's garbage, it's really but the the racial thing

(01:48:36):
that to me, that that hurt. I mean, to put
that card away. I don't think that was even in
any way, matter of form or shape, had anything to
do with this. I mean, and you could tell me that,
I mean, it's not I know.

Speaker 3 (01:48:49):
It's not. Yeah, no, it's no.

Speaker 4 (01:48:51):
I won't say it's racist. It wasn't racist. They didn't
keep them out because they're racist. I would say that
here is like one of the the impacts of not
having a diverse front office, meaning that we all saw
the draft room pictures, right, and the draft room pictures
featured a lot of people that looked like each other.

(01:49:12):
There wasn't a scope of folks that were in those
draft rooms. By and large, what happens is when you
have a guy like your door that walks in that room.
If you have no one who has either lived that experience,
you may feel a kind of a certain kind of
way when he walks in.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
However, if you have a ko scope of.

Speaker 4 (01:49:29):
People, they may be able to interpret his actions and say, oh,
he's just doing X, Y and Z.

Speaker 3 (01:49:35):
He's that, and it may not be.

Speaker 4 (01:49:37):
Viewed as I don't say as a threat, right because
it's not threatening. It may not be viewed as how
it's been perceived as arrogant, confidence or whatever. Someone in
the room may suggest that, oh, he's just kind of swaggy.
He just has swag, Like, Hey, don't worry about that.
It's just swag. It's just a put on. It's nothing
too that. His heart is good. He just has a
lot of swag. And that may end the conversation. But

(01:49:59):
if you don't have that room, it can be he's arrogant,
he's cocky, he's conceded, he doesn't care about this and that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:07):
Sometimes when we're doing this process.

Speaker 4 (01:50:10):
You want to have multiple people that can get around
a player to get a true assessment of a player.
Because my background is different than your background, Andy, So
when I talk to a player and we hit on
a certain level, I'm able.

Speaker 3 (01:50:22):
To talk about that.

Speaker 4 (01:50:23):
When you talk to him, you may talk to him
and y'all may connect on a different level. That is
why we talk about diversity mattering in terms of those rooms,
because when you have divergent thought, different thoughts, And I'm
not talking about just racial diversion, I'm just talking about
different socio economic things, Like you have different touchways and
points where you can relate with a player different so

(01:50:44):
you can get a full profile of the player, That's
what I mean. And so some of that come into play.
But yeah, like I understand that, and people talk about
the double standards and all that, and he needs to
carry himself this way and that way and with what's
the difference in cam Ward and him and all that, Like,
there are a bunch of things in play, and I
would say that they made some missteps along the way

(01:51:04):
because he turned down opportunities to eliminate some of those
questions about him when he decided not to work out
and perform at the East West, the Combine Pro, the
Big twelve Pro Day, and then did everything on the showcase.
He turned down opportunities to convince a legion of people

(01:51:27):
that are, Okay, you know what, I rock with him.
I'll go with him because he's good enough. I saw
I'm at the Combine. I so I'm doing at the
East West. He was great, he's great, he's great now.
But advocate. But when you turn down those opportunities, you
pigeonhole yourself a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:51:39):
And that's ultimately what can't make to buite him?

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
What's the reason to turn it down? Why would you
turn that down?

Speaker 4 (01:51:45):
See, the noise is always loud, Andy, right, so now
the noise is loud. Remember now, more thanever, we have
everyone that tunes into these events and they weigh in
with their opinion. This generation also grows up on social media.
So what did we hear about Will Howard at the
Combine when, oh my god, it's the worst passing exposition
we've ever seen at the Combine? Oh my god, how

(01:52:06):
can anybody ever take this kid? Because it was so horrible?
YadA YadA, YadA, YadA YadA. Why would you want to
subject yourself to that. It takes someone who is really
strong mind in will to be like, oh, I'm cool.
It doesn't matter what they think. But the noise in
the drum beat is loud, and for some people who
live on social man, it's hard for them to handle

(01:52:29):
all of that. So that's why, because the combine is
such a thing where we're just such have such an
appetite for football that we look at a combine and
we act like it it matters.

Speaker 3 (01:52:38):
It's the only thing. It's a part of the evaluation,
but it's not everything.

Speaker 4 (01:52:42):
And so some guys don't want to put themselves out there.
And for instance, Will Johnson didn't run throughout the whole process,
and so that leads to questions about, well, how fast
is he?

Speaker 3 (01:52:54):
Does he have anything this and that.

Speaker 4 (01:52:56):
So what happened to Will Johnson in the corner from Michigan,
who we talked about being a top ten pick at
the beginning of the process, He's drafted in the second round. Andy,
everybody thinks that these things are Gotcha's right, Oh, the
combine is a gotch you. We're trying to take money
out of your pocket. We're trying to find something bad. Oh,
the pro day is this. No, those things enable us

(01:53:18):
to validate some of our opinions on you. It's not
to hurt you. It's for us to be able to
have a comprehensive report. So now we feel good about advocating.
But when you opt out of some of those things, well,
now you just kind of leave it to the jury.
So it's like being on trial if you decide not
to put on the defense and say, hey, it is

(01:53:38):
what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:53:38):
I'm good.

Speaker 4 (01:53:39):
Okay, So now we're going to go to the jury
room and we'll figure it out. That's what you've done.
You didn't present a case to make us feel great
about it. And some of these guys that elected not
to do these things, that's what happened, and it's your
doer's case. He didn't practice at all during the East
West Shrine game, Like he didn't. It's one thing not

(01:54:00):
to play, but he didn't practice. He didn't throw at
all at the Big twelve Pro Day. Okay, it's one
thing to you know, throw and it not work out.
But he put all of his eggs in the showcase
basket and the showcase was just okay. It wasn't a
great performance. That now plays into the narrative. Well, I
don't know how talented he is. You know, the last

(01:54:21):
time I saw I don't know how talented the year,
and then I saw him at the showcase. I don't
have anything else to change that opinion. That's where it matters.

Speaker 3 (01:54:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
Let me leave you with this quickly, because you mentioned
the combine. NFL reporter just Cina Anderson reported during the combine,
the quarterbacks coach for one team with one of the
top seven picks maintained that should do. It came up
as quote brash and quote arrogant during his interview with
the team. And this is what Dion had to say
about that quote the brother who lied and said that
I know what team he's from. This is what Dion said.

(01:54:53):
So I called the head coach. I said, dr come
on man, this is what we're doing. The coach told
Dea the characterization was off base. This is ruined them.
I mean, it really did. I mean, you got some
reporter that said that and it wasn't true.

Speaker 4 (01:55:03):
I didn't know, so maybe it was true, right, Maybe
it was true and just sent and reported that, and
then the reaction from Dion called him the coach. Maybe
that's what teams were fearful love when they said, you
know what, I'll.

Speaker 3 (01:55:20):
Go somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (01:55:21):
I won't even take him, all right, because you just
said that, Josina put out the report Dion called the
head coach.

Speaker 3 (01:55:29):
Maybe some of the teams that didn't take.

Speaker 4 (01:55:32):
Your door were doing it because man, I don't want
to deal with the Dion effect.

Speaker 3 (01:55:37):
If I take him and I.

Speaker 4 (01:55:39):
Coach him hard, and what if he tells Dion that
I yelled at him? Is he gonna call I'm not
saying it's true, but like that's how some people think.
So then when you have choices, right, you have choices
to make. I can take this player who everything is quiet,
or I can take this player where everything is loud
and noisy.

Speaker 3 (01:55:59):
Now I'm gonna take the choiet.

Speaker 4 (01:56:00):
I don't want to have to deal with it because
what is the thing that you always talk about distractions
in the locker room, Like people don't want to deal
with distractions. And I'm not saying that Prime is a distraction.
But if that happened at the combine and word travel
through the league, a man Prime called the coach.

Speaker 3 (01:56:20):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:56:21):
So then they gets to another team and team is like, hey, guys,
look I just heard that like e before came out
and Dion call so now it So that's how it
all whatever, So it's not collusion. The word travels right
and so that could lead to some of the stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
He's Bucky Brooks and Andy Freman. He's a real way
to blow off some steam. The playing game. It's freaking next,
all right, the blame game right around the bend. This
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Speaker 1 (01:57:11):
It's all your fault. It's your fault. This is all
your fault. Maybe it's everyone's fault. She's a liar. That's
why there's the blame game game. Let's figure out who
to blame.

Speaker 2 (01:57:27):
He's a liar.

Speaker 6 (01:57:29):
I'm not that much of a liar today. But I
can't say I can't lie because we all lie. But
who do you blame on this one? Andy and Bucky So?
Hockey fans in the USA might have noticed something different
from dnt's broadcast of Game one between Winnipeg and Saint Louis,
the Jets and the Blues. So John Foresland and Jennifer

(01:57:50):
Barterill called the game from a studio in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (01:57:54):
Who do you blame?

Speaker 3 (01:57:55):
Bucky Brooks, oh Man, that's weird. I blamed the broadcast team.

Speaker 4 (01:58:01):
He just decided to go l cheap or route, So
I blame them.

Speaker 2 (01:58:05):
I blame TNT. You know why? It's a collusion? I
guess the NHL collusion like they do what like should
do a Sanders.

Speaker 1 (01:58:12):
It's collusion.

Speaker 6 (01:58:13):
That's the new term for now, all right, well collusion indeed? Well,
next on, guys. Leaders of the college football playoff met
in Dallas the other day. Playoffs will be identical to
last year, first round bys for the four highest ranked
in conference champions, another automatic spot, but not a bye
week for the fifth highest ranked conference champion and next
seven highest ranked teams at the end of the season.

Speaker 5 (01:58:35):
Who do you blame?

Speaker 2 (01:58:36):
And d they're too lazy to change, and I blame
the committee. They wanted to expand it. I guess they
didn't expand this year. But you know what, it's okay,
leave it the way it is.

Speaker 4 (01:58:44):
I like it, you know, I think just leave it
the way it is, don't mess with it, like let
it just let it be what it's gonna be.

Speaker 3 (01:58:51):
I think it's too late in the game to kind
of change and rearrange. I'm okay with it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:54):
As is, just like the Beatles, let it be, all right.

Speaker 6 (01:58:58):
Well, we're not gonna let college football be because we
got one more with them. So one way you can
tell your favorite college football team really stinks, guys. Simple
That team is always in the highlight film as the
opposing team after a player is drafted.

Speaker 5 (01:59:13):
Who do you blame for this, Bucky Brooks.

Speaker 4 (01:59:16):
I blame your opposing team that's always getting smashed.

Speaker 3 (01:59:19):
I can't if your team is bad, they're gonna pick
on you. They gonna Everyone knows what those highlight games are.
So it's it's on the team to be better.

Speaker 2 (01:59:27):
You gotta play in the coach. Coach is gonna get
fired you keep on showing that film every time. Every
time I see someone gets strafted. Usually it's against the
Cincinnati Bengals. It really is. Defensively, they're terrible. So what
they do they fight Luanaumo. They blamed him, That's what
they did. He was a scapegoat, all right.

Speaker 6 (01:59:43):
Last one guys, the Sheder Sanders Caper, projected as the
first round selection, dumped after three.

Speaker 1 (01:59:48):
Who do you blame?

Speaker 6 (01:59:49):
Final blame Andy, collosion, collosion the league.

Speaker 2 (01:59:53):
That's what it was.