Hartman and Poppinga: 05/19/2018

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way is easier. Brady, how are you today? I'm doing fantastic,
there're Steve? How you doing? You're watching that wedding over
in England right now? You know you're getting that? Uh well,
I got a wedding. I got it at four am,
and you get up at four am to watch it live?
Of course, not all I did was I saw that
my daughter was watching it, and the only question I

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asked was, why in the world are we watching a
wedding first on TV and then secondly a wedding of
somebody who is a stranger. What in the flipping world
is going on here? Steve? Now that I am old
enough to admit that I watched when Prince Charles Mary
Princess Diana, that is in one Yeah, but what's the point?

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Who cares? And to think about it. Everybody's like, well,
their princes and princesses, their royalty, But who decided that?
Who who in the very beginning of the monarchy, that's
that's the monarch. Well why did they pick that family
and the pick some other family? Well why can't we
all be princes and princes that centuries and centuries and centuries,
you know, as far as Steve. But it doesn't mean anything.

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That's my whole points. A lot of people, well it's
because it's pure tradition. It doesn't make any sense. What
they need to do is they need to film somebody stranger,
some stranger's wedding and it'll be just as elaborate as
this one and just call it the royalty wedding. It's
just you know what, it's like. It reminds me of
the college football playoff that ESPN has. It's like we
all of a sudden decides that you're the champion. Okay,

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ESPN does, Okay, I guess we're gonna you're gonna be
the national champ. Then I guess instead of his playing
it out, you know, it's like sort of the state thing.
It's like, oh, who decided that this is royalty, you know,
some monarch group. It goes like somebody just designated this
family for royal goes back treas instead. By the way,
it's not Steve said said you go, somebody did just

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randomly decide, Hey, this family is going to be the
real family here. Now here's the deal. There's a good
deal for the royal family. So this Prince Harry guy,
he has the best of all things because his older brother,
unfortunately is in line to actually be the king. No
one wants to do that. I mean, it's a lamee.
But now you don't want to be there because there's
too much responsibility. But this guy, Harry's got it good

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because here here's how it works as far as the
succession to the throne. So when the Queen passes, and
again she's already in her nineties, that doesn't seem to
be slowing down. First in line is Prince Charles, who
of course is the father of William and Harry. He's
the first in line. But a lot of people think
by the time he gets there he'll pass on it.

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He'll pass it on to William. His oldest son, Harry
gets all the goodies. Now let me let me tell
you about wealth. Okay, So the only job that this
thirty three year old Harry actually had was in the military.
Both he and his brother sir in the military, and
he was making a salary about fifty thousand dollars a year. However,
when his mother died tragically in that car crash, she

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had this inheritance that was passed down to her two sons,
and that was money that was passed down to her
by the Queen's mother. Now the queen's mother lived to
be a hundred years old. That was Queen Elizabeth's mother.
And so they're each worth about forty million dollars. That's
how much they have forty million in the bank. But

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they don't have to. Their job is to do what
they are, and that is to be a prince. I mean,
your job is public figure and be a prince. And
so this uh Megan Markle who was on this obscure
show no one saw in USA Network called Suits. But
she's really scoring big, but she has to play along
in this role she has. She's an actress and now

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she's gonna have a new and this was like Princess Grace,
I mean, you know Grace Kelly, who was one of
the biggest stars in Hollywood, and she made area this
prince renier out there in Monaco, and then she had
a new role as this you know queen. So it's
a it's you have to play the role. Think of him,
the actors, think of that. It's sort of like a show,
that's what it is. It's like a reality show exactly.

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So it's like we're watching a reality show. But it's
like a real Disney show exactly, and so some people
are so don't think of it anything seriously. It's not
to be taken seriously. By the way. The the I
do look this up today, the actual royal family is
worth a tune of about eighty eight billion dollars, the

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entire family. Okay, so it's it's it's a good place
to be if if that's your thing. Unfortunately, certain responsibilities
come with it, and it would seem to be an
insanely boring life. But that's that's me, that's you, and
other people might be into it. By the way, is
um is the NBA playoffs still going on? It did
it end? Because I will last night there were no games, uh,

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and the night before there were no games. And I
know I've been watching hockey every night. I don't know
the NHL playoffs are going on, because every single night
there's a hockey game. How is it? Once again, I'm
trying to think of the schedule, and some people got
on to me about this the last time I mentioned this,
but I'm still trying to figure this out. Okay, So
on last Sunday, we had Cleveland Boston opening games, so

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they played Sunday and Tuesday, and then there's Wednesday, Thursday,
Friday off and finally Game three is today. And then
you have the Warriors Rockets. They played Monday Wednesday, and
then they have Thursday, Friday, Saturday off and they play Sunday.
When did this start? Yeah, this idea of these gaping

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holes in these best of seven series, doesn't it sort
of lose a little when we're like, where's the NBA? No? No,
to me, it's it's just builds the anticipation. I like it.
And yeah, well this is why because as you saw
the last game, at least with the Rockets of the
Warriors had Chris Paul had some deal going on with
his chi Les calf, and then obviously you know Steph

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Curry still has got the lingering effects and I would
say it's more conditioning. I don't believe he has any
structural issues, but just the conditioning effects of having sat
out for so long with his knee issue. And it
gives those guys at least a chance to recover instead
of it just being a grind. And I'd rather see
these teams at their best going at each other versus
having the Rockets or the Warriors facing each other with

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two of their best players stuff. And and also Chris
Paul with the Rockets not so I'm good with it.
It builds a suspense of builds anticipation, and I believe
that's what they're going for here. But I can I
see your point too, because it was a big void
in my sports day as I was, you know, looking
forward to whether the Calves played or whatever, the Celtics,

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the Larriors. It's all of a sudd there's three days,
there's nothing to do, Okay, I guess I would have
put on some why there was this this time off?
I mean we had we had games Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Good,
We're off to good start, I mean to it watching
the games, and then Thursday, no game. Okay, Well that
that Friday will be a game. No game, no game? Friend,

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what is going on? All right? So we're gonna resume
the series. Obviously, first stup is gonna be Boston in Cleveland,
and I guess the question is, can't Cleveland get back
in this series? Ever? Again, all Boston did was is
when the first two games at home, in other words,
they held home court. They usually say a series doesn't
really start until a road team wins. Obviously, if Boston
wins tonight, the series is over because no team in

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the history of the NBA Playoffs has ever been down
three oh and come back. The question is what do
you do if you're Cleveland, Because in Game one Boston
shutdown Lebron. Game two they did not. I mean, Lebron
was phenomenal, forty two points, triple double, you know, even
Kevin Love had like twenty two and fifteen and they
still lost and it really wasn't close. It's just amazing

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that with the Celtics, when you lose the Kyrie Irving
and obviously Gordon and Hayward and non factor all season long,
that there any on their depth good things like you
lose your top players, that you're gonna be short changed.
But it's the depth of the Celtic team that's dominated
this series so far. Yeah. I mean also to me,
it's just they're connected. They're all connected because they are

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a legit team. I mean, they don't have egos. You know. Morris,
for example, went from being on the bench now he
was starting, and this started with the beginning of the series,
and uh, you know the guy that he's that the
place he took I believe it was smarts place. He
wasn't complaining about it. He's like, hey, man, let's go.
You know, this is a better matchup. We've got Morris,
Plague Lebron. And as you mentioned, they put a lot

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of guys on Lebron. It's just not Morris, but uh,
you know, he caused them some issues. But to me,
the biggest issue has to do with Lebron. Lebron is
not only the biggest asset, but right now he's the
biggest problem. And here's why. First, when he goes like
the Game one, I do believe he was trying to
delegate and empower a little bit more to his guys
because he knew I can't carry it. I'm just gonna
run out of gas, guys. I can't do this all

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by myself. But the unfortunately thing is, I don't believe
he communicates that with his guys before the game. I
don't believe it's ever a plan. I believe he goes
out there, sort of feels it, and then he's like, Okay,
I'm gonna defer these guys trying to get him involved,
and and they're not ready for it because they're expecting
him just to go out and play pretty much hero
ball the whole time, and then all of a sudden,
when there may be anticipating him in that second game
to maybe continue on that same kind of thing. Okay,

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now we got one game, Let's go out and really
do it. This game, he goes and he plays hero ball.
He just takes over and controls everything, and they're like, Okay,
we'll just sit here and watch Lebron do his thing.
And you can't do that. That's not sustainable, especially agains
the team, Mike. The Celtics that I said is the
epitome of a team to where they're relying on each other, they'
putting their egos aside. One guy can't beat a collective
group of ten guys, you're gonna run out of gas.

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We saw it with Lebron. He was I mean a
third quarter he was done. I mean he had run
out of gas. He was tired, and he was doing
his kind of I call active rest where he's still
on the floor but he's just sort of watching. You know,
he's out there, he's trying to get he's trying to
rest up. He's not defending, and he's trying to get himself,
you know, at least feeling at better than he was previously.

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They can go and attack to him and do his thing,
but that's just not sustainable. So the chance, the only
chance they really have get back into this thing holding
holding serve on their home court is he has to
delegate and empower those guys around him and then pick
his shots. If not, they're gonna be out quick. Yeah,
and again, you be foolish to discount his chances because

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remember just two years ago in the NBA Finals, they're
down too old to the Golden State Warriors seventy three
win Golden State Warriors down two oh, down three one
uh and came back to win that series. In fact,
he has twice been down two O win series and
come back and one So nothing is beyond Lebron James. Now,
speaking of Lebron James, I wanted to get into this because,

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you know, whatever happens in these playoffs, I think more
people are interested in what his future is than what
his present is, because there's so many different possibilities. I'm
gonna throw something out there from the Getico Fox Sports
Radio studios as another alternative that some people are now
saying could be number one on his list as a

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future destination in the NBA. Find out where that is
coming up next. Steve Harman super Bowl champion Brady Papingo
with here on a beautiful Saturday. Hey, what does it
mean when get Go says his fifteen minutes can save
you fifteen cent or more on car insurance? I mean
you probably should have got a Geico dot com fifteen
minutes ago. The Lebron watch. It's gonna get a little

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more interesting. Alright. So, Brady, we we've talked about all
the possibilities. Basically, there are there are four there There
really have been five on the table, all right, these
are the five you have staying in Cleveland, which remember,
if he stays in Cleveland, he can make more money
in Cleveland than anywhere else and you understand that, right,
he can opt out of his current deal. Remember remember

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his contract, he'll make more money. Well he didn he'll
make overall more money, but this did his contract. Okay,
So okay, contract all you can make more, all right,
So that's one possibility. Now there are four other teams.
One of the teams we've been talking about San Antonio
that they're an outside chance because of his respect for Pop,
which he has made absolutely clear. We've talked about Philip.

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You said pot, I said Pop. I said Pop. Uh
think you're thinking pot and I said pot um so
and then you got Philadelphia. People have talked about that
whole dynamic with Ben Simmons and him Bead staying in
the East maybe makes a little sense there. Houston obviously

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has been a big play how that would work though
between himself, the Beard, Chris Paul, that seems like a
weird dynamic. No, it's it's actually let me we'll keep
going and I'll tell you. And then obviously we've also
talked a lot about the Lakers, and the Lakers seem
to be that one team that obviously Laker fans, well,
it's interesting how few Laker fans seem to be excited
about this. You know, I always talked to Nick over here.

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I mean he hates the idea Lebron James in a
Laker uniform. I mean, you're happy with five straight years
of losing and you want to continue that as long
as possible? Is that right? Neck? Oh yes, Steve. I
love the year after year, the speculation and man, Laker,
you can't get enough of it? Yeah, okay, I'm one it.
Why don't you Lebron here? What's going on? I know

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I want Lebron. I'm just trying to say, well, no,
this is how it is. I mean they're like, well, no,
we don't need them, Like really, you don't want Lebron?
That's crazy. But let me know what you're basically saying
is they don't want to keep acting like it's like
they'll remember the whole NFL thing. It's almost like they
used l A to get other stadiums elsewhere, and they're like, Okay,
I'm not gonna fall for it. And and that's basically
you're saying, I'm gonna set yourself up to I think

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actually make an argument we would be better off without Lebron,
like going with that young nucleus ridiculous. All right, but
I'm gonna give you right now because ultimately the decision
will be Lebron's decision. So he has to make He's
got to look into his crystal ball and today to himself,
all right, this is most likely my last deal. He's
already played fifteen years in the NBA. Maybe he's got

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three or four more years, So this is gonna be
his last deal. Where do I give myself the best
opportunity to win and and have the spotlight? And the
fact is it's none of those teams. The team that
he needs to join is the Golden State Warriors. Now

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I have broken it down on exactly Now I'm telling
you this is exactly how it has to go down
for him to become a Golden State Warrior. Follow me
on this. If all this plays out, Lebron will be
a Warrior next season. But all these things have to happen.
First of all, the Warriors and Cavaliers have to engineer

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a sign and trade. Now, this is good for Cleveland.
In other words, he doesn't just walk away and leave
Cleveland empty handed, which is a very positive thing. So
the trade would be Clay Thompson and Andre igu Dolla
to Cleveland for Lebron James. All right, so that's the trade.

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So Igo Dolla and Clay Thompson go to Cleveland for
Lebron James. That's step one. Step two is is that
they got the Warriors have to get Sean Livingston off
the books because they got to create a max salary situation.
So they've got to get him off the books to
somebody that has cap space. So Sean Livingston has to
come off the books. Now here's the one last critical

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piece to actually make this possible, and that is Kevin Durant,
who obviously took less to go to Golden State, is
gonna have to hold off for one more year. So
in other words, he would actually have to accept a
little less than he made this year, which was well
over twenty million, but a little bit less for one

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more year, and hold off on his MAX deal. If
those things happen, and none of that is outrageous, but
if that happens, the Warriors will create enough space to
give Lebron a MAX deal. So you're talking about a
lineup of Lebron, Steph Draymond Green, and Kevin Durant. How

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does that sound to you? That is impressive. I mean
some people say that is that's I mean, like literally,
that's that's. Now the problem again is your bench. Your
bench would basically have to be filled with league minimum guys,

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but you got Lebron, step Draymond and k D. Now again,
think of it, think of it from now. Let's I
want I want you to get inside the head of
Lebron again. I'm giving you all these different options. All right,
So we talked about, you know, going with an established
guy like Pop, or you go to the the young
nucleus that Philadelphia has. You go to a Houston team

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that's at sixty five wins of the Beard and Chris Paul.
You go to the Lakers because you're in l A.
You can stay in clear eleveland or you can engineer
this deal with Golden State. So if you're a Lebron
right now thinking this is that this is my last
hurrah in the n B A, what is my best
road to finishing my career on a high note. Yeah, well,

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I'm gonna say this everybody, like I could see Lebron,
of all guys in the history of the NBA just
joining the best teams to win championships because it seems
like that's what he does, like when he went to Miami,
all those kinds of things. But everybody has their limitations.
And I'm gonna tell you right now the way that, uh,
there's been this rivalry that's formed between the Cleveland Cavaliers

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and the Golden State Warriors, I don't believe that's gonna happen.
I believe that he, more than anything, would want to
see the Golden State Warriors crash and burn at his expense.
He would be he would want to want be the
one to do it to him. So I would say
that throws out the Golden State Warriors immediately, and then
it's about, Okay, how do I position myself to where
I can take them down? And yes, plummet, then that

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to me would either be to the San Antonio Spurs
or to the Houston Rockets. And and now with the
whole Houston Rockets thing, here's how it all works with them,
and and I've I've been fascinated by their offense and
it is one that would fit Lebron For this reason,
they are operating all different levels from the premises of

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is so basketball every basically they I mean, it's it's
another label scheme. You know, you gotta give able to
you know, Mike D'Antoni a bunch of credit here because
he sort of brought this in there. And and basically
what it is is you have all five guys at
three point line, get you know, little spaced out, and
then you gotta you have each guy take a turn
who's really good at going one on one of the
basket to go one on one in the basket, and

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then if the defense collapses, they kick out and they
pass the ball around the horn, and they have really
good shooters on the three point line that can hit
the shot and make the defenses pay for helping out
on that guy who's a real good as sol guy.
So you would do the same thing Lebron. You put
Lebron in there. He's one of the best, if not
the best, I so guy in the history of the NBA,
and some some people's minds that would be able to
easily fit that offense. So you'd have Chris Paul, you'd

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have James Harden, you'd still have all their other guys
and Lebron James, and nobody's gonna I mean, you'd have
less ISO opportunities if you're James Harden, which I don't
think he cares about at this point. He's already you know,
and he realized how hard that is. I think he
would rather sometimes sit on the three point line, let
somebody else go to the hoops, suck in the defense,
and then you know, catch and shoot at three point
shot where his life's a lot easier on him, and

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having Lebron would do that. So I would say that
the the two spots that I would look at if
I'm Lebron to where I could get into media championship,
do something that's never been done, which is to win
a championship with three different teams right in history That's
never been done. Am I right about that? Stevie? No, No,
not as the guy. I guess, like the question would
be with Anzoni or Houston. Yeah, alright, Like going back

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to Houston. I mean the one thing about Lebron when
he went to Miami that was Dwyane Wade's team, and
Dwyane Wade allow Lebron well, I mean his boy. I
mean the bottom line is when when you're on the
when you are the alpha male on the court. I
mean Kobe would never ever ever have a relinkers control

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of the Lakers to anybody. Let so, but but but
somehow Dwyane Wade was allowed. That was Wade's team. I mean,
he carried that team to a championship. That was Wade's team.
Similar to when Steph Curry decided I'm gonna allow Kevin
Durant to do his alpha male thing and and and
Curry took a step back. Now, the question is can

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the Beard do that? I mean, you remember how James
Harden ended up in Houston. He was the third wheel
in Oklahoma City. Can you always imagine if that had
that team had held it to get Remember they got
to the NBA Finals with Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook and
James Harden. But can he do with Steph Curry did
with Kevin Durant, with Dwayne Wade did for Lebron James?
Could he do that with Lebron James? Because wherever Lebron is,

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he is going to be the guy. Oh yeah, And
I don't think they'd be a problem with that, especially
like MVP season. I mean, this is the same thing
about the I mean, is he have the same mentality
you think is Steph Curry? No? No, no, no, no.
But but the thing is is what's ironic about Mike
d'antoni's system is that And like I said, and that's

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like I've realized this. I've I've watched them closer now
than I ever have throughout the whole NBA season because
they're playing, you know, in the in the Western Conference finals.
Is that the really their offense is based around a
bunch of dudes that like to be one of one
basketball players. I mean, I hate to use the word,
it's a harsh word selfish, but it's really an offense

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a system. I should say. That's it's okay if every
guy sort of selfish, because the more selfish you are
in the sense of you wanting to, you know, press
the envelope and attack the hoop, it actually is conducive
to the scheme, which is you're gonna then drive and
the defense collapses and then you're gonna kick it out
and the guy's gonna hit a three or you're gonna
pass around the horn. And so it's it's one of

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those things where you can get you can get a
bunch of Alphamel kind of guys in there, and they
can all get their fix of being the alphamel because
they're gonna get that chance to either play the point
guard or be on the wing and go one on one,
which is really what it comes down to when you're
talking about alphamel Has being able to control that ball
and so and we'll see too. And another indicator of
that answer to the question is going to be how

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things pan out for the Rockets in this series against
the Warriors, if they have to beat the Warriors and
then go on and let's say, win a championship. I
don't think James Harden is gonna have any interest to
bring in Lebron in. But in the you know, the
other end of it, if are excuse me, vice versa,
he would want to bring Lebron in if they uh
oh no, no, I was right, yeah, if they're gonna win,
and he's like, we don't need Lebron. But if they don't,

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I could see them being a little open minded to
bring in Lebron in to get over the hump, so
he could have a championship, you know, titled next to
his name. But like I said, that's gonna be depending
on how the series goes. But but the system set
up to where you can fit a bunch of Alphame
Mel's on one team when you talk about the Houston
Ron and I and I wasn't sure how that way.
He is even gonna work with Chris Paul and James Harden,
two guys that dominate the basketball. But it has worked out.

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We're in the guy called Fox Sports Radio Studios. Alex
Marvez is going to be joining us. We gotta get
into this sole legalized sports gambling. How that's gonna affect
the NFL among other sports leagues. But David gascon standing
by right now and uh, leaning over and now I'm tired.
You're already tired. I'm watching the royal wedding this morning.

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You got up at four am. Hey, but I was
one of the We got like what five six guys
in here. I am one of the guys that actually
watch his suits on us. Whoa whoa, whoa whoa. By
the way, I found it interesting when Megan Margot was
interviewed with Prince Harry and she said she really never
heard of the guy. Uh. And then of course one

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of her friends said, that's interesting because she had multiple
books on his mother. So you know, I just I'm
not skeptical conspiracy. There's a lot of people close to her,
and of course she's divorced and everything else that say,
she's a social climber and now she's reached the menacle,
so good luck to her. And they look like the

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wonderful man. Well, I mean I never really heard about
this guy. I'm like, really, you're the only person on
the planet I've never heard of the royal family, do you? Well?
I mean, well, she had books on his mother. Wouldn't
you think if you have books in your shelf about
Princess Diana, you would know who Harry is. Yeah, that's true.
I mean it would seem like it sounds like you

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have firsthand experience with something like this, like you might
know somebody in this professional rank that. I wish them
all the best. I hope they have a long and
prosperous sure. A T and T Byron Nelson continues round
number three. The share the lead right now with two gentlemen.
It's Aaron Wias and also Mark Leishman. There at fort

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under par, Brian Gay is one stroke behind. Do you Want?
Eastern Conference Finals in the NHL and NBA continued tonight.
Eastern Conference Finals in the NBA takes its act to
Cleveland Cavaler's down that series two games to none, Tyler,
just because we're home, do I I mean that you know
we're gonna play well? We gotta come out and just
take the game. You know, I thought we did a
good job in that first half in Game two. Let

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it get away from us in the third quarter. So
we gotta put a full forty eight minut a game together,
which I know we can. Our fans and Crow I'll
be ready to go, and we would be ready to
go awesome. Away from all that action, the ringers reporting
the Spurs are gonna need a Grand Slam offer to
keep one Kauai, Leonard and Gentleman. An interesting note ex
Cleveland Brown's quarterback Johnny Manzel. He's going north of the border,

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that is right, and he's signed a contract with the
CFLs Hamilton's Tiger Cats. He's a smart move. I mean,
like he said, I gotta get back out on the field.
I mean, you know, so will you watch him? No,
I had no interest in watching the Canadian Football League,
but I mean if he does well there, it gets
another chance of the NFL. Good for him. He's only

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twenty five years old. I mean, it's not like he's
thirty five. So but no, I mean, he has to
get back out in the field. He hasn't played any
football in a while, so we wish him the best.
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when it comes to the National Football League series x M,
NFL Radio, Alex Marvez and Alex Obviously, the big story
this week was the potential of legalized gambling in all
fifty states. We're gonna see how this all plays out.
But the NFL, there's been a lot of speculation about
what the NFL needs to do, and they keep talking
about the integrity of the game. I sort of laugh

(26:32):
about that part of it. But one of the possibilities
they're talking about is full time officials and also maybe
upgrading replay. With so much scrutiny with what everyone anticipates
will be more gambling on the National Football League, what
do you think is gonna happen? Well, I think these
are things that are going to be discussed at the
spring meeting coming up in you know, next week in Atlanta.

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You know, when the owners get together a couple of
things here. Number one, can the NFL really milk and
integrity fee from every state that's doing this? You know right?
I mean, and listen, there's there's private companies that are
that can vet this sort of thing for you that
you end up paying rather than trying to collect an
integrity feet so to speak. I mean, there's a feeling
that maybe if you hire a private investigatory, you know, firm,
that they can do the same things that the NFL

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would do. But I think you know now, you probably
are going to fast track. See. The thing is perception, right,
and you don't want, you know, and you want the
perception to be that you're doing everything you can to
put a product that is up and up on the field.
And there's a perception, and I'm not sure if it's reality,
but there's a perception that quote, full time officials are
going to be better than the part time officiating arrangement
that we have for most of these guys right now.

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So I would imagine that may get fast tracked to
bring folks in. You know, replay is a sticky one
because they're trying to accelerate games, and they don't want
to nitpick, you know that. You look at the white
the now what's a catch? What isn't a catch? I
think you're getting back to something that's a little bit
more wide open. And you know, there are some owners
that are against expansion of replay beyond what it is now.
So I'm not sure how much further it's going to go.

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I mean, look in the lead. Honestly, they need to
put somebody in charge of this sort of thing. I mean,
they need like a czar of gambling. I mean, you
know what I'm saying. Because there's so many other things
going on. How are you going to vet every employee?
How do you emphasize? What type of speech do you
give them during the preseason to show, hey, look if
we catch you, you you know, giving out information to people,
you know, to try to influence the betting line and

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things like that, you know we're going to persecute you
to the to every extent of the law. I mean,
things like this that are going to go on with
the league. I'm not sure if they have the infrastructure
in place themselves to do this right now. And what
does that look like? Having a czar that is always
what investigating out there kind of with their finger on
the pulse of what's going on with gambling, the integrity
the game. I mean, how does that all come together? Well,

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I would think that it would be someone that would
you listen, would would first work with someone in media
relations or in marketing or whatever to try to get
across that the league is being proactive, but also just
to monitor things. You know, you're gonna have to monitor emails.
You know, I would imagine now teams maybe possibly you know,
our guys sending out information. You know, it's it's weird,
but you're gonna have to basically have a series of
checks and balances in place to make sure. And look,

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I don't think it's players who are necessarily going to
be throwing games, although you never know with an arch
lester type of things and football it's a different type
of deal. But I think it's some of the guys.
Is that the assistant you know, assistant trainer who's making
thirty tho dollars a year that you know may be
susceptible that you know loves to gamble and may be
susceptible to some day. Well, I don't think this guy
is gonna be playing on Sunday and allowing people to

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get an edge like that. You know, I think that's
something that you consider. How about officials, you know, do
you want to Tim donahe situation? You just I think
you need to for optics, have someone that's been put
in charge of this as well, even if it's it's
stuff that might be able to be handled by other departments.
I just think it shows that the NFL is serious
about keeping, as Steve was say, the integrity of the
game in check. I mean the big thing is, like,

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you know, do you lose public trust if you know
there is a gambling scandal and it's not so much.
You know, I think football would survive, But then you
start getting government intervention. And I think the last thing
that you want if you're the NFL is the government
to be sniffing around your business. Oh and is that
a fact? And I know they've been really pushing for
the I the federal government coming up of some guidelines.
That's not gonna happen. Okay, this is gonna be on
a state by state basis, And I mean, well we'll

(30:06):
get into that on our show a little bit later
on I want to switch greeters to the Reuben Foster situation.
So this guy obviously accused of domestic abuse against his
ex girlfriend and as a turnout, she made up the
whole story. I mean, this is incredible when you saw
this dialogue play out where she's sitting there saying she
made the whole thing up to ruin him because she

(30:28):
was bent out of shape that he dumped her. And
then she admits she actually did this to a previous boyfriend,
try to ruin his life after she got dumbed. But
it always gets back to this idea of you know,
innocent until proven guilty, But it's really the reverse now,
and where does the NFL go with this kind of
a story. This guy was innocent, he maintained his innocence,

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yet we had to sort of play along like, well,
it's we have to look at him as guilty until
proven innocent. If she doesn't come clean, he's still guilty.
Does this Is this a game changer at all? In
sort of the haste branding someone guilty in the National
Football League because of so many outside pressures and the

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perception that you know, this is a renegade league that
they don't really take this kind of interaction. Uh, seriously,
I would think that the media, they'll definitely stop reporting
things prematurely. No, probably not. I mean, and think about
this too though. I mean, I don't know if this
is an NFL problem so much as it is a
problem with the District Attorney's office. I mean, what type

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of case did you just put together there? And look,
Ruben Foster hasn't been suspended or anything like that from
the NFL, so you know, and this whole thing may
fall apart, and the forty Niners did stick by him
and they said, we're trying to investigate this ourselves. But listen,
it's a it's a quick rush to judgment because Ruben
Foster hasn't been living life exactly great off the field,
you know, doesn't have a great reputation. I think if

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it was a guy that didn't have some things in
his background, then maybe this would be a different type
of thing as far as the picture that is being
painted of him. But you know, I think that really
I think this goes beyond the NFL. Now that being said,
what are we going to get here as far as
an investigation goes from the NFL? Because you know, as
you know, with Ezekiel Elliott and I'm just gonna use
that because it's a domestic violence case and you know
there was you know, never even any charges. He never

(32:14):
even had it. Excuse me a day in court about this,
and you get to a suspended six games. Think about that, right,
I mean, are they going to go with civil type
rules here when it comes to this case with Ruben
Foster and say, well, we think it's likely that you
hit her even though she said you didn't. So you're
sitting out for six games, and I think that's something

(32:34):
to watch as well. Plus he's got a drug thing
coming up, a marijuana charge that's coming up to So
when we see Ruben Foster on the field again, I
don't know, but after this weekend, court a lot better
than what it was. Yeah, it's gonna also talk to
you about, you know, when you're talking to interpreting interpreting
all these situations. This new interpretation of this helmets helmet
rule came out with some more information. Troy Vincent said,

(32:57):
you know, we went reviewed every single one of these
incidents is last year and if this rule would have
been implemented, we would have had only three ejections. So
I mean I'm still confused with this, Alex. Maybe you
shed some light on this. I'm confusing to I'm confused
because everything everything which McKay said to us, you know
when I interviewed him in March, was wrong essentially. You know,

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what they're talking about now is if just don't use
the helmet as a weapon. That's what it's come down to.
They realize that the other stuff is too difficult to formulate, right,
I mean you're talking offensive line play. How are you
going to punish an offensive lineman for leading with this helmet?
You know, they're looking for just agregious plays where basically
the helmet is used as a weapon. That's what it
comes down to, and that's what that's what we're gonna
end up seeing. I think the kickoff rules a pretty

(33:38):
radical change as well. The sure if you saw the
permeations of app but that's one that will be voted
upon this weekend. I mean, no more running starts, really,
I mean you're basically one yard behind the kicker and
then you can go and there's a zone where the
bulk of the blockers have to be on the on
the receiving team, you know, between the fifty yard line.
And I believe it's the thirty five or the forty,
and you have to have eight guys that are located

(33:59):
in there, and you can't you know, stack, you know,
six guys on one side, four and the other in
the kicker if you're the if you're the kicking team,
it's that east side has to be five and five.
I mean there. It's they're trying to save the kickoff
and make it more than a ceremonial play. They'll see
if this reduces the concussion injuries. And again it's all
about you know, look, player safety. But when I say that,
I'm using air quotes, which doesn't translate well on radio.

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But the point is that the league is trying to
do a little c y a here. They want to
try to convince parents. I guess we are taking steps
to make the sports safer. Oh and by the way,
how's that concussion lawsuit? Join? Yeah, exactly? Great stuff is
always Alex. So much to talk about in such a
short amount of time. Nobody does it better. We'll talk
to you next week. Sounds great, and listen to neither
if you go up to Canada for two years, just

(34:41):
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All right. I want to get into this, Brady, about
this legalized gambling in the National Football League and some
of the major questions that the NFL is going to

(35:03):
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(35:25):
the Pandora's box has been open, and we'll see how
this all plays out. There's a lot of layers to this,
but I want to get from the players standpoint. One
of the things that is just bizarre to me, Brady,
is that NFL players are allowed to take part in
fantasy football leagues. And the reason he knows well and
and here's here's what's the joke, alhole matter they said.

(35:48):
They said, well, they're not tied to gambling. I'm like, wait,
hold on, so in no words, so they said they
can participate as long as there's no money at stake.
Is there such a thing is a fantasy football league
where there's no money at stake? That can That exists? Yeah,
I think it exists. It's just one of those friendly,
you know, kind of leagues with your buddies where you

(36:10):
just sort of have it as anybody out there and
it participates in a fantasy football league where there's no
money at stake, anybody name I mean, oh yeah, I
mean I've I've run it a lot of guys that
really it was. Yeah, I mean, it's not nothing at stake.
They just do it for fun. Yeah, they just do
it for fun. But I've never heard of it's not okay,
it's to me, it's it's stupid even say you can

(36:30):
participate if there's no money, because it only opens the
door for everybody to participate. Like you said, it's not
the norm for there not to be money, So you're
opening the door basically for these guys to participate in
a gambling kind of environment. But I'll tell you this,
there is absolutely no question that it is a conflict
of interest for the players. I'll never forget it. Man,
We're down in Jacksonville two thousand and eight. Maurice Drones

(36:53):
Drew was the running back. He did he had a
good day against us. He uh, And what happened was
is they were driving the ball down. They got within
like the five yard line. They ran him the first play,
we stuffed him. The next play they ran like this
kind of it's they call it a fullback dive and
they hand the ball to fullback. They tricked us and
the guy scored the touchdown. And Maurice Jones Drew's running

(37:14):
is the Crikratchland. He's like, man, he's messed with my
fantis points. I'm like, what do you worried about your
fantasy points? You guys world to the game, you know,
and you hear that all the time when we were playing.
You're like, man, my fantasy when you are not gonna
be very happy, you know. So it's something that's out there.
And the fact that they allow that, I mean, it's
playing with fire. That guys are all of a sudden
gonna just you know, they need to go off the

(37:35):
reservation to tell coaches hey man, I need to get
the ball or wait, I'm gonna go play fullback here.
I mean, I don't know. There's a number of different
things that could potentially come with that that it will
have compromised the integrity of the game. Uh, not to
say they go out and throw. I mean because to me,
the fantasy motivates the guys that want to produce. It's
not that they want to go out there and you know,
lay an egg for the people that own them, because

(37:56):
they take pride in wanting to help whoever had picked
them in their fantasy league. If anything, it will sort
of create this environment of everybody's want to go out
to to create the most opportunities to get the most
fantasy points, which caused some issues amongst the team and
how the team operates. But no, I mean you should
let these guys protict. Well and here here's here here's
the problem. Alright, well fantasy but you already are allowing that.

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So my question is are you gonna allow them to
gamble on the sport? And I mean so if if if,
if gambling eventually is going to be legalized in all
fifty states. I got a lot of things that are
going on for instance. But how we think about it,
how are you now It's not like people aren't betting
on sports. We know that, we know that Michael Jordan

(38:38):
was forced into an early retirement in because he was
so so deep into gambling that they had it was.
It was documented when he had the two checks that
appeared documented with checks that showed up on David Stern's
death from an instant. You know of some underworld guy
that had Michael Jordans canceled checks. Yeah, this was all documented,

(38:59):
all right, But this is not I've never seen those documents.
I can't say. I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna go
document the tree fell without me seeing it, and I'll
just pretend I'm not saying that Jordan's through games. What
I'm saying is he was betting on himself to win
the same thing to happen in the NFL with Paul
Horney and Alex Harris back in the mid sixties, they
were the part of the two best teams in the LINK.
They were betting on themselves to win. I wish all,

(39:21):
I wish all athletes would have money on themselves winning
that that would make it much more interesting, maybe a
lot more at stake for them if they actually have
money writing on whether they play well in a game.
And that's an alternate universe because the easiest thing to
do is to throw the game, at least in people's mind.
Whether he bets on himself in Vegas all the time

(39:41):
on his fight. Yeah, and it's a lot. It's a
lot more difficult to go out there and actually perform
well and do the right thing than it is to
go through a game missing assignment block that could control
the outcome of the game. So, I mean, yeah, I'm
with you, man, I don't know. I I don't. My
point is, should a player be allowed to bet? Let's
say I am if I can? I mean, if I bet,
you can't regulate it. That's the thing is you can't

(40:03):
regulate it. I mean there's certain bets that are Rodgers
and I want to bet on the Rams forty Niners game.
Is there any harm in that? If it's it's a
legal bet. I'm not in the game. So shouldn't be
able to do You should be able to because you
can use your expertise to help. It's because if you're
gambling too is an interesting term. Is it really gambling?
If You're bringing a tremendous amount of knowledge skill set

(40:26):
to the situation. What's the difference between investing in the style?
See when I when I worked with the legendary check forty,
it was a compulsive gambler, UH and a reform one
and talked about the Jordan's situation during the nineties. He says, Look,
if you're a gambler, you want information. You want to
gamble on things you have knowledge of. So of course

(40:47):
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(41:07):
way is easier. I want to stay with this sports
gambling situation for a second here, Brady, because you know,
um so, the first thing that came out was the
professional sports leagues, UH say that they want a piece

(41:28):
of the action, which I found interesting. They were talking
about it to maintain the integrity of the sport. They
want from one like one percent. Now, let's let's let's
slow down for a second here, let speak, let me
let me analyze that. I always find it funny because
they always used for the integrity of the sport as
a preface to basically try to like disarm everybody to

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say this is for the better of the good, when
the reality is like, we just want to get richer, man,
we just want to find a way to exploit what
you're doing. And leverage is a week and get rich.
Why don't you just tell us that? Stop tell us
for the do you have the game? All right, I'm
gonna tell you what unlikely to happen across the board here.
All right, let's let's start with again. This was a
This was a law that was overturned, is what it was.

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And it made sense. Why should the state of Nevada
have a monopoly on sports gambling? It was the only
state allowed the sports gambling dating back too. I mean,
that's that's an American no. No, monopolies are not should
not be part of our system. So this means that
now all fifty states can engage in this. I I
did you see about the state of Pennsylvania and how

(42:31):
they may have derailed themselves already. So in the state
of Nevada, the way it works is um the taxes,
in other words, the state. So if you're a gambling establishment,
all right, and you turn a net profit, you have
to pay tax on that. And the tax in the
state of Nevada is about six point seven alright. So

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if you're a gambling establishment and you you know you,
your books are there, and you have a net profit,
you gotta pay a six point seven five percent tax
on that. Pennsylvania is already saying that a similar situation
they will charge a thirty four percent tax percent, not
six point seven, a thirty four percent. Now, if you're

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if you're like one of these people, wait is well, yeah,
but I'm not gonna do that because I want to
actually walk away with money. I don't want to be
given away all of our net profits. So there's gonna
be roadblocks along the way. Now, the NFL, NBA, n
c A have all jumped in and said, hey, we
need federal guidelines, we need we need one set of
rules for all fifty states. And the federal government is

(43:37):
not going to do that, all right, That is they're
not going to waste too much time. They're not gonna
do that. They're gonna say, look, this is going to
go on a state by state situation. So that's when
you hear the NBA, NFL saying all right, we want
for this integrity a percentage of the action. And I
was talking, oh yeah, so you know we we we

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hear about this, and you know what the states are
gonna say, We're not gonna give you a cent. You're
not gonna get one percent or point to five percent.
You're gonna get nothing. So ultimately, what these professional leagues,
and I include the n c A as well as
all right, how do we get our money? I mean,
how do we make our money? And this is what's

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gonna get really interesting because you're gonna have I'm just
using the NFL as an example because we talk a
lot of NFL. So what the NFL is gonna do
is you're gonna see them align themselves literally with gambling establishments.
Once one is, once it's legalized, they will say this
is the official gambling home of the National Football League.

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That's step one. The other thing you're going to do
is when you're watching NFL coverage on the networks. This
goes back to the old Jimmy the Greek days back
in the seventies when you actually literally had Jimmy the
Greek with the odds and everything else that will return
in earnest. In fact, the little scroll that you'll see,
you're gonna see point spreads on every single game because

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again it's legal and and the NFL is the NFL
is smart. All these professional leagues are smart. They understand
with more people gambling on the sports and again far
more eyeballs on the game. And then we can also
get back to putting fannies back in the seats. And
I've taught you how many times have I told you

(45:22):
about you know, legalized gambling in the stuff. I've talked
about this for years. Now, all of a sudden it's possible,
and so they will take advantage of this any way
that they can generate a new stream of revenue. So
you know, well, the NFL and these other leagues like well,
we have concerns about the integrator sport. I guarantee you

(45:43):
behind closed doors, man there I find me like, whoa man,
we just hit the jackpot. Now more people are gonna
be gambling more eyeballs on us. We it only makes
our sports that much bigger. Yeah, well, I'll tell you this.
And it's also now an opportunity for the n C
ballet to finally move in the direction of paying the athletes.

(46:04):
And it's because now you're gonna have an extra revenue
stream that you're gonna draw from. And I disagree, I
believe you're gonna be able to regulate this. They can
go in there to all these establishments that are betting
on NZ double A Sports, NBA sports, whatever, league sports,
and you can say, look, we're not going to allow
you to use our names, our lead because we have

(46:25):
a trademark on them. And unless we give you a
permission that's going to be negotiated with a fee for
you to use all the team names, our league name,
and any kind of business business establishment that ultimately makes
you money, you're not gonna you're not gonna mention us,
you're not gonna talk NFL, you won't be able to
mention any of our thirty two teams or anything like it.
And that already exists on other levels in other another

(46:46):
For example, in the fitness world, you can't go in
to a class and say this is a spinning class.
For example, I'm gonna make money off of this class
without getting express written uh permission from the the entity
that owns the name spinning. And so that's where this
is good. This is good for all these leagues because
they can go in there and they can basically now

(47:08):
leverage their trademarks and their names to get the money
that they want out of these gamblers and these gambling establishments.
And so for the n cuble, it's fantastic. And if
you are the players, are you know any kind of
situation where you can leverage this and say, okay, now
it's time. Because before I can see where there was
an argument to say, hey, we just don't have the
money to to you know, to sustain the program and

(47:31):
everything that we know it to be if we're gonna
go and pay the players, you know, whereas now it's like, well,
why don't you take that gambling money and have that
instead of being like money that goes into pockets of
the organization or just goes into just building random buildings.
That seems where the extra money goes in these campuses
these days and renovating old ones. Have that be the
uh like a fund that pays the players you know,

(47:51):
have that be this is what's gonna be the funds
to ultimately play the guys to their or the ladies
their market value instead of just the scholarship was as
we know, which is below market value. So I see
they're only being positives from this as long as this
continues to evolve. And I don't know why people think
this all of a sudden gonna become the Wild West
and there's gonna be no regulation and there's gonna be
no structure. No, there will be because you have other places,

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you know, uh you could say, other kind of uh
uh assets in place that you can leverage against these
gambling entities to ensure that you're gonna get your share
of it. And so this is good. This is moving
in the right direction to maximize what we know the
earning potential of professional sports to be. And yes, n
C double A, Ladies and Gentlemen, is professional sports. Don't

(48:35):
think that it's not. They've tried to brainwash you all
these years and calling an amateurism. It's not. It is
professional sports. Well, it is professional sports. And and again,
as we both have been mocking the idea of the
integrity of the game. Look at sports, gambling has been
around as long as sports. I mean the Gladiators. I
guarantee you they were wagering on the Gladiators, all right,

(48:55):
So that as long as there's been sports, there have
been people betting in some form on sports. And so
the only difference now is is it's like the legalization
of marijuana. It's it's it's as we have they estimated
that illegal betting. We're talking about your local books, offshore betting,
all this betting is at a minimum two billion dollar

(49:16):
industry per year. Then that's that's probably a very low bar,
probably closer to so if you suddenly legalize that, that's
a lot of revenue coming in. So it does make sense.
But getting back to that integrity fee that the like
Adam Silver was talking about, people don't quite understand this.
You know, when you hear about gambling, you're you're you're assuming,

(49:37):
of course that these uh sports books are just rolling
in money. Well not necessarily. Now, according to Hollywood Casino,
they broke this all down. They said nine of all
money that's wagered at a sports book is actually paid
to the winning betters. The sports book then pays taxes, wages,
other expenses on that remaining five percent. So what they

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say is per a hundred dollars to the total sports
folk revenue per a hundred dollars is six cents. No,
again there's there's but again six cents multiplied, you know. Yeah,
it's small margins. Margins when when they talk about well
we want one percent of well, you you're not gonna

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get one percent of the money wager. Obviously it would
have to be of the net provience. But if they
only get this is five percent is what they get
out of the hundred percent that is actually wager. Their
net profit is five percent and you want one percent
of that? You know how much money that isn't money? Yeah,
and I imagine that they don't understand that. I mean

(50:43):
most of these leagues they don't understand that interesting sees
of the margins behind these you know, gambling operations. So
you're gonna probably have to adjust what kind of fear
going for so you don't run them out of business,
because you always you know, the thing, it's funny in
the business worlds, like everybody wants everything for free, but
it's like, well, if you wanted everything I wanted for free,
and I am I have a product that you want.
Guess what, I'm all of a sudden not gonna be
able to give you anything for free because I'm gonna

(51:03):
become nonexistent, you know what I mean. And so the
same thing with these gambling entities is that it's like,
if you you're asking for too big of a fee,
you're gonna pretty much run them out of the market
to where they're gonna be extinct and no longer is
that fee gonna be available. So you probably gotta adjust
to where it's relative to what they're making so everybody
can operate and be in existence as a business for
there to be any money to be made. So I

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would say that probably is what's being adjusted. It's not
that there's gonna be a fee. I still I still
see there being a very strong avenue that these teams,
the leagues, and the associations, like they're all gonna be
able to get a cut of this. It's just a
matter of trying to figure out what's fair to where
you can keep these teams. Are these teams, these entities,
you know, continuing to be a business that's up and

(51:45):
running and it's viable, and yeah, maybe one percent off
the top will will completely run them under. But there
might be a quarter of a percent or something there
to where it could make sense. So we'll see what happens.
But I love I think this is great for all sports.
I really do. For the reasons you may do more. Absolutely, no, no, no,
there's I guarantee they're high fiving. This is huge for us.

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But they're gonna have to, especially the n C n
c A is the ones that have to be really
careful on how they approach this, because they're also jumping
in with like, oh yeah, we like one percent. They
all want one percent. That's not gonna that is not happening,
all right. They're not gonna the sports books are gonna
explain him that that's just no, no, no no, our profit
margin is thin enough. We're not gonna start distributing into

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each of these entities. That is just not gonna happen,
all right. When the guy go Fox Sports Radio Studios,
a big name in baseball got suspended again. The question
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another prominant athlete has tested positive full denial of course,
uh Robinson Canoe UH. He tested positive ready for UH furiosomide.

(53:12):
This is a diuretic that is used to dilute UH
urine samples and cheap drug testing regiments. Um So. In
other words, it's not a performance enhancing drug. It's a
masking drug, is what it is. A Major League Baseball
felt that they had enough evidence to prove that he
used it with intent exactly. That's the thing is why

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would you That's the question at hand. Why would you
use that if you had nothing to hide, You have
nothing to hide, there's no reason to put the masking
agent in there. So, yeah, it's obvious you know that,
that's that's happening, and it's look, I mean, the reality is,
is there a there's a even though I would say
baseball has the best at least at least one of
the best testing systems and all of professional sports. And

(53:58):
it's because of the big backlash of the State right
era with McGuire, Sosa and all these other guys coming
out with you know, performance and answers, which was ironic
because at that time it wasn't illegal, but they felt
like they had to clean up their image. Now we
got this very strict drug testing policy that the implement.
I mean, you can't even take HD h okay, NFL.
You could take hdight now it's not it's not you know,

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you can say, uh, something that isn't against the rules.
It still is against rules, it's just they can't test it.
So you know that goes guys are going to But
my point is this, guys are still gonna They're going
to be a step ahead of the drug testing procedures.
And this is one way, you know, put some kind
of chemical or a mask engagent in your urine sample
that maybe they haven't thought of, or maybe that they

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are still trying to evaluate if it's in fact something
that is a mask engagent, and you can get away
with it for a certain certain time, it's all of
a sudden that that test catches up to you before
you make your nest next step. And I tell you
there are a number of guys out there in baseball, basketball,
football that I mean, it's a competitive sport. I mean
a lot of money Cano afterwards said I would never

(55:03):
do anything to cheat the rules of the game I
love and after undergoing dozens the drug tests over more
than a decade, I've never tested positive for performance annancing
substance for the simple reason that I have never taken one. Now,
what was very interesting was Marked to share him. So
Mark to share his former Yankee teammate was on a
radio show and he was asked about Cano. Was he chocked,

(55:26):
and he had one of the greatest answers ever. He goes.
He starts off by saying, Yeah, I don't really want
to get into too much detail. I love Robbie. I'm
just not surprised. I don't really want to go too
much further. But I think a lot of people are
kind of saying the same thing. And then he goes
into full detail, so you know, I really don't want

(55:47):
to talk about it. And then he just got started.
Here's soh Now now he starts rolling, he goes, he goes,
let's just use this situation here. This is two shared taking.
I love this. Let's just use this situation here. Robbie
Cano's assistant was on the list for biogenesis. Now, of
course he had an assistant. You know, buy stuff for him.
Alex Rodriguez got popped by Biogenesis, as did Milky Cabrera,

(56:10):
another former Yankee outfielder. He got popped and they were
best friends. When someone gets lumped into that group, it's
because there's evidence. There's a paper trail, there's a smoke trail.
This is from a guy said, I really don't want
to talk about this. Then he gave graphic detail how
Robbie connection to Biogenesis that got both Alex Rodriguez and

(56:30):
Melky Cabrera his friends busted. Oh man, this is just
its nuts. But I was wondering when he was making
a statement like what happened with the old I took
a supplement and didn't realize what was in it thing.
I mean, no, no, no, he didn't do that. He
because his idea was that this masking agent in itself
is not a performance enhancing drug. Major League Baseball says,

(56:52):
we understand that, but we know why it's used. It
is a masking agent to the lute samples. And and
he did contested. I mean, he's he's gonna lose over
eleven million dollars with this question, though, is his deal
coming up? Though this he got a deal that you
know is expiring soon. Well, let me let me check

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this out, Robinson, because there's there's a strategy though. Well,
I mean when we saw that with Ryan Braun, all right,
he still has after this year, five more guaranteed years
of four stupid, stupid. So this is what he did.
It's a strategy these an NBA, A Major League baseball
guys are doing. Ronnie Harrison did something similar, but it

(57:35):
wasn't a money grab. Is more just a well that's
probably a money grab. And what it is is they've
been They fully get it that they're doing something wrong,
and they fully get it to hey, you most likely
we're gonna get popped. But guess what, as soon as
I get popped, I'm already gonna have in baseball anyway.
I'm gonna have my guaranteed deal set. And so I'm

(57:55):
not all of a sudden going to, you know, give
up anything and I'll serve my suspension. But to get
that money, I'm willing to make an investment of whatever,
like you said, eleven million dollar investment, and that's my
suspension to get How what did he get a hundred
million or so? Over? He gets here? He got a
he had signed a ten year, two forty million dollar contracts,
So the last five years of the deal starting next year,

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he has guaranteed a hundred and twenty million dollars over
the next five seasons. So he loses a million dollars
this year, but he's still This goes back to Ryan Braun. Now,
remember Ryan Braun was riding the way. He had just
signed a huge contract with the Milwaukee Brewers. He got busted.
He is still getting paid huge money guaranteed for a

(58:38):
couple more years. He has been a shadow of what
he used to be when he was on the performance
dancing exactly. Now of a sudden, he's just a guy
as opposed to being one of the most fierce sluggers
in the league. But what did he care betterally? It
also gets back to this legacy thing, you know when
we keep talking about halls of fame. I've always said
this about like Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame,

(58:59):
and again, for different circumstances, Pete Rose gets more notoriety
not being in the Hall of Fame than he would
if he actually were in the Hall of Fame. Am
I right? He has profited more personally by not being
in the Hall of Fame. I mean, you know how
he used to set up like his little autograph table
there during Hall of Fame weekend. Now, if he was

(59:20):
in the Hall of Fame, he'd just be on the
long list with you know, the Errands and the Maze,
all those guys. But by the all, the notoriety of
not being in the Hall of Fame has worked wonders
for Pete Rose, right, Yeah, it's highlighted him even more because,
like you're right, he'd be sort of just one guy
amongst others. Now he's literally in a category of himself,
a guy that everybody thinks should be in there. That's

(59:41):
not so yeah, I mean, I get I get you
that in is he might always think about these Hall
of Fames, you know who. You know, it matters to
the Hall of Fame, going like football, it matters to
Jerry Kramer. You know, it doesn't really matter to Joe Montana,
if you like, it doesn't matter to Aaron Rodgers. I mean,
Aaron Rodgers is sort of a of that. I mean,
when Joe Montana got elect to the Hall of Fame,

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he admitted, I really don't know how did what this means?
But what what what does this mean. I mean, I
was about winning super Bowls, championships, and obviously I played
at the highest level. But for some of these guys
that those you know, that next level. Hey, the Hall
of Fame is a big deal. Start of like, Hey,
you know, I I'm not. I wasn't as good as
these guys. But now that I'm in the Hall of Fame,

(01:00:23):
we're like in the same club. But I I just
I don't think it really matters to these people all
that much. For Robinson Canoe, if you just were told, hey,
you know, that's it, man, you're out, I mean, eighty games, suspension,
p d S, you're done. You're you're exactly I mean again,
hundred and twenty million dollars guarantee in the next five decision.

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It's all businesses. Now. I'll tell you one guy though,
Rodney Harrison. This is what's interesting about how guys are
strategizing using performance enhancers, whether to make money. But when
you talk about legacy, I do believe Rodney Harrison used
it for legacy purposes. If you remember, he had bus
for taking h D H towards a see I forget
what years it was, and uh he I have to
imagine He justified it as saying, look, I'm probably gonna

(01:01:06):
get busted. Maybe I don't, but even if I did,
worst case scenario, I'm gonna miss six games of a paycheck.
I've already made nine money I'm gonna make in my career.
But if I don't come back from this a c L,
I'm gonna get cut by the newing of the Patriots
and I'm not gonna have another chance to make a
run of the super Bowl. So I'm willing to take
that worst case scenario six games suspension to be on

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the team, have a chance to win a super Bowl,
and to further my legacy. So I mean, it's it's
it's really it comes down to. These tests are one thing,
but if you really like to me, it's like this,
If you really want to have these tests have some
teeth and bite where guys are gonna follow them and
follow them religiously, the consequences have to be far more severe.

(01:01:50):
I mean, for example, in baseball, if you get busted,
you have to have the ability from a team standpoint
to void the rest of their contract. If you did that,
I guarantee you guys would not mess around owned with
the system in the NFL. If you kicked the guy
out for the whole year, first first offense, he's gone
for the whole year. You wouldn't see guys messing around
with this. And and that's why I do believe that

(01:02:11):
these teams have to realize that's like, if you really
want to come across like you keep the game clean
and full of integrity, you gotta have the the actual
tests that ensure that means something. And at this point,
guys are using it stretched strategically and they're coming out far,
you know, greater by by leveraging it. Then if you know,
they would have just played clean and and gone by

(01:02:32):
the rules. And so they're using it basically, is my point.
And so I'd like to see these teams leagues. I'd
like to see the consequence be more severe well, and
like avoiding their contracts simple as that, I mean contract. Well,
we'll see if the players Union never goes for that.
Where in the guy go? Fox Sports Radio Studios. I
want to talk about who is the single most valuable

(01:02:53):
person in this calv Celtics series. Well, let's check in
right now with David Gascon. I see what you did there, Yeah,
talking valuable introduced me I appreciate that. I don't know
what kind of price tag we can put on you,
although your employers seem to have a very firm idea
of your value as for all of us. But it

(01:03:13):
hurts Steve exactly. We're friends. It's amazing when you when
you have an employer and they say this is what
you're worth, and you're like, really, well that's what That's
what your parents and loved ones are. Thank you you
No matter what. My parents always loved me, my my
my children. I don't know. Sometimes it depends. Yeah, there's

(01:03:34):
there's little caveats there. The women of your your life,
the loves of your life. How about you, Brad? Do
you feel a hundred you feel a hundred percent love
a hundred percent of the time? No? No, I mean
sometimes you just have to hold onto those moments when
you get your love to make up for the gaps
where you're not loved and appreciate it. And it's life, man.
You gotta just go hit the flow. Yeah, you gotta

(01:03:55):
roll with the punches. Right well, we love you right now, David.
We always like all right, well here I am spread
the love. As we continue into the good Saturday afternoon,
Major League baseball taking center stage right now. Dodgers leading
the Nationals in d C, top of the second in
game one of a doubleheader, one to nothing. John Peterson
scored in that affair, A's and Blue Jays. The ball
games on FS one right now, nothing doing just yet.

(01:04:17):
Oakland's got two runners on with two outs on the
top of the fifth inning, no score. Red Ley game
one of a double header over the Cubbies two to one.
In that affair Phillies and Cardinals, there's no score as
of yet. Switching on over to the Eastern Conference Finals,
which will continue tonight in the NBA, Cavaler's down that
series two games to none. Tip off time well later

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on tonight. And what do we mean by that is
eight fifteen Eastern, But as Stephen mentioned, NBA taking a
couple of days off of action. National Hockey League is not.
Game number five Eastern Conference Final is tonight. Buck drops
at seven fifteen Eastern Capitals in Tampa Bay, lightning that
series tide at to two, and Steve, I'm sure you notice,
but all four games one by the road team. See

(01:05:00):
if Tampa can change their luck around tonight down in Florida.
I thought that series was over obviously when Tampa loses
the first two of the Caps at home and then
they go right into uh, beat the Caps on the road.
So I don't know why why is that? Do you?
What do you think? In in the in the NHL playoffs,
that's so many road teams win two reasons. One goaltending

(01:05:20):
can never be turned off. And two teams just play
a lot more conservative and so they don't try to
get in front of their skates. I guess one can
say they just don't try to do too much. When
you're playing at home, you try to do a little
bit more than you're accustomed to doing. This is like
approach when you're on the road. So yeah, all right, well,
great series going on there. We're gonna get into the
amazing run of these Golden Knights coming up to a

(01:05:41):
short like I gotta get into that getting sweaty. Yeah,
I mean, well, what a story, what a story? All right, David,
thanks so much. We're coming alive from the guy go
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about Halls of Fame. A little bit it. And if
you if you go to the Baseball Hall of Fame

(01:06:02):
or the Pro Football Hall of Fame, um, you're gonna find, uh,
comparatively very few managers as coaches as opposed to actual
players in their halls of fame. That is not the
case in basketball. There in the Nasmith Memorial Basketball Hall
of Fame, there are about a hundred and fifty players
and a hundred coaches. I mean, think about that for

(01:06:25):
a second. In the in the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
I think there's like twenty coaches. So you have you
have this this idea that in basketball especially that the
coach is so much more valuable in that sport, at
least by the Hall of Fame standards, than in any
other sport. Which gets me to this Celtics Cleveland series.

(01:06:48):
Let me ask you, this is the most valuable person
in this series? Not Lebron James, but Brad Stevens. Are
we are we overstating Brad Stevens impact on the Celtic team. Now,
he tries to downplay, but that's his personality saying that
that this is totally overplayed. But from your viewpoint, is

(01:07:10):
he the most valuable person? In this series. I don't
think so, because here's the thing is, I don't look
at because when you look at the Boston Celtics, what
makes them over chief right now is the fact that
they don't have Gordon Hayward, they don't have Kyrie. That's
why you say that overachieving. But you still got these
guys like Rosier and Tatum and Brown. I mean they

(01:07:33):
were still playing very solid and and almost like emerging
into superstar kind of like on the first level, superstar
level of basketball. But to me, that's more of a
function of a team of guys whose personalities mesh well together.
And so me, the most valuable guy here is Danny Ainge.
Danny Ainge has done a phenomenal job of not only

(01:07:56):
picking the players whose personalities messed together. And I know
he does that because it was back in the early
two thousands. I was at b y U and Danny
Ainges is a b y U guy, and his son,
he and I we talked and and so on and
so forth, and there was a time where he sent
off like Walker, You remember Walker, who was with him.
He was a Kentucky guy because Patina was. There a
number of other guys that were big name guys. He

(01:08:16):
just sent him off. Yeah, he said, I'm Antoine Walker
to a number of those guys and and they were
the best players for the Celtics and he pretty much
got sort of scraps in return. And uh and we're like,
what the heck is gun? I asked. His son is like,
what is your dad thinking? Man, he's got rid of
like the best players and this, And he's like, you
know what, He's like, He's trying to find the right
combination of personalities that meshed together that buy into the

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you know, the to the system and to the culture
and blah blah blah blah. I'm like, oh, that's fascinating, lolahol.
He ends up acquiring Kevin Garnett, you know, Paul Paul Pierce,
I believe was already there. And then he gets Ray
Allen and they go on their run and you know,
they end up winning an NBA Championship of being contenders,
and I was like, dude, there's something to that. And
he's done it again. Not only has he matched the
players personalities. I mean, you you saw smarts reality action.

(01:09:00):
I forget who who took a shot it was, It
was j R. Reid who took shot in alf Horford.
I don't know if you saw that when when I
Horford went up for shot and JR. Reid just pushed
him in the back and all of a sudden smarts
going after Hi. Mean, those guys are connected, man, their
personalities connected for each other. We're done. That's my point

(01:09:21):
is then, also what he did is he took into
consideration because remember Brad Stevens was a coach he had
picked a couple of years ago. Talking about Danny Ainge,
he not only took in the personality fit with the players,
but he's like, what kind of of these kind of
players and I'm gonna go for and it's gonna be
the team first kind of guys, the you know, the
blue collar kind of guys that aren't afraid to do

(01:09:41):
the dirty work. I'm gonna go after those guys. And
then I'm gonna fit a coach in there that also
has the same kind of personality that he can then
direct them. And so that that to me, has been
what's been key for the Celtics in the in this
whole series has been Danny Aange mixing up this this
you could say, kind of cocktail of personalities that from
the coach down to the last guy in the bench

(01:10:02):
has just fitted masterfully together. And when all of a
sudden Kyrie and Hayward come back, I mean there as
long as again everything fits, I mean, that is gonna
be one scary team. Even if you're the Golden State Warriors,
you're gonna be taking notice. What's your next question there?
I'm just putting it out there because this was a
story this week and they actually put this out there.
How many NBA players would you take to start a

(01:10:24):
franchise ahead of Brad Stevens? In other words, if you
were to start a brand, well, like you said, see that,
here's the whole thing. So the idea is, James, you
are you have you're starting a brand new franchise, alright,
brand new franchise, and you can choose any individual you
got coaches, players about it. But according to a lot

(01:10:46):
of people, they do. They're like, no, forget Lebron and
the Lebron's are a diamond Dozen't you give me a
Brad Stevens And he's won zero but he took over
and how many franchise long did it take him to
turn that franchise around? Take him? Pretty quickly. You know,

(01:11:08):
he did a good job. He did a good job.
Isaiah was a good fit there. But I'm gonna say this,
Lebron James, Okay, well we're that the whole thing way
that you happen this year. We may have another discussion,
but again I'm not gonna go with Brad. I'm not
going Brad Stevens. I'm going Danny Ainge. Okay. If there's
anybody that deserves the credit of the Celtics success right now,
it's Age. He put the whole thing together. I don't know,

(01:11:29):
you know, he's a guy that doesn't want to go
and you know, blow his own horn and put himself
out there in the public's eye and be that such
a figure. And maybe that's why he's not getting the credit.
And you know, maybe he asked his guys, or is
just has his relationship or he doesn't expect any credits
and nobody's giving him any credit. But he's the one
to me that she should be getting all the credit
behind the Celtics. But I'll say this, Lebron turns teams
around quicker than anybody that I've ever seen or can remember,

(01:11:49):
and off sports, I mean, you know, history way better die.
Have you seen a guy that's jumped around teams like
Lebron has, where he's been drafted into the cavalier around
from team. Let's put it that way. Normally, when guys
you play, you play, you play in one franchise, you
never get rid of you. How about this? How about
when he returned to Cleveland and immediately they were all

(01:12:10):
of a sudden contenders from being what a twenty win
team or something the year before, even though that Kyrie there,
have you seen a guy go from one team to
another have that kind of impact that quickly you know
he's maintained. To me, there's no argument about the greatest
talent player wise in NBA history. I'm all in on Lebron. No,
I just but I just let me ask you this,

(01:12:31):
And in your years of football dating bag, high school, college,
professional football, how many games in which you were winning,
winning the game on the winning side as you were
walking off that field saying the difference in this game
was our coach that he would be difference in the
game as you walked off the field winning a game

(01:12:53):
that you said, the reason we won this game, the
number one reason when we won this game was the coach.
How many times that it's not I mean it's not
very often to where you look and you're like, wow,
he put us in the best scheme or wow, what man,
I don't know where he got that feeling to call
that play, Or we were in the perfect you know,
we had a perfect game plan. You know, it's usually

(01:13:15):
the reason we won, the only reason we won the
game because of our coach. I would never say that
because the problem is is the coach only can draw
up so many strategies, can only empower his players so much,
where now it's the players that have to go out
and either take that structure that he's trained into his
players and implement it, or allow them to go out
and basically fill it out and and sort of you know,

(01:13:37):
in the in the within the confines of that structure,
make their own choices. And so it's you can't say
that about a coach, to be really honest, and that's
because they don't actually go out and do it. Now,
if you had a guy like in Bill Russell situation
where he was both roles there, you may be able
to say, man, without him, we don't win this because
not only did he come up with the plan, and
create the culture in the system that we ended up

(01:13:58):
using to win. But he actually him out and was
the reason why we were able to execute it. I
would say in that situation, there's an absolute justification you
can make from claiming that. But if it's just a coach,
I don't. I don't see it unless it's just an
anomaly of a situation to where the coach is just
constantly putting you, you know, in positions that you otherwise
would have never put yourself in to win. And and

(01:14:20):
I've never been in that situation where absolutely throughout the
duration of the game it was like the coach was
controlling me, you know what I'm saying, Like I was.
I cannot remember being at this point of the NBA
playoffs where you get to the final four teams and
one of the team's biggest star the only person they're
talking about is the coach. I mean normally that's just
because it's it's the easiest thing to do, because everybody's

(01:14:42):
looking at it like, oh, they don't have Gordon Hayward,
they don't have Kyrie, this team should be terrible. And
then then then and then then the thing is the
easiest default. Uh, you know, response to that, because they're
good players like Tatum and Brown and the guys I
mentioned Rosier and and then you got the our horror
who I forgot to mention you don't think of them
as the superstar guys, you know, and these guys that

(01:15:04):
could go and turn a team like the Celtics without
a Kyrie, without a Gordon Hayward into all of a
sudden this championship contender. So your default easy answers, it's
got to be the couch, you know. So to me,
it's just laziness on our end, trying to take the
path of at least resistance, when in reality the players
that are currently playing are a lot better than people
who gave them credit for. And then also, like I
had mentioned before, that that that that sense of team,

(01:15:26):
in the meshing of all the personalities plays a huge
roll into it too. That it's tough to gage because
there's no real statistical output that's associated outside of wins
and losses with you know, how closely knitted the team
is together. The Las Vegas Golden Knights have been making
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(01:15:48):
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(01:16:21):
Brady Pepengua here on the Saturday and uh, we got
to talk about these Vegas Golden Nights. They are now
one win away from the Stanley Cup Final. Remember it's
the Stanley Cup Final and NBA Finals. Why did they
do that? Don't know it's the Stanley Cup Final versus
the finals. But anyway, so this is a first year

(01:16:43):
expansion team and this is wired to wire. Remember they
started their inaugural season three and oh eight and one.
I mean from the from the opening gun, they have
been a first place team and now they're one went
away from the Stanley Cup Final. This is a team
that did not exist twelve months ago. There there is

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no team. They had to start from scratch, and it's
just like any other franchise. They have an expansion draft.
Every team in the NHL is allowed to protect a
certain amount of players. They have a certain amount of
players that are left unprotected. In other words, you're getting
other teams leftovers and you're starting from scratch. Now. I
do know in the NFL we had the miraculous second

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seasons of the Carolina Panthers Jacksonville Jaguars both make it
into their respective conference championship games, but that was their
second year. I'm asking to right now, is it possible,
and just use the NFL as an example, would it
be possible for an expansion team. The last time we
had an expansion team was the Houston Texans and before

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that the Cleveland Browns back in could you see a
scenario where a first year expansion team could make it
all the way to the super Bowl in their first year? Yeah?
Oh yeah, I mean it's an anomaly of a situation
because you need first to find somehow, some way to
franchise quarterback. So I mean you can draft one. I mean,

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remember Cleveland had the number one. Both of those teams
had quarterbacks. Remember one was Tim Couch with Cleveland and
the Texans took David Carr. So those were there. You know,
first pick in the draft, they take a quarterback. But
again they're yeah, yeah, well you gotta hit it with
the quarterback first, and then yeah, you gotta get him

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some help around. But I mean, there, look, it is possible,
it's just not probable, you know what I mean. In hockey,
I don't know. I'm I'm not familiar with their being
this impact of one position. Well, let's talk about Flory.
Everyone's talking about Flory their goalie because he obviously had
been with Pittsburgh, they had won back to back Cups.
They were transitioning to a younger goalie, and they felt

(01:18:54):
like Flory's best days were being kind even game until
they left him unprotected. And of course, hey, you're in
A man will take a veteran goali, especially when it's got,
you know, championships on his resume. And he's been he's been.
I mean, he's not a finalist for the top goalie
in the league. He's been obviously a veteran presence. It
just seems like they took a lot of guys that

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seemingly weren't all that great, but the combination has worked
beautifully all season long. It's crazy, like I was talking
about earlier segment, Yeah, you get those personalities all of
a sudden line up too, So I mean, it's it's
really a challenge to pull that off. And it's unbelievable
when it happens. But there's a lot of things that
have to fall into place. The chemistry end of it

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has to be right. The getting the right players at
the critical positions. Like we talked about football, the quarterback,
you know, is the most critical position to have a
team that can do that and pull that run off.
And so I mean it's possible. I mean just because
you just never know how certain guys too. For example,
you get a bunch of guys that are unprotected. As
you're able to do your own draft of current players
on already existing teams. Sometimes you just need a new environment, Steve.

(01:19:58):
Sometimes you just need to different people scheme and I
love them because because I mean, if you're looking at
an expansion draft, right again, the NFL's had expansion drafts
and you see names you recognize, you know, veterans that
seemingly have very little gas left in the tank. I
I remember over the years, like baseball drafts and when

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the Mets started this is going back to nineteen sixty two,
they had two National League teams. They had the Mats.
They at Houston first they were called the Colt forty
Fires before they changed their name of the Astros. The
Mets decided to go with familiar names. They want with
guys you know, Gil Hot, you know they want these
players that you know, we're recognizable names, whereas Houston decided
to go, well, you know what, we're gonna go for
some younger players. What would your strategy be and putting

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together an expansion team. Are you looking for the immediate
impact some recognizable names that people might be interested in.
Are you're just gonna roll the dice that somehow you've
got an eye for talent that has yet to emerge. No,
I mean i'd be go I I would do the
draft of the same principle I do the college draft,
which is the best player available? Now, I understand you
gotta fill out your team, you know what I mean?

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But I would have first, you know, who's the best guy,
and I'm gonna take whoever I feel like he's the
best football player of them all. And then if there's
you know, tire, so i'd have the needs start to
break it. And then also you'd throw in the position
importance such as like for example, if I if if
you had as your first guy on your board and
running back, I would easily be able to kind of

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like take that score down a little bit, knowing and
I can get a good running back later on, so
let's drop him down and Okay, what are we left
with here? So it's still gonna be the best player
available and then other variables that will be the tie
breaker that sort of settles the board. And you just
got to be discimpline to that because it's very easy
to Yeah, also too, when you got veteran players to
rely on what they did in the past. We're in

(01:21:47):
the guy called Fox Sports Radio Studios. We're gonna tell
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we get instead of in a run and all of
a sudden there's a shiny new toy. We get a
little fascinated. We're gonna have a shiny new toy coming

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up right after the Super Bowl with the launching of
the Alliance of American Football, the brand new league, and
it's beginning to take shape right now. So already again,
they're projected to have eight franchises. Five are in the books,
and we already know who the coaches are gonna be,
and it's a who's who have coaches? We certainly know

(01:22:51):
the names. So the Orlando team is going to be
coached by Steve Spurrier. Rick new Heisu was just introduced.
He'll coach the Phoenix team. Dennis air Exit we'll be
coaching the team in Salt Lake City, Mike Singletary will
coach the Memphis team, and Brad Children's will coach a
team in Atlanti. So three more franchises to go. Hey,
by the way, this little side note there, Salt Lake

(01:23:13):
City Alliance of American Football. How do you think that's
gonna play out? I mean, there's a lot of fans
in Salt Lake City. I'm gonna tell you, right now,
and I mean they're all gonna become Raider fans too.
That because Vegas is relatively close, about a good five
hour drive from Salt Lake City, but there's a lot
of football fans there. It's very underrated when you talk

(01:23:34):
about even the quality of town that you get from
the high schools in the Salt Lake area. They're all
over the country and they're pretty dark, good players too,
so it's gonna have quite the following if they could
get the right guy. He is. You gotta get guys
that can connect with the community. And I would say
you gotta get guys that if you get Colin Kaepernick stars.
How's Colin Kaepernick gonna play in Salt Lake City? Oh,
I mean he'll be fine. I mean that's not a

(01:23:55):
big issue. He's still gonna receive, you know, the same
kind of treatment as if he was anywhere else, which
people will heckle in for having protested the you know,
the national anthem, for having basically put his career in
jeopardy and he knew he was doing that, you know,
which I find it to be a hard kind of
the collusion thing because he knows that's the culture of
the NFL. I mean, anyway, have you seen the of

(01:24:17):
the NFL that've had depositions about the collusion case. I
means everybody. I mean from Jerry Jones, they just called him,
Bob Kraft, John Elway was there, Pete Carroll. I mean,
it's like, who's who the NFL. I don't want to
get sidetrack, all right, So they are well on their way,
this Alliance of American Football. Of course again they're trying
to launch in February UM to get their league together. Man.

(01:24:38):
Meanwhile there's the XFL. So the remember it was the
XFL was the first that had this idea of the
spring league. And this was Vince mc man and he
came out saying, this will not be what we saw
before with the original XFL, and and he basically laid
down the guidelines which immediately this Alliance of American Football
basically stole everything that the XFL said. And so when

(01:25:01):
I when I go to connection, there's a connection with
the original XFL like the well, the son or something
of Vick, Vince Vigan's partner, the first one. Yeah, all right,
so so ever saw this McMahon were the ones that
team together to create the original XFL, which was carried
on NBC and and then they did this special that

(01:25:24):
you saw it. It It was one of those I don't know,
thirty and thirty whatever it was where they had the
two of them looking back, you know, years later on
the old XFL saying hey, you know, we might try
that again, and it was sort of like, oh, you know,
and then all of a sudden, make Men makes this
big announcement that he is going to do it again,
and then Dick Ebersol said what was his son, but
basically Dick Ebersols behind it, saying, yeah, that's a really
good idea, but you made a mistake. You said you're

(01:25:45):
gonna launch in twenty because you wanted more time to
put your teams together. We're gonna launch it in nineteen.
So the problem for the XFL is twofold UM. If
if this new league, if the Alliance of American Football
UM does not catch on, if the if this spring
idea just doesn't get any traction at all. How then

(01:26:06):
if you're the XFL, basically the same league starting up
sell the idea that well, we'll make it, and even
though they didn't make it, I mean, that really would
sort of kill off the idea. Even before he got started.
That's why I was teasing, and the fact that the
launch of one new league could kill off another league
before it even gets started. But even if the Alliance
of American but you're saying from the premise, but you're

(01:26:29):
saying from the premise that it fails, right, you're not right.
In other words, the Alliance of American Football turns out
to be a dud. No one's interested, no one's watching,
no one shows up. And now you're the XFL saying, well,
we have a different name, but essentially we have the
same idea and and different too. They have they been
backing with Vincimate Man and the different You're saying, yeah,

(01:26:52):
but he doesn't want to do that stuff. He doesn't
want to do I mean, at least now he doesn't
want to do that. He might reconsider if I have
some more infrastruct so that you can deal with in
terms of promoting your league. And then you know, then
the American what's it called again, it's not. But I'm
gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you what I think, Stevie.

(01:27:12):
This is a This is not I shouldn't say conspiracy,
but I think it's both that they're not on different pages.
I believe this is they're following the model of the NFL.
They're looking at it like, hey, we're gonna have one
league that we're gonna start early, get everybody sorter on
that bandwagon. Then we're gonna have this other league gonna
come that's gonna compete, and then we're gonna have a

(01:27:34):
championship between these two league. You know what I'm saying.
It's sort of like the same evolution of the NFL
as we have it today, where this is day there
was the a f L and the NFL, and all
of a sudden, like, well, who's the best of these
two leagues. Let's haven't played the game in the Super Bowl,
and all of a sudden, you've got the f C
NFCC and it becomes the NFL overall. I wouldn't doubt
if that's the same kind of model they're trying to follow.
Is create to to kind of competingly and come off,

(01:27:54):
it's mcmanon's the ultimate act. How can I say this
compete conspue you're sase with competition. I mean, that's what
basically wrestling is. And so I went doubt if they've
gotten together they're like, hey, man, we're gonna do it
this way. You're gonna come out with the league. You're
gonna do this. It's gonna be more of like a
button up, white collar league where you know, you're gonna do,
you know, do things more by the books. And we're

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gonna have the XFL, which is still gonna be a
button up, white you know, button up kind of deal,
but it's gonna be more uh you know, relative to uh,
the we're wrestling to where it's you know, you just
don't know what's gonna happen. It's unpredictable, and so you're
gonna have these kind of two rivalry rivalry kind of
leagues that eventually it's gonna be this build up to
who's the best of these two leagues and they'll have

(01:28:36):
a championship game and maybe become one league, you know
after that. I see that. Of course, we thought that
of satellite radio, and that didn't exactly work out, all right,
So um, okay, so let's give what about satellite radio. Well,
I mean, we've always had these competitions, you know, and
the idea that hey, everyone always goes back to the

(01:28:57):
model the NFL versus the A f L. You know,
the a FL actually provided a viable competition to the
National Football League and then the league's merged. Um and
I agree with you this. Maybe maybe it is a
plan that, hey, we'll let that league start first, the
Alliance of American Football, and then he'll have a little
bit of success. Again, it's got a lot of backing

(01:29:17):
obviously from the National Football League, and then the XFL
comes along, and if they're both successful, we actually get
viable spring football. By the way, we're still awaiting the
announcement of a Southern California team. Now, you remember, originally
Rick Neuheisel it was announced was going to be the
coach of the so Cal team. There's only three franchises left,
so we have no idea where they're going with this.

(01:29:37):
But now the rumor is that the coach of the
so Cal team wherever that might be, and it's not
necessarily in Sandy, it could be in it could be
an l A, could be San Diego. Uh, they want
to they want to bring in Mike Martz. Mike Martz,
Mike Martz a guy or something. I don't know. Well, well,

(01:30:00):
New Ice, of course grew up in Arizona. I guess
that was the connection there before he went to u C.
L A. So he had sometimes to Arizona. Uh. Mike
Martz was the coach of the Rams Rams who exist
in l A. Maybe sure, but it was the St. Louis.
Did you ever think of Mike Martz is a offensive genius?
Um No. I hated his offenses because they're still predictable

(01:30:21):
and dumb, and he had a lot of like window
dressing them and he was the genius behind the greatest showing.
He was for a second. He was for a second,
but then you have a guy like Kirk Warner wanting it.
I mean he Kurt Warner proved something. He proved when
he he could be dominant in that offense. He could
be dominant West Coast offense, you know, and Ken wizzen
Hunts offense. He could be dominant. It wasn't a function

(01:30:41):
of the scheme. One thing he did that confused people
Mike Martz is he would do this shifting and like
he he lined up in one wacky formation, get you
to line up as a defense and make all your checks,
and then he'd shift to another formation to make you
have to redo all of your checks and think all
these thoughts and go through this whole process and now
you play, you know. But he became so predictable that

(01:31:01):
the NFL figured him out pretty quickly. And it was
I mean I played against a ton of times to
play against that offense when it was up with the
Detroit Lions, when he had it in full force, it
was terrible. It was easy to stop. It was it
was as Obviously, the Alliance of American Football is major
ties of the National Football League. If if they're looking
at it as a developmental league, there's a there's a

(01:31:23):
big difference between the developmental league and what we call
a competitive league because if you're essentially you are a
developmental league, then what they're gonna want from these leagues
is to give an idea of certain players. We we said,
this works out beautifully for the NFL because you can't
you don't know all the town you know, you go
through the draft, you go through free agency. Still hundreds

(01:31:43):
and hundreds of football players that at some point of
their career collegiately, high school, wherever, showed they had a
certain amount of talent, but maybe they just fly a
little bit under the radar. If I'm the NFL man
I'd love to see some of these guys out in
the field where we might find somebody like we missed
that guy. He's got he's got talent, and we know
that will happen. So but if they don't want to

(01:32:04):
write you, think about that. They don't have to even
put up any money for that. And it's an extra
resource that they need because they don't. People think that
the NFL they gotta all figure it out. I mean,
look at the drafts, guys. I mean it's very rare
that a team will hit higher thet on how many
guys that bring into So, yeah, there's still a lot
of room to be improved when you talk about evaluating

(01:32:25):
and ultimately qualifying if players will fit or not. And
this is an added resource to that. All right, I
am going to take you in an entirely different direction
right for this, We're in the guy Go Fox Sports
Radio Studios. I'm gonna say this because there seems to
be a big controversy in what's in a name. We'll

(01:32:45):
explain coming up next. Steve Harmon, Super Bowl champion Brady Pappa. Hey,
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want to take in a little different direction. This is
a some day. It was a big subject during the

(01:33:06):
week for me. Uh. It had to do with San
Diego State University once again being challenged on their Aztec moniker.
This has become an annual event for about twenty years
where opponents think that the Aztecs monikers should be expelled forever,
that in some way they're disrespectful of the Aztec Empire,

(01:33:28):
which existed of course back really ceased to exist in
the sixteenth century UM. And if you don't know the
evolution of Mexico, that's basically the Aztecs prevail for about
uh to what was it, about two hundred years and UM,
and then all of a sudden, the Spanish took over

(01:33:49):
and Mexico is no different than the United States. The
melt team pot obviously they're Europeans. I mean, there's a
lot of people migrated in Mexico over many centuries, so
and it's hard to find out your clinias. You know,
people say, well, I'm pure Aztec. Well prove it. I mean,
you know, none of us are pure anything after all
these many many centuries. Um so anyway, but it was

(01:34:11):
sort of brought up that because they challenge us every year. Uh.
In fact, they actually did this yearnity for this. So
they have the Aztec Warrior. I don't know if you've
ever well you know remember because so that Aztec Warrior
will no longer be classified as a mascot. The the
Aztec Warrior will remain as a spirit leader. Now one

(01:34:32):
of the things this Aztec Warrior does this is a
man is that like when they scored the push ups gone,
no more push ups, uh, no more interacting with the cheerleaders.
They say it's disrespectful. But now there is a wave
of people that are trying to totally redo the whole

(01:34:54):
idea of mascots, uh for not just professional teams, but
collegiate teams as well. And here's the criteria moving forward
that they would like to see no mascot that is
human and no mascot that is an animal. So in
other words, the Utah Jazz that's cool, Orlando Magic that's cool,

(01:35:21):
Los Angeles Lakers that's okay. But what's out b y
u cougars out Um. You know it's well here, here's
one Golden Snake warriors out Um. Well, I mean there
there everybody like the Dallas Cowburys are gone, Cowboys gone,
Redskins got all this kind of stuff and it goes

(01:35:43):
beyond the risk. I'll get to that in a moment here. Um.
But again, this is this is a new way they're
saying because in some way, somehow, whether it's an animal
or it's a human, putting them in a position of
a man Scott is somehow a derogatory term for either

(01:36:04):
an animal or for a human being. It's the opposite.
It's the Actually, it's like you're celebrating that very thing.
I mean when you go in and and whatever your
name and your team is, that's everybody chance and they
chanted with the greatest amount of respect, and they go
in there and they and they they they celebrate around it,
they get excited about it. I mean, it's to me,
it's this whole thing is the same thing with the Redskins.

(01:36:26):
And my my whole argument is this if you said,
because to me, it's all about respect and what it
is that surrounds that word, because we we has I
mean I'm a language guy because I know two languages,
and I understand that languages evolve. Okay, what that means
is is a word that may not that meant one
thing fifty years ago, could mean something completely different today
in terms of the context. Well, and I'm glad, well

(01:36:50):
hold on to that, hold on, hold on. And so
what I my my always stands on this has been
is this. If I sat down with any uh college
of the ball prospect going to the NFL, and I said,
how would you like to be known as a redskin?
A Washington redskin? Right? You know what they would do?
They jump out of their seats and say, absolutely, that

(01:37:12):
would be one of the greatest honors for me as
a football player, because it's an acknowledgement that I'm in
the highest level. I'm playing for a wonderful organization. I'm
representing a wonderful uh you know fan base that's very
committed to the game. I mean, it's you just go
down and it's all positive. It's all this utmost respect.
So when so the context is utmost respect, and if

(01:37:32):
that's how it's being used, I don't see if there's
anything wrong with it. And and the whole point is
you know what the whole point of behind this is
is to create a situation to where you aren't disrespecting
the Redskins, the Aztecs, the cowboys from the other side. Okay,
I'm explaining from the outside. All right, here's here's the
other side of it. All right, I understand what you're saying,

(01:37:53):
and I'm on your side. All right, So we're in
a court of but let me let me give you
the other side of this. I'll tell you as a
big guy, and this is Mark Willard. All right, Well
there's a big guy this all right, because we got
into it during the week. Big on the other side,
right because but but his point is, this is the
fact that if you even if it's a small minority

(01:38:13):
of people. Let's let's go back to the Redskins, all right,
so we all look at that redskin name like it's
it's it's really offensive. And yet two years ago, just
two years ago, the Washington Post, okay, they did yet
another poll of Native Americans across the country. They do
this every four or five years, and they always get
the sense like, all right, you may not have understood

(01:38:33):
the question before. Well let's ask you again. Are you
offended by the Redskins nickname. And the poll results are
consistent every single time, nine percent ninety not fifty percent,
not sixty nine percent say they are not offended. And
of course they're like, well why aren't you if you
should be offended, they're not there, And they said, well
why not, because because we have other things to worry about.

(01:38:56):
We're not worried about the nickname of the team. All right,
So the question is this if if if you're in
a room, And I mentioned this example the other day,
I went to dinner, uh with my my ex wife,
aunt and uncle. All right, So they're in their sixties
seventies and they're in the seventies right now, and they
wanted to take us all out to dinner, and they

(01:39:16):
made reservations at a place in Hollywood, not understanding that
this was really not a restaurant although they served food.
It was more like a millennial bar and otherways. You
got a bunch of money somethings, and and so we're there.
We had like twelve people at this table. It was
funny too because my oldest son, Drake, he had been

(01:39:36):
to this place, so he knew this place. He's like anyway,
So we're sitting there. You got these two seven year olds.
I'm there and I got my kids there, and this
the whole scene is weird. And we're like sitting and
I'll try you to have dinner, right, so, and but
the music is louding all these millennials and they're doing
their thing. I mean, it's it's one of those places
in Hollywood, alright, So a lot of twenty somethings, you know,

(01:39:58):
pairing up. Understandable. Okay. So at one point though the
aunt she you know, very nicely, one of the person
that was serving us said, is there any way you
could turn down the music? I mean, you just turn
the music down, and the look on the face of
the person's looking her like look exactly right. And so

(01:40:21):
but this gets back to the whole idea of where
do we draw the line as far as all right,
what what percentage of people is necessarily to be offended,
where we need to make a change. Even one person
finds it offensive? Is that enough to make a change.
And by the way, that would lead to this idea

(01:40:43):
again that if you eliminated all mascots that were related
to either humans or animals, then you don't have to
worry about offending anybody, and no one's going to be
offended by the or magic that way. You're not worried
about offending anybody. It's absolutely false because okay, so you're
basically saying the other side of the argument is if
you're offending one person, then it's enough to justify making

(01:41:04):
a change. Well, guess what, I'm that one person that
would be offended if you made the change. I would
be extremely offended. If you could, you couldn't call it
the b y Cougars the b y cougars anymore. Well, okay,
now that just triggered your example of why you should
make a change. So now where we're going, You're never
gonna make an everybody happy. That never exists because the
very people that you're trying to appease to, yeah, you

(01:41:26):
may make them happy, but the very people that didn't
care or are on the other side of are gonna
be upsts and you're you're in the same spot. I mean,
if you did, like, for example, the Redskins, if you're like,
well tempercent doesn't want them to have that name, we're
gonna we're gonna go with them. Well, you've just ticked
off the other ninety percent. You just defended them. So
I guess you're a philosophy and that particular justification just
went out the window, you know what I'm saying, Like

(01:41:46):
you're living in a fantasy. Stanford never happened. Stanford went
from the Stanford Indians to the Stanford Cardinal. Not the Cardinal,
the Cardinal the color and their mascot is a tree.
They got the you know, the running around in a
tree outfit. All right. So that's that's about as benign
as he gets, right, I mean, doesn't really matter. I mean,

(01:42:07):
I even heard our buddy from Salam who was a
San Diego State grad I know, and the many times
I work with from has always said he's a proud
Aztect But when he was asked about it, well, I'm
I'm always gonna be proud of my my lineage at
San Diego State University. But if they were suddenly called
a different thing than the aspects, that'd be fine to me.
That doesn't that doesn't take back from my allegiance. But

(01:42:27):
there were other people, big money people that said, if
you ever stripped the Aztec name from Sandy Use State,
you will not see another penny from me, Okay, so
how tired are you to the coupe? I mean, if
why you change their name to something else. They're caved into,
you know, people saying, well, you're being abusive to you

(01:42:47):
this this animal by calling him the cougars, and they
went to some benign name, whatever it is. I mean,
I'd be offended, but him not that petty to where
I would like, stop supporting the school. You know what
I'm saying, are supporting the car. I'm not that petty.
It's not like it's a game changer, but it's it's
the fact that it's like, why are you, like, again,
why are you appeasing to the small minority of people

(01:43:09):
that are offended when the majority that want the name,
We're gonna be equally as offended when you change the name,
and I'll still be offended. And I'm not gonna be
offended when I'm not gonna support it. But it's still
offensive because to me, it's all about the context. And
so basically what you're dealing with, you're dealing with people
with different perspectives of different you know, approaches to things,
and either way you're gonna offend somebody. That's my whole point,
and to justify the change. Well, we gotta. If we're

(01:43:32):
infending one person, that means we're gonna change. That doesn't
make any sense because as soon as you make it change,
you're gonnafend everybody else. So I mean, I I believe
you stay the course on this as long as you're
celebrating these mascots, which in every case they are. I've
never seen a mascot disrespected, bood, look down upon, debased.
As a matter of fact, it's the opposite. It's almost
like it's celebrated. I mean, I was the Evanston red Devils.

(01:43:55):
I was the devil in high school. The devil people
talk about all the time. Devils, I mean, you know,
and then yourself. How many people are I mean there
are stories like where people would walk into our gym
at night and they'd see the big devil like painting
on the wall. Look at Nick over here. Take that
angel's cap off. What's that angel's all about? Right? Very religious? Yeah,

(01:44:17):
that's so religious? Right now, I'm telling some people talk
about the pot Raise. That's you can't do a name
like the pot Raise. I mean, so well, again, you're
you're as you know, if you refer to them as
the fire sense offensive to Catholics. That's what I've been told.
The thing is is the thing is again, you can't.
You can never win the battle of we can't offend

(01:44:39):
any can't and you And by the way, speaking of
I I got a staff. Are you talking about how
you'll never get a percent of people agree on something?
We're in the guy called Fox Sports Radio Studios. One
thing we do agree on, David Gascon is always ready
one't call the boom. And I'm always offended over something?
Are you one of those people? I'm not a way.

(01:45:01):
That's like me being offended by seeing like certain women
dress up on Halloween as like a nurse, or like
as a teacher, or like as a fairy or something
like that. Wait, wait, wait, saying, how do how do
we get to that? Well? Come on, what do you mean?
So you're talking about like animals mascots? Do you like
the nurse House? Of course I do. What the hell's
wrong with you? Steve? We we we were all but

(01:45:23):
at San Diego at different times of our lives. So
we're in southern California, man, you know that. I mean,
they do it right here. So taking in a different direction,
I like it. You gotta do it on your show.
You know you're young, You're a young sixty. Yeah, I'm
not sixty yet almost, I've got less than two months away.
I'm fifty. Not hanging on. Well, you can't tell if

(01:45:43):
that that makes you feel any better. I got some
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(01:46:26):
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(01:46:47):
the idea of trying to please everybody is impossible. I
saw a poll that was done last month and it
was a pole of millennials ages eighteen to twenty four.
You're so funny, man, You just love those millennials old
that you know, you know when you when you get older,

(01:47:08):
that you know you're out of touch. Alright. I'm like, okay, well,
what what's And I got millennials. You know, I got
a son that will be twenty two. I have a
son that's gonna be twenty. I have a seventeen year
old daughter. So I've got millennials. I mean, I'm I'm
watching it right, Okay. So, but they did a poll
and apparently there are thousands of people or people again
at ages eighteen to twenty four, and they were asked

(01:47:32):
whether or not the Earth is round or flat, and
sixties six percent said the world is round, which means
that thirty three percent of them said the world is flat. Okay,
Now this is millennials eighteen to twenty, so this is
not like, you know, one percent or thirty three percent

(01:47:55):
of millennials Pole insist that the world is fly at Okay.
So I don't know where to go with that one.
I mean, I don't know. I mean, get on a plane.
You gotta get You're not gonna just fly off into space,
you know what I mean, You're going around and around
there to keep well. There are a lot of people
that believe that all of our space missions have been

(01:48:17):
We've never been. We've never been. Yeah, so the photos
of Earth from space don't even exist. To right, that exists.
Everything was staying okay, just making you know, it's just
like you still have more than tempers out of the
population that thinks that Elvis physically is still alive. Okay,
Yeah that in Tupac. So I guess Tupac still alive,

(01:48:39):
Elvis is okay, Okay. I'm seeing where we're going with
it of trying to appease people, you know, because you get,
you know, a group of people, even if it's a
small minority that insists that. You know, I am offended
by this, and because I'm offended, I don't care what
anybody else. We needn't make it change change My My
answer to that would be, well, who ultimately is going

(01:49:01):
to make that decision? Then who who? Somebody has to
make the final call. So wh what would qualify you
above all else to make that final call? Whether the
world is round or flat, whether Elvis is alive or dead,
or whether or not the Aztec name or another name?
How about the fighting Irish and Notre Dame and that leopard?

(01:49:21):
Con get rid of that? There are you kidding me?
Talk about offensive? Right? That's offensive? And yeah, exactly, I mean,
I don't know, it's It's one of those things to
where I look at these millennials, and you know, when
it comes down to I look at it, Well, there's
two factors here. And the history of the United States,
we've never had pot legalized, and that is legalized in
all sorts of places, and I believe the millennials are

(01:49:42):
taking advantage of that when they when they go to
the polls. Second thing is is their contrariance. Most of
the millennials, you're gonna find they're gonna want to oppose
anything that we've accepted as an absolute fact. I'm talking
like humanity as we and that's what I mean by that.
And they're gonna want to challenge that and challenge it
just out of the sake of challenging it. That's sort
of the mind end of the millennial. And so when
they do these poles, half of it is people are high.

(01:50:04):
The other half is they just wanted to be contrarians.
And so I don't think the poles, just like the
presidential polls, are very reflective of what really millennials think
and believe, because come on, they just I mean, you
can't argue the fact that the world is flat around
you just it's well, how about it. At another of
people think that the sun revolves around the Earth and

(01:50:27):
not the other way around, because you have to actually yeah,
I mean that's okay, you gotta go out and to
actually verify that. I could I could buy that. I mean,
if you don't trust science, I can see where. Yeah,
the the sun rotates around us. I mean it seems
that way when I'm here. You know, sun comes up
on the east and goes down to the west. It's
coming around me. Yeah, I could. Yeah, with my my
injured measuring instruments of just you know, being able to

(01:50:50):
sense light. I could see where that's viable. No question
being the Earth flat. I mean that means that there's
think about it, Steve, think about the ramifications. If the
Earth is flat, and that means that there's some drop
off points here on the on the exteriors here, you
know what I'm saying, on the hedges, there is something
that you suddenly you have doubts about. I'm just telling you.
I'm just telling you that's what. It just breaks all logic.

(01:51:10):
There's never been a plane that's gone off, for a
boat that's gone off one of those dives that these
supposedly flat Earth believers think exists. So I'm just telling
you that it's been proven over and over again it's
absolutely false. Well, they have to believe in gravity, right,
they do believe in gravity. I mean, I I don't know.
I mean, it just seems so weird, alright. One thing,
one thing I do believe is as Lebron goes, so
goes the NBA. Um. Let's get back to the thank

(01:51:36):
you because I want to get back Kyrie was the
guy who believes in the flat You know the Earth
being flat, you can totally go that direction and still
keep it connected with the flat Earth. What if? What if?
We are mentioned earlier about potential destinations, so Lebron James
even talked about potential sign and trade with the Golden
State Warriors. Have you missed that? By the way, we're

(01:51:56):
not creating this. This is out there because it had
to be figured. What could they actually pull it off?
Where they would trade and there is another one, another team?
You know what you're thinking a team, you do it,
you go with it. I want you to go with
this conspiracy theory right now, Dooston, because we're on the
same page. We're thinking the same Lebron is going to

(01:52:17):
the Boston Celtics. I think about this. If you're Tyree Irving,
you know, like wait a second here, and they're like
you wanted to get away from that guy exactly. I
mean if you're the if you are Lebron and you're
losing to this team, the Celtics, and you're like, wow,
you got a good young coach, right, you seem to

(01:52:40):
have a solid base. You talk about stability in the
front office of Danny Age. I'm looking for stability. But
if I'm Lebron James. Where my final destination is. I
need a place that is both stable and is you know,
obviously the trajectory is going up, not doubt. Okay, championship.
What better destination for him than the Boston Celtics. It'd

(01:53:02):
be ideal, it really would. And you're in the end,
You're in the avoid the Warriors until the finals. You
stay in the East. You're in the East the whole career. Cleveland, Miami, Cleveland.
He's an East guy, but he already has experienced playing
with you know, Kyrie, you got an upgrade instead of
j R. Smith, You're gonna have Gordon Hayward. You have
a bunch of dudes that he's wanted to play with.

(01:53:23):
Are those kind of like you know they call him
at the versatile defender guys to where they can go
and defend a number of different positions. Al Horford is
one of those guys, Smarts, one of those guys. You
got the up and comer and Tatum and Brown. I mean,
you'd have the like a stacked team and it would
be on all spectrums. You'd have the kind of in
the prime guys like the Kyrie's and the Gordon Haywards
and Gordon Hayward's gonna be just fine. Look at look

(01:53:44):
at the old Paul George. And then you got they
had the same injury just so everybody else and Paul George,
and then you got the young bucks that would be
like you know, Brown and I don't know if Rozier
would even be in that category, but Brown and Tato
would be their young bucks. And then you'd have this
savvy vet on a great all time I'm guys and
Lebron James that just add everything up to where you
got all spectrums covered. It'd be unbelievable. I mean really,

(01:54:06):
I mean again, if you are Lebron James and you
say are whatever choice I make, this is it. This
is my last destination. Two things I want. I want
a stable organization that knows what the hell are doing.
And I want to see enough talent that I can
win a championship. I mean, this is all about is
there enough talent here to win a championship? And now

(01:54:29):
he's getting a firsthand view of a Celtic team. Why
are they so good? Because they get contributions from just
about everybody on this roster. They play defense. He has
a firsthand knowledge of that. Um, they just do the things.
I mean, if I'm Lebron James, forget the Lakers, forget
the Rockets, sixers team, this is the team that I

(01:54:53):
want to be a part of. Yeah, yeah, Well the
Lakers are tough for this reason, Steve, and it's because
to me, the chance be Chip is going to in
terms of the odds of winning it is going to
determine his decision because he wants that one thing that
nobody else has in the history of the NBA, and
that is winning three championships with three different teams, and
that sort of galvanizes his legacy. He puts him in

(01:55:15):
the argument, you know, was he the best player ever?
That's what he's going for in this last move. Now,
if it's Cleveland, if he believes it's Cleveland, he's gonna
stay there. But it comes down to the fact that
does he believe he's gonna win a championship and is
very likely and that's gonna be what sways him. That
is incredible. All right, So a lot of different interesting
stories right there. We're in the guys a Fox Sports
Radio studios. How will this work in weekend play out?

(01:55:37):
We're gonna tell you coming up next. This is you
need when you need them. Rangers got your back, help
keep your facility running. Granger there, We're for the ones
that get it done. I want to thank the crew today.
One thing about Nick Um, he usually Dawn's an attire
of a team. He favors when they're playing in their worst. Uh.

(01:56:01):
The Angels right now have a four game losing streak going.
They've actually dropped into third place there actually behind the
Mariners all of a sudden. Um. The good news is
Mike Trout longest hitless streak of his career. He was
over twenty one. Hit a home run last night to
break the streak. Um. But at least you you're not
bandwagoning Nick. I mean, I mean many times I look

(01:56:23):
up and when I see what you're wearing, it reminds
me that they're not playing well. Yeah, it's Steven of course,
has a year after year with the Chargers. I mean
pretty much. By the way, did you hear did you
hear this? Colin Coward? It's a segment down the road.
Colin put out the top ten current rosters in the

(01:56:45):
National Football League, Brady. He had the Eagles at number
one and the Chargers at number two, He says the
Chargers have a better roster than the Rams. Now say, man,
well he's no. No, I always said he thinks they're
the team to beat in the a f C West.

(01:57:07):
Can you honestly put the Rams roster and the Chargers
roster side by side and say the Chargers have a
better roster than the Rams? No? Not on paper? Well
that means just like I'll give it. I'll give an example,
like offensive line wise, is the Sandy or the Chris
Los Angeles Chargers offensive line better than the Los Angeles Rams? No?

(01:57:29):
I mean that you're you already got the old witsworth
right there. Whitworth it just that he already breaks that,
I mean, and then you can keep going to the
land line with Saffold and others. I mean, how about
the defensive line with Dominan Sue and Aaron Donald Because
with Joey both in Melvin Ingram that's a push, yeah,
because both bab just cancel herself out. Are you saying
that Aaron Donald and a push? I mean, if you

(01:57:53):
were just started, who would you rather have? Aaron Donald
or Joey Bard? Aaron Donald, You're intior guys are the
most important guy, because you can't as a quarterback step
up in your your visions. Last year gave up four
point nine yards a carry for the entire season. They
couldn't stop the run for the life of them, right,
and they didn't do anything in the off season actually upgrade.
All right. I want to thank David Gascon as well. David,

(01:58:16):
thank you so much as usual. On top of things,
and of course Robert, Robert told me a great story.
That is this Dad um has actually listened to me
since the beginning of time and is a big fan
of this show. Have been a fan of Robert. I
appreciate your hair. He is jealous of you, does your

(01:58:36):
dad is he? He has hair, but nothing appared to
what you have Like that, Steve, what's your secret? Man?
Do you you put a special conditioner in there or
something like that? I mean to make it shine all
the time. I'm not exactly. I don't do anything, have
some special technique other than the comb over, you know.
It just it just it's that part. I've always had
a part in my hair. Yeah, I mean I could party.

(01:58:58):
We I actually lost a that one time where the
payoff was to part it the other way. That was
not easy. I mean, first of all, everything was just
backwards when I mean I had it, but I did.
I did create the part the other way, and it
was funny because one guy that it actually looked well,

(01:59:21):
my dad did that, and I can do that. But
you can't. I could. I guess it would I would.
I would have to get a different haircut, you know,
just going with it. Would you slick back? Oh yeah,
I could do that. It just you have to get
your hair cut a certain way to do that. Though.
I mean, do you think edge, but I don't. I'm
not looking for edgy. I'm looking the basis. What I'm

(01:59:45):
trying to do is maintain the same look look since
I've been five years old, okay, and so as everyone
wear the same clothes every day. You know, man, I'm like,
you know your rights. You can that you give that
same such docile, nice smile with a nice little part
on on on which side of your head, and then

(02:00:06):
I mean its like a photo that you probably took it.
Yeah I haven't. I have I have a dimple on
my left cheek, so I have the one dimple. Some
people are double. I have one. So I got away
with murders a kid. I always I was one of
those kids, you know, I get them to get away
with murders. You know, so that was your life skull
hunt when you were five. You're like, you know what
I want to I want to I want to somehow

(02:00:28):
save my Look this look right here, elementary photo. Right. Well,
now it's becoming a session, you know now. You know,
especially with my now seventeen year old daughter, she's like,
you never change. I meant you just look the same now,
Like she has pictures when she was a little baby,
and it's like, you don't look try to maintain that,

(02:00:49):
all right? Uh? Is this are the NBA Conference Final?
Is gonna look the same when we're back here next weekend?
In other words, are we gonna get Golden State and
the all takes to close it out? Are we still
gonna be talking about these conference finals a week from now?
What's your prediction? My gut is that it's gonna These
are gonna go to the six seven games each series,

(02:01:11):
is my gut. Celtics, I mean you're facing Lebron. I
mean that that doesn't you know right there? Should They're
gonna come back and they're gonna make this act of
a competitive series and with the Golden State Warriors. They're
very inconsistent. They have a very difficult time right now
handling success. They go play their best game of the
season and they turn around the next game and just
completely lay an egg. So and I believe that's going

(02:01:33):
to be their battle throughout the rest of the season.
It's not for a second here because I just want
to get the schedule. So if we're next Saturday is
scheduled Game six of the Western Conference Finals Golden State Houston.
I believe they will definitely be a game six. Do
you think it will be game six? Alright? Um? Game
six for the Cleveland Boston series would be on Friday.

(02:01:55):
So is that series gonna have a Game seven coming
up Sunday? Wow? I I believe I could see that
going seven, because I was gonna take is one dominant
win by the Cavaliers, a sort of shift the momentum
of that series, just to send just to send a message,
you know, Lebron saying, look, we're still the team to
beat so and and and it's and it happens at home.

(02:02:15):
So I mean, yeah, that's gonna be interesting. And then
the inconsistencies of Golden State, where they just can't put
two back to back solid performances together, and Houston is
good enough to where they can get him on that.
I believe that's gonna go to distance too. I tend
to agree with you, but I I keep getting back
to this whole Lebron scenario here. The more you think
about it, the more the Celtics makes sense for the future.

(02:02:39):
Right I'm with you, and we're gonna call it right now.
Lebron will be a Celtic

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