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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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how are you today, my friend?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
How's everything?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I am great? I really enjoyed the championship game weekend.
I think is everything that you love about college football
all day came out in full force.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
You know what, we gotta make a a kind of
like a little statement here before we delve into what's
going on here. All right, and I'm gonna say this,
after all the whining and crying about this twelve team
college playoffs, and that's what people were doing, and now
they're worrying about their jockeying for position. You know who's
gonna be sixth or seventh or eighth. You know, get
a life, Please get a life right now. First of all,
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college football, and I don't care who argues with me
on this because I know I'm right. College football has
been more competitive this year than the NFL period. Okay,
the NFL has some dogs this year, you know what,
and I know it. There's about four good teams in
the NFL. I'm gonna get into those later on today.
Next you could talk about the seedings after the playoffs,
not now. They're gonna played one another. When the playoffs
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are all over, then you could pick it apart, not now.
And that's for Boise State. People are going nuts over
Boise State because they got that first round by let
me just say this can clarify Boise State. They were
the third conference champion I believe to earn a bye
and that's Boise State. The the Broncos, they had a
twelve to one season. They beat number twenty EUNLV twenty
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one to seven. That was on Friday in the Mountain
West Championship game. Boise He now gets a home and
home sweep by the Rebels twice. So the Broncos, get
that buy if they're gonna bypass Indiana for the number
eight spot, and they should after Ohio State and Tennessee
because of the quality of the wins.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Boise State has the two rank.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Wins over you, and of the because they only ranked twentieth,
plus they got two other wins over teams with at
least eight wins.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
So they're stick it and there you go. And as
for the big.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Winner of all of this, I'm gonna tell you who
it is, and I know you're gonna agree with me.
Alabama nine and three record now in the line for
the final that large spot over Miami, Ole Miss and
South Carolina. Why because this committee likes logos. That's what
they like. They like college logos. Enough said, it's up
to you, mister Brooks.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I know I can't go to you.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
I was with you until you said Alabama. I can't
go with you on that.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I can't put Alabama in over SMU, regardless of the
way to schedule and all that other stuff like THESMU
team that I saw last night against Clemson, I cannot
put Alabama over that. Alabama wasn't in a conference championship game.
Alabama had some egregious losses, they can't go. You get
three losses, they cannot go. So regardless of like the
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brand and how much we love the logo and the
SEC influence on the playoff and the committee, if Alabama
goes as a travesty is an egregious and it can't happen.
It can happen because if you put Alabama in over
a team that participated in the conference championship like an SMU,
it is eventually it just eliminates the importance of the
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championship game. To me, I think you have to leave
Alabama on the sideline. They can find a place to
go play their bowl game.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Okay, I'm not that pleased that Alabama's going, but they
are going to go up and goes to their logo
and their brand. But Alabama, in fact, they're three and
one against top twenty five competition, all right, and if
you want to look at them over Miami or Florida,
and they did lose to Syracuse that bumped out Miami
last week. Miami was just owning one against the same
competition Miami. Of course, Alabama has hit that head wins
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over South Carolina, and I think they have better wins
than Old Miss did. Although Old Miss you know, they're
pretty tipped off too, but you know, look, SMU, I
just don't think they're on the same level. And I
think that's the eye test, so they're gonna fail, right,
So the so.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
The eye test is one thing.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
But here's here's why it would be unprecedented to drop SMU. Okay,
so SMU because you brought up Miami, because you have
Alabama comparing Miami. You can't put Miami in over SMU
when SMU was a better team within the conference, like,
because then what it does is it makes the conference
championships a sham. It makes the regular season basically a sham.
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If you're not going to reward the best teams in
the regular season in their league for dominating their league
playing in the championship, then what are we doing? Like
because then everyone to just schedule cupcakes and we'll be
back to the way there used to be forty years ago,
when we just looked at guys and said, well, this
team looks good, and that team looks good, and this
team looks.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Good to me.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I think you have to set hardline precedents and parameters
right now. If not, we'll always have these debates and arguments.
But if it comes down to Alabama and Miami, yeah,
Alabama cane over Miami. But I can't put Miami over
SMU in any scenario. So to me, the debate comes
down to SMU and Alabama, and SMU should get it regardless.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
To the resume, and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I'm not going to argue for the sake of arguing
with you, but I will say this, sometimes it's best
not to even play in a championship game. Teams that
are on the sidelines may have a better deal than
those that are playing because when you're playing, you hurt yourself,
and SMU have hurt themselves yesterday. Right, I mean, look,
but we don't want that in Alabama.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yeah, but we don't want that. Like Notre Dame is
a separate case, right, So Notre Dame is an independent.
Notre Dame played all the games, swept all the games,
or whatever. They did everything that they possibly could do.
Alabama didn't. Alabama didn't reach their conference title game. They
weren't the best one of the two best teams in
their conference. So are we rewarding them based off their
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history and their reputation and I love Alabama and what
Alabama has done in the past, but look that big
loss to Oklahoma. Uh, that hurt them. I saw them
lose to Georgia and then they lost to Vanderbilt. Yeah,
I mean like one and a half loss that Aaric
Reach is right, Vanderbilt is better than they've been. Oklahoma
has not been good this year. So to me, I
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don't know how you can reward them with a playoff
appearance when other teams that they're competing against do not
have such egregious losses.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Well, look, I would think that number eight SMU with
the time, they're gonna probably drop out of the field
altogether because of that.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Because you lose a three point game in the championship,
we're gonna drop them all the way out.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Because they lost to Clemson, Okay, in the championship game
of the ACC.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
And Clemson.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Clemson is just like a bad brand. Like we're saying
that Clemson is not a good brand in the.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Champions they are.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
They are a good brand, and that's why he's not
gonna get in. I just you know, I think Clemson's
gonna be in there. Clemson will be number twelve. I
think they're a twelve team. I think they sneak in
because of their brand. And they won that championship game,
the A sec TO title. I think that gets them in. Now,
are there a better team than their SMU? Well, on
the field they wore I don't know. SMU had a
tremendous season. They really did, you know. And the funny
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thing is, people tell me all the time, this team's
better than that team.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
The better players. You know what it's all about.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
It says how much money you spend, You spend money
to get players, you get a great team. That's what
it's all about. Look, the one thing that we know
for sure is Oregon. They'd a number one team right now,
maybe the team to beat. I don't know, but I
don't think SMU is going to get in. That's just
the way it is, and it's always going to be
that way. When they had a four team deal, there
was always a fifteen that was pressing its nose against
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the glass.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
That's just the way it goes.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I just think that if that's the case, if Alabama
gets in without having to go through the riggers, and
what are we doing? I think it up, says to Alpacoarte,
and if I'm a coach, why schedule anybody? Why not
just play your ffe you run the lower thing. So
that's what I'm saying. So like, if the committee opts
for that, see Clemson automatic, he gets in as an
automatic berth. They won the conference cham right, right, so
they have to have a higher line. But if we're
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just going to put the teams that we want to
see in because they're gonna travel well in a brand
and I mean, what is it? And I know it's
a TV show and not really a bracket, but to me,
if you do that all bad.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I will say this, and I'm going to compare it,
and maybe it's a long shot comparison, I'm going to
pair it to the NT double, a college tournament, and
it's the term that we need to use here.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
It's a tournament, you.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Know, not necessarily the best sixty four to sixty eight teams.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Is did they get in? What do I mean by that?
Many a time?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
And a smaller conference In the basketball deal, you could
win your conference and lose the conference tournament, and a
team with a losing record in the conference tournament that
wins that tournament goes to the NT double. A's and
it's happened before. I've seen it happen before in smaller conferences,
and so right now, let's just remember it's a tournament
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and not necessarily the best teams get in. There is
Indiana the top twelve teams in the country. I don't know,
I mean, who have they beaten? But Indiana's going to
get in. I'm sure they're going to get in. You know,
if truth be known, SMU should probably get in over Indiana,
right they should?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Well, I mean with both of those teams, Like the
teams we're talking about, like we're talking about teams they
have like one loss, maybe two loss.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
When you get to three losses.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Like a three loss deal, like unless you're one of
those Cinderella teams. Like so you talk about the NCAA tournament,
a Cinderella team that gets hot and wins the tournament. Cool,
But three losses as just an at large without any
notable Like they beat Georgia, so that's a notable win
without anything, like where they underachieve based on what they
have on their roster and what the expectations were. I
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don't know, I don't know why you would reward that,
Like why not bring somebody else to the party. That's
a little different than a team that we've seen underachieve
on the.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Me I'm with you right there, and I'll tell you
right now, I don't know what's more important who you
beat or your record, Because coaches are gonna go back
to their drawing boyd and say, wait a minute, I'm
gonna do what Indiana did. I'm gonna play nobody next year.
Why would I want to play big teams on a
big stage, possibly lose and hurt my chances to go
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to the tournament. That's what's going to happen, right We're
gonna see a lot of scheduling changes. And who said
this way back in August Lincoln Riley, the coach of
USC when he didn't want to maybe get out of
that note your Dame game. Remember he was kind of
hinting he wasn't gonna play them. He knew right from
the get go. That's the deal. It's not basically who
you play, it's what your record looks like.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
And that's what's gonna get you in.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah, I mean like all that matters. I mean it
makes a great debate. We're here debating it. So that's
exactly what they want.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
It'd be interesting to see.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
The good thing is, whenever they picked the twelve teams,
they have to play the games and we kind of
see who's the okand champion.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I'm excited, you know. I honestly, I have no money
in the deal. I'm not going to lose any sleep
over at twelve teams get in there. I'm more excited
now than I've ever have been in college football because
I remember back in the day when they didn't even
have rankings, they didn't even have a tournament. It was
the Associated Press picked the national champion, and that was
a joke. At least now they decided on the field
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and it's a tournament. Are the best twelve teams in
the country. Maybe not, you know, maybe teams sneak in
and the system is somewhat flawed, but it's better than
anything else we've ever had. And it's gonna get worked
out because it's the first year, so let it get
worked out, right, I mean it's only the first year.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Well yeah, I mean, look, it'd continue to be a
changing thing, just like they talk about expanding eventually to
fourteen teams and those things. I think the great thing
is better than the system was. You know, and so
anytime you have an opportunity to put more teams into
the mixed, more conversations, I just love the fact that
you have more teams that are engaged in the process.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
No doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Tell you what, the one thing that I learned a
little bit, if I learned anything, I mean, I'm seeing
the running game coming back to life in the National
Football League with Derek Henry, just Jacob Siquan Barkley, and
now in the college game. Look, look at Arizona State
where they come from. Let me just get Kim scottovo.
I mean really and truly they got him, and they
got an ashtro Genty at Boise State. So I'm happy
those schools are in the tournament so I can see
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these players play. But I think the running back position
has become alive again. It's needed, and the NFL is
seeing that as well. It's funny because the two best
running backs in the league are casts off from other teams.
But look, they know that the running game is an
important aspect of the game, and you know, several years
ago they were trying to phase that position out. It's
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coming back and I see it in college.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Yeah, it's coming back.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Because of the way the defense reacted to the pass
halfy nature of the college game and the pro game
when teams started making a concerted effort on defense to
take away the deep ball, and you saw a lot
of what they called split field safeties or too high
safety looks with umbrella coverage. The only way to counter
that is to run the ball at them because the
numbers advantage is now. The numerical advantage is now at
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the line of scrimmage in the running game, and what
you have to do to create big plays. You need
to run people out, force them to drop that extra
defender in the box so now you can have one
on one coverage. And even though the league has seen
the running game go up, teams are still hell bent
on taking away the explosive plays, the big plays, which
is why you're seeing so many teams have success with
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the ground. And I also say this, too many people
jumped in and felt like you could find a running
back anywhere, and they would say like, oh, you can
prove it. Look at the production. As a player, I
would tell you like their levels to this. There's a
difference between Christian McCaffrey and Joe Schmoe, who may gain
sixty yards a game, and Christopher McCaffrey.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
It changes the.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Way that you have to defend him. You have to
give him a certain amount of respect. That creates opportunities
for others. There are other backs where you're okay with
them churning out yards because the yards have limited impact,
like they don't deliver the explosive plays in those things.
And so it required us to look a little deeper
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in the position. And I'm glad that we're finally respecting
the elite runners as comparing them all to just guys
that you can find anywhere in the back of the
kitchen at Applebee somewhere you can just find.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
A running back.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
They can go and pop twelve hundred yards like it's
not like that. And so they certainly deserved to have
a little more respect put on their names.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Okay, when we got the fourteen, the top four teams
should probably be or going to be number one. GEORGEI
will be number two, Boise State will be three, and
Arizona State, believe it or not, I was to be four.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
And I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Understand how Arizona State came from nowhere. No one picked
them to do anything. Last year they were nothing this
year they win. They beat up on Iowa State yesterday.
What was the They beat them a big forty five nineteen.
So it looks like from the projections right now, the
five and twelve, which will probably be Texas five Clemson
twelve Texas Clemson winner will play Arizona State. Tell me
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in your heart of hearts, did you see Arizona State
turning their program around like they did this year?
Speaker 4 (15:16):
No nobody did, just like no one saw Colorado or
expected they would turn it around like that. I would
say that Dillingham did a really good job of keeping
the crew together. He brings a lot of energy, and
he was unwavering in his belief that they could get
this thing done. As a former scout, I would tell
you that everyone has always felt like Arizona State had
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a lot of potential. It was a sleeping giant based
on the location and the things that the school could offer.
And you're seeing him tap into it. And as long
as they're playing like they're playing very aggressive and creative
offense that kind of keeps you on your heels, very
athletic defense with an aggressive temp to it that kind
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of forces you into bad plays, And it's a bit
of a boom or bus steal. It's a really good team.
Now we'll see them on a major state. Big twelve
ball is different than some of the other balls because
big twelve football is really wide open. Can they adapt
to different styles, We'll see. But the team that I
had a chance to watch against Iowa State one, they
were heading shoulders above the Cyclones that have a tremendous
amount of respect for what Matt Campbell does in developing
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the players that he has at Iowa State. But man,
it was a night and day difference, and they did
what they were supposed to do to Iowa State. When
you saw the decided athletic advantages, they took him to
the shed. And if people are sleeping on this team
given extra time and a bye, they need to be
careful because Arizona State is real.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
You know. It's funny.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I watched the state and watched the game, and I'm
a big fan of Matt Campbell because I remember when
he coached.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
The University of Toledo and he's a good guy. He's
just a good man.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
And the first thing that came to my mind is
that when the game was over, he's going to go
back and talk to his athletic director and the alums,
and he's going to say, you know what we need
And it's the stupidest thing, but this is what I
thought we need when we need more NIL money. I mean,
think about it. That's what they need, righted, more money
to get better players. That's what it's all about right now,
isn't it.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
I don't think they're I think what happens at I
will say I think they have to have a model
that works for them. The way that you win there
is you have to develop your homegrown players. You have
to take chances in recruiting on guys that are unheralded,
but they develop into better players. And when you do that,
you're going to run into some monsters or whatever. I
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don't know if when you're at Iowa State and you're
building the program, if you're building it to be a
national champion, or you're saying, let's build our team to
see if we can win the Big twelve and get
into the tournament. And as you get into the tournament
a few times you'll see more you see like guys
with more stars attracted to the program, much like you
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saw firsthand with Cincinnati in the Bearcats.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
It took the.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Bearcats winning with lesser thans to then begin to pull
in maybe more decorated recruits.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
That Arizonta State this year, by the way, they did
without the queen.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I was on the state.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Had that quarterback hurt that game, but still I guess
the committee took that into consideration. But Cincinnati bat Arizona
State in Cincinnati this year. You know, that's how crazy
it is.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
It really is.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
That is that is kind of crazy. They were knocked
that off.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Okay, so right now I would have to think that
Oregon is the team to be. I mean, I think
they're head and shoulders above everybody. Although I get some
kudos to Penn State.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
They hung with them.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Penn State did that was that was like almost like
the Green Bay Detroit Lions game, back and forth, trading
scores back and forth.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
I really enjoyed that game.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Yeah, look it was.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
It was a great game. It was.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
I will say we have seen Oregon play really well.
They played really well on the big stage, and the
trick or the key for them would be to see
can they sustain it as the hunted. Okay, so when
you go into the tournament and you're the number one
seed and everyone knows there's no underdog card that you
can play. How do they handle everyone coming after them?
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Different thing, different level of pressure. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
I'll tell you what I do.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Have to get something off my chest, if you don't mind,
if I may, all right, and this really bugged me.
All I'm not one of those guys that just like
stands in front of the TV night and day, twenty
four hours a day.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
But I do do some surfing every now and again.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
So I turned on the TV the other day and
I saw this clown, pull fine Bound. I'm not even
given the kudos to say what network he works for? Okay,
he's on TV, and I say, shame on you. I
don't know the guy, but I say, shame on you,
Pull fine Bound.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
What did he do?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
He's calling for USC to fire the football coach Lincoln Riley.
All right, and look, if that's what you get paid
to do, fine, But I think it's weak. I think
it's really weak media people calling for firings. I think
it's just playing weak because it tells me you're unprepared,
and it's bullying.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I have talked over the years about coaches who may
get fired, but I'm not sit behind a microphone that's
not yelling fire this guy, because I know what it's
like to be fired. I don't want to see anybody fired.
It's the worst thing in the freaking world. And for
someone to get paid before a national audience behind the
microphone and say, hey us say fire Lincoln Riley, that's
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shame on you. That's all I gotta say. If you
agree with me, I hope you do because I thought
it was wrong. And look, Lincoln Riley may leave, he
may that fired, that's that's his deal. But I'm not
going to say fire the guy. I just it's wrong.
I just my stomach was churning when he said that.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Yeah, no, I feel you on that, Like mediu member
shouldn't be calling on gas to be fired. However, I
will say that Lincoln Rally certainly has not done a
good job, and considering living in LA and knowing kind
of lil of the land, there's no reason why their
program should be what their program is. H He'll get
plenty of opportunities to change it. I think it's so
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cost prohibitive to move on from him that look, it's
unlikely that they would do it. But yeah, fine, bomb
has he has to chill out, he has to fight down.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Some of that he can relax. Relax, Fine Bomb, da yougo?
All right? He's Bucky Brooks and Andy Furman.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
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Speaker 3 (21:20):
That's okay.
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Speaking of college football, I got to talk about my
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buddies alma mater, the University of North Carolina. Bill Belichick
interested in the North Carolina football job?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Are you kidding? Come on?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
The tar Heels dumped the seventy three year old Mac Brown,
now Belichick seventy two. What's the story now? Is Belichick
and a gun there? What's you know?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
The inside out? Don't get buck? What's happening?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Mean?
Speaker 4 (22:51):
I wish I knew the inside out? But now look,
it's a real consideration.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
They interviewed him.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
They talked to him. There's been reporced a possibly he
was trying to have a successor in place by naming
his son Steven as the head coach in waiting. But
you know, know like this, this search can go anywhere.
And the reason why is because when you look at
the college game, they're a couple hot names, but there's
a lot of whole hum when it comes to who's
going to be available. And you know, John Somerro was
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the hot name from Tulane, but he's going to have
his fair share.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Of jobs, and so who knows.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
I think is the job of the ad bubble cunning
him and all of the board to try and explore
every possibility to give yourself a chance to sustain success
or build success in North Carolina with football program.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
You know, Belichick is like a breath behind Don Shula
for the old time win record in the National Football League.
You would think that if he's going to coach again,
he'd probably want to go back to the NFL to
try to break that regular Maybe it's meaningless to him,
I don't know, but I would think that he'd want
to get that record.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Maybe, but maybe he feels like after going through the
process last year and being shut out maybe people, he
feels that people don't respect him as much as they
can could because of his age and those things like
there are a lot of people that, look, man, people
fall into the narratives, right. There are people that talked
about like, oh, well he can't win without Tom Brady, etc.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Etc. But I don't think you win as many games
as he's won.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Without being able to understand how to build a program
and sustain a program in those things. And for him,
I think it's the right opportunity in terms of like
the right control to build the kind of program that
you want to build. In college, you have that kind
of control. Yeah, you answered to the ad, but it's
a different deal because you're the king of the castle.
And at the college at the collegiate level, not so much.
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At the pro level, not many teams are willing to
seed that kind of power to allow a coach to
have everything right.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
College level, you build your own roster, that's you basically
do you recruit, you get the nil money, you pay them,
and there you go. You know, And speaking of coaches,
let's talk about I said risk and rewards, there's none
better right now than Dan Campbell. I mean I watched
that game on Thursday night. Was like fourth and like
a credit card, that's how far it was. Fourth and
an inch on the green Bay twenty twenty one yard
line with about forty seconds left in the game. The
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score was tight at thirty one. What did Campbell say,
We're going for it, We're going for it.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I mean, the guy got a pair of onions, that's
what he's got.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
And they went for it.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And what David Montgomery, the kid from Cincinnati, I love him. Okay,
seven yards touchdown conversion, they walk off Jake Bates. It's
the thirty five yard field goal, and what do you know,
green Bay goes down, Detroit wins. I mean, you gotta
love this guy, Dan Campbell. If you're a player, you
gotta you just run through a wall for this guy.
I mean, what it does for the players, I gotta
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believe is like, hey, coach is showing confidence in us.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
He wants to go for it. That's wonderful. Others don't.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
They just don't well no, I mean he has a
tremendous fount of confidence in his players, and being a
former player, he certainly has earned their initial respect and
then he's shown that, you know, like he can win.
And once you show your team that you have the
knowledge and the program that produced the success, they're willing
to buy in. And so they're going to continue to
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buy into it. The only thing that could trip the
Detroit lines up man the war of attrition. They're beginning
to have so many injuries that is eventually going to
impact the way that they have to play, particularly on defense,
and so that's something to keep an eye on. They're
playing well, they want a lot, but they got to
stay hot. The Philadelphia Eagles are coming and if it
comes down to home field, the thought of them having
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to go to Philadelphia is something that look not to
scare them, but it should make them stay on. They
up and up because if they get home field, they're
a different animal when they play in Ford Field and
when they have to go on the road.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
You know, I'm gonna ask you like a real stupid question,
and you could laugh at me if you want to,
but I look at the coaches in and around the
National Football League just simply could you tell me what
makes a good coach?
Speaker 5 (26:45):
You know?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Why?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Is Dan Campbell head and shoulders above others. Why is
Andy Read a better coach? I mean the easy answer
is personnel, for sure, but there's got to be a
better reason. There's got to be something behind, you know,
behind the curtain. What makes a real good coach?
Speaker 4 (27:01):
One I would say authenticity. Like you can be a
coach that comes in different packaging.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Right.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
You can be the hard nos grizzled coach, you can
be the fun loving coach. You can be a little
bit of both. But what you have to be is
consistent and authentic. The players have to know that every
day you show up you can be the same guy.
You can't be a hard nose one day fun loving
the next like you have to continue to be the same. Secondly,
you've got to have a level of competence in terms
of your knowledge of job, your knowledge of gaming, your knowledge.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Of building a team that can win.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
They'll see that, they'll test that because ultimately, the job
of the head coach is to solve problems. So when
it gets to being difficult and challenging, all odds turn
to the coach for how you're going to handle this situation?
How are you going to help us get through this?
Give us the answers to help us get over the top,
and then the other thing will be regardless of your
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intelligence and your acumen, can you hire a competent staff.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Can you hire a staff full of.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Lieutenants that can kind of carry out your mission, that
can continue to echo the same.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Words in those things to do it?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
And so as much as we like to talk about
head coaches being exes and those guys and tacticians and
schemers and hey, this guy's gonna be a great head
coach because he's a great play caller, it extends beyond that.
It is about really being the quote unquote leader of men,
but really being a great leader, because a great leader
can figure out the other stuff. But you can't be
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a X and those guys without leadership skills and become
a great winner.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
It just doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
And I think another trade, and maybe I'm mistaken on.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
This, I think you have to be a good delegator
because I think if a coach wants to do everything,
you're gonna fail. And I see that in Cincinnati, Zach
Taylor wants to do it all. He wants to call
the plays, he wants to do this. He's got his
nose and everything. And I see someone like Jim Hobbaugh,
and I've seen some of these things and stories on him.
He'll go into a meeting room and say, look at
the film and say, this guy is not blocking over
here to take care of that. He just tells his
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people to do it. And I think that's what a
good leader does. I think you delegate.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Yeah, I think you have to be careful with the
delegation though, And the only reason I'll say you have
to be careful with the delegation is because no one
loves it as much as you love it. No one
also understands the vision as much as you do unless
you consistently tell them what that vision is for the
program and then hold them accountable to meeting that vision.
So there is some delegation that needs to go on,
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but that delegation.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Has to be earned.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Meaning I'm gonna give you these responsibilities to do, and
if you do them, then I give you more responsibilities
and I'll back up. But if I give them to
me and you don't do it to my liking, well,
now you're never going to have a say because you
haven't done the work that you need to do to
earn my trust to do that. So it's a give
and take when it comes to being able to delegate
to people.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
All right, let's get into this game, talk about delegating
to about coaching. The Falcons are playing of the likings.
I guess the big headline for media people is to
return to Kirk Cousins because it's his former team. But
right now, I said, the clock is ticking from one
quarterback and he's the quarterback was right now the Atlanta offense,
they haven't gotten more than seventeen points in the last
three successive defeats against teams with really strong defenses. So
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is it time for Michael Pennick Junior to be the quarterback?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Last week Cousins had four interceptions against the Charges. Is
it time for Kurt? And I love kurk Cousins. I
saw him on hard Knocks. I fell in love with
the guy, I really did. But it's a time for
Kirk Cousins to move aside and Michael Pennix Junior get
on the center.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
We're gonna make this move in the middle of a
playoff run. Think we get five games left and we'll say, hey,
you know what we're gonna do let's just throw the
rookie in there when it's the most intense and competitive.
If this was going to be in play, this is
something that the Atlanta Falcons have to start thinking about
doing Earlier in the year. They got to start getting
Michael Pennick ready to play for the moment, barring an injury.
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But to think that we're going to voluntarily just drop
him in to an intensely competitive race and expect him
to make the offense better.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Man, that's a lot on.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
A player who has a play since the preseason, and
even when he played in the preseason, he played a
couple series.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
I think they have the state, of course.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
I think the plan was always to have Michael Pennix
into as a backup this year, and then maybe next
year or the year after he would assume control of
the offense. I just think they'd ride it out with
Kirk Cuvlins.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
I knew you'd have the answer. I knew you would.
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
As far as the Vikings are concerned, they got a
five game winning streak. They got Justin Jefferson. He became
the fourth player to have a post one thousand receiving
yards in each of his first five seasons. I think
it's a Vikings win today, and I'm going to move
over here because this game basically.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Doesn't deserve my breath.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
The Saints at the Giants, okay, I think they're playing
for the coach's job, maybe the general manager's job, and
the more Sakuon Barkley plays hard and does what he's doing,
the worse it is for the coaching staff, at least
for the general manager for the Giants, because honestly, I mean,
I don't think they even thought Saquon Barkley would be
doing what he's doing right now. But he's turned the
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Eagles around and the Giants right now of two and ten,
they're terrible and the Saints aren't much better. One of
those guys, I mean, why would you go, why would
you watch this game?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Really?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
It's wasted time. I mean, I mean you and your
guy Dex still large. He's heard he's not playing.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Yeah, he has heard.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
He dislocated his elbows, so he's done for the year.
Went on, I R like the last week.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
No, this is a tough game. It's tough for both teams.
Both teams are rebuilding, no chance of making the playoffs
in those things, and so you have to play it out.
You're playing for quote unquote pride, as they would like.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
To say in the locker room meeting rooms.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
But every play on the field has to know that
if there's someone that comes in, if there's a newbie,
new coach, new general manager, the first thing you can
do is they gonna pop into tape from the end
of the year and they're gonna make decisions based on
your performance. So regardless of the scoreboard, regardless of what
your role is, you better play it hard because you're
going to be evaluated and there can be consequences that
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come with the evaluation.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Right you're playing for their job, That's what you're basically doing.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Raiders are playing at the Buccaneers today and good for
Aid and o'connley finally got a job. He's like the guy,
he's the man now he's the quarterback for the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Right now. They lead the league in turnovers. That's not
a good thing.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Tampa Bay, their rookie running back Bucky Irving, had his
best day list week, rush for one hundred and fifty
two in a touchdown twenty five carries, got hurt a
little bit at the end of that game. But right now,
Baker Mayfield is doing it all right now for Tampa.
I think Tampa's going to win this game. Rader is
a you know, I'm not saying that players give up
at the end of the season when the team is losing,
when they know they're not playing for anything, because you
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hit it on the head, they're playing for their game
on film so people could see them. They get a
job somewhere else in the college game, they go into
the portal in the pro game, I mean, they're looking
for a deal.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Maybe they get traded, they drop, whatever it may be.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
But the point is, right now, I don't think anybody's
going to dump on them because the team is not
doing well.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
I think you still play hard. Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I'm sure you've seen guys dogging it down the stretch
or not wanting to play, but I think more often
than not, they're still playing hard.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Mean, that goes a long way, and it appeals to
the coach's ability to connect, you know, because you got
to connect with your team to get them to live
up to and play up to your standards. And that
requires a steady conversation to understand what makes them tick.
That requires being consistent in your messaging in terms of
how you want to see the team play. All of
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that stuff matters. And look the good coach is able
to do in regards to the record. They they don't change,
they don't deviate from the message. They continue to ask
in demand the same things, whether they're winning or lose.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
All right, last but not, Lisa, squeeze this one in here.
The Panthers are at the Eagles today. Eagles are ten
and two, Panthers three or nine. However, Bryce Young two
and three in his last five games as Panthers quarterback.
He's getting the system, he's learning a little bit. But
I will tell you this much. I know the Eagles
are going to win. I'll tell you why. There's a
guy in my state, Kentucky, where I live, I'm better,
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is backing the Eagles to defeat the Carolina Panthers today
with a three point one million dollar wager, one of
the largest bets ever reported on an NFL regular season game.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
All right, three point one that's good enough for me.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
If he's spend three point one million for the Eagles
to win, Eagles is gonna win this game.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I do not know.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Andy Furrman was the one that plays the bet, So
it came from y'all. Okay, I was wonting because I
saw the things. The word three million dollars. Man, that's it.
Pour all the retirement savings into.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
It and put my house on it.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Eagles are hot, just do it.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah, well, well, look the Eagles right now the number
one defense in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
And I just think the Egles are a great team.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
But this the bet, the bet is the reason why
you want to watch the game, because I think that
if this guy loses, what's the story tomorrow. I mean,
he'd be living on the street. Who knows. We'll see
what happens.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
You get three point one to bet, you'd probably not
gonna go in the street if you lose.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
It's the only going to win four hundred thousand if
he wins, you know, So I don't know he's.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Better off for an ira A.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
We move on Bucky brooks Andy Furman, Fox Football Sunday
and Fox Sports Radio, and he is the answer man.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
He really is. As Bucky It's next.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
You don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Bucky right around the corner. It's about ten minutes before
the top of the hour. He's Bucky Brooks and Andy
Furhan and we are Fox Football Sunday and Fox Bort's
ready on his time for ask buckets. Let's get it done,
all right, Here we go, Here we go, all right.
First question, Major League Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
He's floating around the idea of the Golden at bat rule.
What is that?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
This is something that he copied from the Savannah Bananas,
the baseball version of the Harlem Globetrotters. It would allow
teams to pinch hit any hitter at any time of
the game.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
All Right.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
He threw it out there, and there was a lot
of negativity. So now we're saying, no, I really didn't
throw it out. They just wanted No. He's full of it,
because if everybody wanted to do it and there was
a positivity on the results, he would have said, yeah,
we're doing it, and he would have snuck it in.
It would have been in minor league baseball this year
and they would have got it done. But I want
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to know your opinion of the Golden at bat rule.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
I mean, I'm not a fan of it just because
it's so unorthodox, right, such a non traditional thing.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
I understand it.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
I mean the appeal because Savannah bananas do kind of
keep you entertained. But no, my baseball, I still want
some purity to it. I like the changes that were made,
like the pitch clock has helped getting rid of this shift.
Those things have help. But Dad, that's a little much.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
I don't like the runner at second base and the
extra innings. I think that's ridiculous. But we move on.
We'll wait for the baseball season for that.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Let's go to Jamis Winston.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Now. Jamis Winston the quarterback of the Cleveland Browns. He
set a record with four hundred and ninety seven passing
yards and Monday's forty one to thirty two loss to.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
The Denver Broncos.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Despite also throwing four touchdown passes, it was his two
interceptions return for touchdowns and three picks overall that it
stuck with him after the game.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
This is what he said quote, I know I'm better
than this.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
This is what he said in the postgame, like I'm
just praying for the the Lord to deliver me from
pick sixes. Okay, have you had really have you ever
heard of anything like this before? I know I'm better
than this. I'm praying for the Lord to deliver me
from pick sixes. I mean, really, come on, I.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Mean it's a lot. But like he is very devloped
in this faith and it comes out in every thing.
But Jamis is going to fall into uh, this quirkiness,
this coininess, that is part of his being. But yeah,
hopefully if you look at him like a wonderful performance,
but he does turn the ball over a lot. He
does need some help to rid him of the pick
sixes that ailed him.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
All right, Now, let's go to the NFL Big three,
the Big three, the Detroit Lions, Philadelphia Eagles, and the
Buffalo Bills. Who is number four, Bucket Brooks or if not,
maybe that's not your pick three?
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Let it know.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Oh no, we go back the big.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Lions Eagles, but Lions, Eagles, Bills.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
Lions Eagles, Bills. Well that it has to be the Chiefs.
The Chiefs said before.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I don't like them. They're playing They're playing on a tightrope.
They're playing put in front of him.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
The Minnesota Vikings also are playing on the tight rope.
Baltimore Ravens are inconsistent.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
But you're going with that? Said the defending champs that's
the only reason.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Right. Oh well, no, I mean like they're there. They're winning.
I mean they continue to win. I can't knock them
out until they lose. They win, they continue to win
against all odds.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Okay, so you're putting them in the top three. What
about the Packers? Where do the Packers go?
Speaker 4 (39:23):
No, the Packers haven't dropp down a little bit. Packers
have to be behind the vikings. The stealers are knocking
on the door of the group. The stillers deserve some
love to be in that conversation.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
All right, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Okay, Now, speaking of three, the NFL draft has the Jaguars, Raiders,
and Giants picking of that order. Will we see two
Colorado players in the top three? Be it Travis Hunter
and Shadua Sanders?
Speaker 6 (39:47):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Yeah, two players in the top three?
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Yeah. I think by the end of it, we'll see
two guys come off the board. And I would think
the wide receiver comes off the board before the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Sounds great.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
I was gonna throw this out with you if we
have time, Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahome.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
What do you like, Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 3 (40:04):
All right, there we go, stay with us, all right?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
One team's success could bring a big loss that's coming
right up.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Good morning. This is Fox Football Sunday and Fox Sports.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Ready.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
He is Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
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He writes for them every single week, as he does
so many other things. But I learned to turn to
NFL dot Com to see Bucky Brooks the analysts for
NFL dot Com and this week a rather interesting story
about one team that we should not overlook. Now you
talk about the obvious, and I should have realized this
when I asked you this, and asked Bucky, because you
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love the Chiefs and then they really, as you say
squarely in the mixes back to back reigning champs, overwhelming dominance.
They are still at eleven and one overall. But you
talk about the Bills, you talk about the Ravens, right,
in the discussion of the AFC, and you talk about
the NFC. You got the Lions, you got the Eagles,
and they're gonna be perhaps they're on championship Sunday, but
you say, do not, do not overlook the Minnesota Vikings,
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and do not overlook the Pittsburgh Steelers. And let's talk
about the Pittsburgh Steelers where nine to three. Why do
you say they are a possibility to win a championship
when obviously I think they're offensively challenged, so to speak.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
I think they really are.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
I would say, like, look, when you Pittsburgh steels in
your challenge like like they are, it's about stylistic play
and why you're able to do it and how are
you able to do it? And so the one thing
that you outlined in the pieces you talk about the
Steelers can win because one, they have a championship level
d defense, right, they lead the league when it comes
to like, they're second in the league in turnover March
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would lead the league in turnovers for so that means
they're going to create extra possessions. They're number one on
offense in time of possession. So not only do they
take the ball away from you, but they are proven
to keep the ball, they retain possession, averaging over thirty
two minutes of offense. And so the running game, the
defense that already is problematic, Well, now you add Russell
Wilson to the mix. Pedigree, super Bowl champion, nine time
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Pro Bowler, winning season after win the season when he's
been the starting quarterback in those high leverage moments where
the gang is hanging in the balance. Russell Woodson's been
there for so long, so he isn't going to be Look,
he's not gonna shrink under the pressure of the postseason.
And for Mike Tomlin, he needed a quarterback that would
give him every opportunity to do that, someone that would
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step into the light as opposed to running from the spotlight.
When you get into the.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Postseason, well, when you got TJ.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Watt and Cam Haywod on the defensive side of the football,
I mean you got something cooking over there. And you know,
Mike Tomlins a heck of a defensive coach, and the
Steelers are basically a defensive minded team, a defensive minded organization.
But here's the thing, and I think that many ball
clubs don't realize this, especially teams that make the playoffs
for the very first time getting into the playoffs. A.
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The weather's gonna be bad if you don't playing into us, obviously,
but the weather's gonna be cold.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
It's gonna be bad. So what do you gotta do.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
You gotta have a ball control team. You can't pass
in that win and snow and bad weather. You got
to run the football. And you mentioned this, and it's true.
Other coaches don't even realize this. Pittsburgh is a ball
control offense and you got to run on the head.
So if they're playing tough defense and the control the
ball offense, they got a shot to go deep in
the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
Yeah, because they can play the game on their terms.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
It's very much like I mean, were you in Big
ten country, Just imagine like playing Wisconsin basketball. Right, No
matter how much you want to fast break and do it,
if they are committed to walking the ball up, you
never can get the game on your terms.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
You can never get it to be.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
In a fast break game where you have more possessions,
and so in a game where you're playing limited possessions,
it ensures that the game is always going to be
tight unless you turn it over and they haven't turned
it over. That puts a lot of pressure on the
opponent to have to perform in the fourth quarter, and
the Stellers with their defense, they can close it out.
They have pass rushes in those things. To me, this
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is one of the best opportunities that they have to
kind of sneak into not only the postseason, but to
put themselves in a position where they kind of back
door their way into the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
No one saw that coming in going into the season.
Everybody I need.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
Look, I'm not trying to kind of pick on.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
You, but you did say that Cleveland Browns are a
team that basically could go to the Super Bowl. So
they win the division, they're not even going to finish
five hundred.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
They not.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
I did it, but I also said I also said
that Russell Wilson would have an opportunity game to go
a jacket by being in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
So I'm fifty to fifty.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Right, there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, it's kind
of be better that that guy in Kentucky. But three
point one million dollars on the Eagles, I mean, I
wonder what that guy's doing today.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
We'll see what happens here. But I did mention this.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
I mean, with all of success that the Steelers are having,
and they may end up having even more, I would say, Look,
Arthur Smith is basically the offensive coordinator. The success is
going to create a big loss. What do I mean
by that? Authur Smith could have got a head coaching
job and they lose Arthur Smith. So the success will
become a loss. Right, that's gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (45:24):
To bit Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
I don't know if it happens so quickly for Arthur.
And I think Arthur's done a tremendous job. And you
look back at the Atlanta Falcons situation. Imagine what Arthur
could do if he had had a quarterback. You know,
he never had a quarterback that could kind of bring
some of his ex'es and o's to life. They ran
the football successfully in Atlanta there. He certainly has learned,
because I think everyone who works with the Stellers and
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goes elsewhere they leave with that Stellers blueprint in mind,
and they want to try and replicate that model of
consistency in those things. Look, he's a good candidate and
he should have an opportunity. I don't know if it
happen in Discca, but you never know. They certainly have
done a really good job and surprising people, and that
always gives you a chance.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Okay, speaking of the Steelers, they're hosting the Cleveland Browns
today and back in week number twelve, believe it or not,
in Cleveland, the Steelers lost twenty four to nineteen. It's amazing,
but the reason I think one of the reasons for
that loss was Miles Garrett. Because the left tackle of
the Steelers, Dan Moore Junior, couldn't control Miles Garrett. Miles
Garrett wrecked them. That created a lot of hathock on
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that offensive line. I just think the Steelers is still
a better team. I think that they'll do something today
to fix that, even have the double team if they can.
But I just think the Steelers are a better team.
The weather's going to be cold, the ball control with
Najee Harris running the football, I think the Steelers win
this game. But I think it's gonna be a low
scoring game, though an ugly low scoring game. Maybe a
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turnover a two will be the deal on the winning
or losing situation. But the Steelers win and it means more.
I mean the Browns. Really, a win doesn't do much.
The Steelers are playing right now, not only for playoffs,
but they're playing for like seating.
Speaker 5 (47:05):
Yeah, they're playing.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
I mean they're playing for seeding and all those other things.
But more importantly, man, it's personal. If anyone and our
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Speaker 5 (47:16):
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Speaker 4 (47:17):
The insight that was provided in terms of each of
those organizations, the leadership skills of the coaches, all of that.
It is fascinating to watch. But you're right, this is Look,
it's a personal game. They dropped one on Thursday that
was embarrassing. If you asked them about it, you see
a much better version of the Steelers when they rolled
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it out today.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
You talk about the Steelers, you know what they did
to Cincinnati. They rolled up five hundred and twenty yards
on the Bengals got a four hundred and fourteen yard
pissing day from Russell Wilson. It was amazing what they
did to the Bengals last week.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
It really was. I thought the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Would win, but I didn't think they'd roll up that
kind of offense against them. You know, you talk about
the hard knock. To stay with that for a second,
because I watched that and it was wonderful and I
just saw how tough Mike Tomlin was, I mean just intense.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
And then what was.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Your takeaway from Zach Taylor? Because I like the guy.
He's a good guy, he really is, But as far
as a coach is concerned, I think he leaves something
to be desired. What do you think what's your takeaway
in Zach?
Speaker 4 (48:22):
I think he's different than the rest of his crew.
He definitely is a different type leader and coach than
the rest of the guys. Like there's an edge to
John Harborough, there's an edge to Mike Tomlin that is
a little different than what Zach Taylor presents.
Speaker 5 (48:40):
Now, he has a talented team, He's done a really
good job.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
They went to a Super Bowl, so it's not all that,
But I would just say he's different. He stands out
as the outlier in the group when it comes to
the way that these coaches present themselves to their teams
and the way they kind of walk around in public.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Yeah, I just don't think he has that.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
You don't you have to have a little bit of
a fear factor as a coach, you know, just put
the fear of God into a player at times. If
you have it, maybe maybe it's not your personality. Maybe
Zac can't do it because it's not his personality, you know,
Tom and I think could do it. Really And and
then when a guy scores, he goes, hey, I saw
it coming.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
I knew you'd do that. I mean, it gives you confidence.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
I just you know, sometimes I look at Zach Taylor
on the sidelines looking at a deer in the headlights.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Really, it really does that to me.
Speaker 4 (49:29):
Look, he's different, he's a different guy. Like he's a
kind of gent little soul than some of the other guys.
But he's an effective coach. You can't deny what he's doing.
I do worry about but here.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
He should be doing more with the talent that he has.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
Yeah, a little bit, but they have some holes. Yeah
he should, he should.
Speaker 5 (49:49):
He should do that.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
And look, I won't even say defensely. I think offensively
they could help them on defense. Here's the underrated move
that people don't talk about. They got rid of Joe Mixon.
Have you looked at what Joe Mixon is doing right
down in Houston and so Joe mix and being able
to control the clock, being able to run the ball
consistently between the tackles, being able to allow the Cincinnati
Bingals offense to stay on the field so now they
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can protect their defense and not have them play so
many snaps.
Speaker 5 (50:15):
All of it works together.
Speaker 4 (50:16):
But yeah, I mean there's some talent issues, but there's
also some coaching stuff.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Yeah, let me stay with that for a second.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Yeah, they got rid of Joe Mixon, and certainly he
could use the running game, and Moss has not done
anything that got hurt, so I get that. But I
think that Cincinnati Bengals offense was built on Joe Burrow
Jamar Chase. That's basically it not that much of a
run game. That's why they got rid of it. And
I think on the money factor was also one of
the reasons he's gone. And he fits in nicely in
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Uston with the Texas, he really does. But I don't
think he was part of the system in Cincinnati because
it's a past first run second system.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
Yeah, and I understand that you want to do what
your quarterback does really well, but there are things that
you can do to all so control the game. And
given Joe Burrow's injury history.
Speaker 5 (51:04):
Maybe we want.
Speaker 4 (51:05):
Joe Burrow to be superhero seventeen weeks out the season.
Maybe we want to dialt that back where we can
lean on other parts of the offense to win. And
maybe Joe Burrow only needs to be a superhero eight
times a year. However that goes. But it shouldn't be
all on him to have to do everything. That's a
tough way to live, you know, Like in terms of
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your team living and down with one player, they could
balance it out a little bit.
Speaker 5 (51:29):
And if you had a more balance.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
Lineup rostering those things, yeah, you'd be able to protect
the defense and not expose them to so many big
players opportunities.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
I'm carrying the banner for Joe Burrow and what do
I mean by that. He's leading the NFL statistically for
quarterbacks and Jamar Chase is leading for receivers. And if
I had to vote, I would vote for Joe Burrow
for MVP.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
I really would.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
I know there is not a losing team, but in
baseball there have been guys that have won the MVP
last place teams. Ony Banks won or twice in the
Chicago Cubs. This is going back in history but you
gotta look at your history books. And then the Chicago
Clubs finished last twice when only Banks won the MVP.
If people were honest and truthful, they would vote for
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Joe Burrow as the MVP.
Speaker 3 (52:16):
Do you agree.
Speaker 4 (52:17):
I can't. I can't have him in an MVP discussion.
I can't. He goes against everything. It goes against everything
that we talk about. The most valuable thing. He could
be like an offensive Player of the Year candidate or
anything like that.
Speaker 5 (52:29):
But I can't put him up there.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
And I can respect what he's done, but in terms
of MVP, I think it has to rather a direct
impact on winning. To me, the MVP guys would be
Sakuon Barkley, who to me, he should be the clear
front runner and it shouldn't be close.
Speaker 5 (52:44):
There's a lot of.
Speaker 4 (52:44):
Josh Allen love that's out there on the streets, but
Josh Allen's numbers paler comparisons to the numbers that he
had previously, like his passing number of production.
Speaker 5 (52:53):
All that stuff is down.
Speaker 4 (52:54):
The team is winning, and we're kind of building out
this narrative of him kind of being the hero to
save today. But when you look at it, his numbers
Josh Allen's numbers and even Lamar Jackson's number in terms
of overall impact, they peel in comparison to what Saquon
Barkley is doing.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
I hear what you're saying. Okay, I'm gonna move on
to the Jets Dolphins. The Jets have lost eight of
the last nine and they blew a fourteen point lead
to Seattle last week, so they're pretty ugly. And Aaron Rodgers,
the situation is, I guess he's gonna come back. He
said he's going to play in New York, So I
don't know if that means he's gonna play for the
Jets or maybe go to the Giants. But I don't
know how you build a team around the forty one
year old quarterback.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
I just don't know that.
Speaker 5 (53:29):
I just it's over. It's over, finished, and he is over.
Speaker 4 (53:32):
No one wants to know about it, Like, look, I
just saw it happen a couple of weeks ago with
my but loved head coach Mack Brown. Sometimes when they
don't know that it's over, you got to push them
to let them know that it's over. And if you're
the New York Jets, you tell them, yeah, man, it's over.
Speaker 5 (53:47):
We did it.
Speaker 4 (53:47):
We appreciate it, we appreciate your efforts, but we're moving
on because it has over nothing. Yeah, nothing positive has
come out of this for the New York Jets since
Aaron Rodgers has awrved.
Speaker 5 (53:57):
It is almost as if he's a black player out.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
They were more successful with Zach Wilson and Sam Darnold
than Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
You're exactly right.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
You're exactly right, and it's over, and there's seasons over
to three and nine. They'll be three and ten today.
But again, the Dolphins have a glimmer of hope to
go to the postseason at five and seven, so we'll
see what happens there. And last, but not least, let
me stick with this Jacksonville Jaguars at the Titans.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
And you know, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Take it easy on you right now because I would
say it's one of those Mike North gains where if
it was in the backyard, you close to curtains, you
don't want to watch it. But the Jags are two
and ten, the Titans are three and nine, there's no
really reason to watch it. I'm sure you'll be watching
that game. You might even be there are you.
Speaker 4 (54:39):
There, I'm there, Yeah, I'm asteral Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
I would say this the Titans. They get this about
the Titans thone. They rushed the ball eleven times for
thirty five yards last Sunday and they are twelve penalties
for thirty nine yards. So I would say just by
that stat alone, things look promising for the Jacks today,
they look well okay, But honestly, what they had with
Trevor Lawrence when that guy what Shire right, but he
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put that hit on Trevor last week that was ugly.
That was bad and he should be suspended for the
rest of the season. It was a bad hit.
Speaker 4 (55:14):
So I don't know if you should be suspended for
the rest of the season. Look, look, I'll even say
this from my vantage point right because I had some
commentary on it lining up with the Jaguars. And here's
what happens when you allow the narrative get out there
and you don't control the narrative.
Speaker 5 (55:30):
When the Texans made the distinct in.
Speaker 4 (55:34):
The fuss over him, said the Jaguars overreacted said it. Look,
it was a late slide and Tom Brady weighed in
on a late slide and all this stuff, and there
are times when like quarterbacks do toe the line.
Speaker 5 (55:46):
That was not a time.
Speaker 4 (55:48):
Elscher here had him lined up and he took his shot.
I think the more disappointing part is in a game
like that, which is very much like baseball, Man, if
you throw high and tight and you happen to hit
so say you the Yankees, and the opposing team happens
to hit Juan So though, well, you know, the next
person for the opponent proposing teams come up, they're gonna
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get whizzed, chin checked, high and tight. That's just the
unwritten code. The disappointment is that when a team not
only hits your quarterback, but they put your quarterback to sleep.
They knocked him out the game Andy, and there was, yeah,
the little initial melee, but the game never became the
kind of contentious game that it should. It didn't have
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the tension over it that it should. And even after
the game when you go and shake hands or like
one you shake hands or whatever. But it should be
a personal fever pitch rivalry from now to the end
of time, because that is a personal dirty shot. It
should it should spark the kind of disdain four opponents
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that allows you to have a different energy when you
play against these teams.
Speaker 3 (56:56):
How is he? How is Trevor right now?
Speaker 5 (56:59):
He's doing okay, they put them on.
Speaker 4 (57:00):
I can have surgery on his shoulder so he can
be back fully returned to health.
Speaker 5 (57:06):
But yeah, like that's over. So you see mac Jones
from here.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
When it comes to Jaguars, he's had a rough couple
of years since he's been to the NFL.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
He really has coaching.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
Changes, offensive coordinated changes, I mean, injuries.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
It's just bad team.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
It's just really you feel bad for the guy because
he came into the league really herald. It is going
to be like the next Dan Marino, I mean, the
next superstar, next Joe Montana. Really right, I just and
it may still happen in my but now coming off
this injury, boy, I tell you it's not good. It
really isn't good. But I do have another question for you.
All right, what you got Here's the deal. I live
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in the greatest Cincinnati area and I follow the Bengals.
Now there's a real good chance that they're not going
to make the playoffs and mathematically eliminated yet, and if
they lose tomorrow night in Dallas, they probably will be
mathematically eliminated. The question is this, If you are the coach,
do you sit with coming off the injury of Trevor Lawrence?
Do you sit Joe Burrow the rest of the year
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because you're afraid he may get hurt for next season
You're going nowhere anyway? Do you bench him and Jamar
Chase and say, look the heck with it, the season's over,
We're not going to play this guy.
Speaker 3 (58:15):
What do you do now?
Speaker 2 (58:16):
Burrow probably would want to play, But if I'm a coach,
you know, and then again, here's the other side of
the coin. If I'm the coach, I might be in
the hot seat. And if I lose every game the
rest of their way without Joe Burrow, I may get
can So maybe I do want to play Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (58:30):
What do you do?
Speaker 4 (58:32):
You want to play Joe Burrow? You want to try
and build some momentum going into the next year. You
want to re kindle some of the positive things that
have been part of the franchise for years. You want
to challenge yourself to see if you can finish strong,
can you be about what you always preach about?
Speaker 5 (58:47):
All that stuff? So, yeah, Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4 (58:49):
Has to show up the coaching coaches, and everyone has
to show up and show up with the right attitude.
They got to show up to win. That's the expectation.
So now you can't relent on that. If you can't
succumb to the emotions of you gotta stay strong. You
gotta continue to build it out because that's the only
way your team is going to develop the toughness needed
to be a perennial title contender.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
What if management tells the coaching staff, I don't want
them to play, there goes the fear of injury. I mean,
what if Mike Brown says to Zach Taylor, I don't
care what you have in your heart of hearts, he's
not playing.
Speaker 3 (59:19):
Were paying big money. I don't want him hurt down
the stretch.
Speaker 4 (59:23):
Then what you do is you get this backup reading
and you just talk about it. You're transparent with your
team about a here's situation. Ownership wants to protect the quarterback.
We're gonna leave the quarterback out and we're gonna play
with who we got, But whoever plays, when they step
on the field, we expect to win and play it
a certain standard.
Speaker 5 (59:38):
So now that doesn't change anything.
Speaker 2 (59:41):
And you would know this in fact that if, in
fact they do bench several starters, does the NFL come
in here and say something, because it's so sort of
looks like it's tanking in a sense.
Speaker 3 (59:52):
But with the NFL have anything to say about that,
I mean.
Speaker 4 (59:55):
It would have to be egregious, like it would have
to be like obvious. But we've seen people do that
at the end of the year, like last game of
the year. Can't see the Chiefs when Pat Mahomes got
his first start, it was all the backups. It's not unprecedented.
Some people do that, you know, but football is different
because you only have fifty three fifty four bodies. You
gotta you know, when you start putting some guys up,
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it's still is not enough to completely flip how your
first and second teams will operate.
Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
All right, sounds good to me. We roll on right now.
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Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
That's next.
Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
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are live from the tire rack dot Com studios. Let's
get into this right now. We got the Seahawks at
the Cardinals. The Seahawks who would have funked this NFL
leaders in the West. How surprising is that, mister Brooks. Unbelievable, Really,
(01:01:46):
I can't believe it.
Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
No, They've done a really good job of kind of
coming back finding their way. They lost a couple of
games guy side track, but now they're back on it.
And the thing that makes the Seahawks a big wild
card is defensively they can play with anybody, but offensively,
Gino Smith is a streaky pass it but when he
is on man, their offense is a thing of beauty
to watch. They got three wide receivers that can create problems.
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DK Metcalf, Tyler Locke, Att, JSN Jackson, Smith and Jigba.
They can run the football. They can do some really
creative things. It's just a matter of getting their quarterback
to play at a high level consistently. But this team
is fun to watch and up the teams in the West.
They're the best team in the West. They just have
to define that consistency. So we'll see if they can
get that done.
Speaker 5 (01:02:31):
Well.
Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
It's a big one today there seven and five.
Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
The Cardinals are six and six, and several weeks ago
in Seattle, the Cardinals won that game sixteen to six.
So they really need this one now. The Seattle they
won last week, they won three straight. They won last
week against the Jets. They came back from fourteen down.
They've been in twenty six to twenty one. Defensive end
for the Seahawks. Leonard Williams, just like Gino Smith and
an ex Jet two X Jets helped that win last
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week and let it. Williams with a sixth pick in
the twenty fifteen draft. He had a pair of sacks
against his former team last week, so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
He also had a ninety.
Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Two yard picked six against Aaron Rodgers, so we'll see
what they do today. But again, the Seahawks had eight
snaps inside the Jets five yard line last week on
the first drive of the second half, but they failed
to score as Gino Smith was sacked for a fifteen
yard loss on fourth and goal from the one. They
got to do better today, less mistakes. They got to
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get it done today. Big win, big win today because
they will be eight and five, Cardinals will be six
and seven.
Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Get them out of there. But if they lose.
Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Seven and six and Cardinals seven to six, so it's
a big game for both and the game is at Arizona,
So what happens now? Cardinals have not allowed a touchdown
in their last three home games, and look, a lot
of the betters are picking the Cardinals to win.
Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
Look, it's a competitive game. But when I think about
the talent.
Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
The Cardinals just falls short a little bit on talent,
particular defenseven they don't have an established pass rusher. They're
talented enough. I mean, they're good enough on offense to
be able to put up points. But it puts a
lot of pressure on caller Murray to play at a
high level. So we'll see how this goes. But it
should be a very competitive game when we get down
to it.
Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Yeah, I think this game right now is all about
Geno smith you know, is he consistent or will he
be wild? That's the key today. I really believe that.
I mean, forget about the past rush and figured about
everything else, and forget about the great receivers there. I
just think it's all about Geno Smiths today. I mean,
putting a lot of pressure on him, but he's he
could throw the game away and that's the key right there.
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I think it is the key, and you got to
be able to get it done. You got to be
able to find a way to get it done for sure.
All Right, now, let's talk about this MVP thing because
the Bills are playing at the Rams today and that
secondary because the MVP. Right now, they're sizing up the
league MVP candidates with the betting odds, and right now,
Josh Allen is minus two fifty ahead of Sae Kwon
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Barkley who's plus four hundred. Jared Goff has plus nine hundred,
Lamar Jackson plus eleven hundred, Patrick Mahomes plus fourteen hundred.
On the odds of plus four hundred, that better could
win that amount of the wages one hundred dollars. All right,
I don't understand how after one week everything changes. Just
Saquon Barkley did not get any worse. I mean, Josh Allen,
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that was the favorite. I think they're pour thing towards
Josh Allen over Saquon Barkley because the last time it
running back won the MVP was Adrian Peterson way back
in twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Is kind of a quarterback trophy.
Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
I mean, it is a quarterback trophy, but it's annoying
because if it's gonna be the MVP and the most
valuable player, the most impactful player. I don't know how
you can't say that Saquon Barkley. It falls short when
you look at his performance. If we're just looking at
the performance, then what you want is the quarterback who wins.
It should be like crushing it. When it comes to
the numbers, Josh Allen's numbers, aren't they fail in comparison
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to the numbers that he put up when he probably
could have and maybe should have won the MVP a
few years back.
Speaker 5 (01:05:58):
I don't know what's different now. I think it's the perception, right.
Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
It's a better feel good story for Josh Allen, the
redemption story, like, oh, we lost two of our receivers
and everyone said we're not going to be a playoff
team and law and behold, here we are.
Speaker 5 (01:06:12):
We're doing it.
Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
But the numbers don't support Josh Allen being the primary
reason why they're doing it. He is terrific, But I'm
saying this is not an MVP year if we're talking
about the standard. Just like last year when Lamar Jackson won,
he won, but it's because he's a quarterback or team
that was hot or whatever. Those numbers weren't the numbers
that you normally expect of an MVP, and we just
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have to be careful that we don't get so locked
into giving the award to a quarterback that we miss
other players that are performing at MVP levels at different positions.
Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
I'm with you one thousand percent. And the reason why
they're doing it is because they developed a running game.
That's the key right there for the Buffalo Bills. Yeah,
he's doing well and the team is doing very well.
At ten and two, the Rams of six and six,
and the thing is today and today's game, you will
see that it's not old Josh Allen, What do I
mean by that? The Rams are terrible against the run.
So you look right now, the Bills are gonna run
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and that's gonna be James Cook. He should be able
to run against the Rams. As a matter of fact,
the Rams struggled so much against the run. They gave
up two hundred and fifty five yards to Saquon Barkley
back in week number twelve. Okay, obviously, can the Rams
defensive backstop Amari Cooper back? I don't know. I don't
think they can. But it's all about the running game,
you know. And if James Cook gets the ball in
his belly and he runs the football. He could run
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for a buck and a half today he can and
we'll see what happened. And honestly, the game plan should
be give him the ball.
Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
He should have twenty five to thirty carries today.
Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
I mean, the running game is better for everybody. Bounces,
everybody out, creates big time opportunities. It's just a matter
of being able to display the patience and discipline to
do it. And when you do that, good things happen.
But everyone's not built to do that. Some people build
on the running game immediately and it becomes basically a
seven or seven game, you know where you thrown it
(01:07:59):
all over the York. But when they run the football,
it gives them a much better chance of winning and
winning consistently against the heavyweights.
Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Yeah, when this schedule came out back whenever, June, July, whatever,
you know, Bill's Rams would have been a key game.
Right now, it's almost like a whole home game. I mean,
the Bills should win, not by a lot, but I
think the Bills are the better team right now. And
I just I don't see a lot of great games
in the National Football League, as I said at the
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top of the show back at the six am Eastern.
You know, the college game is more competitive in a
week two week basis than the National Football League. You know,
I may be mistaken, but I look at the Lions,
I look at the Chiefs, I look at the Bills,
the Eagles, and other than that, maybe the Vikings to
some extent, and also the Steelers, but you know.
Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
There's still a shade below.
Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
But those are basically the teams that are the competitive
teams in this league. The rest of the games, you know,
the whole home games I look at, like Bear forty
nine is Saints Giants waste the time. I mean, really
and truly, they're not competitive. I don't know if that's
a cycle the NFL is going through, as I don't
remember the league being like that all the time. There's
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always been a handful of good games every week.
Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
It's not that way right now. It really isn't.
Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
Yeah, I mean it's it's different. Yeah, it's it's not
the same. But like you have these ebbs and flows,
like it is, it's a cycle. And so I expected
to get back to what we just talked about, how
we expected to be played. But it's a cycle just
kinda kind of work through.
Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
That I should have put Green Bay in that group too.
Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
I think green Bay's is one of the top teams too,
I really do.
Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
They're gonna go for the part how far how far?
Speaker 5 (01:09:45):
Well?
Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
I would say Lions, Lions Bills, and Kansas City and Eagles.
Those four are like hidden shoulders above the rest of
the crew. And then you got Viking, Steelers and maybe
Green Bay and then group.
Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
Yes, no, I mean where we can put them at
it like it's the same for like Lions Bills. Actually,
I think you can put the Eagles maybe even ahead
of both of those teams. Maybe the Eagles are the
best team in football, and then the Chiefs are there,
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and then it's a Hodgepots because like the Minnesota Vikings
have been disrespected, but they deserve to be in the conversation,
like they can go just ease. They played a very
competitive game where they just I mean they find ways
to win, so they can be in the conversation. The
Pittsburgh Steelers are another team they could be in a conversation.
Speaker 5 (01:10:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
The elite circle is small when it comes to the
teams that I really guard. It is really the only
one or two teams like Detroit would be in that conversation.
The Eagles are in their conversation. I don't see the
Buffalo Bills as like elite, like the best of the
best of the best.
Speaker 5 (01:11:02):
Maybe maybe they can change my mind.
Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Okay, I'm going to give you another group, the disappointing group,
the group that I really expected a lot more from
and nothing's happening over there. Okay, I'm looking at the
Houston Texans or in that group. Cleveland Browns are in
that group. The Cincinnati Bengals, the La Rams, and the
San Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 4 (01:11:25):
Forty diners are probably the biggest disappointment to me. And
the reason I'm not going to use the injury factor
is if no, no, no, I think that's a bill out right.
I think people that are appointing to that that's a
bill out These issues that they had persisted long before
people got hurt. Going back to the off season in
the summer, Brandon Aiyuk and all of the guys that
(01:11:45):
were kind of complaining and about the money thing.
Speaker 5 (01:11:48):
It hurt them.
Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
It was a team that was disjointed, and you know
Brandon and i Yuk not getting his money, Trent Williams
missing camp trying to wait for his money. They do
pay Christiy mccaffrom caffrey voluntarily, but then that creates another
set of issues that no one ever acknowledged. But the
locker room dynamics looking say, how the Christian McCaffrey get
his money but everyone else is waiting, you know, like
(01:12:11):
just that, and then brock parity, brock Perty has to
feel some kind of way he can't get paid. But
now people went from talking about paying him fifty six
million dollars to like, oh, maybe they need to move
on and he needs to prove it. So there's a
lot of discord that exists within the team before you
even get to the field, and people start criticizing how
everyone is playing individually and collectively.
Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
Yeah, it's just recipe for disaster.
Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
I think the average joe like myself, who never played
the game, cannot really and truly relate to that problem.
But I see it from a distance, and you've shown
me that it's in San Francisco, but it's rolled over
to the Cincinnati with Jamar Chase and way back during
training camp when he'd be on the sidelines and not
play and talked about the money, and he has two
years left on his contract.
Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
He was asked just the other day at a news.
Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Conference Herecinnati, what about next year. We'll see, I mean Cohen.
That doesn't bode well for guys that play with him.
And there was also problems with Trey Hendrickson. You know,
in the middle of July he said he wasn't going
to play. That he came back and he's playing. So
I think that does course, when you say at discord
with the team, you know, another player say look, we
(01:13:19):
need this guy to play. Why don't you pay the guy.
They're paying Joe Burrow big money. You're not going to
pay Jamar Chase. So I think there's a trickle down
effect that I think it does effect play on the
field and team morale and team chemistry.
Speaker 4 (01:13:33):
Yeah, it does one hundred percent effect morale and team
chemistry and those things. You got to be on the
same page. You got to be locked in. And even
though we talk about pro sports being one where you
got fifty three CEOs, individual contractors operating their own entities,
you still have to come together if you want to
win and win at a high level, and they haven't
done it. Look It's one of the challenges of when
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you go to the Super Bowl and you lose it,
it's hard to kind of put Humpty dumpty back together again.
Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
That's what happened to the Ravens when they went to
Super Bowl way back when with Joe Flappo.
Speaker 5 (01:14:04):
It's hard.
Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
It is such a hard deal to come back the
next year because you put you four so much into
this the Super Bowl year, right, so much. You've done everything,
you sacrifice or whatever, and you didn't get the reward.
And so then to think that you got to go
all the way back and grind to that same degree,
hard to pull off, hard feet to accomplish.
Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
There we go.
Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
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Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
What's up?
Speaker 7 (01:15:01):
How are we doing?
Speaker 5 (01:15:02):
Guys?
Speaker 7 (01:15:02):
What's your beef with the Chipmunks? Man?
Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
I love Alvin, I get.
Speaker 7 (01:15:08):
Him, and I get it.
Speaker 8 (01:15:09):
Sometimes it gets annoying, all right, guys, Bucky is back
to his former self.
Speaker 7 (01:15:14):
When it's hathy about that.
Speaker 8 (01:15:17):
I mean, I'm trying to get excited when you know
it's the same thing every week. You need to be
excited about something, So I just I try to keep
the fans engaged. You know, Andy, I'm sorry I had
to call you out there, but hey, whoa you decided
to call me out?
Speaker 7 (01:15:31):
Come on? Come on?
Speaker 8 (01:15:33):
But Andy, you did win the one about the Malayana too.
Malyanna two did not end up hitting three hundred in
the weekend, but it is hitting six hundred million after
two weeks, so that's a pretty big deal. Which it
is now leading out of all of the Disney Thanksgiving
drops and actually out of any Thanksgiving movie drop it
is leading. So a little fun fact for you guys
(01:15:53):
before we get into this one.
Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
So yeah, I've seen Wicked. Have you gone to see week?
Speaker 8 (01:15:56):
I have not seen Wicked yet. I might go see
it next week with a lady friend of mine, but
we'll see if I get forced to do that or not.
Speaker 7 (01:16:04):
I really don't want to.
Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
I mean, I'm not a big one.
Speaker 8 (01:16:07):
I mean I like theater and all that, but I
just I don't think I would enjoy Wicked, to be
quite honest.
Speaker 7 (01:16:13):
But hey, I'm just being honest. Did you see it?
Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
Not yet?
Speaker 7 (01:16:17):
Okay, Bucky, you see it.
Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
I've not seen it.
Speaker 8 (01:16:21):
I've not seen it, So it's I feel like it's
the same thing with you guys. But let's get right
into Bucky is four and one after last week. Overall
is Andy twenty seven. Bucky is thirty three.
Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
I'm in striking distance.
Speaker 7 (01:16:33):
You are, really? You are?
Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
You are?
Speaker 8 (01:16:34):
You're in striking distance. We could even say a touchdown away,
but we'll see. In the Italian Volleyball Super League, Modana
is taking on Milano today December eighth, at ten am
Pacific Standard time. Modena is minus one fifty five while
Milano is a plus one ten. Let's take it to
the champ Bucky.
Speaker 4 (01:16:51):
Oh, let's go Mondana, Let's go Mandana right up the gate, easy,
go ahead and get them.
Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Andy, isn't that a beer? That's the name of a beer, Modena.
Speaker 7 (01:16:59):
Modello is what you're thinking? You know if I think
it was close?
Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
Okay, Milano, Milano, Milano.
Speaker 7 (01:17:06):
Yeah, you got Milana.
Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Then there was an actress name Milana, wasn't there What
was the first name.
Speaker 7 (01:17:10):
I was thinking of, like those those cookie brands. You
know what I'm talking about? Milano?
Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Well, whatever it is, I got Milano.
Speaker 8 (01:17:16):
In the f I d E World Chess Championship Singapore
twenty twenty four, defending world champ ding Lyren is taking
on challenger Gukesh. Not going to say his last name
right now. Goukesh is minus two eighty while ding Lyren
is plus one ninety.
Speaker 7 (01:17:34):
Let's take it, Andy, I.
Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Would take Goukesha one thing. If you could pronounce his
last name, then I'll take him.
Speaker 8 (01:17:41):
Pronounces last night, I got you, give me, give me,
let me, let me d o m m A r
A g u j Ummorrow.
Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Looks like looks like an eight chot when I spell
it out, Ma mari raju. I got gooketchke.
Speaker 8 (01:17:57):
Good ketch And then ding Lyren is the other one.
If you wanted to remember the name Bucky.
Speaker 5 (01:18:01):
I got okay, let's go, I got to go.
Speaker 7 (01:18:04):
Can't you can't? I love it? So in the Floorball
Men's Championship.
Speaker 8 (01:18:10):
Floor ball is basically yeah, so it's basically a hockey
kind of game, but they play it with on it's
not on ice, it's just on a normal hardwood floor.
And then the stick is a little different and there.
Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
Is no skates, just running around.
Speaker 8 (01:18:22):
No skates, They're just running around and they can't really
deck each other or anything in it, so it's a
little safer. Australia is taking on Philippines right now. Australia's
minus one ten while Philippines is plus one fifty.
Speaker 7 (01:18:34):
That's take it a Bucky, give me, give me, give
me things again.
Speaker 5 (01:18:38):
Name again.
Speaker 7 (01:18:39):
It's Australian and Philippines. Oh Australia, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
He says it was such confidence it scares me. How
do you know that Australia is pretty good in floorball?
I mean really, when do they play this? Some guy's kitchen?
Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
I mean really, what do you play?
Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Floorball is an arena and people think tickets to watch.
Speaker 4 (01:18:59):
Looking at run now, looking at the rundown the night before,
trying to do a little research.
Speaker 5 (01:19:03):
I mean a professional.
Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
I don't get that. I don't got I'll come in,
hit Cole. I got filled the Philippines, the Philippines.
Speaker 7 (01:19:10):
Hey, going in Cole can help you too. Sometimes I'll
buy it Google.
Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Don't want to Google floor ball?
Speaker 7 (01:19:15):
Look at up right now? Look it up. See how
they're doing.
Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
Where's it play? Do you have to buy a ticket
to go?
Speaker 8 (01:19:20):
I mean really, it's the same, like the same fields
as the soccer indoor soccer fields. I think it's the
same exact ones as those. So really, if that gives
you any are you in Australia, Philippines?
Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Which one I got? The Philippines?
Speaker 7 (01:19:33):
You got Philippine.
Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
I've on a team and a goalkeeper.
Speaker 8 (01:19:35):
Okay, we gotta do this quick, guys. And the women's
handball you're being a championship. Montenegro is playing Poland today.
Montenegro is min four hundred, Poland is plus four twenty five.
Andy Poland, Poland, Bucky Poland.
Speaker 7 (01:19:47):
Bag We got it. Good luck next week, Let's ride.
Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
Swollen dome next right here?
Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
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Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
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Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
Everything's beautiful, every great one.
Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Yes see, that's a lot of positivity.
Speaker 9 (01:21:18):
Is just kidding now, I got to figure out how
to jack you up a little bit as I've been
waiting in the wings, you know, you know, like a
caged animal, waiting for the microphone to open and the
red light to come on in the studio, Mark and
Shay making us sound so pretty this morning. The idea
I heard you Andy kind of lamenting what we have
in terms of an NFL schedule, six teams on a bye,
(01:21:42):
the Wizards. That are six teams on a bye in
Week fourteen of your National Football League Denver, Indianapolis, New England, Washington,
Baltimore and Houston. A lot of big time players, a
lot of fantasy holes blown blown open in lineups because
(01:22:02):
of this in what is the final week of the
regular season for a lot of fantasy teams. Bucky, you
know this as well as anybody in terms of the
chaos that that that ensues they're in, which means, hey.
Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
We're looking at Mac Jones. We like Mac Jones.
Speaker 9 (01:22:16):
I don't know, Cooper Rush Monday Night football, but that's
where I want to start. Because of all the games,
here's what might be the most interesting thing of it all.
We have a Simpsons game on Monday night for your Bengals,
Andy Furman.
Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Right, look, I'm sure if they could have flexed that game,
they would have flexed it.
Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
It was too late. They couldn't get it out of there.
Speaker 9 (01:22:37):
But I well, they couldn't because of the money spent
on the Simpsons voice out over actors and overlays.
Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
And I think because of the poor records.
Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
And I'm gonna be kind here of both Bengals and
Cowboys and really no future for them as far as
players are concerned. I may watch the Simpsons version of
the game.
Speaker 9 (01:22:57):
See that was that was the big question of it.
Bucky could I could I get him to go that route?
And he just jumped straight there look out, resigned and defeated.
Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
He was about it.
Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
I guarantee you will turn around it well, just to
see it, to see what it's like.
Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Yeah. The last generations of these have been great.
Speaker 9 (01:23:15):
Curiosity factor, right, the Andy's Room, the SpongeBob, all of
the different the slime games. They've all been pretty fantastic
with little wrinkles along the way, And you're trying to
reach different audiences with the Simpsons, if they really allowed
these guys to go full in and I don't know,
if you've watched the Simpsons the last couple of years,
you know they sometimes the language gets a little salty
(01:23:38):
for you. So I'm in especially when we're looking at
this these squads. But they bring ratings, right, people still
want to watch Joe Burrow and certainly the Cowboys. That
brand is still strong and they can have an actual
winning streak here, Bucky, how about that?
Speaker 4 (01:23:55):
Look, I mean, look, it's important to stack them together
and all wins matter, and you want to be doing that,
like it's important. You do all the work to get
into it. Why not win games? So I'm with you.
Speaker 9 (01:24:06):
Look, well, let's stay with that game for a second,
because what we've had over the course of the last
week is anybody who could step forward that has had
a microphone.
Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Including players on the team.
Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Right.
Speaker 9 (01:24:16):
Micah Parsons has been very loud and vocal of oh
I can't have a podcast and play well. But he's
the latest to throw his hat into the ring talking
about Hey, Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
We need continuity, we need to run it back.
Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
Quote.
Speaker 9 (01:24:30):
I think I would like a fair shot with everyone back, players, coaches,
because the injuries kind of struck of what this season
really could be. Injuries have been terrible. As you know,
it really sucks seeing Zach d Law not having the year.
I know he planned to have such a great he
had such a great start, et cetera. In terms of
coaching coach Mike me, his relations has always been really good.
(01:24:53):
He's taken really good care of me. I just don't
know how the business side, if it's going to go.
You know, Jerry as his own mindset who he wants
to coach, and this is his team. I'm just kind
of like and I like this, recognizing I'm appalling in
this business.
Speaker 5 (01:25:09):
Yeah, I mean that is I mean that is. That
is true.
Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
And if you go back, and here's what I'll say
about my Maricarth that they went three straight years, would
have had twelve wins.
Speaker 5 (01:25:19):
You shouldn't take that lightly. The fact that it was
a mess when he inherited, because.
Speaker 4 (01:25:22):
They were there, they were plateau, they were just kind
of leveled out. He makes them better for sure, And
then you know, this year I would say that it's
not his problem.
Speaker 5 (01:25:32):
I don't know how they were gonna win.
Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
Games with Rico Daldell at tailback, who we didn't know.
They have one wide receiver in Cdee Lamb. As much
as we talk about this team, and I'll say it,
if you said enough, you begin to believe it. Right
if you tell everyone that the Cowboys are Super Bowl contenders,
because it's automatic clip bait or it draws in the
listeners after.
Speaker 5 (01:25:51):
A while, we believe it.
Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
But when you really look at the way this team
is constructed, they ain't a super Bowl contender, and they
weren't a Super Bowl contended at the beginning. And so
we the uniform, the brand, which is something Andy and
I talked about. The Alabama brand and the Cowboys brand
are the same. We like Evman in there because it
fosters discussions. But look, no one should have realistically expected
(01:26:12):
Mike McCarthy and his crew UH to compete and compete
at a high level.
Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
Can I say one thing, please, coach, just clear the
dust for a second. I know Dak Prescott said he
wants McCarthy the return. Michael Parson says, you know, he's
he's my guy. I wanted to return. Here's the deal.
What player in his right mind, what employee of any
company would drop a diamond that boss?
Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
Anyway? Think about it, Well, you watched.
Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
The Bears players do it for weeks ahead of eber.
Speaker 9 (01:26:37):
Flu Nothing, No Andy go back, and I promise you
it was interview after interview with local radio TV wherever
they could go, and sideswipe the coaching at every level
they did.
Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
They I've read some of that, and it was more
of like, you know, we question what we're doing. But
it wasn't out and out saying I but Flew's gone.
No one really said we need to fire the coach.
Speaker 9 (01:27:03):
Well, I mean, we're all smart enough to pick up
the breads or maybe dumb enough to pick them up.
Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
But they won't make that gets late.
Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
But they'll look on ex shows, but no one's that
all come right out and say, yeah, we'll do better
if we get rid of our head coach.
Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
It doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
It's the same thing if you work for Proctor and
Gamble and say they're ready to the stock is low,
and they asked some in plays, well we.
Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
Know what we need to get a new CEO. No
one does that.
Speaker 9 (01:27:27):
Well, yeah, but nowadays you can do that all and say,
you know, anonymously because we get to use the words
of source really liberally in anything we do here.
Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
But I think it also goes back to it.
Speaker 9 (01:27:39):
And there's a promo running Smith and I talking about
Ryan Day right where we get all that outrage, and
we talked about it a bit last week. It's like,
what are you going into the marketplace that's better now?
I certainly don't, you know, hold them as the grand
poohba of guys. And I've said this and Sean Payton's
having a fantastic year, Mike Tomlin's having a fantastic year,
(01:27:59):
but those Super Bowls are long in the rear view mirror,
right everybody else we do the what have you done
for me lately? This isn't good enough. We need a
different level. But there's also the reality of hey, over
there is an unproven coordinator. Over there is a guy
that maybe looking to get his second shot or third
shot at a head coaching job. And as you said, Bucky,
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you got three straight years of twelve wins, and anybody
that really looked at this roster, it's like, okay, they
might be in a playoff mix. If things break right.
But at no point was there anything they did to
improve said roster that made you think that they were
going to be real contenders again unless everybody else gets
(01:28:42):
hurt and has the you know, get smited by the
football gods, which has not happened. So what had instead
was the Cowboys with an inferior roster also still had
the number of injuries that piled up to put them
in the position that they're in.
Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
You know, I'm really glad that you brought up the
two term injuries, all right, because there are stats for
everything in the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
How fast a quarterback releases the.
Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Football, you know, how far, you know, how many seconds
it takes them to drop back. But I've never seen
a stat as to how many injuries there are from
year to year. And why I bring that up is
because right now they have a seventeen game schedule looking
for an eighteen game one, which.
Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
I'm sure is going to happen.
Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
And it's kind of like going through a Broadway show
and paying good money and seeing the undercard the understudies.
Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
Really I don't want to see that. I do want
to see the main players.
Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
And the more games you play, the more opportunities for
injuries to occur. And I get it that football is
a very dangerous sport and there's going to be injuries,
but obviously the risk factor raises very much when you
have more games to play. So I don't know why
they're doing Look, I know why, it's money, obviously, But
the point is this, I don't want to see backups.
(01:29:51):
I don't want to see the mac joneses other world.
I don't want to see that. I really I want
to see the frontline players. And if I'm paying frontline
money for season tickets, I think it's it's Beho's me
and be Who's somebody to make sure these guys are playing?
Speaker 4 (01:30:05):
Yeah, but look, injuries happen. And one of the things
you do when you add another game, you add additional buy.
We can you create more roster spots. Look, all of
this is in the works, Okay. So we've saw practice
squads go from seven to now there's sixteen guys that
you can hold.
Speaker 5 (01:30:23):
Look, those sixteen.
Speaker 4 (01:30:24):
Practice squad spots may eventually turn into sixteen real roster spots, okay,
And so they're preparing to get ready for that because
it's going to be a boom there's a reason why
games are on Netflix, there's a reason why we're seeing
more games on Prime. We're doing all these special little
things because it's another gateway to make more money. And
like it or not, throwdat player health and safety, all
(01:30:47):
that stuff out the window. It is about money and
business and those things. And so we're gonna see an
expanded thing. We're gonna do it. And look, we can't
protect the quarterback anymore because the only one they really
worry about when it comes to injuries the quarterback. Everybody else,
I mean, you can play around, but the quarterback is
where they're protected.
Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
But it's gonna happen, right And there's a lot of
quarterbacks right now on the shelf. And you know about that.
Trevor Lawrence is on the shelf. But in Cincinnati, Evan
McPherson's on the shelf a kicker.
Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
Are you kidding me? Come on, really?
Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
I mean part of that was performance too Andy. Perhaps
it's easy to kind of shuffle a guy.
Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
And when he blew that game, Look he lost four
games for him this year when he blew the Baltimore game.
After the game, and you know, as well as I do,
go to the locker room after the game, there's like
a ten minute cooling wealth period and they open it
up to the media. He hid, and that's weak. Lose
the game, I get it, it happens, but face the media.
Justin Tucker faces the media and he's not having a
good year. But Evan McPherson didn't face the media. He hid,
(01:31:43):
and that's weak.
Speaker 9 (01:31:44):
Well, Justin Ducker probably cost his quarterback the MVP Award
as well. Along the way with a couple of those
miskicks along the way, tough run for a would be
Hall of Fame guy. They're on there by this week.
One of those six teams that I mentioned before. As
you were talking about understudies, I think about Broadway, etc.
Because unless it's a uh and this is one of
(01:32:08):
those things I have to ask Andy, you know, how
much do you really know the scorecard? Unless it's a
Hollywood stunt casting for your Broadway leader.
Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
Well, it's usually promoted like, you know, go see this
show see Wicket starring whoever.
Speaker 9 (01:32:21):
Right, Well, at this point I couldn't tell you who
the leads are in Wicked. And I'm a theater kid
and I love it. We went and saw it when
we were in New York. I'm like, I don't know.
It's not a Dean Menzel and Christian Broadway show.
Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
They'll say there's an announcer prior to the game and
today's performance such and so Bucky Brooks will be playing
the lead role in place of right.
Speaker 9 (01:32:42):
Yeah, But my point is, you wouldn't have known the difference, no,
if you would have just gone to that, Whereas on
the NFL field, Oh yeah, we know the difference pretty
clearly on most of these squads, even though we often
cheer to see that backup show up, right, Bucky, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (01:32:57):
Mean yeah, we certainly cheered the back up to show up,
and we hope that he can do something. But I'm
living it. He's in it like.
Speaker 9 (01:33:05):
The most popular guy until he takes a snap, until
he has to play.
Speaker 4 (01:33:09):
We all love the backup until they have to play
Planet plant it out right now Mac Jones over Trevor Lawrence,
Like that's part of the deal. But I don't think
we can excuse performance on injuries like it's such a
random thing, Like like good coaches play around it, like
there there's there's a look, there's a breaking point for sure.
(01:33:29):
But the Detroit Lions got a bunch of guys on
Ayden Hutchison. They lost Malcolm Martriguez, they've lost a few.
Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
Reader was out.
Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
Yeah, you just keep you keep doing it, and good
coaches figure out ways.
Speaker 5 (01:33:42):
To win around it.
Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
So it can't be old the team completely fell apart
because we had an injury or two. It still has
to be something where you can feel the coach's presence
and impact on the squad.
Speaker 9 (01:33:52):
Conversely, if the guy is in between the white lines,
you know he played right, there's no there's nothing else
that can I was like, well, I'm not going to
caveat everything out going while he's dealing with this and
bus bust out the whack operation.
Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
Right, how do you parse through that?
Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:34:10):
And so that's the thing, and so right you talked
about like judging the player. If you walk between the lines,
you judged. I had a conversation with a buddy of
mine from the Packers because I don't put his name
out there, but we talked about it. He said, guys
in this age right now are really worried about how
people perceive them. I don't want to go out there
if I'm not one hundred percent and people judge me wrong.
(01:34:31):
If I played poorly, like that's a real consideration. And
so you tell players like, you know, you got to
play through this and that. But they also are keenly
aware that when they step out there, no one cares,
you know, like when I told you when Jameis Winston
on Monday Night, right, he threw interceptions, So the narrative
was like, oh, thirty for thirty, right, but we don't
(01:34:51):
remember that he had a broken thumb when he played
through that year.
Speaker 5 (01:34:54):
No one cares.
Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
They just weren't judge people by the performance.
Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
Yeah, but you have people you talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
The people that no one cares is the people that
don't count, don't care, you know what I mean? The
people that count know, the coaching staff, the person that
I don't think it's the fans in the stands who
are drinking beer and are drunk.
Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
They're the ones that, hey, you know, why did you
getting know all that of money? Well? You know right,
those are the ones.
Speaker 4 (01:35:18):
Yeah, but perception becomes reality because guess what, you eventually
have to stand in front of the microphones and ask
questions that reporters are going to field from fans wanting
to know, well, why did you play him like he's
the best that we got, but he was hurt. Yeah,
no one cares about that. So ultimately we all are
responsible for those that take the lines. And so that's
why you have to make those decisions carefully when you
(01:35:40):
do play injured players or you do with whole players,
because ultimately, the person who is the leader who has
to whistle, he's accountable to that, He's accountable to the response,
he's accountable to the performance of everyone that steps between
the lines. And that's why such a tough gig. You
have to make decisions based on what gives your team
the best chance to win. And sometimes you hurt yourself
(01:36:02):
by putting guys out there that you think can help
you win when they're not fully capable of you.
Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
Run this by the swollen don't for a second, Okay,
because I mentioned this to Bucky earlier today. There's a
real good chance that after tomorrow night, the Cincinnati Bengals
will be mathematically finally eliminated from playoff competition. Do you
sit Joe Burrow for fear of him getting hurt and
he'll be out maybe even next year, can not come
back in time, or have to.
Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
Go undergo surgery or whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
Do you sit him and not play him the rest
of the year because they're out of the playoff competition.
Speaker 9 (01:36:31):
If Joe Burrow is the guy I think he is,
he's getting in his batmobile and he's running you.
Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
Over, right, he's what he'd say.
Speaker 9 (01:36:39):
It came out on that Hard Knocks thing said he
was one of the guys that buy the three million
dollar batmobile. If he's the player and guy that I
believe that he is. And you guys can speak to this. Andy,
certainly you follow the Bengals more than me and Bucky.
I mean, you just know the competitivity. Does Joe Burrow
seem like a guy that is going to allow you
to do that? No, No, he'll want to play, right,
(01:37:01):
And Jamar Chase with his numbers and everything he's got
going on, like he's having a ridiculous You look at
their year offensively, and Chase is playing for a contract, right,
he still wants his deal. Right, he's been sabotaged. And
whatever's real, whatever's imagined. In terms of t Higgins, again,
as you said, Bucky, perception becomes reality. Back to back years,
T Higgins misses extended time and we're wondering how many
(01:37:24):
of those games were necessary versus could you have gutted
it out those kind of things as things were spiraling
that your offense is still one of the most prolific.
I mean, Joe Burrows at what thirty touchdowns against five
picks this year?
Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
Yeah, something right, ridiculous numbers.
Speaker 9 (01:37:39):
There's no chance in hell he's saying, hey, I'm taking
a month off at the back end of this season
because this happens.
Speaker 3 (01:37:45):
A term perception.
Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
I'm glad you brought the term perception because when you
heard Joe Burrow talk about buying a batmobile, was.
Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
How three million bucks Warner Brothers did a deal.
Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
You don't think that hurts perception, the public perception more
so than playing poorly or when you're injured. I mean,
you don't think when they people heard that and they
made a big deal about that in the Cincinnati area
media about you know, his batmobile right now, you know
people are not gonna say, doesn't he have something better
to do with his money? Or maybe you're getting paid
(01:38:16):
too much that he's got to play around with a.
Speaker 3 (01:38:18):
Bat that's perception watching perception.
Speaker 9 (01:38:23):
I'm gonna go walk through Cincinnati. There are the same
people that I was charying. I was screaming at after
the Super Bowl when they thought it was gonna be oh,
the great window, we'll be back. No, that's not how
this works. And now you're watching it year after year
of oh man, maybe that was the only chance.
Speaker 3 (01:38:40):
I agree with you. I mean, they have no clue.
Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
So if they're.
Speaker 9 (01:38:43):
Pocket watching over the ten minutes it took for him
to go, boy, I'm a Batman fan. They're doing a
cool thing. Accountant three million. We can do this right
because it's also an investment. There's more than ten people
that are gonna want these things. But like, if we're
pocket watching him and not looking at McPherson, not wondering
if if lou Ana Roumos walked into the building to
(01:39:05):
actually coach defense this year, I think we got bigger
problems with Cincinnati fans.
Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
No, but he's the topic of conversation now because of
the batmobile.
Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
They're lazy?
Speaker 9 (01:39:16):
Is that if that reflects badly on him, then they
need to reevaluate their lives.
Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
Well, I think people are saying, oh, my goodness, does
he have some better to do with his money?
Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
Or he's getting paid too much?
Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
You know, it takes sobouny money instead of buying a batmobile,
give it to Jamar Chase for his contract.
Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
That's what people are saying.
Speaker 9 (01:39:33):
See he's still pocket watching though, Bucky, we'll continue this,
and I'm not.
Speaker 3 (01:39:37):
I'm not. I promise we'll continue.
Speaker 9 (01:39:38):
This because we've got a couple of quarterbacks that are
in the crosshairs as well in terms of their contracts
and whether they should still be on the field. Things
you may have touched out a little bit earlier.
Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
You have buy a batmobile.
Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
Hey man, if I had three million dollars that I
knew was not if one.
Speaker 9 (01:39:53):
If I had three million dollars, I'd be long gone
and hiding on an island. But two, if I had
an extra three million, where I'm in the batmobile. The
last thing I'm worried about is what guys are saying
in the blog is well, I tell you.
Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
Right now, fired the three million dollars. I'd sooner buy
a Batmobil than that clown of Kentucky's putting three point
one mili on the Eagles to win today they.
Speaker 9 (01:40:11):
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the show postion. Right after we get off the air,
you have two hours of Andy Ferman and Bucky Brooks.
They discussed Bill Belichick the football. Many of the games
on the slate, we still have a few to do, fellas.
But one of the things that's circulating out there in
Minnesota's got a decision to make with Sam Darnold now
a robust free agent class out here, like the guy
(01:41:59):
that he replaced. Well, they'll meet up today, Captain Kirk.
This goes back to the early conversation because we weave
a rich tapestry, you know, all the potential that Kirk cousins. Yeah,
he's dealing with injury and this that the other. Because
the last couple of weeks, let's face it hasn't been
pretty in the calls from Michael Pennix Junior or robust.
Speaker 1 (01:42:19):
But for Sam.
Speaker 9 (01:42:20):
Donald, he's in an ENVA pole position, winning games, late
for the Vikings with a strong squad, and JJ McCarthy
had to have a second surgery. So right now he's
in the catbird seed. He's gonna have suitors, and even
in Minnesota though they haven't profered an offer yet. Looks
like you met be in a position of power here.
Who would have thought the former Jet punchline who saw
(01:42:43):
ghosts might be the guy right and you know, cash
in the big checks. Maybe he'll get a batmobile, Andy Furman.
Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
You know what I'd love to see, though I will
never see this.
Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
I'd love to see the guy who drafted Sam Donald
from the Jets come out and say I didn't think
he could do this.
Speaker 3 (01:42:58):
I was wrong.
Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
Sam Donald right now as we speak to like some
of like twenty three touchdowns and ten I t's and
he's he's like completed like almost sixty seven percent of
his passes.
Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
I mean, he's a twenty nine hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
I mean he's having a great year under the system
that he has in Minnesota. But again, we will never
see guys eating crow. I mean, you know, he even
that so called draft guru on the four Letter Network,
which I won't even give his name.
Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
You know, I want him to come back.
Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
People come back to him three four years after he
makes those great picks and see how they did.
Speaker 3 (01:43:29):
That's what it's all about.
Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
And any schmuck can make a pick and say this
guy's gonna go here, he's gonna do this, but let's
see what he really does. That's the key. No one
follows up. I want to follow up. That's what I want.
Speaker 4 (01:43:41):
Well, so much of everything and I'll say this, and
maybe this will strike a nerve with my guy harmon,
but I'll say so much of what we think about
players is what has been fair to us, and listening
to telecast and broadcasts, so much of the Caleb Williams
conversation as a generational talent is because we heard that
so lawn for so many years on broadcasts. Everybody, Oh
(01:44:03):
it's a generational tell Oh it's the generation.
Speaker 5 (01:44:05):
So what happens we begin to.
Speaker 4 (01:44:07):
Believe that he's a generational talent, even though that would
suggest that every year some generational talent is coming, which
is bingo.
Speaker 5 (01:44:15):
He defeats the thing.
Speaker 4 (01:44:16):
Well anyway, So what happens is perception becomes reality. And
so now, using Chicago as an example, we're ready to
blame everybody for quote unquote messing up Caleb Williams where
maybe we may have misevaluated him, maybe he isn't what
we thought. The same thing when it comes to Sam Donald.
And to bring it back to Sam Donald, here's what
(01:44:38):
the Minnesota Vikings have done to proactively have a backup
plan in place. Where is Daniel Jones currently on the
practice squad in Minnesota? What does that afford to Minnesota Vikings?
An opportunity to one evaluate him every day in practice
they can do to compare and contrast, how's Daniel Jones
compared to Sam Donald? Could we do a similar thing
(01:44:59):
with Daniel Jones that we did with Sam Donald. Let's
give him the playbook six weeks early. So now going
into the off season, we have an opportunity to do it.
Sam Donald. We can franchise you, or we can let
you go. They have a bunch of different options. Great
organizations are always looking around the corner at what could happen,
what is the next step. And so as much as
(01:45:21):
we talk about Sam Donald being in a position of power,
outre countedate by saying no, Minnesota's fine.
Speaker 5 (01:45:27):
They have options available. If they like them, they can
keep them. But if not.
Speaker 4 (01:45:30):
They're okay moving on from him, and they have a
bunch of different vehicles that they can utilize to make
sure they get compensation back.
Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Now, you make an excellent point, he really did because
Green Bay did it. The whole system was what Jordan Love,
Aaron Rodgers, Kansas City did at Alex Smith, Patrick Mahomes,
and Green Bay has done that all the time.
Speaker 3 (01:45:48):
They always a.
Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
Backup quarterback the learning situation. It's Graham surprised no one
else doesn't. But the two or three teams do it.
Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
That's wold.
Speaker 9 (01:45:54):
But it goes back to something that's the I guess
the hallmark of the conversations the three of us have
had a bucky you know for years as well, is
how many organizations do you say they get it and
that there is actually a long view versus we're scrambling
to get through the season. It's very few, very few
teams that you say consistency, continuity. San Francisco, who we'll
(01:46:18):
talk about here on the field in a moment. Now
it may feel like it's unraveling, but at the top
they're still looking around going, yeah, we've got a long term.
It's not one year that defines how we're operating, whereas
most teams it's a reactionary kind of situation. And when
you look at the rams, when you look at what
Minnesota now has with Kevin O'Connell, you've got some stability
(01:46:41):
in place and some forward thinking and yeah, getting Daniel
Jones on the chief and getting him to come in
there to try to learn and see if you can
reclaim some of what made him a first round.
Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
Pick, because that's the other part of it. These guys weren't.
Speaker 9 (01:46:54):
First round picks only for those teams, right, They would
have gone somewhere else just a little bit later, but
they still would have been first round grades, which means
someone else would have had him into a better squad.
Go back to the Ben Roethlisberger getting to Pittsburgh coming
out of college. You know, if he didn't have the
Miami Ohio sticker, would he have gotten drafted maybe a
(01:47:16):
couple of ticks higher and never got into that situation.
Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
We don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:47:20):
I will tell you this. I'm not here to attack
Mike Harmon.
Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
However, however, you talk about longevity and consistency, what about
your Chicago Bears? All right, they couldn't we Jim Harba
they could have had Jim Harper as the coach. Put
a personality disagreement. They didn't want to interview Jim Harbor.
Are you kidding?
Speaker 9 (01:47:37):
Come on, really, Andy, whatever they get this surprises you,
Like any of this talk about the Bears could have
done this, that and the other, and it's like, look,
they failed on this, Like that's the organization and it's
high like it's twenty twenty hindsight right with Jim Harbaugh,
Like the Bears were not going to pay him and
let him come in and be the guy. Want more
(01:48:00):
of a puppet than Jerry Jones does when it's all
said and done, Like it's a you're not empowered there.
The Kingsbury thing is just ridiculous logic. They weren't going
to come in and pay him what he wanted, Like
they don't want to pay a head coach, right, that's
why they've promoted a guy to the head coaching job
eighteen days after he was a cordinator. He wasn't even
(01:48:23):
a coordinator eighteen days ago. Like, hey, let's run it
out with him and see if this works. Like they
don't want to pay anybody. They want to get him
on the cheap.
Speaker 1 (01:48:32):
If they can.
Speaker 9 (01:48:34):
So the Jim Harbaugh thing is to me, it was
a non start. It's a great thing to say, hey,
they could have had that was I don't believe there
was a shred of truth that that was ever going
to happen, no matter how interested he may have been.
Speaker 5 (01:48:48):
Yeah, I think that's a good point.
Speaker 4 (01:48:50):
I also think the revelation when they talk about Kevin
Warren to president running things, I don't know, like why
it's taking so long for people to realize that they've
shown you that and playing you look at the behind
the scenes videos where they followed him around the city
going to the job and those things. I've never seen
any other president followed around with cameras where they talk
about a day in the life of the team, president
(01:49:12):
of the thing. It's very obvious, like how that goes
down and what you hope for the Bears and what
I hope for the Bears is they find they get
the right fit because we've seen this team cycle through
coaches over and over and over again, and at some
point you have to realize, maybe it's not the coaches,
maybe it's the way the team is structured, and if
you fix the structure, you get the right people. Then
(01:49:33):
maybe the Bears can be who many of us expect
them to be. I will say this, though, everyone in
the North has hope because after watching Detroit go from
being a celebrate dweller to a perennial contender, there's hope
because they couldn't fix it for years and they finally
figured it out.
Speaker 5 (01:49:49):
Hopefully the same can happen for the Chicago Bear.
Speaker 9 (01:49:52):
I will give Kevin Warren credit for one thing. In
that press conference the other day. He did everything he
could to say, hey, when it fails, it's still on
Ryan Poles.
Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
Clearly he had all.
Speaker 9 (01:50:02):
Out here, I'm the guy, look at me, I'm mister
Chicago and everything, because originally was all about the business
in the stadium, whatever else. Clearly he's the guy, is
the puppeteer, as you say, here's your day in the
life stuff. But he basically made this guy an empty suit.
But at the end of the day, oh no, it's
still him, like you've basically taking any shred of power
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and dare I say dignity from this poor man. And
when he was asked what went wrong with Shane Waldron,
he sat there stupefied for twelve seconds before he uttered
a damn words.
Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
Did he throw him under the bus? He backed the
bus up and drove over him again.
Speaker 9 (01:50:39):
Yeah, no, it's completely the end of the Naked Gun
and then you it rewind.
Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
Wait did I see what I just saw? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (01:50:46):
Let's watch the bus roll through as the marching Man
plays again, speak of witch. Let's talk about the.
Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
Bears a second.
Speaker 9 (01:50:52):
Bears at forty nine ers San Francisco forty nine ers,
three and a half point favorites.
Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
Forty three and a half is your total in this.
Speaker 9 (01:51:00):
Guarendo is your man of the hour, the running back,
because well there's no Mason, there's no McCaffrey. Party expected
to give it the old college try shoulder injury for him.
San Francisco, despite having McCaffrey out of the lineup for
a good chunk of the year, still seventh in the league,
rushing at a pace of one hundred and forty yards
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per game, Bears losers of six straight in spectacular fashion,
virtually every week. Forty nine ers, three of their own.
Caleb Williams five touchdowns and you're looking at it. You know,
had two big weeks, but in four of his last
six he's completed fewer than less than fifty five percent
of his pass attempts. But what's holding them together? Turnover
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differential time for fourth A plus ten. All right, the
battle of what could have beens? Bucky, I start with you,
where's the game at again? San Francisco, Santa Clara, California,
My old with when I was with the point.
Speaker 4 (01:52:01):
This has to be the last one for the Niners
because I think everyone in the building knows.
Speaker 5 (01:52:05):
I'm gonna say that. Because of that, the desperate.
Speaker 4 (01:52:07):
Ration that the Niners bring to the table is the
difference in the game.
Speaker 3 (01:52:12):
You know, I will tell you this much.
Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
You know from the injury factor alone in San Francisco,
you may think that the Bears talent today could match
up with the forty nine ers with deanre Smith, I
mean Swift and Dj Moore, Keenan Allen Doonza. I mean, honestly,
I think this game is gonna be a lot closer
than one would think. The only question here is can
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the Bears protect Caleb Williams And I look at Nick
Bose it could be a big factor.
Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
In this game. So that's the key right there. Can
they can.
Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
They control connect protect Kleb Williams. If they can, I
think the Bears have a chance. Otherwise it's a forty
nine game. The game obviously is in Santa Clara, as
you mentioned, but I think it's would be a lot
closer than people think.
Speaker 1 (01:52:56):
Plus three and a half.
Speaker 9 (01:52:57):
I'll take the Bears with the points they're gonna lose
and the next sack again, it's Caleb Williams, and balloons
are gonna fall from the sky because it will be
the fiftieth on the season. That's Andy Furman, that's Bucky Brooks.
I'm Mike Carmon. Yeah, there you go. I got that
out of my system. I'm feeling good. Now let's go.
We got a couple more games to get to. As
we conclude this hour a Fox Football Sunday, you're all
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bopping along. Happy Sunday to you right in early week
fourteen your National Football League season. Later on we'll get
the final College football playoff rankings and all the fights
that will spill out, ads and coaches, politicking, politicking all
the way through. You thought political season was over, you
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ain't seen nothing yet. Andy Furman, Bucky Brooks, and I
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Speaker 1 (01:53:44):
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Speaker 9 (01:53:45):
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more games to get to. Let's do it, Chargers said cheef.
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Here we go Sunday Night Football. Chargers four point underdogs
on the road forty two and a half. The promo
videos a song that is well like that earworm and
the thing where you start jumping around get out of
my head because they're playing Everybody wants to Rule the world,
which is one of those that we gets taunted on
our show during the week. McConkey a game time decision,
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the steady performer for the Chargers in the receiving core.
You know, Justin Herbert right now, tied for nineteenth, just
thirteen touchdown passes this year, but just one interception. Mahomes
for all of the consternation, He's tied for eighth with nineteenth.
What a different world we're living in, isn't it. Los
Angeles rushing on average just one yard more per game
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than Kansas City again. Perception reality as to what's going
on there, Chargers third turnover differential plus eleven on the season.
Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
Upset special? Are we calling for it?
Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
Here?
Speaker 1 (01:55:02):
Andy Furman?
Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
I don't think it's upset special, but I think it's
gonna be a lot closer than we sing.
Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
I think it's gonna be a good day for the Chiefs,
and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
The Chargers obviously lead the NFL in scoring defense about
fifteen to sixteen points per game, and the first time
they met this year was a seventeen to ten home loss. However,
without the running back JK. Dobbins, I think it's gonna
be a mccon McConkie. As you mentioned, not playing with
that bad knee, it's going to be really difficult for
the Charges to obtain any offensive strength today. I don't
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think they get it done. So I think Kansas City wins,
and I think it's not going to be the nail
by that that it has been for the last several
weeks for the Chiefs. I think the Kansas City Chiefs
win rather easily today.
Speaker 4 (01:55:43):
The time is now, Andy, at some point there's a
changing of the guard. At some point you have to
hand over the torch and give it.
Speaker 5 (01:55:51):
To the other guy.
Speaker 4 (01:55:52):
And I'm not saying that it's the division, but I
think today's today the Jim Harvar servs notice to the league.
Speaker 5 (01:55:58):
That the Chargers are on their way to come.
Speaker 4 (01:56:00):
I think they beat them. I think LA, I think
LA serves them up. I think the Charges serve them up.
On Sunday night we get to witness it. And it's
going to be glorious for so many people that hate
the Swifties.
Speaker 5 (01:56:15):
And the mahomes is.
Speaker 4 (01:56:17):
This is going to be a celebration tonight, a Sunday
night celebration. A Sunday night saw ray to see the
Charges a little coordination of Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 9 (01:56:25):
I wonder if they're going to do any live look ins.
Final show of the Eras tour from Vancouver tonight, Andy
Furman went silent, like, why does Harmon know these things?
What the hell is wrong with this guy? Follow the
money is what we always say. If it don't make dollars,
(01:56:46):
it don't make sense. And when it comes to the
swifty world, we're talking two billion dollars. So yeah, you've
got my rapt attention not to mention that I have
two teenage daughters that will drag me along kicking and screaming,
even if I am wearing a bedazzled hat and jacket
at the concert.
Speaker 1 (01:57:02):
A right final game now, bengalsaid Cowboys.
Speaker 9 (01:57:05):
We talked about it earlier, a little bit from the
just watching perspective. You've got the Bengals a five and
a half point road favorite. Forty nine and.
Speaker 1 (01:57:15):
A half is your totals.
Speaker 9 (01:57:16):
So we'll get to see a lot of commentary from
Homer Simpson and the cast of characters there and whatever
they taped with the players, and the chaos that'll ensue.
Speaker 1 (01:57:24):
Joe Burrow talked about it before.
Speaker 9 (01:57:25):
Nearly sixty eight percent completion rate, thirty touchdowns, five picks
in about two hundred and eighty yards per game this
year Cooper Russian Company. He's looked solid in spots right,
He'll throw the ball around the yard, no conscience, why
because he knows what he is at this point. Had
that big game against Miami, another big one against Washington.
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Pretty muted in his other starts, but can't run the ball.
No offensive efficiency. It's just a matter of can Joe
Burrow and that offense continue at the clip that they're
at averaging twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (01:57:59):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 9 (01:57:59):
They are at twenty seven point nine points scored per game,
Cincinnati and Dallas both giving up twenty eight point three
per game. Bucky, you're first on this one.
Speaker 4 (01:58:08):
This's good to Cincinnati Bengals. The bus to clock, it's
been all good. I love Michael.
Speaker 5 (01:58:12):
Parsons, and everyone's saying, oh, we're about to make a run.
But let's be honest. They're not gonna make a run.
Speaker 4 (01:58:16):
With Cooper Rush your quarterback, they're not going to be
a big scored enough points, and defensively, they can't keep
the score down. No one has slowed down the Cincinnati
Bengals offensively. Why would the Cowboys be next? Give me
the Bengals?
Speaker 5 (01:58:27):
Hooday? Who days listened to you?
Speaker 4 (01:58:29):
Bingals?
Speaker 3 (01:58:30):
Listen to you? Really?
Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
Hey, Look, the Bengals can't They can't get stops on defense,
no doubt about. That's what they do. They outgun their opponent.
They'll score, they'll score points. They may win something like
forty one to thirty eight, but they're gonna win because
they can't stop and they can't keep the other team's
offense off the field. But with Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase,
they're at tandem. You look at this team, how many
games they have lost by scoring twenty five or more points.
Speaker 3 (01:58:55):
That's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (01:58:56):
You look at this just the stats of the season result,
it's twenty five plus per game and they've lost about
four or five of those games.
Speaker 9 (01:59:04):
Well, I mean, we'll go back to at the Giants
when they won seventeen to seven. They could do that
here because at the Cowboys, how many points are they
really scoring? This might be actually lose. Swansong should carry
him off the field when the defense holds a team
under twenty five. Andy Furman, It's been a pleasure. Bucky
Brooks and I are going to continue here for another hour.
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It's Week fourteen, winning time in your fantasy squads, and
we'll talk more about the schedule ahead next time Fox. Criminality, precedents, chaos,
all those words being used to describe the potential later
on today as we get our first college football playoff
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field fully set, locked and loaded. No more politicking, no
more chaos. The committee in the room making the decision.
We'll find out later on today while we enjoy a
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Speaker 1 (02:01:02):
There you go talking about that. Build it up.
Speaker 9 (02:01:04):
Foxsports dot com as well, we get some top fives
and some great debate kind of conversations, and that's where
we start. We'll get back into the NFL first. You know,
the show's always changing, and certainly I wasn't in the
seat with you the full morning here you and Andy
doing the two hours, so I know your North Carolina
tar heels had to come up at least a little
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bit with the rumor mirror, rumor mill hot and heavy
after the firing of Mac Brown, to bring on potentially
Bill Belichick with an interview and a conversation. Everybody, well,
it's all for his son, et cetera. But I ask
you this, and it's something we talked about a little
bit during the week.
Speaker 1 (02:01:44):
Smith and I and Rich Ornberger joined us on Friday.
Speaker 9 (02:01:49):
Is the collegiate game maybe a little more equipped for
a guy like Belichick in this day and age than
maybe it would have been five years.
Speaker 4 (02:01:55):
Ago, maybe because at a time when everyone is wanting
in the college game, so college coach is the first
time they've had to deal with let's say, salary cap
and players making money and some player empowerment. Like you
have these college coaches who's been lifers, who are.
Speaker 5 (02:02:10):
Having a tough time.
Speaker 4 (02:02:11):
I can't deal with hard, get out, can't get I
can't control.
Speaker 5 (02:02:14):
The way I gotta go.
Speaker 4 (02:02:15):
Whereas for Bill Belichick, that's what he's always dealt with.
And if you actually think about it, the players that
he would coach from eighteen to twenty two, there's still
a purity about teaching young people how to play the game.
Speaker 5 (02:02:29):
He may, as a coach who.
Speaker 4 (02:02:30):
Has always been able to find wins in the margins,
he may see something in the college game that he
is like, look, if I go to the college game
and we do X, Y and Z, we can win
and win for a long time.
Speaker 5 (02:02:41):
Maybe that's it.
Speaker 4 (02:02:42):
He has conversations with Nick sib and he's seen how
his colleague, his buddy.
Speaker 5 (02:02:47):
Has been able to dominate. It was able to dominate
at Alabama.
Speaker 4 (02:02:50):
He has another mentee in Bill O'Brien, who's right there
in Boston College.
Speaker 5 (02:02:55):
He jumps right in.
Speaker 4 (02:02:56):
He has that team and that program trending the right way.
Why not, because look, the notion of college football being amateur,
that's a policy. It's no longer that it's minor league football,
whatever you want to call it. It's a version of
pro football that's not quite the big leagues. If he
goes and has a plan, which he always will, why
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wouldn't he be able to do it? And I'll say
this because everyone talks about the age and connection of players,
here's what we do know. Players will listen to coaches
who can help them get to where they want to go.
So if their goal is to get to the next level,
to play in the NFL level, who better to do
it than someone who has won? However many six, seven,
how many Super Bowls he's won during his time? Why
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not embrace that? And then the energy.
Speaker 5 (02:03:40):
Part of it.
Speaker 4 (02:03:41):
Look, if he's smart, he's going to hire a staff
that's full of the energetic guys. I saw Bobby Bout
walk the sidelines when he was older, how which Joe
Perturno on some other guys walked the sideline when they
were older. So even as he shifts to emeritus status,
he still can get it done because he'll set the
program in the structure.
Speaker 5 (02:03:57):
And I'm sure it could.
Speaker 9 (02:03:58):
Work because you're talking eight super Bowl rings right, two
with the Giants and six with the Pats, so certainly there.
I just look at it from the delegation side of it, right,
and structure and approach to your point about salary cap
at il whatever. It's not like he's gonna have to
be hugely hands on. Certainly you're gonna have to be
the closer on some of these calls. I'd love to
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see him in the living rooms because you mentioned Nick Saban.
One of the great memes that we get is when
he was doing the slide and everything with the recruits families.
Speaker 1 (02:04:28):
So if we get you.
Speaker 4 (02:04:29):
Know, I mean, you know what hills Veelichick. Now he
has a a I can't call a significant other, a partner,
a friend, a close friend who may be more relatable
to today's players.
Speaker 1 (02:04:41):
But that's just it, right, You've got the case she
your people.
Speaker 4 (02:04:45):
Yes, she might help him get a lot, that's right.
And so when you say he can't relate, seems like
he's relating pretty well.
Speaker 9 (02:04:51):
Seems seems like it's working on right there. Do with
it what you will, America and the globe beyond. As
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All right, So the college football playoff thing gets a little. Uh,
it's been fun the last week, right because a lot
of politicking and what about our resume. A lot of
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teams and coaches just pointing to, hey, we won our games,
you lost yours, which valid particularly when we talk about
you know, guys like Dan Lanning, and that's it's easy
to do. When you're the number one team in the
land forty five thirty seven, your final, you take care
of it. James Franklin's more worried about the the band
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after the game than anything else.
Speaker 1 (02:05:37):
Right the they were firing up.
Speaker 9 (02:05:39):
The Oregon band next to where they were and he
started calling us all JV and bush league or whatever.
It's like, Yeah, if it was your band, you'd be like,
you'd be out there as the band leader. So you know,
you just need to He's angry. He's angry, so angry,
he's so angry. He gets no love, right, they don't.
Speaker 4 (02:05:57):
You're right though, he's I would say he is underpreciated
for the job that he's done f n State and
even to a less degree, the job that he did
in Vanderbilt.
Speaker 5 (02:06:05):
So he is underrated.
Speaker 4 (02:06:06):
They do hold him to a standard word looker and
you got to beat some of these top five teams.
Speaker 5 (02:06:10):
Yeah, but he has a little edge about him.
Speaker 4 (02:06:12):
Where he's always he's always angry. He's always the guy
that kind of comes outside, like in the neighborhood that
just looks.
Speaker 5 (02:06:18):
Around, like, what's that noise?
Speaker 4 (02:06:20):
Who's making all this noise in the culta sac you know.
Speaker 5 (02:06:23):
Like all the other stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:06:24):
You know.
Speaker 9 (02:06:25):
So that's that's all three and eighteen against top ten opponents.
Speaker 1 (02:06:29):
So I mean, that's that's valid.
Speaker 9 (02:06:30):
I mean not that every many coaching and administrations are
going to have great records in those circumstances, Bucky, But
in the end, you gotta break through. It's kind of
the conversation. It's really just in parallel with what we've
talked about with Ryan Day. You can do all sorts
of great things. Ryan Day could win the national title
this year, and there's still going to be the you
lost to Michigan crowd amongst the boosters. That's just the
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reality of college football. And for James Franklin much the same.
When you get into these big game scenarios and and
the things that you purport to do well fall apart,
and in this case, you know, you get forty five
hung on you.
Speaker 4 (02:07:08):
Again.
Speaker 9 (02:07:08):
Whatever your offense did, it's all fine and good. It's
still a giant l at the end. Like Dan Lanning.
You know, his message to it all was just win,
Just win. They can't deny you if you just win.
You can't complain it if you just win. Again easy
to say when you're the number one squad, but it
echoes really just the basis of all of it. You know,
the Al Davis motto from all those years ago. Just win, baby,
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and don't leave it to the judges. Right, we joke
about it with boxing and MMA and all of those things.
Soccer leaving it to one play with a referee or
penalty kicks or the dubious world that is the two
point conversion fest of a college football game.
Speaker 1 (02:07:49):
Never let it go to that. Take care of your business.
Speaker 4 (02:07:53):
Don't let it go to the cards. And so you
do have to take care of business. And there are
a lot of teams who had opportunities to take your
business throughout the course of the season who did not,
And they're there winding and crying and complaining. And the
biggest debate that we had in the first hour, and
he's adamant about Alabama getting in. But he's adamant about
Alabama getting in over Miami, which I don't necessarily have
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an issue with the issue that I would have.
Speaker 5 (02:08:18):
Is now that SMU has lost to Clemson.
Speaker 4 (02:08:21):
And it drops them down, Alabama cannot go in over
SMU because SMU played a bonus game that Alabama did
not earn the right to play in the championship. If
the season ended before the championship games, SMU gets in
and maybe Alabama doesn't.
Speaker 5 (02:08:37):
But now that they played that extra.
Speaker 4 (02:08:38):
Game, you shouldn't provide Alabama an opportunity to move up
when they didn't play. They didn't do anything differently to
earn their way into the tournament. If they get bumped
down because SMU lost, then so what don't lose three games?
You can't complain, But it'd be a bad precedent if SMU.
Speaker 5 (02:08:56):
Who has led to acc.
Speaker 4 (02:08:57):
The entire year, is eliminated from the playoff because they
lose in a championship game and Alabama hasn't played one.
Speaker 1 (02:09:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (02:09:04):
I was part of Rhett Lashley's discussion points over the
course of the week, and then certainly after the thirty
four to thirty one loss to Clemson. Clemson rising through
the ashes and Dabo Swinny remember how defiant he was
about the portal and everything else. In the end, he
gets the spoils with the big victory. But I still
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don't know that that's sustainable. But for this year it
worked in his.
Speaker 4 (02:09:28):
Visin the only thing, the only thing, The only thing
I'll say about Dabbo and the Portal and why I
can work for him and Georgia has been able to
do it. There is a level of consistency that you
get when your team is homegrown. Many you recruit, you develop,
you get that now they are able to recruit at
a higher level that some other teams can't, right because
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they're an established power or whatever. When you are in
the portal, let's think about everyone who jumps into portal.
The overwhelming majority of the portal is full of guys
who are unhappy with their current situation.
Speaker 5 (02:10:00):
So now what.
Speaker 4 (02:10:01):
Happens when you take them on? You take on those problems,
and if it doesn't go well right away, i e.
Florida State, it can fall apart because you got a
bunch of crabs in the barrel that are not happy.
So I understand why he's anti portal, even though I
think if used right, it can be a nice supplementation
to a roster build that is homegrown and organic.
Speaker 9 (02:10:22):
Certainly, the positives of the portal and when you do
have the blue chips, because let's face it, there are
guys that just want to get paid and find their
way into a better situation where the money's flowing. I
mean to look at my Wildcats this week, Bucky. I
don't know if you saw their presser, and we got
twenty guys not a single dime of nil, to which
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I respond, that's not something I would be bragging about.
As your top offensive and defensive players leave, including Alignment
who's probably gonna end up playing against you at Ohio State.
So you have that flowing in there. And I would
love to see Dabbo and fran Brown. I would love
to see this love fest that they've had these last
couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (02:11:02):
Hilarious.
Speaker 9 (02:11:03):
Yeah, once they're back on the recruiting trails, because that's
what fran Brown does.
Speaker 4 (02:11:08):
Yeah, now, that is what he does, and he is
great at the recruiting piece.
Speaker 5 (02:11:12):
And look, it's funny that he.
Speaker 4 (02:11:13):
Shouted out Dabbo and Dabbo was able to reply because
he did save Dabbo an opportunity to get back into
the a SEC Championship game. The nil thing, I think
is still something that you have to soar through because
I'm not necessarily mad at your Northwestern Wildcast when it
comes to nil, because a lot of these things, like
you still would like to believe and look, you're at
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Northwestern grad. I would like to think that you would
say that that university is transformational when it comes to
I go there for my four or five years, the
things that I learned, the people that I meet, transform
my life for the better, not a transactional situation where
I pay them, they pay me, we get through it
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and whatever. There's still something that's icky about that part.
All right of it. However, I would say that you're
another Western wildcast. They can incentivize players, they can pay
them along the way. I just don't think this should
be the first offering when someone comes like how much.
Speaker 5 (02:12:11):
You gonna pay me?
Speaker 4 (02:12:12):
Like I would always sure you want to come to
my school to learn something, not just to have your
handout to take cash.
Speaker 1 (02:12:18):
Still got to be a base.
Speaker 9 (02:12:19):
But at the end of the day, if you're gonna
still be in the big ten, you gotta play by
the rules of engagement. Otherwise you're going to be in
the are we really gonna get relegated situation? Which you know,
was the joke for a couple of years as all
these Pac twelve schools started to invade the conference and
look at Oregon wins in year one.
Speaker 1 (02:12:39):
He's Bucky Brooks on Mike Carmen. We're just getting warmed
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Speaker 9 (02:12:42):
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Is They've got a date with the Titans.
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a NASCAR Truck Series guy that had my name when
I went into the.
Speaker 1 (02:13:09):
Twitter verse all those years ago.
Speaker 9 (02:13:11):
Every once in a while, I get dragged for some
of the things that happened in that garage. I'll let
you all look that up online.
Speaker 1 (02:13:17):
He's Bucky on Mike.
Speaker 9 (02:13:18):
We continue Week fourteen of the NFL bore Discussion next
here on Fox. I always hear those bells and wait
for some giant, sinister laugh and a big guitar Riff
and then Mariah sings to me, Bucky, because it's only
to me. Had Bucky Brooks where you find him on Twitter.
I'm Mike Carbon, Thanks for hanging out with us. It's
Fox Football Sunday here at Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (02:13:40):
Six teams on the by.
Speaker 9 (02:13:42):
You know I feel about these scheduling things here, Bucky
week fourteen. If you've been able to survive, now you
get to sit back and chill at the playoff stretch
runs beginning here Denver, Indianapolis, New England, Washington, Baltimore and
and yes, most of those teams still have some playoff aspirations.
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I know, Patriots fans, it's an odd place for you
all to be in. You still have an opportunity to
play some spoiler here in the final weeks. For Richardson
and the Colts still you know, the shoestring kind of thing,
but overall trying to get some growth. But for those
other squads still playoff implications. For Baltimore, Lucky, Let's start
there when you look at Justin Tucker and the year
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that has been as loyal as you want to be,
the guys that have been there, tried and true, and
their histories, and I mean, the guy's a legend for
crying out loud there in Baltimore. But right now it's
it's costing them immensely game after game because you know,
we know the games are played in the margins in
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the National Football League and not having a guy that
you can rely on is immense in the final weeks
and certainly come the playoffs given their history.
Speaker 5 (02:14:57):
Yeah, it's something that they have to fix.
Speaker 4 (02:14:58):
And it's one of the things that you know, ever
thought it about being an issue for the Baltimore Ravens.
John harb has always had to lust. You're knowing he
had the best kicker on the field and he could
count on his skicker to come through whenever they got
to a certain point in the field. That's no longer true.
And with that not being true, it changed the way
that you have to call plays. It changed the way
that you attack and do things. And you know, the
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Ravens are maddenly inconsistent anyway, right Like it's a team
that is super talented.
Speaker 5 (02:15:25):
We can say that they have the talent.
Speaker 4 (02:15:26):
To be amongst the best, if not the best team
in the league. They just for whatever reason, don't play
like that consistently. If justin Tucker is not able to
kind of right his wrongs or fix the things that
are impacting his kicking. Man, do they go and get
one off the street if you bring another one in,
do you do you look to Tucker? Do you look
to him? That is a tough thing, and it's something
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that they never had to deal with. I appreciate and
respect the loyalty, But another week or so, you may
have to make a hard decision to bring somebody else
in that can fix some of the stuff that's going
on in their kicking game.
Speaker 9 (02:16:00):
Because we look down this schedule here, we know backloaded
with some heavyweights, still have two more divisional games. You
got a home game against Pittsburgh, a home game against Cleveland,
and those are odd even kind of weeks with dates
at the Giants and at Houston. So you know, in
Cleveland with Jamis Winston, you don't know what you're gonna get.
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Your defense is no good, so he can go out
there and wing it around if he's healthy. In that
final week of the season when you're still you know,
battling maybe for the division against Pittsburgh and all of
that to say, I mean, you're twenty third in total defense,
say what you will about Justin Tucker's struggles defensively. You know,
I do regular spots in Baltimore, And they were talking
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even in the preseasons, like we want to see if
we actually have one good cornerback, let alone two.
Speaker 1 (02:16:47):
We're not even talking depth.
Speaker 9 (02:16:48):
We're just talking starters right off the jump, of guys
that are going to be able to stay with the teams.
Speaker 3 (02:16:53):
One.
Speaker 4 (02:16:55):
Yeah, and it's been a tough time, tough sledding for
the Baltimore Ravens. And offensive leader's good as anybody. They
can control the game with the offense. They can run
it and slow it down. They can do it with
Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry, they have weapons on the outside.
Speaker 5 (02:17:06):
All of that.
Speaker 4 (02:17:07):
Stuff works, but two areas impact them. Defense and kicking game.
And old college coach used to always say, you got
to win two out of three other phases to win games. Offense, defense,
special teams, whatever. To two of those you have to win,
and they're struggling in two areas. The thing that gives
you hope is that this is a team that has
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always been able to kind of find their way fix
it when it comes to money.
Speaker 5 (02:17:33):
Time, and it's money time with the last part of
the season.
Speaker 4 (02:17:36):
They need to fix it, and superhero Lamar Jackson can
do his part on offense, but defensively and in the
kicking in the kind of get a results.
Speaker 9 (02:17:44):
It's one of those I heard you in Andy as
I was speeding in I mean driving in this morning
to the Fox Sports radio studios here on the highways
and byways, you know where it really maybe philosophically.
Speaker 1 (02:17:57):
You've got to lean into that.
Speaker 9 (02:17:59):
Derrick Henry Lamar Jackson planned run, attack and steal another
three or four minutes of time of possession based on
what your defense can't do. And I mean we talked
about the drives and what a cheat code kickers have
been for most teams this year. As you said, I mean,
you're usually at such an advantage, so to have that
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taken away, it's got to change everything you're doing offensively
as well in terms of the structure and you know,
your play calling in grid as to how you're trying
to build out a possession, whereas so many other teams
have the a I got a guy that can be
super toe from fifty five, let's go, well.
Speaker 4 (02:18:40):
Yeah, and you think about that just so just think
about the scoring zone and that so if super tow
is what fifty five yards, that means you just have
to get the ball to the thirty eight yard line. Yeah,
and if most drafts started to thirty five, you don't
have four to go, you know, to move it down
the field. And it changes everything. It changes the way
to you call plays. It changed the way that you
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sequenced your calls based upon knowing where we are on
the field. Do we need to be more conservative, do
we need to dial it back? We have sure points,
so it's not that big of a deal. If we
throw it and it's incomplete, it doesn't matter. Just Tucker
is good from this distance. It changes everything. Now you
want to get a little closer a instead of being
at the thirty eight, maybe let's try and get it
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to the twenty twenty five. So now my calls are
a little different. Yes, it's a huge issue, and it
looks it's crummy to see sometimes like our favorite players,
because I advocated it for him being MVP one time
because he was so good a couple of seasons ago.
Let's see if he can fix It'd be a big
test for him.
Speaker 9 (02:19:43):
Baltimore twelfth in the league. Time of possession at thirty
minutes thirty one second. By way of contrast, the number
one team in the game is Pittsburgh at just shy
of thirty three minutes per game.
Speaker 1 (02:19:56):
So they're on a buy. They'll see what they can fix.
Speaker 9 (02:19:59):
I know they had a bunch of veteran kickers in
for the workouts this week, so we'll see what's happening there.
One of the teams on the by that's really interesting
to me, wanted to get your take of where they
sit as we get to this final quarter of the
season is the Denver Broncos and the job Sean Payton
bow Nicks and what they've been able to do. Certainly
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the second half of the year. They rode the defense
early and Certan is everything he was billed to be
and then some. But watching Nicks as a runner and
growing into the role. There was the last game that
played that dart down the field when we're seeing them
winging the ball all over the place, just insane. Courtland
Sutton a guy that was in trade rumors in the
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off season crazy, which is crazy, right, and now you
see what he's become for this squad. But what's the
ceiling on their their run in what is seemingly a
pretty wide open field.
Speaker 4 (02:20:57):
Yeah, pretty wide open field. It comes down to matchups, right.
The team is dangerous because defensively they can get after right,
they can dial it up like vance.
Speaker 5 (02:21:06):
Joseph has not found a blitz that he doesn't like.
Speaker 4 (02:21:08):
They have cover guys on the back end that can
hold up in man the man coverage, So they're gonna
come after you with relentless pressure. We've seen how that
pressure translates in the turnovers. Go back and look at
Monday Night Jameis Winston and those things.
Speaker 5 (02:21:20):
Offensively.
Speaker 4 (02:21:21):
Every week, bow Nicks is growing, and bow Nicks is
becoming a mini Drew Brees, not the same talent, but
becoming a mini Drew Brees in terms of how he
commands the offense that Sean Payton runs. Takes care of
the ball, low turnovers, athletic enough to make things happen
when he gets outside of the pocket, quick rhythm, pass
it with accuracy, just enough to make it like.
Speaker 5 (02:21:45):
Difficult for the opposing defense.
Speaker 4 (02:21:48):
This team is good because if they get the game
on their term, Sean Payton knows how to drain the clock.
He knows how to speed it up. He's been in
so many games. As an experienced head coach, he knows
how to kind of.
Speaker 5 (02:22:01):
Craft winning game plans.
Speaker 4 (02:22:04):
They're not a team that you really want to face
Man just because he's so good as a puppeteer, and
they have enough talent just enough to knock you off
if you don't bring your a game.
Speaker 9 (02:22:13):
Yeah, big thing for that squad is they do need
to at some point find that running back and then
it just bounces so much. But something we talked about
with Andy last hour, Bucky just talking about the quarterback
position and development and all of those kind of things.
It's another example of a guy with an awful lot
of college starts and opportunities before he took a snap
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of NFL football, and you can see the vast difference
and how quickly that learning curve was accelerated.
Speaker 4 (02:22:40):
It seems like that's gonna be a thing that we
have to talk about a lot. Right When you look
at the guys that were very experienced coming into it,
they've shown a lot. They've been very consistent throughout their
play this season. Jayden Daniels and Bownecks represent that. Considering
how many stars both of those guys had as older players.
Younger players is more volatile when it comes to it,
you still learn. Everyone's learning and adapting to the pro game.
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But the reps matter. Reps matter at any level, and
the guys who are getting significant reps are having more success.
Speaker 5 (02:23:09):
Asked me something that you follow.
Speaker 9 (02:23:10):
He's Bucky Brooks up by Carmen here from the Tirak
dot com. Fox Sports Radio Studios. It's Fox Football Sunday.
Now it's time to bring in a man. He's going
to be part of the coverage on the big game
later on tonight, and he's growing the beard so he
can watch stroke the beard like a movie villain. It's
our guy, Isaac Low and craw what's going on?
Speaker 1 (02:23:31):
Illow?
Speaker 3 (02:23:31):
Good morning, Mike and Bucky.
Speaker 10 (02:23:33):
And speaking of various physical attributes, So I'd like to
take this opportunity to publicly announce that I did offer
my knee and shoulder to the Chargers to graft onto
Ladmaconkie to sure his availability for tonight's game. And the
Chargers responded, and I quote, I think we're good.
Speaker 3 (02:23:53):
We're good.
Speaker 9 (02:23:54):
You got any friends, Gus you worked over in that
Fox Sports radio world, you got, you got a couple
of x NFL guys.
Speaker 1 (02:24:01):
Bucky, how's the knee and shoulder.
Speaker 4 (02:24:02):
You can give you one h ooh no no, no, no, no,
we have to pass. Nope, my left shoulder and my
left kneed could not do lab McConkey yeah to go elsewhere.
Speaker 9 (02:24:13):
I wish they had to go through the operation wacky
doctors game with him their eye log.
Speaker 10 (02:24:17):
I wish I had sent him him, meaning you bucky
holiday treats in the past, so you would only won.
But unfortunately I was not that generous. We had a
generous serving of college football. On Saturday night of the
Big Ten Championship Game, Number one, Oregon defeated third ranked
Penn State forty five to thirty seven.
Speaker 7 (02:24:34):
Tom moved to thirteen and ero.
Speaker 10 (02:24:36):
In the ACC Championship Game, Number seventeen, Clemson and eighth
ranked SMU were tied at thirty one in the final seconds,
and Clemson freshman placekicker Nolan Hawser attempting a fifty six
yard field goal on WCCP snap.
Speaker 4 (02:24:52):
Hoole kick on its way, got the distance?
Speaker 3 (02:24:55):
Does it add the accuracy?
Speaker 4 (02:25:00):
Get the.
Speaker 3 (02:25:03):
Descent?
Speaker 7 (02:25:04):
Whatson to the playoffs man.
Speaker 10 (02:25:07):
The first ever twelve team college football playoff bracket will
be announced at noon today. Get your complaints ready anyway.
In the NBA on Saturday night, Nikola Jokich your career
high fifty six points, but Denver lost in Washington one
twenty two to one thirteen as the Wizards broke a
sixteen game losing streak. Denver played without starters Jamal Murray
and Aaron Gordon Duwe to injury. Cad Cunningham of the
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Pistons a twenty nine point, ten rebound, fifteen assists triple
double in Detroit's one twenty to one eleven victory over
the New York Knicks and Madison Square Garden and Luka
Doncic had a triple double thirty points, thirteen rebounds and
eleven assists in Dallas's one twenty five to one eighteen
victory at Toronto.
Speaker 9 (02:25:48):
Mike and Bucky Two things Number one for everybody getting
ready to be mad about the college football playoff stuff.
Remember it is, after all, a TV show, and hate
watching is a very real thing. The second that goal,
it sounded like the Muppet Show.
Speaker 1 (02:26:05):
By the way, quick question for you guys.
Speaker 10 (02:26:08):
You know in the past they reveal these things with
the like the sixteen, the twenty five, twenty, the fifteen, ten,
all the way up to number one that they reveal
this time, it might be more dramatic and infuriating if
they revealed number one first and all the way down
to twelve.
Speaker 7 (02:26:25):
How do you guys think they'll do it?
Speaker 6 (02:26:27):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (02:26:27):
I would do it that way.
Speaker 9 (02:26:28):
Yeah, that might be more right, because one through four Okay,
we know what this is.
Speaker 1 (02:26:32):
Yeah, yeah, and let's cycle from there.
Speaker 9 (02:26:34):
I agree with the ilo forget about the old countdown rules,
although maybe you just walk the fury of it because
it gets you an extra hour of anger.
Speaker 1 (02:26:46):
Who gets left out? Bam?
Speaker 4 (02:26:49):
Well now, because the twelve is where all the odds are,
so maybe you do just kind of drop it from
one to twelve, you know, put them in different practice
and all that.
Speaker 5 (02:26:58):
Maybe that's the way.
Speaker 3 (02:26:59):
To do it.
Speaker 9 (02:27:00):
There we go TV planning at Isaac Lohenkron. You want
to respond to that, I'm sure get your feedback in
and if there's a team you want to stub for,
if you're really interesting, Ailo's been known to give the
shout out for a creative tweet along the way. Also,
if you hate watching Kansas City later, let's just call
it what it is. If you see anything from the officials,
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you feel free to let him know about that too
later on over the Sunday night game as we go.
But you know, for all the consternation, there's been a
lot of complaining about what the NFL slate is this week,
there's not a lot of great games, Like you know what,
Not all two seventy two are gonna be gems, And
sometimes the schedules just sync up to where teams have
underperformed and aren't giving you exactly what you want. Right,
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you got the Captain Kirk revenge game Atlanta Minnesota that
has great meaning for both, right, Captain Kirk, who the
last couple of weeks has been terrible. Panic's waiting in
the wings, but the divisions still potentially in play.
Speaker 1 (02:27:57):
And then you've got.
Speaker 9 (02:27:58):
Minnesota, a ten two team that nobody seems to care about, and.
Speaker 4 (02:28:03):
That would probably expected to be the marquee matchup. Right,
you think about Kirk Cousins homecoming, you know you put
that in the main the main deal. That's one that
everyone can talk about. It's easy to build storylines about.
It's just that he's been so bad of late that
you haven't talked about. And the Minnesota Vikings are the
least discussed ten and two team in football.
Speaker 3 (02:28:24):
No, it's it.
Speaker 1 (02:28:25):
It's good, it's solid, but it's it's not sexy.
Speaker 4