Andy Furman & Bucky Brooks Discuss Aaron Rodgers Finally Signing, Shemar Stewart's Rookie Contract Conundrum, A Happy Fathers Day, And Much More!!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
All right, it is our day, Yes it is, and
that's coming right out. Good morning, everybody. Father's Day. Yes,
it's our day. How do you like that? I'm May
Furman Bucket Brooks my partner, and we are Fox Sports
Sunday and Fox Sports Radio. By the way, we're broadcasting
live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. In a way
we go, by the way, a little history lesson because
I've been told by many people I don't have a

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lot between my years, but really I think I do
because I do a little things here that we have
to educate and entertain at the same time. And by
the way, people don't even realize the history of Father's Day.
Father's Day was first proposed when back in nineteen oh
nine by Sonora Smart Dodd, who wanted to honor her father,
who basically was a Civil War veteran who raised her

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and raised her siblings all alone. The first Father's Day
when celebrated June nineteenth, nineteen ten, where in Spokane, Washington, Okay.
And it gained some traction after that, and it was
until get this, it was not until nineteen seventy two
that it became a permanent national holiday according to who

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the History Channels.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
How do you like that?

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Okay, let's move on right now. And I wanted to
talk about Father's Day for a second. I want to
pull back the curtain, if I may, If I may,
please permit me for just a minute, okay, because I
listened to these shows on Father's Day during the year
and all the hosts are saying, what are you gonna
do on Father's Day? Well, the best thing I want
to do is be left alone? All right, I think
that's kind of passe. I'm going to pull back the

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curtain and say what it's like to be a dad.
And I love my dad and he's no longer with us,
but he kind of got me started in the world
of sports. Basically, he knew nothing about sports. He could
care less about sports. But I remember very distinctly that
on Sunday evenings he would take me to Madison Square
Garden to City New York Rangers play hockey. He kind

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of got a kick out of that as a kid.
As a kid growing up in Brooklyn, New York. I
remember we drove by was then Ebbittsfield. I may not
have heard of that, but that was the place where
the Dodgers played before they moved to La drove by
that place one evening. It was a big edifice, lights shining,
a lot of noise inside. I asked my mom and dad.
I asked my dad in particular, what is that? What's

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inside there? What's going on?

Speaker 3 (02:17):
All right?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, the Dodgers had left town, they were gone. But
he did manage to take me and a cousin of
mine who got tickets to see a soccer game in Ebitsfield.
So I did manage before it was torn down to
go inside Ebitsfield and Brooklyn. So that was my start
in Brooklyn and my start with parents andself with my dad.
But being a dad, you know, I think being a

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dad is a wonderful opportunity than I am. I'm a
dad to two wonderful young men who basically, and again
i'll pull back the curtain and tell you, my wife
and I went to Bulgaria to adopt these young boys
when they were three and four, all right, and I
followed them every minute of their actions. It took them
six months to speak English, it really did. And they

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were kind of like so different, which made them beautiful.
When was the sports nut still is and the other
one basically is a computer nerd. So that's fine, okay,
and they messed together very nicely. However, however, I would
say this the sports nut. I never missed a game.
My wife and I and he played three sports. In
high school he played football, he ran track, and he wrestled,

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and in college he played football. So we just were
there all the time for him. I think that's the
job of the dad. And speaking of dads, is one
of the best dads on God's Green Earth. Bucky Brooks.
Bucky Brooks, Happy Father's Day to you, my friend.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
How are you?

Speaker 4 (03:35):
I'm great, Andy? Whatsout you?

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Well?

Speaker 3 (03:37):
I want to hear what it's like to be a dad.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
I know you have some beautiful kids, and what is
it like to be a dad going to their events?
And you know, not only what you want to do
on Father's Day, but the duties of a dad.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
You know, how tough was it? How wonderful is it?

Speaker 5 (03:52):
No, obviously is great and is great for me because
I have one of each.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
You have a son and a daughter, so being able
to care and kind.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
Of have the shared experience, right, So you talk about
the tenderness of being a girl dad, But also the
funds and the throwback night you're of being a boy
dad and being able to go to the events, being
able to support them in their various endeavors. It's different,
it's unique. It's a lot different than I ever imagine
fatherhood would be. But it's been fantastic, and you know,

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accused that you have and the things that you take
from being a dad sometimes come from.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Your own house and watching my dad.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
So you try to take the things that you like,
the things that you remember from your childhood, and you tried.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
To pay it forward. So it's been a wonderful rye.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
You know, twenty one eighteen year old trying to do
the best that they can as they kind of make
their way to and through college. It's been fun to
kind of watch them grow and be independent on their own.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
And they're very lucky to have a dad like you.
So happy Father's Day to you.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I'm sure you'll be surprised, and a lot of loving
today in the Brooks household. Now we move along. First
of all, we want to welcome our guy Patrick. Patty's back,
a executive director, executive director, slash producer.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Patty. Welcome back, Oh are you.

Speaker 6 (05:04):
I'm doing great, it's glad to be back. Guys. Hey,
we're back in so I.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Know you're probably not happy to be back, but no
one likes to work. But oh come on, you know
one of the laziest guys on God's okay. Now, really
we love having your back here. It's great because you
belong to You're part of the family. So thank you,
and I'm glad you had a good.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
Restless Oh yeah, thank you, thank you. It wasn't really
good rest. But also last Sunday when I was waking up,
like it just wasn't the same, I was like, I'm like,
I miss Andy, I miss Buggy, I miss the guys.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
I'm like, come on, all right, I mean you're lying
through your teeth, but we left to hear that. Now
we move along, I say, fit to be tired. Let's
talk about the NBA playoffs buck if we can. I
mean two games now each Monday night, game five in
Oklahoma City. First of all, I don't understand the scheduling
aspect here of the National Basketball Association. There's no game
on Saturday, no game on Sunday. They've played on a

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Friday night and now they're playing on a Monday night.
I guess TV has something to do with that. But
still in all you think that you'd want to have
the weekend for an NBA game, at least a finals.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
I don't get that at all.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
Yeah, I mean it's weird the way that it feel,
because like to have it on a Friday and I
have it over the weekend is a little odd. You
don't take advantage of everyone being around and you.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Know, I know, like they like to stretch out the finals.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
They have it all set up, the formula is always
in place, but it is.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
A little odd. You would think that you would take
advantage of the holiday weekend.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
No doubt about that, okay, And going into the playoffs
and going into the finals in particular, and it's still
this kind of like storyline is still there. Well, I
hear about no market, small market, no stars, and that's
the storyline right there. And I'm going to go back
to Friday's game for a second. You move that game
to New York, moved that game to Chicago. It's all

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of a sudden, the Big Time Operation. Okay, it was
very competitive. SGA had fifteen points in the last quarter.
What else do you need? He ended up with shooting
twelve to twenty four to thirty five points. It was
a great competitive game. I don't care what the market is.
This is turning out to be a very competitive, super
duper series.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
It really is.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
People are saying Oklahoma City and four, Oklahoma City in five.
I'm not one of those guys that can predict the future.
If I did, I'd be a millionaire. I buy a lottery.
I just don't predict the future. So I watch it,
I digest it.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
I'm learning. I'm seeing right now that it's a great series.
It really is.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
And maybe there's no superstar right now, but certainly there
are budding superstars right now. SGA is one of them.
Tyreus Halliburton's another right there.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
Yeah, look, I mean, look, you talk about the star power.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
I don't know about star power, but I would say
the collective depth and talent of both teams makes it
a very compelling series. It's also compelling because of their
playing styles, the way that they pick up ninety four
feet on each end. Talking about two of the top
the NBA defense is playing, and then when you go
on offense, you know both of them can spread it around.
They both can shoot the three ball, but they also

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love and show a mastery of.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
The mid range game.

Speaker 5 (07:59):
To me, it's been fan task that you can see
the coaching adjustments, you can see all the things that
you want to see.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
It's right there for you if you're paying attention. It's
a great series.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
And so whether it's a small market to small market
teams or big market versus small market, this has.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
Been great basketball.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
And it's unfortunate that some people aren't watching because of
the nature of TV and those things. But Man, Indiana,
OKAC like on the floor has been everything that we
want to see.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
There's no doubt.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
And I'll tell you what though over the years I
read these reports and I digest them and I spit
them out. I never stopped to think about that, but
now I am simply because this small market kind of
storylines really got me going. And more than that is
the TV thing, as you just mentioned, the TV Adam
Silda had a kind of state of the Union State

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of the NBA address the other day. He said that
the games one and two together averaged eight point eight
four million viewers, and this total is down at least
twenty four percent from the past three years and the
lowest since two thousand and seven. And except when during
the Lakers Bubble championship year in twenty twenty, all right,
then silver came back. They said that Indianapolis and Oklahoma

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City are both quote completely.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Captured by the finals.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Okay, I don't understand why media people are so concerned
with TV ratings and attendants that's all I hear. You
know in baseball, it's attendance, it's TV rating. Is there
a reason why? Could could someone explain that? I know
you have the answers with ask Bucky all the time.
Maybe you can answer that for me. Why are media people,
especially print media people, so concerned with attendance figures in

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sports and TV ratings in sports.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
Because we're so used to playing the comparing contrast game.
We're so used to being able to say this is
the best sense, well this is the worst sense. And
because you have to have numbers and TV ratings or
viewership numbers to be able to put out there to
make those points, that's why you hear it all the time.
That's the only reason why you were justified, because most

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of us don't understand Nilsen ratings, don't understand what it
really takes to be the highest rated show in a
time period of those things. We're doing it because we're
so used to always doing to compare, to contrast, so
we can determine a winner and a loser. And right
now we're trying to peg this year's finals in the
lot with all the losers.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
You hit it right in the head, and I'll tell
you what sports really is all about. It's not about
market size. It's not about super dupid players or all
star players or tremendous players. It's all about this word.
And I've always said this, it's all about superlatives. And
what do I mean by that best, worst, tallest, smallest, fattest, skinniest,
whatever it may be. Superlative cell And I was a

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PR guy, and that's what it's all about. Who's the
highest scoring guy on your team? It's all about superlatives.
If you're a PR guy, a publicist, or talking about
sports key points, remember the term superlatives. Who's the best,
who's the worst, what's the biggest, was the smallest? That's
what it's all about, right, That's what sports basically is.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
Yeah, I mean, that's what it's come down to. That's
what we live for. We are always comparing and contrasting.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
If it's not player.

Speaker 5 (11:07):
The player is player from one era versus player from
another era. It is part of the things that we do,
particularly in what we call the hot take era. It's
being able to make these wild assertions and assumptions based
on oh, well this is better than that, and you
can't argue me off that point. The ratings fall into

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that debate.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
No doubt about that.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Now.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
I felt kind of bad for Adam silver brook Us.
He had to stand up there and defend himselves in
front of the media, the throng of media people the
other day, and he said, look, people compare us to
twenty years ago, you know, when the ratings were fairly good.
But Games one or two this year in the finals
are the highest rated programs in May and June so
far on television. If something beats us, it's another sports program.

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So it's back twenty years ago. We often didn't win
the night when the finals were on, but the absolute
rating is lower. Now, Okay, you got to defend themselves
in Look, it's a different era. You can't compare it
to twenty years to go. There was no cable basically
back then it was different. People were getting their sports
on three TV, stations.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
That was the networks right there, And I'll leave it
at that because I just felt bad that Adam Silver
has to kind of defend himself for TV ratings. Come on, really,
let's get back to the ball game right now. Let's
talk about Oklahoma City. I looked at the statuet and
you can learn a lot from the statuet that game
on Friday night. I don't think a lot of people
talked about this. Oklahoma City had just eleven assists in

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that ballgame. And you're gonna say, well, what does that mean. Well,
it means that the Indiana Pacers had to force Oklahoma
City to score on isolation. There was not a lot
of pass that couldn't get a completion, if you will,
on a.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Pass play for an assist.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
So they had to go one on one and that's
why the Pacers defense was so tight, so good, and
it was a shame. The way they lost was basically
they blew a couple of free throws down the stretch
and they had the game in hand.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
They really did, so we'll see what happened.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
I think that was the key to it game, that
the defense was so smothering by Indiana they only God,
I love it assist Oklahoma City did and now is
the defense that really kept them in the ballgame.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
But they blew it on the foul line.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, it's not only that.

Speaker 5 (13:12):
I mean they held them well below their normal average
when it came to three point shooting.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
When you look at the game.

Speaker 5 (13:19):
When you looked at the game, it felt like Indiana
was in control of the game the entire time, meaning
the pace of the game was to Indiana's liking. The
way Oklahoma City was having to struggle to get their buckets.
It's exactly how Rick Carlisle and the Pacers wanted Oklahoma
City to play. When you come out and you lose
a game like that, when you clearly outplayed the other team, man,

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that stings. Now, it doesn't quite sting like the way
that the Knicks felt when they lost Game one of
the Conference finals. But sometimes it can be tough to
bounce back from that because in that game everything was
leaning in Indiana's direction, and so when you don't come
away with the win, you worry about that lost effort

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having lingering effects. We'll see if they can play that
well going forward and play that well and win, because
this is a game that they will really regret because
this should have been a three to one lead in
favor Indiana. Now they go back to OKC with a
two to two game and best of three remaining.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
No doubt about that.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
It's very hard to win a basketball game, especially an
NBA game, without moving the ball around, without making threes.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
What do I mean by that?

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Oklahoma City was three of seventeen on the three point attempts,
which is about seventeen to eighteen percent. The thunder made
thirty four to three throws in that game, and Jalen
Williams at twenty seven, Alos Cruzo at twenty. I don't
want to rehash that too much because this is like
Friday Night. But the Pacers they led by as many
as ten points in the third quarter and offensive for
the rest of the game. They only scored eighteen more

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points in the final fourteen minutes. Halliburn that eighteen points,
seven assists, and I'll tell you this much. You know
they say he wants to be more of a team player.
The hell with that. Start shooting the ball. I want
to see Halliburton get twenty five or more. That's what
he needs to do. He's the guy who's going to
carry them. It's great that he's a team player and
he wants to be a team player and do a
lot of feeding of assists. Keep the ball, tyres, keep

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the ball and shoot. That's what you got to do.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
I mean, I think he does have to find a
way to be more aggressive and insert himself into the game.
He is being able to get away this series with
kind of being a guy that has played well in
the clutch, but he's kind of going through these long
spouts of being non existent, being a non factor. The
good thing if you're Indiana, you've seen that the rest
of the team is good enough to kind of carry

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the team to a win without him playing at his best.
But if they're going to win the series, if they're
going to win the next two out of three games,
they're going to need Halliburton to step his game up.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
He's gonna have to play like an all star.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Well, in the fourth quarter, he was back to himself
because he took seven shots, which is the most he's
attempted in any quarter in the finals. So maybe he
was told in the huddle and maybe he just said
to himself, I'm taking over right now. So we'll see
what happens, but you know the pace, If they just
could have made a few more shots down the stretch,
they'd be leading this series through to one.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
If should have, could have, would have.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
But the point is now that ain't got to go
out to Oklahoma City, which is basically a place where
they've already won, so it's not impossible they split in
Oklahoma City. So this is turning into a pretty darn
good series. But on a Monday night, really, come on, Adam,
you're better than that. I don't get it. I mean,
Monday night, I'm gonna watch it. You're gonna watch it.
Most of America will, maybe maybe Mondays a good night,

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because maybe there's less competition in the world of sports
on a Monday. There's no golf to go against and
things like that. No football. I know there was some
minor league football playing UFCUC Yeah, whatever the heck it is.
But maybe they're better off on a Monday night.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
Yeah, no, I mean it might be.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
Maybe it's a way to captivate prime time. It is
such an odd thing, though, tonight have the weekend. I
hadn't ever really thought about it until you brought it up.
To not take advantage of a Saturday setting when everyone
is sitting around to wait till a Monday.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
To do it.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
But I think this is all a really of the
strategy of stretching the finals out, so as soon as
the finals in, you look up is the NBA Draft.
It's all about trying to create these tent pole events,
these events that you have to watch in, you have
to tune in. And maybe the NBA has kind of
tweaked the schedule to give itself more exposure by linkeding

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the series and making people kind of wait around for it.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
And maybe it was done because Indiana right now, the
city of Indianapolis is kind.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Of the.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Square one ground zero for basketball at least this weekend
because they had the WNBA there yesterday. Maybe that was
the reason why they had Caitlin Clark returning. They played
the New York Liberty that at the time were nine
and zero. Now they lost. They lost that game one
O two eighty eight. Clock finished with thirty two points,
eight rebounds, nine assist and title career high with seven
three pointers. And to me, this is unheard of because

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she showed no signs of rust. She was like gone,
she had that she had that look I guess thigh
injury or whatever it may have been. But still in all,
she went seven and fourteenth and three twenty five points
in the first half, most she scored in the single
half in her career. So she came back firing yesterday
in Indianapolis. So that's a pretty good thing right there.
But I got to ask you this. I mean, they

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say no Clark, no Spark, and I hate to do
this to you, but I'm going back to the TV
deal and the viewership dipped in her absence. The two
NBA TV games without Clark average three hundred and forty
three thousand. I've checked this out. That's down forty percent
from the Fever versus the Dream Game on NBA TV
back on May twentieth, when they had over a half.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
A million viewers.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Why is she such an attraction? I don't get it.
I mean, do they do this to Lebron? Do they
do this to other people? But why her? Is she
that much of an attraction? I enjoy watching the WNBA
maybe she sucked me into watching it, But is she
that big of an attraction that the ratings go up
that much when she plays?

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Yeah? She obviously is.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
I mean she came with a radio made following having
been a four year, five year star at Iowa College Basketball.
Women's College Basketball did a great job of helping her
build up her brand. You had a chance to see
her the last two years at Iowa, the final season
culminated in her reaching the finals, and those things like
you had a chance to really fall in love with

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Caitlin Clark in her game. She takes that leverages it
as she comes into the WNBA a star from Middle
America where people can identify with her, love her game,
celebrate her success as a player. And then she stays
in a midwestern town in Indiana where the fandom just
continues to grow because that's the middle of the Big

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ten country. To me, it's the perfect storm in terms
of how to build up a brand, how to set
the brand apart from everything else, and everything revolves.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
Around the brand, which is her.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
I mean, look, she has a look, a tremendous following,
and then when you add in some of the politicized stuff,
some of the racial part of it, like she's captivating
and it's unfortunate that that is a part of it,
but she is must see TV. She's that good. And
then when she comes back after her layoff and gives
you a thirty piece. It's really far. It's really easy

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to fall in love with someone who is a terrific player,
who can put the ball in the basket and also
has a little flare with the game, no.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Doubt about that. Indianapolis will be rocking and rolling right now.
It's the city downtown there. Okay, he's Bucket Brooks and
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Speaker 3 (21:03):
Have we got as Bucky in this hour yay or nay?
An hour two? Have we got the blame game? An
hour three? And Patty is back with us? Yes he is.
But one did a coach to lead a team to
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Speaker 2 (21:26):
What is this team waiting for? Well, we'll get to
that at just about a minute. These Bucky Brooks, I
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Talk about my favorite team, the New York Knicks. They're
looking for a coach and it shouldn't really be too hard.

(22:07):
It should be as hard as it is right now
because the buck there's only thirty jobs, and I've got
to believe people would love the shot, especially the coach
of New York. I mean, I think people are going
to salivate. You know, coaching to me is like being
a father Flanagan figure back back in their father Flanagan
with the boys' home in Nebraska. Well know what I
mean by that. You know, every team has a problem.

(22:30):
Every team may have a sort of a manager, a
general manager, or an owner that is kind of difficult
to work with. But everybody, every coach, thinks they're a
father Flanagan, that they could change that and turn it
around and work with that guy.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Don't you agree.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Every coach coming into a situation thinks, well, you know,
I could do it.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
You know, he didn't do it, but I think I
could do it.

Speaker 5 (22:51):
Yeah, I mean, well, you have to understand it's a
privilege to have an opportunity to be the leader of
a franchise. And no matter what we can talk about
the franchise on the outside looking in, and when you
have one of those coveted jobs, it's one that you
feel like you can do what's necessary to be a
long term member and leader of that team.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
And even though we can talk.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
About the messiness of the Knicks and talk about how
crazy the ownership is or how the lack of support
or whatever, there is always someone who, from an ego standpoint,
believes that they're the right fit. They're the right one,
they can make the changes and look that it remains
to be seen, but that's what it always is. And

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everyone who stands on the sidelines, they all have a
healthy dose of ego to believe that they can do
the impossible, they can pull off the improbable. And someone
is going to sit there and walk into imaggy and
feel like, hey, I can do this, regardless of the
circumstances to people around me, how they feel about this franchise.
I have enough to know how to be able to

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get this done. And somebody's going to take the job
and we'll see. We'll be able to evaluate them like
we've evaluated the many other coaches that have had the
opportunity to lead us franchise.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Okay, so The million dollar question is why are the
Knicks still looking Okay, that's the question right now, because
you would think it's a covided job.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
The team did rather well.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
They had fifty plus win seasons the last two years,
went to the Easton Finals.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
This year.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
You would think that boom, they gobble up a coach.
Right now, people will be salivating to coach that team.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
I think maybe they underestimated or overestimated the pool in
the allure of the New York next maybe they underestimated
how good Tom Tibodeaux was and to find someone who
has a resume that exceeds what he brought to the
table is difficult. I mean, you could talk about, oh,

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the natural thoughts that were can go get Malone and
Mike Belane from the Nuggets were gonna come and he
would take it over. But Malone like Tibbs. Yeah, Malone
is more like TIBs than not like TIBs, you know.
And then when you think about, oh, we'll just poach
another another team's player. I mean some of this is
not only New York, but New Yorkers believe that everything

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in New York is always better than everything anything somewhere else,
and they overshot know, no, unfortunately, hate to tell you that, no,
it's not. I know there's a New York bias that
that it's just out there, but there are things that
exist outside of the boroughs, and they have decided, like
I'm Udoka from Houston, Jason Kidd, they were not granted permission.

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Chris Finch from Minnesota did not give them permission to talk.
And now you're looking around at the candidate pool in
who has a better resume than Tom Thiberdau. Tom Thibodeau
took this team to the Eastern Conference finals, something that
they hadn't accomplished in a long time.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
It's not an easy job to pick up.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
Look, may maybe they can lure somebody out of retirement
to be able to do it, But there's no one
right now on the streets who has a better resume
or could do it better than what Tom Tiberdeau did.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
And I think they're coming to that realization.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
I've even heard people talk about what about Frank Vogel,
and I was like, I mean, fran Vogel won a title,
but like he's been fired two or three times since he.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
Got it done. I mean, like, that's no disrespect to him.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
But yeah, if you're gonna talk about frame Vogel like
you can make the debate that, well, if you're gonna
do that, you probably should have stayed the course that
you're on given the success that TIBs had with that roster.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
You know, it's funny. First, I wanted to get some
kudos to TIBs. The way he went out went out
really on top. He went out as a class individual.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
He took a full.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Page add out in the New York Times earlier this
week thanking the fans of New York City for his support.
I mean, that's unbelieve. That's big time money, full page
ed the New York Times. So you don't usually see
a lot of coaches doing that.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
So that was great.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Number two is the fact that what he did, what
he accomplished with that team, and really and truly I
got to believe that this was in the in the
in the works. I mean, he had to do at
least win it all to keep his job. He did
something to alienate somebody somewhere in that organization, probably either

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Leon Rose, a general manager, or maybe the ownership himself.
I don't know, because they're paying him something like thirty
million to walk away. That's unheard of. So he really
had to tick somebody off to do that.

Speaker 5 (27:14):
So that I mean to me, I think it'd be
hard to tick off. I think would be hard to
tick off his former agent, Leon Rose, to me, that
seems like an ownership deal. You know that there was
something that the owner didn't like it, and he necessarily
drove the change. Does mean because it just didn't make sense.
It just makes sense for the knew it, but they

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did it. Having it's done, look it's over. They have
to figure out a way to make it better for them.
But man, this is kind of bananas Andy when you
think about it.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
You know, and I'm handing out kudos we want to Tibbs,
but I'm handing out a kuno to Bernie Bickerstaff, the
coach of the Detroit Pistons. He's the only coach in
the NBA that stood up and said what they what
the Knicks did to Tibbs was disgusting, and I give coda.
I don't know Bernie Bickerstaff a madam. I couldn't pick
him up in a lineup, but I give him a
hug right now if I saw him. He's the only

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coach in the league that stood up and said it's disgraceful,
it was wrong, and it's really silly what the Knicks
did to Tibbs, And I thank you, Bernie Bickerstaff.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
I mean one hundred percent.

Speaker 5 (28:20):
I mean, it's crazy, it's nuts. It's just it's just
a crazy thing to see. So they shouldn't do it.
They need to. They needed to give him an opportunity
to fully do it given the success that he had.
But I mean, sometimes you just can't.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
Man.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
Sometimes the unexplainable happens when it comes to why franchises
make the decisions that they made. Because this one certainly
didn't make a lot of sense given the success that
they had.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
It's crazy. Now they as you mentioned, the Knicks had
the rejections. I don't know why these other teams rejected
the Knicks, but Dallas, Houston and Minnesota their coaching staff
is going to be intact. And I think initially, and
I said this to you early on, they wanted Jason Kidd.
Why with kid coach Jiannis in Milwaukee, and the Knicks
thought they could maybe lower Yannis to New York if
they get Jason Kidd as a coach, and that thing

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is dead right now, but the Knicks and now set
for interviews with Mike Brown, the former King's coach, and
Taylor Jenkins, the former Memphis coach. Really, I mean, come on,
I'd sooner see a college coach come in there with
aggression then then get those guys that are just well,
Mike Brown could get it done, but I don't know
if he could make it in New York.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
You know, you got to be fairly thick skinned to
make it.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
In New York really as a coach, because it's not
the coaching aspect. It's not the ex's and o's, it's
this you throughout distractions. It's the newspapers as the media.
You know, really and truly that's the problem. If you
can handle that, you're okay. I'm not so certain Mike
Brown can handle it.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
Hmm. You know, I think Mike Brown can handle it.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I think he can handle everything, every aspect of the job,
except that maybe I don't know.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
I just it's tough, you know it, it's tough.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
I think he certainly can.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
Like I think he certainly is built to Hendley, given
what he had to endure when he had to coach Lebron.
Like just thinking about all the pressure that was on
him for that. He dealt with the crazy situation in
Sacramento where I mean, much like Tip though, he got
the team up and going and then they move on
for no reason.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Yeah, I think I think he'd be okay with it.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
But the thing that I don't realize is, man, is
that gonna move the needle in New York?

Speaker 4 (30:30):
You know that?

Speaker 5 (30:30):
Is that gonna move the needle where they feel like, yeah,
we're much better off because we got Mike Brown. Is
Mike Brown the one that is the needle mover? I
don't think so well.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
And look, you talk about a guy got a bad deal.
We talked about Tims getting a bad deal. But remember
when he was coaching the Lakers. Was he fired after
five games in the second year? I mean that that's
ridiculous too. I mean he got screwed right, but he
spent what six years Golden State assistant. Then he was
coaching the Kings two two, and the Kings did make

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the playoffs that year, but they didn't get to the
players the following year, but he did win forty six games.
He was fired last year if the Kings got up
to a thirteen and eighteen start. These owners right now
equipped to pull a trigger, more so in basketball, I
think than any other sports.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
And I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
And I think that's why bicker Staff stood up and said,
wait a minute, you know, coaching staffs coaches here need
just a little more respect than they're not getting it.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
I don't know why.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
Yeah, I mean, like, look, it's a tough job right now.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
It's a tough tough job. Market. Coaches aren't respected.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
It's all about the players, and there's a lack of
accountability when it comes to players in terms of like
ownership holding players accountable for the team's performance. There's also
a lack of respect for what coaches do, and it's
unfortunate because there are a lot of good coaches who
have been dismissed or who are being dismissed over things

(31:57):
that aren't necessarily completely under controlled. And so hopefully there'll
be a market correction where you guys, we'll get more
time to enact their plan and go through their process
as they think about building a team being in the
championship team that can sustain itself.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Okay, you mentioned the word players.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
This automatically the light went on here and I saw
this the end of the day and I'm shocked again
Kevin Durant is on the trading block again. This is
a guy that averaged almost twenty seven points a game,
six boards, and four assisted game for the Phoenix Suns.
Suns didn't make the playoffs. He's one of those guys,
you know, And I'm not going to compare him to
Will Chamberlain statistically because you can't but comparing that great stats,

(32:39):
but really doesn't accomplish much because he can't get his
team to the postseason. He's thirty six years of age.
Does he Is there a market for him? I mean
there is. There's some teams looking and they have a
list and they said san Antonio maybe one of them,
maybe the Knicks as well. But at thirty six, I
guess he said, look, you look at Lebroni's forty one.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
I mean, he's still getting it done. He's superhuman.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
But why all of a sudden there's a guy like
this who's a star, a fifteen time NBA All Star,
going to be on the move again. There's something missing
there where you have a guy like that you would
want to keep being an anchor of your team.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
I don't get it.

Speaker 5 (33:17):
Oh, I mean, I mean, I don't know if there's
anything that's missing. I think some of it is. He's
kind of pulled the trigger on some of those moves
when it comes to leaving Brooklyn, going to Phoenix, look
voluntarily leaving Golden State as a free agent to go
do it.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
But you know, it's a different time.

Speaker 5 (33:37):
It's funny, right, we love when people stick and pick,
but when people bounce around, we wonder why what are
they chasing?

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Is he ring chasing? Is he chasing happiness? What is
the deal?

Speaker 5 (33:47):
Well, Kevin Durant is an older player now, and how
much can we count on him in terms of like
being the guy that can lead a franchise or take
a franchise to.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
The next level. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
I think Lebron is an outlier, very much like Tom
Brady was an outlier in the NFL and everyone namely
Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson. Uh, those guys are chasing that
trying to be a great player later in life in
the Twilight.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
That's kind of where Kevin Durant is.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
He's a great player, but I don't know if he's
going to be able to walk in, walk off in
the sunset with a championship no matter where he goes.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
He did.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
He did some ring chasing when he was in Oklahoma City,
went to Golden State. He got some heat for that,
no doubt about that.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Win.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
You got to carry it and he couldn't do it.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
Yeah, yeah, but no one can do it on their
own like that. That's also a thing that's something that
we've created on outside Andy, the myth that every super player,
every great players, John Wayne and they go through the
ok shootout and.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
They fire up and light up everybody.

Speaker 7 (34:54):
Man.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
There are not many players that have done it without
the assistance of not only a great teammates with great coaches.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
They're not many.

Speaker 5 (35:02):
Typically, it takes great players to make great coaches. And
you can also say that through your works in reverse.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Here we go once again the why I'm gonna say
wise old but the wise man, Bucky Brooks. I'm Andy
Fermerwi a Fox Sports Sunday in Fox Sports Radio as
Bucky coming up next.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
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Speaker 2 (35:31):
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Speaker 3 (35:37):
Here's Bucky Brooks.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
I'm Andy Furman, and now it is time live from
the Fox Sports Radio studios, this time for as Bucky.
All right, Patty, our executive producer, you got a question
for Buck, go right ahead.

Speaker 6 (35:48):
All right, well, I'll start us off right here, guys. So, Bucky,
here's my question to you. Earlier actually reported Ben Roethlisberger
actually talked about, you know, Aaron Rodgers going to Pittsburgh
and all that stuff. He actually said that even on
his Football In with Ben Roethlisberger podcast, that he does that.
Ben Roethlisberger does not think that Aaron Rodgers has got

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much more after this year, and it's probably gonna be
one year he probably retires. My question you, Bucky, is
do you agree to Do you think this is Rogers
actual last year?

Speaker 4 (36:20):
Yeah? I think this is it.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Man.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
Look, I know he wants to extend it. I feel
like he could have been done the last two or
three years, but this is it. This has to be
the finale, the swans. He has to walk up into
the twilight, the sunset after this year, because I can't
imagine him lifting the Stillers to higher heights. If he
doesn't get that, he doesn't get it done, they have
to move on and find a franchise quarterback, which kind.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Of leaves Aaron Rodgers out in the cold.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
There you go, okay, And speaking of quarterbacks, bucket broke.
So Dallas quarterback Dak Prescott says he needs to win
a Super Bowl for his sanity.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
What the hell does that mean?

Speaker 4 (36:55):
You know what it means?

Speaker 5 (36:56):
Like the Dallas Cowboys are the most polarizing franchise international
Football League, and every opportunity that we have to take
a shot at the Cowboys for not winning the Super
Bowl ultimately falls on Dak. Dak understands that he's a
quarterback of America's team. He knows if he doesn't get
it done, he is going to be subject to this
intense criticism.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
He knows it. Now he has to go do it
right only.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
To stick with quarterbacks. So we'll stick with the quarterbacks today.
All right?

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Is Aaron Rodgers now with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Is he
worth ten wins this season for the Steelers?

Speaker 5 (37:30):
He personally is not worth ten wins, But I think
the Steelers can get to ten because they always get
the nine to ten wins under Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
They can figure it out.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
They'll play good enough defense, They'll be able to run
the ball, and Arthur Smith can put Aaron Rodgers in
a situation to be successful given the strengths of his
game at this point of his career.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Yeah, they still can win ten.

Speaker 5 (37:51):
They're not a quote unquote serious title contender right now,
but maybe, but yeah, they can get ten as a
reasonable expectation for the Steelers.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Okay, all right, Bucket Brooks, mister Bucket Brooks, former NFL player,
What really is the purpose of football's OTAs and how
valuable really are they?

Speaker 4 (38:12):
The valuable in terms of.

Speaker 5 (38:14):
Young guys getting up to speed, young guys knowing and
beginning to learn the nuances of the playbook, the techniques
that are the coaches are asking people to utilize and performing.
But there's nothing that you can take out of OTAs
and fast forward and say, hey, this is going to
apply to the season. It's a different game. You don't
have paths on, it's not full contact. It's just different.

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But what you're hoping is that some of the habits
that you create during Ota season will translating the positive
performance when you get to the regular season.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Okay, now I understand moving to the NBA and the finals.
Right now, I'm watching the Dana Pacers. I love their defense.
I love the way they play defense, the way they
match up. So I got to ask you, how much
is Rick Carlisle, the coach of the pace, is a
factor in the success?

Speaker 4 (39:00):
So this team a lot. I mean, let's look at
how they've changed their style.

Speaker 5 (39:05):
Rin Carla is a g in terms of what he's
able to do tactically, schematically, the development of the team
and it's individual players. He is terrific. He's won a
title and he's done this before. Remember, not only did
he lead Dallas to a title, he built up the
Detroit Pistons that Larry Brown ultimately carried over the threshold.
He knows what he's doing. One of the best coaches

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that we've had in this era. He deserves the flowers
that he's receiving throughout the finals.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
And I hope he gets them right now because I
think he's somewhat underrated until coming up to the playoffs.
Right now, I mean, he's just been a coach and
people don't realize how good he is, really is history.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
Really good coach, just an excellent coach.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
We touched on this earlier, but I want to get
a definitive answer from me right now. And WNBA ratings
were down, not in the duns, but they did big
time when Caitlin Clark wasn't playing. Now that back up again,
I'm confused. I don't get it. I just don't get it.
I really don't tell me.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
You don't get it.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
She's a star. People want to see her. Wouldn't you
want to see one of the best players in the league.
So people want to see her, They're willing to come
out and check her out, and so I am not
surprised at all that she has a little star power
to her.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
Amazing.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
There we go, Thank you, Buck.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Now, help is on the rescue for one NFL quarterback
and so much more right here on Fox Sports Sunday,
coming up next. The position may be important, but one
man can't do it alone. That's coming right up. Good morning, everybody.
This is Fox Sports Sunday and Fox Sports Ready. He's

(40:35):
Bucky Brooks and Andy Ferman and we're broadcasting live from
the Fox Sports Readio studios, and of course it's Father's Day.
So to every father, every dad out there, Happy Happy
Father's Day.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Right there. And you know, Buck, we talked about this early.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
On today, about the role of a dad, what he
should do, what he has done, what he is to
the youngsters in his home. But what are you doing today?
I mean, what's on your skin for Father's Day?

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Today? I'm gonna ask you that.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
Oh, Father's Day is a light day. Get to do
whatever I want to do. After the radio show, take
a little nap, I'll have some yoga and later on
tonight the kids and I'll hook up with dinner in
those things. But it be a very light, light day,
which is just like I like it on Father's Day.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
I'm the same with you.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
I'm with you right there, same thing, and have the
kids coming over late to say, afternoon. So that's gonna
be great, no doubt about that. Nothing really planned, and
maybe that's the best way to do it. Nothing really planned.
And speaking of the term plan, I'll tell you what
this is all I hear. This is all I hear
from people behind microphones and Sports Talk Radio three does
not have a plan.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Honestly, you worked and you still work for an NFL team.
These guys have a plan, sometimes it doesn't work out.
They're not that stupid. They're not as stupid as they're
portrayed to be. Really, as a matter of fact, I'm
gonna pull the curtain back again. There's a guy on
radio that basically kind of just beats the living daylights

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out of a general manager on a team.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
I'm not going to name the team, not gonna name
the guy, and not going in the radio station.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
I wrote to that general manager because it really bugged me.
After a while, I said, you know what, when I
was a pr guy way back in the day for
the Fort Lauderdale Strikers in the North American Soccer League
and our coach was Ron Newman, hell of a coach,
had a little bit of a three game losing streak
and he was getting banged up pretty good on talk radio.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
I said, Coach, this you gotta do.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
You got to write the guy and I'll help you
write the letter. We'll mail it and say, look, I
understand you have a problem with me and my coaching,
my coaching style. Let me come down to the studio
and we'll discuss it. You know what happened. Obviously, he
never answered him, but he stopped doing that. He did
it again the following year when I was there and
the guy invited him on the air.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
They became best friends.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
That's what you gotta do, because I think behind the
microphone people get what I call like beer muscles. They
go crazy because they don't realize what's what's going on.
You gotta you gotta do something like that. So we
talk about the plan. They say, well, the Knicks don't
have a plan because they don't have a coach. Yeah,
they have a plan. They had a plan, you know what.
The plan was to hire Jason Kidd as their coach
and hopefully he'd bring Giannis to the New York Knicks.

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That's the plan. Okay, now everybody's down on the necks. Okay,
they got rid of tips.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
It was wrong.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
I think it was wrong, and we'll see what happens
who they get. But certainly there was a plan. And
now every plan that they have is being blocked because Dallas, Memphis,
or Minnesota, Golden State, all these teams are blocking them
for talking to the coach for the rever forever reason.
I don't know why. But there's a plan, don't you agree?
Teams do have a plan. They're not just doing it

(43:39):
off the off the cuff. So I can't stand when
these guys say this team didn't have a plan. They
got a plan.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
Well, I mean they may have a plan, it's not
word plan might have been loosely put together. Normally, in
these situation, particularly high profile job, like we're talking about
the Knicks, you kind of should have you ducks in
a row. When you make the move, it should be, hey,
we're gonna fire this person and within a few days,
this next person is going to be.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
The coach and they can play behind.

Speaker 5 (44:08):
Oh, we had a comprehensive search, this is the best
candidate far and wide. Uh, they don't appear to have
that done. And so now you look around, like, if
you don't fire someone to hire someone better, then what
are we doing? And I think that's where we're at
right now. Are they Are we confident enough that they're
going to hire someone better? And even regardless of who

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they hire, that's still going to exist And we won't
know until that person gets on the job, and then
we start seeing if they can take this team to
the next level.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
And I don't know. I mean, it's tough, tough, tough,
shoes to feel.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Okay, did the late George Steinberner have a plan when
he cuts on firing and rehiring Billy Martin?

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Was that a plan?

Speaker 4 (44:50):
Bring it? I knew you're gonna bring up Billy Martin.

Speaker 5 (44:52):
So maybe you can hire Tom Tippetheau back. Or maybe
he goes against Jeff van Gundy, or he brings one
of the old coaches they've had through there, Mike Woodson, anybody.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
I mean, I don't know somebody.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
But it's definitely a tough gig right now, because when
you look at the candidates or you look at the landscape,
who's the head and shoulders. Who's the candidate that's head
and shoulders above what everyone else is? Who's the candidate
that we can sit here and say today, oh, there
are a much better option than Tom Thibodau would have
been coming back this season.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Well, we don't know. I don't think the knickch no,
but there's a plan out there. I mean, obviously, I
think Jason Kidd was the number one guy on their board.
It didn't work out all right, that happens. I mean,
I don't think they knew Dallas was going to block
them from talking. That's unusual, isn't it? In sports, it's
somewhat unusual when the team has permission to talk to
a coach for hiring. They don't usually turn you down.

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Knicks would turn down three times by three different teams.

Speaker 5 (45:47):
Yeah, this is I mean something crazy, Yeah, very crazy, crazy, Dale.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Let's move on. Okay, because I'm going to say this.
When Buckie Brooks rights, we read what do I mean
by that? He writes a column every front NFL dot com.
It must read NFL dot com Bucket Brooks. So I'm
gonna kind of lead you into this. We know that
teams without a competent quarterback can't win, and they don't
win in the National Football They basically that's it. It's

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the most important position maybe in all the sports. Agreed,
I think it might be.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Okay, But as you said early on, the quarterback can't
do it alone, and many media types fail to recognize this.
In fact, when we see games previewed on television, I
always say, well, oh, the Bengals are playing the Ravens,
and what do they say. They don't say Bengals playing
the Ravens. They say it's Lamar Jackson against Joe Burrow.
It's always quarterback versus quarterback, and they one lost records

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versus one against the other. I don't think it's fair,
but that's the hype. That's what sells. That's what sells
the NFL. Maybe they should do it in the NBA finals.
They should do how Le Burton versus whatever. I don't know, GSA,
I don't know they do that. That's what sells obviously,
quarterback versus quarterback records.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Right, that's what I mean. You're there.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
I mean it's not fair, but it does.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
So it is a big sticking point because we're trying
to assign either credit or blame. Who can we celebrate
or who can we criticize. That's what we love to do.
It's an India creation. Yeah, that's what we do.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Okay, And you were small enough to write about this
at NFL dot com this week with the Jacksonville Jaguars
and their quarterback Trevor Lawrence. So it's year five for
Trevor came out with big, big ratings. Has he gotten
a haircirt yet, by the way.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
No, no, no, we got to keep the floats, the
locks flowing. It's like Sanderson, Yeah, don't want to mess
that up.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
All right, what's your assessment right now after four years
in the National Football League, Because you know, he's got
the talent, he's got the skill set, but he's been
really hurt because he's got so many different coaches that
have been coaching him over these years.

Speaker 5 (47:48):
Yeah, I mean, look, Trevor Lawrence is not ideal over
a four year period that you've had three different coaches
and the instability around him has impact the way that
he's performed. He's shown flashes of being the guy that
many visioned that he would become when he was taking
number one overall in the draft, but the inconsistencies and

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the injuries of late have led to some questions about
whether he can be the guy that ever lives up
to the fifty five million dollar contract that he's about
to start getting paid from on the extension when it
kicks in.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
Yes, look it's tough.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
Because we think got fifty million dollars quarterbacks are the
ones that have it all figured out. They should be
elite quarterbacks. But we can't call Trevor.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
Lawrence elite to this point.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
We could say that he's shown flashes, maybe he could
get there. Twenty twenty two was fantastic when they were
able to win in the postseason. But he has to
string him together and he hasn't been able to do it.
But there's some optimism down in Jacksonville over what he
could become based on the moves they made in the offseason.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Okay, fifty million dollar man. Every year he's got a
quarterback for Jacksonville. However, I think that people and they
never will do this media people is for sure on
fans as well. You have to separate the money and
what he has accomplished because I think money basically is
almost like slotted that that's the nature of the beast.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
You know, this is what quarterbacks get. That's they're going rate.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
So the fact that he's not getting you more bang
for the buck, it's not fair. But yeah, I think
that you want to get more for fifty mili. But
you know, forget about the money because that's what the
quarterbacks are making, right, I mean, Dandy Dines is making
forty MILLI in Indianapolis, right, I mean.

Speaker 5 (49:35):
What do I mean?

Speaker 4 (49:36):
Just fourteen?

Speaker 5 (49:37):
But he look NFL Comeback Player of the Year candidate
Danny Dimes should get a chance to take it over
for Anthony Richardson, and we'll have a chance to see
how good he really is. We've seen how the Giant
struggles with and without him, But no, we get a
chance to see if someone else can max out Danny Dines.
But yeah, the quarterback position, the market is the market,

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and you can't confuse what you're having to pay them
with how they want to perform because a lot of
people make the mistake and try to do that, and
you can't necessarily have the quarterback validate or justify making
that much money.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
It's just hard.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
It's hard to say that a quarterback is a fifty
million dollars quarterback because, as I told you, these quarterbacks
are not John Wayne.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
They can't do it all by themselves.

Speaker 5 (50:23):
They have to have the people and things around them
to be able to make it happen.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Okay, and you mentioned his stats over the last four years.
He ranks twenty ninth in the NFL in yards per throw,
twenty ninth in touchdowns to interception, Radio Regio, and thirty
second and past the ratings. That's not good. I mean,
is that what we're going to see with him? Or
does it get better? And more than that, how does
it get better. I know the team was twenty five

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and forty three in those four years and they reached
the playoffs just one time. But it's a hell of
an investment they've put in him. And are they happy
right now? I mean you're pretty close to the situation.
Are they happy with Trevor? Are they saying maybe he's
not the guy?

Speaker 5 (51:04):
Well, he asked to be the guy because they paid
him that he's going to be the guy. So there's
no oh, we're unhappy with him. If they were unhappy
with him, they wouldn't have paid him. Now, they certainly
want to get They want to see him at his best.
They want to see what he looks like, how he
performs when he has the opportunity to. But yeah, I

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can't say the dear not happy with who he is
in terms of the leader, the man that he is
around the building. They just want to see the performance.
You know, when you pay that kind of money, you
want to see him play like the franchise player that
everyone in the building says or believes that he can be.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
So it's time. It's time for him to get there, right.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Okay, Now you mentioned that Jacksonville has spared no expansion.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
They went to the three P theory. What's the three
P theory?

Speaker 5 (51:52):
So the three piece are that every quarterback is particularly
every young quarterback, they must have these things to thrive
in the National Football League, and so we call them
the three p's. The first pe is you got to
have the right play call. They got to have the
right coach executing the right tactics, building a quarterback friendly
scheme that plays to your strengths as a player. If
you get the X and o's right, you ask the

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player to do what he does well one and likely
he's going to perform really, really well. So that is
the first P. The second piece you got to have
the playmakers. You got to have the supporting cast around them,
the guys that can make it happen when he is
putting the ball in their hands. So, whether it's a
wide receiver, whether it's a running back, a pass catch,
whatever it is, you got to have enough playmakers around

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the quarterback to give him a chance to succeed. Because
as much as we make it about the one person,
the quarterback is dependent upon the ten other people that
are in the huddle.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
With him to be able to get it done.

Speaker 5 (52:45):
And a lot of the people that he's dependent on
are the pass catchers and the playmakers, the guys that
can take his short passes and turn them into big games,
the guys who gets the deep balls in those things.
And then the final part are the protectors. Every king
must be protected within his castle, and the way that
you protect the quarterback is making sure that you have
the best offensive line that you can put in front

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of him. Doesn't mean that everyone on that front line
is an A plus talent, but you got to make
the commitment to ensure that the king is protected. In
the pocket. If Trevor Lawrence is protected, that gives him
an opportunity to get the ball in the hands of
the playmakers.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
It also gives.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
Him an opportunity to make those X and lows from
the play caller come to life.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
It all works.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
Together, play caller, playmaker, protector. If those things are right,
then the quarterback more than likely it's gonna be right.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Okay, the king's got to be protected. Although we had
a no king parade yesterday, but the king's got to
be protected. Let's start with the play call. Okay, help
me out here. We're going with the three p's. The
first one, the play call who's the play caller in Jacksonville.
How is he going to help Trevor? What's going to happen?
What changes might we see this year?

Speaker 5 (53:50):
Well, the big thing when it comes to Liam Cohn,
who is a new head coach and offensive play caller,
so he's doing both. He's pulling off the head coach
offensive coordinator.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
It can be a very.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
Difficult thing your first job to do both, but there's
a belief that he can do it and to pull
it off. That means the other parts of the team
have to be operating at a high level. I mean,
your decordinator has to be able to do it, just
a special teams coordinator, so you can focus on running
the team, but really running the offense. And Cohen, you're
getting someone who is reared and the Sean McVay mc

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Sean McVay Tree. He watched Sean McVay take Jerry Goff
to another level. He also watched Sean McVay take Matthew
Stafford and lead the franchise to a Super Bowl win.
So he's seeing that experience two different ways, two different
Number one overall picks have success in an offensive system.
That's valuable because Trevor Lawrence was a number one overall pick.
He then took that success went to Tampa Bay, where

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he had another number one overall pick in Baker Mayfield.
Baker Mayfield had the best season statistically of his career
under Liam Cohn, while the Dama Bay Buccaneers also had
a top five rushing gamp.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
The same recipe, you put.

Speaker 5 (55:01):
It into play with Jacksonville while doing it in a
style that is really comfortable for Trevor Lawrence. So you
make sure that the axes and o's fit what he
does well. You surrounded with the playmakers that you have
on the outside, and that works for Jacksonville. That hopefully
gets them up and going and helps them have a
lot of success.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Okay, let me go back to Liam Colney. He's going
to be the head coach and the offensive coordinator in
the sense he's the play caller number one. That puts
tremendous heat on him because every news conference is going
to be you know, the head coach can't blame it
on the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
It's him.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Everything's on him offensively, right, I mean everything's on him
offensively Number one.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Number two.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
When he was hired as head coach, is that something
he demanded that he wanted to do both.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
That's what he demanded.

Speaker 5 (55:49):
But a lot of times those guys are hired because
of their prowess when it comes to building elite offenses.
So part of the conversation are part of the allure
of bringing Liam coyn on on was because he was
so good at what he did with the x's and
o's down in Tampa and the resume, the people that
he's been around that will help him continue to be

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an elite offensive mind.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
So that's a part of it.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
I'm sure ownership wants that to happen, because when you
hire somebody, you hire them for what they've done, the
strengths that they bring to the table. You certainly don't
want to new to them and say, hey, we want
to hire you, but we don't.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
Want you to use your superpowers. That doesn't make sense.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
So no, I expect him to be the play call
it because that is what made him great, that's made
him stand out from the rest of the candidates.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
All right, let's go to the second p which is
the playmakers. And I think your team they released Gabe Davis.
He was like one of their Todd guys, right, I
mean So who do they have as a playmaker right now?

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Well, I mean they released Gave Davis.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
Gabe Davis was injured and wasn't look they wanted to
move on because they wanted to have some fresh blood
in there. And so one of the things that they
did is they they elevated Brian Thomas Jr. Last year
he was a rookie, he was may arguably the best
freaking receiver in the league. So they elevate him. They

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make sure he is clearly the number one option in
the passing game. And then the other thing they've done
is they went out and made a big move, a
splashy move, made a big trade to get Travis Hunter.
So you go and get Travis Hutton to go alongside
Brian Thomas Junior. In free agency, you get to Yamy Brown,
a big play specialist from the Washington Commanders.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
And this team is faster on the perimeter.

Speaker 5 (57:27):
But they're not only faster, they're guys who expand the
strike zone because they are such good ball catchers, meaning
they have terrific handout coordination ball skills. So for Trevor Lawrence,
he now can throw the ball up in trust that
those guys are going to come down with it.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
They'll do a lot for his confidence.

Speaker 5 (57:43):
That will do a lot for his efficiency and effectiveness
from the pocket.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
I had no idea that Brian Thomas Junior, who was
a rookie last year, was the first Jacksonville player. And
I read this when you wrote this the top twelve
hundred receiving guards in the season since Alan Robinson way
back in twenty fifteen. So now Trevor has Brian Thomas
and Travis Hunter, so that that's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
It's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
One two deals, so Uh and Washington they lose Brown
and Uh they're also looking at a hold out and
another receiver, but we'll get to that later on today.
So with loo pretty good the playmakers there, let's go
to the p number three, which is the past protectors,
which basically I think is probably the most important thing.
You want to see the guy standing up right, not

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on the ground.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
You want to see you want to see the guys upright.
You don't want to see him hit, you don't want
to see him knocked around. And what they're doing.

Speaker 5 (58:36):
Is just swapping around six new faces on that offensive line. Uh,
they're trying to rotate them in trying to see who
can be the best combination of five in front of
the quarterback. And this is one that will be a
true competition when they get the camp. When you have
all of these things working, you just want to make sure, Hey,
these guys in front of the quarterback, they can't do

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it exactly the way that we want it does, so
we're going to have the kind of success that we
want to have at the point of attack.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
I want to talk to you a little about offensive
line play, which really a lot of people don't discuss,
and only they discuss it when the quarterback is on
his rear end.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
They say the offensive line stinks.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Is it the skill set individually of the offensive lineman
or is it the group that they learn how to
work together. I look at the offensive line almost like
a chain lean fence. They have to work in unison
as one. And if you have one guy not pulling
his weight, even though he may be a great skill
set guy, if he doesn't fit in with the rest
of the pack on that offensive line, ain't gonna work

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all right. So how important is the skill set as
opposed to chemistry working with each other on that line?

Speaker 5 (59:42):
Chemistry the way the way it all works together. It
is all about the way they work together. As you
talk about like a chain link fence, how they equate
it to the fingers on your hand. When the figures
on your hand are open in the individual, not a
lot of power but to open hands slap. But if

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you form them together and put them all together in
former fists, where there's a lot more power that comes
with that. That's how the offensive line works together. They
have to be able to finish each other's sentences. They
have to be able to have the kind of chemistry
and connection where the mental telepathy takes over sometimes in
games because hey, we don't say anything, but I just

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know because we played with each other for so long,
or because I just know what you need. I'm always
there for you. Yeah, that is a very important part
of the puzzle when it comes to helping your quarterback succeed.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
You got to have the right guys in front of them.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Sounds great.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
I'll tell you why you got to be excited about
Jacksonville this Year'll see what they do.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Make some noise in. Trevor's got to be excited too,
We'll see.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Yeah, I think so. I think there's a lot of excitement.

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
The buzz is different, not only with the moves that
were made, but some of the changes in the front office.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Maybe an exciting time to be a jag. We'll see
what it looks like though, when we start playing for real.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
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hear what one rookie had to say the management.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
That's next.

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roll on right here because this is a pretty bigg
Because I say to you, Bucky Brooks, history repeats itself,
especially in Cincinnati. Last year was t Higgins and Jamar
Chase holding out. This year Trey Hendrickson and rookie Shamar Stewart.

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Why what's the word around the league about the Bengals
and money.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
I'm not spending.

Speaker 5 (01:02:33):
It's not even so much not spending it the Bengals
as it relates to Shamar Stewart, they are just not
They're trying to rewrite the CBA. The Collective borgain and
Agreement has certain language inserted into every contract that you
can't mess with. And it comes to the fully guaranteed money.
And what the Cincinnati Bengals are trying to do with

(01:02:54):
Shamar Stewart they've never done this before, is they're trying
to have some language in there where if he does X,
it then not only forfeits the money for this year,
but it forfeits all the guaranteed money in his contract. Well,
Schmark Stewart, like any reasonable player, will never agree to
that because that's not what is in the collective Bargaining Agreement.

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First round picks, all of their money are guaranteed. It's guaranteed,
and the Bengals are trying to run in run around
that process and they're trying to create a different president,
which is why you have the sticking point.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
It doesn't really make sense.

Speaker 5 (01:03:29):
I don't know why Cincinnati decide to down this heel
at this moment, but this is what they're on and
this is why Schmar Stewart is not in the building,
why he didn't participate in OTA's and mini camp, because
the Bengals are trying to do something that they've never
done with any of the first round picks that they've
had before him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
So you can't blame Shamar Stuart for doing what he's doing,
because he'd be crazy to sign that contract. Because when
it comes to rookie contracts, there's really not much negotiation
because the money is there when it comes to money,
right thanks to the Collective Bargain as you mentioned, and
that agreement was way back in twenty eleven. Every draft
contract is slotted due to that rookie wage scale, which
means each player knows how much they're going to make

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as soon as they get drafted. So it's more than
money and we know that right now, so negotiating a
contract shouldn't be difficult.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
So here's the deal.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Tell me if I get this straight, this allows the
Bengals now to avoid future guarantees.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
If he were to get in trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
This could be suspension, maybe on field contact, off field
contact and arrest anything else. And the kid's twenty one
years of age, never got in trouble, never got arrested,
so obviously it's not going to happen, but you just
don't know, okay, And normally the first round pick gets
fully guaranteed for your contract. But this gives the Bengals
some I guess we'd call wiggle room to get out

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of that deal. Okay, here's the question I have. Say
he's on the field during a game and he gets
suspended for using his helmet tackling somebody. Does that mean
it's going to be avoided because he's in trouble, he'll
be suspended, right.

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
I don't know without seeing the contract of what they're negotiating,
but yeah, like he's trying to make sure that he
doesn't incur any of those any of those problems down
the line, you know, in terms of hey, I'm a
void or I'm forfeiting money because of a mistake that

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that's made off the field, whatever it is.

Speaker 7 (01:05:23):
And because already ticket ticket right, right, and because it's
already been collectively bargained, there's no reason why the Bengals
have put this language in there.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
And so it's one of those things.

Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
If he signed it, potentially he would be setting a
bad precedent for all the other players. So not only
won't Stuart sign it, the union won't let him set
They would admonish him in terms of no, no, no, no, no,
you cannot sign this deal. This deal has language that
we've already gone to the table for.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
So yeah, let's eliminate this.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Okay, let's take a list of begause. Shamar Stewart has
something to say about Bengal management. Go ahead, Schamar, we.

Speaker 8 (01:06:03):
All agree trade will be right, right, but technically still
one percent wrong for being on the contract. So in
my case, I'm a hundred is that right? So it
should be a no brainer. In trades case, I think
it should be a no brainer too. I mean, he
the seventeen a half sacks for two years back to back.

(01:06:24):
If I was the GM or I was the owner,
take all my money. But I guess they don't offer
it like that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
But okay, he continued.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
He said that the Bengals really are more concerned about
winning negotiations than winning football games. That to me, is
not going to go over well. Because Mike Brown, the
owner and the ownership team, they they don't usually lose
these struggles. They really don't. I think it's going to
be bat in the hatches right now. I don't see
the Bengals giving in. I really don't. And this guy

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Simar Stuart, who basically played he only had about what
four sacks when he played in college and he was
a first round pick. But I see him sitting out
and there's a possibility. I guess he could re enter
the draft next year if he doesn't on his contract.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Who doesn't play football at all in this year.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
I mean, I guess that could happen, But it's unlikely
to go that someone's gonna blink, someone's gonna blink. Someone's
gonna have to make this right that we can't. We
can't see this situation going like this, like this is
Banana's Like this is crazy. When it comes down to it,
they have to get this part done.

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
I don't understand why it's taking so long, but.

Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
These are the heels that both parties are willing to
die on. And for the Bengals, they don't have they
don't have anything behind them, Like I don't understand why
they're doing that, but this is where they are, so
hopefully they can get a resolve before training camp. I
would say that what they've done, though, is they've wasted
a lot of time For a player who's a developmental
player coming into the league. When you don't have a contract,

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you can't really work out because you're putting yourself at
risk if you get hurt those things. And because he
hasn't worked out with the team. He can take all
the mental reps that you want, but man, at some point,
you got to put your feet on the grass and
you got to get to work so you can develop
the habits, the skilled mastery that you need to be successful.
He hasn't done that, and everyone of the fans will

(01:08:20):
blame him if he gets off to a slow start,
but ownership is just as responsible for his potentially lack
of performance because they haven't supported him thoroughly when it
comes to, hey, let's get the deal done, let's get
him on in the building, let's get him to work.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
They haven't done it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
The two people I feel for in this whole situation
Zach Taylor, who basically may not be on the hot
seat as coach, but I think the seat's getting warm.
Got to at least make the playoffs this year. I
think the seat's getting warm for Zach. And really he
has no saying this. I mean, basically he's on the
outside looking in, keeping his fingers crossed that management does
buckle because he needs these guys, and also Joe Burrow

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and he seems to be getting tired of all these distractions.
So he was asked the other day at practice about
the Trey Hendrickson situation, and he says, is this a distraction?

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
He says with.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Two words, of course, of course it's a distraction. Okay,
last year was t and Jamar. Now it's Trey Hendrickson
and Joe. I mean, look, I mean the clock is
ticking for Joe Burrow when you think this season number six?

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
I mean, come on, So I would say this, and
maybe I'm wrong when you played the game. So you know,
tell me if I'm on the right track. No practice
for guys they've got on the field, No practice right now,
be it ota, preseason, whatever it may be, normally leads
to grind problems or muscle strains or muscle pulls. That's
my take on it, because it's a history. You don't practice,

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you're going to be sitting out during the year with
an injury.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:09:50):
Yeah, I mean, look, it's that great preparation matters, and
how you prepare yourself over to spring and summer could
have an impact on how you perform during the fall.
Not all one hund percent doesn't mean that if you
do all the right things you can be free from harm,
but it's likely that probability goes up if you haven't
been with a team, you haven't worked out in those things.
Hopefully they can get it done and he can do

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whatever you can do to be a contributor this year.
Without Trey Henderson and your number one pick, Shamar stewart Man,
your past rush is non existent.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
And we haven't even talked about this.

Speaker 5 (01:10:23):
You got a new defensive coordinator in the building, you
know what I'm saying, Like Elgod in the building.

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
Replace him in college from college.

Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
Yeah, so you got to learn a completely new defense
and all those things, and you just made it challenging
on yourself because now you're having to do all of
this in training camp and it's just hard, man, it's
hard to do all those things in training camp.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
I tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Trey Henderson right now, he's pretty strong saying he's not
going to play this year for the Bengals under his
current contract. Last year was all pro let the NFL
in sacks and he's in a contract year and he's
scheduled to make sixteen mili.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
And you know, I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
You know, you want to be paid on your performance,
and you want to be paid what other people in
your position make.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
And the team is what on an eighteen million captain?
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
But he did not attended the voluntary offseason workouts until
he gets a new deal. And he skipped a three
day mandatory mini camp last week, so he could be
fined one hundred and four thousand dollars by the team
for missing all three days if in fact he is
How does that work? They take it out of his
paycheck if he signs, or if he doesn't sign, he's

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got to write them a check.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
How does that work?

Speaker 5 (01:11:33):
They'll take it out the check. But here's the thing.
What happened during the last CBA. They eliminated the ability
to waive those fines before teams would sign the player.
They would just waive it and then you could come in.
But now the NFL is making a note where you
have to take that money.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
You have to take whatever finds are out there. You
have to do it. They think about Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
I understand his frustration because last year he wanted a
new deal.

Speaker 4 (01:11:56):
They didn't address it. What did he do?

Speaker 5 (01:11:58):
He went out and led the league in sacks, and
if you go back over the last four seasons, Trey
Henderson only ranks behind TJ. Watt and Miles Garrett and
number of sacks. So when we talk about someone who
deserves to be paid, Trey Henderson deserves to be paid, right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
But he did sign a contract, so that that's the
thing I mean, obviously he's not Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:12:21):
Okay, yeah he did. He did technically sign a contract.
But you know what teams do. Team signed players to
contracts and then oh, by the way, they cut them,
They asked them to take pay cuts.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
They do things.

Speaker 5 (01:12:35):
So if you're going to honor a contract on one side,
you need to honor it on the other side.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
And it's not always honored on each side.

Speaker 5 (01:12:41):
So we can be mad at him, but he certainly
outplayed his contract. And when you look at the landscape,
he's making sixty million dollars this year. Miles Garrett just
signed an extension that puts him at forty million dollars annually.
That's a huge discrepancy in terms of what the so
called top guys getting and the guy that I told

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you is right behind him three sacks fewer that he's
behind Miles Garrett, you got it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
Look, you got to pay a Tree Henderson.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Okay, But here's my thing. If you had Mike Brown
and the Cincinnati Bengals. So I guess they're fearful of
the fact that this may set a precedent that guys
who have a contract that outperformed the contract to have
a tremendous year become all pro whatever. They're gonna want
that contract torn up.

Speaker 6 (01:13:28):
Two.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
So it sets a bad precedent in their mind. In
their mind is that the only reason why would not
they give them the money. Why wouldn't they give them
the money.

Speaker 5 (01:13:36):
I don't know why they wouldn't give them the money
because you were rather paying Look imagine if they paid
them that at this moment, but imagined if they paid
them last year, right, they would have got them at
a discounted price.

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
It only goes up, it never comes down.

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
Yeah, And so Jamar Chase, like if you want a
whole firm on that philosophy that you talked about, Hey,
they could have waited on Jamar Chase, but they didn't,
and then they waited on t.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
Higgins and then had to open up the golfers.

Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
I just don't understand why the Bengals aren't proactive with
some of the players that they know they need to pay, Like,
let's get through this, let's have everyone in the building.
Let's make sure that the chemistry is right so we
have the best chance of maximizing our season. They're not
doing that, and I think it'd be frustrating for me
if I was a Bengals fan to sit there and
watch it every year.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
There's something they're back to be in the Bungles.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Yeah, I will say this though, I think that the
Bengals do have the leverage over Hendrickson because I don't
think he's going to sit out. I think he's gonna play.
I mean he'd be crazy to shit out right.

Speaker 5 (01:14:37):
I mean he would be crazy to sit out, Like,
I think he has to play, and you don't have
as much.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
Juice as you want to and they're look there leverage.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
I think Schman Stewart's leverage, but not Hendrixon.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
Yeah, not Henderson.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
But okay, But but here's the thing in all right,
so you win that right, so you win the battle
of Hey, we're not gonna pay you, you got to come
in here and play. You think that's gonna be positive
in the locker room. You got to disgruntle the employee.
You know, someone who's been disgrunted for two years. Do
you think that's going to be the person that like,
all right, guys, let's let's huddle up. Let's say team
for me, like team on three you want two? You

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think that person's gonna be enthusiastic about the team that
he's going to convey the kind of leadership that you want.
He's gonna play as hard as he can for you,
knowing that, hey, I'm gonna give up the team because
the team gives them me. Nah, it doesn't work like that.
So they're winning the battle, but they're going to lose
the war because they're not taking care of their players.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Really, all right, Bucket Brooks, Andy Ferman, Fox Bus Sunday
on Fox that's ready, all right, two options and here
they are, yay on ay and you know what the
next yay and a coming right up. Yeah, it's a
family affair. It certainly is. It's to see I know,
I know. All right, Fox Sports Sunday on Fox Sports.
Ready as Bucket Brooks and Andy Freman, We're live from

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the Fox Sports Radio studios.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
Time for yay on nay, here we go. Okay, let's
figure rock those brains shut up.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
These stories needed us.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
I think we need a ruling on this.

Speaker 6 (01:16:04):
Yay or nay.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Yes, it is Patty, our executive producer. You got one
for us, buddy.

Speaker 6 (01:16:10):
Oh, I do got one for us, Andy, And you're
not gonna like the one that I just picked for
you guys right now, because well it's gonna go against
your New York Knicks. So with that said, with this one, guys,
the New York Knicks are going to hire a very
underwhelming head coach yay or nay, Andy Ferman, because I'm

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going yay.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
I'm going ya.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Also, because Timbs was my guy seven years, two fifty
win seasons, take up to the East Finals for the
first time in twenty five years. I'll tell you what
the next guy in line would have been, Red Holtzman.
I take Red Holtzman's corpse of the before anybody else there.
You go go ahead, Buck, I'd say no.

Speaker 5 (01:16:50):
I think they're gonna hire someone that exeeds Thibodeaux because
they're forced to given all the backlash and virtue all
that has been I supposed at the New York Knicks.
Dola's gonna find somebody that is going to win the
presser and it's going to make people be like, oh,
I see the ingenuity behind the next decision.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
It's gonna be a big name.

Speaker 5 (01:17:10):
We don't know who their name is, but a big
name is going to be in New York on the sideline.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Maybe read out of that. Yeah, maybe Phil Jackson big.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Oh yeah, I feel that idea. Maybe he'll come back.
All right, Patty, what's up?

Speaker 6 (01:17:23):
Well, guys, we're in the NBA, and so NBA playoffs
are now in mid June. But honestly, let's talk MLB.
Is there season too long? Yay or nay?

Speaker 5 (01:17:32):
Bucky Brooks, Yes, it's too long because we don't even
can't even realize that baseball.

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
Is going on right now.

Speaker 5 (01:17:38):
Like I mean, I know the Dodgers in first place,
that's all I care about. But yeah, I mean, like
it doesn't get going into August. No one's really paying
attention into August. Yes, a little too long. They got
to figure got a way to make it more exciting.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Sure not, I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Yay, it's too long because you can't concentrate on one. You know,
every sport now has their own fans there's no out.
The sports are overlapping, so you can't be an overlapping fan.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
You have to zoom into one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Like I'd love to follow the hockey playoffs a little better,
I can't. Okay, my wife does that for me because
she's Canadian and she's already Fadminton.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
So that's it, all right, guys.

Speaker 6 (01:18:14):
Well, is Father's Day the very best day of the
year for all the dads? Can you name a better day?
Yay or nay? Andy Furman, It's the best day.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
Of the year.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
You know why.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
I don't have to spend any money to buy gifts
for anybody. I just sit on my rear end all
day long. I love Father's Day.

Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
His Father's Day the best day for dads.

Speaker 5 (01:18:37):
I must say no, And I'm gonna say this using
college football is my analogy.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
I think New Year's Day.

Speaker 5 (01:18:43):
Is probably a better day if you go back and
you think about all the times when we grow, all
the bowl games, all the football that is on, all
the festivities. I kind of think that New Year offers
a better day for dads because I get a chance
to sit around and watch and watch ball all day.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
Snows us I like them.

Speaker 6 (01:19:03):
Well, I got we may have snow in that time,
but I tell you what we don't have here. Trey
Hendrickson a now holdout for the Bengals. Did they bag
the entire season? Yay or nay? Bucky Brooks, I.

Speaker 5 (01:19:17):
Mean, look, they are bagging it because they keep messing
up the contract stuff. Officially, they'll be good, but their
problem wasn't offense, it was defense and two of their
better players Wilburd proposing Stuart would be one of the
better players.

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
They're not a camp, they haven't been around, they're just gone.

Speaker 5 (01:19:33):
So yeah, bagged the season for the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Yeah, I gotta believe that they'll beg the season. But
I don't think Trey Hendrickson's going to bag the season.
I think if he doesn't play this year, he needs
to see a psychiatrist, you know, to turn down sixteen mil.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Really, I mean, come on, but a lot of meals.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
So I think the Bengals will bag the season if
they don't sign him, and the fans will bag them too.

Speaker 6 (01:19:54):
All right, Final one here, guys. The Savannah Bananas were
in Cincinnati this weekend. Should the MLB take them page
out of their script book? Final?

Speaker 5 (01:20:03):
Yay?

Speaker 6 (01:20:03):
Or nay, Andy nay.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
I may come on.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
It's great, it's comedy, it's theatrics, it's good script.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
But you can't see it every night, can't do it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
I mean I like him. They kind of a globe trotters.
Keep him going.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
All right, Loogo got married? That's next on Fox.

Speaker 6 (01:20:20):
Stay here, keep it here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Oh does this quarterback really have a future? That's coming
right off? Good morning everybody. Happy Father's Day to one
and old dads. Really he's Bucky Brooks, he's a great dad.
I'm Andy Freman, and we are here to entertain and
inform you for at least this one hour. And we're
broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
And you know I would say this, I gotta challenge you,
Bucky Brooks and challenging you right now because we did
the yay or nay, and we said, is Father's Day
the best day of the year for dads? And I
said it was? You said it was New Year's Day.
I need for you to expound on that. Because Father's
Day you do whatever you want because you're permitted to

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do whatever you want. You're told by your family members,
your wife, you spouse, your kids, it's your day, dad,
do what you want to do on New Year's Day? Yeah,
you got the Bowl games to watch. But you know,
by the way, could you take the trash out? By
the way, I need to get some groceries, right, I mean,
come on, it's different, Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
So we talked about the very first segment. Is there
a NBA game on today? No? Is there a football
game on today? No?

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:21:30):
Is there a hockey match on today?

Speaker 6 (01:21:32):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:21:33):
I'm relegated to just watching baseball. And I'm a baseball fan,
but that's not ideal on my day when I think
about New Year's Day, Like, what's the hard part for
dads on New Year's Day?

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
Nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:21:44):
You've already gone past Christmas or Hanuka, the holidays, those
are done, so you don't have to worry about gifts
or anything like that. Like what did we really do
on New Year's Eve? So you party New Year's Eve
and then you're recovering all day New Year's Day. So
with all the games being on, you have your choice
typically of college and pro games on. You don't have

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any real obligations, like you don't have to go see
like families everywhere, Like you're at the house it's the
same thing, but in a better sport in terms of
better opportunity for watching sports, because not only can you
watch college you can watch NBA. You may even get
some other stuff on to tickle your fancy, like college basketball.

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You just have more options when it's New Year's Day
as opposed to what it is when they kind of
lump us and then whenever they can fit us in
the middle of June.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
So you're saying that Father's Day would be better if,
in fact, there was an NBA game on.

Speaker 5 (01:22:38):
Today, I mean anything, I mean, it's something to watch,
Like what are we watching?

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
I mean golfers on the US Open, but there's nothing on.

Speaker 5 (01:22:47):
So somebody dropped the ball there where they went Father's
Day and then put a major I mean, someone say
golf is a major event, but they didn't put another
notable sport.

Speaker 4 (01:22:57):
It's just weird.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
You know, last night I was channel surfing and I
couldn't believe what I saw they had on the Four
Letter Network pillow fighting?

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
Pillow fighting? Has it come to that really.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
That I've seen those pillow fights.

Speaker 5 (01:23:11):
They're they're kind of intense, the handles they knock people
down and around.

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
Yeah, I mean, but evidently.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
People betting on that their odds on that too.

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
Everybody else. That's that's why it'sa on TV. It has
to be it has to be something unbelievably.

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
Really, I think that you hit on something.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
And maybe they should move Father's Day to like New
Year's Day for that, you know, they should they poll
dads what they really want for Father's Day, not in
the middle of June. You know, when there's a big
sports day, right, maybe the first day of the NFL
season that should be Father's Day. Well that's usually on
a Thursday, now Sunday.

Speaker 9 (01:23:45):
Maybe they should. Maybe they should kind of move there.
Let's start working around good. Let's talk about marriage. And
he's married right now, I guess they say Aaron Rodgers
is officially a married man.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
It's amazing. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
During the first press conference with the Steelers the other day,
I think it was Tuesday, he said that he got
married during the off season.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
Here's my question.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Okay, the big gas bag, the big mouth, Pat McAfee,
his buddy who's on his show. How come Aaron didn't
announce it on his show if they're so tight, you
know why? Because Pat didn't pay him to announce it.
He was getting paid to be on that show, right,
you would think, Look, if he was so tight, But
if I had something big.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Going on, I mean, I'm not in the Aaron Rodgers league.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
I never will be. Maybe something I didn't know, but
I don't whatever it may be. And I was on
the radio with you, I would tell you I would, okay,
and I'm sure you feel the same way. But maybe
he didn't. Maybe he's like, he's a guest. He's Pat
McAfee's guest. He couldn't tell McAfee that that he got married.
Come on, I bet McAfee wasn't even be invited to
the wedding.

Speaker 4 (01:24:49):
He just wanted to be private.

Speaker 5 (01:24:50):
Little privacy, little privacy, that's all you wanted, look privacy.
So he didn't. He didn't share. We don't know, No
one knows, mystery woman so figured it out knowing.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
No, he got married.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Okay, now that he's married, maybe he'll be a papa
suit and he'll celebrate Father's Day soon too.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
All right, Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 4 (01:25:07):
You get a chance to do it all.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
All right, So we're talking to Aaron Rodgers. He got
married and he announced it the media, and he's off
the market. He's off the market in more ways than
one because he was obviously being courted, I guess by
the Giants. But now the Steelers get him. Okay, I
got to get some questions answered here, some questions at
forty one years of age, does he or can he

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or how much stability does he bring to the quarterback
position in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 5 (01:25:36):
Look, he brings a lot of stability to the position.
I don't know if he's that much more of an
upgrade over Russell Wilson and what he brought, but yeah,
I mean he gives them a stability because he's a
he's an experienced player, he's a vet. He's had a
lot of success, four time MVP, super Bowl Champ, all
those things. Now, he hasn't had a great playoff run

(01:25:58):
of late, but neither had the Stealers. So they look
with someone that can spark them, ignite them, to help
them get over the top.

Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
He might be good enough to do that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:06):
He can't do everything, but if you can do some
things that help him, less is more in this situation.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
See here's the question I have. I mean, everybody has
a different answer to the same question. I say that
how can he bring stability if he's probably only going
to be there for a year. But they don't say
anything at all about stability in Cleveland with Joe Flacco,
and he's the same age. You can't build for the future,
I don't think with a forty one year old quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
So what kind of stability is that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:36):
You can't build for the future in that situation. But
you can't build a bridge. He can build a bridge.
So you can get the young guys up and going.
You can have him model the behavior, show them, teach
them the way while getting them back into the postseason,
and then have someone pick up the baton from there.
That would be a perfect scenario for the Pittsburgh Steellers.

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
But yeah, we'll see. But honestly, it's a year to
year league.

Speaker 5 (01:27:00):
You can't even really spend a lot of time looking
too far in advance because the lead changes too many flips,
too many transactions to say that, hey, we do this,
it's gonna be like this next year. You just got
to play out the hand that you got. This is
much like a poker game. Ooh ooh, I don't like
my cars. Oh, well, figured it out.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
I figured a way to make it happen, all right, now,
I'm concerned about the relationship between the coach, Mike Tomlin
and Aaron Rodgers. Right now, they have some sort of
a romance going on. I guess he was at a
barbecue that Tomlin threw the other day and they love
each other, love e W.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
Right now, we'll see what happens after the first game.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
We'll see what happens if they go oh one three, Okay,
that's down the road.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
Remains to be seen.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
But neither one of them has appeared in the Super
Bowl since the twenty ten season. And by the way,
in twenty ten, there was Rogers who was playing for
the Green Bay Packers. He got the better of Mike Tomlin.
They were playing for the steelers'll steal his Packers back
in twenty ten. So we'll see what happens right now,
because they both really truly want that other ring. I

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don't think it's going to happen in Pittsburgh this year,
but certainly, you know, Aaron Rodgers wants to go out
talking about his legacy. He wants to do what Tom
Brady did and Tampa, when Tom Brady called it quitch,
he walked out on top.

Speaker 5 (01:28:16):
Everybody wants to go that's a Hollywood I mean, that's
a Hollywood ending right there, right to walk off in
the sunset with a title in hand. We saw Peyton
Manning do it, even though some would say they did
it in spite of him and his lack of efforts.
But looky he walked off. Tom Brady's been able to
do it. Aaron Rodgers becomes the next to do it.
To think about it, if you're gonna be next, you

(01:28:38):
have to be able to join a team that has
all the pieces in place to be able to thrive
in flourish, and then you have to hope that the
chemistry and connectivity happens right away. That bond between all
the pass catches and those things has to be real.
And if they do that, then they gives them a
chance to get better on the field, to get to
gain the trust of the quarterback, and then ultimately the

(01:29:00):
quarterback has to trust each individual so he can I'm
fired the ball in the spot.

Speaker 4 (01:29:04):
I know my guy's gonna get it.

Speaker 5 (01:29:05):
If they get to that point, maybe, just maybe they're
dangerous enough to make some noise.

Speaker 6 (01:29:11):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
It's funny because everything that I've been reading said that
as far as Rogers was concerned. He was about a
good a veteran as Tomlin could have hoped to get.
My question is this, I don't think Mike Tomlin, if
you were to get him in a room one on one,
I don't think he was really that happy at getting him.
I don't think we read that much about Mike Tomlin

(01:29:32):
raithing for Aaron Rodgers, right. I think it was Rooney.
It was Rooney the second who basically was the one
going public saying he's going to get him, he wants him,
that that was his deal. I don't think Mike Tomlin
really was too keen. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think
he was too keen on Aaron Rodgers. Will never find
that out. I don't think Mike Tomlin will ever say
anything like that.

Speaker 5 (01:29:54):
Yeah, I would say that it doesn't really matter. All
that is water under bridge. I think the main thing
is what is their relationship now?

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
Now? How can they build it out going forward?

Speaker 5 (01:30:05):
So whatever they had to say, they saw each other
the barbecue, Hopefully they had those things out and they
came away saying hey, after the day like we're good.

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
And if they do that then they have a chance.

Speaker 5 (01:30:14):
But you talk about two people talk about I can't
even imagine their pr staff. Just the polarization of both players,
just NonStop.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
It's really amazing. Now here's the deal. I have more
questions for you. Are you ready?

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
I got a couple of more questions for you. I
want to know what went wrong with the Russell Wilson experiment.
What went wrong then? Why couldn't they keep Russell Wilson?

Speaker 5 (01:30:41):
I don't know, man, Look, I don't know what went
wrong like that. They's unfortunately lost their last five games
in a row. Russell didn't play like great. He wasn't terrible.
They didn't lose because of him, because they just couldn't
offensively score enough points. That falls on everybody played, call quarterback,
pass catchers, platemakers, protectors, all of that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:04):
Everyone has to do a better job. So that's the
main deal.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Okay, next, Okay, DK Metcalf right now, he's a Pittsburgh Steeler.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
How long is it going to.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Be until DK met laugh Metcalf pointing fingers at Aaron Rodgers.
Metcalf is an outside deep threat right there. I'm not
so certain that he and UH and Aaron Rodgers are
going to mix. Maybe I'm wrong. I just have a
feeling that there's going to be problems with DK and
Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 4 (01:31:34):
Uh, maybe it depends on who says to tone early.

Speaker 5 (01:31:38):
And Rogers has the ball, so ultimately he gets to
set the tone. He gets to demand a little more
from DK in terms of where to be. Hey, you
want to get the ball. You got to be at
this fight. You don't get this fight, you don't get
a treaty. So that's he determined. Uh, the pecking order,
DK metcalf can he can talk about it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:58):
He can't do anything because he knows quarterback has a rock.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
My next question is what does DK stand for?

Speaker 4 (01:32:05):
M dat I don't then I have no idea. All right,
we move on.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
Let's talk about Mason Rudolph. Here's a guy basically was
a stealer. He was a stealer starter in and out
of times for six years. He was roll his role
this year before Aaron Rodgers. He was going to be
QB one right and as a stealer, starter, spots starter
in those six years he was eight four and one.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
What does this do for Mason Rudolph? Right now?

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
I love Mason. I followed him at Oklahoma State. I
thought he'd be a top quarterback. Not maybe not a
game changer, maybe not an elite quarterback, but at least
a serviceable quarterback in the National Football League. It seems
to me he can't catch a break, but really, truly,
he's one injury away. He's an injury away. Do you
think about it?

Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
Yeah, I mean, like, so much of being successful in
the league is being around long enough that you do
catch a break and you finally get your chance. The
thing he is knowing can tell you when that's gonna happen,
so you'll always have to stay ready, which is actu mentally,
but it's just part of the deal.

Speaker 4 (01:33:06):
Yeah, I mean, like it's it's tough. It's tough to.

Speaker 5 (01:33:10):
Get everything that you want when you wanted, how you
want to deliver. So you hope that you're lucky enough
to get that chance, and you don't want it to
be at someone else's expense. But however you get it,
when you get it, you got to take advantage of it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:22):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
Let's talk about Author Smith, the guy who closed the
plays right. He usually works best when he has a run,
heavy attack, play action right. Athletic quarterback obviously, Aaron Rodgers
no longer is what you call an athletic quarterback. Does
he have to change his scheme? What's the deal with
Arthur Smith? Is he real happy with this? And what
happens he has to change the playbook around?

Speaker 5 (01:33:45):
Well, yes, to certainly put some pages in and take
some pages off to some things that I'm workingducer to
his own set of seals. But man, it's such a
tough and unique deal. You just got to do the
best that you can try and figure it out, trying
and put yourself in a position to be the player,

(01:34:06):
be the team that you wanted to be at the
end of the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
It's tough, though, okay for the uninformed like me, for
the stupid people, And there's a lot of stupid people
out there. On one of them tell me, I've never
seen a playbook because it's like gold. You can't get
when I mean, players get fine when they lose playbooks,
don't they You just can't lose. You have to have it,
should attach it to your body like a tattoo.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
How big is it? What is it like? And do
they get quizzed on it?

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
To tell me a typical playbook, you know, a brief
synopsis of what a playbook is.

Speaker 5 (01:34:39):
Changed because the playbook now would be the iPad that
is around you. You know, the iPad, everything you can
get in download, look at all you tape all of that,
and upon being released from the team, you have to
turn that stuff back in because it's.

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
Valuable insight and information. It is al Let me.

Speaker 5 (01:35:00):
Talk about maybe three hundred pages, a lot of accident holes.
You go through everything, rules, regulations, expectations, standards, how we stretch,
how we.

Speaker 4 (01:35:08):
Get down, what do we look like, do we want
to run on and.

Speaker 5 (01:35:11):
Off the field. What are the things that we're passionate about. Okay,
then here's the scheme. Here's the scheme. Let me thumb
through the pages and you have everything you first down,
we go from a defensive standpoint. You get your first down,
second out, blitz calls, fronts and coverages.

Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
Third down is a unique deal, all of them.

Speaker 5 (01:35:28):
So I'm very much like little And then you have
all the things at the back in terms of if
you have to put notes down or if someone said
anything to you you wanted to note, all of those
things do there. So it's yeah, it's a lot different
than people would think. The job is a job, and
a lot of people don't see it as that but
the job is a job.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
Okay, you work for the Jacksonville franchise. Do you get
a copy of the playbook?

Speaker 6 (01:35:52):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
I do not. I do not. I wish I would
help me expand my mind. I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:35:57):
I don't get a copy of the playbook. I can
look at tapes just like everybody else. But yeah, no
special privileges when it comes to that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
So so who In other words, if there's a fifty
three man roster, the fifty three players get a playbook,
and the coaching staff gets it, and that's it. The
equipment guide doesn't get it. No one else gets it.

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
Just them, nobody, nobody else gets it. Those guys get it.

Speaker 5 (01:36:18):
They get a smaller version, a version that's been shrunk
down and small that you can kind of refer to.
But yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no breaks, no
sacred cows.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
Okay, last, but not least. Okay, But this is something
I want to know if if a person's released or
trade it to one team and another, especially if it's
on an IPID, you could make a copy of it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
Did take it to another team with them?

Speaker 5 (01:36:40):
We've seen No no, no, no, no, no, no, that's
no that that's done though, yeah, you gotta, you gotta
turn all this stuff back in.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
Because you could make a copy if your ipick.

Speaker 5 (01:36:50):
I mean, look, I will say that maybe word on
the street nineteen ninety five, ninety six, when I got
to a team in Green Bay and it was my
first opportunity to play in the westco offense, I might
have stayed up late at night making copies, doing things
to make sure that I had the playbook, maybe just
so I can have it, just to say that I
have it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:09):
But yeah, I mean, like those things are valuable.

Speaker 5 (01:37:12):
So now you try not to let them too many
people get their hands on it, and you definitely don't
want the outside world to get their hands on it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
Okay, I'm glad you cleaned that up because I was
always confused that the playbook it's like a Bible.

Speaker 4 (01:37:23):
I guess really, I mean it is thick. It doesn't
need to be that thick if you're not going to
utilize all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
All right, let's talk about Aaron Rodgers one last time.
He has lost twenty This is amazing. Really, he has
lost twenty two of his last thirty six regular season starts.
He's had three defeats in his last four postseason games.
As far as Mike Thomains concerned, he's never had a
losing season in eighteen years. Can these two guys mix?
I mean Aaron Rodgers right now, you know he has

(01:37:52):
I would say this, he has some decent stats.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
Last year.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
I looked at the stats. They're almost a mirror image
of Josh Allen, really, but except they have more I
iNTS and the percentage wasn't as high. But other than that,
it was somewhat similar. And he flew for a lot
of oddage. But can he get it done with Mike Thomlin.
I mean, this is a different thing now, would as
far as Mike Thomas.

Speaker 5 (01:38:13):
Concerned, Yes, the different things a different thing for everyone involved.
The expectations, the standards of performance. The number one thing
that they have to have is Mike Tomlin and Aaron
Rodgers have to have a partnership and agreement that they're
gonna respect one another in the press, not gonna do
anything that go sneak this people out, that they're gonna
be very supportive of what's going on front facing. But

(01:38:36):
then I think you have to make sure that you
have a real conversation with Rogers about expectations, standards, those things.

Speaker 4 (01:38:44):
Here's what we expect, here's what you keep it real.

Speaker 5 (01:38:46):
You want to say true to us, you do these things,
We're good and you give o.

Speaker 4 (01:38:51):
Us of things that you want done. Here were fine.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
I tell you what. Believe it or not. I will
tell you this. There's a lot of pressure Rogers. Why.
I think that the Pittsburgh fans expect a certain way
of playing, a certain status, so to speak. And the
last time the Steelers played against them and saw Aaron
Rodgers in person, I think it was last October, and

(01:39:17):
he was picked off twice and they lost thirty seven
to fifteen. All right, So people are probably scratching their
head in Pittsburgh saying, why do we want this guy?
I think he's coming in with a couple of strikes
against him. He's got to prove himself. It's hard to
believe that a forty one year old guy who probably
will very well more likely be a first ballot Hall
of Famer has to prove himself to these fans in Pittsburgh.

(01:39:39):
But they lived to a higher standard. And you know,
we remember what we see last and it wasn't pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
It was ugly. The last time he was in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 5 (01:39:47):
Yeah, no, it wasn't pretty. So that's why he has
to play and play really well. They have a high
standard in Pittsburgh because they are franchise that is won
numerous Super Bowls and everything they do is they compare
it back to the glory days of the Steel Curtain
and Terry Bradshaw and Laan Swan and on Starwarths and
all those guys, and then the defensive standards that were

(01:40:08):
created with Lambert and Ham and Me and Joe Green
and all that. That's miss Pittsburgh is still stuck in
that place. So you know, everyone who takes the job's
gonna have to show them that you know how to
win there with all of this stuff to surround you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
You know, I'll ask you, is you played for a
team that had that kind of a heritage so to
speak in Green Bay? When you walk into the locker
room in Green Bay, do they have the past players
and all the pride and does a do something to
do as a player or you can care less?

Speaker 5 (01:40:39):
I would say that depending on when when, if you
talk about preseason, it's gonna be a lot of care
to it. But there'd be some people that are proferable
that look it does mean a lot to them because
they got to let go from those situations and it
just trickles up, like the frustration about it all, like
it only goes up, it only escalates. But yeah, obviously

(01:41:01):
make them be the person that they want him to be.
Aaron Rodser is going to have to kind of like
I won't say bow down, but he's certainly going to
have to be humble enough to listen to what Mike
Thomas putting out there.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
All right, we'll see you time will tell them. Will
be a heck of a storyline. But right now, it's
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Speaker 6 (01:41:25):
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Speaker 5 (01:41:28):
What an individual effort for Brad Marshan and the Panthers have.

Speaker 4 (01:41:32):
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blame game up in about twelve minutes from now, So
let's roll on. Okay, Bucky, guess who's talking right now.
You wouldn't believe her. It's Kirk Cousins. Kurt Cousins is
talking right now his future with the Atlanta Falcons, and

(01:43:13):
he said he did it on Tuesday with the first
day of the mandatory mini camp. He's going to be
in his second year of a four year, one hundred
and eighty million dollar contract, and he wanted a trade
earlier this offseason. He lost the starting job to a
rookie at last year, Michael Pennix Junior, during the final
three weeks of the season last year. And now basically

(01:43:34):
he knows he's going to be relegated as a backup
as a backup, so I guess he knows his place,
although there's a chance he could get traded, especially maybe
if one of the teams of the other thirty one
teams maybe stuff as a season ending injury to their
starting quarterback. So there's a shot that he could not
be with the Falcons, But as of now, it looks
like he's going to be perhaps the most expensive backup

(01:43:56):
and maybe the best backup in the NFL right now.

Speaker 5 (01:44:00):
Yeah, I mean looks the writing's on the wall for
him because he's guaranteed a lot of money. He's guaranteed
over thirty seven million dollars over the next two years.
That money is going to him regards to whether he
plays or not. The Atlanta foul because it made the
decision to if we're gonna pay him out, we might
as well have him on the roster in case either
something happens to another team in injury in training camp

(01:44:22):
or on the performance, or we have an injury on
our team, we will make sure we have a high
end backup that's.

Speaker 4 (01:44:29):
Able to start games.

Speaker 5 (01:44:30):
The thing about Kirk Cousins is last year eighteen touchdown,
sixteen interceptions, but final five stars that he had he
only had one touchdown, nine interceptions, one touchdown nine interceptions,
So it wasn't trending in the right direction. And maybe
after being such a hot name on the trade market,
maybe some executives really started looking at the tape and

(01:44:53):
started saying.

Speaker 4 (01:44:54):
No way, we're good, we do this with.

Speaker 5 (01:44:58):
What we have, We're not going to overpay for someone
who's only gonna bring about middling production.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
You would think that the Atlanta Falcons would rather not
pay a backup quarterback like Kirk Cousins money that a
starter would normally get. Kirk Cousins, they say, according to
published reports, he's due twenty seven point five million dollars
guaranteed this year to be a backup.

Speaker 3 (01:45:22):
Not bad.

Speaker 5 (01:45:23):
Yeah, twenty seven da guaranteed this year, then another ten
million next year as a roster bonus.

Speaker 4 (01:45:29):
Early in the year.

Speaker 5 (01:45:30):
So you're talking about thirty eight million dollars he's guaranteed. Yeah,
it ain't a whole lot of hard work. Then I'm
getting into it this one.

Speaker 3 (01:45:38):
Hold that clipboard.

Speaker 4 (01:45:40):
Yeah yeah, I mean things are great.

Speaker 5 (01:45:42):
If they have a good relationship, it can be very
very positive. The only reason why is tricky is because
the Falcons signed him first, and they signed him to
that blockbuster deal. They don't do that, then we don't
have nearly as much conversation about this.

Speaker 3 (01:45:56):
Yeah, there's a lot of questions.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
I just going down to the front overs to the
Falcons just look, rather not pay him a start of
salary and then again go back to cousins. He'd rather
not be a backup. So there's two things that play
right here. But you know, it all depends if someone
gets hurt and they can unload him with that contract.

Speaker 3 (01:46:13):
I think they definitely would unload him. But there's a bigger.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
Question, and I don't think people are even discussing it.
The bigger question is Michael Pennick Junior. I don't think
there's any guarantee that he becomes a starter or not
a starter, but but a start Atlanta. You know, the
final of three weeks of last season, he finished with
a fifty eight percent completion percentage and he threw as
many interceptions as touchdowns three and three. I know he's

(01:46:37):
got a lack of experience, but what do you see
in Michael Pennix Junior. He's not going to be maybe
the guy they thought he'd be.

Speaker 5 (01:46:45):
Oh, I think everyone's all wrong on that. If they're
taking that angle, I think he has the potential to
be a star. This dude is a big time flamethrower.
He's about exactly as they come. When he came to
pushing the ball down the field and watching him at
you'd after getting a chance to see him Indiana, completely
different player at the end of his run, confidence, swag,
gun slinging ability, he had all of that. But now

(01:47:07):
from an IQ standpoint, he can anticipate what is going
to happen and he can act appropriately in terms of
like countering the tactics that the defense is throwing at him.

Speaker 4 (01:47:17):
This dude has big time armtail.

Speaker 5 (01:47:19):
I had a chance to see him before the game
last preseason. The Jaguars were playing the Falcons, and the
Falcons didn't play the starters in the game, but they
worked them all out before the game, and watching him
throw with the ones, it was eye opening in terms
of how talented he is. He just needs the experience,
but the talent is there where he could. You could
see him pop in a major way in this offense.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
That's good enough for me. If I hear it out
of Bucket Brooks's mouth, that's good enough for me. He's
going to be a star in the National Football League.
You know, give him the three p's though. He needs
the three piece. He gets those good shit you.

Speaker 5 (01:47:52):
Gotta get, yeah, play call the playmaker and pass protectors.

Speaker 4 (01:47:55):
You got to have those guys.

Speaker 3 (01:47:56):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Okay, So the mini camps kicked off in the NFL
this past week, and a lot of those big names
in the National Football League were no shows, all right,
so they'll probably get fun whatever it may be. And TJ.
Watt didn't show. We mentioned Troy Hendrickson, he didn't show.
But there's a big hold out right now, and this
guy's got big time leverage and I think he's going

(01:48:17):
to get what he wants. The wide receiver of the
Washington command is Terry McLaurin. I mean, this guy didn't
show up and one of the I guess we could say,
one of the steadiest pass catchers in the National Football League.
He was an old pro for the first time last year,
his fifth straight season with at least one thousand yards
and seventy five catches, and he led to the offense

(01:48:38):
for Washington. You got to believe Jayden Daniels's crying for
this guy to be signed.

Speaker 5 (01:48:44):
Hundred percent, like he has to be signed. His dude
is terrific. They go and get Deebo Samon, which I
understood they got him. Need another playmaker out there. But
making no mistake, who's the person that butters the brid
in Washington. That's Terry mclauren. But a guy who is look,
I think he has the six most catches right up

(01:49:06):
there with touchdowns, ridiculous production that he's put up during
his time. And the thing that is the sticking point
that everyone is going to hold firm on is he's
thirty years old, and so when you're thirty years old,
people are less likely.

Speaker 4 (01:49:21):
To want to pay him. And here is the rub
that you have.

Speaker 5 (01:49:25):
So Terry McLaurin, he's making fifteen million dollars in twenty
twenty five. Dk Metcalf just signed a five year, one
hundred and fifty million dollars.

Speaker 4 (01:49:35):
He's twenty eight years old.

Speaker 5 (01:49:37):
Mike Evans and DeVante Adams both signed deals that put
them two years, forty one forty four million. So there's
a huge disparity between the number that he wants and
the age. Dk Metcalf being twenty eight, Mike Evans being
thirty but playing ten years, DeVante Adams being thirty two
to thirty three, he's going to have to fall somewhere

(01:49:59):
near at caph and those guys just because of the
age and that factor.

Speaker 4 (01:50:03):
But this should be one that they should work out.
They need him. He's a model citizen.

Speaker 5 (01:50:08):
He had to kiss he had to open their eyes
by not going to Minichamp. I think something gets done
it before training camp.

Speaker 3 (01:50:13):
It amazes me.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
Okay, he's making twenty three point two million, okay, and
he was a bit risk.

Speaker 4 (01:50:22):
Yeah this cap wise, but cash in hand, it's only
fifteen only fifteen million.

Speaker 3 (01:50:28):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
But if you look at the top fifteen, top fifteen
paid wide receivers in the National Football League, he's outside
of the top fifteen, which is unbelievable. The numbers that
he put up and he's not in the top fifteen.
That's crazy, isn't it top fifteen?

Speaker 5 (01:50:45):
Yeah, that is crazy. I mean that's nuts. I mean
that's what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:50:50):
Though. That's where we're at.

Speaker 5 (01:50:51):
Passing league, passing league, shifting priorities, that's how it all goes.

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
What would be even crazier if Washington didn't so Moore
they traded him, that would be And look, maybe the
age factor will come into play and maybe they will
trade him. And already they're looking at possible teams that
would vy for his services.

Speaker 3 (01:51:10):
I would think everybody would.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
But the top three, they say are the Las Vegas Raiders,
the Los Angeles Chargers, and the New York Jets and
I can see Jim Harbaugh would.

Speaker 3 (01:51:19):
Love this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
You know, he's got two big time running backs in
Hampton and Iris. But if he gets this guy for
Justin Herbert, I think that would really be a great
offensive situation for the LA Chargers.

Speaker 4 (01:51:32):
He would be a better upset the upper corp when
it comes to the money.

Speaker 5 (01:51:35):
And let's be honest, the guys a captain in Washington,
the guys everything that you want. A great leader. Had
a chance to see him early April. He come out
of the NFL network. He was doing NFL broadcasts boot camp,
so we had a chance to talk and do those things.
He has it together, man, He's an ultimate pro. These
are the guys that you want to reward. I am

(01:51:55):
sure that the contract situation is really about the money.

Speaker 4 (01:52:00):
Did you pay him?

Speaker 5 (01:52:01):
Are you willing to overpay a little bit for the
great performance and production that he put up?

Speaker 4 (01:52:06):
Or are you standing firm.

Speaker 5 (01:52:08):
Those decisions to Adam Peters and Dan Quinn have to
make when it comes to ay, what do I want
to give Terry mclauren.

Speaker 4 (01:52:15):
Are we really did give him.

Speaker 5 (01:52:16):
Full access into the club or do we need to
make sure that he comes in on a team friendly deal.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
Yeah, and look, Jayden Daniels has been very quiet in
this situation, not unlike Joe Burrow, who really has been
very very vocal, somewhat even attacking management in Cincinnati last
year with t Higgins and Jamar Chase enough stunning then
now Trey Hendrickson. He was asked the question, he's really
upset about that, you know. And here's the thing. These
quarterbacks make so much money. Why, I know, it's kind

(01:52:45):
of like putting my hand in their pocket. Why wouldn't
I defer their salary to help their teammates and help
them win?

Speaker 3 (01:52:51):
Why did they do that?

Speaker 5 (01:52:54):
Yeah, there's certain things like football can't do it all
the way, like baseball where you have the Dodgers signing
the billion dollar contracts, but they're deferring everything into twenty
sixty or whenever they did we Showy and all the
other big name guys. But you know, that's more of
a baseball thing. That's a baseball cultural thing more so

(01:53:14):
than football. But you want to find a way to
be creative so you can reward the guys, pay them
what they need, what they deserve, while also of retaining
their services. They'll find a happy media and I'm confident
that it to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
You know, I will say this, you know, reading about
all these holdouts right now, not a lot of them,
but big time, big name holdouts. One of the more
important positions on a football club right now is the
person who basically handles the budget and makes contracts. I mean,
you've got to be very creative to do that, to
see if it could fit in and fit in under
the cap. And those people hide in the back room,

(01:53:53):
you don't know who they are, and then never interviewed,
and you don't know how they do what they do, right,
that's the key I.

Speaker 4 (01:53:59):
Think, Yeah, I mean like no one does but.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
Jacksonville, who's the guy?

Speaker 5 (01:54:05):
Uh, they've had turnover, so I can't remember, like they've
had turnover at the top.

Speaker 4 (01:54:09):
So it's hard for me to know.

Speaker 5 (01:54:11):
But it looks it's always a collaborative effort, right, So
is the cat person, the coach, the general manager. Ownership
is involved. Okay, how do we want to do it?
These are significant contracts, so you've got to get the
sign off from ownership on what.

Speaker 4 (01:54:27):
They'll go up to.

Speaker 5 (01:54:28):
Those things matter, So it's look, it's a collaborative effort.
When you said it It's almost like in any business
when you send in the budget the budget books, you
send in those lines, you got the line items. You know, Ay,
we'll pay this much for this is it's interesting that
they you would think that they would have been proactive
to getting it done. I'm just kind of surprised they didn't.

(01:54:50):
They didn't get it done sooner rather than later.

Speaker 4 (01:54:52):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
By the way, we're live from the Fox Pust radio studios.

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
He's Bucky Brooks, I mean froman and now it's time
to let us in steam. It's to play game, and
it's freaking next. All right, the blame game coming right up.
It's about eleven minutes now before the top of the eye.
I remember at the top of the hour, it would
be nine am on the East Coast. Countdown, countdown. What
a show that is. Brian No, Bill Krakenberger, Jeff Schwartz

(01:55:15):
will join you at the top of the hour. Okay,
and we lie from the Fox Sports radio studios. And
now it's time for the blame game with me.

Speaker 3 (01:55:24):
It's all your fault.

Speaker 6 (01:55:26):
No, it's your fault.

Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
It's all your fault.

Speaker 3 (01:55:32):
Maybe it's everyone's fault. Who's the liar? That's why there's.

Speaker 4 (01:55:37):
The blame game.

Speaker 3 (01:55:37):
The blame game. Let's figure out who to blame.

Speaker 6 (01:55:40):
He's lying.

Speaker 3 (01:55:41):
Oh no, no, he's Patty.

Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
Patty.

Speaker 3 (01:55:43):
I'm sorry you though, you're not a liar.

Speaker 6 (01:55:45):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:55:46):
Wow for the blame game. Are you ready?

Speaker 6 (01:55:48):
I am ready? Wow, that's the first time I'm not
getting the blame today, guys. Let's go you here.

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
That's what.

Speaker 6 (01:55:55):
Well, you know, I'm happy to be back. And you
know what, Andy, for the one that I picked for
the blame game, it's going to be a happier one.
Well because neither this is not any of our teams here.

Speaker 3 (01:56:04):
So well, his father's days.

Speaker 4 (01:56:06):
What true?

Speaker 6 (01:56:08):
That said? Guys, So it's time to play the blame game.
And you know who I blame, Andy? This is who
I blame, the Colorado Rockies. So, guys, the Rockies now
have the fewest wins through seventy games since eighteen ninety
nine when they were there. There's a team called the
Spiders fewest wins in seventy games since that year eighteen

(01:56:30):
ninety nine, back when there was a civil war in
the Federation and all that stuff. Oo, do you blame Andy?

Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
You know what, though, it's really easy to say I'm
going to blame the manager, made the players, made the
front office of draft picks.

Speaker 3 (01:56:41):
No, I'm just really happy as happening.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
You know why, because people are going to think out
about the White Sox bad year, and they're certainly going
to thigk out about the one hundred and twenty losses of.

Speaker 3 (01:56:49):
The New York Mitch. So now it's all on you, Colorado.

Speaker 2 (01:56:52):
You steak and you have to earn it, and you
know what, you'll be in the record book.

Speaker 3 (01:56:56):
So what you're in the record books?

Speaker 4 (01:56:58):
Yeah, I blame it.

Speaker 5 (01:57:00):
They never should have been like this. Like I remember
when the Rockies were decent. It was fun to go
downtown Denver and watch them play.

Speaker 4 (01:57:06):
And then an absolutely terrible I blame management. They dropped
the ball on this.

Speaker 5 (01:57:10):
They have dropped the ball and let this franchise fall
to the monk.

Speaker 3 (01:57:14):
And it's a perfect bullpuck to hit him too.

Speaker 2 (01:57:17):
Of course, I lived out there when they had what
the Zephyrs, I think it was a minor league team,
and I used to watch them play with Barry Locklin
played for them before he went cold up for the
for the Reds, they were the Red Triple eight team
in Deadbor Well.

Speaker 6 (01:57:31):
Speaking of Cincinnati. We're going to go from the Reds
to the Bengals for this one. So the Bengals again
having problems off field preseason with contracts and it's a
lot of things, right, So who do you blame Bucky?

Speaker 5 (01:57:45):
I mean, look, Mike Brown, Mike Brown says the tone.
As the owner, he could he could have all of
this taken care of. If you wanted this team to
be a great team, he could do it. Like you
spend every expense, you don't, you spare no expenses. You
make sure your players are taking care of. You put
the players first, You take care of them, and then
you put the pressure on them to perform because they
have everything.

Speaker 4 (01:58:04):
But right now he hasn't done that, which is why
the team is up and down.

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
You know, I would say this, it's really easy to
point the finger the mic and certainly he signs off
on everything. I would think at this point in time,
he's a president, general manager, owner, he's a chief cook
and bottle washer. But after listening to you, I believe
it could be the capologist's fault. Really, you know, get
a capologist that could adjust the budget so everybody could
get their worth. That's the problem.

Speaker 6 (01:58:32):
Maybe maybe well, guys, I got a question for you,
what's next? And then for that, what's next for Michigan
in the sign stealing case with the NC double A
And who do you blame for this?

Speaker 2 (01:58:45):
Andy Well, I hate to say it because I love
the man who playoff the jam. Blame Jim Hobbob because
he was the head man. And you know, you're the
CEO of the operations. You know what's going on. But
you know it's a shame that if Michigan's penalized, and
Michigan will get penalized, you know, we Harbaugh goes away.
He's got big money coach in the NFL, and these
kids right now that are playing for Michigan, some even

(01:59:06):
recruited by coach Harbaugh, I'll have to suffer the consequences.

Speaker 5 (01:59:11):
Yeah, Ultimately, everyone's a blame. Harbaugh is responsible for some
of it, the coaches that were involved, the coaches that
were involved in the cover up, they all have a
hand in it. And then the athletic director Warman, you
also get some of the blame, Like this is a
smudge on the brand that Michigan is.

Speaker 4 (01:59:28):
And even though they won the Natty and it was.

Speaker 5 (01:59:30):
Worth it, it did kind of take away from that,
So everyone's to blame.

Speaker 4 (01:59:36):
I mean, nice, nice sound.

Speaker 6 (01:59:37):
Effect, want to be belching, excuse indeed, I blame you
for that one. Andy. So but that that said, we
got one more here. When the Twins and Royals were
in the World Series, no one made mention of small markets, right,
but now with Okay, seeing Andy in the NBA Finals,
it's like the biggest major talking point, Like of the year,
who do you play, Bucky.

Speaker 2 (01:59:59):
Man.

Speaker 4 (02:00:00):
We're just bored. We're bored in the house. You don't
have anything to talk about.

Speaker 5 (02:00:03):
No one was watching the WNBA before then, no one's
watching the India.

Speaker 4 (02:00:07):
Let we just we're just obsessed with.

Speaker 5 (02:00:09):
Ratings, just ratings, ratings, ratings when it comes to basketball.

Speaker 4 (02:00:13):
I'm tired of it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:14):
I played the media. You know, the media wants. They
want Hallick Burton and his dad, that's what they want.

Speaker 3 (02:00:17):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (02:00:18):
Thank you so much for listening, Stay tuned, See you
next Sunday.

Speaker 3 (02:00:21):
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